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| 00:39.15 | pupnik | the #maemo log has scary-high rankings in google searches. When i look for answers to questions I have, i keep finding my posts here that ask the question. |
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| 01:23.05 | zerojay | solmumaha: Where's this beta transcoder that you mentioned on ITT? |
| 01:23.46 | pupnik | i think he sleepies |
| 01:24.00 | zerojay | Anyone else got it then? |
| 01:24.23 | zerojay | Having 3TB of video I can suddenly play on my N800 would be great. |
| 01:24.28 | pupnik | http://ugz.ath.cx:1414/knots/ |
| 01:24.50 | zerojay | Thanks. |
| 01:25.30 | pupnik | you'll need a non-crippled version of ffmpeg to do the transcoding |
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| 01:26.59 | pupnik | use 'ffmpeg -formats' and look for the "E" in the codecs section to see what codecs it supports |
| 01:27.41 | pupnik | i had to use wmv2 for the video and mp2 for the audio |
| 01:28.51 | pupnik | i absolutely love it. Been spending a lot of time on the couch with the n770 watching vids i'd forgotten I had |
| 01:29.14 | zerojay | wtf.. why does vlc depend on firefox? |
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| 01:29.40 | pupnik | i think because of the browser plugin |
| 01:30.11 | zerojay | Yeah, you're right. |
| 01:30.15 | zerojay | Viva la Gentoo. |
| 01:30.31 | pupnik | Gentoo? haha seeya tomorrow |
| 01:31.03 | zerojay | vlc take a long time to compile? |
| 01:31.29 | pupnik | yes, but i tried on a p3 950mhz so ymmv |
| 01:31.50 | zerojay | What's your idea of "long time" though? Might be different than mine... compiling all of KDE. ;P |
| 01:32.16 | pupnik | i don't know - a few hours, times 5 |
| 01:32.28 | pupnik | since things broke for me |
| 01:32.28 | zerojay | Damn. |
| 01:33.35 | pupnik | who knows though - maybe your gentoo sources won't compile-in so much cruft |
| 01:33.53 | pupnik | but 0.9.0 is required |
| 01:34.08 | zerojay | Well, I don't compile what I don't need or want. |
| 01:34.48 | pupnik | you'll probably be done in twenty minutes and make me feel stupid :) |
| 01:35.14 | zerojay | Nah. |
| 01:35.25 | zerojay | Portage only has 0.8.6c. |
| 01:35.28 | zerojay | Oh well. |
| 01:35.52 | zerojay | I'm not quite *that* interested. |
| 01:36.31 | pupnik | here's the latest afaict http://nightlies.videolan.org/build/source/trunk-20070927-0020/vlc-snapshot-20070927.tar.bz2 |
| 01:36.59 | zerojay | Yeah, I'm just not too interested in installing something I won't have an easy time removing later. |
| 01:37.06 | pupnik | right |
| 01:37.15 | zerojay | Which is why this install of Gentoo's almost four years old now. |
| 01:38.02 | zerojay | Worked well enough for you? |
| 01:41.48 | pupnik | i used 0.9.0 deb packages |
| 01:42.34 | pupnik | ran into a bunch of strange problems too, but solmumaha was right there to fix-up his client/server. |
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| 01:43.12 | bjv | how do you make a new file/new canvas in Horizon? |
| 01:43.21 | bjv | damn, battery just died :| |
| 01:43.52 | zerojay | Screw it, I'll try the nightly tarball. |
| 01:45.33 | zerojay | pupnik: I was going to ask what version of ffmpeg you've got when I checked mine. |
| 01:45.35 | zerojay | FFmpeg version SVN-rUNKNOWN |
| 01:46.06 | zerojay | Great help. ;) |
| 01:46.42 | zerojay | ffmpeg-0.4.9_p20070330 |
| 01:49.07 | zerojay | solmumaha: Your ruby-maemo link 404's. |
| 02:01.07 | pupnik | :/ |
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| 02:44.23 | sbz | hi, there is a flasher utiliy for freebsd os ? |
| 02:46.12 | pupnik | sbz - dunno but i think you can now flash from mmc |
| 02:46.22 | pupnik | check fanoush's post on ITT |
| 02:46.37 | unique311 | wow |
| 02:46.41 | unique311 | check this out.. |
| 02:46.42 | pupnik | maybe i am halluciremembering this |
| 02:46.44 | unique311 | http://videos.caught-on-video.com/video/5a49c731-9532-46f7-b4ec-99a000e47492.htm |
| 02:46.57 | sbz | okay, thanks pupnik |
| 02:47.14 | unique311 | the year 2007 and people don't know that the moon rotates around the earth |
| 02:47.23 | pupnik | eyah i saw that one unique311 :) |
| 02:47.47 | unique311 | wow |
| 02:47.54 | unique311 | the audience said the sun |
| 02:48.07 | unique311 | well the majority of the audience |
| 02:49.46 | pupnik | yeah assuming there wasn't a screwup in the controllers/software, or the whole vid isn't a prank |
| 02:50.55 | pupnik | he's got a cute wife |
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| 02:51.24 | pupnik | 'Sofie doesn't look happy' |
| 02:51.27 | unique311 | true |
| 02:51.28 | pupnik | 'why?' |
| 02:51.31 | pupnik | hah |
| 02:52.11 | unique311 | but come on, i think everyone learns this in elemetary if not pre-school |
| 02:52.18 | unique311 | kindergarden |
| 02:52.28 | unique311 | elementary is pre school....shit |
| 02:52.48 | unique311 | not sure how your school system is pupnik? |
| 02:53.28 | unique311 | kindergarten, elementary, junior high school, high school, college |
| 02:54.30 | unique311 | I really think i can ask my nephew who is in the 2nd grade that question, and he would answer it correctly. |
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| 02:59.26 | pupnik | i remember seeing it in a picture book about the planets |
| 02:59.36 | pupnik | that i used to have my mom read me |
| 03:00.22 | pupnik | It had this really trippy colorful path leading from the sun out to each of the planets, with a few words describing them |
| 03:00.44 | pupnik | wow i haven't thought about that book in decades |
| 03:01.11 | unique311 | memories |
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| 03:29.35 | |R | does anyone know if a bluetooth headset will be supported with the newly announced pure SIP client? :) |
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| 03:33.53 | bjv | im looking in the gconf editor for something to configure the file select dialog |
| 03:34.31 | bjv | getting warmer? |
| 03:35.00 | bjv | i would prefer for it to start in detail list mode, rather then thumbnail mode |
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| 03:38.47 | rene4jazz | hi all |
| 03:39.51 | rene4jazz | I' am having the following error: Note: For remote X connections DISPLAY should contain hostname! |
| 03:40.39 | rene4jazz | when I execute af-sb-init.sh |
| 03:41.06 | rene4jazz | any clue? |
| 03:50.18 | bjv | "HildonFileSelection uses HildonFileSystemModel as its data store. Multiple file selections can share a common data model. This reduces memory consumption and loading times. This approach is used in HildonFileChooserDialog." |
| 03:50.22 | bjv | http://maemo.org/api_refs/2.1/hildon-docs/fm-html/hildon-fm-HildonFileSelection.html |
| 03:53.52 | bjv | http://maemomm.garage.maemo.org/docs/reference/hildon-fmmm/html/classHildon_1_1FileSelection.html#a22 |
| 03:54.10 | bjv | " Swithces file selection between list and thumbnail modes. Note that this function works only after widget is shown because of Gtk::Notebook implementation. " |
| 03:55.30 | bjv | so the particular way HildonFileChooserDialog starts up is handled by the individual app that makes the call? |
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| 04:38.20 | rene4jazz | do I have to install Xephyr inside the scratchbox target to be able to start the maemo graphical environment? |
| 04:43.26 | `0660 | no |
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| 07:11.15 | eichi | with net gconf editor i chan change some osso variables...like what to start, if camera is out...called on-camera-out. Someone knows what to type to get the app "camera" start then? |
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| 07:22.53 | mbuf | chinook SDK can be used to test code on N800? |
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| 07:23.18 | jani | huomen |
| 07:23.41 | Dasaev | ta |
| 07:24.58 | Robot101 | mbuf: I thnk the 3.0 sdk is matched to the latest flash images on the N800 |
| 07:25.31 | mbuf | Robot101, i see |
| 07:28.04 | mbuf | Robot101, just checked the release notes, http://tabletsdev.maemo.org/unstable/chinook-beta/maemo-sdk-relnotes_4.0beta.txt |
| 07:28.31 | mbuf | Robot101, software built with this, will not work with ITOS on N800 or earleir |
| 07:28.33 | mbuf | *earlier |
| 07:33.38 | eichi | no one can help me? |
| 07:34.07 | mbuf | eichi, what is your question? |
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| 07:35.07 | eichi | with net gconf editor i chan change some osso variables...like what to start, if camera is out...called on-camera-out. Someone knows what to type to get the app "camera" start then? |
| 07:36.24 | mbuf | eichi, sorry, i can't help you on that; not worked with it, yet |
| 07:37.17 | eichi | damn ^^ :) |
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| 07:46.02 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 08:06.21 | dolske | ugh. http://tabletblog.com/2007/09/live-from-nokia-unlocked.html |
| 08:06.23 | dolske | I'm going to go out on a limb, and say drawing attention to the N800's miserable camera maybe isn't the best idea... :-) |
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| 08:08.07 | AD-N770 | good morning |
| 08:08.07 | jani | kinda crappy picture yes =) |
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| 08:26.41 | eichi | yeah, the n800 cam is a mess |
| 08:29.53 | Jaffa | solmumaha: ping (comment on ITT about a transcoding solution) |
| 08:30.35 | pupnik | maybe i know the answer Jaffa |
| 08:31.40 | pupnik | if my camera could focus on the 770 in movie mode, i'd upload a demo |
| 08:32.07 | pupnik | you start the app, it connects to the ruby server on pc |
| 08:32.48 | pupnik | client gets a list of video categories, you click on a category, client gets list of videos in the included dir (very fast* - i've had 600 videos update in 3 seconds or so) |
| 08:33.17 | pupnik | scroll down to your video. client starts mplayer, server starts vlc transcoding (via ffmpeg) |
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| 08:35.00 | Jaffa | Oh, so it's an online streaming thing. Cool, but not quite what I want. |
| 08:35.32 | Jaffa | I want a set of videos (either explicitly managed or put in a particular directory by PVR) to be automatically transcoded and the N800 to automatically connect each night and sync. |
| 08:36.14 | Jaffa | Still, your vlc/mplayer streaming solution will be cool in the house |
| 08:36.35 | pupnik | solmumaha made it. i just helped test |
| 08:37.04 | pupnik | does your PVR run mythtv? |
| 08:38.11 | pupnik | i play with mythtv setup every few months but never got it running |
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| 08:41.51 | Jaffa | It did, but I switched back to Freevo as I found the quality of the UI and audio output of MythMusic too poor |
| 08:42.09 | Jaffa | Freevo's much more hackable, since it's written in Python |
| 08:44.53 | pupnik | Is freevo something that would lend itself to control through the tv, via IR? |
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| 08:45.57 | jani | control thru tv ? |
| 08:46.29 | jani | you can control free with remote if your linuxbox has ir capability =) |
| 08:48.50 | Jaffa | There's also a remote control interface so, for example, the Freevo web server can control the UI on the TV |
| 08:49.06 | Jaffa | So an N800 interface would be perfectly doable to make an IP-based remote control |
| 08:50.04 | pupnik | yeah. i need to do IR tho |
| 08:50.14 | pupnik | the only device my users can operate is a TV remote |
| 08:51.26 | pupnik | i've run cat5 through the walls, 4 wires hold the svhs signal, two wires the audio and two wires for the IR signal |
| 08:51.34 | Jaffa | So, yeah, I control Freevo via a Streamzap USB IR receiver. Works wery well |
| 08:51.40 | pupnik | ok ty |
| 08:51.51 | Jaffa | Anything lirc supports, basically (including homebrew) |
| 08:52.40 | pupnik | nice. |
| 08:52.56 | pupnik | I tried a 2.4ghz video sender/receiver station but the picture quality stank |
| 08:53.15 | pupnik | svhs over 5 meters of cat5 worked surprisingly well |
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| 08:55.09 | pupnik | Dar Jamaihl? |
| 08:55.18 | pupnik | oh wrong channel |
| 08:55.28 | railk | anyone know where i can get libgcrypt11 and libgnutls11? (needed by pidgin) |
| 08:55.31 | Dar | pupnik: np ;) |
| 08:55.50 | pupnik | repositories? |
| 08:55.51 | _Monkey | i guess repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php |
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| 08:58.05 | railk | _Monkey, thanks, didn't notice you could search on that repo list page :P |
| 08:58.05 | _Monkey | pas de quoi railk |
| 08:58.05 | Big_B | good morning (~ugt) |
| 08:58.22 | railk | eh, bot? |
| 09:09.30 | sarower | hi all |
| 09:09.53 | sarower | I have a nokia N800 device.. |
| 09:10.16 | sarower | I want to build an application developed by us... |
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| 09:10.40 | sarower | in in gtkmm |
| 09:10.49 | sarower | but can not installl...... |
| 09:10.56 | sarower | it needs the packages,...... |
| 09:11.07 | solmumaha | Jaffa: what do you need to know? |
| 09:11.13 | sarower | hildonlibs-fmmm, etc |
| 09:11.26 | sarower | I have downloaded it |
| 09:11.41 | sarower | but when i want to install by the application manager |
| 09:11.51 | sarower | it shows that uncompaitable version |
| 09:11.58 | sarower | what could be done now? |
| 09:12.57 | sarower | solmumaha.. Can u please explain? |
| 09:13.10 | pupnik | install the compatible version :) |
| 09:13.15 | solmumaha | sarower: no |
| 09:13.31 | solmumaha | :) comment was made to Jaffa |
| 09:13.35 | sarower | but which is the compaitable version] |
| 09:13.42 | sarower | pupnik? |
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| 09:13.56 | pupnik | sarower: search repositories for 'bora' package |
| 09:13.59 | pupnik | repositories? |
| 09:14.00 | _Monkey | repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php |
| 09:14.33 | sarower | pupnik: I have alreadu downloaded the latest one! |
| 09:14.58 | pupnik | sarower: one minute |
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| 09:16.04 | pupnik | sarower run dpkg -I <package name> to see if it is compatible |
| 09:16.31 | Big_B | hi pupnik !!! |
| 09:16.41 | sarower | pupnik: How i can run in the device? |
| 09:16.42 | pupnik | greets Big_B |
| 09:16.51 | sarower | is there any comand prompt? |
| 09:17.48 | pupnik | yes, you can install xterm terminal and/or ssh (openssh or dropbear) to get this |
| 09:18.18 | pupnik | also for administration you should read up on |
| 09:18.21 | pupnik | becomeroot? |
| 09:18.21 | _Monkey | well, becomeroot is a quick howto to become root here http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_BecomeRoot and more information is here http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowDoiBecomeRoot |
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| 09:32.27 | sarower | pupnik: I dont have the internet connection! |
| 09:33.22 | sarower | if me again if try to install openssh or dropbear then will not it show again the problem? |
| 09:33.40 | sarower | is there any garantee? |
| 09:33.48 | sarower | then what could be done? |
| 09:34.13 | solmumaha | flip^: something you should disable |
| 09:34.38 | flip^ | looks like it drained my battery in the night and likes eating cpu again this morning |
| 09:34.59 | flip^ | solmumaha: can i just mv/rm the binary, or is there a 'safe' way to disable it? ;) |
| 09:35.19 | solmumaha | rm symlinks from /etc/rc?.d |
| 09:36.00 | flip^ | do you know what it actually does (i've no issue stopping it, but i'm curious if it's going to affect some function of the device unexpectedly) |
| 09:36.17 | solmumaha | think it searches for media files from your device |
| 09:36.53 | solmumaha | have you added a symlink to / under MyDocs perhaps? |
| 09:37.42 | flip^ | nah, not got anything cyclic like that... |
| 09:37.52 | solmumaha | k, that causes it to go in a loop |
| 09:38.31 | solmumaha | but it does that on it's own too, had to disable it few minutes back.. think it comes back to haunt you no matter what you do |
| 09:38.49 | flip^ | yeah, i might have a hunt around in case something odd is going on somewhere else... but i'm seeing lots of reports of it being a problem on forums |
| 09:39.11 | flip^ | of course, if xterm won't even load... |
| 09:40.03 | flip^ | excellent... 'switch off' fails too |
| 09:40.18 | flip^ | there we go |
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| 09:42.45 | flip^ | what i do have (when at home) is a dir that has a Tb of media mounted on it from another server (though i'm not at home atm)... i guess that could have upset it |
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| 09:54.18 | Big_B | hi lardman!!! |
| 09:54.19 | _Monkey | hi lardman are you here!! |
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| 10:00.22 | lardman | Hi Big_B |
| 10:04.12 | Big_B | Lardman : I want to install hildon-fmmm 0.1.2-1 but i got "unable to install , Incompatible application package " I m using N800 . What should i do now . |
| 10:04.44 | lardman | it may be a .deb for the 770, I imagine there's an n800 version floating around somewhere |
| 10:05.15 | lardman | kulve: Where do the dbg() statements come out? |
| 10:06.31 | kulve | syslog |
| 10:06.31 | _Monkey | syslog is apt-get install sysklogd (or use downloads.maemo.org like everyone else) |
| 10:06.43 | kulve | lardman: if you have the mbox debug enabled in kernel |
| 10:06.54 | lardman | kulve: I'm using your kernel, so yes |
| 10:06.58 | kulve | ok |
| 10:07.04 | lardman | but I don't see my message |
| 10:07.42 | kulve | you have the syslog package installed? (and the syslogd running?) |
| 10:08.14 | lardman | I do see an empty line in the syslog output though |
| 10:08.14 | lardman | yes |
| 10:08.14 | kulve | hmm |
| 10:08.16 | lardman | it's the same as printf(), but with task as the first param? |
| 10:10.08 | lardman | here's my output: http://pastebin.com/m447a474 |
| 10:10.09 | Big_B | Lardman : is it sure that N770 and N800 uses different .deb . Can't i use it for N800? |
| 10:10.38 | Big_B | hildon-fmmm |
| 10:10.48 | lardman | Big_B: the 770 and n800 use a different binary format for calling libraries, so you need an n800 version |
| 10:11.02 | Big_B | Ya |
| 10:11.18 | Big_B | Where can i get it ? |
| 10:12.00 | lardman | no idea |
| 10:12.30 | lardman | kulve: I see in syslog that there's a DBG message received: mbox: receiving seq=0, cmd=79:05(DBG), data=0011 |
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| 10:13.03 | Big_B | Ok . I will try by myself . Thanks Lardman. |
| 10:13.25 | kulve | lardman: this is how I see them: |
| 10:13.26 | kulve | [105866.529815] mbox: receiving seq=0, cmd=79:05(DBG), data=003d |
| 10:13.26 | kulve | [105866.529876] rcv_bksnd: got 160 bytes of data: 0xe5fb 0xdf34 |
| 10:13.39 | kulve | actually I think I used DBG(), not dbg().. |
| 10:13.52 | lardman | ok, I'll give it a go |
| 10:15.14 | kulve | but it's odd that you did receive the DBG mbox message ok.. |
| 10:15.46 | kulve | lardman: I remembered it wrong, I used the dbg() |
| 10:15.47 | kulve | + dbg(task, "initializing"); |
| 10:15.50 | kulve | like that |
| 10:16.50 | lardman | ah, no \n on the end? |
| 10:17.06 | lardman | I was wondering about that |
| 10:19.00 | lardman | hmm, seems I get ABORTADR messages unless I restart the DSP |
| 10:19.38 | mbuf | doing Bora 3.1 installation on Debian Etch, doing 'apt-get update' in scratchbox gives 'error cannot resolve 'repository.maemo.org', why? |
| 10:20.53 | lardman | you've not setup a nameserver? |
| 10:22.11 | mbuf | lardman, in scratchbox resolv.conf or in host resolv.conf? |
| 10:22.20 | kulve | lardman: I got abortadr if I had something wrong in the INIT ctl comand |
| 10:22.23 | mbuf | lardman, Internet works on host |
| 10:23.01 | lardman | mbuf: in scratchbox |
| 10:23.12 | kulve | mbuf: try "scratchbox maemo nsswitch.conf" in google |
| 10:23.44 | lardman | kulve: okay, I'll take a look. It's just strange because I don't think I've changed anything and it went from abortadr to working and now back to abortadr |
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| 10:26.25 | lardman | no, nothing in my case MBCMD_TCTL_TINIT: |
| 10:26.35 | lardman | except for return 0 |
| 10:27.09 | kulve | doesn't the return value tell the success.. |
| 10:28.21 | lardman | I thought you have to return a value if it fails |
| 10:31.13 | kulve | lardman: yeah, 0 for OK and .. I don't know what in error.. |
| 10:31.30 | kulve | MBCMD_EID_* in error |
| 10:31.34 | lardman | MBCMD_EID_BADTCTL is the default return value if you don;'t recognise it |
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| 10:36.47 | lardman | The only way I can see to get ABORTADR is for something to have written to the memory used to store the task information |
| 10:38.42 | lardman | here's my logic for that conclusion http://pastebin.com/d687554ef |
| 10:39.11 | lardman | all the source files are in the DSP-side dspgateway code |
| 10:40.14 | lardman | when a task is removed, its TID is first set back to 0xDEAD |
| 10:41.06 | lardman | But I still can't work out what I've done to get this error, I'm placing my shared memory in EXTMEM2 and EXTMEM3 |
| 10:45.13 | kulve | I don't touch that TID.. |
| 10:45.23 | kulve | + TID_MAGIC, /* tid */ |
| 10:45.34 | kulve | I think that is some macro giving out proper TID? |
| 10:45.36 | lardman | Nor do I, but I tracked back to find out where the error came from |
| 10:45.42 | kulve | hmm |
| 10:46.04 | lardman | it's set to magic when the task is loaded, then given a numeric ID once it's loaded |
| 10:46.09 | kulve | ah, sry, I read too qcuikly.. |
| 10:46.41 | lardman | I've another question - if you look in any of the .cmd files, you'll see something like g711_dec_mmap_buffer: align=0x10000 {} > EXTMEM2 /*must start at beginning of page */ |
| 10:47.08 | lardman | any idea why it's aligned to 0x10000? Is that actually a page size? |
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| 10:48.04 | lardman | I suppose that's 2^16 so it makes some sense |
| 10:48.34 | kulve | I don't know anything about those.. |
| 10:48.43 | lardman | in the spec it says the mmap buffer needs to be aligned to 2k words, perhaps page boundaries are faster then |
| 10:56.24 | Big_B | Lardmand I need these .deb 1. hildon-fmmm 2. hildon-libsmm 3. libglibmm -2.4-1 c2a 3.glibgtkmm -2.4-1 c2a 4.libsigc++-2.0-0c2a(>=2.02) 5.libsqlite3-0(>=3.3.5) for N800. Would you like to tell me where can i get it ?? |
| 10:56.33 | Big_B | Mardman |
| 10:56.42 | Big_B | Lardman |
| 10:57.16 | Big_B | or anybody who knows ?? |
| 10:57.32 | kozuch | Hi, can Maemo run on some other hardware that Nokias N770 and N800??? |
| 10:58.13 | cosmo | x86 pc |
| 10:58.17 | lardman | Big_B: sqlite and the other standard ones will probably be in the maemo repo |
| 10:58.41 | lardman | cosmo: I thought one of those ultra portable pcs was running maemo? |
| 10:58.53 | lardman | ah, x86 of course :) |
| 10:59.56 | Big_B | Ya . Lard man i got it here "http://souptonuts.sourceforge.net/readme_sqlite_tutorial.html" |
| 11:00.38 | lardman | Big_B: Just install it via Application Manager |
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| 11:01.19 | Big_B | ok . Thank you Lardman |
| 11:02.32 | mbuf | /etc/nsswitch.conf in scratchbox (bora 3.1) has "hosts: dns" ; on host debian etch, /etc/nsswitch.conf has "hosts: files mdsn4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4" |
| 11:03.15 | mbuf | apt-get update gives 'cannot resolve repository.maemo.org' ; google links said only dns should be in hosts file, and it is present in scratchbox, what am i missing? |
| 11:05.22 | jani | check the dns configfiles in /scratchbox folder outside the scratchbox environment .. |
| 11:05.32 | lardman | try editing /etc/resolv.conf |
| 11:07.49 | mbuf | lardman, i have set /etc/resolv.conf to use opendns inside scratchbox; |
| 11:08.28 | jani | can you access if you use wget ? |
| 11:09.25 | mbuf | jani, yes |
| 11:10.19 | lardman | mbuf: No idea then, I just set resolv.conf inside to the same as outside and hey presto |
| 11:10.56 | mbuf | lardman, maemo 3.1 or 3.2 ? |
| 11:12.58 | lardman | can't remember to tell the truth, I think 3.2 just worked |
| 11:13.33 | mbuf | lardman, i will update to 3.2 then; thanks |
| 11:14.11 | lardman | hmm, hope I remembered correctly ;) |
| 11:14.32 | jjo_ | network should work even if resolv.conf inside sb points to 127.0.0.1 |
| 11:14.55 | jjo_ | the problen is usually in /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 11:15.09 | mbuf | jjo_, yes by default resolv.conf was set to 127.0.0.1 |
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| 11:17.55 | lardman | kulve: I've got a new error now: ABORTADR, time to track that one down |
| 11:18.00 | jjo_ | mbuf: so, is the /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf ok |
| 11:18.14 | mbuf | jjo_, how can i tell? |
| 11:18.34 | jjo_ | what do you have on the 'hosts: ' line |
| 11:18.42 | mbuf | jjo_, "hosts: dns" |
| 11:19.21 | jjo_ | then it should be ok |
| 11:20.05 | jjo_ | but are you sure you checked /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf? earlier you talked about /etc/nsswitch.conf inside scratchbox |
| 11:20.24 | jjo_ | and I understood that you ment the one inside the scratchbox environment |
| 11:20.38 | jjo_ | those files are not the same... |
| 11:22.48 | Jaffa | solmumaha: pupnik answered it. Need any help/testing for your mplayer/vlc streaming doohicky? |
| 11:23.14 | solmumaha | sure |
| 11:23.21 | solmumaha | you have a dvb card? |
| 11:27.26 | mbuf | jjo_, yes by /etc/nsswitch.conf inside scratchbox i meant /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 11:27.58 | jjo_ | ok |
| 11:30.40 | mbuf | jjo_, wait, it is not; /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf has "hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4" |
| 11:31.08 | mbuf | jjo_, i think it was simply copied from /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 11:31.57 | jjo_ | yes, during installation |
| 11:32.12 | mbuf | jjo_, lardman ok works now, i have only "hosts: files dns" in /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf , and apt-get update works! thanks |
| 11:35.31 | lardman | good good |
| 11:47.51 | lardman | hmm, syslogd seems to have stopped producing information since I rebooted |
| 11:48.41 | lardman | certainly nothing related to dsp_dld anymore |
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| 11:56.10 | Jaffa | solmumaha: yep |
| 11:57.13 | kulve | lardman: I don't keep syslogd running because it floods a lot. I just start it when I want to debug something with it |
| 11:57.32 | kulve | especially the dsp audio codecs floods *alot* with the mbox debug.. |
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| 12:04.58 | lardman | kulve: I was doing that too, but then I crashed the DSP & it rebooted the N800 |
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| 12:05.20 | lardman | when I installed syslogd it must have added entries to /etc/init.d |
| 12:07.22 | lardman | hmm, I think it needs to be dbg() not DBG() |
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| 12:14.33 | lardman | right, the code is now causing a dsp reset which is making the n800 reboot |
| 12:14.56 | lardman | time to disable dsme or whatever it's called |
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| 12:21.25 | lardman | kulve: Removing the \n from the dbg() commands has produced output for me |
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| 12:31.31 | kulve | nice :) |
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| 12:37.09 | lardman | Right, I'm making some progress now, the code runs then segfaults, I just need to dbg() through the code and sort out the errors |
| 12:37.20 | lardman | ncie to get something running after all this effort :) |
| 12:38.01 | lardman | looks like my current problem is with trying to copy the ogg_buffer structure over to the DSP-side and reassemble it |
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| 12:39.11 | lardman | I am doing memcpy (doing endianness conversion on the ARM) on ogg_page, ogg_reference and ogg_buffer structs, then updating their pointers to the on the DSPside |
| 12:39.21 | lardman | this seems to fail for my ogg_buffer |
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| 12:40.16 | lardman | right, other things to do, back later |
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| 13:28.00 | rene4jazz | hi all |
| 13:29.13 | rene4jazz | ld show the following message when I try to compile de maemo_hello.c example code: ld: skipping incompatible //usr/lib/libhildonwidgets.so when searching for -lhildonwidgets |
| 13:29.21 | rene4jazz | what can I do? |
| 13:31.47 | pupnik_ | hi rene4jazz |
| 13:32.02 | pupnik_ | did you get error messages when logging-in to scratchbox? |
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| 13:38.55 | rene4jazz | pupnik, no I don't |
| 13:40.14 | rene4jazz | I installed the scratchbox apophis from the debian repository, and installed the Maemo 2.2 dev rootstrap from maemo.org |
| 13:40.54 | rene4jazz | configured the target with sb-menu selecting debian devkit |
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| 13:41.26 | lardman | are you compiling for arm or x86? |
| 13:42.00 | lardman | either way, see what "file //usr/lib/libhildonwidgets.so" tells you the format of that file is |
| 13:42.24 | rene4jazz | I have selected the scratchbox-toolchain-cs2005q3.2-glibc-i386 package on the target configuration |
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| 13:44.15 | rene4jazz | I did it: //usr/lib/libhildonwidgets.so: symbolic link to `libhildonwidgets.so.0.5.0' |
| 13:44.35 | pupnik | file /usr/lib/libhildonwidgets.so.0.5.0 |
| 13:44.43 | lardman | try "file /usr/lib/libhildonwidgets.so.0.5.0" then |
| 13:44.54 | lardman | beat me! |
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| 13:45.20 | rene4jazz | //usr/lib/libhildonwidgets.so.0.5.0: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), stripped |
| 13:45.28 | pupnik | aha nice catch lardman |
| 13:45.59 | lardman | no idea why you've got the libs mixed up, perhaps you extracted the wrong rootstrap? |
| 13:46.06 | mbuf | what should i do if it says, "you should close other scratchbox versions" ? using bora 3.2 on debian etch |
| 13:46.57 | lardman | mbuf: I assume you logged out of the old version before installing the new one? Did you remember to rmmod the kernel modules? |
| 13:47.35 | mbuf | lardman, just exiting the terminal is ok? |
| 13:48.02 | rene4jazz | pupnik: do I have to reinstall? |
| 13:48.36 | rene4jazz | pupnik: where do I get the i386 version of the development rootstrap |
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| 13:49.45 | pupnik | http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo.org+i386+rootstrap |
| 13:49.50 | rene4jazz | this is the url of the rootstrap I downloaded: http://repository.maemo.org///stable/gregale/armel/Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.2_armel-rootstrap.tgz |
| 13:50.14 | pupnik | yes that *armel* means it runs on the ARM cpu, or on the QEMU arm emulator |
| 13:50.35 | pupnik | if you are in the i386 scratchbox environment, you need to install the i386 rootstrap |
| 13:51.00 | pupnik | in scratchbox you can set up two basic types of 'targets' |
| 13:51.17 | pupnik | one contains a build environment (the rootstrap) compiled for i386 cpu |
| 13:51.35 | pupnik | another contains the same, only compiled for ARM (armel) |
| 13:51.52 | Thanatermesis | is possible to run the system of n800 in a 770, correct ? |
| 13:52.02 | Thanatermesis | what is the max. size permitted for the MMC card on 770 ? |
| 13:52.26 | pupnik | when you set up a Scratchbox target, you choose either an i386 or an ARM target, and into this target you must install an i386 or arm rootstrap, respectively |
| 13:52.41 | alterego | 2GB I think |
| 13:52.52 | rene4jazz | ok, roger |
| 13:53.15 | pupnik | Thanatermesis: sort of yes, it is called it2007he, and will run most 'bora' binaries. 2GB yes |
| 13:53.23 | lardman | mbuf: yes, you probably also need to remove the kernel modules |
| 13:54.22 | mbuf | lardman, no i am ok with x86 now; just wanted to see how to do it |
| 13:55.30 | pupnik | rene4jazz: one more note - i never use the i386 target. I think the only real use is for convenient profiling. |
| 13:55.48 | lardman | mbuf: yeah, exit the terminal and then run "/scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl stop" as root |
| 13:56.25 | lardman | pupnik: But profiling on a different arch is somewhat dangerous |
| 13:56.44 | Thanatermesis | only 2 gb ? uh.. :/ |
| 13:57.22 | rene4jazz | pupnik: so I have to use the qemu way? |
| 13:57.46 | mbuf | lardman, ohh ok, i remember doing start earlier; but, it says '/scratchbox/users/foo/dev: device is busy', but echo $? exit status is 0 |
| 13:58.19 | rene4jazz | I can't find a suitable i386 for maemo gregale 2.2 ( I'm preparing a develpment environment for n770) |
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| 14:00.01 | pupnik | rene4jazz: it is the only way i know to compile binaries for the tablet. I suggest you set-up a new ARMEL target, use qemu-arm-0.8.1-sb2, install debian and cputransp devkits (both!) and install Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.2_armel-rootstrap.tgz as your rootstrap |
| 14:00.15 | lardman | mbuf: If it said it was busy you probably already had the modules loaded |
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| 14:04.50 | rene4jazz | pupnik: I'll try, thank's very much |
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| 14:12.39 | roue | hola |
| 14:13.53 | roue | I'm thinking about buying an N800 but have been reading the rumors about the upcoming Nxxx. If the new tablet is going to be 5-600$ then there's no way I'd buy it anyway. Does anyone recall what the N800 cost when it was first released? |
| 14:14.09 | roue | thanks. |
| 14:14.26 | lardman | ~£250 perhaps |
| 14:14.40 | lardman | or was it more |
| 14:14.56 | lardman | I can't see the new one being so much more expensive to tell the truth |
| 14:16.29 | roue | I'm not really interested in gps or wimax -- but if it's got more ram and a faster cpu I'd probably wait. |
| 14:16.47 | roue | I'm a bit torn. |
| 14:16.55 | lardman | no-one knows, wait ~43 days and then you might find out something more |
| 14:16.58 | |R | 400 |
| 14:17.03 | roue | how long of a wait was there between the 770 and the 800 releases? |
| 14:17.20 | |R | 1.5 year ? |
| 14:17.39 | lardman | but more importantly how much of a wait was there between the FCC filing and the release |
| 14:17.48 | |R | probably 2... just guessing from arcticle's date i've read |
| 14:18.06 | |R | haha |
| 14:18.11 | roue | so it probably makes sense to hold off for a month or two. |
| 14:18.25 | |R | I just ordered an N800 but i'm really hoping to pair it with an OpenMoko in the end ;) |
| 14:18.39 | lardman | I would, in ~43 days there should be some more info about the new one, at least some pictures, etc. |
| 14:18.57 | roue | if it has an actually keyboard that would cinch it for me. |
| 14:18.59 | |R | what' up in 43 days? :) |
| 14:19.02 | lardman | |R: I was looking at the openmoko, still too dear though |
| 14:19.11 | roue | that's when the fcc info embargo lifts. |
| 14:19.21 | |R | lardman : yeah i'm waiting for the GTA02 release to be a bit less rough around the edges.. |
| 14:19.53 | lardman | |R: I think it would be fun to hack on, but not sure I can justify so much money for the current one, and the next one looks even more expensive |
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| 14:20.41 | lardman | at least the next one will have a faster processor and video/imaging acceleration |
| 14:20.48 | |R | lardman : yep, the GTA02 is the next one, wifi, more ram, more mhz, more everything eheh :D |
| 14:20.49 | lardman | oh, and wifi |
| 14:20.56 | pupnik | I will probably never sell my 770 |
| 14:21.08 | |R | that's the main feature for me |
| 14:21.15 | lardman | I don;t think I can, my gf uses is and my Dad's after something too |
| 14:21.16 | |R | i really want to ditch the telcos and go 100% VoIP |
| 14:21.57 | |R | already switched my landline to unlimitel (2.50$/mth + time) which is way better than Bell's offering at 30+$ / month |
| 14:22.12 | roue | I played around with one of my coworker's N800s for a bit. the speed seemed pretty good. he said he never ran into memory problems even with several apps running at once. anyone here bumping into the speed/memory limits of their N800? |
| 14:22.47 | lardman | roue: It's much better than the 770 in that regard, the only issue you may have is with lots of web pages open at the same time |
| 14:22.55 | lardman | where lots>8 |
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| 14:23.32 | lardman | or if you want to play games, hey pupnik |
| 14:23.34 | roue | okay, thanks. |
| 14:23.38 | pupnik | damn nfs keeps spinning up my drives. |
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| 14:25.08 | pupnik | evil websites can thrash the n800 - but that's because they're evil, shitty websites. |
| 14:25.41 | alterego | evil and shitty |
| 14:26.03 | pupnik | echo "127.0.0.1 digg.com" >> /etc/hosts |
| 14:26.15 | alterego | :D |
| 14:27.37 | |R | haha |
| 14:27.43 | roue | is it possible to disable javascript in opera? |
| 14:27.51 | mgedmin | yes |
| 14:27.54 | |R | is mozilla 0.1 fairing any better? ;) |
| 14:27.54 | sp3000 | tick a box, iirc |
| 14:28.00 | sp3000 | or untick, rather |
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| 15:07.06 | rene4jazz | pupnik: I have compiled well the maemo_hello.c with cputransp enabled and arm toolchain selected, I'am trying now to start the af-sb-init.sh but it's displays: matchbox-wm: can't open display! check your DISPLAY variable. |
| 15:07.41 | pupnik | in your host you must first run start-xephyr.sh to start the X server |
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| 15:07.50 | pupnik | then in scratchbox export display=:2 |
| 15:07.57 | rene4jazz | I did |
| 15:08.28 | rene4jazz | but the documented script returns this: ./start-xephyr.sh: line 4: /scratchbox/users/rene/targets/nokia/usr/bin/Xephyr: No such file or director |
| 15:09.27 | rene4jazz | do I have to make a symlink? |
| 15:09.28 | pupnik | look in your /scratchbox/users/rene/targets directory |
| 15:09.46 | pupnik | there should be a directory with the same name as you seen in your scratchbox target command-line prompt |
| 15:10.01 | pupnik | for e.g. here i have targets/SB_Arm/ |
| 15:10.04 | lardman | can you use xephyr when you're targeting arm? |
| 15:10.11 | pupnik | sure |
| 15:10.32 | rene4jazz | my target's name is nokia |
| 15:10.53 | rene4jazz | /scratchbox/users/rene/targets/nokia/usr/bin/Xephyr: No such file or director |
| 15:11.08 | pupnik | that's strange i don't have Xephyr there either |
| 15:11.28 | pupnik | i think you're trying to run the xephyr script from within scratchbox |
| 15:11.40 | pupnik | do not do that |
| 15:12.51 | rene4jazz | no I'am not, I have the start-xephyr script in my home dir |
| 15:13.01 | pupnik | hrm ok |
| 15:13.49 | rene4jazz | this is the content of the script: #!/bin/sh -e |
| 15:13.49 | pupnik | this is interesting... |
| 15:13.49 | rene4jazz | prefix=/scratchbox/users/${LOGNAME}/targets/nokia/usr |
| 15:13.49 | rene4jazz | export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=${prefix}/lib; export LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 15:13.49 | rene4jazz | exec ${prefix}/bin/Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 800x480x16 -dpi 96 - |
| 15:14.11 | pupnik | mine points to the SDK_PC target |
| 15:14.17 | pupnik | prefix=/scratchbox/users/${LOGNAME}/targets/SDK_PC/usr |
| 15:14.40 | pupnik | cool. learned something today |
| 15:15.13 | rene4jazz | what's that? |
| 15:17.53 | pupnik | ls /scratchbox/users/minra/targets/SDK_PC/usr/bin/X* |
| 15:17.54 | pupnik | /scratchbox/users/minra/targets/SDK_PC/usr/bin/Xephyr |
| 15:18.12 | pupnik | minra@scuttle:~$ ls /scratchbox/users/minra/targets/SB_Arm2/usr/bin/X* |
| 15:18.13 | pupnik | /scratchbox/users/minra/targets/SB_Arm2/usr/bin/Xomap |
| 15:18.42 | rene4jazz | I do have the same "Xomap" file |
| 15:19.07 | pupnik | looks to me as if you have to also have an i386 target set-up |
| 15:19.13 | rene4jazz | so, Xephyr comes with x86 booststrap only? |
| 15:19.22 | pupnik | or maybe get the Xephyr server from somewhere else |
| 15:19.30 | pupnik | i don't know but it looks like it |
| 15:19.42 | rene4jazz | interesting |
| 15:20.46 | rene4jazz | I found the gregale x86 rootstrap in maemo.org |
| 15:21.25 | rene4jazz | after finishing the download I'll install a x86 target |
| 15:21.27 | pupnik | i don't know what i'm talking about but maybe Xnest would also work as a local x server |
| 15:21.51 | pupnik | but yeah ... you know... follow directions :) |
| 15:22.41 | rene4jazz | do you use Xephyr with the arm target? |
| 15:23.02 | pupnik | yeah |
| 15:23.19 | rene4jazz | what script do you execute? |
| 15:23.46 | pupnik | the start-xephyr.sh script, on the host |
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| 15:24.08 | pupnik | and that poitns to the xephyr bin in SBOX_PC target |
| 15:25.01 | pupnik | X is a client/server networked architecture, so the X server runs on the i386 while the arm application runs via qemu |
| 15:25.30 | pupnik | the X server could run on another PC for that matter |
| 15:25.42 | rene4jazz | sure |
| 15:26.25 | pupnik | so it's strange that your start-xephyr.sh script was set to point to your armel target |
| 15:27.24 | lardman | bye chaps |
| 15:27.28 | pupnik | cu |
| 15:27.50 | rene4jazz | if I execute Xephyr on the host it throws a segment fault after starting af-sb-init.sh script |
| 15:33.33 | kulve | rene4jazz: try starting xterm on that xephyr before the af-sb-init.sh |
| 15:34.05 | kulve | at some point xephyr segfaulted when the last client exited.. |
| 15:34.23 | kulve | but, afaik, it should be already fixed long time ago |
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| 15:34.35 | r- | hello |
| 15:34.36 | _Monkey | hi, r- |
| 15:34.40 | r- | hy _Monkey |
| 15:35.05 | r- | so there's someone alive? this is nice |
| 15:35.13 | kulve | yeah, a bot |
| 15:35.17 | r- | oh |
| 15:35.17 | r- | great |
| 15:35.18 | r- | :D |
| 15:35.19 | kulve | :) |
| 15:35.25 | r- | just got my n800 yesterday. |
| 15:35.36 | r- | and now i want to throw my blackberry 8830 at a wall. |
| 15:35.47 | r- | g'damn bluetooth DUN profiles. anyone gotten around this? |
| 15:35.56 | flip^ | every experience with a blackberry has made me want to throw it at a wall |
| 15:36.07 | r- | i've loved the 8830 until i got the n800. |
| 15:37.21 | r- | oh well, one of these days. |
| 15:37.59 | flip^ | i've never tried to make one talk to a n800 tho, so can't help there i'm afraid |
| 15:42.02 | r- | what's the best youtube viewer/downloader/converter that actually works for people? |
| 15:42.12 | r- | videocenter, uktube, etc.. all simply "crash" |
| 15:42.19 | flip^ | UKTube is apparently very good |
| 15:42.35 | flip^ | I tend to just use the build in browser mind... does the job ok |
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| 15:47.22 | flip^ | there's nothing for the n800 that can effectively work with (very basic) word documents, aside from Google Documents, is there? |
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| 15:53.50 | FireSt0rM | Hey guys. I was wondering if it's possible to run apps like Gizmo and Skype on the Hackers version of the OS-2007 software? |
| 15:55.39 | pupnik | try it |
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| 16:23.35 | FireSt0rM | pupnik: I've tried it ;) It doesn't work. I'm wondering if it's my setup, or the hacked OS2007 on Nokia 770 image doesn't support it |
| 16:24.35 | xeos | Hi everyone |
| 16:25.33 | r- | hy |
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| 16:42.19 | pupnik | FireSt0rM: internettablettalk.com forums might have some information. Also setting up multiboot for your mmc pays rich dividends in backup/restore and being able to use both 2006 and 2007he |
| 16:42.24 | pupnik | multiboot? |
| 16:42.24 | _Monkey | well, multiboot is "LILO supreme being - 5th element - protect *you*" http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_Partition_your_MMC_card |
| 16:42.37 | pupnik | hmm need to add the other howto to that |
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| 17:12.55 | xeos | Finally, I will build emacs without gtk/x support since I cannot get installed any font (It semms omap x server doesn't support), so I will loss posibility of use the stylus. If anyone have an idea in order to it works better, tell me please. |
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| 17:24.37 | pupnik | xeos: you can build libgpm |
| 17:24.59 | pupnik | i use it for links2 web browser |
| 17:26.05 | pupnik | http://pupnik.de/deps/deps.html |
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| 17:27.26 | xeos | It sounds nice, I don't know that library |
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| 17:28.14 | pupnik | i don't remember if emacs can use it though |
| 17:28.38 | xeos | It semms it do |
| 17:29.03 | xeos | t-mouse.el :) |
| 17:29.25 | xeos | It said: |
| 17:29.26 | xeos | Toggle t-mouse mode to use the mouse in Linux consoles. |
| 17:29.27 | xeos | With prefix arg, turn t-mouse mode on if arg is positive, otherwise turn it |
| 17:29.27 | xeos | off. |
| 17:29.29 | xeos | This allows the use of the mouse when operating on a Linux console, in the |
| 17:29.32 | xeos | same way as you can use the mouse under X11. |
| 17:29.36 | xeos | It requires the `mev' program, part of the `gpm' utilities. |
| 17:29.52 | pupnik | there is also a way to install additional fonts |
| 17:29.55 | pupnik | fonts? |
| 17:29.55 | _Monkey | fonts are already antialiased, so |
| 17:30.03 | pupnik | darn -- there's a howto somewhere |
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| 17:33.42 | pupnik | fonts? |
| 17:33.43 | _Monkey | fonts are installable by copying .ttf fonts to /usr/share/fonts and then running "fc-cache -f" as root to rebuild system font cache information, then reboot. |
| 17:35.58 | xeos | but I think emacs22 doesn't support this fonts. It has been added at 23 version |
| 17:36.35 | pupnik | aah |
| 17:38.52 | xeos | Emacs works fine, the problem is the font apparers tiny, it is not readable. |
| 17:40.03 | xeos | and when I try switch another font, It yields a "not found font" warning |
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| 18:14.24 | mbuf | to use different maemo development environments (Bora 3.1, 3.2, Chinook 4.0), should we install separate scratchbox environments? if yes, how? |
| 18:19.40 | xeos | pupnik: I have seen in your deps list the xfonts-base package. |
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| 19:59.28 | mbuf | i have added "deb file:/home/foo/maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries_3.2 bora explicit" in /etc/apt/sources.list, is that correct for Bora 3.2? apt-get update on the host obviously says "file:/home/foo File not found" |
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| 20:14.55 | xeos | I have a problem. When init starts esd, it plays a strange sound like `pc speaker', increasing the frecuency. It is like that since I copied my internal flash to mmc. In fact, if I boot from flash I will run successly. Any idea? |
| 20:16.28 | xeos | (I have installed the XCFE tarball too, perhaps it could something to do) |
| 20:16.34 | xeos | thanks in advance |
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| 21:10.52 | rene4jazz | hi all |
| 21:11.55 | rene4jazz | I have installed gregale on scratchbox |
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| 21:13.21 | rene4jazz | now I would like to install a web browser inside scratchbox, it's possible? |
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| 22:08.43 | rene4jazz | how can I install new applications into scratchboxed maemo |
| 22:08.54 | rene4jazz | ? |
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