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| 00:15.11 | massoud | I don t see how can I add the extra menu ? |
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| 00:16.22 | pupnik | massoud - i dunno about 2007 - is there a task navigator in Control panel? |
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| 00:17.36 | massoud | pupnick : I check |
| 00:20.13 | massoud | I don t see it hmm |
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| 00:29.22 | dolske | wow, scratchbox is not exactly tiny. 176MB! |
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| 00:35.32 | tmccrary | Does the N810 actually come with a built in FM transmitter? I've seen it mentioned on a few websites, but I don't see any of the official docs mention it. |
| 00:35.40 | tmccrary | I am looking forward to upgrading my N770 |
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| 00:39.00 | TPC | tmccrary, no, there is no built in fm transmitter |
| 00:39.15 | celesteh | the 800 ras an fm receiver. maybe there's confusion about that? |
| 00:39.38 | TPC | one page listed it as an add-on you could buy, some other site read it wrong and listed it as built in, then it spread to a few more places, one of which you probably read it on |
| 00:40.24 | tmccrary | ah, that sucks, but I suppose an add-on will do. Thanks for clearing that up for me :) |
| 00:41.43 | tmccrary | Is there anyword on when the general public will be able to buy one of these? I've only seen "November" |
| 00:42.34 | TPC | mid november, not anything more specific than that |
| 00:42.51 | zerojay | Wouldn't be surprised if it was a month to the day of the announcement. |
| 00:42.59 | TPC | altought you really should consider getting a N800, the price on them have dropped recently, and the hardware is almost the same |
| 00:43.09 | TPC | its really worth getting instead if you can live without keyboard and GPS |
| 00:43.25 | TPC | (can always get an external GPS) |
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| 01:05.08 | dolske | *sigh* |
| 01:05.37 | dolske | I updated scratchbox to try and fix the quilt problem, and now dpkg-buildpackage disappeared. |
| 01:06.16 | dolske | Looks like "try building MicroB" will go back to the bottom of the to-do list, maybe tools will be more usuable in a month or three. :( |
| 01:11.08 | doublec | what instructions did you follow to install scratchbox? |
| 01:11.23 | doublec | I followed this: http://www.linuxmachine.net/2007/07/developing-on-the-n800-part-one/ |
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| 01:34.24 | pupnik | I think the 810 looks byootiful. |
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| 01:42.55 | pupnik | i need to hear the fceu-test report on N800 |
| 01:43.18 | pupnik | i mean N810 |
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| 02:01.13 | doublec | I added a bug about the build documentation for microb: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2152 |
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| 04:52.58 | fASG | @find solutions |
| 04:53.14 | fASG | @find solutions |
| 04:53.26 | fASG | !search solutions |
| 04:53.33 | fASG | !help |
| 05:00.30 | jeremyb | fASG: you think there's a mind reading bot in here? |
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| 06:24.15 | ulpe | oh man i hate this |
| 06:24.28 | ulpe | how do you reset the password in canola... |
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| 07:26.42 | Zvjer | morning |
| 07:26.43 | _Monkey | aloha |
| 07:29.26 | Veggen | (pet peeve: Why does _Monkey respond to those?) |
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| 07:30.00 | Veggen | ...and *who* owns _Monkey? (never got a reply on that one :) |
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| 08:03.29 | sciboy | Hi fab! |
| 08:04.46 | fab | hi sciboy |
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| 09:22.47 | timely_changelog | hello #maemo |
| 09:23.08 | timely_changelog | in case people are curious, it does seem to be /almost/ possible to browse https://maemo.org/profile/view/ |
| 09:23.09 | _Monkey | Hmm. No matches for that, timely_changelog. |
| 09:23.23 | timely_changelog | ? |
| 09:23.34 | timely_changelog | anyway, steps: |
| 09:23.37 | timely_changelog | 1. search garage: https://garage.maemo.org/search/?type_of_search=people&words=com&Search=Search |
| 09:23.59 | timely_changelog | 2. pick a name, e.g. zion |
| 09:24.04 | timely_changelog | 3. load https://maemo.org/profile/view/zion.html |
| 09:25.06 | timely_changelog | (searching for 'tom\ seems to work better than 'com') |
| 09:28.48 | c0ffee | hum hum |
| 09:28.58 | c0ffee | SPASS 3.0 for n800 :) |
| 09:29.09 | c0ffee | an pretty advanced automated theorem prover |
| 09:29.40 | c0ffee | also most non-trivial problems will probably hit the resource limits of the n800 faster than you can say bleep |
| 09:29.47 | DRoBeR | Hello again |
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| 09:43.16 | b0unc3 | hi |
| 09:43.17 | _Monkey | que tal, b0unc3 |
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| 09:58.53 | unique311 | wikipedia asking for donations...wow |
| 09:59.13 | unique311 | why not just put up a couple of google adds... |
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| 10:12.30 | bansteen | hello every one |
| 10:12.46 | bansteen | i can't drag divs in the web browser |
| 10:12.56 | bansteen | not in google map too |
| 10:13.08 | zerojay | File a bug. |
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| 10:13.37 | bansteen | nokia n800 has dragging capabilities |
| 10:13.44 | Jiten | oh that's right. I was thinking about filing a bug on that but I forgot after I noticed google maps data showing perfectly fine in maemo mapper. |
| 10:14.01 | bansteen | but why cant i drag in google map |
| 10:14.17 | bansteen | dragging doest not work in any website |
| 10:14.36 | zerojay | maybe it's because dragging usually activates scrolling. |
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| 10:19.49 | bansteen | do u know any solution pal |
| 10:19.56 | bansteen | zerojay:? |
| 10:20.19 | zerojay | Yes. |
| 10:20.21 | zerojay | File a bug. |
| 10:21.21 | bansteen | zerojay:lol |
| 10:21.47 | bansteen | zerojay:I have a deadline today |
| 10:22.04 | bansteen | zerojay:but i will file a bug |
| 10:22.56 | sp3000 | it works in microb, so... |
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| 10:25.02 | bansteen | sp3000:r u sure? |
| 10:25.10 | bansteen | sp3000:i have it installed |
| 10:25.14 | zerojay | Yeah, if the bug is on Opera, it's just not going to be fixed. |
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| 10:25.53 | bansteen | i have microb but still i cant drag divs or google map |
| 10:25.59 | bansteen | inside micro b browser |
| 10:26.12 | bansteen | i select the engine opera to micro b |
| 10:26.20 | bansteen | or microb to opera |
| 10:26.27 | bansteen | it does not change |
| 10:26.34 | bansteen | it always stays microb |
| 10:26.58 | zerojay | It just doesn't change which is selected by default in that menu. |
| 10:27.09 | zerojay | If you want microb, select it and then restart your browser. |
| 10:27.11 | bansteen | yes |
| 10:27.25 | bansteen | will dragging work then |
| 10:27.30 | zerojay | Try it. |
| 10:27.39 | zerojay | Works for me. |
| 10:27.39 | bansteen | ok trying |
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| 10:31.26 | bansteen | thnks man |
| 10:31.28 | bansteen | its working |
| 10:31.33 | bansteen | thnks a lot |
| 10:31.54 | zerojay | enjoy. |
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| 10:37.54 | Jiten | ah, right, you can already install microb. I guess I should try it. |
| 10:41.13 | lardman | morning |
| 10:41.14 | _Monkey | aloha |
| 10:41.51 | lardman | Anyone with knowlege of mmus out there? |
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| 10:43.32 | lardman | I'll even take people with a vague idea of what they are... :) |
| 10:44.33 | zerojay | memory mapping unit? |
| 10:44.37 | lardman | yep |
| 10:44.59 | lardman | :) |
| 10:45.31 | mgedmin | any prizes for the second place? |
| 10:45.51 | lardman | Does anyone know how mmus can share memory - i.e. the ARM mmu and the DSP mmu somehow share memory - this may be by exporting the DSP memory space via a /dev entry (/dec/dsp/mem or something like that) |
| 10:45.55 | zerojay | A free beta of the Microb browser. ;) |
| 10:46.38 | lardman | if that's true, the kernel would be talking to the DSP's mmu |
| 10:47.13 | alterego | Does the DSP have an MMU? |
| 10:47.17 | lardman | I ask because I've run out of TLB's on the ARM side, and was wondering why. It appears that the ARM mmu only maps 0x10000 bytes of memory to a single tlb |
| 10:47.34 | lardman | alterego: yes |
| 10:47.54 | alterego | Interesting. |
| 10:48.25 | lardman | alterego: http://focus.ti.com/dsp/docs/dspsupporttechdocsc.tsp?abstractName=spru671§ionId=3&tabId=409 |
| 10:49.04 | alterego | It's okay, I believe you :P |
| 10:49.26 | alterego | My RSI is playing up a bit today :/ Might have to code with one hand. |
| 10:50.02 | lardman | alterego: just for completeness' sake :) |
| 10:50.11 | alterego | :) |
| 10:50.55 | lardman | Anyway, it appears that the DSP mmu can map in different sized chunks, I was hoping to map 0x100000 words (which the DSP mmu should do with a single tlb), but on the ARM side this is then mapped with lots of tlbs in 0x10000 chunks |
| 10:51.26 | alterego | Right |
| 10:52.04 | lardman | as there are only 32 tlbs on the ARM (so I've read) and I'm getting an error, I thought I'd ask what on earth is going on - i.e. don't tlbs get reused (perhaps not in this case, hence the question about how memory is shared) and can't the ARM use a larger page size? |
| 10:53.17 | alterego | I'd imagine that's a kernel thing. |
| 10:54.33 | lardman | oh yes, this is all in the kernel |
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| 11:17.39 | lardman | hmm, distinct lack of mmu-ishness atm |
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| 11:26.55 | Robot101 | alterego: I think they'll be released at the same time, to flash on the N800 at the same time as the N810 comes out |
| 11:27.04 | alterego | Hmm, |
| 11:27.15 | alterego | Personally I think it'd be better to release it just before the N810 comes out/ |
| 11:27.36 | alterego | N800 owners will then have the option to update and those of use that are developing software can update and test. |
| 11:28.19 | alterego | Then when everyones favorite apps are ready for maemo4 N800 owners can update and N810 owners will have packages ready and waiting :) |
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| 11:32.54 | alterego | :/ |
| 11:34.51 | sciboy | WTF! The PDF reader doesn't save your spot when closing a document. |
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| 11:36.07 | alterego | Nope |
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| 11:39.03 | sciboy | WTF! The PDF reader doesn't save your spot when closing a document. |
| 11:39.10 | sciboy | Any suggestions? |
| 11:39.11 | _Monkey | Any suggestions are welcome |
| 11:39.50 | alterego | Heh |
| 11:40.01 | alterego | Don't close the PDF reader. |
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| 11:51.36 | Jiten | I managed to get my mnemosyne port to react as fast as the program menu pops up when you tap on it. |
| 11:52.07 | Jiten | no, I didn't optimize the code. I just made use of the gobject.idle_add function |
| 11:52.14 | keesj | alterego: in what sence? |
| 11:54.21 | Jiten | there was one legitimate usage of cpu power and another (bigger) that I'd like to optimize away completely when I have time. |
| 11:54.29 | alterego | Wiki, news/blog, documentation blah blah |
| 11:54.38 | Jiten | no sense doing same calculations over and over again. |
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| 12:03.12 | Andy80 | hi |
| 12:03.21 | mbjohn | hello |
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| 12:04.35 | Andy80 | today my n770 with os2007 rebooted two times :( |
| 12:04.50 | Andy80 | not so stable.... |
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| 12:14.47 | sciboy | Is xmoto worth downloading? |
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| 12:16.45 | keesj | haha :p |
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| 12:17.38 | keesj | I do play it sometimes, but it's a little slow |
| 12:18.04 | keesj | I really wonder how much faster it will be on the 810 |
| 12:18.14 | sciboy | Does it support ugly mode? |
| 12:18.35 | keesj | yes, but that doens't really speedup |
| 12:18.58 | script | is there any way to recover passwords on maemo.org? i cannot logon to my account anymore |
| 12:18.59 | keesj | starting with 640x480 is better of even a little smaller |
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| 12:19.20 | keesj | script: do you have you n800 now? |
| 12:19.38 | script | keesj: ? |
| 12:19.47 | script | keesj: i only have a 770 |
| 12:20.01 | sciboy | Shame it seems that nokia doesn't want to comit to 3d support. |
| 12:20.07 | keesj | sorry that was for sciboy :p |
| 12:20.35 | sciboy | Yes |
| 12:21.48 | sciboy | Chatting to you on it. |
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| 12:22.48 | sciboy | Although there isn't any wifi reception in my room. =/ |
| 12:22.54 | GeneralAntilles | Obivously the only way is to setup up a Rails deployment on your N800, alterego. :P |
| 12:23.03 | alterego | Hah |
| 12:24.33 | alterego | I guess all I really need is a simple wiki |
| 12:24.41 | alterego | Everything else I can hack together in a few minutes. |
| 12:24.46 | keesj | haha |
| 12:25.02 | alterego | few minutes each ;) |
| 12:26.51 | GeneralAntilles | Just make it lightweight and functional. |
| 12:27.12 | keesj | you should start writing software in ruby to write websites on the maemo platform |
| 12:27.28 | alterego | keesj, I am. |
| 12:27.53 | keesj | good! |
| 12:29.57 | alterego | I'm writing an XML editor and a CSS editor which run standalone but are also embedded into a "Web Builder" application. |
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| 12:29.57 | alterego | Targetted specifically at tablets :) |
| 12:29.57 | GeneralAntilles | Ooh, sounds cool. |
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| 12:34.39 | Solarion | can maemo.org buy maemo.com please? :) |
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| 12:39.11 | pupnik_ | ignored |
| 12:39.31 | keesj | call +82.313880888 and ask http://maemo.pastebin.com/m5c120bec |
| 12:41.38 | Solarion | keesj: is that for me? |
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| 13:39.22 | alterego | Groovy. |
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| 14:26.07 | lardman | hmm, anyone else having troubles with ITT forum access atm? |
| 14:27.00 | Tak | seems ok to me - are you having trouble with something in particular? |
| 14:27.21 | lardman | connection is being reset |
| 14:27.40 | lardman | ah, just started working again |
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| 14:55.18 | civodul | Hi! |
| 14:55.23 | civodul | anyone has experience with MUD? |
| 14:56.17 | Tak | MultiUserDungeon, or MaemoUnofficialDebs ? |
| 14:56.23 | civodul | the latter :-) |
| 14:57.39 | mgedmin | I once built a single package with mud-builder |
| 14:57.44 | mgedmin | does that count as experience? |
| 14:57.55 | Tak | I built a few packages with mud-builder |
| 14:57.59 | keesj | what are the pins behind the 770? |
| 14:57.59 | civodul | mgedmin: sure :-) |
| 14:58.00 | mgedmin | esp given that that was a long time ago and I forgot everything |
| 14:58.11 | Tak | what I was really waiting for was autosubmission to garage extras |
| 14:58.13 | civodul | I'm trying to build Guile 1.8 and I fail miserably |
| 14:58.19 | mgedmin | keesj: serial console of some kind, afaiu |
| 14:58.37 | keesj | jtag? |
| 14:59.19 | keesj | civodul: I can try to help later on today(I think I made moost of the mud packages) |
| 14:59.27 | civodul | what happens is that MUD fetches a bunch of dependencies and apt-get ends up failing |
| 14:59.42 | civodul | I suspect the dependency parser breaks: "Need extra deps: provided, Dependency, dpatch, texinfo, by" |
| 15:00.08 | civodul | keesj: thanks, I'll keep trying in the meantime |
| 15:03.05 | Tak | hmm, trac's side-by-side diff view needs some work |
| 15:05.14 | disq | maemo garage needs trac :P |
| 15:05.39 | civodul | how's one supposed to populate MUD's `sources.list'? |
| 15:05.53 | Tak | * needs trac :-D |
| 15:06.38 | keesj | civodul: you can add one in you own mud file |
| 15:07.10 | keesj | can you paste the mud file on http://paste-it.net/ ? |
| 15:07.20 | civodul | keesj: "mud file"? you mean the package'ss `.xml' file? |
| 15:07.45 | keesj | yes the xml file |
| 15:07.49 | civodul | ok |
| 15:08.33 | civodul | keesj: http://paste-it.net/4103 |
| 15:12.52 | keesj | is there a source .deb you want to use? |
| 15:13.12 | civodul | keesj: the one from Debian unstable |
| 15:13.18 | keesj | it looks like the standards debian repo used does not contain the file |
| 15:13.20 | civodul | keesj: I tried adding a <deb-src> tag under <fetch> |
| 15:13.40 | civodul | <deb-src>http://ftp.debian.org/ unstable main</deb-src> |
| 15:13.49 | civodul | doesn't do the trick, though |
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| 15:30.23 | keesj | civodul: I will look a little more at home, I can't find the source debian file , not even on the web |
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| 15:31.47 | keesj | building frmo source looks more promessing http://paste-it.net/4104/raw/ |
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| 15:34.36 | lopz | hi |
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| 15:46.11 | alterego | I am right in thinking that LibOSSO will be eventually replaced by muari? |
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| 16:07.13 | keesj | re |
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| 16:10.49 | civodul | keesj: building from source looks cool, but one has to somehow tell it what the dependencies are... |
| 16:11.14 | keesj | I renamed the guile to guile-1.8 and it's now compiling |
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| 16:12.11 | civodul | keesj: how about the dependencies? readline, libltdl, gmp, etc. |
| 16:13.07 | civodul | keesj: BTW, ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/guile-1.8/guile-1.8_1.8.2+1.orig.tar.gz |
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| 16:14.54 | keesj | the first error I met from building from source some other gnu package |
| 16:15.14 | keesj | civodul: some are "legal" deps and other "not so much" |
| 16:15.39 | keesj | gmp == general purpose mouse I guess that you need to "configure" your way out of these packages |
| 16:15.52 | mgedmin | no, gmp is not gpm |
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| 16:16.07 | keesj | mgedmin: alright :p |
| 16:16.08 | civodul | keesj: gmp = GNU Multi-Precision lib |
| 16:16.13 | shapr | I finally got a2dp working from my desktop. |
| 16:16.19 | mgedmin | gmp is gnu multiprecision something or other, a library for calculating with very precise numbers |
| 16:16.19 | keesj | this is where is end now http://paste-it.net/a4ce4ca |
| 16:16.46 | shapr | In case anyone else wants to do a2dp from their desktop, I can help them through the rough spots. |
| 16:16.47 | civodul | hmm |
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| 16:17.39 | civodul | keesj: I went with this: http://paste-it.net/4107/raw/ |
| 16:18.20 | keesj | civodul: and you named the file guile-1.8 ? |
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| 16:18.48 | civodul | keesj: and it eventually failed like this: http://paste-it.net/4108/raw/ |
| 16:18.53 | civodul | keesj: yes, `guile-1.8.xml' |
| 16:20.06 | civodul | keesj: note borked line 14 |
| 16:20.57 | keesj | Ok I guess you show now contentrate on building gdbm the same way you do for guile |
| 16:21.08 | keesj | I see Jaffa ? |
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| 16:22.21 | akai--- | hi |
| 16:22.21 | _Monkey | bonjour, akai--- |
| 16:22.41 | civodul | //whois akai--- |
| 16:22.47 | civodul | he ;-) |
| 16:22.49 | akai--- | http://www.geocities.jp/ono_tetsu/_gl_images_/tkzinc-demo1.jpg <-- do you know what theme is this? |
| 16:23.10 | Tak | n800 default theme? |
| 16:23.24 | akai--- | hmm |
| 16:25.44 | keesj | civodul: I have a different error message at the present time so it's hard to help you |
| 16:27.41 | civodul | keesj: it's the output of `dpkg-checkbuilddeps' that's not being parsed correctly in Debian.pm |
| 16:28.41 | keesj | and the tiger is a well known svg document :p |
| 16:28.51 | civodul | keesj: for gdbm I get this: http://paste-it.net/4110/raw/ |
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| 16:29.55 | keesj | ok, so it should just not go on with these deps right? |
| 16:30.03 | civodul | sort of |
| 16:30.21 | civodul | it erroneously parses the lines "Dependency provided by Scratchbox" |
| 16:30.26 | keesj | those are build deps anyway |
| 16:30.41 | civodul | so it thinks the package depends on "Dependency", "provided", etc. |
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| 16:30.55 | civodul | perhaps my `dpkg-checkbuilddeps' is not the right version or something |
| 16:32.07 | keesj | it might be right I have a 3.2 sdk |
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| 16:32.25 | civodul | mine is from `maemo3-debian' |
| 16:32.31 | civodul | (the devkit) |
| 16:37.05 | civodul | keesj: I applied a simple patch against MUD that makes it parse the output of `dpkg-checkbuilddeps' correctly: http://paste-it.net/4111 |
| 16:37.22 | civodul | I was able to build libgdbm3 at least |
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| 16:41.10 | GeneralAntilles | Greasemonkey? |
| 16:41.11 | GeneralAntilles | Sweet. |
| 16:41.14 | GeneralAntilles | http://browser-extras.garage.maemo.org/news/3/ |
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| 16:51.00 | onion | hmm, what package am I missing in chinook sdk as dpkg complain about maemo-select-menu-location not being installed ? |
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| 16:57.05 | Andy80 | hi |
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| 17:49.49 | lardman | hmm, I see the n810 has a different (hw) audio codec |
| 17:49.55 | lardman | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10730&page=6 |
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| 17:55.30 | Atarii | hey, can sum1 just confirm whether microb works with 2007he or not? |
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| 17:57.26 | snowmoon | Atarii: haven't gotten up the nerve to try after how badly it botched 2006 |
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| 18:03.15 | jon_ | I'm trying to use client certs in a web browser, is this possible? The site says I'm not presenting any though the cert manager shows them installed... |
| 18:07.17 | ds3 | does the USB port on the N800 supply power (any power)? |
| 18:07.30 | ds3 | i know the 770 lacks power even in host mode |
| 18:07.55 | Tak | I thought the power pins weren't connected on either model |
| 18:08.06 | ds3 | oh :( |
| 18:08.15 | lardman | I think the N800 probably does supply power |
| 18:08.30 | lardman | no-one's had got host working on the n800 |
| 18:08.40 | lardman | though it looks like OS2008 makes it work |
| 18:08.50 | ds3 | oh |
| 18:09.12 | ds3 | thought all it was is a flasher option |
| 18:09.33 | snowmoon | lardman: you don't need a power injector to get host mode to work right anymore? |
| 18:09.38 | lardman | ds3: take a look at my post to the maemo-devel list a few minutes ago, it has links to the dmesg output from an n800 with os2008 |
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| 18:09.59 | lardman | I don't know either way, but the dmesg output indicates that the hub is powered |
| 18:11.08 | ds3 | who's hosting the list currently? the handheld.org one seems to ahve expired in 2006 |
| 18:11.19 | keesj | ds3: and there is some power on the usb-port (3.2 volt) |
| 18:11.47 | lardman | ds3: link http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=84835&postcount=159 |
| 18:11.48 | ds3 | all I want is to be able to use a flash drive |
| 18:11.50 | snowmoon | self poweing would be a HUGE improvement |
| 18:12.00 | keesj | that's my volt meter said , and I think it's authoritative, but I don't know how fast I will drop |
| 18:12.04 | L0cutus | hello |
| 18:12.14 | keesj | working host woudl be great |
| 18:12.15 | L0cutus | is nokia n800 usable as a pd a? |
| 18:12.19 | Atarii | anyone going to game city on thursday? |
| 18:12.20 | lardman | looks like it does that too - usb drives - look at the rest of the dmesg output |
| 18:12.30 | snowmoon | L0cutus: Yes and no |
| 18:12.58 | L0cutus | i think i hae no need sync if it can make backups |
| 18:13.04 | L0cutus | have* |
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| 18:13.17 | Jiten | ah, great, then there might be a way to use my usb-stick with my n800 soon? |
| 18:13.19 | ds3 | hmmm 200mA power budget |
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| 18:13.32 | Jiten | as long as it doesn't eat too much power |
| 18:13.35 | lardman | Jiten: I think so |
| 18:13.46 | ds3 | if that's the case, then all I need now is a tiny USB stick with a miniA connector ;) |
| 18:13.53 | lardman | :) |
| 18:14.52 | ds3 | think there are about 2 things left holding me onto a full laptop - usb sticks and being able to handle a DVD video |
| 18:15.05 | keesj | haha |
| 18:15.27 | ds3 | now if I can plug in a self powered DVD drive and the OMAP can decode it too.... |
| 18:15.46 | lardman | yes, that would be impressive |
| 18:16.14 | keesj | why not "recode" it first? |
| 18:16.40 | ds3 | keesj: how? I am talking about being able to be given a DVD at say a trade show and being able to watchit by just putting it in |
| 18:16.40 | keesj | and what do you want to put on the usb stick? |
| 18:17.01 | ds3 | the usb stick is for random notes and stuff, maybe PDF files |
| 18:17.13 | Tak | you just have to adopt a superior attitude |
| 18:17.24 | Tak | "Pff, DVDs, they're so 20th-century..." |
| 18:17.31 | Atarii | id like to be able to use external usb wireless cards |
| 18:17.32 | ds3 | hehehe |
| 18:17.42 | ds3 | Atarii: what kind of wireless? |
| 18:17.51 | keesj | I use the nokia's as stick some times |
| 18:17.55 | Atarii | normal wifi |
| 18:18.03 | ds3 | what's wrong with the internal wifi? |
| 18:18.08 | keesj | I have this 4 gig sd card |
| 18:18.18 | Atarii | the drivers don't support packet injection |
| 18:18.31 | ds3 | oh fancy stuff |
| 18:18.43 | keesj | I Think I wil enjoy the gps based stuff very much |
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| 18:19.04 | Jiten | the reception in the internal wifi is quite good. too bad most access points have worse. |
| 18:19.09 | ds3 | what's the most flexible USB WiFi stick available? I think the prism3 ones don't do much |
| 18:19.19 | lardman | Atarii: check the usb modules list |
| 18:19.23 | keesj | I already did use a BT gps reciever with the 770 |
| 18:19.30 | Atarii | flexible in what way ds3? |
| 18:19.51 | ds3 | Atarii: being able to all kinds of stuff, host mode, sniffing, etc |
| 18:20.37 | Tak | I have a usb-stick-shaped SD/MMC reader that works well |
| 18:20.49 | lardman | Atarii: rtl8150, cdc_ether net1080, plusb, rndis_host, cdc_subset, zaurus & usbtest |
| 18:21.08 | keesj | ds3: I think that openmoko has a quite good page about that http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/WiFi_support_in_OpenMoko |
| 18:22.25 | Atarii | lardman im lost :( |
| 18:22.27 | Atarii | lol |
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| 18:24.19 | ds3 | keesj: thanks, that's good info. |
| 18:24.40 | keesj | not all will be usb based but it's a good list IMHO |
| 18:25.02 | ds3 | doesn't fully list the capabilities though |
| 18:25.18 | ds3 | i miss the nonusb prisms being able to do almost anything |
| 18:25.32 | keesj | I guess you want to hack wifi networks! |
| 18:25.41 | ds3 | no, I want to debug stuff |
| 18:25.55 | ds3 | and I don't want to pay the megabux for a proper sniffer |
| 18:26.17 | lardman | Atarii: those are the interface drivers listed in the dmesg with os2008 |
| 18:27.18 | Atarii | ds3 any which use these drivers: http://aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=install_drivers |
| 18:31.03 | ds3 | the N[78][01]0 devices would be great sniffers/test equipment |
| 18:32.14 | Atarii | indeed |
| 18:32.15 | keesj | the 770 gets hot when running aircrack |
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| 18:33.23 | sp3000 | that's ...multimodal feedback! |
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| 18:46.20 | Atarii | Blackbriar looks interesting |
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| 19:06.55 | davis | is there a way to do nfs root development with a n770? use the wifi connection as ethernet for it. |
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| 19:10.09 | maximCT | hmm.. anyone know if there's some sort of "echo-test" for the N800 video call feature? |
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| 19:18.24 | disq | unfortunately there isn't |
| 19:19.12 | lardman | hmm, atmasphere just posted to the list that the N810 usb port doesn't provide power out... |
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| 19:24.00 | Tybor | hi people, anyone got a "freedom universal keyboard"? |
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| 19:35.47 | Andy80 | how can I post something to Planet Maemo? |
| 19:37.55 | sp3000 | post relevant stuff and get syndicated |
| 19:38.04 | sp3000 | not sure how the latter is triggered |
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| 19:43.06 | akai--- | hi -_- |
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| 19:50.42 | Esworp | hey folks; is there a pdf reader that'll display in portrait? |
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| 19:51.55 | Esworp | moreso, is anyone fooling around with display rotation in general? |
| 19:53.27 | flip^ | evince does rotation stuff |
| 19:53.39 | zaf | just tilt the device 90 degrees, the internal accelerometer will tilt it for you |
| 19:53.44 | GeneralAntilles | Also: FBReader if you just need text. |
| 19:54.04 | Esworp | har de har ha |
| 19:55.35 | |R | there is an accelerometer in the nXXX ? |
| 19:57.07 | |R | :] |
| 19:58.01 | Tybor | hi people, anyone got a "freedom universal keyboard"? |
| 19:58.13 | snowmoon | |R: what do you need to know |
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| 19:59.32 | |R | snowmoon : ssh -w any:any root@192.168.1.3 ... i get a tun0 device, but then everything acts strangely. if i ifconfig eth0 on 192.168.1.3 to 10.0.0.3 ... |
| 19:59.37 | maximCT | |R: I'm using ssh tunnel from my office to my home pc and run a VPN across for the N800 ... |
| 20:00.11 | |R | snowmoon: and then on the original 192.168.1.2 set it to 10.0.0.2 ... i can ping 10.0.0.1 10.0.0.2 and 10.0.0.3 ... is there a standard hidden IP with ssh tunnels or what? |
| 20:00.38 | |R | (10.0.0.1 acts as if it was 10.0.0.3) |
| 20:00.40 | akai--- | where does one put the cover art so canola shows it? |
| 20:01.02 | |R | (that's without any route) |
| 20:01.12 | |R | akai--- : cover.jpg in the album folder? |
| 20:01.43 | akai--- | so there has to be an album folder? named exactly like the album? |
| 20:02.10 | |R | akai--- : i don't think so, it just takes the cover.jpg in the current folder |
| 20:02.38 | akai--- | but if it's named cover.jpg than you still need a folder for every album -_- |
| 20:02.40 | |R | maximCT : what commands do you use? :) |
| 20:03.01 | snowmoon | |R never done that type of tunneling... mostly use -D |
| 20:03.03 | maximCT | |R: the key one is ppp... |
| 20:03.07 | maximCT | pppd that is |
| 20:03.23 | |R | maximCT : but with ssh 4.3+ you don't need that anymore as i understand it |
| 20:03.42 | |R | snowmoon : ok :) |
| 20:03.50 | maximCT | |R: ok .. that's news to me... the way I do it I found on this page: http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/maddraves/2007/03/19/ssh_vpn_on_n800 |
| 20:04.03 | maximCT | |R: I'll have to look into what you say then |
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| 20:04.15 | snowmoon | I guess that would be more proxing, but people use the terms interchangeably at times. |
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| 20:04.26 | |R | maximCT : i think that was done before the introduction of the -w flag in SSH 4.3 :) |
| 20:04.38 | |R | ssh -w creates a tun0 device automagically... |
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| 20:05.00 | maximCT | oh boy... I'm gonna have to play with that then.. :) |
| 20:05.45 | |R | looking at the release date actually it was already there, but like me, i think nobody noticed this cool feature ;) |
| 20:06.23 | |R | at least it's basically working here, but I think i'm missing some details ;P |
| 20:06.39 | Jiten | does anyone here feel like you'd like to test an incomplete maemo port of http://mnemosyne-proj.sf.net/? I've been reimplementing the UI in gtk and just finished some optimizations that removed some half second waits from tap to something happening. |
| 20:06.43 | |R | maximCT : have you done VoIP over that tunnel? |
| 20:06.56 | maximCT | |R: yes... |
| 20:07.07 | zaf | voip over a tcp tunnel wont be that great |
| 20:07.22 | maximCT | |R: with rtcomm ... using ulaw codec I connect to my asterisk box at home. |
| 20:07.24 | |R | maximCT : which client? |
| 20:07.27 | |R | oh!! |
| 20:07.36 | maximCT | worked flawlessly |
| 20:07.37 | |R | damn! that means... rtcomm isn't buggy? |
| 20:08.02 | maximCT | it works for me... unfortunately though you can't send any dtmf once the connection is up |
| 20:08.03 | |R | on ITT forum they said that rtcomm ignored any device other than the base one |
| 20:08.08 | |R | so you couldn't use tun0 etc |
| 20:08.13 | maximCT | or there's no possibilities to place calls on hold etc. |
| 20:08.22 | |R | that's fine for my use |
| 20:08.33 | |R | zaf : that bad? |
| 20:08.34 | maximCT | well .. like I said .. I'm using pppd so it goes over the ppp0 device ... |
| 20:08.50 | maximCT | gonna have to test with ssh -w ... but I ran out of battery and don't have the charger here.. :( |
| 20:08.56 | |R | yeah, but same problem ppp0 != wlan0... so tun0 should work :) |
| 20:09.06 | |R | hehe |
| 20:09.06 | zaf | why would u wanna tunnel it over a vpn? |
| 20:09.12 | zaf | why not just let it work over the internet natively? |
| 20:09.18 | maximCT | my VoIP works also via bluetooth and egprs... |
| 20:09.21 | |R | zaf : so no to expose my sip port to the outside and not to spread my password all over the world :) |
| 20:09.25 | |R | no/not |
| 20:09.38 | maximCT | zaf, 'cause I'm in a corporate environment where I don't have native internet connectivity. |
| 20:09.41 | zaf | every other provider does it |
| 20:09.55 | |R | and every other provider might have a security problem ehhe |
| 20:09.59 | zaf | i dont think the password is plaintext |
| 20:10.10 | maximCT | with SIP password is plaintext. |
| 20:10.13 | |R | well rtcomm doesn't support asterisk's md5secret= command :( |
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| 20:10.21 | akai--- | hi _^_ |
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| 20:10.39 | |R | all my other sip phone / softphone do but not that one, too beta... :| |
| 20:11.11 | |R | if i at least had md5 handshake that would satisfy me a bit more, but plaintext exchange is a bit weak |
| 20:11.37 | k-s[WORK] | akai---: you can put it in music's id3v2 |
| 20:11.38 | playya | onyone tried to install other nokia sdk in linux? |
| 20:11.40 | |R | (i don't see people doing tcp hijacking in bars hehe ;) |
| 20:11.49 | k-s[WORK] | akai---: (music image/cover) |
| 20:12.02 | |R | but sniffing, hell yeah, we got an admin password stolen once for an http session hehe ;) |
| 20:12.45 | akai--- | k-s[WORK] that would be way too bothersome -_- I'd go with making album folders |
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| 20:12.53 | k-s[WORK] | akai---: :-) |
| 20:13.48 | akai--- | is there a way to extract a list of installed packages out of nokia 770? I don't see any logs there or a feature like that in apt-get -_- |
| 20:13.53 | akai--- | I may be blind though |
| 20:14.02 | k-s[WORK] | dpkg -l ? |
| 20:14.28 | akai--- | lol |
| 20:14.36 | akai--- | I've forgotten about dpkg -_- |
| 20:15.21 | akai--- | it logs installing packages somewhere too? |
| 20:15.23 | k-s[WORK] | akai---: apt-get is just the high-level layer on top of dpkg, does resolve depedency, etc |
| 20:15.27 | k-s[WORK] | dunno |
| 20:16.28 | akai--- | k-s[WORK] I kinda use slackware on my pc -_- I get lost in debian |
| 20:16.33 | |R | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1860 |
| 20:16.38 | |R | that was the bug mentionned on ITT |
| 20:19.04 | akai--- | why does /var/log seem to be empty anyway? |
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| 20:22.38 | k-s[WORK] | akai---: apt-get is just the high-level layer on top of dpkg, does resolve depedency, etc |
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| 20:26.21 | sp3000 | akai---: probably people don't want to lose space in places they can't really manage in the ui |
| 20:26.56 | sp3000 | you can install syslogd, likely config /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg to log, etc if you like |
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| 20:47.30 | eijk | Hi! I just realised from different screenshots on the web, that some scratchbox installations feature a slightly broken looking desktop (like mine). Some look fine. What could that be? It looks as mine is missing some graphics... |
| 20:48.54 | eijk | Mine looks like this http://gsyc.es/~herraiz/ekiga/04.png |
| 20:49.01 | eijk | Any ideas how to fix that? |
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| 20:52.29 | alterego | Urgh, writting API documentation is kind of a pain in the ass. |
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| 20:56.38 | Tak | heh |
| 20:57.00 | disq | alterego: doxygen to the rescue? :P |
| 20:57.05 | alterego | Not likely. |
| 20:57.08 | Tak | alterego: http://www.bash.org/?48581 |
| 20:57.10 | disq | i'm kinda trying out phpDocumentor. not bad, found some bugs tho |
| 20:57.15 | alterego | It's API for Ruby |
| 20:57.22 | Tak | rdoc then :-P |
| 20:57.31 | alterego | Unfortunately rdoc is crap. |
| 20:57.34 | alterego | :) |
| 20:58.19 | alterego | Well, it's okay. Unless you're writing extensions/bindings like I am. |
| 20:58.52 | alterego | It's C parsing is well. Inadequate. Not that it's easy. |
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| 21:01.00 | alterego | http://maemo.rubyx.co.uk/sandbox/LibOSSO-Documentation.html |
| 21:01.04 | alterego | That is what I have so far. |
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| 21:01.43 | alterego | I'm not very happy with it. So I'll probably rewrite it at a later date. But it'll do as a starting point for people interested in Ruby-Maemo |
| 21:02.00 | alterego | When it's complete that is ;) |
| 21:03.49 | Jiten | speaking of which, I haven't yet done anything with libosso for my mnemosyne port. I think I read in the tutorials that it has some functions I should I use. |
| 21:04.06 | Tak | pretty good for a start |
| 21:04.09 | alterego | Jiten, to do what? |
| 21:04.27 | Jiten | integrate better into the system? |
| 21:04.43 | alterego | Yeah, you should at least register the application. |
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| 21:05.56 | alterego | Tak, I like the idea of having all the documentation on one page. That way people can save it onto their tablets and use it on the move without net access :) |
| 21:06.05 | Jiten | I'm finally done reorganizing my application so it doesn't do unnecessary display updates and uses object.idle_add for less time critical (and heavy) portions |
| 21:06.21 | Jiten | now, when I'm running it on my desktop, it feels like greased lightning. |
| 21:06.48 | pupnik_ | what is mnemosyne? |
| 21:06.57 | Jiten | http://mnemosyne-proj.sf.net/ |
| 21:07.01 | alterego | Who cares, it's got a cool name! |
| 21:07.34 | pupnik_ | neato |
| 21:08.12 | pupnik_ | Somebody should do a LPI certification set for it |
| 21:08.47 | Jiten | anyway, I still need to implement a couple of features and get my hands dirty plumbing the internals for a bit more efficient operation with regards to memory and cpu usage |
| 21:09.31 | Jiten | the damn thing keeps all data in memory. When you've got thousands of flashcards, it's rather heavyweight |
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| 21:10.31 | Jiten | pupnik_: you sure it's suited for that? |
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| 21:10.58 | Jiten | is sqlite a standard library on the device? |
| 21:12.00 | Jiten | ... doesn't look like python bindings have been ported though :/ |
| 21:12.49 | lmoura | Jiten, sqlite3 is supported by python2.5 |
| 21:12.52 | disq | sqlite3 is |
| 21:13.41 | Jiten | it is? I didn't see a package for it. |
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| 21:16.23 | ertwroc | hi |
| 21:16.55 | Jiten | disq: where can I find the package with python bindings for sqlite3? |
| 21:17.13 | pupnik_ | repositories? |
| 21:17.13 | _Monkey | i guess repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php |
| 21:17.42 | disq | pymaemo? |
| 21:17.45 | disq | pymaemo.garage.maemo.org |
| 21:18.14 | Jiten | can't see sqlite there. |
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| 21:21.23 | ertwroc | I installed osso-xterm but when I am trying to run some programs like ldd I am getting: "sh: ldd: not found". I check file ldd is in /usr/bin. I am using N770 with OS 2006 |
| 21:21.54 | ertwroc | what is wrong? |
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| 21:25.40 | pupnik_ | same happens here ertwroc |
| 21:26.23 | pupnik_ | problem is that /usr/bin/ldd starts out with #!/bin/bash |
| 21:26.29 | pupnik_ | and there is no /bin/bash interpreter |
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| 21:27.54 | erstazi | wow, apple's iphone runs every app as root, maybe nokia should build the n900 into a great (open community) alternative |
| 21:28.42 | ertwroc | pupnik_: ln -s /bin/sh /bin/bash can help? |
| 21:29.08 | alterego | Eh? |
| 21:29.09 | pupnik_ | i did ln -s /bin/busybox /bin/bash (sh points to busybox) |
| 21:29.15 | pupnik_ | but it doesn't run |
| 21:29.31 | pupnik_ | ldd: applet not found |
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| 21:31.07 | Andy80 | where can I find aireplay-ng for maemo? |
| 21:31.24 | ertwroc | pupnik_: on maemo downloads page is bash, but there is no link to download |
| 21:31.34 | ertwroc | someone is porting it? |
| 21:31.46 | pupnik_ | ertwroc: looks like it's just a wrapper script - you can run /lib/ld-2.3.6.so -list /path/to/application |
| 21:32.08 | pupnik_ | pardon me --list |
| 21:32.36 | erstazi | Andy80: honestly, it would be suggested to use a laptop for that type of thing, these tablets do not have enough processing power or ram to handle cracking |
| 21:33.27 | pupnik_ | that's what i thought too - but some people say they got results. i tried it at home but i had to copy several movies back and forth to get enough iv's |
| 21:34.03 | erstazi | Andy80: are you talking about: http://www.aircrack-ng.org/? |
| 21:34.14 | erstazi | I think there might be a port on there |
| 21:34.20 | Andy80 | erstazi: yes |
| 21:34.45 | Andy80 | erstazi: I've installed the aircrack-ng packages, but the aireplay-ng is missing |
| 21:34.47 | flip^ | i had it listed in my app manager once, so it must be on one of the repositories that are easily available |
| 21:34.58 | flip^ | ah, dunno about that |
| 21:36.00 | pupnik_ | ertwroc: did that /lib/ld*.so --list work for you? works here |
| 21:36.57 | lardman | pupnik: busybox looks to see what it's been invoked as to decide what bit of itself to run |
| 21:37.23 | lardman | pupnik: is why the symlink may not work |
| 21:37.26 | pupnik | achka! |
| 21:37.56 | lardman | better way is to create a script called /bin/bash and have that invoke /bin/sh |
| 21:38.02 | lardman | I think anyway |
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| 21:38.55 | pupnik | ok changing ldd line one to #!/bin/sh gets rid of errors, but shows no output |
| 21:40.07 | pupnik | i will just alias ldd="/lib/ld-2.3.6.so --list" |
| 21:41.56 | lardman | does the n800 have a magnet sensor in the front like the 770? |
| 21:43.31 | ertwroc | pupnik: I got error cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 21:44.30 | eijk | No ideas on my scratchbox desktop question? |
| 21:45.01 | ertwroc | pupnik: sorry - now works fine. thanks |
| 21:45.36 | lardman | eijk: no idea, I don't tend to run the i386 stuff at all |
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| 21:47.49 | lardman | night all |
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| 21:50.05 | ertwroc | ok, what should I do if after run ldd on some app I get: version GLIBC_2.0 not found? |
| 21:50.28 | zerojay | Let me guess... |
| 21:50.33 | zerojay | Old Loki game? |
| 21:50.50 | ertwroc | java vm |
| 21:51.05 | zerojay | GLIBC 2.0 is *old*. |
| 21:51.22 | zerojay | You probably have an outdated package. |
| 21:52.05 | ertwroc | hmm... I can't find another version |
| 21:52.07 | zerojay | How many of you played with the Microb version of Greasemonkey? |
| 21:53.00 | ertwroc | Do you know any java vm working on maemo? |
| 21:53.24 | zerojay | JamVM. |
| 21:53.41 | zerojay | Might want to check out.. Jalimo. |
| 21:53.54 | ertwroc | any link? |
| 21:54.03 | zerojay | I think it's jalimo.org. |
| 21:55.15 | zerojay | Don't expect it to give you Java working in a web browser, however. |
| 21:55.48 | ertwroc | I need only to run console app |
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| 22:02.23 | zerojay | ertwroc: Should be all you need then. |
| 22:05.52 | Ioagann | guys, does maemo support qt |
| 22:05.54 | Ioagann | ? |
| 22:06.31 | zerojay | Maemo is based on GTK. |
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| 22:14.33 | Ioagann | Guys, can one install perl on n800? |
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| 22:21.59 | luckie | ioagann: look here it talks about perl http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=81917 |
| 22:22.46 | Ioagann | Thank you! |
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| 23:00.03 | Rask330 | I'm looking for a zip/unzip package that match... I found zip somewhere, but the unzip package in maemo.org's downloads section just installs a menu icon that doesn't do anything.. |
| 23:01.48 | GeneralAntilles | apt-get install unzip |
| 23:02.04 | Rask330 | Isn't that the same as installing it in package manager, though? |
| 23:02.41 | GeneralAntilles | Probably |
| 23:02.51 | GeneralAntilles | Just open up xterm and get to unzipping, then. |
| 23:04.47 | Rask330 | Hmm. Is there a way to remove unwanted icons from the applications menu? :) |
| 23:05.20 | GeneralAntilles | Well, if you don't want the apps anymore, you can just uninstall them |
| 23:05.45 | Rask330 | True. But in unzip's case, it installs a useless icon... is there any way to at least hide it? |
| 23:05.45 | GeneralAntilles | Other than that, open up Control Panel, go to Navigation and move the menu items around |
| 23:06.03 | GeneralAntilles | Bury the stuff you don't want/use very often in a folder somewhere. |
| 23:06.22 | GeneralAntilles | I'm guessing you can remove the .desktop somehow |
| 23:06.34 | GeneralAntilles | But I don't know A. Where it's located or B. Whether that could break things. |
| 23:06.37 | Rask330 | Hm... |
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| 23:15.05 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody really ought to fix up the maemo wiki page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo |
| 23:19.44 | c0ffee | put a marker there that the article needs a clean-up |
| 23:20.38 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody got a diagram of the maemo stack? |
| 23:20.57 | GeneralAntilles | Would the GNOME mobile picture from Quim's blog be close to accurate? |
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| 23:45.34 | Quinlan^ | What would be the main causes for a .deb package working on one 770, but not another? |
| 23:45.45 | Quinlan^ | I mean besides OS versions. |
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| 23:47.07 | Rask330 | Hmm. Has anyone successfully used the Stowaway Bluetooth Keyboard successfully with the N800? |
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| 23:48.20 | Jiten | Rask330: I remember someone saying he uses one... can't recall who it was though. |
| 23:48.46 | Rask330 | I've seen it mentioned that it's possible... but I'm wondering if it works right with the arrow keys and such. |
| 23:49.00 | Rask330 | That stuff can be tempermental-- at least it was on my Palm, before I got the N800. |
| 23:49.12 | Jiten | |R was the one. |
| 23:49.31 | Rask330 | Cool, thanks :) |
| 23:49.42 | Jiten | milhouse has also mentioned having one |
| 23:50.05 | Jiten | #maemo.10-09.log:04:19 < |R> I got the stowaway ultra-slim, it's nice if you don't think you need a number row / F keys and can do with Fn for numbers :) |
| 23:50.40 | Rask330 | Cool. :] |
| 23:51.40 | |R | It's all my fault, i swear! :P |
| 23:51.58 | |R | you guies have good memories (i mean logs ;) |
| 23:52.00 | |R | guys |
| 23:52.07 | Jiten | :D |
| 23:52.35 | Jiten | logs are sometimes useful so I keep them. |
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