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| 00:23.32 | user__ | hi, I have just read a log where anyone told about building emacs on maemo |
| 00:24.11 | user__ | have does anyone done this? |
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| 01:05.41 | saaib | straind, do you know anyone running gnucash in 770 or 800? |
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| 01:17.21 | straind | saaib: No. I'm not familiar with gnucash either. :) |
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| 01:24.11 | sbz | Deformati: on your n770/800 install this apt packages with command line : # apt-get install gcc-3.4-base libgcc1 dpkg-dev |
| 01:24.23 | Deformati | I do not need to install it/ |
| 01:24.26 | Deformati | I need to buiild it. |
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| 01:25.55 | sbz | get the source upstream form the web site and used to ./configure && make && make install, if you want to build it |
| 01:26.58 | sbz | i ough to build in your scratchbox, create binary package and install on your nokia |
| 01:27.30 | sbz | because the compilation on nokia can do really really long |
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| 01:53.56 | Deformati | sbz: I understand that, but I would still like to get it working. |
| 01:54.08 | Deformati | sbz: What do you mean source upstream form? |
| 01:56.52 | sbz | the tarball from the gcc website |
| 02:08.10 | Deformati | Well yeah, I tried that. |
| 02:08.15 | Deformati | And it failed to build. |
| 02:13.15 | sbz | why recompile it when you can have a binary package which works good ? do you are a gentoo user ? |
| 02:14.31 | Deformati | No. |
| 02:14.51 | Deformati | Lets see if I can explain this well. |
| 02:14.59 | Deformati | I need to get GDC working. |
| 02:15.09 | Deformati | GDC is GCC with D language support. |
| 02:15.19 | Deformati | But in order to build GDC I need to be able to build GCC. |
| 02:15.22 | Deformati | Make sense? |
| 02:15.24 | unique311 | man, i just watched a movie that almost made me want to cry...... |
| 02:15.38 | Deformati | Hi unique311 |
| 02:15.41 | unique311 | I'm depressed now |
| 02:15.47 | unique311 | whats up Deformati |
| 02:16.09 | sbz | okay Deformati |
| 02:16.09 | _Monkey | well, Deformati is not a fan of games. or planning on learning ARM asm |
| 02:16.11 | saaib | unique311, wha't the movie? |
| 02:16.24 | unique311 | ghost of cite soliel. |
| 02:16.48 | Deformati | unique311: Did a few more quick faces. |
| 02:16.53 | Deformati | And now I am drawing fabric. |
| 02:17.01 | unique311 | cool |
| 02:17.11 | unique311 | fabric as in t's |
| 02:17.42 | Deformati | Yeah, just a shirt thrown in some random layout. |
| 02:17.50 | unique311 | i need to watch something to get me out of this mood i'm in. |
| 02:17.58 | Deformati | Draw. |
| 02:17.59 | Deformati | :D |
| 02:18.06 | unique311 | i have designs for t's right now.. |
| 02:18.21 | unique311 | working on a collection..that i can hopefully shop around... |
| 02:18.24 | Deformati | Or, if you want to get really pissed off, try to get gdc working. |
| 02:18.28 | sbz | Deformati: do you have binutils 2.13 ? (see there http://gcc.gnu.org/install/specific.html#arm-x-elf) |
| 02:18.38 | sbz | or more recent |
| 02:20.15 | Deformati | Uh. |
| 02:20.25 | Deformati | That doesn't help me compile gdc. :D |
| 02:21.06 | Deformati | unique311: BTW, I was talking about folds, not designs |
| 02:21.21 | unique311 | folds? |
| 02:22.13 | Deformati | Like, throw some clothing at the wall, all the shadows and organic designs created by that. |
| 02:22.50 | unique311 | never heard of it.. |
| 02:23.06 | unique311 | wikipedia on it? |
| 02:23.35 | Deformati | Uh... |
| 02:24.13 | Deformati | http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Jan-2005/53202-Da-Vinci-small.jpg |
| 02:24.24 | Deformati | i didn't do that one. |
| 02:24.26 | Deformati | xD |
| 02:24.28 | unique311 | ok |
| 02:24.57 | unique311 | i like that. |
| 02:25.22 | unique311 | look like there's a person underneath it. |
| 02:25.33 | Deformati | Yeah, it was one of da vinci's favorite hobbies. |
| 02:25.49 | unique311 | how long did it take you? |
| 02:25.53 | Deformati | He would take a fabric, and draw it several times with the light in different positions. |
| 02:25.56 | Deformati | I did not draw that. |
| 02:25.58 | Deformati | As I said. |
| 02:27.00 | unique311 | i need to start drawing more. |
| 02:27.13 | unique311 | everytime i feel like it is not cutting it anymore. |
| 02:29.07 | unique311 | but resident evil is on my mind right now. |
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| 05:20.04 | pupnik | announcement: i will NOT be compiling 'liquidwar' on maemo |
| 05:22.48 | pupnik | my observations show that it is better to align |
| 05:22.49 | pupnik | writes on 16-byte boundaries at least on Nokia 770. |
| 05:26.21 | pupnik | Updated: Microsoft said Monday it will take the necessary steps to comply with a European Union ruling after an appeal court gave the software giant a stinging defeat. Now Microsoft will have to share code with rivals to ensure interoperability. |
| 05:26.31 | pupnik | http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=6270 |
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| 05:52.40 | saaib | time for bed |
| 05:52.42 | saaib | gnite |
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| 07:30.48 | pupnik | liquidwar built... segfaults on handle_mouse though - looks like liballegro doesn't like the ARM cpu |
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| 08:50.15 | pupnik | _Monkey: Nuvie is the Ultima 6 RPG engine http://pupnik.de/nuvie.html http://pupnik.de/nuvie_ultima6_770_1.jpg |
| 08:50.15 | _Monkey | OK, pupnik. |
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| 11:48.40 | alterego | Anyone had any problems with scratchbox on debian? |
| 11:48.48 | alterego | Using the deb repository. There's no /scratchbox/login script. |
| 11:50.30 | flip^ | i've not even got that far... it just didn't seem to install properly for me, and now i doesn't seem to want to remove or let me add more users |
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| 11:52.56 | alterego | Strange .. It's there now O_O |
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| 12:33.50 | Molagi | pupnik how did you get that Nuvie to run on 770? |
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| 12:39.54 | kpel | hi all |
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| 12:46.11 | dorto | Is Nuvie like Nethack? :) |
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| 12:48.02 | dorto | OK, Nuvie is the engine. Is Ultima 6 like Nethack? |
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| 13:06.03 | Molagi | not really |
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| 13:06.22 | Molagi | i think ultima 6 is a lot better |
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| 13:09.40 | koos | I've add a mimetype in my aps' .destop file and when I click a link in the browser w/ such a mime, it asks to open it w/ my app but next it says 'Unable to open. File format not supported'. Obviously something is missing, but what? |
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| 13:58.34 | toed | vim uses 19mb of disk space? that seems quite high |
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| 14:37.27 | lardman | hmm, dspgateway error messages are somewhat terse |
| 14:38.41 | lardman | Anyone remember the chap who was having troubles playing mp3s, he had an error message like this: "omapdsp: tadd address is ABORTADR." |
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| 14:46.23 | hozano | Hi Folks. How to run the maemo image-viewer using a specified image as parameter from console? |
| 14:47.26 | lardman | what's the image view binary name? |
| 14:47.58 | hozano | image-viewer |
| 14:49.26 | lardman | hmm, no help output, and if you pass a jpg to it, it just hangs |
| 14:50.19 | lardman | probably need to send it over dbus |
| 14:50.23 | lardman | the path that is |
| 14:51.20 | hozano | maybe. |
| 14:51.20 | _Monkey | maybe is a good idea |
| 14:52.22 | hozano | I am developing a file manager, using python... |
| 14:53.11 | hozano | and I wish to open the selected file in such file manager... |
| 14:53.32 | hozano | The maemo file manager do it... |
| 14:54.11 | lardman | see whether anything passes over dbus when you click on a file in the filemanager then |
| 14:54.38 | hozano | But maemo file manager do not show all system folders. |
| 14:55.24 | hozano | How I do it? It is possible using python? |
| 14:57.28 | lardman | well using dbus is: http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus-python/doc/tutorial.html |
| 14:57.59 | lardman | and there's a command (binary) which allows you to listen to the messages going across, so you can work out whether this is how to do it |
| 14:58.06 | lardman | but I can't remember the name; anyone else? |
| 14:58.16 | hozano | dbus-monitor |
| 14:58.24 | hozano | i am run it. |
| 14:58.25 | lardman | that's the one |
| 14:59.32 | hozano | When I open a image file from the maemo file manager, the image filename dont is showed in the dbus-monitor lines... |
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| 15:02.12 | lardman | hozano: No idea then, sorry |
| 15:03.04 | hozano | lardman: Thanks |
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| 15:03.42 | lardman | hozano: Are you sure you're getting all the messages with dbus-monitor? I seem to remember some switches were needed |
| 15:05.00 | hozano | I am not sure. |
| 15:06.13 | lardman | hozano: Just a thought |
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| 15:07.19 | lardman | hozano: Try using --system |
| 15:07.41 | lardman | With that I get some dbus output from the filemanager as it starts the image-viewer |
| 15:08.27 | hozano | lardman: no name again... |
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| 15:13.10 | hozano | when the image viewer is opened from file manager, this strings are showed in the dbus-monitor: |
| 15:13.13 | hozano | signal sender=org.freedesktop.DBus -> dest=(null destination) interface=org.freedesktop.DBus; member=NameOwnerChanged |
| 15:13.14 | hozano | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:14.37 | lardman | Well the name need not be sent as an ascii string |
| 15:14.47 | lardman | it could be an object, though why I've no idea |
| 15:15.16 | lardman | but more likely, there's a seperate communication between the filemanager and the image-viewer, you may need to look at the --session switch |
| 15:15.43 | lardman | I'm assuming --system is broadcast to eveyone, but session is private |
| 15:16.44 | hozano | make sense |
| 15:18.48 | hozano | no references to image-viewer and the image name... |
| 15:19.59 | hozano | Only using --system gets references to image-viewer |
| 15:21.14 | lardman | I've no idea how it works the first time, but if the image-view is already open, you get the following using dbus-monitor --session: |
| 15:21.18 | lardman | method call sender=:1.129 -> dest=com.nokia.image_viewer interface=com.nokia.image_viewer; member=mime_open |
| 15:21.18 | lardman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:22.49 | hozano | hmm, Then I am running dbus-monitor in another session... |
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| 15:33.45 | pupnik | cheers lardman |
| 15:34.23 | pupnik | dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${source:Version} |
| 15:34.33 | pupnik | this is probably a problem with debhelper 4 |
| 15:35.52 | lardman | pupnik: what for? |
| 15:36.23 | pupnik | just a random cheers |
| 15:37.31 | lardman | cheers to you too (I've just opened a beer :) |
| 15:39.25 | hozano | lardman: Thanks for help me. I am go out. Bye. |
| 15:39.34 | lardman | hozano: np |
| 15:40.23 | hozano | I will open my beer. :) |
| 15:40.29 | lardman | :) |
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| 15:43.06 | lardman | aaargh, no way to debug dspgateway loader errors |
| 15:43.12 | lardman | ah, I feel better now |
| 15:43.48 | pupnik | is there a dspgateway guru channel? |
| 15:44.18 | lardman | not sure, I think I'll send an email to the dspgateway-devel list, but I was just trying to figure out any possibilites I'd missed |
| 15:44.49 | lardman | I hope it doesn't come down to needing to patch the kernel |
| 15:45.00 | lardman | to produce more verbose output |
| 15:45.26 | pupnik | yeah |
| 15:46.16 | lardman | I may as well grab the source and see whether I can work out where to add some printks though |
| 15:46.30 | lardman | _Monkey: do you know the url of the maemo source repo? |
| 15:46.30 | _Monkey | lardman: i don't know |
| 15:46.38 | lardman | useful |
| 15:47.03 | pupnik | 823458 Sep 23 16:45 pingus_0.7.1-1_armel.deb \o/ |
| 15:48.55 | skibur | ... |
| 15:52.08 | pupnik | still need an elegant solution for installing game data to mmc on package install |
| 15:52.15 | lardman | _Monkey: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/ is where one can download source packages |
| 15:52.15 | _Monkey | OK, lardman. |
| 15:52.44 | lardman | pupnik: preinst script to produce a simlink? |
| 15:53.03 | lardman | can you not write directly to /media/mmcX ? |
| 15:53.14 | pupnik | yes |
| 15:53.24 | pupnik | but user should be notified of this via dialog |
| 15:53.39 | pupnik | and on n800 some might want mmc2 vs mmc1 on the 770 |
| 15:53.56 | lardman | how do the Nokia warnings work? |
| 15:54.00 | pupnik | so i can probably handle that with a test |
| 15:54.14 | lardman | licence agreements, etc. |
| 15:54.19 | pupnik | i dunno yet - there's a dialog to choose the menu location, so maybe i can use that |
| 15:54.23 | pupnik | good point |
| 15:54.53 | pupnik | i've just never seen an app that lets user choose installation directory - that would involve invoking a filebrowser in the most generic case |
| 15:54.55 | lardman | it seems to be specific to different packages, so it might be useful |
| 15:55.22 | pupnik | yeah a message dialogue would be sufficient i think - informing and giving the option to abort |
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| 16:07.10 | pupnik | pingus: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libX11.so.6: undefined symbol: _XlcI |
| 16:07.21 | pupnik | haha google hasn't seen that before |
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| 16:14.58 | saaib | lol... ircing while shopping groceries |
| 16:15.35 | pupnik | ask the grocer to stock Eichten's Hidden Acres string cheese |
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| 16:53.00 | pupnik | anyone with a 770 to help test The Mana World build ? |
| 16:53.28 | pupnik | getting connection errors to account server, and would like to see if the problem is local to my device |
| 16:54.18 | solmumaha | sure |
| 16:59.23 | pupnik | http://pupnik.de/tmw.html |
| 17:00.25 | pupnik | install the .debs with dpkg -i, then the data file, then the bin file as well |
| 17:00.41 | pupnik | maybe app manager works as well - dunno if i set the section correctly |
| 17:01.10 | pupnik | call me by name if you have a qwuestion - i am chatting in the tmw channel |
| 17:03.34 | pupnik | solmumaha: your testing help would be much appreciated - |
| 17:04.16 | solmumaha | pupnik: ran into some depency-problems |
| 17:04.28 | solmumaha | so i'll need a sec |
| 17:04.47 | pupnik | ok let me know if i forgot to list dependencies |
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| 17:10.49 | b0unc3 | hi |
| 17:10.50 | _Monkey | hey, b0unc3 |
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| 17:14.39 | solmumaha | pupnik: what's the binary called? doesn't start from menu and can't find a .desktop file for it |
| 17:16.03 | pupnik | try /usr/games/tmw |
| 17:16.20 | solmumaha | thx |
| 17:18.35 | solmumaha | ah, needs xkbd |
| 17:18.37 | pupnik | if you don't have an existing account - first click on register |
| 17:18.44 | pupnik | yeah i use synergy for kbd |
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| 17:25.43 | solmumaha | pupnik: seems to freeze on register |
| 17:28.03 | solmumaha | server itself doesn't seem to be down |
| 17:28.11 | pupnik | yes you should be able to get the updates |
| 17:28.29 | pupnik | but then when connecting to account server it will disconnect then keep waiting |
| 17:28.43 | solmumaha | got the updates yes |
| 17:28.49 | pupnik | [17:01:19.81] Trying to connect to account server... |
| 17:28.49 | pupnik | [17:01:19.81] Username is puptest3 |
| 17:28.50 | pupnik | [17:01:19.81] Network::Connecting to server.themanaworld.org:6901 |
| 17:28.50 | pupnik | [17:01:19.87] Network::Started session with 81.161.192.4:62746 |
| 17:28.50 | pupnik | [17:01:24.69] Disconnected. |
| 17:31.59 | pupnik | thanks solmumaha |
| 17:34.48 | solmumaha | doesn't start with the config.xml from your site |
| 17:41.05 | pupnik | wha?! |
| 17:41.29 | solmumaha | complains about the resolution |
| 17:42.00 | pupnik | dangit -- updated the link |
| 17:42.01 | pupnik | thanks |
| 17:42.05 | pupnik | http://pupnik.de/tmw_0.0.23-3_armel.deb |
| 17:46.59 | toed | is there a way to use the cjk handwriting recognition thing without having to switch IM? |
| 17:47.28 | toed | I don't need pinyin input just the h. r. |
| 17:48.40 | solmumaha | pupnik: now xkbd doesn't work :) worked better, but still the account server problem |
| 17:49.08 | pupnik | yes for some reason the n800 tester could connect to account server |
| 17:49.22 | solmumaha | want me to test on n800? |
| 17:49.42 | pupnik | yes! please |
| 17:49.46 | solmumaha | k |
| 17:50.23 | pupnik | i will need to do a dsniff/tcpdump |
| 17:50.37 | pupnik | but having confirmed problem/success will help very much |
| 17:50.44 | pupnik | as that points then to something specific to 770 |
| 17:51.04 | pupnik | but perhaps it is our network/wlan setup |
| 17:51.16 | pupnik | so if it works on your N800, then it is confirmed that it is not the wlan setup |
| 17:51.21 | pupnik | but that it is specific to 770 |
| 17:51.27 | pupnik | so the N800 test will be very helpful |
| 17:54.17 | solmumaha | works with n800 |
| 17:54.36 | solmumaha | quite nicely too |
| 17:54.52 | pupnik | :) :/ |
| 17:55.33 | solmumaha | but xkbd doesn't seem to work in fullscreen |
| 17:55.38 | pupnik | right |
| 17:56.00 | pupnik | something about the sdl window and focus behavior |
| 17:56.34 | solmumaha | could the connection problem be libsdl-net specific? |
| 17:57.11 | alterego | Ooo .. Where's the package? |
| 17:57.18 | alterego | Is this that MMORPG? |
| 17:57.50 | pupnik | yes solmumaha maybe... i'll try to find a different libsdl-net |
| 17:58.55 | Deformati | tmw = the mana world? |
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| 17:59.02 | solmumaha | alterego: my app first ;) |
| 17:59.18 | alterego | I tried your app :P |
| 17:59.22 | alterego | It didn't work :P |
| 17:59.27 | solmumaha | haha |
| 17:59.29 | pupnik | http://pupnik.de/tmw.html alterego |
| 17:59.33 | alterego | I'm working on ruby-libosso now anyway :P |
| 17:59.41 | pupnik | good deal |
| 17:59.53 | Deformati | I thought i saw pupnik somewhere before, I knew you from the mana world. |
| 17:59.53 | Deformati | :D |
| 18:00.13 | alterego | Heh |
| 18:00.17 | alterego | Small world. |
| 18:00.23 | alterego | For people with small devices :) |
| 18:00.36 | Deformati | I have a big device. |
| 18:00.37 | solmumaha | so it's not massive multiplayer... |
| 18:00.38 | Deformati | Kthanks. |
| 18:00.52 | alterego | I like your site pupnik. Though maybe you should make the background image fixed ;) |
| 18:01.47 | pupnik | is the text readable for you? |
| 18:03.01 | pupnik | i don't bother with html much - just whatever i remember from 1996 |
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| 18:03.19 | alterego | Yeah, I can read the text. |
| 18:04.05 | alterego | Unless you're talking about the text in the background ^_^ |
| 18:04.13 | pupnik | mwaha |
| 18:04.43 | pupnik | your right - the software page now scrolls down - it used to fit on the 770 screen :) |
| 18:04.49 | pupnik | 're |
| 18:05.36 | alterego | Ah. |
| 18:06.02 | alterego | I'm not even sure you could call that a hack ;) |
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| 18:09.00 | pupnik | ok 'fixed' |
| 18:13.13 | alterego | chinook beta took ages to install :/ |
| 18:15.53 | solmumaha | anyone with a linux/freebsd/os x desktop/server willing to test my media transcoding app? |
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| 18:17.24 | ericz | what's a2dp? |
| 18:17.24 | _Monkey | it has been said that a2dp is available for N800 with installation instructions here http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8435 or if you want a nice frontend GUI for a2dp after following the instructions on that page, ask trevarthan or disq about Kagu or bluetooth stereo audio. |
| 18:17.50 | ericz | hrm, not on the 770? :-/ |
| 18:18.01 | trevarth1n | no, too much CPU usage. |
| 18:18.27 | ericz | ah, stupid useless verizon bluetooth |
| 18:18.35 | pupnik | solmumaha: do i need ruby on the device? |
| 18:18.44 | solmumaha | yes, sry |
| 18:18.57 | solmumaha | but it's worth it ;) |
| 18:19.15 | pupnik | got a link to howto? |
| 18:19.35 | alterego | You need a howto to install Ruby |
| 18:19.37 | alterego | ??? |
| 18:19.41 | alterego | Just download the packages man! |
| 18:20.16 | ericz | verizon's bluetooth makin' me crazy |
| 18:20.34 | ericz | anybody got DUN working with it.. without paying for data plan |
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| 18:37.12 | alterego | Sod it, I'll just delete the static library in the packaging script .. |
| 18:37.25 | alterego | And man pages .. |
| 18:38.59 | pupnik | heh |
| 18:39.21 | pupnik | heh no configure in vlc-trunk |
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| 18:39.25 | alterego | I can't find the --disable-static option .. |
| 18:40.05 | alterego | I wish there was a list of configure options and make file variables .. |
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| 18:40.13 | pupnik | ./configure --help ? |
| 18:40.25 | alterego | A more comprehensive list ;) |
| 18:40.37 | alterego | --help is fine for common options but it doesn't have everything. |
| 18:40.54 | pupnik | ok depends on the author if they add the specific options to the --help |
| 18:43.53 | ekim|irc- | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:44.08 | ekim|irc- | where can I get the tkinter module for python2.5 for maemo ? |
| 18:46.52 | lardman | Right, school-boy question now: where do I find the syslog output on the n800? |
| 18:48.22 | koos | lardman: cat /dev/null |
| 18:48.53 | lardman | :) |
| 18:49.18 | lardman | where's the binary? In the initfs? |
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| 18:50.50 | lardman | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:52.41 | lardman | So dmesg reads the supposed contents of /var/log/messages (or a circular buffer), what file does syslogd create? |
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| 18:56.26 | lardman | hmm, I've installed sysklogd |
| 18:56.43 | lardman | I need to log messages created by syslog(LOG_INFO,...) |
| 18:56.46 | lardman | should this work? |
| 18:57.26 | lardman | I probably need to fiddle with the conf file, and then tail some text file to which the data are written |
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| 19:07.47 | micky_ | hi |
| 19:08.01 | micky_ | anyone knows where can i buy a n800 in Miami ? |
| 19:08.17 | alterego | nokia.com ? |
| 19:08.19 | alterego | ebay? |
| 19:09.28 | micky_ | i'm in a hurry |
| 19:09.39 | micky_ | can't wait for the mail :-S |
| 19:10.22 | micky_ | I was thinking somewhere i can pick it up |
| 19:10.44 | alterego | O_o |
| 19:11.07 | alterego | Try ringing some places up that you think may have them. |
| 19:11.11 | micky_ | thx alterego, I'll keep looking, bestbuy now circuitcity have them in stock |
| 19:11.21 | micky_ | nor* |
| 19:24.36 | alterego | Woo .. trimmed off 300K .. |
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| 19:43.41 | pupnik | good lord, nothing is running and i have 61MB RAM used and 16MB swap used |
| 19:43.49 | pupnik | can i tell kernel "free up mem please"? |
| 19:44.13 | micky_ | pupnik, there's no need to, that's the way linux/unix works |
| 19:44.16 | alterego | restart ? :) |
| 19:44.25 | pupnik | yeah i hear ya |
| 19:45.02 | flip^ | given scratchbox hates me, i think i need something new to occupy me and play with on my n800 this evening |
| 19:46.08 | solmumaha | flip^: a media streaming app perhaps? :) |
| 19:46.09 | pupnik | echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches |
| 19:48.28 | pupnik | lol @ /proc/sys/vm/swappiness |
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| 19:56.44 | cosmo | hmm https://maemo.org/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=275 |
| 19:57.18 | pupnik | yaay for dpkg-buildpackage -nc |
| 19:59.07 | cosmo | looks like that contains a html file with javascript redirection |
| 20:02.35 | alterego | solmumaha, ruby-dbus package is uploaded. |
| 20:03.05 | solmumaha | k |
| 20:03.59 | alterego | I guess I'm going to have to start consolidating these packages. |
| 20:04.34 | solmumaha | and i need to start reading documentation |
| 20:04.46 | alterego | :) |
| 20:05.21 | alterego | I'm gonna have a little play with the dbus binding for a bit :) |
| 20:05.28 | alterego | See if I can't change the volume ;) |
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| 20:10.23 | alterego | solmumaha, you can change the volume using GConf. |
| 20:11.16 | alterego | Which means I can write a nice daemon to counteract the annoyind volume drop when plugging headphones in .. |
| 20:11.17 | hozano | lardman|drink: I got to open maemo image_viewer using d-bus signaling. |
| 20:12.09 | alterego | solmumaha, '/apps/osso/sound/master_volume' is the gconf path. Can be between 0->100 |
| 20:12.27 | solmumaha | k, thx |
| 20:13.13 | alterego | Thankfully we have a gconf binding in the gnome2 package :) |
| 20:14.55 | solmumaha | i'll test it |
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| 20:15.31 | Thanatermesis | the last firmware looks slow on my n800, like has a "lag" in the responsiveness sometimes, anybody has noticed that ? |
| 20:18.00 | flip^ | only after i've been fiddling and experimenting for a while... normal use it seems ok |
| 20:21.20 | pupnik | i hate the way application manager scans subdirs |
| 20:21.44 | pupnik | i click on something while its scanning, and by the time it registers the click, it has changed the icons |
| 20:23.03 | `0660 | Thanatermesis, i had it when i used the integrated email client |
| 20:23.08 | pupnik | well it's the file-browser whatever |
| 20:23.17 | pupnik | same thing happens with mplayer when selecting a directory |
| 20:23.29 | alterego | MMC or internal? |
| 20:23.49 | pupnik | both |
| 20:23.56 | Thanatermesis | `0660, just exactly what i have used (and configured from first time) some minutes ago |
| 20:25.29 | pupnik | still compiling vlc, solmumaha :) |
| 20:25.58 | Thanatermesis | `0660, do you know if that app is based on other one or if is made from scratch ? |
| 20:26.29 | `0660 | i don't know :/ |
| 20:26.56 | `0660 | i just switched to use claws mail. it's fast |
| 20:33.51 | alterego | Hmm .. They say gtkhtml is installed .. But I don't believe them. |
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| 20:37.38 | solmumaha | alterego: works nicely |
| 20:37.43 | alterego | Cool |
| 20:38.40 | alterego | Any requests after libosso? |
| 20:38.53 | ekim|irc | I have a nokia 770 ... and xchat wont go fullscreen |
| 20:38.57 | ekim|irc | Whats up with that ? |
| 20:39.18 | solmumaha | alterego: xmms2 binds :) |
| 20:39.24 | alterego | O_o |
| 20:39.41 | alterego | Who's going to install xmms2 on a tablet? |
| 20:39.50 | ekim|irc | me |
| 20:39.59 | ekim|irc | is there a package for it ? |
| 20:40.02 | alterego | No |
| 20:40.10 | alterego | Heh |
| 20:40.10 | solmumaha | well not maybe xmms2 but a client |
| 20:40.37 | alterego | A remote control? Or stream? |
| 20:40.46 | alterego | I don't use xmms so I don't really know what you mean :) |
| 20:40.46 | solmumaha | remote |
| 20:40.51 | alterego | Ah, that'd be easy. |
| 20:40.51 | unique311 | solmumaha: visualization works? |
| 20:41.03 | alterego | xmms can have keyboard short cuts right? |
| 20:41.10 | solmumaha | xmms2 is basically a server |
| 20:41.16 | alterego | I was thinking of writing a BT HID client :) |
| 20:41.39 | alterego | So you can use the tablets as an input mechanism for a computer with bluetooth. |
| 20:41.52 | solmumaha | that would be nice too |
| 20:42.08 | alterego | Then you could use it with Winamp ;) |
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| 20:42.14 | solmumaha | xmms2 is very different from the old xmms |
| 20:42.25 | alterego | I'll have a look at it :) |
| 20:42.36 | alterego | My N800 is my media player now .. |
| 20:42.43 | solmumaha | i have it running on server and i control it via that ajax web client |
| 20:42.54 | alterego | Yeah, that's cool. |
| 20:43.04 | alterego | I liked what you did with that. |
| 20:43.23 | solmumaha | could also make a client for tablet, though it works nicely via opera/microb |
| 20:43.42 | alterego | I think after libosso, I'll start work on the future ruby-maemo |
| 20:43.54 | alterego | I.E. chinook and Ruby 2 |
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| 20:50.09 | toed | does anyone have a vlc web interface thing that's a bit more tablet-friendly than the default one? |
| 20:51.23 | solmumaha | for transcoding video? |
| 20:51.58 | solmumaha | or as remote control? |
| 20:52.06 | toed | remote control |
| 20:52.29 | solmumaha | ah, dunno then |
| 20:52.41 | toed | I saw your transcoding thing last night |
| 20:52.44 | toed | :) |
| 20:52.45 | MDK | alterego: there are ruby packages for n800, right? |
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| 20:52.58 | alterego | MDK, yes. |
| 20:53.03 | alterego | N800 and N770 |
| 20:53.10 | alterego | And soon chinook on the N800 |
| 20:53.21 | solmumaha | toed: video or audio? |
| 20:54.16 | solmumaha | i have a web interface for xmms2 on linux/freebsd for audio |
| 20:54.25 | solmumaha | works nicely with n800 |
| 20:55.34 | toed | video, but what's the difference? |
| 20:55.55 | solmumaha | nm then, xmms2 is for audio only |
| 20:56.15 | pupnik | xmms2 wasn't a trivial build |
| 20:56.30 | toed | ah |
| 20:56.35 | pupnik | none of the media players i tried were 'low hanging fruit' |
| 20:57.07 | unique311 | http://woz.org/vids/Woz%20on%20Colbert.mp4 |
| 20:57.10 | pupnik | xmms, xmms2, bmp, bmp2, several different versions etc |
| 20:57.11 | unique311 | wow check this out. |
| 20:57.14 | unique311 | old clip |
| 20:57.35 | unique311 | steve woz is a true geek.... |
| 20:58.27 | MDK | alterego: it would be cool to provide rails + one of the lightweight servers + integration |
| 20:58.28 | pupnik | unique311: - i got a new pingus build fresh from today's 0.7.1 release - would you be able to try it out on your N800? |
| 20:58.45 | MDK | to be able to run rails applications locally, such as wikis etc. |
| 20:59.00 | MDK | there are some stand-alone interesting rails apps |
| 20:59.03 | unique311 | i will.. |
| 20:59.18 | unique311 | later on probably..when i feel like messing with the n800 |
| 20:59.52 | Thanatermesis | what is the better FS to format the MMC card for boot from it ? ext2 ? |
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| 21:00.40 | alterego | That's what they recomment Thanatermesis |
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| 21:09.29 | pupnik | crap, i can't make a symlink of /usr/share/games to /media/mmc1/share/games because dpkg wants to set perms on the files ther |
| 21:09.49 | Deformati | Thanatermesis: jffs2 |
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| 21:12.02 | alterego | You should dual book pupnik all the kool kids are doing it :) |
| 21:12.24 | alterego | Hmmm .. |
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| 21:13.34 | alterego | There was me thinking that the latest 770 ITOS was mistral, but the SDK is gregale .. |
| 21:14.23 | Deformati | Dual booting into what? |
| 21:14.26 | Deformati | PalmOS? |
| 21:14.50 | alterego | Booting off the MMC, gives you more capacity. |
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| 21:15.03 | pupnik | that's kind of painful to watch unique311 |
| 21:15.19 | Deformati | alterego: Why? |
| 21:15.33 | alterego | O_O |
| 21:15.38 | alterego | Bigger root partition |
| 21:15.43 | Deformati | So? |
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| 21:15.49 | Deformati | Mount the mmc as /usr or something. |
| 21:15.49 | alterego | I've got a 1GB rootfs on my N800 |
| 21:15.50 | pupnik | i do dual boot alterego |
| 21:16.02 | Deformati | Why do you need so much space? |
| 21:16.12 | alterego | Why wouldn't I need so much space? |
| 21:16.16 | alterego | Why are you trolling? |
| 21:16.23 | Deformati | I am asking. |
| 21:16.40 | alterego | If you can't see the benifits that's your problem .. |
| 21:16.46 | Deformati | Seems like a lot of people are doing it, and I do not see the benefit. |
| 21:16.54 | alterego | It's safer too. |
| 21:16.58 | Deformati | Howso? |
| 21:17.13 | alterego | I have a small install in flash, so if I break my install I can still use the device. |
| 21:17.26 | pupnik | that's the way to do it |
| 21:17.45 | alterego | You can also install the development rootfs .. |
| 21:17.56 | alterego | Take advantage of cairo and gtk 2.10 etc. |
| 21:18.06 | alterego | It's also quicker. |
| 21:18.14 | alterego | As the filesystem isn't compressed. |
| 21:18.48 | Deformati | Cannot be that much faster, maybe init times, but it needs to be loaded into the ram anyways. |
| 21:18.58 | alterego | Erm .. No |
| 21:19.10 | alterego | Why would it load the rootfs into RAM? That's silly .. |
| 21:19.33 | Deformati | The apps must be loaded into the ram to function. |
| 21:19.34 | Deformati | Well. |
| 21:19.36 | Deformati | I guess not. |
| 21:19.39 | Deformati | But eh. |
| 21:19.40 | Deformati | Whatever. |
| 21:19.40 | _Monkey | whatever is fun for you. More power to ya |
| 21:19.50 | alterego | Yes Deformati but they don't need to be decompressed everytime they're run. |
| 21:20.15 | alterego | Which they are on a jffs filesystem .. Like that you have in flash. |
| 21:20.16 | Deformati | But then you don't take advantage of your dsp. |
| 21:20.23 | Deformati | The dsp is great for decompression. |
| 21:20.36 | alterego | Heh. |
| 21:21.10 | alterego | I think I'd rather it not be done if it doesn't need to be for better performance. I'm not going to lose sleep over not using the DSP ;) |
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| 21:21.56 | Deformati | I guess it would also have lower power consumption if it doesn't have to, but then you have less space for your media. |
| 21:22.11 | alterego | The joys of two SD slots ^_^ |
| 21:22.26 | Deformati | 770 doesn't have those. |
| 21:22.31 | alterego | I know. |
| 21:22.35 | alterego | Shame isn't it. |
| 21:22.42 | alterego | I don't use my 770 :P |
| 21:22.54 | alterego | I got it so I could dev for both devices. |
| 21:24.22 | pupnik | i'd like to make <game>-data.deb packages that can install to the mmc or sd card |
| 21:24.53 | alterego | pupnik, should be possible. |
| 21:25.15 | alterego | Edit your debian/rules to install to debian/<PACKAGE>/media/mmcX |
| 21:25.18 | pupnik | yeah as usual nobody has done it yet |
| 21:25.32 | Deformati | alterego: You haven't managed to compile gcc with armel as the target have you? |
| 21:25.33 | pupnik | that errors out - "can't set permissions" |
| 21:25.37 | Deformati | Everyone seems to use the binarys. |
| 21:25.42 | Deformati | binaries |
| 21:25.43 | _Monkey | binaries are usually in /usr/bin |
| 21:25.48 | pupnik | and it's not part of a postinstall script |
| 21:26.04 | pupnik | so maybe i can overwrite the standard package manager behavior |
| 21:26.15 | alterego | Ah yes, it can't set permissions on a directory in fat .. |
| 21:26.46 | alterego | Deformati, I've not. What's wrong with the cs2005 toolchain? |
| 21:27.04 | Deformati | Because I want to enable another language in the compiler collection. |
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| 21:27.39 | alterego | Ah, |
| 21:28.17 | alterego | Yeah, gcc isn't very modular :/ |
| 21:28.40 | alterego | Hmm .. |
| 21:28.49 | alterego | I'll have a go, what language? |
| 21:29.10 | Deformati | D |
| 21:29.25 | alterego | Wow, D has a gcc mod now? |
| 21:29.31 | alterego | That's cool .. |
| 21:29.35 | Deformati | It has had one for a very long time. |
| 21:29.48 | Deformati | There is work for an llvm frontend as well. |
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| 21:29.56 | alterego | I've not seriously looked into D, I thought it was like mono/C# .. |
| 21:30.07 | Deformati | Nope. |
| 21:31.51 | alterego | You should try Ruby :P |
| 21:32.00 | Deformati | I didn't like it when I tried it. |
| 21:32.20 | alterego | What didn't you like about it? |
| 21:32.27 | Deformati | Too slow, ugly syntax. |
| 21:32.38 | alterego | Rubbish |
| 21:32.43 | alterego | Well, except the slow bit ;) |
| 21:32.56 | alterego | I think the syntax is quite beautiful. |
| 21:32.59 | alterego | Because it's so simple. |
| 21:33.06 | Deformati | D has a lot of ruby's features anyways. |
| 21:33.18 | alterego | I guess you're more into your C like syntax. |
| 21:33.22 | Deformati | And D is compiled. |
| 21:33.24 | alterego | Does D have continuations? |
| 21:33.27 | Deformati | Where ruby needs a vm. |
| 21:33.42 | alterego | I don't see how needing a VM is a drawback. |
| 21:33.48 | alterego | It makes it more portable. |
| 21:34.13 | Deformati | Also adds a dependency. |
| 21:34.14 | alterego | Does D have closures? Iterators? |
| 21:34.27 | alterego | Dynamically typed? |
| 21:34.37 | alterego | Is it fully OO? |
| 21:34.38 | Deformati | D doesn't have closures, but it has delegates, nested functions, etc. |
| 21:34.43 | alterego | That last one was a joke :) |
| 21:35.03 | alterego | What's the point in a nested function if you don't have closures? |
| 21:35.07 | alterego | :) |
| 21:35.13 | Deformati | Well. |
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| 21:35.28 | Deformati | Closures don't really work with native code. |
| 21:35.51 | alterego | I guess the VM comes in handy then .. |
| 21:36.13 | Deformati | Still slow. |
| 21:36.18 | alterego | Not really. |
| 21:36.28 | alterego | Depends what you're doing. |
| 21:36.40 | Deformati | Cannot really make system code in a vm. |
| 21:36.54 | Thanatermesis | Deformati, but aparently jffs2 is not recommended to use because like is a compressed filesystem, the whole system runs more slow |
| 21:36.57 | Deformati | IE, kernel |
| 21:37.02 | alterego | I'd rather be able to develop quickly than have a slight performance increase. Not to mention I can optimize any part of my code in C if needs be. |
| 21:37.22 | Deformati | Thanatermesis: But you will not reach your write cycles, and while it is slower, you get more space. |
| 21:37.43 | alterego | You don't get more space if you have a big memory card :) |
| 21:37.49 | Deformati | alterego: You should try D, I develop more quicky in it than any other language. |
| 21:38.08 | alterego | That's because you don't use Ruby :P |
| 21:38.18 | Deformati | Eh. |
| 21:38.33 | alterego | What about introspection? |
| 21:38.44 | Deformati | I don't know your fancy words. |
| 21:38.44 | Deformati | Heh. |
| 21:38.49 | Deformati | Sorry. |
| 21:38.55 | alterego | :) |
| 21:38.55 | Thanatermesis | alterego, what is the development rootfs ? |
| 21:39.13 | alterego | Maemo 4.0 Thanatermesis |
| 21:39.26 | Deformati | I am not going to argue against ruby because I am not familiar with it, just saying, I like D. |
| 21:39.29 | Deformati | :) |
| 21:39.36 | Deformati | I am warming up to erlang too. |
| 21:39.39 | Thanatermesis | Deformati, that toy don't needs to load anything on ram because don't use hard disks :] |
| 21:40.01 | Thanatermesis | well, i mean that the data is stored on electronical devices, not mecanic ones |
| 21:40.14 | Deformati | Thanatermesis: static storage |
| 21:40.23 | Deformati | Thanatermesis: Take advantage of your dsp. :) |
| 21:40.26 | alterego | D just isn't flexible enough for me. |
| 21:40.35 | alterego | I like languages that are like play dough. |
| 21:40.38 | Deformati | alterego: Why not? |
| 21:42.21 | alterego | D does have closures. |
| 21:42.30 | Thanatermesis | alterego, that sounds nice, i want to try that on that n800, but is of my GF, i need a minimum of stability for she, how much stable is 4.0 ? :) like debian unstable ? |
| 21:42.31 | Deformati | Nuh uh. |
| 21:42.42 | Deformati | It has like, half closures. |
| 21:43.06 | alterego | Thanatermesis, it's not stable at all. |
| 21:43.10 | alterego | Stick with 3.2 |
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| 21:43.21 | Thanatermesis | hurm |
| 21:43.21 | alterego | It doesn't have all the apps either .. |
| 21:43.29 | Deformati | Well, be back later, fooding. |
| 21:43.34 | Thanatermesis | well... maybe i just make dd's of my MMC card to try it :] |
| 21:43.47 | alterego | Urgh .. Class templates .. |
| 21:44.36 | alterego | Doesn't have dynamic class loading .. |
| 21:44.39 | alterego | That's awefull. |
| 21:44.59 | alterego | Yes, definitely not flexible enough for me :P |
| 21:45.53 | Thanatermesis | alterego, what is basically the fast and easy way to compile things ? i want to compile things but i don't to "complicate my life", i don't have much free time to play with this, i just want to make fast compilations :) i don't think that i can do it on a debootstrap of my system correct ? i need to do it on my n800 OR in qemu correct ? |
| 21:45.59 | Deformati | What is dynamic class loading? |
| 21:46.19 | alterego | Thanatermesis, you need to install the SDK. |
| 21:46.44 | alterego | Deformati, if it's what I think it is, it's basically loading a class at runtime, if you need it. |
| 21:46.49 | alterego | But not if you don't. |
| 21:46.59 | Deformati | Well anyways, D has tuples, template mixins, and a few other cool features. |
| 21:47.13 | alterego | It looks just like C++ |
| 21:47.17 | alterego | With a hint of Java. |
| 21:47.20 | Deformati | D has a lot of compile time optimization. |
| 21:47.32 | Deformati | Compile time function evaluation. |
| 21:47.36 | alterego | Great. |
| 21:47.43 | Deformati | alterego: it has a bit of functional programming thrown in. |
| 21:47.52 | alterego | But like I said earlier. Speed is of no concern to me 99.9% of the time. |
| 21:47.53 | Deformati | There is no preprocessor. |
| 21:48.13 | Deformati | Then why do you care about dynamic class loading? |
| 21:48.25 | alterego | So optimizations, compilation to machine code. It's just a waste of time. |
| 21:49.07 | alterego | What has dynamic class loading have to do with speed? It's a feature of dynamic programming. Adapting your program to do something if it needs to be done but not otherwise. |
| 21:49.19 | Deformati | Why? |
| 21:49.28 | Deformati | It will do work for you. |
| 21:49.30 | Deformati | Eh, whatever. |
| 21:49.41 | alterego | It saves memory, or maybe you have several possible classes. |
| 21:49.48 | Deformati | Anyways, you might want to stop in #d, they are much better at comparing languages than I am, I don't know all these fancy terms. |
| 21:49.50 | alterego | And you don't know which one you're going to use until runtime. |
| 21:49.58 | alterego | :) |
| 21:50.10 | alterego | C and Ruby are all I need. |
| 21:50.31 | Deformati | Whatever. |
| 21:50.32 | _Monkey | whatever is fun for you. More power to ya |
| 21:50.40 | alterego | Heh |
| 21:51.34 | Thanatermesis | aloril, exist a better kernel for my n800 ? |
| 21:51.39 | Thanatermesis | ops, alterego i mean |
| 21:51.57 | alterego | Thanatermesis, just flash the latest IT OS2007 release. |
| 21:52.57 | alterego | flip^, what version of debian and were you using the scratchbox repository? |
| 21:53.18 | cosmo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAsSA7X6ZI0 |
| 21:53.23 | alterego | I found it _extremely_ easy to install scratchbox this morning on debian etch using scratchbox.org debian repository. |
| 21:54.03 | pupnik | sidux is the best debian :P |
| 21:54.09 | flip^ | alterego: debian stable, up to date... and yeah, i was using the repository. installed fine, it seemed, but just didn't add any users, and now won't let me as it reckons things aren't in the right places |
| 21:54.23 | alterego | Eh? |
| 21:54.33 | alterego | What on earth have you done :P |
| 21:54.52 | alterego | So you ran /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_adduser <username> |
| 21:55.18 | alterego | Sometimes it errors saying something about /proc/net/ipv4 blah blah |
| 21:55.25 | flip^ | lol, yeah, and it claims its run_once script hasn't run (even though it's sitting in its renamed _done) place |
| 21:55.36 | alterego | Weird. |
| 21:56.06 | flip^ | and if i remove it and put it back on again, even nuking /scratchbox, it just puts itself back in the same state |
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| 21:56.17 | flip^ | and dpkg-reconfigure just throws other errors |
| 21:56.24 | alterego | Hmmm .. |
| 21:56.38 | Thanatermesis | alterego, i say that because aparently i need a special kernel for USB keyboards support |
| 21:56.46 | flip^ | and VMWare seems to hate vista, so i can't get that working either to try from scratch |
| 21:56.53 | alterego | Thanatermesis, not on the N800 you don't. |
| 21:57.02 | alterego | Hahah |
| 21:57.26 | alterego | Hmmm .. |
| 21:57.36 | alterego | What about VMWare Player under debian? |
| 21:57.46 | alterego | Using a maemo SDK root image. |
| 21:58.03 | flip^ | hmm, that's an interesting idea |
| 21:58.22 | flip^ | actually, i'd not pondered firing up VMWare under debian |
| 21:58.42 | Thanatermesis | alterego, no ? why no ? |
| 21:58.52 | alterego | That would have happened to me after I slapped my fore head for wanting to use Vista :P |
| 21:59.25 | alterego | Thanatermesis, oh, you said USB keyboard .. I thought you meant bluetooth ;) |
| 22:00.07 | Thanatermesis | yep, USB keyboard... those are cheap, bluetooth is more beautiful and stuff but... not cheap :/ |
| 22:00.16 | alterego | flip^, try dpkg --purge scratchbox-core |
| 22:00.32 | alterego | Thanatermesis, you'll need a special cable too .. |
| 22:01.11 | alterego | There is a how to somewhere around on the web but I can't recall where. Do a search for N800 USB host mode OTG |
| 22:01.14 | Deformati | I have a usb cable working. |
| 22:01.17 | Deformati | And flash drives. |
| 22:01.35 | Deformati | s/cable/keyboard |
| 22:01.38 | Thanatermesis | alterego, I have a female-female cable converter, plugged to the nokia cable one, then i can plug normal usb devices |
| 22:01.49 | alterego | Thanatermesis, that's handy. |
| 22:02.04 | Deformati | Thanatermesis: That is not enough. |
| 22:02.17 | Deformati | You need upstream power. |
| 22:02.19 | Thanatermesis | i need a HUB stuff aparently, no ? |
| 22:02.28 | alterego | Yeah, a powered hub. |
| 22:02.33 | Deformati | That's one way, yes. |
| 22:02.35 | alterego | Depending how much power your keyboard sucks. |
| 22:02.39 | Deformati | No. |
| 22:02.43 | Thanatermesis | the bad thing of this is that's needed a power supply... |
| 22:02.50 | Deformati | alterego: that is incorrect. |
| 22:02.53 | Thanatermesis | we are on a portable device but we depend of a power suply, lol |
| 22:02.57 | alterego | Deformati, no it isn't. |
| 22:03.08 | alterego | Thanatermesis, you can use a battery pack. |
| 22:03.10 | Thanatermesis | maybe solding a battery connector.. :) |
| 22:03.17 | alterego | Yes, exactly. |
| 22:03.20 | Deformati | The nokia will not recognise that there is a usb cable unless it has upstream power. |
| 22:03.27 | Thanatermesis | alterego, a la McGyver ? i have search this device and aparently not exists |
| 22:03.42 | alterego | What device? |
| 22:03.47 | Thanatermesis | Deformati, and just with the cable and the HUB, the keyboard works directly ? |
| 22:03.50 | pupnik | shoulda called it bluetoof |
| 22:03.58 | Thanatermesis | alterego, a HUB with battery's |
| 22:04.08 | alterego | Just buy a small HUB that has a power input, then build a battery pack with the correct connector. |
| 22:04.12 | Deformati | Thanatermesis: it is more complicated than that. |
| 22:04.31 | Deformati | My statements might be 770 only. |
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| 22:04.37 | alterego | Deformati, they are. |
| 22:04.48 | alterego | The N800 has full OTG host mode. |
| 22:04.54 | Deformati | the USB chip doesn't seem to turn on unless +5 volts is supplied to the tablet's USB port (just like if it were plugged into a computer.) |
| 22:04.55 | alterego | It is capable of powering a device. |
| 22:05.06 | Thanatermesis | alterego, yeah, not sounds hard... but maybe a little geek for a girl with all those cables solded and floating with super-glue lol |
| 22:05.11 | alterego | Yes, that's how the 770 works .. |
| 22:05.32 | alterego | I don't know how much power these USB keyboards suck. |
| 22:05.40 | Thanatermesis | i don't think that sucks much :) |
| 22:05.46 | alterego | But it's possible you can use one without a powered cable .. |
| 22:05.54 | pupnik | meter in series |
| 22:06.09 | Thanatermesis | but if i plug that powered hub stuff... what' more things is needed ? because i have tried that (with default firmware, now its updated) and the keyboard not has work directly |
| 22:07.26 | Deformati | Thanatermesis: Try typing in xterm |
| 22:07.50 | alterego | https://www.muru.com/linux/n800-usb-host/ |
| 22:08.05 | alterego | Try following instructions :P |
| 22:08.34 | Deformati | What processor does n800 have? |
| 22:08.36 | Deformati | Eh, I can wiki it. |
| 22:08.39 | Deformati | Never mind. |
| 22:08.53 | alterego | The same one as in the iPhone :) |
| 22:09.19 | Deformati | That is not a ":)" |
| 22:09.22 | alterego | OMAP1710 I think |
| 22:09.36 | alterego | Oh no, that's the 770 |
| 22:09.43 | alterego | OMAP2420 |
| 22:09.44 | _Monkey | OMAP2420 is in the N800 ;) |
| 22:09.50 | alterego | Heh |
| 22:10.12 | Deformati | Ah, so very similar. |
| 22:10.25 | Deformati | After the price of n800 drops, I might get one. |
| 22:10.26 | alterego | Not really. |
| 22:10.39 | Deformati | It has a dsp and an arm, that is similar. |
| 22:10.47 | alterego | The 2420 is a fair amount more powerful than the 1710 |
| 22:11.04 | alterego | It has accelerated 3D graphics, though there are no drivers for the N800 |
| 22:11.11 | alterego | It's a fair amount faster. |
| 22:11.28 | solmumaha | i second that |
| 22:11.31 | alterego | Similar architecture though. |
| 22:11.45 | alterego | Standard TI SoC really .. |
| 22:12.03 | flip^ | isn't there something crazy about the n800 screen processing not being able to keep up with the graphics its actually capable of (hence the poor video in general)? |
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| 22:12.18 | alterego | What's wrong with the video? |
| 22:12.38 | alterego | mplayer plays videos amazingly. |
| 22:12.55 | flip^ | most reviews claim its disappointing... while mplayer does a good job, on some files it stutters a bit in places |
| 22:13.02 | Deformati | Accelerated 3d graphics is interesting. |
| 22:13.13 | Deformati | But, I don't think it will be worth my money. |
| 22:13.15 | Thanatermesis | Deformati, the keyboard not seems to work |
| 22:13.16 | alterego | Deformati, it'd be more interesting if you could use it ;) |
| 22:13.19 | flip^ | i can't stream over cifs over wireless ... but i didn't really expect to |
| 22:13.19 | Deformati | In a few years, there will be something new. |
| 22:13.20 | Deformati | :) |
| 22:13.31 | Deformati | alterego: reverse engineer? |
| 22:13.40 | Deformati | Or no drivers period? |
| 22:13.48 | alterego | I was half tempted to do that. |
| 22:14.01 | Deformati | That is very intresting if they made 3d acceleration, but no specification or driver. |
| 22:14.16 | alterego | There are drivers. |
| 22:14.19 | alterego | Just not for the N800 |
| 22:14.23 | Deformati | Ah. |
| 22:14.27 | Deformati | Reverse engineer. :) |
| 22:14.50 | Deformati | T_T |
| 22:14.59 | alterego | Well, Nokia didn't release them. The OMAP2420 has an Imagination technologies compact Open GL capable 3d accelerator |
| 22:15.06 | alterego | Based on PowerVR architecture. |
| 22:15.34 | alterego | There are Linux binary drivers, Nokia use the same chip _with_ drivers in the N95 phone as does Apple in the iPhone (BSD kernel) |
| 22:15.55 | alterego | The N95 is Symbian Series 60. |
| 22:16.22 | alterego | Anyhow, I don't think they wanted to purchase the rights to use the drivers in the N800. |
| 22:16.26 | alterego | Which is a shame. |
| 22:16.32 | Deformati | Then hack the iphone os to work on the nokia? |
| 22:16.33 | flip^ | its probably not enough of a money spinner for them |
| 22:16.40 | Deformati | Oh wait. |
| 22:16.46 | Deformati | APPLE CLOSES EVERYTHING. |
| 22:16.47 | Deformati | Duh. |
| 22:16.49 | alterego | Now you're being ridiculous :P |
| 22:17.13 | Deformati | No, apple pisses me off so much. |
| 22:17.27 | Deformati | They say "Oh we love open source, look how much we use." |
| 22:17.31 | alterego | They barely enter my thoughts :) |
| 22:17.35 | Deformati | "Oh, but you closed it." |
| 22:17.38 | Deformati | "yeah, we know." |
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| 22:17.49 | Deformati | "So uh, if you love it, why don't you give back?" |
| 22:17.54 | Deformati | "Give back?" |
| 22:18.26 | flip^ | "You open it, so we don't have to" |
| 22:18.36 | alterego | Heh |
| 22:18.55 | Blacksito | buenas tardes |
| 22:19.33 | Thanatermesis | alterego, i need to recompile the kernel with those patches for have the USB stuff working ? :/ |
| 22:19.36 | alterego | I'm a very sensible lad :) |
| 22:19.40 | Thanatermesis | (not exist any kernel image builded?) |
| 22:19.45 | Deformati | Agree about what? |
| 22:20.06 | alterego | Thanatermesis, possibly. I think there's a repository at Cambridge uni with the kernel images .. |
| 22:20.22 | Thanatermesis | that sounds better... no time to play with those things :P |
| 22:20.53 | alterego | There's a repository page on the wiki. |
| 22:20.55 | alterego | Check it out. |
| 22:21.59 | alterego | It's taken me since 10am this morning. |
| 22:22.40 | alterego | That's over 12 hours .. |
| 22:22.42 | alterego | Christ. |
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| 22:35.17 | alterego | Right .. |
| 22:35.19 | alterego | So .. |
| 22:35.42 | alterego | libosso bindings .. |
| 22:36.18 | alterego | Then I can start working on other stuff. |
| 22:39.27 | pupnik | holy cow, just saw thoughtfix's tabletblog comparision n800 vs ipod touch ... |
| 22:39.38 | pupnik | tabletblog.com |
| 22:40.14 | pupnik | umm... the N900 needs opengl |
| 22:40.35 | pupnik | there is NO QUESTION now |
| 22:42.10 | Deformati | Has anyone compiled erlang on the nokia? |
| 22:44.46 | Thanatermesis | what is GPE ? |
| 22:45.06 | pupnik | !google GPE |
| 22:47.19 | alterego | GPE is an environment kind of like Maemo |
| 22:47.29 | alterego | Well, actually it's just the "desktop" environment. |
| 22:47.39 | alterego | Where as Maemo is a complete linux distro. |
| 22:49.15 | Blacksito | ~ $ sudo su - |
| 22:49.46 | Blacksito | sudo: unable to lookup BlackTux via gethostbyname() |
| 22:50.13 | Blacksito | help |
| 22:50.42 | alterego | sudo su wont work Blacksito. |
| 22:51.14 | alterego | If you want root you'll have to either activate r&d mode or use the gainroot package. |
| 22:51.22 | alterego | Or whatever it's called .. |
| 22:53.47 | pupnik | gainroot? |
| 22:53.47 | _Monkey | rumour has it gainroot is the crutch of the feeble mind |
| 22:53.54 | pupnik | who deleted gainroot |
| 22:53.56 | pupnik | fecker |
| 22:54.11 | alterego | sudo gainroot only wors in r&d mode. |
| 22:54.15 | alterego | ~works |
| 22:54.16 | infobot | somebody said works was something I do |
| 22:54.19 | pupnik | wrong |
| 22:54.26 | alterego | Really? |
| 22:54.53 | pupnik | rnd mode is useful if you want to install libraries from the application manager |
| 22:54.56 | alterego | I thought you had to use r&d to get gainroot or download that other root obtaining pckage. |
| 22:55.06 | pupnik | other than that, i know of no end-user use for rnd mode |
| 22:55.10 | alterego | Ah yes. The red pill mode. |
| 22:58.15 | pupnik | becomeroot? |
| 22:58.15 | _Monkey | becomeroot is a quick howto to become root here http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_BecomeRoot and more information is here http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowDoiBecomeRoot |
| 22:59.08 | pupnik | oh it was becomeroot - sry nm |
| 22:59.11 | Blacksito | my osso-application-installer its broken :( |
| 22:59.59 | Blacksito | I, enabled the red pill mode |
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| 23:05.33 | pupnik | sorry to heer it Blacksito |
| 23:05.36 | pupnik | cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp/usr/lib/vlc/visualization/libxosd_plugin.so': No such file or directory |
| 23:05.39 | pupnik | blagh |
| 23:05.40 | Thanatermesis | hum... exist a lot more of variety of packages for mistral than bora :/ |
| 23:06.44 | pupnik | some of them will run on Bora |
| 23:06.48 | pupnik | maybe most |
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| 23:18.46 | Thanatermesis | what's the better IRC client to use ? |
| 23:20.41 | alterego | Pidgin is pretty good. |
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| 23:37.12 | Deformati | What filesystem is best for a mmc card with mostly media on it? |
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| 23:54.35 | alterego | vfat |
| 23:55.40 | Deformati | Erm. |
| 23:55.43 | Deformati | I doubt that. |
| 23:56.21 | Deformati | Oh, by the way alterego, dunno if you would be interested in this or not, but are definite plans for lisp ast macros in D. |
| 23:56.29 | Deformati | Maybe xfs, why vfat? |
| 23:56.36 | pupnik | http://cgi.ebay.de/CECT-A816-3-5inch-TouchScreen-psp-3D-game-solar-charger_W0QQitemZ200154053559QQihZ010QQcategoryZ38331QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 23:56.43 | alterego | Accessible from everything. |
| 23:56.49 | Deformati | And I was wondering, how doesn't the swapspace on the mmc card not reach it's write cycles? |
| 23:56.56 | pupnik | crazy device - phone with 3.5" touchscreen and playstation/nes emulator and gaming controls |
| 23:57.14 | Deformati | But I don't have any other devices that need rs-mmc cards |
