| 00:00.12 | disq | see dmesg output |
| 00:00.14 | Luria | is there a man files deb package |
| 00:00.21 | Luria | sounds like youre mounted ro :-) |
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| 00:00.34 | amr | yeah i think the card is a bit broken |
| 00:00.39 | amr | it has done this before |
| 00:00.56 | disq | at least it's not the device |
| 00:01.12 | amr | true, i have 2 broken cards now though |
| 00:01.24 | Luria | btw, am i nuts or does wifi on the 770 suck in comparison to the n800 |
| 00:01.25 | amr | one mmc-mobile doesnt get read by my card reader so i cant do anything with it |
| 00:01.31 | disq | cards often come with lifetime warranties |
| 00:01.36 | amr | im hoping so |
| 00:01.37 | Luria | or do i have a bad 770? |
| 00:02.21 | amr | filesystem panic on the card |
| 00:02.29 | disq | Luria: could be a number of things. slow mmc access? heavy site that strains the 770's cpu? |
| 00:02.46 | Luria | i was setting it(770) up for my mother and it wouldnt pick up the networks as easily as my n800 |
| 00:02.47 | alterego | Hmmm .. |
| 00:02.51 | amr | min while i type out the output |
| 00:03.09 | Luria | out of the box 770 |
| 00:03.16 | Luria | stock 64mb card |
| 00:03.19 | amr | [90.043426] FAT: filesystem panic (dev mmcblk0p1) |
| 00:03.44 | amr | [90.043487] fat_get_cluster: invalid cluster chain (i_pos 0) |
| 00:03.55 | Luria | yikes |
| 00:04.02 | amr | yeah, theres 3 of those entries |
| 00:04.39 | amr | what should i do |
| 00:05.48 | Luria | back up what you can and do a real reformat with something thatll mark bad sectors would be my approach |
| 00:06.02 | amr | im hoping my macbook can do that |
| 00:06.05 | Luria | but thats me :-) |
| 00:06.32 | Luria | gah macbooks dont have any flash slots |
| 00:06.35 | Luria | i hate that |
| 00:06.49 | amr | yeah i use a little adaptor |
| 00:07.30 | Luria | huh. maemo doesnt have format? |
| 00:07.37 | Luria | ie the command |
| 00:08.01 | disq | the file manager app can format the mmc |
| 00:08.44 | Jiten | is the issue that was corrupting SD-cards with n800 fixed for 770 kernel too? |
| 00:08.53 | amr | ** /dev/rdisk1s1 |
| 00:08.53 | amr | BAD SUPER BLOCK: MAGIC NUMBER WRONG |
| 00:08.58 | amr | this doesnt sound too hot |
| 00:09.15 | amr | SEARCH FOR ALTERNATE SUPER-BLOCK FAILED. |
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| 00:10.18 | Jiten | amr: I mean that sounds it might be the kernel bug that (combined with buggy card) busted quite a few cards. |
| 00:10.27 | Luria | any one know of a man/manpages deb? |
| 00:10.35 | amr | Jiten, wasnt that for n800s? |
| 00:10.50 | Luria | does that affect rsmmc cards? |
| 00:11.00 | amr | i have a 770 and its an rsmmc |
| 00:11.02 | Jiten | it was a kernel bug related to power management |
| 00:11.28 | Jiten | it was lowering the card's voltage before the card was done. |
| 00:11.37 | amr | awesome |
| 00:11.54 | Jiten | since the bug was in the kernel, I'd think it might affect 770 too |
| 00:13.53 | Jiten | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1204 the problem and fix is explained at the very end |
| 00:14.05 | amr | thanks |
| 00:14.39 | Jiten | anyway, I'm off to sleep. |
| 00:14.49 | amr | oh man ill do that tomorrow |
| 00:14.51 | amr | its 1:15am |
| 00:17.44 | amr | Volume passed verification |
| 00:17.47 | amr | lets see if it mounts |
| 00:17.53 | disq | i should go to bed too. night. |
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| 00:18.03 | amr | night disq |
| 00:18.06 | amr | thanks for the help guys |
| 00:18.07 | Luria | bad interview today. fortunately, its a job i dont think i want |
| 00:18.37 | Luria | sigh, so it goes. |
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| 00:42.06 | Tb0n3 | hey |R |
| 00:42.13 | |R | hey there :) |
| 00:42.29 | Tb0n3 | I'm trying to get gps and nav working on my laptop cause I need it tomorrow |
| 00:42.30 | Tb0n3 | :/ |
| 00:42.44 | Tb0n3 | I forgot I needed it to pick up my g/f, and I installed linux |
| 00:42.56 | |R | haha |
| 00:43.03 | |R | why do you need it? |
| 00:43.05 | Tb0n3 | whenever you do something like that it's a bitch cause there's ALWAYS something you forget |
| 00:43.19 | Tb0n3 | cause I'm going to take a / route rather than -| |
| 00:43.21 | Tb0n3 | err |
| 00:43.23 | Tb0n3 | _| |
| 00:43.29 | |R | ok :) |
| 00:43.36 | Tb0n3 | hmm |
| 00:43.40 | Tb0n3 | roadnav |
| 00:43.58 | Tb0n3 | it freaking got my gps position |
| 00:43.59 | Tb0n3 | YAY |
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| 00:50.57 | Tb0n3 | well, roadnav <3 now I guess |
| 00:51.08 | Tb0n3 | free maps |
| 00:51.16 | Tb0n3 | gps supported |
| 00:51.20 | Tb0n3 | free |
| 00:51.23 | Tb0n3 | all good |
| 00:51.44 | Tb0n3 | Chaquita NY |
| 00:51.49 | Tb0n3 | Chaquita Banana |
| 00:52.03 | Tb0n3 | Banananana fo fana |
| 00:52.16 | Tb0n3 | fe fi fo fana |
| 00:53.50 | Tb0n3 | I would love one for the 770 |
| 00:53.51 | Tb0n3 | is there? |
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| 01:00.32 | |R | a banana for the n700? |
| 01:00.34 | |R | 770 |
| 01:01.01 | doublec | maemo mapper? |
| 01:01.02 | _Monkey | rumour has it maemo mapper is geographical mapping software specifically designed for the Maemo platform and the Nokia 770/N800 form factor. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/maemo-mapper/ |
| 01:01.10 | doublec | I use it - it's good |
| 01:01.26 | |R | yep, tried it (without GPS) it's fun :) |
| 01:01.44 | Tb0n3 | awsomes |
| 01:01.49 | |R | I need to get my SD card and setup the japanese dictionary and this for tokyo for when i'll go there ;) |
| 01:01.51 | Tb0n3 | I'm totally gonna be mapped up |
| 01:01.57 | Tb0n3 | llz |
| 01:02.01 | Tb0n3 | useful as hell |
| 01:02.10 | Tb0n3 | lol |
| 01:02.27 | |R | "So how was japan !?" "oh, nice n800 screen..." |
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| 01:06.32 | Tb0n3 | oh, I had it installed already |
| 01:06.33 | Tb0n3 | XD |
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| 01:10.45 | venture37 | hi |
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| 01:12.33 | Tb0n3 | :( maemomapper ain't work fo me |
| 01:14.23 | Tb0n3 | read that it crashes on virtual earth repos |
| 01:14.26 | Tb0n3 | there they are |
| 01:14.27 | Tb0n3 | :D |
| 01:14.34 | Tb0n3 | lol england |
| 01:16.46 | doublec | i use the google maps repos |
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| 01:19.41 | Tb0n3 | just closed again |
| 01:19.42 | Tb0n3 | :( |
| 01:19.54 | Tb0n3 | not openstreet? |
| 01:21.56 | Tb0n3 | nope, route closes it |
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| 01:31.42 | Tb0n3 | freakin <3 getting email on my handheld device |
| 01:31.42 | Tb0n3 | <3 you guys |
| 01:37.00 | |R | anyone has used the xkbd-bthid in Maemo 3.2 ? |
| 01:42.53 | Tb0n3 | lol "I was heading to my boyfriends to 'celebrate' the fourth of july, packed a bottle of liquor." yeah, sure, you whore, you were going to have teh sex |
| 01:43.51 | Tb0n3 | teh sechs |
| 01:48.04 | |R | ?! |
| 01:48.58 | Tb0n3 | tv |
| 01:49.23 | Tb0n3 | oh god, it knows where the fuck I live |
| 01:49.54 | |R | and where would that be? (i mean, if TV knows, it's somewhere online already right haha;) |
| 01:50.10 | |R | oh and don't forget to paste you social security number... |
| 01:50.18 | |R | s/you/your |
| 01:54.53 | Tb0n3 | wtftftf? |
| 01:55.40 | Tb0n3 | I went to get directions between two places that go through all the maps I've d/led |
| 01:55.54 | Tb0n3 | and it downloads a state that's 200 miles too south |
| 01:56.03 | Tb0n3 | conneticuit? |
| 01:57.23 | |R | so you're in vermont? :P |
| 02:00.49 | Tb0n3 | yeah |
| 02:00.53 | Tb0n3 | how'd you guess |
| 02:00.54 | Tb0n3 | ;P |
| 02:01.02 | Tb0n3 | well, atm new york |
| 02:01.08 | Tb0n3 | going to vermont |
| 02:01.15 | Tb0n3 | nowhere near going to ct |
| 02:01.19 | Tb0n3 | or MA |
| 02:01.20 | |R | ehhe |
| 02:01.24 | Tb0n3 | >_> |
| 02:01.27 | |R | come to montreal, we have a /. party on sunday ;) |
| 02:01.34 | Tb0n3 | Lol |
| 02:01.49 | Tb0n3 | wel, I'm actually heading to california next saturday |
| 02:01.49 | Tb0n3 | ;) |
| 02:01.54 | Tb0n3 | well, saturday after this |
| 02:02.00 | Tb0n3 | 20th to the 27th |
| 02:02.08 | Tb0n3 | gonna use my 770 for sure |
| 02:02.12 | Tb0n3 | and possibly my psp |
| 02:02.22 | Tb0n3 | cause it hass games |
| 02:02.38 | Tb0n3 | listening to my 770's kagu with Sennheiser HD280s |
| 02:02.39 | Tb0n3 | <3 |
| 02:02.50 | |R | :) |
| 02:03.07 | |R | are there any better headphones with mic. that we can use ? |
| 02:03.28 | |R | i was hoping to see some progress on bluetooth headsets... i'd really love to be able to call from bars with my VoIP setup :) |
| 02:03.30 | Tb0n3 | you can get HD280s and a mic kit |
| 02:03.39 | Tb0n3 | lol |
| 02:03.44 | Tb0n3 | what do you use for voip? |
| 02:03.46 | Tb0n3 | I need that |
| 02:03.49 | |R | asterisk :) |
| 02:03.52 | Tb0n3 | ah |
| 02:03.52 | Tb0n3 | k |
| 02:04.01 | |R | rtcomm on the n800 |
| 02:04.33 | |R | i need to find a way to secure my traffic though (tunnel it back home safely) as rtcomm doesn't even support md5secret so everyone can easily sniff my pass: / |
| 02:04.42 | |R | i'd rather not get a huge bill next month :P |
| 02:04.43 | Tb0n3 | holy hell |
| 02:05.01 | Tb0n3 | kagu uses processes like a bitch |
| 02:05.10 | |R | I've heard there is a bug though, rtcomm only sends data to the wireless card directly, skipping tun0 if you use OpenVPN |
| 02:07.02 | Tb0n3 | /dev/tun0? |
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| 02:08.34 | Tb0n3 | where da asterisk |
| 02:08.35 | _Monkey | rumour has it the asterisk is already the newest version |
| 02:08.40 | Tb0n3 | lol |
| 02:08.58 | Tb0n3 | _Monkey forget asterisk |
| 02:08.59 | _Monkey | Tb0n3: I forgot asterisk |
| 02:09.01 | Tb0n3 | :D |
| 02:09.23 | |R | hahaha |
| 02:09.36 | |R | no, tun0 in ifconfig :) |
| 02:09.52 | Tb0n3 | oh god |
| 02:09.58 | Tb0n3 | roadnav you have failed me |
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| 02:11.06 | Tb0n3 | that can't possibly be right |
| 02:11.24 | Tb0n3 | 2.5 hours to get someplace that's 1.5 hours away from a place which is 2 hours away from me? |
| 02:12.38 | Tb0n3 | h4x |
| 02:12.46 | Tb0n3 | my computer just said Test Phrase |
| 02:12.57 | Tb0n3 | like a robot |
| 02:14.44 | Tb0n3 | :O satelite photos |
| 02:14.45 | Tb0n3 | :D |
| 02:15.02 | Tb0n3 | teh hax |
| 02:17.40 | Tb0n3 | but srsly, where's asterisk? |
| 02:20.19 | zerojay | The same place you left it. |
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| 02:20.39 | Tb0n3 | I like making a * in handwriting mode |
| 02:20.39 | Tb0n3 | not |
| 02:22.22 | hillct | good evening all |
| 02:22.48 | hillct | i just got an n800 and ame trying to get a handle on the various non-gui apps |
| 02:23.12 | |R | that would be ssh / busybox ? |
| 02:23.16 | hillct | i take it there's a terminal app or sudo facility but i don't see it |
| 02:23.40 | Tb0n3 | ha |
| 02:23.41 | Tb0n3 | well |
| 02:23.45 | hillct | |R: yes, and various daemons, thttpd, etc |
| 02:23.46 | |R | install openssh or osso-xterm |
| 02:23.51 | Tb0n3 | ssh root@localhost |
| 02:24.03 | Tb0n3 | or sudo gainroot |
| 02:24.08 | Tb0n3 | when you get becomeroot |
| 02:24.11 | |R | Tb0n3 : he need a shell first ;) |
| 02:24.14 | hillct | |R: openssh is itself a terminal app? |
| 02:24.25 | |R | hillct : no but you'll be able to access the n800 remotely |
| 02:24.29 | |R | it's an ssh server |
| 02:24.33 | hillct | ah |
| 02:24.35 | hillct | riht |
| 02:24.44 | hillct | right. Of course. that makes sense |
| 02:24.46 | |R | well actually there is openssh-client and openssh-server |
| 02:24.49 | |R | get both ;) |
| 02:24.55 | hillct | done |
| 02:25.14 | hillct | how do i start installed daemons at boot? |
| 02:25.27 | |R | in /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 02:25.35 | |R | are you familiar with linux? |
| 02:25.42 | hillct | sure |
| 02:25.48 | hillct | once I get to a console, I'm set |
| 02:25.53 | |R | hehe ok :) |
| 02:26.01 | |R | then ssh right in! |
| 02:26.03 | |R | change the root pass... |
| 02:26.04 | _Monkey | |R: that doesn't look right |
| 02:26.10 | hillct | am I missing the point where sshd gets started/ |
| 02:26.10 | |R | haha |
| 02:26.11 | hillct | / |
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| 02:26.26 | |R | ? |
| 02:26.33 | hillct | or is it added to rc scripts as part of the package install? |
| 02:26.37 | |R | it should be running after install? |
| 02:26.41 | |R | yes |
| 02:26.44 | hillct | ah |
| 02:26.46 | hillct | testing |
| 02:26.49 | |R | S20ssh |
| 02:27.00 | |R | (that's what i have here) |
| 02:33.55 | penguinbait | anyone priinting yet? |
| 02:35.45 | penguinbait | guess thats a noo |
| 02:36.05 | hillct | ok. next dumb question. I take it there's a default username I should be using for ssh. What's the default userid/password? |
| 02:36.32 | hillct | I take it all this basic stuff is documented somewhere... |
| 02:36.34 | penguinbait | rootme |
| 02:36.35 | _Monkey | hmmm... rootme is the default pw? |
| 02:36.41 | penguinbait | for root |
| 02:36.46 | hillct | LOL |
| 02:37.04 | penguinbait | user has no pwd |
| 02:37.32 | hillct | wow |
| 02:37.39 | Tb0n3 | http://cgi.4chan.org/f/src/chimneydance.swf |
| 02:37.40 | Tb0n3 | :D |
| 02:37.45 | hillct | I never figured it would be that trivial |
| 02:37.50 | hillct | this is cool |
| 02:38.42 | hillct | there are cdrom and floppy mount points? Damn |
| 02:38.45 | Tb0n3 | <3 nokia and their dedication to opensorse |
| 02:38.52 | Tb0n3 | open sores |
| 02:39.04 | hillct | this f$%ing ROCKS! |
| 02:39.29 | penguinbait | i am running kde, on n800 now |
| 02:39.46 | penguinbait | kvirc |
| 02:39.55 | [31d1] | how do you input text? |
| 02:40.20 | penguinbait | on screen keyboard, or external |
| 02:40.56 | penguinbait | its not as nice as hildon inputs though |
| 02:41.06 | [31d1] | the regular 770 keybo ... oh theres a kde one? |
| 02:41.08 | penguinbait | but useeable |
| 02:41.25 | penguinbait | xkbd |
| 02:41.37 | |R | hillct : yep, wait until you have it loaded with all sort of crap all in your pocket ;) |
| 02:41.41 | Tb0n3 | how slow is it? |
| 02:41.42 | hillct | is osso-xterm an actual terminal so if I attach a keyboard I can work locally on the pad? |
| 02:42.03 | Tb0n3 | and remotely |
| 02:42.38 | penguinbait | its not slow |
| 02:42.43 | Tb0n3 | hmm |
| 02:42.52 | hillct | what's the state of available SIP clients? |
| 02:43.02 | |R | hillct : i have rtcomm connecting to my asterisk |
| 02:43.14 | hillct | nice... |
| 02:43.14 | |R | hillct : and a bt kbd for the term etc |
| 02:43.33 | hillct | bt kbd? |
| 02:43.35 | |R | it's basically a good little umpc ;) |
| 02:43.40 | |R | bluetooth keyboard :) |
| 02:43.42 | hillct | ah |
| 02:43.54 | hillct | OMG. hadn't considered that... |
| 02:43.57 | penguinbait | its a real computer |
| 02:44.35 | hillct | I'm probably going to try building Callweaver PBX for it |
| 02:45.12 | hillct | currently, I'm running my callweaver installation on an NSLU2 arm box |
| 02:45.23 | |R | :) |
| 02:47.42 | zerojay | I've wanted one of those for a while. |
| 02:47.51 | zerojay | Too bad I've already out grown it. :/ |
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| 02:49.14 | hillct | zerojay: in favor of what? |
| 02:49.33 | Formal | Has anybody used their IT as a bt keyboard on their pc? |
| 02:50.09 | Formal | I cant't get it tto pair. It times out way too quick |
| 02:50.18 | zerojay | hillct: Just using my PC. |
| 02:50.29 | zerojay | As a Samba box. |
| 02:50.45 | zerojay | NSLU2 only has 2 USB ports. |
| 02:50.57 | Formal | I followed the directions @ mulliner.org |
| 02:50.59 | |R | Formal : i'd be interested in knowing how to use my PC to be a keyboard over bt to my n800 though ;) |
| 02:51.00 | zerojay | Two less than I need. |
| 02:51.09 | |R | (so i don't have to take out the small bt kbd at home ;) |
| 02:51.43 | hillct | zerojay: that's what they make USB hubs for |
| 02:51.52 | |R | just got a cirago bt-0321 adapter, this thing is so freaking small |
| 02:51.57 | Formal | You can ssh into the 800 and use yer pc keyboard |
| 02:52.11 | |R | Formal : i know, but for the graphical interface... |
| 02:52.15 | hillct | Formal: uh... yeah, but what fun is that |
| 02:52.25 | zerojay | hillct: I've heard that they have problems with the NSLU2. |
| 02:52.40 | Formal | I want bt to pc so i can use my 770 as a midi controller |
| 02:52.56 | |R | chaos-pad custom-style :) |
| 02:53.02 | hillct | zerojay: default firmware does have issues. But who uses the default firmware? Use SlugOS/be |
| 02:53.25 | zerojay | Even with that. |
| 02:53.36 | Formal | Sorta i just want the xkbdbthidwrapper to work |
| 02:53.44 | hillct | I've been running it with an 8 port usb hub from day one |
| 02:53.47 | hillct | no issues |
| 02:54.11 | Formal | I've already mae the script for my pc to use it a an ableton live controller |
| 02:54.21 | zerojay | Others have. |
| 02:54.28 | zerojay | Rather not take the risk. |
| 02:54.58 | zerojay | Maybe better off going to something a little more high end. |
| 02:55.09 | Formal | As you can tell my typing is not up to par on my 770 |
| 02:56.13 | |R | i may end up just using a quicksynergy but bluetooth sounds more fun ;) |
| 03:00.29 | Formal | Is there any chance of an rdesktop version with sound? |
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| 03:04.06 | hillct | interesting |
| 03:04.30 | hillct | on my IT, the user account comes locked by default |
| 03:04.52 | |R | locked? you mean a password is set ? |
| 03:04.59 | |R | it's probably 12345 like all nokia codes |
| 03:05.18 | |R | at least, i guess, you can't destroy a sim card by entering it wrong 3 times +10 hehe |
| 03:05.29 | hillct | account is locked as in ! |
| 03:05.42 | hillct | newest firmware image |
| 03:05.48 | hillct | a good move really... |
| 03:06.14 | hillct | or is * locked. I forget |
| 03:07.17 | Tb0n3 | OS2007he? |
| 03:07.18 | _Monkey | it has been said that OS2007he is on track, there is something quite ready - still with internal reviews though (and don't try to deduce any date from this because even myself fail at these exercises) :) [qgill, 18 Aug] |
| 03:07.25 | Tb0n3 | or latest OS2006 |
| 03:08.34 | hillct | 07 |
| 03:08.46 | hillct | 38-2 |
| 03:08.58 | hillct | I think... |
| 03:28.47 | hillct | what's the deal with becomeroot on n800 w/OS2007 ? |
| 03:29.02 | hillct | homepage suggests it could brick the thing |
| 03:29.15 | hillct | really? |
| 03:30.41 | hillct | or is that warning there just for really rare cases? |
| 03:33.00 | |R | i never used it |
| 03:33.02 | |R | i don't get it |
| 03:33.03 | |R | hehe |
| 03:33.38 | |R | ssh in, change pass, change sudo rights if necessary... |
| 03:34.01 | |R | i think it has to do with history... but i only have this n800 since last week :) |
| 03:37.25 | hillct | and it works for you? |
| 03:38.44 | hillct | looking at the webpage, I see the homepage where the install file can be downloaded, but the relevent repo when clicked doesn't get added as a repo, but just gets displated as a text file. Mime type problem I suppose |
| 03:39.02 | hillct | I also see two distros listed |
| 03:39.41 | hillct | not sure what each relate to |
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| 04:12.33 | |R | hillct : which ones? |
| 04:12.48 | |R | hillct : but yeah, everything worked out here without gainroot or whatever |
| 04:12.54 | |R | i switched to red pill mode though |
| 04:13.01 | |R | but in the end i install everything with dpkg |
| 04:13.20 | |R | there is too many repository and conficts to deal with apps manger cleanly and still have fun ;) |
| 04:13.33 | hillct | ah |
| 04:13.41 | hillct | red pill mode huh? |
| 04:13.58 | |R | yep, go to application manger |
| 04:14.04 | |R | select add repository somewhere |
| 04:14.17 | |R | in the http:// ... delete that in type "matrix" and click cancel |
| 04:15.02 | |R | http://hildon-app-mgr.garage.maemo.org/redpill.html |
| 04:19.10 | hillct | so, which build of becomroot did you end up installing? |
| 04:19.24 | hillct | i can't seem to find the right one |
| 04:19.29 | |R | none ? |
| 04:19.39 | hillct | confused |
| 04:19.45 | |R | dpkg -l|grep -i root | wc -l -> 0 |
| 04:20.11 | |R | as i said, i don't understand what this become root is... and i managed to install everything i need |
| 04:20.17 | hillct | thought that was the whole point - to be able to gain root access from user account in xterm |
| 04:20.20 | |R | so maybe i missed something but it seems i don't need it |
| 04:20.31 | |R | well i can sudo su - |
| 04:20.42 | hillct | hmm |
| 04:20.49 | hillct | sudo su ? both? |
| 04:20.58 | hillct | never seen anyone use both |
| 04:20.58 | |R | so i don't have to type a pass |
| 04:21.08 | |R | gives a root shell |
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| 04:22.49 | doublec | anyone here tried building microb-engine from source/ |
| 04:22.52 | doublec | ? |
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| 04:31.11 | |R | hillct: maybe gainroot bypasses the need for ssh, that must be the point? to do it locally... |
| 04:31.37 | hillct | aparently |
| 04:39.04 | hillct | LOL |
| 04:39.11 | hillct | here's the trivial solution |
| 04:39.21 | hillct | add this to /etc/sudoers |
| 04:39.23 | hillct | user ALL = NOPASSWD: /bin/ash |
| 04:39.45 | |R | i did ALL ALL here since i m alone on the system |
| 04:39.57 | hillct | oh, yeah |
| 04:40.05 | hillct | well that'd be an important detail |
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| 04:41.22 | hillct | that's why you were able to sudo, but if you do ALL NOPASSWD, you won't need to sudo su |
| 04:41.43 | hillct | easier to sudo ash |
| 04:44.08 | Blacksitox | bye |
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| 05:11.35 | Esworp | i just installed the lcars theme and sounds >tres kinky! |
| 05:14.50 | |R | haha what's that? |
| 05:17.22 | |R | haha i see... trekkies ;) |
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| 05:36.23 | czr | mornink |
| 05:37.15 | |R | hey :) |
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| 05:43.44 | latzko | hi |
| 05:45.02 | czr | |R, any news? |
| 05:53.55 | |R | for today? uhm, fceu was kind-of fixed on the n800 |
| 05:54.38 | czr | what is it? |
| 05:54.53 | czr | fibre-channel for european union? |
| 05:55.40 | |R | haha non, more like FCE Ultra... which i have no clue what it stands for |
| 05:55.44 | |R | but it runs NES games ;) |
| 05:55.54 | |R | (for the nostalgic...) |
| 05:56.37 | czr | ah, too bad I don't have any of those.. |
| 05:57.10 | |R | coolrom.com? :) |
| 05:58.10 | czr | mmm |
| 05:58.13 | czr | maybe later :-) |
| 05:58.16 | |R | hehe :) |
| 05:58.30 | |R | i was beta testing for Tak|work actually |
| 05:58.30 | czr | need to work a bit still. but the emu is good you say? |
| 05:59.03 | |R | well, if you can find a game that plays with the d-pad and only one button at a time without a need for vert fast tapping of the A/B button, yes ;) |
| 05:59.27 | latzko | hi, on layout mode, my applet causes the device to hang if other applet was overlapped, instead of displaying the standard error message. Have you got any clue why? |
| 05:59.30 | |R | (Life Force for example, i'm guessing tetris and such too, and uhm... ) |
| 06:00.20 | czr | |R, ah, I see the problem :-) |
| 06:00.40 | czr | maybe one should start manufacturing console pads that would use BT and then one could use those with the device? |
| 06:02.00 | |R | hehe, i don't even think you can change the configuration to receive input keys by other means than tapping the screen ;) |
| 06:02.10 | czr | |R, or, maybe it will be easier with the new device (assuming it will have the slide-out-keyboard) |
| 06:02.11 | |R | but that wouldn't be too hard to change in the code i guess... |
| 06:02.20 | czr | assuming it's open source. |
| 06:02.52 | |R | let's hope, and that it doesn't deprecate the n800 |
| 06:03.13 | czr | of course it will :-) |
| 06:03.26 | |R | but i mean, not like the n770 was deprecated in term of OS support |
| 06:03.31 | czr | although I hope not. but what are the odds of not deprecating? |
| 06:03.43 | |R | they said two more release after 4.0 i think... |
| 06:03.51 | czr | well, that makes sense |
| 06:03.59 | |R | yeah a bit better... |
| 06:04.08 | |R | i hope that by then we'll have bluetooth headset support |
| 06:04.27 | czr | there's still no bt headset support? |
| 06:04.32 | |R | all the code is there, it should work with a little integration on their part me think.. |
| 06:04.36 | |R | i don't think so |
| 06:04.52 | |R | (other than very hackish attempts, but most people don't want to recompile kernels and modules) |
| 06:04.57 | zodttd | Whats the horsepower behind the N800? |
| 06:04.57 | czr | indeed |
| 06:05.03 | czr | zodttd, two horses! |
| 06:05.06 | |R | haha |
| 06:05.14 | zodttd | Need three for me to port psx4all to it :( |
| 06:05.15 | |R | french 2CV :) |
| 06:05.17 | czr | although the other one is still quite young. |
| 06:06.03 | zodttd | pupnik has me interested in this gadget, and the buy.com sale is pretty nice. |
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| 06:07.17 | |R | zodttd : it's plain evil, don't get one! i've been wasting all my week playing with it hahah ;) |
| 06:07.24 | |R | (it rocks ;) |
| 06:07.31 | zodttd | heh |
| 06:07.48 | zodttd | I usually dont use the gadgets I put my software on though. :( |
| 06:08.06 | zodttd | This one seems useful though |
| 06:08.11 | |R | see it as an underpowered but at a very good price, umpc :) |
| 06:08.12 | czr | zodttd, I had the same problem |
| 06:08.48 | zodttd | I despise UMPCs since they run X86 Windows software. No use for my software then. |
| 06:08.49 | czr | |R, umpc = "um, what can I do with this PC"? |
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| 06:08.59 | |R | hehe |
| 06:09.08 | czr | zodttd, what software is that? |
| 06:09.09 | |R | but form factor / use -wise that is ;) |
| 06:09.19 | zodttd | How underpowered? I wrote my playstation emulator for underpowered ARM based platforms. |
| 06:09.28 | zodttd | psx4gp2x |
| 06:10.29 | czr | zodttd, http://pastebin.com/m77232f42 |
| 06:10.33 | czr | if that helps any |
| 06:10.36 | czr | it's an OMAP |
| 06:10.39 | zodttd | The GP2X is 200MHz ARM9. When overclocked to 266MHz, it runs a handful of games at playable speeds. |
| 06:10.46 | zodttd | OMAP, ah this might be fun :) |
| 06:10.47 | czr | but can't recall the number by heart atm |
| 06:11.20 | czr | I especially like the "Some Random V6 Processor rev 2 (v61)" line in the report :-) |
| 06:11.51 | zodttd | haha |
| 06:11.53 | zodttd | yeah |
| 06:12.00 | zodttd | hold, I got it |
| 06:12.15 | zodttd | TI OMAP 2420, which is clocked at 330MHz |
| 06:12.24 | czr | could be |
| 06:12.32 | czr | the 2420 sounds right at least. |
| 06:12.33 | zodttd | That seems right |
| 06:12.50 | czr | and looking at the bogomips counter, the 330 might be right as well |
| 06:13.11 | zodttd | http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?contentId=4671&navigationId=11990&templateId=6123 |
| 06:13.14 | zodttd | yup 330MHz |
| 06:13.36 | czr | if you're planning to utilize the integrated dsp (ti c55x), then that's going to be hardish |
| 06:13.50 | zodttd | Nope, probably little need |
| 06:13.52 | czr | but there are people working on putting the vorbis stuff on the dsp, ask them how hard.. |
| 06:13.55 | czr | good |
| 06:14.16 | czr | zodttd, the UI is limited wrt key count |
| 06:14.21 | zodttd | My main concerns beyond the CPU would be the framebuffer performance |
| 06:14.24 | czr | so that's going to be the biggest issue |
| 06:14.28 | zodttd | Yeah thats next |
| 06:14.31 | zodttd | how to control the beast |
| 06:14.32 | zodttd | heh |
| 06:14.51 | zodttd | I assume gpSP (GBA) is on this already? |
| 06:15.11 | czr | you better ask other folk, I'm not a gamer :-) |
| 06:15.20 | czr | (although I have to confess, I do have a PSP) |
| 06:15.21 | zodttd | Hrmm. If not, I can get it on there as well. |
| 06:15.33 | czr | I remember seeing couple of emulators at least |
| 06:16.10 | czr | I hear that doom runs with decent framerates |
| 06:16.11 | zodttd | Yeah, the author of it is a friend of mine. I helped get gpSP on the GP2X. Its a fairly easy port now, even with the dynarec. |
| 06:16.21 | czr | so I guess it's possible to get the framebuffer performance to somewhere |
| 06:16.22 | |R | xmame frontend to fceu is there |
| 06:16.33 | |R | (xmaeme) |
| 06:16.46 | |R | quake1 runs "well" |
| 06:16.47 | czr | zodttd, cool |
| 06:17.12 | czr | it would be nice.. :-) |
| 06:17.32 | zodttd | I would prefer the 1.1GHz OMAP thats out now. Supposedly its going to be in the N900. |
| 06:17.48 | czr | 1.1? that's crazy. |
| 06:17.52 | zodttd | Yup |
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| 06:18.08 | |R | woah |
| 06:18.14 | |R | how much is that thing going to cost !? |
| 06:18.20 | zodttd | I'm receiving one for development soon (the 1.1GHz OMAP SoC) |
| 06:18.23 | czr | USD per MGz |
| 06:18.30 | czr | MHz even |
| 06:18.39 | disq | 1.1? sick |
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| 06:18.48 | czr | |R, I guess we'll know when they tell something real about it |
| 06:18.53 | czr | zodttd, is the name official though? |
| 06:18.54 | zodttd | The devkit costs over $1000. But I believe the system on chip (like the Nxxx uses) is in the low hundred. |
| 06:19.30 | czr | I'd guess the pricing will be slightly higher than N800 launch then |
| 06:19.43 | czr | or maybe at the same level. maybe. not an oracle. |
| 06:19.48 | zodttd | czr: Theres a big discussion about this SoC on gp32x.com since the distributor of the GP2X handheld is making his own gaming handheld. "Rumored" to be this 1.1GHz |
| 06:19.51 | zodttd | OMAP :) |
| 06:20.03 | czr | cool |
| 06:20.18 | czr | the more the merrier |
| 06:20.23 | czr | as long as they run linux! |
| 06:20.28 | zodttd | When I spoke to pupnik he mentioned the N900 is going to probably be announced soon |
| 06:20.29 | |R | cheers to that! |
| 06:20.33 | zodttd | They are :) |
| 06:20.40 | zodttd | Its an open source handheld |
| 06:20.46 | czr | that's cool too |
| 06:21.06 | zodttd | heh :) |
| 06:21.09 | czr | hell, I don't even follow stuff related to maemo :-) |
| 06:21.35 | czr | zodttd, what's the asking price for N800 on buy.com then? |
| 06:21.47 | disq | 233 i think |
| 06:21.47 | zodttd | $230 I believe |
| 06:22.02 | czr | not bad |
| 06:22.18 | zodttd | heh |R |
| 06:22.40 | disq | i don't think it can get better than that |
| 06:22.58 | |R | if it does, i'm buying another one to video chat with my gf |
| 06:23.00 | disq | afaik the 770 is still going for $140 |
| 06:23.17 | |R | 99$ at some places |
| 06:23.21 | czr | that's not bad either |
| 06:23.41 | |R | soon to be in the christmas socks of childrens as their "my first IT!" |
| 06:23.57 | czr | well, for a change it will be IT, not "my first TI". |
| 06:23.57 | czr | :-) |
| 06:24.04 | |R | haha |
| 06:24.07 | disq | lol |
| 06:24.14 | czr | silly even. |
| 06:24.29 | |R | yep |
| 06:24.44 | |R | talking about silly things, i had to order this : http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/generic/991e/ |
| 06:24.56 | |R | i'm gonna be a huge dork i know, but couldn't resist :P |
| 06:25.04 | czr | haha |
| 06:25.11 | czr | do tell me how it works in real life :-) |
| 06:25.21 | |R | yep sure will (when/if they ship :P) |
| 06:25.39 | |R | oh wait it's back in stock, it wasnt this morning when i ordered |
| 06:25.45 | |R | so that should be soon enough :) |
| 06:25.56 | czr | they pulled them out of stock when they saw that you were ordering |
| 06:26.01 | czr | "oh no.. not HIM again!" |
| 06:26.04 | |R | yeah :/ |
| 06:26.07 | |R | everybody does that :/ |
| 06:26.07 | |R | haha |
| 06:26.15 | czr | "quickly, hide all the warez!" |
| 06:26.19 | |R | :P |
| 06:26.37 | |R | put the tinfoil on the wi-fi! he's wearing that shirt again! |
| 06:27.07 | czr | I'd order more from tg, but the postage and duty kills all motivation |
| 06:27.27 | |R | yeah, it's crazy expensive :| |
| 06:27.32 | |R | i don't know for the states |
| 06:27.38 | |R | but when shipping to montreal, ouch! |
| 06:27.46 | |R | almost the price of the shirt :| |
| 06:27.47 | procto | |R: I ordered one, too! |
| 06:27.52 | |R | procto : hahah :) |
| 06:29.12 | |R | After wardriving, war-wearing ! </bad> |
| 06:30.56 | |R | is anyone familiar with bluetooth tools under linux? |
| 06:31.10 | |R | just got a usb dongle working... i can ping the n800 but i'm lost after that ;) |
| 06:31.31 | |R | i was wondering how hard it is to set a presence daemon or something to activate when it sense my n800 |
| 06:31.43 | |R | Could be a fun thing with home automation 8) |
| 06:32.41 | czr | you'd come home one night, slightly tired, and from the darkness you'd hear a menacing voice "I AM THE DEMON OF PRESENCE! YOU DO NOT BELONG! YOU HAVE 20 SECONDS TO COMPLY!". |
| 06:32.46 | czr | how fun would that be then? |
| 06:32.59 | |R | right on! best way to screw up a date! :P |
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| 06:33.25 | |R | "but you said you weren't that much into computers!" "wait wait let me get a shell on my NIT ..." |
| 06:33.26 | |R | haha |
| 06:33.34 | czr | indeed! |
| 06:34.14 | czr | "hmm. give me a sec with the lock, I just remembered a ran some patches against the sw just yesterday, and damn.. I wonder why it doesn't open.. " |
| 06:34.25 | Gathaja | :D |
| 06:34.52 | czr | |R, that's ok, no one is counting! :-) |
| 06:34.53 | |R | "rootme! rootme! damn, that voice recognition is down!" |
| 06:35.01 | czr | heh |
| 06:35.11 | czr | "you want me to what you??" |
| 06:35.16 | |R | :P |
| 06:35.58 | czr | neh, been fun. thanks for the entertainment. -> workie workie |
| 06:36.12 | |R | i really hope that 32G SDHC comming out around january will be priced below 200$ |
| 06:36.28 | |R | czr : good day :) |
| 06:36.35 | |R | i'm going to bed ;) |
| 06:36.41 | czr | oh, I'll lurk around in the shadows |
| 06:36.46 | GeneralAntilles | 64GB |
| 06:36.46 | czr | yeah, night. |
| 06:36.51 | GeneralAntilles | Yums |
| 06:37.00 | |R | GeneralAntilles : that's over SDHC specs though :) |
| 06:37.08 | |R | (i still don't get that limit...) |
| 06:37.15 | GeneralAntilles | 2x 32GB? |
| 06:37.17 | |R | oh |
| 06:37.18 | |R | haha |
| 06:37.22 | GeneralAntilles | ;) |
| 06:39.01 | disq | i think it's just to make sure they can sell newer cards/formats with latest specs |
| 06:39.13 | disq | licensing cost = yummy |
| 06:39.27 | |R | urhm.. :/ |
| 06:40.05 | |R | compact flash was IDE pin compatible |
| 06:40.06 | disq | not to mention forcing users to get new cards (as new hardware don't support old ones for form factor reasons) |
| 06:40.18 | |R | newer SDHC++ should be SATA3 compatible or whatever |
| 06:40.43 | |R | it will be hard to justify moving away from microSDHC :) |
| 06:41.00 | |R | (form factor wise...) |
| 06:41.27 | disq | they'll make newer ones triangular :P (bsg-inspiration) |
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| 06:41.57 | Syntra | Is anyone on? |
| 06:41.58 | disq | or change the pin layout and say the new format draws less current |
| 06:41.59 | _Monkey | disq: that doesn't look right |
| 06:42.00 | |R | haha |
| 06:42.06 | disq | lol |
| 06:42.08 | Syntra | Wow, perfect timing |
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| 06:42.28 | Syntra | Uhh, I'm trying to get into my N800's Main file system using X Terminal? |
| 06:42.38 | |R | Syntra : ok? |
| 06:42.39 | Syntra | Using the CD Command |
| 06:42.59 | Syntra | I wanna get to a file I have in my "N800" file |
| 06:43.08 | Syntra | I have no clue how to, to be honest |
| 06:43.11 | |R | cd ~user/MyDocs ? |
| 06:43.44 | |R | and then "ls -a" should show some hidden directories of the user's doc) |
| 06:43.56 | Syntra | Alright |
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| 06:49.14 | Syntra | OK yeah that worked |
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| 07:02.17 | Syntra | OK uhh... DPKG hates me apparently |
| 07:02.25 | Syntra | I'm putting in "dpkg -i openttd_0.4.7jtra-1_armel.deb" |
| 07:02.37 | Syntra | It gives me "dpkg: need an action option |
| 07:02.39 | Syntra | " |
| 07:02.53 | Syntra | Anyone have an idea as to what I should do? |
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| 07:03.12 | czr | check your command line again, that command is valid |
| 07:03.19 | czr | dpkg -i packagename.deb |
| 07:03.48 | Syntra | I've checked it multiple times. |
| 07:04.15 | Syntra | I've even tried what it said, which is "dpkg -i|--install openttd_0.4.7jtra-1_armel.deb" |
| 07:04.37 | czr | err |
| 07:04.43 | czr | -i OR --install |
| 07:04.48 | czr | not both at the same time |
| 07:04.53 | Syntra | Ohh alright |
| 07:04.58 | Syntra | I'll try --install then |
| 07:05.01 | czr | are you writing the quotes as well? |
| 07:05.11 | Syntra | No |
| 07:05.13 | czr | good |
| 07:05.39 | Syntra | --install does the same thing |
| 07:06.26 | Syntra | Someone just needs to make OpenTTD for the N800 into a .deb |
| 07:06.36 | Syntra | This one is for OS06 |
| 07:06.39 | Syntra | I have OS07 |
| 07:07.29 | zchydem | hmm could that be a privilege problem? Isn't root the only one that can run dpkg -install |
| 07:07.45 | pupnik | root |
| 07:07.50 | zchydem | have you tried to "sudo gainroot" |
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| 07:08.03 | Syntra | I gained root using ssh root@localhost |
| 07:08.16 | pupnik | Syntra: something is strange |
| 07:08.25 | pupnik | try installing another package with dpkg -i |
| 07:08.44 | Syntra | I don't think I have any other packages |
| 07:08.51 | Syntra | I'm pretty much sure its just this one |
| 07:08.59 | Syntra | Thats screwing it up |
| 07:09.16 | latzko | hi I need some applet help |
| 07:09.48 | pupnik | you can't be sure |
| 07:09.53 | Syntra | True |
| 07:09.58 | pupnik | unless you experiment and verify |
| 07:10.18 | Syntra | What would you tell me if it wasn't just that one? |
| 07:10.54 | latzko | what kind of signal or function runs on layout mode when two applets are overlapped? |
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| 07:19.37 | Syntra | OK I just tried a Different .deb file and I got the same thing. |
| 07:20.02 | Syntra | "dpkg: need an action option" |
| 07:25.17 | Syntra | Yeeah, I sadly think I might have to wait for someone to compile a OS07 compliant version of OpenTTD. |
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| 07:32.46 | StevenK | Hi, I was looking for the source packages for osso-systemui-dbus-dev and libosso-abook-dev - I can't find them in the maemo3.2 repository at all. |
| 07:34.07 | inz | StevenK, do you have non-source package for osso-systemui-dbus-dev? |
| 07:34.47 | StevenK | No, I don't have the binary packages for it either. |
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| 07:54.17 | czr | inz, you know whether it's possible (or sane) to use libosso rpc-functions to do a simple d-bus method call which returns an array of strings? At least osso_rpc_ret_t doesn't seem to support other than "simple types" (not arrays)? |
| 07:57.06 | czr | osso_rpc_t even |
| 08:03.04 | disq | i used plain dbus for that in kagu |
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| 08:04.06 | czr | is there a simple DBus method that is always present in the SDK that will return some simple data (non-arrays)? |
| 08:05.42 | disq | i used bus.get_object().methodname() for all that, though it's python and probably different |
| 08:06.06 | czr | yeah, unfortunately I'm restricted to C (and LibOSSO) |
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| 08:14.26 | inz | czr, no, libosso supports nothing fancy |
| 08:14.42 | czr | inz, so it seems :-) |
| 08:14.51 | inz | czr, you should suggest everyone to use the dbus glib bindings instead of crappy libosso ;) |
| 08:15.01 | czr | but I'm having a problem in that I can't come up with anything useful on the SDK where I could demonstrate libosso rpc functions |
| 08:15.10 | czr | inz, that part is covered already. |
| 08:17.14 | Gathaja | I'm getting error: "relocation error: ./program: symbol powf, version GLIBCXX_3.4 not defined in file libstdc++.so.6 with link time reference" What should be done to fix this? The same code worked fine when it was on a different class |
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| 08:20.52 | pupnik | i saw the powf problem too |
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| 08:36.32 | czr | you need to rename it into poof() |
| 08:43.41 | Gathaja | hm? |
| 08:48.58 | pupnik | for some reason it only occurred on the device |
| 08:49.31 | czr | Gathaja, it was a joke. |
| 08:50.00 | Gathaja | ok :) |
| 08:50.22 | czr | when I run into problems which I can't explain, I laugh at them. |
| 08:50.31 | pupnik | you getting the problem in scratchbox too? |
| 08:50.33 | czr | (no, it doesn't really help solving the problems) |
| 08:50.38 | Gathaja | pupnik: yes |
| 08:50.58 | Gathaja | I haven't tried on the device |
| 08:53.32 | Gathaja | it's easy to laugh especially if the problem is someone elses :) |
| 09:02.21 | czr | Gathaja, yes, but you should hear me giggling away at my problems sometimes. |
| 09:02.57 | Gathaja | okay, thats good :) |
| 09:03.38 | Gathaja | I usually start laughing when everything goes so bad there's nothing else to do but to laugh |
| 09:03.45 | czr | me too. |
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| 09:07.37 | pupnik | what i don't understand is you not getting the error in a different class |
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| 09:14.14 | Gathaja | it worked fine before, but now when I moved the code to different class.. |
| 09:15.10 | pupnik | that is an interesting clue as to the source of the problem! |
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| 09:15.38 | Gathaja | :) |
| 09:20.03 | flip^ | anyone have any idea why my Application Manager has stopped working - launching it simply opens a blank white window (titled Application manager) that does nothing, and tapping the close X does nothing til it prompts to forcefully close it because its not responding...? |
| 09:24.48 | florian | good morning |
| 09:25.00 | pupnik | flip^: go to console and as root type apt-get update and see if you get errors |
| 09:26.22 | flip^ | pupnik: have done, it throws a GPG error over tableteer (which it's always done), but that's it |
| 09:26.35 | pupnik | ok then your dpkg-status is fine |
| 09:26.54 | flip^ | it was throwing a couple of other GPG errors, but i went through sources.list and commented out most of the repositories (using the same style as the app manager expects) |
| 09:27.25 | flip^ | it was working yesterday morning... and i did nothing other than close it and reopen it 10 minutes later and found it not working (and it hasn't worked since) |
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| 09:38.00 | flip^ | multiple pupnik's? |
| 09:40.36 | amr | how normal is it for the tablet not to respond to incoming connections? |
| 09:41.08 | amr | like i cant ssh in, i cant ping |
| 09:42.23 | czr | amr, mine falls out from WPA as well sometimes. |
| 09:42.42 | czr | I think it has something to do with session key renegotiation at 802.11g level. |
| 09:42.58 | czr | once I ping outside from N800, it wakes up |
| 09:43.20 | flip^ | can i use apt-get to reinstall the application-manager? |
| 09:44.31 | amr | i cant actually ping it though |
| 09:44.37 | amr | and im using an unprotected connection |
| 09:44.40 | amr | just mac filtered |
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| 09:45.55 | amr | it could very well be my router, its on its last legs |
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| 10:09.41 | czr | ls -la |
| 10:09.46 | czr | heh |
| 10:10.14 | alterego | Good morning! |
| 10:10.34 | czr | hey alterego :-) |
| 10:10.40 | alterego | Aloha |
| 10:10.47 | czr | just finished up a simple libdbus client |
| 10:10.52 | alterego | Nice |
| 10:11.15 | czr | nothing too fancy. fire & forget method call. |
| 10:11.26 | alterego | I'm writting tests, examples and api docs today. |
| 10:11.53 | alterego | The tests naturally reinforce the API and make bugs quite apparant :) |
| 10:12.33 | czr | or you could hire some evil minded dev to write the test cases for you |
| 10:12.57 | alterego | I don't think so :) |
| 10:13.13 | alterego | I like doing different things. Keeps my brain from turning to complete mush ;) |
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| 10:29.32 | Gathaja | okay, there was easy solution to my problem. I changed float parameters to double... |
| 10:32.05 | Gathaja | i didn't realize that I changed the types of the parameters |
| 10:33.04 | alterego | Anyone know what the 'new!' method is about? |
| 10:34.22 | alterego | Ah, must be a glib thing .. |
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| 10:47.11 | timeless | hello world |
| 10:48.37 | alterego | Interesting .. |
| 10:49.45 | timeless | how do i find "hacker edition"? |
| 10:52.08 | alterego | Use the force. |
| 10:52.12 | alterego | Oh, I meant google sorry. |
| 10:52.42 | timeless | why can't i use downloads.maemo.org to search for it? |
| 10:56.16 | X-Fade | timeless: Because it is not an application? :) |
| 10:56.33 | timeless | i didn't go to applications.maemo.org! |
| 10:57.23 | X-Fade | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/os2007on770/ |
| 10:57.40 | timeless | and how do i edit https://maemo.org/community/wiki/os2007on770/ ? |
| 10:57.43 | X-Fade | Or even.. https://garage.maemo.org/projects/os2007on770/ |
| 10:57.45 | alterego | If you'd have used google you would have found it by now. |
| 10:57.57 | timeless | alterego: i'm already flashing it |
| 10:57.58 | alterego | :P |
| 10:57.59 | timeless | that's so not the point |
| 10:58.00 | alterego | WOO! |
| 10:58.10 | alterego | Sure it isn't. |
| 10:58.11 | timeless | the point is that the correct paths don't work |
| 10:58.27 | alterego | Yes, the maemo site is some what chaotic. |
| 10:58.35 | X-Fade | timeless: File a bug? :) |
| 10:58.40 | alterego | :) |
| 10:58.51 | timeless | x-fade: against what? :( |
| 10:59.04 | timeless | i actually need to file a bug against the SDK |
| 11:00.29 | timeless | http://www.sunwarestore.com/javawear/product/freeTShirt |
| 11:00.34 | timeless | SKU Option Available |
| 11:00.34 | timeless | JSC-299-L 0 |
| 11:00.35 | timeless | JSC-299-XL -19 |
| 11:00.43 | timeless | ah, it feels like a nokia/maemo product |
| 11:00.45 | timeless | -19 shirts |
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| 12:17.33 | alterego | Oops :) |
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| 13:10.24 | sciboy | WOO! I finally ordered myself a damn N800 |
| 13:10.43 | sciboy | Let the linux-based-love-hate-relationship begin in a week or two! |
| 13:10.50 | sciboy | =D |
| 13:12.17 | hillct | this is such a great outfit http://www.cyberguys.com/ |
| 13:12.35 | hillct | first item that shows up is a rollable fabric bluetooth keyboard |
| 13:12.52 | Veggen | sciboy: I just can't stand *Windows closedness. At all. |
| 13:13.25 | sciboy | Veggen, I'm fond of open source, but I don't really mind as long as it gets the job done well, linux did that for me much better than windows ever did. |
| 13:13.36 | Veggen | sciboy: trying to use it, I tend to end up quite frustrated :) Thus, most Linux and BSD things are immensely more satisfying. |
| 13:13.43 | Veggen | Let's face it: |
| 13:13.49 | Veggen | *nothing* is hassle-free. |
| 13:14.30 | Veggen | And hassles under Linux/BSD are just much more consistent experiences, something that's usually of value to learn, because you can get to the bottom of it and understand it. |
| 13:14.33 | sciboy | That aside, is development still steady on most apps? |
| 13:14.59 | sciboy | In other words, should I be proactive with my bug reports? |
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| 13:20.16 | sciboy | How about the mozilla browser? =P |
| 13:20.47 | sciboy | I migrated most of my stuff to online ajax apps. |
| 13:21.33 | sciboy | OMGOSH, I'm in the IRC log! HI READERS! |
| 13:27.49 | mgedmin | sciboy: bug reports can't hurt |
| 13:27.55 | Tak|work | I agree with Veggen - at least the hassles in unix are consistent ;-) |
| 13:28.33 | mgedmin | sometimes it feels you're dropping them into a big black hole labeled Nokia, but then in a year or two about 25% of them suddenly get fixed in a new OS release |
| 13:29.11 | mgedmin | the built-in browser is based on opera, but you can find a mozilla-based engine for it (called microb) somewhere |
| 13:29.36 | mgedmin | there's also minimo that wasn't fully integrated into the platform UI-wise, last time I saw |
| 13:29.48 | Tak|work | how's microb's resource usage compared to opera? |
| 13:30.08 | sciboy | I'm just looking to use some google apps, although I've seen reports on how that experience has been hit and miss. |
| 13:30.08 | Veggen | mmm. I'm changing to a company where we use almost only open source, around new year. Tho, with OS X on the desktop. |
| 13:30.28 | Veggen | (but they said they'd be ok with me run other things - as long as it wasn't Windows ;) |
| 13:31.01 | Veggen | ...tho, they recently had to give up on the no-windows-policy...sales-persons demanded it. |
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| 13:33.28 | flip^ | windows (sadly) makes the world go round for end-users... it's not gonna be going away any time soon |
| 13:33.53 | Veggen | flip: Oh, sure. But that doesn't mean it has to make the world go round for *every* end-user. |
| 13:34.07 | Tak|work | heh, depends who your end users are |
| 13:34.34 | flip^ | 90% (being honest, probably more than that) of them are windows users, tho you can always find places with other things |
| 13:35.22 | Veggen | well. I have a windows-box. That's used mainly for outlook, because company mail is Exchange. |
| 13:35.43 | Veggen | It goes under the name "the outlook machine", everything productive, I do from my Linux-box :) |
| 13:35.53 | Veggen | (at home, I don't have or need Windows) |
| 13:36.50 | Veggen | and I'll be totally windows-free at my new job. |
| 13:37.03 | Veggen | It'll not be my job to support the desktops of the salesmen. |
| 13:37.14 | Tak|work | flip^: if your end users are home consumers... |
| 13:37.16 | Veggen | (probably will end up being outsourced) |
| 13:37.34 | flip^ | Tak|work: even if not, most of the world is windows - but i realise there are plenty that aren't too ;) |
| 13:37.52 | flip^ | windows has its plus points, though most of them are matters of convenience... i like *easily* being able to reconnect to a graphical session that just runs in the background on my desktop and never breaks... even if i do have linuxy things running in it |
| 13:37.57 | Veggen | flip: Well, my strategy so far has been to ignore Windows. |
| 13:38.39 | Veggen | flip: Has worked for all my professional life (12 years) |
| 13:39.08 | flip^ | looking at my task bar at the moment though, nothing i'm doing couldn't be done on linux - except testing how web content i produce appears in IE as most of the people that will look at it will do so with IE |
| 13:39.27 | flip^ | anyone that does web design can't realistically ignore IE unless they're just being stubborn ;) |
| 13:40.24 | flip^ | and it's quite possible to be stubborn and successful... it has a greater potential of being a limitation at some point though |
| 13:40.30 | Tak|work | luckily, web designers can't ignore FF anymore either |
| 13:40.42 | Veggen | flip: Well. Many people does the mistake of developing for IE, and adjusting for the others. |
| 13:40.55 | sciboy | Tak: I can very well justify ignoring IE though. ;) |
| 13:40.57 | flip^ | Tak|work: if they keep adding more bloat and problems to FF though, it'll die a death like Netscape Navigator do |
| 13:41.11 | flip^ | Veggen: I tend to develop the way I think things will work, and then adjust for both ;) |
| 13:41.16 | Veggen | If you develop for standard, you usually have pretty consistent results between FF, Opera and Safari, possibly with minor corrections. |
| 13:41.22 | Tak|work | you mean like mozilla suite/seamonkey |
| 13:41.29 | Veggen | AND then you only have IE to adjust for. |
| 13:41.36 | flip^ | same is true of IE7 these days - through all its faults, its rendering is pretty decent by standards these days |
| 13:41.52 | Veggen | Do it the other way, and you'll have to adjust much more for FF, much more for Opera and much more for Safari. |
| 13:41.59 | Tak|work | and then there will be another ULTRA-SLIM version of FF to take its place, which will eventually accumulate until it's a gorilla, and the cycle will continue |
| 13:42.47 | sciboy | Why? Most websites don't warrant xhtml? |
| 13:43.03 | sciboy | Which reminds me. |
| 13:43.32 | czr | sciboy, I want funny things. |
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| 13:50.03 | czr | interesting. I can't use g_main_loop_quit from within a LibOSSO async rpc callback? |
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| 13:51.08 | sciboy | Oh speaking of which, what do you recommend for jumping between public wifi access points? I swear I saw a special tool for it. |
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| 13:59.18 | pupnik_ | club those salespeople like baby seals |
| 13:59.23 | Geralt | Hi everyone! Could anyone remind me the link to list of repositiries? |
| 14:00.09 | sciboy | pupnik_, With a sack of kittens? |
| 14:00.30 | solmumaha | repositories? |
| 14:00.30 | _Monkey | rumour has it repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php |
| 14:00.47 | Tak|work | kittens? |
| 14:01.45 | Geralt | Thanx, I meant the last one withsearch! |
| 14:01.53 | Veggen | pupnik: actually, I think head of operations/computer maintenane quit his position over the decicion. |
| 14:01.54 | pupnik_ | .. with a sack of mcse's |
| 14:02.05 | pupnik_ | heh |
| 14:02.08 | Veggen | pupnik: (of allowing Windows). It'd be his responsibility. |
| 14:02.33 | Veggen | pupnik: New one is gonna do the only sane thing: Let it be someone elses problem :) (outsource it :) |
| 14:02.50 | pupnik_ | i had to support a windows company and for most problems people just got their computers wiped and a clean image |
| 14:02.55 | pupnik_ | good |
| 14:03.11 | Veggen | pupnik: this is a pretty small company. So far around 35-40 employees in total. |
| 14:03.24 | Tak|work | pupnik_: that's the only sane solution (other than letting it be SEP, I guess) |
| 14:03.42 | Tak|work | "What's that? Can't get your email? Here, let me ghost your drive for you..." |
| 14:04.16 | pupnik_ | it's also funny how some users manage to consume a vast amount of support time |
| 14:04.38 | pupnik_ | they're usually not dummies either |
| 14:04.59 | pupnik_ | just a little too 'creative' |
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| 14:09.04 | czr | there are good reasons to instititute centralized computer/administration models :-) |
| 14:09.20 | czr | people in those environments don't get too creative. they don't get the chance. |
| 14:10.59 | sciboy | pupnik, I'm one of those creative individual who manages to run into the most obscure bugs. |
| 14:11.04 | sciboy | individuals* |
| 14:21.23 | pupnik | ditto |
| 14:22.01 | pupnik | though linux has been *very* hard to break in the past few years without actively attempting to muck things up |
| 14:26.17 | sciboy | The stuff I run to tends to get fixed quickly most of the time, bad bugs, small fixes. |
| 14:28.03 | Veggen | We're a pretty heavy user on a lot of enterprise-stuff. |
| 14:28.17 | Veggen | IBM Websphere, for example, we're in no way a trivial user of... |
| 14:28.41 | Veggen | you have no idea how many obscure bugs we run into on a lot of the stuff we ron. |
| 14:28.42 | Veggen | run. |
| 14:29.32 | sciboy | I'm a graphics user, I pride myself on using problem solving in my animation, unfortunately that means my techniques are usually things the programmers never prepared for. |
| 14:29.47 | Veggen | It does sort of suck. And I've wished it was open source *many* times :) |
| 14:30.21 | sciboy | When I have a really shitty day, I just think "At least this isn't as bad as Macromedia Flash" |
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| 14:30.26 | sciboy | Adobe* |
| 14:31.26 | sciboy | As already mentioned, my method gets me in a whole lot of shit, and Flash takes the cake for my worst user experience. |
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| 14:31.41 | czr | sciboy, if by flash you mean dynamite, then I agree. |
| 14:32.14 | sciboy | I'm referring to the multimedia platform from Adobe. |
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| 14:44.52 | czr | only nice thing adobe does is type. |
| 14:45.12 | czr | (typography) |
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| 14:55.47 | Sayed | Hello. I have a n770 internet tablet and am trying to do a few things with xterm. First, when I try to mess around with ~/.Xdefaults, no changes are made to xterm. Is there another file that need be editted? (When I say messing around, I mean changing colors, enabling transperency etc. etc.) |
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| 14:58.47 | sciboy | Does the N800 come with a screen protector? |
| 15:00.43 | sciboy | Or am I going to chop up a PSP's before I start smudging the screen? |
| 15:01.02 | |R | it has a plastic thing over for shiping, but it's quite cheap... |
| 15:04.02 | Tak|work | that triggers self-destruct mode |
| 15:04.12 | Tak|work | you have 30s to get away |
| 15:04.54 | |R | haha |
| 15:05.01 | |R | i was going to reply to your email.. |
| 15:05.09 | |R | we're back to black background with only save/load |
| 15:06.18 | |R | (and for some reason i notced to package puts doc in /usr/share/doc and /usr/share/man/man6 ... seems like docpurge doesn't catch that) |
| 15:06.25 | |R | not important but whatever ;) |
| 15:08.24 | Tak|work | ok, willfix |
| 15:08.26 | Sayed | Hello. I have a n770 internet tablet and am trying to do a few things with xterm. First, when I try to mess around with ~/.Xdefaults, no changes are made to xterm. Is there another file that need be editted? (When I say messing around, I mean changing colors, enabling transperency etc. etc.) |
| 15:09.16 | |R | Sayed : what's up with menu -> settings? :) |
| 15:09.36 | |R | geeks have way to complicated habits ;) |
| 15:09.39 | |R | too |
| 15:09.43 | |R | hehe :) |
| 15:11.41 | czr | |R, what, you mean using telnet for web browsing is somehow old-fashioned? |
| 15:11.57 | czr | although I have to confess, it is slightly PITA on the N800. |
| 15:11.58 | mgedmin | Sayed: osso-xterm uses gconf for its config, I think |
| 15:12.09 | czr | indeed it does. |
| 15:12.23 | czr | gconftool-2 -R / | grep xterm |
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| 15:12.33 | czr | or rather pipe to more or less and try to locate the tree |
| 15:12.38 | |R | well are we talking about the nXXX xterm? :P |
| 15:12.43 | czr | then use gconftool-2 --set foo bar. stuff to change the settings |
| 15:12.51 | czr | osso-xterm, right? |
| 15:12.57 | |R | you can configure it from the menu right? :P |
| 15:13.07 | czr | you can change the background color |
| 15:13.14 | |R | hehe, doing some x11 voodoo is a bit overkill ;) |
| 15:13.31 | czr | oh. you can switch both |
| 15:13.39 | czr | I guess it depends which version we're talking about then. |
| 15:13.39 | Sayed | czr: Thanks |
| 15:14.03 | Sayed | oxxo-xterm |
| 15:14.06 | Sayed | osso-xterm* |
| 15:14.19 | czr | Sayed, np, I'm only a noob in supporting this stuff, so I might've been mistaken too. |
| 15:15.22 | Sayed | Heh alright |
| 15:15.38 | |R | just saying because i say people on internettablettalk trying to change the xterm colors through the x11-ressources files wit bla*xterm: black etc |
| 15:15.40 | Sayed | One more thing, I was JUST downloading my mail with claws-mail, and the n770 turned off, now I Can't power it on... |
| 15:15.51 | Tak|work | battery dead? |
| 15:15.59 | Sayed | Nah, I put the charger in, nothing happens. |
| 15:16.03 | flip^ | take the charger out |
| 15:16.06 | flip^ | and hold down the on button |
| 15:16.26 | Sayed | holding... |
| 15:16.45 | flip^ | might be time to remove the battery and put it back on and try again |
| 15:16.52 | Sayed | Alright |
| 15:16.56 | Tak|work | heh, you need to wait for it to charge enough to get the black charging screen before it will boot IME |
| 15:16.59 | mgedmin | Sayed: when the battery is fully empty, you'll have to keep it plugged in in the charger for quite a while before it will power on |
| 15:17.00 | Sayed | In general, is claws-mail a bad idea on the n770? |
| 15:17.14 | mgedmin | dunno, never tried it |
| 15:17.19 | Sayed | I don't think it's drained.. I haven't used it that much.. |
| 15:17.27 | Sayed | And it was 3 bars last night, was on sleep mode all night |
| 15:17.33 | mgedmin | one unpleasant thing about the 770 was that it was always very hard for me to figure out how to turn it on |
| 15:17.48 | mgedmin | you have to keep the power button pressed for maybe 5 seconds before it starts waking up |
| 15:18.08 | mgedmin | the n800 at least shows the blue led to indicate that it's aware of you pressing the power button |
| 15:18.15 | zoran | works for me, 5-6 sec |
| 15:19.35 | Sayed | Foof |
| 15:19.38 | Sayed | Took the battery out |
| 15:19.40 | Sayed | and put it back in |
| 15:19.48 | Sayed | And now when I press power NOKIA screen shows |
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| 15:20.27 | Sayed | Any of you guys browse internettabletforums ? |
| 15:20.39 | Sayed | I mean internattablettalk forums* |
| 15:20.44 | zoran | all do |
| 15:21.21 | czr | not all. |
| 15:21.52 | zoran | :) |
| 15:22.00 | Sayed | Alright, I wrote a guide on applying a minimalist mentality to internet tablets. Actually, just the first part of the guide. Nobody has responded. Is it too unpractical? www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10378 |
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| 15:26.09 | zoran | k, irssi and bitlbee |
| 15:26.22 | Sayed | Yep. |
| 15:26.38 | mgedmin | I doubt the thesis that MOST linux users strive to minimize resource usage |
| 15:26.47 | Sayed | But eventually i'll do links, screen tabs, htop, ncmpc & mpd |
| 15:27.06 | sciboy | I certainly don't, I don't want it to have any noticable interference with the applications I use. |
| 15:27.07 | Tak|work | xchat + bitlbee works equally well |
| 15:27.13 | Tak|work | plus it minimizes typing ;-) |
| 15:27.25 | sixpence | Yeah, but xchat is also a bit of a bloat. |
| 15:27.31 | sixpence | I'm just trying to keep it minimal. |
| 15:27.47 | Tak|work | meh, I don't agree with the mindset that anything gui is "bloat" |
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| 15:28.13 | sixpence | Well, i'm just working for experience. |
| 15:28.29 | sixpence | Compare running irssi and canola and a web browser on the n770, to running pidgin/xchat, canola and a web browser. |
| 15:28.31 | sciboy | With a quad-core bloat is harder to notice. |
| 15:28.39 | sixpence | But we're talking internet-tablets. |
| 15:28.46 | Tak|work | pidgin != xchat |
| 15:29.00 | zoran | people like different things |
| 15:29.06 | sciboy | Just saying, XChat is nice on my PC. |
| 15:29.08 | Tak|work | also, you don't like resource usage, but you're running canola? |
| 15:29.32 | mgedmin | the web browser's resource usage depends A LOT on what you're (or were) doing with it |
| 15:30.04 | mgedmin | it would be interesting to compare memory usage of xchat with the sum of the memory usages of osso-xterm and irssi |
| 15:30.19 | Tak|work | indeed |
| 15:30.28 | sixpence | Tak|work: Well, I also made a post on the forums, to which I had no reply. www.internettablet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10433 |
| 15:30.32 | zoran | irssi is all around on shells |
| 15:30.33 | sciboy | Once I get my N800, I'm going to go through the first-time-firmware-upgrade jitters. |
| 15:30.56 | sciboy | You know, where you triple check you got all the right files and instructions. |
| 15:30.59 | mgedmin | sciboy: if you're getting a new one, chances are it will have the latest firmware |
| 15:31.11 | mgedmin | although maybe not, it if spent some time in a warehouse somewhere |
| 15:31.22 | mgedmin | because a new firmware update just came out last week |
| 15:31.47 | zoran | irc comes hard on 770, even if I like that |
| 15:31.49 | sciboy | mgedmin, I bought it from an Aussie store and I am yet to get an ETA for delivery. |
| 15:32.11 | sixpence | Can anyone reccomend a more light-weight media player for the n770 tablet that can also connect to a media server? Or rather, if I have a .deb installation file for say, ncmpc, or mpg123, how do I install it? |
| 15:32.32 | sciboy | mgedmin, Anyway, I still have to go through the process at some stage, first time flashing on battery always leaves me nervous. |
| 15:33.02 | mgedmin | sciboy: it's scarier once you have actual data on the device and keep wondering whether you made the backup right :-) |
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| 15:33.20 | sciboy | mgedmin, Haven't they made that easier already? |
| 15:33.25 | mgedmin | but not as scary as upgrading the bios on a laptop |
| 15:33.38 | mgedmin | yes, backups are very easy |
| 15:33.42 | Blacksitox | hi |
| 15:33.47 | sixpence | Blacksitox: Heya |
| 15:33.56 | sixpence | Anyone? Reccomendation? |
| 15:34.30 | zoran | media player on 770? |
| 15:34.32 | sciboy | First thing that came to mind is tunnelling the binary data through your optic nerve. |
| 15:34.46 | sciboy | Which makes me realise that it's getting late and I'm becoming delirious |
| 15:35.00 | Blacksitox | hey sixpence |
| 15:35.23 | sciboy | Doing that would give you seizures. |
| 15:36.39 | sixpence | So nobody can reccomend a light weight media player that can connect to a local media server. |
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| 15:37.24 | zoran | I recall some text in linux journal |
| 15:37.36 | zoran | 6-8 months ago |
| 15:37.42 | zoran | just about that |
| 15:37.51 | zoran | no details in my brain |
| 15:38.01 | mgedmin | sixpence: what is a "local media server" ? |
| 15:38.11 | sixpence | mgedmin: Like tversity for example |
| 15:38.17 | mgedmin | ... ookay |
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| 15:38.39 | sixpence | Uh. |
| 15:38.44 | sixpence | Like mpd |
| 15:39.07 | mgedmin | there are clients for mpd |
| 15:39.29 | mgedmin | that run on a n800/770 |
| 15:39.30 | zoran | 770 should run client, media box the server? |
| 15:39.30 | sixpence | But how do I install them on the n770. |
| 15:39.42 | sixpence | zoran: Yes. |
| 15:39.49 | SE-Wilco2 | Is "local media server" for viewing stuff that's on a server on your LAN? |
| 15:40.03 | sixpence | Like for example, I have many linux apps in mind that I would want, and I even have the .deb for them, but no clue how to install them. |
| 15:40.07 | sixpence | SE-Wilco2: Yes. |
| 15:40.09 | zoran | as I said, I had LJ in my hands with text about your question |
| 15:40.24 | sixpence | SE-Wilco2: Like, playing music on a box on my network, from the n770. |
| 15:40.34 | sixpence | Or videos, or viewing questions. |
| 15:40.38 | sixpence | zoran: Any link..? |
| 15:40.55 | zoran | 6 months arased my memory |
| 15:40.59 | zoran | *erased |
| 15:41.01 | mgedmin | hm, http://mmpc.garage.maemo.org/ says there's currently no package for a 770 |
| 15:41.44 | sixpence | hmm. |
| 15:41.56 | sixpence | So it's not possible to instal just any .deb on the 770, even if it's CLI? |
| 15:42.54 | zoran | sixpens, if you have a week or two, for me to find old magazine |
| 15:43.05 | sixpence | zoran: :-P |
| 15:43.11 | Tak|work | ...if it's a cli armel deb for which all the deps are installed... |
| 15:43.41 | sixpence | Yeah =| |
| 15:43.46 | sixpence | So I guess i need to stick with canola. |
| 15:43.56 | zoran | k, found something |
| 15:44.01 | sixpence | I'm jumping all over the place, still trying to figure out a text configuration file for messing with xterm's colors and whatnot. |
| 15:44.27 | zoran | /lj/node/9175/print |
| 15:45.00 | zoran | maybe not what you want |
| 15:45.27 | zoran | take a look at links at the bottom |
| 15:46.05 | sciboy | Oh, about the N800, how do you switch wifi on'n'off, don't need full details just a quick idea. |
| 15:46.38 | Tak|work | power button, set offline/normal mode |
| 15:46.40 | SE-Wilco2 | I see "MediaStreamer" in my N800 Application manager, which sounds streamlike. Other media things too but descriptions like "media player" or "video center" don't help identify features. |
| 15:46.43 | mgedmin | or tap on the globe-with-the-antenna icon |
| 15:47.02 | sciboy | Cool. =) |
| 15:47.49 | SE-Wilco2 | Tak|work: Nice work, quick answer. |
| 15:48.07 | sciboy | Do you recommend getting a second battery? My usage will usually involve flipping through offline documents and images... for 6 hours or more. |
| 15:48.59 | Tak|work | for me, screen is the biggest battery user, followed by wifi |
| 15:49.19 | pupnik | sixpence: just because a program is stored in a .zip doesn't mean it runs on a PC |
| 15:50.26 | pupnik | hmm an external charger with 2nd battery might be a nice christmas present |
| 15:50.28 | sciboy | But what's the chances of it lasting 6 hours with the screen on, wifi off? |
| 15:50.37 | SE-Wilco2 | I think 6 hours is too close to the edge for one charge, even with no WiFi and backlight on low. If you intend to do it often, you're likely to often be near the limit of one battery so a 2nd one seems needed. |
| 15:50.39 | Tak|work | depends on brightness |
| 15:50.41 | pupnik | low brightness i often get 7-9 hours |
| 15:51.21 | sciboy | K, second battery it is then, which phone do I have to pretend to have when I goto the store and the sales person has no idea what an N800 is? |
| 15:51.54 | pupnik | http://www.google.com/search?q=nokia+n770+battery |
| 15:51.57 | pupnik | BP-5l |
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| 15:52.10 | czr | british petrolium, 5 liters. |
| 15:52.21 | czr | don't forget to fire it up well. |
| 15:52.39 | sciboy | They use the same battery from the 770? |
| 15:52.44 | mgedmin | yes |
| 15:52.49 | SE-Wilco2 | eBay search for N800 battery and charger. Anyone know if people are selling low-capacity batteries there or are those similar to stock battery? |
| 15:52.57 | mgedmin | I would wait a month or two before buying a second battery |
| 15:53.02 | mgedmin | see whether you really need it |
| 15:53.21 | mgedmin | I use my n800 for reading e-books, mostly, and the battery is enough for about 6-7 hours of that (wifi off) |
| 15:53.31 | mgedmin | never measured accurately |
| 15:54.24 | zoran | the only helper wold be new screen technology |
| 15:54.29 | sciboy | Me actually using it actively for 6+ hours is unlikely but happens every now and then. |
| 15:54.31 | zoran | *would |
| 15:54.56 | sciboy | Better to understand the risks from a worst case scenario. |
| 15:56.04 | SE-Wilco2 | I saw on /. that someone came up with the idea of putting touchscreen on the bottom of such handheld devices. Good user interface idea; wonder if there's a USB touchpad I could fasten to my N800. |
| 15:58.17 | |R | Tak|work : back to previous version (negative buttons) |
| 15:59.18 | |R | Tak|work : though man6 is gone, /usr/share/doc/fceu is still there :) ... and i've always got this while dpkg -i: ln: /usr/share/man/man1/nes.1.gz: No such file or directory |
| 16:00.16 | Tak|work | ok |
| 16:00.55 | sciboy | SE-Wilco2, http://www.patrickbaudisch.com/projects/soap/index.html |
| 16:01.05 | sciboy | Something you might find interesting. =) |
| 16:01.57 | zoran | pupnik, your links browser diffs from googlepages.com? |
| 16:01.59 | Tak|work | meh, I might be satisfied with the nonpaletted buttons for now |
| 16:02.13 | Tak|work | the erratic display corruption on exit is worrisome, though |
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| 16:03.28 | pupnik | no idea about googlepages zoran |
| 16:03.58 | Tak|work | although I tend to believe it's an Xsp bug and not my fault, given that it's guaranteed to disable doubling (twice now!) on exit |
| 16:04.28 | pupnik | Tak|work: pipeline also had some issues disabling xsp on his quake build - might be related to that |
| 16:04.31 | zoran | pupnik, one in applicationcatalog2006 |
| 16:04.55 | |R | Tak|work : mostly only happen after a sleep anyway |
| 16:05.11 | |R | Tak|work : if you restart it and quit (if you can see your button to do that ;) it goes away |
| 16:05.26 | |R | haha |
| 16:06.09 | pupnik | zoran: that version is non-graphical and has no stylus support |
| 16:06.20 | zoran | seems os |
| 16:06.32 | zoran | *so |
| 16:06.47 | zoran | cookies support? |
| 16:06.52 | pupnik | it won't be too much work to bundle in a keyboard |
| 16:07.23 | Tak|work | pupnik: the function to disable the doubling is certainly being called; n800 just ignores it sometimes, apparently |
| 16:07.35 | pupnik | yes cookies |
| 16:07.47 | zoran | console version have not |
| 16:07.51 | zoran | *has |
| 16:08.09 | sciboy | SE-Wilco2, I love how it's pretty easy to build out of nothing spectular. |
| 16:08.14 | sciboy | spectacular* |
| 16:08.31 | pupnik | try it and let me know how it works for you zoran - |
| 16:09.00 | zoran | not this week |
| 16:09.10 | zoran | but k |
| 16:10.28 | sciboy | Night people. |
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| 16:12.46 | Tak|work | |R: I think I'm going to release vNegativeButtons |
| 16:14.15 | Tak|work | deb's down to 300k with docs stripped |
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| 16:17.16 | pupnik | http://notaz.gp2x.de/gpfce.php Tak|work |
| 16:17.32 | pupnik | ever look at that? |
| 16:19.08 | SE-Wilco2 | sciboy: Yes, I've often used my thumb to control an optical mouse. I just need to pick up a BT mouse; does the N800 recognize BT mice? |
| 16:20.28 | zoran | mouse, keyboard... why not 12.1 lapper? |
| 16:20.57 | Tak|work | lol |
| 16:21.04 | Tak|work | I'm not wasting any more of my time on gp ports |
| 16:21.07 | SE-Wilco2 | What's a 12.1 lapper? A BT pedometer for half-marathons? |
| 16:21.20 | zoran | :) |
| 16:24.14 | SE-Wilco2 | Ah. "Lapping, thinning and polishing of semiconductor substrates"? |
| 16:24.31 | zoran | is there (on the web, somewhere else) any howto, what is safe to remove from the device? langs files etc |
| 16:24.43 | zoran | lapper == notebook |
| 16:24.46 | SE-Wilco2 | Closest thing to that for my N800 is the polishing I do of the touchscreen. |
| 16:26.37 | zoran | I mean, how much space could I get removing all those files, that localize the unit? |
| 16:26.45 | SE-Wilco2 | OK. I haven't noticed a maemo deletion list. |
| 16:27.17 | zoran | I would delete ratherly a lot, but have a heart in my mouth to do so |
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| 16:33.54 | SE-Wilco2 | zoran: Install on flash card, so you can test deletions on flash copy? |
| 16:34.44 | zoran | heh, after I learnt to reflash, I could survive any deletion |
| 16:35.02 | zoran | just my hars turns gray |
| 16:35.08 | zoran | *hair |
| 16:35.54 | zoran | I presume the best way would be to hae a list of files and then point apt-get remove to it |
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| 16:36.43 | SE-Wilco2 | zoran: Yes, please. That way your deletion list is both repeatable and shareable. |
| 16:36.57 | zoran | yap |
| 16:37.27 | czr | err. why? |
| 16:37.38 | zoran | I have time, but no nerves to do it after long week |
| 16:37.52 | czr | zoran, what's the point of deleting the files? |
| 16:37.54 | Tak|work | apt won't remove individual files... |
| 16:37.56 | SE-Wilco2 | Can you feed apt-get remove both names of packages and names of files? |
| 16:38.02 | zoran | 770 is tight on memory |
| 16:38.12 | czr | use an memory card? |
| 16:38.17 | zoran | and I do believe so |
| 16:38.30 | zoran | I have it and all works fine with no swap on |
| 16:38.42 | SE-Wilco2 | I think apt is likely to complain about deleting files which belong to other packages. |
| 16:38.44 | zoran | but... devil never sleeps |
| 16:39.22 | zoran | ah, you could be right |
| 16:39.24 | SE-Wilco2 | Maybe the first file to delete is the apt database :-) |
| 16:39.48 | t_s_o | hmm, i think i need to get in touch with expansys about my 770 again. its been about a week now... |
| 16:39.49 | zoran | I'm surprised netbsd did not taka a chance to make a port |
| 16:40.53 | zoran | bunnies? |
| 16:42.38 | zoran | I must say that I have no idea what is the purpose of a lot of binary files on 770 |
| 16:43.03 | zoran | all those osso, hildon... |
| 16:43.32 | zoran | they are maemo specific and nomenclature fails for my little mind |
| 16:43.48 | Tak|work | you probably want to keep it if it has osso or hildon in the filename... |
| 16:44.01 | zoran | must be |
| 16:44.19 | zoran | but I never user mail client or rss client or... |
| 16:44.26 | zoran | I use mutt and rawdog |
| 16:45.00 | zoran | and I don't listen to the music on 770, so sound is off there |
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| 16:45.31 | zoran | I would liek to remove those apps and have some of the kind I like |
| 16:45.46 | zoran | aladin around? |
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| 16:48.23 | SE-Wilco2 | Hmm. My N800 charger emits 890 mA at 5V = 4450W. A Windbelt 40mW... i'd need about 10,000 Windbelts on my backpack to charge my N800. Yup, that's only usable for LED lighting tasks. |
| 16:49.51 | t_s_o | err? |
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| 16:51.48 | zoran | how n800 wifi behaves, when leaving home net and going along different ap's? |
| 16:51.49 | zoran | does it try to connect them? |
| 16:52.21 | Tak|work | omfg - does HildonNumberEditor really not have an event for value change? |
| 16:52.59 | mgedmin | doesn't it inherit one from whatever gtk widget it subclasses? |
| 16:53.19 | Tak|work | heh, it's a direct subclass of GtkContainer |
| 16:53.20 | mgedmin | zoran: you get a popup dialog with a list of access points |
| 16:53.21 | t_s_o | SE-Wilco2: would that not be more like 4.45W? |
| 16:53.23 | SE-Wilco2 | zoran: I think you have to click to choose a new AP if you haven't connected to it before. And if screen is asleep it won't ask, so won't connect. |
| 16:53.24 | Tak|work | at least, according to the api doc |
| 16:53.38 | mgedmin | zoran: the n800 will never connect to an unknown network without asking you first |
| 16:54.07 | zoran | k, I always asked that myself; I liek the way 770 does the thing |
| 16:54.15 | suihkulokki | well, if you save a network called say "default" or "d-link", the n800 will connect to random networks.. |
| 16:54.21 | SE-Wilco2 | t_s_o: Right. mA, not A. oops. So only about 100 40mW generators needed. |
| 16:54.29 | mgedmin | suihkulokki: I think it remembers the access point's MAC |
| 16:54.34 | SE-Wilco2 | s/100/10/ |
| 16:54.45 | mgedmin | but I haven't actually tested that assumption |
| 16:55.21 | mgedmin | infobot: 4450/40 is closer to 111 than to 10 |
| 16:55.21 | infobot | okay, mgedmin |
| 16:56.13 | mgedmin | mmm, dragons |
| 16:57.24 | t_s_o | hey, even the mythbusters gets their desimals wrong, so... |
| 16:58.07 | SE-Wilco2 | Right. 111. So if I cover a cabin with 40 mW generators I might be able to charge my N800. |
| 17:03.03 | SE-Wilco2 | I think that's how Dinty Moore's grandpappy got started in the business. |
| 17:07.11 | SE-Wilco2 | I'm using Google Earth a lot. Is maemo using X11, so I could use a remote client window? |
| 17:07.31 | Tak|work | yes |
| 17:07.38 | mgedmin | and no |
| 17:07.57 | mgedmin | well, and yes, I suppose |
| 17:08.01 | mgedmin | but I haven't figured out how |
| 17:08.16 | mgedmin | there's no xauth on the device, so ssh x forwarding doesn't work very well |
| 17:08.33 | mgedmin | wait... I always tried to open maemo windows on my laptop, not the other way around |
| 17:12.25 | SE-Wilco2 | Hmm. "configure --without-xauth as Maemo xserver doesnt require authentication" So xserver won't try to authenticate, thus the client can't start the protocol? Or could the client trust the maemo server? |
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| 17:21.23 | mgedmin | hmm |
| 17:21.33 | mgedmin | maemo's x server doesn't listen for TCP connections |
| 17:21.42 | mgedmin | so it's safe |
| 17:22.06 | mgedmin | only local processes can connect |
| 17:23.05 | mgedmin | and probably if you use osso-xterm to ssh -X somewhere else, you ought to be able to start X apps and have them appear on the n800's tiny screen |
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| 17:28.35 | pupnik | hahaha Scott Horton rocks |
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| 17:38.20 | SE-Wilco2 | OK, so ssh -X might work. I'll try it when I'm near a Linux box. |
| 18:02.16 | pupnik | Iyeeeeeeeee!!! A segmentation fault has occurred. Have a fluffy day. |
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| 18:07.11 | pupnik | does the new hildon inputmethod framework mean we can hack it to send generic X input to apps? |
| 18:07.19 | pupnik | *open-sourcing of |
| 18:07.54 | Iva1 | Hi guys! How to get dictionaries for white stork? |
| 18:08.07 | pupnik | what is white stork? |
| 18:08.17 | Tak|work | translation app iirc |
| 18:08.34 | Iva1 | A linux dictionary tool. |
| 18:09.45 | pupnik | clickoing on fceu ultra in maemo.org downloads (with a 770) gives me fceu_0.98.12-bora1.install |
| 18:09.48 | SE-Wilco2 | pupnik: You mean like direct barcode scanner text as if it was typed in? That would be handy, so I'm watching for an answer too. |
| 18:10.26 | Tak|work | ok, but what deb do you get? |
| 18:10.34 | Tak|work | the install file references multiple repos |
| 18:10.47 | pupnik | ok |
| 18:11.20 | Tak|work | you should get -6 with os2006, or -bora3 with 2007HE |
| 18:12.10 | pupnik | Install? fceu 0.98.12-7 :) |
| 18:12.13 | pupnik | good deal |
| 18:12.29 | Tak|work | hmm, or -7 I guess |
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| 18:14.17 | pupnik | heh i get segfault when i build it, but yours works |
| 18:15.21 | Tak|work | huzzah! |
| 18:15.47 | Tak|work | I wonder why |
| 18:16.31 | Tak|work | my libglade-d xmaeme is about ready for release as well |
| 18:17.38 | pupnik | nm, it's because i'm an eediot |
| 18:20.29 | pupnik | when i builded fceu i got 885900 bytes stripped fceu bin (gregale) |
| 18:21.01 | pupnik | yours is 724220 |
| 18:21.19 | pupnik | CFLAGS = -mcpu=arm926ej-s -fomit-frame-pointer |
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| 18:21.53 | pupnik | Tak|work: any further CFLAGS i should be using? -O? |
| 18:23.21 | zuh | -OMG |
| 18:24.34 | pupnik | my build is like 4x slower |
| 18:24.52 | pupnik | sound doesn't work |
| 18:25.25 | pupnik | onscreenbuttons don't work |
| 18:26.53 | pupnik | j'accuse tak of not upping the sources he used to garage |
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| 18:32.42 | pupnik | aha i am getting default xscale,yscale=2 |
| 18:32.53 | Tak|work | the flags I'm using are in configure.in |
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| 18:33.16 | Tak|work | and the configure flags are in debian/rules |
| 18:33.31 | Tak|work | basically you want to run ./configure --with-xsp --with-esd |
| 18:33.44 | Tak|work | and that will set your CFLAGS correctly |
| 18:33.55 | pupnik | mkay thank-ye |
| 18:35.17 | pupnik | --with-esd breaks compile, --with-xsp works |
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| 18:35.35 | Tak|work | breaks compile? how so? |
| 18:35.48 | pupnik | drivers/sexyal/sexyal.o: In function `CanWrite':sexyal.c:(.text+0x48): undefined reference to `SexyALI_OSS_RawCanWrite' |
| 18:35.57 | pupnik | and three more errors in SexyALI_OSS |
| 18:35.58 | Tak|work | make clean all ? |
| 18:36.09 | pupnik | ah ok |
| 18:36.26 | pupnik | ty |
| 18:39.13 | pupnik | yeey works fine |
| 18:40.06 | Tak|work | you going to do some fceu hacking? |
| 18:40.34 | pupnik | snuffling would be a better word |
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| 18:41.45 | Tak|work | aww :-P |
| 18:44.09 | Tak|work | anybody want to test shiny new xmaeme? |
| 18:44.14 | pupnik | i built gpfce and am swapping-in .o files before linking |
| 18:44.45 | Tak|work | heh - sounds like a recipe for disaster |
| 18:44.50 | pupnik | yep |
| 18:44.52 | Tak|work | but hooray if it works :-) |
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| 18:48.12 | pupnik | actually runs with the gpfce ncpu.o and ppu098.o |
| 18:49.53 | Tak|work | any performance improvement? |
| 18:52.25 | pupnik | will get back to you on that |
| 18:53.05 | Tak|work | that sounds like a "no" :-P |
| 18:53.31 | pupnik | looking for showFPS enable |
| 18:54.02 | pupnik | is it a cmdline switch? |
| 18:56.08 | pupnik | 31-32 fps zelda intro |
| 18:56.32 | pupnik | 34 |
| 18:57.26 | pupnik | define ShowFPS in src/video.c |
| 18:57.33 | pupnik | btw wb ssvb |
| 18:58.08 | sp3000 | mmph ff fvbmb |
| 18:58.20 | sp3000 | :) |
| 19:01.53 | pupnik | no no speed diff. |
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| 19:02.52 | pupnik | wait started wrong file |
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| 19:30.39 | flip^ | well, it could probably do with that kind of wipe too |
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| 20:03.28 | sixpence | Is there a more leight weight media player for the n770 that can connect to a shared internet stream on the network like Canola does? |
| 20:03.40 | sixpence | light* |
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| 20:10.38 | SE-Wilco2 | There are a number of radio stations streaming in web windows. How does "Stream the world" emit sound? |
| 20:11.58 | SE-Wilco2 | The web streaming is probably not a shared stream, but an individual IP stream. |
| 20:22.28 | Tak|work | pupnik: so...is there a verdict? |
| 20:22.36 | Tak|work | sixpence: have you tried glurp? |
| 20:24.13 | pupnik | only thing i found so far is that changing sound rate and buffers in drivers/esd.c has no effect on sound stuttering |
| 20:24.25 | pupnik | and integrating the 6502 asm core requires real work |
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| 20:24.48 | pupnik | and no, no fps changes |
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| 20:25.13 | pupnik | anyway the sound blerpyness is upstream from the sdl/esd/sexyal stuff |
| 20:25.44 | Tak|work | oh yes, yes it is |
| 20:25.56 | Tak|work | I could have told you not to waste your time messing with the esd driver |
| 20:26.06 | pupnik | i think you did a few months ago |
| 20:26.15 | Tak|work | I spent several days doing nothing but trying to tweak params |
| 20:26.54 | Tak|work | I'm convinced that the only thing that will fix the sound on 770, short of arm-asm core, is a dsp task for the sound emulation |
| 20:27.14 | Tak|work | not the output driver, but the generation of the output, seems to be the real bottleneck |
| 20:27.26 | pupnik | yea |
| 20:28.38 | Tak|work | it seems to take equivalent (or maybe more(!)) time to generate 1/30s of audio as to generate 1/30s of video |
| 20:29.10 | Tak|work | if only our ears were as easily fooled as our eyes; we could knock the sample rate down to 30Hz ;-) |
| 20:30.38 | pupnik | hehe |
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| 20:32.53 | pupnik | this is just bugging the heck out of me |
| 20:34.51 | Tak|work | are you running from CLI or xmaeme? |
| 20:34.56 | pupnik | dcli |
| 20:34.58 | pupnik | cli |
| 20:35.22 | Tak|work | using the -nothrottle flag? |
| 20:35.39 | pupnik | just tried with nothrottle - looked about the same actually |
| 20:36.14 | Tak|work | ah - I notice a moderate increase in sound quality with -nothrottle |
| 20:36.27 | Tak|work | but I suspect it's highly dependent on current tablet load, etc |
| 20:48.24 | pupnik | FlushEmulateSound in sound.c returns the primary buffer size - tweaking that changes the length of the blerps |
| 20:48.42 | pupnik | i.e. return(end) -> return(end*2) |
| 20:49.10 | pupnik | what controls the actual frequency of the sound emulation though? |
| 20:49.40 | Tak|work | the rate is set in the sound driver |
| 20:50.38 | Tak|work | iirc I have it hardcoded to something insanely low |
| 21:02.28 | SE-Wilco2 | Tak|work: I suppose the bandwidth would allow streaming 1/30 sec of sound data on the video screen, but you'd need a camera feeding a speaker to use the data. |
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| 21:05.08 | SE-Wilco2 | Can you dump the sound data to a file or RAM buffer? That would let you time the data rate at that measurement point. |
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| 21:07.35 | SE-Wilco2 | Is the sound driver keeping the CPU, so the app can't buffer up more data until the sound driver uses it all up? |
| 21:07.39 | pupnik | bizarre - when i disable sound i get 12 fps, and with sound i get like 32 |
| 21:08.34 | pupnik | um SE-Wilco2 it's hard to answer those questions |
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| 21:09.53 | pupnik | one explanation i've read online is that sdl has problems with emulators and sound |
| 21:10.19 | pupnik | and i could only paste the link, don't want to offer a poor recap of it |
| 21:10.36 | SE-Wilco2 | I know. I've done some dev driver programming. I haven't looked at this code for a while, though, so I'm mentioning some interactions which might be there. |
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| 21:14.07 | hieppo | newbie here can someone help me display the turn-off button in 2007he |
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| 21:15.40 | hieppo | anyone??? |
| 21:17.00 | pupnik | system("shutdown -h now") ? :) |
| 21:17.04 | ||cw | don't you just push the power button? |
| 21:17.06 | SE-Wilco2 | I don't know what 2007he is. I just hold down the recessed power button on the top of my N800 for a couple of seconds to get the off selection window. |
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| 21:20.45 | hieppo | yes the power button is there but I thought you can have a software button as well |
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| 21:34.12 | Esworp | would anyone care to reccomend a good case for the n800? |
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| 22:53.40 | esworp | has anyone here used pan on the n800? |
| 22:54.29 | esworp | i get a hang when trying to get a group list |
| 22:56.57 | pupnik | anybody feel like working on gp2x fceu -> nokia port with me? :/ |
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| 23:28.05 | bobbyw | hello |
| 23:29.47 | pupnik | greetings |
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| 23:31.20 | bobbyw | I just got my first tablet yesterday, just checking everything out |
| 23:31.41 | bobbyw | seems to be a rather large community of educated people with these babies |
| 23:31.45 | pupnik | congratulations! |
| 23:32.05 | bobbyw | I bought it thinking I was going to be able to play mp3's with it, and that would be the coolest thing about it |
| 23:32.10 | bobbyw | little did I know, it runs linux |
| 23:34.28 | bobbyw | does anyone here know how to move around the apps in the "start" menu, I installed like 10 things to extras without thinking |
| 23:34.43 | bobbyw | now I want to move them and I don't feel like uninstalling and reinstalling 10 apps for that purpose |
| 23:34.44 | pupnik | yeah |
| 23:35.41 | pupnik | go to tools - control panel |
| 23:35.55 | pupnik | then click task navigator, then click "Organize" next to applications |
| 23:38.40 | bobbyw | I do not see task navigator in control panel |
| 23:39.03 | bobbyw | that couldn't be a third party app? |
| 23:39.18 | bobbyw | or maybe I need to update this, I haven't updated any of the software yet |
| 23:40.46 | bobbyw | hmm |
| 23:40.49 | bobbyw | I can't be this nub |
| 23:40.53 | bobbyw | but it's just not there |
| 23:42.56 | pupnik | mm |
| 23:43.09 | bobbyw | yeah, I dunno |
| 23:43.11 | pupnik | you have what - n770 or n800 |
| 23:43.14 | bobbyw | I'm on an N800 |
| 23:43.47 | pupnik | sorry i have 770 |
| 23:44.10 | bobbyw | alright |
| 23:44.17 | bobbyw | thanks anyway |
| 23:45.11 | bobbyw | if anyone else knows the answer to this, or how I can chat with VIDEO to others users who do NOT have an n800, I would really appreciate it |
| 23:45.16 | zerojay | bobby, Tools -> Control Panel -> Navigation. |
| 23:46.22 | pupnik | `FSettings' undeclared (first use in this function) grr |
| 23:46.52 | *** join/#maemo Blacksitox (n=gentoo-D@unaffiliated/blacksito) |
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| 23:47.31 | Blacksitox | hi |
| 23:47.31 | _Monkey | what's up, Blacksitox |
| 23:48.28 | bobbyw | thank you |
| 23:48.31 | bobbyw | very much |
| 23:48.36 | bobbyw | much easier to navigate now |
| 23:53.18 | bobbyw | man, with a bluetooth keyboard and a few weeks of getting used to this thing, I think I could sell my computer |
| 23:53.32 | bobbyw | the bluetooth keyboard already made it 100x times |
| 23:53.38 | bobbyw | lksadlkd 100x better |
| 23:53.54 | bobbyw | except when I type like an idiot |
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| 23:56.46 | esworp | anyone up for a few minutes of more new-guy stupidity? |
| 23:56.54 | pupnik | shoot |
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| 23:57.22 | esworp | well, what are some of the 'must have applications i might wanna look into? |