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| 05:03.17 | pupnik | Found a linux/SDL M.U.L.E. (strategy game) clone for linux/SDL http://www.heroicproportions.org/downloads.html |
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| 05:25.24 | pupnik | heh mule compiled |
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| 07:16.16 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 11:10.22 | lardman | morning all |
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| 11:25.04 | mbuf | lardman, good afternoon |
| 11:27.40 | lardman | hi mbuf |
| 11:28.10 | mbuf | lardman, hi |
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| 12:02.40 | grndlvl | wow pretty large group here, just got my N800 yesterday having alot of fun loving the Open System |
| 12:04.27 | lardman | lots of people logged on, but mostly idling |
| 12:04.59 | lardman | glad to hear you're enjoying it |
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| 12:05.44 | alterego | :) |
| 12:05.59 | alterego | Some people are more idle than others :)# |
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| 12:09.54 | grndlvl | ya, I used it too much yesterday and the battery is dead now, away from the house without the charger so that sucks |
| 12:10.24 | grndlvl | going to go pick up some bigger SDmini cards today |
| 12:12.24 | grndlvl | not been in the mobile sceen that much whats the largest SDcard out there? |
| 12:12.41 | alterego | 8Gb |
| 12:13.12 | grndlvl | schweet |
| 12:13.28 | alterego | Not sure if they do mini SD that size. |
| 12:13.38 | alterego | But certainly standard SD cards |
| 12:13.46 | grndlvl | ohh yea |
| 12:14.39 | grndlvl | the one thing that i find strange is that, why in the world does the N800 come with a SD mini and an adapter, will nothing else fit it.. |
| 12:15.20 | gla55_ | just use normal sd's? |
| 12:15.29 | gla55_ | they probably got sd minis and adapters for cheap |
| 12:15.38 | gla55_ | or had them on stock for some other model |
| 12:16.11 | grndlvl | so a regular sd does fit the N800? |
| 12:16.20 | alterego | Yeah, their newer phones use MiniSD |
| 12:16.27 | alterego | Obviously. |
| 12:16.42 | alterego | Those are SD/MMC slots, not MiniSD slots :P |
| 12:17.43 | grndlvl | well yea but hey you never know yo, like i said as far as the mobile scene is i am behind, a guy at work walked in with one of these the other day and I was like whoa thats awesome |
| 12:18.10 | alterego | Yeah, they are pretty awesome. |
| 12:18.30 | alterego | Developing apps for it is pretty easy too now, with Python and Ruby. |
| 12:19.08 | grndlvl | yea... i noticed it a GTK interface |
| 12:19.16 | gla55_ | alterego: some use mini, some use micro. can't standardize even on that... |
| 12:19.28 | alterego | The old ones use MicroMMC |
| 12:19.35 | alterego | All the new phones will be MiniSD. |
| 12:19.53 | alterego | Plainly because SD is MMC's successor. It's just taken a while for people to adapt. |
| 12:20.02 | alterego | s/adapt/adopt :) |
| 12:20.46 | gla55_ | alterego: not all new ones use minisd, quite many of them use micro |
| 12:21.04 | gla55_ | e61 is one of the few that use mini |
| 12:21.19 | alterego | Which is unusual, because the E61 isn't that new :P |
| 12:21.27 | alterego | When I say new, I mean N95 onwards. |
| 12:21.49 | gla55_ | n95 is microsd |
| 12:22.04 | gla55_ | n81 is microsd |
| 12:22.15 | alterego | I thought you were talking about MMC. |
| 12:22.22 | gla55_ | ah |
| 12:22.28 | alterego | My whole argument was how SD cards are taking over from MMC :P |
| 12:22.55 | gla55_ | ah, my was how nokia didn't standardize straight to one sd |
| 12:23.01 | alterego | Whether they're micro, mini or standard it doesn't really matter :P |
| 12:23.07 | gla55_ | all s60 3rd ed fp1 devices seem to be micro though |
| 12:23.17 | alterego | Yeah |
| 12:23.26 | gla55_ | it matters when you got a mini and can't fit it in :) |
| 12:23.27 | alterego | Micro look _tiny_ though .. |
| 12:27.35 | gla55_ | yeah pretty small |
| 12:27.46 | gla55_ | nail size |
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| 12:46.04 | alterego | There was me, wondering why osso wouldn't initialize. And I've not even started the desktop ^_^ |
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| 13:09.20 | Blacksito | how reinstall osso-application-installer ? |
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| 13:10.45 | alterego | How is it broken? |
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| 13:40.52 | Blacksito | alterego, http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1261/1457619883_50c4319220.jpg :( |
| 13:40.58 | Blacksito | not run :\ |
| 13:41.07 | Blacksito | what problem ? |
| 13:41.08 | _Monkey | i heard problem was that we need a better bot. Not just a monkey.... |
| 13:42.03 | Blacksito | I use : apt-get install --reinstall osso-application-install problem continue |
| 13:42.57 | alterego | Why did it break? |
| 13:43.14 | alterego | Have you tried restarting the device? |
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| 13:58.57 | sus | I want kagu media player (a python/pygame app) automatically launching on startup without the need of nothing else, apart the possibility to switch off the 770. What should I do? I'm not a linux expert, but I can manage to edit sh files in root mode and stuff like that, so please some suggestions... |
| 14:01.10 | sus | perhaps should I add a line at the end of /etc/osso-af-init/real-af-startup? |
| 14:01.59 | zuh | sus: I guess one easy way would be just replacing maemo-af-desktop binary name with yours in the m-a-d script |
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| 14:02.30 | zuh | That way the desktop doesn't get in the way at all |
| 14:02.45 | sus | so I won't be able to switch off? |
| 14:03.19 | zuh | The shutdown dialog will pop up regardless of the desktop |
| 14:03.37 | sus | so you're saying I could try replacing.... |
| 14:03.38 | zuh | But of course replacing the desktop is pretty invasive |
| 14:03.47 | sus | the call to maemo-af-desktop |
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| 14:04.11 | sus | with: python kagu.py |
| 14:04.24 | sus | (of course with all the paths)? |
| 14:04.41 | alterego | Why would you do that?!?!! |
| 14:04.43 | alterego | :) |
| 14:04.47 | sus | :) |
| 14:04.58 | sus | I know, that's just for a one-day thing... |
| 14:05.00 | alterego | What's wrong with the maemo desktop? :) |
| 14:05.12 | sus | then I want to be able to restore all ! |
| 14:05.21 | alterego | So you can show off to your friends. Look, this is my Nokia N800 python kagu media player :P |
| 14:05.29 | zuh | sus: ok, then it's better to just add it to the end of some startup script |
| 14:05.31 | alterego | sus, keep sshd running :) |
| 14:05.53 | zuh | alterego: What's not wrong with the desktop..?-) |
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| 14:05.58 | sus | so to what startup script should I add the call? |
| 14:06.08 | sus | (or a safe back to normal) |
| 14:06.13 | sus | (for a safe back to normal) |
| 14:06.22 | alterego | I'd do what zuh said, as long as you've got sshd installed you can ssh in and edit it. |
| 14:06.30 | alterego | (provided the network is setup correctly on the device) |
| 14:06.40 | zuh | Blacksito: You might be hitting this: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-April/009840.html |
| 14:06.41 | sus | oh, well, I have it already installed and working |
| 14:08.14 | sus | I'm not so linux comfortable, I should go into etc/init.d right? or where? |
| 14:09.22 | zuh | real-af-startup should be just fine I think |
| 14:09.58 | sus | So you think I'll continue to have ssh access after rebooting with that file modified? |
| 14:10.35 | sus | if so, I'm going to try. I'll be here crying after if something goes wrong ! :) |
| 14:12.38 | Blacksito | thanks zuh |
| 14:12.51 | Blacksito | whats the problem ? |
| 14:12.52 | _Monkey | the problem is that we need a better bot. Not just a monkey.... |
| 14:14.05 | zuh | Blacksito: the actual problem is this: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-April/009871.html |
| 14:15.55 | zuh | I don't remember why I was seeing that back then, but the basic problem is that sudo is not working |
| 14:18.46 | Blacksito | yes |
| 14:19.53 | Blacksito | sudo unable to lookup <mihost> via gethosbyname() <-- zuh |
| 14:20.14 | Blacksito | nokia n800 # sudo su - |
| 14:21.57 | sus | I'm reading the real-af-startup script and I'm a little scared... can't figure out how I can say "please after you've set all that you need, load python /path/to/kagu.py". There are so much if...fi I don't know where to write and how. |
| 14:23.43 | bmidgley | when I plug into usb, my n800 always says the internal card is in use |
| 14:23.58 | bmidgley | no apps are up |
| 14:24.08 | bmidgley | how do i figure out what is pinning down the card? |
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| 14:39.13 | dragorn | bmidgley: lsof if you have it |
| 14:39.29 | dragorn | bmidgley: otherwise, reboot |
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| 14:41.49 | jani | afaik, when you plug the usb cable, the mmc is shared automatically as external disk and thus its "used" |
| 14:44.54 | dragorn | except if it's already in use by an app, it has to be unmounted by the os on the 800 to be exported |
| 14:45.00 | dragorn | which I suspect is the problem he's having |
| 14:45.19 | dragorn | though you may be right and i'm reading it inverted |
| 14:46.15 | dragorn | bmidgley: So yes - if the problem is, you can't access the card from a pc because it's busy, listen to me. If the problem is you can't use the card on the n800 while it's plugged into a pc, listen to jani |
| 14:56.37 | bmidgley | yeah the card wouldn't "export" to the pc |
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| 14:57.02 | bmidgley | I tried again just now and it worked... maybe maemo mapper was still shutting down |
| 14:57.07 | bmidgley | when I tried the first time |
| 14:59.44 | r- | anyone seen a group of themes that actually work with the new os2007 ? |
| 15:01.52 | pupnik | themes? |
| 15:01.52 | _Monkey | themes is http://downloads.maemo.org/other/ for recent Bora themes, http://thememaker.garage.maemo.org/About%20Theme%20Maker.html for the 'Theme Maker' applet, https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/hildon-theme-tools/README for tools http://icct.blogspot.com/2006/04/maemo-themes-are-here.html |
| 15:01.59 | rwhitby | r-: plankton |
| 15:01.59 | _Monkey | plankton is a good theme eh? |
| 15:08.23 | xeos | Hi folks, |
| 15:09.38 | xeos | I have a deb package which I can install by `dpkg -i' but not by application manager. Can anyone tell me why it could be? |
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| 15:18.10 | pupnik | xeos: the 'section' may be incorrect - apps need to be user/foo and not just foo |
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| 15:21.08 | pupnik | xeos: you can see the info with dpkg -I <package> |
| 15:21.57 | pupnik | blah i have to fix up some packages |
| 15:23.37 | pupnik | no rest for the wicket |
| 15:23.55 | r- | i keep getting install file corrupted when i try to install a theme |
| 15:28.30 | pupnik | Sconstruct is simpler than automake/autoconf |
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| 15:52.42 | xeos | pupnik: It could be, is there any form of change section without rebuild the package? |
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| 15:53.30 | pupnik | i can try to find out. dpkg -X unpacks it - maybe there's a command to re-pack it |
| 15:55.14 | alterego | Not from an unpacked package. |
| 15:55.21 | alterego | As it doesn't have the "DEBIAN" directory. |
| 15:55.51 | alterego | You could make a dummy package directory. |
| 15:56.01 | pupnik | alterego: do you know the policy for maemo 'sections'? |
| 15:56.09 | alterego | user/* |
| 15:56.16 | xeos | dpkg -e | --control filename [directory] Extract control-information from a package. |
| 15:56.35 | xeos | only extract.. |
| 15:56.44 | pupnik | aha -e works - created DEBIAN |
| 15:56.45 | alterego | xeos, exactly, so make your own rules file which rebuilds the package from the extracted contents. |
| 15:57.49 | alterego | All you'll beed to do is something like: cp -R $(CURDIR)/package-contents $(CURDIR)/debian/package-name |
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| 15:57.58 | alterego | Put that in the install section and you're done :) |
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| 15:59.27 | xeos | okay, I will try it |
| 15:59.44 | pupnik | i am seeing a ton of libraries with Section: libs |
| 15:59.55 | pupnik | but a few libraries with Section: user/libs |
| 16:00.02 | alterego | They can only be installed with dpkg -i |
| 16:00.20 | alterego | I'm pretty certain that you have to have the user/ prefix for it to work in the application installer. |
| 16:00.26 | alterego | I think that's the only real caveat. |
| 16:00.31 | pupnik | osso-applet-sound_1.3.5-3_armel.deb Section: libs |
| 16:00.44 | pupnik | osso-backup_1.2.5-1_armel.deb Section: misc |
| 16:00.46 | alterego | Ah, they are core packages though. |
| 16:00.52 | pupnik | ok |
| 16:01.02 | alterego | That's for _maemo_ not for users. |
| 16:01.09 | pupnik | gotcha |
| 16:03.24 | alterego | The dbus extension that's already written is kind of broken. |
| 16:03.35 | alterego | Rather than fix it I thought it would be better to write a new one using dbus-glib. |
| 16:03.38 | alterego | :) |
| 16:09.43 | grndlvl | what do i need to do to be able to transfer files between the N800 and my mac? |
| 16:10.53 | grndlvl | nvrm |
| 16:16.01 | grndlvl | ok i take that back i do need to know how |
| 16:16.50 | Sulis | grndlvl, well you can plug your n800 into your mac and it should mount the two sd cards automatically |
| 16:16.58 | Sulis | you should see them on your desktop |
| 16:17.13 | grndlvl | yea normallly but did not seem to happen |
| 16:17.34 | grndlvl | let me just try to d/c and r/c |
| 16:19.34 | grndlvl | that seemed to work |
| 16:19.43 | Sulis | good |
| 16:21.32 | grndlvl | thanks |
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| 16:26.17 | robtro | hmmmm |
| 16:26.34 | r- | neat. |
| 16:28.08 | alterego | sshfs ftw! |
| 16:28.11 | alterego | :) |
| 16:28.39 | grndlvl | that would have worked as well |
| 16:28.50 | robtro | lol internet |
| 16:28.55 | alterego | It's my prefered method. |
| 16:29.05 | alterego | I only use the cable for flashing and when I'm not at my machine. |
| 16:29.11 | grndlvl | omfq this thing has apt-get on it |
| 16:29.12 | grndlvl | lmao |
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| 16:29.24 | alterego | Urm .. Obviously. |
| 16:29.28 | alterego | It's built on debian. |
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| 16:29.37 | grndlvl | yea i am seeing that |
| 16:30.46 | alterego | Hmm .. I think I'm going to have to skip the dbus-glib and just do a proper dbus binding for Ruby |
| 16:32.01 | alterego | Well, I'll do this anyway and see how it works out. |
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| 16:47.28 | pupnik | so far the only ruby app i saw was nice |
| 17:03.53 | r- | anyone here dealt with bluetooth DUN with a blackberry ? |
| 17:04.20 | r- | i've nailed the issue down to incorrect understnading of the blackberry's bluetooth profiles, but dont know which end the problem is on |
| 17:04.50 | r- | (does the n800 not understand the bb properly) or (does the bb not notify the n800 of the proper profiles, which do in fact exist on the bb) |
| 17:09.07 | pupnik | maybe a forum post would help |
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| 17:33.17 | xand | is it possible to change the layout of the 770's on-screen keyboard? specifically to make the number keypad the right way up |
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| 17:47.43 | alterego | It is the right way up |
| 17:47.54 | alterego | _real_ keyboards are the wrong way up :P |
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| 17:59.08 | Sulis | alterego, depends if you use a telephone or a computer more |
| 17:59.12 | grndlvl | trying to install libsqlite0, unable to find it in repo, any ideas? |
| 18:00.36 | alterego | Sulis, I guess so. |
| 18:00.45 | alterego | Or a calculator |
| 18:00.54 | alterego | Sulis, anyhow, yes you can change it. |
| 18:01.52 | pupnik | repositories? |
| 18:01.52 | _Monkey | repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php |
| 18:02.37 | Sulis | alterego, it was xand who wanted to know, not me |
| 18:03.10 | alterego | Oh, right :) |
| 18:03.26 | alterego | xand, you need to generate a vkb file and stick it in /usr/share/keyboards |
| 18:03.49 | alterego | That's all I know though ^_^ |
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| 18:19.32 | grndlvl | thanks for the repo lists |
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| 18:33.03 | pupnik | lua5.1 built... |
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| 18:35.42 | alterego | Any bindings? |
| 18:36.03 | pupnik | no - just compiled it for a game |
| 18:36.07 | alterego | Ah |
| 18:36.55 | pupnik | gcc -o boswars -L/usr/local/lib -L/usr/lib -lpng -lz -ldl -llua5.1 -llua5.1 -logg -lX11 -lSDL -lpthread -lSDL |
| 18:36.58 | pupnik | /scratchbox/compilers/cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm/lib/gcc/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/3.4.4/../../../../arm-none-linux-gnueabi/lib/crt1.o: In function `_start':init.c:(.text+0x30): undefined reference to `mai |
| 18:37.04 | pupnik | n' |
| 18:37.07 | pupnik | :/ |
| 18:37.14 | alterego | Erm |
| 18:37.29 | alterego | That doesn't sound good :) |
| 18:42.26 | pupnik | yeah same error on host with gcc 4.1.3 |
| 18:44.10 | pupnik | they forgot to compile or link main function |
| 18:44.13 | pupnik | wtf |
| 18:45.54 | alterego | Weird |
| 18:46.11 | alterego | Looking at that command. .. Where's the source file? |
| 18:58.29 | pupnik | they fixed it in next release |
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| 19:10.54 | pupnik | http://img206.imageshack.us/my.php?image=blenderonthenokia770bp8.png Blender running on Nokia 770 :D |
| 19:13.19 | jani | hehe |
| 19:14.42 | bedboi | lol |
| 19:14.52 | bedboi | this is something really useless |
| 19:15.14 | bedboi | well having accelerated 3d would be cool |
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| 19:17.36 | pupnik | with more ram, better cpu yes. with n800 - very limited IMO |
| 19:17.58 | pupnik | as soon as you say the word 'opengl' people assume apps will run that take many MB of textures |
| 19:25.48 | jani | well, its propably usefull for modelling but not for actual rendering =) |
| 19:26.38 | pupnik | yeah modeling worked fine on a cyrix 133mhz |
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| 20:33.15 | pupnik | bos wars compiles - just need lua and 2.4 source |
| 20:34.41 | pupnik | too heavy for the 770 though - anybody who wants to test/play on N800 /msg me |
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| 22:55.21 | zerojay | Anyone else have a problem with knot's player where it just tells you that there's NOTHING to watch? |
| 22:55.35 | zerojay | It all appears to be set up properly. |
| 22:55.43 | zerojay | I connect to the server and it just shows 0 for everything. |
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