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| 00:20.58 | |R | i havent received my N800 yet but i was wondering if the SD Cards showed up (mountable) when you plugged in the N800 ? |
| 00:22.32 | saaib | |R, it does in the 770, so I'm almost sure it does in 800 |
| 00:24.07 | |R | saaib : cool thanks :) |
| 00:24.24 | |R | cause i don't have a SDHC reader and thought i could save a few $ ;) |
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| 00:34.33 | alterego | |R, the N800 acts as an SD/MMC card reader when plugged in using the USB cable. |
| 00:35.01 | alterego | If you install the openssh server package you can mount them over wifi too :) |
| 00:35.52 | |R | I'm really eager to have some ssh/bash/vim fun at the bar ;) |
| 00:37.44 | alterego | It's cool. |
| 00:37.50 | alterego | -vim |
| 00:37.55 | alterego | -bash |
| 00:38.00 | alterego | +ash |
| 00:38.04 | alterego | +nano |
| 00:38.24 | alterego | vi is installed, but I'm an emacs guy ;) |
| 00:39.34 | |R | i'm sorry :P |
| 00:39.46 | |R | hehe, just joking :) |
| 00:40.13 | alterego | Finally .. |
| 00:40.30 | |R | Is there a major incompatibility between software on the 770 and 800 ? |
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| 00:44.26 | alterego | Not between the latest OS2006 for 770 and OS2007 for N800 |
| 00:44.33 | Tb0n3 | I thought the 770 only took MMCmobile cards |
| 00:44.37 | alterego | There are slight API changes but nothing too dramatic. |
| 00:44.39 | Tb0n3 | does it take sd? |
| 00:44.53 | Tb0n3 | other than the look and speed |
| 00:44.54 | alterego | The 770 only takes mini MMC |
| 00:45.16 | Tb0n3 | right |
| 00:45.19 | Tb0n3 | thought so |
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| 00:46.34 | |R | so anything 2006+ should work everywhere (binaries) ? |
| 00:46.49 | Tb0n3 | oh god, I just bought a 5 lb bag of mike & ikes |
| 00:46.52 | alterego | No, not everything. Like I said there are some API changes. |
| 00:47.05 | alterego | A fair amount of software works on both devices. |
| 00:47.29 | |R | oh ok :) |
| 00:48.47 | alterego | ruby-maemo is cross tablet. |
| 00:49.31 | alterego | So much so, that the next release wont even need seperate ruby-hildon packages. :) |
| 00:49.44 | alterego | It'll dynamically "fix" the API. :) |
| 00:49.54 | |R | hehe good :) |
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| 01:00.03 | Tb0n3 | what place should I look for OS 2006 applications |
| 01:03.16 | Tb0n3 | and should I update to another OS 2006 plus release, ones with etc2/3, 2GB card support, etc |
| 01:07.19 | t_s_o | hmm, so a 2GB mmc mobile card will not work in the 770? |
| 01:07.43 | Tb0n3 | not without an update, no, it's listed on nokia's website as 1GB max |
| 01:08.35 | t_s_o | ah, i thought i read about someone having it working. could be they did something to the kernel |
| 01:08.42 | alterego | I think that limit is with the original ITOS |
| 01:08.50 | alterego | Most are shipped now with the latest IT2006 |
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| 01:09.31 | t_s_o | so what is the diff between micro and mobile again? |
| 01:09.57 | alterego | I've never heard of mobile. |
| 01:10.39 | t_s_o | hmm, seems to be a smaller mmcplus |
| 01:11.40 | Tb0n3 | lol "USB 2.0 device mode for PC connectivity (with speeds up to 12Mbps)" |
| 01:11.51 | Tb0n3 | usb 2.0 "full speed" |
| 01:12.20 | Tb0n3 | any specific way of updating the kernel to the new 2006? |
| 01:14.17 | t_s_o | hmm, im guessing that going with rs-mmc of 1GB size should be safe |
| 01:14.50 | The_Blob | Were you looking into getting a larger one? |
| 01:15.29 | t_s_o | there was a 2GB mmcmobile. but if its not supported, well... |
| 01:15.36 | The_Blob | Well |
| 01:15.51 | The_Blob | I have a 2GB RS-MMC in my 770 if that makes a difference in your decision.. :> |
| 01:16.16 | t_s_o | cant find one around here that i know of |
| 01:16.29 | The_Blob | I found mine on ebay, was in HK I think |
| 01:16.59 | The_Blob | I found some 256 and 512s in stores locally but that's about it, noone even had 1GB ones in the stores |
| 01:17.05 | The_Blob | Not exactly easy to come by ;) |
| 01:18.37 | t_s_o | hmm, looking at wikipedia it seems that all of them should be able to work as a mmc, only that mmcplus has a 4-bit and 8-bit bus ability, and the micro has a (optional) 4-bit one |
| 01:19.53 | t_s_o | hmm, the micro would probably need a adapter to act as a rs-mmc as its 11mm wide vs the rs-mmc's 24mm |
| 01:20.19 | The_Blob | Might even be hard to come by a micro->RS adapter anyway |
| 01:21.05 | The_Blob | If it's still 'mmc' it's probably electrically compatible though |
| 01:21.46 | t_s_o | unless they ship with one. got a m2 for my phone a while ago (sonyericsson, yep i knew about the memory but i had good experience with the brand and it had the features i wanted. and it looks like future ones from them will have a dual reader that can do SD variants to) and it came with a adapter |
| 01:22.36 | alterego | Good night people |
| 01:22.55 | The_Blob | In any case, I hope I didn't speak too soon, I was only lurking here for a few minutes before I spoke up |
| 01:23.11 | t_s_o | heh, interesting table on that wikipedia page. the mmcplus, with its 8-bit bus looks like it should peak at 416Mbit/s |
| 01:23.23 | The_Blob | I'll have to check that out |
| 01:23.36 | The_Blob | But for now I'm out |
| 01:23.38 | The_Blob | cheers |
| 01:23.41 | t_s_o | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MultiMediaCard |
| 01:23.49 | The_Blob | thx for the link ;) |
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| 01:51.36 | Tb0n3 | I'll never buy a memory card off of ebay after the shit I've heard about MS pro duos |
| 01:51.46 | Tb0n3 | and they're all gone |
| 01:51.47 | Tb0n3 | lul |
| 01:51.54 | Blacksitox | bye |
| 01:52.22 | Tb0n3 | anyhow, they don't have magicgate and are so slow that psps can't read game isos fast enough to play off it |
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| 02:28.41 | sparr | Tb0n3: i think your choice of sony's proprietary "Memory Stick" was the first mistake in that chain of events |
| 02:59.09 | pupnik | Arthur... Arthur... King of the Britons... |
| 02:59.12 | pupnik | oh sry |
| 03:01.47 | Tb0n3 | like I had a choice? I've got a psp with a custom firmware |
| 03:02.29 | Tb0n3 | so I play games for free as well as use it for internet radio, emulate snes/psx/nes/genesis, wifi sniffer/media player |
| 03:03.12 | Tb0n3 | 2 GB stick from walmart, coulda gotten it cheaper elsewhere but it was 12am and I wanted to h4x it |
| 03:11.15 | Tb0n3 | fux |
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| 03:34.03 | unique311 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=77948#post77948 |
| 03:34.10 | unique311 | video chat..... |
| 03:34.17 | unique311 | gizmo, came thru |
| 03:38.48 | unique311 | don't bother if you have rtcomm installed, gizmo 4.0 for the n800 crashes real bad. |
| 03:38.49 | pupnik | sweet |
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| 03:43.57 | pupnik | "DOSBox on a 1.7 Gigahertz PC is roughly the equivalent of a 25MHz 386 PC." |
| 03:44.12 | pupnik | considering that, the tablet doesn't run it that badly |
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| 04:07.34 | pupnik | nice - i'd like a power plug that doesn't have so much leverage |
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| 04:08.01 | nelson | pupnik: this one is integrated into the case wrapper. |
| 04:08.10 | nelson | Photos once I have daylight. |
| 04:08.12 | pupnik | cool |
| 04:14.52 | nelson | pupnik: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=270157739858&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=017 |
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| 04:22.24 | pupnik | cool |
| 04:23.39 | pupnik | great product |
| 04:24.21 | nelson | Does camera-2.9.2video actually upload to flickr or is that just a tease? |
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| 04:25.21 | nelson | pupnik: but .... I can't find it in their ebay store anymore. |
| 04:25.47 | nelson | v. annoying, especially since I was just going to brag about my wonderful form-fitting external battery. |
| 04:26.48 | nelson | Hmmmm..... same product seems to be available still: http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Universal-External-Battery-for-PDA-and-Cell-Phone_W0QQitemZ230174242726QQihZ013QQcategoryZ15034QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
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| 05:04.46 | pupnik | looking at the intel UMG platform roadmap ... ARM is going to get some competition :/ |
| 05:05.14 | pupnik | McCaslin, Menlow, Moorestown |
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| 05:08.16 | pupnik | A very small bicycle .. http://www.newscientist.com/blog/technology/uploaded_images/SinclairABike-771352.jpg |
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| 05:14.54 | rene4jazz | Hi people |
| 05:15.13 | nelson | Obviously, then, you feel that I fall into the class ``people''. |
| 05:15.20 | nelson | Makes my heart giddy with joy. |
| 05:15.24 | rene4jazz | I'am having this error: /scratchbox/tools/bin/chown: `messagebus.messagebus': invalid user |
| 05:15.44 | nelson | pupnik: yes, I've looked at that bike. Problem is it has a 180lb weight limit. |
| 05:15.51 | rene4jazz | that's trying to install gconf2 |
| 05:16.23 | rene4jazz | ups, did not catch that |
| 05:18.31 | rene4jazz | bit |
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| 05:19.56 | rene4jazz | does any one know what is the cause? |
| 05:22.34 | rene4jazz | I'am using SDK 2.2 gregale |
| 05:22.48 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:23.09 | pupnik | gregale, gconf2... i might have that |
| 05:23.44 | pupnik | Filename: pool/herring/main/g/gconf2/gconf2_2.6.4.14-osso2_armel.deb |
| 05:23.51 | pupnik | hfmf |
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| 05:24.53 | rene4jazz | i did not catch the idea, sorry |
| 05:25.02 | pupnik | rene4jazz: you can dpkg-x the gconf package and look at the postinst script to see where it is getting the username from |
| 05:25.06 | pupnik | dpkg -X |
| 05:25.28 | rene4jazz | ok, i'll see |
| 05:25.51 | pupnik | or apt-get source gconf to see it |
| 05:26.05 | pupnik | i don't know what's wrong - that's just how i would work backwards from the error message |
| 05:26.35 | rene4jazz | ok roger |
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| 05:36.50 | e-squizo | any scratchbox2 users? I can't seem to get it to run "af-sb-init.sh start" as instructed in http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial_bora.html#settingup |
| 05:37.21 | e-squizo | of course, that example uses scratchbox,. not sb2... |
| 05:37.41 | e-squizo | but I kinda expected them to work similarly |
| 05:38.43 | pupnik | what error message? |
| 05:51.32 | e-squizo | pupnik: tons of them |
| 05:51.46 | e-squizo | essentially: it doesn't find any of the programs |
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| 05:52.21 | e-squizo | I expected the sb2 -e command to drop me in some kind of "virtual N800" box |
| 05:52.43 | e-squizo | but it doesn't |
| 05:54.06 | e-squizo | maybe I failed to understand the whole concept? |
| 05:54.09 | pupnik | are you logged-in? |
| 05:54.18 | pupnik | cd /scratchbod && ./login |
| 05:54.23 | pupnik | s/bod/box |
| 05:54.35 | e-squizo | lemme see |
| 05:55.10 | e-squizo | first things first: this is scratchbox2, not scratchbx |
| 05:55.48 | e-squizo | I understand scratchbox installs to /scratchbox, whereas sb2 does not |
| 05:57.14 | pupnik | ok |
| 05:57.18 | e-squizo | I have no "login" program in my maemo-root tree... |
| 05:57.58 | e-squizo | pupnik: so... it doesn't look like I can login |
| 05:58.38 | pupnik | i dont' know sb2 |
| 05:59.01 | e-squizo | pupnik: thanks anyway |
| 05:59.08 | e-squizo | it's what comes with Debian unstable.. |
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| 06:06.17 | pupnik | apt-cache show scratchbox-core |
| 06:06.28 | pupnik | Version: 1.0.7 |
| 06:07.32 | pupnik | if you find a maemo-specific howto for scratchbox2 post the link here pls |
| 06:07.40 | e-squizo | apt-cache show scratchbox-core |
| 06:07.40 | e-squizo | W: Unable to locate package scratchbox-core |
| 06:07.52 | pupnik | hmm i have debian sid here |
| 06:07.59 | pupnik | oh that means you don't have it installed |
| 06:08.13 | pupnik | if you apt-cache search scratchbox you should see scratchbox-core |
| 06:08.23 | e-squizo | pupnik: http://gitweb.freedesktop.org/?p=sbox2.git;a=blob;hb=HEAD;f=README |
| 06:09.00 | e-squizo | pupnik: unfortunately, I don't |
| 06:09.20 | pupnik | interestiing - looks like sb2 does work |
| 06:09.25 | e-squizo | $ apt-cache search --names-only scratchbox |
| 06:09.25 | e-squizo | scratchbox2 - Transparent cross compiling environment |
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| 06:09.49 | e-squizo | pupnik: cool! now, just tell me, how? |
| 06:09.54 | e-squizo | :-) |
| 06:10.03 | pupnik | just reading your link |
| 06:10.11 | e-squizo | pupnik: ah |
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| 06:11.20 | pupnik | deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free is where i think i'm getting it |
| 06:11.25 | e-squizo | according to that link, it should work |
| 06:11.44 | pupnik | how do i do an apt-search that shows me which repository contains which package? |
| 06:12.28 | e-squizo | I have deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free |
| 06:12.53 | e-squizo | good question... let me see if I find an answer |
| 06:12.55 | pupnik | strange - that is only kernel i think |
| 06:13.03 | e-squizo | nope |
| 06:13.07 | pupnik | ah ok |
| 06:13.10 | e-squizo | that is all of Debian |
| 06:15.40 | rene4jazz | what is the purpose of sbox_configure? |
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| 06:23.28 | pupnik | http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/8985/swivelyf5.gif nice concept for a swivel-out keyboard (slide-out has patent issues) |
| 06:34.06 | vesa | not very practical compared to slideout. onehand operation prettymuch impossible |
| 06:41.55 | `0660 | i think it should have a button which would pop it out :) |
| 06:42.22 | `0660 | it could play futuristic sounds while doing it :) |
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| 08:00.41 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:02.08 | flip^ | morning |
| 08:02.09 | _Monkey | aloha |
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| 08:30.10 | lardman | morning all |
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| 08:38.07 | pupnik | so then dialogue would be something like this: |
| 08:38.08 | pupnik | http://pupnik.de/xu4_onscreenctls7greywood_smc_ani.gif |
| 08:40.18 | flip^ | is there anything on a n800 that could open either a word doc file, or a rtf file even? |
| 08:40.21 | flip^ | (and edit it) |
| 08:40.27 | pupnik | abiword |
| 08:40.36 | flip^ | abiword seems to only care about its own format |
| 08:40.43 | flip^ | denies me any attempt to open anything else |
| 08:41.27 | pupnik | hrm duno |
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| 08:45.52 | lardman | The text section should normally contain assembled code? |
| 08:46.23 | pupnik | wrong window lardman? :confused: |
| 08:47.29 | lardman | talking about assembly |
| 08:48.09 | lardman | Looks like the asm I'm using for CRC is being placed somewhere the dsp_dld linker doesn't know about - the text section |
| 08:49.30 | lardman | hmm, but .text is there when I disassemble the code |
| 08:50.26 | lardman | ah, missing a dot |
| 08:50.30 | lardman | silly me |
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| 08:59.35 | pupnik | flip^: try apt-get update from xterm (with apt manager closed) |
| 08:59.39 | pupnik | see if that gets you errors |
| 08:59.48 | pupnik | (as root) |
| 09:06.13 | flip^ | now its just being odd ... Waiting for headers... |
| 09:07.41 | flip^ | "GPG error" public key not available on maemo-hackers.org or catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com >.< |
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| 09:24.56 | lardman | kulve: Have you ever seen the following error?: mbox: ERR from DSP (BADADR): 0x6200 |
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| 09:26.09 | kulve | hmmm, no, I don't think so.. |
| 09:26.28 | lardman | the spec pdf reckons this message is unused |
| 09:26.54 | Hviid | Hi... Does anybody know how I get the /usr/bin/browser to start in fullscren, which parameter? |
| 09:27.04 | Hviid | Its an N800 standard browser |
| 09:27.14 | Hviid | opera |
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| 09:27.40 | latzko | hi |
| 09:27.40 | _Monkey | niihau, latzko |
| 09:30.55 | latzko | I have an applet with CSM activated at tap-and-hold. The request to me is that CSM should only come up in empty areas of the applet (any empty areas btw) and none of the control widgets. Is that possible? |
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| 10:03.51 | Rebroad | hi. is is possible to video chat on the latest n800 firmware ? |
| 10:05.00 | flip^ | with skype, apparently. not tried it yet though |
| 10:06.59 | Rebroad | when i extend the webcam it runs the internet call app, not skype. any idea why? |
| 10:07.28 | flip^ | Rebroad: you can just close it and launch skype instead |
| 10:07.44 | flip^ | there's an option in the internet call app that says "automatically run me when the camera is opened" |
| 10:08.00 | flip^ | you can just untick the option and then it doesn't automatically run anything when the camera is extended |
| 10:08.50 | xand | the 800 has a camera? |
| 10:09.07 | Rebroad | by this option is it safe to assume i can video chat using internet call app? if so, how? |
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| 10:10.20 | tigert | woot |
| 10:12.47 | flip^ | Rebroad: you can, with Google Chat / Jabber |
| 10:13.00 | flip^ | I've no experience at all with that though |
| 10:14.15 | Rebroad | flip^, i have tried with someone using the latest googletalk client but it says their client doesn't support video |
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| 10:14.52 | Rebroad | flip^, what experience of video chat do you have? |
| 10:15.05 | celesteh_rules | i can't get video chat to work either |
| 10:15.15 | Rebroad | tigert, what other team? |
| 10:16.05 | flip^ | Rebroad: I've used skype on a PC quite a bit... not got round to trying it on my n800 though (i've only had it a few weeks now) |
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| 10:17.19 | Rebroad | ok, so it seems that alto |
| 10:17.45 | Rebroad | although the n800 has a camera, there is ct |
| 10:18.06 | Rebroad | actually no useful sw for it! |
| 10:18.28 | flip^ | there's some other photo taking software about, but i could do with a video recording app too tbh |
| 10:21.14 | tigert | Rebroad: ?? |
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| 11:02.52 | Feopathy | Hi Room, just trying to recompile a package made for the 800 onto the 770. First time using scratch box and i was wondering if I have to install all the prerequisites by hand (./configure make) or can i use something like apt-get? |
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| 11:20.38 | sbox_noob | Hi #maemo |
| 11:21.50 | sbox_noob | apt-get cannot resolve hostnames - wget can - already did edit nsswitch.conf and resolv.conf |
| 11:22.07 | sbox_noob | currently it is 3.1 - wanted to upgrade to 3.2 but apt-get wont update |
| 11:22.09 | sbox_noob | [sbox-SDK_ARMEL: ~] > cat /etc/nsswitch.conf|grep ^hosts && cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 11:22.09 | sbox_noob | hosts: dns |
| 11:22.09 | sbox_noob | nameserver 10.10.10.1 |
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| 11:24.19 | sbox_noob | anyone an idea? |
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| 11:27.29 | alump | check /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf |
| 11:28.41 | sbox_noob | on the host machine? |
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| 11:29.22 | sbox_noob | says "search datateam.local" and "nameserver 10.10.10.1" each in it's own line |
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| 11:32.05 | sbox_noob | got to reboot |
| 11:38.51 | pupnik | 'CraigX' from Gp2x world appears to be developing a new handheld gaming console. (what? how? with what money? huh?) Apparently based on OMAP 3430, Linux, 800x480 screen, wifi. Quite a strange occurrence. |
| 11:39.45 | pupnik | if they actually get anywhere it will be interesting to see if they use Maemo/ITOS for it |
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| 11:42.34 | jani | arent the current gp2x versions allready using linux ? |
| 11:43.38 | pupnik | yes but the manufacturer went bankrupt, according to forums |
| 11:44.21 | matmo | want to try fanoush mmc speed up without permanent flashing. On his web page he has a command "flasher-2.0" - is this same as initfs_flash? |
| 11:45.56 | matmo | and do I need boot menu to do this? |
| 11:48.19 | matmo | anyone? |
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| 11:49.55 | jani | pupnik: yes, that happened while ago. point was, atleast some parts of source for gp was released and there's also quite a big dev community so it propably wont make much sense to switch to new software platform.. |
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| 11:54.14 | pupnik | ah i see |
| 11:54.48 | jani | dunno thou, just speculating =) |
| 11:54.55 | Feopathy | Talking of Gp2x, how difficult is it to port programs from that platform to Maemo. They have an SDL based mpd client that looks like it could be rather tasty |
| 11:55.51 | pupnik | AFAIK no-one has ported a gp2x app to nokia yet |
| 11:56.28 | pupnik | sorry matmo i don't know |
| 11:56.38 | matmo | ok np |
| 11:58.57 | jani | wonder who n800 fares against gp2x hw specs ? |
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| 11:59.20 | gla55_ | faster cpu, slower to update screen? |
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| 12:01.21 | pupnik | gp2x is another good example of how multiple cpus tend to not get used much |
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| 12:05.18 | xeos | Hi, Anyone knows if is possible to install xfonts on n770? Does Xomap support it? thanks in advance |
| 12:05.30 | jani | gla55_: which is which? |
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| 12:06.27 | gla55_ | jani: n800 having faster cpu.. but gp2x has two? and smaller res screen thats faster to update.. |
| 12:06.32 | gla55_ | thats my understanding anyohw |
| 12:06.57 | pupnik | correct |
| 12:07.04 | pupnik | ARM 920 and 940 coprocessor |
| 12:07.12 | VRe | Hmm.. it would be cool to have motion sensors in the next device.. |
| 12:07.46 | jani | ack. |
| 12:09.41 | Rebroad | how about bluetooth/usb connected motion sensors... |
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| 12:10.30 | VRe | extra devices.. |
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| 12:17.43 | Blacksitox | hi |
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| 12:27.28 | zwnj | hi there |
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| 12:28.28 | zwnj | the update for openssh-client (maemo6) depends on old version (maemo2) which is already installed, and i get a missing package error |
| 12:29.03 | zwnj | is it correct to depend on old version? |
| 12:30.20 | fish_ | is there a cleanly ported version of gpsd? |
| 12:31.21 | fish_ | looks like the gpsd version from deb http://maemo-hackers.org/apt mistral main is the default debian package |
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| 12:40.09 | toniz | hello |
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| 12:42.22 | gla55_ | eyy toniz |
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| 12:50.52 | onion | fish_: there is osso-gpsd |
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| 12:51.09 | toniz | I'm trying to develop a new connection manager to telepathy (on nokia n800) but I can't find any information regarding the ConfigurationUI defined in /usr/share/osso-rtcom/ .profile files... |
| 12:53.38 | alterego | Oh wonderfull .. Seg faults again ^_^ |
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| 12:56.01 | sbox_boon | apt-get still cannot resolve hostnames - :( |
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| 12:59.29 | sbox_boon | :( |
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| 13:03.52 | alterego | sbox_boon, What happens when you ping something? |
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| 13:07.06 | jani | sbox_boon: maybe you need to add proxy settings for apt-get ? .. but best place to start to debug is to try ping & host if the network works at all inside sbox .. |
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| 13:16.09 | zwnj | installing osso-rtcom-beta, i get missing evolution-date-server. what repo should i add to get it? |
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| 13:18.19 | zwnj | i used the .install link, and run Extras/RTCom installer Beta |
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| 13:27.02 | sbox_boon | jani: there is no ping command in sbox 3.1 - is it? |
| 13:27.21 | sbox_boon | # gtk-window-decorator |
| 13:27.50 | alterego | 3.1? |
| 13:27.50 | _Monkey | i think 3.1 is the latest (known) stable |
| 13:27.57 | alterego | Ah |
| 13:27.59 | alterego | No. |
| 13:28.23 | alterego | 3.2 |
| 13:28.28 | alterego | Is the latest stable :) |
| 13:29.58 | sbox_boon | but i can only upgrade to 3.2 with apt-get |
| 13:31.03 | sbox_boon | -date-server. what repo should i add to get it? |
| 13:31.05 | sbox_boon | -date-server. what repo should i add to get it? |
| 13:35.00 | AD-N770 | sbox_boon: http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=351 |
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| 13:36.53 | jani | sbox_boon: true .. but well, not sure if 3.2 was wget but if its there (i have one), you can try to access some host with that.. |
| 13:37.39 | sbox_boon | i edited nsswitch.conf and resolv.conf |
| 13:37.44 | sbox_boon | and wget gets google.at |
| 13:37.53 | sbox_boon | but apt-get update can resolve nothing! |
| 13:38.45 | jani | sbox_boon: does your lan have a proxy ? |
| 13:41.46 | alterego | Does using a proxy whilst have net sex count as contraception? |
| 13:41.53 | alterego | ~having |
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| 13:43.13 | jani | depends what you want to prevent ;) |
| 13:43.51 | sbox_boon | no proxy in here |
| 13:43.57 | jani | sbox_boon: anyway, i had similar issue |
| 13:44.01 | jani | ah ok. |
| 13:44.30 | jani | - i had similar issue because of all traffic must go thru a proxy .. |
| 13:45.02 | sbox_boon | ?? |
| 13:45.46 | jani | i had the same problem, apt-get wasnt able to upgrade because our lan doesnt allow outside connections, only thru a proxy .. |
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| 14:02.16 | sbox_boon | our lan does! |
| 14:02.27 | sbox_boon | i use no proxy on my dev-machine - works! |
| 14:05.44 | sbox_boon | help - i need the scratchbox!!!!! |
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| 14:07.45 | sbox_boon | what can i else do than edit that nsswitch and resolv? |
| 14:12.29 | gw280 | anyone here familiar with theming in hildon able to explain why gtk_paint_box doesn't seem to paint a pushbutton correctly on my N800 when it's fine on my laptop? |
| 14:12.51 | gw280 | does Hildon patch GtkButton such that it no longer paints using just a stylised paint box? |
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| 14:20.33 | Hviid | Hi... Why doesnt a script run, that I have but in all the /etc/rc*.d/ folders? |
| 14:21.14 | lardman | Hviid: Permissions? |
| 14:22.16 | Hviid | And in the rc*.d folders it is symlinks to it |
| 14:22.43 | lardman | is it executable? |
| 14:22.51 | Hviid | yes |
| 14:23.28 | lardman | I don't know then |
| 14:23.49 | Hviid | ./etc/init.d/ holds the file, in the rc*.d are just symlinks |
| 14:24.04 | lardman | what happens if you run the file manually? |
| 14:24.22 | lardman | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:24.34 | Hviid | It works |
| 14:25.03 | Hviid | but when I reboot the device, nothing has happend |
| 14:25.08 | lardman | I wonder if the rc.d scripts ever complete, or whether something (like the desktop) is started in one script and never returns |
| 14:25.20 | lardman | in which case try changing the number |
| 14:25.43 | Hviid | Which priority are they in, lowest run first? |
| 14:25.48 | lardman | yes |
| 14:26.09 | Hviid | but still strange, I have it in ALL my rc*.d's |
| 14:26.37 | lardman | ah, no I think you misunderstand, the rcX refers to the runlevel |
| 14:26.51 | Hviid | I know |
| 14:26.57 | lardman | within the rcX.d directory, the symlinks are named with numbers, these numbers are the order |
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| 14:27.15 | Hviid | I first put it in rc2.d, that didnt work, fuck it then i tought, and put it in them all :D |
| 14:27.16 | lardman | in which case, if you use the same number in each case, it may be blocked in each case |
| 14:27.42 | sbox_boon | help... how to get that crappy apt running? |
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| 14:28.39 | Hviid | whats the differens between S and K in the rc*.d filenames? |
| 14:29.03 | mgedmin | the S ones are executed when you enter a run level, while the K ones are executed when you leave a run level |
| 14:29.12 | mgedmin | start/stop |
| 14:29.13 | Hviid | ok |
| 14:29.47 | Hviid | Anybody knows the standard browser on the nokia N800, how I get it fullscreen, via parameter? |
| 14:29.59 | sbox_boon | gconf setting? |
| 14:30.04 | sbox_boon | Hviid |
| 14:30.32 | Hviid | like /usr/bin/browser --fullscreen |
| 14:30.37 | Hviid | fx. |
| 14:32.23 | kenne | you are trying to run it from a script? |
| 14:32.30 | Hviid | jep |
| 14:33.07 | Hviid | because I need it to start at boot, and go to a specific homepage in fullscreen |
| 14:33.14 | kenne | did you try to ssh to the n800 and run it from the terminal? :) |
| 14:33.28 | Hviid | I have Xterm on the N800 |
| 14:33.41 | Hviid | this works fin /usr/bin/browser |
| 14:34.01 | Hviid | but I need a parameter, if it exists to get it to start in fullscreen |
| 14:34.09 | kenne | this browser is probably a script right? |
| 14:34.20 | Hviid | nope. |
| 14:34.24 | Hviid | its an binary |
| 14:34.35 | Hviid | a binary |
| 14:34.36 | _Monkey | it has been said that a binary is arm compiled, so it shall run without problems |
| 14:34.57 | Hviid | It also runs |
| 14:35.03 | Hviid | But i need it to start in fullscrenn |
| 14:35.07 | Hviid | fullscreen |
| 14:35.13 | kenne | there is a url at least |
| 14:35.15 | kenne | --url=www.google.com |
| 14:35.24 | Hviid | jep, found that one :D |
| 14:35.27 | kenne | http://browser.garage.maemo.org/docs/eal/index.html |
| 14:35.39 | kenne | maybe something here, donno |
| 14:37.00 | kenne | you could write your own eal :) |
| 14:37.11 | kenne | https://garage.maemo.org/svn/browser/browser-ui/trunk/eal-test/src/main.c |
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| 14:38.07 | Hviid | :( |
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| 14:39.26 | kenne | send a mail to the mailing list, there are probably some eal guys there |
| 14:39.44 | kenne | Hviid, or read the source code :) |
| 14:40.09 | Hviid | yeah |
| 14:40.25 | kenne | or see if you can find alp (callabora) probably there is a #telepathy channel and he is there |
| 14:40.31 | kenne | because he is doing the webkit version |
| 14:40.34 | kenne | he should know |
| 14:41.55 | lardman | https://garage.maemo.org/svn/browser/browser-ui/trunk/tablet-browser-ui/src/main.c is probably more what you want |
| 14:42.14 | lardman | the other code looks to be for a test harness |
| 14:43.25 | kenne | there is no fullscreen option |
| 14:43.33 | lardman | though I can't see where in this code the command line is parsed, if it is indeed |
| 14:43.41 | lardman | does the --url parameter work? |
| 14:44.00 | Hviid | jep |
| 14:44.04 | kenne | Mail this guy Leonid Zolotarev <leonid.zolotarev@nokia.com> |
| 14:44.15 | lardman | ok, wrong bit of code again then |
| 14:44.17 | Hviid | looks like there is something called --view |
| 14:44.30 | kenne | Set view type win/tab/box |
| 14:45.11 | kenne | i guess the option doesnt exist |
| 14:45.16 | kenne | but could be added easily |
| 14:52.26 | lardman | kulve: Looks like I somehow overwrote the area used to store the task information |
| 14:52.30 | Hviid | kenne, wrote the guy a mail now :D |
| 14:52.43 | kenne | Hviid, nice! |
| 14:52.44 | lardman | kulve: my error was caused by the memory not being initialised to 0xDEAD |
| 14:52.56 | kenne | Hviid, is this for a private project or ? |
| 14:53.02 | lardman | kulve: will have to try moving some of my large shared memory regions |
| 14:53.17 | Hviid | kenne, actually its for a minor company |
| 14:53.27 | kenne | ah I see |
| 14:53.39 | Hviid | We are developing a tool, for workout trainers |
| 14:53.53 | kenne | ah webbased? |
| 14:54.22 | Hviid | yes webbased |
| 14:54.32 | kenne | reminds me that I should start doing some sport |
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| 14:54.53 | Hviid | gg, check out www.bodyplanning.dk |
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| 14:54.57 | kenne | ok |
| 14:55.56 | Hviid | kenne har priv msg dig |
| 14:56.53 | kenne | Hviid, virkede ikke, du er nok ikke registeret paa serveren |
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| 14:57.22 | Hviid | kenne, nej nok ikke, bruger noget ircatwork.com |
| 14:57.51 | kenne | det er maaske det |
| 14:58.26 | kenne | Hviid, join #nykanal :) |
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| 15:11.21 | e-squizo | are there any scratchbox2 users in the room? |
| 15:12.01 | kulve | lardman|gone: ok |
| 15:13.07 | e-squizo | scratchbox2 is what I get in debian sid, and although I can get the cross-compilation to work, I haven't figured out how to make the emulator work, to test the software before I upload it to the N800 |
| 15:14.11 | xeos | Have do anyone installed Xfce on the tablet? |
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| 15:35.07 | alterego | Crap. |
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| 16:13.30 | matmo | i am following the wiki instructions to boot from mmc. At "now it's time to clone..." it says to skip the step if using a 770 but not to if on an 800 with OS2007. What if you have 2007HE on the 770? |
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| 16:26.01 | alterego | What is the step? |
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| 16:50.58 | matmo | alterego: sry for delay, past that step now anyway :-) |
| 16:51.05 | alterego | Okay :) |
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| 17:03.30 | _Shurik_ | hola |
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| 18:53.57 | t_s_o | hmm, im guessing that java based apps are not even worth considering for the 770 |
| 18:56.15 | _Shurik_ | nope |
| 18:56.26 | _Shurik_ | what's wrong with C? :) |
| 18:57.14 | t_s_o | imo, nothing. but i see a java on n800 thread over on itt |
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| 19:09.49 | matmo | second attempt trying to set up booting from mmc. When I get to the step to download "tar" apt-get reports it is about to remove a *lot* of packages and download 58meg (yes "meg"). I know the wiki says to expect warnings but is this right? I'm sure 58meg is not going to fit into the remianing 11meg :-) |
| 19:10.36 | matmo | (no, I didn't download tar the first time, just used existing busybox, maybe this is why it failed) |
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| 19:23.46 | matmo | or put another way (that may get an answer ;-) ) does the "-d" option *only* download the *one* package and *not* remove anything despite the warnings? |
| 19:24.33 | X-Fade | yep. Make sure you use download only and you should be safe.. |
| 19:24.50 | matmo | X-Fade: thanks |
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| 19:41.39 | matmo | hmm, seems to have hung transferring ./var/log/wtmp |
| 19:42.57 | matmo | cpu at 100 (or near) so I have to assume it is still doing something but been a few mins now on the one file. Still responsive but slow |
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| 20:10.09 | georg | hi there. could anyone pass me his values from /etc/pointercal? my n770s screen calibration is screwed and doesn't take taps in the middle of circle 1 & 4. reflashing didn't help :( |
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| 20:13.00 | solmumaha | -15279 105 56148848 51 -9551 34549448 65536 |
| 20:13.16 | georg | thanks, will try :) |
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| 20:20.02 | Celesteh | Hi |
| 20:20.03 | _Monkey | hello, Celesteh |
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| 20:24.46 | georg | solmumaha: didn't work, the point i touch and the point recognized are still half a cm away, at lest on the left side... thank you anyways |
| 20:25.20 | solmumaha | k, sry to hear that |
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| 21:10.24 | timeless | ping |
| 21:11.06 | timeless | anyone here know srilatha.sunkanapally@gmail.com |
| 21:11.54 | timeless | or happen to be familiar with ITOS2007HE-garage |
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| 21:30.12 | timeless | ferenc? |
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| 22:24.06 | orm | hey |
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| 23:30.07 | cwong1 | anyone out there knows about how "panning" is implemented? |
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