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| 00:13.07 | digilink | Ok I'm a little confused by something. There was an email that came across the Maemo announce list today of a new release of Maemo 3.2 Looking at the tools it updated I could really use some of them, so I opted to flash my n800 with the latest OS 2007 image (4.2007.38-2) however, I can not find some of the new tools, specifically nano, I want that pretty bad :P Has the new image just not hit the d/l page yet or do I have a mis |
| 00:13.07 | digilink | understanding of how I am supposed to update? |
| 00:13.46 | GeneralAntilles | 38-2 is the SDHC fix, I think. |
| 00:14.26 | GeneralAntilles | nano is here: http://aeracode.org/maemo/2007/ |
| 00:15.53 | digilink | ok hmm. any idea what they are talking about in the email they sent out today? I just got my n800 yesterday so I'm still learning :) |
| 00:16.02 | GeneralAntilles | Haven't a clue. |
| 00:23.06 | c0ffee | digilink, the mail talked about the SDK, while you flashed the os image on your n800 |
| 00:23.31 | c0ffee | digilink, the SDK is this scratchbox thing you run on your normal pc to compile stuff for the n800 |
| 00:24.02 | digilink | I thought so, so the tools listed are built into the SDK I assume? |
| 00:24.10 | c0ffee | yes |
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| 00:24.21 | digilink | ok that makes sense now |
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| 00:54.15 | scott_ | Hello. Newbie here. Tried installing apps from maemo.org site by clicking on install links. Nothing happens. Download install files and they don't show up in the system. Do I have to unlock something first?? |
| 00:59.48 | |R | did you choose save or open? |
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| 01:20.08 | j_ck | hi, my n800 just went dead for no reason and it's not responding. Anyone knows anything about this? |
| 01:22.05 | GeneralAntilles | Did you charge it? |
| 01:22.36 | j_ck | it was low on battery, i've put it on charging, but it doesn't give any response during charge (on indication) |
| 01:22.48 | j_ck | (no indication) |
| 01:23.05 | GeneralAntilles | Let it charge. |
| 01:23.16 | j_ck | that's normal? |
| 01:23.21 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno |
| 01:23.29 | GeneralAntilles | But, obviously, the battery is low. |
| 01:23.57 | j_ck | ok, i'll wait till it's charged and start panicing after that |
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| 02:00.13 | SLi | Is there a "what's new in chinook" summary somewhere? I think I should install chinook on a memory card or something and give it a try. |
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| 02:01.48 | GeneralAntilles | It's somewhere on maemo.org |
| 02:02.40 | GeneralAntilles | Here we go, SLi: http://maemo.org/development/sdks/api_changes_between_maemo_3_2_and_maemo_4_0.html |
| 02:04.29 | disq | i think i need a more elegant font to write OO code. fixedsys makes me feel like i'm in procedural land |
| 02:06.20 | GeneralAntilles | Courier |
| 02:08.10 | SLi | GeneralAntilles, thanks. |
| 02:14.49 | npt | so, I got my n800 today, so forgive me... if i apt-get update, will it work? |
| 02:15.12 | SLi | disq: An interesting way of thinking :) Although I can understand that. |
| 02:15.37 | disq | i'll try consolas |
| 02:17.03 | SLi | npt, yes, it should, as far as I understand, although I've always used the Application Manager (often in blue pill mode). I have the feeling that using command line might be more handy, especially as the Appmgr only lets you upgrade one package at a time and then it needs to reload everything and you need to rescroll to the point where you were :P |
| 02:17.50 | npt | ;p |
| 02:18.31 | SLi | Hmm, although now that I think, I wonder if Nokia has modded apt to use the (I assume gconf-based) same repository configuration. |
| 02:19.14 | npt | I read some webpage 'pimp my n800' but it was from like 02/07 |
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| 02:19.52 | npt | and that seemed to think you had to 'mod' your n800's files a bit before apt-get update would work |
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| 02:19.58 | npt | so, just wondering |
| 02:20.00 | GeneralAntilles | No, it works. |
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| 02:20.12 | npt | looking on google for info as well |
| 02:20.15 | npt | thanks |
| 02:20.17 | npt | : ) |
| 02:20.27 | GeneralAntilles | Just a lot of applications aren't in the maemo repositories. |
| 02:20.31 | GeneralAntilles | So you have to add a ton of them. |
| 02:20.39 | GeneralAntilles | There's a list of them burried on maemo.org somewhere. |
| 02:20.46 | npt | thanks! |
| 02:20.48 | npt | : ) |
| 02:20.57 | npt | that's awesome to hear.. |
| 02:20.59 | SLi | Sleep... I guess I need to get a sleeping schedule (5:20 am here) -> |
| 02:21.18 | npt | heck yeah I can carry a full debian with me in my pocket |
| 02:21.24 | npt | i can take over the world! |
| 02:22.19 | npt | so, this 'red pill mode' is that easter egg true? |
| 02:22.39 | npt | i assume yes, by one of the above comments about 'blue pill mode' |
| 02:23.30 | SLi | Hm, blue pill is the non-default one, I think. I never remember which way they are anyway so please don't take my word for it. |
| 02:23.49 | SLi | I wish they had named the modes less geekily :p |
| 02:25.19 | SLi | Hm, full Debian. I started to think, with bt keyboard and bt mouse you could possibly run something like kde or gnome on it if you wanted to. |
| 02:25.28 | SLi | But then you lose a lot of the mobility. |
| 02:26.12 | npt | i want to get a foldable small bt keyboard |
| 02:26.20 | npt | that will be nice :) |
| 02:26.31 | GeneralAntilles | Go watch the Matrix again, SLi. :P |
| 02:26.36 | GeneralAntilles | Red-pill is the non-default |
| 02:26.37 | npt | you want to take the red pill |
| 02:26.37 | Dretches | does a BT mouse work? |
| 02:26.45 | GeneralAntilles | 99% of the time you want to keep it on blue-pill |
| 02:26.46 | GeneralAntilles | No, Dregz. |
| 02:27.06 | GeneralAntilles | red-pill just shows you extra packages which you don't really need to install |
| 02:27.11 | GeneralAntilles | and are more likely to fuck up your device. |
| 02:27.17 | npt | like what? |
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| 02:40.12 | GeneralAntilles | Fun times with Crappy Cable. |
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| 03:31.01 | j_ck | just for the record - n800 is again up and running. The trick was to remove the battery for 10secs, and it booted normaly. Wouldn't expect that trick to work |
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| 03:31.17 | |R | what happened? |
| 03:31.27 | j_ck | it just stoped working. plain dead |
| 03:32.38 | j_ck | the last thing i did to it was to lock the touch screen, and after that it made no sign of life until I toke out the battery |
| 03:32.56 | j_ck | *toke == took |
| 03:39.28 | GeneralAntilles | Did you press the power button to unlock it? :\ |
| 03:42.37 | |R | hehe |
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| 03:57.00 | j_ck | GeneralAntilles, yes, several times, but that won't do the trick |
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| 04:34.14 | tranqil | has anyone changed hildon navigator plugins on the n800? |
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| 04:54.52 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:58.43 | VimSi | |R: nice work ;) |
| 05:00.10 | lopz | bye |
| 05:00.14 | GeneralAntilles | Lot of new users lately. |
| 05:00.22 | GeneralAntilles | Hopefully some of them are devs. |
| 05:00.35 | |R | hehe |
| 05:01.36 | |R | there is no | caracter in the onscreen keyboard or am i mad? |
| 05:02.20 | GeneralAntilles | It's in one of the accent panels |
| 05:02.24 | GeneralAntilles | Which is retarded |
| 05:02.30 | |R | only in the thumb mode though |
| 05:02.46 | |R | ah no ok |
| 05:02.52 | |R | weird |
| 05:02.53 | |R | hehe |
| 05:03.09 | GeneralAntilles | In stylus it's accents - > symbols middle right |
| 05:06.10 | |R | so i'll be able to video chat with someone soon :P |
| 05:06.20 | |R | Is the Instant messaging client the one with video? |
| 05:06.31 | |R | (i used pidgin up till now because i was alone with my cam ;) |
| 05:06.39 | npt | how do i get root on the xterminal so I can apt-get update? |
| 05:07.22 | |R | npt : sudo su - ? ssh root@localhost ? |
| 05:07.40 | npt | but i don't know the password to the n800 |
| 05:07.49 | |R | have you installed ssh? |
| 05:07.57 | npt | yes |
| 05:08.06 | |R | ok, the default is root / rootme |
| 05:08.15 | |R | change it ;) |
| 05:08.15 | npt | thanks a lot |
| 05:08.15 | _Monkey | |R: that doesn't look right |
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| 05:09.27 | npt | |R that didn't work |
| 05:09.32 | npt | at least not sudo su |
| 05:09.32 | czr | sudo gainroot |
| 05:10.52 | npt | czr: I do that, and it says to enable RD mode to break my device |
| 05:11.02 | npt | do i have to do the red pill thing first? |
| 05:11.14 | czr | ah. |
| 05:11.18 | |R | hehe |
| 05:11.19 | czr | or |
| 05:11.22 | |R | just go with ssh |
| 05:11.23 | czr | you could install sshd |
| 05:11.29 | czr | then login as root@device |
| 05:11.32 | czr | using pwd rootme |
| 05:11.37 | npt | already did |
| 05:11.37 | npt | ok |
| 05:11.39 | npt | just sec |
| 05:11.40 | |R | and then add the sudo line to /etc/sudoers you can find on maemo.org guides or other places |
| 05:11.52 | |R | then you ll be able to sudo su - |
| 05:12.11 | |R | (oh and set a passwd for "user" i think, otherwise it won't work) |
| 05:12.17 | |R | uh no |
| 05:12.19 | |R | scrap the last line ;) |
| 05:12.20 | npt | thanks! |
| 05:12.27 | |R | just sudoers should do |
| 05:12.42 | |R | user ALL = (ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 05:12.42 | |R | root ALL = (ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 05:12.50 | |R | this, to the end of the file.. |
| 05:13.32 | czr | hmh. I wonder what has caused all the sudden increase in intrest for snmp/graphviz/network/topology-tools in google |
| 05:13.46 | czr | getting hit by that. not too badly, but more than normally. |
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| 05:24.31 | Andy80 | hi |
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| 05:38.12 | |R | woah, my friend got his n800 tonight by the ncix special sale... and they're all gone now (sold out!) |
| 05:39.30 | GeneralAntilles | $$? |
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| 05:54.24 | |R | was 275$... tonight at 250$ CAD .. and now 329$ ... go figure :) |
| 05:55.44 | Rask330 | o.O |
| 05:55.51 | Rask330 | I got mine for $230 at buy.com |
| 05:55.56 | Rask330 | (USD) |
| 05:58.44 | Andy80 | Rask330: I wish they shipped also outside USA :( |
| 05:58.52 | Andy80 | (I live in Italy) |
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| 05:59.20 | Rask330 | What about amazon? They were pretty cheap too, I seem to remember... |
| 05:59.36 | Andy80 | they don't sheep hardware to Italy too -__- |
| 05:59.43 | Andy80 | only books! |
| 05:59.49 | Andy80 | I already tried |
| 06:00.55 | Rask330 | :( |
| 06:01.15 | Rask330 | Import/export laws are well beyond my skill to comprehend... |
| 06:02.44 | Andy80 | it would be great if I could buy from USA in this way.... 1$ = 1,40 € |
| 06:02.50 | Andy80 | :) |
| 06:03.26 | Rask330 | Yeah, the US dollar is just... embarrassing right now. |
| 06:03.41 | Andy80 | but... in this case Apple sucks: 1$ = 1€ !!! :( |
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| 06:05.31 | Rask330 | It just makes me sad-- when I last went to europe several years back, one US dollar was equal to one Euro. |
| 06:05.47 | Rask330 | I should've converted all my savings into Euro XD |
| 06:05.59 | Rask330 | I'd have made a ton of money >.< |
| 06:06.17 | Rask330 | 140% is nothing to sneeze at.. |
| 06:08.17 | Andy80 | well... don't be so sad after all... you know what is the medium salary here :) ??? |
| 06:08.55 | Rask330 | What is it? |
| 06:09.00 | Rask330 | Though, I have nothing to compare it to... |
| 06:09.43 | Andy80 | assuming you work for 40 hours weekly, you can earn from 850€ to 1000€ at month! |
| 06:09.56 | Andy80 | this is the salary of the 60-70% people here -__- |
| 06:10.04 | czr | pre-tax? |
| 06:10.14 | Andy80 | already taxed.... |
| 06:10.21 | czr | ah. |
| 06:10.33 | Andy80 | I think it's not so much... |
| 06:10.47 | czr | in finland the average would be closer to 1900 or smt close |
| 06:11.27 | czr | people working in it generally get more than the average though. |
| 06:11.30 | Rask330 | Is that country-wide? |
| 06:11.35 | roope | the average wage in 2005 in finland is 2500 euro. |
| 06:11.42 | czr | roope, yeah, pre-tax |
| 06:11.49 | roope | yes. after-tax 1705 euro. |
| 06:11.51 | roope | says Tilastokeskus. |
| 06:11.59 | czr | ah, cool. thanks for the rectification |
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| 06:12.00 | Rask330 | Hm.. |
| 06:12.07 | Andy80 | roope: it's still so much for me :) |
| 06:12.25 | Rask330 | I'm trying to find out what it is for the US... but I only have breakdowns by city, state, or profession.. |
| 06:12.46 | roope | Probably ... Well, yes, it's an interesting question. |
| 06:12.50 | roope | The spread is probably much wider. |
| 06:12.52 | Andy80 | off course there is also people here that earn 2.000 / 2.500 € but they manage a small-medium company or they are consultant... |
| 06:12.55 | czr | it is |
| 06:13.15 | Rask330 | The median annual salary in Pennsylvania is USD 56066 == EUR 39306... |
| 06:13.51 | Rask330 | =3276/month |
| 06:13.56 | Rask330 | But that's before taxes. |
| 06:14.05 | roope | And before things like medical insurance etc. :) |
| 06:14.18 | Andy80 | Rask330: how much are the taxes there :) ??? here is about 50% !!!! |
| 06:14.36 | Rask330 | I'm not really in a good position to tell you-- I'm a student now so I don't work full time x) |
| 06:14.48 | Andy80 | I'm a student too at the moment... |
| 06:14.55 | Andy80 | and belive me... it's not easy! |
| 06:15.45 | c0ffee | i doubt it's 50% taxes |
| 06:15.53 | c0ffee | it's a common misconception |
| 06:15.57 | Andy80 | a student here has to pay a lot of things.... annual university tax (about 1.000 euros.... ok ok... I know that USA univerities are more expensive :) ), you have to pay for transport ecc.... |
| 06:16.04 | c0ffee | normally, a big part is deduced for insurances etc |
| 06:16.09 | c0ffee | but that aren't taxes |
| 06:18.04 | Rask330 | My tuition is something like... 18000 to 20000 a year. |
| 06:18.08 | Andy80 | c0ffee: belive me... if I started to work again, earnng 8-900 euros/month I won't be able to live alone. it's enough if you still live with your parents but it's not enough to live alone. the smallest apartment here costs about 450 €/month.... |
| 06:18.11 | Rask330 | (USD) |
| 06:20.07 | Andy80 | the problem here is that the 90% people that work in a own activity don't pay taxes! for example... if a consultant or a doctor earn 5.000€ he declares "I earned only 1.000"... understand the problem :) ?? |
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| 06:26.37 | Andy80 | (I left you without words :S ) |
| 06:26.57 | czr | we're too busy calling the policy and tax authorities, give us a sec. |
| 06:27.00 | czr | police even. |
| 06:27.23 | Andy80 | ahahha :D |
| 06:27.41 | Andy80 | you don't need to do it :) it's written, every day, on all newspaper :) |
| 06:28.03 | czr | we told them to ask you about your doctor and consultant friends :-) |
| 06:28.20 | Andy80 | :D |
| 06:29.08 | Andy80 | and I didn't mention the famous people :) |
| 06:29.28 | Andy80 | I think you read something about Valentino Rossi taxes issue :P |
| 06:29.50 | czr | ah, that's why he drives so fast |
| 06:29.55 | czr | to escape. |
| 06:30.10 | czr | poor man doesn't know that a race circuit isn't the best place to escape to. |
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| 06:30.35 | Andy80 | shortly... is it possible, with a complicated organization, to earn money here in Italy, to move your residence outside Italy and transfer money outside... |
| 06:30.45 | Andy80 | so he doesn't pay any taxes |
| 06:31.04 | czr | sure it's possible. |
| 06:31.15 | Andy80 | but he's not the only one that does it.... the 99,9999% of famous people here, does it. |
| 06:31.40 | czr | you need to become famous then :-) |
| 06:36.11 | Andy80 | mmm.... too complicated... I simply want to marry Paris Hilton :D |
| 06:36.48 | czr | well. become a maemo hacker then |
| 06:36.57 | czr | they get all the chicks/guys they want. so I hear. |
| 06:37.07 | Andy80 | :D |
| 06:37.37 | pupnik | Tommy Chong |
| 06:37.49 | Andy80 | I'm writing a simple howto that explain hot to install maemo sdk 4 beta... if it can help :) (I'm finishing writing it at the moment...) |
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| 06:39.10 | pupnik | http://youtube.com/watch?v=-lKfm8qA0CI Tommy Chong on Paris Hilton |
| 06:39.47 | Rask330 | Eeeww. |
| 06:39.56 | Rask330 | Andy80, you want to marry Paris Hilton? |
| 06:40.29 | Andy80 | Rask330: she's so pretty, she has a lot of money... why not :D ??? |
| 06:40.31 | czr | Rask330, he lives in italy. |
| 06:40.48 | czr | I guess paris is hot over there :-) |
| 06:40.50 | Rask330 | The money I can understand... buuut... eeeugh. |
| 06:41.20 | pupnik | you gotta see the youtube clip |
| 06:41.24 | Rask330 | She is emblematic of everything that is wrong with being too rich for your own good. c.c; |
| 06:41.48 | Rask330 | She's a spoiled-rotten brat and I hope she gets an STD. c.c; |
| 06:42.12 | czr | yes. I hope the IETF will name a standard after her as well! |
| 06:42.53 | c0ffee | i'd bet she already has a few stds |
| 06:43.57 | Andy80 | sdt = ? |
| 06:44.12 | c0ffee | sexually transmitable disease |
| 06:46.41 | czr | special tinkering device |
| 06:50.44 | Andy80 | ok... I finished the howto: http://www.ptlug.org/wiki/Howto_Installing_Maemo_SDK_4_Beta |
| 06:50.45 | timelyx | sdt = typo |
| 06:51.05 | Andy80 | I would be glad if you read it and submit me any error :) |
| 06:51.32 | czr | Andy80, you could always announce it on the devel list as well |
| 06:51.35 | czr | if it's good enough |
| 06:51.48 | Andy80 | and... if someone want to link/post on Planet Maemo I would be glad too |
| 06:51.49 | czr | at least it would be welcome change to the localization emails. |
| 06:51.57 | c0ffee | :) |
| 06:51.57 | Andy80 | ok, I'll submit on -devel ML now... |
| 06:53.43 | czr | Andy80, you can also add to the email, "Paris, if you're reading this, marry me!" |
| 06:53.49 | czr | never hurts to try you know. |
| 06:54.07 | czr | hmm. that would be a scary email signature. |
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| 06:54.49 | Andy80 | :D |
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| 06:55.53 | pupnik | Nice job Andy80 |
| 06:56.24 | Andy80 | pupnik: thanks |
| 06:56.54 | Andy80 | timelyx: you can fix them if you want :) it's a wiki! :) you only have to register to it |
| 06:57.14 | timelyx | i hate wikis and registration |
| 06:57.34 | Andy80 | ok, then send me a mail :) |
| 06:59.22 | Andy80 | czr: it would be nice to switch the interface from Hildon to... Hilton :D I think I'll submit this on bugzilla ;) |
| 06:59.41 | czr | you don't know how many times I mistyped that when i started with maemo |
| 06:59.46 | czr | way too many. |
| 07:00.24 | timelyx | Andy80: sent |
| 07:02.55 | Andy80 | thanks... I'm fixing them... |
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| 07:26.56 | timelyx | assuming ITOS2008 has a keyboard *grumble* |
| 07:27.08 | pupnik | oh noes kde? |
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| 07:28.32 | pupnik | i dunno if the maemo community can properly support both qt/gtk |
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| 07:30.55 | mk8 | Hi to all .... :) |
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| 07:43.23 | teprrr | which qt4 project are you talking about? |
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| 07:54.16 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 08:21.30 | Jaffa | maddler: ping |
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| 08:29.42 | AD-N770 | bon dia / good morning |
| 08:30.51 | Sho_ | timelyx: hm, qt4 project? |
| 08:31.25 | Jaffa | A random and intriguing (and, as he implies, worrying) comment from timelyx ther. |
| 08:34.05 | timely_changelog | heh |
| 08:34.23 | timely_changelog | i read the garage.maemo.org approval queue |
| 08:34.28 | pupnik | http://images.stage6.com/channel_images/refuselife/46b04019063ef.jpg DOS humor (sfw) |
| 08:34.33 | timely_changelog | so i see dumb requests before they're approved/rejected |
| 08:34.44 | Jaffa | pupnik: heh |
| 08:35.07 | Jaffa | timely_changelog: I'd hate to see the dumb requests which've been *rejected* ;-/ |
| 08:35.09 | timely_changelog | sho_: anyone can ask garage to host a project |
| 08:35.18 | timely_changelog | jaffa: i have a very short memory :) |
| 08:35.23 | timely_changelog | but my gmail box never forgets :) |
| 08:35.27 | disq | :) |
| 08:35.51 | flip^ | Is it actually possible to record video with a n800... I've seen evidence of it done, but can't find any software to actually do it? |
| 08:36.09 | timely_changelog | flip: i think someone hacked the Camera app to do it |
| 08:36.18 | Sho_ | timely_changelog: and the project in question is veto-worthy because it is related to qt4? |
| 08:36.23 | timely_changelog | sho: no |
| 08:36.42 | timely_changelog | i's veto worthy because it asserts that they don't need VKB support given the n810 has a keyboard |
| 08:36.52 | timely_changelog | even though ITOS2008 runs on n800s |
| 08:37.05 | Sho_ | timely_changelog: ah. yeah, I agree. |
| 08:37.15 | timely_changelog | and btw, i generally use my n810(proto) w/ the keyboard closed |
| 08:37.30 | timely_changelog | i only open it when i need to access the menu key while in full screen mode |
| 08:37.39 | disq | i need a tester with chinook final(-ish) or n810. just a quick install test |
| 08:37.43 | timely_changelog | otoh, that's arguably not as bad as |
| 08:37.51 | timely_changelog | [while locked and keyboard collapsed] |
| 08:37.56 | timely_changelog | 1. press hardware power button |
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| 08:38.05 | Sho_ | Since I don't see myself using the hardware keyboard a lot, I'm actually somewhat happy with the d-pad being moved away from the rim |
| 08:38.08 | timely_changelog | 1' press [square] to unlock |
| 08:38.09 | Sho_ | err |
| 08:38.12 | Sho_ | unhappy, that is |
| 08:38.24 | timely_changelog | 2. open keyboard to reach square |
| 08:38.32 | timely_changelog | 2' device unlocked |
| 08:38.45 | timely_changelog | 3. close keyboard (because device is unlocked) |
| 08:38.48 | timely_changelog | 3' device locked |
| 08:39.07 | timely_changelog | 4. arg, how do i unlock my device? (repeat from 1 ad infinitum if you like) |
| 08:40.37 | timely_changelog | anyone want to guess how to correctly achieve the goal? |
| 08:40.57 | inz | timely, tap on the screen while keyboard open |
| 08:40.58 | inz | ;P |
| 08:41.08 | timely_changelog | inz: does that work? |
| 08:41.17 | inz | timely, it should |
| 08:41.19 | Jaffa | Isn't there some kind of lock button on the top of the device now? |
| 08:41.37 | disq | it should cancel the auto-lock-me flag |
| 08:41.43 | timely_changelog | jaffa: the one in the protos is a gag, afaict |
| 08:41.51 | timely_changelog | but yes, shipping versions have a working one |
| 08:42.17 | timely_changelog | disq/inz: no one considered adding an info banner for this? |
| 08:42.33 | timely_changelog | and did anyone consider that the tray migh open in my pocket |
| 08:42.40 | timely_changelog | and would probably have the screen bumped... |
| 08:42.47 | inz | timely, the "lock key" is the primary trigger on n810 |
| 08:43.19 | disq | i'm not affiliated with nokia/osso man |
| 08:44.45 | timely_changelog | sorry |
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| 08:45.09 | disq | :) why, no need to be |
| 08:45.52 | timely_changelog | inz: lol |
| 08:47.46 | inz | tha tab? |
| 08:48.06 | timely_changelog | my t key is flakey, 'that' |
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| 09:25.50 | disq | ooh sardine has a sdk bootlogo now |
| 09:26.44 | disq | i think it doesn't have ssh tho. when i try to install ssh it tries to remove some "core" packages |
| 09:27.18 | timely_changelog | nice |
| 09:28.41 | disq | mm. latest doesn't have terminal or connectivity. or i messed up the upgrade |
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| 09:36.04 | timely_changelog | sp3000: your changes are official :), thanks |
| 09:37.45 | disq | i got to install xterm. still, all the tray plugins are gone. all the cp applets except screen calibration is gone. weird. maybe the new ones are not up due to the chinook roll yet |
| 09:38.45 | timely_changelog | ok, i think i know how i want my get_sardine script to work |
| 09:39.19 | disq | i just do apt-get upgrade and then see the kept back packages and install them manually (and their deps) until all are installed |
| 09:39.35 | timely_changelog | you're installing binaries |
| 09:39.38 | timely_changelog | i'm grabbing sources |
| 09:39.41 | disq | there's probably a flag for an easier way but never got around to finding it |
| 09:40.43 | timely_changelog | sp3000: how does this look: |
| 09:40.49 | timely_changelog | if test -z "SKIPOPEN"; then |
| 09:40.54 | timely_changelog | $PRINT deb http://repository.maemo.org/sardine unstable main non-free >> $SRCLST |
| 09:41.02 | timely_changelog | $PRINT deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/sardine unstable main non-free >> $SR |
| 09:41.02 | timely_changelog | CLST |
| 09:41.06 | disq | on another note, xephyr inside Xvnc is acting up, I only see the green channel in my chinook beta sdk :) still can test stuff, just not as colorful |
| 09:41.10 | timely_changelog | #(oops) |
| 09:41.17 | timely_changelog | fi |
| 09:41.22 | timely_changelog | if test "$CLOSED"; then |
| 09:41.24 | timely_changelog | #... |
| 09:41.26 | timely_changelog | fi |
| 09:42.13 | disq | so the microb start page is final now, eh :) |
| 09:42.23 | timely_changelog | disq: yes |
| 09:42.31 | timely_changelog | at least for the next 2 weeks |
| 09:42.51 | timely_changelog | i want sp3000 to give us another refresh for the next beta |
| 09:43.15 | disq | neat |
| 09:43.50 | timely_changelog | wow |
| 09:43.59 | timely_changelog | microsoft knows that ff2.0.0.8 is latest |
| 09:44.21 | timely_changelog | http://wer.microsoft.com/responses/Response.aspx/1778/en-us/5.1.2600.2.00010100.2.0?SGD=e337878d-0beb-4adb-a87f-48f0b369e5c8 |
| 09:44.54 | disq | careful, could be a trick :P |
| 09:45.10 | timely_changelog | link looks correct |
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| 09:58.50 | timely_changelog | sp3000: http://swift/sardine-20071025/source/ |
| 09:59.24 | timely_changelog | (anyone who can read that, can you tell me if anything there is smelly?) |
| 09:59.55 | timely_changelog | fwiw, openssh did end up in that list... |
| 10:01.39 | disq | http://swift/ is smelly |
| 10:01.47 | timely_changelog | yes, well |
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| 10:19.25 | inz | timely, can't open glimpse index-file |
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| 10:22.04 | timely_changelog | yes, it's building the index now :( |
| 10:22.26 | timely_changelog | sorry, that's an expesnive operation, it should be done in hrmm... how big is sardine? |
| 10:22.49 | timely_changelog | 1gb, give it 10-15mins? |
| 10:22.51 | Jiten | ok, I had n800 with x terminal open, with the shell in /media/mmc2, also, I had the keyboard locked, well, I forgot about the shell and plug in the usb cable. now the damn thing won't unlock :/ |
| 10:22.58 | timely_changelog | for the search, maybe another 30 for the xref |
| 10:23.35 | Jiten | won't register the second button in the unlock combination |
| 10:23.53 | timely_changelog | jiten: ouch |
| 10:24.16 | Jiten | I guess this dialog is blocking it and it's blocking the dialog ok-button |
| 10:24.32 | Jiten | and to top it all, I had it in offline mode. |
| 10:24.37 | timely_changelog | heh |
| 10:25.03 | Jiten | I can't even shut it down ... I guess I have to remove the battery |
| 10:25.30 | timely_changelog | 5s on power button doesn't work? |
| 10:25.53 | Jiten | no reaction, besides asking for the second button of the unlock mechanism |
| 10:28.08 | Jiten | well, at least it seems to work after booting it up again. |
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| 10:29.59 | Jiten | I guess there is some signal programs should react to when the system wants to detach the SD-cards? |
| 10:31.10 | Jaffa | yep |
| 10:33.30 | Jiten | I'll file a bug when I have time ... if I remember. |
| 10:35.21 | vladan | hi all. Scratchbox/maemo on Fedora seems to be not so good combo, right? I can't get maemo 4.0 beta to install... |
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| 10:38.58 | vladan | can anyone help me? Setting up libgtk2.0-bin seems to fail. |
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| 10:54.18 | pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpAj0jHglGw OpenGL cell shading on handheld PowerVR device |
| 10:54.57 | Jaffa | Very nice. Don't hold your breath. |
| 10:55.35 | pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkx18kruRJs another one |
| 10:57.18 | Jaffa | That says it's running on a Linux 2.6 kernel. Of course, we'd still be screwed by the video bandwidth AIUI |
| 10:57.40 | gla55 | nice |
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| 11:02.25 | pupnik | It's a handmade unit, with an ARM11 cpu and OpenGL ES 1.1 |
| 11:03.13 | pupnik | i.mx31 |
| 11:05.41 | gla55 | was wondering about that |
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| 11:18.11 | pupnik | Markus Tremmel, worldwide OMAP ecosystem manager at Texas Instruments Inc spills the beans! "The processor runs at 550 MHz, versus 330 MHz for OMAP2 processors." http://www.eetimes.eu/germany/202404799 |
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| 11:25.59 | Jaffa | mediaserv 0.03 should have MythTV and Freevo support :-) MythTV is easier than I expected |
| 11:26.11 | pupnik | nice |
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| 11:54.24 | lopz | buenos dias |
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| 12:33.22 | alterego | Interesting. |
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| 13:08.55 | alterego | Appearantly ARM are fronting their own mobile OS based on Gnome mobile technologies. |
| 13:09.04 | pupnik_ | these guys do beautiful work with procedural textures http://www.theprodukkt.com/debris |
| 13:09.04 | alterego | (and Linux) |
| 13:09.11 | pupnik_ | access? |
| 13:09.30 | alterego | Meant for next generation phones though it seems. |
| 13:09.36 | flip^ | they're the guys that did the 64k demo that i was very impressed by iirc pupnik_ |
| 13:09.57 | flip^ | first time someone used directx in a 64k demo iirc |
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| 13:14.14 | pupnik_ | yeah |
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| 13:15.21 | pupnik_ | I am excited about lsystems (procedural plants) and procedural landscape modeling as well. |
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| 13:15.43 | pupnik_ | Xfrog sells beautiful procedural plant software |
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| 13:16.38 | pupnik_ | These procedural textures would be nice for homebrew 3D games on portables |
| 13:22.07 | alterego | Procedural generating in Games is awesome. |
| 13:22.12 | alterego | ~generation .. |
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| 13:22.57 | pupnik_ | Yeah i really liked arena/daggerfall. Though both could have used some more variation. |
| 13:23.04 | Tak | TES++ |
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| 13:23.21 | gla55 | daggerfall was fun |
| 13:23.27 | pupnik_ | Also you might recall Starflight and Star Control 2, which had nice procedural planets. |
| 13:23.29 | solmumaha | daggerfall <3 |
| 13:23.34 | gla55 | aaa starflight :) |
| 13:23.47 | alterego | I used to be very into game development. Then I stopped playing games and just kind of did things I felt like doing. |
| 13:23.50 | gla55 | starflight should run with dosbox, no? |
| 13:24.08 | pupnik_ | haven't tested, but it ran on 4.77mhz PCs |
| 13:24.25 | alterego | 4.7 Mhz?! |
| 13:24.27 | gla55 | pupnik_: one shouldn't forget frontier or frontier:first encounters either |
| 13:24.29 | pupnik_ | I still have the 5.25 starflight disks. |
| 13:24.34 | gla55 | i've lost mine |
| 13:24.36 | pupnik_ | didn't play them |
| 13:24.50 | gla55 | played on a 8mhz |
| 13:25.49 | gla55 | frontier was awesome.. with it's whole planets |
| 13:29.57 | wumpus | yeah frontier was a very nice game :) |
| 13:30.06 | wumpus | also buggy, but still |
| 13:30.35 | alterego | Frontier, was that Elite II ? |
| 13:31.15 | solmumaha | pupnik_: have you tried daggerfall with dosbox on pc? |
| 13:32.26 | alterego | Nice to see the chinook documentation section is growing. |
| 13:33.09 | gla55 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:33.17 | gla55 | frontier: elita II was official title iirc |
| 13:33.23 | gla55 | elite |
| 13:33.33 | alterego | Right |
| 13:33.35 | gla55 | shame about the few bugs though |
| 13:33.40 | pupnik_ | solmumaha: yes - got tired of the endless dungeons though |
| 13:33.47 | gla55 | and it left you to want mooooreeee of course |
| 13:33.50 | solmumaha | but it works ok? |
| 13:34.12 | alterego | Hmm .. |
| 13:34.18 | pupnik_ | yes dosbox fixed the dynarec incompatibility with daggerfall around 2003-2004 |
| 13:34.31 | solmumaha | i tried it on my wifes xp, it had bad control problems |
| 13:35.03 | pupnik_ | did you see math/3d tile-mapping errors? |
| 13:35.12 | solmumaha | good to know, must try it on my macbook someday |
| 13:35.42 | solmumaha | no, only control problems, ran it natively |
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| 14:06.02 | cosmo | anyone know how to debug a library that has external debugging symbols (in -dbg.deb)? |
| 14:08.41 | mgedmin | install the -dbg.deb |
| 14:08.58 | mgedmin | gdb knows to look for debugging symbols in /usr/lib/debug/ |
| 14:13.58 | cosmo | for some reason it doesn't |
| 14:14.32 | cosmo | bt prints only lines like #0 0xb7ad16b4 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libxxXxxx.so.0 |
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| 14:14.57 | cosmo | the debug files exist in /usr/lib/debug/ |
| 14:16.45 | mgedmin | and you have libxxXxxx-dbg installed? |
| 14:17.02 | mgedmin | maybe 0xb7ad16b4 is not a valid address |
| 14:17.15 | mgedmin | is this on arm or on x86? |
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| 14:17.40 | mgedmin | iirc you need special gcc flags on arm to get debuggable code |
| 14:17.54 | cosmo | x86 |
| 14:18.41 | cosmo | and the debugging package is installed (it installs the files in /usr/lib/debug/) |
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| 14:28.09 | oyvind | hello, are there a intigrated firewall on maemo? |
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| 14:31.33 | oyvind | so i can log into my bank edeting my account etc. |
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| 14:32.03 | zoran | oyvind, do you think "iptables"? |
| 14:34.09 | oyvind | Not sure if iptables is included on maemo, i dont own an n800 or so, just doing some research. If so, is iptables preconfigured |
| 14:34.36 | zoran | hm, yes and no |
| 14:34.49 | zoran | and I have 770 |
| 14:37.40 | oyvind | I use linux, but not so long so i dont have very big commandline skills, is it hard work configuring iptables or are there tools that can do all the work, like firestarter or guarddog? |
| 14:39.31 | zoran | my opinion is that iptables on this gadget is not intended to work as classical firewall. It should stop and continue traffic of/from the device. works fine for stateless traffic. No nat and conntrack modules. so, no stateful. |
| 14:42.30 | oyvind | ok, thanks |
| 14:42.48 | zoran | np |
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| 14:45.45 | zpol | hi |
| 14:45.45 | _Monkey | bonjour, zpol |
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| 14:49.41 | Jaffa | Screenshot of mediaserv's (in-progress) Freevo & MythTV recording support: http://www.bleb.org/software/maemo/mediaserv3.png |
| 14:50.34 | cosmo | Jaffa: excellent |
| 14:51.06 | keesj | the IT crowd rulez |
| 14:52.46 | Jaffa | Indeed it does :) |
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| 15:00.45 | keesj | I really wonder how many open-source developers there are and how many are wanting to spend time on maemo |
| 15:02.08 | ||cw | Jaffa: with your first version I wasn't able to stream anything to the 770's player |
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| 15:02.58 | ||cw | and I wasn't able to save to mmc until it had finished encoding, it would always stop part way through |
| 15:03.53 | Jaffa | ||cw: that should be fixed - there was a rather obvious bug. Although I don't have an IT OS 2006 device to test with. Apparently the current version works very well with IT OS 2007HE |
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| 15:22.22 | playya2 | hello everybody |
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| 15:25.35 | ||cw | Jaffa: 770-encode also messes up sound, not sure why because when i use mencoder manualy it works fine |
| 15:31.52 | pupnik_ | keesj - not counting the anonymous workerbees at Nokia, it feels like around 100 to me. |
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| 15:37.14 | Jaffa | ||cw: on what platform? Any obvious differences between your mencoder line and the one 770-encode logs? Obviously that's a bug I'd like to fix... |
| 15:37.50 | ||cw | Jaffa: for the audio part, no, I even added a new preset that should match mine |
| 15:38.06 | ||cw | I didn't spend much time with it though |
| 15:38.43 | Jaffa | THis on a mac? |
| 15:38.49 | ||cw | ubuntu 7.10 |
| 15:38.56 | Jaffa | Damn... same as me. |
| 15:39.04 | Jaffa | Using Ubuntu's own mencoder? |
| 15:39.07 | Jaffa | x86? |
| 15:39.08 | ||cw | yeah |
| 15:40.15 | pupnik_ | i agree first place to look would be differences in mencoder line |
| 15:40.59 | Jaffa | Yeah. ||cw: if you get chance and wouldn't mind running it again, I'd love a copy of the output from 770-encode and your mencoder invocation directly. |
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| 15:41.28 | edistar | I have a problem installing python2.5 it just tells me that the installation file is broken |
| 15:42.35 | edistar | can anyone help me with that? |
| 15:43.56 | pupnik | i vaguely remember hearing about a package incompatibility with python, but did not pay attention |
| 15:44.02 | edistar | ok |
| 15:44.09 | ||cw | edistar: are you using the instructions form the garage site? |
| 15:44.22 | edistar | from pymaemo.garage.maemo.org |
| 15:45.03 | ||cw | hm, that worked for me |
| 15:45.13 | ||cw | installed the base first right? |
| 15:45.35 | ||cw | and removed the 2.4 stuff? |
| 15:45.52 | edistar | I didn't have 2.4 on |
| 15:46.18 | edistar | I clicked on base installer and it added repository.maemo.org bora free non-free |
| 15:46.30 | edistar | and then I clicked on the next one, python 2.5 installed |
| 15:46.34 | edistar | *installer |
| 15:48.25 | edistar | itit dit doesn't tell me whats wrong |
| 15:49.21 | edistar | oh sry, ignore the first bit.. |
| 15:49.42 | edistar | it only tells me that the installation file is not intact |
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| 15:51.57 | pupnik | application installer has a 'log' under one of the menus |
| 15:52.01 | edistar | ok |
| 15:52.04 | edistar | I'll check that |
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| 15:56.23 | edistar | it tells me failed to fetch python2.5-dbus...armel.deb: Size mismatch |
| 15:56.50 | edistar | and then the same but with python2.5-gnome...armel.deb: Size mismatch aswell |
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| 16:05.00 | Jaffa | What an odd email to maemo-dev |
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| 16:09.02 | czr | Jaffa, the client/server one? |
| 16:09.23 | czr | I guess someone hasn't quite grasped the concept of socket programming quite yet. |
| 16:10.22 | Jaffa | Yes, but the other one from Sampo. Reads like a reply to a personal email - I had to double check the original wasn't. |
| 16:14.24 | czr | hmm. didn't get the one from sampo yet. got the one from tripti |
| 16:14.33 | Tak | "QEMU: stack overflow, aborting" |
| 16:14.58 | Tak | alterego: did you build a rake package? |
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| 16:17.51 | sciboy | Hey is there any wiki-style software available for the N800? (And if possible my desktop) |
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| 16:19.07 | Tak | web browser? ;-) |
| 16:19.40 | Jaffa | microb & TiddlyWiki |
| 16:20.01 | sciboy | Never been hot on Tiddly, but I'll keep it in mind if I can't find an alternative. |
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| 16:22.32 | alterego | Tak, nope. |
| 16:23.54 | alterego | II'll need to if I plan to build more extensions |
| 16:26.20 | Tak | did you hear anything from the current garage ruby maintainer? |
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| 16:27.59 | alterego | Nope |
| 16:28.16 | alterego | I've not actually spoken to him yet :) |
| 16:32.01 | ||cw | Jaffa: hm, something seems ot have gone wrong with my mencoder or lame with my 7.04 to 7.10 update |
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| 16:40.08 | Jaffa | ||cw: so mencoder's fubar too now? |
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| 16:49.23 | czr | Jaffa, got sampos message finally. indeed, seems like he thought it was a private one :-) |
| 16:49.32 | czr | at least the response seems to indicate that |
| 16:52.06 | Mekin_reloaded | ||cw: mencoder-mp3 problem: try to edit the file codecs.conf in the dir /etc/mplayer/ - set the 'audiocodec mad' entry before the 'audiocodec mp3' |
| 16:52.40 | keesj | tak i fixed the stack overflow in qemu when building ruby packages once |
| 16:52.40 | ||cw | Mekin_reloaded: I'll give that a shot, thanks |
| 16:52.49 | ||cw | Jaffa: yeah |
| 16:53.14 | Tak | keesj: removing the huge amount of unit tests from one of the targets fixed it |
| 16:54.41 | keesj | i was an option in qemu to increase the stack size. anyway . you worked around it |
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| 16:58.59 | Bobbywaz | is there anyone around that can help? I google'd the shit out of my problem but can't get an answer |
| 16:59.12 | Bobbywaz | when I plug in my n800 in xp it says device not recognized |
| 16:59.18 | Bobbywaz | in multiple computers |
| 17:00.03 | Bobbywaz | it seems something went askew with the mmc drivers |
| 17:00.19 | czr | Bobbywaz, what size of mmc you have? |
| 17:00.26 | Bobbywaz | I installed maemo-dm, the usb networking app, but never really used it, I tried disabling it and that didn't work |
| 17:00.50 | Bobbywaz | I have the newest firmware with a 8gb sdhc and a 2gb sd, I tried it without the sdhc in the unit, still didn't work |
| 17:00.50 | Tak | goddamnit, my 770's in infinite-nokia-screen cycle again |
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| 17:02.15 | ||cw | Bobbywaz: are all applications closed? |
| 17:03.19 | Bobbywaz | ye |
| 17:03.20 | Bobbywaz | s |
| 17:03.29 | Bobbywaz | and I tried uninstalling maemo-dm |
| 17:03.35 | Bobbywaz | same problem |
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| 17:04.22 | Bobbywaz | alright, screw this. I'll flash it |
| 17:04.34 | Bobbywaz | I just need to learn how to flash it correctly, cause I don't want to be doing this every week |
| 17:05.41 | Bobbywaz | I guess R&D mode is what I need to do.. |
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| 17:10.10 | Bobbywaz | egh, I don't want to flash again |
| 17:10.13 | Bobbywaz | no one has any idea? |
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| 17:26.53 | thiagoss-away | I'd like to send a message to the dbus to deactivate the headphone, using python, can anyone help me ? |
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| 17:29.54 | Tak | huzzah! |
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| 17:30.05 | Tak | successful deb build of rubygame :-D |
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| 17:34.14 | alterego | :) |
| 17:34.19 | alterego | I have libsdl |
| 17:34.25 | alterego | It's part of ruby-maemo |
| 17:34.45 | Tak | rubygame is more than just sdl bindings, though |
| 17:34.53 | alterego | Yeah I know. |
| 17:35.14 | Tak | biggest pita was building rake and rubygems |
| 17:35.38 | alterego | I won't bother with ruby gems. |
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| 17:36.20 | Tak | Rakefile:1:require 'rubygems' :-/ |
| 17:36.26 | alterego | Heh |
| 17:36.58 | alterego | Good luck using gems on a real device :P |
| 17:37.08 | Tak | nah, that was just to build |
| 17:37.20 | alterego | Unless you like lots of tea breaks. |
| 17:37.52 | Tak | it's a build-dep, not a dep ;-) |
| 17:38.24 | alterego | context.rpc.run(:application => 'osso_browser', :method => 'load_uri', :arguments => ['google.co.uk']) |
| 17:38.25 | alterego | :) |
| 17:39.06 | alterego | I've almost finished documenting libosso. |
| 17:39.26 | Tak | nice |
| 17:39.38 | czr | application? |
| 17:40.00 | alterego | Yes, it's used to choose between a call with defaults or not. |
| 17:40.02 | czr | ah. you're passing that directly to libosso |
| 17:40.31 | czr | of trust me, I know. just wondered for a moment why you called it application and not service or well-known name. but then realized that the name comes from libosso api :-) |
| 17:40.48 | alterego | context.rpc.run does: run, run_async and run/async_run-with-defaults |
| 17:41.04 | czr | alterego, you know of any documentation on all the d-bus stuffs available so far? a nice single list. |
| 17:41.06 | alterego | Ah yes |
| 17:41.15 | alterego | No, not really :/ |
| 17:41.18 | czr | me neither |
| 17:41.25 | alterego | There's libdbus API documentation |
| 17:41.29 | czr | I added emulation of the device mode in the material though |
| 17:41.34 | czr | that's not what I mean |
| 17:41.39 | czr | I mean stuff like osso_browser and such |
| 17:41.45 | alterego | Ah, no. |
| 17:41.55 | alterego | I'd love a service API .. |
| 17:42.02 | czr | service api? |
| 17:42.05 | czr | or you mean reference? |
| 17:42.14 | alterego | API reference :P |
| 17:42.20 | czr | indeed. |
| 17:42.26 | czr | me too. it doesn't exist. yet. |
| 17:42.38 | czr | I almost generated one hoping I could get enough stuff using d-bus introspection |
| 17:42.46 | alterego | I suppose now the browser is OSS and not Opera at least that's one element easily checked off :) |
| 17:42.55 | czr | but the available d-bus trinkets hide their introspection stuff on purpose. |
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| 17:43.09 | czr | which is slightly PITA and a shame. |
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| 17:43.13 | alterego | Yeah, Introspection has to be added at the application level I believe. |
| 17:43.28 | alterego | Like, you don't register a method. You just register an interface/object |
| 17:43.29 | czr | it comes automatically if you use glib/d-bus bindings (more or less) |
| 17:43.46 | alterego | Yes, the glib-dbus bindings are quite nice. |
| 17:43.54 | czr | ergh. no they're not :-) |
| 17:44.05 | alterego | I have no dbus bindings for ruby :/ |
| 17:44.13 | czr | doesn't ruby have any? |
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| 17:47.54 | alterego | Erm, no. Ruby doesn't have any decent DBus extension. |
| 17:47.58 | alterego | It has one that just uses dbus-send :/ |
| 17:48.03 | czr | urgh |
| 17:48.08 | czr | how come? |
| 17:48.11 | alterego | I was thinking of doing it. |
| 17:48.18 | alterego | But it's a _huge_ task :S |
| 17:48.35 | alterego | Making a proper OO DBus API for Ruby would be very nice though. |
| 17:48.45 | alterego | With automatic introspection too of course ;) |
| 17:48.48 | czr | I'd think someone had thought about doing it already, not? |
| 17:48.58 | czr | automatic instrospection is kind of useless at least in maemo |
| 17:49.03 | alterego | It doesn't appear so. I spend quite a while looking. |
| 17:49.07 | czr | as per above whining. |
| 17:49.12 | czr | interesting. |
| 17:49.13 | alterego | Yeah |
| 17:49.21 | czr | I've yet to play with the python bindings properly. |
| 17:49.44 | czr | not that I ever got python to play nice in bora to start with |
| 17:50.30 | alterego | What problems did you have? |
| 17:51.09 | czr | using extras messed up some stuff I was working on. and the libdbus bindings in extras for python are for a newer version than is available on bora |
| 17:51.19 | czr | so it kind of was funky. |
| 17:51.37 | czr | didn't spent too much time playing with it, decided to make a proper vmware image of bora sdk instead |
| 17:51.51 | alterego | Kewl |
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| 17:56.27 | czr | the image came out quite nicely |
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| 17:57.00 | czr | everything just works, boots very fast, is very light and small too, both sides of sdk are preconfigured, networking works even when you're using dhcp on the host, and so on |
| 17:57.25 | Tak | both sides? |
| 17:57.30 | czr | x86 and arm |
| 17:57.33 | Tak | ah |
| 17:57.44 | Tak | I always forget, because I never use the x86 target |
| 17:57.54 | czr | ah yes. it also contains magical glue to support running xephyr outside the vm (over ssh) |
| 17:58.36 | czr | so that one can leave the vm running on vmware server on another host and just forget about the vmware frontend to the vm. |
| 17:59.26 | alterego | Cool. |
| 17:59.35 | alterego | I might be able to use that .. |
| 17:59.39 | czr | the whole thing ended up being ~550 MiB compressed |
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| 18:00.16 | alterego | Running scratchbox in a VM on one of my servers would be super handy. I could just ssh in and out. Use screen. |
| 18:00.23 | czr | sure |
| 18:00.34 | czr | that's how I run scratchbox ever since |
| 18:00.40 | alterego | Even develop _on_ a tablet ;) |
| 18:00.40 | lopz | hola |
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| 18:00.48 | czr | don't want to pollute my main desktop with sbox cruftyness |
| 18:00.52 | alterego | How does VMWare server work? |
| 18:01.03 | Jaffa | czr: going to do a chinook version? |
| 18:01.12 | czr | alterego, it's a client server arch. the server executes the vms. then you use the client to connect to it. |
| 18:01.17 | czr | Jaffa, yes. |
| 18:01.23 | alterego | That sounds really awesome. |
| 18:01.28 | alterego | Is it free like player? |
| 18:01.33 | czr | alterego, it's free (as in beer) too |
| 18:01.38 | alterego | Fantastic. |
| 18:01.48 | Jaffa | Better than player cos it can use multi-CPUs and expose them through to the VM |
| 18:01.53 | czr | yup. the client/server isn't all that good when doing graphical stuff. but that's why I did the xephyr/ssh thingy |
| 18:02.05 | czr | oh, it's many ways better than player |
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| 18:02.22 | czr | creating a new vm couldn't be much easier |
| 18:02.41 | alterego | I imagine it's always running. So if your client drops the connection you can reconnect later without losing anything? |
| 18:02.46 | czr | sure |
| 18:02.54 | czr | as I said, I'm not running the client anymore |
| 18:02.55 | alterego | Awesome. |
| 18:03.11 | czr | just use ssh to connect to the vm, /scratchbox/login (and -X to handle xephyr forwarding) |
| 18:03.24 | alterego | Neat. |
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| 18:04.46 | czr | the only thing I didn't get working in the vm-images was zerotools integrations inside scratchbox |
| 18:05.00 | czr | but I think I could get that fixed if I could be bothered at some point. |
| 18:09.17 | keesj | Tak does the packaged deb require rake or similar or install? |
| 18:09.47 | keesj | or worse gems? |
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| 18:10.50 | Tak | keesj: no |
| 18:11.31 | keesj | great! |
| 18:12.15 | keesj | how does it work? do you just copy the files to the right place? |
| 18:13.58 | Tak | basically |
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| 18:15.11 | alterego | Right, that's the libosso documentation done ... For now ... :) |
| 18:15.20 | Tak | it's pretty much already doing that |
| 18:18.10 | thiagoss | I'd like to deactivate the headphones from my n800 from my app, can anyone help me? I suppose I'll have to use dbus |
| 18:19.25 | Tak | http://rafb.net/p/Sel4bl66.html |
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| 18:23.30 | keesj | Thanks for the info, are the libs stripped? |
| 18:23.43 | sciboy | What's the name of that music video people keep on using to demonstrate youtube video on Maemo devices? |
| 18:24.26 | czr | mc hammer's can't touch this? |
| 18:26.42 | sciboy | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHnu94Cw59A |
| 18:27.54 | sciboy | Found it! |
| 18:28.15 | sciboy | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMOkfI7wCrI |
| 18:28.28 | sciboy | The Postal Service - Such Great Heights |
| 18:28.44 | GeneralAntilles | Ha . . . mediaserv is working now, but the audio comes through as static. |
| 18:30.09 | GeneralAntilles | Still, the video looks fantastic. |
| 18:30.14 | alterego | :) |
| 18:30.27 | alterego | If you turn the video off can we get good audio? ^_^ |
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| 18:33.01 | alterego | Nice, my RPC mechanism segfaults. |
| 18:33.50 | czr | Reboot Procedure Call? |
| 18:33.57 | alterego | :) |
| 18:34.03 | czr | Really Panicky Call? |
| 18:34.04 | alterego | Only on the server side. |
| 18:34.12 | alterego | ~service side I guess .. |
| 18:34.24 | alterego | I wonder if it has something to do with not having a .service file. |
| 18:34.26 | czr | server is ok in my books though. |
| 18:34.33 | alterego | Though I doubt that would cause a segfault. |
| 18:34.36 | czr | alterego, you don't need a service file |
| 18:34.44 | alterego | Yeah, I've noticed. |
| 18:34.49 | czr | you using dbus-send to test? |
| 18:34.52 | suihkulokki | for more cheasy youtube demo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nONzp3h2wI4 |
| 18:34.56 | alterego | czr, yeah. |
| 18:35.10 | alterego | I meant service file for the actual service ;) |
| 18:35.24 | alterego | It's obviously doing something though because the send crashes the program ^_^ |
| 18:36.13 | czr | if the server is already running and has registered the well-known name, it doesn't need a service file |
| 18:36.23 | alterego | Cool. |
| 18:36.31 | czr | the service file is only necessary if you want d-bus daemon to start your server when someone tries to use it's well-known name |
| 18:36.50 | czr | alterego, the benefits of having to wade through a lot of docs and code while writing the material stuff :-) |
| 18:37.13 | alterego | Well, I kind of realized that whilst testing my API. |
| 18:37.32 | alterego | Noticing that I could do OSSO.initialize without having a .desktop or .service file. |
| 18:37.35 | czr | make the server generate core and load it into gdb? |
| 18:37.39 | czr | sure |
| 18:41.44 | alterego | Interesting, my callback isn't even being called back. |
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| 18:42.06 | alterego | Oh, wrong code. |
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| 18:44.22 | alterego | Found the offending code .. |
| 18:44.26 | czr | jail it! |
| 18:44.39 | czr | (or you could always throw it out of the window?) |
| 18:44.52 | alterego | This bit of code is pretty important. |
| 18:45.09 | alterego | It converts a GArray into a C array to pass as arguments to the callback. |
| 18:45.21 | czr | heh |
| 18:46.57 | alterego | Well .. That sort of worked. |
| 18:48.25 | alterego | Woo :) |
| 18:48.43 | czr | john? |
| 18:48.52 | alterego | I've successfully wrote a D-BUS LibOSSO service in Ruby :) |
| 18:49.42 | alterego | Oh, my parents would be so pround |
| 18:49.44 | alterego | ~proud |
| 18:49.48 | sciboy | I can't believe they went for Mini-SD in the N810 |
| 18:50.16 | alterego | sciboy, appearanly there wasn't enough room for normal SD. |
| 18:50.32 | alterego | Which is believable. |
| 18:50.43 | sciboy | I'd let it slide in that case, but in general it really cripples the storage options. |
| 18:50.56 | czr | alterego, libosso service? |
| 18:51.06 | czr | alterego, you provide d-bus service using just libosso? |
| 18:51.12 | alterego | Yup :) |
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| 18:51.27 | alterego | That's what I was just testing. |
| 18:51.38 | czr | which libosso functions do you use for that? |
| 18:51.46 | alterego | rpc_cb_f |
| 18:51.49 | alterego | set/unset |
| 18:51.57 | czr | ah |
| 18:52.35 | czr | err. how do you handle demarshalling of the data inside the cb? |
| 18:53.18 | alterego | I have RPC_TYPE to Ruby Object conversions. |
| 18:53.35 | alterego | It's not perfect and probably possibly buggy but it seems to work. |
| 18:53.38 | czr | but you do that manually, right? |
| 18:53.42 | alterego | No, |
| 18:54.03 | alterego | Automagickally done by ruby-libosso |
| 18:54.40 | czr | hmm |
| 18:54.55 | czr | suppose a rpc method call comes along which has three arguments, an integer, a double and a string array. |
| 18:55.35 | czr | how do you attach a cb in this case? do you specify the types when attaching the cb, or decode the types in the wrapper and then just return an array of ruby objects instead? (one for each of the args) |
| 18:55.44 | czr | (just curious) |
| 18:55.45 | alterego | Well, the integer and double would be fine. But array's aren't used by OSSO and are therefore not recognised my ruby-libosso |
| 18:56.08 | czr | right. so libosso does some of the demarshalling (into osso-types) |
| 18:56.18 | alterego | Hopefully. |
| 18:56.21 | czr | heh |
| 18:56.37 | alterego | libosso passes the callback a GArray of the arguments. |
| 18:56.38 | czr | damn. only now I realized that I should've written something about this too |
| 18:56.50 | alterego | I iterate through that GArray converting the libosso types into Ruby types. |
| 18:56.50 | czr | so far I thought that libosso was only useful on the client side. |
| 18:56.57 | alterego | Then pass that to the real Ruby callback. |
| 18:57.33 | alterego | It's neat how it works, because it handles multiple callbacks out-of-the-box |
| 18:57.49 | czr | it's not neat that I've overlooked this.. damn. |
| 18:58.29 | alterego | Also, when you call the 'context.rpc.add_callback' method it returns an #<OSSO::Callback> which you can play with. For instance, change the 'data' paramter to be passed to the callback. You can even change the actual callback to be executed through the 'proc' attribute :) |
| 18:58.49 | czr | I've never used ruby btw :-) |
| 18:58.51 | alterego | But that's just my Ruby foo. |
| 18:58.59 | alterego | :) |
| 18:59.20 | alterego | Yeah, I don't mind not having D-BUS when LibOSSO gives about as much functionality as I can see a use for in Ruby. |
| 18:59.43 | alterego | Adding a full D-BUS ruby extension now would make things a lot more complicated for programmers. |
| 19:00.15 | alterego | I guess that's what libosso is about to begin with ;) |
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| 19:02.30 | czr | hmph. the code examples went through couple of review rounds, without almost any comments, so I guess that if someone really wanted me to cover libosso rpc_cb, then they'd tell me so. /me shrugs |
| 19:02.50 | alterego | Right |
| 19:03.07 | alterego | Or, maybe your reviewers are a bit lazy ;) |
| 19:03.14 | czr | you don't say :-) |
| 19:03.37 | czr | I think they have better things to do. |
| 19:03.41 | czr | can't really blame them. |
| 19:03.49 | alterego | Heh |
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| 19:13.12 | czr | hmm. I just realized that libosso can't be used to do rpc method calls with multiple out-parameters |
| 19:14.18 | czr | I wonder what will happen in that case |
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| 19:28.25 | inz | czr, surprisingly it will return the first and ignore the rest |
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| 19:28.50 | czr | inz, it doesn't crash? :-) |
| 19:28.53 | czr | no errors either? |
| 19:29.05 | czr | indeed. it is surprising :-) |
| 19:30.06 | czr | I should really read through the code at some point |
| 19:30.22 | timely_changelog | inz: fwiw, sardine should be inddx'd |
| 19:30.29 | czr | otoh, I do have interesting stuff to work on as well. hmm. difficult decision. reading libosso source code or doing something else.. :-) |
| 19:30.37 | inz | timely, doesn't help when I'm at home ;) |
| 19:30.57 | timely_changelog | yomorrow |
| 19:31.06 | inz | czr, if you want to keep the last drops of your sanity, don't read libosso code |
| 19:31.10 | disq | how's the latest non-public sardine? has the statusbar plugins? |
| 19:31.22 | czr | inz, I lost my sanity already two weeks back :-) |
| 19:31.30 | disq | i upgraded a few minutes ago all it did was install the new udev |
| 19:31.31 | inz | timely, I'll be working from home tomorrow ;) |
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| 19:31.43 | inz | disq, what is non-public sardine? |
| 19:31.45 | timely_changelog | :( |
| 19:32.11 | disq | dunno. i'm assuming there's a private version with chinook goodness in it which will be public when chinook hits the fan |
| 19:32.27 | inz | disq, well that's called chinook, not sardine |
| 19:33.00 | timely_changelog | sardine is actually held back in some cases because things can't enter sardine w/o building against sardine |
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| 19:34.35 | timely_changelog | so even though it's supposed to be bleeding edge |
| 19:34.40 | timely_changelog | it's no quite |
| 19:36.25 | disq | where's pymaemo-chinook? it's supposed to be released today |
| 19:36.30 | disq | let me check the site |
| 19:36.45 | lmoura | disq, we're working on it |
| 19:37.03 | disq | brazil time. i forgot about that. sorry :) |
| 19:37.20 | lmoura | no problem :) |
| 19:38.58 | Bobbywaz | okay guys |
| 19:39.09 | Bobbywaz | when I plug in my n800 to any computer |
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| 19:39.22 | Bobbywaz | I get the "usb device malfunction" err |
| 19:39.24 | Bobbywaz | or |
| 19:39.28 | Bobbywaz | what do I do about it |
| 19:39.33 | Bobbywaz | ready? ANSWER |
| 19:41.48 | deejoe | SUMMON: pizza |
| 19:41.57 | deejoe | nope, doesn't work for me, either. |
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| 19:46.17 | Drel | Hello -- I'm interested in examining the Maemo 4.0 beta SDK, but already have Maemo 3.2 installed under Scratchbox Apophis r4. Can both versions co-exist under the same scratchbox installation, or would you recommend creating a /scratchbox-maemo4 path, for example, assuming Maemo 3.2 is configured in /scratchbox? |
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| 19:47.10 | Bobbywaz | still no pizza? |
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| 19:47.51 | Andy80 | Drel: I suggest you to try in with the vmware image provided in the garage... if you have enough ram :) |
| 19:48.23 | Drel | Andy80: I'll give that a shot, thanks. |
| 19:48.37 | Andy80 | you're wellcome |
| 19:48.43 | Bobbywaz | man, if I only had a question that wasn't stupid, someone would help. |
| 19:50.59 | czr | actually it's quite the reverse Bobbywaz |
| 19:51.11 | Drel | Andy80: I went to garage.maemo.org, and located maemo-sd-vmware-0.2. However, the torrent file appears to be invalid. |
| 19:51.26 | Drel | Andy80: Is there an alternate download location? |
| 19:52.02 | Bobbywaz | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=maemo-sdk-vmware-0.2&spell=1 |
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| 19:53.23 | Andy80 | really don't know :\ I heard about it from the mailing list |
| 19:54.00 | Drel | Bobbywaz: No seeds for that torrent. |
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| 19:54.48 | Drel | hey hey, 1 seed. |
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| 20:05.34 | chelli | hi, i am programming a small python application and want to use gconf for preferences, i am importing the gconf module with "from gnome import gconf", which works fine in scatchbox, but on the tablet itself i only get "ImportError: No module named gnome" am i missing a certain package? (python2.5-gnome is installed) |
| 20:11.47 | czr | hmm. is there an easy way to detect whether n800 is on ac or not? |
| 20:12.22 | luck^ | chelli, it's our fault.. a problem inside script to create the deb package.. we will fix it |
| 20:12.40 | Tak | yeah, there's a dbus call |
| 20:12.41 | luck^ | it's missing a __init__.py inside /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/gnome |
| 20:12.48 | Tak | ( @ czr ) |
| 20:12.55 | czr | Tak, which one? |
| 20:14.37 | playya_ | czr, start dbus-monitor an unplug the power |
| 20:14.54 | Tak | it looks like kagu's querying com.nokia.bme.request for charger_charging_off (and _on) |
| 20:14.56 | czr | that's a signal. I want a method. |
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| 20:15.58 | czr | hmm. but is the charging status same as being connected to the cord? |
| 20:16.10 | czr | (if the battery is fully charged for example) |
| 20:16.18 | chelli | luck^: thanks, i thought i was my missing python knowledge (i just started learing python yesterday) ;-) |
| 20:16.40 | luck^ | chelli :) don't worry! |
| 20:18.17 | czr | Tak, ok, thanks anyway :-) |
| 20:20.24 | playya_ | czr, look at the hildon banner for this |
| 20:20.39 | czr | playya_, could you be more specific? |
| 20:21.11 | playya_ | if the battery is charged/ power unpluged a banner is displayed |
| 20:21.26 | czr | hmm. where should I look for the source code? |
| 20:21.30 | playya_ | look at the code which method is called there |
| 20:21.33 | czr | also, I think it's still just signal based |
| 20:21.49 | czr | but I'll take a peek if I'd just know where to look |
| 20:21.53 | playya_ | i dont have the tableteer repo in sources list |
| 20:23.19 | czr | hmm. infoprint is called hildon banner nowadays? |
| 20:23.29 | czr | the D-Bus method is infoprint though. |
| 20:23.50 | playya_ | is it started the other way? |
| 20:23.58 | czr | I have no idea |
| 20:24.06 | playya_ | that the battery calls the banner? |
| 20:24.15 | czr | something calls the banner methinks |
| 20:24.40 | czr | could be bme |
| 20:24.47 | playya_ | i dont have a n800 atm |
| 20:24.59 | czr | no prob. I might return to this later on |
| 20:25.05 | playya_ | ok |
| 20:27.11 | unique311 | anyone using xchat? |
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| 20:28.14 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, unique311. Specifically skyhusker's port. |
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| 20:29.14 | unique311 | any script that logs when someone uses your nick in a message.. |
| 20:29.21 | unique311 | besides log.. |
| 20:29.34 | unique311 | besides the log feature of xchat.. |
| 20:29.42 | GeneralAntilles | Haven't bothered to look into it. |
| 20:29.43 | unique311 | that logs entire sessions.. |
| 20:29.45 | unique311 | ok |
| 20:30.53 | disq | unique311: seen my comment for the quicksynergy, any thoughts? :) |
| 20:30.55 | _Monkey | I haven't seen 'my', disq |
| 20:31.02 | disq | shut up _Monkey |
| 20:31.36 | unique311 | yeah...i check it out.. |
| 20:32.00 | unique311 | will have to put it to use for the new OS |
| 20:32.05 | disq | you could bundle the binaries with quicksynergy and launch synergy with the shellscript |
| 20:32.47 | disq | i really felt sorry for the people who reboot their tablets to show/hide the cursor. had to do something. |
| 20:33.37 | unique311 | lol |
| 20:35.03 | pupnik | ahhaha |
| 20:35.09 | pupnik | 4992368 Oct 25 16:54 tofix.txt |
| 20:35.36 | Bobbywaz | any news on that pizza? |
| 20:36.28 | czr | pupnik, that's a todo? :-) |
| 20:37.22 | pupnik | ty for that fix disq - sdl progs can hidecursor with a simple command |
| 20:37.50 | disq | yeah but can't do it systemwide can they |
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| 20:42.13 | pupnik | task-switching while sdl game is running? heresy! |
| 20:42.19 | pupnik | :) |
| 20:43.09 | disq | doesn't work like that in kagu. maybe because pygame handles it differently |
| 20:44.00 | disq | anyway, if you have a better solution than xsetroot just make a set_cursor script and post it in quicksynergy garage. i don't really want to compile/package xsetroot for maemo anyways :P |
| 20:44.19 | disq | i mean, i stole the binary from a sid-armel deb before |
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| 21:06.36 | disq | is chinook being shipped with python2.5? |
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| 21:40.33 | konttori | disq: Nopr |
| 21:40.36 | konttori | nope |
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| 21:41.41 | disq | you said kagu won't install in chinook. was it because it lacked python2.5? or osso-mediaplayer-engine? |
| 21:42.08 | konttori | I tested ukmp on the device and that worked |
| 21:42.19 | konttori | It was maybe depending on something else |
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| 21:42.45 | konttori | and at the time that I tested, python didn't support gtk at all, so it was kind of not-yet-ready version |
| 21:42.52 | disq | ah, ok |
| 21:43.15 | konttori | But do you use gstreamer directly? |
| 21:43.35 | konttori | demuxer is id3demuxer in chinook |
| 21:43.47 | disq | so, why is ukmp shown as the top download in nokia.com/OS2008? :P |
| 21:43.57 | konttori | ? where? |
| 21:44.05 | disq | no we use osso-mediaserver/mediaplayer-engine or mplayer |
| 21:44.20 | disq | www.nokia.com/OS2008 :) |
| 21:44.26 | konttori | sweet! |
| 21:44.32 | disq | yeah right :P |
| 21:44.55 | konttori | ukmp works on the device perfectly |
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| 21:45.15 | konttori | it so happens that the python works perfectly for all ukmp uses |
| 21:45.25 | konttori | anyway, I don't know about that chart. Might be a stub as well |
| 21:45.37 | konttori | or, it might retrieve it from garage downloads |
| 21:45.48 | disq | i think it's a stub |
| 21:46.06 | konttori | Yeah. from garage, it would definitely be maemo mapper |
| 21:46.10 | konttori | https://garage.maemo.org/ |
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| 21:49.09 | tko | it's good to see community apps on the top downloads list |
| 21:49.20 | tko | would be nice to see more, of course ;-) |
| 21:49.30 | disq | :) |
| 21:50.26 | tko | though it's probably rather difficult to compete with things like Skype, Rhapsody, Gizmo, Boingo, ... |
| 21:51.14 | konttori | especially as they have direct install links in the menus |
| 21:52.12 | tko | OTOH we have maemo blocks preinstalled |
| 21:54.19 | disq | hopefully when we get repository install counts included in the app download counts more community apps will emerge in the list |
| 21:54.47 | disq | of course it's impossible to compete with .install-bundled apps |
| 21:55.23 | disq | do you have any info on sardine? current sardine is weird with no statusbar plugins etc. |
| 21:55.36 | disq | never seen it this cutting edge before :P |
| 21:55.50 | tko | sardine contains only open source stuff.. plugins aren't |
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| 21:57.32 | disq | ah. true, i had my old bora versions of them |
| 21:57.38 | disq | thanks for the explanation :) |
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| 22:15.16 | alterego | I really need to get a new computer .. |
| 22:16.05 | tko | alterego: I'd recommend a life instead of a computer :) |
| 22:16.20 | alterego | :) |
| 22:16.38 | alterego | Life is over rated :P |
| 22:17.33 | alterego | Ignore me, I'm grouchy. Got a little cold. |
| 22:18.34 | tko | oh, I didn't even notice. you need to do a lot better than that :) |
| 22:18.42 | alterego | Something is stopping me from figuring out what's wrong with my RPC argument processing problem in libosso too. |
| 22:20.26 | tko | I've never managed to take a really good look at libosso, but from the description of the RPC I got the impression it's an abstraction gone horribly wrong |
| 22:20.39 | alterego | Well, yes and no. |
| 22:20.49 | tko | but as said, I never to take a good look at it |
| 22:21.31 | alterego | libosso just kind of seems like a random group of facilities. |
| 22:21.46 | tko | yes, it does that too |
| 22:21.52 | alterego | If it was structured in a more coherent manner, maybe with multiple layers of complexity it would be nicer. |
| 22:22.34 | alterego | The RPC stuff isn't _too_ bad though. |
| 22:22.55 | alterego | Even though I'm only actually dealing with 6 libosso RPC functions. |
| 22:23.21 | alterego | The other 5 can be implemented with the ones I'm already using. |
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| 22:26.12 | alterego | Ah, think I've figured it out. |
| 22:26.57 | tko | yes, I vaguely recall most of libosso RPC stuff being just a very thing wrapper on top of dbus, making it almost pointless, and the abstraction part leaking all dbus details anyways making it impractical. but I won't form any definitive opinion before studying it in detail (maybe around 2010 or so..) |
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| 22:28.09 | alterego | If it's still around in 2010 ;) |
| 22:28.32 | alterego | I had a feeling it was being replaced for some reason. |
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| 22:32.17 | tko | kimmo is reimplementing it slowly, see the muali stuff |
| 22:33.11 | alterego | Yeah. |
| 22:33.22 | alterego | I'd noticed that. |
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| 22:35.29 | tko | to some extent there's a generic problem of "if it works, why would you want to change it?" thinking, which does have a point |
| 22:35.30 | disq | ooh first release of pymaemo2.5 for chinook is out |
| 22:35.48 | tko | so ukmp should be installable? |
| 22:35.52 | tko | in extras? :) |
| 22:36.38 | disq | kagu should be installab.e |
| 22:36.39 | tko | last time I tried installing ukmp it was quite painful |
| 22:36.41 | disq | :P |
| 22:37.22 | alterego | Well, sure it does what it does. |
| 22:37.30 | tko | kagu wasn't in the top downloads list :-P |
| 22:37.46 | alterego | I think somethings in it are badly done. Personally the RPC stuff isn't _too_ bad .. |
| 22:38.30 | alterego | I think certain things should be grouped together that aren't. Things like the new locale stuff in chinook. I think that should be ground with the time part aswell. |
| 22:39.13 | tko | ah, documentation issues.. todo item #235234 |
| 22:39.25 | alterego | ? |
| 22:39.35 | tko | grouping |
| 22:39.50 | alterego | Heh |
| 22:40.12 | alterego | I might actually abstract libosso a bit more for ruby-libosso |
| 22:41.04 | alterego | Though that'll be a side project. The ruby-libosso bindings are going to be released as is once I've finished bug squashing. |
| 22:41.12 | tko | suggestions for improvement would be nice |
| 22:42.04 | tko | ah, yes, the constant battle between releasing early and doing things "right" |
| 22:42.19 | alterego | Well, they're nice as they are. |
| 22:42.22 | tko | everyone just needs to deal with it |
| 22:43.08 | alterego | I was thinking more implementing something that would unify a few of the system libraries together. |
| 22:46.23 | alterego | Jeez, my nose is running torrents. |
| 22:46.28 | tko | not surprising really. would be nice if you could propose such thing to be provided officially |
| 22:46.48 | celesteh | i prefer the official bittorent client for that, rather than my nose |
| 22:46.54 | alterego | :) |
| 22:47.14 | alterego | I think I might be over dosing on vitamin C. |
| 22:47.21 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 22:47.24 | GeneralAntilles | You can't do that |
| 22:47.29 | GeneralAntilles | It's water-soluble. |
| 22:47.48 | alterego | Good job it's not vitamin C++ then. |
| 22:48.03 | tko | don't drink water then. drink alcohol :) |
| 22:48.49 | GeneralAntilles | Yarr! Rum 'n' torrents sounds like a winning combination to me. Yarrharr! |
| 22:48.59 | alterego | http://maemo.rubyx.co.uk/sandbox/libosso-draft.txt |
| 22:49.04 | alterego | That's the draft API documentation. |
| 22:49.53 | GeneralAntilles | Looks documentary. |
| 22:50.19 | alterego | :) |
| 22:51.01 | ds3 | is there a common (cheap) car charager that will work with the N800/N770? stock nokia phone ones are too fat |
| 22:51.23 | alterego | Maybe there are more slim line 3rd party ones? |
| 22:51.29 | GeneralAntilles | Could pick up a barrel adaptor |
| 22:51.34 | GeneralAntilles | or get yourself an iGo |
| 22:51.47 | ds3 | is the charger plug a standard one used by a phone? |
| 22:51.52 | alterego | Nice, I was accessing random areas of memory. |
| 22:52.01 | GeneralAntilles | Think most of the N-series use it. |
| 22:52.15 | ds3 | 'k |
| 22:52.42 | ds3 | is the specs for plug available somewhere if I have to rig one up? |
| 22:52.59 | GeneralAntilles | That small-barrel Nokia adaptor is available everywhere |
| 22:53.04 | GeneralAntilles | Just pick a place and order. :\ |
| 22:53.11 | ds3 | okay |
| 22:53.27 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.mobileplanet.com/p.aspx?i=125505 |
| 22:53.35 | GeneralAntilles | One of those will work for adapting the old plugs. |
| 22:53.50 | alterego | Nice, argument passing is working now :) |
| 22:53.56 | GeneralAntilles | Woo! |
| 22:53.57 | ds3 | that is the right one? looks a lot like the regular nokia ones |
| 22:54.13 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, it's the right one. :\ |
| 22:54.23 | ds3 | guess the picture doesn't match :( |
| 22:54.45 | GeneralAntilles | Find a better place to order it from, though. |
| 22:54.52 | GeneralAntilles | I think Nokia sells it for $15 |
| 22:54.56 | ds3 | *nod* that's why I wanted the specs |
| 22:55.04 | ds3 | a USB charger cable is probally best |
| 22:55.05 | alterego | Nokia chargers are awesome. |
| 22:59.05 | alterego | Good night folks. |
| 23:06.12 | lopz | re |
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| 23:24.17 | |R | anyone tried the ssh -w any:any tunnel with rtcomm? (OS2007/n800) |
| 23:24.53 | |R | (or does anyone knows maximCT's email?) |
| 23:26.01 | |R | ah, i think i traced it back with google ;) |
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