| 00:01.39 | pupnik | help test games Artemisprime |
| 00:02.07 | Artemisprime | Sue |
| 00:02.13 | Artemisprime | Sure |
| 00:02.23 | Artemisprime | Im on 770 now |
| 00:02.23 | pupnik | kobo deluxe is pretty insane, play with stylus firing |
| 00:02.36 | Artemisprime | Cool |
| 00:02.47 | Artemisprime | Whats th site |
| 00:03.00 | pupnik | pupnik.de/software.html |
| 00:03.11 | pupnik | not a one-click install but whatever |
| 00:03.29 | Artemisprime | Can u type f ull link |
| 00:03.37 | Artemisprime | Im on 770 |
| 00:03.44 | pupnik | k |
| 00:04.09 | pupnik | http://pupnik.de/kobodl.html |
| 00:04.26 | Artemisprime | Thanx |
| 00:04.49 | pupnik | let me know if it's f'd up |
| 00:05.02 | Artemisprime | K |
| 00:05.13 | Artemisprime | Why would it be ? |
| 00:05.55 | pupnik | i didn't spend much time on it |
| 00:06.14 | Artemisprime | Unable to install |
| 00:06.20 | pupnik | ok one sec |
| 00:06.24 | Artemisprime | Imcom pack |
| 00:06.50 | Artemisprime | What pack do need ? |
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| 00:08.28 | pupnik | ok new package uploaded - should fix the installer prob |
| 00:08.34 | pupnik | refresh and reclick |
| 00:08.56 | pupnik | i don't know what the imcom pack is |
| 00:09.24 | Artemisprime | Incompatible package |
| 00:12.33 | pupnik | testing install |
| 00:12.48 | Artemisprime | Ok it install ed do i have to run it frm promt |
| 00:12.54 | pupnik | yah |
| 00:13.08 | pupnik | sry bout that - i still have to learn how to do the menus |
| 00:13.19 | Artemisprime | Cmd ? |
| 00:13.28 | pupnik | and it takes like a year to generate the sound data |
| 00:13.32 | Artemisprime | Its coo |
| 00:13.51 | Artemisprime | Cmd ? |
| 00:14.03 | pupnik | hmm |
| 00:14.07 | pupnik | /usr/games/kobodl |
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| 00:14.19 | pupnik | but the config file makes the game a lot better |
| 00:14.34 | pupnik | i need to put that in the package |
| 00:14.43 | Artemisprime | Hold on |
| 00:14.48 | Artemisprime | Testing |
| 00:15.21 | pupnik | download the .kobodlrc file to the left into /home/user for optimized speed and control settings. |
| 00:15.48 | Artemisprime | What ? |
| 00:16.01 | Artemisprime | I jut want to run |
| 00:16.04 | pupnik | read the stuff on the webpage |
| 00:16.34 | Artemisprime | K |
| 00:17.09 | pupnik | but yeah this game should be one of the first to get a maemo games wrapper |
| 00:17.20 | pupnik | problem is the game generates all the music samples on startup |
| 00:17.36 | pupnik | i've talked to the author and he's interested in adding a feature to cache the music data |
| 00:17.41 | pupnik | so you only generate it once |
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| 00:19.12 | pupnik | anyway once you get it installed and the kobodlrc installed, you can steer with dpad and fire with stylus |
| 00:19.16 | pupnik | and it's a hell of a game |
| 00:20.29 | Artemisprime | Cant run |
| 00:20.43 | Artemisprime | Im in the dir |
| 00:21.05 | pupnik | does it spit out an error message? |
| 00:21.06 | Artemisprime | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:21.19 | pupnik | /usr/games/kobodl? |
| 00:21.28 | Artemisprime | Yes |
| 00:21.40 | Artemisprime | Im in that di |
| 00:21.45 | Artemisprime | R |
| 00:21.49 | pupnik | ah i run it from /home user |
| 00:21.55 | pupnik | and invoke it with /usr/games/kobodl |
| 00:22.03 | pupnik | but that shouldn't make a difference |
| 00:22.10 | pupnik | does it spit out an error? |
| 00:22.28 | Artemisprime | Not found |
| 00:22.39 | pupnik | ok |
| 00:22.41 | pupnik | type |
| 00:22.41 | pupnik | cd |
| 00:22.43 | pupnik | then type |
| 00:22.44 | Artemisprime | But i can see when i ls |
| 00:22.47 | pupnik | /usr/games/kobodl |
| 00:23.05 | pupnik | you invoke the game with the full path |
| 00:23.09 | pupnik | "/usr/games/kobodl" |
| 00:23.12 | Artemisprime | Im in games |
| 00:23.24 | Artemisprime | Dir |
| 00:23.24 | pupnik | yeah but that's not how linux works |
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| 00:23.37 | Artemisprime | Oh |
| 00:23.56 | Artemisprime | So what command ? |
| 00:24.03 | pupnik | look up :) |
| 00:24.17 | Artemisprime | Im on 70 |
| 00:24.22 | Artemisprime | Hehe |
| 00:24.27 | pupnik | /usr/games/kobodl |
| 00:24.29 | pupnik | for the fourth time |
| 00:24.31 | pupnik | for the fourth time |
| 00:24.33 | pupnik | /usr/games/kobodl |
| 00:24.47 | Artemisprime | Ill try |
| 00:26.29 | Artemisprime | Ok |
| 00:26.56 | Artemisprime | Crashed |
| 00:27.06 | Artemisprime | Ill try o sonf |
| 00:27.14 | Artemisprime | No sound |
| 00:27.42 | pupnik | interesting |
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| 00:29.10 | pupnik | requires |
| 00:29.12 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:29.12 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:29.12 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:29.12 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:29.14 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:29.17 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:29.19 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:29.22 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:29.24 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:29.27 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:29.29 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:29.32 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:29.34 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:29.37 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:29.39 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:29.42 | pupnik | walp i found a few things to fix now |
| 00:30.54 | Artemisprime | Loaded |
| 00:31.02 | Artemisprime | Bu crashe |
| 00:31.12 | pupnik | wow! |
| 00:31.25 | Artemisprime | Loded abort game ? Scrreeen |
| 00:31.33 | Artemisprime | And froze |
| 00:31.46 | Artemisprime | Bak o trm |
| 00:31.55 | pupnik | ok |
| 00:32.03 | Artemisprime | Use nosound option |
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| 00:32.12 | Artemisprime | To load |
| 00:32.24 | pupnik | ok |
| 00:32.53 | pupnik | hmm no ideas yet why |
| 00:33.19 | Artemisprime | Dunn |
| 00:33.25 | Artemisprime | O |
| 00:34.20 | pupnik | testing a new build here |
| 00:34.31 | pupnik | thanks - you're the *first* person to test this |
| 00:34.51 | Artemisprime | Cool |
| 00:34.55 | pupnik | so it helps a lot |
| 00:34.59 | Artemisprime | :) |
| 00:36.20 | pupnik | did it spit out errors when crashing? or just say 'segfault'? |
| 00:37.31 | Artemisprime | I may have exites |
| 00:37.57 | Artemisprime | It says switchin to single buffer mode |
| 00:38.20 | Artemisprime | I cant do anything with stylus |
| 00:38.31 | Artemisprime | I cant fie |
| 00:38.35 | Artemisprime | Fire |
| 00:38.54 | pupnik | ok yeah firing only works with the .kobodlrc downloaded into your /home/user |
| 00:39.05 | pupnik | i have to figure out how to put that into the package |
| 00:39.33 | Artemisprime | Ow can i put it there |
| 00:40.05 | Artemisprime | ? |
| 00:40.37 | pupnik | download it from the webpage with browser |
| 00:40.49 | pupnik | and put it in /home/user |
| 00:40.59 | pupnik | i don't see how to automatically install it yet |
| 00:41.53 | Artemisprime | It opens it |
| 00:41.58 | Artemisprime | Like text |
| 00:42.11 | Artemisprime | How save ? |
| 00:42.16 | pupnik | ah damn... can you hold the stylus down on the link to get a 'download to file'? |
| 00:42.21 | pupnik | hold stylus down maybe 3 seconds |
| 00:43.26 | pupnik | ah no opera can't do it! |
| 00:43.30 | pupnik | curses!!!!! |
| 00:43.35 | Artemisprime | I can only put it in fake folders |
| 00:43.45 | Artemisprime | Predefind noki |
| 00:43.59 | Artemisprime | Documentsetc. |
| 00:44.02 | pupnik | yes i see |
| 00:44.09 | pupnik | i tried just now also |
| 00:44.33 | pupnik | heh sorry! |
| 00:44.43 | pupnik | i need to make kobo package install the rc file |
| 00:45.02 | Artemisprime | Inded |
| 00:45.28 | Artemisprime | Can i copy from documents |
| 00:46.28 | pupnik | yes if there's any way to copy .kobodlrc to /home/user you are set |
| 00:46.50 | pupnik | of course why nokia hides /home/user i do not know |
| 00:46.53 | pupnik | it is like microsoft |
| 00:47.00 | pupnik | "lets hide the real system from the user!" |
| 00:47.11 | Artemisprime | Hehe |
| 00:47.19 | pupnik | "the user must only save to documents!" |
| 00:47.23 | pupnik | computer nazis |
| 00:47.27 | Artemisprime | Yep |
| 00:47.38 | Artemisprime | But this is worse |
| 00:47.48 | Artemisprime | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:47.54 | pupnik | but is my responsiblity to make a usable kobodl - with menu and so forth |
| 00:48.15 | pupnik | so whenever you get the rc into /home/user it should be very playable |
| 00:50.07 | pupnik | i have to change the exit confirmation to not require a "y" key, but exit on dpad-enter also |
| 00:51.48 | Artemisprime | Ant i just copy frm documents foder tousr/home |
| 00:52.07 | pupnik | ty |
| 00:52.08 | pupnik | yes |
| 00:52.38 | Artemisprime | Wat is doument path |
| 00:53.45 | pupnik | /home/user/MyDocs ? |
| 00:53.56 | Artemisprime | Coo |
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| 00:55.33 | Artemisprime | Icant save it |
| 00:55.49 | Artemisprime | Cuzof the chars |
| 00:56.53 | pupnik | because of the "."/\ |
| 00:56.55 | pupnik | ? |
| 00:57.39 | Artemisprime | I renamed |
| 00:57.44 | Artemisprime | Its ok |
| 00:58.42 | Artemisprime | Can cd to home/usr |
| 00:59.18 | pupnik | user not usr |
| 00:59.23 | pupnik | cd /home/user |
| 01:00.03 | Artemisprime | Cant cd to mydocs now |
| 01:00.10 | Artemisprime | Im in user |
| 01:00.48 | pupnik | capitalisation is important |
| 01:00.57 | Artemisprime | K |
| 01:01.03 | pupnik | MyDocs |
| 01:01.48 | Artemisprime | Ok im in |
| 01:01.54 | Artemisprime | But no l |
| 01:02.01 | Artemisprime | S |
| 01:02.11 | Artemisprime | Shows up nothing |
| 01:03.47 | pupnik | ls -a should show maybe .documents |
| 01:05.27 | Artemisprime | I think it saved as .htm |
| 01:05.42 | Artemisprime | Rename and copy ? |
| 01:05.55 | pupnik | yeah |
| 01:06.01 | pupnik | should be named .kobodlrc |
| 01:06.41 | Artemisprime | Cmds ? |
| 01:06.57 | pupnik | mv filename /home/user/.kobodlrc |
| 01:07.09 | pupnik | where filename is whatever the file is |
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| 01:07.38 | Artemisprime | K |
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| 01:11.26 | Artemisprime | Think it worke |
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| 01:17.17 | Artemisprime | Still cant fire |
| 01:17.29 | pupnik | do you get fullscreen display now? |
| 01:17.33 | Artemisprime | Must not have workes |
| 01:17.38 | Artemisprime | Nope |
| 01:17.51 | pupnik | with .kobodlrc in /home/user you should see fullscreen game |
| 01:18.04 | Artemisprime | It said the cmd was success |
| 01:18.10 | Artemisprime | Noo error |
| 01:20.02 | Artemisprime | .Kobodl is in the di |
| 01:20.52 | Artemisprime | My batt is gunna die |
| 01:21.11 | Artemisprime | Well haveto do this later |
| 01:21.21 | pupnik | ok will have a new version to download soon |
| 01:21.35 | Artemisprime | Ill keep playin wih it |
| 01:21.48 | Artemisprime | Now that i know cmds |
| 01:21.54 | Artemisprime | :) |
| 01:22.01 | Artemisprime | Thanx |
| 01:22.11 | Artemisprime | Night |
| 01:23.19 | pupnik | cu |
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| 01:45.46 | pupnik | new kobo deluxe - installable with app manager, playable/exitable without keyboard |
| 01:47.22 | mgedmin | oooh, kobo deluxe |
| 01:47.22 | _Monkey | kobo deluxe is addictive |
| 01:48.40 | pupnik | just needs menu and maemo-game wrapper now |
| 01:48.53 | pupnik | oh and it still taked 3 minutes to generate music data |
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| 01:49.11 | pupnik | but it's fast and addictive |
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| 03:39.11 | cein | is it just that it's not ported yet or are there technical constraints? |
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| 07:28.55 | pupnik | Any graphics artists out there? Here are the controls needed for onscreen buttons / thumb/stylus for xu4 |
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| 08:19.54 | Big_B | How can i build dev package for N700 ? please anybody tell me. |
| 08:23.27 | onion | Big_B: dev package of what ? |
| 08:25.53 | Big_B | for maemo +n700 device |
| 08:26.07 | pupnik | dev or deb? |
| 08:26.16 | Big_B | oh sorry deb |
| 08:26.40 | pupnik | apt-get source <packagename> to get sources |
| 08:27.00 | pupnik | in scratchbox, dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b in the source directory to build the package |
| 08:27.29 | Big_B | Pupnik : ok |
| 08:27.54 | Big_B | I m following your instruction Pupnik |
| 08:28.23 | Big_B | Please continue to help me |
| 08:28.36 | pupnik | to apt-get a source you will need deb-src defined in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 08:29.08 | pupnik | just for example, deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free |
| 08:29.44 | pupnik | but that will get you sid packages, you might be better off getting older packages |
| 08:31.04 | Big_B | ok |
| 08:32.19 | pupnik | those commands also make good additions to search terms for google, if you need to read up on more background information |
| 08:32.37 | pupnik | porting? |
| 08:32.38 | _Monkey | porting is http://test.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_porting_an_existing_application.html |
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| 08:36.16 | Big_B | ok |
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| 08:54.39 | Big_B | Hi lardman !!!! |
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| 08:59.08 | lardman | hi Big_B |
| 09:04.42 | Big_B | Lardman : you helped me a lot , thanks a lot for that. Now i m going to build deb package for N700 . |
| 09:04.56 | lardman | Big_B: Really, what did I do? |
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| 09:05.21 | Big_B | ohhhhhhhhhh. |
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| 09:05.53 | Big_B | you helped me to integrate libjpeg eith my project |
| 09:05.59 | Big_B | with |
| 09:05.59 | lardman | ah, okay |
| 09:06.20 | lardman | glad to help |
| 09:06.41 | Big_B | ya |
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| 09:07.20 | Big_B | Pupnik is now helping me. |
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| 09:36.09 | pupnik | i am? :) |
| 09:37.17 | flip^ | is there any decent calendar (with or without todo) software for a n800, that will sync up (preferably in both directions) with something online? tbh, I've been trying to find the same for Windows for weeks with no real success either :( |
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| 09:41.52 | pupnik | gpe? flip^ ? |
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| 09:45.19 | flip^ | pupnik: I'm told that can pull down an iCal file - though I've not explored enough to find out - but I don't think it can publish changes back again |
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| 10:29.37 | pupnik | dunno - there is definitely room for coordination on better pim/calendar |
| 10:29.47 | pupnik | maybe you can join a subgroup of people who want to make this better |
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| 10:33.17 | flip^ | If I could get my head round developing for maemo, I might put something together. Shame I hate ical though |
| 10:33.21 | flip^ | I wish I could do java on maemo :( |
| 10:34.01 | pupnik | it's probably not a one-person job |
| 10:34.12 | pupnik | well even you know - testing and stuff helps |
| 10:34.17 | flip^ | well, yeah |
| 10:34.55 | flip^ | before I scheme anything like this on maemo, I need to get myself set up to develop... in theory I downloaded the VMWare appliance that's ready to go last night tho |
| 10:35.00 | flip^ | waiting for me when i get home from work today |
| 10:35.52 | pupnik | :) |
| 10:36.15 | pupnik | i started with the 'low hanging fruit' and then just kept finding more and more of it |
| 10:36.51 | flip^ | It's ages since I touched C/C++ stuff though... I'm dreading it a little |
| 10:37.10 | pupnik | yeah same here - was about 10 years |
| 10:37.47 | pupnik | erm no come to think of it, 18 |
| 10:37.50 | flip^ | To think the fact it's about 5 years since I shifted to Java makes me feel old :( |
| 10:37.59 | flip^ | 18 years ago I might have been playing with "My First Computer" ;) |
| 10:40.23 | pupnik | hmm... time |
| 10:40.28 | pupnik | yep, it's still moving on |
| 10:42.11 | flip^ | so, given i've not even had a chance to touch it yet, would developing for maemo be best described as "a breeze" or "a painful experience", or some other amusing parallel |
| 10:42.41 | pupnik | i'll let you know when i develop something |
| 10:43.11 | pupnik | i'm just slowly getting my feet wet in sdl |
| 10:43.47 | pupnik | but if you want to play with adapting gtk programs to hildon... |
| 10:43.57 | pupnik | http://pupnik.de/mtpaint.html |
| 10:44.06 | pupnik | http://pupnik.de/touchmegames.html |
| 10:44.14 | pupnik | those would be fairly straightforward afaict |
| 10:44.40 | pupnik | i did the first hildonization steps for touchmegames with just a couple hours of howto reading |
| 10:50.41 | flip^ | yeah, i expect I'll start by trying to port some easy stuff... starting with recompiling command line things, and working up through gtk things |
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| 11:33.45 | Jaffa | flip^: see also http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org/ |
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| 11:35.50 | flip^ | ooh, had my hopes up that would be a throwback to my mudding days, but it's just as cool in its own geeky way |
| 11:38.35 | erstazi | flip^: heh, nothing wrong with mudding though (: |
| 11:39.29 | flip^ | i know, it just seems to have been a dying trend... my mud used to have dozens of players on, but now only one or two look in on it each week :( |
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| 11:40.30 | erstazi | flip^: oh I thought you meant field hopping (: |
| 11:40.46 | erstazi | flip^: now I see the links (: |
| 11:41.01 | flip^ | i was definitely being geeky. something about the atmosphere brings it out of me |
| 11:41.07 | flip^ | probably cos i'm stuck at work and quite bored |
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| 11:50.13 | pupnik | muds ruined one semester of my college |
| 11:50.39 | alterego | :) |
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| 11:51.04 | flip^ | yeah, i know that feeling |
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| 11:52.12 | xand | hi, after running kismet (and quitting it), I can no longer connect using the connection manager unless I reboot -- it doesn't even search for wireless networks; is there something I can do to fix this? |
| 11:57.59 | alterego | Yay for sshfs! |
| 11:58.28 | alterego | I wonder if this will work in scratchbox .. |
| 12:04.31 | cosmo | is there fuse already for maemo? |
| 12:05.03 | alterego | Don't know. |
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| 12:05.22 | alterego | I might port it over and package it if there isn't. |
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| 12:08.33 | cosmo | that would be nice. and then some nice python gui for managing sshfs shares.. |
| 12:13.11 | alterego | Ruby GIU |
| 12:13.13 | alterego | ~GUI |
| 12:13.14 | infobot | i guess gui is (Graphical User Interface) Any system that uses graphics to represent the functions of a program. All Windows operating systems are GUI. or point-and-drool, double-click, drag-and-drop, ... or at http://pla-netx.com/linebackn/guis/index.html. Of course Real Programmers use the command line interface. See cli |
| 12:13.28 | alterego | I was planning on writting a "Connect to" like app |
| 12:13.41 | alterego | Like that in the "Places" menu under Gnome |
| 12:14.07 | cosmo | alterego: yep, that would be really nice |
| 12:14.44 | cosmo | and some tool that you could use to remount sshfs shares if you get disconnected |
| 12:15.03 | alterego | Yah |
| 12:15.27 | alterego | You see .. I was going to use GnomeVFS, but the Ruby bindings for it don't have any documentation at all. |
| 12:15.45 | cosmo | maybe even remount tham automatically when network connection is available. there's dbus message for it |
| 12:15.59 | alterego | I guess making a dedicated tool would be fine. |
| 12:16.14 | alterego | cosmo, all good ideas :) |
| 12:17.23 | cosmo | and something to remember passwords like gnome-vfs can do but sshfs doesn't (unless you do keyless authentication by hand) |
| 12:17.49 | alterego | Yah |
| 12:17.57 | alterego | Well, remembering passwords is easy. |
| 12:18.12 | alterego | I'm suprised Maemo doesn't have a universal credential system. Maybe that's something it needs :) |
| 12:18.34 | cosmo | btw gnome-vfs sftp support is very buggy compared to sshfs, and only gnome-vfs apps can use it |
| 12:18.42 | alterego | Yeah |
| 12:21.28 | alterego | I generally don't think GnomeVFS is very highly regarded at the moment. |
| 12:22.53 | cosmo | idea & integration is very good, but at least the sshfs implementation which i would use sucks |
| 12:23.18 | cosmo | and with fuse you can use any application to access mounted shares |
| 12:23.19 | alterego | Well, I've used it a little. I wont now I've got fuse working. |
| 12:24.14 | cosmo | fuse's weakness is lack of good gui and desktop integration |
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| 12:24.28 | alterego | I've got other ideas though for this app. I was thinking, when I first had the idea. Of being able to connect to two different servers, and copy files between them. But directly between them. |
| 12:24.38 | sp3000 | like ftp? |
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| 12:25.56 | alterego | sp3000, ? |
| 12:25.57 | _Monkey | hmmm... sp3000, is this a mockup as well? |
| 12:26.01 | cosmo | i don't think sftp supports that.. but you can always do some kind of hack |
| 12:26.21 | alterego | No SFTP doesn't support it. |
| 12:26.33 | cosmo | alterego: ftp supports server to server transfers |
| 12:26.44 | alterego | Didn't know that. |
| 12:26.48 | alterego | :) |
| 12:27.20 | gla55_ | fxftp'ing commonly known.. was used quite commonly to transfer files between public ftp's for the purpose of moving warez |
| 12:28.00 | alterego | Interesting .. |
| 12:29.22 | cosmo | but anyway simple sshfs mounting would be excellent for maemo.. you could store files on home server and access them via 'net |
| 12:29.38 | cosmo | watch videos over wlan etc |
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| 12:32.05 | alterego | Yeah |
| 12:32.16 | alterego | Well, I'm working on it now. |
| 12:32.27 | alterego | It'll give me a chance to test my hildon bindings. |
| 12:32.40 | alterego | The new and improved hildon bindings .. |
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| 12:40.19 | b0unc3 | hello |
| 12:40.39 | alterego | Hello pupnik |
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| 12:46.36 | pupnik | moo |
| 12:46.42 | alterego | baaaah |
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| 12:47.42 | lardman | kulve: You about? |
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| 12:49.48 | kulve | lardman: yup |
| 12:50.12 | lardman | kulve: you were trying pointer arithmetic weren't you? |
| 12:50.19 | kulve | yup |
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| 12:50.40 | lardman | is the dsp memory addressed in 16bit chunks then? |
| 12:51.05 | lardman | I'd assume it would be, as nothing smaller can be used |
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| 12:57.30 | kulve | yeah, I think it is |
| 12:57.55 | kulve | (i.e. I would guess so) |
| 12:57.57 | lardman | I suppose it doesn't matter as if I have a char/int pointer, it will be incremented by sizeof(char) anyway |
| 12:58.56 | kulve | sizeof(char) == 1 |
| 12:59.10 | lardman | yes, and ==16bits |
| 12:59.23 | kulve | yeah |
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| 13:00.53 | lardman | I finally worked out that dsp_dld sends syslog messages |
| 13:01.27 | lardman | makes debugging a new dsptask a lot easier than my previous "look at the code even harder for the mistake" method :) |
| 13:02.33 | lardman | It's interesting that the tremor lowmem nobyte code still uses char pointers for things, seems to be that sort of assumes byte sizes |
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| 13:04.17 | kulve | you mean debug messages from dsp tasks? |
| 13:04.38 | kulve | or some debug messages produced by dsp_dld? |
| 13:04.41 | lardman | no, from the loader itself - when you try to open a task on the ARM side and get -1 as the answer, it tells you why |
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| 13:04.48 | kulve | ah, ok |
| 13:05.06 | kulve | I got my tasks usually loaded up ok, they just might not do anything ;) |
| 13:05.12 | lardman | :) |
| 13:05.30 | lardman | I was pulling my hair out getting odd messages in dmesg |
| 13:05.35 | lardman | and -1 from open() |
| 13:06.52 | lardman | I'll add that tip to the wiki page |
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| 13:09.40 | lardman | I've decided to strip the asm out of the vorbis task (it's for the C54 and I keep seeing worrying warnings, plus it's caused some symbol errors) |
| 13:10.18 | lardman | but now I need to fix the Tremor CRC routines that were previously asm, so they can handle 16bit chunks at a time |
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| 13:13.51 | lardman | hmm, no derf, any other vorbis experts about? |
| 13:15.06 | kulve | c55 should read c54 asm, if it's told that it's c54 asm. Iirc. |
| 13:15.40 | lardman | yes, but there are supposed to be things one needs to setup |
| 13:15.55 | lardman | and I wasn't too clear on how that would affect me |
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| 13:16.25 | lardman | plus the assembler spits out an awful lot of "check this c55 errata as it might not behave as designed" messages |
| 13:17.53 | lardman | I'm tempted to leave the crc stuff as asm though, and see if it will work |
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| 13:23.07 | lardman | annoyingly oggpack_look is one that probably needs to be fiddled with to allow for 16bit char pointers, and is also the asm that was causing an error |
| 13:23.21 | lardman | this instruction for example: FCALLD #L$$SRU |
| 13:24.00 | lardman | produces an undefined variable (or something like that) error for L$$SRU, which is defined as .global L$$SRU |
| 13:24.52 | lardman | curiously this var is not set as far as I can tell |
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| 13:33.01 | lardman | http://pastebin.com/d69cceb7b anyone care to take a look and see what effect larger-than-8bit-chars would have on this code? |
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| 15:19.31 | Mikho | hello. Is there some place where I could easily check what the gtk stock images in 770 look like? |
| 15:21.18 | ||cw | other than in the theme packages? |
| 15:21.53 | alterego | Uh oh .. |
| 15:21.58 | Mikho | I'm using libglade, but the icons in glade3 look different than in the application |
| 15:23.30 | Mikho | it depends on the current theme package? |
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| 15:23.45 | alterego | If they're default icons .. Yes. |
| 15:23.52 | Mikho | argh |
| 15:24.23 | alterego | O_o |
| 15:24.30 | alterego | If you don't like it, use your own icons :) |
| 15:24.55 | Mikho | so, it's not a good idea to use gtk-cancel even if the picture fits my context, since the icon might change to something completely different in a different theme |
| 15:26.57 | flip^ | is there anywhere out there that has other themes available for an n800? I have the 4 stock themes, and that's about all i can find for it |
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| 15:42.31 | alterego | scratchbox doesn't like being installed into a seperate partition .. |
| 15:42.56 | alterego | Well, more like .. It doesn't like being _uninstalled_ from a seperate partition ^_^ |
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| 15:43.58 | mgedmin | eh? |
| 15:44.19 | alterego | It complains that it can't remove the /scratchbox directory because it's mounted. |
| 15:44.20 | mgedmin | I suspect scratchbox's bind mounts might interfere with naive uninstalling |
| 15:44.25 | mgedmin | yep, bind mounts |
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| 15:54.11 | guardian | it does |
| 15:54.18 | guardian | don't delete /scratchbox blindly |
| 15:55.09 | guardian | as far as i remember you have to launch "/scrachtbox/sbin/sbox_ctl stop" first |
| 15:55.31 | guardian | flip^: i don't think there are much themes out there |
| 15:55.55 | flip^ | me either, except some valentines thing |
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| 16:40.00 | dorto | does anybody use the maemo live cd? is it stable? |
| 16:40.23 | dorto | or installing the scratchbox in debian/gentoo/slackware would be preferrable? |
| 16:41.19 | `0660 | at least installing to debian is possible :) |
| 16:41.43 | `0660 | it always breaks with /etc/resolv.conf but that one is easy to fix :) |
| 16:42.10 | dorto | ok :) |
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| 16:42.55 | `0660 | at least it shouldn't break anything |
| 16:43.16 | alterego | Cool .. I can now ssh into my tablet as 'user' :) |
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| 17:44.16 | Troseph | Connect to a Samba share from your n770. Is it possible? |
| 17:45.01 | alterego | Troseph, with fuse. YES! |
| 17:45.06 | alterego | :) |
| 17:45.12 | alterego | I'll upload the packages shortly :) |
| 17:45.21 | Troseph | Sweet. Now how do I do it. :) |
| 17:45.28 | alterego | Wait for my packages :) |
| 17:45.33 | Troseph | Sounds good |
| 17:45.45 | Troseph | i less than three you alterego |
| 17:46.16 | alterego | Sorry? |
| 17:46.25 | Troseph | lol <3 |
| 17:46.37 | alterego | Oh., haha |
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| 17:52.20 | alterego | Oh, you want it on the n770 |
| 17:52.30 | alterego | I'm gonna have to work on that. |
| 17:52.55 | alterego | But don't worry, it should be ready in a few hours at the most :) |
| 17:54.02 | [31d1] | why do i already have fuse on my 770? |
| 17:54.33 | [31d1] | or is your package for smb via fuse |
| 17:55.10 | alterego | Yeah, someone has already ported fuse. |
| 17:55.31 | troseph | ok |
| 17:55.48 | troseph | I'll wait for your package. |
| 17:55.49 | alterego | But it's for scirocco |
| 17:55.59 | troseph | ? |
| 17:56.07 | alterego | No idea when it was last updated/. |
| 17:56.13 | troseph | I am running OS2007 |
| 17:57.19 | alterego | Well, you could try his packages. |
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| 18:00.42 | cosmo | whee, got bluetooth keyboard working with 770 |
| 18:00.50 | cosmo | now where i can download openoffice |
| 18:00.58 | alterego | Hahah |
| 18:01.17 | ||cw | OOo is too fat for it |
| 18:01.26 | cosmo | abiword? |
| 18:01.27 | ||cw | aniwrod and gnumeric work well though |
| 18:01.31 | alterego | Wasn't there a port of Abiword and Gnumeric? |
| 18:01.35 | ||cw | yes |
| 18:01.42 | alterego | Nice |
| 18:02.04 | alterego | I didn't find them last time I went looking# |
| 18:02.20 | ||cw | they aren't in the downloads on maemo.org? |
| 18:02.38 | alterego | In the garage? |
| 18:02.50 | cosmo | indt has abiword |
| 18:02.51 | alterego | I couldn't find it in the Garage when I looked last. |
| 18:03.31 | ||cw | gnumeric is in the d/l |
| 18:04.00 | alterego | Yeah, I think it was Abiword I couldn't find. For the N800 |
| 18:04.12 | cosmo | hm, indt version is for n800 |
| 18:04.30 | ||cw | abi isn't in the downloads at all |
| 18:04.42 | dorto | Is anybody at Nokia working on creating a tool that will save the installed apps and settings that can be restored after OS updates? |
| 18:04.49 | dorto | Any news on that front? |
| 18:05.35 | alterego | dorto, not likely. |
| 18:05.48 | dorto | :( |
| 18:05.49 | alterego | App data you can backup./ |
| 18:05.58 | alterego | But applications you'll just have to remember. |
| 18:06.28 | ||cw | you usualy need to install new versions anyway, and not all are available |
| 18:06.34 | dorto | ok, I will get into the habit of noting down the names and the repository links of the applications before doing an OS update. |
| 18:06.45 | dorto | yeah, right. |
| 18:06.53 | ||cw | is this for 770 or 800? http://www.nl.abisource.com/downloads/abiword/2.3.4/Linux/Maemo/ |
| 18:07.26 | flip^ | cosmo: you can run openoffice on a 770 if you forward it from another box ;) |
| 18:08.06 | cosmo | flip^: oh ok ;) |
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| 18:09.37 | flip^ | Ok... with synergy running on my n800, anyone know how can i stop my Return key from bringing up the thumb keyboard (note, i still want the button to bring it up when i'm not using synergy and a proper keyboard) |
| 18:12.15 | cosmo | damn.. the abisource abiword does not want to install |
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| 18:14.55 | flip^ | xand is my 770 guinea pig, but he doesn't know that yet |
| 18:15.32 | flip^ | ^^ |
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| 18:15.58 | xand | is there a way to make the number keypad on the onscreen keyboard the right way round? with 0 at the bottom... |
| 18:16.11 | xand | silly nokia getting all confused there :) |
| 18:17.15 | cosmo | btw i can recommend logitech dinovo edge keyboard, works also 100% on ubuntu |
| 18:17.29 | cosmo | even the volume thing |
| 18:18.24 | troseph | my apple keyboard works fine |
| 18:18.36 | troseph | with some work |
| 18:18.37 | flip^ | gah, every time i press return on my (normal) keyboard, even with the thumb keyboard turned off, it brings up the onscreen keyboard rather than doing a character return |
| 18:18.48 | flip^ | this makes synergy much less useful |
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| 18:34.56 | t_s_o | hmm, synergy on a N800?! |
| 18:36.13 | flip^ | yeah |
| 18:36.36 | flip^ | I've now hacked windows to turn Return into Enter, and it works much nicer |
| 18:38.44 | t_s_o | yep, thats the quick fix i guess. i had the same experience when testing vnc-ing onto my 770 |
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| 18:39.58 | t_s_o | ugh, why is it that some people seems to think that linux will allways be in a "catching up" state vs windows? |
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| 18:40.52 | SE-Wilco2 | Some people aren't aware of Microsoft promising to add features which were in Unix. 20 years ago. Well, MS did finally add subdirectories. |
| 18:41.48 | t_s_o | it seems mostly to have to do with apps, and support for proprietary solutions like ebooks... |
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| 18:42.55 | t_s_o | heh, synergy make me think of the VR5 tv series |
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| 18:43.47 | SE-Wilco2 | That's more like the accountants and startup programmers only being aware of MS tools. |
| 18:44.06 | SE-Wilco2 | I wonder how the OLPC dispersion will affect that. |
| 18:44.34 | guardian | good evening |
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| 18:49.03 | t_s_o | SE-Wilco2: i guess it has some execs scared silly |
| 18:50.53 | SE-Wilco2 | The two-week 1-for-2 OLPC activity will be interesting. I'm sure they'll report the number of sales quickly. |
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| 18:55.40 | t_s_o | strange that synergy do not have a keypress remapping system buildt in |
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| 19:13.27 | saaib | t_s_o, it would be interesting to know what set of standar key mapping synergy should implement :) |
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| 19:26.58 | konttori | interesting news at maemo news. |
| 19:27.39 | alterego | Ooo. New tablet? |
| 19:28.59 | guardian | url konttori please ? |
| 19:29.12 | alterego | Meh, that could be anything. |
| 19:29.27 | flip^ | it has integrated GPS tho :) |
| 19:29.35 | konttori | http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/ |
| 19:29.47 | alterego | Now that is worth upgrading for .. |
| 19:30.00 | flip^ | linux, but not necessarily maemo |
| 19:30.14 | alterego | I'd imagine it's most definitely Mameo. |
| 19:30.16 | alterego | ~Maemo |
| 19:30.17 | infobot | maemo is probably a development platform to create applications for Nokia 770 Internet Tablet and other maemo compliant handheld devices in the future. http://www.maemo.org/ |
| 19:30.24 | pupnik | what is a CNC-ID? |
| 19:30.32 | alterego | I think that's GSM |
| 19:30.38 | alterego | or HSCDC or whatever .. |
| 19:30.45 | guardian | thx |
| 19:30.51 | konttori | when was monkey renamed as infobot? |
| 19:30.54 | flip^ | It's Midinux, rather than Maemo |
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| 19:31.09 | alterego | Hmm, interesting. |
| 19:31.14 | flip^ | still Hildon tho |
| 19:31.14 | alterego | Probably not an Internet Tablet then .. |
| 19:31.21 | alterego | Oh, really? |
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| 19:31.41 | flip^ | www.elektrobit.com/index.php?599 |
| 19:32.07 | t_s_o | hmm, could it be the wimax equiped spint aimed variant? |
| 19:32.27 | SE-Wilco2 | s/monkey/infobot/ |
| 19:33.51 | konttori | what is that elektrobit device? |
| 19:34.03 | SE-Wilco2 | Does someone have a barcode reader to decode what's in the corner of that label? |
| 19:34.06 | flip^ | its the one linked from maemo.org/news |
| 19:34.15 | flip^ | which label? |
| 19:34.34 | SE-Wilco2 | The RX-44 label. http://tabletblog.com/2007/09/third-nokia-internet-tablet-hits-fcc.html |
| 19:35.21 | flip^ | i don't´think its clear enough |
| 19:36.47 | flip^ | nah, can't get anything out of it |
| 19:36.57 | konttori | so, is the tabletblog referring to that EB device? |
| 19:37.02 | konttori | looks really interesting |
| 19:37.18 | flip^ | i dunno... i was looking at maemo.org/news... didn't tablet blog til just then |
| 19:39.08 | t_s_o | that EB device is a oem style device that can be sold under different brands. kinda like how asus makes laptop shells that can be used to create laptops of different brands |
| 19:40.16 | onion | it's ugly... |
| 19:40.21 | konttori | And has Intel chip and linux os. |
| 19:40.29 | SE-Wilco2 | The FCC filing might have a more detailed PDF of the barcode. |
| 19:40.48 | cosmo | i think i know what's the new nokia device, but sorry nda |
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| 19:51.36 | cosmo | EB device looks expensive but nice |
| 19:51.46 | cosmo | if they get a decent user interface for it |
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| 20:01.29 | t_s_o | moblin? |
| 20:02.02 | t_s_o | as in, the interface seen on a benq mid recently |
| 20:06.22 | pupnik | I hope a lot of the people here are working on cool stuff for the next Tablet that they aren't allowed to talk about :) |
| 20:07.02 | pupnik | if only to provide some cosmic balance to those of us who talk a lot and don't do much :P |
| 20:07.25 | t_s_o | heh |
| 20:07.31 | t_s_o | well there is the games ;) |
| 20:08.01 | t_s_o | btw, a certain webpage seems to crash mozilla on my 770 whenever i attempt to access it... |
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| 20:08.53 | KungPhoo | hi |
| 20:11.40 | pupnik | which one? |
| 20:12.37 | t_s_o | yours i belive |
| 20:14.52 | t_s_o | crap crap crap. turned it on, tried to connect it to the wifi. it goes into a reboot, and now it does not transision into the load animation! |
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| 20:15.31 | KungPhoo | is this for nokia 770 / n800? |
| 20:15.45 | KungPhoo | ah - see the topic - sorry |
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| 20:16.11 | KungPhoo | does anyone have a 770 with the hacked OS 7 version? |
| 20:16.14 | t_s_o | and i had it reflashed not two weeks ago! |
| 20:16.52 | KungPhoo | is it bad? |
| 20:17.11 | t_s_o | hmm, unplugging the battery helped ;) |
| 20:17.27 | t_s_o | KungPhoo: my ranting is fully unrelated to os2007 ;) |
| 20:17.36 | KungPhoo | lol. K |
| 20:19.10 | pupnik | t_s_o: that's bad. A coupla days ago i changed software.html and links.html to have fixed backgrounds. That may cause problems? Doesn't here (firefox 2.0.0.6 and opera on the tablet) |
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| 20:19.49 | t_s_o | dont know what it is but neither turning of javascript or images helps |
| 20:20.21 | t_s_o | btw, whats this webcore entry on the "hidden" menus? |
| 20:21.08 | pupnik | well a page like http://pupnik.de/pingus.html should work as they always did. So would index.html. But if software.html causes crashes, i'll undo the fixed background hack. |
| 20:21.28 | pupnik | If you could confirm that, it would be appreciated. |
| 20:22.04 | t_s_o | i aim my bookmark at index.html. or in other words, i dont specify a file |
| 20:22.54 | t_s_o | ugh, thats one confused line |
| 20:23.27 | t_s_o | the bookmark i had was to http://pupnik.de/ so it would be index.html that makes mozilla crash. opera worked fine |
| 20:23.46 | pupnik | what version of mozilla? |
| 20:24.13 | t_s_o | the pingus page worked |
| 20:24.44 | t_s_o | microb 1.0.1 |
| 20:25.17 | alterego | Works fine on my N800 |
| 20:25.23 | alterego | With Opera and MicroB |
| 20:25.57 | t_s_o | interesting, when i entered about:about, i got a error page. but when i enter a url that cant be reached i get a (looped) error message about a missing chrome file... |
| 20:26.16 | alterego | Interesting .. |
| 20:27.18 | pupnik | maybe it's the recursive link i had on there |
| 20:27.21 | pupnik | removed it. |
| 20:27.33 | alterego | Heh |
| 20:27.54 | pupnik | maybe microb does some strange prefetching - i duno |
| 20:28.49 | t_s_o | dont think prefetching is activeated |
| 20:30.09 | alterego | Where do I get libsdl-net? |
| 20:30.10 | _Monkey | rumour has it libsdl-net is http://pupnik.de/libsdl-net1.2_1.2.5-7_armel.deb (IT2006, but works on 2007) |
| 20:30.36 | alterego | Nice |
| 20:32.00 | alterego | pupnik, libsdl-net on your deps page is broken :/ |
| 20:32.10 | alterego | Erm, the link is broken. |
| 20:32.16 | pupnik | ok ty |
| 20:32.21 | t_s_o | well this was unexpected. when i entered http://pupnik.de/index.html the page showed up fine. but going to http://pupnik.de/ made mozilla crash |
| 20:33.22 | alterego | pupnik, and so is _monkey ;) |
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| 20:33.36 | alterego | Could you point me to libsdlnet ? |
| 20:34.23 | pupnik | hrm i understand teh problem with the deps.html |
| 20:34.33 | t_s_o | hmm, im getting very incosisted behavior here. when i opened up the bookmark manager and used that to open the page, it worked fine. but browser crashed when trying to do anything |
| 20:35.06 | alterego | pupnik, the files are not there? :) |
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| 20:37.17 | pupnik | http://pupnik.de/deps/deps.html |
| 20:37.41 | alterego | Hah |
| 20:39.26 | pupnik | the site works great with links, t_s_o :) |
| 20:39.54 | alterego | You don't have a app launcher item :( |
| 20:40.06 | t_s_o | heh, noted. sadly it cant be integrated into the browser ui, not can minimo |
| 20:40.08 | pupnik | you mean .install files? |
| 20:40.21 | alterego | It's not showing up in the application menu |
| 20:40.27 | alterego | How do I run twm? |
| 20:40.48 | pupnik | i just install the debs with dpkg -i |
| 20:40.56 | alterego | Yeah, done that. |
| 20:41.15 | pupnik | for application menus, i hope to get that done by like . christmas |
| 20:41.21 | alterego | Heh |
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| 20:41.25 | alterego | How do I start the game? |
| 20:41.44 | pupnik | xterm - or use load-applet-run to run the command |
| 20:41.45 | t_s_o | ugh, i wish that opera would highlight what link you click on, even if its a image or similar. besides that i dont really need mozilla for much (well, there is the javascript support) |
| 20:41.58 | alterego | Erm. I mean. What's the command?! |
| 20:42.08 | pupnik | for what game alterego ? |
| 20:42.14 | alterego | tmw |
| 20:42.34 | pupnik | tmw |
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| 20:42.40 | alterego | O_O |
| 20:42.45 | alterego | It doesn't work .. |
| 20:42.54 | pupnik | ok lemme see if i scerweedded that up |
| 20:43.19 | pupnik | ~ $ which tmw |
| 20:43.20 | pupnik | /usr/bin/tmw |
| 20:43.28 | alterego | I get nothing .. |
| 20:43.52 | pupnik | if you have an older build, it might be in /usr/games/tmw |
| 20:44.06 | alterego | Nope. |
| 20:44.30 | alterego | Oh wait, yes it is. |
| 20:44.41 | pupnik | yeah i gotta move that to /usr/bin |
| 20:44.46 | pupnik | you can do that yourself, as root |
| 20:44.56 | alterego | Not full screen either :/ |
| 20:45.13 | xela | hey all, can anybody point me to docs about power management in the Nokia 770? |
| 20:45.37 | alterego | And no way to enter user/pass ^_^ |
| 20:45.54 | solmumaha | use xkbd |
| 20:46.54 | alterego | Anychance of a fullscreen version? :) |
| 20:47.23 | solmumaha | it's a config thing |
| 20:47.30 | alterego | Ah |
| 20:47.36 | solmumaha | but i didn't get xkbd working on fullscreen |
| 20:47.46 | alterego | Right |
| 20:51.55 | pupnik | i will look to see if i can get fullscreen toggle going easily/quickly |
| 20:52.19 | pupnik | then you can start in window, use xkbd to login, then play in fullscreen |
| 20:52.42 | alterego | Right |
| 20:52.53 | alterego | Can you use the config so you don't have to enter the details? |
| 20:53.07 | pupnik | oh yeahh |
| 20:53.15 | pupnik | and you can give username/pass from commandline too i think |
| 20:53.18 | pupnik | silly |
| 20:53.20 | alterego | Heh |
| 20:53.25 | alterego | I've not registered though :/ |
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| 21:21.04 | KungPhoo | uhm... how would the n800 compare to the GP2X, maybe? |
| 21:22.19 | pupnik | there are enough games, but it is not a gaming device |
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| 21:31.52 | alterego | Yeah, it's not really got input's for the kind of games you'd normally play on the GP2X |
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| 21:32.42 | KungPhoo | enough power, though? |
| 21:34.32 | KungPhoo | and how compares the 770 to the n800 in case of speed? |
| 21:36.15 | alterego | The N800 seems significantly quicker in my opinion. |
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| 21:45.11 | KungPhoo | how wide is the display in cm? |
| 21:46.05 | disq | very. |
| 21:46.09 | KungPhoo | lol |
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| 21:47.04 | Juhaz | KungPhoo, it's the same display |
| 21:47.11 | t_s_o | about that fcc report earlier. did anyone try to get the barcode of the pdf? |
| 21:47.15 | KungPhoo | I don't have no device, yet |
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| 21:48.25 | pupnik | 4.5 cm? |
| 21:48.38 | pupnik | oh no that's inches |
| 21:48.41 | KungPhoo | that's the 4way dpad? |
| 21:48.44 | KungPhoo | ah |
| 21:49.00 | pupnik | i swear i've gotten diagnoals with the pad |
| 21:49.15 | pupnik | maybe it was a software trick |
| 21:50.28 | pupnik | if you're going to spend more than 30% of your time on the device wishing you could play platform/action games, then i wouldn't advise it |
| 21:50.38 | pupnik | but it's definitely a more useful device than a gp2x of course |
| 21:50.50 | Juhaz | it's about 9x5.5cm |
| 21:50.54 | KungPhoo | no, just an idea. I am the developer from www.glbasic.com |
| 21:51.16 | pupnik | oh nice :) |
| 21:51.33 | pupnik | maybe we'll get gl for the tablets someday |
| 21:51.44 | KungPhoo | i basically want a high resolution bible reader. The n800 seems perfect, but the software is not, yet |
| 21:52.17 | KungPhoo | I support PocketPC and GP2X - n800 shouldn't be much of a problem |
| 21:52.43 | pupnik | ah nice |
| 21:53.38 | KungPhoo | hard decission |
| 21:54.07 | KungPhoo | I could get a Bsquare maui phone with 640x480 for the price of an 770 |
| 21:55.16 | SE-Wilco2 | There is a something labeled a bible reader in Applications list but I haven't tried it. The web browser probably works for local text files, so there are several ways to look at text. |
| 21:55.58 | KungPhoo | I've seen it. It's very minimalistic so far |
| 21:56.15 | KungPhoo | on pocketpc I'd get a full featured program |
| 21:56.55 | KungPhoo | otoh, the display is muuuch smaller and only 640x480 |
| 21:57.48 | guardian | damn, some people have 24 years of development experience and still cannot read ;) |
| 21:58.07 | KungPhoo | sure |
| 22:06.05 | SE-Wilco2 | What can't I read? Or should I write something so I can read? |
| 22:07.31 | KungPhoo | read this: äöüöäö"§$%"§%*' |
| 22:07.44 | SE-Wilco2 | Gesundheit |
| 22:08.10 | SE-Wilco2 | I read it and it started to rain. |
| 22:10.36 | KungPhoo | that was my head banging on the KB. I'd better get some sleep ;) |
| 22:10.36 | pupnik | you forgot to pipe it through 'jive' |
| 22:10.54 | pupnik | What it is! |
| 22:11.14 | SE-Wilco2 | KP's KB not OK. |
| 22:11.42 | SE-Wilco2 | KP's KB not OK and not in OK. |
| 22:12.19 | SE-Wilco2 | Ooooooooooooklahoma! Where the wind comes blowing across the KB. |
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| 22:51.40 | rjt69 | Apparently, the Nokias are not powerful enough for OpenOffice ... so i guess this might not be the place to ask for handwriting capabilities in OO. |
| 22:52.05 | guardian | what do you mean by handwriting capabilities in OO ? |
| 22:52.25 | rjt69 | Does anybody have a gauge on optimizations that can be done in OpenOffice compilations to make smaller and faster for Nokia. |
| 22:53.11 | rjt69 | When you want to handwrite into OpenOffice, you can do it? Handwriting recognition into text. |
| 22:53.26 | guardian | why can't you ? |
| 22:53.41 | guardian | i guess the input method is available to open office, although i did not try it on the tablet |
| 22:53.51 | ds2 | what about a graffiti1 type input method for maemo? |
| 22:54.12 | mikem23 | oo.org is so bloated now, I doubt you could make it fit on the nokia |
| 22:54.23 | rjt69 | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2007-09-25.log.html#t2007-09-25T21:07:26 seems to indicate OpenOffice is too big. Discussion recommends AbiWord. |
| 22:54.55 | rjt69 | i don't have a Nokia at the moment so i don't know what is capable / not capable. |
| 22:55.23 | guardian | ds2: what about natural handwriting recognition instead ? :) |
| 22:55.45 | ds2 | guardian: is there one that works well even on a desktop class CPU? |
| 22:56.02 | guardian | sure |
| 22:56.13 | ds2 | name/link? |
| 22:56.19 | rjt69 | i have noticed EmperorLinux touts handwriting recognition, i wonder if OneLaptopPerChild does too. |
| 22:56.33 | guardian | i'm coding it :) |
| 22:57.09 | rjt69 | Guardian, do you have a website for your project? |
| 22:57.27 | guardian | no |
| 22:59.04 | guardian | nite, ++ |
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