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| 00:09.04 | Mikho | I just realized you'll have to be very careful when calling gtk functions in a multithreaded program |
| 00:10.29 | Mikho | I forgot about syncronization in one single gtk_combo_box_insert_text and it destroyed *everything* 50% of the time when the program encountered the function call |
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| 02:25.54 | GeneralAntilles | Ugh, I'm really hoping the prototype photos of the slider aren't going to be anything like the final product. |
| 02:26.17 | GeneralAntilles | Not having d-pad on the outside is a pretty big usability-killer. |
| 02:42.57 | |R | Does the new BlueZ support in Maemo 4.0 means that in the near future we'll be able to use bluetooth headsets with VoIP apps? :D |
| 02:43.29 | zerojay | Someone from Nokia said that if someone simply compiled bluez right now, we'd have AD2P working. |
| 02:45.26 | |R | AD2P is for headphones sinks only though righ? |
| 02:45.28 | |R | t |
| 02:45.41 | zerojay | I honestly don't know. |
| 02:46.31 | |R | ok, i'm just over exited, i'll probably get my n800 tomorrow morning :P |
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| 02:46.51 | zerojay | Hah.. I know that excitement well. |
| 02:46.58 | zerojay | Even 5 months later, I still have it. |
| 02:47.09 | |R | :) |
| 02:47.31 | |R | I hope later this year i'll be able to pair it with an OpenMoko to share it's GPS ;) |
| 02:47.50 | GeneralAntilles | <3 Maemo Mapper |
| 02:48.13 | GeneralAntilles | Using Google for that stuff was genius |
| 02:48.16 | |R | GeneralAntilles : can you use it as an archive too without a GPS? like d/ling the whole city and then just browsing it ? |
| 02:48.22 | zerojay | Yes. |
| 02:48.25 | GeneralAntilles | Yessir |
| 02:48.28 | GeneralAntilles | Works great, too. |
| 02:48.28 | |R | woooohooo! |
| 02:48.37 | |R | How much space does it take? :) |
| 02:48.49 | zerojay | Depends on the maps and detail levels you grab. |
| 02:49.11 | |R | i live in Montreal... i'd probably grab the whole island, or at least half of it. |
| 02:49.12 | GeneralAntilles | Medium-sized city down to the finest detail is about ~150-200MB |
| 02:49.27 | |R | ok, should fit on any SD then :) |
| 02:49.37 | |R | I've read about SD corruption on a forum, is it still a problem? |
| 02:49.47 | zerojay | There's a supposed hotfix being released on the 2nd to fix the memory card corruption issues when copying files to the external slot when the machine goes into power saving mode. |
| 02:49.51 | GeneralAntilles | Unfortunately, downloads much over 20MB tend to get bogged down and stall for some reason. |
| 02:49.54 | zerojay | So be ready for that, JR. |
| 02:50.38 | |R | Ok, well i probably won't have received any card by tuesday and will still be drooling over browsing while cooking or something ;) |
| 02:50.47 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 02:50.47 | zerojay | Just warning ya. |
| 02:50.52 | |R | yeah thanks :) |
| 02:51.42 | zerojay | The tablet is great. I was on my way home from work.. I left early when I was sick.. so I was listening to music on my way home and I get a block away from my place when I hear the "new message" sound. |
| 02:51.57 | |R | So how exactly is this structured? you have a firmware with a boot loader (uBoot?) and then an image with the kernel and software (OS)... and once it's flashed you can use the rest of the card for what you want... building a new kernel is a no go because there are some binary kernel modules? |
| 02:52.00 | zerojay | Thing picked up my wifi from that far away... it was awesome. |
| 02:52.15 | |R | haha cool :) |
| 02:52.26 | GeneralAntilles | The ITs have the best wifi sensitivity I've ever seen. |
| 02:52.32 | zerojay | Absolutely. |
| 02:52.36 | GeneralAntilles | 3g + Rhapsody in the car is the best. |
| 02:52.58 | zerojay | I'd do the same here, but Canadian data plans are incredibly expensive. |
| 02:53.04 | GeneralAntilles | So I've heard |
| 02:53.05 | |R | i hope i can get kismet / ssh / mozilla / SIP agnostic VoIP / ... working :) |
| 02:53.15 | GeneralAntilles | I'm on the $20/mo unlimited AT&T plan |
| 02:53.21 | |R | GSM in canada is a monopoly... |
| 02:53.25 | |R | only one company :( |
| 02:53.29 | zerojay | If I'm lucky, 100MB for $100. |
| 02:53.34 | GeneralAntilles | Yeesh |
| 02:53.35 | |R | the rest is CDMA |
| 02:53.46 | zerojay | I work for a cell phone gaming company.. and even we get ripped off. |
| 02:53.57 | zerojay | Makes it killer to test our games because of the transfers we have to do. |
| 02:54.00 | |R | we're getting mostly ripped off that's why i want a VoIP SIP phone and eventually find a way to ditch my cell :P |
| 02:54.17 | |R | hehe |
| 02:54.20 | zerojay | I use a gizmo account.. well, sipphone.com, technically. |
| 02:54.30 | zerojay | I just use it with the RTCOMM beta. |
| 02:54.31 | |R | zerojay : which one? i have too many people working in cell phone companies |
| 02:54.39 | |R | i have an asterisk at home |
| 02:54.46 | |R | so i hope i can get my phone from home on the road ;0 |
| 02:54.54 | zerojay | I'm in a division of Ubisoft. |
| 02:55.17 | |R | competitor of JamDat who was bought up by EA i guess |
| 02:55.31 | zerojay | Jamdat was bought by EA, yeah. |
| 02:55.39 | zerojay | I know a few people that worked there or do now. |
| 02:55.54 | |R | Do they only have offices in Mtl ? |
| 02:56.03 | zerojay | We're more a developer than a publisher like Jamdat though. |
| 02:56.05 | |R | i had a friend work there for the summer |
| 02:56.10 | zerojay | No.. they have several places all over. |
| 02:56.16 | |R | working on bjewel :) |
| 02:56.52 | zerojay | I couldn't ask for a better place to work. |
| 02:57.00 | zerojay | Aside from all the phones. |
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| 02:57.16 | |R | i hope you have a good eye insurance ;) |
| 02:58.08 | zerojay | It's funny going into a cell phone store with a coworker and watching the clerks faces as we walk around pointing out phones... "Crap, crap, crap, horrible JVM, massively buggy, that's okay... oh shit, they still make these?" |
| 02:58.17 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 02:58.21 | |R | haha :D |
| 02:58.30 | GeneralAntilles | Cellphone stores are a joke |
| 02:58.41 | zerojay | I think we've got maybe 350 phones at work.. US and European. |
| 02:58.54 | |R | hehe got an OpenMoko yet? ;) |
| 02:59.02 | zerojay | Nope. |
| 02:59.22 | zerojay | We don't really get much of a choice over what phones we develop for. |
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| 02:59.43 | zerojay | Our publisher gets prereleases from Cingular, Verizon and others and asks us for blind builds for the phones. |
| 02:59.50 | bmidgley | anyone playing around with the vmware appliance for maemo/bora? |
| 02:59.57 | zerojay | Sometimes, we don't even know the resolution beforehand. |
| 03:00.00 | |R | I live like 10 minute walks from the main Ubisoft building here |
| 03:00.13 | |R | but the only person i've met from there was a sysadmin :) |
| 03:00.51 | zerojay | I guess I shouldn't say I work for Ubi anymore.. our company was sort of a project of Ubi's, but just last week, we separated from them officially. |
| 03:01.01 | |R | hehe ok |
| 03:01.11 | zerojay | It's been a long time since I've been down to Ubi in Montreal. |
| 03:01.20 | |R | I was going to ask... |
| 03:01.20 | zerojay | I remember the original offices there downtown. |
| 03:01.29 | |R | now there a bit more north :) |
| 03:01.31 | zerojay | I forget the name of the street.. but it was near Guy metro. |
| 03:01.33 | |R | they're i mean |
| 03:01.52 | zerojay | And right downstairs from their office was a computer place selling PS2 modchips. |
| 03:02.02 | |R | haha |
| 03:02.15 | zerojay | You have to have balls to do that. |
| 03:02.54 | |R | i'm not very often in that part of time (except when i worked there at the begining of the year) |
| 03:03.10 | |R | but all the towers / offices are there so that makes sense :) |
| 03:03.17 | |R | where are you located? |
| 03:03.27 | zerojay | I'm in Quebec City right now. |
| 03:03.31 | |R | oh hehe, not too far :) |
| 03:03.37 | zerojay | Nah, not too far from home. |
| 03:03.52 | |R | So you're from montreal? |
| 03:04.00 | zerojay | Yeah, it's my hometown. |
| 03:04.18 | |R | haha ok! i thought you were in the states, go figure ;) |
| 03:04.19 | zerojay | Been here working since... Halloween 2005. |
| 03:04.40 | zerojay | Everyone in my office seems to think I'm from the US, heh. |
| 03:05.04 | |R | Are you working in french or english? |
| 03:05.09 | zerojay | Both. |
| 03:05.27 | |R | ok :) |
| 03:05.35 | zerojay | According to the law, it's supposed to be all in French, but our head office is in NYC, so... not really possible. |
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| 03:05.53 | |R | hehe yeah, being from montreal too i know ;) |
| 03:06.13 | |R | But it's actually fun to work in a 50/50 environment |
| 03:06.27 | |R | if i could speak spanish, a 33/33/33 would be even more so haha ;) |
| 03:06.38 | zerojay | Almost everyone here understands English well enough anyways, so it sometimes happens that I'll have conversations with people where I'm speaking only in English and they're in French. |
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| 03:07.06 | |R | It would be pretty hard to get by with computers without understanding english |
| 03:07.22 | zerojay | We had a Mexican guy running QA. What a disaster. |
| 03:07.27 | zerojay | Not because he was Mexican. |
| 03:07.27 | |R | haha :) |
| 03:07.51 | zerojay | But he claims to be trilingual.. and he didn't seem to understand English, French or Spanish. :/ |
| 03:08.05 | |R | Yeah... last job i had at the beginning of the year... |
| 03:08.29 | |R | i had a guy under me claiming to have an engineering degree from Dubai... in Computer Eng... |
| 03:08.44 | |R | I've never ever seen anyone this bad with computers working in the field |
| 03:08.51 | zerojay | Hah. |
| 03:08.59 | |R | i couldn't believe it... and the guy was bullshitting all the way that he had qualifications |
| 03:09.06 | |R | i've met better people at the beginning of high school! |
| 03:09.43 | zerojay | My best friend was the head of programming.. and he let me see some of the tests we send out to people that want to work for us. |
| 03:10.02 | zerojay | Usually, it's one or two problems.. simple stuff. |
| 03:10.14 | zerojay | Except that because we work on phones, we have VERY limited memory |
| 03:10.22 | zerojay | So we have to recycle like crazy. |
| 03:10.41 | |R | lot of Demo Scene fans ? ;) |
| 03:10.50 | zerojay | At the top of the test, it says "DO NOT CREATE VARIABLES IN YOUR ANSWER" |
| 03:10.59 | zerojay | (We've got a few of those working with us. :) |
| 03:11.17 | zerojay | 9/10 times, the very first line in their answers: |
| 03:11.18 | |R | Ever met a Dominic in Montreal? |
| 03:11.24 | zerojay | int i; |
| 03:11.27 | zerojay | NOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 03:11.30 | |R | working at DTI (doing plane games...) |
| 03:11.36 | |R | haha |
| 03:11.39 | zerojay | I've met a ton of them. |
| 03:11.52 | zerojay | Can't say I know him offhand. |
| 03:11.53 | |R | Decax by his alias |
| 03:12.38 | |R | Or Joanathan, the guy who organised Coma Demo parties... |
| 03:12.38 | |R | s/Joa/Jo |
| 03:12.39 | zerojay | That sounds familiar, actually. |
| 03:15.08 | |R | Pretty small world... |
| 03:15.52 | pupnikafk | would like to see a nice demo on the 770 |
| 03:16.18 | zerojay | Would be a nice challenge. |
| 03:16.36 | pupnikafk | i have source for a future crew demo here somewhere |
| 03:16.47 | |R | And a freakin' good marketing idea ;) |
| 03:16.47 | pupnikafk | but.. x86, vga trix all of it |
| 03:16.56 | |R | haha go future crew! |
| 03:17.01 | |R | second reality should be ported :P |
| 03:17.08 | |R | good luck though |
| 03:17.20 | pupnikafk | i think some of them went on to work on Max Payne |
| 03:17.56 | |R | Uhm, where are the hidden infinit fractal level with phong shading? :P |
| 03:18.51 | pupnikafk | xaos almost runs ok on the 770 |
| 03:19.01 | pupnikafk | the little fire mini-demo from the pc works nice |
| 03:19.36 | pupnikafk | anyway... |
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| 03:20.07 | disq | ooh somebody said demoscene |
| 03:20.46 | zerojay | Hardcore demoscene programmers are some of the best guys to hire in my line of work. |
| 03:21.01 | zerojay | So long as you don't get ALL demoscene coders. |
| 03:21.15 | zerojay | Or else... surprise, your game feels more like a demo. |
| 03:21.23 | |R | haha |
| 03:21.39 | pupnikafk | you do games for phones? |
| 03:21.42 | |R | real demo shouldn't make people want to touch keys, so you're ok :P |
| 03:21.50 | zerojay | "Why are the main characters waving all over the screen? Why are there shoutouts?" |
| 03:21.58 | zerojay | "BECAUSE IT'S COOL!" |
| 03:21.59 | |R | ahaha |
| 03:22.01 | zerojay | pupnikafk: Yeah. |
| 03:22.10 | disq | "what's with that sine scroll" :P |
| 03:22.14 | pupnikafk | nice |
| 03:22.17 | zerojay | disq: Exactly. lol |
| 03:22.28 | zerojay | disq: As if most phones could even handle that at decent speeds. |
| 03:22.36 | |R | well, 286 could! :P |
| 03:22.48 | zerojay | Most phones can't. |
| 03:22.55 | zerojay | Either because of sheer performance issues. |
| 03:22.57 | zerojay | Or bugs. |
| 03:23.01 | zerojay | Bad, bad bugs. |
| 03:23.15 | zerojay | LIke the Samsung that always -1 from all FillRects. |
| 03:23.21 | |R | haha, replace the OS live! you can do it! ;) |
| 03:23.43 | zerojay | What happens when you draw a rect with a width of 1? Well, you get fucking nothing, that's what. |
| 03:24.21 | zerojay | I can't remember which phone that was offhand.. a Samsung, maybe BREW. |
| 03:24.21 | disq | so you can't hline? |
| 03:24.37 | zerojay | disq: Even that gets -1. |
| 03:24.57 | disq | ah, width. i got it as height |
| 03:25.03 | zerojay | So all over our code, we had to check if it was that damn phone and we just did number +1. |
| 03:25.29 | zerojay | I believe it was only an issue on the bottom and top parts of a fillrect. |
| 03:25.37 | zerojay | The thickness of the rect line. |
| 03:26.02 | zerojay | So you draw a rect with a thickness of 1.. and you get this | | |
| 03:26.52 | zerojay | The Sagem phones that like to reserve color index 2 for a weird 50% alpha transparency... |
| 03:27.16 | zerojay | That was cause for quite a few WTF moments. |
| 03:27.18 | disq | so you basically build your own framework to wrap the common api functions |
| 03:27.30 | zerojay | Yeah, that's right. |
| 03:27.44 | disq | my friends at a similar company here ("tikle", and here is turkey) did the same thing |
| 03:27.58 | zerojay | Its the only way you can port to other phones quickly enough. |
| 03:28.05 | GAN800 | Ha |
| 03:28.07 | zerojay | Gameloft used to hire one programmer per phone. |
| 03:28.17 | GAN800 | What kind of jokers do they have working at these phone companies? >_> |
| 03:28.38 | zerojay | They couldn't figure out how we were able to spend only $20 porting to a new Moto when they paid $2200. |
| 03:28.51 | disq | one coder per phone is a fun approach :) |
| 03:29.03 | zerojay | Even more fun about that approach: |
| 03:29.13 | zerojay | Completely separate code bases per phone. |
| 03:29.18 | |R | hahaha |
| 03:29.19 | disq | lol |
| 03:29.48 | |R | i know a guy there too... i'll ask him next time on which phone he is working :P |
| 03:29.53 | zerojay | Ours was one code base for all phones. We use #defines to set up the phone we want to build for and its stats (JAR size, etc..)... and that's that. |
| 03:30.08 | zerojay | jR: I think they stopped that six months ago. |
| 03:30.37 | zerojay | So Gameloft would ask for our source for phone A and I would send them back the same e-mail telling them that the source for ALL the phones was the same. |
| 03:30.44 | zerojay | And they would say "that's not possible". |
| 03:30.50 | zerojay | FUCKING READ IT. |
| 03:31.13 | |R | haha |
| 03:31.14 | zerojay | So yeah.. lol... |
| 03:32.00 | zerojay | Most of the time, we get a new phone in (either physically or at a different office) and within about 20 minutes with the basic specs, we have a running version of our games for it. |
| 03:32.05 | zerojay | Most of the time. |
| 03:32.31 | zerojay | Occasionally, we'll get a prerelease from Cingular for a week and it's completely retarded or something. |
| 03:32.42 | zerojay | Gotta love Nokia. |
| 03:32.54 | zerojay | 6230.. 6230i.. NOTHING IS THE SAME. |
| 03:32.59 | zerojay | Not even the resolution. |
| 03:33.02 | |R | haha |
| 03:33.30 | zerojay | 3650 and 7650, stay the hell away from it. |
| 03:33.42 | zerojay | The JVM's garbage collector *does not work*. |
| 03:33.52 | disq | did they fix that in 6600? |
| 03:34.05 | zerojay | 6600 doesn't have any problems like that. We support it. |
| 03:34.14 | disq | i had a 6600 for a while, first time they were around. then it was too slow for me and i switched back to s40 phones |
| 03:34.29 | zerojay | Gotta love the 3220. |
| 03:34.36 | zerojay | Or as we call it around the office, the disco phone. |
| 03:35.00 | disq | the clubber phone. it's dpad is uncomfortable though. i got one for mom a few years back |
| 03:35.03 | zerojay | Thing has white plastic patches on the sides for lights to go off like you're at a rave. |
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| 03:35.22 | zerojay | We discovered that the white plastic where the lights are also work extremely well as a pencil eraser. |
| 03:35.23 | disq | i have the 6021. a little thick compared to today's tech, but it's almost 2 years old |
| 03:35.27 | zerojay | LIke those white ones. |
| 03:35.43 | zerojay | I don't think we have the 6021 at work. |
| 03:36.01 | zerojay | let me guess.. 128x128 screen? |
| 03:36.24 | disq | i'd like to get a thinner edge-capable nokia with a joystick but there aren't many options, they switched back to fucking dpads |
| 03:36.31 | disq | well. not sure |
| 03:36.50 | zerojay | Our games are meant for 128x??? phones... and our publisher says "we need you to port for this Moto"... can't remember the model. |
| 03:36.58 | zerojay | I think it was a pay as you go. |
| 03:37.13 | zerojay | Thing had a screen of 96x62 or something like that. |
| 03:37.32 | disq | yeah the 6021 is 128x128 |
| 03:38.15 | zerojay | I remember we once got in this Samsung.. thing looked like a complete ripoff of the ipod nanos... but FAR smaller. |
| 03:38.29 | zerojay | So small that the keys were only two on a row instead of the usual three. |
| 03:38.37 | zerojay | Cost something insane like $800. |
| 03:38.59 | zerojay | Well, the guy that ordered it didn't bother checking on the phone before ordering it for us. |
| 03:39.14 | zerojay | I get it in my hands and find out the damn thing doesn't even have Java on it. |
| 03:39.20 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 03:39.26 | disq | two row keys.. i guess you had to change the key configuration on the games |
| 03:39.34 | zerojay | There were no games. |
| 03:39.38 | disq | ah, no java, ok |
| 03:39.40 | zerojay | There was no way to run them. lol |
| 03:39.41 | disq | missed it |
| 03:40.01 | zerojay | So we just use it as an expensive paperweight. |
| 03:40.33 | GeneralAntilles | It's amazing the crap that the cellular market spews out. |
| 03:40.42 | zerojay | Don't get Virgin Mobile phones if you can help it. |
| 03:41.09 | zerojay | The standards that we usually have to follow say that the JAD file for our games must have a newline at the end of it. |
| 03:41.17 | zerojay | Guess what happens on the Virgin phones? |
| 03:41.22 | disq | lol |
| 03:41.26 | zerojay | They puke all over the place when they see the newline. |
| 03:42.13 | zerojay | Nokia N95.. great phones. |
| 03:42.25 | pupnikafk | what's the product life cycle of phones? |
| 03:42.28 | zerojay | But we had a bug on them for a while. |
| 03:42.36 | pupnikafk | 6 months? 9 months? |
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| 03:42.40 | zerojay | "Can't download the game, always says certificate error" |
| 03:42.57 | zerojay | Turns out that it didn't like the fact that we used a capital letter somewhere. |
| 03:43.11 | zerojay | pupnikafk: About that. |
| 03:43.17 | pupnikafk | i expect a lot of this is due to time constraints |
| 03:43.27 | zerojay | Most likely. |
| 03:43.57 | zerojay | We had a party at work when we found out Sendo went bankrupt a year or so ago. |
| 03:43.59 | pupnikafk | so most of your customers are OEMs? or do you have a games portal or what |
| 03:44.30 | zerojay | We've got a publisher for our mobile games stuff. They get requests direct from the phone providers. |
| 03:44.39 | pupnikafk | ok |
| 03:44.43 | zerojay | Cingular, Verizon, O2, Telefonica, etc... |
| 03:45.05 | zerojay | They tell us when some new phones are coming out, we build our games for them. |
| 03:45.30 | zerojay | Unlike console games where you sell a ton around your release and taper off... cell phone games can have much longer lifespans. |
| 03:46.08 | zerojay | You get lower returns monthly, but it's steady.. and there's always new phones to target. |
| 03:46.21 | zerojay | Our first game is going on three years now, I think. |
| 03:47.05 | GeneralAntilles | Got a website? |
| 03:47.24 | zerojay | It's cute seeing our game designers thinking that phones can handle stuff like scaling sprites easily. Naive. |
| 03:47.32 | disq | the 6300 looks like a nice upgrade to the 6021 |
| 03:47.35 | zerojay | GeneralAntilles: http://www.longtailstudios.com |
| 03:47.48 | zerojay | disq: Pretty sure we have that one. |
| 03:48.29 | GeneralAntilles | Love Triangle? Haha |
| 03:48.30 | zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Our released games are mostly love/relationship themed (they were going to be sort of flirty and risque originally). |
| 03:48.52 | zerojay | Until almost every phone provider told us that our games were "too hot" for them. |
| 03:49.12 | zerojay | Even Japan. |
| 03:49.17 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 03:49.28 | zerojay | And they have fucking tentacle penis monsters on daytime TV! |
| 03:49.48 | zerojay | Even our toned down versions were too much. |
| 03:49.52 | zerojay | It was horrible. |
| 03:50.24 | zerojay | Imagine... you've got this flirty little game and suddenly they tell you you can't even have the characters talk about kissing. |
| 03:50.27 | zerojay | WTF |
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| 03:50.36 | GeneralAntilles | Weird |
| 03:50.53 | zerojay | They wouldn't even tell us what was wrong. |
| 03:51.06 | zerojay | They would just send our text back and say it was rejected. |
| 03:51.13 | zerojay | After 3 months. |
| 03:51.20 | disq | gah. this one too has a d-pad. i want joysticks |
| 03:52.10 | zerojay | As a person that started off in QA and has probably played with almost every phone you've thought about, trust me, you don't want those little ball nub things that pass for cell phone joysticks. |
| 03:52.51 | GeneralAntilles | I used my phone for making phone calls and sending data around |
| 03:52.56 | GeneralAntilles | Make it small, that's about all I want. |
| 03:53.29 | zerojay | Work is fun. Tons of bluetooth phones around... so you can play around. |
| 03:53.30 | disq | why, they're much more comfortable than using dpads. selecting something (clicking on something) with a dpad can be horrendous |
| 03:53.44 | zerojay | I sent every phone in the office the price is right theme song renamed to 1.mp3. |
| 03:53.50 | zerojay | It spread like wildfire. |
| 03:54.26 | zerojay | disq: Maybe in average use cases, you'd be right... but after 8 hours a day, neither one of them feel too good. |
| 03:54.27 | disq | yeah all i want is bluetooth+edge/whatever and normal battery life |
| 03:55.04 | zerojay | Battery life is a big problem at work too. |
| 03:55.09 | disq | if the n800 was a solid product (in terms of software and speed) i wouldn't even want it to have a phone book or a microphone/speaker |
| 03:55.26 | disq | i'd just pair it off and put it somewhere on my belt or something |
| 03:55.27 | zerojay | I hate getting a phone and finding it's 30 seconds away from death.. and every single socket on the entire floor is already being used. |
| 03:56.12 | zerojay | I find it pretty solid.. but then again, I've been using nothing but open source stuff for 7 years. |
| 03:56.27 | GeneralAntilles | N800 is great. |
| 03:56.28 | pupnik | Wal-Mart forced Duke Nukem to censor some things - friend of mine was negotiating that |
| 03:56.36 | disq | i would suggest you keep spare batteries but with every brand there's a few different types of batt packs already |
| 03:56.37 | GeneralAntilles | Just managed to get together a UPnP server |
| 03:56.40 | zerojay | pupnik: You can't say no to them either. |
| 03:56.54 | zerojay | disq: Yeah, there's just too much. |
| 03:57.02 | GeneralAntilles | wish I had trancoding or a hardware MPEG4 encoder, though |
| 03:57.17 | disq | it's just not phone-stable (sans the early s60 phones :P ) what if it crashes during an emergency and that kind of things worry me |
| 03:57.32 | zerojay | disq: Yeah, it's not that stable. |
| 03:57.44 | GeneralAntilles | Meh, who cares about stable. It's not phone form-factor. |
| 03:57.55 | GeneralAntilles | I'm not walking around with my N800 on the side of my face. |
| 03:58.05 | zerojay | Like the N-Gage. |
| 03:58.08 | zerojay | Sidetalkin. |
| 03:58.10 | zerojay | ;) |
| 03:58.36 | disq | if you want to replace it with your phone (use a bt-enabled dummy sim-box on your keychain instead) that stuff worries you. but yeah, i love my n800. hell i love my 770 too. |
| 03:59.00 | zerojay | http://sidetalking.com/photos.html |
| 03:59.04 | disq | sidetalking. lol |
| 03:59.07 | GeneralAntilles | 770s make great couch browsers |
| 03:59.08 | disq | that site rocks |
| 03:59.10 | SenileBob | Hey everyone, I'm looking for a developer who would be interested in working for our company on a software application to run on the N800. pm me if you have the skills and the time. |
| 03:59.30 | SenileBob | the project involves home automation |
| 03:59.46 | zerojay | SenileBob: No offence, man.. but I'm not too sure I'd want to work for a guy with a name like SenileBob. ;) |
| 03:59.51 | SenileBob | haha |
| 04:00.09 | disq | yeah, that could be the reason you didn't get much replies |
| 04:00.21 | SenileBob | its just a name guys...cmon :P |
| 04:00.26 | zerojay | disq: http://sidetalking.com/Images-Disturbing/st9.jpg |
| 04:00.52 | pupnik | sidetalking? |
| 04:01.05 | zerojay | A friend of mine was going through so much overtime at work that he said he had a nightmare that the Nokia hands were strangling him. |
| 04:01.16 | pupnik | haha |
| 04:01.24 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 04:01.38 | zerojay | pupnik: On the Nokia N-Gage and N-Gage QD, the speaker was on the side of the phone.. sort of like where the USB connector is on the N800. |
| 04:01.43 | zerojay | So you had to hold it sideways. |
| 04:02.03 | pupnik | i need a tentacle logo hack |
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| 04:02.34 | SenileBob | but seriously, other than being scared to work for a Senile bloke named Bob, anyone interested in developing an app for the N800 for our company? |
| 04:02.50 | zerojay | pupnik: http://sidetalking.com/Images-General/Image(02).jpg <-- exactly like that.. but slightly smaller. ;) |
| 04:03.27 | zerojay | You had to hold the thing the same way. |
| 04:03.55 | zerojay | And Nokia made the priceless mistake in the first version of the N-Gage to put the cartridge slot UNDER the battery. |
| 04:04.25 | zerojay | "Hang on, I gotta unplug my PS3 before I can switch games." |
| 04:04.27 | pupnik | http://doogs.typepad.com/blog/images/fsm.jpg |
| 04:04.51 | zerojay | Hah. |
| 04:05.05 | zerojay | I think one of the artists has that next to her desk. |
| 04:05.46 | pupnik | SenileBob: Do you have a job posting somewhere? |
| 04:05.59 | zerojay | http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/30/ginormous-razr-2-crashes-into-mercedes-film-at-eleven/ <-- now you know why it's called a RAZR. |
| 04:06.19 | disq | i'm wondering about a job posting too |
| 04:07.06 | disq | though i'm not really interested in one-time projects. would take a maemo oriented job though |
| 04:07.25 | disq | too many "though"s. |
| 04:08.02 | SenileBob | pupnik: no job posting, dont want a bunch of people applying who dont have the skills, such a waste of time that way |
| 04:08.53 | SenileBob | we just need a developer who knows their stuff re: N800 application development, and can work with us to get something ready ASAP. |
| 04:09.46 | SenileBob | I have found in the past that its much easier to find the perfect developer in IRC channels dedicated to a device |
| 04:09.48 | pupnik | not a lot of europeans awake right now, btw |
| 04:10.22 | SenileBob | ya, i guessed that when there was really no activity earlier on |
| 04:11.40 | SenileBob | I am used to workin around the various world times, coz I live in Australia where the people arent that easy to come by for the work we need done. |
| 04:12.05 | pupnik | all i do is port SDL games btw |
| 04:12.27 | SenileBob | SDL? |
| 04:12.27 | _Monkey | SDL is, like, Simple DirectMedia Layer http://www.libsdl.org |
| 04:13.07 | pupnik | you probably want someone who knows gtk/hildon well |
| 04:13.18 | disq | it's about home automation so they probably want a customizable/themable screen with buttons and preferences and has an API at the back to talk to |
| 04:13.26 | SenileBob | the app we need developed is basically a touch screen interface for controlling your home, so needs to do a fair bit of 2d drawing, etc... |
| 04:13.37 | SenileBob | disq: basically :) |
| 04:14.53 | SenileBob | basically the app needs to read XML (with predefined button locations, sizes, and the path to the image files) and draw it on the screen, then communicate with the control system processor via wifi |
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| 04:15.29 | GeneralAntilles | What sort of home automation? |
| 04:15.32 | SenileBob | Crestron |
| 04:15.47 | SenileBob | the high end of the scale :) |
| 04:16.20 | SenileBob | we would also like to turn the N800 into a dedicated control device - ie. kiosk mode with just our custom app running, and maybe a web browser. |
| 04:17.20 | disq | then rebrand/sell the devices like the wireless security thingy (don't remember the name) did with the 770? |
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| 04:17.33 | disq | should also make custom faceplates |
| 04:17.52 | SenileBob | rebrand not necessary, but always an option i guess |
| 04:18.22 | SenileBob | anyone got more info on that wireless security thingy? id be interested to see what they did :) |
| 04:19.33 | pupnik | sounds like a simple project |
| 04:19.57 | disq | it was a product to scan wifi networks for "security flaws" (you know what that means :P ) |
| 04:20.59 | GeneralAntilles | $3200 |
| 04:21.03 | GeneralAntilles | Biggest scam ever. |
| 04:21.52 | MikaT_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:22.02 | MikaT_ | sorry... |
| 04:22.30 | bedboi | does anyone know how to disable the stupid "checking whether build environment is sane" in configure? |
| 04:22.33 | bedboi | it is so stupid |
| 04:22.37 | bedboi | really stupid |
| 04:24.04 | dpb_ | why is it stupid? you want to build on a broken system? |
| 04:28.48 | SenileBob | are my PM's getting through disq? |
| 04:28.53 | pupnik | if you're building a debian package you can add -nc to skip the clean |
| 04:29.06 | pupnik | need to register your nick SenileBob |
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| 04:29.36 | SenileBob | yeah i just did, and now my pms dont seem to be getting blocked, but no replies |
| 04:29.46 | SenileBob | ill try with u pupnik |
| 04:29.57 | SenileBob | get my msg? |
| 04:31.26 | pupnik | yes |
| 04:32.54 | erstazi | arr |
| 04:33.06 | erstazi | how is everyone doing? long time since I joined |
| 04:33.13 | Blacksito | bye |
| 04:33.24 | pupnik | we raised 1.2 million in a week! :) |
| 04:33.39 | erstazi | pupnik: whom is we? |
| 04:33.46 | pupnik | ronpaul2008.com :) |
| 04:33.56 | GeneralAntilles | Really? |
| 04:33.57 | GeneralAntilles | Wow |
| 04:33.58 | GeneralAntilles | Go Paul! |
| 04:34.06 | erstazi | pupnik: looking |
| 04:34.58 | pupnik | Yes, i'm excited to see 3rd quarter results |
| 04:34.59 | erstazi | pupnik: but you are in Germany,... |
| 04:35.49 | pupnik | yep :) |
| 04:36.52 | erstazi | pupnik: well, he shares a lot of my views, interesting that you mentioned him |
| 04:36.55 | pupnik | Ron Paul would also help bring the german troops home |
| 04:37.24 | pupnik | The internet loves Ron Paul :) |
| 04:37.31 | erstazi | pupnik: I see, wikipedia tells me |
| 04:37.48 | erstazi | pupnik: also, my Austrian roots tell me I would like his philosophies |
| 04:38.26 | GeneralAntilles | Too bad he doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell at winning. :( |
| 04:39.18 | pupnik | vegas betters upgraded him from 200:1 to 8:1. I think giuliani is a 4:! |
| 04:39.33 | GeneralAntilles | Giuliani can burn |
| 04:39.40 | GeneralAntilles | Man's a goddamn fascist |
| 04:41.47 | pupnik | yes |
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| 04:46.11 | erstazi | well, definitely Ron Paul's internet support is high |
| 04:46.20 | erstazi | highest youtube views and subscribers |
| 04:46.59 | pupnik | yep, and "Ron Paul" even beat out "Paris Hilton" for google searches a few months ago |
| 04:47.38 | pupnik | feel free to join ##RonPaul on freenode for more chat |
| 04:48.36 | GeneralAntilles | So, any reactions on the renewed possibility that that Nokia prototype might actually be the new IT? |
| 04:49.12 | pupnik | how 'renewed'? |
| 04:49.47 | GeneralAntilles | thoughtfix evidently found some FCC docs indicating that it may not be just another smartphone as was assumed. |
| 04:50.11 | pupnik | no info here |
| 04:51.31 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10023&page=12 |
| 04:51.35 | GeneralAntilles | I think it's on that page. |
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| 05:26.05 | disq | dumb, dumb nokia. the 6300 has a headphone jack. guess the diameter. 2.5mm's |
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| 06:28.26 | gnuite | Anybody familiar with the "Automatic Connection" stuff (source /usr/bin/connectivity_preload.sh, etc.) ? |
| 06:31.24 | disq | you can implement that with libconic |
| 06:31.46 | disq | but on maemo 2.x libconic is not distributed. i compiled it though and it's available in the garage repositories (and maemoscrobbler uses it) |
| 06:32.33 | disq | real easy api to silently check if the device is connected or trigger a connection request |
| 06:34.58 | gnuite | Any idea why connectivity_preload.sh might work with one instantiation of gnome_vfs_read_entire_file(), but not in another instantiation? (Not in the same binary, but from the same codebase - just different versions of the code.) |
| 06:35.21 | gnuite | s/instantiation/invocation/g |
| 06:37.56 | pupnik | you have libconic for 770? nice disq - i will mention it on the acmonitor page |
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| 06:53.24 | disq | gnuite: no idea |
| 06:54.10 | disq | pupnik: it just compiles and works ok, didn't need any changes |
| 06:54.54 | disq | (it's a wrapper for libosso-ic* anyways) |
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| 08:41.04 | b0unc3 | good morning... |
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| 08:43.40 | pupnik | hiyas... can i build a gtk app that needs cairo stuff? |
| 08:43.42 | pupnik | wb AD-N770 |
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| 08:44.33 | AD-N770 | good morning from Barcelona, sunny day here :) |
| 08:46.21 | railk | hi, i'm having probs with libgpg-error0... libgpg-error-minimal is installed and making libgpg-error0 install fail... both are needed by other packages |
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| 09:09.48 | pupnik | AD-N770: angband + SDL running here |
| 09:11.18 | AD-N770 | pupnik: really busy nowadays, I would like spend time to find what is causing random segfault on my nethack port, but I don't know when I will be able to do that :( |
| 09:11.56 | pupnik | :/ |
| 09:12.23 | pupnik | maybe someone will come to rescue somday - how often does it segfault? |
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| 09:15.39 | flip^ | angband on maemo? :o |
| 09:16.12 | flip^ | anyone ported adom yet? |
| 09:16.33 | flip^ | (which may not be open source, actually) |
| 09:17.36 | Big_B | good morning(~ugt) |
| 09:17.47 | pupnik | the only real good roguelike port is AD-N770 's nethack, flip^ |
| 09:17.58 | pupnik | but if you have a bluetooth keyboard, tome and angband will work ok |
| 09:20.14 | flip^ | the problem with the nethack port is that its graphical... i know its a graphical OS, but if i want to play one of the old games, i want it text and not scrolling |
| 09:20.21 | flip^ | tbh, i want the original rogue :) |
| 09:20.39 | pupnik | <start> |
| 09:21.25 | pupnik | hmm i don't see rogue in debian |
| 09:21.31 | gla55_ | stylus control kind of needs gui |
| 09:22.02 | pupnik | i want to play with left-hand dpad and RH thumb only |
| 09:22.07 | flip^ | oh, i don't mind a gui. i might a graphical tileset and scrolling |
| 09:22.17 | flip^ | er |
| 09:22.18 | flip^ | mind |
| 09:22.47 | gla55_ | i'd rather have the normal character based tileset too |
| 09:22.59 | gla55_ | fuck do i know what sprite is what :p |
| 09:23.11 | flip^ | yeah, I like letters |
| 09:24.39 | gla55_ | does it need to be pocketable too? |
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| 09:25.02 | flip^ | Ideally, but I could live without that if absolutely necessary |
| 09:27.54 | dneary | does qgil ever come in here? It doesn't feel like it |
| 09:28.11 | jani | seen him few times in the channel.. |
| 09:28.12 | _Monkey | I haven't seen 'him', jani |
| 09:28.38 | Jaffa | _Monkey: seen qgil |
| 09:28.38 | _Monkey | qgil was last seen on #maemo 13 days, 19 hours, 1 minutes and 58 seconds ago, saying: we have completed the upload and we are doing the last testing before announcing the release [Mon Sep 17 15:26:40 2007] |
| 09:28.46 | AD-N770 | flip^: you can use the ascii tileset and the keyboard commands should also work on my nethack port |
| 09:28.55 | Jaffa | dneary: So, that'd be yes :-) |
| 09:29.22 | dneary | Jaffa, jani: Thanks |
| 09:29.33 | dneary | But it also means "not very often" |
| 09:29.38 | jani | yep. |
| 09:29.41 | Jaffa | Indeed |
| 09:30.49 | flip^ | AD-N770: does it come with the ascii set? |
| 09:31.25 | pupnik | sound works! :) |
| 09:31.34 | AD-N770 | flip^: yes |
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| 09:32.36 | AD-N770 | flip^: http://personal.telefonica.terra.es/web/n770galaxy/nethack6.png |
| 09:33.56 | flip^ | does scrolling go away at min zoom? |
| 09:35.07 | flip^ | i must admit, with an ascii tileset, it could warm on me some more :) |
| 09:35.45 | AD-N770 | flip^: at min zoom you don't need to scroll on the map but scroll bars will be there |
| 09:36.30 | flip^ | pupnik: http://packages.debian.org/stable/games/bsdgames-nonfree |
| 09:42.44 | pupnik | http://pupnik.de/bsdgames-nonfree_2.17-1_armel.deb |
| 09:43.04 | pupnik | bah 5 minutes |
| 09:43.11 | flip^ | are all its dependancies on maemo already? |
| 09:43.13 | flip^ | 5 minutes? |
| 09:43.28 | pupnik | to build |
| 09:43.33 | flip^ | ah |
| 09:43.36 | flip^ | impressive :) |
| 09:44.40 | pupnik | oop forgot to change section to user/games |
| 09:45.01 | pupnik | done |
| 09:45.15 | pupnik | afk bank |
| 09:45.35 | flip^ | okie |
| 09:48.03 | flip^ | aha |
| 09:50.41 | flip^ | not easily playable sadly, with the d-pad not providing direction control, but quite cool :) |
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| 10:16.56 | Jaffa | bsdgames is already in MUD :-) |
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| 10:21.39 | lardman | That thread on itt about the new tablet is rather funny |
| 10:22.02 | jani | whats the url .. |
| 10:22.14 | lardman | wonderful sweeping statements about how Nokia shouldn't release new hardware until they do this, this and that with the software, etc. |
| 10:22.42 | lardman | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10023 is the start |
| 10:23.00 | lardman | the end is the best though, starts getting somewhat ranty (is that a word?) |
| 10:23.13 | Jaffa | It's enough of a word |
| 10:24.07 | lardman | The other thing I especially like is the 100word single paragraph diatribes against Nokia, I certainly can't bring myself to concentrate enough to read that! |
| 10:24.13 | lardman | 1000 word even! |
| 10:25.36 | lardman | oh well, enough entertainment for the morning - I was tempted to wade in, but I think it would just start a flame war :) |
| 10:28.19 | lardman | zuh: About your headers, I don't know anything about those, sorry |
| 10:29.24 | lardman | kulve: Have you ever tried using dbg() when crashing the dsp kernel? I'm finding that I get a notification of a dbg message, but the data must take some time to be read from the shared memory buffer and the kernel is gone by then |
| 10:31.12 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, stay out. |
| 10:31.15 | GeneralAntilles | Not worth it. :) |
| 10:31.26 | lardman | it is sooo frustrating though |
| 10:31.36 | lardman | but yes, you're right |
| 10:31.49 | GeneralAntilles | All that I know, my cash is going to be out and ready the second CompUSA opens on release day for the next tablet. |
| 10:32.14 | GeneralAntilles | There's an awful lot of Nokia haters on ITT |
| 10:32.15 | lardman | fwiw, I'd be very happy with a new device with a keyboard |
| 10:32.22 | kulve | lardman: I think not.. |
| 10:32.24 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno why they bother sticking around. |
| 10:32.29 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: Yes, malcontents I guess you might call them |
| 10:32.44 | lardman | kulve: It's a real pita :) |
| 10:32.54 | pupnik | keyboard would = more buttonzors with would = happy puppy |
| 10:33.14 | GeneralAntilles | I really hope they don't remove the buttons off the outside, though. |
| 10:33.24 | lardman | I used to program on the go on my Psions, would be nice to be able to do that on the Nokia (and the on-screen is not that easy to use) |
| 10:33.33 | GeneralAntilles | Be a horrible pain to have to open the slider to get to the d-pad |
| 10:33.50 | Jaffa | A proper Psion-style rather than WinMob-style keyboard would be nice, though |
| 10:33.54 | flip^ | its one of the reasons i want a bt kb, if i can find a decent one |
| 10:34.11 | pupnik | my thinkouside stowaway works |
| 10:34.12 | lardman | Jaffa: yes, but it's patented I think... |
| 10:34.35 | Jaffa | lardman: some bits of it are, certainly, yes. |
| 10:35.04 | GeneralAntilles | Amazon |
| 10:35.05 | _Monkey | Amazon is, like, 357 now or something |
| 10:35.24 | lardman | Jaffa: It would need to be bigger, but then I'd be happy with a larger device, easier to see/use the screen |
| 10:35.48 | Jaffa | _Monkey: forget amazon |
| 10:35.48 | _Monkey | Jaffa: I forgot amazon |
| 10:37.00 | flip^ | http://www.microanvika.com/product.asp?TXT=INFO&PNO=THI59301&ref=froogle&cam=THI59301&key=358124 <- that one that will work on n800, anyone? |
| 10:37.28 | gla55_ | yeah |
| 10:37.41 | pupnik | if that dpad is easy to move back and forth it could be a winner |
| 10:37.55 | pupnik | sierra has 4 rows |
| 10:37.57 | gla55_ | flip^: sierra has numbers row |
| 10:38.08 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody have this one? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823203005 |
| 10:38.10 | gla55_ | flip^: i'd much rather go with sierra |
| 10:38.10 | flip^ | but still works? |
| 10:38.19 | flip^ | yeah, i'd miss not having numbers |
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| 10:43.31 | pupnik | i think i could use the dpad with kbd slid-out |
| 10:46.29 | flip^ | i think i'd like arrow keys on a kb, and a dpad separate anyway |
| 10:51.51 | gla55_ | flip: i got the one you linked, works nicely.. it's just that missing the numbers row makes console use a bit painful for me |
| 10:52.14 | flip^ | yeah, that's why i'm looking at a sierra one.. only a tenner more tho >.< |
| 10:54.21 | GeneralAntilles | Too bad the Sierra is ugly as all get out. |
| 10:55.00 | flip^ | that said, my friends mock me enough as it is for the technology i carry around |
| 10:56.00 | pupnik | oh nice - Betrayal at Krondor has been released in its entirety as freeware! |
| 10:56.24 | flip^ | Betrayal at Krondor? |
| 10:56.40 | pupnik | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10030 |
| 10:57.06 | SenileBob | Hey everyone, I'm looking for a developer who would be interested in working for our company on a software application to run on the N800. pm me if you have the skills and the time. |
| 10:57.22 | pupnik | amazing that one of the developers is on the ITT forums |
| 10:57.34 | SenileBob | the project involves home automation |
| 10:57.48 | SenileBob | hey pupnik, sorry if my msgs get old :P |
| 10:57.55 | pupnik | np |
| 10:58.54 | flip^ | I vaguely remember seeing a hack somewhere that you could use to get a mouse pointer to appear permanently on a n800 (so it's usable with synergy, etc)... but i can't find it anywhere now :S |
| 10:59.50 | pupnik | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7178&highlight=synergy ^^flip^ |
| 11:00.22 | flip^ | cheers :) |
| 11:07.23 | GeneralAntilles | Mmmm . . . Synergy |
| 11:07.25 | GeneralAntilles | What a wonderful thing |
| 11:08.44 | flip^ | yeah, shame at work my desktop PC is on a different network to wireless really |
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| 11:09.34 | Veggen | flip: That also destroys for these multimedia-discovery-things... |
| 11:09.47 | flip^ | destroys? |
| 11:10.32 | Veggen | well. The applications doesn't find server via upnp to another network, do they? |
| 11:11.10 | flip^ | ah, i don't use upnp stuff too often... that said, it finds a load of other machines on the wireless server (sadly, not offering anything interesting) |
| 11:12.13 | Veggen | flip: I have several services on my wired lan that can provide upnp-stuff...but my wireless lan is a different lan (for security reasons) |
| 11:14.00 | Veggen | if I could only configure the servers myself, I'd be happy :) |
| 11:14.06 | flip^ | I thought about port forwarding across a machine that can see both networks, but it seems like a lot of effort just for synergy |
| 11:14.42 | Veggen | but they seem determined to find the servers themselves, no way to configure any extra servers that I could see. |
| 11:16.39 | pupnik | woot SDLquake now playable fast on 770 |
| 11:17.00 | pupnik | pipeline hooray |
| 11:17.07 | Jaffa | WTF?! Someone keeps moving my bug reports to IT2007HE-garage |
| 11:17.09 | pupnik | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10064 |
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| 11:18.13 | flip^ | does the bot in here keep track of links.... there's no way i can look at all the interesting links as they come through, but a digest of them later could be useful ;) |
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| 11:18.50 | pupnik | in irssi you can type /lastlog http .. there's also a channel log |
| 11:19.45 | flip^ | yeah, lastlog picks up a lot of other junk that i don't want...i might make something that trawls over the channel log tho |
| 11:20.46 | pupnik | quake getting like 20 fps on N800 now |
| 11:21.16 | GeneralAntilles | I really hope we get 3d acceleration with the next tablet. |
| 11:21.52 | disq | i really hope we get 3d accel with the current one |
| 11:21.58 | Jaffa | You might (I wouldn't hold my breath), but then something else like video bandwidth will be crippled between the accelerator and the display |
| 11:22.04 | disq | and 20fps quake? should try quakeworld :P |
| 11:22.25 | lardman | disq: me too, plus removal of the memory bandwidth issue |
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| 11:22.47 | pupnik | it's even playable fast on 770 now |
| 11:22.49 | pupnik | crazy |
| 11:22.56 | disq | mem bandwidth can't be fixed without decreasing resolution but 3d is wired and ready just no drivers |
| 11:23.10 | GeneralAntilles | Being able to play reasonably sized H.264 files would be great, too. |
| 11:23.34 | lardman | disq: There are some actually, for the wrong kernel though |
| 11:23.41 | disq | anyway it's midday and i'm dying for some sleep. will get a nap |
| 11:23.51 | disq | yeah i heard |
| 11:24.24 | GeneralAntilles | Wish the bastards would port them. >_> |
| 11:25.05 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: I imagine they have, just needs someone to pay them to release them |
| 11:25.46 | lardman | it might be interesting to roll an older kernel & match the libc version they've used and see if it runs |
| 11:27.57 | GeneralAntilles | That sounds incredibly difficult. |
| 11:28.44 | lardman | nah, I reckon it should be doable, would probably need to be an openembedded build though to make life easier |
| 11:29.01 | lardman | then the xserver could also be matched more easily |
| 11:30.28 | lardman | is it generally possible to recover from a segfault? I'm wondering if the dsp kernel could survive a segfaulting dsptask |
| 11:32.02 | lardman | The SDK is for kernel version 2.6.10 |
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| 11:39.26 | lardman | kulve: Do you have any ideas about how static variables in dsp tasks are handled by the dsp kernel? |
| 11:39.49 | lardman | kulve: I'm guessing that a block of memory is mapped for these variables and this is then freed when the task is unloaded |
| 11:40.29 | lardman | kulve: Just trying to work out what I might need to clean-up to get my task to exit cleanly and see if I can not take down the kernel when I segfault |
| 11:41.56 | kulve | lardman: sorry, no ideas about that either.. |
| 11:42.43 | lardman | np, I'll do some experimenting later on |
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| 13:17.08 | Tak | does canola work with the scrobbler? |
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| 13:31.29 | GeneralAntilles | Not so far, Tak. |
| 13:31.38 | GeneralAntilles | Scrobbler's there, but I don't believe any software uses it yet. |
| 13:32.06 | Jaffa | Kagu does |
| 13:33.52 | Tak | I see, thanks |
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| 13:43.20 | pupnik | scrobbler heh great name |
| 13:45.06 | Tak | blame last.fm |
| 13:45.53 | pupnik | you see the new quake build with XSP yet? |
| 13:46.16 | Tak | no, I haven't |
| 13:46.17 | Tak | how is it? |
| 13:46.32 | pupnik | playable fast on 770 |
| 13:46.48 | pupnik | needs to fix a couple of XSP glitches and UI steering issues |
| 13:47.06 | flip^ | is there a screenshot of it anywhere? |
| 13:47.17 | Tak | pupnik: very nice |
| 13:47.19 | pupnik | it looks like quake |
| 13:47.25 | Tak | heh, there are going to be steering issues NMW |
| 13:47.33 | flip^ | i was wondering how its controlled |
| 13:47.36 | flip^ | on screen or d-pad |
| 13:47.53 | pupnik | i want the turn/look to be like a web-page drag, with some intertia - with stylus |
| 13:48.08 | pupnik | dpad would be wsad strafe/fwd/back |
| 13:48.33 | Tak | yeah, that's what I'd want |
| 13:48.46 | pupnik | he was clever too - made the hardware keys modal - switch between several modes using menu key |
| 13:49.02 | Tak | nice |
| 13:49.43 | pupnik | i think the old quake for nokia was quake2, right? |
| 13:50.14 | Tak | q1 makes more sense; more realistic with the hardware constraints |
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| 13:51.44 | oelewapperke | any news on snes emu ? |
| 13:52.15 | pupnik | <whistle> |
| 13:53.20 | Tak | heh |
| 13:53.21 | oelewapperke | whistle ? |
| 13:53.56 | pupnik | nah |
| 13:54.52 | pupnik | tak, did you ever make a sdl onscreen keyboard? |
| 13:55.03 | Tak | nein |
| 13:55.04 | pupnik | i'd like to make something simple that has configurable button locations |
| 13:55.15 | pupnik | mokay |
| 13:55.24 | Tak | I'm one of those in the "I don't think that's a good idea" camp |
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| 13:56.11 | oelewapperke | where can I find FCE ultra nes emu ? |
| 13:56.19 | Tak | hmm, how do I want to export a cert for import into 770? (der x.509, b64 x.509, pkcs7) |
| 13:56.21 | Tak | or does it matter? |
| 13:56.31 | Tak | oelewapperke: http://garage.maemo.org/projects/xmame |
| 13:57.40 | Tak | oelewapperke: or http://downloads.maemo.org/product/fceu |
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| 14:43.31 | ttuttle | Hey. |
| 14:43.38 | ttuttle | I just woke up to a 770 with ugly vertical stripes on the screen. |
| 14:43.54 | ttuttle | Nokia says I can just mail it to them and, as long as there's no physical or water damage, they'll fix it and mail it back. |
| 14:44.04 | ttuttle | But they don't ask for an RMA, and they said I can mail it in just a padded envelope. |
| 14:44.09 | ttuttle | That sounds like a recipe for disaster. |
| 14:44.40 | ttuttle | (Anyone here?) |
| 14:45.06 | pupnik | yes |
| 14:45.32 | ttuttle | Thoughts? |
| 14:46.00 | pupnik | search the forums for return and rma - what country are you in? |
| 14:46.09 | ttuttle | US |
| 14:46.53 | pupnik | mine had that for a whiel |
| 14:46.59 | pupnik | but then i cried and it got better |
| 14:47.11 | ttuttle | Better? |
| 14:47.13 | ttuttle | Hmm. |
| 14:47.19 | ttuttle | Do they still have 770 repair parts? |
| 14:48.06 | pupnik | i dno |
| 14:48.54 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe, I would hope so. |
| 14:51.43 | Jaffa | ttuttle: sounds like the classic 770 "WSOD" |
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| 14:52.34 | ttuttle | Jaffa: It's not the WSOD, it's stripey. |
| 14:52.41 | ttuttle | I called PALCO, they say they do repair 770's. |
| 14:53.11 | ttuttle | lol |
| 14:53.55 | alterego | Building all these packages for all the different architectures is getting tedious. |
| 14:55.31 | ttuttle | Anyone sent a 770 in for repair in the US? How did it go? |
| 14:55.43 | alterego | If there's one thing I know. When Chinook gets released. Ruby Maemo will be ready :) |
| 14:58.58 | ttuttle | Does Nokia usually repair screens without complaint, assuming they're not cracked? |
| 15:00.10 | alterego | It sounds like the screen is still working. |
| 15:00.21 | alterego | Have you tried flashing the device? |
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| 15:01.55 | ttuttle | alterego: Well, it's working, but there are vertical stripes that shouldn't be there. |
| 15:02.03 | ttuttle | alterego: No, it's most definitely a hardware problem. |
| 15:02.33 | alterego | Is that a no you've not tried reflashing it? |
| 15:02.37 | ttuttle | Oh, should I flash back to a supported version before I mail it in? |
| 15:02.41 | ttuttle | I have not tried reflashing it. |
| 15:02.47 | alterego | You should try |
| 15:02.50 | ttuttle | Okay. |
| 15:03.01 | Jaffa | ttuttle: like http://farm1.static.flickr.com/149/362764796_7772900717.jpg ? |
| 15:03.30 | ttuttle | Loading image over slow wireless, please wait... |
| 15:03.33 | alterego | At least, it's worth a try. It'd be a bit silly to send it off without at least trying all you can do yourself ;) |
| 15:03.53 | ttuttle | Jaffa: Sorta, except it's dependent on the image displayed. If the image is all white, there's no stripes. |
| 15:04.13 | ttuttle | Jaffa: There is still text underneath the smudgy lines. |
| 15:04.45 | ttuttle | ok. i'll try flashing... |
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| 15:05.55 | pupnik | also remove battery for a while and then put back in |
| 15:06.01 | pupnik | hi red-zack |
| 15:06.01 | _Monkey | hi red-zack are you an old kanotix/sidux user? |
| 15:06.05 | alterego | Yes, that's a good idea too. |
| 15:06.07 | pupnik | hahahaha |
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| 15:18.54 | zoran | I have a question regarding setting bash as a default shell during sturt up; 770 and os 2006 |
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| 15:20.53 | pupnik | mm |
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| 15:24.23 | zoran | at leas there is a file names osso-xterm.desktop |
| 15:24.27 | zoran | *least |
| 15:25.42 | b0unc3 | zoran: http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/maddraves/2007/02/11/osso_xterm_and_bash |
| 15:26.34 | zoran | hm, I just typed chsh and got a respornd |
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| 15:28.38 | alterego | Magick |
| 15:28.43 | zoran | ah, I read this link, thank you; doesn't work |
| 15:29.06 | zoran | I have installed bash as /usr/bin/bash |
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| 15:29.14 | alterego | Hmm .. |
| 15:29.19 | alterego | Anyone here using Chinook? |
| 15:29.23 | zoran | probably have to change shells to have it in one line |
| 15:29.31 | alterego | I can't find /etc/others-menu has that location changed? |
| 15:31.03 | alterego | Ah .. |
| 15:31.34 | alterego | :( |
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| 15:37.30 | zoran | uh! |
| 15:37.47 | zoran | I cannot boot it with changed shell |
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| 15:40.22 | zoran | somebody knows the place where to find 2006- 39? |
| 15:42.10 | alterego | Grrr |
| 15:42.58 | zoran | k, I have freebsd and something called flasher-2.0 |
| 15:43.03 | zoran | and 770 |
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| 15:47.01 | zoran | somebody could help me to reflash the device? |
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| 15:50.49 | zoran | hm, where I could find the number for my device; it should have 12 numbers |
| 15:51.37 | Tak | Control Panel -> Device |
| 15:51.42 | Tak | or in the battery compartment |
| 15:51.52 | alterego | Or on the box |
| 15:52.05 | alterego | The instructions are right in front of you .. |
| 15:52.34 | Blacksito | r3e |
| 15:52.49 | zoran | uh, I have to turn cookies on |
| 15:53.43 | zoran | k, passed with cookies on |
| 15:54.00 | alterego | This is weird. I can't connect to my N800 anymore :/ |
| 15:54.08 | zoran | the lattest is 3-49 |
| 15:54.19 | alterego | sshd is running :/ |
| 15:55.00 | zoran | alterego, do you see it via ping of nmap? |
| 15:55.11 | alterego | No |
| 15:55.22 | zoran | maybe ap is down? |
| 15:55.30 | alterego | No |
| 15:56.42 | alterego | Oh dear .. The whole device seems to be going funny :/ |
| 15:56.54 | zoran | it shoud be connected to wifi ap and seen by nmap 192.168.1.0/24 |
| 15:57.16 | alterego | Yes zoran, I'm well aware of what it should be doing thank you. |
| 16:02.53 | zoran | k, folks, have bin file of 2006-49; I need flashing docs, probably |
| 16:03.07 | zoran | flasher should be 2.0 or 3.0? |
| 16:05.09 | b0unc3 | zoran: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithlinux/ |
| 16:05.18 | zoran | k |
| 16:05.45 | zoran | b0unc3, what it is called, 2006.49? |
| 16:05.51 | zoran | gregale? |
| 16:05.51 | _Monkey | hmmm... gregale is something else entirely |
| 16:06.00 | zoran | dunno, really |
| 16:06.09 | zoran | not bora |
| 16:06.22 | zoran | scirocco is 39 |
| 16:06.45 | b0unc3 | gregale and similiar is the code for the sdk... not for the firmware image.. |
| 16:06.55 | b0unc3 | are* |
| 16:07.16 | zoran | I need it for flasher; 2.0 or 3.0 ? |
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| 16:07.24 | zoran | and apps, of course |
| 16:07.40 | zoran | 3.0 could be bora, but n800, I think |
| 16:07.48 | b0unc3 | yes |
| 16:07.55 | b0unc3 | use flasher-2.0 for the ITOS06 |
| 16:08.00 | zoran | this surprised me, almost heartattack |
| 16:08.08 | zoran | k |
| 16:08.11 | zoran | I have it |
| 16:08.25 | zoran | would it work on freebsd? |
| 16:08.33 | b0unc3 | maybe... |
| 16:08.34 | _Monkey | somebody said maybe was a good idea |
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| 16:09.54 | zoran | hm, the link goes to 404 |
| 16:10.03 | alterego | Try google .. |
| 16:10.18 | zoran | found, my mistake |
| 16:11.05 | zoran | k, should I turn 770 on before typing command? |
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| 16:14.33 | zoran | k, flasher should be 755 |
| 16:14.41 | zoran | what about bin file? |
| 16:15.05 | alterego | It's almost like there's a firewall running on the N800 :/ |
| 16:15.42 | zoran | alterego, there is iptables, but for another purpose |
| 16:16.00 | alterego | iptables isn't installed zoran. |
| 16:16.09 | alterego | And I know what it does., |
| 16:17.09 | zoran | k, :) |
| 16:17.38 | zoran | have to try with linux emulation |
| 16:17.40 | zoran | bbl |
| 16:17.52 | alterego | That's interesting .. |
| 16:18.15 | alterego | Silly me .. |
| 16:18.56 | alterego | I was logged into a remote network .. Obviously I wasn't able to login to a machine on my LAN O_O |
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| 16:31.33 | alterego | Confusion |
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| 16:32.43 | pupnik | hey unique311 |
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| 16:32.55 | unique311 | yo |
| 16:33.08 | unique311 | pupnik taking a look at xbmc... |
| 16:33.10 | pupnik | pingus and bos wars are still untested on n800 |
| 16:33.21 | r- | lol internet. |
| 16:33.25 | pupnik | xbox media center? |
| 16:33.28 | unique311 | yes |
| 16:33.37 | unique311 | i was playing around with it on my xbox |
| 16:33.46 | unique311 | and notice lots of the scripts are in python... |
| 16:33.57 | unique311 | very usefull scripts too. |
| 16:34.10 | unique311 | xbmcscripts.com i think |
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| 16:34.45 | unique311 | xbmc for linux is also available.... http://xbmc.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/*checkout*/xbmc/branches/linuxport/XBMC/README.linux |
| 16:35.00 | unique311 | theirs a gl version and a sdl |
| 16:36.14 | unique311 | not too sure about the size...seems big, very. |
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| 17:01.00 | satd | Hello |
| 17:01.00 | _Monkey | privet, satd |
| 17:02.28 | pupnik | hmm broken a21p thinkpad up for auction... maybe i could fix mine with it |
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| 17:03.57 | satd | need help with N770 |
| 17:04.01 | satd | any pros in here? |
| 17:04.19 | alterego | Just ask your question satd |
| 17:04.29 | satd | trying to install taskmanager |
| 17:04.31 | pupnik | i only charge 2 euro per answer |
| 17:04.35 | alterego | :) |
| 17:04.40 | dorto | lol |
| 17:05.12 | satd | ha |
| 17:05.23 | satd | unable to install |
| 17:05.47 | satd | require package python2.4-gtk2 and pthon2.4-hildon |
| 17:06.02 | alterego | Then install those packages first. |
| 17:06.03 | satd | i installed python 2.5 |
| 17:06.13 | satd | where do i get those packages.. |
| 17:06.17 | alterego | google |
| 17:06.17 | _Monkey | it has been said that google is my friend and you should make it \ friend too |
| 17:06.19 | alterego | google has all. |
| 17:06.25 | pupnik | repositories? |
| 17:06.26 | _Monkey | repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php |
| 17:06.39 | alterego | Alternatively, you could possible force the install and see if the package works with the latest release. |
| 17:08.13 | alterego | Or .. |
| 17:08.22 | alterego | You could give up, start crying and become an alcoholic. |
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| 17:09.05 | RobAtWork | alterego++ |
| 17:09.12 | RobAtWork | :) |
| 17:09.18 | alterego | :) |
| 17:09.55 | satd | haha |
| 17:10.16 | alterego | Hmm .. I really need to figure out how to just run the last phases of dpkg-buildpackage .. |
| 17:10.20 | pupnik | satd: if you have root access you can apt-get install those packages |
| 17:10.24 | alterego | Compiling the packages from scratch again gets annoying,. |
| 17:10.39 | pupnik | see the gronmayer link above to check the repository they are in |
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| 17:14.33 | satd | what is root access? |
| 17:14.42 | satd | openssh? |
| 17:14.43 | _Monkey | hmmm... openssh is to big for embbeded devince (just sbz's opinion) and dropbear is done for that, so ... |
| 17:15.10 | alterego | _Monkey, bullshit :P |
| 17:15.10 | _Monkey | alterego: what? |
| 17:15.17 | alterego | You heard. |
| 17:16.04 | alterego | Hmm .. Now to back port my new maemo4 hildon bindings to work on N800 and N770 |
| 17:16.36 | alterego | But first .. |
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| 17:21.56 | pupnik | satd |
| 17:22.02 | pupnik | becomeroot? |
| 17:22.02 | _Monkey | becomeroot is a quick howto to become root here http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_BecomeRoot and more information is here http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowDoiBecomeRoot |
| 17:24.16 | satd | thanks |
| 17:24.22 | satd | i done that already.... |
| 17:24.30 | satd | didn't know it was root access |
| 17:24.45 | satd | just took it as red pill blue pill |
| 17:25.32 | t_s_o | hmm, i keep wondering what kind of expectations people have from a portable device |
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| 17:51.25 | sp3000 | hrm, the url field doesn't really work that way :\ |
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| 18:19.34 | zoran | hm, what maemo repository could I use for 3.2006.49-2 ? |
| 18:19.43 | zoran | scirocco or gregale ? |
| 18:20.20 | pupnik | i have gregale and mistral |
| 18:20.37 | zoran | I bricked 39 version |
| 18:20.56 | zoran | in this moment I found I forgot all I did previously |
| 18:21.07 | zoran | even names of the os |
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| 18:26.29 | pupnik | for dosbox games you can add this repository and apt-get install original dos games onto the tablet |
| 18:26.34 | pupnik | http://dosboxed-games.sandbox.cz/tracker/browser |
| 18:27.14 | pupnik | or maybe dpkg -i ... if the sections are messed up |
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| 18:44.40 | erstazi | just thought I would join as well |
| 18:44.45 | erstazi | Maemo-maddness |
| 18:44.54 | erstazi | s/maddness/madness/ |
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| 18:58.21 | pupnik | busybox vi suxks |
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| 19:42.27 | sp3000 | o_O |
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| 20:00.43 | pupnik | Video: Quake 1 on the N800 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3An-Yvejww |
| 20:03.18 | pupnik | actually quake 2 is about as fast |
| 20:05.40 | [31d1] | pupnik: http://code.cutup.org/770/nvi |
| 20:06.55 | pupnik | what dis? |
| 20:07.24 | pupnik | better vi? |
| 20:07.46 | [31d1] | yeah |
| 20:07.50 | [31d1] | bsd nvi |
| 20:08.19 | [31d1] | way better than busybox vi and not all big and sloppy and halfported like vim |
| 20:08.20 | flip^ | quake *and* quake 2 on n800? |
| 20:08.46 | pupnik | awesome [31d1]! way smaller than vim thanks! |
| 20:08.49 | [31d1] | i don't know how to make .debs though |
| 20:09.02 | pupnik | bah... who needs em |
| 20:09.06 | t_s_o | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2981287645.html <- well that was "unexpected" |
| 20:09.07 | zuh | flip^: It's not like you'd actually want to play those on it though... ;) |
| 20:09.19 | flip^ | no? |
| 20:09.28 | [31d1] | i just put in ~/bin as vi and ln ~/bin/vi ~/bin/view |
| 20:09.32 | pupnik | yeah |
| 20:10.12 | pupnik | with some ui work they could be good - need to have intertial stylus-push view rotation |
| 20:10.21 | zuh | flip^: Terrible controls for a FPS. Try the Doom port and you'll see |
| 20:10.21 | [31d1] | only unexpected behavior that nvi has, is that is does have infinite undo, but not by pressing 'u' repeatedly |
| 20:10.39 | [31d1] | you press 'u' once and then '.' |
| 20:10.49 | [31d1] | to repeat undo |
| 20:10.51 | pupnik | ok |
| 20:11.08 | zuh | pupnik: You'd still want a decent pad for movement IMO, aiming would be nice with stylus though |
| 20:11.53 | pupnik | aiming will be fixed |
| 20:12.38 | flip^ | who's doing the porting? |
| 20:13.00 | pupnik | 'pipeline' |
| 20:14.13 | pupnik | you made my day [31d1] i hated installing that 8 MB vim package |
| 20:14.43 | [31d1] | heh, thx - i'm with you on that |
| 20:16.19 | [31d1] | i never use all the fancy stuff in vim anyway - i guess it's possible to compile a tiny-vim, but nvi is much crispier imo. |
| 20:18.39 | pupnik | you can make it smaller by running the 'strip' command 433461 -> 378412 bytes |
| 20:20.31 | [31d1] | on nvi? |
| 20:21.09 | [31d1] | strip - Discard symbols from object files. |
| 20:21.16 | [31d1] | don't you need symbols? |
| 20:23.11 | pupnik | to debug |
| 20:24.49 | [31d1] | oh |
| 20:26.22 | [31d1] | far out |
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| 20:43.14 | Blacksitox | re |
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| 22:41.21 | disq | zerojay: there? got some info about jvms in 3650/7650 for you |
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| 23:16.04 | zerojay | disq: I am. |
| 23:16.27 | disq | he said they were using an image pool for image objects.. because.. let me open the log |
| 23:16.37 | zerojay | disq: The problem on those phones is that they leak memory each time you use GetResourceAsStream. |
| 23:16.41 | disq | who's he you'll say, my friend |
| 23:16.52 | t_s_o | interesting, my 770 have started to spontaniusly reboot and lock in a early reboot cycle until i pull the battery... |
| 23:17.18 | disq | apparently it loads the image object's data in OS's heap so when you destroy the object the memory can't be reused |
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| 23:19.13 | zerojay | Thanks anyways... we long ago decided we won't support those two because of the bug. |
| 23:19.24 | zerojay | Still interesting to get an answer on that. Thanks. |
| 23:21.20 | disq | the 3650 was very popular here in turkey so i guess they did some more investigation :) |
| 23:22.00 | zerojay | Oh, you poor bastards. |
| 23:22.01 | zerojay | lol |
| 23:22.16 | disq | i decided to get the 6120 classic btw |
| 23:22.33 | zerojay | I think we got one of those in a week or two ago. |
| 23:22.38 | disq | the 6300 is good and looks nicer, and it's a few mms thinner and s40, but the 6120 has hsdpa and a camera flash and qvga video resolution |
| 23:23.59 | zerojay | Yeah, it looks like a solid phone. |
| 23:24.18 | disq | he also assured me symbian is not like what it used to be, that it works fast and fine now, etc |
| 23:24.35 | disq | i had crazy problems with the 6600, like alarms not going off and such |
| 23:25.26 | disq | in fact they say the 6120/6121 are the smallest s60 phones you can get |
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| 23:28.46 | zerojay | My wife has a 6101... she was excited about being able to play our games on it... until our publisher decided that we won't be putting our games out on t-mobile in the US. ("Too small," they said.) |
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| 23:30.46 | disq | uh |
| 23:34.20 | zerojay | shitty little phone. lol |
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