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| 00:18.44 | Lateralus | Why would linking against libxml2 link against /scratchbox/devkits/doctools/lib/libxml2.so instead of /scratchbox/users/maemo/targets/CHINOOK_ARMEL/usr/lib/libxml2.so? There is a libxml-2.0.pc file in place that looks good. |
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| 00:32.10 | Lateralus | When I try to build I receive "/scratchbox/devkits/doctools/lib/libxml2.so: could not read symbols: File in wrong format" |
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| 01:50.18 | zerojay | You know, a lot of people say that the camera on the N800 is shit and therefore is useless. |
| 01:50.32 | zerojay | http://www.flickr.com/photos/15969266%40N04/1752044713/in/datetaken/ - I disagree. |
| 01:51.15 | disq | that could be a nokia trick :P |
| 01:52.56 | zerojay | lol. |
| 01:53.12 | disq | to get us all buy the inferior n800 or the worse n810 |
| 01:54.15 | GeneralAntilles | COME OUT FROM UNDER THE COVERS! |
| 01:54.20 | zerojay | lol |
| 01:54.30 | zerojay | What's so bad about the N810? |
| 01:54.33 | disq | rofl |
| 01:55.09 | zerojay | The only thing that really annoys me is having just one slot, but I only have two 2GB cards in my N800 anyways. |
| 01:55.45 | zerojay | I'll probably erase the maps from the internal.. if possible. |
| 01:55.59 | disq | seriously? well. cam quality could be better (think iSight) and we could have a jogdial at one side |
| 01:56.21 | zerojay | I think the cam on the N810 is better than the one on the N800. |
| 01:56.25 | disq | i got one 1gig rsmmc and one 4gig sdhc. will have to buy a new 4gig minisd |
| 01:56.30 | zerojay | Just wish I could spin it to the back side. |
| 01:56.41 | disq | spinning is bad, i'd prefer a second hires cam |
| 01:56.48 | zerojay | That would be nice too. |
| 01:57.14 | zerojay | If I get the discount, I'm going to be giving my N800 to a friend who will buy me the N810 at the discounted price. |
| 01:57.18 | disq | though i don't think it would fit in its current form factor |
| 01:57.33 | disq | i thought you worked for nokia |
| 01:57.48 | zerojay | No sir. |
| 01:57.51 | zerojay | I work for Ubisoft. |
| 01:57.58 | disq | ah, we had this talk |
| 01:58.12 | zerojay | Well... technically... not anymore, my company just split from them. |
| 01:58.20 | zerojay | Probably. |
| 01:58.28 | zerojay | I'm starting to wish I did work at Nokia though. |
| 01:58.48 | zerojay | Even just being QA for them (which I've done professionally before) on the tablets would be awesome. |
| 01:59.27 | pigeon | hmm, does anyone remember there was a webpage that tells people not to do irc nick changing for away messages? |
| 01:59.33 | disq | i could give away my n800 to an OSS enthusiast (so that we get more software ported/developed) if i got the n810 code too. |
| 02:00.18 | disq | pigeon: there was? |
| 02:00.46 | disq | well. i'd like to be on the device design team but don't see it happening. |
| 02:00.46 | pigeon | hmm, there was, but i couldn't find it, and google isn't helping. |
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| 03:13.01 | zerojay | Anyone have a copy of the latest mediaserv tarball? Jaffa's site appears to be down. |
| 03:16.22 | GeneralAntilles | One sec, zerojay. |
| 03:17.08 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/mediaserv-0.02.tar.gz |
| 03:17.51 | zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Thanks. |
| 03:18.03 | GeneralAntilles | Sure thing. |
| 03:20.14 | zerojay | 770-encode? |
| 03:20.15 | _Monkey | 770-encode is a perl script to transcode video to 770/N800 friendly format. Get it at http://www.bleb.org/software/770/#encode A java GUI version for win/OSX/linux can be found at http://mediaconverter.garage.maemo.org and an alternative shellscript transcoder can be found at http://www.modeemi.fi/~cosmo/projects/encode770/ |
| 03:20.40 | GeneralAntilles | Just remember to switch it to 'mplayer' quality |
| 03:20.47 | GeneralAntilles | and maybe up the bitrate a bit |
| 03:20.56 | zerojay | You got 770-encode on ya? |
| 03:23.00 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/770-encode.zip |
| 03:23.03 | GeneralAntilles | It's a little hacked up |
| 03:23.14 | GeneralAntilles | My LAME encoder is messed up |
| 03:23.17 | GeneralAntilles | so it's setup to passthrough |
| 03:23.26 | GeneralAntilles | and I upped the bitrate a bit on the mplayer setting |
| 03:23.42 | GeneralAntilles | Line 138 if you want to switch it to mp3 encoding |
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| 03:25.30 | zerojay | Change copy to mp3? |
| 03:25.31 | _Monkey | zerojay: that doesn't look right |
| 03:25.38 | zerojay | Die, bitch. |
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| 03:26.14 | GeneralAntilles | mp3lame |
| 03:26.21 | GeneralAntilles | Then you'll need to set the bitrate |
| 03:26.40 | GeneralAntilles | Check google for specifics |
| 03:26.45 | GeneralAntilles | I don't recall and I'm a mencoder noob. |
| 03:27.00 | GeneralAntilles | -lameopts I think |
| 03:30.05 | zerojay | hmm.. looks like I'm missing an unlisted dependency. |
| 03:32.09 | GeneralAntilles | What's the log say? |
| 03:35.04 | zerojay | Can't locate HTTP/Date.pm in @INC |
| 03:35.08 | zerojay | Missing perl module. |
| 03:35.16 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 03:35.27 | GeneralAntilles | I had to install a bunch of perl modules |
| 03:35.42 | GeneralAntilles | Open up mediaserv and hit all of the modules listed at the top. |
| 03:36.27 | zerojay | Gentoo didn't pull in everything that the CPAN install did, apparently...even though I installed the same module. |
| 03:36.29 | zerojay | We'll see. |
| 03:36.42 | zerojay | Nah.. still same thing. |
| 03:39.14 | zerojay | Had to manually install HTTP::Date.. weird. |
| 03:40.24 | GeneralAntilles | I don't even want to think about what it took to get that running on OS X here. ;) |
| 03:41.26 | zerojay | Gentoo makes it easy. |
| 03:41.28 | zerojay | Usually. |
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| 03:42.16 | zerojay | Er.. I'm supposed to go to my IP:8090 in the web browser to access it, right? |
| 03:42.23 | GeneralAntilles | Should be |
| 03:42.28 | zerojay | When I did, it did a search of my server's machine name on google. lol |
| 03:42.37 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 03:42.46 | GeneralAntilles | I had trouble with that, too. |
| 03:42.51 | GeneralAntilles | 3 times the charm. :\ |
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| 03:42.54 | GeneralAntilles | *3rd |
| 03:45.31 | zerojay | Just keeps going to google. |
| 03:45.42 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 03:45.48 | GeneralAntilles | I think a solution was mentioned in the thread on ITT |
| 03:45.55 | GeneralAntilles | Change something in hosts |
| 03:45.56 | _Monkey | GeneralAntilles: that doesn't look right |
| 03:46.04 | GeneralAntilles | Useless bot . . . |
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| 03:46.06 | zerojay | Probably add your machine name to /etc/hosts. |
| 03:46.16 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, makes sense. |
| 03:48.02 | zerojay | k, got it. |
| 03:48.12 | zerojay | Will be interesting to see how it manages all my videos. |
| 03:48.58 | GeneralAntilles | Quite a nice little setup. |
| 03:49.07 | GeneralAntilles | It's amazing somebody hasn't set up something similar in the past. |
| 03:49.25 | zerojay | Takes a while to start? |
| 03:49.40 | GeneralAntilles | Not particularly. |
| 03:49.46 | GeneralAntilles | Did it open media player? |
| 03:49.53 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:49.58 | zerojay | YEah.. it's open. |
| 03:50.03 | zerojay | Doing nothing that I can tell though. |
| 03:50.15 | GeneralAntilles | mencoder going on the PC? |
| 03:50.22 | zerojay | Yep. |
| 03:50.39 | GeneralAntilles | Huh, weird. |
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| 04:04.09 | zerojay | Anyways, bed time. |
| 04:04.44 | GeneralAntilles | 'night |
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| 05:16.40 | lopz | bye |
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| 05:18.10 | |R | is it me or are the nokia headphones completely damped and unhearable in any kind of noisy environment? |
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| 05:23.34 | |R | (i mean the sennheiser HD555 sounds very good, but the nokia, i can't hear anything...) |
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| 06:28.09 | sciboy | http://www.collectingsmiles.com/colors/ Gosh I wish we had something for the N800. |
| 06:28.35 | sciboy | http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=109067 |
| 06:37.38 | keesj | pretty nice indeed, horizon does about the same |
| 06:38.25 | sciboy | ? |
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| 06:39.39 | sciboy | I would love to mention the IT's in that thread, if there's some app I haven't heard of yet. =P |
| 06:39.57 | keesj | http://pippin.gimp.org/horizon/ |
| 06:42.16 | keesj | it's nice because of the zomm feature and the "smudge" kinda drawings I haven't tried it on recent devices |
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| 07:13.02 | pupnik_ | my favorite so far is mtpaint |
| 07:20.59 | keesj | I like tuxpaint :p |
| 07:21.18 | keesj | it keeps the kids quitet |
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| 07:25.48 | sciboy | pupnik_, I need to get that working, there was a lib missing. |
| 07:26.20 | flip^ | does mtpaint do pressure sensitive drawing? |
| 07:27.38 | sciboy | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/faint/ |
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| 07:30.31 | DRoBeR | Good morning. |
| 07:31.07 | atul | : GLIB WARNING ** default - maemo-af-desktop did not exit properly on the previous session. All home plugins will be disabled. |
| 07:31.17 | atul | what to do ? |
| 07:32.07 | pupnik_ | I don't agree with Javesh's renaming of mtpaint for maemo to faint, but if he can fix up the memory/ui problems i'll buy him a beer. |
| 07:33.32 | pupnik_ | sciboy and no - my version doesn't |
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| 07:38.35 | sciboy | I swear I'm going to start downloading PDF files like crazy. |
| 07:38.50 | sciboy | It's awesome being able to have easy offline reading like that. |
| 07:39.07 | flip^ | "like that"? |
| 07:39.40 | czr | cat file.pdf |
| 07:39.44 | sciboy | On the N800 |
| 07:39.46 | czr | awesomeroxor.. |
| 07:39.55 | czr | it's like matrix, but only cooler. |
| 07:40.09 | sciboy | I got through three PDF's I never would've otherwise and learnt tons. |
| 07:41.09 | keesj | sciboy: did you also try fbreader? |
| 07:41.28 | czr | how does the device handle large pdfs? like reference manuals and such? |
| 07:41.28 | sciboy | Nope, don't have any plucker documents I want to read right now. |
| 07:41.54 | sciboy | czr, All I read was A4 at actual pixel size. |
| 07:42.01 | sciboy | So I'd assume so. |
| 07:42.11 | czr | hmm. using the stock pdf reader? |
| 07:42.29 | sciboy | Yeah, I tried Evince, didn't work for well for image heavy stuff. =/ |
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| 07:43.02 | sciboy | Only thing is you have to remember the page numbers yourself. |
| 07:43.30 | sciboy | If you want to continue later. |
| 07:43.51 | flip^ | Thing I don't like about the stock reader is that it doesn't display pages continuously |
| 07:44.18 | keesj | also when zooming it's hard to switch pages |
| 07:44.37 | sciboy | I avoid zoom. |
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| 07:45.24 | keesj | I learn moost by using wikipedia :P and it has this wonderflull zommable interface called html :) |
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| 07:48.13 | czr | hmm. the pdf viewer (evince) doesn't seem to like the intel pdfs |
| 07:49.03 | Jaffa | re |
| 07:49.09 | Jaffa | server seems to have moved ok. excellent. |
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| 07:49.31 | czr | ah no. heh. silly maemo. I had evince open (started from TN), then I opened a pdf using the file manager |
| 07:49.58 | czr | obviously having the program already running means that "no, the user doesn't really want to load the document which was launched from the file manager". bleh. |
| 07:52.57 | czr | damn. evince is actually quite workable with the docs |
| 07:53.07 | czr | at last. a single use for the device that is useful to me :-) |
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| 07:59.03 | flip^ | do you read your PDFs portrait or landscape on the device? |
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| 08:00.35 | sciboy | Landscape, It's easier for me to scroll down. |
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| 08:03.21 | |Pea| | hi |
| 08:03.21 | _Monkey | privet, |Pea| |
| 08:05.31 | |Pea| | it's possible to do ipsec with maemo ? |
| 08:07.27 | ptman | seems to be after a quick google |
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| 08:14.26 | AD-N770 | good morning |
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| 08:24.03 | sciboy | flip^, Hehe |
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| 08:36.34 | amr | my replacement tablet came in 3 days :-) |
| 08:36.40 | amr | i only returned mine on wednesday |
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| 08:40.58 | pupnik_ | great service! usually you only hear from people when they have problems |
| 08:41.49 | amr | yeah i was pleasantly surprised |
| 08:43.07 | sp3000 | flip^: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1956 |
| 08:48.13 | flip^ | aha |
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| 09:43.59 | rafl | so I'm trying to manually setup that maemo 3.1 sdk as described in http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/3.1/INSTALL.txt |
| 09:44.27 | rafl | but after setting up the armel target inside scratchbox starting af-sb-init.sh fails as there seems to be no /etc |
| 09:44.59 | rafl | how is /etc within that armel target to be created? |
| 09:45.01 | alterego | You need to install "files" to your target. /etc, devkits andf fakeroot. |
| 09:45.16 | alterego | Were you using sb-menu or sb-conf? |
| 09:45.20 | rafl | sb-conf |
| 09:45.31 | alterego | Hang on I'll just work out the command. |
| 09:45.56 | alterego | sb-conf install --etc --devkits --fakeroot |
| 09:46.01 | alterego | That'll do it :) |
| 09:46.07 | rafl | that's what I did. |
| 09:46.22 | rafl | also that's what INSTALL.txt says |
| 09:46.26 | alterego | sb-conf install SDK_ARMEL --etc --devkits --fakeroot .. |
| 09:46.56 | alterego | Interesting. |
| 09:47.15 | alterego | Remove the target and try again. |
| 09:47.49 | rafl | aye |
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| 09:49.47 | rafl | alterego: sb-conf install SDK_ARMEL --etc --devkits --fakeroot; test -d /etc || echo oh noes gives |
| 09:49.50 | rafl | Installing fakeroot version 1.4.2... |
| 09:49.53 | rafl | oh noes |
| 09:49.55 | rafl | on a freshly setup target |
| 09:50.52 | alterego | etc is a symlink |
| 09:51.43 | rafl | test -e then.. same result. |
| 09:51.53 | alterego | Though that wouldn't stop it working. |
| 09:52.09 | alterego | Try doing it with sb-menu |
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| 09:52.21 | rafl | /usr/bin/af-sb-init.sh: Error, /etc/osso-af-init/af-defines.sh does not exist or is not readable |
| 09:52.26 | rafl | ok - will try that. |
| 09:53.03 | alterego | Though I fear there's something else wrong. |
| 09:56.21 | rafl | right. using sb-menu doesn't fix it as well. |
| 09:57.03 | alterego | Freaky |
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| 09:57.21 | alterego | Maybe you've got a broken scratchbox install. Other than that I have no clue :/ |
| 09:58.19 | rafl | I'm using what deb http://scratchbox.org/debian/ apophis main provides. Is that known to be broken? |
| 09:58.40 | alterego | No, works fine for me |
| 09:59.08 | rafl | I guess I'll just uninstall all those packages, wipe /scratchbox and start over. Maybe I've messed something up. |
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| 10:20.05 | keesj | rafl: what is are you using? |
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| 10:24.18 | rafl | keesj: err? |
| 10:25.00 | keesj | are your base is belonged to us? |
| 10:25.07 | keesj | what distro are you using |
| 10:28.25 | jumpula | i use mostly caffeine |
| 10:28.33 | jumpula | sometime excess doses of sugar |
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| 10:33.12 | rafl | keesj: Debian sid. |
| 10:33.13 | _Monkey | i heard debian sid was currently at 2.2.17 from the stable branch |
| 10:33.32 | alterego | Heh |
| 10:34.35 | Veggen | hrmf. |
| 10:34.49 | Veggen | Does *anyone* know who the owner of _Monkey is? |
| 10:35.07 | alterego | Nope. |
| 10:35.13 | Veggen | it sort of annoys me. |
| 10:35.24 | alterego | Just ignore it then. |
| 10:35.24 | Veggen | not much, but a little, and often enough ;) |
| 10:35.51 | Veggen | sure. |
| 10:35.53 | alterego | It comes in handy fairly often too. |
| 10:36.12 | Veggen | alterego: Well. But would it annoy you to actually have to ask it specifically? |
| 10:36.26 | alterego | No, guess not. |
| 10:36.33 | Veggen | that's my main complaint. |
| 10:36.45 | alterego | Yes, that's quite reasonable :) |
| 10:36.46 | Veggen | It even answers to "good morning" etc. |
| 10:38.00 | Veggen | I've seen newbies trying to talk to it and get confused. |
| 10:38.12 | alterego | Heh |
| 10:38.18 | Veggen | (a bot shouldn't try to imitate a real person) |
| 10:39.23 | suihkulokki | in some other channel we have bot to react on lines beginning with ? |
| 10:39.36 | suihkulokki | like: |
| 10:39.39 | suihkulokki | ?repositories |
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| 10:41.54 | alterego | Does maemo not include iconv? |
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| 10:55.48 | amr | just curious, on a tablets first charge and the device says its full |
| 10:55.57 | amr | do i actually listen to it and remove the power cord or leave it longer |
| 10:56.16 | alterego | Once it's charged it's charged. |
| 10:56.43 | amr | okay :-) |
| 10:56.59 | alterego | Leaving the power cord in will do literally nothing. |
| 10:57.06 | amr | oh ok cool |
| 10:57.19 | amr | i just read the manual for the first time and saw it said don't leave the cord in and overcharge it |
| 10:57.46 | alterego | I wasn't aware that was possible. |
| 10:58.02 | alterego | Once the tablet is fully charged the PSU pretty much stops working. |
| 10:58.08 | amr | oh ok |
| 10:58.18 | alterego | Maybe that's just if you have a different kind of PSU. |
| 11:00.18 | rafl | alterego: do you happen to run the above scratchbox packages on Debian sid as well? |
| 11:00.43 | alterego | Etch |
| 11:00.53 | rafl | i see |
| 11:03.54 | amr | weird |
| 11:04.00 | amr | the downloads page on maemo.org |
| 11:04.05 | amr | doesn't load on my tablet |
| 11:04.20 | amr | it just says connecting :s |
| 11:06.17 | amr | oh it works now |
| 11:07.23 | lardman | morning |
| 11:07.23 | _Monkey | aloha |
| 11:07.37 | lardman | _Monkey: how are you this morning? |
| 11:07.37 | _Monkey | no idea, lardman |
| 11:07.47 | lardman | _Monkey: You are well |
| 11:07.48 | _Monkey | ...but _monkey is the best programmer in the whole freenode IRC right now | an annoying bot... |
| 11:08.06 | alterego | Heh |
| 11:08.08 | lardman | s/|/& |
| 11:09.16 | lardman | morning to the non-bots out there too |
| 11:09.27 | rafl | alterego: success! |
| 11:09.28 | alterego | Just gone afternoon here :) |
| 11:09.33 | rafl | alterego: my scratchbox was probably fucked up. |
| 11:09.35 | alterego | rafl, congrats! :) |
| 11:09.44 | alterego | Yeah, it's a common problem. |
| 11:11.33 | rafl | I still wonder how I managed to do that. |
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| 11:13.53 | Andy80 | hi |
| 11:13.53 | _Monkey | hi, Andy80 |
| 11:18.38 | rafl | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/3.1/INSTALL.txt (3.2.4) tells me to create dummy packages for certain build dependencies. Also it refers to the installer script (http://repository.maemo.org/stable/3.1/maemo-scratchbox-install_3.1.sh, I guess) for examples on automating this. I don't see anything regarding fake packages in that script though. pointers? |
| 11:19.29 | keesj | rafl: yes one moment |
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| 11:22.56 | rafl | keesj: uhm.. n/m me. |
| 11:23.10 | rafl | keesj: I've been looking at the scratchbox installer, not the sdk installer :-) |
| 11:23.58 | keesj | hmm acualty I just copied it from the install file http://tinyurl.com/2ycqck |
| 11:24.11 | dpb_ | scratchbox installer? |
| 11:24.33 | keesj | sbox+nokia with 2.2 and 3.2 |
| 11:25.14 | keesj | I an not a script guru :) |
| 11:25.35 | keesj | but I was happy with functions.sh |
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| 11:38.19 | Thanatermesis | i supose that not exist any app to open Power Point type files, correct ? |
| 11:38.53 | Thanatermesis | because... run openoffice2 on n800 is a crazy idea i supose |
| 11:43.47 | robtaylor | Thanatermesis: you could try using google docs |
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| 11:45.04 | keesj | Thanatermesis: I guess that oo can convert them to pdf? |
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| 11:46.24 | Thanatermesis | keesj, idk, i want to open it from the n800 |
| 11:46.46 | Thanatermesis | robtaylor, but i can "send" (open) files with google docs ? |
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| 12:02.12 | robtaylor | Thanatermesis: you can open and edit PPt in google docs,from what i hear |
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| 12:04.52 | robtaylor | Thanatermesis: and yes, you shoudl e able to upload a ppt to google docs from your n800 |
| 12:05.02 | rafl | how about module init tools? 3.1 wanted me to provide a dummy package. 3.2 seems to ship with a real module-init-tools package. I guess I should remove my dummy package then, right? |
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| 12:12.15 | lopz | hola |
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| 12:18.08 | rafl | isn't the maemo repository somewhat selfcontained? It seems to have gstreamer0.10-plugins-base can't satisfy its build dependencies. |
| 12:21.24 | jumpula | not all the build dependencies are satisfiable at the moment |
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| 12:50.38 | rafl | jumpula: what can I do about that? |
| 12:51.03 | Tak | cry? |
| 12:51.50 | rafl | I'd be more interested in anything that'd fix things. |
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| 12:56.40 | jumpula | you can try to remove dependencies from packages, or try to compile build dependencies from debian |
| 13:01.43 | timelyx | hello world |
| 13:01.56 | timelyx | anyone here poke bugs.maemo.org? |
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| 13:02.49 | Tak | seems ok to me? |
| 13:03.45 | timelyx | just want to point out that most products should now have a target milestone field |
| 13:03.56 | timelyx | it should look familiar (fairly similar to the version field) |
| 13:04.11 | Tak | indeed it seems that they do |
| 13:04.39 | timelyx | for bugs that are fixed already, for people who happen to have editbugs and can determine a version in which a bug is fixed, it'd be appreciated if you set it to the lowest version in which it's fixed :) |
| 13:05.01 | timelyx | most products should have 1.1 .. 4.0, ---, Next, Future |
| 13:05.18 | timelyx | if any of them don't have some of those, let me know, and i'll try to deal w/ that sometime this weekend |
| 13:05.33 | timelyx | 1.0 is kinda a bit of a silly point, so i don't care so much about it :) |
| 13:05.53 | timelyx | but if i'm e.g. missing 2.1 from Connectivity, i'd like to know so i can fix that :) |
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| 13:09.33 | rafl | jumpula: k - what to do with the results? |
| 13:10.42 | jumpula | i suppose they could be put in extras |
| 13:10.54 | jumpula | but it's not really up to me :P |
| 13:11.18 | timelyx | rafl: sardine is supposed to be self contained |
| 13:11.30 | timelyx | it will in fact reject unsatisfiable things |
| 13:11.42 | timelyx | which means while one would hope it's bleeding edge, it isn't always |
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| 13:52.53 | rafl | timelyx: what's sardine? |
| 13:52.54 | _Monkey | sardine is (very) unstable or http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_GetStartedWithSardine |
| 13:53.01 | rafl | _Monkey++ |
| 13:53.56 | Tak | Don't encourage it. |
| 13:54.21 | Tak | _Monkey, forget postincrement. |
| 13:54.21 | _Monkey | Tak, I didn't have anything matching postincrement |
| 13:55.59 | Veggen | Ok. I vote for kicking *and* banning _Monkey for a while, until the owner speaks up? |
| 13:56.29 | Veggen | Not that I hate _Monkey as a concept, I just think the owner should be available and actually monitor its function on the channel. |
| 13:56.31 | jumpula | sounds like throwing a monkeywrench in the machinery :) |
| 13:57.07 | Veggen | I think it's function should be tuned - it shouldn't speak unless explicitly spoken too, and never do like this: |
| 13:57.13 | Veggen | morning people |
| 13:57.24 | Veggen | (hmm, didn't it reply?) |
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| 13:57.57 | Veggen | hello people. |
| 13:58.09 | Veggen | (hmm. I *have* seen it answer to greetings :) |
| 13:58.11 | pupnik | hi |
| 13:58.16 | pupnik | maybe it's turned off |
| 13:58.30 | pupnik | http://youtube.com/watch?v=9gsIzP9s_t0 sorry - offtopic post on this subject - crytek tech demo (wow) |
| 13:59.12 | pupnik | i would cast my vote to make monkey only respond with a ! query |
| 13:59.50 | Veggen | pupnik: I've been trying to find out who owns _monkey, and noone seems to know. |
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| 14:00.09 | pupnik | wasn't it timeless? |
| 14:01.40 | sp3000 | look at hosts eh? |
| 14:02.04 | sp3000 | and whois even has a contact domain |
| 14:02.48 | sp3000 | (milhouse appears to be the winner, fwiw.) |
| 14:03.21 | Veggen | seems like. |
| 14:03.42 | sp3000 | _Monkey: who are you? |
| 14:03.42 | _Monkey | i am the best programmer in the whole freenode IRC right now |
| 14:03.49 | sp3000 | oh, yeah, that's useless :) |
| 14:03.50 | Tak | _Monkey: Who's your daddy? |
| 14:03.50 | _Monkey | no idea, tak |
| 14:04.32 | sp3000 | shrugs even |
| 14:04.59 | sp3000 | hmm, I think move demands singing "Thriller" |
| 14:07.12 | Tak | scariest zombie movie evar |
| 14:07.35 | alterego | Your mom .. Returns |
| 14:08.50 | alterego | Hmm .. Considering I have to go to this party tonight. I wonder what I should drink to help my cold. |
| 14:08.55 | alterego | I'm thinking whisky. |
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| 14:37.03 | Jaffa | Aww, cool - I love it when software I write gets a comment of the form: "Beautiful software. Thanks." |
| 14:37.15 | alterego | :) |
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| 14:43.13 | Tak | Jaffa: I bet I'd love it too :-P |
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| 14:46.20 | amr | what software Jaffa ? |
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| 14:54.47 | Jaffa | amr: mediaserv - http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa |
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| 14:56.55 | keesj | we need a pastebin app on maemo! |
| 14:58.13 | Tak | you mean a bookmark? |
| 15:02.24 | sciboy | That would be nice if my N800 had access to the wifi. =/ |
| 15:03.01 | keesj | something to share links / paste and retrieve them on the device |
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| 15:06.10 | Jaffa | keesj: for 24-style "send this link to my PDA" comments :) |
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| 15:07.59 | keesj | 24-style? |
| 15:08.59 | keesj | I think that new nokia service also does something similar (send this video to my phone kinda stuff) |
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| 15:11.37 | trunneml_ | hello |
| 15:11.37 | _Monkey | salut, trunneml_ |
| 15:11.57 | trunneml_ | i have a problem with libosso and rpc |
| 15:12.06 | trunneml_ | can some one help me? |
| 15:12.59 | Tak | perhaps if you described the problem |
| 15:13.26 | db48x | isnt't there supposed to be a LXR at maemo.org/lxr? |
| 15:13.53 | trunneml_ | I have a dbus rpc function that need no parameter and has a string as the return value |
| 15:14.11 | sp3000 | there was once upon a time |
| 15:14.33 | trunneml_ | ret = osso_rpc_run(osso_context, |
| 15:14.33 | trunneml_ | OSSO_MAPPER_SERVICE, |
| 15:14.33 | trunneml_ | OSSO_MAPPER_OBJECT, |
| 15:14.33 | trunneml_ | OSSO_MAPPER_IFACE, |
| 15:14.33 | trunneml_ | "getPOIdbpath", &retval, G_TYPE_STRING, OUT_poidbpath, DBUS_TYPE_INVALID); |
| 15:15.08 | db48x | sp3000: where did it migrate to? |
| 15:15.09 | trunneml_ | OUT_poidbpath should include the retrun value |
| 15:15.22 | trunneml_ | but it does not work |
| 15:15.59 | Tak | &OUT_poidbpath ? |
| 15:16.06 | trunneml_ | hmm |
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| 15:16.54 | [31d1] | http://lrrr.us/omicron/cisco.jpg |
| 15:16.56 | sp3000 | db48x: there's http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/ |
| 15:17.26 | db48x | heh, timeless would have his own |
| 15:17.44 | trunneml_ | nope |
| 15:18.06 | trunneml_ | does not work |
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| 15:24.50 | dpryo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y36fG2Oba0 |
| 15:31.34 | trunneml_ | found the solution |
| 15:32.12 | trunneml_ | it isn't transmited over a parameter like the normal dbus interface |
| 15:32.25 | trunneml_ | the return value is in retval |
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| 15:36.16 | trevarth1n | what's the best PDF reader for maemo? |
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| 15:38.55 | erstazi | what are some of your favorite wireless routers? I think I am going to get a WRT54GL |
| 15:39.57 | Tak | any one that supports dd-wrt |
| 15:40.11 | Tak | or rather, vice-versa |
| 15:40.28 | zoran | I have wrt54gl and could say just the best for it |
| 15:40.53 | zoran | I have wrt54gl and could say just the best for it |
| 15:41.15 | Tak | you can say that again |
| 15:41.19 | erstazi | heh |
| 15:41.23 | zoran | sorry |
| 15:41.35 | zoran | pointer stayed at the wrong shell |
| 15:41.44 | erstazi | Tak: currently, unless one finds an older model of WRT54g, the WRT54GL is the best luck |
| 15:41.59 | erstazi | zoran: using screen? |
| 15:42.03 | Tak | yeah - I bought a wrt54gc once because I wasn't paying attention |
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| 15:42.22 | zoran | erstazi, yes, a lot |
| 15:43.20 | zoran | Tak, gc was my first choice, but could not find it in a store. does it works as gl? |
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| 15:43.45 | Tak | dd-wrt doesn't work on the gc |
| 15:43.46 | trunneml_ | some one has expirens with libosso and dbus signals? |
| 15:44.05 | Tak | or it didn't last I checked |
| 15:44.11 | zoran | Tak, it was not linux box, as I recall |
| 15:44.22 | Tak | yeah |
| 15:44.52 | zoran | reading reviews helps nothing, when comes the time to buy the device |
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| 15:45.04 | erstazi | zoran: GL is flashable with any of the OSes for routers |
| 15:45.13 | zoran | I think so |
| 15:45.25 | erstazi | thats why I am going with the WRT54GL |
| 15:45.26 | zoran | dd could be the choice |
| 15:45.44 | erstazi | I might do OpenWRT |
| 15:45.54 | zoran | yes |
| 15:46.05 | zoran | even linksys vanilla |
| 15:46.08 | erstazi | yeah |
| 15:46.20 | erstazi | the main thing is, I want better control over whitelisting and blacklisting |
| 15:46.26 | erstazi | primarily over whitelisting |
| 15:46.31 | zoran | mac filtering |
| 15:46.42 | zoran | dmz |
| 15:46.43 | erstazi | and WEP |
| 15:46.47 | zoran | wpa2 |
| 15:46.52 | erstazi | WPA2 |
| 15:46.53 | erstazi | yes |
| 15:46.55 | zoran | yep |
| 15:47.16 | erstazi | my old wireless died so I cannot access the internet unless I walk down the street and borrow from the neighbors, but I dislike that |
| 15:47.19 | zoran | I have wpa aes on 770 and works monstruously |
| 15:47.44 | erstazi | my old wireless router only had wep sadly |
| 15:47.48 | zoran | dd-wrt adds signal strenght |
| 15:48.01 | erstazi | I might check it out |
| 15:48.02 | zoran | if you need it |
| 15:48.20 | erstazi | but right now, I have no wireless, only a wired router |
| 15:48.35 | erstazi | I might do ad-hoc with the extra wireless card |
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| 15:48.40 | erstazi | if I get despairate |
| 15:49.34 | fish__ | damn, why does maemomapper hangs every time the display switchs on |
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| 15:53.31 | zoran | hm, drm seems to go to some nokia phones. 6233 review on mobile-review.com |
| 15:55.09 | gla55 | what you mean with "drm seems to go to" |
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| 15:55.38 | gla55 | they've had some sorts of drm's like forward lock options for a while |
| 15:56.10 | zoran | cannot paste but gonna say it |
| 15:56.56 | zoran | attempt to send app, received from pc or wap, will fail |
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| 15:57.52 | zoran | www.mobile-review.com/review/nokia-6233-en.shtml |
| 15:57.55 | gla55 | i'm under impression that it's the case with almost any nokia(or other) |
| 15:58.16 | zoran | I was interesting in this model |
| 15:58.19 | gla55 | can't install app from obex anyways on at least most(at least older) s40's |
| 15:58.40 | zoran | looks strange, don't you think? |
| 15:59.12 | gla55 | it's strange to mention it in a specific phones review more rather imoh |
| 15:59.16 | gla55 | imho |
| 15:59.31 | gla55 | i thought you meant with drm oma drm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OMA_DRM |
| 15:59.45 | zoran | hm, dunno |
| 16:00.09 | gla55 | you can't forward send apps on s60's either(well, at least on 2nd eds you could rename the file and then send it tho) |
| 16:00.09 | zoran | check on the link above, is says if it is |
| 16:00.50 | zoran | I went to stores today to take a look at models 6120 and 6233 |
| 16:00.56 | gla55 | anyways, with most phones, you can't forward send apps, most of the time it's not an issue |
| 16:01.06 | zoran | what stories I heard, you would not believe |
| 16:02.00 | gla55 | on some motos you have to flip some bits to be able to install without doing it over wap |
| 16:02.22 | zoran | this 6233 is not smart phone with symbian |
| 16:02.37 | zoran | it has bt |
| 16:02.48 | zoran | I could send something from 770, probably |
| 16:03.11 | amr | what flash version is supported on the 770 |
| 16:03.12 | amr | 7 is it? |
| 16:03.22 | gla55 | but like i said, at least with older s40's you coldn't install jar apps that you sent with obex |
| 16:03.39 | gla55 | with s60's(like 6120 classic) you could |
| 16:03.40 | mgedmin | amr: yes |
| 16:03.44 | amr | ok ty |
| 16:03.46 | zoran | would you concider that s40 phone as good? |
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| 16:04.26 | gla55 | it's s40, it's ok, the rest is if you just like the form factor/design.. |
| 16:04.41 | zoran | about 110 g |
| 16:04.47 | zoran | classical design |
| 16:05.15 | zoran | now I have se j300i and just cannot hear what peaple are talking about |
| 16:06.31 | gla55 | i'd rather take the 6120 classic.. but i like s60 more than s40 |
| 16:06.38 | zoran | k |
| 16:06.47 | zoran | it was my first intention |
| 16:06.55 | zoran | and I started to read |
| 16:07.02 | zoran | and what I found? |
| 16:07.19 | zoran | that it heats a lot |
| 16:07.36 | gla55 | forum nokias side is a lot better than the consumer versions for finding tech specs btw http://www.forum.nokia.com/devices/6120_classic |
| 16:07.41 | gla55 | heats a lot? wtf |
| 16:08.09 | zoran | I have no idea, but people on forums complane that |
| 16:08.25 | zoran | some speaker issue |
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| 16:09.12 | zoran | gla55, I don't say it's a truth |
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| 16:10.18 | murrayc_ | Has anyone else noticed that files are read-only in scratchbox after dist upgrading gutsy? |
| 16:10.46 | murrayc_ | For instance, when then doing a dist upgrade inside scratchbox, I get: |
| 16:10.47 | Robot101 | doesn't seem to be the case here |
| 16:10.49 | murrayc_ | W: Not using locking for read only lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock |
| 16:10.49 | murrayc_ | W: Not using locking for read only lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
| 16:10.49 | murrayc_ | E: Unable to write to /var/cache/apt/ |
| 16:10.49 | murrayc_ | E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
| 16:11.05 | murrayc_ | And when creating packages it complains that the file system is read-only. |
| 16:11.34 | mgedmin | what does 'mount' say (outside scratchbox)? |
| 16:11.41 | mgedmin | or /proc/mounts |
| 16:11.57 | zoran | gla55, it looks just 500 phones is memory for 6233 |
| 16:12.02 | murrayc_ | murrayc@murrayc-vmware:~$ mount |
| 16:12.02 | murrayc_ | /dev/sda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) |
| 16:12.02 | murrayc_ | proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) |
| 16:12.02 | murrayc_ | varrun on /var/run type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,mode=0755) |
| 16:12.13 | murrayc_ | varlock on /var/lock type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,mode=1777) |
| 16:12.15 | murrayc_ | udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755) |
| 16:12.19 | murrayc_ | devshm on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) |
| 16:12.21 | murrayc_ | devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620) |
| 16:12.23 | murrayc_ | lrm on /lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/volatile type tmpfs (rw) |
| 16:12.25 | murrayc_ | none on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw) |
| 16:12.27 | murrayc_ | /dev/pts on /scratchbox/users/murrayc/dev/pts type none (rw,bind) |
| 16:12.29 | murrayc_ | /dev/shm on /scratchbox/users/murrayc/dev/shm type none (rw,bind) |
| 16:12.31 | murrayc_ | /dev/scd0 on /media/cdrom0 type iso9660 (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,user=murrayc) |
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| 16:20.51 | murrayc_ | It's a good thing I'm using vmware. I'll go back to a snapshot. |
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| 16:27.17 | |R | anybody is selling backplates w/battery replacements for the n800 to boost the battery capacity? http://blog.russnelson.com/770/N800-external-battery.html <- something like this but made a lot less fugly ;-) We could even have one USB rechargeable ;) |
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| 16:29.57 | |R | a full plate battery using the space below the pen's bump would give us 12h+ of continuous battery use i'm sure ;) |
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| 16:36.27 | j_ck | while you're at it, did anyone watched an entire movie in MPlayer and survived with the battery? |
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| 16:36.55 | mgedmin | I did |
| 16:37.12 | mgedmin | ah, no, not mplayer |
| 16:37.13 | j_ck | how much "life" did it take from maemo? |
| 16:37.20 | mgedmin | that might have been the built-in media player |
| 16:37.23 | j_ck | what did you used |
| 16:37.38 | j_ck | built-in can play a full length movie? |
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| 16:37.45 | j_ck | isn't it slow for mpeg? |
| 16:37.48 | mgedmin | if you recode it |
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| 16:37.57 | mgedmin | it all depends on the size and bitrate |
| 16:38.41 | j_ck | i'm trying to skip that. want to see it playing regular. that would really put it up there with the portable players |
| 16:39.00 | mgedmin | I suspect all players have their limits |
| 16:39.15 | mgedmin | only most of them have bigger limits |
| 16:39.21 | j_ck | :) |
| 16:43.11 | wumpus | then again, you can't really expect it to do things that devices with a few times the cpu power or even hardwrae based video decoding can |
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| 16:44.25 | Bobbywaz | holla! |
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| 16:46.16 | bueroman | hello folks |
| 16:46.34 | bueroman | i'm missing the libsdl-net1.2 package on chinook sdk |
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| 16:47.41 | bueroman | was it removed, or is it just missing? |
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| 16:51.38 | sciboy_ | I crave N800 gaming. |
| 16:52.02 | sciboy_ | Finally learnt how to play Mahjong |
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| 16:55.09 | ccooke | Hum. Anyone know about java on the n800/n810? |
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| 16:55.43 | Tak | sciboy: pupnik's your man |
| 16:56.14 | script | ccooke: i've searched for ages ... nothing usable found |
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| 16:57.11 | ccooke | script: Shame. I was hoping (for instance) goproblems.com would work |
| 16:59.35 | Bobbywaz | what the frig is a zaurus |
| 17:00.40 | sciboy | Bobbywaz, One of the earlier commercial linux handhelds. |
| 17:00.45 | ccooke | Bobbywaz: Clamshell palmtop. VGA screen. Made by sharp. Built in hard disk. Linux by design (qt based). Line discontinued as of earlier this year |
| 17:01.09 | Tak | clamshell ones were only in japan :-( |
| 17:01.10 | Bobbywaz | innnnteresting. |
| 17:01.22 | Bobbywaz | I wish the n810 was clamshell :( |
| 17:01.34 | Bobbywaz | just a tiny little laptop |
| 17:01.51 | ccooke | Tak: yeah, but easy to get. And I was in Tokyo building a datacentre this time last year |
| 17:02.47 | Tak | I heard the english translations weren't great |
| 17:03.05 | ccooke | Tak: no, they were fine |
| 17:03.10 | gla55 | bro had one of those 5500's |
| 17:03.13 | Tak | cool |
| 17:03.15 | gla55 | friggin cool |
| 17:03.26 | gla55 | back then |
| 17:03.28 | gla55 | when it was new |
| 17:03.54 | ccooke | The clamshells are lovely devices - especially for playing around with. They're almost impossible to brick |
| 17:04.28 | sciboy | I've always wanted to develop a game for a portable device. |
| 17:05.22 | gla55 | go for it |
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| 17:08.42 | sciboy | Already am, it's partially why I got the N800. |
| 17:10.46 | sciboy | I'll be using Gecko to do the heavy lifting for me, only reason I hadn't done a game for GP2X etc. is because I'm an artist/animator not a programmer, I can handle scripting just not blitting graphics etc. |
| 17:12.10 | sciboy | Plenty of web dev. tools and a graphical cross-platform environment to test with. |
| 17:13.26 | sciboy | So in short, BINGO! |
| 17:18.15 | amr | make a racing game |
| 17:18.20 | amr | i cannot find one anywhere |
| 17:18.21 | sciboy | I need to get familiar with the devices limitations and controls first though, so I have to work on mini-games before I consider touching anything major. |
| 17:18.22 | amr | even a really badly done one |
| 17:18.52 | sciboy | I have a design for a racing game, but it was planned for 3D. =/ |
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| 17:19.06 | amr | if doom can work |
| 17:19.13 | amr | im sure a very basic racing one can work |
| 17:19.38 | amr | i'd hope anyway |
| 17:19.49 | sciboy | I just don't think it's suitable for the maemo platform, especially without the powervr to assist. |
| 17:20.04 | Tak | heh, doom's not using 3d |
| 17:20.25 | amr | who cares |
| 17:20.27 | sciboy | I know, which is why I disregarded that comment, I can only take pseudo graphics so far. |
| 17:20.31 | amr | just make me a racing game ok >:( |
| 17:20.46 | sciboy | And a racer would be a case where it wouldn't work terribly well. |
| 17:21.08 | amr | i want a racer :( |
| 17:22.33 | sciboy | Oh cheer up, I'll think it over but don't get your hopes up, it's unlikely and better suited to someone who can push the performance rather than working around it like I do. |
| 17:22.54 | amr | :P |
| 17:24.53 | inz | Hmm, I wonder if I dare alter mce.ini in a postinst script... |
| 17:24.57 | sciboy | The fact that I use more texture planes than models in my 3D animations is evidence enough to that. |
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| 17:28.14 | oyvind | How can you play 3d games with the button layout |
| 17:29.52 | sciboy | By simplifying controls and taking advantage of the bottom left and right corner of the touch screen. |
| 17:30.11 | sciboy | Which are in easy and unobtrusive distance for the thumbs. |
| 17:30.53 | sciboy | Hell, make that either edge of the screen. |
| 17:31.24 | oyvind | i guess with n810 it be easyer |
| 17:31.37 | sciboy | Why? |
| 17:31.58 | sciboy | Personally I wouldn't even consider any design that required you to slide the keyboard out. |
| 17:32.14 | oyvind | couz of the new implemented keyboard |
| 17:32.24 | sciboy | The screen is just too perfect of an intuitive interface. |
| 17:33.35 | ccooke | sciboy: What are you thinking of, in terms of minigames? |
| 17:33.42 | sciboy | Let's take the racing game as an example. |
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| 17:34.57 | sciboy | Left and right of the screen for steering, and while doing so, make the difference from top to bottom to manage speed (and strength of steering) |
| 17:37.01 | sciboy | ccooke, I don't know yet that's why I'm brainstorming right now, the major game I'll be doing is a side-scrolling action adventure, but I'm just going to pick a few small ideas I could crank out in a few weeks to learn how I can handle this device. |
| 17:38.52 | oyvind | What kind of games could be run via an emulator, it have power enuf to run nintendo ds games or psp games? |
| 17:40.29 | sciboy | I doubt it, |
| 17:41.20 | sciboy | We've got no hardware acceleration from what I understand. |
| 17:42.28 | sciboy | The hardware (PowerVR) is actually in there, but Nokia isn't supporting it so we can't use it. |
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| 17:42.58 | lopz | hola |
| 17:43.04 | sciboy | Hi lopz. |
| 17:43.26 | lopz | hey sciboy |
| 17:43.27 | _Monkey | sciboy is probably my username at gp32x? |
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| 17:45.34 | Tak | probably it could emulate games for any pre-3d-rendering system, given that somebody created an emulator targeted and optimized specifically for the IT hardware |
| 17:47.47 | sciboy | How long before the N810 and OS2008 is being released? |
| 17:48.47 | playya | i heard novembre |
| 17:50.03 | playya | the new OS loks great |
| 17:50.28 | sciboy | It looks different? |
| 17:50.43 | playya | yes |
| 17:50.46 | playya | the apps too |
| 17:51.53 | playya | i flashed my n800 with it by mistake |
| 17:52.50 | DRoBeR | Good evening, everyone. :) |
| 17:53.16 | playya | hi |
| 17:53.27 | sciboy | I want to flash mine with it too. =( |
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| 17:56.11 | playya | you cant reach this server from the internet |
| 17:57.02 | tko | where can you reach it from, then? |
| 17:57.57 | playya | internal |
| 17:57.57 | _Monkey | internal is, like, crap for me |
| 17:58.18 | playya | but it crashed all the time |
| 17:58.32 | playya | maybe one reason why its not out atm |
| 18:00.00 | sciboy | MicroB is broke for me, but I can't be bothered reporting when the new browser is coming so soon. |
| 18:01.24 | playya | isnt a beta available? |
| 18:03.40 | Jiten | n800 was useful in an unexpected way :) I managed to configure my desktop debian system to get internet connectivity through my phone by copying the pppd config :) |
| 18:04.23 | sciboy | Heh. |
| 18:05.28 | Bobbywaz | lolsend |
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| 18:05.54 | doug1 | does anyone know if there is an official release date of OS2008 out yet? |
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| 18:09.58 | Bobbywaz | [13:48] playya: i heard novembre |
| 18:09.58 | Bobbywaz | [13:50] playya: the new OS loks great |
| 18:09.58 | Bobbywaz | [13:50] sciboy: It looks different? |
| 18:10.03 | Bobbywaz | [13:58] playya: but it crashed all the time |
| 18:10.03 | Bobbywaz | [13:58] playya: maybe one reason why its not out atm |
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| 18:12.09 | Bobbywaz | timriker spelled backwards is rekermit |
| 18:12.24 | Bobbywaz | it's the evil reincarnation of kermit the frog! |
| 18:12.32 | TimRiker | almost. |
| 18:12.50 | TimRiker | ~reverse timriker |
| 18:13.09 | Bobbywaz | close enough |
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| 18:13.13 | TimRiker | ~reverse it's the evil reincarnation of kermit the frog! |
| 18:13.14 | Bobbywaz | ....muppet |
| 18:13.43 | Bobbywaz | ~reverse racecar |
| 18:13.55 | Bobbywaz | it's broken. |
| 18:14.03 | Bobbywaz | ~reverse gohandasalami |
| 18:14.04 | sciboy | ~reverse sciboy |
| 18:14.10 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 18:14.12 | sciboy | ~reverse infobot |
| 18:14.13 | GeneralAntilles | BOT SPAM! |
| 18:14.18 | Bobbywaz | ~reverse gohangasalami |
| 18:14.26 | sciboy | ~reverse GeneralAntilles |
| 18:14.26 | playya | ~reverse abtman |
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| 18:14.37 | TimRiker | ok.. take it to #botpark |
| 18:14.50 | Bobbywaz | go hang a salami backwards spells out I |
| 18:14.54 | Bobbywaz | I'm a lasanga hog |
| 18:17.56 | playya | where can i get sqlite2.8 for ubunut? |
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| 18:18.45 | playya | i only have 3.0 |
| 18:18.56 | ccooke | playya: Gutsy's default version is 2.8.17-2.1build1 |
| 18:19.17 | playya | oh wrong channel |
| 18:19.24 | playya | should be in #mms |
| 18:19.31 | ccooke | that is, if you install "sqlite", you get 2.8.17-2.1build1. If you install sqlite3, you get "3.4.2-1build1" |
| 18:20.34 | playya | ok |
| 18:20.41 | soon | Hi folks - I'm considering a Nokia n800 - I want a PDA which can sync witk KDE Kontact ... what would ya'll recommend (I dont want any mini-screens either) |
| 18:20.53 | playya | i needed the dev package which is in libsplite-de ;) |
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| 18:24.11 | keesj | sciboy: what is broken about microb? |
| 18:24.36 | sciboy | It dies when I try to load any page. =P |
| 18:25.02 | keesj | I had that once |
| 18:25.43 | keesj | that time it was the .browser file that was wrongly configured to us opera |
| 18:30.16 | Jiten | soon: at least OS2007 versions can't currently sync ... at least not with my phone (nokia 6120). |
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| 18:31.43 | Jiten | it might be possible to persuade opensync into doing it if you install the GPE suite and use that instead of the default program. |
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| 18:36.57 | soon | but does the n800 have a pim programme at ?all |
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| 18:39.05 | rev | not built-in, soon |
| 18:39.07 | rev | but you can add them |
| 18:39.13 | rev | not sure about syncing them with anything |
| 18:39.50 | rev | in my case, i never sync'd any PDA i've had, i use a PDA as a stand-alone computerish thing myself, whether its Newton OS, CE, Palm OS, or Linux |
| 18:41.52 | soon | ok |
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| 20:05.02 | Tak | haha, awesome |
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| 20:52.59 | Andy80 | hi all |
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| 20:59.35 | lopz | hola |
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| 22:38.05 | Lateralus | Is there any tutorial or howto for the chinook api as relates to home applets? Almost every library for pre-chinook development is gone. Is there a source example anywhere? |
| 22:43.00 | Lateralus | I've found a bit of information at http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HildonDesktopPluginHowto |
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| 22:50.59 | rafl | so what's needed to get an application I've got to run on my n800 onto http://maemo.org/downloads/? |
| 22:53.07 | Lateralus | rafl: http://maemo.org/community/application-catalog/developer-manual.html |
| 22:53.29 | rafl | Lateralus++ # thanks |
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