| 00:02.47 | edt | ebooks see www.baen.com - they have a free library and also sell DRM free ebooks. ebookreader handles the palm format well. |
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| 00:06.54 | esworp | quick question... does the n800 support any kind of screen rotation? |
| 00:07.10 | zerojay | No. |
| 00:07.23 | esworp | <shrug> I can live with that. |
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| 00:07.51 | esworp | mind a few more newb-oid questions about the device? |
| 00:08.18 | zerojay | That's what we're here for. |
| 00:08.32 | esworp | cool... I always ask before I make a pain of myself. (0_o) |
| 00:08.51 | esworp | how theme-able is the build of debian used? |
| 00:09.29 | zerojay | You realize that it's not just straight plain Debian running, right? |
| 00:09.40 | esworp | nope, i didn't |
| 00:09.52 | esworp | nor do I know much about debian in general. :] |
| 00:10.11 | zerojay | It's basically a customized environment on top of a Debian core. |
| 00:10.16 | zerojay | You can make themes for it. |
| 00:11.05 | esworp | alright. I've been thinking about trying my hand at that... I always liked the graph-paper re-do of the older mac os. |
| 00:11.30 | esworp | might be a fun one. ... might mangle the device. |
| 00:12.13 | esworp | speaking of mangling.. how possible is it to effectively "brick" the n800? (ala those poor iphone users) |
| 00:12.37 | zerojay | Generally, low. |
| 00:12.50 | zerojay | The worst you might have to do is reflash. |
| 00:13.25 | esworp | is a reflash much of a PITA on a macosx host machine? |
| 00:13.53 | zerojay | Couldn't tell you, but from what I've heard, no. |
| 00:18.09 | esworp | one of the pet project I'd like to look into for it is to work as a MIDI controller for some fiddling around I do with keyboards... |
| 00:20.34 | Jiten | is it possible to brick the device badly enough that reflashing is no longer possible? I'd like to know what are the safe limits :) |
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| 00:54.28 | gopi | I've only ever reflashed on OS X. |
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| 01:02.02 | |R | esworp : i feel your pain (lefty too ;) |
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| 01:07.07 | esworp | heh |
| 01:07.10 | esworp | thanks IR |
| 01:07.16 | |R | :) |
| 01:07.32 | |R | thinking about getting an n800? |
| 01:07.43 | esworp | I'm SO hating my lifedrive... tomorrow I get to smash the thing, as my n800 should be here in the mail. |
| 01:07.58 | |R | oh, so already got (almost ;) |
| 01:08.02 | esworp | yeah. |
| 01:08.15 | esworp | I'm just sick of getting burned by the Palm device.. I really hate it. |
| 01:08.35 | esworp | and i don't need a smartphone, and the ipod touch doesn't have a calendar app. |
| 01:09.06 | |R | burned? what do you mean? :) |
| 01:09.21 | esworp | the os is so damn flaky |
| 01:09.25 | |R | ah ok |
| 01:09.56 | |R | haven't really tried out a Palm since the old Palm III :P |
| 01:10.01 | esworp | seems like I get it all dialed in, and then the hd will nuke itsself. |
| 01:10.08 | esworp | i liked my p3 |
| 01:10.31 | esworp | seems like the 'zen' of the devices have faltered.. seems like so much of it was a band-aid |
| 01:11.02 | |R | i don't know how the OS evolved... but from what i can remember from the P III it was like running Mac OS 6.0 |
| 01:11.24 | esworp | yeah, but it worked fine back then.. something snappy to get an appointment in or whatever |
| 01:11.41 | esworp | but the os never really evolved like it should have |
| 01:11.47 | |R | the only horrible thing was loosing everything if you lost your batteries :P |
| 01:11.56 | esworp | well, that is fixed nowadays. |
| 01:11.59 | |R | ok :) |
| 01:12.14 | esworp | the only time you loose your data is when the OS decides to hate you. |
| 01:12.26 | esworp | which happened (no lie) to me twenty minutes ago. |
| 01:12.32 | esworp | again. |
| 01:12.42 | |R | :( |
| 01:13.11 | esworp | for a while, folks were working on a linux os replacement, but it stalled. |
| 01:13.31 | |R | how about OpenMoko ? is it ported ? |
| 01:13.57 | esworp | i think the OS they were working on was Opie |
| 01:14.18 | esworp | but it wa too much for the system, it seemed.. and no realy power management support/wifi/lots of other stuff |
| 01:14.35 | |R | I only just got my n800 last week ... after realising i could have a pocket pseudo-debian :] |
| 01:14.59 | |R | So what are you looking for in the n800? |
| 01:15.05 | esworp | my interest is in the angle of a turbo-pda. |
| 01:15.32 | |R | ok :) |
| 01:15.41 | esworp | i was able to rely solely on a lifedrive during college as opposed to a laptop.. so i think a n800 will give me plenty of room to stretch. |
| 01:15.50 | esworp | hopefully GPE PIM will get the job done.. |
| 01:16.08 | esworp | all I'd need besides that is something that can open/edit word docs. |
| 01:16.15 | esworp | and I'll be happy. |
| 01:17.29 | |R | uhm, open maybe, edit i don't know |
| 01:17.43 | esworp | yeah, well.. I can live with a convert n edit.. |
| 01:17.44 | |R | Are you getting a bluetooth keyboard? |
| 01:17.48 | esworp | fer sure. |
| 01:17.55 | |R | which one? |
| 01:18.04 | esworp | dunno yet. |
| 01:18.39 | esworp | I've been pretty good with HWR systems for a while now.. and just need to take simple notes during meetings/etc. |
| 01:18.53 | esworp | so I'm not going to shop for a keyboard untill I'm fed up with the HWR |
| 01:19.06 | |R | I got the stowaway ultra-slim, it's nice if you don't think you need a number row / F keys and can do with Fn for numbers :) |
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| 01:19.45 | |R | they also have a somewhat bigger version with those... |
| 01:20.04 | esworp | supposedly it 'learns'.. it this true? or are you stuck just trying to mimic what the HWR engine wnats? |
| 01:20.36 | esworp | i use that kind of keyboard with my pda presently... I would rather have something with nubmer keys. |
| 01:20.49 | |R | it can record new patterns, though i've only tried once earlier today and it wouldn't accept the normal way i write my "a" (in 2 strokes, i have to raise the pen, and it doesn't like that :P) |
| 01:21.03 | |R | and it seems to recognize letter quite well anyway... |
| 01:21.08 | |R | but only toyed with it 1 minute or so |
| 01:21.14 | esworp | right... betcha I'll be able to teach it Grafitti.. that'll learn ya! |
| 01:21.22 | |R | haha that would be good ;) |
| 01:21.35 | |R | i forgot my Graffiti, i should relearn it and do the same |
| 01:21.43 | esworp | wonder if someone would come and sue me like they did palm for it after the n800 learned it from me. |
| 01:21.52 | |R | haha |
| 01:22.34 | |R | i hope to get VoIP going now... i've been setting my asterisk to connect to it. It worked for outdial but i don't see anything when i get called, wondering why. . . |
| 01:22.56 | |R | Would be useful to get my call from home when i'm somewhere else :) |
| 01:22.58 | esworp | i dont htink I'll use the voip much. there isn't enough wifi saturation in my usual digs for that. |
| 01:23.08 | esworp | and I dont use a home phone. |
| 01:23.30 | |R | home phone being the old PSTN? |
| 01:25.02 | esworp | PTSN? |
| 01:25.16 | |R | hehe sorry |
| 01:25.22 | |R | plain simple telephone network |
| 01:25.26 | esworp | oh. |
| 01:25.29 | esworp | not even that.. |
| 01:25.32 | |R | Pierre: all the Bell company bringing copper etc ;) |
| 01:25.34 | |R | err |
| 01:25.38 | esworp | I just use my celly. |
| 01:25.39 | |R | Pierre was ie: :P |
| 01:25.42 | |R | (damn irc client ;) |
| 01:25.51 | esworp | I get one from work, and dont really use my personal much. |
| 01:25.56 | |R | ok :) |
| 01:26.10 | esworp | but the video phone thingy looks pretty swank. |
| 01:26.15 | esworp | bummer it only works with google talk. |
| 01:26.17 | |R | I've transfered my home number to a VoIP provider so it's pretty cheap to keep a "line" at home over my network connection |
| 01:26.25 | |R | (7$ / month) |
| 01:26.35 | |R | or even less depending on how much i talk :) |
| 01:26.36 | esworp | that /is/ cheapo |
| 01:26.51 | |R | 2.5$/month + 1.1c / min |
| 01:26.55 | |R | it's quite cheap :) |
| 01:27.40 | |R | that's why i'd like to get VoIP going so i can use my VoIP provider to call from anywhere i can get wifi to land lines / cells for cheap :) |
| 01:27.58 | |R | well that and receive call which isn't working at the moment ;) |
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| 01:31.22 | esworp | I've got a /ton/ of video media I would like to walk around with on my n800 (not pron, honest!).. what's the most compatible codec/settings for n800 happiness? |
| 01:31.54 | |R | uhm, not too sure, haven't played with that yet... but i guess something at 400x240 in divx would do... |
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| 01:32.08 | |R | you can get mplayer on it too |
| 01:32.15 | |R | so you have two different codec sets to try :) |
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| 01:49.07 | |R | is there a paint program for IT2007? |
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| 02:01.44 | Tb0n3 | I was gonna say gimp lol. how about sketch? |
| 02:03.01 | Tb0n3 | I'm thinkin about installing gentoo |
| 02:03.05 | Tb0n3 | is that a mistake? |
| 02:04.14 | Tb0n3 | mplayer canola and media player aren't playing my xvid files |
| 02:04.15 | Tb0n3 | T_T |
| 02:04.23 | |R | i wouldn't do that unless you like long nights of compilations for no real gain... |
| 02:04.50 | |R | (and want to learn how a system works a bit more, but for that i'd recommend doing a linux from scratch project, much more educational ;) |
| 02:05.34 | Robot101 | you can pull apart any working system and learn a lot about how its put together, without compiling everything... I've never really bought that argument |
| 02:05.45 | Tb0n3 | it was recommended from me by the guy who introduced me to linux and compiled our server kernel |
| 02:05.46 | |R | hehe same here |
| 02:06.04 | Robot101 | I know how this stuff works and I've never done LFS stuff or gentoo |
| 02:06.36 | |R | Robot101: same her |
| 02:06.38 | |R | e |
| 02:07.00 | |R | But i've been on linux since before 1996... |
| 02:07.02 | Tb0n3 | I hear it's bleeding edge |
| 02:07.05 | |R | And other Unix before so whatever :) |
| 02:07.48 | |R | (but then i was pretty young and used my parent's accounts :P) |
| 02:09.41 | Robot101 | vfat can end up marking everything as executable |
| 02:10.17 | |R | that's a reason or a solution? :) |
| 02:10.47 | Robot101 | a reason |
| 02:11.02 | |R | how is that a problem? |
| 02:11.28 | Robot101 | most files on the vfat partition aren't actually executable, so running them is a bad plan |
| 02:12.01 | |R | uh ok, but you don't just go around trying to execute pictures? |
| 02:15.33 | Tb0n3 | so, I noticed somebody further up asked if you can totalbrick your 770 so it's not even flashable |
| 02:15.36 | Tb0n3 | so can you? |
| 02:16.15 | Tb0n3 | yay, gmail is working |
| 02:16.18 | |R | Probably not... |
| 02:17.22 | Tb0n3 | awsome |
| 02:17.35 | Tb0n3 | so I can fux up my 770 as much as I want and always get it back? |
| 02:17.41 | Robot101 | Tb0n3: if you lose power during flashing the bootloader, yes |
| 02:17.46 | Robot101 | but that's a very short period of time |
| 02:17.49 | Tb0n3 | :) |
| 02:18.03 | Tb0n3 | I'll totally fuck with it a lot |
| 02:18.04 | Tb0n3 | :) |
| 02:18.18 | Robot101 | unless you're trying to replace the bootloader or something, anything you do from the kernel up won't brick it |
| 02:18.32 | Robot101 | and even then, nokia service points or anyone with a jig can recover it even if the bootloader is mangled |
| 02:18.32 | |R | Robot101 : so the flash mode while clicking a key and booting isn't built-in somewhere? :( |
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| 02:19.15 | Robot101 | |R: built in where? it has no rom, just flash |
| 02:19.18 | Robot101 | --> flight |
| 02:19.41 | Tb0n3 | a jig? |
| 02:20.44 | |R | damn |
| 02:20.47 | Tb0n3 | kinda like the psp jig kick? |
| 02:20.58 | |R | i thought it would have a "bios" or something for the flash part |
| 02:22.08 | Tb0n3 | I'm thinking I'm going to back up my data on this laptop then go the way of gentoo |
| 02:22.42 | Tb0n3 | wish I knew of a backup utility |
| 02:25.42 | Tb0n3 | the sony psp is a great open device |
| 02:25.56 | Tb0n3 | lulz, dispite sony's best efforts |
| 02:26.39 | Tb0n3 | I would lose so much crap if my 500GB maxtor failed |
| 02:26.42 | Tb0n3 | external |
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| 03:07.20 | Tb0n3 | is there a way to install the n770 mplayer on the os2007he because the n800 one doesn't seem to work at all |
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| 03:18.54 | |R | uhm, it works here... |
| 03:19.08 | |R | xmame/fceu on the other away is acting very strangely :P |
| 03:19.53 | |R | mplayer 1.0rc1-maemo.18.n800 here |
| 03:21.57 | Tb0n3 | hmm, for some reason it won't open the new window to play the video |
| 03:22.22 | Tb0n3 | I've uninstalled and reinstalled, but ah, forgot about apt-get remove mplayer --purge |
| 03:22.27 | Tb0n3 | or is --purge somewhere else |
| 03:25.34 | |R | dpkg --purge |
| 03:25.46 | Tb0n3 | it worked anyhow |
| 03:26.14 | |R | uhm, fceu is really strange, when i click on a button (A/B/select/start) it stretches the screen while i click.. |
| 03:26.17 | |R | really annoying |
| 03:29.02 | Tb0n3 | what's the dpkg reconfigure command? |
| 03:29.14 | Tb0n3 | I thought I remembered dpkg reconfigure -a |
| 03:34.43 | Tb0n3 | dpkg --configure -a |
| 03:34.44 | Tb0n3 | ... |
| 03:36.18 | |R | usually there is a dpkg-reconfigure |
| 03:36.21 | |R | but not on the n800 uhm.. |
| 03:36.42 | |R | nothing in --help ? |
| 03:36.59 | Tb0n3 | I said the one that it told me to do |
| 03:37.01 | Tb0n3 | lol |
| 03:37.08 | Tb0n3 | dpkg --configure -a |
| 03:37.14 | |R | hehe ok :) |
| 03:37.50 | Tb0n3 | and it appears that things installed in apt-get don't get icons |
| 03:37.56 | Tb0n3 | so I don't think they'll work |
| 03:38.03 | Tb0n3 | you can't start uis from cli |
| 03:38.41 | |R | urhm... |
| 03:39.04 | Tb0n3 | what, you can? |
| 03:39.27 | |R | well, when i apt-get something, sometimes it pauses and ... i figure after a while that it's asking on the screen where to put the icon |
| 03:39.34 | |R | so i don't think it's related (it shouldn't be...) |
| 03:40.22 | Tb0n3 | it's pawsing |
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| 03:52.08 | Tb0n3 | well, it wants me to reinstall it before purging it, but I can't install it because it's not in the application manager for instalation and can't instal from apt-get |
| 03:52.09 | Tb0n3 | install* |
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| 04:20.18 | |R | mplayer still? |
| 04:20.27 | imBen | task |
| 04:20.29 | imBen | er |
| 04:21.41 | czr | mornink. |
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| 05:41.49 | |R | anyone know where pidgin stores it's config? mine keeps crashing right after the first screen loads after i configured and toyed a bit with it ... |
| 05:41.52 | czr | meh. finally done with this code. |
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| 07:06.25 | Esben | What is the status of the maemo images that I can build with OpenEmbedded compared to Nokia's maemo images? |
| 07:06.45 | Esben | Are they exactly the same, some features missing, completely different? |
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| 07:29.35 | chris00_297244 | see my ex-girlfriend naked on: www.nackte-ex.de.gg <-my revenge |
| 07:32.16 | ulpe | got to see that ;) |
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| 07:32.30 | |R | haha |
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| 07:32.51 | _pcfe_ | oh FFS now we also get spam on FreeNode |
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| 07:34.49 | ulpe | reminds me of this quote: http://www.bash.org/?7444 |
| 07:35.03 | czr | _pcfe_, now? :-) |
| 07:35.19 | czr | they're not very frequent, but surely they visited this channel before too? |
| 07:35.27 | _pcfe_ | rofl |
| 07:36.21 | _pcfe_ | czr: it was the first I saw in #maemo, then again mostly I only see stuff that triggers a notification and this surely dont. Just had the window in front of me by chace |
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| 07:36.52 | czr | _pcfe_, what, naked doesn't high-light for you? :-) |
| 07:47.11 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 07:48.29 | czr | mornigs jaffa |
| 07:49.16 | solmumaha | morning |
| 07:49.16 | _Monkey | aloha |
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| 08:42.34 | felipec | /opt/scratchbox/tools/bin/dialog: /scratchbox/host_shared/lib/ld.so: bad ELF interpreter: No such file or directory |
| 08:43.29 | felipec | that's with chinook |
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| 09:04.06 | opy | good morning (~ugt) |
| 09:04.18 | opy | pupnik r u here ?? |
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| 09:20.41 | sujan | Hi |
| 09:21.21 | sujan | pupnik: R U there? |
| 09:22.26 | pupnik | ya |
| 09:23.27 | sujan | yesterday we talked about building packages with dependencies |
| 09:24.39 | sujan | now , how can i add sqlite or hildon-fmmm with my packages? |
| 09:24.46 | sujan | Can you help me please? |
| 09:26.27 | pupnik | i don't know but i'm curious to find out so i am googling |
| 09:26.46 | sujan | Oh.... |
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| 09:27.18 | sujan | share with me...If you can find any thing...... I am also looking for |
| 09:27.26 | AD-N770 | good morning |
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| 09:38.01 | pupnik_ | AD-N770: did you ever look at gtk angband and/or tome? |
| 09:39.17 | AD-N770 | pupnik_: no, currently very busy with other aspects of my life |
| 09:39.57 | AD-N770 | gaming is at the bottom of the list, apart some darts in a pub on friday night :) |
| 09:39.58 | pupnik_ | yes - i just noticed angband and tome are very similar in their main sections |
| 09:40.18 | pupnik_ | but iirc nethack is a very different code tree |
| 09:40.33 | pupnik_ | hope the family is doing well :) |
| 09:41.47 | AD-N770 | yes, just a bit nervious waiting to know if will be boy or girl, and I have to paint a room, and I would like to draw a mural on the walls |
| 09:42.54 | AD-N770 | so immersed in creativity limited by the time available after work |
| 09:43.21 | AD-N770 | and pushing other projects to the bottom of the big ToDo list |
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| 09:45.23 | pupnik_ | sure |
| 09:45.31 | pupnik_ | wb lardman |
| 09:45.43 | lardman | hi pupnik_ |
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| 09:58.43 | ulpe | hey! Are there any source code available for games supplied with N800 (Blocks, particulary)? |
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| 10:11.54 | jani | afaik, it is opensource and sourcedeb can be downloaded from apt repository ? |
| 10:12.50 | ulpe | k, I found the sources |
| 10:14.56 | jani | if i may ask, for what do you need'em ? |
| 10:20.00 | ulpe | I'm trying to figure out how to best rotate the whole display to be in portrait mode |
| 10:20.28 | ulpe | but I realized blocks uses SDL |
| 10:20.34 | jani | yep, it does. |
| 10:20.54 | jani | and its not really rotated, it just switches the coords around |
| 10:21.44 | ulpe | currently I'm messing around with XRandR library... |
| 10:24.48 | jani | jahcure kiertue peruttu briteissä |
| 10:25.50 | disq | anybody got the n95 remote? i'd like to test and see if the extra keys are recognized by the n800 |
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| 10:33.41 | jani | wrong chan duh. |
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| 10:34.25 | bansteen | hi everyone |
| 10:34.51 | bansteen | can i install armel.deb packages inside scratchbox |
| 10:35.41 | Veggen | Sure. In the arm target :) |
| 10:35.42 | AD-N770 | bansteen: fakeroot dpkg -i package.deb |
| 10:36.39 | bansteen | sbox-SDK_ARMEL: |
| 10:36.42 | bansteen | here? |
| 10:36.42 | _Monkey | here is why I cant get canola working |
| 10:37.22 | Veggen | bansteen: yes. But did you fix it since yesterday? ;) |
| 10:37.50 | bansteen | ya |
| 10:37.58 | bansteen | i ran apt-get update |
| 10:38.09 | opy | hi bansteen!! |
| 10:38.16 | bansteen | when i try to install deb package it shows this error |
| 10:38.17 | bansteen | dpkg: error processing powermanga_0.8.3_armel.deb (--install): |
| 10:38.17 | bansteen | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:38.17 | bansteen | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 10:38.18 | bansteen | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:38.34 | bansteen | opy: hi jan |
| 10:38.39 | opy | good morning lardman(~ugt) |
| 10:38.53 | bansteen | opy: congratulations |
| 10:39.03 | Veggen | bansteen: hmm...looks like you have made an arm and not an armel target? ;) |
| 10:39.06 | bansteen | opy: what abt my gift |
| 10:39.11 | opy | thank you!!!!!!!!! |
| 10:39.27 | bansteen | whts the diff. bet arm and armel target |
| 10:39.44 | Veggen | two different hardware architectures. |
| 10:40.09 | bansteen | can u plssss help me on this |
| 10:40.27 | AD-N770 | bansteen: http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort |
| 10:40.37 | AD-N770 | is a software difference |
| 10:40.49 | AD-N770 | different ABI convention |
| 10:41.00 | bansteen | so if i want to install powermanga_0.8.3_armel.deb |
| 10:41.07 | bansteen | wht shud i do |
| 10:41.45 | Veggen | bansteen: Make an armel target ;) |
| 10:42.08 | bansteen | from sb-menu? |
| 10:42.26 | AD-N770 | bansteen: last time I've installed following: http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=351 |
| 10:42.30 | lardman | _Monkey: forget here |
| 10:42.30 | _Monkey | lardman: I forgot here |
| 10:42.47 | Veggen | well, long since I did it. But follow the documentation *exactly*. |
| 10:43.12 | lardman | morning opy |
| 10:43.31 | pupnik_ | 1 Dollar = 0.70 euro, 1.41 dollar = 1 euro |
| 10:43.56 | lardman | ~convert $1 to euros |
| 10:44.04 | lardman | ~convert $1 to euro |
| 10:44.10 | lardman | oh well |
| 10:44.12 | czr | eurobot is an invalid unit |
| 10:44.16 | lardman | :) |
| 10:44.18 | czr | infobot even.. |
| 10:44.21 | czr | damn. |
| 10:44.39 | czr | lardman, calculating salaries? |
| 10:44.56 | pupnik_ | Amazon.com Nokia n800 $280, Amazon.de N800 345 euro ($486!!!) |
| 10:44.58 | lardman | yeah, hourly rate working at uni :( |
| 10:45.01 | lardman | ;) |
| 10:45.15 | pupnik_ | Why is nokia 1.7 times more expensive in euro? |
| 10:45.16 | czr | lardman, working at uni does not compute.. :-) |
| 10:45.29 | czr | pupnik_, because it's special nokia euro |
| 10:45.37 | lardman | no, I'm finishing off my contract - was writing up phd |
| 10:45.45 | czr | lardman, ah. cool. |
| 10:45.45 | bansteen | Veggen: i downloaded the maemo os 0.5 |
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| 10:46.38 | bansteen | Veggen: my i 386 target is working fine |
| 10:48.13 | AD-N770 | bansteen: 0.5 ITOS2005 ? |
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| 10:48.55 | bansteen | Maemo-LiveCD-58215 |
| 10:49.25 | AD-N770 | bansteen: IT OS2005 was arm, first armel was version is IT OS2006 |
| 10:50.13 | bansteen | can i install armel.deb there |
| 10:50.49 | bansteen | the truth is before installing or doing anything with maemo, I need to study more abt this things |
| 10:52.02 | AD-N770 | bansteen: according to http://news.softpedia.com/news/Introducing-Maemo-LiveCD-58215.shtml |
| 10:52.21 | AD-N770 | bansteen: known issues: |
| 10:52.26 | AD-N770 | bansteen: • /scratchbox/packages/Maemo_Dev_Platform_RS_v1.0_arm.tgz is unavailable. Therefore, you can't build packages targeting the arm processor running Maemo on Nokia 770. |
| 10:52.50 | bansteen | ya |
| 10:53.06 | bansteen | but me working for n800 |
| 10:53.08 | AD-N770 | bansteen; Maemo v.1.0 was arm v2 is first armel |
| 10:53.16 | bansteen | oh |
| 10:53.30 | bansteen | so i ahve maemo v.1.0 |
| 10:53.35 | bansteen | *have |
| 10:53.52 | AD-N770 | bansteen: I suspect it :) |
| 10:54.05 | bansteen | maemo-sdk-rootstrap_3.1_armel |
| 10:54.10 | bansteen | i have this installed |
| 10:54.39 | AD-N770 | bansteen: which sbox version? |
| 10:55.00 | bansteen | maemo-scratchbox-install_3.1 |
| 10:55.22 | bansteen | i ran programs in i386 |
| 10:55.25 | bansteen | target.. |
| 10:55.32 | bansteen | but none in sbox_armel |
| 10:55.37 | bansteen | should i agian reinstall |
| 10:56.02 | AD-N770 | basteen: the live cd had an old sbox/old maemo fisrt ? |
| 10:56.38 | bansteen | AD-N770: actually now i am in ubuntu |
| 10:56.44 | bansteen | i am not in live cd |
| 10:56.58 | AD-N770 | bansteen: I'm also on ubuntu |
| 10:57.09 | bansteen | so let me again reset all the targets |
| 10:58.20 | bansteen | then try to sart export DISPLAY=:2 |
| 10:58.23 | bansteen | and |
| 10:58.34 | bansteen | af-sb-init.sh start |
| 10:58.49 | bansteen | if the screen comes then my armel target is ok |
| 10:58.51 | bansteen | rightttttttttttttt? |
| 10:59.53 | AD-N770 | bansteen: yes |
| 11:00.15 | bansteen | stay with me bro.. |
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| 11:02.30 | bansteen | AD-N770: it showed a message |
| 11:02.38 | bansteen | deb file:/home/bansteen/maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries_3.1 bora explicit |
| 11:02.49 | bansteen | to add this line in the sources.list |
| 11:02.59 | bansteen | but which sources.list??? |
| 11:03.25 | AD-N770 | bansteen: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:03.34 | bansteen | ubuntu's |
| 11:03.36 | bansteen | got it |
| 11:03.38 | AD-N770 | sbox |
| 11:03.44 | bansteen | hah.. |
| 11:03.49 | bansteen | sbox |
| 11:03.50 | bansteen | ? |
| 11:03.53 | AD-N770 | bansteen: in the targets |
| 11:04.00 | bansteen | ok.. |
| 11:04.04 | bansteen | got it |
| 11:04.41 | bansteen | i really feel ashamed but i am a total novice in this maemo thing |
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| 11:05.18 | AD-N770 | bansteen: read carefully this http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=351 and check your install |
| 11:05.28 | RobHu | I installed the boot menu some time ago on my N800. How can I now remove it? If I reflash the N800 with the new OS will that remvoe the boot menu? I want to return the n800 to it's factory state in other words. |
| 11:06.39 | AD-N770 | bansteen: read also this http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial_bora.html |
| 11:06.55 | bansteen | ok..thnks bro |
| 11:09.15 | lardman | RobHu: yes that will do it |
| 11:11.54 | RobHu | lardman: That's great, thankyou |
| 11:12.33 | lardman | np |
| 11:12.48 | czr | odd. searching for "arm7 crc16 routine" leads to the N800 kernel module build howto.. |
| 11:12.58 | lardman | kulve: some people just don't appear to understand the idea of architectures hey |
| 11:15.29 | kulve | lardman: you're reffering to the mailing list? :) |
| 11:16.15 | czr | heh |
| 11:16.27 | czr | that must be the most traffic on the list I've yet seen. |
| 11:17.14 | pupnik_ | first time i've seen someone wanting to remove the boot menu |
| 11:17.47 | lardman | kulve: yep |
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| 11:24.50 | bansteen | AD-N770:fakeroot dpkg -i powermanga_0.8.3_armel.deb |
| 11:24.50 | bansteen | Selecting previously deselected package powermanga. |
| 11:24.50 | bansteen | (Reading database ... 17157 files and directories currently installed.) |
| 11:24.50 | bansteen | Unpacking powermanga (from powermanga_0.8.3_armel.deb) ... |
| 11:24.50 | bansteen | dpkg: error processing powermanga_0.8.3_armel.deb (--install): |
| 11:24.52 | bansteen | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:24.54 | bansteen | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 11:24.56 | bansteen | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:27.10 | dpb_ | That stuff is so annoying.. Packages should never touch stuff under /home, it isn't their job.. |
| 11:27.12 | lardman | hmm, I didn't think packages were supposed to touch the home directories |
| 11:27.21 | lardman | beat me :) |
| 11:27.31 | dpb_ | some packages do, but they're not supposed to |
| 11:28.19 | lardman | bansteen: create the /home/user directory (within scratchbox) and then copy the files across to your home dir once it's installed |
| 11:28.58 | dpb_ | the thing is you don't have permissions to /home, so you'll have to create and chown it from outside scratchbox.. :) |
| 11:29.12 | lardman | fakeroot? |
| 11:29.21 | dpb_ | nope, /home is owned by root |
| 11:29.22 | AD-N770 | bansteen: outside sbox, sudo ln -s /scratchbox/users/jep/home/jep/ /scratchbox/users/jep/home/user |
| 11:29.38 | AD-N770 | bansteen: change jep for your username |
| 11:29.38 | _Monkey | AD-N770: that doesn't look right |
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| 11:29.59 | lardman | what was _Monkey replying to there I wonder? |
| 11:30.25 | Veggen | Why can't monkey only talk when specifically asked? |
| 11:30.39 | lardman | no idea. |
| 11:30.45 | lardman | who owns/runs him? |
| 11:30.55 | Veggen | bots shouldn't just talk like that. bad practise. |
| 11:31.16 | lardman | _Monkey: go away and don't come bacl |
| 11:31.17 | _Monkey | lardman: i'm not following you... |
| 11:31.28 | dpb_ | s/bacl/back/ |
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| 11:31.32 | lardman | _Monkey: it's because I can't spell |
| 11:31.32 | _Monkey | lardman: i'm not following you... |
| 11:31.43 | czr | aww. I thought monkey was being ironic |
| 11:32.10 | lardman | anthropomorphism hey? |
| 11:32.59 | czr | could easily be |
| 11:36.16 | bansteen | ok bros.. thnks for ur help |
| 11:36.24 | bansteen | this is a great chat room |
| 11:36.31 | bansteen | thnks very much |
| 11:36.32 | bansteen | bye |
| 11:36.38 | czr | this is the bestest char room there is. |
| 11:37.45 | dpb_ | lol |
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| 12:06.48 | RobHu | Does the latest Nokia OS support SDHC? I thought it did but it says "Flash card corrupted" in control panel for the 8GB card |
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| 12:54.17 | jumpula | RobHu: which image do you have? |
| 12:54.25 | jumpula | version, i mean |
| 12:54.56 | jumpula | sounds like that you've encountered the famous memory-card-trashing-problem |
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| 14:13.18 | Blacksitox | hi |
| 14:13.18 | _Monkey | what's up, Blacksitox |
| 14:13.50 | Blacksitox | hi _Monkey |
| 14:14.09 | pupnik_ | pipeline's doing great work on the quake 1 port |
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| 14:18.13 | sbz | hi |
| 14:21.25 | pupnik | hi sbz |
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| 14:26.49 | pupnik | anyone with a n800 want to try pingus? |
| 14:27.47 | Tak|work | hey pupnik - did you ever get that gngeo port going? |
| 14:28.19 | pupnik | no gngeo on my drive |
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| 14:34.21 | pupnik | compact programming: the entire graphics set from the game 'Exile': http://exile.acornarcade.com/images/bbcsource.gif |
| 14:39.00 | Tak|work | hah |
| 14:40.29 | pupnik | did you see the 256-byte demos i linked? |
| 14:41.12 | Tak|work | no |
| 14:41.26 | pupnik | http://www.256b.com/demo/225 |
| 14:42.01 | pupnik | runs ok on dosbox and a fast PC (~20k cycles) |
| 14:45.49 | flip^ | pingus? |
| 14:45.50 | _Monkey | pingus is a free lemmings clone - currently seeking testers http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9794 - /msg pupnik to test |
| 14:46.23 | flip^ | i'll test it on an n800 (albeit maybe not this second as i'm at work, but i can get it installed if you like) |
| 14:46.41 | TPC | _Monkey, what licence is it under? |
| 14:46.42 | _Monkey | tpc: i don't know |
| 14:47.01 | TPC | _Monkey, that was a fast response, are you a bot? |
| 14:47.02 | _Monkey | tpc: no idea |
| 14:47.08 | TPC | so, yes, thats a bot |
| 14:47.21 | zoran | TPC, do you realy liek to talk to bots? |
| 14:47.34 | TPC | zoran, not really |
| 14:48.00 | pupnik | http://pupnik.de/pingus.html instructions there should be sufficient |
| 14:48.14 | pupnik | i'm particularly curious if the game slows down after ~12-20 pingus released on n800 |
| 14:49.10 | TPC | I would help test, but don't have time today |
| 14:49.26 | pupnik | np - no hurry |
| 14:50.52 | flip^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:52.56 | Tak|work | yes, it would be nice if pupnik would provide nice deb packages for things ;-) |
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| 14:53.43 | lardman | perhaps pupnik needs a nice script to do the packaging, lardman certainly does |
| 14:54.03 | Tak|work | whatever happened to mud-builder? |
| 14:54.24 | celesteh | mud-builder? |
| 14:54.24 | _Monkey | somebody said mud-builder was "Maemo Unofficial Debs" - an autobuilder for simple source ports that hosts them in a single repository. http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org/index.php Forum at http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10279 |
| 14:54.28 | pupnik | was just testing it - automating things ppl don't understand is always dicey |
| 14:54.58 | Tak|work | dh_make is pretty straightforward in any case |
| 14:55.00 | pupnik | but there's no point in an end-user package for pingus right now as it's not playable on 770 |
| 14:55.10 | lardman | I'm more tempted to add an OE target, and use the existing toolchain, binutils and libc, etc. |
| 14:55.21 | lardman | then just bitbake world and see what comes out |
| 14:55.41 | dpryo | shit in, shit out |
| 14:55.59 | zoran | in a first moment I thought nokia would set mud-builder to receive source as input ans spit binary as the answer |
| 14:56.01 | lardman | yes, but I was planning on feeding it something useful ;) |
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| 15:00.40 | flip^ | can't find libsdl... |
| 15:01.00 | flip^ | aha, libsdl1.2 |
| 15:06.10 | Tak|work | I hear you - I've been on hiatus |
| 15:11.14 | pupnik | dpkg -X pingus_0.7.1-1_armel.deb . |grep bin/pingus |
| 15:11.15 | pupnik | ./usr/bin/pingus |
| 15:11.35 | flip^ | aha, not /usr/games |
| 15:12.32 | pupnik | there is a hack to enable execute on mmc - I'm considering making a package that enables mmc execute and symlinks /usr/local to /media/mmc1/local |
| 15:12.49 | pupnik | that way we could package games to install to /usr/local |
| 15:12.54 | czr | pupnik, what does the hack do? |
| 15:12.57 | czr | modify fstab? |
| 15:13.00 | pupnik | and if people had the mmc link hack enabled, they would all reside on mmc |
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| 15:14.05 | zoran | like : ln -s /media/mmc1/games/ /bin/game ? |
| 15:14.58 | pupnik | and there'd be no more need to have ppl use the command line when installing big games to the tablet |
| 15:15.02 | pupnik | yes ln-s |
| 15:15.16 | zoran | :) |
| 15:17.40 | pupnik | try pingus -f --fast-mode ... media is in /usr/share/games/pingus |
| 15:18.01 | pupnik | i'll be moving that to /usr/local/share/games/pingus in next version |
| 15:19.23 | pupnik | if it is somewhere else, start pingus from the pingus share directory - i.e. ./usr/share/games/pingus |
| 15:20.52 | flip^ | i'll have a go in a mo |
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| 15:24.06 | biggs | hello all |
| 15:24.12 | biggs | big fan... |
| 15:25.13 | RobHu | jumpula: I /had/ (it's in the post now) the latest nokia image. The card was either unflashed or flashed with ext3. I formated it with vfat and it worked. |
| 15:26.08 | jumpula | the latest image should (supposedly) fix issues with the memory card corruption |
| 15:26.12 | flip^ | pupnik: installing in the default location seems to have upset it over the location of the data files |
| 15:26.35 | jumpula | supposedly in this case means if i remember correctly :) |
| 15:26.54 | RobHu | If you put in an unformatted card should you be prompted to have it formated? |
| 15:26.58 | flip^ | pupnik: i'll have a fiddle a bit later and see if i can get things in locations where it'll find them and actually launch |
| 15:27.08 | RobHu | I couldn't see a way to do that so I installed xterm and dropbear and did it myself |
| 15:27.36 | pupnik | flip^: are you launching from command-line or menu? |
| 15:28.02 | jumpula | i have a vague mental image about a warning displayed in the device's screen if the card was unformatted or corrupted |
| 15:28.14 | flip^ | menu just didn't do anything obvious. command line through errors checking for file /usr/bin/media/mmc1/share/pingus/data//date/core.res |
| 15:28.30 | flip^ | that really doesn't look like a nice location ;) |
| 15:28.36 | flip^ | it failed on a few other things after that |
| 15:28.41 | flip^ | /usr/bin/data/data/core.res |
| 15:28.45 | flip^ | and data/data/core.res |
| 15:28.51 | flip^ | No base path found |
| 15:29.03 | pupnik | sorry then i goofed |
| 15:29.20 | flip^ | it does suggest using a --datadir option though |
| 15:31.03 | RobHu | jumpula: I looked at memory in control panel and it just said it was corrupted. That might be because it had a valid partition table but the kernel didn't have ext3 loaded perhaps. |
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| 15:33.09 | jumpula | might be |
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| 15:34.00 | RobHu | It would be sensible to assume that something with a partition table was formatted already, and something without one wasn't |
| 15:34.11 | RobHu | and if you can't read the partitions probably something is wrong with the card |
| 15:34.39 | biggs | guys.. i have a question.. I followed instructions on making my 800 boot up as root. the only problem with that is now i cannot use the application manager to install applications |
| 15:34.47 | biggs | is there a way of doing booth? |
| 15:34.51 | biggs | both* |
| 15:35.10 | ||cw | RobHu: just so you know, and maybe you do, formating a card with ext3 causes twice the writes and so will wear out the card twice as fast |
| 15:35.14 | biggs | I remebered that I changed user:29999:29999 and change to user :0:0 |
| 15:35.41 | biggs | and also root: /root and change to root: /home/user/ |
| 15:35.46 | ||cw | biggs: why do you need it to run as root? |
| 15:36.09 | biggs | because I have written a program that can only run as root |
| 15:36.28 | biggs | and i didn't want to have to type sudo gainroot everytime I ran it |
| 15:36.37 | biggs | which is everytime my 800 starts up |
| 15:36.55 | ||cw | add it to sudoers |
| 15:37.03 | RobHu | ||cw: Yes, but it's journalled and I get the impression that write leveling / the lifetime of the card makes this not matter so much. Although I suppose if you don't have write leveling and the journal remains in one place it's a problem |
| 15:37.15 | RobHu | Although, I now don't have a N800 this is a bit academic for me :P |
| 15:37.26 | biggs | what do i add to sudoers? |
| 15:37.53 | zoran | could you roll back all you wrote regarding root? |
| 15:39.06 | biggs | zoran* are you speaking to me? |
| 15:39.23 | ||cw | biggs: copy the gainroot line and add your binary |
| 15:39.27 | zoran | if you changed root options |
| 15:39.50 | biggs | could you be a bit more specific.... |
| 15:39.53 | zoran | user id is 299999 |
| 15:40.01 | biggs | ||cw |
| 15:40.03 | zoran | root is low numbered |
| 15:40.15 | ||cw | biggs: vi /etc/sudoers and look at it |
| 15:40.20 | zoran | nokia uses sudo to go around install etc |
| 15:40.31 | biggs | ok thanks... i will take a look now |
| 15:40.34 | biggs | apopreciate it |
| 15:40.57 | zoran | and change MODE=enable # in gainroot file |
| 15:40.58 | _Monkey | zoran: that doesn't look right |
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| 15:41.15 | zoran | hurah! |
| 15:42.35 | zoran | biggs, you could always set 755 to the file and exec it as whoever |
| 15:43.08 | ||cw | with suid |
| 15:43.17 | ||cw | sudo is cleaner in the long run |
| 15:43.38 | |R | SUID anyone? :P |
| 15:44.29 | zoran | me, please |
| 15:44.37 | |R | ~ |
| 15:44.49 | |R | oops :) |
| 15:45.12 | ||cw | i'm on a suid free diet, my personal trainer, ubuntu, doens't allow it |
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| 15:45.20 | |R | hehe |
| 15:47.13 | zoran | fine way would be to completely separate root and user |
| 15:47.48 | zoran | just user cannot run su |
| 15:48.59 | ||cw | I think you just need to add /bin/sh to sudoers and you can "sudo -i" which is the new "su -" |
| 15:49.58 | zoran | hm, I don't have sudo on my box and live without it happily |
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| 15:53.28 | czr | or you could just write your own C wrapper that launches a shell and then set SUID to it (I have one ready if you really want it) |
| 15:54.13 | czr | or if you want to be extra sneaky, SGID ;-) |
| 15:54.21 | zoran | hm, I would like to trim all down to fit 770 memory |
| 15:54.59 | zoran | (if it concerns me) |
| 16:00.16 | |R | anyone got bash and/or tar installed without it asking to remove basically everything you have installed before? |
| 16:00.29 | |R | And then, can you replace the default shell... |
| 16:00.57 | |R | i know busybox provides a lot though, some tools might be missing, like sed or whatever |
| 16:01.18 | zoran | IR, I had to reflash for chsh |
| 16:01.39 | zoran | I stupidly changed /etc/shells file |
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| 16:18.55 | |R | zoran : you mean it works with chsh? or it breaks any way you do it? :) |
| 16:19.36 | zoran | |R, breaks!!!!!!!! |
| 16:19.46 | zoran | I made a mistake, you know |
| 16:20.04 | zoran | I installed bahs in /usr/bin/bash |
| 16:20.14 | zoran | and changed /etc/shells accouringly |
| 16:20.35 | zoran | so, it went into the circle |
| 16:20.55 | zoran | chsh works on all unices I know |
| 16:21.29 | |R | arg /: |
| 16:22.10 | zoran | but I found the way to get rid of path in prompt |
| 16:23.54 | zoran | and I tried out to change it via osso-xterm.desktop |
| 16:25.16 | zoran | btw, someone uses bash running as default |
| 16:25.21 | zoran | ? |
| 16:31.07 | |R | i guess i should just extract it somewhere to get the binary and use it for scripts only... like ruby or python |
| 16:31.26 | |R | that's too bad, busybox is a p.i.t.a. ;) |
| 16:31.36 | |R | (a well done one though :P) |
| 16:32.10 | zoran | |R, bash? |
| 16:34.40 | pupnik | bsd nvi is a great vi replacement |
| 16:35.03 | |R | zoran: yep |
| 16:35.09 | zoran | k, anyway vi on busybox is not so bad |
| 16:35.19 | |R | i installed vim, it's my second OS :P |
| 16:35.30 | zoran | |R, you could install bash and call it via "$bash" |
| 16:35.41 | pupnik | busybox vi is missing core commands and has display bugs |
| 16:35.43 | zoran | $ bahs |
| 16:35.48 | zoran | $ bash |
| 16:35.54 | |R | zoran: yeah i know, it's just that the package conflicts with everything... so i'd have to extract it |
| 16:35.56 | zoran | uh, what typos |
| 16:36.11 | zoran | no, you need bash-m |
| 16:36.28 | |R | ok, what's that? :) |
| 16:36.43 | zoran | the same, but differently named |
| 16:36.56 | zoran | busybox calls out for "bash" |
| 16:37.29 | zoran | I had it installed and fired up with " $ bash " |
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| 16:37.37 | zoran | worked |
| 16:37.54 | zoran | and I wanted to have it as default |
| 16:38.05 | zoran | and what a fun I had then |
| 16:38.18 | |R | hehe |
| 16:38.34 | zoran | I walked around almost mad |
| 16:38.53 | zoran | and screemed secret words |
| 16:38.54 | |R | i can imagine |
| 16:39.13 | zoran | 3.2006.49 looks fine to me |
| 16:39.14 | |R | after having setup the device for many hours, I'd be pretty mad to screw things up right now :P |
| 16:39.29 | |R | i'm using the latest 2007 release though... |
| 16:39.37 | zoran | on 770? |
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| 16:39.58 | |R | n800 here |
| 16:40.08 | zoran | ah, you lucky guy! |
| 16:40.08 | |R | just got it last week |
| 16:40.13 | |R | hehe :) |
| 16:40.25 | zoran | 770 is fine with me |
| 16:40.35 | zoran | little memory footprint... |
| 16:40.43 | zoran | but I use console apps anyway |
| 16:41.02 | |R | yeah, i don't know what i'll be doing the most yet ... |
| 16:41.28 | |R | i need to find a VPN ipsec client for 2007/n800 |
| 16:41.41 | |R | i'm not sure vpnc works, i'm looking into it :) |
| 16:41.46 | zoran | I saw openvps or something |
| 16:41.53 | zoran | *vpn |
| 16:42.13 | |R | googlin' :) |
| 16:42.59 | |R | uhm, i'm find a maemo2 not 3 one... |
| 16:43.09 | Tak|work | zoran: no 2007HE? |
| 16:43.30 | zoran | I am modest guy |
| 16:43.38 | zoran | I would kill me |
| 16:43.44 | zoran | all that happiness |
| 16:44.15 | zoran | seriously, I've heard HE is a little bit bloated |
| 16:44.41 | zoran | think I will remove bt modules from rc2 |
| 16:45.44 | zoran | I have my little world of mutt, getmail, rawdog, poppy, links... |
| 16:46.05 | zoran | fast as on desktop box |
| 16:46.29 | zoran | and a gem called smtppush |
| 16:50.23 | Tak|work | I don't notice much difference, bloatwise |
| 16:50.23 | zoran | seems that openvpn is available for 800 too |
| 16:50.51 | zoran | Tak|work, have I missed something |
| 16:51.26 | |R | zoran : maemo3 ? |
| 16:51.36 | zoran | 49 works better for me than 39 |
| 16:51.52 | zoran | |R, dunno |
| 16:53.22 | pupnik | what's the ls option that shows real size of sparse files again |
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| 16:55.35 | zoran | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:55.43 | zoran | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:56.10 | zoran | uh, buffer in xterm lives it's own life |
| 16:56.27 | ssam | i signed up for an account on maemo.org, but i can't log in to edit the wiki |
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| 16:58.22 | zoran | pupnik, or -hl ? |
| 16:58.38 | pupnik | nope |
| 16:58.49 | zoran | sparse == thin ? |
| 16:58.55 | zoran | small files? |
| 16:59.24 | pupnik | maybe i'm misremembering that there was a way to do it |
| 16:59.28 | Tak|work | du -sh ? |
| 16:59.33 | pupnik | yes du will show |
| 17:00.00 | zoran | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:00.01 | zoran | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:00.07 | czr | ssam, not many can at the moment. seems there is some problem on the website |
| 17:00.24 | pupnik | zoran sparse files report more disk usage in ls output than they really take up |
| 17:00.35 | zoran | aha |
| 17:00.44 | czr | pupnik, assuming that the underlying fs supports sparse files |
| 17:00.57 | Tak|work | hah, I can't wait until I see the size of some file on my system in petabytes |
| 17:01.14 | ssam | czr, ok thanks |
| 17:01.19 | zoran | I read this days to manage that |
| 17:01.20 | czr | Tak|work, neither can I. since that would mean that linux filesystems would scale at last. |
| 17:02.01 | zoran | september linux journal, I think |
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| 17:07.24 | pupnik | http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/dev_now.html << that's a productive spare-time game developer |
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| 17:16.15 | flip^ | pupnik: did you work out why pingus would't launch? |
| 17:16.34 | pupnik | launches here - did you try starting from the game data dir? |
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| 18:08.50 | nunyabizn | is anyone running openvpn on the new firmware? |
| 18:10.13 | Tak|work | hmm - anyone got a good way to conditionally use hildon widgets in a glade project? |
| 18:12.48 | pancake | anyone playing with vala and hildon bindings? |
| 18:13.16 | Tak|work | pancake: I looked at it a little - vala's extremely immature |
| 18:13.29 | Tak|work | and undocumented |
| 18:14.40 | pancake | Tak|work: i've been writting a serious application with Vala |
| 18:14.56 | pancake | and works pretty fine for me, the bugs I have reported have been fixed in less than one week |
| 18:15.06 | pancake | and documentation is senseless (for me) |
| 18:15.18 | pancake | but i was curious about the hildon bindings |
| 18:16.25 | pancake | i know that there'r some tricks to make't work properly, but is far more stable than I have expected for a 0.1 version |
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| 18:21.03 | Tak|work | that's cool |
| 18:21.11 | Tak|work | does it have exception handling yet? |
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| 18:45.56 | |R | anyone get this with rtcomm connected to asterisk on their LAN ? |
| 18:46.06 | |R | i can call but it doesn't ring on incoming calls.. |
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| 18:51.51 | Tak|work | sounds like a useful feature ;-) |
| 18:52.30 | pancake | yup it does (the exception handler) |
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| 18:55.48 | cosmo | hmm, this would be nice with maemo & keyboard & mouse: http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/21/samsungs-19-inch-syncmaster-940ux-lcd-picks-usb/ |
| 18:58.51 | Tak|work | pancake: ahh - when I was looking at it, I tried putting a try/catch in my code, and the compiler segfaulted ;-) |
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| 19:12.01 | sp3000 | oops |
| 19:12.10 | sp3000 | why am I reading all the retarded comments on that |
| 19:14.35 | pancake | hehe |
| 19:14.38 | pancake | try the svn ;) |
| 19:21.49 | flip^ | pupnik: i got pingus to run :) |
| 19:23.30 | pupnik | yeey |
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| 19:24.18 | flip^ | took --datadir and some fiddling (though much of the fiddling would have been uncessary if i'd guessed the right datadir to start with |
| 19:24.53 | pupnik | yah .. i think you'll see that it's an excellent game for the tablet |
| 19:25.02 | pupnik | dpad to move screen around |
| 19:25.20 | pupnik | do you have swap enabled? |
| 19:25.35 | flip^ | that just made it a little more excellent ;) it was getting clunky moving the pointer to the edge of the screen for moving the screen about |
| 19:25.43 | flip^ | yeah, i have swap enabled - have no shortage of mmc space atm |
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| 19:25.53 | flip^ | and it runs fine... no slowdown with 20 on the screen |
| 19:26.52 | pupnik | ok two more: do you get a lag before panning with dpad |
| 19:27.01 | pupnik | and do you get a long lag after completing a level? |
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| 19:29.13 | flip^ | dpad panning is fine... there's a little lag transitioning into levels after ticking the box to start, and after completnig a level |
| 19:29.18 | flip^ | but its no more than a second or two |
| 19:29.57 | pupnik | sheez, it's like 25 seconds on 770 |
| 19:31.26 | flip^ | well, maybe 3 or 4... but its really not very long |
| 19:31.30 | flip^ | certainly playable on a n800 |
| 19:31.33 | pupnik | that's all good |
| 19:32.08 | flip^ | the transitions (where it cuts from the centre of the screen to the map, or whatever) are a bit jerky, but not slow |
| 19:32.27 | pupnik | those can be easily disabled |
| 19:32.38 | flip^ | map to description of level takes about 8 seconds |
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| 19:32.52 | flip^ | 5 seconds from description to get into the level itself |
| 19:33.03 | pupnik | thanks - great feedback |
| 19:33.10 | pupnik | nice to hear it's so fast |
| 19:33.46 | flip^ | its a little irritating having to double tap pingus to get them to do things, but i guess it'd be useful when you want to know what one of them is without actually assigning a command |
| 19:33.51 | pupnik | that's like 5-7 times faster than on 77 |
| 19:34.15 | pupnik | yes that's a game-design decision by grumbel |
| 19:34.45 | pupnik | it's very difficult to click on the correct pingu when things are heavily lagged |
| 19:34.57 | flip^ | completing that level (the bashers one) seemed to take longer, maybe almost 10 seconds from level complete to summary of success... but i may have overcuonted a little |
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| 19:37.15 | pupnik | i'll spend some time this week on it, getting libboost into the .deb package and moving the install dir to /usr/local |
| 19:38.23 | pupnik | testing it here is difficult, as it locks up pretty frequently |
| 19:38.31 | flip^ | out of interest, on the description/summary screens, is all the text meant to fit inside the green box? |
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| 19:38.54 | pupnik | yes, the pingus devs know about the problem |
| 19:39.02 | flip^ | ah ok |
| 19:39.11 | flip^ | seems ok on a level with all the snow falling too |
| 19:39.31 | pupnik | you running with --fast-mode? |
| 19:39.45 | flip^ | nope |
| 19:39.51 | pupnik | graaah |
| 19:39.53 | flip^ | i forgot about that this time |
| 19:40.03 | flip^ | graaah? |
| 19:40.03 | pupnik | and it's still smooth? |
| 19:40.20 | pupnik | without --fast it's completely unplayable on 770 |
| 19:40.23 | flip^ | with all the snow its ever so slightly jerky, but doesn't feel slowed down at all |
| 19:40.35 | pupnik | holy crap that's awesome |
| 19:40.59 | flip^ | from the graaah i thought i'd done something wrong :P |
| 19:41.34 | flip^ | whats -f do? or is that just --fast-mode shortened |
| 19:41.42 | pupnik | fullscreen |
| 19:41.54 | flip^ | oh, it seemed to do that without me asking it to |
| 19:41.58 | pupnik | i think i changed it to go fullscreen by default |
| 19:42.42 | pupnik | when you played the level without fast mode, did you see a colored or a black background? |
| 19:43.29 | flip^ | um... i'll have to go try in a sec... i didn't really look |
| 19:43.36 | flip^ | heh heh, fast mode is quite nippy, isn't it |
| 19:43.57 | flip^ | not sure i could touch the pingus fast enough to get them to do what i want |
| 19:44.14 | flip^ | hmm, that doesn't sound right reading it back >.< |
| 19:45.17 | flip^ | the transitions seem a little slower in fast mode, if anything, but that might just be that the later levels are more complex and therefore the lag from level summary > level increases with later levels |
| 19:46.03 | flip^ | the float/bash level certainly takes ages from pressing OK before the level starts |
| 19:47.49 | flip^ | background in non-fast-mode appears black - no colour |
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| 19:49.13 | flip^ | ooh, the level with snow (level 5) also has water at the bottom |
| 19:51.48 | flip^ | it does, understandably, appear to be a cpu hog, so probably would eat battery for breakfast |
| 19:53.25 | pupnik | well |
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| 19:54.02 | pupnik | i am nearly always playing/using cpu-hogs so.. that's normal behavior for me |
| 19:55.10 | flip^ | oh, it doesn't bother me... i stay on mains power most of the time. thought it worth a note tho |
| 19:55.40 | flip^ | anyway, time for me to relocate from work to home... happy to offer any more feedback later :) |
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| 20:11.32 | Atarii | konttori! |
| 20:11.32 | _Monkey | i think konttori is receptive to patches in disq's experience, i think he's just a little preoccupied |
| 20:11.40 | konttori | hi |
| 20:11.41 | _Monkey | niihau, konttori |
| 20:11.41 | Atarii | lol thats weird timing |
| 20:11.48 | konttori | what's up? |
| 20:11.58 | Atarii | im having problems with 1.7 of ukmp |
| 20:12.08 | konttori | ah... and I'm fixing it at the moment. |
| 20:12.12 | Atarii | :D |
| 20:12.14 | konttori | a coincidence as well |
| 20:12.18 | Atarii | awesome ill leave u too it :p |
| 20:12.24 | konttori | no probs |
| 20:12.26 | Atarii | to* |
| 20:12.30 | konttori | what did you have the problem with |
| 20:12.37 | konttori | I'm probably not fixing that atm |
| 20:12.43 | konttori | so,, I could try to fix it |
| 20:12.51 | Atarii | the album display is weird |
| 20:12.58 | Atarii | not sure if its meant to be how it is |
| 20:14.14 | konttori | what do you mean? |
| 20:14.56 | disq | _Monkey: forget konttori |
| 20:14.57 | _Monkey | disq: I forgot konttori |
| 20:15.01 | Atarii | it only displays one album, but its far off the left side of the screen so i cant click it anyways |
| 20:15.05 | Atarii | hard to explain :p |
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| 20:15.30 | konttori | ahh... yeah, if you have too few albums, that happens |
| 20:15.40 | konttori | I'll try to fix that immediately. Hold on. |
| 20:15.48 | Atarii | ok thanks :) |
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| 20:18.45 | konttori | ahh... there we go. Now it should be fixed. |
| 20:19.08 | konttori | I'll fix a few other things as well and put the version to garage in a sec (read 5 mins) |
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| 20:27.30 | konttori | ok. I'll test it on the device now and then upload |
| 20:31.33 | Atarii | :D |
| 20:36.35 | konttori | hey, it's there now. |
| 20:36.36 | konttori | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/2284/UKMP-1.70Alpha5.deb |
| 20:37.24 | Atarii | awesome thanks |
| 20:37.27 | konttori | How come you don't have more than a few albums on the device anyway? Put a few dozen albums in there right now ! ;) |
| 20:37.36 | Atarii | :O yes sir! |
| 20:37.53 | konttori | I've modified the UI a bit, so please comment on that if you have the time to try it out |
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| 20:43.11 | Jiten | I was wondering, is the blue led N800:s directional pad actually used for anything useful anywhere? |
| 20:43.44 | konttori | nope |
| 20:43.59 | konttori | i think it was intended as a notifier (like you have new message) |
| 20:44.06 | konttori | or something like that |
| 20:44.18 | Jiten | I got the impression that you can control it's brightness since it slowly lights up when you start up the device |
| 20:44.48 | Atarii | how do u change the os2007 menu to large size? |
| 20:45.01 | pupnik | select a 12 pt font |
| 20:45.03 | pupnik | theme |
| 20:45.07 | pupnik | er 14 pt |
| 20:45.08 | Jiten | so, why not use it to indicate how fast the system is churning through it's battery :) |
| 20:45.16 | Atarii | is that the only way? |
| 20:45.44 | konttori | Jiten: could well be |
| 20:45.54 | Atarii | i like the new back button konttori :p |
| 20:46.36 | Atarii | UI seems a lot more responsive also |
| 20:47.56 | Jiten | anyway, I guess I'll continue getting the SDK running. I'm a bit mixed on whether to install chinook sdk beta or bora sdk. |
| 20:48.40 | roope | oh. :) i need to see that tomorrow. |
| 20:48.46 | konttori | thanks. the back button is from roope |
| 20:48.51 | Jiten | I'm thinking of porting (well, more like rewrite of the UI, since the original is pyqt) this flashcard program called mnemosyne. |
| 20:49.04 | konttori | but the theme is still the same old black stuff, not your new one roope |
| 20:49.16 | roope | ok. well, i've been still iterating on it. |
| 20:49.24 | roope | i made a even better one today etc. :) |
| 20:49.27 | Atarii | 2 things, is there a pause button and also is there an exit button? |
| 20:49.29 | konttori | I'm closer to being able to start the theme as well. |
| 20:49.41 | konttori | just press dpad middle to pause |
| 20:49.59 | konttori | press (and keep pressed) back button to exit. |
| 20:50.15 | konttori | I will add a way to have exit later. Just not yet. |
| 20:50.38 | Atarii | k, thats wat i did to exit, maybe have the back icon as exit, if you are on the main screen |
| 20:50.45 | Atarii | with a confirmation popup |
| 20:52.00 | konttori | Maybe something along that line. |
| 20:58.43 | Jiten | no-one has an opinion as to whether I should port this program to chinook or bora? |
| 20:59.51 | Atarii | bora |
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| 21:05.35 | TPC | win 37 |
| 21:05.38 | TPC | oops |
| 21:05.47 | Atarii | ssh'ing into the nokia is so sexy, why havnt i done this before! |
| 21:09.06 | roope | Ei ne ymmärrä, että mitä niiden graffojen pitäisi tehdä. |
| 21:09.09 | roope | oops. :) |
| 21:11.23 | zeenix | roope: niin! ei ne ymmärrä :) |
| 21:11.45 | roope | Never mind. :) |
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| 21:24.04 | suposs | Hi guys. Just got my hands on a 770, and I was wondering if I should go with OS 2006 or the Hacker Edition 2007. What are the biggest improvements in HE compared to 2006, and what doesn't work |
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| 21:32.20 | Atarii | suposs check out http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums |
| 21:32.23 | Jaffa | suposs: no idea, I'm afraid. There are a fair few threads about it on ITT |
| 21:32.29 | Atarii | :p |
| 21:32.40 | pupnik | i say you should stay with 2006 until you are quite familiar with the 770 |
| 21:33.15 | Atarii | ooo controversial |
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| 21:34.30 | suposs | I should say that I'm just planning to use it for sooling around, no mission critical stuff :) |
| 21:35.03 | suposs | s/sooling/fooling |
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| 21:35.04 | Atarii | i personally had 2006 for bout 2 days before upgrading to 2007 |
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| 21:35.27 | suposs | Atarii: And stuff generally works? |
| 21:36.04 | Atarii | yea no major problems so far |
| 21:36.13 | Atarii | i find it more responsive also |
| 21:36.37 | Atarii | maybe u should put 2006 on first, just so you can see the difference with 2007 |
| 21:36.50 | flip^ | there's a page on maemo.org somewhere (i think) that says what the 'issues' are... aside from those issues, i think 2007 is meant to be ok on a 770 |
| 21:37.10 | flip^ | not that i have any way of actually knowing |
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| 21:38.32 | Lateralus | Is there a way to poll the internet connectivity status using coniciap other than using the "statistics" signal and checking something like the signal strength? I was doing an rpc call of ICD_DBUS_STATE_REQ on the service bus, but it looks like ICD_DBUS_STATE_REQ has disappeared. Atleast, my compiler thinks it's undeclared, and I can't find anything about it being moved to another header file. |
| 21:46.45 | disq | Lateralus: use libconic. see maemo documentation at maemo.org for details |
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| 21:53.34 | Lateralus | disq: I'm attempting to use libconic, and I'm reading the documentation. I see no (good) method to determine if an iap is currently connected. Is using the statistics signal recommended, is there a better way? The con_ic_connection_statistics requires an iap id, I don't really care which, and would not want to poll them all, I just want to know if any are connected. |
| 21:54.10 | disq | Lateralus: see maemoscrobbler sourcecode |
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| 21:55.32 | Lateralus | disq: Checking it out now, thanks for your help |
| 21:55.51 | disq | scrobblerd.c :) |
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| 22:07.02 | Lateralus | disq: Perhaps I am missing something, I only see you registering a connection-event handler and then attempting to open a connection. I want to check for the availability of a connection and set the initial state of my daemon based on that. Nokia frowns on applications requesting connections when they start. |
| 22:08.00 | disq | you are. it is silent |
| 22:08.08 | Lateralus | Yes, I just looked up the enum value |
| 22:08.11 | Lateralus | thanks! |
| 22:08.25 | Lateralus | I'll read before asking next time :) |
| 22:08.44 | disq | remember to add libconic0 to the dependency list. nokia 770 doesn't have it installed by default (though it's available) |
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| 23:10.22 | Jiten | is it supposed to be possible to get this SD-card out of this external slot on n800? the quick start sheet tells me that I should just pull it out, the problem is, there is nothing I can get a hold of. |
| 23:11.25 | disq | fingernails do work. |
| 23:11.31 | _pcfe_ | Jiten: the slot has no eject mechanice |
| 23:12.01 | _pcfe_ | Jiten: the card _should_ have an indent on one side where you can latch a fingernail in |
| 23:13.00 | _pcfe_ | Jiten: otherwise use pliers (fine pliers, not rought big stuff, preferably borrow something from the beauty case of wife/girlfriend/sister/mother |
| 23:13.17 | pupnik | stop biting fingernails |
| 23:14.45 | Jiten | nope, can't find an indentation to fit my fingernail in |
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| 23:22.26 | Jiten | I guess I'm not getting this card out. At least not today. |
| 23:23.49 | suposs | what's the easiest/best way to get a root account on 2007HE? |
| 23:25.03 | Jiten | ok, after investigating another card from the same manufacturer, there is an indent, but it's way too shallow to be of any use. |
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| 23:28.21 | pupnik | gainroot? |
| 23:28.22 | _Monkey | i heard gainroot was a quick howto to become root here http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_BecomeRoot and more information is here http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowDoiBecomeRoot |
| 23:28.27 | pupnik | ^^jiten |
| 23:29.42 | Jiten | ok, manager to slip the microSD out of this adapter with pliers :P |
| 23:29.46 | Jiten | managed even |
| 23:31.09 | Jiten | ok, got it out finally. I'm going to be rather careful about putting cards in this slow from now on :P |
| 23:34.23 | pupnik | nokia to release another n-gage ... |
| 23:37.23 | Jiten | ok, this 128MB one that was in the package comes out quite easily. |
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| 23:39.30 | gla55 | pupnik: link? if you're referring to a specific device rather than to the platform |
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| 23:41.58 | Tb0n3 | lulz |
| 23:42.04 | pupnik | sorry lost it - from an ngage site |
| 23:42.22 | Tb0n3 | I rm /bin -rf and thought I fucked it up beyond repair cause the flash wasn't working |
| 23:42.31 | Tb0n3 | but then I finally tried the power cord |
| 23:42.32 | pupnik | gla55: i am looking to replace some pentium-based timer using rdtsc with something else... have you seen anyone do that before? :) |
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| 23:43.18 | gla55 | pupnik: sorry i'm quite useless unless the question is about j2me or symbian c++ |
| 23:43.47 | pupnik | heh.. ok here's some arm code to emulate rdtsc function (as a diff) https://mail.rtai.org/pipermail/rtai/2004-February/006579.html |
| 23:44.11 | pupnik | ooo i know where i can look |
| 23:44.35 | gla55 | there's a bunch of devices that are "ngage" now, n95, n81 etc, well actually they put the ngage brand on some earlier phones boxes too but they havent managed to get the online platform out untill maybe in recent future |
| 23:45.17 | pupnik | yeah it's too bad. ibut they have a lot invested in symbian so it's understandable |
| 23:45.42 | gla55 | it's too bad they havent had the brains to put proper pads |
| 23:45.57 | gla55 | hw wise they're quite powerful for games |
| 23:46.33 | gla55 | quake on n95 is cool, though you need a bt keyboard for proper controls.. |
| 23:46.55 | pupnik | have you tried the latest build of maemo quake? he fixed the control issues |
| 23:47.00 | pupnik | it's actually fun to play now |
| 23:47.08 | gla55 | nice |
| 23:47.37 | gla55 | oh yeah, someone wrote a bt driver for wiimote for symbian |
| 23:47.46 | pupnik | it's so fun when you say "i want the ui to be like *this*" and two days later the developer implements it exactly like you dreamed |
| 23:47.46 | gla55 | is there something like that for maemo? |
| 23:47.57 | pupnik | i think so actually |
| 23:48.21 | gla55 | would be nice for emus as widely available bt gamepad |
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| 23:50.54 | pupnik | yeah |
| 23:51.22 | Tb0n3 | oh god, kanye west mutilated Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger |
| 23:51.26 | Tb0n3 | that asshole |
| 23:52.06 | Robot101 | yeah it sucks |
| 23:52.17 | Tb0n3 | <3 daft punk |
| 23:53.26 | Tb0n3 | I forgot why I hated ubuntu |
| 23:53.27 | Tb0n3 | I remember now |
| 23:55.26 | Tb0n3 | shit sucks |
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| 23:58.32 | Tb0n3 | getting k3b to burn a debian disk |
