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| 00:07.11 | pupnik | didn't know the sega master system was so much better than the NES |
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| 00:18.47 | pupnik | darn emus need a high resolution timer |
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| 00:26.00 | pupnik | #define rdtsc(val) __asm__ __volatile__ ("rdtsc" : "=A" (val)) |
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| 00:37.32 | Tb0n3 | oh shit, just watched a samurai cut an arrow in half, midflight when aimed at his heart |
| 00:42.09 | madewokherd` | can anyone recommend a client for the n770? (or am I in the wrong place for this?) |
| 00:42.13 | madewokherd` | er, irc client |
| 00:42.21 | pupnik | xchat, gaim, irssi |
| 00:42.31 | madewokherd` | I'm told xchat doesn't work |
| 00:42.49 | pupnik | worked for me... but i use bluetooth keyboard |
| 00:43.47 | gla55 | i had hard time at some point finding a deb for it for then current it.. but that was ages ago |
| 00:46.36 | |R | http://pidgin.garage.maemo.org/ |
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| 00:53.31 | pupnik | hmm looks like gettimeofday might be close enough for jazz |
| 00:53.40 | pupnik | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/osdep/timer-lx.c?root=mplayer&rev=82&view=markup |
| 00:59.55 | Tb0n3 | I don't know how to use vi |
| 00:59.56 | Tb0n3 | :( |
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| 01:02.25 | [31d1] | _Monkey: vi? |
| 01:02.26 | _Monkey | vi is scarry to me |
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| 01:38.54 | Tb0n3 | god damn |
| 01:39.09 | Tb0n3 | firefox is being faggoty |
| 01:39.20 | Tb0n3 | also ubuntu |
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| 01:42.40 | |R | does anyone know if the blueZ audio support added in chinook (4.0) means that we can have bluetooth headsets? |
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| 01:48.07 | pupnik | seems some people were working on that |
| 01:50.54 | zerojay | Apparently, a freshly compiled version of Bluez would give you that *right now*. |
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| 02:42.00 | |R | argh wtf, rebooted and now wifi is dead |
| 02:43.11 | |R | (after kismet crashed and i rebooted) |
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| 02:50.40 | |R | ah fiew, removing the battery worked |
| 02:50.43 | |R | wifi is back ;) |
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| 03:29.37 | |R | http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/reviews/article.php/3664466 <- is the guy saying that bluetooth headsets work? |
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| 05:47.13 | czr | mornink |
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| 06:08.32 | |R | czr : mornin' :) |
| 06:08.49 | |R | but good night for me ;) |
| 06:12.08 | czr | night |R |
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| 07:39.08 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 08:46.57 | AD-N770 | good morning |
| 08:49.17 | felipec | morning AD-N770 |
| 08:59.59 | AD-N770 | buenos dias felipec |
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| 09:39.11 | velco | hi |
| 09:39.23 | velco | where does one get libcairo2-dev for maemo ? |
| 09:39.45 | velco | or just compile mainstream cairo ? |
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| 09:51.41 | alterego | Lalalala |
| 10:01.13 | pupnik_ | hi velco, isn't cairo kind of heavy? |
| 10:01.32 | pupnik_ | hmm i see it |
| 10:01.42 | pupnik_ | /usr/lib/libcairo.so.2.11.4 |
| 10:01.46 | pupnik_ | repositories? |
| 10:01.47 | _Monkey | repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php |
| 10:01.52 | pupnik_ | velco: search there |
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| 10:05.36 | velco | thanks |
| 10:05.44 | velco | didn't know about the index :) |
| 10:07.55 | velco | oh, and I didn't setup the extras in this target, only on the other :( |
| 10:08.00 | velco | thanks |
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| 10:49.30 | SLi | Hi. Wondering if something's wrong with my SDK setup or with libcurl, as I get... |
| 10:49.38 | SLi | > pkg-config --libs libcurl |
| 10:49.39 | SLi | -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/scratchbox/host_shared/lib/ -Wl,/scratchbox/tools/lib/ -Wl,/scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/lib/ -L/scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/lib -lcurl |
| 10:50.22 | SLi | But at least for me, -rpath seems to take only one argument and needs to be repeated, like -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/scratchbox/host_shared/lib/ -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/scratchbox/tools/lib/ ... |
| 10:50.48 | jumpula | SLi: sb-conf sh |
| 10:51.07 | SLi | Compiler: cs2005q3.2-glibc-i386 |
| 10:51.07 | SLi | Devkits: perl debian-sarge maemo3-tools doctools maemo3-debian |
| 10:51.07 | SLi | CPU-transparency: none |
| 10:51.31 | jumpula | dpkg -l scratchbox-devkit-maemo3 |
| 10:51.38 | jumpula | (outside sbox) |
| 10:52.17 | SLi | I installed scratchbox from the .tar.gz's... |
| 10:52.47 | jumpula | less /scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/ChangeLog |
| 10:53.13 | jumpula | the information i need is the version number of maemo3 devkit |
| 10:53.25 | SLi | The latest entry is |
| 10:53.25 | SLi | Thu Jun 7 01:16:44 EEST 2007 Jussi Hakala <jussi.hakala@movial.fi> tagged sb-maemo3-devkit_1.0 |
| 10:53.57 | SLi | So I assume 1.0 :) |
| 10:54.02 | jumpula | yeah |
| 10:54.08 | jumpula | just as i thought |
| 10:54.13 | SLi | Old? |
| 10:54.18 | jumpula | yup |
| 10:54.27 | jumpula | but you can fix the problem manually |
| 10:54.28 | SLi | Ah. |
| 10:54.36 | jumpula | at least the one you're having now :) |
| 10:54.47 | jumpula | cd /scratchbox/devkits/maemo3/lib |
| 10:54.54 | jumpula | ls *.la |
| 10:55.11 | SLi | I see. I guess there's no clean way to update sb-maemo3-devkit without using the .debs? |
| 10:55.28 | jumpula | move those files somewhere else (as root) and try again the pkg-confing from inside the scratchbox |
| 10:55.36 | jumpula | *pkg-config |
| 10:55.59 | jumpula | the easiest way is to install stuff from debs, so you can update them more easily |
| 10:56.04 | SLi | I just didn't like the .debs installing it to /scratchbox, but I guess I could tolerate it now that I understand better what kind of system scratchbox is. |
| 10:56.18 | jumpula | or, you can just delete the old devkit and extract the new version to replace it |
| 10:56.55 | jumpula | in the devkit tarball, there are only maemo3 prefixed directories under /scratchbox/devkits |
| 10:56.56 | SLi | Hmm, I guess I'll try that. |
| 10:57.01 | SLi | Ok, that's nice. Thanks. |
| 10:57.31 | jumpula | but for example for toolchains, you need to update stuff from device_tools as well as the compilers dir |
| 10:58.24 | SLi | Hmm hm. I guess I'll just reinstall from .debs. |
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| 11:00.50 | jumpula | tar t -f devkit-tarball.tar.gz |
| 11:01.06 | jumpula | that way you see what needs to be updated |
| 11:01.20 | dpb_ | t -f? |
| 11:01.25 | jumpula | yup |
| 11:01.30 | SLi | Yeah. |
| 11:01.42 | dpb_ | just use "tar tf" like normal people.. :p |
| 11:01.57 | SLi | I still guess it's easiest considering future updates to reinstall from the debs. :) |
| 11:01.59 | jumpula | i'm not normal :) |
| 11:02.04 | dpb_ | I know :) |
| 11:02.07 | jumpula | x) |
| 11:02.31 | jumpula | SLi: depends if you want to avoid work now just to face it again in the future :) |
| 11:02.46 | SLi | Yep. |
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| 11:05.11 | SLi | It isn't possible to develop for current N800 (with OS 2007) with Chinook beta, right? |
| 11:06.21 | lardman | anyone happen to remember what version of gcc will chinook use? |
| 11:08.22 | lardman | 3.4.4 |
| 11:08.51 | alterego | SLi, sure you can. |
| 11:09.11 | alterego | You can install chinook on the device. |
| 11:09.37 | alterego | Don't know how though, as far as I know it's a bit tricky. |
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| 11:10.08 | lac_ | hi |
| 11:10.37 | SLi | alterego, ok. But anyway so I've understood correctly it's something that will eventually become OS 2008 or something. |
| 11:11.51 | alterego | Yes, development in chinook is for the next IT OS release. |
| 11:12.07 | alterego | Whether that's 2008 I don't know. |
| 11:12.14 | alterego | I'd imagine so. |
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| 11:13.29 | lac_ | I have a question about tap_and_hold. I have an applet, with CSM menu added by gtk_tap_and_hold_setup, for the whole frame. I want to block the menu on particural regions of the frame (especially scrollbars). How can I do that? |
| 11:15.34 | alterego | Hmmm .. Starting to get hungry now. |
| 11:15.44 | alterego | Wonder what I should have for Brunch |
| 11:16.08 | solmumaha | alterego: first the release |
| 11:16.14 | alterego | :P |
| 11:16.27 | alterego | I'm having some issues at the moment. |
| 11:16.43 | alterego | I think treeview is broken. :/ |
| 11:19.30 | alterego | For some reason it's not showing the little arrows. |
| 11:19.32 | alterego | Ever :( |
| 11:21.19 | solmumaha | that's all? |
| 11:21.37 | alterego | Yes, |
| 11:22.00 | alterego | I personally think it's a big deal :P |
| 11:23.26 | alterego | Maybe I'm just stalling to annoy you :P |
| 11:24.17 | solmumaha | not that easy |
| 11:26.03 | solmumaha | missing xmms2 bindings, now that's annoying ;) |
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| 11:36.25 | SLi | BTW in case someone's interested, I have a (at least so far) working scratchbox+nokia sdk environment on amd64, I just had to hack the installer script to not test for ia32 (that broke it even in an ia32 chroot). I installed the environment in an ia32 chroot, but cd'ing to it and running ./login works just fine even outside the ia32 chroot. |
| 11:39.06 | SLi | I guess it _might_ work even without an ia32 chroot when installed from the tarballs or with dpkg --force-architecture. |
| 11:44.17 | alterego | That's very promising SLi |
| 11:44.35 | alterego | Good to know :) |
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| 12:02.31 | Jaffa | SLi: I don't have a ia32 chroot, but sounds cool |
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| 12:11.23 | alterego | You shouldn't need a chroot. |
| 12:11.32 | alterego | scratchbox itself is a chroot. |
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| 12:22.38 | cosmo | is there somewhere documentation what is missing from flash image built with SDK versus released flash images? |
| 12:23.48 | alterego | Genereally, the documentation that is missing is an indication of what's missing in the SDK as opposed to the official IT OS releases ;) |
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| 13:06.34 | Blacksito | buenos dias |
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| 13:14.41 | cosmo | hmm... could someone test what does this outputs in scratchbox? /usr/bin/curl-config --libs |
| 13:15.34 | Dawnmist | -L/usr/lib -lcurl -lssl -lcrypto -ldl -lssl -lcrypto -ldl -lz |
| 13:16.38 | cosmo | on 3.2? |
| 13:16.46 | Dawnmist | Yep |
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| 13:17.08 | cosmo | did you install with nokia shell scripts or manually? |
| 13:17.28 | Dawnmist | nokia shell scripts |
| 13:17.36 | cosmo | weird. so did i. |
| 13:17.40 | Dawnmist | but haven't updated in the last week either. |
| 13:17.47 | cosmo | and mine outputs -L/scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/lib -lcurl -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/scratchbox/host_shared/lib/ -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/scratchbox/tools/lib/ -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/lib/ -L/scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/lib -lidn -lssl -lcrypto -ldl -lssl -lcrypto -ldl -lz |
| 13:18.03 | seg | that what I get too |
| 13:18.07 | cosmo | ..and these options don't work when compiling anything |
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| 13:18.44 | Dawnmist | you logged in? seems strange to get the /scratchbox directories (not that I know much about scratchbox/maemo) |
| 13:19.01 | cosmo | check out that /usr/bin/curl-config script.. it should output the shorter options |
| 13:19.17 | cosmo | yep, that's inside scratchbox |
| 13:19.32 | pupnik | greetings Dawnmist |
| 13:20.14 | cosmo | really weird problem, i have no clue what might cause this |
| 13:24.25 | seg | which curl-config returns /scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/bin/curl-config |
| 13:24.34 | seg | but still strange |
| 13:26.27 | cosmo | yep. and compilation of app that uses autotools fails because curl build test fails on configure |
| 13:27.22 | seg | the configure script calls /usr/bin/curl-config or just curl-config ? |
| 13:29.57 | pupnik | i had to beat curl into rubble a while back and just use a part of it |
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| 13:31.48 | cosmo | config.log says ac_cv_path__libcurl_config=/scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/bin/curl-config |
| 13:34.25 | seg | that one is hard-coded to return the long list - but why /usr/bin/curl-config also does that is weird |
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| 13:36.21 | jumpula | seg: old version of maemo3 devkit |
| 13:37.55 | seg | jumpula: ok - can I update my scratchbox with the new devkit , or is it better to install from scratch? |
| 13:38.59 | jumpula | seg: a moment, i'll verify few things first |
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| 13:40.00 | jumpula | seg: installed from the tarballs or debs? |
| 13:40.44 | jumpula | upgrading won't actually help |
| 13:40.46 | jumpula | :) |
| 13:41.04 | jumpula | the host-side curl-config is invoked when maemo3-tools is selected |
| 13:41.11 | cosmo | i installed from tarballs |
| 13:41.21 | jumpula | meaning that configure scripts detect the host stuff |
| 13:41.24 | jumpula | which is bad |
| 13:41.32 | seg | I installed from debs |
| 13:41.53 | cosmo | is there a way to check devkit's version? |
| 13:41.57 | jumpula | you can circumvent this with SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/curl-config /usr/bin/curl-config --libs |
| 13:42.12 | jumpula | dpkg -l scratchbox-devkit-maemo3 |
| 13:42.22 | jumpula | or less /scratchbox/devkits/maemo3/ChangeLog |
| 13:43.17 | jumpula | 3 hours ago we were talking about this :) |
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| 13:43.28 | jumpula | SLi: ping |
| 13:43.44 | jumpula | SLi: see my line about the SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE |
| 13:44.10 | jumpula | anyway, maemo3 devkit 1.0 has some conflicting la files that may crash builds |
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| 13:44.16 | jumpula | this has been fixed in 1.0.1 |
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| 13:44.48 | jumpula | although the problem you're all having is with redirection |
| 13:48.12 | flip^ | hmm, i need a home applet that shows my IP address |
| 13:48.50 | cosmo | No packages found matching scratchbox-devkit-maemo3. |
| 13:49.30 | cosmo | ah, outside sb |
| 13:49.35 | jumpula | yeah |
| 13:49.47 | jumpula | no scratchboxes inside scratchbox :) |
| 13:50.39 | cosmo | i've got latest (1.0.1) |
| 13:50.43 | SLi | jumpula, ok, thanks. I already reinstalled from up-to-date debs, though. :) |
| 13:51.18 | jumpula | no harm in that, the problem with 1.0 is quite serious :) |
| 13:52.20 | seg | got to go - happy hunting - will check the logs later |
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| 14:01.45 | cosmo | hm, any ideas how to work around this problem? even aliasing the devkit curl-config doesn't seem to satisfy configure |
| 14:02.03 | cosmo | alias /scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/bin/curl-config='SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/curl-config /usr/bin/curl-config' |
| 14:02.06 | cosmo | alias curl-config='SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/curl-config /usr/bin/curl-config' |
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| 14:03.13 | jumpula | ./configure SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/curl-config CURL-CONFIG=/usr/bin/curl-config |
| 14:03.34 | Esworp | Newb question; in the mail app, is there a way to mark multiple messsages 'as read' at once? |
| 14:03.35 | jumpula | not sure about the CURL-CONFIG= part, see if ./configure --help can verify that |
| 14:05.04 | cosmo | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:05.28 | cosmo | but no mention of CURL-CONFIG |
| 14:06.54 | jumpula | --with-libcurl=/usr |
| 14:07.51 | jumpula | usually, for example, perl path can be specified with PERL=/path/to/perl for configure, even though ./configure --help doesn't say so |
| 14:09.04 | jumpula | --with-curl-config=/usr/bin/curl-config perhaps? |
| 14:09.19 | jumpula | or just /usr |
| 14:09.47 | jumpula | depending if it tries to give the bin part itself or requiring a path directly to binary |
| 14:11.35 | jumpula | if all else fails, turn maemo3-tools temporarily off for the target or remove it from the PATH |
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| 14:12.15 | jumpula | when the redirection rule is in place and the PATH contains only target's version of curl-config, you should be fine |
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| 14:16.34 | cosmo | hm, i think i got it working |
| 14:16.41 | cosmo | thanks! |
| 14:17.06 | SLi | Should osso_iap_connect() make the callback sometime in SDK too? |
| 14:17.09 | cosmo | i hope they fix this issue soon.. it's always a bit annoying to add workarounds in your scripts |
| 14:17.22 | pupnik | lardman: what info will be released then? |
| 14:17.29 | pupnik | chipset? photos? |
| 14:17.43 | pupnik | or just radio/wifi/bt |
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| 14:21.16 | pupnik | Geek Humour (sfw) http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/exploits_of_a_mom.png |
| 14:21.49 | SLi | Hmm, apparently no internet connectivity daemon in SDK, so the app will never be told that there is a connection? |
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| 14:36.00 | cosmo | is maemo version number available in some file? |
| 14:38.51 | jumpula | maemo3 devkit? /scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/ChangeLog |
| 14:39.06 | jumpula | or do you mean like bora, or ... ? |
| 14:39.20 | cosmo | bora or 3.2 or something like that |
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| 15:14.26 | michael | hello all |
| 15:14.46 | florian | hi michael |
| 15:15.19 | michael | i have a question about creating an image for the n800 |
| 15:16.03 | michael | I would like to install all of my programs and then create an image in case i mess it up in the future...that way all I need to do is just flash my image rather than reinstall all of my apps |
| 15:16.53 | Esworp | Does rhw |
| 15:17.55 | Esworp | Does the backup app work so that you could copy the resulting files created? |
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| 15:20.31 | pparker | hi everyone |
| 15:21.09 | pparker | do you know how to talk with gnuite or anyone from maemo mapper ? |
| 15:21.41 | michael | any suggestions on creating an image file? |
| 15:23.32 | zoran | michael, does it satisfy if you just copy it to newly made /bin directory? |
| 15:23.36 | pupnik | Is there a memory register that functions as a cycle-accurate timer on OMAP1710/2420? Something where i can do one asm read/copy and get a cycle-accurate value without invoking a syscall? |
| 15:23.58 | michael | i am not sure if that would work |
| 15:24.10 | zoran | why not |
| 15:24.17 | michael | you know when u mess up u'r 800 u use the flasher tool to reeflash |
| 15:24.18 | pupnik | michael: if you set up multiboot on your mmc, you can backup/restore images with dd |
| 15:24.37 | michael | thats what i want to do but flash from an image i created |
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| 15:24.43 | michael | i dont want to boot from mmc |
| 15:24.46 | lardman | pupnik: why? |
| 15:25.00 | lardman | pupnik: what do you want to time to that sort of accuracy? |
| 15:25.17 | pupnik | i've got an emulator that uses a cycle-accurate pentium asm instruction for a timer |
| 15:25.52 | pupnik | #define rdtsc(val) __asm__ __volatile__ ("rdtsc" : "=A" (val)) |
| 15:26.16 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:26.34 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:26.44 | lardman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RDTSC |
| 15:26.44 | pupnik | Gp2x has something similar |
| 15:27.21 | pupnik | correct |
| 15:27.51 | pupnik | i found some ARM docs that mention such counters for development boards etc |
| 15:28.10 | lardman | https://mail.rtai.org/pipermail/rtai/2002-October/001182.html |
| 15:28.14 | zoran | pupnik, unrelated to your rdtsc question; I learnt that on bsd nvi is the same app that user could fire up as vi |
| 15:28.14 | pupnik | will have to do my own reas... hmm |
| 15:28.29 | zoran | so, no classic vi on bsd box |
| 15:29.36 | pupnik | yeah i saw that thread lardman |
| 15:30.07 | lardman | pupnik: no idea then, sorry |
| 15:31.55 | pupnik | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/osdep/timer-lx.c?root=mplayer&rev=82&view=markup this might be good enough (gettimeofday()) |
| 15:32.41 | lardman | depends how often you need to query i suppose |
| 15:33.03 | lardman | there will presumably be more overhead in setting up and tearing down the timer than with the tickcounter |
| 15:33.11 | pupnik | here's the code referenced by that rtai thread btw.. |
| 15:33.14 | pupnik | http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/php/tjuerges/ALMA/RTOS/api/arch-clps711x_2rtai__timer_8h-source.html |
| 15:34.59 | lardman | there was also some for the SA |
| 15:37.28 | pupnik | http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/2.6.16.yuv420+tearsync-not-working.diff ahh some interesting references there |
| 15:40.57 | zoran | A |
| 15:41.21 | pupnik | kwd clock_get |
| 15:41.22 | pupnik | clk |
| 15:42.58 | lardman | is there a way of #defining a macro that can handle a variable list of input parameters? |
| 15:43.20 | lardman | for example if I wanted to #define printf() into fprintf() for example |
| 15:43.49 | lardman | or would I need to declare a wrapper function and use that nasty variable argument parsing business? |
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| 15:49.22 | rhys | wherre can i get the new firmware? |
| 15:49.30 | rhys | its downloading at 1.3kb/s |
| 15:49.31 | rhys | :( |
| 15:51.37 | rhys | is there a mirror anywhere? |
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| 15:53.45 | rhys | anyone? :( |
| 15:54.16 | zoran | rhys, it is about 60 Mb |
| 15:54.16 | lardman | no, not that I know of |
| 15:54.53 | Tak|work | http://pastebin.ca/731987 |
| 15:55.06 | pupnik | sfw - cheezy video of classic console gaming http://one.revver.com/watch/426032/flv/affiliate/67684 |
| 15:56.06 | pupnik | re;evamt to ?? Tak|work ? |
| 15:56.26 | rhys | zoran, its 83mb |
| 15:56.40 | zoran | folks, where lays socat 1.5 for 2006? it has a page in downloads |
| 15:56.44 | rhys | nokias server is crazy slow |
| 15:56.51 | zoran | rhys, even worse |
| 15:57.01 | Tak|work | not relevant to anything per se; just a script I just wrote to dump a .glade file to a const string in a .h file so that it gets embedded in the executable rather than having to keep track of ${DATADIR}/blah.glade |
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| 15:57.36 | X-Fade | rhys: I'm getting 1.86MB/s here.. |
| 15:59.22 | rhys | X-Fade, wtf. im on internet2, and can pull 5MB/s off internet 1 |
| 15:59.23 | rhys | :\ |
| 15:59.32 | rhys | right now im getting 7.6kb/s |
| 16:00.19 | zoran | nice ole dial up modem? |
| 16:01.15 | mgedmin | nah, never saw more than ~5kb/s on a modem |
| 16:01.18 | X-Fade | rhys: My guess is international mirrors. |
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| 16:01.49 | rhys | zoran, i just mentioned im on I2. im at college. theres no way its my connections fault |
| 16:02.12 | rhys | X-Fade, can you direct connect send it to me? :( |
| 16:02.52 | rhys | its so sad. yesterday it was actually faster to download the new ubuntu iso from oregon (I2) than transfer it from my usb drive. |
| 16:03.12 | rhys | and now i get 7.6kb/s :( |
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| 16:07.09 | lardman | If I want to define a macro like so: http://pastebin.ca/732005 |
| 16:07.32 | lardman | is it possible to more the newline inside the A argument by some trickery? |
| 16:07.58 | rhys | X-Fade, can you at least send me the direct link your downloading from? |
| 16:08.25 | pupnik | dunno lardman :( |
| 16:09.21 | lardman | pupnik: doesn't matter, that should work (I think), just wanted to make it neater :) |
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| 16:19.24 | zoran | I'd like to know, if I see "missling install file" on download server, does it mean that the particular file does not exist entirely? |
| 16:20.18 | Tak|work | lardman: printf(A"\n", args); |
| 16:23.19 | |R | beside constructing a dual boot system and messing the whole boot structure... would anyone have a simpler suggestion on how to add big packages that would fill the n800's internal ram rapidly? (gjiden for example will need a lot of space for dictionary and fonts) |
| 16:23.51 | |R | should i just extract them to SD cards with a cloned system and chroot there? |
| 16:24.04 | Tak|work | symlink /var/cache/apt to /media/mmcsomething? |
| 16:24.29 | |R | that would be an idea for the packages, but what about the installed files? |
| 16:24.47 | |R | they have to be at the right place in the system to work :/ |
| 16:24.47 | zoran | no diff |
| 16:25.03 | |R | i can't isntall fonts in tmp and then libs in bin and expect this to work :) |
| 16:25.09 | zoran | ln -s /media/mmc2/bin/file /bin/file |
| 16:25.21 | |R | uhm ok.. yeah |
| 16:25.28 | |R | i'll do a massive linking, why not :) |
| 16:25.52 | |R | i hope the busybox sed/bash is good enougth for some scripting :P |
| 16:25.52 | Tak|work | ah @ installed files |
| 16:25.59 | zoran | be aware not to do link for whole /bin |
| 16:26.07 | |R | no of course :) |
| 16:26.16 | |R | but i thougth the cards were no-exec mounted? |
| 16:26.19 | Tak|work | bludgeon the packager for not giving an option to install data to mmc? |
| 16:26.20 | |R | i can change it i guess |
| 16:26.24 | |R | (fstab and such) |
| 16:26.39 | zoran | you could always make it ext2 |
| 16:26.49 | |R | i was just wondering if there was any counter indications, i'm used to linux but not with ones that are not on PCs ;) |
| 16:27.23 | zoran | like du and df |
| 16:29.54 | zoran | Tak|work, do you think the box will boot if link goes like "ln -s /media/mmc2/bin /bin" ? |
| 16:30.21 | zoran | it could not find some essential binaries |
| 16:31.47 | pupnik | how can a package installer (preinst, postinst) be made to query user where data goes? |
| 16:31.56 | Tak|work | zoran: I wouldn't risk it ;-)( |
| 16:32.08 | zoran | me neither |
| 16:32.34 | |R | hehe same here ;) |
| 16:33.00 | Tak|work | pupnik: several packages do similar things, like asking if the menu item should go in extras or games |
| 16:33.34 | pupnik | you're right... i can't remember which do it tho |
| 16:33.34 | zoran | does someone use ssl on 2006 to connect to server? I have to handle socat for pop port 995 |
| 16:34.00 | zoran | it has no verify option, if I'm not wrong |
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| 16:37.56 | lardman | Tak|work: thanks, I forgot that strings get concatenated like that |
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| 17:09.28 | rhys | anyone have the newest firmware? |
| 17:12.53 | |R | same here |
| 17:12.59 | |R | RX-34_2007SE_4.2007.38-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 17:13.01 | |R | this? |
| 17:13.11 | rhys | YEs! |
| 17:13.23 | |R | want me to u/l it somewhere? |
| 17:13.25 | rhys | i can only get it at 7kb/s from nokias sist |
| 17:13.27 | rhys | yesyeysyeys! |
| 17:13.32 | |R | where could that be? :) |
| 17:14.11 | rhys | ah |
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| 17:14.18 | rhys | direct connect could work... |
| 17:14.24 | rhys | i could make you a login to my server if you want |
| 17:14.42 | |R | sure, anything will do, ftp, scp, whatever :) |
| 17:14.46 | Dregz|Aloof | Yeah, I was gettingeda poor connection yesterday. |
| 17:14.49 | |R | i can u/l at 80k/sec |
| 17:15.05 | rhys | i can download at 5MB/s |
| 17:15.08 | |R | hehe ;) |
| 17:15.10 | |R | i wish i could |
| 17:15.24 | rhys | are you on i2? |
| 17:15.27 | |R | at home or work / univ ? |
| 17:15.30 | rhys | |R, direct connect would be easier |
| 17:15.32 | rhys | uni |
| 17:15.37 | |R | no, just on a local cable provider at home ) |
| 17:15.38 | |R | :) |
| 17:16.28 | rhys | |R, can you dc? |
| 17:16.46 | |R | what do you call direct connect? |
| 17:16.51 | rhys | actually, i can host it on my http mirror here, if someone wants to place it in the topic for the channel |
| 17:17.01 | rhys | |R, whats built into most IRC clients. what xchat has |
| 17:17.12 | |R | oh ok! hehe |
| 17:17.25 | |R | i guess yes, though haven't used this in bitchx for a long time ;) |
| 17:17.46 | |R | are you getting something? |
| 17:18.18 | rhys | aye. wtf. |
| 17:19.11 | |R | urhm... |
| 17:19.14 | rhys | im getting 3k a sec |
| 17:19.18 | rhys | one second. this is odd |
| 17:19.19 | |R | yep, i can see that |
| 17:19.27 | |R | and my connection is completely iddle here |
| 17:19.33 | |R | (no p2p or anything :P) |
| 17:19.54 | |R | would there be a problem between you and internet 1 ? :| |
| 17:19.57 | rhys | there throttling here somehow. |
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| 17:24.36 | rhys | sob. |
| 17:24.55 | rhys | this is mad. i just talked to my boss (i work in IT) and apparently the throttling for the wifi changes by time |
| 17:25.53 | rhys | during work hours its massive |
| 17:26.00 | rhys | still |
| 17:26.02 | |R | argh :| |
| 17:26.16 | rhys | would people still like a server to host that here? like to post in the topic? |
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| 17:40.24 | rhys_ | so after being disconnected here |
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| 18:09.10 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:10.24 | pupnik | "Also these communicators (n800/770) need a GSM radio like a hole in the head. Why would you want to pay for a second data plan when you could just tether to your current phone and share it's data plan, then upgrade your phone if you want faster service (or a different provider)." = Peter Tripp +++ |
| 18:10.26 | disq | who's quote is that |
| 18:10.44 | pupnik | previous was 'roc ingersot' |
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| 18:13.08 | pupnik | i like the n800 custom clamp mount for train use: http://thickerthanbloodthebook.com/research/770/ |
| 18:19.26 | GeneralAntilles | Haha, totally agreed on the GSM radio |
| 18:21.42 | pupnik | oh man why didn't anybody think of a 5-column querty keyboard on a phone before? http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadgetmobile.com/media/2007/10/sprint-pearl-8130-ofc.jpg |
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| 18:26.27 | suihkulokki | compared to maemo, what do people most miss from "real debian" |
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| 18:28.18 | alterego | sshfs |
| 18:28.21 | alterego | :) |
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| 18:35.59 | Lateralus | disq: Our applications are similar, did you never have any problems where osso_initialize returned NULL? |
| 18:36.58 | alterego | Lateralus, most common problems are invalid dbus .session or .desktop files. |
| 18:37.13 | Lateralus | alterego: It's a daemon, there is no .desktop file |
| 18:37.27 | alterego | Oh |
| 18:37.47 | alterego | Then check the session file. |
| 18:38.01 | Lateralus | alterego: the "session" file? Do you mean service file? |
| 18:38.22 | alterego | Yes, that's what I mean :) |
| 18:39.51 | disq | Lateralus: not sure if i did |
| 18:40.56 | Lateralus | My service file looks ok, the only difference is that right now the daemon is thrown in /usr/local/bin, rather than /usr/bin/ |
| 18:40.57 | _Monkey | Hmm. No matches for that, Lateralus. |
| 18:42.51 | czr | hey alterego |
| 18:43.03 | alterego | Hello czy, meet your deadline okay? |
| 18:43.15 | alterego | czr ;) |
| 18:43.30 | czr | alterego, "kind of" :-) |
| 18:43.36 | alterego | :) |
| 18:43.39 | czr | still continuing. |
| 18:44.21 | czr | had really funny feedback on one of the materials. the reviewer got scared about the length of the scrollbars in the browser ;-) |
| 18:44.33 | alterego | Hahah |
| 18:44.47 | czr | the solution for that problem (obviously) was to shift the browser slightly to the right, so that the scrollbar wouldn't be visible anymore :-) |
| 18:45.19 | alterego | Hahah |
| 18:46.14 | disq | lol |
| 18:46.29 | czr | other than that, still a lot of stuff to do for the other material, so I think I'll be busy for quite some time still. |
| 18:46.51 | czr | but at least the glib-dbus stuff seems to be ok, which is a relief to me. |
| 18:47.54 | disq | i need some volunteers to test the latest kagu from svn. trevarthan's been busy, so i am the sole coder+tester right now |
| 18:48.04 | disq | especially the a2dp enable/disable code, i modified it but had no way to test |
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| 19:10.06 | playya | i would test it but i only have a n800 @ work and there we re not allowed to connect to svn |
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| 19:13.57 | alterego | sucks to be you :P |
| 19:14.22 | Atarii | konttori u there? |
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| 19:14.35 | konttori | yeah |
| 19:16.11 | konttori | hmm... I think I've just been able to find out how to support stage6 videos on uktube |
| 19:16.23 | konttori | Hmm... maybe |
| 19:16.29 | konttori | definately maybe |
| 19:16.40 | konttori | I have to try it later on. |
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| 19:30.11 | Lateralus | http://pastebin.com/d6a1f917c This is the code that dies at osso_initialize (gets NULL) |
| 19:30.31 | Lateralus | The service file data is at the bottom of the post |
| 19:36.20 | disq | weird. examined but no idea |
| 19:37.01 | disq | try calling g_main_loop_new() after osso_init? |
| 19:37.02 | Lateralus | the only thing different than other things I've seen is the location of the binary, which shouldn't matter, afaik |
| 19:37.08 | Lateralus | disq: k |
| 19:38.08 | pupnik | lateralus, you're not a 20 year old girl living in wisconsin are you? |
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| 19:38.28 | Lateralus | pupnik: I'm half afraid to answer, but, no. |
| 19:38.59 | pupnik | well then be aware of low uniqueness quotient on your chosen nickname |
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| 19:39.59 | Lateralus | I had changed in the past, but Lateralus was muscle memory after a certain point |
| 19:40.41 | playya | Lateralus, do you run this as user or root? |
| 19:40.50 | Lateralus | playya: root |
| 19:41.10 | disq | i have a muscle-memorized password i rarely use (only for a certain ssh key). i thought i forgot it once. tried closing my eyes and typing away, and it worked |
| 19:41.13 | playya | this might be the problem |
| 19:41.17 | Lateralus | playya: user would not have been able to lock the tmp file, etc |
| 19:41.36 | Lateralus | playya: Oh? |
| 19:41.38 | disq | yeah root could be the prob |
| 19:41.45 | playya | i ran my app as root too and osso was null too |
| 19:42.49 | Lateralus | disq: We have an insane password here at work for our only "hub" server, which has routes to a lot of the boxes in our DC, I can only get it right by typing it without thinking |
| 19:44.24 | czr | is it "insanepassword"? |
| 19:44.32 | playya | mypassword |
| 19:44.36 | playya | 111111 |
| 19:44.48 | playya | beerandpizza |
| 19:45.35 | czr | although you'd first have to MIME-encode it before going into binary, then use 6 bits per character |
| 19:45.41 | czr | ultimate security |
| 19:46.39 | Lateralus | disq: If you aren't running scrobblerd as root, how are you writing the .lock file? |
| 19:47.13 | playya | use semaphores or sth |
| 19:48.08 | disq | the lock file fails and i trust the dbus :( |
| 19:50.20 | disq | Lateralus: songlistend will only fork() (and .lock) if it's not called with --dbus (ie. ran from the cmdlne) |
| 19:50.37 | disq | the service file has a --dbus param after the binary |
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| 19:50.51 | disq | same for scrobblerd |
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| 19:51.44 | lardman | am I right in thinking that if I fork a process I shouldn't write to stdout with the child? |
| 19:52.08 | lardman | or at least not with one of them |
| 19:52.17 | disq | you could. it will work for a while until the tty is closed. but you shouldn't |
| 19:52.27 | lardman | oh, are writes atomic? |
| 19:52.38 | Tak|work | won't it confuse the stdout buffering? |
| 19:52.42 | lardman | what would happen if both child & parent write at the same time? |
| 19:52.49 | playya | i dont think so |
| 19:53.12 | playya | today i started over 200 parallel downloads |
| 19:53.20 | playya | that was a problem |
| 19:53.28 | disq | it will confuse the connected user, messages appearing from nowhere |
| 19:53.39 | lardman | the connected user will be me |
| 19:53.50 | lardman | I need to see the 'dsp' side and 'arm' side messages |
| 19:54.12 | lardman | but running both sides on the same processor so I can actually debug the **** thing ;) |
| 19:54.51 | lardman | the other option is to use some other IPC method to communicate messages between the processes. I'm open to suggestions |
| 19:55.26 | Tak|work | try it and see what happens ;-) |
| 19:55.34 | lardman | true :) |
| 19:55.43 | lardman | I was just hoping to avoid any dead ends |
| 19:55.46 | disq | syslog? |
| 19:55.47 | _Monkey | syslog is, like, apt-get install sysklogd (or use downloads.maemo.org like everyone else) |
| 19:56.11 | disq | i did all my debugging in maemoscrobbler daemons with syslogd (install it first of course :P ) |
| 19:56.22 | disq | shut up _Monkey |
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| 19:56.29 | lardman | disq: I'd prefer to be able to pipe the data to file to analyse it later, my syslog output is quite full atm |
| 19:56.43 | lardman | _Monkey: ignore syslog |
| 19:56.43 | _Monkey | lardman: excuse me? |
| 19:56.54 | lardman | _Monkey: forget syslog |
| 19:56.55 | _Monkey | lardman: I forgot syslog |
| 19:57.03 | disq | ah. hrm. fopen("/tmp/dumpfile", "w+") ? (was append w+?) |
| 19:57.19 | playya | no |
| 19:57.22 | playya | a+ |
| 19:57.27 | lardman | again, are writes atomic, so will the data from each process appear on its own line? |
| 19:57.28 | disq | right |
| 19:57.36 | playya | lardman, no |
| 19:57.51 | playya | short write? |
| 19:57.58 | playya | try spinlock |
| 19:58.08 | lardman | not ideal, but probably not a major issue as the code is event based - one side sends a message and the other processes while the first waits |
| 19:58.24 | lardman | playya: too compilcated, I want something quick and (not too) dirty |
| 19:58.26 | Lateralus | disq: which is to say, when you run scrobblerd as root from cmdline your application doesn't work? And under normal operation, it isn't ran as a daemon? |
| 19:58.35 | disq | hmmm.. they're not atomic i think. try different dumpfiles with timestamps? |
| 19:59.03 | lardman | ah, that's another idea that I might try |
| 19:59.13 | disq | Lateralus: normally it's invoked via dbus, and works in the background. i tried the daemon idea for a while but it didn't work out |
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| 19:59.50 | lardman | Right, must go watch Heroes then back to try one/all of these ideas out; thanks chaps |
| 20:00.01 | Lateralus | disq: and to your knowledge, other than going below libosso with dbus directly, there is no easy way to get a daemon working? |
| 20:00.02 | playya | semaphores |
| 20:00.11 | playya | i looked up in a book |
| 20:00.17 | playya | spinlocks cant sleep |
| 20:00.54 | lardman|tv | playya: I should be able to get away without anything so complex as the code spends all its time waiting on the other process |
| 20:01.24 | disq | Lateralus: you want osso but in a daemon. there should be a way but i'm not aware of it |
| 20:01.31 | lardman|tv | playya: the idea being that the dsp is doing all the work & the arm is sat there waiting (& saving power/browsing the web/etc.) |
| 20:01.40 | disq | could try asking in maemo-devel or here again just in work hours (so that nokians can answer) |
| 20:01.57 | lardman|tv | disq: me? |
| 20:02.06 | disq | no, Lateralus |
| 20:02.09 | disq | you watch peter petrelli :) |
| 20:02.20 | lardman|tv | I'm off to do that, bbl |
| 20:02.27 | Lateralus | disq: I have contacts at nokia, but that can generate wait times in responses so I was hoping someone here knew. Thanks for your help |
| 20:02.37 | playya | i'm a nokian too |
| 20:02.39 | disq | could try the channel logs (see topic) |
| 20:02.42 | playya | but not at work |
| 20:02.55 | Lateralus | disq: I assume work hours means "daytime in finland" |
| 20:03.21 | playya | i dont know if they come too the irc |
| 20:03.26 | disq | yeah. gmt+# |
| 20:03.26 | disq | 3 |
| 20:03.34 | Lateralus | None of the employees I know come to irc |
| 20:03.40 | Tak|work | anyone using hildon-libs with libglade? |
| 20:03.54 | playya | we cannot use it :( |
| 20:04.07 | Lateralus | playya: really? That's unfortunate. |
| 20:04.37 | playya | maybe send the admin some presents |
| 20:05.04 | playya | ssh tunnel to your home pc? |
| 20:05.23 | playya | or working @ linspire? |
| 20:06.50 | Lateralus | I don't work at linspire, I'm in the same building as linspire and we all use the same outbound pipe, sitting on their firewall etc (hence my hostmask) |
| 20:07.16 | playya | ok |
| 20:07.19 | czr | yeah. be believe you. totally :-) |
| 20:07.22 | czr | we even. |
| 20:07.25 | Lateralus | :) |
| 20:07.53 | Lateralus | My CEO owns linspire, this building belongs to him, a lot of his businesses are in it |
| 20:08.10 | Lateralus | we share a bit of resources. |
| 20:08.42 | czr | you've done this before, haven't you? reading from a flowchart of "plausible explanations of hostmask"? |
| 20:08.58 | czr | ok ok! I believe you.. fine! |
| 20:09.27 | playya | is this a fortune addon? |
| 20:09.48 | czr | if you have an extra "how to get out of impossible projects before deadlines"-chart, I could use a spare. |
| 20:09.52 | czr | there must be a bug in mine. |
| 20:14.29 | disq | totally off topic but any recommendations to load-balance a small webfarm? don't want to buy a big-ip appliance. mod_backhand? |
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| 20:16.13 | pupnik | whatever solution earns you the most money |
| 20:17.25 | pupnik | 'wizard needs food, badly' |
| 20:17.36 | disq | i could go the lame www[1-numberofwebservers].domain.com way and put a redirector in www, but don't really want to do that |
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| 20:18.57 | konttori | ukmp (latest) + uktube with stage6 support in https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/2289/UKMP-1.70Alpha6C.deb |
| 20:19.01 | konttori | for anyone interested. |
| 20:19.38 | konttori | would be especially cool if ssvb could test the stage6 videos. It seems like they might benefit from performance tuneups. |
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| 20:30.23 | pupnik | if anyone has a broken psion netbook they want to sell, msg me |
| 20:33.04 | konttori | sweet jesus. I just said the app is available and now there are 33 downloads? Cool stuff. Thanks for the interest! |
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| 20:34.29 | pupnik | nice :) what's stage6? |
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| 20:36.54 | konttori | http://stage6.divx.com/ |
| 20:37.05 | konttori | haven't you heard about it? |
| 20:37.18 | |R | how big a resolution quand the n800 handle? |
| 20:37.35 | konttori | 800x480? |
| 20:37.49 | |R | quand/can sorry haha |
| 20:38.09 | |R | (french comming back to hit me ;) but i meant, for video playback at full speed? :) |
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| 20:38.55 | pupnik | something like 640x350 |
| 20:39.02 | konttori | yeah. that's about it |
| 20:39.07 | pupnik | depending on codec - see the videoconverter page |
| 20:39.18 | konttori | 800x480 mpeg4 at around 12 fps |
| 20:39.31 | |R | ok :) |
| 20:40.12 | |R | i'm still waiting for SD cards to arrive to play with medias ;) |
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| 20:40.23 | pupnik | i spend way too much time worrying about whether the n900 will have adequate controls for gaming |
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| 20:40.49 | Syntra | Hey umm... |
| 20:41.00 | pupnik | i should just go to sleep til january or something |
| 20:41.03 | Syntra | Can anyone guide me through getting OpenTTD working on my N800? |
| 20:41.03 | |R | pupnik : talking about games, any suggestion for a working nes emulator? :) |
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| 20:41.11 | |R | fceu is buggy when you press a/b it zooms ;) |
| 20:41.24 | pupnik | yes, there's one that runs fullspeed on a 66mhz arm |
| 20:41.49 | GeneralAntilles | |R, 400x240 @ 1200Kbps MPEG4 is about the best quality/performance |
| 20:41.50 | Tak|work | |R: I'm going to release a fix for that |
| 20:41.55 | pupnik | 0 frameskip, sound, perfect compatibility |
| 20:42.03 | |R | Tak|work : that would rock :) |
| 20:42.32 | pupnik | just to show what an optimized ARM asm emu can do :) |
| 20:42.37 | |R | :) |
| 20:42.37 | suihkulokki | has anyone tried the flash9-based C64 emulator? :P |
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| 20:42.56 | |R | GeneralAntilles : ok, so basically like the demo video... |
| 20:43.20 | GeneralAntilles | Not sure, haven't seen it since January. ;) |
| 20:43.23 | GeneralAntilles | but it looks very good |
| 20:43.30 | czr | pupnik, n900? |
| 20:43.31 | |R | hehe 400x240@25fps :) |
| 20:43.42 | |R | pretty smooth :) |
| 20:44.30 | |R | uhm video converter runs on windows only? |
| 20:44.57 | |R | i guess i'll recycle my D2 convertion scripts :) |
| 20:45.49 | konttori | pupnik: but even n800 is pretty ok when you keep the dpad middle down all the time |
| 20:46.04 | GeneralAntilles | I just use ffmpeg, |R. |
| 20:46.12 | |R | GeneralAntilles : k :) |
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| 20:46.32 | konttori | you can use mediaconverter on windowns, linux and osx. |
| 20:46.33 | ||cw | mencoder FTW! |
| 20:46.42 | konttori | in case you guys want to convert something |
| 20:46.52 | |R | konttori : yep just found that thanks! :) |
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| 20:47.00 | konttori | no probs |
| 20:47.55 | GeneralAntilles | MediaConverter doesn't letterbox |
| 20:49.54 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:50.04 | konttori | it should letterbox if you choose the optimize mode |
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| 20:50.20 | konttori | pupnik: do you have n800 already? |
| 20:50.25 | pupnik | no |
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| 20:51.47 | konttori | shame! You weren't in the developer program then? |
| 20:52.28 | pupnik | i hope to qualify by january with a number of finished ports |
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| 20:53.01 | Tak|work | meh - I'm done messing with gp ports |
| 20:54.11 | Syntra | Can someone help me get OpenTTD running on my N800? |
| 20:54.39 | pupnik | what is the problem |
| 20:54.39 | _Monkey | i heard the problem was that we need a better bot. Not just a monkey.... |
| 20:54.48 | pupnik | _Monkey: forget problem |
| 20:54.49 | _Monkey | pupnik: I forgot problem |
| 20:54.53 | lardman | lol |
| 20:54.54 | lardman | no! |
| 20:54.55 | pupnik | _Monkey: problem is <reply> |
| 20:54.56 | _Monkey | OK, pupnik. |
| 20:55.00 | lardman | that was a good reply! |
| 20:55.04 | pupnik | grr |
| 20:55.20 | pupnik | fine, then reset it |
| 20:55.26 | lardman | :D |
| 20:56.13 | Tak|work | problem? |
| 20:57.41 | pupnik | Syntra, it saves everyone time and typing if you describe your situation and ask your real question :) |
| 20:58.00 | Syntra | Uhh |
| 20:58.02 | Syntra | Basically everything |
| 20:58.15 | Syntra | I have no clue what I'm doing, to be honest |
| 20:58.32 | Syntra | I tried opening the .Deb file in Application manager |
| 20:58.36 | Syntra | That did not work |
| 20:59.12 | pupnik | ok, then select the 'log' in application manager to see the error message |
| 20:59.49 | Syntra | K hold on |
| 21:00.23 | Syntra | OK |
| 21:01.12 | Syntra | "/usr/bin/dpkg-deb -f'/media/mmc1/openttd_0.4.7jtra-1_armel.deb' |
| 21:01.34 | Syntra | Packacge must have "Section: user/F00" to be considered compatible. |
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| 21:02.10 | pupnik | that's a common error committed by packagers... see if there's an updated package or email the packager |
| 21:02.25 | pupnik | you can install it from command line with dpkg -i openttd_0.4.7jtra-1_armel.deb |
| 21:03.32 | Syntra | Ok I'll try that |
| 21:03.32 | pupnik | you need to be root though |
| 21:04.12 | playya | sudo gainroot |
| 21:04.17 | Syntra | OK |
| 21:04.19 | playya | an then that line |
| 21:04.34 | Syntra | Sounds good |
| 21:04.49 | |R | what does gainroot do better than su? :) |
| 21:04.57 | playya | maybe you need to enable RD mode |
| 21:05.14 | playya | err |
| 21:05.21 | playya | better pizza |
| 21:05.35 | Syntra | Uhh |
| 21:05.42 | playya | no. i cant use su in scratchbox |
| 21:05.58 | playya | thats why i use sudo |
| 21:06.00 | Syntra | I got this message when typing sudo gainroot into X Terminal |
| 21:06.16 | Tak|work | n800 you need to ssh root@localhost |
| 21:06.31 | playya | or enable RD mode |
| 21:06.36 | Syntra | cal_read_block(r&d_mode): size zero, block not found? |
| 21:06.46 | Syntra | Enable RD mode if you want to break your device |
| 21:06.53 | playya | :D |
| 21:06.59 | lardman | ignore that warning |
| 21:07.03 | playya | no risk no fun |
| 21:07.07 | Syntra | lol |
| 21:07.15 | lardman | you can break it without enabling r&d mode ;) |
| 21:07.22 | Syntra | Lolol |
| 21:07.30 | |R | :P |
| 21:07.31 | Syntra | How do I enable R&D mode? |
| 21:07.38 | playya | or use ssh -l root localhost everytime you need root |
| 21:07.52 | playya | have the flasher by your hand? |
| 21:08.25 | Syntra | Flasher being the Updater thing? |
| 21:08.47 | playya | no |
| 21:08.56 | playya | using win or lin? |
| 21:09.12 | Syntra | Windows, but I have Ubuntu if needed. |
| 21:09.46 | playya | i never used the win flasher |
| 21:10.17 | playya | and dont know how to install it. it is included in the distribution @ work |
| 21:11.36 | disq | "ssh root@127.1" is faster to type |
| 21:12.03 | lardman | my n800 predictively fills in "sudo gainroot" for me now |
| 21:12.35 | playya | do you have some tools under the nokia logo while starting? |
| 21:12.39 | disq | my 770 did that. i still didn't edit sudoers, still using ssh (after all these months) |
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| 21:14.31 | playya | are there any osso1.1 images available atm? |
| 21:15.14 | suihkulokki | playya: ..from the same place you heard that term from |
| 21:18.27 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody want to hazard a guess as to why I can make calls with the rtcomm software (through Gizmo SIP), but all incoming calls disconnect 1 second after being answered (can hear/send audio on both ends, though). |
| 21:18.58 | lardman | syslogd? |
| 21:19.32 | pupnik | i just love ultima IV to pieces.. |
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| 21:25.57 | Tb0n3 | mplayer just wont work right for me any more |
| 21:27.28 | lardman | Tb0n3: what's up? |
| 21:28.06 | Tb0n3 | mplayer is down, that's what's up |
| 21:28.08 | Tb0n3 | lol |
| 21:28.22 | Tb0n3 | wii update, yay |
| 21:30.07 | GeneralAntilles | Wish they had Bluetooth keyboard support. |
| 21:30.48 | GeneralAntilles | <3 Metroid, though. |
| 21:31.10 | Tb0n3 | what's the update do? |
| 21:31.22 | Tb0n3 | add support for browser keyboard support? |
| 21:31.45 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.wiili.org/index.php/Wii_Updates#October_10_2007 |
| 21:32.28 | Tb0n3 | yay |
| 21:32.46 | Tb0n3 | internet channel update |
| 21:32.46 | Tb0n3 | :D |
| 21:33.01 | GeneralAntilles | Too bad we can't get the browser in 1080p |
| 21:34.20 | Tb0n3 | lol |
| 21:34.30 | Tb0n3 | 480p, higher |
| 21:34.38 | disq | wii development is slow |
| 21:34.45 | Tb0n3 | wii development? |
| 21:34.46 | _Monkey | wii development is slow |
| 21:34.52 | Tb0n3 | it was developed |
| 21:35.04 | Tb0n3 | now it's just being added to |
| 21:35.07 | disq | also, i haven't turned mine on for the last four months or so |
| 21:35.33 | suihkulokki | wii is gamecube with a fancy controller |
| 21:35.57 | |R | we should get those controller working as pointing devices on n800 haha ;) |
| 21:36.05 | Tb0n3 | wii is awsome with a fancy controller |
| 21:36.07 | GeneralAntilles | Can't wait for Galaxy and Brawl |
| 21:36.14 | GeneralAntilles | Brawl + multiplayer will be orgasmic |
| 21:36.25 | Tb0n3 | wifi brawl |
| 21:36.38 | GeneralAntilles | Ha, |R, the sensor bar is twice as wide as the N800. |
| 21:36.43 | Tb0n3 | lol |
| 21:36.51 | Tb0n3 | well you can shrink it, but what's the point? |
| 21:37.16 | |R | haha :) |
| 21:37.26 | GeneralAntilles | Though I did just discover that the N800 works rather nicely with www.iospirit.com/remotebuddy/ and they're AJAX page. |
| 21:37.30 | |R | GeneralAntilles: but you don't need the sensor bar do you? |
| 21:37.36 | GeneralAntilles | For pointing |
| 21:37.42 | |R | oh damn ;) |
| 21:37.46 | GeneralAntilles | unless you use motion control (ala DarwiinRemote) |
| 21:37.51 | Tb0n3 | ummm |
| 21:37.56 | GeneralAntilles | but the motion control pointing is a pain. |
| 21:37.58 | Tb0n3 | pointing requires ir |
| 21:38.02 | GeneralAntilles | erm, their* |
| 21:38.14 | Tb0n3 | pointing relies on the sensor bar |
| 21:38.31 | Tb0n3 | I hate my intel wireless chip |
| 21:38.32 | Tb0n3 | T_T |
| 21:38.39 | Tb0n3 | it kicks out all the time |
| 21:38.44 | Tb0n3 | in windows and linux |
| 21:38.54 | Tb0n3 | I should just set it to 802.11b and be done with it |
| 21:38.55 | Tb0n3 | :/ |
| 21:39.14 | Atarii | is there any way to hide the opera statusbar? |
| 21:40.07 | GeneralAntilles | App menu -> View -> Show toolbar, Atarii. |
| 21:40.41 | lardman | night all |
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| 21:43.22 | Atarii | lol thanks GeneralAntilles |
| 21:44.43 | Tb0n3 | :/ |
| 21:44.43 | Tb0n3 | ... |
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| 21:44.49 | tb0n3_ | T_T |
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| 21:45.52 | Tb0n3 | for some reason, if I run in Gmode I have to reset my wireless device by switching it off then on in order to connect again |
| 21:45.57 | Tb0n3 | otherwise I can't even connect |
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| 21:47.11 | GeneralAntilles | Ha, sucks for you. |
| 21:47.19 | Tb0n3 | T_T |
| 21:47.31 | Tb0n3 | I've had this problem for a while and sony tech support tells me to just run in b mode |
| 21:47.34 | Tb0n3 | wtf |
| 21:47.37 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 21:47.42 | Tb0n3 | so just use it in 1/5th mode |
| 21:47.46 | Tb0n3 | bitches |
| 21:47.48 | GeneralAntilles | Advertised features don't work . . . SUE 'EM! |
| 21:47.58 | Tb0n3 | it's broken, and they never told me it was broken |
| 21:48.04 | Tb0n3 | it's their fault and they should fix it |
| 21:48.06 | |R | do you think i could just use an ssh tunnel to secure rtcomm's traffic back to my asterisk? |
| 21:48.26 | |R | (if it's easy to switch to TCP SIP instead of UDP, didn't look into that yet) |
| 21:49.45 | Tb0n3 | I'm sitting in my leather chair that's nice and soft |
| 21:49.47 | Tb0n3 | <3 |
| 21:49.55 | Tb0n3 | oh god, I just made a <3 |
| 21:50.02 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 21:50.04 | |R | :P |
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| 21:57.11 | Tb0n3 | the wii could support dvd playback, right? |
| 21:57.18 | Tb0n3 | just get an update from the wiistore |
| 21:57.38 | Tb0n3 | dvd reader, faster than xbawks |
| 21:57.46 | Tb0n3 | =dvdplayable |
| 21:58.14 | Tb0n3 | also, for where are .deb files cached? |
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| 22:01.55 | Tb0n3 | I had to install flash externally in order to stop it messing up, lawlz, thanks firefox... |
| 22:02.22 | Tb0n3 | when I'm not doing stuff on my computer I'll be sure to go over to straight debian |
| 22:02.45 | pupnik | xu4 is gonna kick butt. just figured out optimal solution for thumb conversation |
| 22:03.04 | Tb0n3 | xu4? |
| 22:03.05 | _Monkey | it has been said that xu4 is gonna kick butt. just figured out optimal solution for thumb conversation |
| 22:03.28 | Tb0n3 | lul |
| 22:04.00 | pupnik | _Monkey forget xu4 |
| 22:04.00 | _Monkey | pupnik: I forgot xu4 |
| 22:04.44 | pupnik | _Monkey xu4 is the open-source engine for the classic role-playing game Ultima 4, wip at http://pupnik.de/xu4770.html |
| 22:04.45 | _Monkey | OK, pupnik. |
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| 22:07.50 | pupnik | it's keyboard-only atm |
| 22:07.54 | pupnik | needs a new build too |
| 22:08.24 | Tb0n3 | lulz |
| 22:08.27 | Tb0n3 | what about wesnoth |
| 22:08.37 | pupnik | someone else was doing that |
| 22:09.21 | Tb0n3 | shit, I was going to do something but I forgot what it was |
| 22:10.29 | alterego | Cook me some steak. |
| 22:10.34 | alterego | :) |
| 22:10.38 | Tb0n3 | I am steak |
| 22:10.41 | Tb0n3 | Tb0n3 steak |
| 22:11.05 | Tb0n3 | oh, right, linux books torrents |
| 22:11.14 | Tb0n3 | so I can read about linux on my linux handheld device |
| 22:11.18 | Jiten | what's the status with n800's dsp-chip? is it possible to make code that uses it? |
| 22:11.29 | alterego | Yes |
| 22:11.51 | pupnik | next question: no |
| 22:12.03 | alterego | :) |
| 22:14.26 | suihkulokki | the main problem with programmin free software to TI DSP's is that if you learn how to use it.. |
| 22:14.52 | suihkulokki | ..you'lll get hired before you get a chance to finish your project |
| 22:15.23 | pupnik | it would be nice to have a dsp-based /dev/sequencer |
| 22:15.48 | pupnik | or a mikmod or sdl-audio lib that can do mod/tracker music on dsp |
| 22:16.23 | suihkulokki | gravis ultrasound emulator? :) |
| 22:16.26 | Tb0n3 | what's a dsp? |
| 22:16.27 | _Monkey | a dsp is the same as in 770 and omap1510 |
| 22:17.08 | pupnik | _Monkey: forget dsp |
| 22:17.09 | _Monkey | pupnik: I forgot dsp |
| 22:17.22 | pupnik | _Monkey: dsp is a Digital Signal Processor - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DSP |
| 22:17.23 | _Monkey | OK, pupnik. |
| 22:17.33 | Tb0n3 | lol |
| 22:17.43 | Tb0n3 | DSP brings you to a list of acronyms |
| 22:17.47 | Tb0n3 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_signal_processor |
| 22:17.51 | pupnik | oops |
| 22:17.53 | suihkulokki | _Monkey: lart network-manager |
| 22:17.53 | _Monkey | suihkulokki: sorry... |
| 22:17.56 | Tb0n3 | ! |
| 22:18.00 | Tb0n3 | woops |
| 22:18.00 | suihkulokki | grrr |
| 22:18.02 | Tb0n3 | woops? |
| 22:18.04 | pupnik | _Monkey: forget dsp |
| 22:18.04 | _Monkey | pupnik: I forgot dsp |
| 22:18.18 | pupnik | _Monkey: dsp is a Digital Signal Processor - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_signal_processor |
| 22:18.19 | _Monkey | OK, pupnik. |
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| 22:22.59 | Tb0n3 | so DSP is an audio processing processor? |
| 22:23.03 | Tb0n3 | specifically? |
| 22:23.44 | pupnik | it can be used for that - for e.g. gstreamer mp3 dsp accelerated playback |
| 22:24.59 | pupnik | i use it for the background music in Exult |
| 22:25.14 | pupnik | doom |
| 22:25.49 | roxfan | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerVR#PowerVR_MBX.2FSGX <- here's what iphone has |
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| 22:26.06 | alterego | roxfan, the N800 has the same. |
| 22:26.06 | roxfan | MBX specifically |
| 22:26.25 | roxfan | there's also some reference to mx31 hmm |
| 22:26.27 | alterego | Unfortunately without any drivers .. |
| 22:26.37 | Tb0n3 | god fucking damnit |
| 22:26.50 | Tb0n3 | I hate these ebook shits with "oh the password is in this thing after you sign up" |
| 22:27.00 | Tb0n3 | mofos |
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| 22:27.32 | alterego | O_o |
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| 22:30.29 | Tb0n3 | every single fucking one |
| 22:30.49 | Tb0n3 | anybody got a good source for ebooks? |
| 22:31.48 | roxfan | www.baen.com |
| 22:32.02 | roxfan | cheap and no drm shit |
| 22:32.36 | roxfan | well, www.webscriptions.net for the actual shop |
| 22:33.49 | pupnik | project gutenberg |
| 22:35.30 | Tb0n3 | cheap? |
| 22:35.32 | Tb0n3 | I mean |
| 22:35.36 | Tb0n3 | cheap as free |
| 22:35.51 | Tb0n3 | >_> |
| 22:36.26 | roxfan | they have free books too |
| 22:36.34 | roxfan | over a hundred of them afaik |
| 22:37.36 | Tb0n3 | I did not know there was drmaids in ebooks |
| 22:38.15 | roxfan | drmwhat? |
| 22:39.52 | Tb0n3 | drmaids |
| 22:39.56 | Tb0n3 | DRMaids |
| 22:40.07 | Tb0n3 | you know, like HLCP |
| 22:40.20 | Tb0n3 | or was it hdcp |
| 22:40.21 | Tb0n3 | :/ |
| 22:40.38 | Tb0n3 | oh shi- my cable isn't certified so I can't watch me a high def movie |
| 22:40.41 | Tb0n3 | that I bought |
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| 22:40.59 | Tb0n3 | hence drmaids |
| 22:41.52 | pupnik | my monitor does full HD w/o hdcp so phlblbt |
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| 22:42.31 | Tb0n3 | hdcp is required |
| 22:42.42 | Tb0n3 | for high definition |
| 22:42.48 | Tb0n3 | lulz, vistaids |
| 22:48.51 | Mikho | is it possible to slow down maemo running in my develpment pc so that it matches the speed of 770? |
| 22:50.37 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 22:51.05 | GeneralAntilles | You could open up your computer and start pulling out random circuit boards until it gets there ala 2001. |
| 22:52.00 | pupnik | ~daisy, daisy...~ |
| 22:53.07 | Mikho | It'd be nice if I could see from the emulator window roughly how fast the application would run in the 770 |
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| 23:10.43 | Esworp | Hey there. Just got my n800 in the mail yesterday; loving it! |
| 23:11.02 | pupnik | congratulations! |
| 23:11.06 | pupnik | give it a good workout |
| 23:11.57 | Esworp | Thanks! Got any suggestions for any 'must have' apps? |
| 23:12.29 | pupnik | osso-xterm |
| 23:12.29 | _Monkey | osso-xterm is what I use on alterego's N800 and 770 |
| 23:12.37 | pupnik | xterm? |
| 23:12.38 | _Monkey | i heard xterm was the enhanced version of osso-xterm from maemo-hackers. It adds font and color selection support, URL opening through context menu, and a sidebar with additional keys such as Ctrl+letters. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/osso-xterm-advanced or http://dastych.sh.cvut.cz/~jtra/download/maemo/xterm/debs/ for an alternate onscreen keyboard |
| 23:13.21 | pupnik | Esworp: if you use it a lot you might consider investing in a nice folding bluetooth keyboard to go with it |
| 23:14.11 | Esworp | The keyboard is on my list; bummer i have ppalm's worthless ir kyb. |
| 23:14.18 | pupnik | Esworp: for discussion forums check out internettablettalk.com |
| 23:15.14 | Esworp | Will do. |
| 23:16.31 | pupnik | Do you have any experience with linux? |
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| 23:17.57 | Esworp | A little. I fooled around with the innards of my OSX machine (ducks!) |
| 23:19.07 | Esworp | Nothing major . . . Installed sql, compiled bitchx, little stuff. |
| 23:20.03 | pupnik | ok it helps to be able to do a few things from the command line |
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| 23:20.28 | Esworp | Ain't sceer'd. :P |
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| 23:22.55 | Esworp | A few application manager installs say they need libvte4 and libxau0. Wassat? |
| 23:23.49 | pupnik | libxau0 - X authentication library |
| 23:23.57 | pupnik | libvte4 - Terminal emulator widget for GTK+ 2.0 - runtime file |
| 23:24.28 | pupnik | it is possible you need to add repositories which contain these files |
| 23:24.35 | pupnik | repositories? |
| 23:24.36 | _Monkey | repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php |
| 23:25.11 | pupnik | ^^ search there to find the repository to add, then in application manager, add the repository name with verbatim info |
| 23:25.45 | pupnik | after that, the required libraries should install automatically when you install xterm or whatever |
| 23:26.12 | Esworp | Aye. |
| 23:27.00 | pupnik | your n800 uses the 'bora' repository |
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| 23:27.09 | pupnik | so i don't understand why it's not already available |
| 23:27.48 | Esworp | whats the status with the google videochat? It doesn't work with the one person i know on the client who could use it. |
| 23:28.15 | pupnik | ahh maybe the repo you need is maemo-hackers.org for the libvte4 newer version (1:0.12.2-0mh2) |
| 23:28.27 | pupnik | no idea |
| 23:29.17 | Esworp | That vversion number looks familiar. |
| 23:30.20 | pupnik | on another tip - if you find an application on the web that has a green 'install' button (an arrow) it will install required repositories automatically if you click on it in the browser |
| 23:30.40 | pupnik | that is often the easiest (by far) way to get required repos set up |
| 23:30.57 | pupnik | s/will/should/ |
| 23:31.39 | Esworp | Yea. I was really suprised how well the app mngr worked. |
| 23:38.52 | Esworp | Is pidgin >maemo gaim? |
| 23:39.12 | pupnik | duno |
| 23:39.45 | suihkulokki | gAIM got renamed to pidgin becase AOL did not like the name |
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| 23:43.39 | Esworp | Yay for evil lawyering. |
| 23:45.07 | Lateralus | lol |
| 23:45.15 | Lateralus | I'm sure that's a term defined in a legal document somewhere |
| 23:45.34 | pupnik | that's like IBM suing the developers of lIBMpeg3 |
| 23:45.46 | Lateralus | 5-2.3.4A: Evil Lawyering - ... |
| 23:46.04 | Lateralus | Hereafter ("Lawyering") |
| 23:47.17 | Esworp | I'm out for a sec.. Lemme try out pidgin. |
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| 23:58.25 | gla55 | well gaim is more like doing a gOS/2. imho. |
