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| 00:08.53 | eswon800 | bah. |
| 00:08.55 | pupnik | ? |
| 00:09.31 | eswon800 | the download glitch is bumming me out. |
| 00:11.06 | eswon800 | .deb files are recognized by opera as openable, and downloads dont work properly. |
| 00:13.33 | eswon800 | didnt start till after i restored after a firmwared update. |
| 00:15.11 | eswon800 | maybe they changed something |
| 00:16.13 | eswon800 | where in the file structure would i go a-hunting, you suppose? |
| 00:17.06 | pupnik | do you have free space on flash memory? |
| 00:17.46 | pupnik | do they open app manager at all? |
| 00:20.01 | eswon800 | i have space, and 'open' is grayed out. the file doesn't download right, so the manager doesn't open it. |
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| 00:20.38 | eswon800 | the percentage progress goes up and down for a bit, then the xfer stalls. |
| 00:22.56 | pupnik | never seen that before - sounds like opera problem |
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| 00:23.17 | pupnik | use apt-get or wget and local file install |
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| 00:24.44 | eswon800 | i think i'll dl another browser; see if it's the browser, or something else |
| 00:27.09 | bobbywaz | can someone tell me how I can get verbose errors in the app manager? i can't install shh and it doesn't say why |
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| 00:27.38 | pupnik | there's a log in app mgr |
| 00:27.46 | atun | !list |
| 00:29.38 | bobbywaz | thanks |
| 00:30.03 | eswon800 | doh! i can do a local install; the downloads don't complete |
| 00:39.32 | timeless | rm |
| 00:39.42 | timeless | anyone here speak finnish? |
| 00:40.08 | timeless | i'm looking for robin hood's finnish time slot |
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| 01:01.52 | zerojay | Someone should port this: http://www.pineight.com/tod/ |
| 01:02.21 | zerojay | So we can have a way to induce vomitting no matter where you are. |
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| 01:03.11 | JesseT77 | Haldo |
| 01:04.57 | JesseT77 | dpryo: Hello! |
| 01:05.45 | JesseT77 | dpryo: What model gps unit were you speaking of before, BU-353 or similar? |
| 01:07.27 | pupnik | zerojay: what is that? |
| 01:08.22 | pupnik | zerojay: what are you referring to on that page? |
| 01:08.55 | JesseT77 | pupnik: It's a psycho version of tetris, makes you sick if you try and play it. |
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| 01:14.29 | Deformative | Does anyone have an assembler on their nokia? |
| 01:14.30 | pupnik | you mean lockjaw? |
| 01:15.13 | Deformative | ? |
| 01:17.00 | pupnik | re JesseT77 |
| 01:18.24 | Deformative | ?? |
| 01:18.51 | pupnik | i'm talking to someone else |
| 01:18.57 | pupnik | i.e. not you, Deformative |
| 01:19.04 | Deformative | Oh. |
| 01:19.09 | Deformative | Could you be talking to me? |
| 01:19.18 | Deformative | I cannot find an assembler in the repository. |
| 01:19.37 | pupnik | only thing i know that assembles is gcc |
| 01:19.48 | Deformative | Gcc installation fails. |
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| 02:24.12 | edt | any ideas why gstreamer / mediaplayer would decide that formally playable videos now have unsupported codex (it reports this ONLY after buffering) |
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| 04:52.19 | bobbywaz | hello guys |
| 04:52.29 | bobbywaz | can someone help me. I seem to have broken my wifi on my n800 |
| 04:52.49 | bobbywaz | I don't want to reflash it since I spent the entire day setting it up |
| 04:53.05 | bobbywaz | ..and also because whatever's wrong might be in a config file that will backup |
| 04:53.57 | kupesoft | Did you try rebooting? |
| 04:54.03 | bobbywaz | yes |
| 04:54.07 | kupesoft | Okay |
| 04:54.31 | bobbywaz | when I goto select connection, nothing shows but my cell profiles, and there are like 15-20 routers I can see usually |
| 04:54.43 | kupesoft | lsmod? |
| 04:55.51 | bobbywaz | lsmod... |
| 04:55.56 | bobbywaz | I just installed cifs support |
| 04:56.04 | bobbywaz | I don't know what lsmod means though |
| 04:56.06 | bobbywaz | I'm nub |
| 04:56.55 | bobbywaz | I used insmod ./cifs.ko |
| 04:57.01 | bobbywaz | could this have something to do with it |
| 04:57.30 | kupesoft | Dunno, |
| 04:57.30 | _Monkey | Dunno, is probably a beta of something that, in brief, hasn't been applied in community projects before - or not that we know - so just try and tell us what you like, what you miss, what you think hasn't got a point |
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| 05:25.37 | czr | pupnik, gas assembles (gcc internally calls it ;-) |
| 05:25.43 | czr | and morning |
| 05:25.44 | _Monkey | aloha |
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| 06:44.32 | unique311 | anyone successfully compile OWB? |
| 06:44.32 | unique311 | YAWB |
| 06:44.32 | sciboy | Yet another wine blog? |
| 06:44.32 | unique311 | yet another web browser |
| 06:44.33 | unique311 | http://www.sand-labs.org/owb/wiki/OwbN800 |
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| 06:44.33 | unique311 | followed those steps, getting an error on cmake. |
| 06:44.33 | unique311 | which is the command before make for the browser |
| 06:44.33 | sciboy | What's the error? |
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| 06:44.33 | czr | any idea what com.nokia.AS_DIMMED_infoprint well-known name represents? :-) |
| 06:44.33 | unique311 | cmake ../owb-n800 |
| 06:44.33 | unique311 | host_usr/bin/cmake: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 06:44.33 | unique311 | i went thru all the steps, made sure that file is located where its supposed to be. |
| 06:44.33 | unique311 | still get the error |
| 06:45.35 | sciboy | Is it the right version for that platform? |
| 06:45.57 | sciboy | A 32-bit app under 64-bit still requires 32-bit libraries and will complain when it can't find any. |
| 06:47.00 | unique311 | i'm guessing it os |
| 06:49.52 | unique311 | is |
| 06:49.52 | unique311 | followed all the links. |
| 06:49.53 | unique311 | you saying wrong cmake? |
| 06:49.53 | sciboy | Maybe, try different stuff out and see what happens. |
| 06:49.53 | sciboy | I was saying more along the lines of making sure you got the right version of libstdc++.so.6 for cmake |
| 06:49.53 | unique311 | mkdir lib && cp -l /targets/SDK_X86/usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6* lib |
| 06:49.55 | sciboy | Under amd64 debian, I usually do, |
| 06:50.03 | sciboy | apt-file search <file> to find which package has it. |
| 06:50.05 | unique311 | the SDK_X86 part should be the armel libs? |
| 06:50.28 | sciboy | Go to http://package.debian.org/<package-name> and download the i386 package. |
| 06:50.49 | sciboy | Then run dpkg -X <package-file> /emul/ia32-linux/ |
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| 06:51.04 | sciboy | After that the 32-bit application has what it wants. |
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| 07:12.42 | unique311 | i'll just use minimo. |
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| 07:23.21 | sciboy | unique311, MicroB and Minimo are two different things right? |
| 07:26.50 | unique311 | well |
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| 07:26.50 | unique311 | 2 different web browsers |
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| 07:26.50 | unique311 | i use microb |
| 07:26.50 | sciboy | Does it work well? |
| 07:26.50 | unique311 | but been trying those iphone friendly site |
| 07:26.50 | unique311 | microb do well with them |
| 07:26.50 | unique311 | just want to try out different browsers and see which gives best result |
| 07:26.50 | unique311 | read that minimo crashes alot. |
| 07:26.51 | unique311 | still going to try it out. |
| 07:30.50 | unique311 | sciboy: here's screenies of minimo http://tonikitoo.blogspot.com/2007/03/minimo-maemo-port-01611-1-available.html |
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| 07:52.43 | unique311 | minimo wins... |
| 07:53.00 | sciboy | Wins what? |
| 07:53.36 | gomiam | sciboy: unique311 means minimo works better for him than the vanilla Opera browser, I guess. |
| 07:53.55 | unique311 | yeah |
| 07:54.06 | sciboy | But compared to microb? |
| 07:54.08 | unique311 | works better with the iphone sites... |
| 07:54.22 | unique311 | better than microb with |
| 07:54.25 | unique311 | strong with |
| 07:54.33 | unique311 | the iphone friendly sites. |
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| 07:55.31 | unique311 | i like the tabs |
| 07:55.39 | unique311 | can microb or opera do tabs? |
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| 08:07.04 | czr | hmm. are the introspection informations missing from com.nokia.statusbar missing by purpose? |
| 08:07.27 | czr | (or any of the other D-Bus objects in the SDK for that matter) |
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| 08:36.11 | bergie | interesting... http://tabletblog.com/2007/10/third-tablet-gets-name-nokia-n810.html |
| 08:38.48 | pupnik | yes ty |
| 08:42.11 | GeneralAntilles | Ooooh, cool. |
| 08:43.26 | sciboy | I am now lagging, yay for uploads! |
| 08:46.58 | pupnik | doesn't 810 imply an 800+wimax? |
| 08:47.44 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, doesn't sound like a generational upgrade. |
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| 08:48.18 | sciboy | Good! |
| 08:48.19 | sciboy | =D |
| 08:48.36 | GeneralAntilles | Wimax couldn't possibly interest me any less. |
| 08:48.39 | sciboy | Means the focus is still on developing this generations device. |
| 08:48.53 | gla55 | the name implies 800+ something little |
| 08:48.55 | gla55 | like wimax |
| 08:49.10 | gla55 | nokia probably needs a wimax product for pilot projects etc |
| 08:49.20 | GeneralAntilles | sciboy, they've already said that they're not going to drop support for the N800 like they did the 770. >_> |
| 08:49.25 | gla55 | but i coldn't care less about wimax either |
| 08:49.38 | gla55 | GeneralAntilles: saying doesn't make things so ;) |
| 08:49.47 | sciboy | GeneralAntilles, Yeah but even with a new device that means developers would slowly abandon ship. |
| 08:50.13 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:50.18 | GeneralAntilles | The 770 is still quite well supported by developers (except where limited by power), so I don't see the point. |
| 08:50.56 | gla55 | if the new device had more buttons etc.. that would mean apps not suitable for the old devices and support slowly dropping |
| 08:51.00 | sciboy | The point doesn't matter at all since it won't be happening. |
| 08:51.06 | sciboy | Yay N800! |
| 08:51.58 | pupnik | as far as this user is concerned, any new nokia still has to beat the 770 |
| 08:52.12 | flip^ | never been tempted by a n800 pupnik ? |
| 08:52.13 | GeneralAntilles | Psh, the N800 has already soundly done that. |
| 08:52.29 | pupnik | yes but not $400 tempted |
| 08:52.43 | GeneralAntilles | It's only $230. |
| 08:52.57 | pupnik | closer to $400 in germany |
| 08:53.06 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, right, sorry about that. ;) |
| 08:53.07 | flip^ | $230 for a n800... i know i'm on a different currency, but that sounds very low |
| 08:53.16 | GeneralAntilles | That's what it is. |
| 08:53.17 | GeneralAntilles | buy.com |
| 08:53.18 | _Monkey | i think buy.com is awesome because they ship free and dont charge tax a lot of places |
| 08:54.19 | flip^ | are they US only? ;) |
| 08:54.26 | GeneralAntilles | Yup |
| 08:54.43 | flip^ | shame |
| 08:54.59 | flip^ | and i've lost touch with my american friends that could have mailed it to me... but i've got mine now anyways |
| 08:55.36 | sciboy | I just got my N800 from the only local store that stocks it. |
| 08:55.45 | sciboy | Dispite the lack of said price drop. =( |
| 08:55.49 | flip^ | I don't think we've got a store round here that stocks it |
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| 08:59.46 | cy- | sup |
| 08:59.55 | sciboy | Flaming monkeys! |
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| 09:11.11 | czr | flying beavers |
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| 09:34.01 | sciboy | So the N800 can't handle 800x480 video at a reasonable rate? |
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| 09:34.42 | flip^ | depends on the encoding, sciboy ... it'll cope with a lot of videos in mplayer, but if its re-encoded to be optimised for the n800, you can get decent playback |
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| 09:35.23 | GeneralAntilles | 1000-1500Kbps Xvid/MP4 @ 400x240 (padded) |
| 09:35.27 | GeneralAntilles | That's the resolution to use. |
| 09:35.30 | GeneralAntilles | Period. |
| 09:35.31 | sciboy | Oh good, cause the guides I read said to stick to 400x240 |
| 09:35.33 | sciboy | =| |
| 09:35.35 | sciboy | Damn. |
| 09:35.37 | GeneralAntilles | Pixel doubling |
| 09:35.38 | _Monkey | Pixel doubling is probably fun |
| 09:35.50 | GeneralAntilles | Looks good and runs cleanly. |
| 09:36.12 | guardian | morning maemo |
| 09:37.34 | sciboy | I'll have to wait and see then. |
| 09:37.51 | TPC | GeneralAntilles, does it really have to be padded? |
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| 09:38.49 | GeneralAntilles | Well, since there isn't a video on the planet in a 10:3 aspect ratio . . . yes. |
| 09:39.04 | sciboy | I guess my first impression is that'd be bad, but it's probably a different story when you go from 75dpi to what ever the tablet screens are. |
| 09:39.05 | GeneralAntilles | erm, 5:3, rather |
| 09:39.07 | GeneralAntilles | ;) |
| 09:39.22 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, it looks fine at that rez. |
| 09:39.24 | TPC | no what I mean is, doesn't it work just as well if its 320x240 for 4:3 movies? |
| 09:39.30 | HGFB | I wonder if we'll see any video playback improvement in the N810 |
| 09:39.43 | TPC | or can't it use the hardware pixel doubling if you do that? |
| 09:40.00 | GeneralAntilles | Probably 4:3 is fine. |
| 09:40.34 | sciboy | Holy crap, 225dpi? |
| 09:40.44 | GeneralAntilles | But I'm not familiar enough with the intricacies of media playback on the N800 to say for sure. |
| 09:40.46 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe, yeah. |
| 09:41.03 | sciboy | ... Something tells me the screen is a whole lot smaller than I am expecting. |
| 09:41.38 | GeneralAntilles | 4.5" |
| 09:41.41 | GeneralAntilles | or 4.1" |
| 09:41.43 | GeneralAntilles | Don't remember. |
| 09:41.58 | sciboy | Those measurements mean nothing to me. |
| 09:42.04 | TPC | yep, the 225dpi is very nice |
| 09:42.09 | TPC | this is what I've been using: mencoder -o "n800/filename.avi" -oac mp3lame -lameopts preset=128 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vbitrate=600:threads=4 -zoom -vf dsize=400:240:2,scale -idx "filename.avi" |
| 09:42.28 | GeneralAntilles | 10.5cm |
| 09:42.37 | sciboy | GeneralAntilles, Diagonal? |
| 09:42.41 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 09:42.47 | TPC | the dsize means that it scales to either the x or the y value, depending on what what would make it the largest |
| 09:42.48 | GeneralAntilles | 9.0x5.5cm |
| 09:42.50 | TPC | but it doesn't do padding |
| 09:43.14 | GeneralAntilles | I'll have to try that, TPC |
| 09:43.16 | TPC | its worked very well for me at least, nice quality, small size, fast encoding speed |
| 09:43.37 | GeneralAntilles | Make it easier than padding by hand. |
| 09:44.25 | sciboy | GeneralAntilles, Damn, much smaller than I was expecting. |
| 09:44.29 | TPC | dsize is a pretty new addition to mencoder iirc |
| 09:44.53 | sciboy | At least it'll fit in my pocket. |
| 09:44.56 | GeneralAntilles | Gotta fit in your pocket,. |
| 09:44.59 | GeneralAntilles | Erm, yeah. ;) |
| 09:45.15 | TPC | I think the N800 screen size is very nice |
| 09:45.44 | sciboy | I honestly don't know what to expect now. |
| 09:45.47 | TPC | the pda I had before was about the same height, but it wasn't widescreen |
| 09:45.52 | TPC | and it was only 320x320 |
| 09:46.16 | TPC | and it was reasonably fine for watching movies, etc |
| 09:46.22 | TPC | but N800 is great for it |
| 09:46.32 | sciboy | I have a GP2X, 320x240. |
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| 09:47.29 | GeneralAntilles | N800 is absolutely fantastic. |
| 09:47.37 | TPC | what I especially like about the high resolution compared to screen size on the N800, is when reading ebooks |
| 09:47.50 | TPC | its much better than reading on a computer screen, or my old pda |
| 09:48.15 | sciboy | I'll be viewing images at a short distance. |
| 09:48.16 | GeneralAntilles | It's gotta be the greatest ebook reader on the market. |
| 09:48.19 | TPC | a normal computer screen is about 100 DPI, when they print paper books they print at about 300 DPI |
| 09:48.22 | GeneralAntilles | Images look fanstastic |
| 09:48.34 | GeneralAntilles | minus the 64k-color screen. |
| 09:48.44 | sciboy | minus? |
| 09:48.45 | GeneralAntilles | Hopefully that gets improved in the next version. |
| 09:48.46 | TPC | for reading you only really need two colors :P |
| 09:48.58 | GeneralAntilles | You really notice it with gradients and such. |
| 09:49.00 | TPC | (and those should not be black and white, too high contrast) |
| 09:49.12 | sciboy | Oh, it's only a 8-bit panel K. |
| 09:49.32 | GeneralAntilles | I use white on black at a low brightness. |
| 09:49.34 | GeneralAntilles | Looks great |
| 09:49.36 | sciboy | But isn't it less noticable at 225dpi? |
| 09:49.59 | TPC | GeneralAntilles, try light grey on black instead |
| 09:50.04 | TPC | trust me, its even better |
| 09:50.05 | GeneralAntilles | Gradients? Hardly. |
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| 09:50.15 | GeneralAntilles | At low-brightness, the text basically is gray. ;) |
| 09:50.15 | TPC | and you can read for alot longer and not have your eyes take damage |
| 09:50.34 | TPC | yeah |
| 09:50.39 | TPC | but with a light gray its even better |
| 09:50.53 | TPC | and sometimes you have to go to high brightness (if outside on a sunny day or something) |
| 09:51.11 | GeneralAntilles | Gray is pointless |
| 09:51.13 | sciboy | It is actually viewable outdoors? |
| 09:51.19 | GeneralAntilles | adjust the white intensity with the backpanel |
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| 09:51.24 | GeneralAntilles | saves the battery. |
| 09:51.26 | GeneralAntilles | Yes. |
| 09:51.36 | TPC | yes, but in direct sunlight its hard to see things |
| 09:51.37 | GeneralAntilles | I live in Florida and it's fine in summer sunlight. |
| 09:51.50 | GeneralAntilles | Transreflective would be nice. |
| 09:51.55 | GeneralAntilles | But it's fine as it is. |
| 09:52.01 | HGFB | The only time I have problems seeing my N800 is in very strong direct sunlight |
| 09:52.17 | HGFB | Normally on the train to work when I actually want to see it though :) |
| 09:52.20 | sciboy | TPC, Hard, being, squint your eyes and try to see anything but the lcd itself, or really washed out colours but still easily recognisable? |
| 09:53.44 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody use the device over VNC? |
| 09:53.48 | TPC | sciboy, you can see good enough to control some apps, like changing song when playing music, but I wouldn't watch a movie or read a book in direct sunlight in the middle of the day |
| 09:54.04 | GeneralAntilles | Any recommendations for getting enter to send enter instead of bring up the fullscreen board? |
| 09:54.15 | TPC | but holding your hand up as shadow makes it viewable |
| 09:54.51 | TPC | and of course the sun is alot stronger at 10-14 than it is later in the afternoon, you might be fine in the afternoon, I really haven't tried it that much |
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| 09:57.37 | TPC | but its alot better than my old pda, my old pda I couldn't use outside at all |
| 10:10.53 | sciboy | Here's hoping. |
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| 10:13.21 | sciboy | Hi lard |
| 10:13.29 | lardman | morning sciboy |
| 10:24.07 | sciboy | Okay, news of my order should arrive tomorrow. |
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| 10:35.56 | sciboy | Seems pygame is the main way to go, but I might even use python for the backend and use the browser as the interface. |
| 10:42.11 | lardman | sloooow |
| 10:42.41 | sciboy | What is? |
| 10:42.47 | lardman | that would be I imagine |
| 10:42.56 | lardman | python + browser for a game |
| 10:43.01 | disq | i mixed pygame with gtk. using a gtk modal dialog to get input from the user |
| 10:43.29 | sciboy | I haven't tried the browsers under the n800 yet, but in theory it'd only be as fast as they are. |
| 10:45.07 | lardman | anyone here done any video decoding profiling? |
| 10:45.27 | sciboy | That aside, provided they're not incredibly slow the python backend wouldn't be doing much work, it's just to store users progress and serve files as needed. |
| 10:45.47 | sciboy | Also play sounds, if I ever get around to that. |
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| 10:52.50 | sciboy | Anyway advantage is that'd enable me to develop the content in a graphic environment. |
| 10:53.17 | lardman | what kind of game will this be? |
| 10:53.53 | sciboy | At its most demanding, basic side-scroller with point'n'click elements. |
| 10:58.31 | lardman | pupnik_: you're awfully quiet what with the mention of games! |
| 10:58.35 | lardman | :) |
| 10:58.42 | sciboy | Anyway, once I get my hands on my N800, it'll only take me an hour to find out how well it'd work out. |
| 10:59.07 | lardman | well good luck, games aren't really my thing I'm afraid |
| 10:59.26 | sciboy | I'm not a programmer so there isn't much else I can really contribute. =P |
| 11:02.55 | lardman | I seem to remember I learned to program so I could get around the security restrictions and play solitaire on my school network... :) |
| 11:03.09 | sciboy | Time well spent ey? |
| 11:03.24 | lardman | of course :) |
| 11:03.43 | sciboy | I got into art because I failed at programming. D: |
| 11:03.58 | lardman | *shudder* |
| 11:04.16 | lardman | I wasn't too good at art |
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| 11:04.30 | sciboy | I wasn't either 2 years ago. |
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| 11:04.55 | sciboy | But 2 years has been plenty of time to draw. |
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| 11:05.22 | lardman | give me 20 years perhaps :) |
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| 11:06.21 | sciboy | Or a bulk order of computer paper and lead for a mechanical pencil. |
| 11:07.04 | lardman | CAD package I reckon |
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| 11:08.20 | lardman | back to my earlier question, has anyone done any video decoding profiling? |
| 11:08.39 | sciboy | Web games make me cry but I'll be darned if I don't try to improve on it, considering the amount of work that has already gone into the browsers themselves. |
| 11:09.21 | lardman | I wonder whether you need the overhead of the rest of the browser, and how much that would impact performance |
| 11:09.41 | lardman | i.e. would it be better to rip out the html renderer and use that |
| 11:09.59 | sciboy | It'd make the demands sky rocket, but I'm doing my best to keep everything piss simple to compensate. |
| 11:10.43 | sciboy | Oh, the HTML renderer is where most of the work will be done, I doubt all the rest will do much. |
| 11:10.53 | lardman | ok |
| 11:12.17 | sciboy | The question is which browser should I execute through python? |
| 11:12.54 | sciboy | Does any of them have a command line option for disabling option or defaulting to fullscreen? |
| 11:13.03 | sciboy | options aka. toolbars* |
| 11:13.07 | lardman | I think opera works better, but the gecko-based one is supposed to have better support, and is being actively updated |
| 11:13.08 | pupnik_ | sciboy, next to gtk/hildon and python, there's also SDL and flash |
| 11:13.32 | lardman | s/support/support for web standards |
| 11:13.33 | sciboy | pupnik_, Both of which would be tons more difficult for me to work with. |
| 11:13.50 | sciboy | pupnik_, I'm thinking python and web browser right now. |
| 11:14.08 | sciboy | If the performance works out with a few animated objects on screen. |
| 11:14.32 | Jaffa | Joy, I seem to have fallen into receiving the opening salvos in a flamewar with Texrat on ITT. That was unplanned. |
| 11:14.48 | sciboy | Congratulations. |
| 11:14.51 | sciboy | Flamebait |
| 11:14.52 | pupnik_ | often the 'best tools for the job' are the tools you are familiar with |
| 11:16.04 | sciboy | pupnik_, I'm not touching flash authoring ever again. |
| 11:16.34 | sciboy | pupnik_, If the web browser doesn't work out I'll start playing with Pygame though. |
| 11:16.45 | sciboy | Had a look at Fenix? |
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| 11:17.03 | pupnik_ | no |
| 11:17.06 | jdjdjdjdjd | hi |
| 11:17.07 | sciboy | pupnik_, http://fenix.divsite.net/index.php?opcion=1&lang=en |
| 11:17.24 | jdjdjdjdjd | I'm trying to compile HAL for N770 using scratchbox |
| 11:20.19 | sciboy | pupnik_, I heard it mentioned quite a bit while I was still following the GP2X |
| 11:20.58 | pupnik_ | whatever is easiest |
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| 11:21.14 | pupnik_ | rapid prototyping, sketching out your ideas |
| 11:21.27 | lardman | jdjdjdjdjd: having any luck? |
| 11:21.39 | pupnik_ | then if you run into roadblocks, you can redo it in a lower level framework |
| 11:22.44 | sciboy | I probably wont, lower level frameworks aren't my idea of fun. |
| 11:23.08 | sciboy | If it doesn't work, I'll simplify the concept and its demands even further till it does. |
| 11:25.28 | sciboy | http://www.ekxd.com/productshtml/UMPC001.htm <- That reminds me of something, can't place what though. |
| 11:30.16 | jdjdjdjdjd | lardman, havent manage to do it |
| 11:30.26 | jdjdjdjdjd | lardman, any help? |
| 11:31.09 | lardman | jdjdjdjdjd: what's the problem? |
| 11:31.44 | jdjdjdjdjd | lardman I'm unable to compile the package |
| 11:32.04 | jdjdjdjdjd | is it supported for N770? |
| 11:32.50 | flip^ | is it at all possible to develop on the device itself? |
| 11:34.51 | lardman | jdjdjdjdjd: no idea, I do remember seeing something about Nokia thinking of using it in the future though |
| 11:35.03 | lardman | flip^: no gcc afaik |
| 11:36.33 | flip^ | i've got a gcc in my app manager, but its not installable :( |
| 11:37.28 | jdjdjdjdjd | lardman ok then I have to wait or do it any other way |
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| 11:39.41 | lardman | flip^: no idea about that, probably a pseudo package so scratchbox thinks it's got gcc |
| 11:39.53 | lardman | jdjdjdjdjd: what do you want it for? |
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| 11:41.50 | sciboy | flip^, One of the many reasons I'll be sticking to Python for development on the N800. |
| 11:44.39 | jdjdjdjdjd | lardman detecting insertion of mmc card... is there any code available out there? |
| 11:45.41 | lardman | jdjdjdjdjd: I don't know I'm afraid, perhaps ask on the maemo-developers' list |
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| 11:47.27 | lardman | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10565&page=2 interesting |
| 11:49.20 | disq | I'm going to release a test version of kagu 1.0.9 today. Need some more testing before I announce/upload it |
| 11:52.15 | univac | its wrote in c? |
| 11:54.32 | sciboy | Can someone hit the "start animation" on this and see how well it works? |
| 11:54.33 | sciboy | http://www.esqsoft.com/javascript/parallax-scrolling-example.htm |
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| 12:08.40 | sciboy | Actually, Let's see how hard the N800 chokes on this: http://www.dhteumeuleu.com/dhtml/nav-3D.html |
| 12:13.33 | disq | so who wants to test the new kagu |
| 12:13.39 | unique311 | me |
| 12:14.09 | disq | get it from here then: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=304 :) |
| 12:14.23 | disq | i didn't upload it to the repositories just yet |
| 12:14.42 | X-Fade | sciboy: A bit slow, but works.. |
| 12:14.42 | unique311 | kool |
| 12:14.52 | unique311 | sciboy: nice link |
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| 12:15.37 | disq | unique311: please don't open a thread in ITT this time. i'll do it after the repository upload :p |
| 12:15.44 | unique311 | np |
| 12:16.02 | disq | just need to get it tested a little more first, trev's been busy and i'm the only active developer now |
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| 12:19.13 | unique311 | different skin |
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| 12:20.43 | sciboy | t'd probably be much faster with actual size |
| 12:20.49 | sciboy | It'd* |
| 12:20.52 | sciboy | actual size images* |
| 12:20.52 | unique311 | could definitely do without the scroll thingie |
| 12:21.08 | unique311 | disq: ^ |
| 12:21.55 | disq | you'll get used to it :) it's a little too big and doesn't look perfect but our theme artist is not around either |
| 12:22.10 | disq | i hated it the first time around |
| 12:22.28 | unique311 | but having the finger scroll cancels that out. |
| 12:22.36 | disq | not necessarily |
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| 12:22.56 | disq | it also shows the length of the list and where you are |
| 12:23.14 | disq | (i don't really use it for scrolling either) |
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| 12:23.54 | unique311 | i can see it working, but it needs to loose a couple of pounds.. |
| 12:24.04 | disq | i know |
| 12:24.25 | disq | i'm fine with it being two or four pixels wide, even :) don't need finger scrolling there |
| 12:25.14 | disq | but i didn't want to delay the release any longer (we're already two weeks late) for that, didn't want to disable it either |
| 12:26.06 | unique311 | new skin is awesome. any chance in choice next release? |
| 12:26.39 | disq | people will miss the green theme. we want to make it selectable by the next release |
| 12:27.13 | sciboy | What is kagu? |
| 12:27.14 | _Monkey | well, kagu is http://maemo.org/downloads/product/kagu or #kagu |
| 12:28.08 | disq | unique311: be sure to read the changelog btw :) https://garage.maemo.org/frs/shownotes.php?release_id=958 |
| 12:30.20 | sciboy | That's cool, although I'll be maintaining a remote copy of my music collection and only making my favourites local. |
| 12:30.38 | disq | i use it on the road |
| 12:31.06 | sciboy | I have to wait until I establish my favourite songs. =P |
| 12:31.50 | unique311 | everything i just tried work.. |
| 12:32.25 | unique311 | from the changelog.. |
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| 12:32.38 | unique311 | but i am on a fresh install. |
| 12:32.55 | disq | i'll release it and see what happens |
| 12:33.02 | unique311 | updated to the new firmware this morning. |
| 12:33.02 | disq | kinda bored with all the delays |
| 12:33.04 | Mikho | How can I take screenshots of my maemo application? |
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| 12:33.17 | unique311 | mkshottool |
| 12:33.22 | unique311 | mh |
| 12:33.32 | unique311 | mh or mk |
| 12:34.57 | Mikho | ok, thanks |
| 12:35.25 | unique311 | so besides that overweight scroll bar. love it. |
| 12:36.25 | unique311 | disq: would it be too much to ask, choice on that first page to turn scroll bar on or off. |
| 12:36.49 | disq | mmmm.. i'll work on it |
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| 12:38.21 | keesj | hmm I have been missing a lot! |
| 12:38.26 | keesj | Hi all |
| 12:38.30 | disq | hi! |
| 12:39.44 | keesj | rumors about a third tablet are really getting big |
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| 12:40.20 | czr | a break. finally :-) |
| 12:40.29 | keesj | and the kagu green look is pretty nice |
| 12:40.48 | keesj | I really need to start using the n800 for video and music |
| 12:40.55 | czr | keesj, kagu green? |
| 12:42.18 | keesj | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/kagu/ |
| 12:42.52 | czr | ah. thanks. |
| 12:42.55 | keesj | last time I looked at it is was black |
| 12:43.16 | keesj | it looks very prof |
| 12:43.29 | disq | heh. you should see the new kagu :P |
| 12:43.47 | unique311 | very nice. |
| 12:43.53 | unique311 | looks really good |
| 12:44.24 | czr | disq, any more recent mugshots of it? |
| 12:44.36 | disq | there's a test deb at garage |
| 12:44.49 | czr | and that deb contains screenshots? ;-) |
| 12:44.58 | disq | no :) |
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| 12:55.59 | timeless | it's only down .59% in premarket trading :) |
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| 12:59.51 | disq | somehow iphone.facebook.com works better in minimo than in microb |
| 13:01.06 | timeless | what useragents? |
| 13:01.18 | disq | meaning? |
| 13:01.31 | timeless | javascript:navigator.userAgent |
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| 13:02.09 | disq | hang on |
| 13:03.33 | disq | Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux armv6l; rv:1.8.1.5pre) Gecko/20070705 Minimo/0.020 |
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| 13:05.37 | Tak|work | aww, my highlight scrooled offscreen |
| 13:06.09 | disq | that sucks |
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| 13:15.26 | disq | unique311: there's 1.0.9-2 now at the same place, with a scrollbar toggle option |
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| 13:45.19 | lardman | How does xv work on the N800, does it provide an interface to the abilities of the Epson chip? |
| 13:45.56 | disq | ok, kagu 1.0.9 now officially released. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/kagu to download, still didn't update the screenshots though :) |
| 13:47.27 | disq | save playlist as functionality, default media player selection, minor enhancements, all around better performer, new theme |
| 13:50.36 | lardman | anyone have a link to the Epson chip used in the n800? |
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| 14:21.40 | chris-work | hello has someone manages to run gpprof or oprofile on the n800 ? |
| 14:22.15 | jamey | chris-work, I was able to run oprofile this summer. It does require a new kernel to do so. |
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| 14:28.53 | chris-work | jamey: I sow you jtold before in this channel and i tried to use the kernel you put in the web but somehow it doesn´t work ... i wrote you a letter then ... because here it´s difficult to go into the irc.... what should i do with the initfs you put there ? |
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| 14:31.18 | jamey | chris-work, you need to also install the initfs |
| 14:32.03 | jamey | otherwise the wifi driver does not load and the watchdog timer resets the device |
| 14:32.32 | jamey | I seem to have given away my N800 again. Will have to fund another one in order to test. |
| 14:33.30 | lmoura | is it possible to emulate tap and hold in the sdk? |
| 14:33.57 | Tak|work | isn't it right-click? |
| 14:34.32 | chris-work | have i install kernel and initfs at the same time ? |
| 14:34.45 | lmoura | Tak|work, I trying that, but without success |
| 14:34.58 | Tak|work | hmm :-/ |
| 14:35.39 | chris-work | i installed first the kernel and then the initfs and then nothing was going on ... |
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| 14:38.46 | lmoura | Tak|work, working now. I was trying to set it on a label. Switched to button and worked. |
| 14:39.25 | Tak|work | ah, cool |
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| 14:48.23 | Tak|work | fucking metalayer-crawler |
| 14:49.34 | disq | disable it once and for all :) |
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| 14:50.07 | Tak|work | doesn't that have adverse effects? |
| 14:51.21 | disq | the default media player gets dumber, that's all :) |
| 14:52.17 | Tak|work | ah |
| 14:52.25 | Tak|work | I never use it anyway |
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| 14:54.56 | disq | what i did was chmod a-x /etc/init.d/metalayer-crawler0 |
| 14:55.14 | Tak|work | effective |
| 14:55.18 | disq | i also disabled canola's autoscan on mmc-change thingy from gconf |
| 14:55.57 | Tak|work | heh, I've uninstalled canola |
| 14:56.04 | k-s[WORK] | Tak|work: :-( |
| 14:56.06 | k-s[WORK] | eheheh |
| 14:56.14 | Tak|work | k-s[WORK]: sorry man |
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| 15:24.15 | pupnik_ | Tak|work: it was from me - found something that reduced (not eliminated) stuttering on FCEU / 770 |
| 15:24.25 | Tak|work | oh? |
| 15:25.11 | pupnik_ | yes one thing about it on the 770 - the fps counter is not fps of screen updates, but fps of internal engine afaict |
| 15:25.27 | pupnik_ | when increasing frameskip, fps goes up - most i saw was about 45 |
| 15:26.12 | pupnik_ | second, looking in drivers/pc/main.c i saw it initializes fceu with 48000 hz sound |
| 15:27.40 | pupnik_ | long soundrate=48000; and soundbufsize= very small. Changing soundbufsize to around 512 really cut down on percieved skippyness when frameskip =2-3 |
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| 15:30.25 | pupnik_ | |R: said he hears no sound stuttering with fceu on N800, but other people do |
| 15:30.41 | Tak|work | there shouldn't be any stuttering on N800 with bora3 or bora4 |
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| 15:32.01 | pupnik_ | nice |
| 15:32.23 | pupnik_ | i did not know this :) |
| 15:32.52 | sciboy | Bora? |
| 15:32.53 | _Monkey | somebody said Bora was pointing to 3.2 which is not working yet |
| 15:33.02 | sciboy | K |
| 15:33.03 | Tak|work | pupnik_: hmm, the rate and buffer sizes should be being set in the sound driver |
| 15:33.43 | pupnik_ | near top of main.c, around line 55 |
| 15:38.13 | pupnik_ | the sound code is too baffling for me :(. fceu->underrun_handler->sexyAL->sdl->esd |
| 15:38.44 | pupnik_ | on 770 we constantly generate underrun condition |
| 15:39.28 | pupnik_ | i also tried very simple update loop, without screen update or input update, just doing sound = gives same results |
| 15:40.29 | Tak|work | if you set the frameskip very high on 770, you get smooth sound |
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| 15:40.59 | Tak|work | or if you screw up the graphics code so that it's not drawing to the screen ;-) |
| 15:41.04 | lopz | hi |
| 15:41.05 | pupnik_ | ok. well, at least this makes sense to me, since fceu internally tries to update at 50/60 hz and i hadn't found settings to get it up to 50/60 |
| 15:41.19 | pupnik_ | interesting, i removed screen updates entirely and still got stuttering |
| 15:42.34 | pupnik_ | well it's good to know you have smooth playback on n800 |
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| 15:43.37 | pupnik_ | do you see the soundrate= in main.c? |
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| 15:44.38 | Tak|work | you should get smooth playback on 770 without screen updates |
| 15:44.55 | Tak|work | yes, I see it - I also note that it's settable via command line arguments |
| 15:47.57 | pupnik_ | ok will try identical FCEUD_Update but comment-out BlutScreen(XBuf); |
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| 15:50.05 | disq | http://tuxrecife.blogspot.com/2007/10/xomap-3x-more-fast.html interesting |
| 15:52.55 | Tak|work | disq: damn, that's nice |
| 15:54.47 | pupnik_ | viva brasil! |
| 15:55.10 | disq | there's a mailing list link in the post. and danielstone replied to that. so it's possible we'll see this patch in a near maemo release |
| 15:55.27 | Tak|work | killer |
| 15:56.00 | lardman | cool |
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| 16:02.03 | Tak|work | my verdict is that setting those flags doesn't noticeably improve audio quality, but *does* noticeably degrade gameplay quality |
| 16:02.50 | pupnik_ | i don't even think the existing code gives clean contiguous samples under any circumstances |
| 16:03.58 | pupnik_ | frameskip=59, disabled gfx gives full speed sound, but there is a jitter at about 40-60hz which sounds like breaks in sample data |
| 16:04.53 | pupnik_ | it manifests as a subtle buzz |
| 16:05.06 | pupnik_ | or not so subtle if you're a sound guy |
| 16:05.57 | pupnik_ | do you hear it too Tak|work ? |
| 16:06.21 | Tak|work | it's not perfect, but the emulator is slightly pitch-shifted anyway, due to the way it emulates NES audio |
| 16:06.56 | Tak|work | part of it is also that I'm degrading the rate to 8192Hz |
| 16:06.56 | _Monkey | okay, Tak|work. |
| 16:07.11 | pupnik_ | what solved the problem for the N800 / bora2? |
| 16:07.29 | Tak|work | pupnik_: pixel doubling |
| 16:07.29 | _Monkey | somebody said pixel doubling was fun |
| 16:07.44 | Tak|work | _Monkey: have you ever been stabbed in the face via IRC? |
| 16:07.44 | _Monkey | tak|work: i haven't a clue |
| 16:07.49 | pupnik_ | aight :) |
| 16:08.31 | pupnik_ | case closed. filed under 'reasons to upgrade' |
| 16:08.41 | lardman | _Monkey: forget pixel doubling |
| 16:08.41 | _Monkey | lardman: I forgot pixel doubling |
| 16:10.46 | chris-work | jamey: do you remember if you have installed kernel and initfs at the same time ? |
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| 16:11.17 | Mat_Jack1 | hi all |
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| 16:11.46 | |user| | heloo??? |
| 16:11.56 | Mat_Jack1 | i would like to ask how i can do a cron on a n800? |
| 16:12.26 | Mat_Jack1 | there is no cron and with alarmd i'm not able to understand... |
| 16:12.32 | penguinait | cron is not on the n800, which makes cron jobs pretty difficuly |
| 16:12.33 | penguinait | t |
| 16:12.39 | Mat_Jack1 | :( |
| 16:12.44 | Mat_Jack1 | eh i'm seeing! |
| 16:13.21 | Mat_Jack1 | what is the easiest way to substitute cron? |
| 16:13.22 | penguinait | never really looked into compiling it, but it can'tbe hard |
| 16:14.11 | Mat_Jack1 | i haven't found anything useful on internet about it |
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| 16:14.24 | penguinait | hey I have a runaway process on my n800 and I am trying to determine what started it, any idead |
| 16:14.37 | penguinait | ideas how to figure it out |
| 16:15.06 | penguinait | keeps happening, its pissing me off |
| 16:15.41 | zoran | lsof could help |
| 16:15.43 | disq | <i'd like to make a joke about richard kimble from "the fugitive" here> |
| 16:15.59 | Tak|work | doesn't ps tell you? |
| 16:16.17 | Tak|work | disq: It was the one-threaded process! |
| 16:16.32 | disq | ps fax is good for listing child processes as ascii trees |
| 16:17.33 | penguinait | ps |
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| 16:18.23 | zoran | penguinait killed his own process :) |
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| 16:19.17 | Mat_Jack1 | any idea on how to do like with cron? |
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| 16:20.54 | zoran | some perl script using time as value? |
| 16:21.39 | Tak|work | I'd try building anacron |
| 16:22.36 | zoran | Schedule::Cron |
| 16:23.28 | Mat_Jack1 | zoran, i have to install any dependance? |
| 16:23.44 | zoran | lemme c |
| 16:23.51 | Mat_Jack1 | Tak|work, how i can build anacron? |
| 16:24.02 | zoran | it is a module |
| 16:24.11 | zoran | not as I see, but must to downlaod first |
| 16:24.43 | Mat_Jack1 | zoran, have you used it? |
| 16:24.49 | zoran | never :) |
| 16:24.50 | Mat_Jack1 | it doesn't recall cron? |
| 16:24.58 | Mat_Jack1 | the name let me think that.. |
| 16:25.00 | Mat_Jack1 | :) |
| 16:25.03 | zoran | I just found the module |
| 16:25.26 | zoran | on perl always works as it was advertised |
| 16:26.32 | Mat_Jack1 | and cross compiling something for the n800? it's hard? |
| 16:26.44 | Mat_Jack1 | http://fcron.free.fr/ |
| 16:26.48 | Mat_Jack1 | this seems ok |
| 16:26.57 | Tak|work | setting up the development environment is a touch involved |
| 16:26.59 | penguinbait | not really, once you setup your scratchbox |
| 16:27.07 | zoran | what would you cross compile? |
| 16:27.11 | TPC | cron would indeed be nice on the N800 |
| 16:27.14 | Mat_Jack1 | http://fcron.free.fr/ |
| 16:27.19 | Mat_Jack1 | this |
| 16:28.07 | Mat_Jack1 | it's described as good also for environment not always on |
| 16:28.32 | Mat_Jack1 | the compiling environment is scratchbox? |
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| 16:29.01 | zoran | c requirements! |
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| 16:29.44 | Mat_Jack1 | zoran, what? |
| 16:29.53 | zoran | running mail system |
| 16:30.12 | Mat_Jack1 | you can do also without it |
| 16:32.12 | Tak | |R: ping? |
| 16:32.12 | _Monkey | ping is in 4.2007 on n800 :) |
| 16:32.39 | Mat_Jack1 | http://www.anomaly-music.com/cron/ |
| 16:32.42 | Mat_Jack1 | found it! |
| 16:33.25 | Tak | pupnik_: would you like to test fceu current before I release? |
| 16:33.37 | Tak | also xmaeme? |
| 16:35.27 | zoran | Mat_Jack1, looks promissing |
| 16:35.35 | Mat_Jack1 | :) |
| 16:35.38 | Mat_Jack1 | i'll try! |
| 16:35.46 | zoran | what device? |
| 16:35.52 | Mat_Jack1 | n800 |
| 16:38.27 | zoran | Mat_Jack1, what would you use scheduler for? |
| 16:38.53 | Mat_Jack1 | to launch bashpodder |
| 16:39.02 | Mat_Jack1 | it's a shell script that gets a podcast |
| 16:39.27 | lardman | kulve: I was wrong, it is fully threaded |
| 16:39.43 | pupnik_ | Tak sure |
| 16:40.23 | kulve | lardman: ok |
| 16:40.24 | Tak | what's the best distribution method? email? |
| 16:40.54 | pupnik_ | sure, also if your router has dcc port open you can dcc to me |
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| 16:46.06 | zoran | found the Cron.om; requires Time::ParseDate, Data::Dumper |
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| 16:50.17 | shapr | Has anyone been able to send music from an N800 or N770 to a stereo bluetooth headset? |
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| 16:55.25 | Tak | shapr: tried kagu? |
| 16:55.33 | disq | _Monkey: kagu? |
| 16:55.34 | _Monkey | kagu is, like, http://maemo.org/downloads/product/kagu or #kagu |
| 16:55.43 | shapr | Kagu can play music via bluetooth? |
| 16:56.03 | shapr | yay, A2DP! |
| 16:56.09 | shapr | much happiness! |
| 16:56.19 | shapr | Now I'll be able to listen to music while unicycling without cables! |
| 16:57.09 | disq | unicycling? cool |
| 16:57.14 | disq | see the a2dp instructions at http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8435&highlight=a2dp |
| 16:57.29 | Tak | heh, cables + unicycling sounds like trouble |
| 16:57.34 | shapr | truly |
| 16:58.09 | shapr | mountain unicycling with music - http://picasaweb.google.com/shae.erisson/OakMountain20070127/photo#5025111427466324306 |
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| 17:04.54 | shapr | Does A2DP work with OS2007 Hacker's Edition on the N770? |
| 17:05.34 | disq | you'll have to test that, but afaik with bare 770 a2dp is painfully slow |
| 17:06.19 | shapr | I may have to upgrade. |
| 17:08.17 | shapr | I don't care about lag time, but I do hope it's fast enough to replace my ipod shuffle (which sucks for a variety of reasons). |
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| 18:47.06 | shapr | um |
| 18:49.10 | Fatal | o_O |
| 18:50.24 | bueroman | EX-YUGOSLAVIA, roger |
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| 18:50.59 | sp3000 | KARJALA |
| 18:51.01 | sp3000 | er |
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| 19:07.06 | czr | at least karjala is beer as well. I don't think anyone brews anything called "former yugoslavia". not yet at least. |
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| 19:12.32 | sp3000 | heh |
| 19:18.14 | czr | although there also was beer called 'karhu' in shanghai. also beer called 'golden eagle' (with chinese characters this time). and personal favourite, beer called 'reeb' (yes). |
| 19:18.50 | czr | I wonder if the same could be succesfull in finland. a beer called Tulo. |
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| 19:36.02 | lardman | kulve: you about at this hour? |
| 19:38.44 | lardman | anyone know off hand if the kernel source for the n800 has been updated with the SD card patch? |
| 19:39.14 | suihkulokki | lardman: yes it has been |
| 19:39.20 | shapr | The most recent release of OS2007 says "Includes patch to fix SD card corruption" |
| 19:39.58 | shapr | btw, what's the max size SD card supported nowadays? |
| 19:40.02 | lardman | shapr: I need to rebuild the kernel so I'm checking the source has been updated |
| 19:40.07 | lardman | suihkulokki: thanks |
| 19:40.11 | kulve | lardman: there's the source too |
| 19:40.36 | lardman | kulve: hi, I was wondering if you'd built a new kernel with dsp debugging built in? |
| 19:40.41 | kulve | it was mentioned on the mailing list that the "extra" mmc patches has has been applied to that too |
| 19:41.08 | kulve | lardman: it's pretty trivial to do. I can do it tomorrow |
| 19:41.49 | shapr | Is it possible to have two 32GB SDHC cards in the N800? |
| 19:42.14 | lardman | kulve: I've done it for the Zaurus, just checking to not waste time doing it |
| 19:42.40 | kulve | lardman: I'm not going to do it for myself now, so go ahead :) |
| 19:42.49 | kulve | I can do it for you though, if you want :) |
| 19:42.51 | lardman | kulve: I'll give it a go and see if I can remember, can you remember where the dsp debugging entry was? |
| 19:43.08 | shapr | Wikipedia says only up to 8GB in each slot. |
| 19:43.24 | kulve | search "MBOX" from the .config and guess the menu location from there |
| 19:43.27 | kulve | but I'm off |
| 19:43.42 | lardman | kulve: cheers, have a nice evening |
| 19:44.09 | suihkulokki | shapr: I think it will eat whatever is the max of SDHC spec. the "8GB support" means only means nothing bigger has been tested |
| 19:45.04 | shapr | ah |
| 19:45.46 | `0660 | yeah |
| 19:46.04 | `0660 | just like 4gb of normal sd works just fine |
| 19:46.45 | `0660 | at least with the cheap transcend |
| 19:48.35 | shapr | Newegg only lists one 16gb SDHC card, going for $160. |
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| 19:52.58 | shapr | Hm, two 8GB cards for $120 or one 16GB card for $160? |
| 19:59.07 | pupnik | since when do 16GB cards work in N800 |
| 19:59.23 | shapr | suihkulokki just said that any SDHC card should work. |
| 19:59.42 | shapr | The SDHC spec goes up to 32GB. |
| 19:59.42 | pupnik | i don't know about this, just asking |
| 20:00.12 | pupnik | confirm before buying |
| 20:00.28 | shapr | truly |
| 20:01.00 | suihkulokki | pupnik: it's not exactly what I said, see my comment above |
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| 20:21.44 | svu_ | is there programmer's editor (other than vi) for maemo? |
| 20:22.19 | disq | mcedit is good |
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| 20:27.30 | Tak | also zile |
| 20:27.58 | svu_ | mc ... :///// |
| 20:28.27 | timeless | hello world |
| 20:28.29 | svu_ | anything based on gtksourceview? |
| 20:28.31 | keesj | svu_ there is a nice editor written in python that supports running the current program. |
| 20:28.35 | timeless | fwiw i'm attacking bugs.maemo.org |
| 20:29.00 | timeless | i may or may not write an announcement on the browser project blog explaining why abusing bugs.maemo.org will not be tolerated |
| 20:29.03 | svu_ | keesj: the name? |
| 20:29.29 | keesj | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/pygtkeditor |
| 20:29.41 | svu_ | thanks |
| 20:30.35 | dpryo | local edits are hell, unless you've got an external keyboard.. (which is still hell, because the return-button doesn't work) |
| 20:30.42 | dpryo | any fix for that btw? |
| 20:30.46 | dpryo | (on 770) |
| 20:31.38 | svu_ | keesj: looks really nice. It is a pity it does not support ruby... |
| 20:31.39 | keesj | did anybody look at Raemo? http://raemo.garage.maemo.org/ it sounds nice |
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| 20:35.56 | Tak | looks nice |
| 20:37.02 | lardman | kulve: hmm, compiled the kernel, and now get messages from mbox: in dmesg, but no dbg() messages |
| 20:37.46 | lardman | kulve: I manually enabled one entry in .config - CONFIG_OMAP_DSP_MBCMD_VERBOSE=y |
| 20:38.15 | lardman | kulve: let me know if you have any ideas what I did wrong |
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| 20:55.02 | Tak | wtf - somehow xmame is 9th most active on garage this week |
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| 21:01.14 | hillct | Am I correct in thinking the newest Nokia image supports SDHC up to 8GB per card or 8GB total in the two card slots? |
| 21:05.30 | milhouse | 8GB+ per card |
| 21:05.50 | milhouse | Nokia only guarantee 8GB but the firmware should support larger capacities |
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| 21:18.01 | Tak | fceu -bora4 and xmaeme 0.10 released, and uploaded to garage extras |
| 21:19.54 | hillct | milhouse: thanks. One other question. what's the maximum card class (indicating bus speed I guess) the slots can handle? |
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| 21:31.12 | eijk | Hi! |
| 21:31.53 | eijk | I just realised that the search on maemo.org doesn't search the wiki. Is this intentional? |
| 21:38.32 | zerojay | timeless: What's your idea of abuse? |
| 21:40.58 | zerojay | Anyone happen to know if there is actually someone working on the multimedia bugs? There's a ton of old simple bugs that haven't been touched or seemingly looked at in ages. |
| 21:43.20 | Tak | yeah, also WEP+PEAP |
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| 21:47.48 | hillct | Has anyone tested both class 2 and class 6 SDHC cards in an N800? Are there significant performance differences? or are the benefits limited by the N800 card bus? |
| 22:01.51 | shapr | hillct: I'd like to know if you find out. |
| 22:03.21 | hillct | shapr: been reading. Lots of discussion. No answers |
| 22:03.25 | shapr | ah |
| 22:03.32 | hillct | the but speed supports at least class 4 |
| 22:03.39 | hillct | not sure about class 6 |
| 22:03.39 | shapr | That's good to know. |
| 22:05.30 | hillct | shapr: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-8426.html |
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| 22:08.11 | hillct | best deal I can find is this http://www.adorama.com/KGSD68GB.html but nobody is tyalking about Kingston SD cards so I don't know if they're any good |
| 22:15.38 | TPC | why do you need such high speed on your sd card anyway? |
| 22:20.04 | shapr | Why not? |
| 22:20.11 | shapr | I try to tune everything to be as fast as it can be. |
| 22:37.01 | hillct | TPC: when watching your porn, you don't want to see lots of frame freezes and jerkiness do you? |
| 22:38.57 | hillct | shapr: I take it that rebate means release of a new higher capacity/faster product is imenant, but that's always the case I suppose |
| 22:39.15 | Deformative | Has anyone here installed the assembler on their nokia? |
| 22:49.21 | Robdgreat | at the risk of sounding unbearably ignorant, which assembler? |
| 22:49.30 | Robdgreat | i.e. could you point me to it |
| 22:49.41 | zerojay | I assume he's talking about asm. |
| 22:51.09 | Deformative | rodarvus: armasm? |
| 22:51.14 | Deformative | Any assembler. |
| 22:51.19 | Deformative | I don't know if ther eis more than one. |
| 22:51.27 | Deformative | Erm |
| 22:51.35 | Deformative | Robdgreat: rather. |
| 22:51.37 | Deformative | Sorry rodarvus |
| 22:52.00 | Robdgreat | I see |
| 22:52.04 | Robdgreat | checking it out |
| 22:52.41 | TPC | hillct, movie playback is perfectly fine on the cheapest SD cards around |
| 22:53.15 | TPC | just like it was with the pdas that existed 4 years ago |
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| 22:53.43 | TPC | you don't need any new techology for smooth video playback (altought the N800 screen is very nice for it) |
| 22:53.46 | Deformative | Anyone know why my mmc card stalls out whenever I try to copy too much stuff to it? |
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| 23:04.57 | pupnik | Deformative: it resumes though after a while |
| 23:05.38 | Deformative | Mine doesn't. |
| 23:05.40 | Deformative | It stalls out. |
| 23:05.45 | Deformative | And an error comes up. |
| 23:05.56 | Deformative | Maybe I should try with cp instead of konqueror copy. |
| 23:06.04 | pupnik | how are you sharing |
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| 23:32.19 | Deformative | Interesting. |
| 23:32.29 | Deformative | It will no longer connect to the pc. |
| 23:32.37 | Deformative | Lame and interesting at the same time. |
| 23:33.04 | pupnik | i'll assume you're using samba then |
| 23:33.17 | Deformative | Uh. |
| 23:33.19 | Deformative | Nope. |
| 23:33.22 | Deformative | Just a usb cable. |
| 23:34.28 | pupnik | ok |
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| 23:36.19 | Deformative | Completely does not communicate with the device |
| 23:36.20 | Deformative | Hmm. |
| 23:36.30 | Deformative | No little usb symbol at the top of the screen. |
| 23:38.20 | zerojay | That usually happens when the cards are being used. |
| 23:38.28 | zerojay | eg. Playing music, etc.. |
| 23:40.07 | Deformative | zerojay: It isn't. |
| 23:40.21 | Deformative | Perhaps I need to mess with the flasher. |
| 23:40.29 | Deformative | What options should be enabled/disabled? |
| 23:42.09 | GeneralAntilles | Canola/Media player could be indexing the cards. |
| 23:42.20 | GeneralAntilles | Or you could have a bum jack/cable |
| 23:42.30 | GeneralAntilles | Does the computer show it in the USB device tree? |
| 23:42.52 | Deformative | No. |
| 23:42.59 | pupnik | there could be a bad reconnection, and kernel remounting as /dev/sdb1 |
| 23:43.13 | Deformative | Nope. |
| 23:43.23 | Deformative | The device doesn't even notice when the usb cable is plugged in. |
| 23:43.34 | Deformative | I think it is something weird witht he flasher. |
| 23:43.42 | pupnik | ah |
| 23:44.27 | Deformative | What is rd mode? |
| 23:44.28 | _Monkey | i heard rd mode was not needed |
| 23:45.07 | Deformative | WOW |
| 23:45.08 | Deformative | Lame |
| 23:45.09 | pupnik | good monkey, botsnak |
| 23:45.12 | Deformative | The device will not boot now. |
| 23:45.21 | Deformative | Oh, there it goes. |
| 23:45.58 | Deformative | I still would like to know what rd mode is. |
| 23:46.40 | Jiten_ | I'd guess the rd mode is something that is used when developing the device. |
| 23:47.19 | Deformative | Ugh, I really wish this would recognize the device. |
| 23:47.22 | Deformative | ._. |
| 23:48.14 | Deformative | Oh, I think I am in usb host mode. |
| 23:48.15 | Deformative | Aha. |
| 23:51.45 | Deformative | Aha, usb host mode was the problem. |
| 23:56.08 | Deformative | So, it still seems to be stalling. |
| 23:56.09 | Deformative | With cp |
| 23:56.12 | Deformative | But not timing out. |
| 23:56.16 | Deformative | I wonder if it will work now. |
| 23:56.37 | zerojay | Gotta be something on your end. |
| 23:58.16 | Deformative | Heh, it resumes after like, 2 minues of stalling. |
| 23:58.18 | Deformative | Cool. |
| 23:58.33 | Deformative | pupnik: do you know what causes this? |
| 23:58.39 | Deformative | Oh damnit. |
| 23:58.43 | Deformative | It didn't resume this time. |
| 23:58.45 | Deformative | Cp failed. |
| 23:58.49 | Deformative | Damnit! |
| 23:58.58 | Deformative | I think I have a defective mmc card or something. |
| 23:58.58 | pupnik | i suspect different problems |
| 23:59.12 | pupnik | i see regular pauses every 30 or so seconds |
| 23:59.24 | zerojay | Wouldn't be surprised if it was something to do with your USB host patch. |
| 23:59.34 | Deformative | Maybe it is a problem with hal/dbus ? |
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