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| 00:04.23 | jpt9 | hey pupnik. |
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| 00:04.34 | jpt9 | do you suppose it would be at all practical to run common lisp on a 770? |
| 00:05.16 | pupnik | sure |
| 00:05.27 | jpt9 | any chance you could compile it? |
| 00:06.13 | jpt9 | not that I have any problem with math, but it's a programming language. |
| 00:06.21 | pupnik | i only learned some scheme back in college |
| 00:06.26 | jpt9 | ah. |
| 00:07.04 | pupnik | clisp wants gcc-4.1 and i only have 3.4 |
| 00:07.31 | pupnik | i'll try removing the requirement |
| 00:08.03 | jpt9 | okay. |
| 00:08.12 | pupnik | is it in the repos already? |
| 00:08.15 | pupnik | repositories? |
| 00:08.15 | _Monkey | well, repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php |
| 00:08.31 | jpt9 | if i have a virtual ubuntu box (qemu), how hard would it be to set up a cross-compiling environment thingy? |
| 00:08.59 | pupnik | pretty much just follow the recipe - i screwed up a bunch so it took me a couple of days |
| 00:09.14 | pupnik | sorry it won't compile here |
| 00:09.32 | jpt9 | sucky :-( |
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| 00:18.58 | Esworp | confirmed trivial fact: |
| 00:19.36 | Esworp | gpe pim info /is/ backed up when usiing the built in backup/restore app |
| 00:20.09 | Esworp | bummer: themes like nuvo don't seem to work |
| 00:21.37 | pupnik | a corrupt theme can break a system |
| 00:21.59 | timeless | what *can't* break a system? |
| 00:22.06 | pupnik | so that has positive sides |
| 00:22.07 | Esworp | how badly? |
| 00:22.21 | pupnik | not being able to see any menus or dialogues |
| 00:22.50 | pupnik | so it's a different category from application preferences |
| 00:23.13 | timeless | imagine the entire screen white on white |
| 00:23.15 | Esworp | i noticed after bieng told the theme was corrupt, the default theme's scrollbars were wonky till after a reboot |
| 00:23.18 | timeless | with hints of white :) |
| 00:23.40 | pupnik | heh timeless you've seen it too eh :) |
| 00:23.55 | timeless | no, but i can imagine it ... did someone manage that? |
| 00:24.01 | pupnik | i did |
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| 00:24.56 | timeless | nice |
| 00:25.05 | Esworp | so i guess stuff made with thememaker are a no go with the latest firmware for now |
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| 00:26.01 | timeless | what's the latest firmware? |
| 00:26.20 | timeless | last i checked the latest firmware was something like *one* change in kernel from the previous firmware |
| 00:27.33 | Esworp | <shrug> i just installed the most recent one after whatever was on it after i bought it. |
| 00:28.01 | alterego | Mine came with the latest. |
| 00:28.11 | alterego | Though I've flashed it several times. |
| 00:28.13 | timeless | which is what? |
| 00:28.46 | alterego | At the time 4.2007.26-8 |
| 00:29.02 | alterego | There has been one release since that,. |
| 00:29.19 | alterego | Which fixes the SD corruption errors. |
| 00:29.31 | alterego | With some SDHC cards. |
| 00:29.52 | alterego | There's other stuff too, I think they've made it go a little faster. |
| 00:32.17 | milhouse | i wonder why the maemo site spazzes out when you request this page http://maemo.org/community/wiki/n900developerdeviceprogram/ |
| 00:32.35 | milhouse | yet other invalid pages such as http://maemo.org/community/wiki/n801developerdeviceprogram/ |
| 00:32.42 | milhouse | go to the correct "not found" page |
| 00:32.46 | milhouse | most odd. |
| 00:34.25 | milhouse | note that the first URL (which behaves oddly) is for the "N900" (made up name for the device going through FCC right now...) |
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| 00:36.04 | milhouse | rats, now the n900 page goes to notfound instead of failing on localhost... |
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| 00:37.13 | alterego | Well, 770, 800, 9XX :) |
| 00:37.29 | alterego | Though, 770 wasn't N series. |
| 00:37.55 | milhouse | I don't think Nokia knew what to do with the 770! |
| 00:38.26 | pupnik | i wonder what people we owe the 770 to |
| 00:38.52 | pupnik | er, i wonder whom it is to which we owe the 770 |
| 00:39.12 | pupnik | bah |
| 00:39.25 | alterego | ;) |
| 00:43.18 | pupnik | i have to imagine someone at nokia saw this new 800x480 screen and said.. whoah! lets make a browsery thing with an arm cpu and linux, then took out his sword and battled the idea through the boardrooms |
| 00:44.34 | alterego | I think the official story goes some important people at Nokia asked a few guys in a basement somewhere to show them what they could do with Linux. |
| 00:44.39 | alterego | Maemo and the 770 were born. |
| 00:45.46 | pupnik | ah |
| 00:48.19 | Esworp | something is up with my browser... trying to download a .deb file results it no option to 'open' and a looping download progress indicator |
| 00:48.48 | pupnik | df |
| 00:53.28 | timeless | anyone here have an n800 and a bluetooth device? |
| 00:53.35 | timeless | bug 220 wants someone to check |
| 00:53.35 | _Monkey | Bug 220 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=220 |
| 01:02.23 | milhouse | so annoying when bug reporters disappear from the face of the earth - i'd be tempted to close the bug through lack of interest. :) (unfortunately I don't have a BT dongle, or even a Mac...) |
| 01:02.52 | timeless | better to just get into the habbit of treating bugs as drive by reports |
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| 01:03.37 | timeless | personally what i hate more is this very annoying spammer who spammed most 2007 bugs w/ a, ITOS2007HE-garage keyword and corrupted their url fields |
| 01:03.47 | milhouse | although the delays between bug opening and request for additional info don't exactly help... |
| 01:04.09 | milhouse | timeless: aha... speak to mr gil about that :) |
| 01:04.25 | milhouse | timeless: word is, he is/was legit |
| 01:04.27 | timeless | i yanked the user's login account on vacation |
| 01:04.32 | milhouse | haha |
| 01:04.43 | timeless | failure to respond to a direct threat and continued to abuse bugzilla |
| 01:04.51 | timeless | sorry, doing that will lose your login |
| 01:06.40 | milhouse | he did appear to be adding OS2007HE keywords somewhat blindly :( |
| 01:07.28 | timeless | bug 269 is depressing |
| 01:07.28 | _Monkey | Bug 269 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=269 |
| 01:07.40 | timeless | i don't mind the keyword |
| 01:07.45 | timeless | i object to corrupting the url field |
| 01:07.50 | timeless | which is not a freeform field |
| 01:07.57 | timeless | and i object to grand theft bug |
| 01:08.00 | timeless | which is what he did |
| 01:08.24 | timeless | oh great, my browser crashed |
| 01:09.32 | milhouse | wassup with 296 which is a dupe of 268? i added a comment to 268... (#5) :) |
| 01:09.57 | milhouse | 269 is a bit vague, i grant you - and perhaps even unreasonable/unrealistic |
| 01:10.28 | milhouse | but neither have anything to do with OS 2007HE :) |
| 01:12.15 | flip^ | repositories? |
| 01:12.15 | _Monkey | repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php |
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| 01:26.30 | timeless | did i pick the wrong bug? |
| 01:27.22 | timeless | comment 1 said |
| 01:27.22 | timeless | Gah, sorry for duplicating bug #268 by accident. |
| 01:27.23 | _Monkey | Bug 268 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=268 |
| 01:28.56 | timeless | someone should comment in 268 re c5 that you can turn off key clicks |
| 01:32.51 | timeless | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=320#c4 |
| 01:33.01 | timeless | wanna fork that bug? |
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| 02:22.19 | timeless | can someone check bug 487? |
| 02:22.19 | _Monkey | Bug 487 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=487 |
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| 02:30.13 | erstazi | timeless: I can look |
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| 02:30.55 | erstazi | timeless: I don't have audio on this box for me to test in scratchbox ): sorry |
| 02:31.27 | timeless | no audio?? |
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| 02:39.07 | erstazi | timeless: none |
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| 03:53.14 | sciboy | I have thick walls, hope the N800 will be able to pick up on the wifi signal. |
| 03:54.17 | Robdgreat | What's the preferred solution for scratchbox in windows? |
| 03:54.42 | Robdgreat | I have ubuntu in vmware but if there were some better way... |
| 03:54.46 | sciboy | I haven't tried but there's a vmware image |
| 03:54.55 | Robdgreat | ah ok |
| 03:55.21 | Robdgreat | ah yeah I seem to recall someone mentioning that |
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| 04:09.56 | GeneralAntilles | sciboy, the N800 has about the best wifi reception on any device ever. ;) |
| 04:12.02 | |R | GeneralAntilles: agreed :) |
| 04:12.23 | sciboy | GeneralAntilles, Just hoping that's enough. |
| 04:13.10 | GeneralAntilles | Well, it worked fine in my parents house with 1 wireless router, and lots of lead paint and plaster. ;) |
| 04:13.18 | sciboy | Doesn't make it through the last wall for all my devices. |
| 04:13.46 | sciboy | Although you go to the door and reception is perfect. |
| 04:14.15 | sciboy | I have a WiFi AP with an 10m of ethernet taking advantage of that for my desktop pc. =P |
| 04:14.31 | GeneralAntilles | At worst, just go pick up another router for $40 and another run of Cat5. |
| 04:15.12 | sciboy | I already ate into my gadget budget with the N800. =P |
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| 04:15.58 | GeneralAntilles | Go sell some blood or something, then. :P |
| 04:16.40 | sciboy | Anyway it's just the last wall killing the reception, hopefully the N800 will get through it. |
| 04:18.02 | GeneralAntilles | Seems likely |
| 04:18.40 | GeneralAntilles | It picks up about 10 networks from my apartment, compared to 3 with my G5. |
| 04:19.33 | lopz | re |
| 04:22.14 | sciboy | Still haven't gotten an ETA for my order. =( |
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| 04:42.10 | sciboy | Oh cool, I failed to notice in my initial enquiry they said the delivery should take a few days since they're in stock. |
| 04:42.39 | sciboy | They should be able to confirm my bank transfer tomorrow. |
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| 06:00.14 | zoran | linux? |
| 06:00.14 | _Monkey | rumour has it linux is a free kernel thats inside most open source operating systems today and its a core technology for Maemo |
| 06:00.22 | |R | yep |
| 06:00.48 | zoran | listed in /dev directory? |
| 06:01.06 | |R | what? |
| 06:01.12 | |R | no a development environment, not /dev :) |
| 06:01.15 | zoran | or you mean setting variable ENV? |
| 06:01.39 | |R | maemo 3.2 SDK |
| 06:01.42 | |R | or some such... |
| 06:01.57 | zoran | should be set in .bashrc or similar |
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| 06:02.44 | |R | zoran : what? :P i mean installing the whole thing... |
| 06:03.01 | zoran | hm |
| 06:03.02 | |R | http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo-3-x--bora-.html |
| 06:03.03 | |R | this |
| 06:03.10 | zoran | lemme c |
| 06:04.00 | zoran | there is install.txt |
| 06:04.23 | zoran | strange |
| 06:04.27 | |R | why? |
| 06:04.33 | zoran | I saw different manual for that |
| 06:04.40 | |R | any suggestions? :) |
| 06:05.14 | zoran | I recall downloading 3 or 4 files from the net |
| 06:05.24 | zoran | then just unziping them somewhere |
| 06:05.32 | zoran | and fine tutorial |
| 06:05.43 | |R | this tutorial seems painful... |
| 06:05.47 | zoran | I never installed it cause I have bsd box and it did not work |
| 06:06.02 | zoran | ah, yes, it differs from what I knew |
| 06:06.26 | zoran | after making new site, I cannot find what I want |
| 06:06.41 | zoran | and the tutorial was 1 ot more Mb |
| 06:06.52 | zoran | very large and informative |
| 06:07.03 | zoran | with steps to install and everything |
| 06:07.11 | zoran | maybe you could google for it? |
| 06:08.00 | |R | I'll look :) |
| 06:09.35 | zoran | k, found |
| 06:09.53 | zoran | tutorials/Maemo_tutorial_bora.html |
| 06:10.17 | |R | ? |
| 06:10.41 | |R | ah yes |
| 06:10.41 | zoran | development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial_bora.html |
| 06:10.50 | |R | i have it open already hehe :) |
| 06:10.54 | zoran | :) |
| 06:10.59 | zoran | good luck |
| 06:11.02 | |R | thanks :) |
| 06:11.05 | zoran | :) |
| 06:11.14 | |R | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:11.16 | |R | found this too |
| 06:11.46 | zoran | I had an idea to make just one thing: to recompiile the kernel |
| 06:12.06 | zoran | and to buy a white box and a lot of pain... |
| 06:12.13 | zoran | just dor stupid module |
| 06:12.17 | zoran | *for |
| 06:12.50 | zoran | I always expected from nokia repository of kernel modules |
| 06:13.28 | |R | hehe |
| 06:13.46 | zoran | I was so mad that I did not use 770 for months |
| 06:14.13 | zoran | my fault, I expected too much |
| 06:15.05 | zoran | btw, |R, do you have linux box handy? |
| 06:15.52 | |R | for? |
| 06:16.07 | zoran | I had a problem making files on usb flash |
| 06:16.14 | zoran | 8.3 problem |
| 06:16.25 | zoran | on freebsd I made it as msdos fs |
| 06:16.32 | zoran | and read it as vfat |
| 06:16.36 | zoran | on linux |
| 06:16.52 | zoran | I thought I should see it as long names |
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| 06:19.42 | |R | mkfs.dos ? |
| 06:20.18 | zoran | hm, vfat shoud read more than 8.3 |
| 06:20.23 | zoran | *should |
| 06:20.41 | zoran | it is brand new usb stick |
| 06:22.22 | |R | yep... you need joliet extensions maybe? |
| 06:22.53 | zoran | hm, I use it on making cd |
| 06:23.02 | zoran | to see it on windows boxes |
| 06:23.14 | |R | then i'm lost :| |
| 06:23.18 | zoran | but, this is newly bought flash |
| 06:23.23 | zoran | k :) |
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| 06:50.48 | |R | ok wtf, my scratchbox-core is too old according to the script... if i change it to 0.0.1 (min required) it still complains :P |
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| 07:25.37 | SenileBob | Is anyone interested in doing some commercial work for the N800? PM me for more details |
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| 10:01.09 | DRoBeR | Hello :) |
| 10:02.15 | sciboy | Hi. =D |
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| 11:08.38 | flip^ | ok, i reflashed my n800 so that i could start afresh, and so that i could fix my broken app manager... why is it that after half an hour of fiddling, after one of many occasions when i edit sources.list, the app manager is now broken again..... |
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| 11:19.02 | GeneralAntilles | You did something wrong? |
| 11:19.12 | GeneralAntilles | What's the log showing? |
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| 11:48.32 | Jiten_ | flip^: well, clearly, whatever you did that broke it the first time, you did again. |
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| 12:00.06 | Ar-ras | HI |
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| 12:00.58 | Ar-ras | Does somebody know how to install octave on N800 with IT OS 2007? |
| 12:01.40 | suihkulokki | Ar-ras: octave is a problem since it has some many dependencies |
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| 12:04.58 | Ar-ras | Do you mean that there are no ready compiled packages fpr IT OS 2007? |
| 12:10.21 | suihkulokki | yep |
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| 12:12.59 | Ar-ras | Is there somebody with the needed skill to compile it for N800? |
| 12:14.09 | Ar-ras | I would pay 25 Euro by paypal for a crosscompiled version. |
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| 12:17.24 | alterego | Cross compiled version of what? |
| 12:17.31 | Ar-ras | Ähm |
| 12:17.41 | alterego | No idea what that is :) |
| 12:17.45 | Ar-ras | :D |
| 12:18.00 | Ar-ras | If you take a source of a normal linux version |
| 12:18.10 | Ar-ras | and use header from the maemo sdk |
| 12:18.19 | Ar-ras | or something like that |
| 12:18.21 | Ar-ras | :D |
| 12:19.20 | Ar-ras | I want Octave for my N800, to use it for my chemistry study |
| 12:19.49 | Ar-ras | And I read that it would work on N800 |
| 12:19.50 | Ar-ras | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7724 |
| 12:20.15 | Ar-ras | but that packages seems to be incompatible with N800 |
| 12:20.54 | Ar-ras | i downloaded directly the arm.deb files |
| 12:20.57 | alterego | You could try installing it from the command line. |
| 12:21.04 | alterego | 'dpkg -i package.deb` |
| 12:22.44 | Ar-ras | so i change with xterm to the memory card and run that? |
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| 12:26.03 | Ar-ras | alterego i need root access |
| 12:26.08 | Ar-ras | so i use sudo |
| 12:26.17 | Ar-ras | what is the password? |
| 12:26.18 | _Monkey | the password is probably "rootme" (change it instantly) |
| 12:26.20 | alterego | the root password is rootme |
| 12:26.23 | alterego | :) |
| 12:26.24 | Ar-ras | ok |
| 12:26.30 | Ar-ras | :) |
| 12:27.00 | Ar-ras | lol "Sorry, try again" |
| 12:27.29 | alterego | Don't use sudo |
| 12:27.33 | alterego | use su |
| 12:27.37 | Ar-ras | ok |
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| 12:29.07 | Ar-ras | "su: applet requires root privileges!" |
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| 12:29.34 | alterego | Look for a tutorial on gaining root access. |
| 12:29.38 | alterego | There's on on the wiki |
| 12:29.42 | alterego | gainroot |
| 12:29.43 | _Monkey | gainroot is a quick howto to become root here http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_BecomeRoot and more information is here http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowDoiBecomeRoot |
| 12:41.25 | Ar-ras | ok |
| 12:41.32 | Ar-ras | got root by ssh |
| 12:41.43 | Ar-ras | 8) |
| 12:43.06 | Ar-ras | mmh |
| 12:43.26 | Ar-ras | dpkg wants octave 2.9 |
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| 13:19.06 | SenileBob | Is anyone interested in doing some commercial work for the N800? PM me for more details |
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| 13:27.59 | Ar-ras | :S |
| 13:28.23 | Ar-ras | says that it doesnt accept because it is wrong platform |
| 13:28.33 | Ar-ras | arm and not armel |
| 13:28.38 | Ar-ras | :( |
| 13:29.02 | Ar-ras | does somebody has the correct packages? |
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| 14:06.50 | sciboy | Source fixes everything. |
| 14:07.39 | Ar-ras | sciboy ? |
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| 14:07.40 | _Monkey | rumour has it sciboy is my username at gp32x |
| 14:08.29 | sciboy | Ar-ras ? |
| 14:08.36 | sciboy | .. |
| 14:08.38 | sciboy | sciboy ? |
| 14:08.38 | _Monkey | you are my username at gp32x? |
| 14:08.45 | sciboy | o_o |
| 14:08.55 | sciboy | Why did you choose that to quote me. |
| 14:09.03 | sciboy | sciboy is funny, tee hee hee. |
| 14:09.07 | sciboy | sciboy ? |
| 14:09.07 | _Monkey | you are my username at gp32x? |
| 14:09.09 | sciboy | sciboy ? |
| 14:09.09 | _Monkey | you are my username at gp32x? |
| 14:09.11 | sciboy | =( |
| 14:09.21 | zoran | bot |
| 14:09.30 | zoran | sciboy |
| 14:09.30 | _Monkey | i guess sciboy is my username at gp32x? |
| 14:09.43 | sciboy | zoran? |
| 14:09.43 | _Monkey | zoran is modest guy |
| 14:09.51 | zoran | kh-kh |
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| 14:19.54 | b0unc3 | hello ppl |
| 14:21.34 | Ar-ras | lol |
| 14:21.46 | zoran | people say hello |
| 14:31.20 | timeless | anyone here have a 770 handy |
| 14:31.37 | Ar-ras | nein das heißt mobile auf englisch |
| 14:31.44 | Ar-ras | und außerdem ist das kein handy |
| 14:32.28 | Ar-ras | :D |
| 14:32.45 | pupnik_ | haha |
| 14:32.52 | pupnik_ | i do |
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| 14:36.22 | zoran | handy == ready to use in this moment |
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| 14:39.40 | Ar-ras | hehe |
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| 14:41.24 | glaubervinicius | I am trying to use import evolution.ebook as evo at N800. When I do that, I´ve got ImportError: could not import evolution.ebook and ImportError: No module named evolution.ebook |
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| 14:42.03 | Ar-ras | does somebody uses octave? |
| 14:42.06 | glaubervinicius | what packages must i have to install? |
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| 14:59.15 | zoran | someone has any kingston usb flash stick? mine is probably preformatted to fat16. shows 8.3 names. unbielavable |
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| 15:04.07 | glaubervinicius | anyone can help me with import evolution? |
| 15:04.35 | pupnik | glaubervinicius: what is url of this package 'import evolution'? |
| 15:05.46 | zoran | I found greenbirdsystems.com/evolution-python; is it your app? |
| 15:06.29 | glaubervinicius | pupnik, i have used http://www.conduit-project.org/wiki/evolution-python |
| 15:06.50 | glaubervinicius | pupnik, i hav installed from this repository http://maemo.o-hand.com/packages |
| 15:08.38 | glaubervinicius | zoran, i this link is broke |
| 15:09.36 | zoran | hm, I opened it few secs before |
| 15:09.44 | zoran | add www |
| 15:10.26 | pupnik | http://www.o-hand.com/ perhaps you should contact these people directly, glaubervinicius |
| 15:11.08 | glaubervinicius | ok pupnik, i will try |
| 15:11.37 | pupnik | glaubervinicius: also you can try to install packages ignoring dependencies, using dpkg -i <packagename> |
| 15:14.38 | pupnik | repositories |
| 15:14.39 | _Monkey | somebody said repositories was http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php |
| 15:16.16 | pupnik | evolution looks like an interesting PIM suite |
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| 15:32.15 | pupnik | Tak|work: around? |
| 15:35.08 | pupnik | Tak|work: fceu main.c has a default soundrate of 48000 long soundrate=48000;, this variable gets passed to fceu engine for sound emu - i found not much difference lowering it - but it should be at 8192 i think. I also found that soundbufsize gets passed to fceu engine long soundbufsize=24; and increasing it to around 512 reduced skipping |
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| 15:39.30 | pupnik | wb zerojay |
| 15:39.45 | Ar-ras | does somebody get octave working on N800? |
| 15:43.00 | guardian_ | what's octave? |
| 15:43.01 | _Monkey | octave is a problem since it has some many dependencies |
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| 15:43.49 | Ar-ras | octave = matLab Clone |
| 15:43.57 | zerojay | pupnik: Thanks. |
| 15:44.03 | guardian_ | ok thx |
| 15:44.19 | guardian | yeah same here :) |
| 15:44.51 | guardian | makes me immediately thinks it doesn't mix with handhelds :) |
| 15:45.27 | Ar-ras | :( |
| 15:45.48 | celesteh | _Monkey: Octave is a matlab clone |
| 15:45.49 | _Monkey | ...but octave is a problem since it has some many dependencies... |
| 15:46.01 | celesteh | _Monkey, forget octave |
| 15:46.02 | _Monkey | celesteh: I forgot octave |
| 15:46.27 | celesteh | _Monkey: Octave is a matlab clone that can be a problem because it has so many dependencies |
| 15:46.28 | _Monkey | OK, celesteh. |
| 15:46.37 | Ar-ras | octave? |
| 15:46.38 | _Monkey | octave is a matlab clone that can be a problem because it has so many dependencies |
| 15:47.01 | zoran | app catalog 2006 shows 4 deps |
| 15:47.21 | zoran | armin-varda/de/arno |
| 15:47.39 | Ar-ras | ? what does that mean? |
| 15:47.51 | celesteh | Octave? |
| 15:47.51 | _Monkey | Octave is a matlab clone that can be a problem because it has so many dependencies |
| 15:47.53 | celesteh | _Monkey? |
| 15:47.53 | _Monkey | celesteh? |
| 15:47.55 | zoran | repository for 2006; |
| 15:48.08 | zoran | if lucky, maybve works for 2007 |
| 15:48.51 | zoran | btw, do you have some binaty for octave? |
| 15:48.56 | zoran | *binary |
| 15:49.24 | zoran | whyly@gmx.net is a contact |
| 15:49.45 | Ar-ras | zoran |
| 15:49.58 | zoran | huh |
| 15:49.59 | Ar-ras | i dont found compatible binary# |
| 15:50.09 | zoran | ask the man |
| 15:50.13 | zoran | whyly |
| 15:50.15 | Ar-ras | wrote a mail to him |
| 15:50.24 | Ar-ras | no answer till now |
| 15:50.43 | Ar-ras | but if i could find the 2006 binaries... |
| 15:50.57 | Ar-ras | but dont know where they are :(+ |
| 15:51.14 | Ar-ras | just found some arm but not armel binaries |
| 15:51.26 | zoran | maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationCatalog2006 |
| 15:51.45 | zoran | I heard that there is a diff |
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| 15:52.51 | Ar-ras | diff in what? |
| 15:54.02 | zoran | arm vs armel or else |
| 15:54.08 | zoran | dunno |
| 15:56.45 | Ar-ras | yeah |
| 15:56.58 | Ar-ras | that are armel binaries |
| 15:57.59 | zoran | should it be arm for n800? |
| 15:58.50 | Ar-ras | no |
| 15:58.54 | Ar-ras | armel is correct |
| 15:59.01 | Ar-ras | it installed |
| 15:59.03 | Ar-ras | but |
| 15:59.17 | Ar-ras | i cant find it in the "start menu" |
| 15:59.18 | zoran | see the list of 4 dependencies |
| 15:59.27 | zoran | no big deal :) |
| 15:59.32 | zoran | call it from command line |
| 15:59.40 | zoran | octave &; exit |
| 16:00.24 | pupnik | want demos of the OMAP 3430 doing OpenGL graphics? http://www.imgtec.com/PowerVR/insider/Demos/index.asp |
| 16:00.32 | pupnik | (mpeg video) |
| 16:01.33 | Ar-ras | hehe i have installed octave |
| 16:01.35 | pupnik | not technically the omap though still - same gpu |
| 16:01.45 | Ar-ras | but now it is to complicated for me :D |
| 16:02.32 | zoran | nothing is too complicated for n800 user! |
| 16:02.37 | Ar-ras | hehe |
| 16:02.46 | Ar-ras | but i thought it would have a gui |
| 16:02.55 | zoran | what it is in deed? |
| 16:03.06 | Ar-ras | it should be a CAS |
| 16:03.11 | Ar-ras | Computer Algebra System |
| 16:03.30 | Ar-ras | I thought so ... |
| 16:03.45 | zoran | hm, like it with lemon |
| 16:03.56 | Ar-ras | uh |
| 16:04.04 | zoran | does it work for you now? |
| 16:04.08 | Ar-ras | lemon is CAS for N800? |
| 16:04.21 | Ar-ras | it is a buggy shell :S |
| 16:04.56 | zoran | standard xterm or maemo-hackers' one? |
| 16:05.12 | Ar-ras | xterm from maemo-hackers repo |
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| 16:05.44 | zoran | shell is ash |
| 16:06.11 | zoran | if you could install bash and call it from prompt: "bash" |
| 16:06.25 | Ar-ras | where is the prompt? |
| 16:06.34 | zoran | I had an issue making bash default via chsh |
| 16:06.46 | zoran | prompt? |
| 16:06.59 | zoran | the very first sign on the line |
| 16:07.02 | zoran | :) |
| 16:07.15 | Ar-ras | so |
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| 16:07.25 | Ar-ras | use xterm to start bash? |
| 16:08.00 | zoran | could be safer |
| 16:08.05 | zoran | just type bash |
| 16:08.09 | zoran | mothing else |
| 16:08.15 | Ar-ras | ? |
| 16:08.19 | Ar-ras | on N800? |
| 16:08.26 | zoran | if you have a prob with ash |
| 16:08.33 | zoran | why not? |
| 16:08.42 | zoran | you haev spare space as you liek |
| 16:08.48 | Ar-ras | and where is the command line? |
| 16:08.55 | zoran | on the xterm |
| 16:09.41 | Ar-ras | ok |
| 16:09.49 | zoran | what problem it shows? |
| 16:10.01 | zoran | I never saw it in action |
| 16:10.11 | Ar-ras | Do you know an alternative Program for using N800 as CAS? |
| 16:10.28 | zoran | bc? |
| 16:11.02 | Ar-ras | bc? is that the name of the program? |
| 16:11.16 | zoran | if you find one in perl and python, you could port it in a sec |
| 16:11.25 | zoran | yes, bc, in app cat 2006 |
| 16:12.17 | zoran | ah, no bc for 2007 |
| 16:12.31 | zoran | strange |
| 16:14.45 | zoran | k, found something called "maxima" for perl |
| 16:15.55 | Ar-ras | is there nothing with GUI? |
| 16:16.32 | zoran | hm |
| 16:17.00 | zoran | informatik.uni-leipzig.de/~graebe |
| 16:18.01 | Ar-ras | ? |
| 16:18.06 | zoran | link |
| 16:19.20 | zoran | folks, somebody had to reformat usb drive to handle long names? |
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| 16:19.27 | pupnik | anybody with n800 and fceu NES emulator installed want to test a tweaked version? i am curious to know if sound is better .. http://pupnik.de/fceu2_test.tgz |
| 16:20.02 | Ar-ras | zoran Why did you posted that link? |
| 16:20.19 | zoran | for you to take a look at math progs |
| 16:20.48 | |R | pupnik : i was testing for tak who fixed the flickering with button press and trying to recover the UI at startup but i didn't notice any problem with sound on my n800, so maybe i'm not the best tester for that :) |
| 16:21.35 | Ar-ras | zoran I am from Leipzig |
| 16:22.09 | pupnik | |R: when music plays, you do not hear stuttering/slow music? |
| 16:23.13 | |R | no, the only thing slow is the video refresh |
| 16:23.26 | |R | well let me see, maybe i'm too tolerant and didn't notice brb :) |
| 16:24.06 | |R | (btw, anyone has their applet all unchecked after a screen sleep?!) |
| 16:24.41 | pupnik | zeez writes "Except for the sound stuttering a bit" |
| 16:26.19 | |R | nop, no stuttering here |
| 16:27.35 | |R | the applet thing is weird, if i reboot they come back, but in the menu they are all unchecked |
| 16:27.36 | |R | ... |
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| 16:35.24 | |R | is there anything special to know to change the logos in: /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/hildon |
| 16:35.38 | lopz | hi |
| 16:35.40 | |R | (are they signed somewhere? keep same resolution? special formats? |
| 16:35.42 | |R | ) |
| 16:41.13 | pupnik | copy them to pc and examine |
| 16:41.34 | |R | that's what i've done, just wondering if there is any counter indications ;) |
| 16:41.47 | |R | don't want to reinstall everything just because i changed the bootup screen :P |
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| 17:14.44 | Fatal | \o/ my old craptastic nokia syncs with ntp now |
| 17:14.46 | Fatal | whoops |
| 17:14.54 | Fatal | wrong channel :P |
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| 17:40.22 | hillct | Good afternoon all |
| 17:40.53 | hillct | I'm trying to find a build of the Nano editor for the n800 |
| 17:41.19 | hillct | One was listed at maemo.com but the link is aparently no good |
| 17:41.38 | pupnik | searched gronmayer? |
| 17:41.42 | pupnik | repositories |
| 17:41.42 | _Monkey | repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php |
| 17:41.56 | hillct | thanks |
| 17:41.59 | hillct | checking |
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| 17:48.54 | hillct | same result. it says 'nano' is in the maemo 3.0 repository but it simply isn't there |
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| 17:49.39 | hillct | ie, doesn't show up in the installable apps list when that repo is added (I already had it) |
| 17:50.19 | pupnik | the packager should be informed of this |
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| 17:52.13 | hillct | K |
| 17:52.47 | pupnik | i don't have a local copy for you sorry |
| 17:58.51 | hillct | pupnik: np. Tanks for the guidance. Perhaps this is a good oportunity for me to grab the SDB and learn how to build and package for the N800 |
| 17:59.32 | hillct | from the docs, it appears the toolchain is well defined and the packaging is streight forward .deb more or less |
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| 18:29.15 | hillct | pupnik: FYI this thread seems to discuss the nano problem. I guess it's just not in a repo as it should be http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-5627.html |
| 18:29.31 | hillct | I haven't tried the package from the indicated source though (yet) |
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| 18:52.33 | Gruessle | Hi I am shopping for an SD card and was wondering if I am limited to 4G HDSC or if I could go to 8GB or even 16GB |
| 18:54.23 | TPC | 8GB is the limit |
| 18:54.52 | TPC | I think I read somewhere that 16GB will be supported in future firmwares, but I could be mistaken about that |
| 18:55.23 | Gruessle | Where can I verify that? |
| 18:56.20 | TPC | searching on http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/ would be a good place to start |
| 18:56.35 | Gruessle | OK thanks, I will |
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| 19:19.55 | Jiten_ | I thought SDHC standard goes way higher than 8GB. Sounds kind of like artificial limitation. |
| 19:21.26 | zerojay | They probably only had 8GB cards to test with. |
| 19:21.35 | zerojay | It's not like 16GB cards are easy to find. |
| 19:26.35 | Jiten_ | then again, I haven't even tried anything over 2GB in my n800 yet. |
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| 19:29.35 | ericz | my dropbear ssh client is giving "Segmentation fault" :( |
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| 19:39.47 | dick-richardson | how do I find the local ip my n800 has? |
| 19:43.01 | alterego | The connection manager has that, |
| 19:44.10 | alterego | "Connection Manager" (Menu) -> "Internet connection" -> "IP Address" |
| 19:45.36 | ericz | ssh + xmms-shell in xterm on the 770 makes a decent stereo remote for my server connected to speakers/TV :P |
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| 19:46.45 | alterego | I'd probably wrap that up in a slim web app : |
| 19:47.07 | ericz | hrmm |
| 19:47.21 | ericz | i do know PHP, but it'd be awkward, since i suck at php.. |
| 19:47.33 | alterego | :) |
| 19:47.44 | alterego | I used to write CGI scripts in sh :P |
| 19:47.52 | alterego | You don't have to use PHP. |
| 19:47.59 | ericz | heh, i'd have a bunch of php system() commands |
| 19:49.08 | DRoBeR | Who of you tried an "OpenVPN client" under N800? :) |
| 19:49.10 | pupnik | ericz: re ssh+xterm i think there are projects aiming for a gui remote for music |
| 19:49.35 | alterego | ericz, if that was all you were doing then maybe you should do it in bash or whatever ;) |
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| 19:59.53 | ericz | just setup shoutcast. |
| 20:10.40 | DRoBeR | "SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD" what is that variable? |
| 20:10.51 | DRoBeR | It says that I need to define it... |
| 20:12.58 | Gruessle | Are there any GPS devices you can recommend. I saw a link to a 29.99 device in the form once but can't find it anymore |
| 20:13.20 | Gruessle | forum |
| 20:13.38 | flip^ | anyone else found that with the latest flash, the application launcher crashes every so often just at the end of an installation? |
| 20:13.41 | dpryo | I've got a $30 usb-gps thing, works nicely |
| 20:14.17 | Gruessle | where did you get it and why did you get usb vs blue |
| 20:14.18 | dpryo | But i'd recommend a bluetooth type, due to impractical usb-connectors on 770/800 :) |
| 20:14.38 | Gruessle | That's what I thought |
| 20:14.45 | dpryo | Some local store, nothing special about it |
| 20:14.54 | Gruessle | ok thanks |
| 20:25.08 | dick-richardson | alterego: thank you! |
| 20:27.15 | alterego | :) |
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| 20:30.39 | glaubervinicius | has anyone had .deb of evolution-python-0.0.4 for armel? |
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| 20:40.18 | dick-richardson | where do I find the 'route' command? |
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| 20:46.00 | disq | in /sbin? |
| 20:46.57 | lmoura | glaubervinicius, check easy's mailing list (google groups) |
| 20:47.13 | lmoura | I sent an early version there |
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| 20:50.56 | glaubervinicius | lmoura, what is the google group name? |
| 20:53.24 | dick-richardson | disq: there it is...wasn't in my path |
| 20:53.24 | dick-richardson | thank you |
| 20:59.16 | glaubervinicius | lmoura, i have not found the easy group at google. |
| 21:26.54 | flip^ | hmm, is guardiani.us dead? :( |
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| 21:34.54 | disq | yeah it's down atm |
| 21:35.29 | flip^ | thank goodness for google's cache :) |
| 21:36.49 | flip^ | tho finding acmonitor could be a pain |
| 21:37.42 | pupnik | pupnik.de has it |
| 21:38.14 | flip^ | aha, so it does. ta |
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| 21:39.30 | flip^ | pupnik: are the 770 and n800 versions actually difference |
| 21:39.32 | flip^ | er |
| 21:39.33 | flip^ | different |
| 21:39.39 | flip^ | as you only seem to have the 770 version mirrored ;) |
| 21:39.51 | pupnik | yes i made the 770 version |
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| 21:40.45 | flip^ | i presume it'd be better for me to have the n800 one tho? |
| 21:41.18 | pupnik | both should work actually, the 800 version helps keep network connection alive supposedly |
| 21:41.36 | flip^ | well, i guess i can leave claws running to achieve that :) |
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| 21:43.32 | flip^ | ok, before i reflashed, i used to have this nifty little thing on my status bar which showed cpu/ram usage, the time, and acted as a launcher... anyone know what i'm talking about, as i can't remember where i got it from |
| 21:43.43 | disq | ossostatusbarcpu? |
| 21:43.50 | disq | _Monkey: osso-statusbar-cpu? |
| 21:43.50 | _Monkey | osso-statusbar-cpu is at http://www.maemo-hackers.org/wiki/OssoStatusbarCpu |
| 21:43.53 | disq | yep |
| 21:43.59 | flip^ | that sounds about right :) |
| 21:45.41 | disq | btw.. found out that minimo works better at iphone.facebook.com than microb |
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| 22:33.54 | bobbywaz | hey guys |
| 22:34.07 | bobbywaz | is there some website or app that replaces the beta of internet call invitation |
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| 22:34.17 | bobbywaz | I want to make video calls, but I don't know anyone else with an n800 |
| 22:34.25 | bobbywaz | I thought I would be able to video chat with skype |
| 22:35.49 | bobbywaz | it's kind of a retardedly stupid thing to remove from the device |
| 22:38.09 | bobbywaz | anyone? |
| 22:38.10 | bobbywaz | anyone? |
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| 22:40.14 | pupnik | ? |
| 22:40.46 | pupnik | video calling is a 'core app' for a camera-enabled internet tablet imo |
| 22:41.04 | zwnj | :* |
| 22:41.35 | bobbywaz | so I take it that means no. |
| 22:41.41 | pupnik | so yeah you should be able to use skype or whatever |
| 22:41.41 | bobbywaz | I've got to call people with n800's to use it |
| 22:41.54 | pupnik | unique311 knows about this stuff - check the internettablettalk.com forums about it |
| 22:42.14 | pupnik | imo you should be able to call whomever |
| 22:47.27 | bobbywaz | alright |
| 22:47.42 | bobbywaz | anyone happen to know a repo where I can get samba or aircrack? |
| 22:47.46 | jjo | 'internet call invitation' was kinda tied to the owners of n800 |
| 22:48.49 | jjo | n800 owners could only call other n800 users or (windows) pc users that have received an invitation from n800 owner |
| 22:49.15 | bobbywaz | I have an n800, that's exactly what I want |
| 22:49.22 | jjo | and the pc users couldn't call each other, only n800 users that had sent them invitations |
| 22:49.42 | bobbywaz | I want to be able to talk to my friend in Massachusetts with video, on my N800 without buying her an N800 |
| 22:50.40 | bobbywaz | I'm fine with that. |
| 22:50.58 | bobbywaz | I just want something that does that |
| 22:51.03 | bobbywaz | anything |
| 22:51.03 | _Monkey | i heard anything was possible |
| 22:51.59 | jjo | I'm not sure if the initial release of skype did that (voice only?) but as I understand it is planned even if it's not supported right now |
| 22:54.32 | bobbywaz | so no one knows of a pc-to-n800 video chat app at all, unofficial spanish betas included |
| 22:55.20 | jjo | seems that gizmo 4.0 beta can do that |
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| 22:58.23 | bobbywaz | really? |
| 22:58.27 | bobbywaz | I have that... |
| 22:58.28 | bobbywaz | lemme see |
| 23:02.31 | disq | guardiani.us seems to be back up |
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| 23:06.49 | bin2hex | can anyone tell me if its possible to put the flash player back on my n800 after removing it? |
| 23:07.42 | disq | the easiest would be to reflash the firmware (how did you remove it in the first place? sure you didn't just disable flash in the browser?) |
| 23:07.56 | bin2hex | id prefer not to have to reflash it (no pun) |
| 23:08.27 | bin2hex | removed it from app manager |
| 23:08.41 | disq | ooh, is it listed there? interesting |
| 23:08.54 | disq | no idea (for now) |
| 23:10.06 | bin2hex | yeah, i think i disabled it without knowing, so tried to reinstall :-/ |
| 23:10.54 | bin2hex | i thought it might be a reflash |
| 23:11.30 | bin2hex | thanks disq |
| 23:11.49 | bin2hex | off to sleep now |
| 23:11.52 | disq | good luck :/ night |
| 23:12.07 | bin2hex | cheers |
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| 23:22.21 | bobbywaz | anyone here know how to use aircrack-ptw on an N800 |
| 23:22.25 | esworp | yo n stuff. |
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| 23:24.12 | esworp | soe, like.. i think that I have a problem with opera on my n800... |
| 23:24.24 | esworp | downloads aren't working right. |
| 23:24.38 | bobbywaz | are they going backwards at points? |
| 23:24.45 | esworp | yeah. |
| 23:24.46 | bobbywaz | it says, 60% done, then 40% |
| 23:24.54 | esworp | yup |
| 23:24.58 | esworp | and then it'll stall |
| 23:25.00 | bobbywaz | mine does that too, I just got my n800, I don't know how to fix it yet |
| 23:25.29 | esworp | it has kinda put a damper on instaling .deb files. |
| 23:26.28 | bobbywaz | yes |
| 23:27.07 | esworp | where in the n800's file structure are the config-type files for the browser? |
| 23:28.36 | bobbywaz | seriously though, there is a router at work that we don't know the WEP key or password to, and we can't remove it... I'd really like to find out the WEP key to it. Can someone give me a really short walkthrough of aircrack on an N800 or at least answer a few of my question |
| 23:28.38 | bobbywaz | s |
| 23:29.14 | zerojay | There's a ton of stuff about that on Google. |
| 23:29.43 | bobbywaz | I'm looking around, they all don't say things like how to find out my mac address, I don't even know the /dev/ name of wifi |
| 23:30.11 | bobbywaz | I wasn't ever a hardcore linux use |
| 23:30.26 | zerojay | X.Org and KDM security hole... |
| 23:31.11 | zerojay | X.Org's composite extension has a local privilege escalation. |
| 23:32.30 | bobbywaz | so what you're saying is, I should know what those two things are |
| 23:32.35 | bobbywaz | because I don't |
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| 23:32.56 | zerojay | KDM can allow a user to login without a password if the machine is configured with auto-login for at least one user when a password is required to shutdown the machine. |
| 23:33.16 | zerojay | bobbywaz: No, I'm not. One has nothing to do with the other. I'm just informing people of a security hole that was found. |
| 23:33.52 | Atarii | bobbywa, just hard reset the router |
| 23:34.00 | Atarii | z* |
| 23:34.14 | zerojay | Take it off the network. |
| 23:35.06 | bobbywaz | I can't lose all the port forwards in it... It's the only router for the whole company... and with all the things they have plugged in, it would be much easiser to aircrack it... especially since I am really interested in learning how to do it reguardless. |
| 23:36.53 | bobbywaz | alright, forget aircrack then. how do I find my mac address |
| 23:42.14 | solmumaha | bobbywaz: of your tablet? |
| 23:43.31 | bobbywaz | nevermind, I got that far |
| 23:43.43 | bobbywaz | now, I believe I need root to use aircrack, so I'm doing that |
| 23:44.24 | solmumaha | k, you can find it from control panel -> device -> about product |
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