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| 01:13.07 | pupnik | http://www.users.on.net/~triforce/cduke3d/ |
| 01:13.15 | pupnik | looks like a nice 3d engine for the nokia tablet |
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| 02:10.03 | pupnik | Yeti3D is a portable software based 3D engine. The aim of this project is to bring high quality 3D rendering to palm devices like the Gameboy Advanced, mobile phones and Palm PC' |
| 02:10.58 | pupnik | yeti 3d source (gba) http://torlus.com/yeti3dgpl.zip |
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| 02:18.49 | pupnik | http://www.storm-studios.net/onethirty8/images/yeti4.JPG yeti pics |
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| 03:24.01 | czr | btw (for later), is the source code for the tutorials/howtos available to send patches against? |
| 03:24.06 | czr | (the ones on maemo.org) |
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| 04:47.01 | likebike | Hi. Do you know if anyone has gotten gdc (D programming language) working on maemo? |
| 04:47.44 | likebike | ... I was reading on google about this guy named Deformative who was talking about it in this channel... |
| 04:47.51 | likebike | ... irc log. |
| 04:49.39 | likebike | I guess everyone is asleep, or hasn't heard of D before... |
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| 04:59.43 | czr | likebike, does it support armel? |
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| 05:05.23 | pupnik | likebike: yes someone is looking into it |
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| 06:26.52 | kamal_gar | "unable to find the package libschedule and xsettings-client", using Maemo 3.2 Bora on Debian Etch; any suggestions? |
| 06:28.03 | nelson | Hmmmm..... HP is selling "phone companions" |
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| 06:29.11 | nelson | http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/pdas/ipaq-110-and-210-apparently-cost-money-307925.php |
| 06:39.21 | czr | nelson, virtual escort service? |
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| 06:39.49 | nelson | hehe, no, I think they've noticed that the N800 is a serious product. |
| 06:40.26 | czr | or think that there's some money to be made in the segment :-) |
| 06:40.33 | czr | the more the merrier though. |
| 06:40.43 | nelson | indeed, yes. |
| 06:42.05 | jacques | no linux, bah |
| 06:42.27 | jacques | maybe in 5 years they will have linux ported, like all the other ipaqs |
| 06:43.19 | nelson | yeah, it seems insane that HP inherited the best mobile Linux hardware on the planet, and then set about to kill it. |
| 06:44.33 | jacques | yep. |
| 06:45.05 | jacques | I wonder who designed these... HTC ? |
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| 06:46.11 | nelson | HTC has done all of HP's handhelds, AFAIK. |
| 06:46.20 | czr | I guess the larger problem to HP is is the vested interested in winmod/whatchamacallit |
| 06:46.30 | czr | and all the 3rd part apps that are avail for ipaqs |
| 06:47.53 | jacques | I thought some other company did some - the 19xx ? |
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| 06:48.21 | jacques | the samsung based ones |
| 06:48.24 | nelson | I exaggerate. At least, I know that the iPAQ 3600 was an HTC creation. |
| 06:51.21 | kamal_gar | "unable to find package libschedule and xsetting-client", using Maemo 3.2 Boar on bebian |
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| 07:00.50 | czr | boar, heehee :-) |
| 07:00.54 | czr | it does feel like boar sometimes. |
| 07:01.35 | disq | how's dbus going :) |
| 07:04.24 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 07:09.55 | czr | disq, heh. "ok". |
| 07:10.09 | czr | the problem isn't in dbus. it's in the pooporific example code |
| 07:10.10 | disq | morning |
| 07:10.11 | _Monkey | aloha |
| 07:10.21 | czr | morninkz |
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| 07:44.35 | Atarii | mornin |
| 07:44.41 | Atarii | urgh i hate early mornings |
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| 07:51.12 | zeenix | Atarii: me too |
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| 08:25.55 | taong_kuneho | sup |
| 08:25.56 | taong_kuneho | guys |
| 08:25.59 | taong_kuneho | i have a question |
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| 08:26.11 | taong_kuneho | is anyone on |
| 08:26.11 | taong_kuneho | ? |
| 08:26.34 | AD-N770 | good morning |
| 08:27.03 | taong_kuneho | hey |
| 08:27.04 | taong_kuneho | AD-N770 |
| 08:27.06 | taong_kuneho | can i ask something |
| 08:27.11 | AD-N770 | ask |
| 08:27.18 | taong_kuneho | how can i send a thumbnail |
| 08:27.20 | taong_kuneho | using nokia 6600 |
| 08:27.34 | AD-N770 | no idea |
| 08:27.39 | taong_kuneho | how bout n770 |
| 08:27.39 | taong_kuneho | ? |
| 08:28.47 | taong_kuneho | anyone |
| 08:28.49 | taong_kuneho | i need an answer |
| 08:28.50 | taong_kuneho | T_T |
| 08:28.58 | jani | define send |
| 08:29.11 | taong_kuneho | i mean |
| 08:29.22 | taong_kuneho | you can add a picture to your contacts right? |
| 08:29.38 | Atarii | ? |
| 08:29.46 | taong_kuneho | for example |
| 08:29.53 | taong_kuneho | i have you as my contact |
| 08:29.56 | taong_kuneho | then |
| 08:29.58 | Atarii | u do? |
| 08:30.00 | taong_kuneho | ill add a pic of yours |
| 08:30.02 | taong_kuneho | wtf |
| 08:30.07 | taong_kuneho | xD |
| 08:30.13 | taong_kuneho | how can i send that business card |
| 08:30.16 | taong_kuneho | w/ ur pic in in |
| 08:30.17 | taong_kuneho | w/ ur pic in it |
| 08:30.31 | Atarii | cant u send it by post? |
| 08:30.47 | taong_kuneho | ah nvm |
| 08:30.52 | taong_kuneho | u cant understand me |
| 08:30.53 | taong_kuneho | xd |
| 08:31.01 | Atarii | lol |
| 08:31.13 | jani | no shit =) |
| 08:31.44 | ttmrichter | OK, what's the trick for getting more than 50% of the latest image? |
| 08:32.31 | ttmrichter | I've tried now five times to get RX-34_2007SE_4.2007.38-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin from Nokia's servers and it's cutting out at the half-way mark each time, refusing to go on. |
| 08:37.31 | czr | ttmrichter, got it ok some days back |
| 08:37.38 | czr | have you tried using wget? |
| 08:39.28 | ttmrichter | I *AM* using wget. |
| 08:39.43 | ttmrichter | It craps out with server errors. Invariably at the 50% mark. |
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| 08:40.22 | ttmrichter | When I set it with retries, all the retries time out, too. |
| 08:40.38 | TPC | if you PM me the url I can download it for you and send it to you |
| 08:41.04 | TPC | or at least see if the same thing happens here |
| 08:41.10 | ttmrichter | help /msg |
| 08:41.14 | ttmrichter | help msg |
| 08:41.25 | ttmrichter | Damn! What's the private message syntax again? |
| 08:41.34 | TPC | /msg <nick> message here |
| 08:43.01 | czr | ttmrichter, wget -c too? |
| 08:43.16 | czr | ttmrichter, if you have a proxy in between, try to bypass that |
| 08:43.36 | czr | other than that, can't really help (or I could try to redownload the image if that would make you happy :-) |
| 08:44.24 | ttmrichter | No proxies. I'm not using -c on retries. Hadn't thought of that. I assumed that if --retries=inf was set and it choked constantly I'd have the same problem with -c. |
| 08:44.55 | czr | hmm. good point. |
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| 08:45.07 | czr | tell me how it goes and whether you need me to test too. |
| 08:45.23 | TPC | well downloading with wget didn't work, since it needs you to authenticate it by entering your licence id |
| 08:45.27 | TPC | maybe thats the problem you're having |
| 08:45.39 | TPC | downloading with a browser seems to work fine |
| 08:45.59 | TPC | wlan id I mean, whatever that is |
| 08:46.22 | ttmrichter | Actually I use a combination: the browser -> a wget front-end. |
| 08:47.05 | TPC | well, does the wget front-end have the session cookie from the browser? |
| 08:47.33 | ttmrichter | Yes, that's the whole point of the front-end. It has all the referrer stuff and so on. |
| 08:47.48 | ttmrichter | It's designed so that I don't have to mess with wget's millions of options. : ) |
| 08:47.58 | cy- | So I just finally decided to bust out the 'ol N800 after about two months.. |
| 08:48.08 | cy- | Any cool new apps I should check out or what? |
| 08:48.53 | disq | try kagu |
| 08:49.20 | cy- | kagu eh |
| 08:50.19 | cy- | woah nice, new os upgrade too! |
| 08:50.55 | sxpert-work | and for my 770 ? |
| 08:51.29 | cy- | Not sure about that heh |
| 08:51.53 | ulpe | Hello. |
| 08:52.17 | ulpe | has anyone done any screen rotation in n800? |
| 08:52.21 | ttmrichter | Well, this time I made it to 67%. |
| 08:52.35 | czr | ttmrichter, with -c? |
| 08:54.53 | ttmrichter | Well, when I retry this time, I'll try with the continuation option set. |
| 08:55.34 | cy- | ulpe: nope |
| 08:56.53 | ttmrichter | OK, this is really getting on my nerves. |
| 08:57.11 | ttmrichter | Because *IT* has been screwing up the downloads, the server has had my acceptance of download terms expire. |
| 08:57.29 | ttmrichter | So they put a one hour limit on the download, then make sure it takes MORE THAN AN HOUR TO DOWNLOAD! |
| 08:57.45 | czr | meh |
| 08:57.46 | ttmrichter | Is there a phone number I can call to shout at someone? |
| 08:58.01 | ttmrichter | Because I know it won't do any good, but it'll make me feel a whole lot better than shouting at my computer. |
| 08:59.14 | czr | shouting at computers is the <3est |
| 09:00.05 | pupnik | it should not take that long to download |
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| 09:01.51 | pupnik | i dunno - i guess try the customer service number - maybe they can patch a message through to see if there are problems on the server side |
| 09:02.52 | pupnik | but first check that drive isn't full ;) |
| 09:03.36 | cy- | Any idea if the wireless drivers were fixed in the new release of the OS? |
| 09:03.44 | cy- | (ie, does Kismet work on the n800?) |
| 09:04.08 | czr | cy-, do tell me when you find out |
| 09:04.12 | ulpe | strange thing is, I managed to rotate the full screen application (every single widget on screen actually), but part of the screen doesn't update correctly (320 pixels from right). Also touchpad in the same region starts behaving oddly. |
| 09:04.12 | ttmrichter | The drive has about 200GB free. I'm pretty sure it's not full.... ;) |
| 09:04.14 | czr | (haven't tried yet) |
| 09:04.23 | czr | ttmrichter, did you get my privmsg? |
| 09:04.49 | ttmrichter | Would you believe just now I did? ;) |
| 09:04.58 | cy- | czr: I've been in contact with dragorn.. it was still broken in the upgrade with skype and such |
| 09:05.13 | cy- | I'll ask him about it I guess.. Haven't read the release notes for this new release. |
| 09:06.14 | czr | cy-, ah. ok |
| 09:06.35 | czr | they claim it only fixes the MMC problem, but people have reported that some other things have also changed. |
| 09:07.07 | cy- | good deal |
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| 09:48.42 | bansteen | hello there |
| 09:49.08 | bansteen | I hear this channel is very helpfull novice like me |
| 09:49.16 | bansteen | *for |
| 09:49.36 | bansteen | I would like to know how to install firefox in maemo |
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| 09:50.01 | bansteen | my apt-get is not working |
| 09:50.31 | bansteen | it gives the following error |
| 09:50.32 | bansteen | Couldn't stat source package list http://repository.maemo.org bora/free Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_dists_bora_free_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
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| 09:53.10 | opy | hi bansteen r u here!!!! |
| 09:53.21 | bansteen | I would like to know how to install firefox in maemo |
| 09:54.17 | onion | bansteen: what makes you think there is a version of firefox for maemo? |
| 09:54.44 | bansteen | u got me wrong |
| 09:55.02 | bansteen | how to instal the regular veriosn of firefox inside maemo |
| 09:55.33 | bansteen | vegetable guy |
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| 10:10.49 | opy | Lardman !!! are you here?? |
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| 10:15.46 | lardman | opy: Yes |
| 10:16.03 | opy | I need your help |
| 10:16.34 | lardman | bansteen: there needs to be a firefox package compiled and placed in the repo, there may not be, but it actually looks like the problem is someting else - perhaps you need to update the package list |
| 10:16.38 | lardman | opy: go ahead |
| 10:16.42 | opy | I have the same question as banteen |
| 10:16.51 | opy | I also want to know it |
| 10:17.19 | opy | source.list?? |
| 10:17.21 | bansteen | how do i add repository list |
| 10:17.27 | opy | lardman: |
| 10:17.44 | bansteen | sources.list is for ubuntu |
| 10:17.55 | lardman | if the repo is already defined (I can't rememeber where - not my forte I'm afraid) then try something like "apt-get update" |
| 10:19.21 | czr | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:19.34 | lardman | czr: thanks |
| 10:19.55 | bansteen | czr: can u pls give the url of the repository |
| 10:20.16 | czr | no I cannot. I'm not aware whether anyone has packaged firefox for the SDK |
| 10:20.33 | czr | which is what people already said to you before |
| 10:20.37 | lardman | and the rootstrap should come with the repos pre-defined afaicr |
| 10:21.19 | czr | you could (in theory) build it yourself using the source packages, but.. it's not for the faint-hearted |
| 10:23.27 | bansteen | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:23.27 | bansteen | Err ftp://ftp.debian.org sarge/main Packages |
| 10:23.27 | bansteen | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:23.42 | bansteen | sorry.. |
| 10:23.46 | bansteen | I am a novice |
| 10:23.52 | lardman | you are not running within scratchbox..... |
| 10:24.04 | czr | or maybe he is and his DNS is broken |
| 10:24.13 | bansteen | i am running inside scratchbox |
| 10:24.38 | czr | fix your /etc/nsswitch.conf (should be hosts: dns files) |
| 10:25.35 | bansteen | # /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 10:25.35 | bansteen | # |
| 10:25.35 | bansteen | # Example configuration of GNU Name Service Switch functionality. |
| 10:25.36 | bansteen | # If you have the `glibc-doc-reference' and `info' packages installed, try: |
| 10:25.36 | bansteen | # `info libc "Name Service Switch"' for information about this file. |
| 10:25.36 | bansteen | passwd: compat |
| 10:25.38 | bansteen | group: compat |
| 10:25.40 | bansteen | shadow: compat |
| 10:25.42 | bansteen | hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4 |
| 10:25.44 | bansteen | networks: files |
| 10:25.44 | czr | don't paste here please |
| 10:25.46 | bansteen | protocols: db files |
| 10:25.48 | bansteen | services: db files |
| 10:25.50 | bansteen | ethers: db files |
| 10:25.52 | bansteen | rpc: db files |
| 10:25.54 | bansteen | netgroup: nis |
| 10:25.56 | bansteen | small file |
| 10:26.00 | bansteen | :) |
| 10:26.03 | lardman | ~pastebin |
| 10:26.03 | infobot | somebody said pastebin was a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste, or http://rafb.net/paste/, or http://pastebin.com is usually painfully too slow and unresponsive to use, use one of the other pastebin sites, or dpaste.com is a very nice pastebin as well |
| 10:26.03 | opy | hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4 |
| 10:26.14 | opy | hosts: files dns |
| 10:32.33 | pupnik_ | "Be not proud of thy little deeds lest ye too fall from the light." - Ghostly, U4 |
| 10:32.57 | lardman | hi pupnik |
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| 10:33.30 | pupnik | hi lardman |
| 10:33.31 | _Monkey | hi lardman are you here!! |
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| 10:33.49 | lardman | _Monkey: forget lardman |
| 10:33.49 | pupnik | hah |
| 10:33.49 | _Monkey | lardman: I forgot lardman |
| 10:34.43 | lardman | fan worship for sorts :D |
| 10:34.48 | lardman | of sorts |
| 10:35.13 | pupnik | Hole Up & Camp... |
| 10:37.21 | zchydem | I had a dns/network problem couple days ago.. but the problem was actually my d-link router box, not scratchbox/maemo |
| 10:46.31 | orakle | typical |
| 10:46.32 | orakle | d-link |
| 10:46.33 | orakle | :) |
| 10:46.54 | orakle | i'm not saying that they're bad products, just my experience with d-link routers has been unfavourable |
| 10:50.25 | gla55 | i had a dlink switch break up on me |
| 10:50.38 | gla55 | it lost packets quite.. well. hmm. strangely |
| 10:50.47 | solmumaha | a-link is even worse |
| 10:52.23 | pupnik | back in 93-95 i had figures for return-rates on all major consumer computer hardware |
| 10:53.41 | gla55 | dlinks nic's have been ok tho |
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| 10:55.53 | pupnik | all i can say is that most generalizations "mfgr xyz is crap" are unfounded |
| 10:57.06 | solmumaha | you've never owned an a-link product? :) |
| 10:57.38 | pupnik | yes, i have never |
| 10:58.06 | solmumaha | well i have seen plenty of them and i've never seen one that actually works like it should |
| 10:59.44 | pupnik | well if i were purchasing for a company i'd sure like to have a friend at a major computer distributor like tech-data etc |
| 10:59.50 | solmumaha | but that is the only brand i'm avoiding at all cost |
| 11:00.28 | pupnik | not saying you're incorrect about that |
| 11:01.14 | pupnik | back in 94 though i had access to data on a billion dollars of yearly sales :) |
| 11:01.50 | pupnik | anyway |
| 11:02.20 | suihkulokki | avoiding specific consumer brands is stupid |
| 11:02.31 | gla55 | well usually it's the same to buy some nonbrand as some cheapobrand.. i got a 8 port 100mbit switch that cost like a tenner |
| 11:02.34 | suihkulokki | they all rebadge stuff from same OEM's |
| 11:02.47 | gla55 | dlink does more than that |
| 11:02.56 | gla55 | at least with nics |
| 11:11.48 | pupnik | "Remember, no one is useless in thie world who lightens the burdens of others!" - Dickens, Skara Brae |
| 11:13.16 | czr | pupnik, noble idea. too bad it doesn't quite work that way. |
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| 11:21.32 | bansteen | package architecture (armel) does not match system (i386) |
| 11:21.40 | bansteen | any help? |
| 11:21.53 | czr | bansteen, just forget firefox |
| 11:21.57 | pupnik | that's a good error message actually |
| 11:22.09 | bansteen | [sbox-SDK_ARMEL: ~] > dpkg -i powermanga_0.8.3_armel.deb |
| 11:22.13 | pupnik | you are trying to run/install an arm binary on a 386 machine or target |
| 11:22.19 | pupnik | oh dear |
| 11:22.31 | bansteen | sorry for my .... |
| 11:22.45 | bansteen | pls help |
| 11:23.01 | bansteen | this is my first day with maemo and scratchbox |
| 11:23.23 | bansteen | read all i cud within this short time |
| 11:23.24 | pupnik | ok for some reason your SDK_ARMEL seems to be set up as an X86 target |
| 11:23.42 | bansteen | i need to set it as ? |
| 11:23.54 | bansteen | armel target i386 |
| 11:24.30 | pupnik | the armel target should not be set up as an i386 target |
| 11:24.39 | bansteen | k |
| 11:24.42 | pupnik | it should use the qemu emulator to emulate an arm |
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| 11:25.02 | pupnik | when you set up armel target, you must use an armel root fs and select cputransparency |
| 11:25.17 | bansteen | now i did |
| 11:25.26 | bansteen | dpkg -i powermanga_0.8.3_armel.deb |
| 11:25.26 | bansteen | dpkg: unable to access dpkg status area: No such file or directory |
| 11:26.00 | bansteen | guys if u help me i'll get good marks in my assignment |
| 11:27.23 | pupnik | i think you should create a new armel target and follow instructions precisely |
| 11:27.27 | pupnik | don't know how to fix |
| 11:27.45 | lardman | assuming you want to build for the device and not run stuff on your pc...? |
| 11:27.47 | bansteen | k |
| 11:28.00 | pupnik | good question lardman |
| 11:28.07 | bansteen | i want to test inside the pc |
| 11:28.12 | bansteen | then to the n800 |
| 11:29.07 | bansteen | sb-menu |
| 11:29.17 | bansteen | sorry.. |
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| 11:30.16 | bansteen | whts a rootstrap |
| 11:30.50 | czr | it's a safety mechanism to hold the root user in place. |
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| 11:31.01 | lardman | so you need to target the i386 target first, so you can run things on the PC (though using qemu you can also run ARM command line stuff), then switch to the armel target to compile for the device |
| 11:31.03 | bansteen | thnks |
| 11:31.05 | czr | (not serious!) |
| 11:31.09 | czr | it was a joke bansteen |
| 11:31.21 | bansteen | lol |
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| 11:31.53 | lardman | I should have written, using qemu you can run arm command line stuff on the pc when using the armel target |
| 11:32.44 | bansteen | i created a new i386 target.. named it bansteen-i386 |
| 11:33.00 | bansteen | now it asks to select devkits |
| 11:33.23 | bansteen | wht shud i select.. |
| 11:34.01 | pupnik | what do the instructions say? i know you should not select cputransp for an i386 target |
| 11:34.11 | bansteen | hmm |
| 11:34.26 | bansteen | then let me select others except that |
| 11:34.35 | bansteen | ok? |
| 11:35.12 | pupnik | If one speaks or acts with pure thought, happiness will follow like a shadow that never leaves. |
| 11:35.20 | bansteen | then it says Do you wish to extract a rootstrap on the target? |
| 11:35.42 | pupnik | if you were reading instructions you wouldn't be asking these questions, would you |
| 11:35.49 | bansteen | i did |
| 11:35.56 | bansteen | but cudn't |
| 11:36.00 | bansteen | sorry guys |
| 11:36.07 | bansteen | i am stupid |
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| 11:36.24 | pupnik | i forgot exactly what to select |
| 11:36.43 | pupnik | for an i386 target you install a rootstrap that has i386 in the name |
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| 11:37.22 | pupnik | it should be a n800 rootstrap - possibly bora |
| 11:38.12 | bansteen | k |
| 11:40.25 | bansteen | well in my maemo screen there's only a application named maemopad |
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| 11:43.11 | opy | lardman : may i ask you something? |
| 11:45.00 | opy | lardman are you here?? |
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| 11:47.26 | bansteen | lardmen:opy is a hot chick |
| 11:47.37 | bansteen | lardman:opy is a hot chick |
| 11:47.49 | bansteen | opy:hi baby |
| 11:48.36 | opy | hi bansteen 'nan desu ka' |
| 11:48.50 | bansteen | hi babe |
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| 11:51.11 | lardman | does opy being a "hot chick" mean I'm more likely to talk to her...? |
| 11:51.42 | opy | ohh lardman you too |
| 11:52.25 | opy | lardman are you busy . I need some help |
| 11:52.42 | lardman | ask away |
| 11:53.50 | opy | oh lardman my problem is solved |
| 11:54.01 | alterego | Heh |
| 11:54.02 | lardman | good good |
| 11:54.16 | alterego | If only all problems were that easy. |
| 11:54.16 | lardman | must be my positive thoughts, or something like that.... |
| 11:54.33 | alterego | Though, that'd make life pretty boring .. |
| 11:54.49 | bansteen | lardman:opy is my good friend |
| 11:55.02 | bansteen | i like to tease her |
| 11:55.14 | lardman | bansteen: lucky she's a good friend then |
| 11:55.14 | opy | Thanks bansteen |
| 11:55.16 | bansteen | just kidding |
| 11:55.54 | bansteen | opy:only friends |
| 11:56.03 | lardman | if, by some amazing chance, your problem comes back, read this document: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/3.1/INSTALL.txt from section 3.2 "Installing maemo 3.1 manually" |
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| 11:59.02 | pupnikafk | darn, i thought #maemo was going to have its first cyber |
| 11:59.32 | alterego | Maybe it would, but now you've blown your pervert cover :P |
| 11:59.38 | alterego | afk my ass :P |
| 11:59.48 | lardman | doubt my girlfriend would be too impressed by that |
| 11:59.59 | alterego | Even if you used a proxy? |
| 12:00.16 | alterego | cyber contraception .. |
| 12:00.36 | opy | lardman : Maemo 2.2 Launcher can start in SDK_PC but not in armel what is the problem ? |
| 12:01.15 | opy | Note: For remote X connections DISPLAY should contain hostname! |
| 12:01.15 | opy | Sample files present. |
| 12:01.15 | opy | Starting DBUS system bus |
| 12:01.15 | opy | Starting D-BUS session bus daemon |
| 12:01.15 | opy | Starting Maemo Launcher: maemo-launcher start failed. |
| 12:01.16 | opy | Starting Sapwood image server |
| 12:01.18 | opy | sapwood-server[6948]: GLIB INFO default - server started |
| 12:01.20 | opy | Starting Matchbox window manager |
| 12:01.21 | lardman | opy: dunno, I never use a x86 target |
| 12:01.22 | opy | Starting clipboard-manager |
| 12:01.22 | lardman | aaargh |
| 12:01.24 | opy | Starting Keyboard |
| 12:01.25 | lardman | ~pastebin |
| 12:01.26 | infobot | pastebin is probably a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste, or http://rafb.net/paste/, or http://pastebin.com is usually painfully too slow and unresponsive to use, use one of the other pastebin sites, or dpaste.com is a very nice pastebin as well |
| 12:01.26 | opy | Starting MAEMO AF Desktop |
| 12:01.35 | opy | ok |
| 12:01.58 | lardman | I don;t know much about the inner workings of scratchbox, best ask around and see whether anyone else does |
| 12:01.58 | alterego | opy, export DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:2 |
| 12:02.01 | pupnikafk | running late - cheers |
| 12:02.19 | opy | lol |
| 12:02.20 | czr | hmm. dbus-bind-tool doesn't create anything for signals? |
| 12:02.24 | alterego | opy, if you add that to the end of you ~/.bashrc file you wont have to do it again. |
| 12:02.26 | czr | binding-tool even |
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| 12:02.42 | opy | ok |
| 12:02.45 | dpb_ | alterego: that's not the error in that, the hostname isn't needed. It's just a warning. |
| 12:02.51 | czr | alterego, DISPLAY=:2 is enough btw. |
| 12:03.06 | czr | not politically correct, but saves typing. |
| 12:03.12 | dpb_ | yeah |
| 12:03.38 | bansteen | opy:mar armel e maemo choltase |
| 12:04.37 | alterego | I have no idea what he just said .. |
| 12:04.45 | alterego | armel maemo cheese? |
| 12:05.12 | czr | "throw your armel port into the sea of maemo chocolate-related-disease" |
| 12:05.14 | ulpe | chocolate? |
| 12:05.28 | alterego | Oh, |
| 12:05.30 | alterego | Right. |
| 12:05.36 | opy | lol |
| 12:05.43 | dpb_ | lol |
| 12:05.56 | bansteen | lol |
| 12:06.03 | bansteen | thats bangla |
| 12:06.13 | czr | nah. just slightly weird |
| 12:06.19 | alterego | Hahah |
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| 12:06.42 | alterego | I'm supposed to be doing something and I can't think what it is. |
| 12:06.43 | bansteen | opy:don't they know u r bangali |
| 12:06.44 | czr | but I understand your feelings perfectly. |
| 12:07.00 | opy | altergo: it doesnt work "Starting Maemo Launcher: maemo-launcher start failed. |
| 12:07.00 | opy | " |
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| 12:08.24 | czr | meh. there's scarcely any docs on dbus-glib. |
| 12:08.44 | czr | ooh. interesting sounds. need to practice more often. |
| 12:09.24 | dpb_ | lol |
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| 12:13.50 | czr | any glib/dbus-hackers around? |
| 12:14.03 | czr | (glib wrappers for dbus, that is) |
| 12:20.45 | jani | just ask, someone might know even if they are not hackers. |
| 12:21.05 | czr | "why does dbus-binding-tool not create any code for dbus-signals"? |
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| 12:26.29 | alterego | Weird. |
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| 13:42.42 | lardman | hmm, I think debugging on my PC (x86 or even ARM in scratchbox) might be more productive than adding dbg()'s everywhere and running things on the DSP |
| 13:43.06 | lardman | s/running/trying to run ;) |
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| 13:44.18 | czr | +/ too! |
| 13:44.30 | czr | my brain was busy trying to wait for the terminating character.. |
| 13:44.35 | czr | lardman, what are you doing on the DSP? |
| 13:44.46 | alterego | DSP ftw |
| 13:44.46 | lardman | vorbis |
| 13:44.54 | czr | oh man, that must hurt :-) |
| 13:45.00 | czr | lardman, you far in it? |
| 13:45.13 | lardman | I'm using existing code, but just trying to get it all tied together |
| 13:45.38 | lardman | yeah, I've written code that I think should do the job (though that's usually just the start of course), now need to test/debug |
| 13:45.44 | czr | I noticed there were some mails about DSP in the maemo-dev list archives. I did try to find some info ages ago (when 770 came out), but drew blanks. |
| 13:46.08 | czr | I'll ask you about that stuff later I guess. Nice to see that someone is working on that :-) |
| 13:46.13 | lardman | Well if you want to try again I'm happy to help - I'm Simon Pickering, so at least some of the emails were from me |
| 13:46.19 | czr | meanwhile /me goes crazy with GLib/D-Bus |
| 13:46.24 | lardman | :) |
| 13:46.42 | czr | I'd like nothing more than stop what I'm doing and switch brain into DSP, but alas, deadlines. and all :-) |
| 13:47.12 | lardman | yeah, I'm trying to finish a paper, I should also get back to that rather than letting my mind wander to DSP (strange hey?!) |
| 13:47.17 | alterego | How's that going czr? |
| 13:47.40 | alterego | Never heard of it ;) |
| 13:47.48 | alterego | I'm just about to get back into dbus. |
| 13:47.50 | czr | alterego, funny you to ask. the day started decently (around 6 AM). thought it would be nice to finish all the code examples by noon. and I'm still stuck on one of them. |
| 13:47.57 | alterego | After I've gone to the shops to get some food for dinner. |
| 13:48.05 | czr | alterego, it's for the GLib-bindings for D-Bus |
| 13:48.14 | alterego | Yes, I'll be dealing with those. |
| 13:48.18 | alterego | Binding them to ruby |
| 13:48.24 | czr | so that where before you had clean and simple libdbus, now you have GTypes and GObjects and all that ghastly mess |
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| 13:48.26 | alterego | Along with the whole of libdbus |
| 13:48.54 | czr | dbus-binding-tool generates some marshalling codes based on the interface XML |
| 13:49.02 | czr | s/codes/code/. |
| 13:49.25 | alterego | It's either dbus or bluez. |
| 13:49.31 | czr | dbluez |
| 13:49.40 | alterego | I think dbus should take priority because I need to get lihosso finised. |
| 13:49.42 | alterego | ~finished |
| 13:50.17 | alterego | Then I'm gonna have to write a heap of tests :/ |
| 13:51.40 | alterego | But it's all in good fun :) |
| 13:51.48 | alterego | Ruby-maemo 1.0 is almost out the door. |
| 13:51.53 | Tak|work | sweet |
| 13:51.58 | czr | s/door/window/! |
| 13:51.59 | alterego | I might hold back for chinook to be released though. |
| 13:52.02 | alterego | Hah |
| 13:52.13 | Tak|work | no way, let us have it now! |
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| 13:52.16 | alterego | :) |
| 13:52.53 | alterego | Okay, I'll do a 0.8 stable release. |
| 13:53.08 | alterego | After all the testing .. |
| 13:53.49 | alterego | Hopefully done in a couple of days. So I'll probably release it friday before I go out :) |
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| 14:16.15 | r-_ | lol internets |
| 14:17.12 | czr | meh. done documentin g_signal_new. |
| 14:17.17 | czr | it's EVIL. |
| 14:17.21 | alterego | :) |
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| 15:26.02 | zoran | yeah, python 2.4 is good enough to handle rawdog and getmail |
| 15:26.38 | flip^ | i'm still bitter that you can't have 2.4 and 2.5 at the same time and that there are things that depend on one or the other |
| 15:26.51 | zoran | hm |
| 15:27.15 | zoran | ypu could have it, since they are just two separate directories |
| 15:30.17 | flip^ | i'll need to find a 2.4 package again... which seems oddly absent from anywhere useful atm |
| 15:30.38 | flip^ | the developer site suggests having both would be a bad idea, but i couldn't say for sure how much of that is paranoia |
| 15:30.41 | zoran | I have 770 |
| 15:31.27 | zoran | it was just a 5 minutes to find depends |
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| 15:32.01 | zoran | and perfect smtp bouncer works on 2.4 |
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| 15:35.21 | zoran | any knowledge about manual change of usb-host-mode option? |
| 15:35.43 | zoran | /sys/devices/platform/tahvo-usb/otg_mode |
| 15:36.05 | zoran | my file has peripheral in it |
| 15:36.20 | zoran | should be either host or slave |
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| 15:39.35 | Blacksitox | hi |
| 15:39.35 | _Monkey | niihau, Blacksitox |
| 15:40.55 | czr | alterego, 13 hours straight. doing the GLib/D-Bus example. but it's "almost done now". although I've felt like that for the past couple of hours already. |
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| 15:43.58 | alterego | Heh |
| 15:44.06 | alterego | The last leg is always the longest ;) |
| 15:44.37 | czr | tell me about it |
| 15:44.46 | czr | although all the legs on this beast were quite long. and hairy too. |
| 15:44.55 | alterego | :) |
| 15:45.22 | czr | 28 lines of headers, 64 lines of XML (validated too), 746 lines of C, 77 lines of Makefile |
| 15:45.27 | czr | and this is _one_ example. |
| 15:45.40 | alterego | :/ |
| 15:45.43 | czr | removing comments would probably drop all of the above to 1/3. |
| 15:46.02 | czr | but it's pretty complicated stuff, hence a lot of comments. |
| 15:46.41 | alterego | Right |
| 15:47.41 | czr | covers creating a proper GType/GObject, wrapping that around the GLib/D-Bus wrappers, using the crappy dbus-bindings-tool, and publishing methods and signals on the D-Bus (and includes also a simple client program) |
| 15:47.58 | czr | ah yes. and dtd validation too. thrown in as a bonus. |
| 15:48.05 | czr | not that it's a lot of use, but still. |
| 15:49.22 | alterego | :) |
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| 16:26.25 | zoran | someone could say how behaves minimo on gregale? what is memory diff to built-in opera? |
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| 16:49.02 | zoran | folks, what is the newest minimo version, working on 3.2006.49-2? |
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| 16:54.20 | pupnikafk | same platform, different worlds |
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| 20:35.58 | Atarii | anyone got a vmware image with scratchbox installed? |
| 20:41.13 | konttori | nope. is there a chinook version already? |
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| 20:45.05 | MoridinBG | Guys, has anyobe had any luck with USB Host mode on the N800? After two days I am nearing the point of desparation. |
| 20:54.42 | Tak|work | aha! I found the issue with thumbpresses on 2007HE |
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| 20:58.09 | Tak|work | they don't show up as button-one clicks |
| 20:58.15 | Tak|work | (at least, not to SDL) |
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| 21:22.05 | jamey | does anyone here know if N800 works with USB in host mode? And if so, what it takes to do so? |
| 21:22.45 | MoridinBG | <MoridinBG> Guys, has anyobe had any luck with USB Host mode on the N800? After two days I am nearing the point of desparation. |
| 21:22.45 | MoridinBG | * gopi has quit () |
| 21:22.52 | MoridinBG | around half an hour ago :) |
| 21:23.13 | jamey | :) |
| 21:23.16 | jamey | no answer? |
| 21:23.22 | jamey | :( |
| 21:23.22 | suihkulokki | jamey: search for tony lindgren's mails in the maemo-devel archive |
| 21:23.30 | jamey | thanks |
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| 21:48.31 | Tb0n3 | why does moving my stylus on my 770 screen cause distortion on the screen |
| 21:48.37 | Tb0n3 | as in, a wave of white |
| 21:51.02 | GeneralAntilles | Because the LCD layer isn't 100% rigid. |
| 21:53.21 | Tb0n3 | can it be damaged by pressing too hard? |
| 21:54.17 | xand | you shouldnt need to press, just touch |
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| 21:57.26 | jamey | MoridinBG, did you try Tony Lindgren's patches? |
| 21:57.42 | jamey | http://muru.com/linux/n800-usb-host/ |
| 21:58.16 | MoridinBG | yes |
| 21:58.26 | MoridinBG | patched with all of them |
| 21:58.40 | MoridinBG | compiled (kernel configured as needed), flashed with no problems |
| 21:58.49 | MoridinBG | but then the USB is completely silent |
| 21:59.07 | MoridinBG | I put it in host mode (echo host > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode) |
| 21:59.22 | MoridinBG | if i do it again it is doesn't say anything in dmsg |
| 21:59.32 | MoridinBG | the usb cable is mini-a type(modded) |
| 21:59.57 | MoridinBG | I measured D+ and D-, where should be 3V, but there arent |
| 22:00.05 | MoridinBG | neither %v between GND and Vid |
| 22:00.56 | MoridinBG | a friend of mine said it could be the female-to-female usb adaptor I am using to connect standard USB devices |
| 22:01.48 | MoridinBG | (WTF, USB network recovery in lates initfs_flasher? |
| 22:02.13 | Tb0n3 | mplayer stopped working |
| 22:02.14 | Tb0n3 | :( |
| 22:02.33 | pupnik | every once in a while i still get shocked by how cool the 770 is |
| 22:02.57 | pupnik | i like how slim it is too - makes it more unreal |
| 22:03.32 | pupnik | Hole up & camp! |
| 22:03.37 | pupnik | Resting... |
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| 22:25.20 | Tb0n3 | something I never really learned is drivers in linux |
| 22:25.35 | Tb0n3 | how are devices recognized and how would you go about installing drivers for such things |
| 22:26.32 | zerojay | You compile the kernel module.. either built-in or as a module. |
| 22:26.38 | zerojay | The kernel itself will figure out the rest. |
| 22:26.53 | Tb0n3 | well, like a usb joystick, how would I go about installing that |
| 22:26.54 | zerojay | If it's a module, it will load the module into the running kernel when it's first called. |
| 22:27.03 | zerojay | Compile it into the kernel. |
| 22:27.21 | zerojay | When you plug in your USB joystick after that, it will be recognized. |
| 22:27.46 | Tb0n3 | well, I'm just not sure how to do that, any place to see that? |
| 22:28.01 | zerojay | You don't know much about Linux, right? |
| 22:28.12 | Tb0n3 | I know enough to use it |
| 22:28.29 | zerojay | Meaning you're comfortable on the command line? |
| 22:28.53 | Tb0n3 | I've taught myself debian and how to start/stop daemons change conf files and /etc/, etc |
| 22:28.57 | Tb0n3 | yeah, cli |
| 22:29.07 | zerojay | ..oh boy. |
| 22:29.17 | zerojay | Kernel compilation's generally an advanced topic. |
| 22:29.25 | Tb0n3 | required reading? |
| 22:29.27 | zerojay | You could find plenty of tutorials for it out there. |
| 22:29.32 | zerojay | Yeah, definitely. |
| 22:29.48 | Tb0n3 | well, what I mean is where do I find the required reading, or what it it |
| 22:29.51 | zerojay | And after you are done, you'll have to flash the new kernel to your Nokia. |
| 22:30.02 | zerojay | If you don't do it right, you could maybe brick. |
| 22:30.08 | Tb0n3 | I actually have 770's 2007he |
| 22:30.14 | Tb0n3 | >_> |
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| 22:31.18 | zerojay | I've been compiling kernels for seven years or so... however, I don't know what the 770's required options/modules would be.. so... |
| 22:31.28 | Tb0n3 | for some reason, somebody from idaho keeps calling here |
| 22:31.28 | zerojay | Unless you find someone that knows, I wouldn't try. |
| 22:31.57 | lardman | zerojay: shouldn't that be in the source deb? |
| 22:32.17 | zerojay | I don't know. I haven't looked. I'm not sure if there's a default .config file included or not. |
| 22:32.33 | zerojay | Or if there is one, if it has the required options or not. |
| 22:33.16 | lardman | just a thought, I don't know either. People have compiled the kernels successfully though, so it may be in there (or they did lots of guessing!) |
| 22:33.38 | zerojay | "Fuck it, compile everything as a module!" |
| 22:34.23 | lardman | except schedulers...? |
| 22:34.24 | zerojay | Speaking of compiling kernels... |
| 22:34.39 | zerojay | Well, the schedulers can be switched in and out last I checked. |
| 22:35.02 | lardman | ah, I thought they were not to be pluggable |
| 22:35.15 | zerojay | Oh, maybe not... I do remember an effort was underway to do that at some point. |
| 22:35.59 | zerojay | I'm too lazy to wade through KernelTrap. |
| 22:36.09 | zerojay | Eh.. maybe not. |
| 22:36.12 | lardman | anyway, not really all that relevant |
| 22:40.37 | zerojay | Wow, there are still people using XMMS? |
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| 22:41.41 | lardman | on the Zaurus? |
| 22:41.46 | zerojay | No. |
| 22:41.48 | zerojay | At *all*. |
| 22:41.54 | lardman | :) |
| 22:42.12 | lardman | it did actually work on the Zaurus, which was a major positive, despite the age |
| 22:43.01 | zerojay | I'd be far too worried about the unpatched security holes. |
| 22:43.54 | lardman | yeah, but back in those days a CF card was the only way to do wifi and sd cards had very little capacity (and were slow) |
| 22:44.25 | lardman | so no music when connected |
| 22:47.13 | lardman | hmm, I want to use a define to change something like this: dbg("%d", some_value) into this: printf("%d\n", some_value). How easy hard is that? |
| 22:47.55 | lardman | I suppose it could turn into two printf()'s, the second containing only the newline |
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| 22:57.58 | Quinlan^ | Im looking for a good linux distro to install scratchbox on, should I just go with Debian? |
| 22:58.08 | Quinlan^ | FC5 is being tricky,. |
| 22:58.18 | Mikho | ubuntu works for me |
| 22:59.22 | Quinlan^ | what version? Latest? |
| 22:59.37 | Mikho | I think latest is 'feisty fawn' |
| 22:59.53 | Mikho | version 7.04 if I remember correctly |
| 23:00.37 | Quinlan^ | To uTorrent! |
| 23:02.11 | lardman | night all |
| 23:11.02 | |R | uhm, anyone played with rtcomm / asterisk? I'm able to make calls but it doesn't ring when i'm called... (while the other phones including a soft phones on a laptop all ring...) |
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| 23:59.19 | Tb0n3 | any place other than torrents to get ebooks? |
| 23:59.21 | Tb0n3 | :( |
| 23:59.34 | Tb0n3 | linux ebook would be the win for the thin |
| 23:59.36 | Tb0n3 | 770 |
| 23:59.37 | Tb0n3 | .. |
