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| 00:26.06 | t_s_o | would love to see a web tablet running on this one: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2917028234.html |
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| 00:49.19 | birgi | night everybody, is there a c/c++ compiler for maemo? |
| 00:57.15 | pupnik | gcc |
| 01:04.39 | pupnik | darn this alsa |
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| 03:14.16 | unique311 | ok, i just learned this, and need to share.. |
| 03:14.24 | unique311 | How to get drunk fast. |
| 03:14.44 | unique311 | really fast |
| 03:15.54 | unique311 | beer or wine enema. btw, off topic. |
| 03:16.04 | Luria | iv ethanol? |
| 03:16.15 | unique311 | that will work also |
| 03:16.36 | Luria | how did you learn such a thing? |
| 03:16.50 | unique311 | manswers.... |
| 03:16.56 | unique311 | a show on spiketv |
| 03:17.01 | Luria | i know the show |
| 03:17.05 | unique311 | lol |
| 03:17.21 | Luria | shame. a better answer and i could have put this on bash |
| 03:17.29 | Luria | :-> |
| 03:18.21 | Luria | like a story involving a shetland pony, a bearded woman, a golf ball, and a garden hose. |
| 03:19.41 | unique311 | http://www.funnydump.com/files/bNf1FjxC.jpg a supported. |
| 03:21.18 | Tb0n3 | dumps are not funny |
| 03:21.20 | Tb0n3 | they're smelly |
| 03:22.24 | unique311 | Tb0n3: no a beer enema is not suppose to be funny....its suppose to get you really fucked up. |
| 03:22.42 | unique311 | drinking wine gets me fecked up. |
| 03:22.53 | unique311 | wine is dangerous stuff |
| 03:22.59 | Luria | wine is good |
| 03:23.00 | Tb0n3 | funny how you mention this now and it was on 4chan not too long ago |
| 03:23.29 | unique311 | sorry for not being hip to 4chan |
| 03:23.41 | unique311 | i just saw it on spiketv on manswers... |
| 03:23.42 | Luria | but yeah, windows apps under linux could be dangerous |
| 03:24.14 | Tb0n3 | wine is not dangerous stuff, it's sophisticated stuff, you hoodlums just keep using it like it were hard liquor |
| 03:24.21 | Tb0n3 | :P |
| 03:24.38 | Tb0n3 | lolboxofwine |
| 03:24.46 | Luria | ugh |
| 03:24.52 | Luria | wineboxes. |
| 03:25.09 | unique311 | wow, hoodlums... |
| 03:25.15 | unique311 | thanks for the branding. |
| 03:25.20 | unique311 | made my night. |
| 03:25.41 | Luria | btw |
| 03:25.41 | Luria | http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/09/30/india.nazi.bedspread.ap/ |
| 03:26.03 | Luria | the funnydump pic isnt so shocking |
| 03:26.13 | unique311 | wow. |
| 03:26.51 | unique311 | it isn't |
| 03:27.24 | Tb0n3 | well, if that were in the united states where there's freedom of speech |
| 03:27.34 | Tb0n3 | oh wait, nevermind, they'd still get sued by jews |
| 03:27.41 | Tb0n3 | omg, I'm offended by wtf u r doin |
| 03:27.49 | Tb0n3 | stop it or I sue |
| 03:27.59 | Luria | see, a confederate flag flying in the north of germany, that was a bit shocking |
| 03:28.04 | Tb0n3 | lol |
| 03:28.22 | unique311 | freedom of speech is there.... |
| 03:28.29 | Tb0n3 | see a nazi flag in germany and it'll be gone in a second |
| 03:28.44 | Tb0n3 | also new flag says "No halocaustlol" |
| 03:28.44 | unique311 | just gotta know how to go about it, i guess. |
| 03:29.02 | unique311 | freedom of speech, but....Should be what is said. |
| 03:29.41 | Tb0n3 | you should be able to go into court and say "freedom of speech lol" and actually pronounce the lol so they know it's retarded to prosecute for percieved "offences" |
| 03:29.53 | Tb0n3 | there's many freedoms |
| 03:30.11 | Tb0n3 | if the company wants business they can change their stuff, but if they want they should be able to make what they want |
| 03:30.26 | unique311 | well they should... |
| 03:30.39 | Luria | i have no idea what the laws in india are |
| 03:30.44 | Tb0n3 | meh |
| 03:30.49 | Luria | and i suspect neither do you. |
| 03:30.50 | unique311 | but considering the jews rule the world right now....i would be very careful about |
| 03:31.00 | Tb0n3 | fuck religion |
| 03:31.03 | Tb0n3 | eherm |
| 03:31.04 | unique311 | selling stuff that would offend them.. |
| 03:31.25 | Luria | true. |
| 03:31.28 | unique311 | same here, i think the world is better of without religion.. |
| 03:31.30 | Tb0n3 | well, it's more corporations, but corps don't run the courts |
| 03:31.44 | Tb0n3 | just the lawyers |
| 03:31.50 | unique311 | you sure |
| 03:32.17 | Tb0n3 | all religion does is cause enmity towards others and high standards that just cause people to hide what they're doing |
| 03:32.31 | Tb0n3 | it's not a solution, it's a rug to cover the dirt |
| 03:32.54 | Tb0n3 | "There are about 5,500 Jews living in India, a predominantly Hindu nation of 1.1 billion people." |
| 03:32.55 | Tb0n3 | HA |
| 03:33.22 | Tb0n3 | what about the symbol on buddah's hand though, I'm sure somebody's offended by that |
| 03:34.18 | unique311 | what's this symbol? |
| 03:35.25 | Tb0n3 | I believe it's a swastica |
| 03:35.28 | Luria | well, speaking as a jew who used to work for a non profit group representing holocaust survivors.... no, no one cares about the swastikas on buddas. |
| 03:35.29 | Tb0n3 | but not called that |
| 03:35.30 | unique311 | google doesn't seem to want to help me with that one.. |
| 03:36.09 | Tb0n3 | I used to wear a shirt from tshirt hell "I like my women like I like my coffee" "ground up and in the freezer" so I don't care about offending people |
| 03:36.16 | unique311 | its on his chest.. |
| 03:36.19 | unique311 | also |
| 03:36.25 | Tb0n3 | also, "rape is no laughing matter" "unless you're raping a clown" |
| 03:36.28 | unique311 | http://www.mega.nu/ampp/eden/buddha01.jpg |
| 03:36.32 | Tb0n3 | and it's in his palms |
| 03:36.33 | Luria | also, there is a difference between a hackenkreuz and a swastika, though not in common speech. |
| 03:37.14 | Tb0n3 | so, clockwise/counterclockwise, square/diamond? |
| 03:37.37 | Tb0n3 | crap, I should stop now, I'm already known several other places for my monologues and rants |
| 03:37.41 | unique311 | so the hackenkreuz was being sported by the kid in the picture.... |
| 03:37.58 | Luria | pretty much. but its also fairly contextual. |
| 03:38.21 | Tb0n3 | no, the kid is wearing a swastica |
| 03:38.47 | unique311 | the bedspread is nazi all the way...nothing to do with buddha there right.. |
| 03:38.55 | Luria | i think the issue here was the "NAZI" name for the line. |
| 03:39.27 | Tb0n3 | it's a symbol, as the article says they don't know wtf hitler was so well known for, just another guy in history, people make fun of wars |
| 03:39.29 | Tb0n3 | like ours right now |
| 03:39.36 | Luria | i suspect a line of bedsheets with swastikas only wouldnt have been noticed |
| 03:40.06 | Luria | all i can say - its a good thing they werent making lampshades. |
| 03:40.06 | unique311 | hey Tb0n3 our war has a meaning.. |
| 03:40.11 | unique311 | oil. |
| 03:40.20 | Tb0n3 | then why are gas prices rising |
| 03:40.26 | Tb0n3 | if it were for oil then it wouldn't make sense |
| 03:40.27 | unique311 | not sure..lol |
| 03:40.37 | Tb0n3 | we're there because our president had an agenda |
| 03:40.44 | Tb0n3 | avenge daddy |
| 03:40.45 | unique311 | maybe it would be 3 times as high, if the war didn't happen.. |
| 03:41.21 | unique311 | All wars have reasons....may not be good ones at times... |
| 03:41.24 | Tb0n3 | what I don't understand is, wtf did we go after saddam when he wasn't the one who did anything to us recently |
| 03:41.26 | unique311 | but reasons are there.. |
| 03:41.30 | Tb0n3 | that coulda been put on the backburner |
| 03:41.38 | unique311 | i know it sucks to think this way... |
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| 03:41.45 | Tb0n3 | send 1million troops to afganistan and maybe shit wouldn't have gotten away |
| 03:42.10 | Tb0n3 | who's a bin laden? |
| 03:42.19 | Tb0n3 | sounds familiar |
| 03:42.28 | unique311 | he might be dead.. |
| 03:42.32 | Tb0n3 | wasn't that the guy who helped saddam bomb the us? |
| 03:42.36 | Tb0n3 | :P |
| 03:44.58 | Luria | grrr why did i stay home.... sigh... cute women |
| 03:45.48 | unique311 | predictions for the next leader that gets it from america? bets? |
| 03:46.02 | unique311 | wed. night.... |
| 03:46.13 | Tb0n3 | how about bush |
| 03:46.19 | Tb0n3 | I want bush to get it from america |
| 03:46.25 | unique311 | not going to happen.. |
| 03:46.41 | Tb0n3 | then again, if he got it, we'd be stuck with the devil himself |
| 03:46.58 | Luria | umm, no one? |
| 03:46.59 | _Monkey | no one is on skype now |
| 03:47.06 | Tb0n3 | XD |
| 03:47.10 | Luria | _monkey, die? |
| 03:47.10 | _Monkey | no idea, luria |
| 03:47.47 | Tb0n3 | http://www.infomercialscams.com/scams/video_professor |
| 03:47.48 | Tb0n3 | :D |
| 03:47.57 | unique311 | Iran presidente, is really acting invincible right about now.... |
| 03:48.56 | Luria | na und?` |
| 03:48.58 | Tb0n3 | when have we gone after the most deserving enemy? |
| 03:49.20 | unique311 | touche |
| 03:49.35 | Tb0n3 | we'll probably go after tony blair or something |
| 03:49.50 | Tb0n3 | cause he dun totally screwed us over by giving up |
| 03:50.05 | Tb0n3 | :P |
| 03:50.28 | Luria | screw going out. pizza. |
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| 03:50.55 | Tb0n3 | yum |
| 03:51.07 | Luria | god bless seamlessweb.com |
| 03:51.18 | Luria | and delivery.com too |
| 03:51.19 | Tb0n3 | with flasher-2.0 do I have to have only 1 usb device plugged in for it to recognize it? |
| 03:51.25 | Luria | and freshdirect |
| 03:51.30 | Tb0n3 | cause it didn't seem to work on ubuntu 6.06 |
| 03:56.31 | Tb0n3 | who knows somebody who still owns windows ME |
| 03:57.12 | Luria | i own it... i even had it installed on a computer for about an hour and a half |
| 03:57.28 | Luria | seven years ago |
| 03:57.36 | Tb0n3 | lol |
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| 04:02.22 | Luria | oooh alds yankees tomorrow |
| 04:03.50 | Luria | boston/nyy alcs would rock |
| 04:06.30 | Blacksitox | bye |
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| 04:24.58 | Luria | gyro pizza or mexican. thse are the choices that try men's souls. |
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| 04:31.20 | Luria | hmmm nothing's happening with the hildon ham group. shame. |
| 04:33.11 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:33.24 | Luria | hey thanks |
| 04:33.26 | pupnik | graah Audacity adds 4.6 seconds to the end of every sample |
| 04:33.43 | pupnik | amateurs! |
| 04:35.04 | Luria | hmmm... 44 people for the slashdot party in nyc |
| 04:35.04 | Luria | not bad |
| 04:35.54 | pupnik | I should open a mexican fast food joint someday |
| 04:37.02 | Luria | if you do, sign up with seamlessweb and delivery.com |
| 04:37.26 | Luria | i love ordering food online |
| 04:49.52 | pupnik | there appear hm 39 mexican restaurants in hessen (pop 6.2 million) |
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| 05:09.34 | unique311 | i have a hardrive that i think is stuck in sleep mode.. |
| 05:09.42 | unique311 | can it be waken up. |
| 05:10.10 | unique311 | come to find out, everything in my thinkpad is ok..the hardrive is just sleep and will not wake up... |
| 05:10.19 | unique311 | or broken... |
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| 05:14.43 | Tb0n3 | ummm |
| 05:14.47 | Tb0n3 | harddrives don't sleep |
| 05:15.01 | Tb0n3 | it's the computer's problem, just hard reboot |
| 05:15.01 | pupnik | they can |
| 05:15.10 | ulpe | sounds like a bad horror movie name |
| 05:15.16 | Tb0n3 | lol |
| 05:15.22 | pupnik | man hdparm |
| 05:15.26 | Tb0n3 | look out for the harddrive that never sleeps |
| 05:15.37 | ulpe | "Harddrives don't sleep" in theater near you! |
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| 05:15.59 | pupnik | hdparm -S Set the standby (spindown) timeout for the drive |
| 05:16.07 | Tb0n3 | awww, and here I thought I could eat my hd with parmesian |
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| 05:23.20 | pupnik | repositories? |
| 05:23.20 | _Monkey | hmmm... repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php |
| 05:23.54 | pupnik | 0 repos for wxwidgets |
| 05:24.17 | pupnik | would be nice to have libwxgtk2.6-0 |
| 05:28.55 | pupnik | is it even possible/practical to get wxwidgets on the tablet? |
| 05:29.32 | czr | possible yes, practical not very maybe. not sure about the build deps on it, but if they're complex then you might want to rethink |
| 05:29.46 | unique311 | hardrive is definitely screwed... |
| 05:30.21 | pupnik | http://n770.herraiz.org/archives/18 I am working in the port of wxWidgets and wxPython to the Maemo platform |
| 05:30.47 | czr | pupnik, any reason why wx instead of gtk? (just curious) |
| 05:31.12 | pupnik | audacity wants wx |
| 05:31.32 | czr | audacity also wants a lot of resources if you want to use it for anything practical |
| 05:31.41 | czr | and the GUI isn't very useable with small reso either |
| 05:31.47 | czr | at least imho |
| 05:32.35 | pupnik | yah |
| 05:32.45 | czr | but hmm. I don't see why you couldn't port wx over to maemo |
| 05:33.10 | czr | I have a lot of crazy projects as well, so I'm in no position to say that yours sucks :-) |
| 05:33.21 | pupnik | actually running one in a window now at 640x480 |
| 05:33.33 | pupnik | it's not serious |
| 05:33.36 | czr | how many tracks can you fit there? |
| 05:33.43 | czr | noddds. |
| 05:34.37 | pupnik | umm checking |
| 05:35.05 | pupnik | about 6 would be usable |
| 05:35.38 | czr | I normally use about two tracks at a time (visible) with vert reso of ~900 |
| 05:36.05 | czr | but I guess I'm picky then :-) (I like to see the waveforms properly) |
| 05:36.06 | pupnik | sorry i wrong |
| 05:36.14 | pupnik | about 3 tracks |
| 05:36.27 | czr | you planning to do rework on the GUI? |
| 05:36.34 | czr | for maemo |
| 05:36.41 | pupnik | no i am not gonna touch it |
| 05:36.45 | czr | ok |
| 05:36.55 | czr | maybe then it would be suitable for one/two tracks |
| 05:37.07 | czr | can't imagine using it for real work though, not with the stylus at least |
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| 05:37.14 | czr | but I'm limited! |
| 05:37.25 | pupnik | there are no rightclicks in audacity |
| 05:37.41 | Tb0n3 | how should my 770 be when I connect to the usb for flasher |
| 05:37.46 | czr | oh, I'm not worried about those (don't use them), I'm more worried about the resolution of the touch pad |
| 05:38.03 | pupnik | Tb0n3: off |
| 05:38.04 | czr | Tb0n3, read the instructions? |
| 05:38.21 | Tb0n3 | point to instructions? |
| 05:38.29 | czr | flasher? |
| 05:38.30 | _Monkey | i heard flasher was available from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com |
| 05:38.39 | Tb0n3 | and that's where I got it from |
| 05:38.43 | Tb0n3 | but there's no instructions to it |
| 05:39.00 | czr | weird |
| 05:39.24 | czr | there used to be (long time ago, in a galaxy far away) |
| 05:39.34 | Tb0n3 | I'll try it on feisty fawn, if I can get it started |
| 05:39.43 | Tb0n3 | some reason my laptop doesn't like it much |
| 05:39.44 | czr | Tb0n3, this? : http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux |
| 05:40.01 | czr | Tb0n3, and this: https://maemo.org/community/wiki/flasher_tool_usage.html |
| 05:40.12 | pupnik | can you teach them to monkey pls - i'm off |
| 05:40.36 | czr | pupnikzzz, later, and good luck with your port |
| 05:40.41 | Tb0n3 | aha |
| 05:40.44 | Tb0n3 | shut off |
| 05:40.45 | Tb0n3 | :D |
| 05:40.55 | Tb0n3 | well, I'll be back |
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| 05:58.53 | Tb0n3r | yay, I figured out what it was |
| 05:58.58 | Tb0n3r | I didn't turn it on |
| 05:59.03 | Tb0n3r | hooray for rtfming |
| 06:00.14 | Tb0n3r | guess, I'll see how 2007 is |
| 06:01.03 | czr | 2007 been quite ok so far |
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| 06:53.59 | zchydem | is it a known feature that after running command: "PAGER=less fakeroot apt-get dist-upgrade" when upgrading SDK, the network stops working? |
| 06:55.00 | jjo_ | I'm guessing you mead upgrading from 3.1 to 3.2 |
| 06:55.07 | zchydem | jeps |
| 06:55.09 | jjo_ | and no, it's not a feature |
| 06:55.55 | zchydem | I tried to do that twice, and the problem occured twice.. |
| 06:57.07 | zchydem | is there a "nice and clean way" to install maemo SDK directly to the latest version without doing any apt-get update stuff? |
| 06:57.39 | jjo_ | not for 3.2 |
| 06:57.54 | jjo_ | it's such a minor upgrade |
| 06:57.56 | zchydem | how about the 4.0 beta |
| 06:57.59 | zchydem | ? |
| 06:58.37 | jjo_ | beta 4.0 will install stuff from the internet |
| 06:59.01 | jjo_ | are you starting from scratch? I mean first scratchbox install and all... |
| 06:59.20 | zchydem | jeps I'm a newbie:) |
| 06:59.35 | jjo_ | ok, then it might be the 'well known' bug |
| 06:59.36 | zchydem | waiting my first N800 to arrive in few days.. |
| 06:59.53 | Fatal | you plan on buying more than one? :) |
| 07:00.28 | jjo_ | the problem is most likely in /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 07:00.45 | jjo_ | it's copied directly from your host system when you install sb |
| 07:01.22 | zchydem | ok and I have done the "host: files dns" modification to that file.. |
| 07:01.23 | jjo_ | and the line beginning with 'hosts:' should only have options 'files dns' |
| 07:01.33 | zchydem | after that apt-get update works |
| 07:01.51 | zchydem | but after running "PAGER=less..." network stops working |
| 07:02.32 | jjo_ | it should not touch anything that would affect the network connections |
| 07:03.11 | jjo_ | when you upgrade, does it still fetch and install the packages and then stop working |
| 07:03.27 | zchydem | yes |
| 07:03.49 | jjo_ | so you get the latest stuff and then it'll get broken |
| 07:03.53 | zchydem | yes |
| 07:04.01 | jjo_ | does the same happen with 4.0 beta? |
| 07:04.23 | zchydem | no, I haven't tried that yet, but I'm planning to try it tonight |
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| 07:06.07 | zchydem | or maybe I should try it out now and waste valuable "time" here at work:) |
| 07:06.25 | jjo_ | :) |
| 07:07.39 | zchydem | jjo_, my problem is not familiar to you? |
| 07:08.32 | jjo_ | I've never heard anything like that |
| 07:08.54 | jjo_ | if you figure it out, I'd like to know what went wrond though |
| 07:09.25 | jumpula | make sure nsswitch.conf and resolv.conf are correct on both, host and the target side |
| 07:09.49 | jumpula | eg. /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf and /etc/nsswitch.conf inside scratchbox |
| 07:09.58 | jumpula | and same for the resolv.conf |
| 07:10.01 | jjo_ | but nothing should touch those files |
| 07:10.12 | jjo_ | but there's no harm in checking |
| 07:10.18 | zchydem | I've had two problems orignally..the first was that could get network working with wlan. The fix was not to use wlan. May the existence of the two network interface fo something? |
| 07:10.33 | zchydem | fo=do |
| 07:10.37 | jumpula | don't know about anything touching the files, from there i would start solving the problem :) |
| 07:10.56 | jumpula | if my network would be unresponsive |
| 07:10.58 | jumpula | that is |
| 07:11.07 | zchydem | jumpula, the network works before running the "PAGER=less.." command |
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| 07:11.49 | jumpula | that's interesting, since that only specifies the command using which text files are viewed |
| 07:12.04 | jumpula | shouldn't have an effect like that |
| 07:12.50 | jjo_ | the command was the one specified to upgrade from 3.1 to 3.2 |
| 07:13.25 | jumpula | yeah |
| 07:13.49 | jjo_ | then it upgrades fine and network stops working, and that's just weird |
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| 07:24.23 | zchydem | btw, has anyone tried to use/build QTopia on N800? Someone had build KDE for N800, but I think it's not very usable... |
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| 08:53.30 | AD-N770 | bon dia / good morning |
| 08:58.00 | jumpula | hyvää huomenta |
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| 09:11.30 | guardian | do you know the status of hildon input method framework in chinook ? |
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| 09:34.30 | pupnikzzz | -/nick pupnik |
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| 09:48.38 | pupnik | no irc before coffee for me! |
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| 09:54.17 | lardman | morning all |
| 09:54.24 | pupnik | mogeh |
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| 10:12.20 | solmumaha | morning |
| 10:12.20 | _Monkey | aloha |
| 10:13.21 | pupnik | o/ |
| 10:18.50 | b0unc3 | morning ppl |
| 10:20.11 | edistar | anything wrong with the maemo site? |
| 10:21.02 | edistar | not anymore, strange |
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| 10:28.58 | edistar | is it possible to have a media upnp server outside the subnet? e.g. I have a wifi-router that is attached to a switch, on that switch the server is also attached, but my 770 connects through the wifi-router |
| 10:30.39 | dev | edistar: it is difficult, as the SSDP udp multicast is supposed to stay in the lan |
| 10:30.45 | pupnik | http://vogons.zetafleet.com/viewtopic.php?t=16816 DOSBox 0.7x problem with pointer alignment (or endianness?) since cvs commit Jan 24, 2007. Likely candidate in vga_memory.cpp Please pass the hat and see if someone can help. |
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| 10:32.50 | edistar | dev: ok, thx |
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| 11:02.45 | lardman | pupnik: Did you see Serge's reply on ITT? |
| 11:04.43 | pupnik | nope |
| 11:05.31 | lardman | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10196 |
| 11:05.36 | pupnik | ty |
| 11:08.47 | zwnj | is 2.6.18-omap1 the kernel version of 4.2007.38-2 ? |
| 11:09.10 | lardman | you might also want to look at any structs: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/2007-September/011682.html |
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| 11:15.29 | lardman | zwnj: It must be the same as the previous version as you can get away with only flashing the kernel (i.e. no modules) |
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| 11:18.04 | zwnj | well, i just flashed the kernel, as described here http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=79099&postcount=61 . so the only thing i can check is the date, yes? |
| 11:18.48 | zwnj | the kernel date is 21 Sep, is it the new one? |
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| 11:19.21 | lardman | ah, hang on, I've not flashed it, I'll tell you mine |
| 11:20.08 | lardman | Mine's Sun Aug 12th |
| 11:20.49 | lardman | ah, but mine's been rebuilt, so ignore that |
| 11:21.23 | lardman | anyone with the previous N800 kernel care to give the output of uname -a ? |
| 11:22.44 | pupnik | wow lardman you rule |
| 11:22.48 | pupnik | [96001.396148] Alignment trap: dosbox (1363) PC=0x000962d0 Instr=0xe5802004 Addres s=0x014ab5eb FSR 0x813 |
| 11:25.44 | lardman | now you just have to work out how to find the code that does that! |
| 11:26.31 | lardman | probably a single arcane gdb instruction :) |
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| 11:28.39 | lardman | zwnj: I think you should be safe, that date is well and truly after the release date of the last image |
| 11:30.23 | neal | I'm trying to install the Maemo 3.2 root strap. I followed the tutorial and am now trying to build some stuff. When I run apt-get update && apt-get install -f, I get: The following packages will be REMOVED: bash evolution-data-server-dev hildon-base-lib-dev hildon-control-panel-dev... |
| 11:30.44 | neal | which looks pretty bad |
| 11:31.03 | neal | any ideas why 3.2 wouldn't work? |
| 11:31.07 | neal | or what I need to add? |
| 11:31.18 | lardman | why are you upgrading? |
| 11:31.27 | neal | I'm not upgrading |
| 11:31.31 | neal | I'm installing |
| 11:31.42 | lardman | what does apt-get install -f do? |
| 11:31.44 | neal | I started with nothing |
| 11:31.48 | lardman | oh |
| 11:31.52 | neal | it tries to fix my installation |
| 11:32.13 | lardman | dunno then, I just downloaded the rootstrap and left it be |
| 11:32.43 | neal | well I need to install some packages to be able to work on what I'd like |
| 11:33.18 | lardman | No idea, sorry. I no almost nothing about how the debian package system works |
| 11:33.33 | lardman | no! oops, that's very poor - know even |
| 11:39.30 | pupnik | http://pastebin.ca/725396 |
| 11:39.48 | pupnik | lul bt |
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| 11:43.00 | lardman | pupnik: I didn't think backtraces were supposed to work on ARM, probably depends on the compilation options though |
| 11:43.04 | velco | hi |
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| 11:44.17 | velco | I'm trying to build some software (microb), which says it needs libcairo2, bc and some other packages. Where does one get these from ? |
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| 11:45.09 | lardman | the maemo repo I guess, it should be setup already afaicr |
| 11:46.04 | lardman | libcairo, strange that's needed and isn't already installed.... |
| 11:46.43 | velco | apt-get install libcairp2-dev |
| 11:46.52 | velco | E: Couldn't find package libcairo2-dev |
| 11:46.57 | velco | etc. |
| 11:47.16 | velco | from here deb http://repository.maemo.org/ bora free non-free |
| 11:47.35 | lardman | you haven't grabbed the source for a new version of microb? Chinook is supposed to use cairo |
| 11:47.52 | velco | browser is from svn |
| 11:48.37 | lardman | I have libcairo.so.2.11.4 installed on my n800 |
| 11:48.56 | zuh | lardman: Do you have evince? |
| 11:49.08 | lardman | zuh: yes, I may have |
| 11:49.25 | zuh | AFAIK cairo isn't in the official images, but evince pulls it in from extras or somewhere... |
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| 11:49.46 | lardman | ah, okay |
| 11:53.18 | pupnik | lardman: maybe someday we get a /dev/sound/sequencer? dsptask for alsa? :) |
| 11:54.02 | lardman | pupnik: You never know. This bloody vorbis decoder is a real pita though - debugging on the DSP is not quick and easy |
| 11:54.16 | pupnik | :/ |
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| 11:54.41 | lardman | pupnik: at least not using the free tools, the Windows stuff from Ti has a remote debugger, would be nice :) |
| 11:54.59 | pupnik | has nokia expressed any interest in your work yet? |
| 11:55.23 | lardman | I've not produced anything yet! :) |
| 11:55.38 | lardman | It would be a community add-on anyway |
| 11:56.16 | lardman | I think the reason there's no dsp vorbis task atm was something to do with lawyers |
| 11:57.12 | lardman | but I have been talking to some of the Nokia DSP people and they were helpful and friendly, so I'm quite content |
| 11:59.41 | mbuf | lardman, hi, you use Trace32 for debugging? |
| 12:00.26 | lardman | mbuf: no, looks commercial to me? |
| 12:00.56 | mbuf | lardman, yes |
| 12:01.30 | pupnik | it crashes at vga.latch.d=((Bit32u*)vga.mem.linear)[start] |
| 12:01.35 | pupnik | gdb = cool |
| 12:01.49 | lardman | mbuf: this is an amateur hobby for me |
| 12:02.12 | mbuf | lardman, i see |
| 12:02.52 | lardman | I also think that to use any sort of remote debugger I'll need support in the dsp kernel, and I'm not sure what's in there - I don't want to recompile if I can avoid it |
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| 12:07.36 | pupnik | (gdb) set print address on |
| 12:07.37 | pupnik | (gdb) p 66712 |
| 12:07.37 | pupnik | $2 = 66712 |
| 12:08.14 | neal | l *0xXXXXX |
| 12:08.37 | neal | that will print the code corresponding to a memory address |
| 12:09.28 | pupnik | ty |
| 12:14.40 | lardman | pupnik: Come on, put us out of our misery, what's caused the problem! |
| 12:14.51 | lardman | :) |
| 12:16.56 | pupnik | a cast |
| 12:17.11 | pupnik | vga.latch.d=((Bit32u*)vga.mem.linear)[start]; |
| 12:17.35 | pupnik | removing (Bit32u*) got past the error |
| 12:18.30 | lardman | well done |
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| 12:20.34 | pupnik | it is all Qbix telling me what to do |
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| 12:50.34 | Blacksitox | hi :P |
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| 12:53.52 | Tak|work | morning all |
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| 13:00.27 | Tak|work | so what did that fix? |
| 13:01.09 | pupnik | there's no real fix yet - but it was dosbox's uint32 pointer cast that caused the unaligned access |
| 13:01.30 | Tak|work | ah |
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| 13:04.25 | Tak|work | how long until I can play Tie Fighter in dosbox? :-P |
| 13:04.42 | Tak|work | ooo, or daggerfall |
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| 13:06.28 | pupnik | not soon |
| 13:06.41 | Tak|work | hahaha, I'm kidding anyway |
| 13:07.01 | pupnik | have you tried daggerfall on PC dosbox? |
| 13:07.12 | Tak|work | I think that if I saw daggerfall on an IT, my head would explode |
| 13:07.25 | Tak|work | no, but I've done Tie Fighter |
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| 13:07.58 | pupnik | daggerfall really needs the dynamic recomp and it's slow on my p3 950mhz |
| 13:08.28 | Tak|work | I have an ancient laptop with a freedos boot solely for daggerfall |
| 13:08.56 | Tak|work | ancient == less powerful than an n800 |
| 13:08.57 | pupnik | awesome ccheers - i absolutely love arena/daggerfall |
| 13:09.03 | Tak|work | ditto |
| 13:09.40 | Tak|work | I got one of those 586 coprocessor upgrades specifically to make the arena->daggerfall transition |
| 13:09.44 | Tak|work | oh, and more ram |
| 13:10.08 | pupnik | though the daggerfall dungeons are pretty crazy imo |
| 13:10.32 | pupnik | great map viewer tech, but still not enough distinguishing detail |
| 13:10.39 | Tak|work | yeah - there was a fairly high percentage of the time that I wasn't able to find whatever random item/person/thing for which I was questing |
| 13:11.34 | Tak|work | even though I walked every inch of the dungeon and completely cleaned it out |
| 13:11.39 | pupnik | yes same |
| 13:11.46 | Tak|work | but oh well - c'est la vie |
| 13:12.19 | Tak|work | morrowind was pretty good as well, but I never played all the way through, and I haven't touched oblivion yet |
| 13:12.32 | GeneralAntilles | Oblivion is great. |
| 13:12.40 | GeneralAntilles | It's the way RPGs should be made |
| 13:12.42 | Tak|work | kind of annoyed that bethsoft has chosen to completely annoy other OSs |
| 13:12.48 | Tak|work | s/annoy/ignore/ |
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| 13:13.26 | pupnik | maybe they'll let someone port arena/daggerfall to linux |
| 13:14.05 | Tak|work | I have of the first two |
| 13:15.01 | Tak|work | I sent them an email once - the response was basically: "We have no plans of supporting any OS but windows, and we have no plan of ever releasing any source to anyone under any condition." |
| 13:15.24 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 13:15.25 | GeneralAntilles | Bastards |
| 13:15.41 | GeneralAntilles | 'swhat consoles are for. |
| 13:16.04 | Tak|work | s'what console emulators are for ;-) |
| 13:16.18 | GeneralAntilles | Good luck with that 360 emulator |
| 13:16.29 | GeneralAntilles | Be 2015 before we get a reasonably fast one of those. >_> |
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| 13:16.56 | Tak|work | pff, only thing to emulate on the 360 is halo |
| 13:17.13 | GeneralAntilles | If you say so. |
| 13:17.24 | GeneralAntilles | Forza is a good one |
| 13:17.28 | GeneralAntilles | had a ton of fun with Crackdown |
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| 13:17.35 | Tak|work | besides, a good emulator would make the pc overheat and set the carpet on fire ;-) |
| 13:17.41 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 13:17.55 | GeneralAntilles | I just want Fallout 3 already. |
| 13:18.10 | timo3 | 360 emulator on a maemo device? |
| 13:18.16 | timo3 | sounds like a plan |
| 13:18.18 | Tak|work | I'm on it! |
| 13:18.24 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 13:18.29 | GeneralAntilles | Mmm . . . that would be awesome |
| 13:19.02 | GeneralAntilles | Just gotta hack some analog triggers into the Wii's Classic Controller (bluetooth). |
| 13:19.04 | Tak|work | let's see...vba runs at ~2fps, so x360 will be around .04 |
| 13:19.24 | GeneralAntilles | More like, wont run at all. |
| 13:20.50 | GeneralAntilles | Here's to hoping the TI processors in the next revision will be as awesome as they've been cracked up to be. |
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| 13:24.58 | pupnik | if the craigulator ever sees the light of day i may have to buy that instead |
| 13:28.33 | lardman | have a nice weekend all |
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| 13:29.34 | Tak|work | damn...everybody gets long weekends but me |
| 13:33.00 | pupnik | did you find info on thumb pressure on 2007he? or file a bug? |
| 13:34.02 | Tak|work | not yet |
| 13:34.23 | Tak|work | I don't want to file a bug yet, because I have no idea if it even is a bug, or if I just need to do something differently |
| 13:34.54 | pupnik | nods..might be worth checking thumb keyboard |
| 13:34.54 | Tak|work | you're running 2007he, right? |
| 13:34.57 | pupnik | no |
| 13:35.04 | Tak|work | oh? 2006? |
| 13:35.22 | pupnik | yes se |
| 13:36.11 | pupnik | today my goal is to make one installable package with working menu item |
| 13:36.21 | pupnik | and one-click install |
| 13:36.24 | Tak|work | lol - googling for related things gives me the irc log from our conversation yesterday |
| 13:36.43 | Tak|work | can use xmaeme package for an example if you wish |
| 13:37.38 | pupnik | roger |
| 13:37.56 | pupnik | am going to forget about maemo-games startup for now |
| 13:38.13 | pupnik | if you want to switch tasks, quit playing :P |
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| 13:38.48 | Tak|work | heh - fceu "pauses" if you minimize it |
| 13:39.00 | pupnik | nice |
| 13:39.16 | pupnik | where is this code? |
| 13:39.24 | Tak|work | to pause? |
| 13:39.28 | pupnik | yes |
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| 13:39.35 | pupnik | oh it came with fceu? |
| 13:39.45 | Tak|work | no, I inserted it |
| 13:39.51 | Tak|work | one sec, I'll find it |
| 13:40.09 | pupnik | ty |
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| 13:41.03 | Tak|work | ah - combination of osso.c and main.c |
| 13:41.18 | Tak|work | (in src/drivers/pc ) |
| 13:41.22 | pupnik | ok |
| 13:47.19 | Tak|work | http://rafb.net/p/yai6Pl13.html |
| 13:47.46 | pupnik | kewl |
| 14:00.49 | cosmo | has anyone tried to compile z26? |
| 14:02.00 | cosmo | build fails at /usr/include/linux/bitmap.h:125: error: `BITS_PER_LONG' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 14:03.43 | pupnik | what is z26? |
| 14:03.52 | pupnik | oh atari emu |
| 14:06.56 | cosmo | looks like it contains x86 assembler.. so no luck |
| 14:07.08 | pupnik | try stella |
| 14:07.18 | cosmo | just compiling it |
| 14:12.44 | cosmo | got it to compile |
| 14:14.38 | Tak|work | pupnik: also http://rafb.net/p/R7agjA48.html from src/drivers/pc/input.c |
| 14:15.21 | pupnik | ty - noted/copied |
| 14:17.54 | Tak|work | hm, I may see the source of the "flickering" issue for n800 users |
| 14:21.41 | Tak|work | looks like I'm enabling pixel doubling on every click, which, on os2006 and 2007he, did nothing if it was already enabled |
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| 14:26.24 | cosmo | whee, it works! |
| 14:26.29 | pupnik | :) |
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| 14:27.27 | cosmo | needs hildonization, buttons do nothing yet |
| 14:27.40 | cosmo | at least you can watch pitfall demo running ;) |
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| 14:28.02 | pupnik | got a bluetooth keyboard? |
| 14:28.14 | pupnik | sound works? |
| 14:28.15 | cosmo | not at work |
| 14:28.41 | cosmo | no sound..i think it uses sdl audio |
| 14:29.34 | pupnik | i think my fav for that would be slot racers |
| 14:30.10 | cosmo | there is a huge number of games available |
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| 14:32.33 | cosmo | a little hildonization and a nice gtk ui would do good |
| 14:32.48 | cosmo | although stella has built-in gui which works |
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| 14:36.25 | pupnik | ncie |
| 14:36.47 | pupnik | do you build for N800 or 770? |
| 14:37.04 | cosmo | N800 |
| 14:37.05 | Tak|work | sdl audio should work fine |
| 14:37.23 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:37.24 | pupnik | export CFLAGS="-mcpu=arm926ej-s -fomit-frame-pointer |
| 14:37.39 | pupnik | i make sure to set CFLAGS env variable before running ./configure |
| 14:37.59 | cosmo | i had to change 2 lines of code (missing resolution stuff in sdl struct). i just hardcoded the resolution |
| 14:38.42 | pupnik | yah |
| 14:38.43 | Tak|work | oh, hah - I'm doing it because there's no way to query Xsp whether doubling is turned on for a given display |
| 14:39.07 | cosmo | but afk now.. to demo show at local university. i'll hack stella more tomorrow |
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| 14:42.24 | pupnik | ok cheers |
| 14:44.53 | pupnik | song of farting hands man playing mario theme please leave my brain... |
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| 15:34.48 | GeneralAntilles | Woo |
| 15:35.04 | GeneralAntilles | Encode yerself some video and pop it on a UPnP server. |
| 15:35.05 | pupnik | :) |
| 15:35.08 | |R | can it recharge while i play with it? ;) |
| 15:35.13 | GeneralAntilles | Yes. |
| 15:35.16 | |R | woohoo ;) |
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| 15:37.40 | |R | do customs have a habit of breaking seals though? |
| 15:38.16 | GeneralAntilles | Where'd you get it from? |
| 15:38.25 | |R | SmartTech over eBay... |
| 15:38.28 | |R | (texas) |
| 15:38.33 | GeneralAntilles | ebay . . . |
| 15:38.41 | GeneralAntilles | $$$? |
| 15:38.45 | |R | yeah i know, but it's hard to get a reasonable price in canada ;) |
| 15:38.51 | |R | 335+20 shipping |
| 15:38.59 | GeneralAntilles | Could be worse |
| 15:39.04 | GeneralAntilles | Does it look used? |
| 15:39.04 | pupnik | not bad |
| 15:39.07 | GeneralAntilles | Was it sold as new? |
| 15:39.46 | GeneralAntilles | I very much doubt that customs would've opened it |
| 15:39.50 | |R | sold as new yeah... i think it looks new, though the screen protector is a bit weird though... :| |
| 15:40.07 | GeneralAntilles | Howso? |
| 15:40.26 | pupnik | it's a shipping protector afaik |
| 15:40.29 | |R | like the casing looks basically perfect |
| 15:40.49 | |R | a bit scratch with dots looking like bubbles actually |
| 15:41.03 | pupnik | offpullit |
| 15:41.09 | GeneralAntilles | Lies, pupnik. :P |
| 15:41.14 | pupnik | ? |
| 15:41.16 | |R | Yeah i'll try to grab the top right corner hehe |
| 15:41.18 | pupnik | i am incorrect? |
| 15:41.22 | GeneralAntilles | I used the factory screen protector for 5 months. |
| 15:41.38 | |R | no ok |
| 15:41.41 | pupnik | maybe someone can tell us here what it is meant to be |
| 15:41.44 | |R | i just checked below the screen protector |
| 15:41.50 | |R | and everything is super clean |
| 15:42.02 | GeneralAntilles | Get yourself a real protector asap |
| 15:42.03 | |R | maybe the guy just checked everything was in there... |
| 15:42.23 | |R | i did, a boxwave anti-glare... if that doesn't work i'll go back to shieldzone one's... |
| 15:43.09 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik, I was kidding about the lies. ;) Just a reference to the fact that I scratched up the factory protector for 5 months before putting a real one on. |
| 15:43.24 | |R | hehe |
| 15:43.27 | pupnik | okey i do not have a n800 |
| 15:43.33 | |R | it's smaller than i thougth :) |
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| 15:45.21 | |R | (internal one) |
| 15:46.04 | |R | ah ok |
| 15:46.08 | |R | looks weird haha ;) |
| 15:46.20 | GeneralAntilles | Dual-SD was a stroke of genius. |
| 15:46.29 | Tak|work | indeed |
| 15:47.16 | |R | is it normal to have the stock miniSD->SD card raising at 15 o before you close the cover? :) |
| 15:47.30 | GeneralAntilles | There's a little tab |
| 15:47.36 | |R | (if i'm annoying, slap me ;) |
| 15:47.37 | GeneralAntilles | Push it all the way down and slip the tab over it. |
| 15:47.47 | |R | woah |
| 15:47.48 | |R | genius :) |
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| 15:47.58 | |R | the design rocks hehe :) |
| 15:48.56 | GeneralAntilles | http://tigert.1g.fi/blog-files/n800-theme/ |
| 15:49.00 | GeneralAntilles | Get yourself that theme |
| 15:49.06 | GeneralAntilles | it's absolutely beautiful |
| 15:49.12 | GeneralAntilles | just wish it were 12pt |
| 15:49.16 | |R | I'll have to flash the firmware first i guess (to fix the SDHC bug) |
| 15:49.21 | GeneralAntilles | Actually, on that subject, is there any way to change it to 12pt manually? |
| 15:49.29 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, good plan. |
| 15:49.45 | GeneralAntilles | Wouldn't want to go installing a bunch of stuff to have to do it again 5 minutes later. |
| 15:50.08 | |R | hehe :) |
| 15:50.34 | GeneralAntilles | Be nice if they streamline the update system a little more nicely for Chinook. |
| 15:52.00 | |R | Maybe i'll just play with it for today while it recharges though and do the upgrade with a full battery |
| 15:52.00 | ramo102 | Hi everybody. Have someone had problems with the microb browser? I lost the vertical scrollbar, it doesn't appear anymore |
| 15:52.10 | |R | (Something you learn when you brick something once haha ;) |
| 15:52.19 | GeneralAntilles | Try a restart, ramo102? |
| 15:52.47 | ramo102 | I have just tried to restart, and to reinstall microb too, but without results |
| 15:53.04 | GeneralAntilles | I remember there being a discussion on the issue in the past |
| 15:53.14 | GeneralAntilles | I don't recall the resolution and never had trouble with it myself? |
| 15:53.17 | GeneralAntilles | erm, -? |
| 15:53.26 | GeneralAntilles | Try changing themes? |
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| 16:03.04 | |R | uhm, i have an email of alexmart3@gmail.com in the presence thingie... |
| 16:03.42 | GeneralAntilles | Google Talk |
| 16:03.54 | GeneralAntilles | Not your e-mail? |
| 16:04.01 | |R | nop |
| 16:04.09 | GeneralAntilles | Sounds used. <_< |
| 16:04.30 | |R | oh well, it's in perfect shape, maybe a store demo that never got used... |
| 16:04.56 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe the seller just tried it out. |
| 16:04.59 | GeneralAntilles | Who knows |
| 16:05.02 | GeneralAntilles | As long as it works. . . . |
| 16:05.06 | |R | yeah... |
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| 16:05.22 | |R | i'm trying to get online now, but i my WPA key is way too long haha ;) |
| 16:07.08 | pupnik | i have a callous on my wrist from the edge of my desktop |
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| 16:16.13 | Tak|work | hmm - will the openembedded mono port run on the ITs? |
| 16:18.15 | pupnik | hay guyz!@ who wants to make the quake1 engine play daggerfall? ok lets go |
| 16:21.48 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 16:25.24 | pupnik | descent has been removed from maemo.org hmm |
| 16:26.34 | pupnik | ah https://garage.maemo.org/projects/descent2/ |
| 16:27.26 | |R | uhm, is it normal that every central columns in web site like /. render like a vertical line of letters? :P |
| 16:31.25 | |R | (at a 100% it's ok but then i can't read ;) |
| 16:33.37 | pupnik | maybe you can turn off "fit to page" or "text wrap"? |
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| 16:34.21 | |R | fit to page sounds like a solution yeah :) |
| 16:34.30 | |R | now where is that config haha ;) |
| 16:35.04 | pupnik | search maemo opera "fit to page" |
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| 17:35.22 | |R | Does anyone know how many n770 and n800 were sold? |
| 17:35.41 | shapr | lots! |
| 17:35.59 | |R | 100k? 1m? 10m? 100m? :) |
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| 17:59.33 | alabama | hi all. Can someone help me in X-forwarding on PC (ubuntu) an app running on 770? Openssh client & server is installed on both machines. The reverse works good. Details later, if someone here tells it should be possible to achieve... |
| 18:03.57 | alabama | I've done ssh -X username@ip |
| 18:04.20 | Tak|work | do you have X forwarding enabled in the sshd_config on the 770? |
| 18:05.00 | alabama | I remember yes, I'll check now |
| 18:05.26 | alabama | I've tryed to do so: |
| 18:05.50 | alabama | ssh -X username@ip run-standalone.ssh python name_of_app |
| 18:06.10 | alabama | ...but this launches the app on the 770, so not what I want |
| 18:08.13 | alabama | d'oh! X11Forwarding no! thanks Tak, I'll try with "yes" ;) |
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| 18:15.53 | pupnik | Tak|work: i think dosbox is now partially fixed :) |
| 18:16.05 | Tak|work | pupnik: very nice |
| 18:16.17 | Tak|work | hmm |
| 18:16.26 | pupnik | c2woody gave the fixes |
| 18:16.28 | Tak|work | alabama also needs to make sure it's setting his DISPLAY properly |
| 18:18.08 | t_s_o | hmm, anyone else read the news about the new ARM design? |
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| 18:19.14 | smackpotato | where do i put commands i want to run at startup |
| 18:22.01 | smackpotato | startup |
| 18:22.02 | _Monkey | startup is a little slow but it runs okay. :D |
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| 18:24.46 | milhouse | _monkey forget startup |
| 18:24.46 | _Monkey | milhouse: I forgot startup |
| 18:24.55 | Tak|work | t_s_o: not yet - have a link? |
| 18:24.59 | milhouse | _monkey startup is <reply> |
| 18:25.00 | _Monkey | OK, milhouse. |
| 18:25.21 | t_s_o | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2917028234.html |
| 18:25.59 | t_s_o | i wonder if im reading it right when i get it to go 1Ghz at 250mW, with potentially 4 cores |
| 18:26.41 | Tak|work | damn, very nice! |
| 18:26.45 | milhouse | don't expect to see it in devices for another 18 months or so |
| 18:26.47 | GeneralAntilles | "250mW and the dreams of little children" |
| 18:27.20 | t_s_o | milhouse: thats the sad part. i see TI barely have cortex A8 based cpus out and now this... |
| 18:27.29 | Tak|work | I'd like to see one of those in n800+2 |
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| 18:27.59 | milhouse | me too, but I might have switched to Intel by then :( |
| 18:28.36 | smackpotato | i want to run echo 100 >.....swappiness every time i start |
| 18:29.06 | t_s_o | yep, those mid's are coming on strong. and with the iphone-like ui, it will probably be a consumer hit... |
| 18:29.11 | pupnik | we're still waiting for A8 |
| 18:29.11 | Tak|work | heh, with so many consumer linux apps optimized for x86 arch, the intel ones are tempting |
| 18:29.48 | milhouse | i'm sure Intel MIDs will be every bit as hackable as Nokia NITs |
| 18:30.05 | pupnik | the proper attitude is to hate intel enough to purchase from other mfgrs even if they are inferior </soapbox> |
| 18:30.07 | milhouse | think how many codecs will work more or less out of the box... |
| 18:30.14 | GeneralAntilles | Hopefully Nokia has some good stuff up their sleeves. |
| 18:30.24 | Tak|work | t_s_o: I can't tell if the 1GHz part is included in the 250mW statement, or if you can only have "4x the power of an ARM11" for 250mW |
| 18:30.27 | GeneralAntilles | Hate to see them fall too far behind in the market that they created. |
| 18:30.58 | milhouse | can't see that not happening unfortunately - Intel and their MIDs will be a juggernaught |
| 18:31.10 | t_s_o | well with a gorilla like intel on the move, and with asian factories in action, i wonder... |
| 18:31.17 | milhouse | dozens of far east partners to flood the market... |
| 18:31.34 | t_s_o | two people, one thought milhouse? |
| 18:31.34 | Tak|work | pupnik: the degree of inferiority has to be a consideration, though |
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| 18:32.31 | milhouse | develop for intel x86 MIDs which are everywhere or Nokia NITs that sell maybe only 10s of thousands and battle with undocumented and closed source/NDA'd hardware... not really a difficult choice. |
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| 18:33.07 | t_s_o | bah, i hope that the agreed upon universal mobile connector (usb basically) will help with removing the "made for ipod" junk... |
| 18:33.28 | milhouse | you mean the connector that Nokia refuses to use for charging? |
| 18:33.39 | t_s_o | hmm, nokia dropped the ball with those hardware issues |
| 18:33.53 | t_s_o | milhouse: refuse right now maybe |
| 18:34.19 | t_s_o | i understand that they are in on the new agreement. if nothing else so that they can sell to the chinese market |
| 18:34.26 | milhouse | the n800 has a host of hardware cockups - one can only hope the next version addresses all the hardware issues in the current device |
| 18:34.49 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe, if we get hardware video acceleration . . . |
| 18:34.51 | milhouse | video bandwidth, poor touchscreen response, USB (on-the-go, charging, hub) |
| 18:35.13 | t_s_o | time will tell... |
| 18:35.38 | milhouse | The Wifi implementation isn't great either (ie. kismet doesn't work properly - an ideal app for the N800) |
| 18:35.54 | t_s_o | http://consumerist.com/consumer/videos/sting-op-of-10-different-computer-repair-companies-finds-70-dont-know-what-theyre-doing-306877.php <- promising... |
| 18:36.50 | pupnik | wise words |
| 18:38.00 | Tak|work | poor d-pad |
| 18:38.11 | milhouse | computer repair techs, eh? |
| 18:38.15 | Tak|work | right-hand buttons |
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| 18:40.33 | GeneralAntilles | Be great if they had mirror the buttons onto the right side |
| 18:41.30 | pupnik | do you think rhs buttons would hurt the image of the device for 'professionals' |
| 18:41.43 | pupnik | i think they could be made unobtrusive - not like a big gp2x |
| 18:42.06 | GeneralAntilles | Ugh, who the hell buys a device for "image". . . . |
| 18:42.17 | GeneralAntilles | I buy devices for functionality. |
| 18:42.20 | pupnik | i think it is a big factor |
| 18:42.26 | mvhtest | people who buy iPhones.... ; |
| 18:42.32 | mvhtest | s/;/;)/ |
| 18:42.34 | t_s_o | hmm, i recall a handheld console that one could flip to play with either hand on the d-pad |
| 18:42.52 | pupnik | http://pupnik.de/Nokia970sm4.png if buttons then unobtrusive i think |
| 18:43.25 | Tak|work | pupnik: they could even be mirrors of the LHS buttons |
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| 18:43.58 | t_s_o | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_Lynx |
| 18:45.04 | GeneralAntilles | Move the camera to the top center |
| 18:45.11 | GeneralAntilles | It's just going to get covered in hand gunk there. |
| 18:45.21 | pupnik | youre right |
| 18:46.07 | GeneralAntilles | Also, you need an indent on the cover on the right. ;) |
| 18:46.12 | alabama | No way. Now the X11Forward parameter is yes in sshd_config on 770, ssh restarted, but the app runs on the 770 instead of running on PC ubuntu (or I have a error in import gtk if i don't write run-standalone.ssh). Which could be the cause? |
| 18:46.40 | alabama | (run-standalone.sh) |
| 18:46.55 | Tak|work | alabama: check the DISPLAY variable |
| 18:47.08 | alabama | ok, checking... |
| 18:48.42 | alabama | ops, 770 crashed. I'll check that after dinner. Thanks Tak. |
| 18:48.47 | GeneralAntilles | #1 thing Nokia needs to do for the next software revision is improve UI responsiveness. |
| 18:49.16 | GeneralAntilles | I'm always having flashbacks to the OS X beta. <_< |
| 18:49.31 | pupnik | I agree that it would help first impressions |
| 18:49.47 | GeneralAntilles | It's not really that bad |
| 18:50.08 | GeneralAntilles | but it just doesn't help the device image. |
| 18:50.16 | pupnik | doesn't bother me at all, but if people use the word 'sluggish' once in a review, that hurts |
| 18:50.22 | pupnik | yup |
| 18:50.34 | alabama | can't find display variable. There's a X11DisplayOffset 10... |
| 18:50.41 | GeneralAntilles | I'm very used to it now. |
| 18:50.47 | GeneralAntilles | Especially after moving up to the N800. |
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| 19:05.19 | t_s_o | btw, anyone else find this highly interesting? http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6853468195.html |
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| 19:11.05 | dev | t_s_o: interesting, yes - but I'm working on something like this for quite a while too |
| 19:11.18 | t_s_o | figures ;) |
| 19:11.57 | t_s_o | been thinking of something similar to, in that merging a tv, hdd-recorder and a keyboard& mouse set should in theory create a simple computer... |
| 19:14.15 | dev | https://coherence.beebits.net <- my little project |
| 19:15.46 | GeneralAntilles | Sweet. |
| 19:16.38 | t_s_o | ill admit, the only upnp i have any knowledge of is the firewall kind... |
| 19:17.04 | GeneralAntilles | I just discovered UPnP media serving a few weeks ago. |
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| 19:17.22 | GeneralAntilles | It's too bad I haven't found a way to transcode the stuff on-the-fly. |
| 19:17.51 | ||cw | mencoder with a fifo? |
| 19:18.52 | dev | t_s_o: most people do, bad press :-) |
| 19:18.59 | GeneralAntilles | --using the UPnP server I have (EyeConnect). ;) |
| 19:19.37 | t_s_o | i suspect that with upnp and proper format standards, one could maybe get rid of drivers fully? |
| 19:20.10 | dev | GeneralAntilles: we are working on transcoding, but will take some time, probably end of this year |
| 19:21.27 | GeneralAntilles | Be nice if there were a cheap, effective hardware MPEG4 encoder for use with the N800. |
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| 19:25.47 | konttori | out of curiosity, why don't you use mplayer to play the stuff? It should support pretty much any video you throw at it. |
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| 19:30.51 | GeneralAntilles | h.264, anything over 640x480, stuff running at 2Mbps +? |
| 19:30.54 | GeneralAntilles | UPnP? |
| 19:30.54 | _Monkey | UPnP is not just about playing something, controlling is much more fun |
| 19:31.27 | konttori | ahh... well, then I suppose you will have to transcode or pre-transcode |
| 19:31.30 | sp3000 | konttori: oh I hid a patch for the crop thing into the tracker the other day |
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| 19:31.33 | konttori | I would choose the latter. |
| 19:31.44 | konttori | ahh.. cool. |
| 19:31.46 | GeneralAntilles | Which is what I do |
| 19:31.48 | konttori | thanks |
| 19:31.54 | konttori | ahh... good. |
| 19:32.06 | GeneralAntilles | but it's time/CPU, and storage consuming. |
| 19:32.45 | konttori | well, you can put the system to do the conversion on a few nights and storage is cheap |
| 19:32.50 | konttori | ;) |
| 19:32.59 | GeneralAntilles | Not that cheap |
| 19:33.11 | konttori | Seriously speaking it's a valid thought that it would be nice to transencode on the fly |
| 19:34.04 | GeneralAntilles | Particularly, I'd like to be able to watch my EyeTV recordings on the N800. |
| 19:34.10 | GeneralAntilles | I can get them through UPnP already |
| 19:34.23 | GeneralAntilles | but they're not encoded for the device. |
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| 19:35.57 | pupnik | i watch my vids transcoded right now on 770 with knots player |
| 19:36.12 | pupnik | live transcoding goodness |
| 19:36.55 | GeneralAntilles | The IT platform makes for a fantastic carry-around media player |
| 19:36.57 | pupnik | well server/player |
| 19:37.19 | GeneralAntilles | without being as clunky as the Archos offerings. |
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| 19:37.44 | konttori | I have to say that I like to watch things from the mmc/sd cards. Juice lasts so much longer, device doesn't get so hot and I don't have to worry about staying in the wifi range. |
| 19:38.18 | pupnik | konttori: at home too? |
| 19:38.28 | GeneralAntilles | I've got 502sq-ft to wander around in up here and plenty of wifi coverage at my parents house |
| 19:38.34 | GeneralAntilles | so wifi range isn't a worry |
| 19:38.42 | pupnik | i dunno man, random access to a library is pretty sweet |
| 19:38.44 | GeneralAntilles | and I don't spend enough time in front of it to worry about battery power |
| 19:38.51 | konttori | yeah |
| 19:39.11 | pupnik | for on-the-go i do tweaked 770-encode.pl |
| 19:39.15 | GeneralAntilles | Planning and pre-encoding your stuff is great for trips |
| 19:39.19 | GeneralAntilles | Not so good when you're at home. |
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| 19:40.28 | konttori | well, if I like to watch a longer movie at home, I use dvd. If I watch a short video at home, I use n800. and encoding short video takes seconds. |
| 19:41.54 | GeneralAntilles | This: http://www.techspansion.com/visualhub/ spits out beautiful MPEG4s for me, and even supports Xgrid so I can batch-encode a bunch of stuff really quickly, but having spur-of-the-moment access to stuff is just so much tastier. :D |
| 19:42.00 | konttori | anyway, to each his / her own. |
| 19:42.49 | konttori | did you pay for visual hub? |
| 19:42.52 | ||cw | hm... http://www.arm.com/news/18652.html dual core nokia device in 2 years? |
| 19:43.03 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 19:43.52 | GeneralAntilles | It saves the pain of dealing with ffmpeg directly, and does great queing/network work distribution besides. ;) |
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| 19:44.16 | konttori | cool. |
| 19:44.52 | konttori | there is already the 3d core in there as well ;) |
| 19:45.28 | GeneralAntilles | Drivers, please. |
| 19:45.32 | konttori | and that's pretty sweet one as well. I hope that some day we can utilise it as well. |
| 19:45.39 | alabama | So here I am back, with same problem as one hour ago. Trying to X-forward apps from 770 to pc ubuntu with openssh. I've already enabled X11Forward in sshd_config, but still no way. If someone can help I can summarize my problem again. |
| 19:45.45 | konttori | yeah, well, you know, someone has to make them |
| 19:45.49 | GeneralAntilles | I can't believe they tossed something like that into a device without any support for it. |
| 19:45.58 | t_s_o | http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ultramobile_Linux_PC_is_coming?t=9603468#c9622356 <- "genius comment" |
| 19:46.06 | ||cw | alabama: ssh -X |
| 19:46.13 | konttori | I think they got it as an afterthought. that it was 'added bonus'. |
| 19:46.19 | t_s_o | how come that anything non-x86 is not "laptop class cpu"? |
| 19:46.20 | GeneralAntilles | Sorta like Ford sticking another I-4 in the back of your SUV but not hooking it up to anything. |
| 19:46.27 | alabama | yes, I know. It works the other way (ubuntu -> 770). |
| 19:46.55 | pupnik | it wasn't really 'tossed-in' - it's part of the system-on-a-chip |
| 19:47.03 | alabama | but not 770 -> ubuntu (ubuntu: client, 770: server) |
| 19:48.00 | alabama | I'm trying to launch a python app. The other way it works, with the same app. |
| 19:48.33 | ||cw | alabama: do you get the /usr/X11R6/bin/xauth: not found error? |
| 19:48.41 | alabama | no |
| 19:48.46 | ||cw | or did you install zauth |
| 19:48.49 | ||cw | xauth |
| 19:48.51 | alabama | no |
| 19:48.56 | alabama | the error is: |
| 19:49.08 | ||cw | well, you cna't forward without xauth |
| 19:49.13 | alabama | something related to import gtk |
| 19:49.29 | alabama | can I download this "xauth" from garage? |
| 19:49.40 | ||cw | dunno, just now trying myself |
| 19:49.48 | alabama | I have openssh on both ends |
| 19:50.11 | ||cw | that's only the forward part, now you have to convince X11 to let you |
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| 19:50.58 | alabama | with: ssh -X user@ip python path/to/app.py |
| 19:51.17 | alabama | I hav an error related to import gtk, while... |
| 19:51.34 | alabama | with: ssh -X user@ip run-standalone.sh python path/to/app.py |
| 19:51.46 | alabama | the app launches, but on the 770 |
| 19:52.32 | GeneralAntilles | Goodness, the Archos media players are cheap these days. |
| 19:55.57 | ||cw | alabama: it's possible that the cut down X11 server on it simply can't use anything but display :0 |
| 19:56.21 | alabama | maybe. found this: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=67157&postcount=5 |
| 19:56.52 | alabama | so the openssh-server on maemo doesn't support forwarding? |
| 19:57.42 | alabama | from that post it seems dropbear does support it. Can I try installing it without risking some kind of conflict with openssh? |
| 19:58.00 | alabama | Or what should I do to avoid conflicts? |
| 19:58.35 | ||cw | dropbear has other issues |
| 19:58.43 | ||cw | like no scp |
| 19:58.56 | alabama | yes in fact I want to stick with openssh |
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| 19:59.11 | ||cw | hm, actualy maybe scp is fixed |
| 19:59.15 | alabama | so I'd like to try dropbear just for the forwarding |
| 19:59.22 | kala | you could enable debuging on the openssh server and check some messages |
| 19:59.30 | ||cw | you'll have to uninstall openssh first |
| 19:59.43 | ||cw | you still need a xauth though |
| 20:00.02 | alabama | mmh... that seems harder than I thought. |
| 20:00.38 | alabama | so, this means xauth is installed on ubuntu, as it works the other way? |
| 20:01.01 | ||cw | yeah, I think its default on ubunut |
| 20:01.26 | alabama | I understand. Thanks very much ||cw. |
| 20:03.03 | alabama | what "xhost +" means? |
| 20:04.56 | kala | allow connections without auth from anywhere |
| 20:05.04 | alabama | thanks |
| 20:05.18 | ||cw | you can do that and skip the ssh bit |
| 20:05.26 | Atarii | konttori! did u hav a look at the python? |
| 20:05.35 | ||cw | if you trust your network that is |
| 20:05.41 | konttori | nope. sorry |
| 20:05.56 | konttori | Hmm.. I could still take a peek. a sec |
| 20:05.56 | Atarii | np upgraded to it2007he anyways |
| 20:08.12 | kala | btw, evince crashes the n770 sometimes. is there something icould do to find out why? |
| 20:12.35 | konttori | Atarii: so, it's working for you now? |
| 20:13.10 | konttori | Atarii: I know the guy making the 2007 HE. If you have any suggestions on how to improve it, let me know |
| 20:14.12 | ||cw | konttori: other than to find a way to get the newer opera and flash, even if we'd have to buy it? |
| 20:14.58 | konttori | well, for those, the obvious answer is that nokia does not have the license to include them in the HE |
| 20:15.07 | konttori | so yeah, other than those |
| 20:15.48 | ||cw | yes I know, so how do we, as users, go about acquiring the licenses |
| 20:16.23 | ||cw | I really do think there is a market for it |
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| 20:18.45 | pupnik | yeah a market of 300 maybe |
| 20:19.58 | pupnik | take as your base the number of ppl who have reflashed or would reflash with 2007he |
| 20:20.47 | Tak|work | GeneralAntilles: http://www.cowonamerica.com |
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| 20:21.04 | pupnik | what's your guess on the number of 2007he installations? 4000? |
| 20:21.55 | kala | the 2007he download is registered and counted, isn't it? |
| 20:22.18 | Tak|work | heh, I've downloaded at least 4 times |
| 20:22.44 | kala | but you used the same serial? |
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| 20:32.47 | konttori | It would be very interesting to know how may people really have upgraded to HE |
| 20:33.12 | konttori | Any application that every HE owner has that is in garage? |
| 20:33.34 | Atarii | i wish i had done it sooner tbh |
| 20:33.42 | Atarii | its so much more responsive |
| 20:34.24 | konttori | ahh.. good to hear that |
| 20:34.25 | Tak|work | kala: ah, yes |
| 20:35.01 | Tak|work | konttori: thumbpresses seem to be different on HE |
| 20:35.13 | konttori | what do you mean? |
| 20:35.19 | konttori | as is not so good? |
| 20:35.27 | |R | i put myself in red-pill mode, go there, click install openssh ( http://mg.pov.lt/770/reflash-n800.html ) then open, and it says fails... what kind of newb error am i doing? ;) |
| 20:35.31 | Tak|work | it just seems to be handled differently |
| 20:35.58 | Tak|work | like, in os2006, and os2007 on n800, if I thumbpress on, e.g., an OK button, it clicks the button |
| 20:36.20 | Tak|work | but on 2007HE, it *selects* the button, but doesn't actually click it |
| 20:36.26 | Atarii | 2007he should come pre-loaded with the main repositories |
| 20:36.31 | konttori | Odd. I'll mention that to him |
| 20:36.54 | Tak|work | I get similar result with fceu - when I thumbpress on the onscreen buttons, it doesn't register as a click |
| 20:36.58 | konttori | I'll have to ask if he ever hands in #maemo. If not, he should come here every once in a while |
| 20:37.05 | Tak|work | but I can tap with thumbnail and it does |
| 20:37.10 | konttori | hangs... not hands |
| 20:37.56 | Tak|work | but stuff that I expect to work with thumbpress, like text fields that pop up the fullscreen kb, work fine |
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| 20:40.21 | Tak|work | kala: I suspect out-of-memory on evince, btw |
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| 20:44.06 | GeneralAntilles | 2007HE is really great |
| 20:44.11 | GeneralAntilles | I miss 12pt themes, though. |
| 20:45.25 | pupnik | i think there are 12 and 14 versions of the main themes |
| 20:46.40 | pupnik | themes-os07-12pt-0.1-1.deb -2 etc |
| 20:47.39 | Atarii | is there a seperate 'becomeroot' app for it2007 or does the 2006 version work? |
| 20:49.08 | kala | Tak|work: so, after some pageturns, the 64 MB of memory is full and the n770 just crashes? it should be possible to modify evince then? |
| 20:53.49 | Tak|work | kala: are you using swap? |
| 20:54.05 | Tak|work | Atarii: on it2007 you use ssh |
| 20:55.38 | pupnik | maybe evince has a page cache that could be tweaked |
| 20:55.44 | Tb0n3r | what's the use of r&d mode? |
| 21:04.21 | pupnik | helping newbies brick tablets? |
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| 21:04.58 | pupnik | if you find one Tb0n3r let me know |
| 21:05.49 | Tb0n3r | does it allow root? cause that's a simple thing |
| 21:06.24 | Tb0n3r | I did notice that it gives you data at the boot screen |
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| 21:08.26 | Tb0n3r | OS2007he seems to boost my 770's wireless |
| 21:09.16 | kala | Tak|work: 16 mb swap seems to be enabled |
| 21:10.22 | Tak|work | hm - could still be filling up, I guess |
| 21:10.31 | Tak|work | could check the watchdog stuff to see what's causing the reboot |
| 21:11.32 | kala | right. should probably hook up the console or separate ssh connection to debug |
| 21:13.59 | kala | ok.sleep... |
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| 21:19.24 | Tb0n3r | tortoise isn't working |
| 21:19.31 | Tb0n3r | the catalogue |
| 21:21.11 | Tb0n3r | wow, <3 using ssh to edit my sources.list |
| 21:21.23 | Tb0n3r | faster than adding them with the onscreen keyboard |
| 21:21.24 | Tb0n3r | mayabe |
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| 21:25.10 | Tb0n3r | anybody tried out aircrack? |
| 21:25.25 | Tb0n3r | doesn't it need something to capture ivs? |
| 21:25.35 | Tb0n3r | like airdump |
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| 21:30.31 | idamlaj | Hi |
| 21:30.54 | idamlaj | I've found a 2.6 kernel driver for the powervr mbx on the omap2420 |
| 21:31.36 | idamlaj | http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbugencontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12719&contentId=27458 |
| 21:32.07 | idamlaj | ->OpenSource Kernel v2.6.10 |
| 21:33.10 | sp3000 | *** This bug has been confirmed by popular vote. *** |
| 21:33.23 | sp3000 | yeah, the reporter voted for it |
| 21:33.43 | sp3000 | popular indeed |
| 21:34.08 | idamlaj | has the driver been tried on maemo? |
| 21:34.51 | pupnik | http://www.pocketmatrix.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=5 ARM-centric gaming development (pocketPC) forums |
| 21:36.34 | Tb0n3r | I thought skype wouldn't work on 2007he |
| 21:36.43 | Tb0n3r | or will this installation not work |
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| 21:41.39 | Tb0n3r | well, will have flash 9 |
| 21:41.59 | idamlaj | Is there anything peculiar about X11 on maemo that I should know about? |
| 21:42.08 | idamlaj | Where are the config files |
| 21:42.20 | Tb0n3r | wut r x11s? |
| 21:42.21 | idamlaj | they're not at their normal locations |
| 21:42.23 | pupnik | depends on what you are planning to do |
| 21:42.40 | pupnik | it's callex xomap, based of kdrive |
| 21:42.41 | idamlaj | attempt to install the powervr driver |
| 21:42.48 | idamlaj | hmm |
| 21:43.35 | pupnik | where is this powervr driver? |
| 21:44.02 | idamlaj | (05:31:34 PM) idamlaj: http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbugencontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12719&contentId=27458 |
| 21:44.16 | idamlaj | ->opensource kernel v2.6.10 |
| 21:44.36 | idamlaj | it's a self-extracting exe, unfortunately |
| 21:44.53 | idamlaj | but it includes kernel 2.6 powervr drivers |
| 21:45.11 | idamlaj | although it's precompiled for kernel 2.6.10 |
| 21:45.14 | Tb0n3r | I really liked the statusbar cpu/mem monitor in 2006 |
| 21:45.16 | Tb0n3r | I miss that |
| 21:46.07 | idamlaj | most likely the kernel functions have changed since then |
| 21:46.26 | pupnik | i see sdks there |
| 21:46.46 | pupnik | interesting link though idamlaj |
| 21:46.52 | idamlaj | the sdks contain the driver |
| 21:47.09 | idamlaj | get the omap 2430 sdk |
| 21:47.11 | Atarii | is there an equivilant of kjournal for maemo? |
| 21:48.21 | idamlaj | ->opensource kernel 2.6.10 is the one i downloaded |
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| 21:50.51 | pupnik | i don't have a n800 but post to the ITT forum if you figure something out |
| 21:52.50 | idamlaj | alright |
| 21:53.39 | Tb0n3r | for some reason the aisleriot card game package doesn't want to have anything else, it's missing a few packages |
| 21:53.51 | Tb0n3r | may be because it's repo is down |
| 21:53.52 | Tb0n3r | lol |
| 21:54.41 | pupnik | Tb0n3r: that happens often enough so that i keep a local archive of my needed .debs |
| 21:55.23 | Tb0n3r | how do you install a .deb? |
| 21:55.27 | Atarii | Tb0n3r have you jsut installed 2007HE? |
| 21:55.30 | Tb0n3r | yes |
| 21:55.35 | Tb0n3r | yes isdeedy |
| 21:55.37 | Tb0n3r | last night |
| 21:55.53 | pupnik | i usually grab them with wget or copy them out of /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 21:55.56 | Atarii | me two, watching the conversation in here, you are encountering the exact same things as me :p |
| 21:56.56 | Tb0n3r | hate my touchpad in linux |
| 21:57.10 | Tb0n3r | wish there was a way for it to turn off while typing |
| 21:57.17 | Tb0n3r | or in general cause I don't even use it atm |
| 21:58.21 | pupnik | this is why i buy thinkpads |
| 21:58.44 | Tb0n3r | most new laptops can turn it off |
| 21:58.46 | Tb0n3r | it's a sony vaio |
| 22:00.19 | Tb0n3r | if dcc ever worked for me and I knew how to work it in irssi then I'd ask you for a deb of aisleriot |
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| 22:02.06 | Atarii | does anyone actually have the debs of aisleriot? |
| 22:02.25 | |R | http://browser.garage.maemo.org/#install-pane <- is this still valid? it fails here.. Unable to download package not found. :( |
| 22:04.08 | Tb0n3r | are you sure that mozilla would work well for ITs? |
| 22:04.13 | Atarii | fails here too |
| 22:04.38 | |R | Tb0n3r : well people seem to enjoy the AJAX support :) |
| 22:04.57 | Atarii | i want adblock :( |
| 22:05.02 | |R | me too :/ |
| 22:05.06 | |R | but i want moz first hehe |
| 22:06.27 | |R | i have vim and ssh, all i miss is moz and some utils i guess :) |
| 22:11.45 | Tb0n3r | well, how's the memory consumption? |
| 22:12.07 | |R | i don't know (yet) hehe :) |
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| 22:15.10 | Tb0n3r | anybody get gnugo to work? |
| 22:17.54 | Tb0n3r | cause cgoban won't work with 2007 |
| 22:22.53 | sp3000 | |R: extras repo bad |
| 22:23.25 | sp3000 | bug 2063 |
| 22:23.26 | _Monkey | Bug 2063 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2063 |
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| 22:35.37 | pupnik | hmm descent 2 is about as fast as quake 2 |
| 22:35.38 | pupnik | hmm descent 2 is about as fast as quake 1 |
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| 22:40.45 | |R | sp3000 : thanks :) |
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| 22:58.37 | Tb0n3r | is there a way to organize the application menue? |
| 22:58.39 | Tb0n3r | menu* |
| 23:04.26 | zwnj | Tb0n3r: Tools > Control Panel > Navigation |
| 23:05.08 | Tb0n3r | I thought I did that already |
| 23:05.15 | Tb0n3r | hmm, guess I missed something |
| 23:05.18 | Tb0n3r | os2007 btw |
| 23:05.43 | zwnj | you should click on the [Organize] button |
| 23:05.56 | zwnj | an yes, so in os2007 |
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| 23:35.36 | Tb0n3r | :D there, now gpe has a folder and everything's organized |
| 23:35.40 | Tb0n3r | instead of dumped into extras |
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| 23:36.25 | Deformati | How do I format the mmc card as jffs2? |
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