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| 00:30.39 | sciboy | Yay! My N800 should arrive either today or tomorrow. |
| 00:30.43 | sciboy | Finally. =| |
| 00:33.30 | deejoe | fun! |
| 00:40.55 | unique311 | sciboy, from conceptart? |
| 00:41.32 | sciboy | unique311, Yep. |
| 00:42.24 | unique311 | you're not on the irc channel |
| 00:43.04 | sciboy | I'm here much more often than I am over there. |
| 00:43.17 | unique311 | so you getting an N800. been trying to find a descent art program for it forever..compiled a couple of descent ones.. |
| 00:43.40 | unique311 | waiting on faint to make its hildon grand entrance.. |
| 00:43.59 | deejoe | which other channel? |
| 00:44.25 | sciboy | deejoe, He's just kidding, there is no such thing as other channels. |
| 00:44.35 | sciboy | =P |
| 00:44.38 | deejoe | hmm |
| 00:44.44 | unique311 | ? |
| 00:45.11 | unique311 | deejoe, ur first time on irc? |
| 00:45.14 | deejoe | no |
| 00:45.26 | deejoe | I've got . . . 15 channels open, maybe? |
| 00:45.27 | sciboy | irc://irc.thundercity.net/conceptart |
| 00:45.36 | sciboy | http://www.conceptart.org |
| 00:45.36 | deejoe | ah |
| 00:45.45 | deejoe | thanks |
| 00:46.18 | unique311 | sciboy, i saw your nick on conceptart somewhere..and just wanted to know if it was the same individual.. |
| 00:46.31 | unique311 | you didn't have to join CA |
| 00:51.10 | pupnik_ | unique311: i've gotten a few developers interested in tablets so far - no purchases yet |
| 00:53.49 | sciboy | unique311, "faint" what's that? |
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| 00:56.29 | unique311 | sciboy, faint is the port of mypaint to maemo |
| 00:56.42 | unique311 | pupnik_, devs |
| 00:57.39 | unique311 | the developer for faint doesn't answer his freaking forum messages. |
| 00:57.49 | unique311 | want to know the status of his port.. |
| 00:58.02 | pupnik_ | heh |
| 00:58.03 | unique311 | think my tablet is dying.... |
| 00:58.26 | unique311 | screen went black on me twice, forcing me to take out the battery for a restart.. |
| 00:58.44 | pupnik_ | :/ |
| 00:59.55 | sciboy | unique311, Well I'll be doing some small game dev. or maemo. |
| 00:59.56 | unique311 | not sure but i think it was becuase of gizmo... |
| 01:00.38 | unique311 | was messing with gizmo, the times it went black on me. |
| 01:00.40 | unique311 | game dev.. |
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| 01:01.08 | sciboy | for* |
| 01:01.58 | unique311 | got a game in mind? |
| 01:02.13 | sciboy | In mind? I got full design documents laid out. |
| 01:02.39 | sciboy | Action adventure, 2d side-scrolling for the most part, non-platformer though. |
| 01:02.49 | sciboy | and non-shooter. |
| 01:03.20 | unique311 | pupnik_, what happen to the dev that was working on angstron? |
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| 01:10.22 | unique311 | sciboy, mtpaint http://mtpaint.sourceforge.net/ = Faint https://garage.maemo.org/projects/faint/ |
| 01:10.43 | sciboy | Already found it all with google. =P |
| 01:10.48 | unique311 | k |
| 01:11.04 | pupnik_ | unique311: neo- |
| 01:11.20 | pupnik_ | haven't seen him around - got a bit frustrated with feedback he was getting |
| 01:11.38 | unique311 | ok |
| 01:11.50 | unique311 | feedback for the game |
| 01:12.14 | pupnik_ | yea |
| 01:12.19 | pupnik_ | neostrider |
| 01:12.20 | unique311 | the game was descent...just needed minor graphic work. |
| 01:12.20 | _Monkey | somebody said neostrider was probably building you a checkers game as we speak :) |
| 01:12.28 | unique311 | lol |
| 01:12.42 | unique311 | checkers.. |
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| 01:28.04 | Esworp | so, what can us n800 owners expect for the next internet tablet os upgrade? |
| 01:29.39 | sciboy | The kitchen sink was finally implemented. |
| 01:29.59 | GeneralAntilles | 70MHz CPU boost |
| 01:29.59 | unique311 | still no java... |
| 01:30.34 | sciboy | unique311, You think that's bad, still no 64-bit plugin. |
| 01:30.43 | sciboy | Under any platform. =| |
| 01:32.13 | unique311 | 64 bit java |
| 01:33.09 | unique311 | i have an amd desktop..and tried 64 bit xp on it once..yeah, very sad stuff...it was very fast...but the lack of support really sucks. |
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| 01:59.04 | drseashell | so no mtpaint / faint for the n800 yet |
| 01:59.06 | drseashell | ? |
| 01:59.28 | unique311 | its just a compiled version of it on garage.. |
| 01:59.58 | unique311 | question on the garage forum are not being answered..so i guess the dev is hard at work on it.. |
| 02:03.36 | drseashell | ah |
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| 02:26.20 | ekim\770 | hi |
| 02:27.23 | ekim\770 | for some reason my mmc keeps being mounted as read-only |
| 02:27.50 | ekim\770 | is this a know issue? |
| 02:28.01 | zerojay | Are you on the latest firmware? |
| 02:28.09 | zerojay | With the recent mmc fixes? |
| 02:28.15 | ekim\770 | huh |
| 02:28.33 | ekim\770 | lbut it was working before |
| 02:28.43 | zerojay | When was the last time you updated your firmware? |
| 02:28.57 | ekim\770 | 2 montths |
| 02:29.09 | zerojay | When a card is set to read-only, it's because the card's been damaged. |
| 02:29.11 | ekim\770 | i am booting from mmc |
| 02:29.21 | ekim\770 | uhoh |
| 02:29.28 | zerojay | Usually, it's not permanent. |
| 02:29.36 | zerojay | Just requires reformatting the card. |
| 02:29.51 | ekim\770 | does this mean i have to reinstall everything |
| 02:30.12 | ekim\770 | and reinstall to the mmc |
| 02:30.23 | zerojay | The problem usually stems from people removing a card while it is still being written to (give it some time even after your OS says it's complete). |
| 02:30.53 | ekim\770 | but it was working fine before |
| 02:31.24 | zerojay | There's also the recent fix for some card problems that killed larger cards repeatedly where letting the screen dim while the card was being written to would kill it. The latest firmware fixes that. |
| 02:31.39 | ekim\770 | the other thing is , i have 2 partitins on my mmc |
| 02:31.52 | ekim\770 | the boot one is fine |
| 02:32.08 | ekim\770 | but the fat32 one is read only |
| 02:32.23 | sciboy | Copy the files off it, format/repartition and copy it back on. |
| 02:32.27 | zerojay | You probably damaged the partition because it was being read/written to when you removed a card or turned off power to the tablet. |
| 02:32.38 | ekim\770 | ahh |
| 02:33.04 | ekim\770 | so i only need to format that 1 partition |
| 02:33.15 | zerojay | Well, most likely, yes.. but I can't be sure of it. |
| 02:33.25 | zerojay | Do yourself a favor and do what I do. |
| 02:33.47 | ekim\770 | ok thanks guys |
| 02:33.55 | zerojay | Always wait about 2 or 3 minutes after your OS says a transfer is complete to the card before doing anything like removing/turning off the tablet. |
| 02:34.07 | zerojay | If it's a very large transfer, give it 5 minutes. |
| 02:34.23 | jeremyb | that's a lot of latency |
| 02:34.29 | ekim\770 | i always do |
| 02:34.34 | zerojay | jeremyb: Yeah, but you just want to be sure. |
| 02:34.44 | jeremyb | is there some kind of standby mode? |
| 02:34.45 | ekim\770 | thats a a 'feature' |
| 02:35.16 | jeremyb | zerojay: but what if you want to transfer to or from a desktop and you don't have time to dilly dally? |
| 02:35.19 | sciboy | jeremyb, My computer has a buffer, it copies a file to the buffer not the card itself so you have to wait for it to finish before unmounting |
| 02:35.22 | zerojay | That's also how the card readers work. The writes are flushed to the card reader fast (at which point your OS says it's complete) while the card reader is still writing the rest of it. |
| 02:35.45 | zerojay | jeremyb: Start your transfer earlier or deal with the reality that you'll have corrupted partitions all the time. |
| 02:35.47 | ekim\770 | also , how come my 770 tuns on when I plug it in |
| 02:35.55 | jeremyb | sciboy: and you can unmount in a matter of seconds after the fd is closed, right? |
| 02:36.11 | ekim\770 | is that another 'feature' |
| 02:36.37 | zerojay | ekim\770: It's not the tablet's fault if this is the kind of thing you're having. |
| 02:36.39 | jeremyb | well the OS should be aware of when it's still being written and display that |
| 02:36.45 | sciboy | jeremyb, Not sure what you mean by fd, but afterwards it's instant. |
| 02:36.47 | zerojay | jeremyb: It can't. |
| 02:37.11 | ekim\770 | one more thing |
| 02:37.15 | jeremyb | sciboy: file descriptor |
| 02:37.34 | ekim\770 | how does the 770 microphone work ? |
| 02:37.41 | sciboy | By magic. |
| 02:37.42 | jeremyb | sciboy: you can also force an early flush on your desktop |
| 02:38.00 | jeremyb | can you on a nokia tablet? |
| 02:38.16 | ekim\770 | how does the 770 microphone work ?... |
| 02:38.30 | zerojay | The tablet isn't the problem. It's just the way card readers work. |
| 02:38.54 | zerojay | Happens on every OS. |
| 02:39.41 | ekim\770 | seriouly...please tell me so I can leave |
| 02:39.43 | zerojay | Some will, however, complain that the card can't be unmounted yet if attempted while the card reader is writing. |
| 02:39.53 | zerojay | ekim\770: I don't have the 770, so I don't know. |
| 02:40.10 | ekim\770 | k thx bye |
| 02:40.18 | kuzew | haha |
| 02:40.29 | kuzew | oh boy... |
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| 02:43.28 | jeremyb | zerojay: well i was thinking more about internal hard drives but i still see no reason the OS couldn't be made aware |
| 02:43.53 | jeremyb | or usb flash for that matter |
| 02:44.08 | zerojay | jeremyb: The only real reason is that they just weren't made that way. It's stupid. |
| 02:44.25 | jeremyb | zerojay: ok, so why not change it now? |
| 02:44.56 | zerojay | Same reason we didn't suddenly move to DVDs that were 12GB in size. |
| 02:45.14 | zerojay | Backwards compatibility with older drives... standards, etc... |
| 02:45.40 | zerojay | Well, those are my best guesses. I'm not a card reader engineer or anything. |
| 02:45.53 | GeneralAntilles | So do I, disq, so do I. |
| 02:46.14 | GeneralAntilles | Other option is to just not use card readers. |
| 02:46.32 | disq | unique311: around? seen my solution to the synergy auto cursor show/hide thingy? i posted it as a comment in quicksynergy news |
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| 02:48.40 | jeremyb | zerojay: i'm not saying everyone should adopt it but i don't see why they should continue being made the way you describe. is it so much cheaper as is? and yes i'm keeping compat in mind... is there no room within existing specs to add such a notification for the OS without breaking existing devices/drivers/OSs which are already compliant? |
| 02:48.54 | disq | anyway i gotta get some sleep, night. |
| 02:50.25 | GeneralAntilles | jeremyb: I suspect it's mostly necessary to have cache involved in the data transfer for things to run smoothly. |
| 02:50.37 | GeneralAntilles | and there's no easy way to tell the host machine that the card isn't done writing yet |
| 02:50.42 | jeremyb | GeneralAntilles: i have no objection to using a cache... |
| 02:50.56 | jeremyb | why not? |
| 02:51.53 | zerojay | Because as far as the card reader is concerned, the OS doesn't need to know. |
| 02:52.23 | zerojay | It's lame... but what can you do? |
| 02:52.45 | zerojay | Just wait until the next standards are being discussed and raise your voice, I suppose. |
| 02:55.35 | straind | Anyone using xkbd-bthid? |
| 02:58.10 | straind | or any other means to make your Nokia into a bluetooth keyboard for another device? |
| 02:58.28 | GeneralAntilles | That's the only one available |
| 02:58.39 | GeneralAntilles | Only have a Mac here, so I haven't been able to use it |
| 02:58.42 | GeneralAntilles | looks cool, though. |
| 03:00.07 | straind | I can't figure out how to get it paired with the other device. |
| 03:00.14 | jeremyb | zerojay: huh? the OS *does* have a vested interest in knowing |
| 03:00.26 | zerojay | No, it doesn't. |
| 03:00.39 | GeneralAntilles | As far as it's concerned the filesystem write is over. |
| 03:00.57 | zerojay | Once the write is flushed to the card (what the progress bar shows), it's done. |
| 03:01.05 | jeremyb | GeneralAntilles: why can't you use it with a mac? |
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| 03:01.08 | zerojay | flushed to the card reader, I mean. |
| 03:01.25 | GeneralAntilles | "Only supports BOOT" |
| 03:01.34 | GeneralAntilles | Not familiar with bluetooth keyboard profiles |
| 03:01.37 | jeremyb | ugh... |
| 03:01.43 | GeneralAntilles | but, evidently, that's only supported on Windows. |
| 03:01.44 | jeremyb | do i have to run in circles? |
| 03:02.00 | zerojay | jeremyb: Apparently. |
| 03:02.04 | GeneralAntilles | Not if you drop it and move on. ;) |
| 03:02.52 | zerojay | What is the OS supposed to do when the card reader signals "write complete" but it's really lying? |
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| 03:04.04 | jeremyb | ...... isn't that the case now? |
| 03:04.28 | zerojay | That's what I'm trying to tell you. |
| 03:05.04 | jeremyb | i've understood that for tens of minutes already |
| 03:05.09 | jeremyb | i'm talking about the future |
| 03:05.17 | zerojay | In the future, there will be robots. |
| 03:05.28 | GeneralAntilles | Or lots and lots of glass. |
| 03:07.25 | jeremyb | there will always be legacy and backward compat to consider and but that's not a reason for refusing improvements that comply with existing standards (and therefore are backwards compat) |
| 03:07.41 | zerojay | Yes. |
| 03:07.52 | zerojay | But it's apparently not. |
| 03:08.09 | zerojay | Which I assume is why some cards come with their own special card readers. |
| 03:08.37 | jeremyb | ok, wait a sec... this cache is in the reader/writer not the card itself, right? |
| 03:12.23 | truls | the cache is in the driver, right? |
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| 03:17.46 | vbattsLit1 | Is there a download for the adobe flash player for the 2007OS |
| 03:22.01 | zerojay | Uh. |
| 03:22.04 | zerojay | It's built-in. |
| 03:25.18 | vbattsLit1 | Not the hacker edition, i have an n770 |
| 03:25.50 | zerojay | Hacker edition doesn't include proprietary stuff. |
| 03:26.03 | zerojay | As far as i know. |
| 03:26.09 | zerojay | Anyone else? |
| 03:27.45 | vbattsLit1 | i realize that, i'm hunting for if someone could just publish the *.so that i can drop into /usr/lib/beowser/plugins/ |
| 03:27.45 | _Monkey | Hmm. No matches for that, vbattsLit1. |
| 03:28.07 | vbattsLit1 | s/beowser/browser/ |
| 03:28.09 | _Monkey | Hmm. No matches for that, infobot. |
| 03:29.43 | vbattsLit1 | 'dpkg-query -l ' shows a flaah player package, but doesn't contain the needed binaries |
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| 03:41.37 | jeremyb | truls: no, it *must* be on some physical device (assuming no emulation). or at least i can think of no other way to do it |
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| 04:18.04 | dougb | is the maemo SDK release the full fledged OS? or is it intended only for development? |
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| 04:19.14 | sciboy | Gosh I can't wait to get my N800 as start developing stuff. XD |
| 04:19.29 | sciboy | and* |
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| 04:30.32 | dougb | has anyone gotten their hands on maemo 4.0? |
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| 05:03.00 | dougb | OGG files aren't supported on maemo? |
| 05:16.27 | sciboy | dougb, There's packages you can install. |
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| 05:16.53 | sciboy | dougb, I don't know the names though, don't have an N800 yet. |
| 05:19.43 | dougb | hmm |
| 05:42.32 | mbuf | are there any sample screenshots for the arsenik project? |
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| 06:19.09 | dougb | does maemo 4.0 and hildon 2.0 coencide? |
| 06:19.33 | dougb | *coincide |
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| 07:05.10 | sciboy | Yay my N800 has arrived, I'll pick it up tomorrow morning. =3 |
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| 07:05.31 | timely_changelog | interesting definition of arrived |
| 07:07.20 | sciboy | It's 5 minutes away. |
| 07:07.34 | sciboy | As far as I'm concerned, it has arrived. |
| 07:07.57 | x2 | lol |
| 07:09.22 | timely_changelog | if 5mins, 8hrs 5mins, same difference, if it isn't in hand, it hasn't arrived |
| 07:12.06 | dougb | dont rain on his parade ;-) |
| 07:16.17 | dougb | does anyone know the folder structure to get to where files are saved is OS2007? |
| 07:16.28 | dougb | i'm in /home/user/MyDocs/ but I don't see anything |
| 07:21.36 | x2 | hmm |
| 07:21.39 | x2 | im having an issue |
| 07:21.49 | x2 | i put my filesystem on the mmc card |
| 07:21.53 | x2 | and when i boot |
| 07:22.02 | x2 | it doesnt show the other partition of my mmc |
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| 07:28.58 | _Logic_ | howdy. I grabbed the latest VMWarePlayer for the dev distro and so far everything is great! |
| 07:29.20 | _Logic_ | Is there some way I can make that image look/behave/feel more like my native n800? |
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| 07:30.23 | _Logic_ | My Menu entries all look like |
| 07:30.32 | _Logic_ | "tana_fi_internet" etc... |
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| 07:33.26 | DRoBeR | _Logic_, you have uninstalled some basic packages. |
| 07:38.14 | DRoBeR | I suppose that there are better solutions but I directly used the flash tool when I had that problem. |
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| 07:47.37 | mik_ | could it be that bluetooth support is a little bit wacky? |
| 07:48.10 | mik_ | whenever i sdptool browse a windows mobile device i do not get any answers |
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| 07:53.05 | sciboy | Okay I picked it up! |
| 07:56.26 | timely_changelog | better, enjoy :) |
| 08:00.38 | dougb | i have a smb file shared through ubuntu to the n800, but i can't access the files or folders |
| 08:00.49 | dougb | is there something i'm missing? |
| 08:00.55 | timely_changelog | an error message? |
| 08:01.11 | dougb | in the file manager, it says "unable to open" |
| 08:01.37 | dougb | so i tried through ssh and tried to copy the files, and it says "omitting directory" when i try to copy the shared folder to the nokia |
| 08:01.42 | dougb | it finds it fine, and can list the folders |
| 08:01.43 | timely_changelog | i'd suggest trying strace (presumably there's a package somewhere) |
| 08:02.00 | dougb | what does that do? |
| 08:02.14 | timely_changelog | but it sounds like you have permission problems |
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| 08:03.05 | _Logic_ | I started with the vmware player supplied by Nokia this month. I didn't uninstall anything. |
| 08:04.29 | sciboy | Um, when I start how do I check the version of the firmware? |
| 08:04.40 | sciboy | I want to do an update before I start installing apps. |
| 08:06.11 | timely_changelog | about in control panel |
| 08:06.33 | timely_changelog | or load /etc/osso_software_version in your web browser |
| 08:06.33 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:06.41 | timely_changelog | morning |
| 08:06.41 | _Monkey | aloha |
| 08:06.49 | timely_changelog | shut up |
| 08:07.30 | timely_changelog | yes |
| 08:07.52 | timely_changelog | (you're..) |
| 08:08.07 | Jaffa | Dear god. That's atrocious. Very many apologies. |
| 08:08.20 | Jaffa | I blame the painkillers; the time of day; the erm... phase of the moon. |
| 08:08.20 | sciboy | I'm very impressed with nokia's slick packaging. |
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| 08:08.46 | timely_changelog | we have to make something shiny, and the packaging is the easiest bit :) |
| 08:09.13 | timely_changelog | although iirc there are bugs either on the packaging or in the quick start guide, so don't look too closely :) |
| 08:10.08 | Jaffa | The bit where it says: "Contents: Nokia N810 Nseries Internet Tablet; headphones; carry case; next week's winning lottery ticket; car mount; battery; user guide" ? |
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| 08:10.35 | sciboy | Mine didn't come with the car mount and lottery tickets though. =/ |
| 08:10.40 | timely_changelog | i was talking about the n800 package |
| 08:10.51 | timely_changelog | i haven't looked closely at the n810 box yet |
| 08:11.16 | timely_changelog | i know that the video shipped w/ the n810 has at least one very obvious visual gaffe which is quite embarrassing, but... |
| 08:11.31 | Jaffa | It's an iPhone not an N810 in the vid? ;-) |
| 08:12.03 | timely_changelog | personally i think nokia should go back to shipping Movie trailers, at least those were professional |
| 08:12.28 | timely_changelog | jaffa: the iPhone wouldn't have rendering bugs if pictured in the video ... |
| 08:12.51 | Jaffa | timely_changelog: Ouch. |
| 08:13.14 | Jaffa | Movie trailers were nice. Get some cross-product promotion going (i.e. trailers for F4 or Transformers) |
| 08:13.48 | timely_changelog | it's a standard rule for presentations that you make sure not to demonstrate the rough edges |
| 08:13.57 | timely_changelog | if necessary you customize screens to hide bugs |
| 08:14.03 | timely_changelog | and at worst, you use a flash mockup |
| 08:14.13 | timely_changelog | (or photoshop...) |
| 08:15.41 | AD-N770 | good morning |
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| 08:16.03 | timely_changelog | ok, there's no way for me to find a blog entry for it |
| 08:16.06 | x2 | i just flashed hacker |
| 08:16.19 | x2 | time to bring that to my MMS now that I know what im doing |
| 08:18.26 | timely_changelog | um |
| 08:18.29 | timely_changelog | hrm, |
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| 08:29.22 | timely_changelog | ok, the pr people aren't very bright |
| 08:29.28 | timely_changelog | they chose a map of the dc area |
| 08:29.38 | timely_changelog | but didn't verify that it looks like the dc area |
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| 08:40.39 | timely_changelog | the docs people need to consider paying a native speaker to read their content |
| 08:40.43 | timely_changelog | "make also sure" |
| 08:40.55 | timely_changelog | http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2221/1682289716_94df862bdc.jpg |
| 08:41.04 | timely_changelog | (from planet.maemo) |
| 08:41.05 | c0ffee | hehe |
| 08:41.18 | c0ffee | if you have a native speaker, only native speakers can read it easily |
| 08:41.38 | c0ffee | if it's written by non-native speakers, all other non-native speakers can read it easily |
| 08:41.41 | c0ffee | what is better? |
| 08:41.42 | timely_changelog | well, you'd think by now they know we have a couple |
| 08:42.00 | timely_changelog | c0ffee: given that the primary market is the USA |
| 08:42.09 | timely_changelog | and that's native speakers, not recent immigrants |
| 08:42.15 | c0ffee | hehe |
| 08:42.26 | suihkulokki | you mean indians? ;) |
| 08:42.32 | timely_changelog | non native speakers can read the docs mistranslated into heir own language |
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| 08:42.44 | c0ffee | anyway |
| 08:42.59 | c0ffee | got to scoot for diner, it's getting late here |
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| 08:55.29 | sciboy | Nope, can't get reception in my room. |
| 08:55.36 | sciboy | Wall must be lined with lead or something. |
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| 09:07.20 | Jaffa | For anyone waiting for my on-demand transcoding/RSS toting open source video converter. Here's a screenshot of the web interface for choosing random videos: http://www.bleb.org/software/maemo/mediaserv.png and one of the same directory open in Video Center: http://www.bleb.org/software/maemo/mediaserv-vc.png |
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| 09:15.50 | sciboy | Jaffa, Cool. =) |
| 09:16.08 | sciboy | I have Season 3 of family guy. =P |
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| 09:31.47 | Tili | has anybody got experience with audio on maemo. i have n800 |
| 09:31.53 | Tili | need some pointers |
| 09:32.19 | Tili | portaudio doesnt like it |
| 09:41.08 | onion | Tili: you should use gstreamer for any audio output/input |
| 09:43.05 | lardman | morning |
| 09:43.06 | _Monkey | aloha |
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| 09:43.34 | hell | E: Downloaded armel rootstrap file failed integrity test. |
| 09:43.51 | hell | how can i delete part-downloaded file? |
| 09:44.34 | hell | oh, i find it. |
| 09:44.56 | sciboy | Wow, that flashed pretty quickly. |
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| 09:47.27 | sciboy | Now I need to find myself the relevant respositories. |
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| 09:51.20 | Tili | onion: thanks. i will look for it. may be port to portaudio |
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| 10:02.06 | sciboy | Um, which repository has "libgdbm3"? |
| 10:02.18 | robtaylor | Tili: why portaudio? |
| 10:07.45 | Jiten | sciboy: I think it's the base repository the python2.5 installation process at http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/ asks you to install before python itself. |
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| 10:14.25 | sciboy | Installing python now, cheers. =) |
| 10:18.58 | Jiten | am I just imagining this or is python-gnome package abandoned one? debian only has a version that builds against gtk+ 1.2 and I can't seem to find any pages that have useful information on it. |
| 10:19.29 | Fatal | Jiten: itym python-gnome2 |
| 10:19.59 | Jiten | ah, gnome's ftp has more recent version. |
| 10:20.16 | Fatal | and debian |
| 10:20.54 | Jiten | so it seems, I wonder if I forgot that "2" from the apt-get source command |
| 10:21.05 | Fatal | most likely :) |
| 10:21.13 | Jiten | apparently, since I got 2.12 now |
| 10:22.16 | Jiten | ok, I need python-gnome2-extras for gtkhtml support it seems |
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| 10:22.36 | hell | does newly installed sdk looks like in pic- http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/6500/gkrellshoot102207142103gl9.png |
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| 10:23.01 | ptman | does maemo have python-bindings for gtkhtml? |
| 10:23.08 | Jiten | I didn't find any |
| 10:23.35 | ptman | but you are going to do something about it? |
| 10:24.04 | Jiten | I guess I have to. |
| 10:24.08 | ptman | is there anywhere where I can follow your progress? |
| 10:24.33 | ptman | I'm sorry that I'm not offering help, but I'm in the middle of a move |
| 10:24.36 | Jiten | not really, no. |
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| 10:25.49 | Jiten | I'm also moving this week so I won't be having much time to use on this. |
| 10:26.22 | ptman | can we exchange contact info, I'd like to follow up on this later |
| 10:28.07 | Jiten | sure |
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| 10:34.25 | sciboy | What do I need to install to play back XVID videos among other things. |
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| 10:37.55 | flip^ | sciboy: mplayer? |
| 10:37.55 | _Monkey | mplayer is down, that's what's up |
| 10:38.26 | Jaffa | sciboy: the built-in player can handle them if they're low enough bitrate and have the right FOURCC |
| 10:38.45 | sciboy | FOURCC? |
| 10:39.03 | sciboy | They're pretty low bitrate already, originally encoded for the gp2x. |
| 10:39.46 | Jaffa | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/videoencoding/ |
| 10:40.01 | Jaffa | AVIs have a 4 character code which describes their format. |
| 10:40.15 | Jaffa | mplayer's your best bet, TBH - but the built-in player might manage them too |
| 10:40.45 | sciboy | MPlayer it is, will Canola use it? |
| 10:41.52 | sciboy | Oh and on the same topic what should I install for OGG support? |
| 10:42.03 | sciboy | Not that any of this is going to matter when 2008 is released. |
| 10:42.41 | unique311_ | there's an ogg player.. |
| 10:42.48 | unique311_ | check the garageeee |
| 10:43.17 | sciboy | I see "Ogg Vorbis support for maemo" and "Ogg support" in the application catelog |
| 10:43.21 | sciboy | catalogue |
| 10:44.15 | unique311_ | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/oggplay/ a player |
| 10:45.09 | sciboy | I'm not looking for a specialised ogg player. |
| 10:46.18 | sciboy | Gosh it'd be nice if there was wifi in my room. =/ |
| 10:47.48 | flip^ | anyone ever dabbled with tversity.com 's product for streaming to a 770/n800? |
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| 10:53.07 | sciboy | That reminds me, need to check if kagu or canola supports streaming. |
| 10:55.29 | unique311_ | kagu doesn't stream |
| 10:56.41 | sciboy | So best way to get the music to canola is through a samba share? |
| 10:57.50 | unique311_ | not sure..used canola once..and removed it. |
| 10:59.54 | unique311_ | put in a request for (kagu) to support streaming.. |
| 11:00.31 | unique311_ | i remember playing music from my desktop on my N800. forgot how i went about doing it. |
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| 11:05.31 | sciboy | Be back later. |
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| 11:30.02 | Tili | is there any other way to use audio on maemo except gstreamer. my libraryr/software already uses portaudio and it is too much work to move to gstreamer |
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| 11:49.33 | pupnik_ | Tili: interesting |
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| 11:50.25 | pupnik_ | Tili: i see libportaudio0 and libportaudio2 in repos so it should work |
| 11:51.03 | pupnik_ | Tili: http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo+multimedia+architecture |
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| 12:37.49 | Zvjer | hi! :) |
| 12:38.48 | Zvjer | anyone live here I can say hello to? |
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| 12:39.28 | Jiten | Zvjer: probably not |
| 12:39.54 | Zvjer | nice :) |
| 12:40.25 | Zvjer | it may be rude from me to come here and start asking questions, but I need to ask one :) |
| 12:40.47 | celesteh | this channel is for asking questions |
| 12:41.01 | Zvjer | I'm searching through maemo site, and I'm not sure is there a tomtom for os2008? |
| 12:41.23 | GeneralAntilles | There isn't |
| 12:41.29 | GeneralAntilles | You want either Navicore or Maemo Mapper |
| 12:41.50 | celesteh | maemo mapper is free and excellent |
| 12:42.11 | Zvjer | I was planning to buy N800 these days, and what a surprise - N810 appeared on internet |
| 12:42.23 | GeneralAntilles | N810 is a waste of money. |
| 12:42.28 | Zvjer | which maps does maemo mapper support? |
| 12:42.39 | Zvjer | and why waste of money? |
| 12:42.44 | GeneralAntilles | You can buy two N800s for the price of one N810 |
| 12:42.47 | GeneralAntilles | same specs |
| 12:42.59 | Zvjer | yes but I like integrated gps |
| 12:43.15 | Zvjer | does 70Mhz and integrated gps worth this money? |
| 12:43.16 | GeneralAntilles | Maemo Mapper uses Google Satellite/Maps and VirtualEarth |
| 12:43.26 | GeneralAntilles | Like I said, they have the same specs. |
| 12:43.28 | Jiten | that's one damn expensive integrated gps then :) |
| 12:43.29 | GeneralAntilles | N800 has the exact same CPU |
| 12:43.33 | Zvjer | virtual earth are the roads, right? |
| 12:43.38 | celesteh | I have a nokie bluetooth gps dongle thingee i use with my n8100 |
| 12:43.41 | GeneralAntilles | Roads and satellite. |
| 12:44.01 | GeneralAntilles | Bluetooth GPS receivers are a lot faster and a lot more accurate than built-in ones. |
| 12:44.01 | celesteh | n810 also has a keyboard, which is worth about €80 |
| 12:44.07 | GeneralAntilles | Hardly |
| 12:44.21 | celesteh | bluetooth folding pda keyboards cost about €80 |
| 12:44.26 | celesteh | in holland |
| 12:44.28 | GeneralAntilles | A _bluetooth_ keyboard might be worth that |
| 12:44.33 | GeneralAntilles | With numbers and real keys |
| 12:44.35 | celesteh | where they are also extremely hard to find :p |
| 12:44.36 | GeneralAntilles | that I can touch-type on |
| 12:44.46 | GeneralAntilles | But a built-in keyboard isn't worth that |
| 12:44.58 | celesteh | i dunno. i just use the finger keyboard on the n800 |
| 12:45.06 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, the finger keyboard on the N800 works great. |
| 12:45.10 | Zvjer | the builtin keyboard is nice but more important is gps to me, because I dont like external gps |
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| 12:45.24 | celesteh | i still want a real keyboard, but no income = no keyboard. meh |
| 12:45.25 | GeneralAntilles | $280 USD worth? |
| 12:45.30 | Zvjer | I can handle external gps if N800 is so much cheaper but I dont like :) |
| 12:45.47 | GeneralAntilles | External GPSes use much better chips. |
| 12:45.48 | Zvjer | N810 is $500 .. how much is N800? |
| 12:45.57 | GeneralAntilles | $220 USD from buy.com |
| 12:46.07 | celesteh | damn, i paid too much |
| 12:46.12 | GeneralAntilles | Plus, you get 3x the storage. |
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| 12:46.30 | Zvjer | :) .. buy.com? nice :) .. I live in Croatia |
| 12:46.34 | GeneralAntilles | 2x 16GB SDHC verus 10GB |
| 12:46.38 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, well, you're screwed then. |
| 12:46.43 | Jiten | n810 does come with more storage integrated though. |
| 12:46.45 | GeneralAntilles | Discounts haven't hit Europe. |
| 12:46.50 | GeneralAntilles | Not really |
| 12:47.05 | GeneralAntilles | that 2gb internal is occupied by 1.7GB of maps. |
| 12:47.05 | Jiten | discounts have hit Finland already. That's in europe. |
| 12:47.08 | Zvjer | isnt N800 330MHz? |
| 12:47.15 | GeneralAntilles | It's clocked down currently |
| 12:47.18 | celesteh | i find this trash talking the new model to be very seductive as it lessens my jealousy |
| 12:47.20 | GeneralAntilles | It'll be 400MHz with OS 2008 |
| 12:47.25 | Zvjer | a-ha |
| 12:47.45 | GeneralAntilles | I was hoping for an OMAP 34xx core in the N810 |
| 12:47.52 | GeneralAntilles | Hopefully we wont have to wait too long for those. |
| 12:47.58 | Zvjer | i'm not into trash talking, I'm a new guy who wants to buy something currently unavailable in my country |
| 12:47.59 | GeneralAntilles | 650MHz, same power usage. :D |
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| 12:48.19 | Jiten | n810 is smaller and more light weight than n800 though. |
| 12:48.23 | GeneralAntilles | It's heavier |
| 12:48.25 | Zvjer | I like that |
| 12:48.32 | GeneralAntilles | and not much smaller. |
| 12:48.36 | GeneralAntilles | 20g heavier |
| 12:48.43 | Jiten | heavier? I heard lighter |
| 12:48.46 | Zvjer | the real question about the price is how much does the N800 and N810 cost in EU |
| 12:48.48 | GeneralAntilles | You heard wrong. |
| 12:49.13 | GeneralAntilles | Trust me, it's heavier. |
| 12:50.01 | Jiten | n800 is available for 270 EUR in Finland. if you remove taxes, that's 210 EUR |
| 12:50.01 | Zvjer | whatabout the opentom project? what device is that for? |
| 12:50.37 | Zvjer | finland is too far for me to go and buy one device. |
| 12:50.37 | Zvjer | austria and germany are ok |
| 12:50.40 | GeneralAntilles | Never heard of it. |
| 12:50.46 | Zvjer | http://www.opentom.org/Main_Page |
| 12:51.02 | GeneralAntilles | Uh, the TomTom Go? |
| 12:51.04 | Jiten | Zvjer: mail order might be possible. |
| 12:52.15 | Zvjer | I like tomtom.. I use it on my 6680 nokia, but the problem is that there is no version 6 for my phone |
| 12:52.43 | GeneralAntilles | Maemo Mapper's quite good, and I hear good things about Navicore |
| 12:52.47 | Zvjer | so now I'm thinking about not buying a new phone but better to buy N800 or N810 as an addon to my phone |
| 12:53.02 | Zvjer | what maps does navicore swallow? |
| 12:53.15 | GeneralAntilles | It's basically what everybody uses. |
| 12:53.16 | Zvjer | maps are important question for me because I live .. nowhere hehe |
| 12:53.17 | GeneralAntilles | Garmin |
| 12:53.18 | GeneralAntilles | etc. |
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| 12:53.46 | Zvjer | ok |
| 12:53.47 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.navicoretech.com/en_GB/LangSelect/ |
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| 12:55.29 | Zvjer | navicore only major roads in my country - just had a look. not good for me |
| 12:55.47 | GeneralAntilles | Well, there's always google satellite. |
| 12:55.59 | roope | The N810 map application is actually quite ok. I've just been playing around with it. |
| 12:56.09 | Jiten | yeah, maemo mapper can use google maps data. |
| 12:56.40 | Zvjer | google maps croatia coverage is ok. not perfect but ok |
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| 12:56.57 | GeneralAntilles | Maemo Mapper's free, so what's not to love. :) |
| 12:57.04 | Zvjer | tomtom has better maps in my country, that's why I keep mentioning tomtom |
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| 12:58.11 | sciboy | Yay! |
| 12:58.17 | GeneralAntilles | Get it? |
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| 12:58.53 | Zvjer | I'm currently browsing my city through googlemaps |
| 12:58.58 | sciboy | Typing from my N800! |
| 12:59.04 | GeneralAntilles | 'grats |
| 12:59.11 | GeneralAntilles | You upgrade the firmware to the latest, sciboy? |
| 12:59.20 | Zvjer | if tomtom go is opensource, why then theres no maemo version? :) |
| 12:59.42 | GeneralAntilles | Uh, because there's not much market there |
| 12:59.50 | Juhaz | it's not |
| 12:59.53 | GeneralAntilles | and porting it to radically different hardware would be quite expensive. |
| 13:00.06 | sciboy | 2007, Yeah, using an SD card after all. |
| 13:00.07 | Juhaz | the OS is partly open source, the mapping application is not |
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| 13:01.17 | Juhaz | hardware is hardly "radically" different, though, it'd probably be trivial to port. |
| 13:02.05 | sciboy | Trying to get a handle on typing on the screen... |
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| 13:02.42 | GeneralAntilles | You using the thumbbard, sciboy? |
| 13:02.45 | GeneralAntilles | *board |
| 13:03.04 | Zvjer | this is very funny ... the web site maps.google.com has older maps then google earth |
| 13:03.19 | sciboy | Stylus, what do you recommend? |
| 13:03.28 | GeneralAntilles | thumbboard |
| 13:03.29 | _Monkey | thumbboard is probably nice, but i find the delay frustrating |
| 13:03.38 | GeneralAntilles | Hit the text entry field with a full finger |
| 13:03.48 | GeneralAntilles | Or press the middle button on the d-pad to bring it up. |
| 13:04.23 | Zvjer | I see beacuse the roads in google earth are new |
| 13:04.33 | sciboy | Should I use both thumbs to type? |
| 13:04.54 | GeneralAntilles | Yes. |
| 13:04.56 | GeneralAntilles | Works great |
| 13:05.01 | GeneralAntilles | Just don't hit them at the same time. |
| 13:05.04 | GeneralAntilles | Not multi-touch |
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| 13:06.11 | sciboy | Whoops. |
| 13:07.11 | sciboy | Is there a shift-key? (not caps) |
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| 13:10.20 | sciboy | Just feels a little odd having to hit CAPS twice. |
| 13:10.47 | sciboy | =P |
| 13:11.40 | GeneralAntilles | If press a key and move up into the next row and let go you get a shift-letter. |
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| 13:14.49 | Jaffa | Yay, it's released: http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2007/10/22/on_demand_transcoding_server_initial_rel |
| 13:15.22 | GeneralAntilles | Sweet |
| 13:15.32 | Jaffa | Complete with instructions :) |
| 13:16.28 | sciboy | =D |
| 13:17.51 | sciboy | I'm still a bit bummed about not having WiFi reception in my room. =/ |
| 13:18.20 | GeneralAntilles | Get yourself another router. |
| 13:18.43 | cosmo | Jaffa: wow, looks great |
| 13:19.29 | ||cw | can that be used to download stuff too or just to play the stream? |
| 13:19.56 | Jaffa | If you click "Save" rather than "Open" (or the "Download" button in Video Center) it'll also save it to your tablet. |
| 13:20.02 | ||cw | nice |
| 13:20.25 | Jaffa | Annoyingly, the usage tracking isn't working properly in this version so it'll keep the videos around on the transcoding box too (like GeneralAntilles wanted ;-)) |
| 13:20.33 | sciboy | Only problem is the price issue. =P |
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| 13:21.20 | ||cw | sciboy: pick up a $10 usb wifi and make an ad-hoc from your PC and use the pc as a router |
| 13:21.32 | snowmoon | Jaffa: that what a cron job if for find /dir -mtime 2 -name "conv.mp4" -exec rm {} \; |
| 13:21.53 | Jaffa | snowmoon: yeah, that's a decent enough workaround. |
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| 13:23.40 | cosmo | did i understand correctly that it contains a web server that can be used to browse & stream the files? |
| 13:23.47 | Jaffa | cosmo: correct |
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| 13:24.30 | cosmo | VERY sweet. perl is powerful. |
| 13:24.41 | sciboy | I was hoping to avoid having my desktop on. (noise) |
| 13:26.31 | cosmo | Jaffa: if you want, i can do debian packaging for it |
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| 13:27.10 | Jaffa | cosmo: That'd be very cool (might want to wait for it to get a bit nicer) |
| 13:27.14 | cosmo | i'd also prefer running it as a daemon like any other server |
| 13:27.18 | Jaffa | Yeah |
| 13:27.21 | sciboy | Uh oh, it's getting late, chat with you guys later. Thanks for the help. |
| 13:28.32 | GeneralAntilles | Ick, gotta reinstall Xcode, evidently I need all the legacy SDKs to have cpan installs work right. |
| 13:28.38 | cosmo | any guesses how powerful pc you need to stream normal definition video? |
| 13:29.15 | cosmo | my home server is 800mHz, i'm not sure if it's enough.. |
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| 13:29.41 | Jaffa | cosmo: Converting standard def downloaded DivXes to the "smallest" preset (currently hardcoded) has CPU to spare on a 1GHz Via EPIA C3, equivalent to a ~800Mhz P3 IIRC |
| 13:29.43 | ||cw | 3000+ |
| 13:30.07 | ||cw | actualy, at 770's res, slower would work but 800 is probably too slow |
| 13:30.08 | cosmo | ok, not bad |
| 13:30.12 | GeneralAntilles | Any trouble if I change the preset to "mplayer", Jaffa? |
| 13:30.30 | ||cw | my 3800+ encodes at about 70fps |
| 13:30.40 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: nope - needs doing in just one place (i.e. the 770-encode call), should work fine if your machine's fast enough |
| 13:31.08 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, ffmpeg does a 22 minute show to that quality in about 7 minutes for me. |
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| 13:33.52 | snowmoon | Can the n800 accept MMC-RS cards ( the 770 form factor ) |
| 13:33.59 | Jaffa | Yes, with an adapter. |
| 13:34.43 | cosmo | i think they also fit without adapter in internal slot |
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| 13:34.51 | Jaffa | Oh, cool. |
| 13:35.49 | snowmoon | buy.com is taunting me |
| 13:35.57 | Jiten | Chinook has minimo I heard. Is it possible to embed that in applications? I didn't see any documentation on that. |
| 13:36.10 | GeneralAntilles | MicroB |
| 13:36.11 | _Monkey | it has been said that MicroB is the nokia sponsored gtk2-cairo hack of gecko for use by /usr/bin/browser via eal on n800 (4.2007) |
| 13:36.12 | Jaffa | Jiten: microb, not minimo (but both Gecko based) |
| 13:37.36 | Jaffa | Odd. I didn't know the iPod Touch featured a VPN client: http://www.macworld.com/news/2007/10/21/ipodtouch/index.php?lsrc=mwrss |
| 13:38.30 | GeneralAntilles | Too bad Apple isn't giving us a bash prompt yet. |
| 13:39.03 | GeneralAntilles | At least the SDK will be coming soon enough. |
| 13:39.18 | Jaffa | I bet it'll take less than a day from the SDK being released in Feb to having Terminal.app. The refreshed eye candy of IT OS 2008 looks like it might sait me for a while, though. |
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| 13:39.44 | snowmoon | Jaffa: http://blog.tomh.us/post/12863395 |
| 13:39.49 | GeneralAntilles | Well, until the iPhone/iPod has 800x480 I'm not buying one. |
| 13:40.01 | Zvjer | hehehe |
| 13:40.12 | Jaffa | snowmoon: Ah, ta. Wondered why I hadn't heard about it. |
| 13:40.26 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Lack of Bluetooth is a killer for me, too. |
| 13:40.51 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, forgot about that. |
| 13:41.13 | snowmoon | With a BT phone and some easily obtained hacks for Verizon I can get on at ISDN speeds anywhere I can get a bar of signal on my phone |
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| 13:41.51 | GeneralAntilles | Wish bluetooth tethering weren't limited to 50KB/sec on the N800 |
| 13:42.00 | Jiten | ok, so there is a way to embed html widget in my application. Now I guess this one is missing python bindings too? |
| 13:42.12 | GeneralAntilles | I can't imagine why it's running at half capacity. |
| 13:42.17 | Jaffa | Jiten: There's a gtkhtml widget IIRC |
| 13:43.10 | Jiten | no python bindings for that either. |
| 13:44.10 | snowmoon | GeneralAntilles: 50KB/sec? Is that some sort of hardware limitation |
| 13:44.41 | GeneralAntilles | Can't be |
| 13:44.52 | GeneralAntilles | Since I get 120KB/sec doing file transfers to/from my computer. |
| 13:45.39 | GeneralAntilles | 3g worked really nicely on the trains when I was on vacation in San Francisco a few months ago. |
| 13:45.43 | GeneralAntilles | Minus the tunnels, of course. |
| 13:45.53 | snowmoon | 50kbps is still faster than most BT phone as internet can provide ( excpet for excellent EVDO coverage ) |
| 13:46.11 | GeneralAntilles | My phone does about 350KB/sec |
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| 13:46.37 | suihkulokki | Jaffa: my god that macworld article... the writer is so full of apple kool-aid |
| 13:46.46 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 13:46.50 | GeneralAntilles | It's Macworld, what do you expect? :P |
| 13:46.56 | Jaffa | heh |
| 13:47.10 | GeneralAntilles | MacAddict was always more interesting |
| 13:47.13 | snowmoon | I guess a little objectivity would be too much to ask |
| 13:47.17 | suihkulokki | "The world clock is extremely useful when traveling across time zones, crucial for the jet-setting international exec" |
| 13:47.21 | suihkulokki | OOOOOOOH |
| 13:47.24 | GeneralAntilles | Though they've gone into the crapper over the past few years. |
| 13:48.16 | Jiten | Jaffa: ah, that's right, gtkhtml is severely lacking in documentation. Know any good examples? |
| 13:48.17 | gla55 | "ooh never seen that in a phone before" |
| 13:48.36 | snowmoon | anyone had trouble with getting a link-local IP on some WiFi spots that work with laptops |
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| 13:48.45 | Jaffa | Jiten: I'm afraid I don't have any to hand. |
| 13:49.53 | GeneralAntilles | Occassionally, snowmoon |
| 13:51.22 | snowmoon | Good to know it's not just me. Also flashed my 770 up to 2007HE and now navigation with my thumbs is much more difficult... I hear the screen "tap" but it never activated the button unless I hit it "just so" |
| 13:51.50 | snowmoon | Is there a way to tweak it to be more like the it2006 response |
| 13:51.54 | shapr | Funny, 2007HE was much easier for the thumb keyboard for me. |
| 13:52.04 | Jaffa | The tap is played on any click, whether over a button or not; very irritating but not particularly easy to fix |
| 13:52.12 | snowmoon | shapr: Oh, no not the big keyboard, like dialog buttons |
| 13:52.15 | shapr | oh |
| 13:52.21 | Jaffa | snowmoon: poked around for various sensitivity options in Control Panel? |
| 13:52.26 | snowmoon | the big keyboard ia 100% better |
| 13:52.44 | snowmoon | Jaffa: Yes, they don't seem to do much of anything |
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| 13:53.42 | snowmoon | It's like the 2007HE is rejecting my sausage presses and 2006 would say "close enough" |
| 13:53.57 | snowmoon | Especially annoying since I hate taking the stylus out |
| 13:54.25 | GeneralAntilles | Time for some cosmetic surgery to slim down your fingers. :P |
| 13:54.40 | snowmoon | things like the network connections in the status bar, I can't activate it under 2007HE, but worked like a charm under 2006 |
| 13:54.47 | shapr | I have monster fingers too. |
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| 13:55.43 | Zvjer | buy a fingertipstylus |
| 13:55.44 | shapr | My hand is wider than the 770 screen. |
| 13:55.56 | Zvjer | the finger cap sharp little typing thing :) |
| 13:56.17 | shapr | Hm, yeah |
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| 13:57.04 | snowmoon | 2007HE seems much more responsive and short of the one app bug, more stable as well |
| 13:58.03 | Jiten | when you use your thumbs, it seems to require quite firm presses to react. The requires pressure level is already high enough that I'm somewhat unwilling to press that much. |
| 13:58.10 | shapr | For 2007HE, the clock crashed on me yesterday, but I only noticed this morning when the alarm didn't go off. |
| 13:58.21 | shapr | When I tried to check the alarm, *then* the clock really crashed. |
| 13:58.39 | snowmoon | Jiten: actually the oposite for me... I have to light press in order for dialog buttons to operate correctly |
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| 14:01.10 | onion | Jiten: or then the touch screen part is slowly dying as mine did |
| 14:01.53 | Jiten | this is practically brand new device still. you mean it might be broken already? |
| 14:02.09 | Jiten | with the stylus, there are no problems |
| 14:02.31 | onion | Jiten: It slowly got more and more unresponsive until I had to press like crazy for it to react |
| 14:02.39 | onion | but that involved the stylus as well |
| 14:03.41 | Jiten | anyway, when I want to scroll a web page for example, with my finger, I have to support the device with my other hand. Otherwise it'll simply move with my finger. |
| 14:03.49 | Jiten | lighter touches are not enough to scroll |
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| 14:05.07 | shapr | Jaffa: I wish the IT OS alarm clock were *extremely* reliable, my life would be much easier. |
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| 14:07.32 | pupnik | i can't stand fingerprints |
| 14:08.09 | snowmoon | corrective surgery can fix that |
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| 14:09.22 | pupnik | one impressive design aspect of apple's devices is how the screen is flush with the case bezel |
| 14:09.27 | pupnik | that doesn't seem like an easy feat |
| 14:10.39 | snowmoon | pupnik: while slick I wonder if it increases risk of damaging the glass screen with pressure |
| 14:11.13 | pupnik | i would assume so - raised frame of the 800/810 helps a bit - but nothing beats the 770 for ruggedness |
| 14:11.42 | snowmoon | I just wish the network didn't drop when you put the hardcase on |
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| 14:15.57 | Tili | pupnik: thanks for msg about 3 hours ago. that link helped. now need to see why it can't find any device. |
| 14:16.00 | Tili | on emulator |
| 14:19.51 | pupnik | in scratchbox i don't have sound working Tili |
| 14:23.49 | bstock | anyone have an actual release date for the 810? |
| 14:23.56 | bstock | all i keep seeing is 'november' |
| 14:24.09 | Jaffa | "Mid-November". That's slightly more specific ;-) |
| 14:24.32 | bstock | heh yeah |
| 14:24.36 | snowmoon | So that means sometime before thanksgiving |
| 14:24.48 | shapr | snowmoon: Control panel lets you set "disconnect when hardcase is on" or not. |
| 14:25.21 | Jaffa | snowmoon: bah, some of us don't have additional holidays between now and Christmas |
| 14:25.35 | snowmoon | shapr: what control panel item |
| 14:29.11 | shapr | snowmoon: Connectivity I think |
| 14:29.18 | shapr | in any case, the network doesn't go off when the hardcase closes for 2007HE |
| 14:29.47 | snowmoon | heh... hadn't noticed yet, just assumed it did |
| 14:30.21 | snowmoon | did you find 2007he much faster all around, even web which uses the same software? |
| 14:30.52 | shapr | A lot of things are faster, a few are slower. |
| 14:31.28 | snowmoon | I still may pick up the n800 since buy is taunting me |
| 14:32.00 | shapr | I'm thinking about that too. |
| 14:32.35 | snowmoon | i think there is a 5% off as well as the google checkout that can be stacked |
| 14:33.21 | snowmoon | do bloetooth headsets work with 2007he? |
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| 14:37.35 | shapr | snowmoon: I can make an authenticated connection just fine, but I haven't been able to get SCO or A2DP working with my bt headset. |
| 14:38.10 | Tili | i can't get hildon_file_chooser_dialog.h file. dont see it and OggPlay doesnt compile because of that |
| 14:38.21 | Tili | pupnik: can we get sound in scratchbox |
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| 14:41.10 | pupnik | Tili: i test stuff on the device, not in scratchbox |
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| 14:45.07 | Tili | pupnik: thanks. i will do same. |
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| 14:45.32 | sciboy | SHIT, Forgot the password for my routers control panel |
| 14:45.54 | sxpert-work | sciboy: use the reset switch luke |
| 14:46.17 | sciboy | Can't switch the network to ad-hoc |
| 14:47.17 | sciboy | If i reset it i'll lose all the isp settings i can't remember either. |
| 14:49.12 | sciboy | There isn't a way to connect an AP in ad-hoc mode with a router in infrastructure mode, is there? |
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| 15:13.40 | sciboy | I'll take that as a no... |
| 15:15.39 | massoud | Ehlo there |
| 15:16.12 | massoud | I am trying to flash my just-received n770 with the SU-18_2007HACKER_4.2007.36-2_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin FW |
| 15:16.30 | GeneralAntilles | OK |
| 15:16.40 | Solarion | sciboy: I've no idea what you're askign |
| 15:16.43 | massoud | but it stopped during the flashing process and now the tablet seems not willing to boot |
| 15:17.00 | massoud | I recharged it for an hour |
| 15:17.16 | massoud | but still it boots for the Nokia logo and then nothing |
| 15:18.22 | massoud | Sending and flashing rootfs image (74946 kB)... 12% (9216 of 74946 kB, 1994 kB/s) |
| 15:18.22 | massoud | Write failed after 9437184 bytes |
| 15:18.35 | massoud | while I was flashing it |
| 15:18.47 | massoud | sorry to bother |
| 15:20.28 | sciboy | I have a router in infrastructure mode and I would like to connect to it while in ad-hoc mode. Is that possible? |
| 15:20.52 | Solarion | sciboy: only if you have 2 wifi cards, TMK |
| 15:21.04 | Solarion | (one in infrastructure, one in ad-hoc) |
| 15:22.06 | sciboy | Bugger. The device in question doesn't have that option. |
| 15:22.22 | lardman | massoud: corrupt download? |
| 15:22.31 | Solarion | I suppose you could always hack it and see, but it may be a hardware limitation |
| 15:23.11 | Solarion | sciboy: of course, if you can reverse-engineer the firmware and/or daemons and the hardware is winmodem-like (i.e. just enough to drive the antenna) then the world may be your oyster. |
| 15:23.12 | massoud | lardman : download from the maemo.org site with my WLAN ID |
| 15:23.38 | GeneralAntilles | Try downloading again. |
| 15:23.54 | lardman | or can someone provide an md5 for it |
| 15:24.09 | lardman | my (working) download is at home so I can't help |
| 15:24.43 | pupnik | md5 what file |
| 15:25.37 | lardman | a working flash image |
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| 15:26.22 | pupnik | 421eac7f6800b5ddee8e7ed9319c434e SU-18_2006SE_3.2006.49-2_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 15:26.41 | lardman | cheers |
| 15:26.59 | massoud | but I tried twice the flash process and stopped at 9% the 1st time and 12% the 2nd time |
| 15:27.07 | lardman | check the md5sum |
| 15:27.11 | massoud | ok |
| 15:27.18 | zoran | any problem with host hardware? |
| 15:28.07 | massoud | got it from http://irongeek.com/i.php?page=maemo/nokia-770-800-hacking-pen-testing |
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| 15:29.17 | pupnik | 2ab52f8a75e17bb7be673a67dca65399 SU-18_2007HACKER_2.2006.47-17_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 15:29.57 | massoud | 30ab385dd9a64d9cf14fdbbb531f1315 SU-18_2007HACKER_4.2007.36-2_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 15:30.01 | massoud | hmm |
| 15:30.01 | [31d1] | HAPPY INTERNATIONAL CAPS LOCK DAY EVERYBODY |
| 15:30.22 | lardman | different filenames |
| 15:30.22 | pupnik | looks like i need a newer 2007 |
| 15:30.33 | GeneralAntilles | Well, Jaffa, I'm thoroughly confused. 770-encode fails with: mplayer doesn't support FFmpeg lavc encode |
| 15:30.45 | GeneralAntilles | Somehow, I don't think I have mencoder installed correctly. |
| 15:30.46 | massoud | where did you get the SU-18_2007HACKER_2.2006.47-17_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin ? |
| 15:31.02 | pupnik | GeneralAntilles: you are using a 'free' ffmpeg without much codec support |
| 15:31.08 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: That sounds like exactly your problem. Where did you get your mencoder from? |
| 15:31.34 | pupnik | run ffmpeg -formats |
| 15:31.39 | massoud | Is there a key combination to have it boot up and remained up till I connect and flash ? |
| 15:32.03 | massoud | cause right now I can only boot for 1-2 second (Nokia logo) |
| 15:32.19 | Jaffa | pupnik: no, 770-encode's not using ffmpeg directly. But it does sound like a stripped down mencoder. |
| 15:32.20 | GeneralAntilles | OK, a better clarification: is there a distinction between ffmpeg and mencoder (uber noob warning. ;)) |
| 15:32.29 | lardman | massoud: you should switch off (no power), then start the flasher, then add power & it will boot |
| 15:32.31 | pupnik | hmm |
| 15:32.44 | GeneralAntilles | I pulled mencoder out of Mencoder OSX (a GUI app) and stuck it in /usr/bin |
| 15:32.46 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 15:32.47 | pupnik | sorry if i had wrong info |
| 15:32.58 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: ffmpeg is two things: 1) a library used by mplayer/mencoder; 2) a simple front end for that library. |
| 15:33.30 | massoud | lardman : I try |
| 15:33.34 | lardman | massoud: where power=external power plug |
| 15:33.53 | pupnik | i just know standard debian ffmpeg is crippled over patent/licensing problems |
| 15:33.57 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Do `mencoder -ovc help' and paste the results somewhere. |
| 15:34.16 | Jaffa | pupnik: indeed. Recent versions work well, though |
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| 15:34.44 | GeneralAntilles | http://pastebin.com/d586f47b7 |
| 15:34.57 | massoud | lardman : doesnt react :( |
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| 15:35.02 | GeneralAntilles | Looks like a bad method to install mencoder. >_> |
| 15:35.16 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: nothing too wrong with that, but get a much newer version from http://www.mplayerhq.hu/design7/dload.html |
| 15:35.16 | lardman | massoud: it should at least boot when you apply power |
| 15:35.17 | GeneralAntilles | I don't see a package anywhere and I don't think Fink has it. |
| 15:35.29 | massoud | usb plug + flash run + power pligged + switchON button press and nothing |
| 15:35.38 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: e.g. http://www1.mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases/MPlayerOSX_1.0rc1.dmg |
| 15:35.45 | mbjohn | hello all! |
| 15:35.48 | zoran | home+power buttons |
| 15:35.59 | massoud | lardman : no reaction when power plugged |
| 15:36.04 | zoran | home+power buttons |
| 15:36.07 | lardman | hmm, try pulling the battery, then put it back in , then plug usb, start flasher, then apply external power (should be no need to press buttons) |
| 15:37.19 | mbjohn | I have a quick question, probably one that's been asked and answered (but I didn't find) -- is there anyway to use a BT-enabled cell phone as a regular modem with the 770, without have outrageous data plans? |
| 15:37.34 | snowmoon | mbjohn: check out howardforums |
| 15:37.57 | massoud | did work a little bit then : |
| 15:37.58 | massoud | 100% (1239 of 1239 kB, avg. 992 kB/s) |
| 15:37.59 | massoud | Flashing kernel... Sending request 0x50 failed: Protocol error |
| 15:38.00 | snowmoon | the answer is yes, but in a non-trivial way ( depends on phone, provider, plan ... ) |
| 15:38.09 | massoud | and switched off |
| 15:38.19 | Jaffa | mbjohn: yes, it supports data calls, as well as packet data. However, that depends on whether or not your phone provider can still identify the GSM call as a data one) |
| 15:38.29 | lardman | massoud: what command line are you using with the flasher? |
| 15:38.51 | mbjohn | snowmoon: thanks! I'll look into it! BTW, is there still a lot of interest in the 770? I'm brushing mine off for the first time in a while |
| 15:39.13 | snowmoon | I just bought one and I use mine with Verizon through an Moto e815 |
| 15:39.24 | lardman | mbjohn: you probably want to search for DUN |
| 15:39.57 | mbjohn | lardman: thanks! |
| 15:39.58 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: also, `mencoder -oac help' too (newer version still worthwhile, though) |
| 15:40.33 | mbjohn | I've got verizon with an LG enV (9900 or smething?) |
| 15:40.51 | GeneralAntilles | Well, the .dmg contains an installer package which installs MPlayer OSX.app |
| 15:40.59 | massoud | lardman : ./flasher-3.0 -F SU-18_2007HACKER_4.2007.36-2_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R |
| 15:41.05 | massoud | as ROOT |
| 15:41.06 | GeneralAntilles | No mencoder, though. |
| 15:41.25 | zoran | massoud, it did not reboot? |
| 15:41.45 | GeneralAntilles | http://pastebin.com/d1780d4f3 |
| 15:41.50 | GeneralAntilles | Little light on the codecs. |
| 15:42.40 | Jaffa | OK, hang on... |
| 15:42.40 | _Monkey | hang on... is it free? |
| 15:42.43 | massoud | zoran : it did reboot but stopped in the flashing initfs process |
| 15:43.14 | lardman | massoud: I'd be tempted to try flasher-2.0 |
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| 15:43.37 | zoran | I flashed with 2.0 the last version 2006 |
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| 15:43.42 | lardman | massoud: I seem to remember someone else having some problem that resulted in that Sending request 0x50 failed: Protocol error message |
| 15:45.42 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: new version of 770-encode at http://bleb.org/software/770/#encode - that should support your mencoder now |
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| 15:46.28 | massoud | zoran : "Unsupported board (id = 0x0000) |
| 15:46.35 | massoud | with flasher-2.0 |
| 15:46.38 | massoud | :( |
| 15:46.48 | lardman | massoud: this is a 770? |
| 15:46.57 | massoud | lardman : yes |
| 15:47.10 | zoran | battery full? |
| 15:47.22 | lardman | perhaps try flasher (1), was flasher 2 for the initial N800 releases? |
| 15:48.16 | massoud | zoran : no, that might be the pb |
| 15:48.20 | zoran | if battery full, try to remove mmc crd first |
| 15:48.26 | zoran | *card |
| 15:48.38 | massoud | my batt was not full and not too much charged |
| 15:48.45 | massoud | should I have my batt full ? |
| 15:48.51 | zoran | load it to be full |
| 15:48.58 | zoran | try that |
| 15:49.21 | lardman | massoud: you ought to have a reasonably fully charged battery in case the external power fails midway through the flashing process |
| 15:49.22 | zoran | or remove battery first and put it back and then refill |
| 15:50.17 | lardman | massoud: I'd be tempted to try flashing again, but leave off the last -R |
| 15:50.36 | massoud | zoran, lardman : I try |
| 15:50.47 | lardman | massoud: then try rebooting yourself manually |
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| 15:51.40 | lardman | massoud: :) actually try rebooting the 700 manually ;) |
| 15:51.44 | lardman | 770 |
| 15:52.08 | massoud | without -R doesn t help |
| 15:52.13 | lardman | same error? |
| 15:52.17 | massoud | I recharge the batt then |
| 15:52.19 | massoud | yes |
| 15:52.22 | lardman | ok |
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| 15:52.43 | massoud | Sending kernel image (1239 kB)... |
| 15:52.44 | massoud | 100% (1239 of 1239 kB, avg. 993 kB/s) |
| 15:52.44 | massoud | Flashing kernel... done. |
| 15:52.44 | massoud | Sending initfs image (1851 kB)... |
| 15:52.44 | massoud | 100% (1851 of 1851 kB, avg. 976 kB/s) |
| 15:52.46 | massoud | Flashing initfs... Sending request 0x50 failed: Value too large for defined data type |
| 15:53.01 | massoud | slighlty diff actually |
| 15:53.10 | lardman | hmm |
| 15:53.28 | lardman | very strange |
| 15:54.09 | massoud | sorry |
| 15:54.18 | lardman | I think an entry in the bugtracker might be the best bet, give this info - the Nokians will be able to decipher what's causing the problem, but I'd still try downloading again, on the off chance the flash image (and the flasher for that matter) are corrupted |
| 15:55.07 | zoran | massoud, could you reflash any file? |
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| 15:55.17 | zoran | like 3.2006.49-2 |
| 15:55.31 | zoran | use flasher-2.0 |
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| 15:55.43 | snowmoon | massoud: have you tried a different host to flash it from.. possible USB hardware problem on the other end |
| 15:56.23 | snowmoon | direct connect ( no hubs ) |
| 15:56.24 | GeneralAntilles | Well, with the next 770-encode version I get this with the old mencoder: http://pastebin.com/d73973c14 Went ahead and compiled a newer version of mencoder and now I get this: http://pastebin.com/d3d52f91e |
| 15:56.31 | lardman | ah, what about trying 0xFFFF to do the flashing - should give you more info about what's wrong |
| 15:57.04 | lardman | http://www.nopcode.org/0xFFFF/ |
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| 15:58.36 | zoran | I would advise massoud to recharge the battery first, till he downloads the file again |
| 15:58.52 | massoud | zoran : I am on it |
| 15:58.56 | zoran | :) |
| 15:59.25 | zoran | solving problems is 99% of fun |
| 15:59.51 | massoud | to exclude the batt from the solvings |
| 15:59.54 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: mv ~/.mplayer ~/dot-mplayer-old & try again? |
| 16:00.11 | zoran | what box do you use to reflash? |
| 16:00.20 | zoran | usb 2.0? |
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| 16:01.16 | GeneralAntilles | Well, now I get a container |
| 16:01.23 | GeneralAntilles | But it doesn't actually do any encoding |
| 16:02.55 | Jaffa | Hmm, that's unusual. Can you play back the source video with the companion 'mplayer'? |
| 16:03.13 | GeneralAntilles | Yes. |
| 16:03.19 | lardman | http://www.nopcode.org/0xFFFF/?p=docu&q=nokia-tips |
| 16:03.22 | lardman | no checksums |
| 16:03.34 | zoran | I read a lot reviews about nokia's 6120 phone and it looks fine |
| 16:03.48 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Hmm. PowerPC mac? |
| 16:03.54 | GeneralAntilles | Yeppers |
| 16:04.05 | zoran | jsut cannot get a point of overheating issue some reviewers mention |
| 16:04.09 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: how big's the resulting file - and the source? |
| 16:04.38 | GeneralAntilles | Result: 0KB Source: 175.4MB |
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| 16:05.28 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: paste of the output again, please? |
| 16:06.09 | GeneralAntilles | http://pastebin.com/d5ecce1b3 |
| 16:08.00 | GeneralAntilles | Any way to get more verbose output? |
| 16:08.39 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: maybe... try perl /Library/WebServer/CGI-Executables/mediaserv/770-encode -m-v ... |
| 16:09.30 | GeneralAntilles | http://pastebin.com/d7b37ba90 |
| 16:10.03 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: try with -m-vvv ? |
| 16:10.48 | GeneralAntilles | http://pastebin.com/d91684c6 |
| 16:12.00 | Jaffa | Yeah, that might have been a long shot. What about '-s -m-v -m-v -m-v' ? |
| 16:12.48 | GeneralAntilles | http://pastebin.com/d69393ce1 |
| 16:12.49 | GeneralAntilles | No luck |
| 16:13.20 | Jaffa | Oh... hang on: "Building audio filter chain for 48000Hz/2ch/s16be -> 44100Hz/0ch/s8..." - that doesn't look right |
| 16:14.20 | lardman | massoud: good luck with the flashing |
| 16:14.22 | lardman | night all |
| 16:14.53 | massoud | lardman : seems that it was a batt down issue ... it s flashed |
| 16:15.04 | massoud | you have good dreams and good nap |
| 16:15.06 | massoud | :) |
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| 16:17.00 | dougt | does anyone know what version of pangocairo exists on the n800 or the n810? |
| 16:18.27 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: try changing line 129 from "my $af = 'volnorm';" to "my $af = 'volnorm,format=s16ne';" and rerun with the '-s -m-v'. Thanks for your patience, btw. |
| 16:18.55 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe, my patience? No, thank you for _your_ patience. :) |
| 16:19.06 | Jaffa | It's my tool which isn't working for you ;-) |
| 16:21.08 | GeneralAntilles | http://pastebin.com/d685c3600 |
| 16:21.20 | GeneralAntilles | Don't think it did anything. |
| 16:21.31 | Jaffa | Indeed |
| 16:22.13 | Jaffa | BTW, what if you use a different preset, e.g. "best" 770-encode -p best -s -m-v ... ... |
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| 16:23.50 | GeneralAntilles | Looks like no difference. http://pastebin.com/d7cff0731 |
| 16:25.28 | Jaffa | Damnit. |
| 16:31.10 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Let's look for another mencoder then... does http://www.mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases/MPlayerOSX_1.0pre8.dmg contain one? |
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| 16:32.30 | GeneralAntilles | Interestingly and unfortunately, no. |
| 16:32.49 | Jaffa | OK, http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/mplayerosx/ffmpegXbinaries20060307.zip seems to contain some - old, but hopefully not too old. |
| 16:33.47 | GeneralAntilles | The one we're using now I built at 1200 EDT |
| 16:33.52 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno if I configured it correctly, though. |
| 16:34.40 | Jaffa | Try the one from inside https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1432/MediaConverterOSXUniversal.zip - I'm sure I heard about a bug in some recent version on OS X |
| 16:34.47 | Jaffa | But I don't have an OS X box any more |
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| 16:37.25 | unique311 | Jaffa, will your project be made avail for windows boxes? |
| 16:37.31 | GeneralAntilles | No change. |
| 16:37.53 | Jaffa | unique311: hopefully - possibly even as an .exe :) |
| 16:38.18 | unique311 | still trying to reinstall ubuntu... |
| 16:38.34 | Jiten | trying? |
| 16:38.49 | unique311 | yeah. long story. |
| 16:39.16 | unique311 | being lazy... |
| 16:39.35 | unique311 | want to install it natively on a second partition via vmware. |
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| 16:39.49 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: damn. One last thing: try running `mencoder /Users/ryan/Movies/Miro/1108.avi -o /Users/ryan/Desktop/test123.avi -oac lavc -lavcopts acodec=mp3:abitrate=128 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vbitrate=400 -vf-add crop=512:325 -vf-add scale=352:224 -ofps 23.976 -ffourcc DIVX -noidx -endpos 30 -v' directly. |
| 16:40.04 | Jiten | unique311: should work. |
| 16:40.15 | unique311 | i know... |
| 16:40.28 | unique311 | but different story when actually doing it.. |
| 16:40.35 | unique311 | it installs perfectly.. |
| 16:40.38 | GeneralAntilles | Different, but still no go. http://pastebin.com/d7b0cc052 |
| 16:40.38 | Jiten | at least in theory, gutsy (7.10) should install just fine and even work properly if you boot it natively |
| 16:41.09 | Jiten | the only thing that might be tricky is installing bootloader |
| 16:41.12 | unique311 | but after a shut down..it complains that the disk has been change..and its like linux was never installed. |
| 16:41.33 | Jiten | what complains exactly? |
| 16:41.54 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: OK, I'm stumped - looks like your mencoder doesn't support mp3 encoding (this the one you built yourself)? The one inside MediaConverterOSXUniversal.zip should work, but if that's not working, I'm out of ideas. Sorry. |
| 16:41.54 | unique311 | the disk has been change since last boot up. |
| 16:42.08 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe, thanks for your time, Jaffa. |
| 16:42.19 | GeneralAntilles | I'll keep trying and see if I can get it working. |
| 16:42.30 | GeneralAntilles | This is the one from MediaConverter now. |
| 16:42.44 | Jiten | of course, if you want to avoid problems, you should set the vmware hard disk emulation to look like your real one. |
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| 16:42.46 | unique311 | considering i didnt write it down..thats all i can remember from the 4 line error |
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| 16:43.30 | Jiten | well, mostly just the linux partitions should be at the same positions in the partition table. |
| 16:44.04 | sp3000 | oh, http://maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2007/10/22/on_demand_transcoding_server_initial_rel |
| 16:44.15 | sp3000 | I like it when people have my ideas and implement them :P |
| 16:44.19 | Jaffa | sp3000: indeed |
| 16:44.24 | Jaffa | suggestions welcome :) |
| 16:44.33 | unique311 | Jiten, i notice i change the second partition doing the ubuntu install....but in windows...its still says its a fat16 partition. |
| 16:44.41 | Jiten | unique311: when you boot the computer, does the text "ubuntu" show up anywhere before the error? |
| 16:44.49 | unique311 | no. |
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| 16:44.58 | Jiten | ok, it's the bootloader then. |
| 16:45.01 | unique311 | the first restart after install it boots properly. |
| 16:45.08 | unique311 | but when i shut it down.. |
| 16:45.28 | Jiten | ok, now it's starting to sound weird. |
| 16:45.33 | unique311 | and try to start it..thats when it complains..that the disk has been changed.. |
| 16:45.56 | Jiten | as long as you don't mean a reboot inside vmware |
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| 16:46.23 | Jiten | or does it stop working in vmware too? |
| 16:46.47 | Jiten | there is also the matter of precise settings you use for the hard disk in vmware. |
| 16:46.56 | unique311 | after the install.. |
| 16:47.08 | unique311 | it ask for restart..ubuntu boots up fine. |
| 16:47.15 | pupnik | Jaffa: i don't understand the no-name folders at the top of your screenshot |
| 16:47.18 | Jiten | in or out of vmware? |
| 16:47.31 | unique311 | in |
| 16:49.24 | Jiten | then the second boot in vmware gives the error? |
| 16:49.32 | Jaffa | pupnik: first is "." - current directory, second is ".." - parent directory. The first shouldn't appear, the second should have a better label. |
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| 16:49.59 | unique311 | yes..after i shut down vmware and restart it. |
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| 16:53.10 | unique311 | think i just need to stop being lazy, and copy the dvd iso to a disk, and install it... |
| 16:53.15 | Jiten | isn't it simple to reproduce the message so you can give more accurate information? |
| 16:54.06 | Jiten | I used usb-stick for my last install :) |
| 16:54.19 | Jiten | it required a bit of tweaking to get it to boot the installer though |
| 16:54.28 | Jiten | more than it would take to just burn the dvd |
| 16:55.30 | unique311 | pastebin.ca/745714 |
| 16:57.11 | Jiten | oh, vmware error |
| 16:57.25 | unique311 | yes |
| 16:57.38 | Jiten | it already tells there what you need to do to fix it |
| 16:57.54 | unique311 | hmmm |
| 16:58.01 | unique311 | and i did. |
| 16:58.42 | Jiten | it didn't fix it then? |
| 16:58.46 | unique311 | no |
| 16:58.56 | unique311 | just complain about the disk already existing... |
| 16:59.03 | Jaffa | `ls -a' |
| 16:59.07 | Jiten | sounds like bug in vmware then |
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| 16:59.18 | Jaffa | Suffice to say, the mediaserv README lists the '..' as a bug ;) |
| 16:59.18 | unique311 | no.. |
| 16:59.48 | Jiten | you did remove the disk before trying to add? right? |
| 16:59.56 | unique311 | yes |
| 17:00.45 | Jiten | well, then I'm out of ideas. |
| 17:01.01 | unique311 | i know i partition the disk in vmware...for the ubuntu install.. |
| 17:01.15 | unique311 | but in windows..its still showing up as fat16.. |
| 17:01.46 | unique311 | so i'm guessing the install i did was not actually to the physical partition. |
| 17:01.57 | Jiten | that also sounds a bit fishy. do you use the partition as a virtual disk or as a partition in a virtual disk? |
| 17:01.58 | unique311 | but a virtual install. |
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| 17:02.41 | unique311 | see now thats confusing.. |
| 17:02.55 | Jiten | it's an important distinction :) |
| 17:03.00 | unique311 | i wanted to do a native install to a partition. |
| 17:03.19 | Jiten | if you don't use the latter option, you can't do what you want. |
| 17:03.45 | unique311 | i think the second option is what went down.. |
| 17:03.52 | Jiten | I'm not actually even sure if vmware supports that option |
| 17:03.56 | unique311 | but was not what i was trying to accomplish. |
| 17:04.02 | unique311 | it does.. |
| 17:04.15 | unique311 | i've done osx86 installs that way.. |
| 17:04.42 | unique311 | where after shutting down the computer..osx was available as an operating system. |
| 17:04.53 | Jiten | anyway, if you've done the install that way, if you can manage to get the boot process going, it should work with native boot |
| 17:05.48 | Jiten | since vmware complains about partition table being changed, it's likely the install actually modified it. |
| 17:06.16 | Jiten | which might mean bootloader got installed too |
| 17:06.29 | Jiten | you tried booting since the attempt? |
| 17:06.39 | unique311 | yes.. |
| 17:06.51 | unique311 | boots into windows. |
| 17:07.17 | unique311 | think i know where i went wrong.. |
| 17:07.35 | Jiten | well, if it was my system, I'd just put an old linux live-cd on the drive, boot up, go install bootloader manually and be done with it. |
| 17:07.58 | unique311 | going to give it one more go...before i take the regular route. |
| 17:08.21 | Jiten | that vmware way is rather tricky since you need to be careful of so many things. |
| 17:08.41 | unique311 | I know. |
| 17:09.25 | unique311 | thanks for the help... |
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| 17:10.47 | Andy80 | a little question... |
| 17:11.22 | Andy80 | I'm trying to flash my N770 with Os2007 hacker edition. I run from root: ./flasher-2.0 -F SU-18_2007HACKER_4.2007.36-2_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin -f |
| 17:11.42 | Andy80 | having the n770 usb cable attached... it says: Suitable USB device not found, waiting |
| 17:11.49 | Andy80 | then, I power up the N770 |
| 17:12.04 | Andy80 | but it boots normally, without flashing anything... |
| 17:12.06 | Andy80 | any ideas? |
| 17:12.13 | timely_changelog | try holding home |
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| 17:13.09 | Disconnect | Andy80: pull out the memory card |
| 17:13.22 | Andy80 | Disconnect: ok |
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| 17:15.06 | Disconnect | (and hold home, but sometimes just pulling the card is enough) |
| 17:15.53 | Andy80 | oh I didn't press the home button! |
| 17:15.54 | Andy80 | sorry :( |
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| 17:17.35 | Disconnect | not always necessary, if it sees the flasher it'll go USB-mode automatically |
| 17:18.03 | Andy80 | keeped the Home button... I attached the power cable and the usb icon was showed in the display |
| 17:18.15 | Andy80 | it's still on.... |
| 17:18.24 | Andy80 | I see the Nokia logo and the USB icon... |
| 17:18.35 | Andy80 | but in the linux shell nothing happens |
| 17:19.20 | Andy80 | damn... it's locked :S |
| 17:19.32 | Andy80 | nothing happens even if I keep the power button pressed |
| 17:19.37 | Andy80 | I remove the battery... |
| 17:20.03 | Tak | are you directly connected? (e.g. no usb hub?) |
| 17:20.39 | Andy80 | directly |
| 17:20.46 | Andy80 | like last time I upgraded the Os 2006 |
| 17:21.11 | Andy80 | I've started the procedure from begin... I'm following these instructions: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithlinux/ |
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| 17:23.59 | Tak | hmm - is flasher-3.0 not required for 2007HE ? |
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| 17:25.02 | Andy80 | should I try with flasher-3 ? |
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| 17:27.18 | Andy80 | (it's flashing with 3.0 :) ) |
| 17:28.38 | inz | Older flashers don't detect newer software versions |
| 17:28.48 | Andy80 | finished flashing... it's rebooting I suppose.... |
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| 17:34.41 | Andy80 | I'm going to eat now, I'll try it later |
| 17:34.45 | Andy80 | thanks again :) |
| 17:35.39 | Tak | Andy80: killer |
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| 17:36.40 | lopz | hi |
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| 18:10.29 | Andy80 | once installed the os2007 HE, do I have to refer to N800 repository to install additional software? |
| 18:11.40 | Tak | a good deal of mistral software will still work on 2007HE, but I have good luck with the bora repos for the most part |
| 18:13.26 | Tak | meh - what's the voodoo for building an architecture-independent package? |
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| 18:14.45 | mgedmin | debian/control has architecture: all, iirc |
| 18:15.40 | Tak | hmm, it keeps building an armel package |
| 18:15.47 | Tak | oh, duh |
| 18:15.57 | Tak | I was trying to specify the arch on the source package |
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| 18:19.50 | Andy80 | Tak: there is also SkypeUI in the repository :) what happens if I install it? does it work? |
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| 18:24.43 | Tak | I suspect not |
| 18:25.51 | ||cw | is the software you are trying to build a package for a binary or just scripts? |
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| 18:26.11 | Tak | scripts |
| 18:26.12 | _Monkey | scripts is missing |
| 18:26.27 | Tak | works now; I just added the architecture line to the wrong section like an idiot |
| 18:26.31 | ||cw | _Monkey: forget scripts |
| 18:26.31 | _Monkey | ||cw: I forgot scripts |
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| 18:35.44 | milhouse | scripts is <reply> |
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| 18:37.43 | Andy80 | Tak: I'm able to install it, and I'm able to start it... but it crashes after 4-5 seconds :( |
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| 18:39.09 | mgedmin | what is <reply>? |
| 18:39.26 | mgedmin | a marker to tell the bot to ignore utterances of the form "foo is bar"? |
| 18:39.40 | milhouse | yep |
| 18:39.42 | milhouse | scripts? |
| 18:39.51 | milhouse | see - no answer from the monkey :) |
| 18:41.17 | milhouse | infobot guide? |
| 18:41.17 | infobot | guide is probably at http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~infobot/infobot_guide.html |
| 18:41.17 | _Monkey | somebody said infobot guide was http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~infobot/infobot_guide.html |
| 18:41.18 | _Monkey | i already had it that way, infobot. |
| 18:41.32 | milhouse | battle of the bots... |
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| 18:41.50 | milhouse | read the guide to see how to teach the bot |
| 18:42.07 | celesteh | _Monkey, smack the infobot! |
| 18:42.08 | _Monkey | celesteh: sorry... |
| 18:42.18 | celesteh | pacifist! |
| 18:42.26 | Tak | _Monkey is much more annoying than infobot |
| 18:42.34 | celesteh | also more amusing |
| 18:42.52 | milhouse | _monkey good bot |
| 18:42.53 | _Monkey | :) |
| 18:42.58 | celesteh | haha |
| 18:43.10 | milhouse | _monkey++ |
| 18:43.19 | milhouse | aha can't self karma |
| 18:43.30 | celesteh | I heard that _monkey was the smartest programmer on IRC |
| 18:43.32 | milhouse | karma _monkey |
| 18:43.33 | _Monkey | _monkey has karma of 2 |
| 18:43.38 | milhouse | or maybe it can... |
| 18:43.41 | milhouse | _monkey++ |
| 18:43.43 | milhouse | karma _monkey |
| 18:43.44 | _Monkey | _monkey has karma of 3 |
| 18:43.46 | milhouse | indeed so |
| 18:43.56 | celesteh | karma me |
| 18:43.56 | _Monkey | celesteh has neutral karma |
| 18:44.06 | celesteh | me++ |
| 18:44.07 | milhouse | celeteh-- |
| 18:44.11 | celesteh | alas |
| 18:44.11 | milhouse | bugger |
| 18:44.24 | milhouse | celesteh-- |
| 18:44.25 | milhouse | :) |
| 18:44.28 | celesteh | me++ |
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| 18:44.31 | celesteh | karma me |
| 18:44.32 | _Monkey | celesteh has karma of -1 |
| 18:44.36 | celesteh | man |
| 18:44.38 | milhouse | haha |
| 18:44.49 | milhouse | karma me |
| 18:44.49 | _Monkey | milhouse has karma of 4 |
| 18:44.52 | milhouse | ooh nice |
| 18:45.02 | celesteh | does this mean next time I log in, I'll have a worse nick? |
| 18:45.03 | milhouse | celesteh++ |
| 18:45.11 | milhouse | shouldn't do |
| 18:45.15 | milhouse | nothing to do with irc |
| 18:45.20 | milhouse | or your login |
| 18:45.37 | celesteh | i come back as housefly_celesteh |
| 18:46.01 | milhouse | nickometer celesteh |
| 18:46.02 | _Monkey | 'celesteh' is 0% lame, milhouse |
| 18:46.26 | milhouse | nickometer l33tn1ck |
| 18:46.26 | _Monkey | 'l33tn1ck' is 99.76% lame, milhouse |
| 18:46.58 | milhouse | nickometer sp3000 |
| 18:46.58 | _Monkey | 'sp3000' is 73% lame, milhouse |
| 18:47.03 | milhouse | nice try thouygh! ;) |
| 18:47.03 | sp3000 | ftw! |
| 18:47.16 | milhouse | s/thouygh/though/ |
| 18:47.31 | sp3000 | and here I was expecting something in the low forties |
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| 18:53.33 | akai--- | hi |
| 18:53.34 | _Monkey | salut, akai--- |
| 18:53.58 | milhouse | karma akai--- |
| 18:53.58 | _Monkey | akai--- has neutral karma |
| 18:54.02 | milhouse | akai---++ |
| 18:54.04 | milhouse | karma akai--- |
| 18:54.04 | _Monkey | akai--- has neutral karma |
| 18:54.19 | akai--- | do you know of any other themes for kagu than the default one |
| 18:54.23 | akai--- | I mean the orange one? |
| 18:54.33 | milhouse | nickometer akai--- |
| 18:54.33 | _Monkey | 'akai---' is 97.05% lame, milhouse |
| 18:54.37 | milhouse | hehe :) |
| 18:55.21 | milhouse | i think i read something about the original theme returning at some stage |
| 18:55.40 | Tak | I think they're planning to make the theme selectable |
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| 19:06.40 | Andy80 | I tried to use the "seatbelt" for N770, but I cannot open the archive: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/seatbelt |
| 19:06.47 | Andy80 | anyone that knows how to install it? |
| 19:07.03 | Andy80 | it's a tar.gz but my system says that it's not a tar.gz :S |
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| 19:07.35 | milhouse | corrupt download? |
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| 19:08.34 | alterego | D00dz! |
| 19:08.47 | alterego | I meant hi :) |
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| 19:09.52 | Andy80 | milhouse: can you try it? |
| 19:10.01 | Andy80 | I tried to download it 3-4 times |
| 19:10.03 | milhouse | yep give me two ticks |
| 19:10.11 | Andy80 | thanks :) |
| 19:11.50 | alterego | Anyone know if Nokia handset terminals still use the AT+ command set? |
| 19:12.27 | shapr | Has anyone gotten A2DP working on a desktop machine? |
| 19:12.31 | milhouse | grrrr.... why do garage downloads have to be in https? it means wget is useless |
| 19:12.36 | shapr | It's makin me crazee! |
| 19:12.48 | alterego | milhouse, have you tried without https? |
| 19:12.56 | *** part/#maemo akai--- (n=akai@unaffiliated/vailie) |
| 19:12.57 | alterego | I.E. changing the URL to http. |
| 19:13.14 | milhouse | alterego: http doesn't work, it forwards to https |
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| 19:13.20 | kpel | hi guys |
| 19:13.25 | alterego | Ah, |
| 19:13.55 | alterego | Yeah, the HTTPS is annoying in a few circumstances. Especially when the browsre throws certification errors. |
| 19:14.02 | milhouse | just downloaded it to my pc, about to filezilla/ssh it over to the 770 and filezilla wants to update itself - a few moments longer... |
| 19:14.03 | Andy80 | milhouse: I was able to doenload it, after 5-6 times! :S |
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| 19:16.00 | Jiten | does someone have some sort of numbers on how n800's processor's performance compares to, for example 2GHz athlon64? |
| 19:16.24 | alterego | Jiten, that would be very silly. |
| 19:16.35 | milhouse | hmmm... getting "invalid tar magic" here |
| 19:16.38 | Jiten | I'm profiling my code |
| 19:16.44 | alterego | Starters, X86 processors have a floating point accelerator |
| 19:17.03 | alterego | The OMAP's used in the IT's don't. |
| 19:17.16 | Jiten | right, so if I want meaningful profiling, I have to do it on n800 |
| 19:17.29 | alterego | That would be the best way IMO/ |
| 19:17.46 | milhouse | alterego: winrar doesn't like it either, says it's corrupt. will try downloading again... |
| 19:17.46 | Andy80 | milhouse: I know... same error as me... I had to download it again for 5-6 times before getting a working one |
| 19:18.13 | alterego | That's not good .. |
| 19:18.39 | Jiten | at least on my desktop computer, it seems html rendering is not the biggest cpu power user. |
| 19:19.39 | Jiten | it looks like my problems aren't badly performing html decoder. It really doesn't get called enough to make a dent in the numbers |
| 19:19.44 | milhouse | alterego: i keep getting the same 601 byte file |
| 19:20.09 | Jiten | the core logic of this python application (code I haven't really even taken a look at) is responsible. |
| 19:20.10 | alterego | milhouse, that kind of sounds like a divert. What are you downloading? Could you please link me to it,. |
| 19:20.29 | milhouse | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=369&release_id=932 |
| 19:20.48 | milhouse | it says 571 bytes, i download 601... |
| 19:20.53 | alterego | Yeah, HTML rendering, even if it's not particularly efficient shouldn't take much of the users' time. |
| 19:20.58 | milhouse | (using firefox 2 on windas) |
| 19:21.17 | Andy80 | what is the default password for root in Os2007 HE? I've enabled red pill mode, installed becomeroot, and I can become root with "sudo becomeroot" but how can I ssh into it? |
| 19:21.23 | alterego | milhouse, it's a source code tarball. |
| 19:21.30 | Tak | Andy80: rootme |
| 19:21.31 | _Monkey | rootme is the default pw? |
| 19:21.38 | alterego | Unless you've got something that will open .tar.gz files you might be having issues with that, |
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| 19:21.51 | alterego | The size is about right. It's only ~600B |
| 19:22.21 | milhouse | ssh should be available in extra, installable via the app manager (no need for xterm/red pill mode etc.) - install openssh-server |
| 19:22.28 | milhouse | s/extra/extras |
| 19:22.34 | bmidgley | 2007he won't unmount card... lsof shows "metalayer" has a bunch of maemo-mapper files open |
| 19:22.38 | bmidgley | even after a reboot... |
| 19:23.00 | milhouse | corrupt file making metalayer-crawler go nuts? |
| 19:23.01 | Tak | is this a reboot while plugged in? |
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| 19:23.15 | alterego | Bad idea .. :) |
| 19:23.17 | Andy80 | _Monkey: yes |
| 19:23.18 | _Monkey | Andy80: what? |
| 19:23.25 | Andy80 | just tried and changed :) |
| 19:23.46 | milhouse | alterego: looks like either garage is fcked, or the author of seatbelt didn't bother to test his uploaded package... :) |
| 19:24.38 | alterego | Garage seems to be fine. |
| 19:24.49 | alterego | milhouse, what are you opening the archive with? |
| 19:24.52 | milhouse | alterego: i've tried tar tvzf - no joy, and winrar (which normally has no problems with compressed tar balls) chokes on it too |
| 19:25.06 | alterego | Eek |
| 19:25.13 | bmidgley | I rebooted it with no cables |
| 19:25.21 | milhouse | that's tar on the 770 - actually that's busybox tar. let me try gnu tar. |
| 19:25.24 | bmidgley | things were fine for a minute... i could open the latch |
| 19:25.36 | bmidgley | but after closing it, metalayer seems to be wedged again |
| 19:26.02 | milhouse | pastebin? |
| 19:26.03 | _Monkey | somebody said pastebin was http://maemo.pastebin.org |
| 19:26.09 | milhouse | _monkey thanks |
| 19:26.09 | _Monkey | milhouse: sure thing |
| 19:26.10 | alterego | milhouse, works fine for me :/ |
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| 19:27.56 | bmidgley | maybe I'll just reformat the rsmmc card under ubuntu... hopefully it's not difficult to figure out the optimal vfat settings for 2gb |
| 19:28.07 | milhouse | alterego: http://maemo.pastebin.org/5628 |
| 19:29.24 | alterego | milhouse, busybox tar doesn't understand the z flag. |
| 19:29.30 | alterego | gunzip it first. |
| 19:29.33 | alterego | Then untar it |
| 19:29.34 | milhouse | that was with gnu tar |
| 19:30.02 | alterego | Wierd |
| 19:30.27 | milhouse | and busybox does understand z - just becareful where you put it :) |
| 19:31.02 | alterego | milhouse, try that. |
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| 19:31.36 | Jiten | ok, python cPickle is easy but surprisingly slow. the program only unpickles on initialise once and then pickles on shutdown. unpickle was 6100ms and pickle was 5300ms |
| 19:31.49 | alterego | Heh |
| 19:31.56 | Jiten | that explains the startup and shutdown times |
| 19:32.14 | Jiten | pickle is the standard way in python to save data structures |
| 19:32.25 | alterego | Ah, serialization? |
| 19:32.30 | Jiten | yes |
| 19:32.38 | alterego | :) |
| 19:32.49 | alterego | How big is the data? |
| 19:32.50 | milhouse | alterego - that proves dcc works :) |
| 19:32.53 | Jiten | lets see |
| 19:33.06 | alterego | milhouse, yeah, I wasn't sure it'd burst through my firewall ;) |
| 19:33.12 | Jiten | the pickled file is 767kb |
| 19:33.21 | alterego | That's pretty big. |
| 19:33.50 | Jiten | well exported to xml the data is still 702kb |
| 19:34.19 | alterego | Depending on the nature of the program .. Could you not load incrementally? I.E. having several state files and loading them at different points in startup? |
| 19:34.27 | alterego | Also maybe you could do some threading? |
| 19:34.44 | Jiten | I haven't looked at how the internal logic works yet |
| 19:34.49 | Jiten | I've only reimplemented the interface |
| 19:35.16 | Jiten | there certainly is no need to keep all that data in memory |
| 19:35.21 | alterego | Ah, well I'd imagine the serialization method doesn't compress. So it's no suprise that the XML representation is around the same size. |
| 19:36.19 | Jiten | bzip2 made the xml file 58kb and the pickled one 101kb |
| 19:36.55 | alterego | Ah, that's indicative of what may be happening. |
| 19:36.57 | bmidgley | are the mkfs.vfat defaults reasonable for a 2gb card? I see opts for logical-sector & fat sizes |
| 19:37.09 | alterego | pickle might be serializing in a psuedo binary format. |
| 19:37.26 | alterego | Obviously I don't know off hand :) |
| 19:37.40 | Jiten | it's ascii armored at least, I think |
| 19:37.42 | alterego | bmidgley, just use the defaults ;) |
| 19:38.00 | bmidgley | ok here goes |
| 19:38.05 | alterego | :) |
| 19:38.14 | alterego | Hmm |
| 19:38.30 | alterego | It's been 2 years since I used Python. |
| 19:38.46 | Jiten | wow, both formats are incredibly wasteful. The most important stuff exports into 115kb textfile :) |
| 19:38.50 | alterego | You can guess why I stopped ;) |
| 19:39.24 | alterego | Well, depending on the complexity of the data-structure/s and the amount of _real_ data. That's not suprising. |
| 19:39.46 | Jiten | though, this version does waste some of the data. |
| 19:39.56 | alterego | Generally with serialization the wasteful parts are the saving of the actual structure of data and not the acutal data itself :) |
| 19:41.10 | Tak | alterego: have an opinion on the best place to host xchat-ruby? I don't think I want to open another garage project just for that... |
| 19:41.27 | Jiten | ok, then return sum(1 for i in items if i.is_due_for_acquisition_rep()) |
| 19:41.47 | alterego | Tak, well you're welcome to space on maemo.rubyx.co.uk |
| 19:41.57 | alterego | SVN and all. |
| 19:42.05 | alterego | Tell me what you need and I'll sort it out. |
| 19:42.08 | Jiten | this sort of construct is worth for 4 seconds for it's own code and another 4 in the function it calls. |
| 19:42.25 | Jiten | this looks prime candidate for some optimization |
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| 19:42.35 | Jiten | ~80k calls to that one :) |
| 19:43.04 | Tak | alterego: what are you planning to do repowise? garage extras? |
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| 19:43.23 | alterego | Tak, I was thinking of doing a ruby debian repository. |
| 19:43.31 | Tak | :-/ |
| 19:43.51 | alterego | Well it's up to you how you distribute your packages :P |
| 19:44.30 | alterego | To be honest, I don't have much experience with debian repositories or package management. Everything I know I've learned over the past few months since I started ruby-maemo |
| 19:45.37 | alterego | I was hoping on serving everything up with one-click installers. |
| 19:45.52 | alterego | (I don't know how those .install files work yet though) :) |
| 19:46.03 | bmidgley | where do you draw the line between deb repositories and gem repositories? |
| 19:46.13 | alterego | I don't |
| 19:46.17 | Jaffa | Best option for that is garage extras, especially since a) they're autogenerated for you there, b) it's available in the standard OS 2008 build |
| 19:46.17 | alterego | maemo can't do gems. |
| 19:46.29 | Jaffa | Let's resist any more repo proliferation |
| 19:47.00 | bmidgley | no rails devel on maemo then :) |
| 19:47.13 | alterego | I've tried using rubygems on the IT's and it is so slow you might aswell walk to the nearest repository and write down copy the file manually .. With a paper and pencile. |
| 19:47.13 | Tak | I'm with Jaffa |
| 19:47.28 | alterego | bmidgley, well, yes,. |
| 19:47.30 | alterego | If you want to. |
| 19:47.40 | alterego | Just don't use gems on the device. |
| 19:48.22 | alterego | It's slow on desktop, it's pretty much a standstill on an embedded device like the IT's :) |
| 19:48.29 | Tak | alterego: any particular reason you don't want to use the garage extras repo? |
| 19:48.40 | alterego | Tak, no, not at all :) |
| 19:48.57 | alterego | I have to have a hosted project though? |
| 19:49.16 | Tak | No. |
| 19:49.47 | Jaffa | Not at all ;) |
| 19:49.48 | alterego | Well, that's settled then :) I got denied when I applied for a ruby-maemo project space. So I just did everything on my own server. |
| 19:50.04 | Tak | wtf, you got denied? why on earth? |
| 19:50.17 | alterego | Because of a previous ruby "port". |
| 19:50.30 | Tak | hm. |
| 19:50.31 | alterego | Which was just a cross-compilation from 2006 or something. |
| 19:50.55 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 19:51.17 | alterego | It's kind of sad really. |
| 19:51.30 | GeneralAntilles | You should write a letter. ;) |
| 19:51.30 | Jaffa | _Monkey: extras upload? |
| 19:51.31 | _Monkey | jaffa: i haven't a clue |
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| 19:51.38 | Jaffa | _Monkey: extras upload is http://maemo.org/community/application-catalog/extras_repository.html |
| 19:51.39 | _Monkey | OK, Jaffa. |
| 19:51.41 | alterego | Like the Google SoC project for some kind of ruby/maemo project that never happened. |
| 19:51.51 | bmidgley | alterego take over the old project |
| 19:52.03 | alterego | bmidgley, yeah. I'll look into that :) |
| 19:52.29 | bmidgley | you could ask the old maintainer |
| 19:52.33 | alterego | I'll e-mail the "maintainer" and see what he wants to do :) |
| 19:52.42 | alterego | :) |
| 19:53.26 | Tak | which is it, https://garage.maemo.org/projects/ruby185/ ? |
| 19:53.57 | alterego | I'd really like to start a ruby-maemo community. Making some kind of development platform with examples on good ways to create small/medium/large maemo apps in ruby. Tutorials on certain aspects of the platform. A wiki for people to comment on improvements and write howtos and stuff. |
| 19:54.38 | alterego | I don't mind doing everything myself. I'd just like it to become bigger than me :) |
| 19:55.10 | bmidgley | I go to a ruby usergroup and I'd like to show off maemo but python seems to be the preferred lang |
| 19:55.27 | alterego | It's only prefered because my ruby bindings aren't really as mature. |
| 19:56.05 | alterego | I will be releasing 1.1 on Friday. It will include libxml, libsdl, sqlite3, hildon and libosso. |
| 19:56.28 | GeneralAntilles | Sounds like I should learn Ruby. |
| 19:56.38 | Tak | I would contribute to a ruby-maemo community offering |
| 19:56.45 | alterego | :) |
| 19:57.21 | bmidgley | alterego: tutorials? |
| 19:57.37 | alterego | So far I have almost completed the API documentation. |
| 19:57.46 | alterego | I have examples but not tutorials or howto's. |
| 19:57.51 | konttori | one reason why python is good option is that it will be included on the device by default in the future versions (after diablo) |
| 19:57.55 | alterego | Those will be my next task :) |
| 19:58.10 | bmidgley | nice |
| 19:58.20 | konttori | not dissing ruby in any way |
| 19:58.36 | alterego | konttori, it's okay. Python is standard in debian anyhow ;) |
| 19:58.54 | alterego | Seriously, I like Python. I just found Ruby to be nicer. |
| 19:59.07 | bmidgley | I write ruby all the time for web stuff but I rarely touch python... |
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| 19:59.32 | alterego | Well, like I said earlier. I've not used Python in almost 2 years. (since I started Ruby actually ;) |
| 19:59.33 | konttori | yeah. both are pretty good, but ruby shines for web development |
| 19:59.48 | alterego | Rails shines for web development. There is still a distinction. |
| 19:59.56 | konttori | I'll rephrase. Both are excellent. |
| 20:00.08 | konttori | true |
| 20:00.25 | alterego | Also, Rails is great because of the man that dedicated all that time to it. And the community of developers that followed. |
| 20:00.29 | Jiten | alterego: what do you think are the most noticeable things that ruby does better than python? |
| 20:00.45 | konttori | rails? ;) |
| 20:00.49 | alterego | Jiten, iterators, closures, lambda expressions. |
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| 20:01.11 | alterego | Introspection/reflection and meta-programming |
| 20:01.16 | Jiten | iterators? |
| 20:01.16 | _Monkey | iterators are optimized to do iterations over sequences or any objects |
| 20:01.24 | alterego | :) |
| 20:01.33 | Jiten | yes, I knew that much. |
| 20:01.58 | alterego | Take this: (0..100).to_a.each {|e| puts e} |
| 20:02.16 | Jiten | what does that do? |
| 20:02.43 | alterego | That defines a range, that gets converted to an array. Then the result is iterated over outputing each element of the array (range 0..100) |
| 20:03.06 | Tak | yes, much less clunky than in python |
| 20:03.18 | alterego | You could actually do: (0..100).each {|i| puts i} |
| 20:03.39 | alterego | Because a range is iteratable. |
| 20:03.45 | alterego | If that's a real word :) |
| 20:03.55 | Jiten | for i in range(100): print i |
| 20:04.05 | Jiten | this does the same in python if I understood correctly |
| 20:04.51 | alterego | Ruby has this nice thing. If you create a class and define an 'each' method. Then you can import a "mixin" which is like an interface which will allow you to use a load of functions like 'map' (lispish) 'select', 'reject' .... |
| 20:05.26 | alterego | There are loads of enumerable methods. And all you need to do is define a single 'each' method :) |
| 20:05.49 | Jiten | I've been toying with haskell so functional constructs are somewhat familiar |
| 20:05.56 | alterego | Haskell is nice. |
| 20:06.13 | alterego | I've yet to find a place for it in my projects though. |
| 20:06.34 | alterego | I spend too much time thinking about design and not code with Haskell. |
| 20:06.48 | alterego | Ruby really just gets out of your way and allows you to code in a very agile manner. |
| 20:07.12 | Jiten | I do a lot of thinking about the design anyway so haskell didn't really slow me down. |
| 20:07.18 | alterego | :) |
| 20:07.28 | Jiten | I like clean code |
| 20:07.33 | alterego | Oh, me too. |
| 20:07.37 | alterego | I'm a perfectionist. |
| 20:07.53 | alterego | But ruby allows me to be pragmatic without that dirty feeling you get when you normally prototype ;) |
| 20:08.29 | alterego | Since I've been using Ruby, I don't follow my old rewrite 3 times rule :) |
| 20:08.31 | Mikho | I have a vague recollection of having huge problems with ruby unicode support |
| 20:08.36 | Jiten | haskell, in a way, is pure lambda expressions everywhere :) |
| 20:08.41 | alterego | I just refactor, it's refreshing. |
| 20:09.22 | alterego | Mikho, yeah. That used to be a problem. Not anymore. In fact Ruby in ruby-maemo is set to UTF-8 by default so you don't have to worry about it ;) |
| 20:09.35 | Jiten | yes, I also refactor if I notice I could've done something differently |
| 20:09.39 | Jiten | I just don't have to do it often |
| 20:10.18 | Mikho | but UTF-8 causes me problems with scandinavian letters... |
| 20:10.23 | alterego | Well, Haskell and also LISP promote very good coding standards. DRY it's very prominent in Ruby to. |
| 20:10.30 | shapr | mmmm Haskell |
| 20:10.41 | shapr | I get paid to write Haskell! It's my day job! |
| 20:10.48 | alterego | If I was to familiarize Ruby with other languages. I'd say Ruby is a Perl/Python/Lisp/Smalltalk hybrid :) |
| 20:11.03 | alterego | shapr, you're an exceptionally lucky guy :) |
| 20:11.05 | alterego | Or girl ;) |
| 20:11.09 | Jiten | shapr: got any work to share? |
| 20:11.17 | shapr | I think Ruby's OO model is a bit better than Python's, but I prefer significant whitespace. |
| 20:11.29 | alterego | Syntax isn't worth worrying about. |
| 20:11.37 | shapr | It's important to me. |
| 20:11.42 | alterego | But you're right. Ruby is purely OO, where as Python isn't. |
| 20:11.55 | Mikho | personally I hate the python "pass" command |
| 20:11.57 | shapr | Jiten: Done any open source Haskell work? |
| 20:12.01 | alterego | Ruby is OO in the smalltalk sense :) |
| 20:12.24 | Jiten | shapr: just a small try when I was trying to get my head around the thinking pattern |
| 20:12.26 | shapr | From a Haskell perspective, Ruby does not do anonymous funtions well. |
| 20:12.41 | alterego | shapr, in what manner? |
| 20:12.46 | alterego | I think it does them well. |
| 20:12.49 | shapr | Jiten: If you get a good track record in the Haskell community, you can probably get a job without too much trouble. |
| 20:12.54 | alterego | Python barely does them at all :D |
| 20:13.08 | shapr | Yeah, Python's lambda is for one line functions only. |
| 20:13.25 | Jiten | http://jkaartinen.dyndns.org/~blight/simulaatio.hs my first try at doing something with haskell |
| 20:13.39 | shapr | Jiten: I've been interviewed by three Haskell companies, and had two others try to recruit me via email. |
| 20:14.11 | alterego | shapr, so what's wrong with Ruby's "blocks" ? |
| 20:14.32 | alterego | They're closures and everything ^_^ |
| 20:15.19 | shapr | I had some serious problem with them last time I looked, but I don't remember what it was. Maybe I couldn't pass in parameters easily? |
| 20:15.43 | shapr | I'll see if I can figure it out in a bit. |
| 20:15.52 | alterego | shapr, I think maybe you were doing something that was beyond your knowledge of Ruby. |
| 20:15.58 | shapr | Jiten: It does look like you have definite clue in Haskell. |
| 20:15.59 | alterego | No offense, sorry :) |
| 20:16.09 | shapr | alterego: I don't think so, I was just trying to make an anonymous function. |
| 20:16.20 | shapr | alterego: No offense taken, I like to learn new stuff. |
| 20:16.21 | alterego | shapr, in what way anonymous? |
| 20:16.32 | Jiten | shapr: that did take me 2 days though. |
| 20:16.42 | Jiten | well, few hours each day |
| 20:17.32 | shapr | Jiten: If you contribute to some of the open source Haskell projects, I think you could get a job. |
| 20:17.33 | Jiten | haskell is the first functional language I've even tried. |
| 20:17.34 | alterego | Ickle example: p = lambda {|*args| args.each {|a| puts a}} |
| 20:18.01 | alterego | You can then do p.call("what", "ever", "you", "like", 1, 2, 3, 4) |
| 20:18.37 | alterego | Unfortunately I can't count higher than 4 |
| 20:19.45 | Jiten | shapr: that's the only thing I have to show at the moment though. I need to finish the book too. I've only read half of it so far. |
| 20:20.54 | shapr | Jiten: You could hang out on #haskell, you might like it :-) |
| 20:21.23 | alterego | Are they friendlier than the #lisp folks ? :) |
| 20:21.28 | shapr | alterego: I admit, that sure looks like the real deal, and I'm drawing a blank on what I was missing before. |
| 20:21.33 | shapr | alterego: Very much so |
| 20:21.44 | alterego | That's good. |
| 20:21.52 | Jiten | shapr: that's damn big channel. |
| 20:21.55 | alterego | I can't stand arrogant programmers. |
| 20:22.01 | alterego | I'm crap, I'll admit it :) |
| 20:22.07 | shapr | alterego: First of all, I started #haskell 6.25 years ago, so if they're not nice, I'll kick ass and take bans.... |
| 20:22.20 | alterego | Nice :) |
| 20:22.46 | alterego | I'd love to get into Haskell more. But I love Ruby. |
| 20:23.11 | alterego | I'm not sure where I'd put Haskell on my shelf. So far I only really need C and Ruby. |
| 20:23.29 | shapr | alterego: Drop by #haskell when you have time, both the channel and the language are fun. |
| 20:23.36 | alterego | Well, besides Awk, Sed and Sh :) |
| 20:24.02 | kpel | haskell is fun. "everything is a list" :P |
| 20:24.12 | alterego | Every now-and-again I find myself missing Scheme. I was thinking of doing a scheme port to maemo. |
| 20:24.14 | shapr | kpel: I'd argue that everything is a function. |
| 20:24.20 | alterego | Maybe over Christmas I'll do that ;) |
| 20:24.25 | alterego | scheme-maemo ^_^ |
| 20:24.28 | shapr | Yeah, a good scheme interpreter on maemo would be nifty. |
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| 20:25.01 | kpel | shapr: i agree, one of my lecturers at uni didn't :) |
| 20:25.20 | alterego | I dunno, I have too much time on my hands. Maybe I should try and get a "real" job ^_^ |
| 20:25.35 | derf | Why on earth would you want one of those? |
| 20:25.38 | alterego | :) |
| 20:25.44 | shapr | kpel: I think that misconception comes from the fact that strings are lists of characters. |
| 20:25.55 | alterego | What is a "real job" anyway. |
| 20:26.11 | shapr | kpel: But I've never had any CS courses, so I'm not sure. |
| 20:26.21 | shapr | So after programming for twenty five years, I'm actually going to start a CS degree. |
| 20:26.29 | alterego | Hah |
| 20:26.45 | alterego | shapr, I'd imagine with 25 years of experience you should know what you're talking about by now ;) |
| 20:27.08 | shapr | In some small areas, yeah... |
| 20:27.27 | alterego | Well, a string is conceptually a list of characters. But what's a character? |
| 20:27.28 | Tak | god damn it |
| 20:27.29 | shapr | Hopefully I won't catch foot in mouth disease. |
| 20:27.43 | kpel | shadov: the strings are lists as you said, the keyboard "could be seen as an infinite list" blah, blah, blah |
| 20:27.44 | shapr | alterego: Good question. I think there's not an especially good answer. |
| 20:27.59 | derf | A list of charcter-bits! |
| 20:28.00 | shapr | uh oh |
| 20:28.09 | alterego | Well, it depend on the "character encoding" I'd imagine :) |
| 20:28.26 | shapr | alterego: Even in UTF-8 that can be hard to answer. |
| 20:28.35 | alterego | Well, kind of. |
| 20:28.43 | kpel | a character is a digital represenation of a symbol, right? |
| 20:28.48 | alterego | In C it's simple. There's no such thing as a character. |
| 20:29.01 | shapr | kpel: I don't think that's specific enough. |
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| 20:29.14 | mk8 | Hi to all |
| 20:29.21 | alterego | C is okay. |
| 20:29.33 | alterego | Too much head banging for me. |
| 20:29.40 | alterego | (and I like rock music) |
| 20:29.44 | kpel | shapr: by definition characters are not specific enough. they rely on the definition of the symbol. |
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| 20:30.04 | Ar-ras | hi |
| 20:30.05 | _Monkey | hello, Ar-ras |
| 20:30.16 | Tak | yah, I get to reflash |
| 20:30.26 | alterego | Tak, congrats :) |
| 20:30.36 | Tak | meh |
| 20:30.37 | alterego | I'm holding off until 2008 |
| 20:30.53 | Tak | annoying that you can brick the device by doing a simple package upgrade |
| 20:31.00 | alterego | I've not actually flashed the latest image with the SDHC fixes .. |
| 20:31.43 | _Monkey | 2007HE is, like, really great |
| 20:32.08 | Ar-ras | where can i download chinook :D |
| 20:32.14 | alterego | Great .. I'm gonna have to fork out 300 GBP for a smart phone if I want to work on a project I've got planned. |
| 20:34.02 | alterego | Maybe I could snap up my brothers N80 or whatever if he gets an N95 |
| 20:34.25 | gla55 | some cheapo 3rd eds should be cheaper |
| 20:34.34 | alterego | 3rd eds? |
| 20:34.45 | gla55 | s60 3rd edition devices |
| 20:34.50 | gla55 | like n80 and n95 |
| 20:34.51 | alterego | Erm .. Like .. What models? |
| 20:34.58 | alterego | N95 cheap? |
| 20:35.05 | alterego | I thought that was the newest one? |
| 20:35.15 | gla55 | n95-8gb is "top of the line" |
| 20:35.17 | gla55 | but theres cheaper |
| 20:35.20 | alterego | Ah |
| 20:35.22 | gla55 | like e50 etc.. |
| 20:36.00 | alterego | hmm .. Maybe I'll just forget about it until I've got more money. |
| 20:36.06 | gla55 | e65 is like 240£ |
| 20:36.15 | Ar-ras | lol |
| 20:36.25 | Ar-ras | S60 3rd sucks |
| 20:36.38 | alterego | I _really_ don't want to spend more than 100£ on a phone. |
| 20:36.46 | alterego | They're so expensive ex-contract. |
| 20:36.50 | gla55 | 6120 classic uner 200 |
| 20:37.03 | Ar-ras | cant you unlock the prepaid ones? |
| 20:37.14 | alterego | I really needa S60 |
| 20:37.19 | gla55 | i'd check reaaally carefully if you can unlock |
| 20:37.20 | alterego | Something I can hack a bit. |
| 20:37.38 | Ar-ras | alterego forget it |
| 20:37.47 | alterego | :/ |
| 20:37.51 | gla55 | Ar-ras: the alternative being? |
| 20:37.54 | Ar-ras | if you want to hack the BB5 Phones |
| 20:38.00 | Ar-ras | cause |
| 20:38.10 | kpel | speaking of s60 and N95, there is now a web server available for phones! http://www.forum.nokia.com/main/resources/technologies/mobile_web_server/ |
| 20:38.11 | Ar-ras | the firmware is RSA protected / signed |
| 20:38.26 | gla55 | kpel: it's been available for a while, had a different name tho |
| 20:38.28 | Ar-ras | If you want to write software for it it is possible |
| 20:38.32 | alterego | When I say hack, I mean write software for :P |
| 20:38.38 | Ar-ras | ok D |
| 20:38.39 | Ar-ras | :D |
| 20:38.49 | Ar-ras | because i have friends who hack firmware ;) |
| 20:39.08 | alterego | After doing that with Palms I really don't want to mess at that level again ;) |
| 20:39.11 | kpel | gla55: i had no idea, discovered it today and sort of liked it. but it's really slow. perhaps when hsupa is deployed things will get better. |
| 20:39.34 | Ar-ras | alterego with raskal bb5box cheap unlock is possible |
| 20:40.02 | gla55 | kpel: i consider it mostly a toy, i'd rather have the things served from some server and just update the content from the phone |
| 20:40.12 | alterego | It's fun and personally rewarding. It's just you get so annoyed when you can't get certain peripherals working :/ Even something as simple as BT .. When the drivers are OSS O_O |
| 20:40.34 | Ar-ras | alterego |
| 20:40.39 | kpel | gla55: agreed. |
| 20:40.42 | Ar-ras | do you want S60v2 or v3? |
| 20:41.05 | alterego | Ar-ras, it doesn't matter. Just something I can write some software for to play around with some ideas. |
| 20:41.10 | gla55 | v2's can be picked up dirt cheap.. but if you want to hack something others would use too then they're getting old |
| 20:41.20 | alterego | Yeah .. |
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| 20:41.35 | alterego | v2 is 3650 right? |
| 20:41.40 | Ar-ras | v1 |
| 20:41.41 | gla55 | 3650 is 1.2 |
| 20:41.42 | Ar-ras | i think |
| 20:41.44 | alterego | Ah |
| 20:41.49 | Ar-ras | if you want |
| 20:41.54 | gla55 | 7650 is 0.9, after that they went to the edition stupid naming |
| 20:41.57 | shapr | Does anyone know how to pair a bluetooth headset to a debian desktop? |
| 20:42.05 | Ar-ras | then 6280 (v3) or 6680 (v2) |
| 20:42.21 | Ar-ras | but think |
| 20:42.23 | alterego | What's the current version? |
| 20:42.30 | Ar-ras | 9.2 |
| 20:42.44 | alterego | Well, if I was drinking coffee. |
| 20:42.54 | Ar-ras | 9.2 is N95 i think |
| 20:42.54 | gla55 | 9.2 is the currently shipping symbian os version.. |
| 20:42.57 | Jiten | I guess there is no haskell compiler for maemo? |
| 20:42.59 | gla55 | not s60 version |
| 20:43.04 | alterego | Oh. |
| 20:43.11 | alterego | Yeah, that makes sense :) |
| 20:43.20 | gla55 | fp1 is like 3.1 in nokia internal speech sometimes |
| 20:43.26 | suihkulokki | Jiten: ghc6 needs a bit of porting for armel, should not be very hard |
| 20:43.27 | gla55 | which is n95 |
| 20:43.29 | alterego | It makes more sense not to lock to S60 really. |
| 20:43.45 | alterego | So maybe I should aim at something that's Symbian "generic" .. |
| 20:43.47 | gla55 | if you can do the stuff in j2me then it's good news for you.. |
| 20:44.01 | alterego | Possibly. |
| 20:44.01 | gla55 | hah, good luck |
| 20:44.06 | Ar-ras | you must think about devcerts |
| 20:44.18 | alterego | Is there a BT API for J2ME? |
| 20:44.20 | Ar-ras | if you write software for S60 V3 |
| 20:44.23 | gla55 | alterego: yeah |
| 20:44.23 | Ar-ras | yes |
| 20:44.40 | alterego | How standard is it across smartphones? |
| 20:44.47 | Ar-ras | JSR-82 (Bluetooth) |
| 20:44.50 | pupnik | what is it exactly that the Tablets are missing to run java apps? |
| 20:44.52 | alterego | Nice |
| 20:44.56 | gla55 | alterego: unless you need like cellid shit and mess with phone things or do background stuff reliably you can get around with j2me pretty far |
| 20:44.58 | alterego | pupnik, Java |
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| 20:45.15 | alterego | gla55, well. One of my ideas needs cell id ;) |
| 20:45.33 | gla55 | alterego: ouchie. on some motos you can fetch it from a system property |
| 20:45.35 | alterego | Well, to an extent. It doesn't out right rely on it .. |
| 20:45.36 | Ar-ras | do you want to calculate gps position of O2 Germany ? |
| 20:45.45 | gla55 | alterego: there's location apis though |
| 20:45.49 | Jiten | suihkulokki: I've no experience at working with compilers at all. Is that a suitable first project? as in, not too difficult. |
| 20:46.08 | alterego | Yeah, maybe what I want is do-able with J2ME. |
| 20:46.34 | gla55 | that would save you a lot of hair |
| 20:46.37 | alterego | What about FS access? How restricted is that at the moment? Or is it mostly user-auth? |
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| 20:46.53 | gla55 | alterego: there's an api for it |
| 20:47.06 | Ar-ras | for the most things, there is an api |
| 20:47.09 | gla55 | as restricted as from a regularly signed symbian app i suppose |
| 20:47.10 | alterego | :) |
| 20:47.42 | alterego | Well, you guys have been very informative. I'll look into the details when I think more seriously about this endeavour. |
| 20:48.00 | alterego | Oh, what about AT+ command set? |
| 20:48.06 | alterego | Is that accessible via BT serial ? |
| 20:48.07 | gla55 | forget it. |
| 20:48.07 | _Monkey | gla55: I forgot it |
| 20:48.15 | gla55 | hah |
| 20:48.24 | gla55 | alterego: maybe on some phone |
| 20:48.41 | Ar-ras | AT Commands |
| 20:48.42 | Ar-ras | Ug |
| 20:48.44 | Ar-ras | uh |
| 20:48.51 | alterego | It's the only way I remember of accessing SMS O_O |
| 20:48.51 | gla55 | alterego: you could do a serial to the phone itself.. dunno. would be highly phone specific. i wouldn't recommend it |
| 20:49.02 | gla55 | alterego: if you're making calls or sending sms's or mms there's apis |
| 20:49.06 | pupnik | alterego: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4618 |
| 20:49.32 | Juhaz | full file access is insanely restricted, and won't be given for almost anything, some is user grantable. |
| 20:49.42 | Jiten | interesting. this window.show_all() (necessary to get me toolbar buttons to show) takes ~4 seconds of real time. |
| 20:49.52 | suihkulokki | Jiten: If you think it's too hard for you, then it probably is :) |
| 20:50.01 | suihkulokki | challenge yourself ;P |
| 20:50.28 | Jiten | suihkulokki: I'm not thinking I can't do it. I'm just going to run out of interest if it takes weeks. |
| 20:51.03 | sp3000 | seen doublec |
| 20:51.04 | _Monkey | doublec was last seen on #maemo 1 days, 23 hours, 24 minutes and 30 seconds ago, saying: hi timely_changelog [Sat Oct 20 22:26:33 2007] |
| 20:51.12 | alterego | Jiten, that sounds insane. You're either miss timing it or the python Gtk bindings are f*cked. |
| 20:51.15 | gla55 | alterego: you can get a general feel of whats possible if you look at pages like http://www.forum.nokia.com/devices/E50 , check the jsr's available for the device and skim through them |
| 20:51.29 | alterego | gla55, thanks :) |
| 20:52.05 | alterego | 4 seconds of real time .. I can't believe that that's possible .. |
| 20:52.14 | Jiten | alterego: I'm guessing it's c-code it executes since cumulative time equals time in function. |
| 20:52.35 | alterego | Is that for a single show all? |
| 20:52.47 | Jiten | yes, single call |
| 20:52.55 | alterego | Not in a loop? :) |
| 20:53.08 | alterego | Or in the main loop? ^_^ |
| 20:53.11 | Jiten | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:53.21 | alterego | Oh, |
| 20:53.36 | alterego | Hmm .. |
| 20:53.37 | Jiten | I'm calling it once from my code. |
| 20:53.42 | Jiten | code that should only get called once |
| 20:53.44 | alterego | window#show_all ? |
| 20:53.58 | Jiten | yes, hildon.window |
| 20:54.05 | alterego | Interesting. |
| 20:54.30 | alterego | Well .. I feel there's something wrong :/ |
| 20:55.06 | gla55 | alterego: no probs... it's sort of my job to be enthuastic about this shit |
| 20:55.08 | alterego | Is that output from a python profiler? |
| 20:55.33 | alterego | gla55, I've been out-of-the-loop from phone tech for a while. |
| 20:56.00 | alterego | The last time I was kind of interested in it was with the 7650 |
| 20:56.11 | gla55 | that was around the time i got intrested at all |
| 20:56.15 | alterego | Coding for that .. It was so limited I just gave up and started getting drunk instead. |
| 20:56.39 | Jiten | alterego: I took the stats with python2.5 -m cProfile -o mnemosyne.prof mnemosyne.py |
| 20:56.42 | gla55 | very little memory on that one.. hampered the device badly |
| 20:56.55 | Jiten | and I'm looking at them with pstats module with interactive python |
| 20:57.09 | alterego | gla55, yeah. I wouldn't have minded that so much if J2ME at the time had more stuff. |
| 20:57.20 | alterego | I wrote a small game engine. It was so hacked. |
| 20:57.29 | alterego | That's what stopped me coding for phones :) |
| 20:58.13 | alterego | There were technologies on the horizon, on the J2ME front. But I couldn't be bothered to wait or afford to get a new phone everytime I wanted to code something, (I was a student at the time) |
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| 20:59.02 | alterego | Jiten, have you tried profiling a test case? Like a Hildon::Window with a single label in it? |
| 20:59.41 | Jiten | no, I'm more interested in analysing the parts I can do something about right now. |
| 21:00.22 | alterego | That would be insanity |
| 21:00.40 | alterego | And also really dumb. Ignore me, I'm probably drunk. |
| 21:01.04 | Jiten | doesn't C-version of gtk+ have a show_all function? |
| 21:01.08 | gla55 | alterego: fyi, theres also python for s60 |
| 21:01.19 | alterego | gla55, ruby too ;) |
| 21:01.37 | alterego | But yes. I've been interested in playing with those on a Symbian device. |
| 21:01.38 | gla55 | i just wish they would ship the vm's |
| 21:01.44 | gla55 | with the phones |
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| 21:02.01 | alterego | Python to JVM bytecode? |
| 21:02.36 | gla55 | no, i meant ship the python environment with the phones |
| 21:02.41 | Jiten | I could play with maemo or symbian. I chose to play with maemo. I've got 6120 classic and n800. |
| 21:02.45 | gla55 | so it would be more feasible to do consumer apps with it |
| 21:03.00 | gla55 | Jiten: probably keeps you saner |
| 21:03.37 | alterego | I want to play with Maemo _and_ Symbian :) |
| 21:03.43 | alterego | I want to get them to play together too. |
| 21:04.25 | alterego | I'd love to splurt out my plans. But |
| 21:04.37 | alterego | Well, I want to do them. So I don't want to risk other people doing it before I do :) |
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| 21:05.15 | alterego | There's no doubt there's would be better than mine too. |
| 21:05.22 | Jiten | heh, I don't really mind others doing my ideas :) |
| 21:05.23 | alterego | Then I'd get depressed. |
| 21:05.40 | alterego | Jiten, I'm used to that. |
| 21:06.05 | alterego | So far, no one seems to be working on the kinds of things that I've got planned. |
| 21:06.11 | alterego | So I'd rather I do them and get all the credit. |
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| 21:06.32 | alterego | I'm not after money. Just fame and women. |
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| 21:07.54 | ds3 | is there a jpeg viewer that will handle really really big JPEGs? |
| 21:08.14 | alterego | Has anyone noticed a bug with the notes application? Basically, when it's not fullscreen if the toolbar is being displayed. The menu popup that houses the buttons that don't fit on it don't show anything. Just a very small menu popup with very small _blank_ entries .. |
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| 21:09.23 | sp3000 | alterego: serves you right for installing fonts with long names |
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| 21:10.28 | alterego | I'm not sure whether it's worth submitting bugs for OS2007 as OS2008 is so close. And all the changes make these kinds of issues at least, not worth talking about until they show up in the new version. |
| 21:10.50 | alterego | sp3000, I wasn't aware I'd installed any fonts. |
| 21:10.59 | alterego | Well .. Except those for osso-xterm maybe .. |
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| 21:15.12 | Andy80 | hi again...from my n770 HE :) |
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| 21:20.44 | chx | hi. what do you think of mysql-server on N810? I have seen it's available in Debian for ARM |
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| 21:21.58 | alterego | I can't think of a use for it. But obviously someone has. |
| 21:23.30 | chx | alterego: I am a Drupal developer and I want a device to devel... everytime. I need a LAMP stack in my pocket. With a keyboard. Preferably with GPS. With wifi. That's N810. |
| 21:23.52 | chx | I was eyeing the N800 with sqlite but the N810 with a *keyboard* blows my socks |
| 21:24.26 | chx | also, what's this with "up to 2gb internal memory" ? http://www.nseries.com/nseries/v3/media/sections/products/tech_specs/en-R1/tech_specs_n810_en_R1.html |
| 21:25.45 | TechJunkie | I think they are just referring to the 2gb built in flash storage... comes loaded with a bunch of map data by default.. |
| 21:25.50 | chx | I was heavily eyeing the openmoko but a small,small phone with bluetooth and an N810 (again, keyboard) seems much better |
| 21:25.50 | Jiten | chx: I think it's just funny way of saying, comes with 2GB sd-card welded under the hood |
| 21:25.58 | chx | ah i see |
| 21:26.13 | Jaffa | ...and that if you uninstall/delete the maps, you've got "up to 2GB" |
| 21:26.13 | alterego | Nokia are like that. |
| 21:26.32 | chx | so, if it's in Debian ARM, it's useable w/ N810 too? |
| 21:26.35 | Jaffa | chx: agreed on the small phone and the tablet, though. Works well with my Sony Ericsson W850i |
| 21:26.35 | Jiten | ah, right, map storage |
| 21:26.39 | alterego | Like (up to 128Mb) (includes contact, messages, images, video blah blah blah,. |
| 21:26.43 | TechJunkie | what I want to know is if that 2gb is is mounted as /media/mmc2 :) It would at least make a nice root partition. |
| 21:27.05 | Jaffa | chx: you'll need to recompile as Maemo's using the armel EABI now, which Debian/ARM hasn't moved to (yet) |
| 21:27.18 | Jaffa | There's also some packaging weirdness, so this is where I plug mud-builder. |
| 21:27.23 | alterego | TechJunkie, I'd imagine there will be a dual booting how-to pretty quickly. |
| 21:27.48 | alterego | The only packaging weirdness is user/* :P |
| 21:28.02 | Jaffa | And XB-Maemo-Icon |
| 21:28.11 | alterego | Maybe debhelper version and icon too. |
| 21:28.17 | Jaffa | yeah :-p |
| 21:28.28 | Jaffa | anyway, don't stop me plugging my stuff - there's a device programme in effect ;) |
| 21:28.34 | alterego | Jaffa, yeah but the icon's are hardly important. Well, even if they are to me ;) |
| 21:28.43 | alterego | :) |
| 21:28.57 | chx | thx |
| 21:29.01 | chx | i am excited |
| 21:29.16 | alterego | I'm tired. |
| 21:29.20 | chx | good night |
| 21:29.25 | alterego | G'night |
| 21:30.24 | Jaffa | g'night |
| 21:33.17 | koen | chx should exchange that for euros |
| 21:33.42 | koen | when the n810 comes out the dollar will be even worth less that toilet paper |
| 21:33.54 | Jaffa | 1.2m iPhones in one quarter. FFS, that's good. |
| 21:35.11 | GeneralAntilles | If only they had a bash prompt. ;) |
| 21:36.44 | Jaffa | It's mind boggling to me. I'd wager that's order of magnitude more than all Maemo devices put together have sold in 2 years. |
| 21:38.56 | GeneralAntilles | I'd really like to see some solid sales figure on the Maemo devices. |
| 21:39.07 | timely_changelog | you won't |
| 21:39.11 | GeneralAntilles | Duh |
| 21:39.14 | GeneralAntilles | But I can hope |
| 21:40.06 | GeneralAntilles | It's telling that I've yet to see, hear or meet anybody with one in my day-to-day interactions. |
| 21:40.48 | zerojay | I haven't either, but almost everyone that sees me with it asks me about it. |
| 21:41.42 | zerojay | Last time I went out drinking, I had about 10 people crowding around just to watch me do a google search. :/ |
| 21:42.16 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 21:42.27 | timely_changelog | well |
| 21:42.36 | timely_changelog | if you go to gnome confs |
| 21:42.39 | timely_changelog | you'll see hem |
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| 21:58.30 | Jaffa | zerojay: btw, dunno if you saw http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2007/10/22/on_demand_transcoding_server_initial_rel - but you expressed an interest about it on ITT |
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| 22:34.21 | doug1 | what is the command to delete something from the terminal? |
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| 22:36.10 | GeneralAntilles | rm |
| 22:36.16 | GeneralAntilles | Becareful! |
| 22:36.48 | dolske | hmm, so, I've got the Maemo VM appliance running now... how exactly do I go about pulling and building the sources? |
| 22:37.01 | dolske | http://maemo.org/development/sources/ et al is... unclear. |
| 22:38.15 | dolske | actually, hmm... timely_changelog: am I starting down the right path for building MicroB? |
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| 22:38.38 | doug1 | hmmm |
| 22:38.39 | jono | hi all |
| 22:38.41 | doug1 | rm can't remove directories |
| 22:38.59 | jono | anyone know if it is possible to reset an n800 so all the software resets to the factory default settings? |
| 22:39.15 | dolske | doug1: rmdir foo, or rm -rf foo. |
| 22:39.20 | doublec | dolske: I recently went through the pain of building microb if you need help |
| 22:39.35 | dolske | doublec: have a cheatsheet? :) |
| 22:39.54 | doublec | i'm plannig to write a blog post about it, but haven't got around to it yet |
| 22:39.59 | doug1 | dolske: thank you |
| 22:40.00 | TechJunkie | jono: You just want it as if it was shipped to you fresh? |
| 22:40.14 | jono | TechJunkie: yep |
| 22:40.49 | TechJunkie | Well you could just reflash it then with the latest OS image.... do you have a Windows or Linux PC ? |
| 22:40.57 | doublec | i used the bora sdk - which one are you using? |
| 22:41.54 | dolske | doublec: should be bora, I just grabbed the preinstalled VMWare appliance that should have the basic environment all there... |
| 22:42.16 | doublec | ok, grab the microb source from svn |
| 22:42.34 | doublec | but pull all of it, not just microb-engine |
| 22:42.41 | doublec | (because you want libidl too) |
| 22:42.55 | TechJunkie | jono: http://europe.nokia.com/A4305010 |
| 22:43.04 | doublec | svn co https://garage.maemo.org/svn/browser/mozilla/trunk/ |
| 22:43.14 | doublec | or get trunk/libidl and trunk/microb-engine |
| 22:43.21 | dolske | aha, just saw http://browser.garage.maemo.org/docs/build_howto.html |
| 22:43.33 | doublec | yeah, but you need to do more than is listed there |
| 22:43.47 | doublec | You need to build libidl first for example |
| 22:43.48 | timely_changelog | file a bug :) |
| 22:44.01 | doublec | timely_changelog: good idea - i'll do that :) |
| 22:44.05 | timely_changelog | bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Browser |
| 22:44.59 | jono | TechJunkie: thanks |
| 22:45.08 | jono | I am trying to install skype and there are lots of missing dependencies |
| 22:45.37 | timely_changelog | how are you rying to install skype? |
| 22:45.57 | jono | timely_changelog: loading it from the web browser download link and it loads in the application manager |
| 22:46.46 | dolske | svn: PROPFIND of '/svn/browser/mozilla/trunk/microb-engine': Could not resolve hostname `garage.maemo.org': Temporary failure in name resolution (https://garage.maemo.org) |
| 22:47.00 | jono | timely_changelog: any idea how I fix this? |
| 22:47.00 | dolske | ?! Firefox is working fine. |
| 22:47.13 | TechJunkie | jono: Just to be clear, that wizard download from Nokia will walk you through re-flashing the N800 with the latest OS. But you will loose any configuration, apps you've installed, etc. It's literally a "fresh start". |
| 22:47.24 | timely_changelog | dolske: do you have dns properly configured? |
| 22:47.35 | timely_changelog | usually nswitch.conf or something is corrupt |
| 22:47.40 | jono | TechJunkie: cool, thanks |
| 22:47.54 | timely_changelog | (doesn't list dns) |
| 22:48.35 | timely_changelog | dolske: the other version of this is that you don't have dns in the other file... |
| 22:48.41 | jono | TechJunkie: have you done this on linux? |
| 22:49.04 | timely_changelog | jono: wiki.maemo.org covers flashing moderately well... |
| 22:49.10 | doublec | dolske: echo "hosts: files dns" > /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 22:49.20 | doublec | see: http://www.linuxmachine.net/2007/07/developing-on-the-n800-part-one/ |
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| 22:50.17 | dolske | what exactly is scratchbox? a VM? |
| 22:50.34 | jono | ok I will flash it |
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| 22:50.49 | timely_changelog | doslke: a messed up chroot |
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| 22:51.02 | timely_changelog | how it works depends on which emulation kit you use |
| 22:51.08 | timely_changelog | qemu is one choice, sbrsh is another |
| 22:51.21 | timely_changelog | in some cases it will actually run the commands on a real device |
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| 22:57.33 | dolske | cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 22:57.34 | dolske | nameserver 127.0.0.1 |
| 22:57.55 | dolske | wrong! now to figure out where that resolv.conf is actually at :/ |
| 22:59.04 | timely_changelog | dolske: i said it was one of two problems\ |
| 22:59.11 | timely_changelog | that's the other one :) |
| 22:59.22 | timely_changelog | usually, you can copy the system one into sb |
| 23:00.11 | dolske | ok, now we're going... |
| 23:01.00 | dolske | Error validating server certificate for 'https://garage.maemo.org:443': |
| 23:01.01 | dolske | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:01.01 | dolske | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:01.01 | dolske | timely: still owe you a bug on that :-) |
| 23:02.04 | dolske | oh, hmm, in this particular case it seems to be svn's stupidity, FF trunk loads that fine. |
| 23:03.46 | zerojay | Jaffa: I happened to see your announcement this morning actually. I haven't tried the server yet, but it looks promising. I'll probably play with it later on tonight. Thanks for the heads-up. ;) |
| 23:04.02 | dolske | does building for armel imply I'll have to copy binaries to my device to test with, or is there an emulator in this thing? |
| 23:05.08 | doublec | there's an emulator |
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| 23:05.12 | doublec | but i've not tried it personally |
| 23:05.44 | timely_changelog | you can try using qemu |
| 23:05.50 | timely_changelog | but it won't work w/ various things |
| 23:05.55 | dolske | hmm, so I guess I should target x86 until I feel like going through the hassle of testing on a device? |
| 23:05.58 | timely_changelog | and is officially unsupported |
| 23:06.38 | dolske | do most things work equally well on x86 vs armel, or is that going to give me hardaches too? :) |
| 23:09.33 | doublec | x86 seems to work quite well |
| 23:09.40 | doublec | not that I've stressed it much |
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| 23:16.00 | dolske | Hmmm... "fakeroot apt-get build-dep microb-engine" I guess the "fakeroot" bit implies that's run outside of scratchbox? |
| 23:18.07 | TPC | stupid human body needing sleep |
| 23:18.33 | doublec | dolske: you run that inside scratchbox |
| 23:21.08 | dolske | Hmm. "E: Unable to find a source package for microb-engine" is there a different repository for microb? |
| 23:21.14 | dolske | I already have a "deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ bora free non-free extras" entry... |
| 23:22.16 | doublec | i didn't bother running that actually |
| 23:22.29 | doublec | i went straight to the buildpackage |
| 23:23.03 | doublec | and retrieved dependancies when it reported the error |
| 23:23.19 | doublec | which you'll get when it asks for libidl-dev |
| 23:24.19 | dolske | > fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -nc |
| 23:24.19 | dolske | dpkg-parsechangelog: error: cannot open debian/changelog to find format: No such file or directory |
| 23:24.37 | doublec | are you in directory microb-engine/microb-engine |
| 23:24.54 | dolske | no, should I be? |
| 23:24.58 | doublec | yes |
| 23:25.20 | dolske | ugh, that's entirely unclear. |
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| 23:25.48 | doublec | it mentions it on the howto page :) |
| 23:26.43 | dolske | Sort of... it's under a "Debian Environment, desktop/scratchbox:" header, whatever that means |
| 23:27.29 | dolske | dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libidl-dev quilt bc libcairo2-dev |
| 23:27.29 | dolske | dpkg-buildpackage: Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting. |
| 23:27.29 | dolske | dpkg-buildpackage: (Use -d flag to override.) |
| 23:27.39 | doublec | ok, you need to build libidl |
| 23:27.43 | doublec | which you should have from the svn checkout |
| 23:27.52 | dolske | yeah, I saw it scroll by. |
| 23:27.55 | doublec | so in the libidl directory |
| 23:28.05 | doublec | fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -nc |
| 23:28.53 | dolske | Hmm, that wants flex. :) |
| 23:29.03 | doublec | See this page to fix that: |
| 23:29.13 | doublec | http://www.scratchbox.org/wiki/Apophis-r4 |
| 23:29.17 | jeremyb | flex? |
| 23:29.17 | _Monkey | somebody said flex was (for 770) echo " http://repository.maemo.org gregale/free flex" >> /etc/apt/sources list && apt-get update && apt-get install flex |
| 23:29.19 | doublec | search for 'flex' |
| 23:29.31 | doublec | under 'Crocodile' |
| 23:29.52 | doublec | flex = lexical parsing tool |
| 23:29.59 | jeremyb | oh, hehe |
| 23:30.02 | doublec | :)\ |
| 23:30.25 | doublec | dolske: one you do that libidl should build |
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| 23:31.07 | dolske | ok, it's building now. |
| 23:31.13 | doublec | then fakeroot dpkg -i libidl_foo_bar_baz.deb libidl-dev_foo_bar_baz.deb |
| 23:31.24 | doublec | then change back to microb-engine/microb-engine |
| 23:31.37 | doublec | and do: fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -nc -d |
| 23:31.40 | doublec | note the '-d' at the end |
| 23:31.43 | doublec | to ignore the other dependancies |
| 23:32.59 | dolske | "foo_bar_baz" literally? |
| 23:33.03 | doublec | no :) |
| 23:33.11 | doublec | various version numbers and architecture names |
| 23:34.33 | dolske | you've lost me, where am I supposed to get that from? |
| 23:35.38 | doublec | the .deb files should be in the current directory, created by the build |
| 23:35.43 | doublec | or one directory up, I forget |
| 23:36.01 | doublec | find .. -name "*.deb" -print |
| 23:36.40 | dolske | oh, they're in ../ wtf? |
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| 23:39.02 | dolske | is microb-engine/tarballs/mozilla.tar.gz all the Nokia patches? |
| 23:39.35 | dolske | oh, hmm, crapped out again: |
| 23:39.38 | dolske | Couldn't find quilt. Please install it or add it to the build-depends for this package. |
| 23:39.38 | dolske | make: *** [patch-stamp] Error 1 |
| 23:39.46 | doublec | did you add the -d to buildpackage? |
| 23:39.58 | doublec | so it ignores dependancies? |
| 23:41.56 | dolske | yeah, it chugged for a bit with a screen or two of output and then died. |
| 23:42.25 | dolske | apt-get install quilt works from the host, so I guess I need to hack scratchbox to add it? |
| 23:42.39 | doublec | i'm pretty sure i didn't have to do that |
| 23:42.42 | doublec | strange |
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| 23:45.20 | doublec | what does fakeroot apt-cache search quilt show? |
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| 23:45.38 | doublec | (from scratchbox) |
| 23:45.53 | dolske | nothing. |
| 23:46.08 | dolske | I'm using the scratchbox that came with the VM, maybe it's older? |
| 23:46.30 | doublec | mine says: quilt - quilt from scratchbox |
| 23:50.08 | doublec | could be |
| 23:50.29 | doublec | i installed from scratch |
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| 23:54.36 | massoud | Ehlo again there |
| 23:55.14 | massoud | I was wondering how can I add an "extra" menu for the new apps installed (ssh, ...) |
| 23:55.36 | massoud | with my n770 2007 FW edition |
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| 23:56.23 | massoud | for instance ssh client (osso) is installed but I don t see how can I acces the bin to run a xterm ? |
