| 00:00.12 | zerojay | Maybe you corrupted your card. |
| 00:00.40 | Deformative | I think I got a faulty card to begin with. |
| 00:00.44 | zerojay | Most people don't realize but yanking out the USB cable right after a copy to the card is shown on your OS to be finished can damage it. |
| 00:00.49 | Deformative | This thing has been working like shit since I got it. |
| 00:00.55 | zerojay | Because the copy isn't complete, regardless of what your OS says. |
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| 00:01.54 | Deformative | I think pretty soon I will just dump all my files on an ftp. |
| 00:01.58 | Deformative | Then download them. |
| 00:02.27 | zerojay | What did you tinker with aside from the usb host mode stuff? |
| 00:04.29 | Deformative | That's it. |
| 00:04.57 | Deformative | Oh, and I formated my mmc to fat32 somehow. |
| 00:05.01 | Deformative | Do not remember how I did it. |
| 00:05.13 | Deformative | Because fat16 was going unbarably slow, not sure why. |
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| 00:17.35 | pupnik | bzzt |
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| 01:01.50 | unique311 | minimo the only browser that offers tab browsing? |
| 01:02.33 | GeneralAntilles | So far. |
| 01:02.47 | GeneralAntilles | We can only hope for that wonderful feature in one of the future MicroB updates. |
| 01:02.59 | zerojay | You already have that. |
| 01:03.00 | GeneralAntilles | Especially with switching windows being as much of a pain as it is. |
| 01:03.06 | GeneralAntilles | Do I now? |
| 01:03.18 | alp | GeneralAntilles: MicroB is just a browser engine, it can't add tabs to the UI shell |
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| 01:03.38 | GeneralAntilles | Semantics, but ok. ;) |
| 01:03.46 | unique311 | so an update to the browser |
| 01:03.49 | unique311 | opera |
| 01:04.06 | unique311 | minimo works pretty descent. |
| 01:04.08 | nn_ | I am trying to install bash, and doing it with apt-get will replace busybox. Does that seem like a good idea? (on N800) |
| 01:04.12 | |R | is the TUN/TAP interface active in the latest 2007 firmware? |
| 01:04.14 | zerojay | Before you install microb, you can set stuff like tabbed browsing for opera. |
| 01:04.23 | |R | nn_ : i don't think so |
| 01:04.24 | unique311 | microb crashed on me 3 times today..so not happy with it. |
| 01:04.26 | zerojay | But, as predicted, it's horrible and a huge waste of space. |
| 01:04.44 | nn_ | |R: any idea how to get bash otherwise then? |
| 01:05.09 | unique311 | instructions on how to tab browse with the opera browser? |
| 01:05.16 | unique311 | preference? |
| 01:05.25 | disq | nope. minimo has tabbed browsing |
| 01:05.29 | |R | nn_ : not sure sure of the best course of action but worst case you can dpkg -X the package and get the binary and place it somewhere... |
| 01:05.50 | zerojay | I remember that you have to reflash and not install microb.. then you get an extra set of options past Set Engine. |
| 01:06.06 | zerojay | And in there, you see "Webcore" as a third engine option but greyed out. |
| 01:06.21 | zerojay | But don't even bother if you want tabbed browsing. |
| 01:06.27 | zerojay | The tabs take up WAY too much space. |
| 01:06.36 | unique311 | ok |
| 01:07.17 | GeneralAntilles | Minimo's ui is buggy as all get out. |
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| 01:07.27 | GeneralAntilles | Nothing behaves the way it should |
| 01:07.29 | zerojay | There was also some other cool options.. such as enabling/disabling javascript in general or just for Google specific sites. |
| 01:07.30 | tom_ | Hey. |
| 01:07.34 | tom_ | What's videocenter, and does it work on Hacker 770? |
| 01:08.18 | GeneralAntilles | and I'd always end up in a context where I'd have to quit and restart to get it to work again. |
| 01:08.18 | zerojay | Google is a great tool. |
| 01:08.39 | tom_ | Well, I know what it is, but does it work on Hacker Edition? |
| 01:08.52 | disq | minimo works fine with my bank, and works better with iphone.facebook.com atm. i don't use it for anything else, i use opera or microb |
| 01:09.01 | unique311 | well considering microb crashed on me for i don't know what reason..i'll be using opera and minimo. |
| 01:09.23 | disq | microb seems to stress the cpu out a lot during rendering though. i don't like unresponsiveness |
| 01:09.39 | unique311 | tried a bunch of iphone sites last night with minimo. |
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| 01:22.53 | tom_ | Oh, I'm running Hacker 2007... what's best? Opera, Minimo, or MicroB? I've never seen MicroB before. |
| 01:23.18 | zerojay | Try them and decide for yourself. |
| 01:23.59 | zerojay | Some like Opera's speed. Others like MicroB's javascript/css (being the engine for Firefox 3.0). |
| 01:24.05 | tom_ | What is MicroB like? |
| 01:24.21 | zerojay | It's like whoa. |
| 01:24.26 | tom_ | Really? |
| 01:24.28 | tom_ | How so? |
| 01:24.31 | zerojay | It's a web browser. |
| 01:24.33 | tom_ | Slow, or cool, or both? |
| 01:25.03 | zerojay | It looks and runs more or less like Opera does but supports stuff like javascript better. |
| 01:25.07 | zerojay | Try it. |
| 01:25.10 | tom_ | ok |
| 01:26.50 | juh0 | it is still beta and damn slow |
| 01:26.56 | tom_ | oh :-( |
| 01:27.29 | zerojay | Yeah, it's still beta in two ways. One, microb itself is beta. Two, the rendering engine, Gecko, is a bleeding edge version. |
| 01:27.35 | zerojay | But I don't find it slow. |
| 01:27.50 | tom_ | Not that I'm going to try it, but does it do Gmail? |
| 01:27.58 | zerojay | You should try it. |
| 01:28.01 | tom_ | ok |
| 01:28.24 | zerojay | I believe it does, but I'm not sure. I don't use Gmail, but I'm pretty sure it would run it better than Opera would. |
| 01:28.30 | juh0 | id like to see webkit based browser |
| 01:28.45 | zerojay | Not going to be that different, really. |
| 01:28.56 | zerojay | Might be as fast as Opera though. |
| 01:29.38 | pupnik | would the tablets be better served with the OS on a SD card from the factory? |
| 01:29.48 | zerojay | Not really. |
| 01:31.07 | pupnik | you're probably right |
| 01:31.56 | pupnik | but there isn't a clean solution for installing big things to mmc/sd right now |
| 01:32.59 | zerojay | Not many apps bigger than 128MB. :) |
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| 01:36.27 | pupnik | don't think i'm not responding because your point was valid |
| 01:37.02 | nn_ | |R: Thanks, worked like a charm! |
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| 01:39.02 | nn_ | I am trying to apt-get install gcc on my N800 and I get this message "Package gcc is not available, but is referred to by another package.". Any idea what it means? |
| 01:40.59 | zerojay | pupnik: Well, it is valid. ;) |
| 01:41.31 | zerojay | Really though... if someone feels the need to install packages on the memory card because the internal flash isn't enough, I *really* don't want to see that person's menus. ;P |
| 01:41.48 | pupnik | it is not and here are the reasons |
| 01:41.55 | pupnik | 1) there is less than 128Mb free |
| 01:42.08 | pupnik | 2) users do not install a single program |
| 01:42.14 | |R | nn_ : cool :) |
| 01:42.34 | zerojay | Huh? |
| 01:43.19 | pupnik | your assersion is that a user has 128MB free on internal flash, and that the user will have no problems with any program <= 128MB |
| 01:43.25 | pupnik | this is false, as shown above |
| 01:43.47 | zerojay | Where? |
| 01:44.29 | pupnik | installing 10 7 MB programs will exceed a typical 770's free space |
| 01:44.30 | zerojay | Yeah, it's not simply 128MB free. What is it right after a reflash then? It's still a good amount of space for just applications. |
| 01:44.59 | pupnik | hence the claim that 128MB programs are not a problem is ludicrous |
| 01:45.31 | zerojay | There aren't that many large apps though. Most are pretty small... maybe 1MB or so. |
| 01:45.37 | pupnik | i know this |
| 01:46.01 | zerojay | I'm not saying that it should be disallowed. |
| 01:46.14 | pupnik | it'most of the core apps do fit nicely into free flash |
| 01:46.52 | zerojay | But most average users won't usually end up filling the flash with apps alone.. for those power users that do, they've got the option to install to SD card. |
| 01:47.51 | pupnik | that's correct |
| 01:48.05 | pupnik | i'm just struggling right now with the best way to deal with big programs |
| 01:48.17 | tom_ | Is it safe to do apt-get upgrade on Hacker 2007, or will that pull in versions that are too new? |
| 01:49.08 | pupnik | basically it means adding logic for them to search mmc for their data, and then fail gracefully if it's not found |
| 01:53.04 | zerojay | pupnik: They can just add /media/mmc1/ to PATH and be done with it. |
| 01:53.31 | zerojay | Well, /media/mmc1/bin... |
| 01:54.18 | pupnik | or anywhere on mmc1 or mmc2 |
| 01:54.31 | pupnik | then you also have to write a program to download the data |
| 01:54.39 | zerojay | Download what data? |
| 01:54.48 | pupnik | because you can't install a 30 MB .deb file on a tablet with 30 MB free space |
| 01:55.14 | pupnik | i want to make my game ports easy to install |
| 01:55.29 | pupnik | can't do that with .debs |
| 01:58.39 | GeneralAntilles | You should have them give you their ssh logins. |
| 01:58.44 | GeneralAntilles | That'll be very easy. ;) |
| 02:01.21 | tom_ | How do I run MicroB? It's not in the menu... |
| 02:02.06 | GeneralAntilles | It's an engine option |
| 02:02.14 | GeneralAntilles | it just runs under the regular browser |
| 02:02.29 | GeneralAntilles | Did the homepage change to one with a yellow-gray background? |
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| 02:08.26 | tom_ | GeneralAntilles: How do I pick it? |
| 02:09.28 | tom_ | Great, now "Web" crashes every time I run it... |
| 02:10.41 | tom_ | Ah, the TestGtkEmbed screwed it up. Now it only crashes when I pick MicroB... |
| 02:11.16 | tom_ | Does this need some strange library or something? |
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| 02:13.02 | tom_ | Great, I uninstalled all of it and it still crashes. |
| 02:14.19 | GeneralAntilles | Did you restart? |
| 02:14.23 | tom_ | no |
| 02:14.30 | tom_ | Do I need to restart after installing? |
| 02:15.53 | tom_ | ? |
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| 02:39.39 | |R | Anyone know if the TUN/TAP interface active in the latest 2007 firmware? |
| 02:39.54 | |R | (would be veryyy useful for the new ssh -w (tunnel) feature) |
| 02:46.51 | pupnik | i don't know |
| 02:47.33 | pupnik | would someone smart please find a way to tap-in text to fullscreen sdl apps with a virtual keyboard like xkbd? http://pupnik.de/xkbd_m_bottom.gif |
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| 02:51.15 | tom_ | I'm getting a strange error from "apt-get update". It's saying it can't verify the GPG signature of maemo-hackers.org, khertan.net, or catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com because the signatures could not be verified (NO_PUBKEY), "Unknown error executing gpgv", and "The following signatures were invalid". |
| 02:51.39 | tom_ | And nothing in Application manager works. |
| 02:51.51 | tom_ | It all says "Operation failed". |
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| 02:53.20 | tom_ | What should I do? |
| 02:55.01 | tom_ | ARGH! This is totally broken, and it's giving me NO information on how to fix it! |
| 02:55.33 | tom_ | I can't even see the goddamn app catalog to turn off the extra repos I installed! |
| 02:58.28 | tom_ | Is anyone here? |
| 02:58.36 | GeneralAntilles | What's the log say? |
| 02:58.39 | GeneralAntilles | For app manager? |
| 02:58.45 | GeneralAntilles | Clearing the cache worked for me |
| 02:58.49 | GeneralAntilles | though I don't recall how I did that |
| 02:58.51 | tom_ | Where? What cache? |
| 02:58.56 | tom_ | Where is the log? |
| 02:58.58 | GeneralAntilles | The apt cache |
| 02:59.02 | tom_ | apt-get update gives me three different errors. |
| 02:59.04 | GeneralAntilles | menu -> log |
| 02:59.07 | tom_ | All about GPG verification. |
| 02:59.11 | GeneralAntilles | Ignore gpg |
| 02:59.13 | GeneralAntilles | Those don't matter. |
| 02:59.27 | tom_ | The log says: |
| 02:59.35 | tom_ | "osso-application-install 4.46, UI version 2" |
| 02:59.38 | tom_ | then "apt-worker exited." |
| 03:00.04 | tom_ | And if I try something else: "write: Bad file descriptor" |
| 03:01.27 | pupnik | there is only one solution |
| 03:01.29 | pupnik | BOMB IRAN |
| 03:01.33 | pupnik | pardon me |
| 03:02.00 | tom_ | anyone? |
| 03:02.43 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, clear the cache. |
| 03:02.48 | GeneralAntilles | look up apt cache on google |
| 03:04.12 | tom_ | not helping |
| 03:04.46 | tom_ | oh wait |
| 03:04.50 | tom_ | it might |
| 03:04.52 | tom_ | okay working now |
| 03:04.53 | tom_ | GeneralAntilles: Thanks. |
| 03:05.22 | tom_ | GeneralAntilles: (Really. This was *totally* pissing me off.) |
| 03:05.27 | tom_ | Oh wait. |
| 03:05.31 | tom_ | Now I can't refresh the app list. |
| 03:06.05 | unique311 | ok |
| 03:06.31 | unique311 | so i'm going to ask again...becuase last time i couldn't figure out how to modify mime types.. |
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| 03:07.10 | unique311 | i want to make mplayer open default for video links i click on the web browser |
| 03:07.19 | tom_ | Ah, I needed to recreate /var/cache/apt/archives/partial. |
| 03:07.38 | unique311 | anyone know how i can go about making this happen. |
| 03:07.52 | unique311 | someone told me last time to modify mime types. |
| 03:08.21 | tom_ | Yay, it's working! |
| 03:08.27 | tom_ | unique311: gconf-editor? |
| 03:09.01 | unique311 | know which file i need to modify? |
| 03:09.29 | tom_ | unique311: No, but browse around. There's a section on mime types. |
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| 03:19.36 | ttuttle | Hey, microb does gmail! |
| 03:20.03 | unique311 | i crashed on gmail with microb |
| 03:20.09 | ttuttle | lol |
| 03:20.42 | GeneralAntilles | Microb hardly crashes on me at all. |
| 03:20.44 | GeneralAntilles | Weird. |
| 03:22.32 | doublec | i use it on gmail fine |
| 03:23.36 | unique311 | i sent mail out...left it on the desk, mail went out...and like 1 minute later crashed |
| 03:24.04 | unique311 | tom, not finding the mime config in gconf editor.. |
| 03:24.38 | ttuttle | unique311: hmm |
| 03:25.36 | kulve | lardman|gone: I think that was the only option I changed in the kernel.. |
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| 06:13.11 | gomiam | I've been looking fo a way to use Reply-To: on the N800 mail client and I can't find it |
| 06:13.33 | gomiam | does anyone have an idea of where to find it? |
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| 07:48.09 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 07:48.31 | DRoBeR | Good morning, Jaffa . |
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| 08:24.46 | sujan | Hi |
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| 08:34.13 | sujan | can anyone help me? how to include all the dependency of a debian package so that i can install the package on the device without installing any other dependent package manually? |
| 08:36.45 | Jaffa | sujan: upload your deb to a repository |
| 08:38.22 | sujan | but the device has no internet connectivity now...Thats the problem |
| 08:39.10 | Jaffa | You could do something evil like include the other debs' files within your own deb, but that would seriously mess with Debian's packaging ethos and inveitably cause more trouble than it's worth. |
| 08:41.13 | sujan | how can i include other debs? |
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| 08:43.22 | sujan | this is temporary...until the device get internet connectivity.... |
| 08:44.22 | Jaffa | You'd have to unpack the other debs, move their files in to your unpacked deb and then rebuild yours. Surely easiest to just do `dpkg -i *.deb' and install all the requisite debs straight off? |
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| 08:48.14 | sujan | ya, dpkg -i *.deb is easier |
| 08:49.01 | sujan | but the requirement is a package without any dependency:( |
| 08:49.59 | sujan | Thanks, jaffa.....Let me try by unpacking all the debs |
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| 08:59.26 | sujan | Jaffa: all the debs contain control.tar.gz and data.tar.gz.... so where shall i put them in my package |
| 09:09.54 | sujan | should i copy the files inside /usr/lib only? |
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| 09:23.57 | cosmo | sujan: make a local file repository with your package + dependencies and use it |
| 09:25.43 | inz | dpkg-scanpackages should help creating the repo |
| 09:25.57 | inz | +when |
| 09:29.29 | timeless | inz: ping |
| 09:29.33 | timeless | can you check something for me? |
| 09:29.40 | inz | timeless, sure |
| 09:32.04 | sujan | cosmo: Thanks cosmo |
| 09:32.36 | sujan | inz: thanks |
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| 10:30.02 | timeless | or rather which account roope actually uses |
| 10:30.45 | disq | timeless did you have time to see why iphone.fb.com works better in minimo? they use useragent-specific code (in an iphone version? why?) or it's just relaed to the engine? |
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| 10:34.05 | timeless | sorry |
| 10:34.08 | timeless | got distraced |
| 10:34.13 | timeless | what user agents did you have? |
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| 10:36.04 | timeless | hrm: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=821 |
| 10:36.09 | timeless | is that "fixed" per comment 1? |
| 10:41.08 | disq | let me find the log |
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| 10:43.01 | Test_ | good morning(~ugt) |
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| 10:52.27 | disq | timeless: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux armv6l; rv:1.8.1.5pre) Gecko/20070705 Minimo/0.020 |
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| 10:57.12 | timeless | so minimo is a 1.8 branch, and microb is a 1.9 thing? |
| 10:57.18 | timeless | and you're saying minimo works better? |
| 10:57.34 | timeless | that's functionally equivalent to comparing ff2 w/ ff3 |
| 10:57.44 | timeless | (and concluding ff2 is better) |
| 10:58.07 | timeless | you can use: |
| 10:58.08 | timeless | general.useragent.override |
| 10:58.23 | timeless | in about:config (on one or both apps) to get sympathy points |
| 10:58.34 | timeless | i'd suggest trying w/ say microb lying as minimo first |
| 10:58.41 | timeless | and then trying minimo lying as microb |
| 10:59.12 | sciboy | Yay, going to be waiting quite a while for my N800. |
| 10:59.16 | timeless | btw, if someone could test: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=936 |
| 10:59.18 | timeless | that'd be nice |
| 10:59.24 | sciboy | Still, already got a few little python apps in mind. |
| 11:00.54 | GeneralAntilles | What is it with news sites that make you register? |
| 11:00.56 | timeless | wow, something's wrong w/ me, i just voted for a bug |
| 11:01.16 | timeless | generalantilles: use bugmenot? |
| 11:01.41 | GeneralAntilles | I am |
| 11:01.44 | GeneralAntilles | But it's still a pain |
| 11:02.10 | GeneralAntilles | The stupid crap that you call "news" isn't worth the time and effort it takes me to get to it. >_> |
| 11:02.28 | timeless | rr 12 bugs |
| 11:03.10 | sciboy | Credit to them, it's awesome but 4 hours of powerpoint slides is in fact boring. |
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| 11:05.52 | timeless | disq: any reason i shouldn't resolve https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1192#c6 as WFM? |
| 11:12.04 | disq | WFM too. |
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| 11:23.09 | timeless | please resolve bugs :) |
| 11:27.57 | lardman | afternoon all |
| 11:28.14 | GeneralAntilles | 'morning. ;) |
| 11:28.26 | lardman | well yeah I suppose it is :) |
| 11:32.35 | wazd | evening)) |
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| 11:40.09 | Test_ | hi lardman |
| 11:40.10 | _Monkey | hi lardman are you here!! |
| 11:40.25 | timeless | _monkey forget hi lardman |
| 11:40.25 | _Monkey | timeless: I forgot hi lardman |
| 11:40.34 | timeless | _monkey hi lardman is <reply> |
| 11:40.34 | _Monkey | OK, timeless. |
| 11:42.04 | lardman | hi Test_ |
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| 11:46.42 | gomiam | erm... is there a way to set a Reply-To: on the vanilla N800 mail client? |
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| 11:48.52 | timeless | gomiam: i'm not sure many people use it :( |
| 11:49.30 | gomiam | yup, I guess so. But it works good enough for my meager needs, and I can't find anything on Google |
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| 12:42.39 | b0unc3 | hello |
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| 12:53.12 | chris_work | hello test ... |
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| 12:56.01 | playya2 | chris_work: servus |
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| 12:56.54 | playya2 | is it possible to have race condition withinn dbus_message_get_args? |
| 12:57.36 | playya2 | because i sen a message with 4 strings and the receiver gets a mixed up set |
| 12:57.53 | playya2 | i only recognized it because of different languages |
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| 13:10.58 | Tak | there's your problem - dbus only speaks portuguese |
| 13:15.51 | playya2 | hehe |
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| 13:24.50 | Ar-ras | hi |
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| 13:25.10 | Ar-ras | could somebody help me with cloning Os on MemoryCard? |
| 13:25.40 | Ar-ras | I started inifs_flash |
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| 13:25.48 | Ar-ras | but it only asks yes/no |
| 13:25.50 | Ar-ras | and stops |
| 13:25.53 | Ar-ras | or |
| 13:25.55 | Ar-ras | better |
| 13:26.02 | k-way | perhaps, are you using the wiki as ref? |
| 13:26.15 | Ar-ras | i used http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/#initfs |
| 13:26.46 | Ar-ras | Extract tgz archive on your tablet (tar zxvf initfs_flasher.tgz), execute initfs_flash (cd initfs_flasher ; ./initfs_flash) in shell (osso-xterm or via ssh) and follow instructions. << instructions? |
| 13:27.49 | lopz | hola |
| 13:27.49 | _Monkey | que tal, lopz |
| 13:28.13 | Ar-ras | ok |
| 13:28.16 | lopz | hola |
| 13:28.18 | lopz | hi |
| 13:28.21 | Ar-ras | it seem to work now |
| 13:29.56 | kriebel | Ar-ras, http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_easily_boot_from_mmc_card/ |
| 13:30.05 | kriebel | if that is in fact what you want to do |
| 13:31.56 | Ar-ras | COOL |
| 13:32.03 | Ar-ras | booting from memory card :D |
| 13:33.03 | sciboy | So SD cards are officially safe in the latest firmware? |
| 13:33.58 | GeneralAntilles | Yes. |
| 13:34.35 | Ar-ras | they should make skype with webcam compatible... |
| 13:34.52 | Ar-ras | webcam is so useless now |
| 13:37.20 | keesj | skype @windows does webcams. but I would be happy with any program that would allow me to talk/video chat with my parents in france |
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| 13:42.18 | gomiam | Yet another question (I guess asking about Reply-to on N800 mail client is hopeless). Does anybody have an idea about a maemo repository for postgresql-common? I wanted to set some php on nginx, but I need a RDBMS. |
| 13:44.51 | GeneralAntilles | sqlite3 work? |
| 13:46.02 | MoRpHeUz | Ar-ras: gizmo support video calls... |
| 13:46.16 | keesj | really? |
| 13:46.28 | MoRpHeUz | keesj: it looks like..let me get the link for you.. |
| 13:46.49 | GeneralAntilles | It's incredibly beta |
| 13:46.52 | GeneralAntilles | didn't work for me. |
| 13:47.03 | MoRpHeUz | keesj: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9425 |
| 13:47.12 | MoRpHeUz | GeneralAntilles: I've never tried... |
| 13:47.18 | MoRpHeUz | just saw the post |
| 13:47.34 | gomiam | GeneralAntilles: might work, but I would like to test Postgresql first |
| 13:47.47 | keesj | I need something my parent can instal and run. |
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| 13:48.50 | GeneralAntilles | Better off buying them an N800 and doing google-talk video calls. |
| 13:48.55 | keesj | I have tried real hard with "nokia video internet call" but also in the past with netmeeting |
| 13:49.22 | sciboy | What's the frame rate on the camera anyhow? |
| 13:49.35 | gomiam | sciboy: 15? |
| 13:49.47 | flip^ | oh yay, i broke my n800 \o/ |
| 13:49.50 | sciboy | I'll probably do the video conferencing thing but focus it on my sketchpad. =P |
| 13:49.56 | gomiam | Not much better, I think |
| 13:50.00 | sciboy | AWESOME FLIP^! |
| 13:50.02 | sciboy | What now? |
| 13:50.12 | gomiam | flip^: how so? |
| 13:50.26 | flip^ | um, now i work out how to restore gtk without being able to get past about 90% of the blue "booting up" bar |
| 13:50.28 | Ar-ras | and where can you download the beta of gizmo? |
| 13:50.53 | keesj | actualy , andy linux/window video calling program would make me happy |
| 13:50.58 | flip^ | i think it must've told it to upgrade gtk, which failed, and now its lacking something important |
| 13:50.59 | gomiam | flip^: oh, the osso update. Have fun reflashing |
| 13:51.19 | flip^ | gomiam: fortunately, i'm booting off mmc and can just restore from the flash that way ;) |
| 13:51.25 | flip^ | but it's hassle reinstalling some stuff |
| 13:51.55 | flip^ | course, it's battery removing time to get it to power down |
| 13:51.58 | GeneralAntilles | Stop abusing your poor N800. |
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| 13:52.28 | flip^ | GeneralAntilles: i bought it for abuse! |
| 13:52.44 | sciboy | Yeah, linux is great that way. =D |
| 13:52.55 | gomiam | Oops, clicked the wrong cross |
| 13:53.51 | keesj | I flashed mamona on it yesterday. now that's pure abuse! |
| 13:54.43 | Ar-ras | damn |
| 13:54.55 | Ar-ras | they deleted their beta of gizmo |
| 13:55.09 | Ar-ras | does somebody has a copy of it? |
| 13:55.10 | sciboy | Oh how I wish we had hardware acceleration for opengl. =( |
| 13:55.10 | Ar-ras | gizmo-project_4.0.0.82_N800_armel.deb |
| 13:56.45 | gomiam | Ar-ras: what? They dropped gizmo for N800? |
| 13:56.50 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 13:56.55 | GeneralAntilles | They dropped the video alpha |
| 13:57.25 | gomiam | Oh |
| 13:58.33 | Ar-ras | :-/ |
| 13:59.25 | Ar-ras | so is there anybody with the alpha/beta? |
| 13:59.31 | gomiam | Did they say anything about bringing it back? |
| 14:00.14 | keesj | sciboy: waht would you do with opengl? |
| 14:00.17 | keesj | what |
| 14:00.42 | sciboy | keesj, Super-low-poly games. |
| 14:01.14 | keesj | like ? |
| 14:01.23 | sciboy | Like jesus-on-a-stick |
| 14:02.25 | sciboy | I'll probably stick to 2d for sheer simplicity, but if you got the blender game engine going I could crank out stuff pretty quickly. |
| 14:03.44 | keesj | I had great fun porting xmoto |
| 14:04.00 | Ar-ras | what is xmoto? |
| 14:04.05 | sciboy | Mainly because of the bullet physics engine and blender interface, also less scalability issues. |
| 14:04.14 | sciboy | You were actually able to port it? |
| 14:05.48 | keesj | I was very busy yes http://xmoto.tuxfamily.org/ |
| 14:06.12 | keesj | http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=-5434097291911279996&q=xmoto |
| 14:06.54 | sciboy | Did you use mesa software rendering? |
| 14:07.35 | keesj | no, poly rendering (and sdl_gfx) |
| 14:08.51 | keesj | I lost interrest because nobody was really fund about playing the game |
| 14:08.56 | Mikho | How can I make it so that /etc/modules is parsed during boot |
| 14:09.26 | Mikho | I can run 'modprobe ftdi_sio' and it works |
| 14:09.40 | Mikho | but I'd like the module to be loaded automatically |
| 14:12.43 | sciboy | keesj, I'm more interested in developing small games than anything. |
| 14:13.20 | sciboy | http://russose.free.fr/BlenderPocket/ |
| 14:13.32 | keesj | there is also a bzr kind of game |
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| 14:14.34 | sciboy | keesj, http://img206.imageshack.us/my.php?image=blenderonthenokia770bp8.png |
| 14:14.38 | keesj | I like blender |
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| 14:16.47 | sciboy | keesj, Anyway current plan is to make simple stuff in HTML and/or Python |
| 14:17.40 | sciboy | I'm use to working in graphical environments so you won't find me blitting. =) |
| 14:18.09 | keesj | there are many challenges i guess in developing software for the tablet (input being one of them) |
| 14:19.16 | sciboy | Which is actually why I am thinking of doing it through the web browser, most of the input is already there and cursor interaction is relatively simple to accomplish via. javascript. |
| 14:19.55 | keesj | and run the files from a small web server on the device? |
| 14:20.36 | sciboy | Not entirely necessary, but I was thinking a python script to do so and also serve sounds via. pygame |
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| 14:21.30 | lardman | kulve: ping |
| 14:21.30 | sciboy | It's primary purpose would be to handle the players progress, variables, saves etc. |
| 14:25.23 | sciboy | keesj, The most basic it gets is a simple comic style adventure, with hotspots ala. choose your own path, gif animations to spice things up but otherwise just html and css no javascript or any real scripting. |
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| 14:25.47 | sciboy | I've done that before as a kid, was quite fun at the time. |
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| 14:25.57 | latzko | hi |
| 14:26.12 | keesj | I am not creative enough to create real games |
| 14:26.17 | lardman | kulve: I did a kernel compile, and manually enabled one entry in .config - CONFIG_OMAP_DSP_MBCMD_VERBOSE=y |
| 14:26.26 | keesj | I enjoy solving problems |
| 14:26.35 | dcarter | hey all, does anyone here have the new quetoo by zerion on their tablet? |
| 14:26.40 | lardman | kulve: was this the one you were talking about? In any case I don;t see dbg() messages in dmesg, so I presume I've gone wrong somewhere |
| 14:27.00 | sciboy | Same here, but I enjoy animating, drawing, painting etc. the games just allow me to combine the problem solving with the art. |
| 14:29.05 | sciboy | keesj, I was into programming before I burnt out and jumped ship to animating. |
| 14:29.27 | latzko | I have a strange applet bug. I was able to fix the bug that hang the applet on layout mode when other applets was selected (state_data had to be NULL) BUT it still hang if I select Internet Radio aplet AFTER I placed my applet. It works reversed. Have you got any tips? osso1.0 |
| 14:31.54 | sciboy | keesj, It's kinda why I still hang around spots like this and use linux dispite the plentiful software available on other platforms. ;P |
| 14:32.47 | keesj | we need more guys like you then |
| 14:33.30 | dcarter | if anyone has quetoo on their tablet, let me know alright. i need someone to test if my server is running fine. |
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| 14:34.48 | sciboy | It's going to be atleast another week before I can get into it though. =/ |
| 14:34.54 | sciboy | Still no news on my N800 order. |
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| 14:39.00 | Ar-ras | http://forum.gizmoproject.com/viewtopic.php?t=7098 |
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| 14:51.07 | Ar-ras | heyhey |
| 14:51.07 | _Monkey | hey, Ar-ras |
| 14:51.09 | Ar-ras | i found it |
| 14:51.11 | Ar-ras | http://www.divshare.com/download/2129913-97c |
| 14:51.49 | Ar-ras | gizmo-project_4.0.0.82_N800_armel_2_.deb ;) |
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| 15:04.41 | zoran | any news about cron porting to n800? |
| 15:05.24 | sciboy | No cron already? |
| 15:05.30 | zoran | dunno |
| 15:05.33 | zoran | I have 770 |
| 15:05.48 | zoran | some bin fiel was in option |
| 15:05.54 | zoran | *file |
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| 15:08.52 | dcarter | anyone with quetoo here? |
| 15:08.53 | GeneralAntilles | "cron doesn't really make sense for the device", is what I've always heard. |
| 15:08.53 | zoran | definitely no crom/anacron on 770-3.2006.49-2 |
| 15:09.04 | zoran | yep, right |
| 15:09.26 | zoran | buy 770 is not always on |
| 15:09.30 | zoran | *but |
| 15:09.39 | zoran | n800 _is_, as I've heard |
| 15:10.04 | florian | zoran: both are |
| 15:10.16 | zoran | not 770, since I shut it down |
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| 15:14.26 | dpb_ | zoran: well neither is n800 if you shut it down.. |
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| 15:14.39 | zoran | :-) |
| 15:17.17 | |R | any suggestions on what to change to have exec rights on the SD cards ? :) (fstab seems unrelated, not too sure how to deal with udev) |
| 15:18.17 | zoran | |R, what file system? |
| 15:19.10 | |R | zoran : the vfat of the SD cards (mmc1 and mmc2) |
| 15:19.28 | |R | if i want to use the SD cards to stock extra programs, i need to be able to execute them :/ |
| 15:19.31 | zoran | ah, had an issue few days ago! |
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| 15:19.54 | zoran | maybe could help to say what I did to haev on 770: |
| 15:20.04 | |R | yep :) |
| 15:20.06 | zoran | 1. partition - vfat |
| 15:20.13 | zoran | 2. part - swap |
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| 15:20.22 | zoran | 3rd one - ext2 |
| 15:20.36 | zoran | the third is the biggest one |
| 15:21.05 | |R | you don't have problems with ext2 umounting incorrectly? |
| 15:21.13 | zoran | not at all |
| 15:21.23 | zoran | I concidered ext3... |
| 15:21.24 | |R | and is ext2 overlayed on some of the SD magic to make sure it doesn't burn the card to quickly? :) |
| 15:21.37 | |R | but ext3 will write to your card every 5 sec... :/ |
| 15:21.43 | zoran | but is was said exactly that for ext3 |
| 15:21.52 | zoran | yes, correct |
| 15:22.04 | zoran | so chose no 2 |
| 15:22.14 | |R | and then you join point /usr/local to the card? :) |
| 15:22.16 | zoran | no == number |
| 15:22.37 | zoran | hm, I was a little picky :) |
| 15:22.38 | |R | it's going to be a pain to have to extract everything by hand though :/ |
| 15:22.46 | sciboy | Is having swap on an SD card advisable? =| |
| 15:22.54 | zoran | I think so |
| 15:22.55 | |R | i wish i could continue using apt-get without having to boot from SD and such hacks |
| 15:23.20 | zoran | I made soft links from card to home place |
| 15:23.27 | |R | i'd skip the swap partition in the n800 case as it is creating a .swap file on the fat already |
| 15:23.41 | sciboy | But doesn't it have a limited lifespan? Heavy swapping would eat away at it. |
| 15:24.04 | zoran | wouldn't last forever |
| 15:24.42 | zoran | for opera on 770 it is necessary to turn pictures off to not use swap |
| 15:24.57 | zoran | links works great, no swap |
| 15:25.11 | |R | if you write to the card every minute and it can stand 100k write (suposing even writing) you'll get 5+ years |
| 15:25.32 | |R | actually more like ~4.5 |
| 15:25.33 | zoran | you think ext2 writes every minute? |
| 15:25.34 | |R | but whatever :) |
| 15:25.39 | |R | no |
| 15:25.52 | zoran | I put 0 0 in fstab |
| 15:26.25 | |R | that doesn't change anything :) |
| 15:26.31 | zoran | hm |
| 15:26.45 | zoran | I sleep happily |
| 15:26.48 | |R | it's if it has to be dumped and the order in which it gets fsck-ed in case of recovery |
| 15:26.56 | zoran | yes |
| 15:27.02 | zoran | and at start up |
| 15:27.05 | |R | won't affect write i guess :) |
| 15:27.15 | zoran | not sure, probably no |
| 15:27.38 | zoran | mmc card is not so expensive |
| 15:27.56 | sxpert-work | sd & friends are dirt cheap nowadays |
| 15:28.12 | zoran | kingston in my case |
| 15:28.31 | zoran | el chipo |
| 15:28.43 | zoran | on vfat? |
| 15:28.51 | |R | yep |
| 15:29.07 | zoran | I read mount (8) million times this days |
| 15:29.14 | |R | hehe |
| 15:29.21 | zoran | and mount_msdosfs |
| 15:29.24 | |R | mount -n -o remount,exec /media/mmc2 doesn't work |
| 15:29.27 | zoran | for -l and -o |
| 15:29.44 | |R | which is pretty weird :| |
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| 15:30.22 | zoran | k, should be mount -t vfat /media/mmc2 /something |
| 15:30.34 | zoran | but linux also has -t msdos |
| 15:30.51 | zoran | msdos means short file names |
| 15:30.57 | zoran | vfat is longnames |
| 15:31.13 | zoran | on bsd is is a headache |
| 15:31.42 | zoran | I had to mount_msdosfs -l -o longnames /dev/da0s1 /flashdisk |
| 15:32.03 | zoran | kingston technician advised me to reformat |
| 15:32.13 | |R | hehe |
| 15:32.24 | zoran | format to what? |
| 15:32.42 | |R | there is no vfat support ? |
| 15:32.47 | zoran | on bsd newfs_msdos -F 32 /dev/da0 |
| 15:33.05 | zoran | it shoud be long names option |
| 15:33.10 | zoran | *should |
| 15:33.42 | |R | uhm i can exec on fat after umount / mount |
| 15:33.55 | zoran | say again! |
| 15:33.55 | |R | so just need to find the damn option so i don't have to do this by hand ;) |
| 15:34.27 | zoran | on ext2 it should be: ./myfile |
| 15:34.32 | |R | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:34.41 | |R | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:34.43 | zoran | on vfat probably: myfile |
| 15:34.45 | |R | card 1 without remount |
| 15:34.50 | |R | card to with remount (no options) |
| 15:34.53 | |R | to/2 |
| 15:35.26 | zoran | ah, lucky guy, you have two cards! |
| 15:35.35 | |R | hehe :) |
| 15:35.46 | zoran | you folks know what to live for |
| 15:36.44 | zoran | |R, should not be prob to run a file from vfat |
| 15:37.00 | zoran | that way I reflashed 770 |
| 15:37.10 | |R | i just don't want to have to mount by hand :| |
| 15:37.18 | zoran | unix way |
| 15:37.33 | zoran | you could mount it from fstab |
| 15:38.28 | zoran | for ext2 kernel module should be loaded |
| 15:38.40 | |R | weird thing is... the fstab default entry is mounting mmc1 where mmc2 actually is, so i think it's not even used |
| 15:39.03 | zoran | df ? |
| 15:39.04 | sciboy | Okay, I'll be keeping the included minisd in the battery slot of the n800, my 4GB SD from my GP2X going in the outer one. |
| 15:39.11 | zoran | do you see it |
| 15:39.20 | |R | yep, df is having device *0 to mmc2 and fstab to mmc1 |
| 15:39.23 | |R | yep |
| 15:39.45 | zoran | could you paste it? |
| 15:39.56 | |R | that's what i pasted earlier :) |
| 15:40.09 | |R | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:40.10 | |R | etc |
| 15:40.13 | zoran | ah, I use psybnc, short buffer |
| 15:40.18 | |R | uh 2 sec |
| 15:40.18 | |R | ehhe |
| 15:40.26 | |R | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:40.31 | |R | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:41.07 | |R | while the fstab is for the first card on mmc2: |
| 15:41.10 | |R | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:41.14 | |R | go figure :P |
| 15:41.30 | zoran | you change it, I think |
| 15:41.47 | zoran | mmcblk0p1 is on mmc1 or 2? |
| 15:42.40 | |R | mmc2 |
| 15:42.56 | zoran | k, no big deal |
| 15:43.07 | zoran | and yu see second card? |
| 15:43.09 | |R | i changed it in fstab and can use fstab to mount/umount and its alright |
| 15:43.25 | |R | but it seems that at the boot it doesn't care about that fstab |
| 15:43.33 | |R | yep, both cards work just fine |
| 15:43.54 | zoran | noauto means ++ don't mount it at boot |
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| 15:44.45 | ttuttle | Hey. |
| 15:44.49 | zoran | /dev/mmcblk0p1 /media/mmc1 dafault 0 0 |
| 15:44.55 | zoran | *default |
| 15:44.59 | zoran | or defaults |
| 15:45.05 | zoran | works for me |
| 15:45.38 | |R | yep works too with all the same options but exec instead of noexec... let me try to reboot :) |
| 15:45.49 | zoran | :) |
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| 15:55.42 | zoran | what kingston memories have as default file system, as you bought it vanilla |
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| 16:01.26 | pupnik | 2 minutes to Horton |
| 16:02.01 | |R | uhm, if i use swap i can't remount without removing the swap first, so even manually i'm screwed for the internal card... /me is going to look around init.d |
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| 16:03.51 | zoran | if the swap is in a "file on card" format |
| 16:04.03 | |R | yep |
| 16:04.07 | zoran | why not as partition? |
| 16:04.20 | zoran | no more headache with unount |
| 16:04.27 | |R | it would be simpler without and i could reuse the cards faster too |
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| 16:07.00 | ttuttle | brb |
| 16:08.00 | zoran | F1 is probably boot manager |
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| 16:10.32 | ttuttle | back |
| 16:11.23 | zoran | cool |
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| 16:13.38 | zoran | anybody could check kingston way of making fs? |
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| 16:19.41 | pupnik | ahh finally horton is on |
| 16:20.02 | zoran | pupnik, what is horton? |
| 16:22.18 | pupnik | the scott horton show, streaming live right now @ kaos959.com |
| 16:22.24 | pupnik | good stuff every day |
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| 16:47.03 | lardman | anyone with good integer representation skills here? |
| 16:47.17 | lardman | I want to convert a 64bit type into a 32bit int |
| 16:47.20 | pupnik | 1 2 3 |
| 16:47.21 | pupnik | oh |
| 16:47.25 | mgedmin | 2 + 2 = ? |
| 16:47.41 | pupnik | unsigned? >> 32 :) |
| 16:47.53 | lardman | no, signed |
| 16:47.54 | mgedmin | what language? how do you want to handle overflows? |
| 16:48.19 | lardman | C, no overflows, I'll only convert if the return is an error value (i.e. <0 and small) |
| 16:48.23 | mgedmin | is the 64bit type an int or something else (fixed-point)? |
| 16:48.30 | lardman | it's a struct |
| 16:48.46 | lardman | hang on, I'll find the definition and pastebin it |
| 16:49.12 | lardman | struct to represent an int because no 64bit types available, etc. |
| 16:51.09 | lardman | http://pastebin.ca/738777 |
| 16:53.09 | mgedmin | ah, no, just use the 'lo' member to get a 32-bit signed equivalent of the 64-bit number |
| 16:53.24 | lardman | will it be signed though? |
| 16:53.29 | mgedmin | to check for overflow you'd check whether 'hi' was 0 (when lo > 0) or -1 (when lo < 0) |
| 16:53.50 | mgedmin | I don't know whether ogg_int32_t is signed or not |
| 16:53.57 | lardman | yes |
| 16:54.09 | mgedmin | but the bit pattern will be correct for a signed number (assuming two's complement, which every modern architecture uses) |
| 16:54.35 | mgedmin | also, when in doubt, write a unit test |
| 16:54.49 | lardman | I know, just lots to do and I may forget about it |
| 16:55.03 | lardman | I'll write a post-it to check! |
| 16:55.06 | lardman | Thanks |
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| 17:43.52 | milhouse | _monkey, seen timeless? |
| 17:43.52 | _Monkey | timeless was last seen on #maemo 5 hours, 54 minutes and 58 seconds ago, saying: gomiam: i'm not sure many people use it :( [Tue Oct 16 12:48:52 2007] |
| 17:44.08 | milhouse | slacker :( |
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| 20:04.56 | sciboy | =) |
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| 20:11.30 | sciboy | From my google searches I can assume Maemo doesn't have many games? |
| 20:11.51 | pupnik | maemo - development platform for Nokia Internet Tablets |
| 20:12.05 | pupnik | ITOS - Operating system for Nokia Internet Tablets |
| 20:12.11 | pupnik | but you're correct |
| 20:13.05 | sciboy | Would game development for the device be the kind of thing most users would appreciate though? |
| 20:13.32 | [31d1] | i want someone to port pileobubbles to 770 |
| 20:13.35 | pupnik | i'd say the userbase is not particularly interested in games |
| 20:13.37 | [31d1] | tia |
| 20:13.45 | Jiten_ | well, even if not, it would make the device more interesting to users who do appreciate it |
| 20:14.32 | pupnik | [31d1] open in your browser http://www.wickedpissahgames.com/games/pileobubbles/PileOBubbles.html |
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| 20:14.37 | Jiten_ | personally, I'm not planning on using it for gaming. communication device and study aid. |
| 20:14.47 | [31d1] | it wouldnt work when i tried it |
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| 20:16.33 | pupnik | or download the swf http://www.wickedpissahgames.com/games/pileobubbles/PileOBubbles.swf |
| 20:17.36 | [31d1] | also the swf wouldn't work on standalone iirc |
| 20:17.45 | pupnik | trying it |
| 20:18.10 | kala | what about xmame and nintendo and ... |
| 20:18.11 | pupnik | doesn't work here in standalone |
| 20:18.15 | sciboy | I've pretty much decided to do a browser-based adventure game for the N800 specifically anyway. |
| 20:18.29 | pupnik | kala xmame works, nintendo us provided by fceu |
| 20:18.48 | kala | ... and scummvm |
| 20:18.51 | kala | I see them listed in my app manager |
| 20:19.00 | kala | I suppose there are plenty of games for them |
| 20:19.04 | [31d1] | best gam since tetris except not really |
| 20:19.10 | Jiten_ | I'm currently looking at what tools I'll use to port this pyQT program called mnemosyne to n800. Do you think I should use glade for it? |
| 20:19.32 | pupnik | very cool game [31d1] |
| 20:19.37 | sciboy | Unless the interest is there though, I'd probably focus on multiplatform stuff afterwards. |
| 20:22.11 | [31d1] | pile o bubbles inspired me to learn flash, but all i managed to make was a thing where you click a dot |
| 20:22.22 | [31d1] | and a flying butt |
| 20:22.25 | sciboy | Flash makes me cry. |
| 20:23.37 | pupnik | it's an impressive game from a computing algorithm standpoint |
| 20:24.09 | sciboy | It's going to be fun being able to target a specific platform though, knowing the exact resolution, processing power, input method etc. |
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| 20:25.45 | Jiten_ | to glade or not to glade... |
| 20:27.20 | sciboy | XHTML/CSS/Javascript, No sound or save points, but I will be splitting the gameplay and story into bite-size parts selectable from the main screen. |
| 20:28.25 | florian | re |
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| 20:37.42 | Ar-ras | re |
| 20:38.17 | Ar-ras | is it normal that the camera of the N800 makes so crappy videos/images? |
| 20:38.52 | celesteh | yes, it is, alas |
| 20:39.02 | |R | hehe |
| 20:39.28 | Ar-ras | alas? |
| 20:39.38 | Ar-ras | :D |
| 20:39.54 | Ar-ras | man that so worse |
| 20:40.00 | celesteh | alas and alak |
| 20:40.59 | Ar-ras | i own now N800 for 3 month |
| 20:41.10 | Ar-ras | and thought that it would have camera support |
| 20:41.37 | Ar-ras | and there is no software for videochat for n800 <> PC |
| 20:41.43 | pupnik | Alas, alak, a lass, I lack |
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| 20:41.59 | pupnik | yes i think there is Gizmo or soemthign |
| 20:42.09 | Ar-ras | i tried Gizmo |
| 20:42.15 | Ar-ras | doesnt work |
| 20:42.16 | Ar-ras | :( |
| 20:42.27 | Ar-ras | could it be firmware dependent? |
| 20:43.58 | Jiten_ | what version do you have? |
| 20:44.05 | Ar-ras | recent firmware |
| 20:44.31 | Jiten_ | it installs but doesn't work or it doesn't even install? |
| 20:44.44 | Ar-ras | it installs |
| 20:44.47 | Ar-ras | it runs |
| 20:44.51 | Ar-ras | but video doesnt work |
| 20:45.03 | Ar-ras | in internettablettalk.com |
| 20:45.14 | Ar-ras | they say that it would work on some devices |
| 20:45.34 | Ar-ras | some have luck and it works |
| 20:47.03 | Ar-ras | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9425 |
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| 20:48.17 | Jiten_ | I see |
| 20:49.18 | Ar-ras | i installed , and uninstalled |
| 20:49.31 | Ar-ras | and now |
| 20:49.56 | Ar-ras | erm |
| 20:50.00 | Ar-ras | you know |
| 20:50.07 | Ar-ras | if you put out the webcam |
| 20:50.13 | Ar-ras | flip out the webcam? |
| 20:50.24 | Ar-ras | dont know the correct english word for that |
| 20:50.45 | Ar-ras | ok when you extract the webacm |
| 20:51.03 | Ar-ras | then it dont runs this googletalk client |
| 20:51.10 | Ar-ras | automatically |
| 20:51.58 | Ar-ras | do you have link to the direct download of the old firmware files? |
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| 20:58.48 | pupnik | Ar-ras: you need to enter your product code to get them |
| 20:59.47 | Ar-ras | thats no problem |
| 20:59.47 | Ar-ras | D |
| 20:59.49 | Ar-ras | :D |
| 21:00.04 | Ar-ras | but i dont find the link |
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| 21:01.36 | pupnik | flasher? |
| 21:01.37 | _Monkey | flasher is available from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com |
| 21:01.46 | shapr | I just got a bluetooth dongle, how do I pair with my desktop? |
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| 21:06.50 | kala | anyone knows how to use something in the "Beneath a Steel Sky" under scummvm? |
| 21:06.52 | kala | :) |
| 21:07.09 | pupnik | i played through it a few years ago |
| 21:07.27 | kala | well, I can pick up a rung or something, but how to use it on the door? |
| 21:07.53 | pupnik | can't remember, sorry |
| 21:08.30 | Ar-ras | try to push or press |
| 21:09.15 | kala | oh, I got the menu :) |
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| 21:09.26 | kala | auto-hide on the top of the screen :) |
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| 21:22.32 | flip^ | can you rename the default program groups in the app menu (Web, Utilities, Tools, etc)? |
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| 21:53.26 | penguinbait | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:53.42 | penguinbait | you think this is comcast stopping my mail server? |
| 21:53.58 | penguinbait | what the heck does deferred mean |
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| 22:01.06 | pupnik | postponed |
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| 22:04.08 | NeoStrider | hello folks |
| 22:04.14 | NeoStrider | keesj: are you there? |
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| 22:58.53 | zerojay | penguinbait: Pretty sure Comcast does not allow you to host a mail server. |
| 23:02.51 | penguinbait | had one for 5 years |
| 23:02.56 | penguinbait | its killing me |
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| 23:25.00 | lopz | re |
| 23:27.04 | sp3000 | http://www.google.fi/search?q="taska+dn"+site:maemo.org&filter=0 |
| 23:27.20 | sp3000 | bugs.maemo.org linkifies the url only up to q :( |
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| 23:46.35 | Esworp | what are the criteria for vudochst over google talk? i gave yet to have it work. |
| 23:46.50 | Esworp | er. vidchat |
| 23:48.28 | pupnik | i still need to get voip goin on 770 |
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| 23:52.52 | pupnik | 52 4F 4E 20 50 41 55 4C 20 32 30 30 38 20 21 21 21 |
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| 23:56.17 | Esworp | nice number sequence. you must be left-handed |
| 23:59.20 | ds3 | wireless key? =) |
