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| 00:41.00 | _trent_ | so how do i reboot an 800 so that a running app gets killed? |
| 00:41.05 | _trent_ | n800 that is |
| 00:43.55 | zerojay | Um... reboot it. |
| 00:44.29 | _trent_ | how? |
| 00:44.47 | zerojay | The same way you do normally. |
| 00:45.26 | _trent_ | wow.. media player eventually died on its own after about 30 minutes of being hosed |
| 00:45.40 | _trent_ | i tried shutting it off and back on but media player was still running |
| 00:45.54 | zerojay | Let me guess, you had it charging? |
| 00:46.14 | _trent_ | its plugged in yes.. |
| 00:46.18 | _trent_ | i've only had it about 2 hours :) |
| 00:46.34 | zerojay | Rebooting while the tablet is plugged in doesn't reboot it but puts it in more of a sleep mode. |
| 00:46.42 | zerojay | Unplug the tablet, then reboot. |
| 00:46.50 | _trent_ | ah.. useful info |
| 00:47.32 | _trent_ | thanks |
| 00:50.22 | ds3 | or pop battery |
| 00:50.38 | ds3 | and disc power |
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| 00:59.16 | Liquid_Ic | Does anyone know if there a standalone flash player for the nokia 770 or 8--? |
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| 01:02.50 | Pavlz | hello |
| 01:03.42 | Pavlz | where can i find kismet for it 2006 os nokia 770 ? |
| 01:04.20 | Pavlz | kismet version armel |
| 01:05.16 | Pavlz | i searched too much but i don't find it |
| 01:06.02 | Pavlz | can anyone help me please ? |
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| 01:07.16 | pupnik | repositories? |
| 01:07.16 | _Monkey | repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php |
| 01:07.26 | pupnik | search gronmayer.com |
| 01:08.45 | Pavlz | tnx for the info |
| 01:09.45 | pupnik | if there are problems lettuce know |
| 01:10.06 | zerojay | boooo |
| 01:11.01 | pupnik | I try never to disparagus and i don't sweat the truffles. |
| 01:11.18 | pupnik | I'm outstanding in my field... and i know something good will turnip eventually. |
| 01:11.35 | pupnik | A bunch of things are going grape! |
| 01:11.37 | pupnik | :) |
| 01:11.48 | pupnik | And soon i'll be top banana. |
| 01:11.54 | pupnik | (at least, that's my peeling) |
| 01:12.06 | disq | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10694 |
| 01:12.32 | zerojay | I NEED IT NOW |
| 01:12.51 | pupnik | (ripped from Kip Adotta - Life in the Slaw Lane (with apologies)) |
| 01:13.07 | zerojay | I disagree with iball. My N800 almost did get me laid. lol. |
| 01:14.58 | pupnik | hmm a new thread - "internet tablet success stories" |
| 01:16.09 | pupnik | (I didn't realize it had kumquat so far) |
| 01:19.36 | disq | i'm still setting up scratchbox. this is the third try. previous ones failed with no space left on device |
| 01:22.00 | disq | oh. completed. my /scratchbox is 3.4 gigs now. |
| 01:27.28 | Deformati | What could cause my 770 to suddenly be readonly via usb? |
| 01:28.22 | Pavlz | nothing to do i founded only kismet_2007.01.R1-b-1.0_armel.deb |
| 01:29.22 | Pavlz | it does not run on my nokia 770 because is for 2007 |
| 01:29.49 | pupnik | this is the kismet i have also |
| 01:29.50 | Pavlz | i need 2006 _armel.deb |
| 01:30.32 | pupnik | sure? |
| 01:30.42 | Pavlz | i update time ago and now i can not use anymore |
| 01:31.24 | Pavlz | first if to the sh i wrote sudo gainroot |
| 01:31.52 | pupnik | i will test this package on 770 |
| 01:32.05 | Pavlz | and to the next step kismet i saw the gui |
| 01:32.37 | Pavlz | now i see only a messagge to the shell |
| 01:33.38 | pupnik | i installed this package with dpkg -i, then i ran "kismet" as root, and it works |
| 01:33.47 | Pavlz | Server option : none |
| 01:33.50 | Deformati | Is there an app for webspidering? |
| 01:33.52 | pupnik | if yours is broken, then do |
| 01:34.24 | Pavlz | Client option : none |
| 01:34.48 | pupnik | it looks like configuration is broken |
| 01:34.58 | pupnik | i suggest to remove package and reinstall |
| 01:35.00 | Pavlz | Starting server ... |
| 01:36.48 | Pavlz | Waiting for server to start before starting U. |
| 01:38.48 | Pavlz | /usr/bin/kismet_server : error while loading y |
| 01:40.59 | Pavlz | [1] + Done (127) $ {BIN} /kismet} |
| 01:41.02 | pupnik | Pavlz: strange. is your / filesystem full? |
| 01:41.40 | Pavlz | this is the messagge i see on the shell |
| 01:42.07 | Pavlz | many applications |
| 01:42.26 | Deformati | Why is the scheme installer missing? |
| 01:42.27 | pupnik | "df" command shows space free |
| 01:43.10 | disq | gah. i think xtightvnc doesn't support the composite extension |
| 01:43.50 | pupnik | iirc this is correct, several not supported |
| 01:44.16 | Pavlz | yes there is a little free space and firt to the row i see to right there is the last messagge |
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| 01:45.17 | Pavlz | i got aircrack-ng 0.5-1 mad |
| 01:46.04 | Pavlz | aircrack-pwt 1.0.0-1 |
| 01:46.40 | Pavlz | batmand 0.2-1 |
| 01:47.17 | Pavlz | becomeroot 0.1-2 |
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| 01:48.17 | Pavlz | btscanner 2.1-2.2 |
| 01:49.48 | Pavlz | ctorrent 1.3.4-dnh2-btfiles-maemo-1 |
| 01:51.02 | Pavlz | dropbear-client 0.49-1mh3 |
| 01:51.38 | Pavlz | dropbear-server 0.49-1mh3 |
| 01:52.25 | Pavlz | dsniff 2.4b1s2-1 |
| 01:52.26 | pupnik | i don't think these packages should interfere - but maybe aircrack-pwt breaks kismet somehow |
| 01:53.22 | Pavlz | iphome 0.2-1 |
| 01:54.39 | Pavlz | kismet 2007.01.R1b-1.0 |
| 01:54.58 | ds3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:55.54 | Pavlz | lbncurses5 5.4-4 |
| 01:57.11 | Pavlz | libpcap0.8 0.9.5-1 |
| 01:57.52 | Pavlz | nano 1.2.4-5 |
| 01:58.22 | Pavlz | nast 0.2.0 |
| 01:59.26 | Pavlz | ncurses-base 5.4-4 |
| 01:59.52 | Pavlz | netcat 1.10-32 |
| 02:00.23 | Pavlz | nmap 3.95-1 |
| 02:00.58 | Pavlz | oggplay 0.31 |
| 02:02.00 | Pavlz | olsrd 0.4.10-1 |
| 02:02.31 | pupnik | i sense frustration |
| 02:02.52 | Pavlz | osso-statusbar-cpu 0.5.7 |
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| 02:03.15 | Pavlz | i frustration ? |
| 02:04.01 | Pavlz | osso-xterm 0.13 |
| 02:04.18 | Pavlz | i am not frustrated |
| 02:04.49 | doublec | why the big list of packages pasted to the channel? |
| 02:05.14 | Pavlz | privoxy 3.0.6-2 |
| 02:05.28 | Pavlz | because you asked me |
| 02:05.49 | Pavlz | which packages i got |
| 02:06.10 | Pavlz | i am telling you |
| 02:06.41 | doublec | i asked you? |
| 02:06.52 | doublec | i think not |
| 02:06.53 | pupnik | i didn't ask that |
| 02:07.16 | pupnik | 03:20 < pupnik> i suggest to remove package and reinstall [kismet] |
| 02:07.17 | Pavlz | rsync 2.6.8-2 |
| 02:07.28 | pupnik | plonk! |
| 02:07.35 | Pavlz | and what pupnik |
| 02:08.02 | Pavlz | it is night here in italy |
| 02:08.55 | Pavlz | it is too cold and i am in the middle of a street |
| 02:09.34 | Pavlz | to sniff the connection with the nokia 770 |
| 02:10.04 | Pavlz | my hands are iceberg |
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| 02:11.31 | Pavlz | and i am using xchat whit little fonts |
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| 02:12.30 | Pavlz | and is possibile that i have not understood what you asked me pupnik |
| 02:13.45 | doublec | pupnik is saying, remove kismet and reinstall it |
| 02:13.59 | Pavlz | i think to turn back to home it is too much cold |
| 02:14.15 | Pavlz | i just do it |
| 02:14.37 | Pavlz | whitout any success |
| 02:15.14 | Pavlz | i try again another time |
| 02:17.34 | Pavlz | i removed |
| 02:17.52 | Pavlz | and i installed |
| 02:18.16 | Pavlz | there is not any difference |
| 02:18.37 | Pavlz | as i just said you |
| 02:19.04 | Pavlz | the problem remain |
| 02:19.39 | doublec | i wasn't telling you to do it, i was telling you what pupnik said |
| 02:23.12 | Pavlz | ok |
| 02:23.17 | Pavlz | tnx |
| 02:23.35 | Pavlz | my nokia 770 |
| 02:23.46 | Pavlz | is locked |
| 02:24.17 | Pavlz | i can't update |
| 02:24.47 | Pavlz | if i write apt-get update |
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| 02:25.01 | Pavlz | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 02:25.24 | Pavlz | i receive this messagge |
| 02:27.08 | Pavlz | E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - op) |
| 02:27.54 | erstazi | Pavlz: on your nokia, is the application manager open? |
| 02:29.42 | Pavlz | E: Unable to lock the administration director? |
| 02:29.57 | Pavlz | yes there are |
| 02:30.14 | Pavlz | but it's very |
| 02:30.22 | Pavlz | strange |
| 02:30.43 | erstazi | close the application manager on your nokia |
| 02:30.50 | erstazi | then do apt-get update |
| 02:31.07 | erstazi | cannot have application manager open or else it will lock apt-get |
| 02:31.28 | Pavlz | that i can't to work in multitasking |
| 02:31.51 | Pavlz | too the www ? |
| 02:34.00 | Pavlz | ok |
| 02:34.44 | Pavlz | but it has only updated the browser |
| 02:35.04 | Pavlz | and to update the kernel ? |
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| 02:38.03 | Pavlz | as kernel version i got 2.6.16.27-omap1 |
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| 04:05.57 | lopz | bye |
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| 04:33.20 | dolske | Grr... Is there a functional link somewhere for downloading the Chinook VMWare appliance? http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ is broken. |
| 04:38.56 | pupnik | dolske: perhaps on the vmware appliance site |
| 04:40.56 | dolske | Just bora. :/ |
| 04:41.28 | dolske | "Results 1 - 10 of 98 for maemo." stupid site search. |
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| 05:40.15 | inz | mmh, wordpress upgrade almost working... |
| 05:40.36 | inz | sqlite wordpress, that is |
| 05:42.28 | inz | Damned sqlite 2.x doesn't have alter table :/ |
| 05:45.40 | konttori | sqlite 3 should have |
| 05:45.49 | konttori | maybe not full, but at least add column |
| 05:46.42 | inz | yeah, it does |
| 05:46.51 | inz | but sqlite2 is already used on the device ;) |
| 05:47.29 | konttori | hmm... it's only 150 k. |
| 05:47.43 | konttori | so, you might consider adding the current one with your package |
| 05:47.50 | konttori | what are you doing? |
| 05:48.08 | inz | Trying to make wordpress upgrade (2.0.9 -> 2.3) work |
| 05:48.20 | konttori | ahh... |
| 05:48.44 | konttori | perhaps just create new db and move the data from the old one to the new |
| 05:49.06 | konttori | you can connect two databases together in sqlite and move data between them relatively easily |
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| 05:50.24 | konttori | just an idea |
| 05:50.35 | konttori | i'm sure you'll figure out a better one |
| 05:51.07 | inz | I already have a "get table details, get table contents, drop table, recreate table, fill table" -solution |
| 05:51.25 | konttori | sounds great |
| 05:51.55 | unique311 | konttori: any ukmp release news? |
| 05:52.05 | konttori | umm... as in for what? |
| 05:52.16 | unique311 | read something on ITT about coverflow? |
| 05:52.20 | konttori | umm.. I could put the n810 compatible version out |
| 05:52.25 | konttori | ahh.. it's not my project |
| 05:52.36 | konttori | I was just suggesting how one might go about making coverflow |
| 05:52.46 | unique311 | ok |
| 05:52.57 | konttori | I don't have the time exactly right now to put to that. |
| 05:53.17 | konttori | it would take some head banging against the wall to get it optimized enough. |
| 05:53.58 | unique311 | k |
| 05:54.34 | konttori | otoh: if my ideas there would work out, then making that should take around two days to add to ukmp. |
| 05:55.04 | konttori | mostly because to get it looking just right takes polish time |
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| 05:56.55 | unique311 | new tablet besides looking guud, only hardware improvements. gps, keyboard, and wimax. |
| 06:00.25 | White_Flame | so what does it take to run Maemo on other hardware? Specifically the Jornada 720 has a linux kernel now. Only 32MB RAM, though. |
| 06:00.59 | bmidgley | n810 has an fm transmitter? |
| 06:01.15 | pupnik | who says that |
| 06:01.44 | White_Flame | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3669465936.html |
| 06:02.26 | bmidgley | and a few others that seem to have copied/pasted |
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| 06:10.57 | konttori | sounds interesting. I don't know if that fm stuff is corect. I'm so in the software side of things. |
| 06:11.16 | konttori | if it is true, then it would be a really great way to connect n800 to home stereo at home. |
| 06:11.40 | konttori | anyway, gotta go to work now. see you guys |
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| 06:23.22 | czr | mornink |
| 06:24.04 | inz | mourning |
| 06:24.54 | czr | aww, wordpress is so saddening experience? :-) |
| 06:27.06 | czr | interesting. no email. I was expecting some feedback.. |
| 06:27.27 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.ustream.tv/channel/thoughtfixs-live-show/ |
| 06:27.32 | GeneralAntilles | If anybody wants a live N810 demo. |
| 06:28.25 | pupnik | :) |
| 06:28.36 | inz | czr, I just hate it when I get empty pages and I've no idea why |
| 06:28.42 | inz | czr, error messages are sooooo nice |
| 06:28.45 | truls | hm, that was odd. i incidentally was watching one of his n800-takeapart videos when i started to see the ustream-thing without knowing it was the same guy |
| 06:29.12 | czr | inz, you aren't using sharepoint by any chance, are you? ;-) |
| 06:29.17 | truls | s/incidentally/coincidentally/ |
| 06:29.25 | pupnik | is it just my ustreamtv that is laggy or the 810, GeneralAntilles ? |
| 06:29.30 | inz | czr, nope |
| 06:29.33 | GeneralAntilles | UstreamTV |
| 06:29.45 | GeneralAntilles | 3 N810 users in the room |
| 06:29.53 | GeneralAntilles | they're confirming that it's much smoother in person. |
| 06:30.08 | czr | inz, well, it's like whenever Application manager fails to install a package, you kind of get the same error message :-). so yes, I know the feeling :-) |
| 06:30.23 | czr | GeneralAntilles, they all work for nokia? |
| 06:30.39 | czr | and if not, how can you be truly sure!? |
| 06:31.02 | inz | czr, application manager _does_ have a log |
| 06:31.13 | czr | inz, where? |
| 06:31.22 | sxpert | o_O http://www.cbld.com/ |
| 06:31.22 | GeneralAntilles | czr: no. |
| 06:31.26 | inz | czr, somewhere in the menu |
| 06:31.29 | czr | I know it does. but it's always referred to as "Log". nothing else |
| 06:31.33 | pupnik | man, that's a lot snappier than my 770 |
| 06:31.34 | czr | oh |
| 06:31.46 | White_Flame | does the UStream link work for anybody? Neither the video nor the cat are working for me |
| 06:31.50 | inz | czr, menu: tools/log... |
| 06:31.51 | White_Flame | cat = chat |
| 06:32.00 | czr | inz, indeed |
| 06:32.05 | GeneralAntilles | Thoughtfix of tabletblog.com, Jonathan of maemo-apps.org, and Ragnar of . . . Nokia. |
| 06:32.27 | czr | never occurred to me that someone would stick the log into the menu :-) |
| 06:32.29 | GeneralAntilles | It's the UnstreamTV, just watch the motion on the non-N810 stuff. |
| 06:32.31 | pupnik | ah 52-54 viewers - ustream definitely the cause of |
| 06:32.33 | pupnik | yep |
| 06:32.46 | GeneralAntilles | Also, don't be a goddamn cynic, czr. :P |
| 06:33.08 | White_Flame | GeneralAntilles: but I'm too busy watching the motion of the "Connecting..." loop ;) |
| 06:33.17 | czr | I don't have a nice answer to that, GeneralAntilles :-) |
| 06:34.04 | pupnik | thoughtfix should be live on #maemo :) to answer all our pesky questions too :D |
| 06:34.44 | pupnik | oh i see there's a chat there too |
| 06:36.01 | pupnik | good job @ thoughtfix tho - nice sharp camera view |
| 06:36.47 | GeneralAntilles | He's good at what he does. |
| 06:38.22 | GeneralAntilles | Good news is that pretty much all of this applies to the N800, too. (with OS2008). |
| 06:39.49 | pupnik | bp4l vs bp5l i think - both nominally 1500mah? |
| 06:40.05 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 06:40.14 | GeneralAntilles | I think it's just the shape/size. |
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| 06:44.09 | pupnik | note that this is early release |
| 06:44.44 | pupnik | dang this is fun - thanks for the heads up GeneralAntilles |
| 06:45.15 | GeneralAntilles | Sure thing! |
| 06:45.41 | GeneralAntilles | Did you register? |
| 06:45.56 | pupnik | nah too much work - and there's way too many questions already |
| 06:46.02 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 06:46.06 | GeneralAntilles | Need a moderator. |
| 06:46.27 | White_Flame | so the ustream link is actually working for some? |
| 06:46.35 | GeneralAntilles | Works fine for me. |
| 06:46.39 | White_Flame | hmm |
| 06:47.18 | pupnik | i like this clean 'flat' looking icon style |
| 06:47.47 | GeneralAntilles | Orange selection highlights are terrifying. >_> |
| 06:48.12 | czr | maybe you should buy some color filter plastic so that it would filter out the orange? ;-) |
| 06:48.25 | GeneralAntilles | Or just get a 3rd party theme! :P |
| 06:48.38 | unique311 | n810, to wimax or not to wimax... |
| 06:48.50 | czr | unique311, no wimax afair |
| 06:48.58 | GeneralAntilles | Wimax is a waste of money. |
| 06:49.15 | czr | afaik even. |
| 06:49.24 | White_Flame | I wonder if we'll ever see internet access as a public utility |
| 06:49.34 | unique311 | next year |
| 06:50.22 | White_Flame | wimax != public utility |
| 06:50.27 | unique311 | thinking alot will be happening next year. 32GB SDs |
| 06:50.34 | unique311 | can wait for those |
| 06:50.41 | GeneralAntilles | Too bad about the MiniSD garbage. |
| 06:50.47 | sxpert | White_Flame, build it yourserlf with a wifi swarm |
| 06:51.05 | pupnik | by next year we might even see a decent snes emu :P |
| 06:51.15 | czr | heh pupnik |
| 06:51.19 | unique311 | on the tablet pupnik |
| 06:51.34 | White_Flame | at least the N810's keyboard will double as game buttons :) |
| 06:51.54 | pupnik | i hope you can press dpad and a key at the same freakin time |
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| 06:52.11 | unique311 | GeneralAntilles: whats the minisd garbage? |
| 06:52.24 | GeneralAntilles | Not having fullsize SD cards slots on the N810 |
| 06:53.32 | unique311 | slots....or slot |
| 06:53.40 | unique311 | only one slot i read. |
| 06:53.47 | unique311 | built in 2GB |
| 06:53.51 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, only one MiniSD slot |
| 06:53.55 | GeneralAntilles | Which is a joke. |
| 06:54.25 | unique311 | well the size on Mini's will grow. |
| 06:54.30 | pupnik | i kind of like it - means there's a big space to dump data that the packager is sure will be there |
| 06:54.35 | sxpert | well, imagine how sqweezed it must be inside... |
| 06:54.58 | GeneralAntilles | I'd have taken some extra thickness for more stareg. |
| 06:55.01 | GeneralAntilles | storage* |
| 06:55.04 | White_Flame | "Up to 2GB internal memory" What's with the "Up to"? |
| 06:55.30 | pupnik | "up to" is usually marketing newspeak for "less than or equal to" |
| 06:55.55 | White_Flame | right, but if it's not a card slot, then either there will be different models with different amounts of RAM, or they haven't finalized specs I guess |
| 06:56.07 | White_Flame | s/RAM/storage/ |
| 06:56.52 | White_Flame | hey, that's a neat bot |
| 06:56.52 | unique311 | miniSD's = 8GB so far.... |
| 06:57.03 | White_Flame | but my existing SD cards are not mini |
| 06:57.23 | unique311 | nokia is thinking about the SD companies.. |
| 06:57.31 | unique311 | making sure they make money. |
| 06:57.37 | unique311 | fair enough |
| 06:57.58 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 06:58.05 | pupnik | whoah what's that strange tablet in the background? |
| 06:58.15 | keesj | http://europe.nokia.com/A4579470 nice to see appls labeled as community apps in between |
| 06:58.29 | GeneralAntilles | I'll be laughing at the poor schmucks limited to 8GB on the N810 while I have 32GB on my N800. :P |
| 06:58.39 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik, black-painted N800 |
| 07:00.31 | truls | i'm guessing theres still a hardware limit on how big SDs you can read on the N800, no matter how big they make them |
| 07:00.32 | pupnik | agree with thoughtfix on gps being more useful to more ppl |
| 07:00.41 | unique311 | was thinking of airbrushing my N800's cover..figure i didn't get rid of it yet, will probably never. |
| 07:00.50 | keesj | gps is great for on the road |
| 07:01.23 | unique311 | would be cool if the gps software is available for the N800 |
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| 07:01.37 | GeneralAntilles | truls, should be able to use 32GB SDHC cards just fine. |
| 07:02.01 | truls | nice |
| 07:02.19 | truls | my impression so far was 2GB was supported, 4GB might work if you're lucky |
| 07:02.34 | GeneralAntilles | The last limit was a software limit due to not having SDHC support in firmware |
| 07:02.38 | GeneralAntilles | but that has been changed |
| 07:02.45 | unique311 | new firmware fixed the issues |
| 07:02.46 | GeneralAntilles | so 16GB cards work fine right now |
| 07:02.56 | truls | brilliant! |
| 07:03.03 | GeneralAntilles | and 32GB should be ok in the future |
| 07:03.08 | truls | guess i should get a cheap big card while i'm here in taiwan then |
| 07:03.34 | White_Flame | how do dev tools run on the n800? |
| 07:04.03 | pupnik | cool... multi-touch on the keyboard apparently |
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| 07:04.14 | truls | is that both for internal and external SDs? |
| 07:05.09 | GeneralAntilles | The internal and external SD slots are identical in what they'll read/write. |
| 07:05.25 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe, pupnik, one would hope. :P |
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| 07:05.57 | pupnik | it wasn't given - it could be press shift - then press letter for e.g. |
| 07:06.44 | truls | GeneralAntilles: great |
| 07:07.46 | pupnik | hahaha |
| 07:07.50 | White_Flame | I see scheme, tcl/tk, python, etc in the maemo list, but no gcc package? |
| 07:08.32 | czr | White_Flame, gcc is part of sbox |
| 07:08.38 | pupnik | if you need gcc, you should be able to figure out how to put it on there :P |
| 07:08.43 | czr | although I might have misunderstood your question |
| 07:09.01 | White_Flame | well, I don't have a n800 yet, just checking out what's available for it |
| 07:10.08 | White_Flame | I'm presuming you can take basic source apps and do "./configure && make" right on the device? |
| 07:10.18 | dpb_ | no, you can't |
| 07:10.55 | dpb_ | development happens inside scratchbox, which you install on a x86 pc |
| 07:11.04 | White_Flame | erm, wait |
| 07:11.16 | White_Flame | this thing should be plenty powerful to do self-hosted development |
| 07:11.25 | White_Flame | heck, the Jornada 720 does it fine with 200MHz and 32MB RAM |
| 07:12.35 | dpb_ | lol.. your definition of "powerful" and "fine" must be way different than other peoples. |
| 07:12.36 | czr | hmm. there was some discussion about this on the devel list some time ago |
| 07:12.48 | czr | and I see the point. when hacking on software while on the road |
| 07:13.06 | White_Flame | dpb_: the n800 is more powerful than desktops of not that long ago |
| 07:13.15 | GeneralAntilles | I'm wondering how magadan stumbled his way in there. >_> |
| 07:13.25 | dpb_ | software has grown in that time too |
| 07:14.02 | White_Flame | but not to that scale |
| 07:14.13 | White_Flame | especially when you're talking about basic bootstrapping apps |
| 07:15.16 | White_Flame | well, seeing as it is just linux, you can cross-compile for ARM and install, right? So I could cross-compile gcc and just slap over the binaries? |
| 07:15.24 | pupnik | i haven't heard of people using gcc on the device, but the packages are all there dpb_ |
| 07:16.04 | czr | hmm. I wonder whether building binutils & gcc would require much effort in ARMEL SDK target |
| 07:16.13 | White_Flame | just to clarify, it's not necessarily for coding on-the-go, but just to make sure I can build & install anything that comes in linux source |
| 07:16.25 | czr | White_Flame, that's handled by the SDK |
| 07:16.39 | czr | White_Flame, so yes, you can, and you don't have to build your own cross-toolchain either |
| 07:16.44 | pupnik | there is a crosscompilation environment White_Flame - people develop for the tablets on their PCs |
| 07:17.16 | pupnik | but if you like ruby/python or even tcl/tk that's also an option |
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| 07:17.54 | czr | hmm. is there some page about using python with bora somewhere? |
| 07:17.57 | czr | esp on the device. |
| 07:18.33 | pupnik | btw is orb server easy to set up on linux PC? |
| 07:18.49 | GeneralAntilles | It's Windows only. |
| 07:19.58 | pupnik | hehehe |
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| 07:20.50 | GeneralAntilles | There aren't any decent transcoding on-demand solutions for non-Windows machines. |
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| 07:21.23 | sxpert | GeneralAntilles, hmm ? |
| 07:21.48 | GeneralAntilles | There aren't any on-demand on-the-fly transcoding media servers available for Linux or OS X |
| 07:21.50 | pupnik | knots server + vlc 0.9 is starting to get there for me |
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| 07:22.07 | pupnik | um funny, i run one every day GeneralAntilles :) |
| 07:22.28 | sxpert | GeneralAntilles, you're full of FUD |
| 07:22.34 | pupnik | just has trouble with some of my vids |
| 07:23.06 | GeneralAntilles | OK, for Linux, then. |
| 07:23.10 | GeneralAntilles | Point me to something for OS X |
| 07:23.16 | GeneralAntilles | It would be much appreciated. :) |
| 07:23.56 | pupnik | http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-macosx.html |
| 07:24.03 | GeneralAntilles | That's not on-demand. |
| 07:24.13 | pupnik | with knots server it is |
| 07:24.30 | pupnik | but you'll need very latest vlc |
| 07:24.40 | GeneralAntilles | Can I get a link? :) |
| 07:24.44 | GeneralAntilles | I can't find it on google. |
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| 07:26.14 | pupnik | http://nightlies.videolan.org/ |
| 07:26.34 | GeneralAntilles | I already have the latest VLC. |
| 07:26.40 | GeneralAntilles | Is knots something that's bundled with VLC? |
| 07:26.55 | pupnik | you have 0.9? |
| 07:27.01 | GeneralAntilles | Yessir. |
| 07:27.11 | pupnik | then you need knots server and client |
| 07:27.19 | GeneralAntilles | Which is what I need a link for. |
| 07:27.27 | GeneralAntilles | As I can't find any mention of it on google. |
| 07:27.52 | pupnik | link is down - it's in development |
| 07:28.07 | GeneralAntilles | So, this isn't actually something I can download and use right now? <_< |
| 07:28.09 | pupnik | i think jaffa just got something like that working last night too |
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| 07:30.20 | GeneralAntilles | expert, since I'm full of FUD, do you have any recommendations that I could use. :) |
| 07:30.43 | GeneralAntilles | *sxpert |
| 07:31.29 | pupnik | mythtv does it too afaik, but i really dislike the setup of that |
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| 07:36.38 | GeneralAntilles | Guess not. |
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| 07:36.48 | GeneralAntilles | wb |
| 07:37.02 | GeneralAntilles | Do you have any recommendations for what I could use, sxpert? |
| 07:37.33 | sxpert | first, what are your requirements ? |
| 07:38.23 | GeneralAntilles | Well, I want to to be able to access my video collection on my primary machine from my N800, then have videos transcoded to MPEG4 @ 400x240 1200Kbps on the fly. |
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| 07:38.45 | sxpert | vlc should be able to do that |
| 07:39.12 | sxpert | you'll need to build some VOD system I guess |
| 07:39.38 | GeneralAntilles | Right, which is exactly what I said |
| 07:39.44 | GeneralAntilles | and exactly what you called me full of "FUD" for. |
| 07:39.50 | GeneralAntilles | So, how am I full of FUD? >_> |
| 07:40.41 | sxpert | thanks for identifying a missing opensource / free software project. now get your hands dirty and build it :-) |
| 07:40.50 | GeneralAntilles | No time. |
| 07:40.59 | GeneralAntilles | I'll probably just roll something with PHP for my own use, though. |
| 07:41.11 | GeneralAntilles | I can call VLC from PHP for individual files. |
| 07:41.50 | GeneralAntilles | Making it exit cleanly and detecting early client-quits might be a little beyond me, though. |
| 07:41.53 | pupnik | 01:18 < Jaffa> Woohoo! Perl-based on-demand transcoding and RSS feed into Video Center working :-). Apparently, it's like Orb but open source |
| 07:42.09 | pupnik | 01:22 * Jaffa uploads it to http://www.bleb.org/software/maemo/mediaserv.pl.txt - will tidy release and announce it properly tomorrow. Now... it's time for bed. |
| 07:42.10 | sxpert | pupnik, heh |
| 07:42.11 | GeneralAntilles | Ha, JAFFA! |
| 07:42.31 | GeneralAntilles | Well, there you go. |
| 07:42.39 | sxpert | there *you* go |
| 07:42.59 | pupnik | *and* i could upload you a ruby-based solution right now but i don't want to step on sol's toes as he wrote it |
| 07:43.04 | sxpert | the thing exists. fresh from last night :-) |
| 07:43.48 | GeneralAntilles | I'd have to install ruby |
| 07:43.54 | GeneralAntilles | Now that's a pain. :P |
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| 07:44.37 | GeneralAntilles | I can believe somebody hasn't already rolled something into VLC, though. |
| 07:45.04 | pupnik | that is kind of surprising |
| 07:45.06 | sxpert | there's something called "freeplayer" but that's aimed at my internet stb |
| 07:45.21 | sxpert | perhaps it could be hacked into submission |
| 07:45.38 | GeneralAntilles | btw, thanks, pupnik. :) |
| 07:46.18 | GeneralAntilles | Now I just need to get apache set up on here. |
| 07:46.52 | pupnik | hahaha |
| 07:47.27 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 07:47.34 | GeneralAntilles | The mac mini that was my local server is running Leopard atm |
| 07:47.42 | GeneralAntilles | it doesn't have the horsepower for this, anyway. |
| 07:48.09 | pupnik | my vlc transcoding was running ok on a p3 950 mhz |
| 07:48.58 | pupnik | lmao @ 'package management' |
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| 07:50.07 | pupnik | morning Jaffa - excited to see what your're doing with transcoding :) |
| 07:50.56 | Jaffa | yeah - don't want to have my own client (like knots - which is still very cool), but integrate into VideoCenter, the browser and the built-in media player |
| 07:51.04 | Jaffa | (or mplayer through VideoCenter) |
| 07:52.15 | pupnik | that's great! ppl will love you |
| 07:53.10 | Jaffa | The code is so ugly and full of debug output at the moment, but it seems much more stable than my initial prototype :) |
| 07:53.25 | pupnik | what transcodes on the server? |
| 07:54.58 | mik_ | hi there |
| 07:54.59 | _Monkey | privet, mik_ |
| 07:55.04 | mik_ | can anyone show me how to send a pg-up in dbclient or ssh? |
| 07:55.31 | pupnik | i dunnos |
| 07:58.02 | pupnik | ah yes i do mik_ |
| 07:58.22 | pupnik | mik_: hit x terminal menu, hit view, then select toolbar |
| 07:58.29 | pupnik | then you can hit pgup/pgdown |
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| 08:03.54 | truls | ack, the development environment installation is so hit or miss with chinook using apt instead of a big rootstrap-download |
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| 08:04.21 | pupnik | bah tell em there's no overclocking |
| 08:05.01 | pupnik | it's a power management issue - at various runlevels you get 400mhz ARM and lower speed DSP, or higher speed DSP and 333mhz arm |
| 08:07.42 | Jaffa | pupnik: MPEG 2 Transport Streams from UK DVB-T. |
| 08:08.00 | pupnik | oh ok - live tv i get it |
| 08:08.28 | x2 | what bandwidth would I need for a decent full res stream? |
| 08:08.38 | x2 | i may use encoder and try that if its not a lot of bandwidth |
| 08:08.45 | mik_ | pupnik: thx |
| 08:08.46 | pupnik | i am running 440 atm |
| 08:08.51 | mik_ | i'll try |
| 08:08.56 | x2 | 440? |
| 08:09.02 | x2 | kbs? |
| 08:09.04 | pupnik | kb/s |
| 08:09.07 | x2 | er |
| 08:09.08 | x2 | lol |
| 08:09.13 | x2 | wait |
| 08:09.15 | x2 | hrm |
| 08:09.27 | x2 | i could do about 350 |
| 08:09.32 | x2 | wouls that look ok? |
| 08:10.01 | pupnik | oh atm it's at 500 whatever - looks great |
| 08:10.10 | x2 | sweet |
| 08:10.12 | pupnik | wmv2 codec ffmpeg |
| 08:10.23 | x2 | im waiting on damn 64 bit drivers for my tuner card |
| 08:10.27 | x2 | then ill get to work on that |
| 08:10.37 | x2 | in a few days ill go to mmc card filesystem |
| 08:10.40 | x2 | see if its any faster |
| 08:10.52 | x2 | should I do 06, or hacker 07? |
| 08:10.56 | x2 | 07 has a few bugs |
| 08:10.57 | x2 | meh |
| 08:11.01 | GeneralAntilles | Hacker is very much worth it. |
| 08:11.03 | x2 | looks good though |
| 08:11.05 | x2 | yea |
| 08:11.08 | GeneralAntilles | So much faster than 06 |
| 08:11.14 | x2 | yea |
| 08:16.02 | Jaffa | pupnik: but I've also transcoded downloaded DivX and ripped DVDs last night. |
| 08:16.03 | pupnik | i prefer crashing less than once a day, but that's just me |
| 08:16.11 | x2 | lmfao |
| 08:16.14 | Jaffa | Meh, used to that from IT OS 2005 ;-) |
| 08:17.33 | pupnik | ah nice Jaffa. What does the transcoding on the server side? |
| 08:17.40 | czr | jaffa does :-) |
| 08:17.43 | pupnik | Or are you transcoding non-real-time? |
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| 08:33.31 | GeneralAntilles | Looks like it's using the 770-encode script |
| 08:33.35 | GeneralAntilles | which is mencoder, pupnik. |
| 08:39.17 | Jaffa | pupnik: GeneralAntilles is right. Using my 770-encode |
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| 08:48.45 | truls | hm, the default installed development environment is kinda... empty, no settings for the device or anything. is there a meta-package other than maemo-explicit to give you everything that's installed on a real n800? |
| 08:49.55 | czr | truls, the SDK is empty |
| 08:50.00 | czr | kind of empty |
| 08:50.05 | czr | and no, no meta-packages |
| 08:50.24 | czr | it's not a full device emulator, it's just an SDK to build your own software (more or less) |
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| 08:51.15 | truls | ah, ok, i kinda thought it used the same package repos as the full device |
| 08:51.33 | truls | and so gave you the same full os |
| 08:51.43 | czr | well, yes and no. but not all software that is on the device is in a "repo" |
| 08:51.49 | truls | ok |
| 08:52.04 | truls | so not everything is upgradable? |
| 08:52.09 | truls | so to speak? |
| 08:52.11 | czr | most of it comes directly with the rootfs when you flash the device |
| 08:52.20 | czr | it is. but you reflash the device with a new release of ITOS |
| 08:52.20 | truls | ok |
| 08:52.24 | truls | ah |
| 08:52.27 | czr | not via Application manager/repos |
| 08:52.45 | truls | so what kinda stuff is in the rootfs? |
| 08:52.55 | czr | everything that you don't find in the SDK ;-) |
| 08:52.55 | truls | apps too? |
| 08:53.00 | truls | heh, ok |
| 08:55.20 | truls | czr: thanks for clearing that up |
| 08:55.31 | czr | np |
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| 08:56.20 | truls | annoying scratchbox, keeps complaining i don't close my targets, so i cant change to another one |
| 08:57.00 | czr | if you're using armel, then I at least have to use sb-conf killall, since qemu hangs |
| 08:57.21 | czr | but you should check that you don't have other terminals open which are using the same target at the same time. |
| 09:01.09 | truls | i keep doing the killall and i've closed all terminals |
| 09:01.13 | truls | doesnt help |
| 09:02.19 | truls | thanks |
| 09:02.29 | truls | finding the hung qemu helped |
| 09:04.59 | czr | killall ftw |
| 09:05.14 | czr | killall -9 normally though. qemu has mental issues. |
| 09:08.01 | truls | yeah, realized that |
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| 09:38.42 | guardian | are chinook repos supposed to be updated ? |
| 09:38.49 | timeless | ping |
| 09:38.52 | timeless | anyone here in .fi? |
| 09:38.59 | guardian | since i installed it, apt-get dist-upgrade never updated anything |
| 09:39.45 | truls | i guess you do a apt-get update first |
| 09:39.52 | guardian | did it |
| 09:39.58 | timeless | no one here is in .fi? :( |
| 09:40.21 | GeneralAntilles | Not I. |
| 09:40.43 | Dasajev | \o |
| 09:42.51 | TPC | I saw this in a slashdot comment: |
| 09:42.53 | TPC | The N800 is underclocked because of battery life. The software running on the N810 will be available for the N800 in mid-November. Improvements in it allow the N800 to be clocked back to 400 MHz, which will supposedly happen with the update. |
| 09:42.57 | TPC | is it true? |
| 09:43.10 | timeless | yes |
| 09:43.24 | TPC | ok |
| 09:43.49 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe, yet another reason the N810 is a waste of money. |
| 09:43.53 | flip^ | ooh, really? |
| 09:43.59 | flip^ | they're going to magically clock the n800 up? |
| 09:44.10 | timeless | there's actually a lot of magic involved |
| 09:44.11 | suihkulokki | pure, black magic |
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| 09:44.22 | timeless | it dynamically changes the clock speed based on load |
| 09:44.25 | timeless | or something |
| 09:44.25 | _Monkey | i think something is wacky here |
| 09:44.29 | flip^ | btw, is there any way at all to at least view a Word file with most formatting in tact on a n800? |
| 09:44.32 | timeless | _monkey forget something |
| 09:44.33 | _Monkey | timeless: I forgot something |
| 09:44.35 | GeneralAntilles | There's a little leprechaun in the next firmware update. |
| 09:44.39 | timeless | _monkey something is <reply> |
| 09:44.40 | _Monkey | OK, timeless. |
| 09:45.09 | suihkulokki | timeless: why are asking for people in .fi on irc, when you are sitting in the people in .fi =) |
| 09:47.24 | timeless | because it's not work relaed |
| 09:47.57 | timeless | btw, my t key is mostly busted |
| 09:48.43 | GeneralAntilles | Time for a new keyboard? :P |
| 09:48.47 | GeneralAntilles | IBM Model M FTW |
| 09:49.30 | timeless | nah, time to ask IT for a new laptop :) |
| 09:49.38 | timeless | and i hate ibm keyboards, so i just want a new dell :) |
| 09:49.55 | GeneralAntilles | Or fix it yerself. |
| 09:50.02 | pupnik | TPC: according to docs posted yesterday 400mhz was possible long ago, given a lower DSP clock to save power. |
| 09:50.11 | pupnik | *posted here |
| 09:57.06 | timeless | yeah, basically you trade cpu speed for dsp speed |
| 09:57.27 | GeneralAntilles | Since I'm pretty much never using the DSP, sounds like a fair tradeoff. ;) |
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| 10:02.55 | pupnik | anyway it's curious that thoughtfix saw same bogomips figure - maybe it boots up at 333mhz |
| 10:04.08 | doublec | what US stores will be selling the N810? I'm in the states in December and might pick one up if I can. |
| 10:04.22 | doublec | Pretty much any big computer store? |
| 10:06.10 | GeneralAntilles | Not really |
| 10:06.21 | GeneralAntilles | Probably only CompUSA |
| 10:06.27 | GeneralAntilles | Could be more |
| 10:06.35 | GeneralAntilles | Since the N810 is supposed to be mainstream |
| 10:06.47 | GeneralAntilles | doublec, better off having buy.com ship you an N800 |
| 10:06.50 | GeneralAntilles | MUCH cheaper. |
| 10:07.05 | GeneralAntilles | Basically the same specs |
| 10:07.18 | GeneralAntilles | and unless you really need a keyboard. |
| 10:07.56 | pupnik | that's gambling with customs |
| 10:08.11 | GeneralAntilles | Is it really? |
| 10:08.16 | ptman | I think the keyboard will be very useful for chatting |
| 10:08.36 | ptman | I'm frustrated every time I have to use the on-screen keyboard on my N800 |
| 10:08.43 | GeneralAntilles | Actually, I should clarify, have buy.com ship an N800 to somebody you know in the states. |
| 10:08.47 | GeneralAntilles | and pick it up from them. |
| 10:08.53 | GeneralAntilles | Really, ptman? |
| 10:08.53 | Veggen | I think I might like the keyboard for writing text, too. Like emails, etc. |
| 10:08.58 | GeneralAntilles | On-screen board is great. |
| 10:09.04 | GeneralAntilles | Just gotta use your fingertips. |
| 10:09.05 | Veggen | And for terminal use. |
| 10:09.14 | ptman | no tactile feedback, I typo every 20 chars or so |
| 10:09.18 | pupnik | and non-hildon apps :) |
| 10:09.39 | ptman | and I use the terminal a lot |
| 10:09.58 | GeneralAntilles | There's always bluetooth keyboards. |
| 10:10.04 | ptman | basically the N800 is the first really attractive maemo device for me |
| 10:10.18 | ptman | and still I got the two other ones too |
| 10:10.25 | GeneralAntilles | I could get 2 N800s for the price of an N810 |
| 10:10.33 | ptman | GeneralAntilles: which are about as big as the device itself |
| 10:10.40 | doublec | I have an N800. I'm keen to try out the N810 too. |
| 10:10.47 | GeneralAntilles | and way more functional than a thumbboard. :P |
| 10:10.51 | doublec | I'll give the one I don't prefer as a gift :) |
| 10:11.02 | ptman | =) |
| 10:11.11 | ptman | I'll keep the N800 as a skype phone |
| 10:11.24 | ptman | shouldn't OS2008 support bluetooth headsets? |
| 10:11.28 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, my two 770s are couch/bed-puters. |
| 10:11.41 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, thoughtfix was using a BT headset on his tonight. |
| 10:12.05 | ptman | that's a really big improvement |
| 10:13.43 | GeneralAntilles | and you don't even have to buy an N810 to get it! :D |
| 10:14.07 | ptman | yeah, Nokia really learned from the 770 |
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| 10:14.32 | ptman | that's not so bad, is it? |
| 10:14.42 | GeneralAntilles | I'm anal. ;) |
| 10:14.58 | GeneralAntilles | I don't remember how I heard about the 770 way back in 2005, but I'm really glad I did. |
| 10:15.18 | ptman | isn't reading slashdot enough =P |
| 10:15.36 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, that was probably it. |
| 10:28.28 | lardman | morning all |
| 10:29.53 | GeneralAntilles | Hey |
| 10:31.34 | czr | mornin lardman |
| 10:32.33 | lardman | hi chaps |
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| 10:33.35 | Big_B | Hi lardman !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 10:34.00 | lardman | hi Big_B |
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| 10:40.56 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody has a good recommendation for a introduction to bash for absolute novices? |
| 10:41.03 | GeneralAntilles | I keep running across people that want to learn |
| 10:41.10 | GeneralAntilles | but haven't found a really good guide to link them to. |
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| 10:42.16 | Sebastius | wow, more people here than i expected :) |
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| 10:42.18 | Sebastius | hello! |
| 10:42.35 | ptman | GeneralAntilles: using or programming? |
| 10:42.41 | GeneralAntilles | Using |
| 10:42.53 | GeneralAntilles | Something for an absolute shell noob to learn with. |
| 10:43.01 | |tbb| | anyone succesfully get connected to a win 2003 server trough vpn over the n800? |
| 10:45.05 | TPC | the best way to learn bash is simply to try it |
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| 10:45.40 | Sebastius | Does anyone now a small script or program to download the latest PDF newspapers to my memorycard every morning? |
| 10:45.47 | Sebastius | (on a 770 |
| 10:46.00 | Sebastius | or perhaps some tips to make one myself |
| 10:46.24 | TPC | Sebastius, it would be site dependent, but pretty easy to make yourself |
| 10:46.26 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe, TPC, but it's not easy to start when all you get is "command not found" |
| 10:46.37 | cambba | does anyone have experience with evas or edje? |
| 10:46.50 | TPC | GeneralAntilles, instruct the user to do a ls /bin |
| 10:46.59 | TPC | he will have plenty of commands to play around with |
| 10:47.05 | TPC | just make sure he isn't root :P |
| 10:47.15 | GeneralAntilles | Pft |
| 10:47.18 | GeneralAntilles | I'd rather give them a guide. |
| 10:47.25 | Sebastius | TPC, yeah i know, every site uses a different url. Most are simply based on the date, one has the weekday (ie Monday) in it. |
| 10:47.28 | czr | 'advanced bash scripting guide' is pretty decent |
| 10:47.38 | czr | GeneralAntilles, google for that. it has plenty of examples |
| 10:47.43 | Sebastius | any direction you can point me in? |
| 10:47.49 | TPC | Sebastius, for myself I have a cron job running every morning |
| 10:48.01 | TPC | that rips the news from a radio stream |
| 10:48.08 | TPC | then scp:s it to my N800 |
| 10:48.09 | Sebastius | cool! |
| 10:48.25 | Sebastius | you use the PC in between? |
| 10:48.39 | TPC | yeah, the cron job that rips the stream is running on my desktop |
| 10:48.48 | TPC | then it encodes to vorbis, and scp:s to the N800 |
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| 10:48.58 | Sebastius | allright, thing is, most of the time I won't bother starting up my desktop |
| 10:49.16 | Sebastius | is there a way to do this entirely on the 770? |
| 10:49.18 | TPC | I have mine running at all times |
| 10:49.34 | TPC | I don't think there is a cron package for maemo |
| 10:49.53 | Sebastius | doesn't need to be cron'd, i'd gladly start the app manually |
| 10:49.59 | TPC | ah |
| 10:50.06 | TPC | well in that case a simple bash script will do it |
| 10:50.08 | Sebastius | i just don't want to navigate all over the world |
| 10:50.18 | lardman | still none of the lucky few with an n810 have provided dmesg output |
| 10:50.23 | lardman | grrr! |
| 10:50.39 | TPC | Sebastius, link me to the newspaper in question and I'll whip together something simple |
| 10:51.05 | Sebastius | TPC: PM |
| 10:51.40 | Sebastius | oh and thanks! |
| 10:52.19 | TPC | I haven't recived any PM |
| 10:52.46 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe, lardman, should been on this morning with thoughtfix. ;) |
| 10:53.41 | |tbb| | will the new os defintly unlock the n800 processor freq. limit |
| 10:54.04 | GeneralAntilles | 99% yes |
| 10:54.33 | Sebastius | TPC, that's weird |
| 10:54.44 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: he published that info? |
| 10:54.52 | Sebastius | anyway, the url is this: http://www.metropoint.com/ftp/20071019_MetroHolland.pdf |
| 10:54.54 | doublec | is your nick registered? |
| 10:55.01 | GeneralAntilles | He was doing a live demo of the device |
| 10:55.06 | doublec | only registered nicks can send/receive PM's can't they? |
| 10:55.07 | GeneralAntilles | you coulda asked for it, I'm sure |
| 10:55.08 | |tbb| | then that would harm the battery life? |
| 10:55.17 | GeneralAntilles | actually, try tabletblog.com and drop an e-mail. |
| 10:55.59 | GeneralAntilles | Much better energy-conserving procedures under OS2008, so, no |tbb|. |
| 10:56.03 | lardman | good idea |
| 10:56.25 | GeneralAntilles | or the guy on maemo-apps.org has one, too. |
| 10:58.06 | Sebastius | allright, registered |
| 10:59.06 | derf | Good morning lardman. How's the Vorbis dsp task coming along? |
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| 10:59.54 | lardman | hi derf |
| 11:00.12 | lardman | I've been trying to debug my first attempt |
| 11:00.25 | derf | Oooh, sweet. |
| 11:00.40 | lardman | in which I chopped up the processing so the ARM does the ogg stream side, then passes packets to the DSP to process in one go |
| 11:01.06 | lardman | but it's a bit more complex than that, as for some functions - header reading for setup, the DSP needs more than one packet |
| 11:01.33 | Big_B | Lardma : how to create and compile maemomm (C++) project on Eclipse IDE ???? |
| 11:01.39 | Big_B | lardman |
| 11:02.01 | lardman | anyway, it's a pita to debug on the DSP - I'm using dbg() which simply sends some text over to the ARM to display in dmesg output. But my dsptask is segfaulting the dsp kernel which kills the buffer |
| 11:02.08 | lardman | Big_B: no idea, sorry |
| 11:02.09 | Big_B | please give me a good tutorial link |
| 11:02.39 | lardman | So I was planning to compile it all on the ARM with some glue/emulation code to handle the dspgateway bit, then see what's causing the segfault, etc. |
| 11:02.55 | derf | Yeah... I once spent 8 hours debugging 20 lines of C++ on VxWorks because of similar problems. |
| 11:03.04 | derf | Embedded programming is "fun"! |
| 11:03.30 | lardman | But.... ssvb/Serge just sent me some code for an mp3 task, and it creates a thread and uses semaphores to get the data - this sounds far nicer (I'm not sure my chopping up of Tremor will work) |
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| 11:04.08 | lardman | so I've started another attempt to produce a threaded tremor for the DSP. Before that I need to work out why the mp3 task doesn't run though. So that's about where I'm at :) |
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| 11:05.39 | lardman | possibly a better description here: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/ plus links to the code (though not the chopped up code as if I can move away from this Neuros code I'd prefer that) |
| 11:06.23 | lardman | if I need to go the chopped up route, then I have permission to release it, but I do worry a bit about the mix of licenses and contributors so would prefer a clean(ish) room job |
| 11:06.33 | TPC | Sebastius, ah |
| 11:06.39 | TPC | Sebastius, well, that URL format makes it very easy |
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| 11:06.59 | TPC | assuming you have xterm and wget installed |
| 11:07.07 | TPC | just run this: wget http://www.metropoint.com/ftp/`date +%Y%m%d`_MetroHolland.pdf |
| 11:08.04 | Sebastius | cool :d |
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| 11:08.29 | TPC | make it an alias by putting this in .profile in the home dir |
| 11:08.39 | TPC | alias getnews='wget http://www.metropoint.com/ftp/`date +%Y%m%d`_MetroHolland.pdf' |
| 11:08.48 | Sebastius | and where does it download the file? |
| 11:09.14 | TPC | and you can just run getnews to get it (after restarting the xterm) |
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| 11:09.25 | TPC | it will download it to the current dir |
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| 11:10.26 | lardman | derf: there may be issues with theora on the n800 - I can't work out how to do framebuffer access yet... |
| 11:10.38 | lardman | derf: on the 770 framebuffer access works :) |
| 11:13.12 | derf | Well, I mean, if Nokia isn't using the dsp for color conversion and scaling, maybe we shouldn't be using the framebuffer on the N800. |
| 11:13.39 | Sebastius | TPC, i'm missing something, how do i edit the .profile file? |
| 11:14.32 | lardman | yes, I understand that they get better throughput decoding on the ARM than the DSP, but that's not to say one couldn't do just colourspace conversion on the DSP (arbitrary scaling is already supported on the N800 LCD controller) |
| 11:15.13 | derf | No, I think it'd be great. |
| 11:15.15 | derf | If it worked. |
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| 11:16.02 | lardman | derf: well I'm going to write a colourspace/scaling dsp task for Serge to test in mplayer with the 770, we'll see... |
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| 11:21.20 | doublec | is the 770 hardware quite different from the N800? |
| 11:22.03 | trenka | doublec: yes |
| 11:24.02 | lardman | doublec: but what exactly do you want to do? The DSPs are the same (for all I know anyway) for example |
| 11:24.43 | doublec | lardman: I was just curious - from what you said about being able to access the framebuffer on the 770 but not the N800 |
| 11:25.40 | lardman | ah, the 770 appears to have the framebuffer "exported" to the DSP, while the n800 doesn't |
| 11:25.56 | lardman | I think this is done in the DSP kernel (for which I don't have all the source) |
| 11:26.27 | lardman | But I think the issue is that I need to define a memory region to export it (in the n800, it's already done on the 770) and there's no room |
| 11:26.52 | lardman | I need to see if I can override the built-in memory regions |
| 11:27.31 | lardman | ~lart ITT advanced search - been sitting there doing nothing for ages |
| 11:27.32 | infobot | grabs a large, mis-shapened log, with squirrels, and beats ITT advanced search - been sitting there doing nothing until only the nuts remain ... which the squirrels run off with for ages |
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| 11:28.31 | lardman | :) |
| 11:28.46 | czr | hah |
| 11:29.09 | czr | maybe you should get the N810 and then attach it to the shark for lazer fun. |
| 11:29.25 | czr | I'm sure it would be more entertaining than the log-business |
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| 11:33.07 | sciboy | Still looking for a Jaiku invite. =P |
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| 11:33.43 | Sebastius | allright, i got a few lines of bash working. Can anyone give me a hint on how to make it a button or something on my 770, so that i don't have to start Xterm every morning? |
| 11:34.33 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, how do you bundle bash scripts into applications for the Application Menu? |
| 11:34.55 | lardman | same as a usual application I imagine, provide the .desktop file etc. |
| 11:35.10 | GeneralAntilles | OK, how do you do that? :D |
| 11:35.37 | lardman | Look in the scratchbox tutorial - it shows you how to create the necessary files |
| 11:36.22 | Sebastius | cool |
| 11:36.38 | Sebastius | final question (i hope), where is the MMC located in the linux tree? |
| 11:36.50 | lardman | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:36.58 | lardman | where X is 1 or 2 |
| 11:38.30 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: search for "The .desktop File" in http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial_bora.html#deployment |
| 11:38.45 | GeneralAntilles | Thanks, lardman. |
| 11:38.52 | lardman | np |
| 11:38.55 | Sebastius | yeah, thanks :d |
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| 11:52.08 | timely_changelog | "this may take a while" |
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| 11:53.59 | Astro | hi |
| 11:54.10 | Astro | how can I build the whole system from source? |
| 11:54.50 | czr | Astro, what do you mean by 'system'? |
| 11:55.05 | czr | and why. |
| 11:55.27 | GeneralAntilles | There's binary-only stuff on the device. |
| 11:55.31 | Astro | oh |
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| 11:56.14 | Astro | I'm yet undecided - is there a way to try Maemo in qemu? |
| 11:57.22 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno, but I can recommend it. |
| 11:57.34 | GeneralAntilles | Just don't bother with the N810 unless you really need the kebyoard |
| 11:57.39 | GeneralAntilles | N800 from buy.com is much cheaper. |
| 11:57.40 | czr | GeneralAntilles, where's your pedantry now? it's maemo :-) |
| 11:58.02 | czr | Astro, maemo is not a device emulator. it's just the SDK. so you won't be able to use it for pretty much anything else than building software |
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| 11:59.13 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe, I didn't realize I had pedantry. :D |
| 12:00.13 | sxpert-work | the keyboard and integrated GPS makes all the difference to me |
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| 12:01.05 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, maybe, but not at twice the price. >_> |
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| 12:01.31 | TPC | even if they were both the same price I would still get the N800 |
| 12:01.42 | czr | GeneralAntilles, 770 vs N770 :-) |
| 12:01.47 | GeneralAntilles | Especially when you consider that bluetooth GPS is much more accurate and a bluetooth keyboard is much easier to type on. |
| 12:02.01 | TPC | because I have tons of SD cards |
| 12:02.02 | lardman | I want built-in kb |
| 12:02.09 | TPC | and the 810 can only use minisd |
| 12:02.11 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe, true enough, czr. |
| 12:02.14 | TPC | so all my SD cards would be useless |
| 12:02.20 | lardman | each to their own |
| 12:02.22 | alterego | TPC, useless with what? |
| 12:02.24 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah dual-SDHC is a big advantage, too. |
| 12:02.33 | GeneralAntilles | The fullscreen keyboard is quite good for me. |
| 12:02.40 | alterego | The N810 handles full size SD cards. |
| 12:02.44 | czr | I find it quite painful |
| 12:02.50 | TPC | alterego, no it doesn't |
| 12:02.55 | alterego | That's not what the spec says. |
| 12:02.57 | TPC | at least not according to nokias website |
| 12:03.15 | alterego | The spec is somewhat vague but it says that you can use mini/micro SD cards with an adapter. |
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| 12:03.26 | GeneralAntilles | No, alterego, it's MiniSD only |
| 12:03.31 | TPC | alterego, it says that you can use mini, or micro with adapter |
| 12:03.32 | alterego | Shit. |
| 12:03.39 | alterego | Oh well :) |
| 12:03.43 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, thoughtfix did a demo this morning |
| 12:03.45 | GeneralAntilles | It was quite clear. |
| 12:03.56 | alterego | I guess if I get accepted to the device program I'll use the N800 as a mobile storage unit ;) |
| 12:04.01 | timely_changelog | alterego: i have a proto right here, it doesn't accept sd |
| 12:04.12 | alterego | timely_changelog, right, my mistake I guess ;) |
| 12:04.23 | TPC | and storage is much more important than GPS or keyboard |
| 12:04.29 | TPC | which is why I'll stick to the N800 |
| 12:04.41 | TPC | besides, I already have a bluetooth GPS |
| 12:04.43 | alterego | Yeah, the two SD cards in the N800 are a huge benifit. |
| 12:04.44 | sxpert-work | TPC: it all depends on your usage |
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| 12:04.49 | TPC | sxpert-work, yep |
| 12:04.58 | sxpert-work | TPC: I intend to use it as a surveying station. |
| 12:05.20 | sxpert-work | so storage is less important than the compactness from integrated gps/keyboard |
| 12:06.03 | alterego | To be honest, for me, capacity is more important than what the media format is .. |
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| 12:06.15 | alterego | So, as long as I can get good size mini SD cards I'm happy. |
| 12:06.19 | GeneralAntilles | MiniSD < SD |
| 12:06.34 | GeneralAntilles | 4GB is what's reasonably available right now |
| 12:06.35 | sxpert-work | I have yet to fill up the 1G micro-sd I have in my garmin GPS |
| 12:06.36 | TPC | well, my other devices use SD |
| 12:06.38 | GeneralAntilles | versus 16GB |
| 12:06.41 | TPC | the camera for example |
| 12:06.56 | TPC | having all devices use the same format is an advantage |
| 12:07.11 | alterego | TPC, you should be able to run an external USB card reader through USB on the device. |
| 12:07.11 | TPC | one of the things I use my N800 for is as a larger screen to view the pictures I took with my camera |
| 12:07.27 | TPC | alterego, where did you get that idea? |
| 12:07.28 | timely_changelog | tpc: does your camera support usb? |
| 12:07.31 | alterego | Without a powered hub. |
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| 12:07.45 | alterego | TPC, if you enable OTG host mode using the kernel sources. |
| 12:07.57 | TPC | timely_changelog, yes |
| 12:08.05 | alterego | Get/make a USB sex changer cable. |
| 12:08.13 | alterego | And you're sorted. |
| 12:08.19 | lardman | sex changer! |
| 12:08.19 | TPC | I suppose that would work |
| 12:08.28 | lardman | gender changer? |
| 12:08.33 | TPC | but putting in the card is faster |
| 12:08.34 | GeneralAntilles | Bow chika wow wow |
| 12:08.40 | TPC | and I don't have to have both devices up |
| 12:08.41 | alterego | lardman, there's a difference? |
| 12:09.02 | GeneralAntilles | Gender is a personality thing, while sex is a biological/genetic thing. :P |
| 12:09.09 | lardman | alterego: not really, but it should be called a gender changer, sex changes are a bit different... :D |
| 12:09.27 | alterego | lardman, sex and gender mean the same thing in this context :P |
| 12:09.31 | lardman | yes |
| 12:09.45 | lardman | just sounds strange :) |
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| 12:09.54 | celesteh | the term "gender changer" is problematic |
| 12:10.07 | lardman | how so? |
| 12:10.23 | celesteh | well, for the reasons you guys just went over |
| 12:10.46 | lardman | oh I see, I thought there was a problem with "gender" |
| 12:10.53 | celesteh | some folks find the whole labelling of cables as male and female to be offensive, but i don't quite understand their viewpoint |
| 12:11.26 | lardman | ire they the same people who don't use the useful gender spcific terms actor and actress? :) |
| 12:11.32 | alterego | I bet I'm gonna be really unlucky and not get accepted into the device program. |
| 12:11.51 | alterego | 500 units and god knows how many applicants ^_^ |
| 12:12.06 | celesteh | well, *i* don't use such terms, so it's not a complete overlap |
| 12:12.07 | czr | replicants |
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| 12:12.18 | czr | hey alterego |
| 12:12.24 | lardman | 500 is quite a few actually. Didn't they have 200 last time? |
| 12:12.29 | alterego | Hey czr, how are you doing this fine day? |
| 12:12.29 | timely_changelog | there aren't 5000 garage projects |
| 12:12.39 | timely_changelog | there aren't 500 garage projects |
| 12:12.51 | timely_changelog | so i don't see any reason to complain or worry, just apply |
| 12:12.53 | alterego | timely_changelog, it's open to everyone not just developers. |
| 12:13.04 | czr | alterego, so far so good. or something. didn't sleep too much, but still going on strong |
| 12:13.05 | timely_changelog | not true |
| 12:13.07 | timely_changelog | I can't get one |
| 12:13.15 | lardman | your a Nokian? |
| 12:13.15 | timely_changelog | (Nokians are explicitly banned) |
| 12:13.20 | alterego | timely_changelog, probably because you're a Nokian :P |
| 12:13.40 | alterego | timely_changelog, what are you complaining about you get your units for free :P |
| 12:13.54 | timely_changelog | I'm not complaining, merely noting |
| 12:13.58 | alterego | ;) |
| 12:14.05 | alterego | Heh |
| 12:14.22 | alterego | czr, you still working on the documentation? |
| 12:17.12 | czr | bloody yes sir |
| 12:17.34 | czr | had to redo about 1/3 of the already published stuff (I wasn't working on that before) |
| 12:17.48 | czr | but at least the first part seems in better shape now |
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| 12:20.08 | lardman | wha-hey I see a gap in the n800's memory entry table, framebuffer here we come |
| 12:21.21 | czr | alterego, when will you throw out the final version out of the window? |
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| 12:23.33 | lardman | thanks czr |
| 12:24.28 | alterego | czr, any time now ;) |
| 12:25.00 | alterego | I'm working on making ruby-osso more rubyesque. |
| 12:25.09 | alterego | And documentat/tests |
| 12:25.20 | czr | cool |
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| 12:43.48 | Sebastius | a question, i've made a bash script executable. To have it in my Task Navigator, do i only have to make a shortcut or something? Oh, on a N770 btw :P. I've tried reading the mameo application tutorial, but am a bit lost with it. |
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| 13:06.43 | db48x | sp3000: got a second? |
| 13:06.50 | timely_changelog | why would someone want to fork maemo mapper? |
| 13:07.01 | sp3000 | db48x? |
| 13:07.21 | db48x | sp3000: what's the easiest way to make the n800 not suspend while it's on ac power? |
| 13:07.49 | sp3000 | db48x: suspend as in what symptom |
| 13:08.12 | db48x | as in the screen goes dark, and I can no longer interact with it via VNC |
| 13:08.45 | |tbb| | search acmonitor on itt forum |
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| 13:09.35 | db48x | |tbb|: cool, I'll check that out |
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| 13:12.15 | Jaffa | timely_changelog: IIRC, the maemo mapper source code /was/ one big .c file |
| 13:12.51 | TPC | I read somewhere that maemo mappers source code would be split into multiple files for version 2.0 |
| 13:13.09 | alterego | They're unhappy with how it works? |
| 13:13.09 | alterego | Have a major feature they want to implement. |
| 13:13.10 | alterego | Who knows :P |
| 13:13.29 | TPC | would be easier to just make a patch |
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| 13:16.05 | db48x | hmm |
| 13:16.10 | db48x | acmonitor doesn't quite do it |
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| 13:16.23 | alterego | db48x, if you're writing a program to do it you can use the osso API it has a function that keeps the backlight on. |
| 13:16.32 | alterego | Though you have to call it every 60 seconds. |
| 13:16.36 | czr | alterego, I actually just wrote one :-) |
| 13:16.37 | db48x | hrm |
| 13:16.43 | czr | part of the part2 of the material actually. |
| 13:16.52 | alterego | :) |
| 13:17.14 | |tbb| | you can set it with gconf hack |
| 13:17.23 | db48x | all I want to do is run this thing unattended, but I suppose I can leave a very simple program running |
| 13:17.31 | sp3000 | timely_changelog: ooh, a "let's do a source reorg" fork! :D |
| 13:17.35 | sp3000 | those are the best |
| 13:19.09 | derf | db48x: What part does acmonitor not quite do? |
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| 13:19.09 | db48x | derf: it still suspends |
| 13:19.09 | db48x | |tbb|: details? |
| 13:19.28 | derf | You're supposed to set a really long timeout. |
| 13:19.32 | hell | hi. Are there any compilation of docs about maemo? I want to read they in train, no inet... |
| 13:19.44 | derf | Or presumably a timeout of 0 would disable it. |
| 13:20.10 | db48x | that's worth a try |
| 13:20.13 | Tak | I don't think a 0 timeout works... |
| 13:20.25 | derf | All acmonitor does is maintain separate settings for AC and battery power. |
| 13:20.28 | derf | You still have to actually set them. |
| 13:20.56 | db48x | derf: I understand that |
| 13:20.58 | |tbb| | with gconf u can set the timeout |
| 13:21.23 | db48x | the point is that I want it to stay on forever, so that I don't have to interact with it every so often |
| 13:21.52 | TPC | if someone makes an app like that I would be interested in it as well |
| 13:22.16 | TPC | thats how my old pda worked, if it was on AC the screen remained on unless you turned it off manually |
| 13:22.54 | derf | Well you could probably set it to over 500 hours without problems. |
| 13:23.09 | derf | How close an approximation of "forever" do you need? |
| 13:23.12 | db48x | ok, but then I have to remember to touch it every 500 hours |
| 13:23.18 | db48x | until I unplug it |
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| 13:23.41 | derf | If you can't manage to touch it once a month... |
| 13:24.17 | db48x | I agree that this isn't exactly a typical usage pattern |
| 13:25.07 | Tak | easy enough to make an applet that sets a timer for 59s |
| 13:25.24 | derf | Anyway, "500 hours" assumes they internally keep it as milliseconds. |
| 13:25.44 | derf | If it's actually used as seconds, you can go up to about 60 years. |
| 13:26.00 | GeneralAntilles | I'm not sure why "Never" isn't an option in settings |
| 13:27.05 | Tak | probably because there's not an easy way to do that with the gconf value |
| 13:27.34 | db48x | well, a timeout of 0 wouldn't make much sense when interpreted literally |
| 13:27.57 | mik_ | pupnik: toolbar as pgup doesnÄÄ't work in ssh + screen + irssi |
| 13:28.06 | db48x | in fact it won't let you set the timeout to less than a minute |
| 13:28.18 | mik_ | can anyone show me how to send a pg-up in irssi in screen in ssh in xterminal to scroll up? |
| 13:28.22 | derf | db48x: Yes it will. |
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| 13:29.45 | db48x | derf: it won't let me select '30 seconds' or '1 minute', so that seems like a natural conclusion :) |
| 13:29.46 | Tak | http://rafb.net/p/ztKqUf12.html |
| 13:30.00 | db48x | anyway |
| 13:30.03 | derf | Funny. It lets me select them. |
| 13:30.08 | derf | Sounds like a personal problem to me. |
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| 13:33.19 | czr | derf, maybe you just think it lets you select them.. |
| 13:33.56 | hell | so, there are no pdf docs available, only on site? |
| 13:33.58 | db48x | ok, I used gconf to add a few mor values, but it won't let me select 0 for the blank timeout |
| 13:34.50 | derf | czr: I also probably just think I can count to ten and then it dims the display. |
| 13:35.11 | czr | derf, funny thing. me too |
| 13:35.18 | db48x | bah, busybox doesn't have fc |
| 13:36.58 | db48x | ahh, I see |
| 13:37.18 | db48x | it disables any selections in the blank time dropdown that are smaller than your selection in the dim time dropdown |
| 13:38.36 | derf | Yes. |
| 13:39.09 | derf | However, setting it to 0 does not appear to actually work. |
| 13:39.12 | derf | It still dims at 10. |
| 13:39.36 | db48x | yea |
| 13:39.37 | Tak | yeah - I tried that |
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| 13:43.11 | sciboy | Hmmm |
| 13:43.38 | db48x | oops |
| 13:43.54 | db48x | I accidentally copied an x86-64 firefox to my n800 |
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| 13:44.59 | sciboy | Heh |
| 13:45.03 | jumpula | copy qemu too, and run the firefox from there :) |
| 13:45.28 | jumpula | (don't know if they have support for emulating x86_64 from arm, though) |
| 13:45.41 | db48x | heh, that'd be fun |
| 13:46.29 | dpb_ | lol |
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| 13:54.55 | timely_changelog | sp3000: fwiw, i'm slowly fixing http://swift/~timeless/blog/news/9/ |
| 13:55.11 | timely_changelog | atm, that has a list of all the changes i expect to mention |
| 13:55.27 | timely_changelog | if it looks like something obvious is missing, please send me an email (or poke me monday?) |
| 13:55.41 | timely_changelog | for everyone else, here are 549 lines in the document |
| 13:56.09 | timely_changelog | 400 of them need to be replaced with English |
| 13:56.33 | timely_changelog | i think if i'm lucky, i'll be done in 2 business days (wednesday morning) |
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| 13:59.39 | derf | db48x: So, if you set your dim timeout to 0, then reboot the device, it appears to work. |
| 13:59.58 | Tak | wow, really? |
| 14:00.11 | derf | It's been sitting here a few minutes and it hasn't dimmed yet. |
| 14:00.19 | Tak | does it need to be a hard reboot? (e.g. unplugged) |
| 14:00.31 | derf | Oh, wait, there it went. |
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| 14:00.36 | derf | I wonder what the actual timeout is now. |
| 14:00.38 | Tak | heh, doh! |
| 14:00.59 | Tak | rand() * rand() |
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| 14:04.16 | db48x | yea, I already tried that |
| 14:04.30 | db48x | it seemed to use 2 minutes and 5 minutes |
| 14:04.47 | derf | Yeah. |
| 14:05.06 | derf | Well, I mean, 60 years should be enough, right? |
| 14:05.20 | db48x | so either it remembered the previous settings, or those are the defaults |
| 14:05.45 | derf | No, those are the defaults. |
| 14:05.51 | derf | Because that is not what mine were set to previously. |
| 14:06.03 | db48x | either way it's already special-casing 0 seconds, so we should see about changing the behavior |
| 14:06.39 | derf | File a bug! |
| 14:07.44 | guardian | who's using sardine ? is there the new hildon input method framework in sardine ? |
| 14:09.00 | guardian | yeah from 2006 |
| 14:09.23 | db48x | heh |
| 14:09.25 | sp3000 | db48x: bug 425 fwiw |
| 14:09.25 | _Monkey | Bug 425 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=425 |
| 14:09.33 | db48x | it doesn't convert the time into years |
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| 14:09.42 | sp3000 | the monkey should learn to summarize bugs or something |
| 14:09.44 | db48x | I have to set it to 5256000 minutes |
| 14:09.49 | sp3000 | not to mention report changes perhaps? |
| 14:10.10 | sp3000 | it's not like we have so much it would flood :) |
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| 14:40.49 | DRoBeR | MiaO |
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| 14:43.43 | czr | sp3000, I can make more bugs! |
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| 14:43.52 | czr | seriously, summarization would be nice |
| 14:43.56 | czr | also new bug reports |
| 14:44.47 | sp3000 | we should bribe wolf into running a mozbot :P |
| 14:46.54 | Sebastius | anyone here who is a bit more familiar with Bash scripting than me? |
| 14:48.32 | pupnik | Sebastius: you can launch bash scripts from menu with load-applet-run or osso-statusbar-cpu programs |
| 14:48.36 | pupnik | load-applet-run |
| 14:48.37 | _Monkey | load-applet-run is John Costigan's awesome toolbar applet to monitor cpu and launch programs: http://gnuite.com:8080/nokia770/ |
| 14:48.43 | pupnik | osso-statusbar-cpu |
| 14:48.43 | _Monkey | somebody said osso-statusbar-cpu was at http://www.maemo-hackers.org/wiki/OssoStatusbarCpu |
| 14:49.03 | Sebastius | cool! thanks |
| 14:49.59 | pupnik | for logging purposes, it's "thanks pupnik!" :) |
| 14:50.13 | Sebastius | another question, in Basic (yeah i know) there is the 'Case' statement, so you can check a variable against a number of possible outcomes (monday, tuesday etc), and selecting apropriate actions after that. Is there a bash equivalent? |
| 14:50.17 | Sebastius | Thanks pupnik! |
| 14:50.18 | GeneralAntilles | Happen to have a link for the combined memory/CPU history app with clock overlay? |
| 14:50.39 | pupnik | that's osso-statusbar-copu |
| 14:51.09 | sp3000 | Sebastius: well you can rule out monday |
| 14:51.15 | sp3000 | and most of friday |
| 14:51.16 | GeneralAntilles | Thanks, pupnik! |
| 14:51.21 | sp3000 | and definitely saturday |
| 14:51.39 | Sebastius | thanks sp3000! |
| 14:51.40 | sp3000 | and at that point, well... |
| 14:51.40 | Sebastius | :P |
| 14:52.03 | sp3000 | but yes, sh has case |
| 14:52.11 | czr | Sebastius, why didn't you look for the guide I gave you the name of? |
| 14:52.21 | czr | Sebastius, yes, there is. it's called 'case'. "help case" |
| 14:52.43 | pupnik | yes case "$var" in / value1) / command1; / ;; / value2) / command2; / *) / commanddefault; / ;; / esac |
| 14:52.46 | Sebastius | thanks czr, guess i missed something |
| 14:52.59 | czr | Sebastius, google for 'advanced bash scripting guide'. it has a lot of examples |
| 14:53.06 | pupnik | but does busybox ash have it? |
| 14:53.12 | czr | case? sure. |
| 14:53.40 | czr | at least it should. I think it's mandated by posix. |
| 14:53.44 | pupnik | forgot a ;; after command2; |
| 14:54.15 | Sebastius | guys, thanks for the great help :) |
| 14:54.47 | pupnik | i dno't know if that will work on the device tho |
| 14:57.43 | Sebastius | i really love this 770 already, got it yesterday. The possibilities are endless (well, with the low memory popping up every now and then...) |
| 14:58.45 | zeenix | Sebastius: i wonder what would you think of N810 :) |
| 14:58.56 | Sebastius | better? |
| 14:59.05 | czr | even more endless possibilities |
| 14:59.16 | GeneralAntilles | Sebastius, I recommend upgrading to 2007HE if you haven't |
| 14:59.18 | czr | lardman, the padding didn't help? |
| 14:59.37 | Sebastius | 2007HE? |
| 14:59.37 | _Monkey | 2007HE is really great |
| 14:59.53 | lardman | czr: too much, ran out of TLBs |
| 14:59.54 | Sebastius | i've got 2006 from nokia? |
| 15:00.01 | czr | lardman, argh. that hurts |
| 15:00.14 | czr | lardman, all TLBs are spoken for already? |
| 15:00.20 | czr | or you were joking? :-) |
| 15:00.25 | lardman | no really |
| 15:00.30 | czr | damn. that sucks. |
| 15:00.36 | lardman | it could only allocate ~5 more, then failed |
| 15:00.50 | lardman | but it must be possible to use one of the already-mapped regions |
| 15:00.51 | Sebastius | GeneralAntilles, 2007HE? |
| 15:00.55 | lardman | I just can't get it to work correctly |
| 15:01.46 | lardman | This is for the DSP |
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| 15:02.33 | GeneralAntilles | Sebastius, http://os2007on770.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 15:02.42 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, swap is also a good idea. |
| 15:02.51 | GeneralAntilles | Will clear up pretty much all of those memory erros. |
| 15:04.58 | Sebastius | What would be the advantage from jumping away from a stable 2006 to a HE2007? |
| 15:05.32 | Tak | more software, better thumb support |
| 15:05.59 | Sebastius | and how stable/unstable is 2007 for 770? |
| 15:06.11 | GeneralAntilles | Faster |
| 15:06.16 | GeneralAntilles | It works well for me |
| 15:06.25 | GeneralAntilles | Definitely more unexpected reboots than 2006 |
| 15:06.33 | GeneralAntilles | but the extra speedup and features are worth it. |
| 15:06.36 | Sebastius | it's actually faster? wow that would be welcome. |
| 15:07.02 | Tak | hmm - I experience fewer unexpected reboots |
| 15:08.41 | Sebastius | can i flash back to 2006 if i have too many troubles? |
| 15:10.30 | Tak | sure |
| 15:14.40 | lardman | shame to see that the powervr mbx isn't currently used in the n810 |
| 15:14.50 | lardman | and that the memory bandwidth issue remains |
| 15:15.55 | pupnik | it's a n800 with gps and keyboard, i think the lateral move is good |
| 15:16.06 | Tak | lardman: yeah |
| 15:16.30 | Tak | pupnik: yeah...would have been nice if they'd fixed some acknowledged hw mistakes, though |
| 15:16.35 | lardman | but it has new software (I'd hoped that powervr would be enabled) and runs faster (I'd hoped that the memory bandwidth problems would be reduced by this) |
| 15:16.39 | alterego | That is a shame, but there are signs on the horizon that it will be working one of these days. :) |
| 15:16.45 | alterego | How about a maemo google earth folks ;) |
| 15:16.54 | lardman | :) |
| 15:17.05 | Tak | I demand Google Yoggoth! |
| 15:17.10 | alterego | With the GPS that would be amazing. |
| 15:17.11 | lardman | I think a nice accelerated Quake would be pretty cool, esp with a keyboard :) |
| 15:17.18 | alterego | Heh |
| 15:17.23 | alterego | I'm not much of a gamer anymore. |
| 15:17.30 | alterego | The only game I seem to play now-a-days is netris ^_^ |
| 15:17.42 | lardman | nor am I, but it would be cool :) |
| 15:17.54 | alterego | Quake II would be better :P |
| 15:18.09 | GeneralAntilles | Heck, with PowerVR, we might even be able to run Quake III |
| 15:18.10 | alterego | Could hold maemo death matches ^_^ |
| 15:18.14 | pupnik | "For this I optimized the RGB->YUY2 conversion a fair bit, and I'm now getting higher fps with it at 400x240 than with the XSP pixel doubliing, so the XSP doubling has been removed." - ZerionSeven |
| 15:18.28 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: I think that's one of their demos isn't it? |
| 15:18.53 | lardman | pupnik: where's that from? |
| 15:19.03 | GeneralAntilles | The quetoo thread. |
| 15:19.13 | pupnik | ZerionSeven seems to claim he's running the framebuffer in YUV2 mode |
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| 15:19.28 | pupnik | which afaik is possible but surprising, since i haven't seen it done before |
| 15:19.44 | alterego | I don't even know what that means. |
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| 15:20.08 | alterego | Heck, I'll do it now. |
| 15:20.35 | lardman | pupnik: that's how mplayer works |
| 15:20.38 | lardman | I think... |
| 15:21.21 | pupnik | i haven't looked into it much, but if it means less bits per pixel, it could be an effective trick to bypass framebuffer bandwidth issues |
| 15:21.56 | lardman | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine?do=post_view_printable;post=19711;list=maemo |
| 15:21.56 | alterego | Ah |
| 15:24.12 | pupnik | i read the thread |
| 15:25.00 | lardman | :) |
| 15:25.29 | alterego | I really like the profile idea on maemo.org |
| 15:26.00 | alterego | Makes a me feel more a part of the community :) |
| 15:27.07 | DRoBeR | Nice nick name, Alter ego. :) |
| 15:27.22 | czr | it makes you feel like someone is profiling you. :-) |
| 15:27.22 | alterego | Thank you :) |
| 15:27.33 | DRoBeR | Have you studied latin? |
| 15:27.41 | alterego | No, not really. |
| 15:27.48 | alterego | Why do you ask? |
| 15:27.55 | czr | you don't seem yourself? :-) |
| 15:28.34 | DRoBeR | Just, curiosity. I'm Spanish and I never studied it... it is a pity ... lot of Spanish people done it. |
| 15:28.43 | alterego | Ah |
| 15:29.01 | alterego | I've always been interested in Latin, maybe one day I'll learn it. |
| 15:30.49 | DRoBeR | Hehe, It is not than easy as I though long time ago but I still like it. I know just few words and sentences. I'm thinking about buying a good book but there's only French, German and English books for learning... it sucks |
| 15:31.17 | alterego | Yeah, French, German and English suck. |
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| 15:32.10 | Yusei- | hi, is this the good place to ask stupid questions about installing software on an n800 ? |
| 15:32.24 | alterego | As good as any :) |
| 15:32.26 | mgedmin | there are no stupid questions |
| 15:32.42 | czr | alterego, you took the words out of my mouth. literally :-). although my smiley would have been different.. |
| 15:32.50 | alterego | Heh |
| 15:32.59 | alterego | Maybe we're spending too much time together ;) |
| 15:33.06 | czr | maybe we are. stop following me! |
| 15:33.10 | alterego | Hah |
| 15:33.27 | Yusei- | I've been trying to install Kagu but I've got dependencies problems |
| 15:33.33 | Yusei- | the package manager doesn't find libsdl |
| 15:33.41 | alterego | Interesting. |
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| 15:33.50 | Yusei- | si I must be missing a repository |
| 15:34.03 | pupnik | repositories? |
| 15:34.04 | _Monkey | repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php |
| 15:34.15 | mgedmin | mhm |
| 15:34.56 | mgedmin | libsdl1.2 comes from http://repository.maemo.org |
| 15:35.05 | Yusei- | thanks, and how can I add repositories to the package manager ? |
| 15:35.15 | mgedmin | don't know if that's the SDK one or the Extras one |
| 15:35.30 | Yusei- | well, that's a stupid question, I suppose the default user is root and can edit the sources |
| 15:35.46 | mgedmin | no |
| 15:35.52 | pupnik | you can add repositories in package manager as normal user |
| 15:35.53 | mgedmin | there's a menu in the application manager |
| 15:35.59 | pupnik | s/package/applicatino |
| 15:36.12 | Yusei- | I see, thank you |
| 15:36.18 | pupnik | maybe this is python sdl? |
| 15:36.20 | Yusei- | I'm having trouble remembering there is a menu |
| 15:36.22 | Yusei- | :) |
| 15:37.52 | mgedmin | okay, libsdl1.2 is in the SDK repository |
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| 15:38.29 | Yusei- | oh and something else... when I mount the device I can read and write the memory card, but is there a way to mount the device's internal memory ? |
| 15:39.05 | mgedmin | it's already mounted |
| 15:39.20 | mgedmin | python2.5-pygame, which kagu needs, is in the maemo extras repository |
| 15:39.24 | Yusei- | I mean when I plug it into my computer |
| 15:39.31 | mgedmin | and so's kagu |
| 15:39.39 | mgedmin | Yusei-: no, you can't |
| 15:39.45 | Yusei- | ok, thanks |
| 15:39.46 | mgedmin | well, you could do it over the network |
| 15:39.48 | mgedmin | e.g. I use sshfs for that |
| 15:39.56 | Yusei- | I see |
| 15:40.49 | mgedmin | the restriction comes from the USB mass storage interface: you can't have two filesystem drivers access the same block device at the same time |
| 15:40.53 | alterego | sshfs is the win! |
| 15:40.57 | mgedmin | that it is |
| 15:41.08 | alterego | I like the gnomevfs integration too. |
| 15:41.33 | alterego | Though, unfortunately the gnomevfs implementation is a bit limited compared to the proper fuse sshfs. |
| 15:44.58 | alterego | I've never had that problem. |
| 15:45.05 | alterego | How does it crash? |
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| 15:48.18 | DRoBeR | "<alterego> Yeah, French, German and English suck." haha |
| 15:48.24 | DRoBeR | Aren't you English? :) |
| 15:48.28 | alterego | I am yes ;) |
| 15:48.39 | DRoBeR | Don't you like your language? |
| 15:48.44 | alterego | It's okay. |
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| 15:49.12 | alterego | I don't really know much about linguistics to know what makes a good spoken language ;) |
| 15:49.35 | alterego | All I know is there's a lot of crap in the dictionary and Americans don't spell or talk English. |
| 15:49.58 | DRoBeR | Do you know "Apertium" project? :) It is a translator tool. You can find lot of nice people who like languages in that room. |
| 15:50.09 | DRoBeR | hahaha |
| 15:50.22 | alterego | Cool. |
| 15:50.32 | DRoBeR | alterego, which country of America you said? ;P |
| 15:50.34 | pupnik | or join #lojban |
| 15:50.40 | DRoBeR | I don't know a country called America. :) |
| 15:50.47 | alterego | Heh |
| 15:51.01 | alterego | Yeah, what's an American? |
| 15:51.03 | alterego | :) |
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| 15:51.24 | alterego | Appearantly the French _really_ dislike Americans, what's it like in Spain? |
| 15:51.53 | celesteh | I lived in Paris a couple of years ago and did not find myself especially disliked |
| 15:52.02 | Yusei- | I have to disagree, many french people unexplicably like americans |
| 15:52.11 | alterego | Maybe that's just Paris :) |
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| 15:52.31 | celesteh | Well, they want people to try to conform to their idea of social roles |
| 15:52.37 | alterego | Strange, I was talking to a couple of American folk last night and they didn't feel welcome at all. |
| 15:52.41 | lardman | pupnik: do you know why/how the xsp scaling can be slower than RGB->YUY2 conversion? |
| 15:52.44 | celesteh | but when you fail to, and you're american, it can be amusing for them |
| 15:53.05 | celesteh | nobody is outgoing. they have trouble making friends themselves if they move |
| 15:53.12 | celesteh | so, no, you wouldn't feel "welcome" |
| 15:53.16 | alterego | Ah |
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| 15:53.21 | DRoBeR | alterego, I don't dislike "americans" |
| 15:53.34 | celesteh | it takes a LONG time to establish a social circle |
| 15:53.37 | alterego | They also seem to expect you to speak French, I mean really .. Who speaks French now-a-days :) |
| 15:53.40 | DRoBeR | I dislike the use of that word to talk about "usa people" |
| 15:53.41 | lardman | pupnik: is this some issue with the Xserver code surrounding the pixel scaling call, or a bandwidth issue of using the RGB rather than YUY2 format? |
| 15:53.41 | pupnik | no but he's saying he's running a 400x240 YUV2 window, which i don't understand. |
| 15:53.43 | celesteh | and if you're not fluent in french, that's an additional border |
| 15:53.45 | kpel | hi guys |
| 15:54.04 | lardman | pupnik: the lcd controller accepts that format |
| 15:54.18 | pupnik | yes, but he implies it does pixel doubling in that format, yes? |
| 15:54.27 | alterego | I like France :) |
| 15:54.40 | lardman | ah that's true, the lcd controller can do arbitrary scaling |
| 15:54.47 | lardman | on the n800 |
| 15:55.13 | alterego | I don't know much French but I used to go there a lot skiing. I also know this _really_ nice French girl. She's extremely pretty and really cool. |
| 15:55.25 | alterego | And the accent is kind of a turn on ^_^ |
| 15:56.06 | pupnik | if that's the case, i'd be curious to see about an extension to sdl that allows setting that video mode and transparently blitting to it with updaterect() |
| 15:56.07 | zoran | sshfs looks interesting; sftp could be similar |
| 15:57.02 | alterego | I mount my tablet with sshfs into my scratchbox environment. |
| 15:57.05 | lardman | pupnik: start patching! |
| 15:57.55 | zoran | I have a lot of remote ssh conns; could be handy to have them all in one dir |
| 15:58.19 | zoran | (subdirs, or course) |
| 15:58.27 | alterego | Yeah, I also use it to mount my /srv/vhosts directory on my server. |
| 15:58.48 | alterego | When I'm editing images that's exceptionally useful :) |
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| 15:59.31 | zoran | alterego, how it goes with graphics? |
| 15:59.53 | alterego | zoran, it means I can edit images that are stored on a remote server locally with the gimp. |
| 15:59.59 | alterego | It's just an access method. |
| 16:00.01 | zoran | huh! |
| 16:00.17 | alterego | Really useful when you're developing a site. |
| 16:00.21 | zoran | what is a traffic footprint? |
| 16:00.54 | alterego | Well, I've not had any speed issues. I've got a 2M connection. |
| 16:01.20 | zoran | I tried hp testdrive windows 2003 and used 1 Mb just to log in |
| 16:01.21 | alterego | Just don't do anything that involves particularly large files. |
| 16:01.28 | alterego | scp is better for transfering those kinds of things. |
| 16:01.36 | zoran | yes, and sftp |
| 16:01.59 | zoran | hp lets people to play woth their new servers |
| 16:02.02 | alterego | I've actually never used sftp, except through the gnome "connect to" facility. |
| 16:02.09 | zoran | I really like it |
| 16:02.20 | alterego | scp has always suited my needs :) |
| 16:02.28 | zoran | good enough |
| 16:02.29 | alterego | and sshfs is fantastic. |
| 16:02.43 | zoran | gonna try it out this days |
| 16:03.06 | lardman | have a nice weekend chaps |
| 16:03.18 | zoran | some older servers (plan9 or vms) does not let people use sftp |
| 16:03.31 | zoran | fs could be a way around |
| 16:03.40 | alterego | Interesting. |
| 16:03.49 | alterego | Do you deal a bit with Plan 9? |
| 16:03.58 | zoran | vax vms uses v 1 |
| 16:04.12 | alterego | Ah, can't you compile openssl/ssh ? |
| 16:04.14 | zoran | so I have no luck with dropbear |
| 16:04.39 | zoran | on vms it is a layer product |
| 16:04.58 | zoran | very proprietary, if you are open source soul |
| 16:06.02 | alterego | Ah |
| 16:06.16 | alterego | I'm one of those _everything_ should be open source people. |
| 16:06.24 | zoran | yep |
| 16:06.27 | alterego | I don't like it when things get in my way when I'm working on projects. |
| 16:06.52 | zoran | vms is so good, that people disregard that |
| 16:07.59 | alterego | I only deal with Linux now-a-days and it's pretty much all Debian. |
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| 16:08.12 | alterego | Except a NetBSD system I work on sometimes. |
| 16:08.16 | zoran | would be my linux choice |
| 16:08.53 | alterego | Yeah, I moved from Debian to Fedora but came back to debian a year or so ago and I'm wondering why I ever changed :) |
| 16:09.14 | zoran | they are two sides of universe, I think |
| 16:09.37 | pupnik | evil, and FOSS |
| 16:09.43 | zoran | :) |
| 16:09.48 | zoran | not in deed |
| 16:09.55 | alterego | I think I changed because I was interested to see what Fedora was like, I got given a new laptop so I installed it on that. It was comfortable so I kept with it for a while. |
| 16:10.58 | zoran | I had RH some years ago, till they became dynosaur |
| 16:11.36 | alterego | I found I was forever getting annoyed by RPM's and YUM. |
| 16:11.53 | zoran | yes, deb and apt-get sounds better |
| 16:12.05 | zoran | not for all around the globe |
| 16:12.29 | alterego | Yeah, |
| 16:12.30 | zoran | but freebsd way is even better |
| 16:12.41 | zoran | net and open bsd use it already |
| 16:12.48 | alterego | ports yeah. |
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| 16:12.54 | zoran | and some linuces |
| 16:12.57 | alterego | I've not really got any experience with that. |
| 16:13.04 | zoran | ah, so easy |
| 16:13.14 | alterego | I'm a user on a NetBSD system but I obviously don't have to deal with package management :) |
| 16:13.26 | zoran | it is the same as in freebsd |
| 16:13.34 | zoran | 2 ways |
| 16:13.50 | zoran | first is: pkg_add thisorthat.tbz |
| 16:14.02 | zoran | second is: make; make install |
| 16:14.08 | zoran | nothing more |
| 16:14.57 | zoran | yesterday I dound something interesting to me: pynetfilter_conntrack |
| 16:15.03 | zoran | *found |
| 16:15.35 | alterego | apt-get install package :P |
| 16:15.49 | zoran | hm, it is python lib |
| 16:16.22 | zoran | it should be like kernel module to act as stateful tracking |
| 16:17.22 | zoran | I have a feeling I could implement it on my 770 |
| 16:17.29 | robtaylor | are there any nokians on channel with a N810 to hand? |
| 16:17.38 | zoran | he-he |
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| 16:18.10 | robtaylor | names |
| 16:18.32 | zoran | I read it will be available for a month or so |
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| 16:19.03 | zoran | or "/names"? |
| 16:19.21 | robtaylor | zoran: I know.. |
| 16:19.30 | zoran | :) |
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| 16:19.44 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:21.26 | nad | Does anyone know what are these messages seen with dmesg: "EAC mode: play enabled, rec enabled" |
| 16:21.51 | Tak | zoran: you forgot about the part where it can't find all of the dependencies |
| 16:22.05 | Tak | and also the part where you need to keep a huge local port tree on your pc |
| 16:22.07 | zoran | hm, I found the list |
| 16:22.20 | Tak | other than that, it's pretty much like that |
| 16:22.30 | zoran | conntrack? |
| 16:23.56 | zoran | Tak, I just put lib inside the path and python uses it |
| 16:24.15 | zoran | even more, libs are from my bsd box |
| 16:24.47 | alterego | Sounds fiddly. |
| 16:24.55 | alterego | I think I'll stick to Debian. |
| 16:25.07 | alterego | It's familiar and we're on the same wavelength I feel :) |
| 16:25.10 | zoran | no, I think about maemo |
| 16:25.27 | alterego | Oh right. |
| 16:25.43 | zoran | to add lib to work on 770 as stateful tracker |
| 16:25.58 | zoran | it is debian in heart |
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| 16:28.49 | zoran | k, needs ctypes and IPy |
| 16:28.51 | davis | hello |
| 16:28.52 | _Monkey | privet, davis |
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| 16:32.04 | Tak | hello |
| 16:32.05 | _Monkey | bonjour, Tak |
| 16:33.17 | davis | is this a channel for talking about general n770 usage? |
| 16:33.27 | Tak | yes. |
| 16:33.33 | davis | Good |
| 16:34.20 | davis | I am using the xterm, I know ctrl-p and n give previous and next command lines. How do you scroll the cursor left and right to do command line editing? |
| 16:34.56 | zoran | buttons? |
| 16:35.51 | davis | heh, that simple? |
| 16:35.53 | davis | thanks |
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| 16:45.33 | nad | Any easy way to press Return and Escape in xterm? |
| 16:46.08 | Disconnect | escape is the loopy-back hw button. return is .. um.. no. :( |
| 16:46.32 | Disconnect | (well.. yes. get an n810 :) .. but thats not a proper answer) |
| 16:47.07 | zoran | nad, no xterm? |
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| 16:48.48 | mgedmin | nad: Return is on the virtual kb |
| 16:48.48 | nad | I use osso-xterm, but sometimes I want to just repeat a command. I press the C-p button and then to press Return I need to make it display the keyboard and press it there... |
| 16:49.05 | mgedmin | I've also added it to the sidebar |
| 16:49.19 | mgedmin | which is the very nifty feature of the maemo-hackers version of osso-xterm |
| 16:49.34 | zoran | as xterm is loaded, there is possibility to add smaller win manager |
| 16:50.19 | nad | mgedmin: what is the code for Return for the sidebar "Return"? |
| 16:50.33 | mgedmin | let me check... |
| 16:50.38 | mgedmin | it's something tricky, I remember that |
| 16:51.10 | nad | zoran: not sure what you mean... |
| 16:51.11 | mgedmin | KP_Enter |
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| 16:51.40 | Solarion | wow. and here it is. :) |
| 16:51.48 | Solarion | Is there trouble adding accounts to the garage? |
| 16:51.55 | Solarion | (Known trouble, that is |
| 16:52.06 | mgedmin | nad: you can find out the key names with xev on your linux desktop |
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| 16:52.23 | mgedmin | you can also make the xterm shortcuts enter more than one character by separating key names with , |
| 16:52.44 | mgedmin | I had a button for entering . ~/.profile once, when osso-xterm had that bug with not spawning a login shell |
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| 16:54.24 | nad | mgedmin: Thx, it works! |
| 16:55.38 | Solarion | no known trouble then? |
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| 17:01.01 | Solarion | OK, is there anyone here who knows the details of the maemo garage account creation system? |
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| 17:07.16 | Solarion | Fantabulous. If anyone knows the maemo garage guys, I'm not sure what the problem is, but both accounts I've tried to create keep getting 'Access denied\nCredentials you entered do not correspond to valid account." errors when I try to log in from the registration confirmation email link. |
| 17:07.39 | zoran | maybe you should wait a little bit? |
| 17:07.54 | Solarion | zoran: I've given one of 'em 2 hours. |
| 17:08.01 | zoran | :) |
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| 17:08.11 | simon_ | Solarion, did you use uppercase letters within your username? |
| 17:08.17 | Solarion | simon_: yes |
| 17:08.23 | zoran | I saw some explanation on maemo-users to wait |
| 17:08.30 | simon_ | Solarion, that sounds like the reason |
| 17:08.40 | Solarion | simon_: why are uppercase letters a problem? |
| 17:08.51 | simon_ | Solarion, iirc there was a tiny text stating that the username should use lowercase letters |
| 17:08.55 | Tak | I experience that issue as well, Solarion |
| 17:09.25 | Solarion | simon_: wow. OK. I'm just a stupid monkey, then. There it is right there. :) |
| 17:10.48 | simon_ | Solarion, guess how I figured out that there was such a limitation ;) |
| 17:10.48 | Solarion | my apologies for wasting everyone's time because of my own inability to read/comprehend/follow directions. :) |
| 17:12.35 | Solarion | simon_: :) |
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| 17:13.13 | Tak | afaict, it doesn't reject uppercase, just translates it to lowercase |
| 17:13.53 | Solarion | Tak: confirmed. I just lower-cased my original username, and it worked. Funky. |
| 17:14.06 | Solarion | Now the question is, should I go ahead with the second account I created? :) |
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| 17:23.50 | pupnik | wow, 6 months later i see the answer to the maemo.org login problem |
| 17:27.25 | Disconnect | ..isn't tolower() a simple function in most every web language? |
| 17:30.40 | alterego | :) |
| 17:30.47 | alterego | pupnik, problem? What problem? :D |
| 17:32.14 | pupnik | oh nevermind, my broken login is lowercase |
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| 17:38.25 | Rhys | i have the vpnc, connected and working. it just seems to kill my network, as once it connects, no applications can connect to the internet anymore. |
| 17:39.39 | tomv | hi, what does libfakeroot: connect: Connection timed out signify when I'm trying to install the 4.0 beta sdk? (It appears after getting the Packages files when trying to install packages.) |
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| 17:43.08 | GeneralAntilles | You hit the "Download..." button in the Manage Repositories, |R? |
| 17:43.37 | Rhys | ? |
| 17:43.44 | Rhys | ah |
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| 17:47.09 | Rhys | :( anyone know why vpn kills my connection? |
| 17:47.35 | GeneralAntilles | VNC or VPN? |
| 17:47.52 | |R | GeneralAntilles : ah! |
| 17:48.04 | |R | GeneralAntilles : that's where ;) |
| 17:48.43 | GeneralAntilles | Hmm . . . what's the tablet website for beginners? |
| 17:52.14 | davis | i am struggling to get usb networking, working. |
| 17:52.45 | davis | i can get usb networking to ping ip addresses, but I can not get the dns part working. |
| 17:53.12 | Rhys | vnc |
| 17:53.32 | Rhys | !damnit. i mean vpn |
| 17:53.43 | davis | i have my /etc/resolv.conf file to use 127.0.0.1, 192.168.1.14, and even my pc's eth dns server. |
| 17:53.54 | davis | but still no go. |
| 17:54.26 | davis | nslookup foo says "*** Unknown host" |
| 17:54.40 | davis | it does not even look like it is trying to use a dns server. |
| 17:54.42 | davis | any idea? |
| 17:54.52 | GeneralAntilles | VPN might be crashing your network device, Rhys. |
| 17:55.04 | GeneralAntilles | davis, I have no experience with USB networking. Why not wifi? |
| 17:55.18 | Rhys | what? as soon as i shut it off, it works again. |
| 17:55.26 | davis | i am at work. We need leap to use wifi here. |
| 17:55.50 | GeneralAntilles | Then I can be no help to either of you. :D |
| 17:55.53 | davis | i don't think leap works on the nokia. |
| 17:55.56 | davis | np. |
| 17:57.06 | Rhys | got to go. |
| 17:59.22 | davis | oddly enough, i don't have ping. |
| 17:59.36 | davis | i know you need to include that in config when you build busybox. |
| 17:59.56 | davis | i also looked at maemo-org and I don't see it there. What am I missing. |
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| 18:01.54 | [31d1] | you need one of the custom busybox |
| 18:03.35 | davis | hmm. where do i get that? |
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| 18:11.06 | davis | [31d1]: where do i get a custom busybox? |
| 18:14.37 | [31d1] | maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationCatalog2006 or something like that |
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| 18:56.06 | c0ffee | somebody from tokyo here? |
| 18:56.13 | Devamax | Hi everyone! Guys, my n800 has been on the table for some time, now it sugnals about battery dicharge and it's abit warm to touch. Is it all right? (Mayby wi-fi frequency warms it or something?). |
| 18:56.34 | Devamax | Coffee, nihonjin da ka |
| 18:56.43 | pupnik_ | warm is ok |
| 18:56.47 | Devamax | thanx |
| 18:57.00 | c0ffee | Devamax, whatever that means - i don't speak japanese :) |
| 18:57.08 | Devamax | newemind) |
| 18:59.10 | DRoBeR | Is it not "Nihonjin desu ka?" |
| 18:59.12 | DRoBeR | ? |
| 18:59.32 | Devamax | Desu is more polite form). |
| 18:59.35 | DRoBeR | Demo, watashi nihongo wakarimashen. |
| 18:59.44 | DRoBeR | ah, sugoi. |
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| 19:00.03 | DRoBeR | Doumo arigatou gozaimasu, Devamax-san. :) |
| 19:00.36 | Devamax | :). |
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| 19:09.38 | DRoBeR | alterego, memento mori et carpe diem, amici. ;) |
| 19:10.01 | alterego | Was that something about fish? |
| 19:10.15 | DRoBeR | Remember that you will die and harvest the day, friend. |
| 19:10.21 | Tak | s/harvest/seize/ |
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| 19:10.27 | alterego | ;) |
| 19:10.41 | DRoBeR | Sorry, my English really sucks ^_^ |
| 19:10.57 | Tak | s'ok, my french really sucks |
| 19:11.13 | Tak | but together, we shall rule the universe! |
| 19:11.14 | DRoBeR | is it a kind of joke? |
| 19:11.37 | DRoBeR | ah, ok. haha :) As purple tentacle. |
| 19:12.11 | DRoBeR | Well, I detach this IRC session. See you, maemo's pals. |
| 19:12.22 | Tak | au revoir |
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| 19:29.44 | konttori | anyone seen serge around? |
| 19:29.58 | konttori | Would be great if he could compile mplayer for chinook |
| 19:30.57 | ds3 | on the 800, is there anything special with the bag/pouch that it comes with like the N770 lid has a mag switch to suspend/disconnect the network when it is in place |
| 19:31.10 | Tak | no. |
| 19:31.35 | ds3 | can the 800 disconnect automatically or will it just burn power running WiFi? |
| 19:32.13 | TPC | I wouldn't call it burning power, it still lasts for many days with wifi on |
| 19:32.34 | Tak | not IME |
| 19:32.38 | ds3 | so the battery life is better on then 800 then? |
| 19:33.00 | ds3 | if I leave the 770 w/WiFi, the thing shutdown down in about a day |
| 19:33.13 | TPC | according to nokias website it should last about 6 days with wifi connected |
| 19:33.17 | TPC | I think it goes into a low-power mode on the wifi chip when not using it, but it stays connected |
| 19:33.19 | mgedmin | ds3: it's configurable |
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| 19:33.46 | ds3 | mgedmin: is this the time setting? |
| 19:33.56 | mgedmin | huh? |
| 19:34.03 | TPC | and yes, you can set it to disconnect after 5, 10 or 60 minutes of inactivity |
| 19:34.08 | mgedmin | control panel -> connectivity -> idle timeout, IIRC |
| 19:34.10 | mgedmin | let me check... |
| 19:34.22 | alterego | Yeah, mine lasts for ages connected but dormant. |
| 19:34.27 | ds3 | that's what i mean time[out] setting |
| 19:34.31 | alterego | Good for always on IM/VoIP |
| 19:34.35 | mgedmin | control panel -> connectivity -> idle times settings |
| 19:34.35 | alterego | Great feature. |
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| 19:34.55 | ds3 | it is very tempting to get a N800 to replace the N770 right now |
| 19:35.09 | alterego | ds3, wait a little longer for the prices to come down. |
| 19:35.10 | ds3 | the lid on the 770 is very nice protection/shutoff |
| 19:35.25 | mgedmin | I'm very happy with my N800 after using a 770 for quite a while |
| 19:35.28 | snowmoon | ok, wanted to try microb... installed played and uninstalled, but how do I get opera back? |
| 19:35.36 | ds3 | alterego: you think there is room for it to drop a lot more? |
| 19:35.37 | alterego | ds3, have you applied for the developer program? |
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| 19:35.54 | alterego | ds3, sure, if the 770 is anything to go by :) |
| 19:35.55 | ds3 | alterego: no, not yet... |
| 19:36.13 | ds3 | okay |
| 19:36.15 | alterego | Well you should. An N810 would be better than an N800 :) |
| 19:36.21 | mgedmin | snowmoon: either uninstall microb or edit some text file in ~/ that has a configuration option that lets you show a menu item for switching the browser engine |
| 19:36.28 | alterego | Especially for 99 EUR ;) |
| 19:36.39 | ds3 | 770 + bt keyboard is very very very nice |
| 19:36.52 | alterego | :) |
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| 19:37.02 | snowmoon | mgedmin: did uninstall, how do I edit files in ~/? |
| 19:37.05 | ds3 | doubling flash/ram AND a real SD slots makes the 800... :)~~~~ |
| 19:37.25 | mgedmin | snowmoon: wait, what? I thought once you uninstalled it the browser would automatically switch back to opera |
| 19:37.34 | mgedmin | do you have a nonfunctional browser now? |
| 19:37.41 | snowmoon | yep... do I need to reboot? |
| 19:37.52 | alterego | Yeah, I would prefer a full size MMC/SD slot on the N810 |
| 19:38.46 | ds3 | the N810 looks more like a zaurus with the KB |
| 19:39.08 | snowmoon | Picked up the 770 for a c-note to see how the platform works... quite slick and faster than I expected |
| 19:39.38 | snowmoon | ordered a 2gb card to do some hacking |
| 19:39.49 | ds3 | does the current 2007HE for the 770 still lack features compared to the stock 2006? |
| 19:39.58 | Ivan | Guys have anyone tried flash with more thw 2gb memory on n800? Does ir run fast enough to watch films etc? |
| 19:41.33 | snowmoon | ok, I'm stuck with non functional browser... damn, just when things were getting interesting |
| 19:41.57 | mgedmin | Ivan: I've a 4gb sd card in my n800 |
| 19:41.58 | pupnik_ | Ivan: yes, but full speed films currently only at 240 lines or less |
| 19:42.18 | mgedmin | flash speed is not the bottleneck |
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| 19:42.50 | alterego | Why would size make a memory card slower? :D |
| 19:43.06 | Ivan | Well, I've heard it does ) |
| 19:43.26 | alterego | That's insane. |
| 19:43.41 | Ivan | Perhaps)) |
| 19:43.51 | Ivan | If it doesn't - than better)) |
| 19:44.08 | snowmoon | So... is there any built in app that will let me get to the .browser file? |
| 19:44.10 | celesteh | Heh. There's a transfer rate limit, so a larger card doesn't mean you can get data faster, but it doesn't make it slower either |
| 19:44.15 | alterego | Of course it doesn't. |
| 19:44.47 | alterego | There might be a performance hit between SD/SDHC cards but that's not really got anything to do with size. |
| 19:44.49 | celesteh | there are no moving parts, so SD card don't have some of the shortcomings of disks |
| 19:45.10 | Ivan | tnx guys) |
| 19:45.10 | alterego | And I doubt there is a performance difference. |
| 19:45.10 | celesteh | like fragmentation is a problem with disks because the read head needs time to move, but not so with sd cards |
| 19:46.49 | mgedmin | snowmoon: AFAIK no, you need either osso-xterm or a ssh server for that |
| 19:47.07 | snowmoon | damn... looks like I'm going to learn how to reflash |
| 19:47.48 | Ivan | It's rather easy actually ). |
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| 19:57.02 | bmidgley | ds3: it seems like battery life may not be as good in hacker edition |
| 19:57.57 | Tak | I don't notice a difference in battery life |
| 19:58.17 | pupnik_ | i heard microwaving sd cards can improve their performance |
| 19:58.25 | Tak | really?! |
| 19:58.30 | pupnik_ | :) |
| 19:58.44 | celesteh | it works really well for CDs! |
| 19:59.04 | pupnik_ | yeah i have a couple of 'treated' WinNT CDs |
| 19:59.24 | shapr | Anyone else having troubles with ncurses? |
| 19:59.30 | bmidgley | I don't know the specifics with sd, but in theory bigger card could be slower |
| 19:59.50 | bmidgley | it's a serial protocol and the (larger) address has to pass over that same serial interface |
| 20:00.08 | GeneralAntilles | shapr, what sort of problems? |
| 20:00.38 | shapr | I tried to upgrade ncurses, but it wants to overwrite /usr/bin/clear which is also in some other package. |
| 20:00.52 | GeneralAntilles | ncurses-bin is broken |
| 20:00.52 | Tak | yeah, busybox |
| 20:00.59 | GeneralAntilles | You only want ncurses-bas (I think) |
| 20:01.05 | Tak | yeah, that sounds right |
| 20:01.05 | GeneralAntilles | You have to remove ncurses-bin |
| 20:01.08 | shapr | ok |
| 20:01.16 | Ivan | Microvaves are very helpful in all aspects of life, they can even enlarge your, well, whatever your want to be enlarged, you just need to make a hole of suitable size in your microvawe emitter (maybe owen) and isert. |
| 20:01.36 | GeneralAntilles | shapr, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8959 |
| 20:01.43 | GeneralAntilles | Had the problem a few weeks ago. |
| 20:01.48 | GeneralAntilles | Don't recall exactly how I fixed it |
| 20:01.55 | Tak | damn...they never enlarge my food |
| 20:01.55 | GeneralAntilles | but it involved dpkg with lots of options. |
| 20:02.18 | GeneralAntilles | shapr, maybe this: dpkg -r --force-remove-reinstreq ncurses-bin |
| 20:02.56 | GeneralAntilles | *add an e top "-bas" |
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| 20:03.09 | GeneralAntilles | *to, not top |
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| 20:07.24 | shapr | GeneralAntilles: Yeah, that worked |
| 20:07.32 | GeneralAntilles | Good deal. :) |
| 20:08.13 | snowmoon | anyone know if the 770 IO bandwidth limit is per flash device.. or can you write to both the internal and external at full speed or interleave reading and writing without a penalty? |
| 20:09.26 | shapr | I can't get a2dp working on either my 770 with OS2007, or on my desktop, this is frustrating. |
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| 20:15.01 | alterego | Imagine what the N800/810 would be like with the PowerVR chip working and compiz or beryl ^_^ |
| 20:15.12 | alterego | That would be super cool. |
| 20:15.30 | suihkulokki | more likely it would be HOT |
| 20:15.36 | alterego | :) |
| 20:15.45 | alterego | That'd show those iCrap pansies ^_^ |
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| 20:23.09 | _trent_ | anyone know why I can't seem to get fbreader installed on my new n800? I installed the latest libzlibrary from the fbreader site but when i try to install fbreader I get the error from app mgr. "application package missing libzlibrary-maemo2 (= .8.7-1)" |
| 20:24.01 | GeneralAntilles | Did you install the FBReader repo? |
| 20:25.03 | _trent_ | maybe that is my problem |
| 20:25.07 | _trent_ | let me give that a shot.. thanks |
| 20:25.38 | _trent_ | its already there |
| 20:26.55 | Ivan | Are there any other linux distributives working with n800 hardware? |
| 20:27.37 | GeneralAntilles | Try removing libzlibrary, updating the repos, and try installing FBReader again. |
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| 20:28.23 | _trent_ | k |
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| 20:30.16 | _trent_ | same error |
| 20:30.29 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno, I'm not savy enough to fix it. |
| 20:30.37 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody else want to take a stab? |
| 20:34.15 | shapr | gwahr, a2dp is FRUSTRATING! |
| 20:35.16 | konttori | damn! I forgot my usb cable at work! |
| 20:35.30 | GeneralAntilles | What, you don't have more than one? |
| 20:35.50 | konttori | are you being nasty? No, I have only one micro usb |
| 20:36.31 | [31d1] | use ssh |
| 20:36.51 | konttori | good point. |
| 20:38.28 | GeneralAntilles | Micro, ah. |
| 20:38.32 | GeneralAntilles | Lucky bastard. ;) |
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| 20:42.47 | tomv | is there python for chinook beta yet? |
| 20:43.10 | konttori | yeah |
| 20:43.30 | konttori | just use sardine repository |
| 20:43.51 | luck^ | tomv, a new version will be released next week |
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| 20:50.37 | tomv | konttori, luck^: thanks. |
| 20:51.28 | _trent_ | i think fbreader is broken |
| 20:51.57 | shapr | Did anyone ever figure out whether the N810 really does have two SD slots? |
| 20:52.25 | konttori | tomv: did you get it working? |
| 20:55.32 | tomv | konttori: didn't try yet. |
| 20:55.55 | konttori | you may need to have also extras bora and maemo bora active. |
| 20:56.14 | konttori | ok. now I'm impressed. |
| 20:56.28 | konttori | I just made ukmp to make reflection on the fly. |
| 20:57.04 | konttori | slightly slower than before, but not to any meaningful extent |
| 20:57.22 | _trent_ | i finally got fbreader to install correctly... from maemo site .. never from the fbreader site. thanks for the help |
| 20:57.36 | konttori | This will make HUGE UI possibilities. |
| 20:58.14 | konttori | wow. I'm kind of still blown away by that. |
| 21:00.12 | GeneralAntilles | shapr, only one MicroSD slot |
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| 21:03.16 | konttori | is it micro? I thought micro was an even smaller one |
| 21:03.20 | konttori | the one in phones |
| 21:03.25 | konttori | and 810 has mini |
| 21:04.46 | disq | konttori: yeah. we're going to do that in kagu to get the album cache generation faster too. only use the reflections in "cover buttons" anyway. |
| 21:04.55 | pupnik_ | Dosbox 0.72 VGA emulation now fixed for Nokia |
| 21:05.37 | konttori | kagu didn't install on n810 |
| 21:05.44 | konttori | (by the way) |
| 21:06.27 | konttori | disq: I don't think you'll save much time from the generation that way though. |
| 21:06.35 | konttori | It's such a fast process apparently |
| 21:06.52 | pupnik_ | hmm iphone has 620 mhz Samsung S3C6400, which contains an ARM1176JZF |
| 21:09.03 | GeneralAntilles | Right, MiniSD |
| 21:12.26 | db48x | man, I hate busybox |
| 21:14.19 | derf | Join the club. |
| 21:14.24 | alterego | It's clever :) |
| 21:14.29 | derf | It's useless. |
| 21:14.38 | alterego | Rubbish |
| 21:14.44 | alterego | If it was useless people wouldn't use it. |
| 21:14.46 | ||cw | its abused |
| 21:14.50 | alterego | You wouldn't be using it. |
| 21:15.00 | derf | I wish I wasn't. |
| 21:15.10 | derf | In fact, I'm often not. |
| 21:15.12 | alterego | What tool are you wishing you were not using? |
| 21:15.17 | ds3 | isn't the external SD slot on the N800 SDIO capable? |
| 21:15.31 | alterego | ds3, it should be. |
| 21:16.04 | ds3 | Hmmm SDIO GPS on the N800 + BT keyboard is another way to whittle away at the 810 |
| 21:16.07 | alterego | Presuming it's wired correctly up to the CPU :) |
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| 21:16.29 | pupnik_ | no alignment warnings in dmesg |
| 21:16.31 | ds3 | know if the N800 has the same SDIO controller as all the other omap2 processors? |
| 21:16.47 | alterego | ds3, it should be identical. |
| 21:17.05 | alterego | I don't see any reason for it to be different .. |
| 21:17.09 | ds3 | nice, then SDIO GPS should be doable |
| 21:17.12 | ||cw | isn't sdio a driver problem? or does nokia have a license for it? |
| 21:17.28 | ds3 | IIRC, the omap tree has a working SDIO driver for some stuff |
| 21:17.36 | ||cw | one of the issues with linux iPaq's was that HP wouldn't supply an sdio driver |
| 21:17.36 | alterego | A driver problem? I thought the source was released with the generic OMAP kernel tree .. |
| 21:17.58 | ||cw | was it? it's been a couple years |
| 21:18.01 | ds3 | ||cw, I don't think anyone ported the code to the PXA yet |
| 21:18.19 | alterego | ||cw, the iPaq's are Intel SA right? |
| 21:18.27 | ||cw | i dn't recall |
| 21:18.33 | alterego | XScale like the Palms .. |
| 21:18.40 | ||cw | yeah, xscale |
| 21:18.47 | ds3 | think the later iPaqs are PXAs, earlier ones were SA's |
| 21:18.52 | alterego | That would probably be why. |
| 21:19.00 | alterego | XScale is SA. |
| 21:19.38 | alterego | Well, XScale was Intel's Strong ARM based CPU. |
| 21:19.54 | alterego | Obvisouly they're not being developed by some other company. |
| 21:19.57 | ds3 | no, XScale is the decendant of SA |
| 21:20.12 | ds3 | think SA is ARMv4 and Xscale is ARMv5, IIRC |
| 21:20.17 | alterego | -_- |
| 21:20.45 | alterego | You think .. |
| 21:20.56 | alterego | Sure there were v4 StrongARM's |
| 21:21.05 | ds3 | but then Xscale is on its 3rd owner |
| 21:21.17 | alterego | Who owned it before Intel? |
| 21:21.20 | ds3 | DEC |
| 21:21.26 | ds3 | DEC -> Intel -> Marvell |
| 21:21.29 | alterego | Ah |
| 21:21.31 | alterego | Strange :) |
| 21:21.40 | ds3 | Intel got it as part of some law suit settlement |
| 21:21.42 | alterego | They're nice chips. |
| 21:21.56 | alterego | Think I prefer the OMAP's though :) |
| 21:22.09 | ds3 | OMAPs would be nice if more docs were available |
| 21:22.16 | alterego | TI has a nicer attitude IMO |
| 21:23.15 | alterego | Docs on what? How much more do you need??! :) |
| 21:23.15 | ds3 | on all the peripherals |
| 21:23.16 | alterego | Sure, it'd be nicer if all the docs were in one place. |
| 21:23.21 | alterego | The kernel source they supply should be enough documentation in that regard ds3 :P |
| 21:23.29 | sxpert | like if docs for the dsp was available |
| 21:23.41 | alterego | They are available. |
| 21:24.06 | ds3 | alterego: I can't comment in detail but the kernel is only a fraction of the chip :( |
| 21:24.18 | alterego | You've lost me. |
| 21:24.25 | ds3 | the chip can do a lot more |
| 21:24.38 | alterego | Do you have an example? |
| 21:24.45 | alterego | I'm not sure what you're talking about :) |
| 21:24.56 | ds3 | i can't comment on that :( |
| 21:25.09 | alterego | NDA? ^_^ |
| 21:25.13 | ds3 | *nod* |
| 21:25.18 | alterego | Ah, very well. |
| 21:25.34 | alterego | May I ask who you're under an NDA with? |
| 21:25.54 | ds3 | you can ask, but I decline to say, sorry. |
| 21:25.59 | alterego | Hahah |
| 21:26.02 | alterego | Okay then :) |
| 21:26.19 | ds3 | but I am purely here on a personal capacity which means I have to forget everything else |
| 21:27.22 | pupnik_ | with some tweaking i have core up to 11 mhz 80286 speed |
| 21:28.17 | ds3 | didn't they make 20MHz 286's? |
| 21:28.26 | alterego | Heh |
| 21:28.38 | alterego | I found the OS2008 site before it was announced ^_^ |
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| 21:29.16 | pupnik_ | i recall standard 286 @ 12mhz and some tweaked boxes up to 20 |
| 21:29.20 | alterego | I wasn't expecting nokia.com/n810 to work, but it did :) |
| 21:31.21 | alterego | The 3D pictures really make the device look sexy :) |
| 21:36.38 | pupnik_ | open /dev/snd/seq failed: :( |
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| 21:42.24 | bmidgley | unlikely we'll see a 2008HE :( |
| 21:42.54 | alterego | I think it's time the community inherited the 770 |
| 21:43.08 | alterego | If you want to see updated software, do it yourself :) |
| 21:43.59 | disq | hopefully more parts will be open with chinook |
| 21:44.11 | disq | anybody got the chinook beta sdk to work with Xtightvnc? |
| 21:44.16 | bmidgley | is the wifi driver on 770 open? |
| 21:44.28 | disq | i'm guessing the problem is the composite extension, as bora/gregale work |
| 21:44.42 | alterego | Possibly. |
| 21:44.52 | alterego | I don't know much about those things :) |
| 21:45.05 | alterego | I was getting quite a few problems with the Beta SDK. |
| 21:45.55 | disq | hildon-desktop exits with a badvalue error. got some other problems before too but they're related to /proc and /dev, probably ignorable |
| 21:46.40 | alterego | I think my problem was probably cputransp actually. |
| 21:46.48 | alterego | Things just segfaulted in weird places. |
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| 21:49.30 | disq | you're not required to set up cputransp? (ie. connect the usb to the device, and all that) |
| 21:49.43 | disq | you just install the sbox-cputransp package |
| 21:49.52 | alterego | Erm. I don't understand. |
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| 21:50.04 | alterego | I was having probs with qemu. |
| 21:50.10 | disq | cpu transparency is not required for any sdk activity. it wasn't for bora and gregale anyway. |
| 21:50.13 | disq | ah. ok. |
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| 21:50.32 | alterego | Oh, sorry. I see what I did there :) |
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| 21:50.55 | Quinlan^ | Hey all, Im having issues with compiling *.deb packages for my 770. |
| 21:51.08 | alterego | Quinlan^, kind of issues? |
| 21:51.11 | Quinlan^ | I get the SET_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD error. |
| 21:51.26 | alterego | Hmm .. Not heard of that. |
| 21:51.44 | Quinlan^ | Really? Hm. It happens whenver I run dpkg. |
| 21:52.24 | alterego | Well, you should do what it asks and set your cpu transparency method :) |
| 21:52.56 | Quinlan^ | omg I noticed the option for it in sb-menu, but theres nothing there. |
| 21:53.02 | Quinlan^ | oops, scratch the omg. |
| 21:53.17 | alterego | Yeah, you need to install scratchbox qemu package. |
| 21:53.32 | alterego | Then select one for your target. |
| 21:53.33 | Quinlan^ | Alright, ill try that. |
| 21:53.36 | Quinlan^ | thanks. |
| 21:53.44 | Quinlan^ | to Debian! |
| 21:53.48 | alterego | :) |
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| 22:07.16 | disq | got the sdk working inside xephyr which is inside xtightvnc. but blue and red channels don't work. hmmm |
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| 22:07.45 | TreMobyl | how long should it take for a garage.maemo.org profile to propogate to maemo.org? |
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| 22:18.20 | tom0006 | Hello |
| 22:18.24 | _Monkey | niihau, tom0006 |
| 22:18.42 | tom0006 | i was wondering if I could get any help? |
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| 22:22.23 | tom0006 | Whenever I load the web on my 770 i get this error "Address type is unknown or unsupported file://usr/lib/microb-engine/chrome/toolkit/content/global/netError/xhtml" After installing MicroB |
| 22:22.45 | tom0006 | *netError.xhtml |
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| 22:28.24 | tom0006 | anyone? |
| 22:29.24 | pupnik | this happens on a html page? |
| 22:29.42 | Quinlan^ | I installed QEMU, but Im still not seeing it as a selectable choice in "Available Cpu-transparency methods" |
| 22:29.49 | zerojay | Solarion: Give it about 10 minutes or so. |
| 22:31.07 | tom0006 | yes# |
| 22:31.19 | tom0006 | like if I goto www.youtube.com it comes up with that error |
| 22:32.07 | tom0006 | and then i have to reboot to get out of it |
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| 22:33.31 | mazzen | Quinlan^: did you install scratchbox-devkit-cputransp? |
| 22:35.27 | Solarion | zerojay: it's been about 5.5 hours |
| 22:35.49 | pupnik | tom0006: i'd suggest you check out the microb bugtracker, the itt forums and if it persists file a bugreport |
| 22:35.50 | tom0006 | i just uninstalled MicroB and the browser bacem unusable, so im about to rewrite the os but if anyone could tell me a fix/workaround then great and ill try again! |
| 22:36.06 | pupnik | ok well that works too |
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| 22:37.04 | zerojay | Solarion: Hmm. File a bug, I suppose. |
| 22:37.57 | Quinlan^ | mazzen: I didnt know if I should, the highest its version went to was 1.0.3 |
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| 22:39.27 | Quinlan^ | Ill try that now. |
| 22:39.37 | MadMan2k | hi, im currently trying to open up my N800 a bit, but most of the docs are outdated... |
| 22:40.02 | MadMan2k | is there any advantage of using dropbear over openssh? |
| 22:40.20 | Quinlan^ | I personally like Dropbear more, because it always works. |
| 22:40.27 | alterego | MadMan2k, not really. dropbear is limited but smaller. OpenSSH is a full implementation but takes more space. |
| 22:40.29 | alterego | :) |
| 22:40.39 | MadMan2k | thanks |
| 22:40.48 | mazzen | Quinlan^: i steped over the same thing yesterday :) |
| 22:41.06 | alterego | Always works? |
| 22:41.12 | MadMan2k | and does it make sense to partition my SD card and mut home on it? |
| 22:41.18 | alterego | I've not had any problems with OpenSSH |
| 22:41.37 | MadMan2k | *put |
| 22:41.43 | alterego | Not really. |
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| 22:42.19 | alterego | Unless you have a compelling reason to do so. |
| 22:42.29 | Quinlan^ | Whoa, now I have a whole lot of cputransp methods, which one is reccomended? |
| 22:43.02 | Quinlan^ | I guess ill just pick the latest arm one. |
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| 22:43.23 | MadMan2k | but I could extend /usr that way, to be able to install more stuff, right? |
| 22:43.23 | alterego | Quinlan^, arm-0.8.2-sb2 is what I use |
| 22:43.37 | Quinlan^ | Crap, I jsut picked qemu-arm-cvs |
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| 22:44.04 | alterego | Well, it doesn't really matter. The newer the better I guess ;) |
| 22:44.52 | Quinlan^ | Im just happy to have it working. |
| 22:44.59 | alterego | ;) |
| 22:45.14 | alterego | Quinlan^, what do you plan on working on? |
| 22:45.27 | Quinlan^ | Im not sure, I just want to develop things for it. Whatever comes to mind. |
| 22:45.48 | alterego | Nice. |
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| 22:48.29 | tom0006 | what type of card does the 770 take? |
| 22:48.34 | alterego | MMC |
| 22:48.37 | Quinlan^ | RS-MMC |
| 22:48.42 | tom0006 | thanks |
| 22:49.23 | Quinlan^ | ugh, now I'm getting this: dpkg-buildpackage: This error may be caused by SBOX_DPKG_BUILDDEPS. |
| 22:51.03 | Quinlan^ | Im jsut going to try setting up the package without the debian devkit. |
| 22:52.36 | alterego | What was the error? |
| 22:52.53 | alterego | I get those kinds of errors all the time and it's usually something very simple. |
| 22:55.12 | Quinlan^ | error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool |
| 22:56.14 | alterego | you haven't installed the perl devkit. |
| 22:56.26 | alterego | Did you bother reading the installation instructions? :P |
| 22:57.20 | Quinlan^ | Yeah, but Neither the cputransp Or the perl devkits were on the required list. |
| 22:58.09 | alterego | Well, that's because they're not required to actually compile something. But if you want to package things up and have the full SDK environment you should install everything the tutorial says to install :) |
| 22:58.35 | Quinlan^ | the 2.2 tutorial seems out of date. |
| 22:58.45 | alterego | It is :) |
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| 22:59.45 | Quinlan^ | Taht would make a lot of sense, actually. |
| 23:00.17 | tom0006 | Urgh, my 770 never seams to be able to update its package lists. "Unable to refresh list. Last refresh list is shown" this is on a new fresh os install and I juast added the Maemo Hackers and Pidgin repositories... |
| 23:02.57 | Quinlan^ | HA |
| 23:02.58 | Quinlan^ | IT WORKED |
| 23:03.01 | Quinlan^ | I love you guys. |
| 23:05.52 | alterego | Awww |
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| 23:24.23 | alterego | 32 functions .. |
| 23:24.28 | alterego | Boy I have been busy ^_^ |
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