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| 00:09.25 | Deformati | OOoh, squashfs would be even better. |
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| 01:17.30 | Deformati | Is there an app for converting movies into the best size/format for the nokia 770? |
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| 01:20.32 | Tb0n3 | mediacoder.sourceforge.net |
| 01:21.01 | Tb0n3 | I havn't found any better |
| 01:23.12 | Tb0n3 | Deformati |
| 01:23.13 | _Monkey | Deformati is not a fan of games. or planning on learning ARM asm |
| 01:23.25 | Tb0n3 | lol |
| 01:23.52 | Deformati | Hmm |
| 01:25.40 | Deformati | It supports avi xvid, right? |
| 01:25.48 | Deformati | The default movie player that is. |
| 01:25.52 | Deformati | Or should i install mplayer? |
| 01:26.12 | Deformati | I should prolly resize the video to fit the screen. |
| 01:27.18 | Tb0n3 | supports almost anything |
| 01:48.25 | Deformati | Ugh, the configuration thing is so slow at making a swap on mmc |
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| 02:00.59 | kuzew | Hello all! |
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| 02:04.38 | kuzew | I don't know if someone can point me into the correct direction, to getting libxml2 (2.6.27)? Or is this the wrong place to be asking? |
| 02:30.15 | Tb0n3 | repositories |
| 02:30.16 | _Monkey | well, repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php |
| 02:31.56 | kuzew | Ah! That just may slove my problems. My google keywords must be off. I'll give it a go. Thanks! |
| 02:32.37 | Tb0n3 | set those up properly on your tablet and it should have it |
| 02:32.43 | Tb0n3 | unless one or more of them are down |
| 02:32.50 | Tb0n3 | then you'll have to disable the one that's acting up |
| 02:33.25 | Tb0n3 | know how to get root? if you can then you do a "apt-get update" and the ones that mess up with 404s and such will have to be removed, or at least commented out |
| 02:33.56 | kuzew | Tb0n3: Yeah, got ssh and everything setup. su too. |
| 02:35.00 | Tb0n3 | I like my hacker's edition |
| 02:35.10 | Tb0n3 | I will get to making things, maybe |
| 02:35.38 | Tb0n3 | I sure wish that the application manager knew how to deal with 404s |
| 02:35.53 | kuzew | Well, I just got my hands on my n800 last night. Wanna play with some of the neat stuff out there and start to develope some stuff as well. |
| 02:36.24 | kuzew | I'm sure too, apt-get is great. (: |
| 02:36.46 | Tb0n3 | oh, I forgot, I was gonna check to see if aircrack was the suite or just aircrack, which would be useless without airodump |
| 02:37.51 | Tb0n3 | yay |
| 02:38.27 | kuzew | Neat |
| 02:39.31 | Tb0n3 | lol, what was I thinking, I was about to start an airodump over remote ssh |
| 02:39.35 | Tb0n3 | which would disconnect it |
| 02:39.37 | Tb0n3 | ... |
| 02:40.57 | kuzew | I trust apt-get, i'm doing a dist-upgrade with the new stuff I just put in. *cross fingers* |
| 02:41.21 | Tb0n3 | wtf? can't find wireless tools it says |
| 02:42.08 | kuzew | Tb0n3: You play around with kismet? |
| 02:42.15 | Tb0n3 | not too much |
| 02:42.22 | Tb0n3 | mostly aircrack suite |
| 02:42.24 | kuzew | ah |
| 02:42.28 | Tb0n3 | BackTrack 2 |
| 02:42.35 | Tb0n3 | slax live cd with all the tools |
| 02:42.53 | kuzew | cool |
| 02:43.20 | kuzew | Ah, damn.. it bombed out |
| 02:43.30 | kuzew | "trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/logger', which is also in package busybox" |
| 02:45.23 | kuzew | Don't know if I have to enforce a -f arg. to apt |
| 02:45.46 | Tb0n3 | lulz, I was just missing "wirelesstools" package |
| 02:45.48 | Tb0n3 | XD |
| 02:46.15 | kuzew | heh |
| 02:46.17 | Tb0n3 | effing yay |
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| 02:47.04 | Tb0n3 | either this wireless card in this thing is HYPER sensitive or it's messing up for sure |
| 02:47.10 | Tb0n3 | getting 20 aps in the area |
| 02:47.33 | Tb0n3 | ah, channel -1 |
| 02:47.33 | Tb0n3 | wtf |
| 02:47.38 | kuzew | lol |
| 02:47.57 | Tb0n3 | wtf? it tries channels 12 and 13 |
| 02:48.02 | Tb0n3 | ap channels go to 11 |
| 02:49.11 | kuzew | meh, I give up for now. |
| 02:52.08 | Tb0n3 | maybe cause it was connectede |
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| 02:54.45 | Tb0n3 | shit's not right |
| 02:54.52 | Tb0n3 | probably shouldn't go in and out of full screen |
| 02:58.37 | Tb0n3 | it's the middle of the night and they're tearing down a fucking building |
| 02:58.43 | Tb0n3 | across the street |
| 02:59.00 | Tb0n3 | with a giganticly armed excavater |
| 03:03.34 | Tb0n3 | four stories tall |
| 03:03.41 | Tb0n3 | that's how long the first half of the arm is |
| 03:06.03 | kuzew | hah, where are you located? |
| 03:06.26 | Tb0n3 | new york |
| 03:06.30 | Tb0n3 | near albany |
| 03:06.37 | Tb0n3 | schenectady in fact |
| 03:07.08 | kuzew | ah, im on long island! |
| 03:07.48 | kuzew | small world. |
| 03:08.10 | Tb0n3 | hmm |
| 03:08.13 | Tb0n3 | not remotely close |
| 03:08.15 | Tb0n3 | but anyhow |
| 03:08.21 | Tb0n3 | somebody just hit the roadblock |
| 03:08.22 | Tb0n3 | lulz |
| 03:08.27 | kuzew | haha |
| 03:08.36 | Tb0n3 | I heard a bang and heard people yelling "you all right?" |
| 03:08.48 | Tb0n3 | and when I look out the window the car is perpendicular to the road |
| 03:09.09 | kuzew | gah |
| 03:09.14 | kuzew | people ok? |
| 03:09.56 | Tb0n3 | wonder where my thumbdrive is with my bruteforce dict is |
| 03:10.01 | Tb0n3 | and yeah, they were alright |
| 03:10.04 | Tb0n3 | they were trying to turn around |
| 03:10.05 | Tb0n3 | XD |
| 03:12.35 | Tb0n3 | it would be ironic if the bruteforce zipped file I'm looking to crack a rar was in fact passworded itself |
| 03:12.45 | Tb0n3 | and isn't it ironic |
| 03:12.49 | Tb0n3 | don't you think? |
| 03:12.50 | Tb0n3 | NO |
| 03:17.25 | kuzew | hah |
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| 03:24.29 | Tb0n3 | crap, the larger one is videos of girls beating up guys |
| 03:24.34 | Tb0n3 | should have stuck with the 800k |
| 03:24.36 | Tb0n3 | XD |
| 03:26.43 | Tb0n3 | there |
| 03:26.47 | Tb0n3 | 2.5 megs extracted |
| 03:29.17 | Tb0n3 | there's that arm again, it's like a freaking monster |
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| 03:31.59 | Tb0n3 | I can't see why somebody can't make an analyser that looks at rar/zip/etc files that are encrypted or passworded and figures them out |
| 03:32.14 | Tb0n3 | they use their own little system and that system shouldn't be that hard to figure out |
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| 03:55.47 | Tb0n3 | man, over 21000 password tries and none yet |
| 03:55.52 | Tb0n3 | up to Harley |
| 03:55.57 | Tb0n3 | which is my dogs name |
| 03:55.59 | Tb0n3 | how odd |
| 03:58.31 | Tb0n3 | joypowder was one of the password tries |
| 03:58.31 | Tb0n3 | lulz |
| 04:20.23 | pupnik | rar uses AES iirc |
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| 05:25.02 | Tb0n3 | whatever encryption scheme it uses, you have the whole thing, there should be a way |
| 05:25.03 | Tb0n3 | :( |
| 05:25.20 | Tb0n3 | if it's able to tell you it's the wrong password you should be able to see what the right one is |
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| 05:25.30 | Tb0n3 | without trying them all |
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| 05:35.54 | t_s_o | interesting, seems arm got a bit riled about intel saying that one needs x86 to do web the proper way :D |
| 05:36.34 | t_s_o | i guess the proof will be in the volumes shiped |
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| 05:42.31 | straind | Is anyone running gpsd on a 770? I can't get it to install. |
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| 06:06.27 | Blacksito | bye |
| 06:07.05 | straind | What's the command to launch the browser by cli? |
| 06:09.04 | disq | try dbus-send --print-reply /com/nokia/osso_browser --dest=com.nokia.osso_browser com.nokia.osso_browser.load_url string:http://google.com/ |
| 06:11.45 | straind | Thanks disq. I thought there was an easier way. :) |
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| 08:05.20 | disq | finally got tinymail and modest to compile |
| 08:05.41 | disq | still trying to link modest though |
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| 08:29.48 | disq | nope. modest won't link. giving up |
| 08:31.13 | czr | hmm. I wonder who is FIXME <fixme@nokia.com> |
| 08:31.23 | czr | and whether his/her mail works! :-) |
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| 09:11.28 | pupnik | hehe |
| 09:13.42 | czr | that was present in the newest skype download package btw |
| 09:13.48 | czr | (from skype site) |
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| 09:30.38 | czr | btw, where to report such issues? there is a proper component in bugzilla for this or maybe some quicker way? |
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| 09:33.09 | czr | ah. twas my wlan :-) |
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| 09:36.44 | czr | heh. nice to see that my bugzilla quip is still alive and well |
| 09:36.55 | pupnik_ | ? |
| 09:37.06 | czr | the "who stole the 3 bits from 777" |
| 09:43.00 | pupnik_ | you are missing "other" write+execute on something? |
| 09:43.26 | pupnik_ | hmm no... missing exe on uog? |
| 09:43.27 | czr | maybe it's unclear what it means :-) it was sort of inside joke |
| 09:43.52 | czr | think about it. might help if you'd know that I used to report bugs when the 770 launched |
| 09:44.21 | pupnik_ | where's unique311 - he's the best game finder in the community |
| 09:46.19 | pupnik_ | good riddance |
| 09:47.39 | czr | yay. my first bug against N800 |
| 09:48.05 | czr | or rather, second, but first with bugzilla. |
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| 10:48.20 | GeneralAntilles | Stupid damn reboot loop. <_< |
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| 11:26.38 | GeneralAntilles | Uh, anybody see this: http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbugencontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12719&contentId=27458 ? |
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| 11:28.42 | opy | Good morning(~) |
| 11:28.48 | flip^ | mornin' |
| 11:28.58 | opy | Pupnik are you here!!!! |
| 11:29.10 | czr | GeneralAntilles, what about it? |
| 11:29.40 | GeneralAntilles | Just noticed the comment on the bug page linking to it, thought it meant drivers but maybe not. |
| 11:29.53 | pupnik | ? |
| 11:31.03 | opy | I write "deb http://repository.maemo.org/ gregale free non-free |
| 11:31.03 | opy | deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ gregale free |
| 11:31.03 | opy | " in source.list but "fakeroot apt-get install maemo-explicit " dont work |
| 11:31.21 | opy | Pupnik Please!! |
| 11:31.47 | pupnik | does apt-cache search maemo-explicit show that the package is available? |
| 11:32.31 | opy | Couldn't stat source package list http://repository.maemo.org gregale/free Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_dists_gregale_free_binary-arm_Pa |
| 11:32.46 | opy | I got this message. |
| 11:33.23 | pupnik | have you been able to download *any* packages yet in scratchbox? |
| 11:33.44 | opy | no |
| 11:33.49 | pupnik | then check this out |
| 11:33.52 | pupnik | nsswitch? |
| 11:33.52 | _Monkey | hmmm... nsswitch is http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=scratchbox+nsswitch+apt-get |
| 11:34.20 | opy | I write "files dns" |
| 11:35.06 | pupnik | hmm |
| 11:35.39 | opy | hosts: files dns |
| 11:35.54 | pupnik | i have "files dns" in both /etc/nsswitch.conf and /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 11:36.12 | opy | do i need to change anything here Pupnik. |
| 11:36.30 | opy | ok |
| 11:37.42 | alterego | Sounds more like you're /etc/apt/sources.list file is screwy. |
| 11:37.52 | alterego | ~your .. |
| 11:39.46 | opy | Pupnik : I changed but i got the same problem |
| 11:40.00 | opy | nsswitch.conf |
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| 11:40.22 | pupnik | i also have deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ gregale free in sources.list |
| 11:40.59 | opy | I also added this |
| 11:41.20 | alterego | opy, can you ping anything? Like google.com ? |
| 11:41.55 | opy | no |
| 11:42.03 | alterego | Ah, |
| 11:42.35 | pupnik | there is no ping in 2.2 |
| 11:42.42 | alterego | Oh .. :) |
| 11:43.40 | pupnik | opy: you can install a .deb like wget manually with dpkg -i, then use wget to test your network connection from within scratchbox |
| 11:44.37 | opy | ok |
| 11:44.54 | opy | but i install armel from sb-menu |
| 11:45.45 | pupnik | within scratchbox armel environment you can install armel deb binary packages with dpkg -i like on a normal tablet |
| 11:46.15 | pupnik | is there another way to test network from within scratchbox? |
| 11:46.27 | alterego | Well, I don't have 2.2 installed. |
| 11:46.32 | alterego | Is netcat installed? |
| 11:46.33 | alterego | telnet? |
| 11:46.48 | pupnik | no, no |
| 11:47.27 | alterego | Hmm .. |
| 11:49.40 | czr | pupnik, wget http://www.google.com/ |
| 11:49.48 | czr | tests both name resolution (dns) and TCP |
| 11:50.29 | pupnik | yes, just copy the wget armel binary into scratchbox home and use dpkg -i to install |
| 11:52.02 | alterego | This goes for toolbars too .. |
| 11:52.37 | alterego | Is it possible to get the current window in your program? So you can make the toolbar work properly .. |
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| 11:52.59 | opy | pupnik: dplk : bash: man: command not found |
| 11:53.10 | alterego | opy, dpkg .. |
| 11:53.59 | opy | ya |
| 11:54.35 | opy | ya its dpkg |
| 11:54.36 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 11:54.47 | opy | bash: man: command not found |
| 11:56.56 | pupnik | use manpages in host linux system |
| 11:57.02 | opy | ok |
| 12:01.16 | opy | Pupnik: i got "/scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set |
| 12:01.17 | opy | " |
| 12:03.58 | pupnik | set it in sb-menu |
| 12:04.21 | pupnik | hi Jaffa |
| 12:05.02 | opy | ok |
| 12:05.28 | pupnik | i don't know how to set it up in an installed scratchbox target |
| 12:05.48 | pupnik | i set the cpu transparency method with sb-menu when creating a new armel target |
| 12:06.24 | cosmo | anyone had problems with libcurl in scratchbox? |
| 12:08.09 | pupnik | i've compiled some games that use it |
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| 12:09.12 | opy | Ya pupnik I got it |
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| 12:10.36 | alterego | you can use sb-conf to setup cpu transparency. |
| 12:14.52 | alterego | How do you get the active HildonWindow ? |
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| 12:36.36 | cosmo | whee pitfall 2 works and is playable on stella |
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| 12:42.30 | Blacksitox | hi :) |
| 12:47.37 | GeneralAntilles | Any recommendations for a reboot-loop with a progress bar but no desktop on the N800? |
| 12:48.23 | Tak|work | ouch - sounds like a reflash |
| 12:49.01 | GeneralAntilles | Ugh |
| 12:49.18 | GeneralAntilles | I'd almost rather let it sit in a drawer until the next firmware update. <_< |
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| 12:53.09 | Tak|work | hah - wasn't there just a firmware update? |
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| 12:53.55 | GeneralAntilles | For what, non-broken SDHC support? |
| 12:54.00 | GeneralAntilles | No SDHC cards |
| 12:54.00 | Tak|work | yes |
| 12:54.06 | Tak|work | ah |
| 12:54.11 | GeneralAntilles | so, uh, not worth the pain of doing that update. ;) |
| 12:54.36 | Tak|work | actually, someone on the list mentioned that there were other changes embedded as well, like tabs in opera |
| 12:55.01 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe, still not worth the flashing ordeal. |
| 12:55.05 | GeneralAntilles | But, I guess I have to now. |
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| 13:10.42 | cosmo | hm, how do i downgrade debhelper version in a source? |
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| 13:10.55 | cosmo | it uses 4, maemo's got 3 |
| 13:11.10 | cosmo | changing builddeps in control is not enough |
| 13:15.32 | alterego | You can change the compat file too. |
| 13:15.36 | alterego | Thgat will fix it. |
| 13:15.54 | alterego | echo "3" > debian/compat |
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| 13:20.47 | cosmo | alterego: thanks, that did it! |
| 13:21.15 | alterego | No problem, I've hit that obsticle a couple of times cosmo ;) |
| 13:23.58 | cosmo | hm ,i guess now only .desktop file needed for stella |
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| 13:35.13 | nunyabizn | does anyone have x11vnc working right on an n800? I've got display but can't click the left side. |
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| 13:41.56 | nunyabizn | ok then.... anyone else have trouble getting onto maemo.org with their n800? it seems to be the only site that gives me grief. |
| 13:43.14 | Atarii | does anyone know if its possible to rotate the screen in xournal? |
| 13:44.53 | Tak|work | nunyabizn: no, I haven't had any issues |
| 13:45.38 | t_s_o | nunyabizn: i had some issues getting on there using my 770 at times. never fully understood why... |
| 13:47.21 | nunyabizn | hmmm... weird. I can get on no problem with my PC, but my n800 stalls and stalls. |
| 13:47.45 | nunyabizn | anyone have any luck with getting kagu to work since the new firmware? |
| 13:52.53 | pupnik | try a different vnc server nunyabizn |
| 13:57.38 | pupnik | mwaha i love this author. makes a nice SDL game with sound using 5 .c files and no autotools |
| 13:58.19 | nunyabizn | pupnik - i thought there was only one for 2007 os |
| 13:58.21 | pupnik | builds in ONE SECOND |
| 13:58.45 | pupnik | oh i thought you were using vncclient on nokia |
| 13:59.11 | nunyabizn | nope, other way around. thought it would be a handy way to type when i had a lot to do on the tablet hehe.... |
| 13:59.26 | pupnik | synergy works for that |
| 13:59.42 | nunyabizn | thx, i'll look it up |
| 13:59.53 | pupnik | synergy? |
| 13:59.54 | _Monkey | somebody said synergy was mouse and keyboard sharing between computer and tablet: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/synergy2/ https://garage.maemo.org/projects/unique311/ and for 770 http://pupnik.de/synergy-maemo_1.3.1-1_armel.deb |
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| 14:04.49 | pupnik | wb koen |
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| 14:06.33 | t_s_o | ugh, if only i had my 770 working now |
| 14:13.18 | VRe | what was the name of the package which gives on devel-roofs the taskbar applet to select usb-net? |
| 14:15.14 | cosmo | any ideas why the "appname-loading" message stays in corner when launching from menu and app crashes after a while? |
| 14:15.28 | cosmo | launching from console works ok |
| 14:15.34 | Delk | Does the actual app ever appear? |
| 14:15.40 | cosmo | yes |
| 14:15.53 | cosmo | but the message stays on top of it |
| 14:16.02 | Delk | Ok |
| 14:16.30 | pupnik | see the maemo-games howto |
| 14:16.55 | cosmo | i was just reading it |
| 14:17.02 | cosmo | would putenv("SDL_VIDEO_X11_WMCLASS=appexename"); help? |
| 14:17.14 | pupnik | i forgot .. where's the page again? |
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| 14:17.32 | cosmo | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/gamedevelopment/#208fbda676b599012b4c45b627cfdaa4 |
| 14:17.51 | pupnik | ty |
| 14:18.20 | pupnik | anybody remember lode runner? |
| 14:18.26 | cosmo | yes |
| 14:18.44 | pupnik | i'm playing with a clone right now |
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| 14:23.09 | zoran | console orgraphical one? |
| 14:23.24 | alterego | Graphical |
| 14:23.43 | alterego | I got sick of using nano. |
| 14:23.53 | zoran | some patch to vi/vim could work also |
| 14:24.02 | alterego | Not really, |
| 14:24.10 | alterego | Not for what I have in mind and I don't like Vim much. |
| 14:24.17 | pupnik | graphical - called scavenger - just looking at key remapping |
| 14:24.17 | zoran | :) |
| 14:24.34 | alterego | Hence why I'm coding it in emacs ;) |
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| 14:24.46 | pupnik | i was digging through 10 years of linuxgames archives looking for old forgotten sdl games :) |
| 14:24.54 | alterego | Hahg |
| 14:24.59 | alterego | Find any good ones pup? |
| 14:25.04 | zoran | I heard of zile as emacs tiny colne |
| 14:25.08 | pupnik | yeah scavenger is fun |
| 14:25.09 | GeneralAntilles | Sounds fun. |
| 14:25.10 | zoran | *clone |
| 14:25.32 | alterego | Basically, I'm trying to minimize the amount of typing :P |
| 14:25.40 | alterego | So it _has_ to be graphical. |
| 14:25.45 | zoran | k |
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| 14:25.54 | pupnik | oh editor |
| 14:26.09 | alterego | Editor and Viewer but that's beside the point ;) |
| 14:26.11 | zoran | perl could help |
| 14:26.18 | alterego | I'm writing it in Ruby |
| 14:26.26 | alterego | Using ruby-maemo |
| 14:26.32 | zoran | I'm not familiar :( |
| 14:26.36 | alterego | :) |
| 14:27.07 | cosmo | hm, the loading message went away, but still the app crashes after a while when launched from menu |
| 14:27.49 | alterego | Have you created a .service file? |
| 14:27.57 | alterego | You are using OSSO right? |
| 14:29.45 | cosmo | yep |
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| 14:30.03 | cosmo | i got to go now, but you can try yourself http://www.modeemi.fi/~cosmo/stella_2.4.2-1_armel.deb |
| 14:31.00 | pupnik | ok cosmo nice job and come back soon |
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| 14:49.41 | alterego | Interesting .. My toolbar is showing text too O_O |
| 14:50.01 | Tak|work | alterego: awesome |
| 14:50.09 | alterego | IT shouldn't be .. |
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| 14:50.34 | alterego | Doesn't maemo stop that? |
| 14:50.51 | alterego | The example doesn't change the style of the toolbar .. |
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| 14:59.53 | pupnik | timeless is a trippy demo for tablets (esc to abort) http://pupnik.de/timeless_maemo.tgz |
| 15:02.05 | GeneralAntilles | Amazon has the N800 under $300 |
| 15:02.08 | GeneralAntilles | Quite a price drop |
| 15:03.13 | GeneralAntilles | Target has it for $280 |
| 15:03.56 | alterego | Maybe in anticipation for the new one :) |
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| 15:17.22 | czr | stupid question, after installing dropbear server on N800, what's the account/pwd combo that can be used to log in? |
| 15:17.55 | alterego | There isn't one |
| 15:17.55 | pupnik | there's a root/rootme |
| 15:17.57 | pupnik | ? |
| 15:18.30 | pupnik | there was on 770 |
| 15:18.59 | dhdfoo | yeah I seem to remember it being root/rootme |
| 15:19.03 | dhdfoo | of course you want to change that password |
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| 15:21.31 | czr | did I miss it somehow? :-) |
| 15:22.20 | czr | ah, it is root/rootme. thanks |
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| 15:23.19 | Atarii | is there a file which holds all the words in the keyboard auto-complete list? |
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| 15:27.17 | zoran | not to forget to say that reflash from usb flash memory stick to 770 device, using old knoppix live cd, worked fine with flasher 2.0; thanx all who helped with advices |
| 15:29.58 | zoran | ~[6~/c |
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| 15:45.30 | dhdfoo | the keyboard auto-complete list is part of a piece of non-free software - it's compiled into some sort of compressed form and lives in a shared library |
| 15:46.07 | czr | shared lib means the information wants to be shared, right? right?? :-) |
| 15:46.43 | pupnik | can you rephrase the question? |
| 15:47.14 | pupnik | if you are looking to configure a program to use libraries that are available on the tablet, select shared libraries |
| 15:47.39 | pupnik | New $595 home computer! http://fargoal.com/homeimages/pspetsm.jpg |
| 15:50.42 | czr | pupnik, never mind :-) |
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| 15:54.50 | Atarii | im looking to add/delete things from the list of keywords |
| 15:54.52 | Atarii | is that possible |
| 15:54.54 | Atarii | ? |
| 16:00.36 | czr | hmm. the N800 google desktop applet is a bit silly. it keeps the focus in the input field and the cursor remains there. blinking. |
| 16:01.19 | czr | also I notice the backlight fluctuates for a while, this is not normal, is it? :-) |
| 16:01.31 | czr | (the device was just resting by itself on the desk) |
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| 16:04.34 | straind | Atarii: When you are typing, click and hold on the word you want to delete and you'll get a menu. |
| 16:05.32 | pupnik | at lowest brightness backlight can flicker |
| 16:05.56 | pupnik | if using it2007he, there was a backlight oscilatting bug (software) - you can see bl meter go up and down |
| 16:07.42 | Atarii | thanks straind |
| 16:08.00 | straind | No problem. I do that every day because the kids type nonsense. :) |
| 16:08.10 | czr | pupnik, newest fw for N800 |
| 16:08.30 | czr | but it turned off completely now, so it's not a biggie. seemed odd though. |
| 16:27.35 | pupnik | too many interesting things out there |
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| 16:47.58 | alterego | Anyone know why the expand/collapse triangles don't show under Hildon? |
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| 17:01.47 | pupnik | you are working with gtk->hildon port alterego ? |
| 17:01.52 | pupnik | or on ruby stuff? |
| 17:02.17 | alterego | I'm writing an app in Ruby for my tablet. |
| 17:02.39 | alterego | I was just wondering if it was default behaviour to not show those triangles .. |
| 17:05.44 | czr | is anyone aware of any official documentation on all d-bus services, calls available, their prototypes and results? (as well as signal info) for both system and session. |
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| 17:07.40 | alterego | czr, specific to maemo? Nope, I've not found any. I was looking for something like that a couple of weeks ago. |
| 17:07.58 | czr | alterego, one that would for example list all the stuff, then "starting from " for devices and SDKs separately |
| 17:08.01 | czr | it would be very very nice. |
| 17:08.11 | czr | especially if it also would be documented :-) |
| 17:08.16 | alterego | Yes, I think that Nokia is trying to hide some of the details ;) |
| 17:08.28 | czr | probably just too lazy to document it methinks :-) |
| 17:08.30 | alterego | Or they're just lazy. |
| 17:08.34 | alterego | :) |
| 17:08.50 | alterego | You could always do it yourself. Grep all the sources for dbus ;) |
| 17:09.05 | alterego | Infact, you can view all of the .service files. That'd be a good place to start :) |
| 17:09.28 | alterego | I think that's where I started from. |
| 17:09.28 | czr | alterego, yes indeed! I could also rewrite X to do graphics correctly, reimplement the I/O scheduling in large multi I/O subsystem systems, do proper packet filtering with dynamically generated machine code, etc, etc, etc. but.. :-) |
| 17:09.43 | czr | alterego, you were looking for something specific or more in general? |
| 17:10.26 | alterego | I was looking for a way to turn bt off/on so I could add a quick launch command to my cpu/mem status bar applet. |
| 17:10.34 | alterego | I ended up just using hciconfig. :) |
| 17:10.39 | czr | heh |
| 17:11.12 | alterego | I guess the most simple solutions are the best. |
| 17:11.16 | czr | I guess that would somehow go through the "mode" daemon which controls which radios are on in which modes (the one that you see when you press the "power" button) |
| 17:11.26 | czr | especially if hciconfig exists anyway |
| 17:11.27 | alterego | Unfortunately I had to add a line to /etc/sudoers for it to work. But it did and does great :) |
| 17:11.53 | czr | hciconfig needs root, right? |
| 17:12.09 | alterego | So no more app menu->system->configuration->bluetooth->on |
| 17:12.11 | alterego | Yes |
| 17:12.21 | czr | what you could do, is a small wrapper in C, that would only allow one parameter (on/off), then it would call hciconfig internally. then you would suid the wrapper |
| 17:12.31 | czr | the wrapper could use exec too, no need for system() and such. |
| 17:12.42 | alterego | You could do that as a shell script .. |
| 17:12.47 | pupnik | i'd like to popup up a status window from shell... |
| 17:13.01 | alterego | pupnik, you mean a dialog? |
| 17:13.02 | czr | alterego, but you can't suid a shell script. |
| 17:13.12 | alterego | Erm .. Yes you can. |
| 17:13.19 | alterego | What makes you think you can't suid a shell script? |
| 17:13.34 | czr | because bash (for example) will refuse to run when started with uid != euid. |
| 17:13.39 | pupnik | just a little dialog yes |
| 17:13.50 | czr | it's a security feature (so they say) |
| 17:13.51 | alterego | Who said anything about bash? |
| 17:13.53 | pupnik | "are you sure you want to continue? y/n" |
| 17:13.54 | czr | true |
| 17:13.59 | czr | alterego, busybox shell doesn't check? |
| 17:14.05 | alterego | pupnik, there is a way. I'll have a look. |
| 17:14.14 | alterego | czr, no idea if ash does or doesn't. |
| 17:14.36 | czr | well, we'll find out soon enough, give me a sec |
| 17:16.04 | czr | alterego, it runs, but restores uid before running the script ;-) |
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| 17:16.15 | alterego | Are you sure? |
| 17:16.16 | czr | so indeed, you can set suid, and you can even the script, but it will not run as root ;-) |
| 17:16.18 | czr | just tested. |
| 17:16.19 | alterego | Try 'rm -rf' ;) |
| 17:16.23 | czr | ran id |
| 17:16.41 | alterego | Well, you have no idea how id works .. |
| 17:16.57 | czr | do tell me |
| 17:17.13 | alterego | I don't know either. That's why I suggested 'rm -rf' you know, just to be sure :P |
| 17:17.58 | czr | ok. now I do ls -la /proc/self after the id as well |
| 17:18.01 | czr | still no root. |
| 17:18.21 | czr | and no, I'm not running rm -rf, especially since without filename parameters it will refuse to run |
| 17:18.36 | alterego | :P |
| 17:19.16 | alterego | Rubbish. |
| 17:19.23 | czr | that goes through the same window |
| 17:19.25 | alterego | You're the one that wants to use bash or ash. |
| 17:19.36 | czr | which script do you suggest to run? |
| 17:19.43 | czr | I suggested using a wrapper in C :-) |
| 17:19.51 | alterego | You can write it in whatever language you want. |
| 17:19.53 | alterego | I don't care :P |
| 17:20.04 | czr | :-) |
| 17:20.05 | alterego | My sudo hciconfig works fine. |
| 17:20.09 | czr | fine fine :-) |
| 17:20.24 | alterego | For the record. I do like your idea about using setuid. |
| 17:20.32 | alterego | I'd probably use ruby ;) |
| 17:20.35 | czr | that's what I normally do in similar situations |
| 17:20.44 | czr | you'd have to check how it handles suid |
| 17:20.55 | czr | I know that perl by default will also refuse to do anything when script is suided |
| 17:21.10 | alterego | Interesting. |
| 17:21.17 | czr | as said, it is a "security" feature. |
| 17:21.29 | czr | python doesn't implement it |
| 17:21.59 | czr | so it runs quite happily with suid. |
| 17:22.43 | czr | alterego, the other point in the wrapper is that since it will have a very controlled parameter line, it will only use one system call, it is easy to audit for security |
| 17:22.54 | czr | unlike shells and larger stuff like interpreters |
| 17:23.04 | alterego | O_o |
| 17:23.16 | czr | yes, some people actually do security audits :-) |
| 17:23.19 | alterego | I just don't see anypoint in writing and compiling a C program for something like this. |
| 17:23.31 | alterego | It's what scripting languages are designed for :P |
| 17:23.37 | czr | it's restricting the foot print of code that will run with root privs |
| 17:23.37 | alterego | Running/Executing commands and all .. |
| 17:23.58 | czr | well, you're approaching the problem as a developer. I'm approaching it from security standpoint. |
| 17:24.01 | alterego | Sure, I get your point. But I'm not that paranoid :) |
| 17:24.09 | czr | besides, writing C is simple |
| 17:24.21 | alterego | Not when you're on the road :P |
| 17:24.30 | alterego | I did my solution whilst in the bath .. |
| 17:24.31 | czr | hmm. you've got a point. no keyboard? |
| 17:24.47 | alterego | Keyboard doesn't matter. No C compiler :P |
| 17:24.55 | czr | true :-) |
| 17:25.17 | alterego | But no, I don't have a keyboard. I don't really need one. |
| 17:25.19 | czr | not a local one, you could always make an transparent gcc-bridge over ssh to the system which has compler and such |
| 17:25.29 | czr | yup. I wouldn't code anything on the device itself either |
| 17:25.37 | alterego | Oh, I code on the device. |
| 17:25.44 | alterego | The occasional little app/ |
| 17:25.46 | czr | me not. I hate the virtual keyboard. |
| 17:25.48 | alterego | Ruby is great for that. |
| 17:26.18 | alterego | Only small things. I wrote a colour selector app that generated the hexidecimal html/css notation. |
| 17:26.33 | alterego | That was pretty neat, took me about 10 minutes or so. |
| 17:26.36 | czr | hmm. the busybox netstat doesn't report processes bound to sockets, does it? (didn't seem to support -p) |
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| 17:26.51 | czr | I don't work on projects which finish under a week |
| 17:27.39 | alterego | It'd take you a week to do that?! :) |
| 17:27.47 | czr | yeah, I'm a slot typist! |
| 17:27.53 | alterego | :) |
| 17:27.59 | czr | and I'd have to code all the 2^24 if-then-elses in! |
| 17:28.09 | alterego | Hahah |
| 17:28.16 | alterego | For security right? |
| 17:28.18 | alterego | ;) |
| 17:28.31 | czr | of course. writing test cases for all 2^24 would be slightly painful |
| 17:28.38 | czr | but I could always out-source that to india or somewhere. |
| 17:28.38 | alterego | :D |
| 17:28.45 | alterego | Or meta program/ |
| 17:29.00 | czr | meta program? pretend you're programming, but infact, are slacking off? |
| 17:29.01 | alterego | ruby-hildon has some nice meta programming. |
| 17:29.18 | alterego | It auto generates a header file and a c source file depending on the contents of the source directory. |
| 17:29.29 | czr | pft |
| 17:29.46 | alterego | Simple example :P |
| 17:30.03 | alterego | But then meta-programming a test suite of that magnitude would be easy too :P |
| 17:30.15 | alterego | Stop a _lot_ of code duplication too ;) |
| 17:30.47 | czr | I don't duplicate code normally |
| 17:30.55 | alterego | pupnik, sorry. I couldn't find it. I know you can I saw it in a maemo script .. |
| 17:30.59 | czr | although I'm not working on GUI projects, so that's the main reason I guess |
| 17:31.04 | czr | I mostly work at systems-level stuff. |
| 17:31.04 | Molagi | hmm is it possible to use a bluetooth keyboard and a bluetooth connection for internet at the same time? |
| 17:31.19 | pupnik | okies, thanks for looking |
| 17:31.19 | alterego | Molagi, I think so yes. |
| 17:31.26 | Molagi | great |
| 17:31.42 | alterego | I'm pretty sure the BT drivers support multiple connections. |
| 17:31.50 | alterego | Oh wait, on the N800 or 770? |
| 17:31.54 | Molagi | n800 |
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| 17:31.55 | alterego | I don't think the 770 can do that? |
| 17:32.00 | alterego | Right, |
| 17:32.04 | alterego | Well, try and find out ;) |
| 17:32.51 | Molagi | might have to |
| 17:33.13 | czr | does the dropbear package support authorized_keys? (sry for stupid question) |
| 17:33.16 | czr | (the server) |
| 17:34.04 | alterego | Don't know. |
| 17:34.06 | alterego | I use OpenSSH |
| 17:34.14 | alterego | sftp ftw! |
| 17:34.17 | alterego | sshfs too ;) |
| 17:34.20 | czr | sftp is for weeners |
| 17:34.23 | Tak|work | I'm with alterego on ruby and metaprogramming |
| 17:34.28 | alterego | :) |
| 17:34.47 | Tak|work | heh, I built a copy of gftp for the device |
| 17:35.36 | czr | what happened to good old tar cf - | gzip -9 | ssh remote_end '(cd /dest_dir; tar xzf -)' |
| 17:35.45 | czr | +' .' |
| 17:36.03 | alterego | It got wrapped into scp :) |
| 17:36.18 | czr | scp is a ping-pong-protocol |
| 17:36.18 | alterego | Admittedly I don't use sftp directly. |
| 17:36.23 | czr | tar is faster (it streams) |
| 17:36.27 | alterego | But gnome uses it and so does sshfs. |
| 17:36.41 | czr | sure |
| 17:37.00 | czr | ah, did you yet see the preview release of the next gnome? |
| 17:37.04 | alterego | I like mounting directories on my N800 :) |
| 17:37.12 | alterego | Easier development under scratchbox and stuff. |
| 17:37.13 | Tak|work | meh, and if your entire tar stream doesn't go through, you lose the entire transmission |
| 17:37.49 | czr | Tak|work, no you don't |
| 17:38.30 | czr | ah, you mean that you need to start over? true. |
| 17:38.51 | czr | I was thinking of the remote end since tar over there will end up extracting all the files up to the fail-point. |
| 17:39.12 | alterego | You hope |
| 17:39.24 | alterego | You'll probably end up with half a file :P |
| 17:39.53 | czr | I never considered that a problem actually. I normally run rsync over ssh. |
| 17:40.03 | czr | when the midway is known to be unreliable. |
| 17:40.29 | alterego | svn! |
| 17:40.48 | czr | heh. "sure". |
| 17:41.54 | czr | (I'm thinking of large file transfer, have nothing against svn for other uses) |
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| 17:42.56 | czr | any hints on how the bme-dbus integration works? |
| 17:43.12 | czr | the bme inserts events to the dbus system daemon? |
| 17:46.13 | czr | hmm. any way to make a nice pstree -pu listing on the device? (short of building a pstree for it?) |
| 17:46.36 | straind | Since I'm awake again, and there's a little activity here now... |
| 17:46.44 | straind | Is anyone running gpsd on a 770? I can't get it to install. |
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| 17:47.33 | pupnik | "It matters not to me whether my neighbor worships one god or ten - it neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." - Thomas Jefferson |
| 17:47.58 | alterego | Smart words |
| 17:48.09 | alterego | More people should think like that. |
| 17:48.21 | pupnik | agree |
| 17:50.34 | straind | alterego: You were trying to install gpsd on a 770. |
| 17:50.41 | alterego | :) |
| 17:50.44 | alterego | I don't think so. |
| 17:50.59 | czr | hehe |
| 17:51.19 | straind | Maybe it was czr. |
| 17:51.39 | czr | nah, unfortunately have my hands full already, maybe in couple of weeks I'll have more time |
| 17:52.00 | czr | since you can't your way anyway, you're not going anywhere, so you're ok with that /me jedi_hand_waves. |
| 17:52.08 | czr | can't find your way.. |
| 17:52.44 | alterego | Cool .. My XML browser is working :) |
| 17:53.00 | alterego | 65 lines ^_^ |
| 17:54.03 | czr | yay, pstree works now |
| 17:54.45 | czr | now, if only there would be a similar tool to relate local processes and theads that are communicating via shm, shared files or UNIX_AF(SEQ,STREAM,DATAGRAM) |
| 17:55.11 | czr | straind, since you won't get the gpsd working anyway, can't you ask alterego to teach you how to use ruby to write that tool in 4 or less lines? |
| 17:55.31 | alterego | What tool? |
| 17:55.33 | straind | Are we just trying to slow alterego down? |
| 17:55.45 | alterego | I think that's his evil plan ;) |
| 17:55.59 | czr | I don't think you can slow a person with mental delusions :-) |
| 17:56.04 | czr | or rather, that it would matter much :-) |
| 17:56.23 | czr | alterego, ever used pstree -pu? |
| 17:56.25 | alterego | You're calling me dillusional? You're the paranoid one! |
| 17:56.33 | czr | who told you? |
| 17:56.55 | alterego | I got that impressions from your security oriented software development techniques ;) |
| 17:57.03 | czr | nah, that's just plain sense |
| 17:57.10 | alterego | I haev now. |
| 17:57.12 | alterego | That's neat. |
| 17:57.15 | czr | isn't it |
| 17:57.21 | czr | built that on arm now |
| 17:57.27 | alterego | Cool. |
| 17:57.29 | czr | going to make a map of N800 processes in normal state |
| 17:57.46 | czr | for later research, to find out what does what exactly |
| 17:57.52 | czr | but it would be nice to see also the unix sockets and such |
| 17:57.53 | alterego | I could parse that in Ruby and make a nice GUI. |
| 17:57.56 | alterego | Could you package that? |
| 17:58.02 | czr | alterego, sure, give me a sec |
| 17:58.18 | czr | you just want the binary package? |
| 17:58.27 | alterego | Yeah, I can always compile it myself :) |
| 17:58.29 | czr | pstree comes in psmisc, it also includes killall |
| 17:58.38 | alterego | Are you going to keep the package available? |
| 17:58.40 | czr | that's why I'm weary of throwing you the psmisc package |
| 17:58.49 | czr | humm? it's open source man. standard debian stuff |
| 17:59.06 | alterego | Not everyone wants to compile their stuff :P |
| 17:59.08 | czr | just pull the source to your regular desktop and take the source package off there into the SDK, build in ARMEL and you're set |
| 17:59.14 | czr | I can just give you the binary if you want |
| 17:59.28 | alterego | Neah, don't bother. If I get around to doing it I'll make my own package. |
| 18:00.03 | czr | tis too late: http://koltsoff.com/pub/pstree |
| 18:00.09 | alterego | Damn you! |
| 18:00.11 | czr | chmod +x , for ARMEL/N800. |
| 18:00.28 | alterego | Oh, I thought you were going to make a .deb :P |
| 18:00.32 | czr | no |
| 18:00.39 | czr | I can make a deb too, but that will also give you killall |
| 18:00.43 | czr | and you already have killall |
| 18:00.44 | alterego | I like to release my software :P |
| 18:00.47 | czr | so that would cause a mess |
| 18:00.54 | alterego | Then delete it. |
| 18:00.57 | czr | heh |
| 18:01.00 | alterego | You don't have to put killall in the package. |
| 18:01.07 | czr | it's already packaged |
| 18:01.12 | alterego | :) |
| 18:01.13 | czr | is just rebuilt the package for ARMEL |
| 18:01.14 | czr | duh. |
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| 18:02.01 | pupnik | <air guitar> o_ o/ o_ |
| 18:02.13 | alterego | Hah |
| 18:02.15 | czr | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:02.24 | czr | don't tell you I didn't warn you about it replacing the killall then. |
| 18:02.36 | alterego | Will it break the system? |
| 18:02.37 | czr | I just copied the binary for my device, package completely untested |
| 18:02.43 | czr | it eats your system it's your fault. |
| 18:02.52 | alterego | :) |
| 18:02.59 | alterego | I think I'll make the package myself :P |
| 18:03.08 | czr | hey, what you complaining about? You get FULL GNU WARRANTY! |
| 18:03.09 | alterego | And not replace anything .. |
| 18:03.11 | czr | and FOR FREE! |
| 18:03.40 | pupnik | and the other scientists thought we were mad... |
| 18:03.51 | alterego | Everyone thinks you're mad :P |
| 18:04.38 | pupnik | you... forced me to use it! |
| 18:05.04 | czr | alterego, http://koltsoff.com/pub/n800/ |
| 18:06.24 | czr | pupnik, I? :-) |
| 18:06.51 | alterego | Nice |
| 18:07.08 | czr | what is missing is proper netstat report |
| 18:07.15 | alterego | Right |
| 18:07.16 | czr | going to build the proper netstat in a sec |
| 18:08.31 | pupnik | that dude's "nvi" vi-replacement from bsd is so awesome it should be on maemo.org |
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| 18:10.29 | czr | added the two netstat reports as well, alterego |
| 18:10.57 | czr | -lp = listening processes (tcp, udp and unix sockets), -vp = active connections (tcp, udp and unix) |
| 18:11.14 | czr | the reports are pretty wide |
| 18:11.46 | czr | I find it interesting that maemo_af_desktop is listening on UDP 39400, 39500 and 1900 |
| 18:11.49 | czr | any ideas why? |
| 18:12.10 | czr | ah, the 39500 is TCP, others UDP |
| 18:12.42 | czr | ah. maybe I installed some server software |
| 18:12.50 | czr | 39500 is http at least |
| 18:13.24 | alterego | Weird |
| 18:13.54 | czr | isn't it :-) |
| 18:14.00 | czr | that's why I wanted a proper netstat |
| 18:14.14 | alterego | So what's on 39500? |
| 18:14.27 | czr | maemo_af_desktop (PID 2718 in the listings) |
| 18:14.28 | alterego | What is the HTTP server serving? :) |
| 18:14.29 | czr | accepts HTTP |
| 18:14.33 | czr | 404:s |
| 18:14.38 | czr | oh no, 400s actually |
| 18:14.40 | alterego | Interesting. |
| 18:14.48 | czr | I tried GET / HTTP/1.0, it replied with HTTP/1.0 400 |
| 18:14.54 | czr | (bad request) |
| 18:15.01 | alterego | Oh |
| 18:15.05 | czr | Content-Length: 0 |
| 18:15.09 | czr | Date: Fri, 05 Oct ... |
| 18:15.12 | alterego | Heh |
| 18:15.12 | czr | no other server headers |
| 18:15.29 | czr | now. call me paranoid. |
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| 18:15.43 | alterego | You're paranoid |
| 18:15.43 | czr | but why does a process called 'maemo_af_desktop' need to accept HTTP requests? |
| 18:15.51 | alterego | Check the source. |
| 18:15.54 | alterego | It's available. |
| 18:16.01 | czr | the whole af is open? |
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| 18:16.07 | alterego | Probably not. |
| 18:16.15 | alterego | But maybe the bit you're looking for is :) |
| 18:16.20 | czr | hmm. I'll just add it to the list of stuff to check later when I have more time |
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| 18:16.56 | alterego | Hmm, well, you've certainly found something interesting there :) |
| 18:17.09 | czr | and I didn't even use ruby or meta programming. |
| 18:17.21 | alterego | Why would you? |
| 18:17.32 | czr | :-) |
| 18:17.40 | alterego | I thought you wanted to use Bash :P |
| 18:17.56 | czr | meh. didn't I already throw you out of the window? :-) |
| 18:17.58 | alterego | Which .. I guess you did use actually ^_^ |
| 18:18.17 | czr | well, can't really avoid bash, can I. |
| 18:18.22 | czr | or I could, but I'd rather not. |
| 18:18.40 | czr | hmm. what else do I need to get |
| 18:19.10 | alterego | dmesg would be nice .. |
| 18:19.19 | czr | too late for that for this device |
| 18:19.25 | kala | how do i install the maemokrypt? i cant find a repository and when i download the .deb file the browser displays it in binary |
| 18:19.31 | czr | the buffer is already overwritten with useless stuff |
| 18:19.49 | czr | alterego, I could always boot it and get it then, but I'd rather not now |
| 18:19.51 | Atarii | kala sae the deb file |
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| 18:19.57 | alterego | Sure |
| 18:19.58 | Atarii | save* |
| 18:20.12 | kala | Atarii: hmm.. |
| 18:20.15 | Atarii | then open it in the application manager |
| 18:20.33 | Atarii | i had this problem earlier when tryin to install UKMP |
| 18:20.54 | alterego | I download and save them all before installing packages anyhow. |
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| 18:21.34 | kala | Atarii: oh, there is save as in the menu |
| 18:22.12 | Atarii | yea, dont know why the one click install stopped workin tho |
| 18:22.56 | alterego | Server misconfiguration. |
| 18:23.11 | alterego | If the debs are not being sent with the right content-type |
| 18:23.37 | Atarii | aha |
| 18:23.51 | alterego | Or at least, that's my guess ;) |
| 18:24.06 | kala | Atarii: uh, which extension the app manager looks for? |
| 18:24.09 | alterego | It does frustrate me when people don't set up their servers/application properly .. |
| 18:24.26 | Atarii | .deb |
| 18:24.32 | kala | hmm |
| 18:24.39 | kala | i thought so |
| 18:25.26 | czr | alterego, added new stuff from under proc |
| 18:25.38 | czr | esp 'bootreason' was interesting :-) |
| 18:25.59 | alterego | That's cool. |
| 18:26.17 | czr | not really sure what to display from /sys. there's a lot of stuff there as well, but I'm lacking proper tools to collect everything into a coherent report. |
| 18:26.23 | kala | doesn't fibd any apps to install from folder |
| 18:26.24 | czr | maybe I'll just stop instead :-) |
| 18:26.40 | czr | alterego, anyhow, that stuff is public, so be free to use it for whatever you like |
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| 18:26.52 | czr | it's easy enough to dig out by anyone should they want it |
| 18:26.57 | alterego | czr, thanks. I'll bookmark it :) |
| 18:27.12 | alterego | Nice and convenient. |
| 18:28.01 | czr | remind me to do the dmesg at some point |
| 18:28.05 | alterego | Okay |
| 18:28.34 | Atarii | czr |
| 18:28.39 | kala | also, when i click on krypt.deb, the browser opens it. how come? |
| 18:28.42 | Atarii | port dmesg :p |
| 18:28.56 | alterego | dmesg is already on the device. |
| 18:29.07 | Atarii | coz its saved as filename_deb.htm |
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| 18:29.18 | Atarii | you need to use xterm to rename it to .deb |
| 18:29.18 | alterego | Heh |
| 18:29.26 | kala | Atarii: i renamed it |
| 18:29.34 | kala | xterm? |
| 18:29.35 | _Monkey | rumour has it xterm is the enhanced version of osso-xterm from maemo-hackers. It adds font and color selection support, URL opening through context menu, and a sidebar with additional keys such as Ctrl+letters. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/osso-xterm-advanced or http://dastych.sh.cvut.cz/~jtra/download/maemo/xterm/debs/ for an alternate onscreen keyboard |
| 18:29.44 | Atarii | in xterm? |
| 18:29.48 | kala | huh. ok |
| 18:30.21 | Atarii | u need to use something to rename the actual file including filetype |
| 18:30.27 | Atarii | file browser just renames the name |
| 18:31.31 | Atarii | wat happened to the xterm which uses the hardware arrows for navigation? |
| 18:31.44 | alterego | That one does .. |
| 18:31.50 | alterego | At least it does for me. |
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| 18:33.18 | czr | btw, anyone aware of an osso-xterm for chinook SDK? |
| 18:33.45 | Atarii | it just goes to the last thing typed for me |
| 18:33.47 | czr | had some problems rebuilding libvte yesterday (used by osso-xterm) and the build failed miserably because of this |
| 18:35.18 | kala | umm, where exactly is this Documents folder? |
| 18:35.20 | Atarii | alterego does it scroll up and down for you? |
| 18:35.31 | czr | kala on sdk or device? |
| 18:35.42 | alterego | command history? |
| 18:35.43 | alterego | Yes |
| 18:36.03 | alterego | ~/MyDocs/.documents |
| 18:36.11 | kala | czr: on filesytem |
| 18:36.23 | kala | ah, hidden file |
| 18:36.30 | kala | ;) |
| 18:36.30 | alterego | hidden directory. |
| 18:36.33 | alterego | :P |
| 18:36.41 | czr | that didn't really answer my question, but I guess you got an answer anyway :-) |
| 18:37.12 | Atarii | wat version of xterm do u use alterego? |
| 18:37.45 | alterego | Erm .. |
| 18:37.59 | alterego | I think it's the latest. |
| 18:38.22 | kala | uh. installed. that was hard |
| 18:38.23 | alterego | 0.13.mh24bora1 |
| 18:38.46 | Atarii | o same as me |
| 18:42.55 | kala | but this maemokrypt doesnt really work seamlessly. is there any possibility to use encypted fs.or smthing? |
| 18:43.10 | alterego | There's always a possibility. |
| 18:44.27 | alterego | You could also mount an encrypted image as a loop back device. |
| 18:44.29 | kala | i'm really temped to put ssh private keys and web passwords to n770, but when i lose it... |
| 18:44.34 | alterego | Which would probably be better. |
| 18:45.02 | alterego | You could just hide them. |
| 18:45.57 | kala | in a special app? |
| 18:46.19 | alterego | Nope. |
| 18:46.24 | alterego | Plain text. |
| 18:46.34 | alterego | I might encrypt them at some point. |
| 18:46.35 | kala | hmm... |
| 18:48.24 | kala | as long as you don't have malware on device, you only risk is to loose plaintext passwords. and crypted browser settings and some folders should be fine |
| 18:49.22 | kala | anyway, have to get some encypted sleep as well... |
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| 19:50.18 | cbx33 | hey dudes |
| 19:50.23 | RobAtWork | hi |
| 19:50.23 | _Monkey | que tal, RobAtWork |
| 19:50.35 | RobAtWork | nada pasa |
| 19:50.44 | cbx33 | listen, with the latest what has actually changed....is it worth reflashing everything and losing all my installed apps? |
| 19:50.52 | cbx33 | or shuold i just reflash the kernel |
| 19:50.57 | cbx33 | if so, how do i do that? |
| 19:51.50 | RobAtWork | pupnik, did anything more ever come of that samegame port you did? |
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| 19:52.12 | RobAtWork | here comes teh cavalry |
| 19:52.27 | r2d2rogers | cbx33, still have that question? |
| 19:52.33 | cbx33 | r2d2rogers, yes |
| 19:52.38 | r2d2rogers | one sec |
| 19:52.42 | cbx33 | hey pupnik long time |
| 19:52.44 | cbx33 | thanks |
| 19:52.45 | r2d2rogers | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=79099#post79099 |
| 19:52.55 | r2d2rogers | posted that to a blog jsut today ;) |
| 19:53.08 | cbx33 | ahhh |
| 19:53.10 | cbx33 | hehe |
| 19:53.10 | r2d2rogers | I'm glad google reader got a search now |
| 19:53.14 | cbx33 | i think it was mine |
| 19:53.19 | r2d2rogers | it made it MUCH easier to find |
| 19:53.25 | cbx33 | yeh |
| 19:53.28 | r2d2rogers | naah the blog was http://jkontherun.blogs.com/jkontherun/2007/10/nokia-n800-upda.html |
| 19:53.32 | cbx33 | oooh |
| 19:53.37 | cbx33 | it was also posted as a link on mine |
| 19:53.43 | cbx33 | what else has changed aside fro mthe kernel? |
| 19:53.51 | cbx33 | someone mentioned a downloads bug too? |
| 19:53.51 | r2d2rogers | nothing |
| 19:53.57 | cbx33 | oh ok |
| 19:54.07 | r2d2rogers | they didn't want to confuse the issue with the upcoming chinook release |
| 19:54.07 | cbx33 | I'll flash the kernel tomorrow then ;) |
| 19:54.11 | cbx33 | oooh |
| 19:54.16 | cbx33 | is chinook for n800? |
| 19:54.18 | r2d2rogers | maemo 4 <G> |
| 19:54.20 | cbx33 | what will it bring? |
| 19:54.20 | r2d2rogers | yeah |
| 19:54.26 | r2d2rogers | not certain |
| 19:54.27 | cbx33 | oooh tell me tell me |
| 19:54.29 | cbx33 | I'm all excited |
| 19:54.30 | r2d2rogers | I'm on a 770 |
| 19:54.33 | cbx33 | ahhh |
| 19:54.35 | r2d2rogers | sorry |
| 19:54.37 | cbx33 | how long till it's released? |
| 19:54.40 | cbx33 | do we know? |
| 19:54.55 | r2d2rogers | checking again onemin |
| 19:54.59 | cbx33 | thanky |
| 19:55.02 | pupnik | whodat? |
| 19:55.19 | r2d2rogers | me? |
| 19:55.22 | pupnik | RobAtWork: i did sometink wif samegame? |
| 19:55.24 | cbx33 | hey pupnik |
| 19:55.32 | pupnik | hie! |
| 19:55.34 | cbx33 | r2d2rogers, brb |
| 19:55.38 | cbx33 | thanks for checking for me |
| 19:55.38 | r2d2rogers | ko |
| 19:55.41 | r2d2rogers | wlecome |
| 19:55.44 | RobAtWork | I was reading a log that suggested you had |
| 19:55.55 | RobAtWork | from like July |
| 19:55.57 | pupnik | i probably played with it and got bored fast |
| 19:56.27 | RobAtWork | ok that's what I was wondering |
| 19:56.43 | pupnik | oh yaaa |
| 19:56.51 | RobAtWork | http://pupnik.de/gtkboard_0.11pre0-5_armel.deb |
| 19:56.52 | pupnik | gtk board games / gtkboard |
| 19:56.53 | RobAtWork | that |
| 19:57.10 | pupnik | all the gtk stuff is back-burner atm |
| 19:57.15 | RobAtWork | fair enough |
| 19:57.35 | RobAtWork | a same game clone is the one I play the most on my phone, thought I'd seek out a 770 version, and found that log |
| 19:57.41 | r2d2rogers | cbx33, bug fix release info http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/view/fb25171d15b856da803708b8e75ca29c.html |
| 19:58.00 | pupnik | i think it just needs resizing and menu conversion |
| 19:58.42 | RobAtWork | that one, yeah |
| 19:58.56 | RobAtWork | one of the games in there crashed the app so I just uninstalled it :) |
| 19:59.07 | RobAtWork | ...I thnk |
| 20:00.08 | r2d2rogers | I wish planet maemo had better search |
| 20:00.33 | r2d2rogers | cbx33, chinook look and feel http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/view/f07ba4d48650e5379582d4e047e7f780.html |
| 20:00.39 | cbx33 | thanks |
| 20:00.54 | r2d2rogers | cbx33, API info... http://maemo.org/development/sdks/api_changes_between_maemo_3_2_and_maemo_4_0.html |
| 20:01.02 | cbx33 | cool |
| 20:01.06 | r2d2rogers | depends on how deep you wanna get on that one |
| 20:01.38 | r2d2rogers | and stuff about running chinook on the SDcards/MMC for N800 |
| 20:01.42 | r2d2rogers | want that one? |
| 20:03.04 | r2d2rogers | http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/view/bc6fb813d043587504b897c6bf62292a.html |
| 20:03.05 | r2d2rogers | <G> |
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| 20:50.42 | kuzew | Hey, anyone around? |
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| 21:18.22 | pupnik | http://strlen.com/gfxengine/fisheyequake/compare.html Quake engine with unlimited vield-of-vision |
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| 21:27.26 | Fatal | cool, it's the guy who did Amiga E, I used to code utils in that back when my amiga was still working :D |
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| 22:12.14 | |R | any particular reasons why doing "apt-get install bash" would tell me that packages will be REMOVED and the list is a 100 packages long (basically everything useful i have :P) |
| 22:13.53 | pupnik | The Omniscent 4K Intro is a demo (using only 4K bytes of disc space) that contains a complete 6DOF engine ala descent from Dirk Kueppers ( kueppers@informatik.uni-koblenz.de ) ftp://ftp.scene.org/mirrors/hornet/demos/1997/s/snc_omna.zip |
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| 22:14.06 | pupnik | happened to me too |R |
| 22:14.38 | |R | found a way around it? get the package and --force it? ;) |
| 22:15.27 | Atarii | descent in 4kb? |
| 22:15.38 | pupnik | yeah with graphics |
| 22:15.38 | |R | hehe that demo is slick :) |
| 22:15.48 | |R | saw it a while back, don't remember when/why... |
| 22:16.25 | pupnik | well you could install maybe with dpkg -i |
| 22:16.30 | pupnik | then apt wouldn't remove anything |
| 22:17.11 | pupnik | but i'd check first with dpkg-deb -X to see what it will overwrite first |
| 22:17.59 | |R | good idea.. :) |
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| 22:19.23 | Atarii | wish i had media centre, MCEGuru looks sweet |
| 22:23.06 | |R | pupnik : is removing the /bin/sh and /bin/bash links to busybox isn't going to screw up things? i've read that people changed their shell on the ITT forum and couldn't boot..? :) |
| 22:23.19 | |R | (just don't want to reinstall for 4h haha ;) |
| 22:23.48 | pupnik | <Harekiet> http://www.256b.com/demo/225 that remains the best :) |
| 22:23.59 | pupnik | this is not possible |
| 22:24.11 | pupnik | i do not believe i am seeing this |
| 22:24.26 | |R | haha :) |
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| 22:29.41 | pupnik | 012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890 <- that times 5 is how many bytes are in that program |
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