| 00:00.42 | unique311 | seeing the bomberman post on maemo.org does this also mean that the screen on the n810 is multitouch? |
| 00:01.04 | zerojay | Doubt it. |
| 00:01.28 | unique311 | keyboard on the N810 makes no sense having those screen buttons |
| 00:02.37 | celesteh | but multitouch is inherently cool |
| 00:03.25 | unique311 | if the n810 had that going for it, i think it would be all over the thousands of post on it. |
| 00:03.58 | celesteh | indeed |
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| 00:04.54 | pupnik | it looks like balance of the device is good enough to allow easy holding/typing with thumbs |
| 00:05.22 | Quinlan^ | Im going to get one as soon as I can. |
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| 00:05.53 | unique311 | slide out is always cool..my pocket pc is a slide..and typing text messages on it rock. |
| 00:06.05 | unique311 | thats slide out keyboard is a + |
| 00:06.44 | unique311 | wonder what they going for with the next tablet. |
| 00:06.56 | unique311 | How long till a picture surface |
| 00:07.39 | unique311 | Quinlan^, sure you don't want to wait for the next release. |
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| 00:08.22 | unique311 | looks like nokia is putting them out quick now..after the 770 how long was it before the n800 came out? |
| 00:10.11 | pupnik | ~1.5 years? |
| 00:10.27 | unique311 | n800 to n810 |
| 00:10.38 | Quinlan^ | unique: I still have a 770. |
| 00:11.17 | GeneralAntilles | 770 was announced in November '05 |
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| 00:11.27 | GeneralAntilles | Shipped January, I think. |
| 00:11.41 | GeneralAntilles | N800 was announced/shipped on January 8th 2006 |
| 00:11.48 | GeneralAntilles | Sorry, 2007 |
| 00:12.24 | Quinlan^ | So like a year and two months. |
| 00:12.32 | Quinlan^ | 3. |
| 00:13.12 | unique311 | should expect another tablet next year. |
| 00:13.59 | unique311 | the wimax version |
| 00:14.08 | unique311 | of the n810 |
| 00:15.03 | pupnik | I really just want a N8xx to build/test packages on |
| 00:15.16 | pupnik | Still happy with the 770 |
| 00:15.31 | unique311 | pupnik, you applied for that dev deal? |
| 00:15.47 | pupnik | yeah, along with the rest of the planet :) |
| 00:16.11 | unique311 | but you actually put in alot of work.. |
| 00:16.44 | pupnik | There's a lot more coming :) |
| 00:17.09 | pupnik | Gotta package your pose stuff for 770 too |
| 00:17.52 | pupnik | Funny how a lot of people got really active here since the N810 was announced :) |
| 00:18.12 | c0ffee | same when the n800 was announced |
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| 00:18.22 | c0ffee | lots of new projects started |
| 00:18.46 | zerojay | Any one else watching the ThoughtFix live show? |
| 00:18.54 | unique311 | i just can't wait for the new OS2008...i could care less for anything else...gimme new OS |
| 00:18.56 | unique311 | now |
| 00:19.22 | zerojay | Nice, Ctrl + N is still new window on the keyboard. :D |
| 00:19.35 | GeneralAntilles | Caught the first one, is he doing another now? |
| 00:19.40 | zerojay | Right now. |
| 00:19.41 | _Monkey | right now is the time when you can find ps2 full versions in the magazine shelves for a couple of bucks |
| 00:19.48 | unique311 | want to know how he manage to get the new toy... |
| 00:19.57 | zerojay | GeneralAntilles: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/thoughtfixs-live-show |
| 00:20.04 | GeneralAntilles | Thanks |
| 00:22.53 | unique311 | thats a cool link.. |
| 00:22.58 | unique311 | going to put that to use.. |
| 00:24.52 | |R | yeah, weird :) |
| 00:25.56 | pupnik | wish ustream had better bandwidth |
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| 00:34.37 | |R | why can't anyone chat? :( |
| 00:34.58 | celesteh | |R, huh? |
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| 00:35.31 | |R | i mean, on thoughtfix's live show ;) |
| 00:36.31 | digilink | I just got an n800 and I want to get SSH working, but I cant pull my ip using ifconfig from an xterm? is there another method I can use to get the IP? and Im also assuming I can remotely log into this device? how would I create a user account if possible and enable root? |
| 00:36.56 | |R | digilink : openssh-server is installed yet? |
| 00:37.02 | digilink | yes |
| 00:37.03 | |R | you're IP won't be of much use before that |
| 00:37.04 | |R | ok |
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| 00:37.10 | |R | then install xterm |
| 00:37.15 | digilink | got that also |
| 00:37.17 | GeneralAntilles | You have to register, |R |
| 00:37.20 | pupnik | wow i didn't know google had street views |
| 00:37.32 | |R | GeneralAntilles : ok :| |
| 00:37.40 | digilink | ifconfig comes back with command not found |
| 00:37.47 | |R | pupnik : yeah, they had a car in my town recently |
| 00:37.49 | Quinlan^ | digilink: I use a widget called iphome to find my IP. |
| 00:37.50 | |R | digilink : /sbin/ifconfig |
| 00:37.51 | _Monkey | i think /sbin/ifconfig is what i do |
| 00:38.01 | Quinlan^ | That works, too. |
| 00:38.05 | digilink | ahh crap I didnt think to try that ok |
| 00:38.20 | |R | the path is borked somehow ;) |
| 00:38.25 | Quinlan^ | You might want to move it to /bin... |
| 00:38.56 | celesteh | ooh, street views, cool |
| 00:38.59 | |R | uhm... just link it |
| 00:39.08 | celesteh | I once rented an apartment after looking at sctreet views around it |
| 00:39.12 | |R | just in case a script uses it somewhere at somepoint by calling it's full path |
| 00:39.22 | Quinlan^ | Oh. how would one link it? |
| 00:39.27 | celesteh | information which turned out to not be at all useful |
| 00:39.30 | |R | cd /bin; ln -s /sbin/ifconfig |
| 00:39.40 | Quinlan^ | Thanks. |
| 00:39.55 | digilink | ok Im able to hit it now that I have the IP, is there a default user account and how would I enable root? |
| 00:40.15 | |R | root / rootme |
| 00:40.29 | |R | then change it ;) |
| 00:41.11 | pupnik | Man, that dpad is lookin very small |
| 00:41.33 | digilink | sweet!!!! Im in tnx guys... this the coolest gadget I have ever bought, and best of all it runs linux!!!!!! |
| 00:41.54 | pupnik | congrats digilink - welcome to the club |
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| 00:42.04 | Rask330 | digilink: My sentiments exactly XD |
| 00:42.20 | zerojay | Six months later and it still hasn't worn off on me. |
| 00:42.50 | digilink | Im amazed what this thing can do. I was showing my co-worker today and he was blown away with the FM radio after I enabled it |
| 00:43.01 | digilink | waaaaaay better than the iPod I replaced it with :D |
| 00:43.13 | Quinlan^ | heh |
| 00:43.24 | Quinlan^ | Are you planning on developing things? |
| 00:43.34 | zerojay | I got asked by two people on the bus to work today if what I had was an iPhone. |
| 00:43.42 | digilink | I'd like to take a stab at it, my coding skills are very weak though :( |
| 00:43.59 | digilink | Im going to look into installing the dev environment here soon |
| 00:43.59 | Quinlan^ | I think creating the actual .deb packages are harder. |
| 00:44.03 | SEWilco | My N800 stopped letting me download to external SD. "Save file" "OK" reply: "Not allowed". I'm not finding the meaning of "Not allowed" online. |
| 00:44.03 | GeneralAntilles | Haha, "you see any black plastic here?" |
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| 00:44.21 | GeneralAntilles | Probably corrupted, SEWilco. |
| 00:44.54 | pupnik | hahaha yaay Homestarrunner! |
| 00:45.05 | zerojay | hahaha. |
| 00:45.09 | zerojay | Awesome. |
| 00:46.14 | Quinlan^ | zaerojay: You ahould've said you were an Apple Executive and that you'd gotten version 2 of the iphone. |
| 00:46.24 | zerojay | Fuck that. |
| 00:46.32 | zerojay | iPhones still aren't on sale here anyways. |
| 00:46.40 | zerojay | Besides, I have something better. |
| 00:46.50 | Quinlan^ | That is true. |
| 00:47.26 | zerojay | Leaving in two minutes.. Guitar Hero 3 is almost done transfering to my PS2. ;) |
| 00:47.47 | zerojay | Let me know if TF does anything interesting. |
| 00:48.01 | zerojay | Well.. it's all interesting, but you know what I mean. |
| 00:48.06 | zerojay | Extra interesting. ;P |
| 00:48.10 | SEWilco | OK, I read about the flash OS fix. Barely. The cbx33 blog is unreadable with white-on-black; after fixing that I see I just need to update kernel. |
| 00:49.20 | SEWilco | I also notice that maemo.org tells me to to use an MS-Windows PC for update, but I don't have one of those. Nokia should support updates from Linux desktops. |
| 00:49.31 | GeneralAntilles | They do. |
| 00:49.51 | GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux |
| 00:50.09 | |R | wtf, i made an account on ustream.tv and it wouldn't let me login after ward it just loops :P |
| 00:50.19 | SEWilco | Good. Then someone needs to update http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/1191328183.html |
| 00:50.20 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, try the widget up at the top |
| 00:50.34 | GeneralAntilles | It's not a particularly well programmed website. |
| 00:50.47 | GeneralAntilles | RECOMMENDED is different from supported. |
| 00:51.12 | |R | hehe |
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| 00:56.53 | pupnik | can you connect to ustream chat with normal irc? |
| 00:57.13 | pupnik | chat1.ustream.tv wants me to enter a pw with /pass, but there's no /pass command in irssi |
| 00:57.33 | pupnik | |R: i can't log into chat either |
| 00:57.55 | |R | :/ |
| 00:59.44 | pupnik | log out and log in again |R |
| 00:59.59 | |R | that's what i did... |
| 01:00.02 | |R | oh well :| |
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| 01:02.10 | |R | uhm, i just realised i can't sudo su - locally... anything i missed during the install? (i added an ALL ALL etc to sudoers...) |
| 01:03.11 | pupnik | ? sudo gainroot |
| 01:03.55 | |R | password denied... do i need to set a password for "user" ? |
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| 01:04.17 | pupnik | becomeroot? |
| 01:04.17 | _Monkey | becomeroot is a quick howto to become root here http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_BecomeRoot and more information is here http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowDoiBecomeRoot |
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| 01:04.56 | teprrr | hello, does anyone know if there's documentation available about what dbus calls the base installation has? |
| 01:06.21 | |R | ok yes, passwd user, i'm tired ;) |
| 01:07.42 | Quinlan^ | Can I totally format my 770 with flasher-2.0? Its pretty cluttered. |
| 01:09.14 | Quinlan^ | Er, re-format. |
| 01:09.24 | pupnik | yes |
| 01:10.08 | Quinlan^ | Awesome. |
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| 01:14.49 | pupnik | clicking on logout and then login |
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| 01:15.53 | |R | pupnik : i meant sudo su - |
| 01:15.54 | |R | hehe |
| 01:16.19 | |R | it works in ssh, but not in xterm on the n800... user has a password and sudoers is modified... weird |
| 01:17.58 | |R | ajahahaha |
| 01:18.13 | |R | i was sshing somewhere else (/me hides in shame ;) |
| 01:20.40 | |R | can anyone confirm that : |
| 01:20.45 | |R | grep user /etc/passwd |
| 01:20.45 | |R | user:!:29999:29999::/home/user:/bin/sh |
| 01:20.47 | |R | gives this? |
| 01:20.54 | |R | (by default, if anyone still has the default setup ;) |
| 01:21.40 | pupnik | this correct |
| 01:22.30 | |R | thanks :P |
| 01:22.34 | |R | now back to thoughtfix |
| 01:22.35 | |R | hehe |
| 01:22.46 | pupnik | well mine has a passwd instead of ! |
| 01:23.23 | pupnik | i gotta set up one-click installs this week |
| 01:24.30 | |R | weird, even with flashblock/adblock+ disabled, i can't login to ustream so i can't logout either hehe :) |
| 01:24.39 | |R | oh well, screw this, i'll just listen and shutup :P |
| 01:24.45 | pupnik | yah |
| 01:25.02 | pupnik | if you have a question i can paste it |
| 01:25.14 | |R | k :) |
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| 01:33.51 | |R | weird...i can run both gizmo and rtcomm |
| 01:34.01 | |R | tough gizmo never really worked with SIP/asterisk |
| 01:34.07 | |R | th |
| 01:34.39 | pupnik | ah |
| 01:36.05 | |R | is there bluetooth headset support confirmed/denied yet? |
| 01:36.28 | |R | thanks :) |
| 01:37.10 | |R | hehe |
| 01:37.40 | |R | s/on// |
| 01:37.53 | GeneralAntilles | Headset works on OS2008 |
| 01:38.01 | GeneralAntilles | I don't think there's stereo, though. |
| 01:38.29 | |R | i don't mind, as long as i can get a bone conducting headset working in bars and my VoIP over a VPN i'll be happy :] |
| 01:38.43 | |R | free cell phone with ssh bonus :P |
| 01:42.29 | |R | so i need to start shopping for a bluetooth headset; ) |
| 01:46.57 | GeneralAntilles | Plantronics Voyager 510 |
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| 01:53.49 | |R | GeneralAntilles : does it do active noise cancellation / bone conducting? |
| 01:53.55 | |R | i really want to be able to use this in bars |
| 01:54.14 | |R | (not dancing bars, more like pubs actually ;) |
| 01:54.32 | |R | because when i'm out, i'm mostly in pubs haha ;) |
| 01:55.10 | GeneralAntilles | Haven't a clue. :) |
| 01:55.17 | GeneralAntilles | Oh, right |
| 01:55.23 | GeneralAntilles | Noise cancellation, yes. |
| 01:55.27 | GeneralAntilles | No bone conducting |
| 01:55.45 | GeneralAntilles | Need a bluetooth throat mic. |
| 01:55.47 | |R | ever did field tests of this sort? (you know, testing beers haha ;) |
| 01:55.52 | |R | haha :) |
| 01:56.11 | |R | eat-a-pill-headset |
| 01:56.16 | GeneralAntilles | Never really use it in any high-noise environments. |
| 01:56.33 | GeneralAntilles | Mindlink. ENGAGE! |
| 01:57.03 | |R | http://www.nxzen.com/headsets/nx6000_1.php <- beside the jawbone, i think it's the only other bone headset i found... |
| 01:57.12 | |R | both have quirks it seems... |
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| 02:20.17 | pupnik | btw anybody want to work on drpocketSNES ? |
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| 02:28.57 | pupnik | :} |
| 02:29.39 | pupnik | Istation handheld (linux) running psx emulator http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dta8OsPYOD4 |
| 02:30.12 | GeneralAntilles | So, pupnik, planning on getting an N800 anytime soon? |
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| 02:33.46 | pupnik | no |
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| 02:43.53 | doublec | apparently google mail supports imap now for selected accounts |
| 02:44.01 | doublec | so should work with the n800 mail app |
| 02:44.30 | doublec | http://www.downloadsquad.com/2007/10/23/gmail-gets-imap/ |
| 02:45.17 | _trent | http://www.downloadsquad.com/2007/10/23/gmail-gets-imap/ |
| 02:45.32 | _trent | oops |
| 02:47.40 | doublec | hehe |
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| 03:18.40 | |R | http://japwatches.wordpress.com/2007/10/22/citizen-i-virt-84-0321-84-0322-84-0323-84-0324-and-84-0311/ |
| 03:18.46 | |R | do you think these would work with rtcomm? :P |
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| 03:56.21 | hillct | Good evening |
| 03:59.28 | hillct | I'm seeing a rather strange behavior. I had a 250MB SD card in mmc2 and purchased an 8GB HCSD card which i then placed in mmc2, moving the 250MB card to mmc1 but now whenever I try to write to either card, as root or user, it reports that they're read-only filesystems. I checked the read-only switch on the cards, and the fstab and mtab indicate they're mounted read-wrote |
| 03:59.33 | hillct | read-write |
| 04:00.03 | hillct | is this something folks have seen before? |
| 04:00.11 | zerojay | You damaged them. |
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| 04:00.20 | hillct | great |
| 04:00.26 | zerojay | It's not permanent. |
| 04:00.32 | hillct | reformat? |
| 04:00.36 | zerojay | Copy the files off the cards and reformat. |
| 04:01.06 | zerojay | It usually happens when the cards are being written to when removing them or turning off power. |
| 04:01.11 | hillct | is there an fdisk binary in there somewhere? |
| 04:01.20 | zerojay | The file manager can format them. |
| 04:01.28 | hillct | K |
| 04:01.33 | zerojay | Do you have the latest firmware? |
| 04:01.52 | zerojay | 4.2007-38-2, I think. |
| 04:01.57 | hillct | yes |
| 04:02.29 | zerojay | Do you pull your cards out and put them in a computer or attach the tablet by USB? |
| 04:02.34 | hillct | I selected 'switch off' before moving the cards around but I was shocked to find when I pushed the power button afterward, it popped right up with the lock screen rather than the normal boot process |
| 04:02.47 | hillct | nope |
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| 04:03.17 | zerojay | hmm.. weird. Did you have the tablet plugged in when you did that? |
| 04:03.25 | hillct | I have a USB SD interface but not for SDHC |
| 04:03.32 | hillct | yes |
| 04:03.40 | hillct | that was probably it |
| 04:03.55 | hillct | anyway, lemme see if I can get this squared away |
| 04:03.58 | hillct | one sec |
| 04:04.01 | zerojay | When you shutdown/restart with the tablet plugged in, it doesn't really go off.. it just disconnects from the net but stays on. |
| 04:06.07 | hillct | cute |
| 04:06.09 | hillct | good to know |
| 04:06.38 | hillct | ok, so when I attempt to format, the SDHC card the options in the card menu are grayed out |
| 04:06.59 | hillct | when I attempt to format the SD card, it says can't format. card in use |
| 04:07.09 | hillct | the only app running is the file manager |
| 04:07.14 | zerojay | You'll have to format them in your PC then. |
| 04:07.16 | hillct | do I need to umount the cards? |
| 04:07.27 | hillct | great |
| 04:07.36 | zerojay | Or run fdisk on them. |
| 04:07.39 | hillct | gotta get an SDHC reader |
| 04:07.43 | hillct | hnn |
| 04:07.45 | hillct | hmm |
| 04:07.48 | hillct | will try that |
| 04:07.48 | zerojay | I don't think you need one for that. |
| 04:08.13 | zerojay | But I could be wrong. |
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| 04:09.21 | hillct | the mounted devices are /dev/mmcblk1 which seems reasonable, but the other card has device /dev/mmcblk0p1 |
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| 04:09.29 | hillct | which seems odd |
| 04:10.20 | zerojay | Partitioned? |
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| 04:14.38 | hillct | that would be my guess |
| 04:15.01 | hillct | interesting. n800 fdisk doesn't have an interactive mode |
| 04:15.20 | hillct | it's single command line or bust |
| 04:15.20 | zerojay | Windows fdisk. |
| 04:15.39 | hillct | not for the SDHC card. no reader |
| 04:15.40 | hillct | er |
| 04:15.43 | hillct | wait |
| 04:16.02 | hillct | will the n800 act as a passthrough reader for installed cards? |
| 04:16.19 | hillct | that'd be SO cool |
| 04:17.22 | hillct | Usage: fdisk [-luv] [-C CYLINDERS] [-H HEADS] [-S SECTORS] [-b SSZ] DISK |
| 04:17.32 | hillct | is what's available in the built-in fdisk |
| 04:18.03 | |R | uhm, get a real fdisk? |
| 04:18.21 | |R | http://www.gtlib.gatech.edu/pub/gnuab/debian/pool-armel/main/u/util-linux/fdisk-udeb_2.13-9_armel.udeb |
| 04:18.27 | |R | maybe this... |
| 04:18.27 | _Monkey | rumour has it maybe this is why the tablets don't have 'ping' |
| 04:18.36 | pupnik | or use a cardreader, or use PC to fdisk over usb |
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| 04:23.29 | hillct | pupnik: an SDHC card reader would make my life quite a bit easier right about now |
| 04:23.32 | |R | yep, if you extract the binary from that package (here it conflicts with sfdisk from ke-recv) |
| 04:23.32 | hillct | I don't have one |
| 04:23.43 | |R | just tried :) |
| 04:24.21 | hillct | I was able to reformat the card in mmc1 after unmounting it |
| 04:24.31 | hillct | using the file manage menu item |
| 04:24.44 | hillct | though I didn't see a GUI way to umount |
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| 04:25.33 | hillct | now, while device is off, switching 8GB card to MMC1 to try anf format assuming it's a function of the 'removable' nature of cards in that slot |
| 04:26.44 | |R | MMC1 being internal or external? here the device numbering is flipped with the mount point... (0 -> 2, 1 -> 1) |
| 04:27.09 | hillct | 1 being external |
| 04:27.37 | hillct | LOL |
| 04:27.56 | hillct | actually, the reason was I was using swap on the 8G card' |
| 04:28.05 | hillct | duh |
| 04:28.10 | |R | hehe |
| 04:28.19 | |R | i had the same problem, now that you mention it ;) |
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| 04:30.06 | hillct | "BUT I WANT TO FORMAT THE SWAP DEVICE!!!!" |
| 04:30.09 | hillct | No. |
| 04:30.17 | hillct | "Please Please!!!" |
| 04:31.14 | hillct | I guess it's nice that it won't let you do stupid things like that |
| 04:31.30 | hillct | though you'd think it would setup a swap partition not a file |
| 04:32.21 | |R | sometimes i wish it did let me do stupid things haha;) |
| 04:32.54 | hillct | tha's what red pill is for |
| 04:33.40 | |R | ssh for the people! |
| 04:33.40 | |R | :P |
| 04:34.03 | pupnik | Jack Daniels + Red Pill = regret |
| 04:34.08 | |R | haha |
| 04:34.17 | |R | i thought regrets = Jack Daniels |
| 04:34.21 | |R | that's a bad loop right there! |
| 04:34.22 | |R | :P |
| 04:34.58 | pupnik | Kind of like waking up in a strange bed and being afraid to look at who's sleeping next to you? |
| 04:35.17 | |R | haha |
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| 04:35.32 | |R | I hope that situation isn't a bad loop too ;) |
| 04:35.47 | czr | |R, it is. it just doesn't repeat all that often :-) |
| 04:36.00 | pupnik | congrats and welcome limepi |
| 04:36.04 | |R | hehe :) |
| 04:36.05 | czr | |R, and at some point you just get used to it :-) |
| 04:36.09 | |R | haha! |
| 04:36.11 | pupnik | i bet sales are picking up with the price drop |
| 04:36.18 | limepi | what is the canonical "you are new, here is how to make your thingy awesome" website |
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| 04:36.58 | pupnik | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=26 that's one |
| 04:37.43 | pupnik | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ |
| 04:39.24 | hillct | There really should be a single getting started page that explains which repos have the coolest stuff and which packages are geek-critical |
| 04:39.52 | limepi | awesome :D |
| 04:41.41 | hillct | I'm still annoyed. I bought mine used on ebay, two days before the price drop |
| 04:42.14 | hillct | paid $10 more than I could then get a new one on buy.com for and ended up paying shipping too |
| 04:43.50 | pupnik | how is screen? also test stylus input with sketch app. |
| 04:44.16 | hillct | pupnik: Me? you mean used vs new? |
| 04:44.43 | pupnik | yes i'd be worried about getting a dodgy screen if I bought used |
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| 04:45.01 | hillct | I had pics |
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| 04:45.09 | hillct | looked smudged |
| 04:45.11 | hillct | asked |
| 04:45.19 | hillct | said it was just fingerprints |
| 04:45.23 | hillct | which was true |
| 04:45.27 | hillct | cleaned up nicely |
| 04:45.35 | hillct | though, yes that'd be a big risk |
| 04:45.43 | pupnik | any problems tapping areas near the edges? |
| 04:45.53 | hillct | not that I've seen |
| 04:45.58 | pupnik | good deal |
| 04:45.58 | hillct | calibration works fine |
| 04:46.19 | hillct | thouh I didn't get some of the extra items that come with new |
| 04:46.26 | hillct | got only one stylus and no headset |
| 04:46.35 | pupnik | about 15% of the electronics i bought used on ebay had undocumented defects |
| 04:46.48 | hillct | I've been lucky |
| 04:46.58 | hillct | so far |
| 04:47.27 | hillct | although after adding this new 8GB card, it seems to be freezing up a bit |
| 04:47.45 | hillct | It's a class 6 card. it should be pretty speedy |
| 04:49.30 | hillct | Kingston. Got it over at Adorama.com |
| 04:49.47 | hillct | $20 rebate |
| 04:50.01 | hillct | so around $55 after rebate |
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| 04:51.26 | pupnik | good. now get to work |
| 04:51.29 | pupnik | :P |
| 04:53.57 | |R | microSD 8GB are starting to show up |
| 04:54.11 | |R | (if you want to invest in futur proof cards at high price hehe ;) |
| 05:01.45 | hillct | heh |
| 05:01.47 | Rask330 | Does the N800 read SDHC cards? |
| 05:02.00 | hillct | yup |
| 05:02.20 | Rask330 | Hot. |
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| 05:11.30 | lopz | buenas noches |
| 05:12.13 | pupnik | muhuu |
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| 06:07.13 | unique311_ | How come flash sites cannot access the camera on the n800 |
| 06:11.12 | astro76 | maybe you have to right click on the flash, settings... and allow camera/microphone, because it's disabled by default |
| 06:11.19 | astro76 | on the pc |
| 06:13.07 | unique311_ | tried that |
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| 06:13.34 | unique311_ | flash can't seem to find the built in camera.. |
| 06:13.48 | unique311_ | trying to use it with blogtv... |
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| 06:14.14 | unique311_ | i think thoughtfix had a post about this a while back.. |
| 06:14.32 | unique311_ | for ustream.tv |
| 06:16.11 | pupnik | anybody have a Command & Conquer 1 - Red Alert they can part with? |
| 06:17.20 | unique311_ | the mic is picked up.. |
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| 06:27.13 | dolske | unique311_: afaik Flash on Linux doesn't support any camera. |
| 06:27.33 | pupnik | want to test Command & Conquer unique311_ ? |
| 06:27.55 | pupnik | dolske: ? |
| 06:33.12 | pupnik | seems to kind of work, except on the device :) |
| 06:40.53 | solmumaha | pupnik: is it fast enough? |
| 06:41.04 | solmumaha | ah, how could you tell :) |
| 06:41.59 | solmumaha | that could actually be a game i would play |
| 06:42.14 | pupnik | runs in scratchbox - segfaults on device |
| 06:42.26 | czr | pupnik, there's an arm port of it? |
| 06:42.43 | pupnik | i have no idea what isn't implemented yet |
| 06:42.53 | pupnik | apparently combat? lol |
| 06:43.01 | pupnik | http://pupnik.de/freera_armel_001.tgz |
| 06:43.05 | czr | who needs combat when you have tesla coils |
| 06:43.23 | czr | zzzzzzzzz... aaaargh. |
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| 06:47.50 | pupnik | mmap2(NULL, 61440, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x405f0000 |
| 06:47.54 | pupnik | brk(0x23e000) = 0x23e000 |
| 06:48.00 | pupnik | --- SIGSEGV |
| 06:48.15 | pupnik | doh |
| 06:48.27 | pupnik | why it want so much memory |
| 06:49.02 | solmumaha | so it could run on n800? |
| 06:49.13 | pupnik | yes i think so |
| 06:49.27 | solmumaha | k, need to test that when i get home |
| 06:49.46 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:50.07 | solmumaha | if i can get the datafiles from somewhere |
| 06:50.56 | pupnik | i have included free data files for testing - but the author says it is broken with the demo |
| 06:51.03 | pupnik | but i was able to build stuff and move units |
| 06:51.35 | pupnik | wget ftp://ftp.westwood.com/pub/redalert/previews/demo/ra95demo.zip <-- full demo |
| 06:53.08 | pupnik | and it doesn't seem to use the right mouse button, which is real nice |
| 06:53.27 | solmumaha | maybe that seat belt would help run it on 770? |
| 06:53.55 | pupnik | heh what? |
| 06:54.40 | pupnik | seems to hang on instantiating the Game gsession; |
| 06:54.59 | solmumaha | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-10317.html |
| 07:00.40 | pupnik | hrm nope |
| 07:01.02 | solmumaha | :( |
| 07:01.15 | solmumaha | needs airbag then |
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| 08:14.05 | AD-N770 | good morning |
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| 08:36.36 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 08:42.16 | Jaffa | yay, feedback from people who have mediaserv working :-) |
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| 08:42.48 | keesj | Hi Jaffa |
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| 08:47.13 | solmumaha | was it positive? :) |
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| 08:51.08 | czr | any feedback for oss is great. nevermind positive or negative :-) |
| 08:52.32 | solmumaha | what are you working on? |
| 08:52.57 | czr | solmumaha, mainly system level stuff, not relating to maemo |
| 08:53.17 | solmumaha | k, no feedback from me then |
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| 08:53.20 | czr | i.e., the projects aren't nearly enough sexy to be interesting to most folk :-) |
| 08:56.20 | flip^ | czr: do you have a web page or anywhere to show off these projects? |
| 08:56.25 | Jaffa | solmumaha: largely, yes - obviously with issues since it's v0.01 |
| 08:56.40 | czr | flip^, my homepage contains links to most of the stuff ( http://koltsoff.com/ ). |
| 08:57.06 | czr | but all of the more completed thingies are on fm as well. |
| 09:01.51 | pupnik | solmumaha: http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2007/10/22/on_demand_transcoding_server_initial_rel |
| 09:02.00 | solmumaha | yes, i saw that |
| 09:02.32 | Jaffa | Still aiming for a different thing to knots, though |
| 09:03.49 | solmumaha | yes, there are differences |
| 09:06.24 | pupnik | yaay i 'convinced' a good game developer to buy a n800 |
| 09:07.34 | unique311 | pupnik, i hardly touch my tablet, unless something new is going on that interest me...sorry about last night...i passed out. |
| 09:08.17 | unique311 | not much into testing games anymore. |
| 09:08.26 | pupnik | np |
| 09:09.09 | unique311 | How that transcoding server...you gave it a go? |
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| 09:10.32 | pupnik | no. will wait for a newer/better vlc and ffmpeg and just use knots for now |
| 09:11.37 | czr | stupid question. is there a dsp-accelerated decoder for h.264 in n800? |
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| 09:12.01 | czr | (I don't have any test files to play with, otherwise I'd just try. and I'm mainly curious) |
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| 09:18.12 | L0cutus | re |
| 09:27.43 | Jaffa | pupnik: bah, I like shiny testers ;-) |
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| 09:32.32 | solmumaha | pupnik: vlc seems quite broken atm |
| 09:33.01 | solmumaha | crashes and playback is quite jerky with the same settings |
| 09:33.30 | pupnik | ty |
| 09:33.39 | solmumaha | so i haven't done anything to knots lately, waiting for a new version of mplayer and a working vlc |
| 09:34.03 | solmumaha | and of course alteregos complete bindings |
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| 09:38.45 | Jiten | czr: I think h.264 was listed as hardware decoded format for n810. |
| 09:39.11 | czr | Jiten, great. thanks |
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| 09:40.21 | Jiten | don't trust my memory, go look it up :P |
| 09:40.39 | czr | nah, I rather blame you later :-) |
| 09:40.43 | alterego | :) |
| 09:40.45 | czr | it's not that important.. |
| 09:40.51 | czr | hey alterego |
| 09:43.21 | alterego | Hello |
| 09:43.46 | alterego | I'm doing a rather drastic rewrite of ruby-libosso. |
| 09:44.00 | czr | you're converting it into python-libosso bindings? |
| 09:44.06 | alterego | Hey |
| 09:44.10 | alterego | :P |
| 09:44.14 | czr | :-) |
| 09:44.21 | alterego | No, I don't like the Python libOSSO bindings. |
| 09:44.42 | alterego | The new API provdes 6 functions |
| 09:44.57 | alterego | run, system, add_callback, remove_callback, timeout, timeout= |
| 09:45.15 | alterego | This provides functionality for the whole RPC section. |
| 09:45.36 | czr | how do you handle errors and differentiate them from methods that return a simple string? |
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| 09:46.47 | alterego | Well, osso_return_t is checked and raises an exception unless it's OSSO_OK, if it's OSSO_OK the return RPC value is returned to the caller, if not then the return value which should be a string is used as the error message for the exception. |
| 09:47.07 | alterego | I wrote a function that converts RPC data types into Ruby objects. |
| 09:47.12 | alterego | And the other way around. |
| 09:47.18 | czr | and if the call is done async? |
| 09:47.28 | czr | or you don't support async calls? |
| 09:47.36 | alterego | Yes, I support async calls. |
| 09:47.49 | czr | so. then osso_return_t just tells that the launch succeeded |
| 09:47.51 | alterego | Hmm, I can't remember. Let me check. |
| 09:47.59 | czr | it tells nothing about errors that can happen later |
| 09:49.12 | alterego | Well, again the osso_return_t is checked and will raise an exception if it's not OSSO_OK |
| 09:49.31 | czr | osso_return_t of what exactly? |
| 09:49.32 | alterego | The callback gets the return value so it's up the that code what happens. |
| 09:49.38 | alterego | The async call. |
| 09:49.54 | czr | yeah, as I said, it only returns the errors that can happen on launch |
| 09:50.01 | czr | not errors during the execution of the async call (later on) |
| 09:50.09 | czr | the callback gets the return value, correct. |
| 09:50.12 | alterego | Yeah .. That's not very handy .. |
| 09:50.24 | czr | now. how do you differentiate (from the return value) an error from a return value that is just a string. |
| 09:50.32 | alterego | You can't. |
| 09:50.38 | czr | this was my point :-) |
| 09:50.44 | czr | sorry for the long-winded .. winding. |
| 09:50.45 | alterego | Well, I could grep 'error' or something ;) |
| 09:50.51 | czr | indeed :-) |
| 09:51.07 | alterego | Yeah, it's not really a problem that I'm responsible for though is it :P |
| 09:51.12 | czr | it's not |
| 09:51.18 | czr | just wondered how you went along with it |
| 09:51.31 | alterego | Yeah, that actually didn't occur to me at the time ^_^ |
| 09:51.40 | czr | now you know :-) |
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| 09:54.18 | czr | alterego, similar fun can be had with handling async returns of "void" |
| 09:54.25 | czr | although that's quite bearable. |
| 09:54.46 | czr | (returns of void: calling a method which returns void over D-Bus) |
| 09:55.01 | alterego | Interesting. |
| 09:55.02 | czr | but you still have to detect the error in that case. |
| 09:55.25 | czr | the whole interface in libosso for async is.. "limited" to put it in friendly terms. |
| 09:55.52 | czr | but I don't care. it's not really my problem either :-) |
| 09:56.04 | pupnik | i want a hardware countdown/watchdog timer i can poll on omap1710 and 2420 |
| 09:56.26 | alterego | Sure, but OSSO is more of a friendly wrapper for D-BUS, I don't think it's meant for serious D-BUS use. |
| 09:56.35 | alterego | It's more of a helper library than anything. |
| 09:56.50 | czr | alterego, I know.. :-) |
| 09:57.17 | alterego | Not that I'm defending it. I don't like LibOSSO at all. |
| 09:57.48 | czr | I love it. it provided me oodles of fun and detective work during night time. |
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| 09:59.13 | alterego | Heh |
| 09:59.56 | czr | going without moving. :-) |
| 09:59.57 | alterego | I like how you can assign multiple callbacks for RPC services but you can only assign single callbacks to events you're interested in. |
| 10:00.12 | czr | alterego, yeah, it's the ultimate in flexibility :-) |
| 10:00.36 | alterego | Sorry, that was me being sarcastic. |
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| 10:00.46 | alterego | I'd like multiple callbacks supported everywhere :) |
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| 10:01.18 | czr | I saw your sarcasm, and answered with some of my own :-) |
| 10:01.50 | czr | ttyl |
| 10:01.58 | alterego | To make this point more clear. My API defines "set_callback" and "remove_callback" for single callbacks. And "add_callback" and "remove_callback" for the RPC multiple callback support. |
| 10:02.03 | alterego | See you :) |
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| 10:22.23 | Jiten | ah, right. sqlite3 is a standard part of python 2.5 |
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| 10:37.03 | mazzen | hi! i ported a nice :) programming language (pike) to maemo. everything works fine, but when i try to start a GTK example from the menu the "old" program launches. i copied the desktop file and changed the Exec entry. would anyone be so kinde and take a look? http://pastebin.com/m423fdac3 thanks! |
| 10:39.22 | inz | mazzen, remove the X-Osso-Service -line |
| 10:40.19 | mazzen | inz: thanks a lot! :-) it works now! :-) |
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| 12:33.15 | playya | hi everybody |
| 12:33.29 | playya | hi |
| 12:33.41 | celesteh | hi |
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| 12:35.00 | playya | any hast experience in gtk_expander_set_label_widget |
| 12:35.48 | playya | i added a hbox with entry, check_botton an spin_button but they do not get any signals |
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| 12:38.50 | inz | playya, maybe you're supposed to put a label as the label for the expander? |
| 12:39.08 | inz | playya, the stuff "inside" the expander is added with gtk_container_add |
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| 12:39.54 | playya | i know that inz |
| 12:40.03 | playya | but i want to have it there |
| 12:40.07 | inz | Why? |
| 12:40.20 | playya | its an list of options |
| 12:40.33 | playya | devided in basic and extended |
| 12:41.04 | playya | you should see the basics by default and extended when expanded |
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| 12:42.04 | inz | I think you usually put the basics before the expander and then put something like "> Advanced" |
| 12:42.43 | playya | hmpf |
| 12:43.06 | playya | i saw this accesor an this was my first idea |
| 12:43.34 | playya | because there are datasets to configure |
| 12:43.51 | inz | Well, if the signals don't reach the "expander label", then I guess there's not much that can be done |
| 12:44.31 | playya | :( |
| 12:47.20 | playya | is it possible to make the arrow smaller? |
| 12:47.50 | playya | on the spinbox too |
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| 13:13.17 | jumpula | what was the url for maemo package search engine? |
| 13:13.33 | pupnik_ | repositories? |
| 13:13.33 | _Monkey | i think repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php |
| 13:13.43 | jumpula | some third party site listed all the nokia's repositories and most of the unofficial ones |
| 13:13.52 | jumpula | contained a search engine |
| 13:14.06 | jumpula | and you could sort packages based on release etc |
| 13:14.14 | pupnik_ | ... |
| 13:14.24 | jumpula | yeah, gronmeyer |
| 13:14.26 | jumpula | thanks |
| 13:14.41 | pupnik_ | yw :) |
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| 13:49.55 | civodul | any idea how to get Qemu (in Scratchbox) to dump cores? |
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| 14:12.06 | pupnik_ | Weasels ripped my flesh! |
| 14:12.45 | celesteh | Zappa! |
| 14:12.59 | flip^ | pupnik_: did you do anything more with pingus? |
| 14:13.14 | pupnik_ | YES celesteh :) |
| 14:13.38 | pupnik_ | Pingus will be taken over by the pingus author :) |
| 14:13.55 | pupnik_ | he ordered a n800 :D |
| 14:13.58 | flip^ | ooh :) |
| 14:14.38 | Jaffa | Cool :) |
| 14:14.39 | pupnik_ | We're looking for ppl to do level-design in the next few days |
| 14:15.00 | pupnik_ | just fyi |
| 14:16.19 | deejoe | whoah. |
| 14:16.45 | deejoe | I really needed not to learn that pingus is or might be available for the n800 :-| |
| 14:17.07 | deejoe | I'm not sure I'll be able to help myself. |
| 14:17.16 | pupnik_ | give it a shot - http://pupnik.de/pingus.html |
| 14:17.40 | pupnik_ | it's kind of kludgy to install tho |
| 14:31.18 | flip^ | pupnik_: you're still involved then? |
| 14:31.55 | pupnik_ | well it don't run good on 770 so i'm not mucking with it any more |
| 14:32.16 | pupnik_ | it does ok if sound is disabled |
| 14:32.48 | keesj | pupnik_: http://pupnik.de/xkbd_iconify.gif << cool |
| 14:33.02 | keesj | the keyboard that is... |
| 14:33.24 | pupnik_ | yes i think i might have a workaround to pull it up from a fullscreen sdl app too |
| 14:33.46 | flip^ | pupnik_: that'll work in rdesktop? ;) |
| 14:34.01 | pupnik_ | should work fine |
| 14:34.12 | flip^ | ooh, cool |
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| 14:37.01 | deejoe | pupnik_: I am not afraid of dpkg -i. I am afraid of getting sucked down a black hole of gaming. :-) |
| 14:37.02 | DRoBeR | Who can help me to port openvpn to n800 OS 2007 ?? :S |
| 14:37.35 | pupnik_ | hehe |
| 14:37.39 | kulve | DRoBeR: try google. I think it's already done |
| 14:37.50 | ptman | DRoBeR: since it doesn't have a GUI (or does it) it should be a simple recompile |
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| 14:41.17 | DRoBeR | Thanks, kulve. I tried searching in maemo website. :) |
| 14:41.28 | DRoBeR | ptman, thanks too :) |
| 14:41.44 | alterego | the garage search feature is somewhat broken |
| 14:41.56 | alterego | Well, non-intuitive .. |
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| 14:50.11 | keesj | what's the compilter for 4.0? is it still 3.4? |
| 14:53.00 | alterego | It's the glibc2.5 versions |
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| 14:57.51 | lopz | hola |
| 14:59.36 | Solarion | still no maemo.org login. :( |
| 15:00.25 | keesj | alterego: what does gcc -v return? |
| 15:00.41 | alterego | Don't know. |
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| 15:01.25 | alterego | cs2005q3.2-glibc2.5 |
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| 15:09.47 | |R | anyone know how to search _for_ a minus sign on google? :P |
| 15:11.26 | zoran | what else after "-"? |
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| 15:13.55 | inz | keesj, 3.4.4 |
| 15:15.57 | TPC | |R, you can't |
| 15:16.34 | TPC | |R, you can bypass the - negative effect by putting it in quotes, like "-word" |
| 15:16.40 | TPC | but google ignores special characters like that anyway |
| 15:16.53 | keesj | inz thanks.. and BOO :P |
| 15:20.37 | pupnik_ | when i search "-fullscreen" i get "fullscreen" results |
| 15:20.45 | pupnik_ | maybe a different engine will be better for that |
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| 15:21.51 | derf | Google treats - in quotes as a hypen and searches for variants both with and without the hypenation. |
| 15:22.01 | zoran | pupnik, do you in fact need flag sign> |
| 15:22.02 | derf | Which is, of course, completely stupid. |
| 15:23.12 | lopz | ~ $ sudo su - |
| 15:23.13 | lopz | sudo: unable to lookup "hostname" via gethostbyname() |
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| 15:23.21 | Ar-ras | hiho |
| 15:23.25 | lopz | helpme |
| 15:23.38 | derf | lopz: sudo gainroot |
| 15:24.13 | lopz | ~ $ sudo gainroot |
| 15:24.14 | derf | You may need to hack the gainroot script to not check to see fi you're in R&D mode. |
| 15:24.16 | lopz | sudo: unable to lookup "hostname" via gethostbyname() |
| 15:24.25 | zoran | lopz probably changed option in hostname file, but missed to change it in hosts |
| 15:24.35 | derf | Oh, well then I have no idea. |
| 15:25.03 | GeneralAntilles | Google needs better quote behaviour |
| 15:25.13 | GeneralAntilles | I find its current behaviour absolutely infuriating. |
| 15:25.29 | derf | Google needs better behavior for non-alphanumeric characters in general. |
| 15:25.37 | derf | But, you know, good luck with that. |
| 15:25.55 | Ar-ras | does somebody ever thought about porting tomtom to n800? |
| 15:25.56 | Ar-ras | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10930 |
| 15:27.10 | GeneralAntilles | Uh, well, since we don't have to sourcecode . . . no? |
| 15:28.00 | lopz | zoran, Any idea? |
| 15:28.03 | lardman | iirc it runs on the Zaurus |
| 15:28.10 | zoran | about what? |
| 15:28.40 | zoran | hostname could be set in hostname and the same name must be in host file for 127.0.0.1 |
| 15:28.53 | Ar-ras | GeneralAntilles http://www.tomtom.com/page.php?Page=gpl |
| 15:29.13 | keesj | Updated: Sun, Oct 24th 2004 08:37 PDT (3 years, 0 months ago) |
| 15:29.14 | lopz | zoran, my problem, not login how root on x-term :S |
| 15:29.18 | Tak | you guys should totally switch to msn live search |
| 15:29.23 | GeneralAntilles | Well, then, get to work Ar-ras. Looks like you've found yourself a project. |
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| 15:30.04 | zoran | lopz, you could follow good old "sudo gainroot" |
| 15:30.22 | flip^ | anyone know of anything that can record video with the n800 camera? |
| 15:30.35 | Ar-ras | GeneralAntilles haha you are so funny like a clown, are you a clown GeneralAntilles ? |
| 15:30.43 | zoran | lopz, you have xterm and openssh installed? |
| 15:30.50 | lopz | zoran, yes |
| 15:30.55 | zoran | cool |
| 15:31.11 | zoran | so, you have to change file called "gainroot" first |
| 15:31.18 | zoran | in line it should be: |
| 15:31.28 | zoran | MODE+enabled # |
| 15:31.34 | zoran | MODE=enabled # |
| 15:31.39 | GeneralAntilles | What, you found something that hasn't been ported. The tools are sitting there ready to be used. Why not learn something and start porting? The worst you can do is fail. :\ |
| 15:31.40 | zoran | the second one! |
| 15:31.41 | _Monkey | the second one is, like, an ext2 as root |
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| 15:32.23 | Ar-ras | GeneralAntilles shut up,ok? |
| 15:32.34 | lopz | zoran, via ssh -> http://rafb.net/p/sFUcmW17.html |
| 15:32.37 | zoran | lopz, if I misguided you, first you have to do: |
| 15:32.46 | zoran | ssh root@localhost |
| 15:32.58 | zoran | pass is rootme or something |
| 15:33.04 | lopz | N800 since I can not, and I get that message |
| 15:33.22 | lopz | zoran, not, no pass is other |
| 15:33.28 | lopz | s/no/my |
| 15:33.36 | zoran | k |
| 15:33.46 | zoran | just ssh to it and change gainroot file |
| 15:33.57 | zoran | or install becomeroot, if I recall well |
| 15:34.06 | zoran | I never did it |
| 15:35.54 | |R | TPC : uhm okay :) |
| 15:36.33 | lopz | zoran, He followed this tutorial http://maemo.org/community/oldwiki/howdoibecomeroot/ |
| 15:36.38 | lopz | is correct ? |
| 15:36.50 | zoran | lemme c |
| 15:37.31 | solmumaha | pupnik_: it works! |
| 15:37.57 | zoran | lopz, hm, not exactly |
| 15:38.02 | lopz | :( |
| 15:38.13 | zoran | I saw wone where the MODE line is changed to: |
| 15:38.32 | zoran | MODE = enable #, with space after enable |
| 15:38.48 | alterego | Anyone have a test example for osso_statusbar_send_event ? |
| 15:38.58 | zoran | I did that and works on 770 |
| 15:39.13 | pupnik_ | solmumaha: freeRA command&conquer? |
| 15:39.26 | solmumaha | yes |
| 15:39.32 | pupnik_ | sound too? |
| 15:39.35 | solmumaha | solid 18 fps |
| 15:39.42 | pupnik_ | damn |
| 15:39.43 | solmumaha | didn't try that |
| 15:39.44 | alterego | That sounds fun .. |
| 15:40.26 | pupnik_ | Well i can test it in scratchbox i guess |
| 15:40.35 | pupnik_ | I don't know what's missing from the engine yet |
| 15:40.53 | solmumaha | sound works, but makes it very slow |
| 15:40.53 | lopz | zoran, http://maemo.org/community/oldwiki/howdoibecomeroot2/ <- He followed this tutorial :D |
| 15:41.02 | zoran | sec |
| 15:41.19 | robtaylor | don't suppose anyone knows offhand the blocksize for the initfs mtd? |
| 15:41.20 | zoran | lopz, yes |
| 15:41.32 | zoran | just that! |
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| 15:42.28 | lopz | zoran, my /usr/sbin/gainroot -> http://rafb.net/p/UmAoHn84.html |
| 15:42.30 | zoran | lopz, and I used openssh, since I needed both versions 1 and 2 for connection |
| 15:42.44 | zoran | it is needed gainroot file |
| 15:42.51 | lopz | Still the same problem: ( |
| 15:43.04 | zoran | ssh -r now |
| 15:43.16 | zoran | no, shutdown -r now |
| 15:43.44 | zoran | and "sudo gainroot" |
| 15:43.50 | |R | haha ssh -r now! : look at the internet, it's rebooting! |
| 15:43.58 | zoran | :) |
| 15:44.24 | |R | hehe |
| 15:44.37 | zoran | the man in on the device |
| 15:45.03 | zoran | I like ssh to have a touch from desktop, to tweak it on normal keyboard |
| 15:45.16 | |R | it would be a pain otherwise :| |
| 15:45.36 | zoran | yep |
| 15:45.46 | zoran | but fun |
| 15:46.04 | zoran | sudoers could be changed anyway |
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| 15:48.58 | zoran | lopz, news? |
| 15:49.58 | lopz | zoran, bad news -> http://rafb.net/p/VKt3av22.html |
| 15:50.55 | zoran | lopz, will you do this: |
| 15:51.03 | zoran | cat /etc/hostname |
| 15:51.08 | zoran | cat /etc/hosts |
| 15:51.31 | cosmo | anyone used osso-log logging? is there any documentation about it anywhere? |
| 15:51.39 | zoran | your box is BlackTux |
| 15:51.50 | zoran | put it in /etc/hosts |
| 15:51.51 | lopz | yes |
| 15:52.09 | zoran | 127.0.0.1 BlackTux localhost |
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| 15:52.40 | inz | cosmo, what of it? |
| 15:53.13 | cosmo | inz: how to enable it and where does the log go? |
| 15:53.20 | lopz | zoran, http://rafb.net/p/18dSQf96.html any idea ? |
| 15:53.26 | zoran | sec |
| 15:53.27 | cosmo | i haven't found any documentation except the header file |
| 15:53.36 | zoran | could you name names shorter? |
| 15:54.11 | inz | cosmo, well, there are a few compile time macros that need to be defined for the U_LOG and D_LOG -macros to do anything |
| 15:54.22 | lopz | zoran, yes |
| 15:54.34 | inz | cosmo, they're documented at the start of osso-log.h |
| 15:54.36 | zoran | lopz, change the line in /etc/hosts: |
| 15:54.39 | zoran | 127.0.0.1 BlackTux localhost |
| 15:54.58 | inz | cosmo, the device doesn't actually have syslog (I think), so syslog logging doesn't really do anything |
| 15:55.00 | zoran | ssh root@localhost |
| 15:55.18 | inz | cosmo, and stderr/stdout logging only helps, if you run the programs from xterm |
| 15:55.53 | cosmo | inz: does osso-log support syslog? i thinki syslog can be installed on device. |
| 15:56.30 | cosmo | stdout/err is not very useful for daemons etc, so i'd prefer syslog |
| 15:56.46 | inz | cosmo, by default it logs to syslog (i.e. if you only define DEBUG or OSSOLOG_COMPILE) |
| 15:57.18 | inz | cosmo, for daemons you should use the DLOG_ -functions, starting with DLOG_OPEN("appname"); |
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| 15:57.36 | zoran | huh, trolltech droped greenphone |
| 15:57.53 | cosmo | inz: ok thanks for this info. someone should write a wiki page or something about it.. |
| 15:58.49 | Jiten | zoran: yeah, no sense in a phone like that when other phones are coming to market that can be used for that. Selling phones isn't Trolltech's business after all. |
| 15:58.50 | sciboy | Hey, my wifi access is rather spotty and I have a few forum threads I'd like to read while I'm waiting around, any recommendations on how to do offline browsing? |
| 15:59.20 | sciboy | I'm on Debian. |
| 15:59.24 | zoran | Joten, it is the same heap like in openmoko |
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| 16:00.09 | Jiten | heap? |
| 16:00.19 | zoran | but openmoko will be about $450 |
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| 16:00.31 | Jiten | sciboy: open the pages in advance? |
| 16:01.00 | sciboy | Jiten, Can't keep them open, and in many cases we're talking about 100's of pages. |
| 16:01.16 | zoran | sciboy could download them all and save them |
| 16:01.33 | zoran | why is the connection spotty? |
| 16:01.49 | sciboy | zoran, Doing so manually would be pretty tedious. =P |
| 16:01.59 | Jiten | but web forums really aren't designed to be read without a good connection :) |
| 16:02.03 | sciboy | Only in range of the wifi 5% of the time. |
| 16:02.04 | zoran | ah, you need perl to help you |
| 16:02.15 | zoran | wi-fi moves? |
| 16:02.20 | Jiten | maybe you're lucky and the forum software allows you to open the pages with lots of comments at once |
| 16:02.20 | lopz | zoran, http://rafb.net/p/38PWfB80.html, thanks! :) |
| 16:02.25 | sciboy | No, my N800 sure as heck does. |
| 16:02.46 | sciboy | Jiten, 60 per-page maximum. |
| 16:03.00 | zoran | lopz, \o/ |
| 16:03.17 | lopz | zoran, o/ |
| 16:03.21 | Jiten | sciboy: save a few of those and that should keep you busy for a while. |
| 16:03.33 | sciboy | Plus the N800 would shit itself trying to open something that large if it was compiled into one page. |
| 16:03.45 | Jiten | then you're out of luck I guess |
| 16:03.48 | sciboy | Jiten, Not really, it's mostly visual. |
| 16:04.18 | zoran | sciboy, you said debian. not n800 |
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| 16:04.56 | sciboy | Because I assumed the solution would most likely involve my desktop |
| 16:05.00 | zoran | sciboy, how are those pages named? |
| 16:05.14 | Jiten | well, yeah, you can always look for some way to load them in advance by scripting |
| 16:05.33 | zoran | make a loop and wget them |
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| 16:06.32 | zoran | or fetch |
| 16:06.33 | Jiten | forum type websites are common enough that there really ought to be a common protocol they could all use with software that supports it. |
| 16:07.13 | zoran | my question is why sciboy cannot manage wifi to be permanent |
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| 16:08.39 | sciboy | Because I move a lot, and even in my house we have thick walls that kills reception pretty quickly. |
| 16:08.51 | GeneralAntilles | Spend the money on a 2nd router. :) |
| 16:09.09 | zoran | what router, btw? |
| 16:09.24 | zoran | and why do you move to much? |
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| 16:11.06 | sciboy | Because portability was the whole reason I got an N800, I like to work outdoors. |
| 16:11.21 | zoran | ah |
| 16:11.33 | zoran | what router? |
| 16:11.33 | _Monkey | router is at .1 |
| 16:12.19 | sciboy | Beats me, reception drops out before it reaches my room. |
| 16:12.35 | zoran | what router? |
| 16:12.36 | _Monkey | router is at .1 |
| 16:13.43 | sciboy | Beats me, reception drops out before it reaches my room. |
| 16:13.57 | zoran | :) |
| 16:17.56 | czr | internet is in a loop? :-) |
| 16:18.09 | alterego | Heh |
| 16:18.19 | alterego | It's like that episode of Red Dwarf "White Hole". |
| 16:18.27 | Tak | that'll teach it not to use an iterator |
| 16:18.29 | alterego | "So, what is it?" ^)^ |
| 16:19.01 | alterego | No! |
| 16:19.02 | alterego | :) |
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| 16:19.18 | czr | no? no is not an answer :-) |
| 16:19.25 | alterego | You should watch it. |
| 16:19.30 | alterego | It's really good :) |
| 16:19.33 | czr | nevermind not being a statement or even a question :-) |
| 16:19.40 | czr | so I hear. somehow I've managed to dodge it |
| 16:19.50 | sciboy | Okay, trying to download the thread using HTTrack |
| 16:19.57 | sciboy | It's upto 10mb already. |
| 16:20.09 | zoran | ascii? |
| 16:20.22 | sciboy | Nope, mostly images. |
| 16:22.18 | zoran | interesting that symbian does not include nokia 6120 as symbian phone |
| 16:22.30 | czr | maybe they had a bad day |
| 16:22.52 | zoran | nokia or symbian? |
| 16:23.30 | czr | neither is exclusive of the other I'm sure :-) |
| 16:23.34 | sciboy | The download is probably going to end up at a couple of hundred megs. |
| 16:24.08 | Tak | hooray! |
| 16:24.20 | zoran | someone has 6120? |
| 16:25.14 | czr | argh. |
| 16:26.12 | sciboy | Oh shiz |
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| 16:29.46 | zoran | mgedmin, does not looks as the similar product, this one is called classic |
| 16:30.10 | RobAtWork | so I just discovered I have both wirelesstools and wireless-tools installed |
| 16:30.20 | zoran | cool |
| 16:30.22 | RobAtWork | does one supersede the other, or are they separate packages |
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| 16:32.04 | L0cutus | [18:24] <zoran> someone has 6120? |
| 16:32.10 | L0cutus | a friend of mine |
| 16:32.20 | zoran | worth to buy? |
| 16:32.31 | zoran | the more I read, the less I know |
| 16:32.42 | L0cutus | it is perfect to use with his n800 :) |
| 16:32.56 | L0cutus | hsdpa |
| 16:35.48 | zoran | L0cutus, I had the similar idea |
| 16:36.09 | zoran | one issue makes me reluctant |
| 16:36.23 | L0cutus | in Italy it cost 199€ no-lock |
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| 16:36.27 | zoran | I found reports about overheating |
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| 16:36.47 | zoran | people, not all, say it burns after minute or five |
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| 16:37.20 | L0cutus | lol |
| 16:37.21 | zoran | L0cutus, the price sounds acout the same here |
| 16:37.26 | L0cutus | i'll ask my friend if you want |
| 16:37.34 | zoran | yes, please |
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| 16:37.43 | L0cutus | now it is not online :( |
| 16:37.48 | zoran | it is made in Hungary |
| 16:37.58 | zoran | k, no hurry |
| 16:38.20 | zoran | I look and make decision not so fast |
| 16:38.28 | L0cutus | i think i'll see it this tonight on irc |
| 16:38.49 | zoran | tomorrow is fine, just as the next week and... |
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| 16:57.59 | alterego | Yes, you would think they'd be pretty up on that subject. |
| 16:58.25 | DRoBeR | ptman, I finally installed the OpenVPN in my n800. :) ¡Cool! Now I can start to use it outside ^_^ |
| 16:58.28 | alterego | solmumaha, you fancy testing a libosso package for me in about an hour? |
| 16:58.47 | DRoBeR | Salve, alterego. |
| 16:58.51 | alterego | Not finished the documentation but I'm half way through writing a large example. |
| 16:59.01 | alterego | Aloha |
| 17:00.38 | DRoBeR | "Ave, n800. moNituri te salutant." |
| 17:01.07 | DRoBeR | I want to say this at an 810 x) |
| 17:02.23 | alterego | Hmm, I should probably take a break soon actually. |
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| 17:09.44 | czr | alterego, writing examples is fun :-) |
| 17:09.55 | alterego | Yeah, I got bored of the documentation. |
| 17:10.04 | czr | I was being ironic :-) |
| 17:10.21 | alterego | I figure it's best for me to _at_least_ have some well commented working examples for people to check out. |
| 17:10.29 | Tak | IRONY WILL NOT BE TOLERATED |
| 17:10.30 | alterego | So I'm doing them in a kind of mini-tutorial fashion. |
| 17:10.31 | czr | indeed it is |
| 17:10.47 | czr | Tak, caps will? :-) |
| 17:10.47 | alterego | I'll stall the API until I have more free time. |
| 17:11.00 | czr | alterego, you mean you got it stabilized now? ;-) |
| 17:11.04 | alterego | And more of an idea of how I want the API to be formatted and stored :/ |
| 17:11.09 | czr | i.e., you're ready to release the final version ;-) |
| 17:11.18 | alterego | I'm very close. |
| 17:11.34 | czr | nothing is as permanent as temporary glue |
| 17:11.35 | alterego | The only thing that's really stalled me is documentation and rewriting LibOSSO extension. |
| 17:11.46 | alterego | And work. |
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| 17:12.11 | alterego | I'd rather be doing this than working, but unfortunately it doesn't pay the bills ;) |
| 17:12.13 | czr | work is keeping me from doing fun stuff as well :-) |
| 17:12.20 | alterego | :) |
| 17:12.36 | Tak | thirded |
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| 17:16.36 | Q1 | Hi - did anyone compile the truecrypt package for the N8x0 ? |
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| 17:21.21 | Tak | disq: does maemoscrobbler handle love/ban/tags/etc ? |
| 17:21.34 | disq | no |
| 17:21.45 | Tak | I see. |
| 17:21.47 | disq | those are only applicable for last.fm radio anyways |
| 17:21.49 | Tak | plans? :-) |
| 17:21.52 | disq | no. |
| 17:22.04 | Tak | oh, really? you can't love a track you're playing locally? |
| 17:22.08 | disq | the only plan is to upgrade the protocol version from 1.1 to 1.2 |
| 17:22.17 | disq | according to the protocol, you can't (last i checked :) ) |
| 17:22.23 | Tak | hmm, ok |
| 17:23.54 | czr | no love for you tak. |
| 17:24.09 | czr | otoh, no ban either. so it's a win/lose-situation :-) |
| 17:24.31 | czr | those tend to balance out quite nicely in the end, so I wouldn't worry too much |
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| 17:43.12 | disq | :) |
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| 18:18.37 | solmumaha | alterego: what do you want me to test? |
| 18:19.14 | procto | does anyone know where the search engine home applet stores its search engine listing? |
| 18:19.17 | procto | I can't find it |
| 18:19.33 | alterego | Just the library. |
| 18:19.37 | alterego | Have a play with it. |
| 18:19.41 | alterego | Tell me what you think of the API. |
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| 18:30.23 | procto | anyone? |
| 18:30.30 | procto | is it compiled in? |
| 18:31.21 | alterego | Probably in some SQLite database somewhere. But I don't really know. |
| 18:32.07 | procto | ah |
| 18:32.07 | procto | hm |
| 18:32.07 | procto | what extension do those usually have? |
| 18:32.09 | alterego | Well, they don't. |
| 18:32.15 | alterego | Sometimes .sqlite3 |
| 18:32.20 | |R | http://www.wired.com/gadgets/gadgetreviews/magazine/test2007/st_essay |
| 18:32.20 | alterego | Sometimes .db |
| 18:32.20 | procto | that's what I was afraid of |
| 18:32.24 | alterego | Sometimes nothing at all. |
| 18:32.39 | procto | looked for both |
| 18:32.47 | procto | in the /usr/ hierarchy? |
| 18:32.58 | alterego | Doubt it. |
| 18:32.58 | alterego | Probably in var |
| 18:33.00 | procto | there aren't any redable strings inside the .so for the applet |
| 18:33.01 | alterego | Maybe etc |
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| 18:33.55 | alterego | Could possible even be in tmp |
| 18:34.22 | procto | got it! |
| 18:34.28 | alterego | But like I said, I don't know. :) |
| 18:34.29 | procto | I found the dpkg info for the package |
| 18:34.41 | procto | it's at /usr/share/mis/ |
| 18:34.50 | alterego | Groovy |
| 18:34.53 | procto | there are just xml files there |
| 18:35.00 | procto | now I can add search engines to it |
| 18:35.09 | procto | and make it more useful than just google and wikipedia! |
| 18:35.11 | procto | hurrah! |
| 18:35.22 | alterego | Just read the files |
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| 18:37.01 | procto | yeah |
| 18:37.08 | procto | I think it uses the same format that firefox search does |
| 18:37.11 | procto | checking now |
| 18:40.22 | procto | poo, it's not |
| 18:40.26 | procto | I can live with that |
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| 18:50.01 | GeneralAntilles | So, if I want to set up the up/down keys on the d-pad to page up/down in the browser, would there be any way to set up the right or left direction as show/hide toolbar? |
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| 18:52.52 | maximCT | |R: you there? ... we chatted the other day about ssh -w and vpn ... just wanted to report that this is working for me with rtcomm ... |
| 18:53.03 | |R | wooohoo |
| 18:53.16 | |R | maximCT : can you describe what you did? |
| 18:53.25 | maximCT | sure... |
| 18:53.26 | |R | maximCT : i'm having a weird fuck-up here... |
| 18:53.40 | maximCT | ssh -w any:any <mylinuxmachineathome> |
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| 18:53.47 | |R | if i tunnel to some machine, setup 2 ips (ifconfig x pointopoint y, and the reverse on the other one) |
| 18:54.00 | |R | and then ping over the tunnel it works, but ping -f will kill the tunnel within a minute |
| 18:54.13 | |R | so i didn't try on the n800 yet... |
| 18:54.29 | maximCT | I start the ssh on the N800 ... |
| 18:54.37 | maximCT | then I ifconfig the 2 tunnel interfaces... |
| 18:54.42 | maximCT | and add default route on the N800 ... |
| 18:54.45 | maximCT | that's pretty much it... |
| 18:54.47 | |R | ok |
| 18:55.10 | maximCT | I noticed though that if I try this with a OpenBSD machine at home it's not working |
| 18:55.18 | |R | uhm :| |
| 18:55.18 | maximCT | but with my Fedora Linux box it does... |
| 18:55.28 | |R | what's not working? |
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| 18:55.38 | |R | the tun0 doesn't exist? |
| 18:56.08 | maximCT | ah.. wait a sec... no .. that's unrelated... I run packet filter on OpenBSD and came to the conclusion that the filter screws it... |
| 18:56.22 | maximCT | without poking too many holes into the firewall ... so ignore that last comment I've made. |
| 18:56.32 | |R | let's say the tunnel is on 10.* and home is on 192.168.* ... do you need to have special routing / forward / NAT on the home-box? :) |
| 18:57.02 | |R | if you have 2 linux machines near by without any iptables... i'd be curious to know what you get from: |
| 18:57.07 | |R | ssh -w any:any machine 2 |
| 18:57.08 | maximCT | well .. I have static IP's at home and use binat on the firewall ... |
| 18:57.25 | |R | ifconfig tun0 10.0.0.2 pointopoint 10.0.0.3 (on machine 1 let's say) |
| 18:57.26 | |R | reverse on 2 |
| 18:57.40 | |R | and then ping -f 10.0.0.2 from 2 or the reverse |
| 18:57.59 | |R | after around a minute, it dies here, from many pairs of machines, i wonder why |
| 18:58.35 | maximCT | just doing the ping -f ... |
| 18:58.44 | |R | ok, let it run for a while |
| 18:58.55 | |R | do a watch ifconfig on one of the machines |
| 18:58.59 | |R | or look at a CPU meter hehe |
| 18:59.05 | |R | at some point, it just stops her |
| 18:59.07 | |R | here |
| 18:59.36 | maximCT | I see nothing unusual |
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| 19:00.11 | |R | i was toying with tunnel routing yesterday... machine 1 <-> 2 <-> 3 <-> n800 ... and i get pretty weird results... |
| 19:00.13 | |R | let me try again ;) |
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| 19:03.47 | |R | argh... it lasts 15 seconds and dies... |
| 19:04.00 | |R | after that, the ...... in ping becomes EEEEEEEE |
| 19:05.15 | |R | but i never get, in ifconfig tun0, any errors, dropped, overruns, collisions or frame / carrier... |
| 19:05.17 | maximCT | |R: just stopped my ping -f ... no problems... |
| 19:05.17 | czr | it's sending consecutive Evil bits? |
| 19:05.23 | maximCT | but have to hop on a conference call now... |
| 19:05.32 | |R | ok, ttyl :) |
| 19:05.43 | maximCT | |R: I want to put some nice scripts around that though ... so once I have that perhaps I can publish them somewhere. |
| 19:06.06 | |R | maximCT : same here, i just wish i could understand the fuck up i have :| |
| 19:06.59 | maximCT | |R: in the meantime you might want to compare versions of ssh and sshd... |
| 19:07.53 | |R | they're all 4.6p1-Debian5* (either n800, debian unstabl or ubuntu gutsy!) |
| 19:08.34 | czr | |R, tun0 is not a physical ethernet device, so you will never see ethernet-level error statistics on it |
| 19:08.36 | |R | all kernels are 2.6.22 or later |
| 19:09.02 | czr | you should check the sw that is connected to tun0 |
| 19:09.05 | |R | czr : good to know ! but then, let me get tcpdump out ;) |
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| 19:16.47 | |R | aurhm... |
| 19:17.00 | |R | it really just dies, i see my echo request / reply and it just stops |
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| 19:25.28 | Tak | alterego: did you mention something about treeview being broken on the devices? |
| 19:25.36 | alterego | Tak, it is yeah. |
| 19:27.14 | Tak | like...spontaneous segfaults broken? |
| 19:27.24 | alterego | Erm, no. |
| 19:27.38 | alterego | Like, it doesn't render the expand collapse triangles. |
| 19:28.04 | Tak | hm |
| 19:28.11 | Tak | then I have larger problems |
| 19:28.14 | alterego | Are you working in C? |
| 19:31.16 | Tak | ruby |
| 19:31.26 | alterego | Hmmm. |
| 19:31.32 | |R | maximCT : uhm, i just did an scp transfer of 1.5G over the tunnel and it worked, but 15 secs of ping -f forces me to quit ssh and ssh -w back in again :| |
| 19:31.34 | czr | alterego, you found a friend! |
| 19:31.42 | alterego | May I see the source? |
| 19:31.57 | alterego | With the exception of the rendering problem I've not had a problem. |
| 19:32.00 | Tak | this is a gtk+ app that works fine on a pc, though |
| 19:32.06 | alterego | Ah. |
| 19:32.18 | alterego | Interesting. |
| 19:34.55 | |R | maximCT : wtf, now i have both ends on ping -f and it won't die...! |
| 19:38.55 | alterego | Hmm, |
| 19:41.38 | alterego | I'm feeling a bit ill today. Got a really bad throat and kind of shakey. |
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| 19:42.46 | solmumaha | try rum |
| 19:44.38 | alterego | Probably time I stopped sleeping with the window open. |
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| 19:56.11 | Tak | hmm - it looks like my app is crashing because it's expecting sane behavior from the treeview |
| 19:59.07 | alterego | What kind of behaviour? |
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| 19:59.14 | alterego | The treeview is out of my scope :/ |
| 19:59.28 | alterego | Gtk bindings are done by the ruby-gnome2 project. |
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| 20:09.51 | Tak | I know it's not you; no worries |
| 20:10.58 | Tak | I'm pretty sure it's a gtk->maemo issue, not a ruby->ruby-maemo issue |
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| 20:16.35 | alterego | Well, let me know how you get on. I've personally used TreeView and I've not had any issues (except the nasty rendering problem). |
| 20:16.45 | Tak | hm |
| 20:16.59 | alterego | Which has something to do with the hacked Gtk in Maemo. |
| 20:17.09 | alterego | Hopefully fixed in OS2008 :) |
| 20:17.15 | Tak | for one thing, it's not selecting my leaves programmatically |
| 20:17.32 | alterego | :/ |
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| 20:43.26 | alterego | I seem to be doing a lot better writing documentation in plain text. |
| 20:43.37 | alterego | I probably should have done this before and marked it up later .. |
| 20:43.43 | disq | plain text documentation rules |
| 20:44.07 | alterego | It's more fun. |
| 20:44.14 | disq | I even use some ascii art for outlining (a "-" or "+" before each item in a list, etc) |
| 20:45.31 | alterego | :) |
| 20:45.40 | alterego | I'm using '*' ;) |
| 20:45.53 | alterego | I normally use '-' for my notes.. |
| 20:46.54 | alterego | http://maemo.rubyx.co.uk/sandbox/draft-libosso.txt |
| 20:47.14 | alterego | I just did all that in about 15 minutes. |
| 20:47.37 | disq | ooh. pretty |
| 20:48.16 | Tak | hah @ coolbacks |
| 20:48.30 | alterego | I think the only thing marking it up would do is add the ability to easily navigate through it and to other documents. |
| 20:48.36 | alterego | :) I'm about to write that section. |
| 20:48.58 | alterego | The API is pretty large. |
| 20:49.16 | disq | what is your preferred monospace font? |
| 20:49.25 | disq | i love fixedsys. not ashamed of it |
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| 20:49.46 | alterego | I'm using "Fixed" |
| 20:50.05 | alterego | Fixed->SemiCondensed 9pt |
| 20:50.35 | alterego | I think that's the same as you as I can't see a "Fixedsys" in my font list :) |
| 20:51.24 | GeneralAntilles | Monaco. >_> |
| 20:51.35 | alterego | Monaco? |
| 20:52.22 | GeneralAntilles | It's an Apple fixed-width font. :D |
| 20:53.19 | alterego | http://alterego.freeshell.org/images/deskshot.png |
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| 20:54.08 | trevarthan | Hey, can anyone here get me a Jaiku invite? |
| 20:54.26 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe: http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/mydesktop.jpg |
| 20:54.51 | trevarthan | I requested one yesterday but haven't heard anything. I need to check out mauku's scroll widget. :) |
| 20:55.27 | alterego | That's an interesting resolution ^_^ |
| 20:55.40 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 20:56.07 | GeneralAntilles | Should probably have delineated screen edges. |
| 20:56.13 | alterego | Does your Mac book pro really go 4800x1950?! |
| 20:56.18 | alterego | (has to get one of those) |
| 20:56.21 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 20:56.27 | alterego | ;) |
| 20:56.31 | GeneralAntilles | It's 4 LCDs |
| 20:56.36 | alterego | That's like an internet tablet DPI ^_^ |
| 20:56.38 | Tak | that's actually a screenshot from an N800 |
| 20:56.41 | Tak | :-P |
| 20:57.08 | GeneralAntilles | I should do it again, but with a couple ITs on the main screen through VNC |
| 20:57.15 | Tak | nokia pumped it up to 1000dpi for os2008 |
| 20:57.28 | alterego | Hah |
| 20:57.43 | GeneralAntilles | Wouldn't that be awesome. |
| 20:57.56 | GeneralAntilles | "Better than Print" resolution. |
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| 20:58.03 | Tak | hah, I'm pretty sure my brain couldn't tell the difference |
| 20:58.13 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe, that'd be the idea. :D |
| 20:58.15 | alterego | No, me either. |
| 20:58.25 | alterego | I don't think I can really make out pixels on the N800's screen. |
| 20:58.51 | GeneralAntilles | Which is how it should be. |
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| 20:59.25 | GeneralAntilles | We need more resolution-indepent UIs and some medical-dpi desktop LCDs. |
| 21:01.18 | ds3 | Display Postscript! |
| 21:01.46 | disq | that's a big desktop |
| 21:02.45 | disq | http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/2393/20071024235841si2.png that's mine |
| 21:02.49 | disq | and fixedsys <3 |
| 21:03.00 | GeneralAntilles | It's . . . blue. |
| 21:03.06 | disq | sorry it's windows |
| 21:03.07 | disq | :P |
| 21:03.31 | GeneralAntilles | Why not use Classic? |
| 21:03.50 | disq | i'm used to this |
| 21:03.57 | disq | classic's too 2000 :P |
| 21:03.58 | GeneralAntilles | At least that has some semblance of decency, even if it's of the mid-90s sort. |
| 21:04.56 | alterego | Tak, if you're wondering about the "coolback" part. It's because I decided to become evil. When you assign a LibOSSO callback in Ruby, you get an "OSSO::Callback" object. That object has 'proc' and 'data' attributes which can be changed after you've created the callback. Allowing you to completely bend/break the callback's functionality to your will. Without having to remove and add a new callback. |
| 21:05.08 | alterego | Which is good considering some callbacks you can't de-register .. |
| 21:05.20 | Tak | nice |
| 21:05.46 | Tak | how is that implemented on the backend? nested callback? |
| 21:06.13 | disq | the only problem with fixedsys is it doesn't have unicode line drawing chars. and "mc -a" refuses to draw with ascii unless the locale is "C" but that also kills utf8 |
| 21:07.01 | alterego | Yeah, pretty much. I wrote the "real" callbacks, the gpointer/void data argument is actually a C struct that contains a reference to two ruby objects. The first is a "proc" field the second is a "data" field. |
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| 21:07.42 | alterego | That worked fine. But I realised, when removing some callbacks in the API I needed to keep some kind of handle to the callback data. So I created the OSSO::Callback class. |
| 21:08.04 | alterego | Then I turned evil and added accessors to the internals of the data structure .. |
| 21:08.27 | |R | urhm, is there a nat module for the latest 2007 kernel? |
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| 21:13.17 | sp3000 | arghblarghfhzeroinstall |
| 21:13.29 | alterego | Nice. |
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| 21:29.47 | |R | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=260&release_id=649 <- anyone using this on latest firmware? |
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| 21:40.22 | hozano | Hi folks. How to switch the audio flow to speaker when the headphone is plugged? |
| 21:43.57 | alterego | hozano, I don't think you can. |
| 21:44.12 | derf | You can sometimes, at random, for no apparent reason. |
| 21:44.25 | derf | At least that was my experience with the fm radio applet. |
| 21:44.34 | hozano | alterego, the FM Radio do it... |
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| 21:47.06 | SLi | Hi, I'm trying to get started writing a hildon input method, got the example plugin src from launchpad.net (is that the correct place? Is it somewhere in the maemo repo?), but it doesn't build because I don't have pkg-config packages 'hildon-input-method-framework-3.0' and 'hildon-input-method-ui-3.0'. Is this stuff somewhere available as debs or something? |
| 21:52.48 | SLi | Hmm, is that for post-3.2, whatever it was named... Is there corresponding stuff for bora? |
| 21:53.11 | SLi | chinook. |
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| 22:01.37 | drseashell | is there a good nintendo emu for the n800? |
| 22:02.14 | SLi | Seems I'm missing hildon-input-method-framework-dev (>= 1:1.99.8-1) libhildon-im-ui-dev (>= 1:1.99.13-1). |
| 22:03.02 | SLi | What's sardine? |
| 22:03.02 | _Monkey | hmmm... sardine is (very) unstable or http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_GetStartedWithSardine |
| 22:03.14 | SLi | Ok. |
| 22:03.25 | SLi | Hmm, ok. |
| 22:03.37 | |R | drseashell : fceu with xmaeme as a frontend works fin |
| 22:03.39 | |R | fine |
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| 22:04.11 | SLi | Then that's probably not what I want. I guess I just have too new hildon im example. |
| 22:04.15 | SLi | Or something. |
| 22:06.51 | SLi | There's a howto at http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_him_bora.html but I wonder if it's current. At least the src link at the very bottom is broken. |
| 22:07.29 | t_s_o | there are days when i wonder why i read umpcportal... |
| 22:10.53 | drseashell | thanks |R |
| 22:11.07 | Jaffa | New version of mediaserv released fixing loads of issues: http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/ |
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| 22:12.08 | drseashell | loads of issues |
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| 22:19.09 | t_s_o | hmm, has anyone tried grasemonkey on the 770? |
| 22:19.23 | Tak | heh, I haven't even tried the microb engine yet |
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| 22:27.42 | t_s_o | ugh, with the recent price drop of the N800 im getting a bit pissed that i forked over cash for the 770 |
| 22:28.04 | t_s_o | and i guess it does not help that its currently suffering from wsod :( |
| 22:28.05 | GeneralAntilles | Just fork over some more for an N800 and keep the 770 as a dedicated couch-machine. :) |
| 22:29.18 | t_s_o | im considering that GeneralAntilles. with its dual flash slots and the upcoming os08 its becoming on sweet sweet device :D |
| 22:29.45 | GeneralAntilles | I've got an N800 and two 770s. |
| 22:29.52 | R[a]sk | WSOD? White Screen of Death? |
| 22:29.53 | GeneralAntilles | One 770 for the couch and one for the nightstand |
| 22:29.58 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, R[a]sk |
| 22:30.05 | Rask330 | That sounds spooky. |
| 22:30.31 | t_s_o | its basically a hardware failure of the control chip for the display |
| 22:30.59 | Tak | t_s_o: you didn't get a developer device? |
| 22:31.15 | t_s_o | Tak: developer device? |
| 22:31.45 | SLi | Is there some versioning weirdness going on in hildon-input-method? In my SDK I have hildon-input-method 2.0.23-2, but in the svn repo 1.99.32 was tagged yesterday :P |
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| 22:32.39 | SLi | Apparently yes, since 3.0.0 was tagged further down in the file... |
| 22:33.13 | SLi | Gah. I'd just like to know if it's possible to develop input method plugins for bora and if, how :P |
| 22:33.34 | SLi | The howto would indicate it's possible, but the example src link is broken. |
| 22:33.35 | Tak | discounted device for development? |
| 22:34.06 | GeneralAntilles | Seems like a waste of time with Chinook just around the corner. |
| 22:34.18 | derf | SLi: http://maemocjk.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 22:34.23 | derf | I would say it's possible. |
| 22:34.38 | t_s_o | Tak: i got no clue what your talking about |
| 22:35.02 | SLi | derf, hmm, interesting. Got to look at that. |
| 22:35.05 | GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/1192708879.html |
| 22:35.09 | GeneralAntilles | Except for the N800. |
| 22:36.26 | SLi | derf, hmh, that seems to replace HIM according to the FAQ. |
| 22:36.35 | derf | SLi: Yes, it does. |
| 22:36.52 | derf | Oh, you said "plugins"... missed that word. |
| 22:37.29 | SLi | Yeah. :) http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_him_bora.html indicates it would be possible, but the src link is broken and someone has asked before here if it's available somewhere else, according to googled irc logs :P |
| 22:41.34 | t_s_o | thanks GeneralAntilles, submitted. but i find it unlikely that i get in :) |
| 22:43.15 | Rask330 | I should really try my hand at maemo development... it seems like an area where there's lots of stuff to be done. |
| 22:44.02 | t_s_o | same here, maybe ill look into python if i ever get my 770 fixed or a new device going (python dont much care what os it runs on, right?) |
| 22:44.23 | Rask330 | Like maybe writing a wiimote interface, so people can look at you funny while you try to aim the pointer at a tiny handheld device :D |
| 22:44.42 | t_s_o | :p |
| 22:45.16 | t_s_o | i wondered about going nuts and look into a opensync ui |
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| 22:46.08 | Rask330 | I was wondering about that myself, honestly... one of the things I'd like to eventually do with my N800 is completely replace my PDA. |
| 22:46.55 | Rask330 | Because my Palm, my N800, my phone, my keyboard, my wallet, my keys, my pens, and my change are becoming a bit too much for my pockets. |
| 22:47.08 | Rask330 | It makes me wish it wasn't such a social faux pas for men to carry purses. XD |
| 22:47.36 | disq | things are going good for email. will have modest beta by the chinook release. we're getting imap in gmail. |
| 22:47.52 | t_s_o | Rask330: only in some parts of the world ;) |
| 22:48.11 | Rask330 | t_s_o: True, but I live in the USA. :) |
| 22:48.29 | t_s_o | Rask330: i was about to guess that |
| 22:48.37 | SLi | I've got a belt bag. Totally nonesthetic but I don't care. Who cares about people anyway when you can carry geeky gadgets :P |
| 22:48.47 | t_s_o | here they sell them at one of the larger clothes chains |
| 22:49.03 | Rask330 | Maybe I could get away with an attache case or something... |
| 22:49.12 | Rask330 | Or a "messenger bag". |
| 22:49.31 | disq | i got a postmans bag which i carry my dslr in. i put my keys and n800 there too (if i have the bag with me that is) |
| 22:56.25 | t_s_o | hmm, os08 on the 770?! interesting ;) |
| 22:57.33 | ds3 | become a borg |
| 22:57.46 | ds3 | use a HMD full time |
| 22:57.47 | t_s_o | ? |
| 22:57.50 | t_s_o | ah :P |
| 22:58.02 | t_s_o | just need some kind of workable input |
| 22:58.05 | ds3 | headband with all the different radios |
| 22:58.15 | ds3 | biometric inputs of course |
| 22:58.59 | GeneralAntilles | Those messenger bags are killer on your back. |
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| 23:00.38 | ds3 | wasn't there some talk about the N800 generating either NTSC or PAL output a while back? |
| 23:05.11 | gla55 | well.. i can imagine some people hoping/imagining it possible since n95 that runs the same hw to a certain degree has tv-out.. |
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| 23:05.28 | gla55 | but havent seen anything concrete |
| 23:05.45 | gla55 | if even the right stuff is connected or not. probably not. |
| 23:06.51 | GeneralAntilles | Time to pull out the soldering iron. ;) |
| 23:07.25 | t_s_o | heh |
| 23:07.51 | t_s_o | hmm, i found a local webshop that sells replacement buttons and lcd for the N800, but not for the 770 :( |
| 23:08.08 | GeneralAntilles | You'd need a new mobo. |
| 23:08.13 | GeneralAntilles | It's not the screen |
| 23:08.15 | GeneralAntilles | it's the controller. |
| 23:08.16 | t_s_o | but i guess the cost of one would be higher then the device itself |
| 23:08.36 | t_s_o | and those two are not made as one unit? |
| 23:08.49 | GeneralAntilles | Don't think so |
| 23:08.52 | GeneralAntilles | could be wrong, though. |
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| 23:10.26 | ds3 | all the cheap HMDs are NTSC only :( |
| 23:10.35 | ds3 | well, NTSC/PAL |
| 23:13.50 | SLi | Just for the log, if someone else asks again (this is becoming a faq according to irc logs): him-plugins-sdk-example-0.0.2.tar.gz is still available at http://test.maemo.org/downloads/him-plugin-examples/ (the im howto page link should be updated). |
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