| 00:01.42 | Lateralus | Can anyone with Bora installed tell me if their arm target contains intltool? |
| 00:02.44 | Lateralus | The VM package of maemo distributed on vmware.com has intltool available in its SDK_ARMEL target, but my install(s) do not, manual nor the install performed by the maemo-scratchbox|sdk-*.sh scripts |
| 00:03.21 | pupnik | can you apt-get install intltool from within scratchbox? |
| 00:04.15 | Lateralus | pupnik: claims it's at the newest version. Same for intltool-debian. I'm guessing it has something to do with the virtual packages stuff that flew by during the install, but I don't know much about scratchbox nor apt. |
| 00:04.32 | Lateralus | pupnik: it's available in the x86 target. |
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| 00:15.32 | pupnik | hm |
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| 00:18.02 | pupnik | in gregale i show intltool installed, but intltool is not a command i can execute |
| 00:18.25 | pupnik | ahh intltool-update etc |
| 00:18.32 | pupnik | dpkg -L intltool shows installed files |
| 00:19.23 | Lateralus | nothing, outide of documentation and a copyright file |
| 00:20.04 | pupnik | there are 5 files in /usr/bin, lots in /usr/share and /usr/doc |
| 00:20.23 | pupnik | maybe you need to apt-get install intltool --reinstall? |
| 00:20.26 | Lateralus | even in the x86 target I only see docs in the output of dpkg -L intltool. But in that target I can access intltoolize etc |
| 00:20.38 | pupnik | strange |
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| 00:20.51 | pupnik | you only have one target active at one time, correct? |
| 00:20.55 | Lateralus | "reinstallation of intltool is not possible, it cannot be downloaded" |
| 00:20.58 | Lateralus | correct |
| 00:21.07 | Lateralus | I was unaware you could have two active targets |
| 00:21.17 | pupnik | i don't think you can |
| 00:21.24 | pupnik | or should - whatever |
| 00:22.22 | pupnik | would someone try doing a 'make' on a package i'm working on? it is nothing evil, but i get an unusual error when making - and i'm not sure whether it's my environment |
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| 00:22.37 | pupnik | wget http://pupnik.de/generator_maemo-0.35-src.tgz |
| 00:23.11 | pupnik | tar xzvf generator*.tgz && cd generator_maemo-0.35 |
| 00:23.18 | pupnik | then just "make" - do not ./configure |
| 00:23.43 | pupnik | (it's a more modern genesis emulator than DGen) |
| 00:23.45 | Lateralus | http://pastebin.ca/704034 |
| 00:24.36 | pupnik | http://pastebin.ca/704036 |
| 00:24.57 | Lateralus | How did you install? |
| 00:25.09 | pupnik | (nota bene - mine is from gregale / it2006 environment) |
| 00:25.41 | pupnik | i do not know |
| 00:26.03 | pupnik | either it was provided or i used apt-get install intltool |
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| 00:27.10 | Lateralus | pupnik: "pasting ui_log_critical and ( does not give a valid preprocessing token" |
| 00:27.24 | pupnik | thanks! that's the error i get too |
| 00:27.48 | pupnik | saved me a lot of worrying - now i can dig into that error - thanks again |
| 00:27.54 | Lateralus | np |
| 00:29.11 | pupnik | http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php <<< that doesn't show me a bora repository for intltool |
| 00:29.56 | pupnik | i have Filename: pool/herring/main/i/intltool/intltool_0.33-1osso_all.deb |
| 00:30.41 | pupnik | also note: |
| 00:30.48 | pupnik | Conflixts: xml-i18n-tools |
| 00:31.53 | pupnik | got to go - thanks again :) --- |
| 00:32.04 | erstazi | bye pupnikafk |
| 00:37.55 | Lateralus | ls |
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| 00:43.12 | russ_ | can anyone help with a maemo 3.2 problem with finding libidn ?? |
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| 00:45.32 | russ_ | test |
| 00:45.54 | russ_ | anyone hangin around here? |
| 00:45.59 | nomis | russ_: yeah. |
| 00:46.13 | nomis | but will head for the bed quite soon. |
| 00:46.59 | russ_ | thanks ... me too ... I'm looking for help in finding libidn on maemo 3.2 on scratchbox ... any ideas? |
| 00:47.20 | nomis | nope, sorry. |
| 00:47.42 | russ_ | ah well ... |
| 00:47.50 | russ_ | kinda frustrating |
| 00:48.11 | russ_ | thanks |
| 00:51.27 | Deformati | Mailing list is so unactive. |
| 01:07.18 | Lateralus | russ_: "finding"? |
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| 01:17.13 | russ_ | libidn has tld_* stringprep_* idna_* , etc |
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| 01:29.05 | GS | hi |
| 01:29.06 | _Monkey | bonjour, GS |
| 01:29.14 | GS | someone installed kde on n770? |
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| 01:42.02 | Lateralus | GS: I saw something along those lines, but it was nothing too serious. Slow, largely unusable. |
| 01:42.32 | Lateralus | GS: I also saw a guy working on an enlightenment port. Claimed to have had it compile properly by adjusting the size of one buffer. |
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| 01:44.46 | wacky__ | heya :) |
| 01:44.46 | GS | om |
| 01:44.50 | GS | :( |
| 01:44.51 | wacky__ | anyone running mplayer on the latest Hacker edition for N770 ? |
| 01:44.58 | wacky__ | I get some 'Illegal instruction' |
| 01:45.31 | Lateralus | break out gdb and get to work. |
| 01:45.37 | Lateralus | :p |
| 01:46.15 | wacky__ | ouch |
| 01:47.43 | GS | Lateralus, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5474 for kde 3.5.6 |
| 01:47.51 | GS | and enlightenment by rasterman? |
| 01:47.58 | Deformati | That would be pretty horrible for emedded enviornments. |
| 01:48.06 | GS | package anywhere? |
| 01:48.08 | Lateralus | Deformati: enlightenment? I believe you are confused. |
| 01:48.22 | Deformati | e16 is pretty good for a desktop. |
| 01:48.29 | Deformati | e17 however, is good for nothing. |
| 01:48.30 | GS | yeah |
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| 01:48.39 | GS | i0m using e16 now |
| 01:48.54 | Deformati | Me too. |
| 01:48.59 | Deformati | I am using e16 with kde. |
| 01:49.09 | Lateralus | I've used e17 for a long time with no problems. |
| 01:49.16 | GS | me too |
| 01:49.37 | Deformati | No problems, no benefits. |
| 01:49.39 | Lateralus | I'm trying to get a few companies interested in e17, or atleast the EFL. |
| 01:49.48 | GS | Deformati, very pretty |
| 01:49.53 | Deformati | Not really. |
| 01:49.55 | Lateralus | I see great promise for EFL in an embedded environment |
| 01:50.21 | Deformati | ELF are given WAY too much credit. |
| 01:50.30 | Deformati | They are not that good, honestly. |
| 01:50.30 | GS | enlightenment is a promise :P |
| 01:50.38 | Lateralus | GS: lol |
| 01:51.18 | GS | e 16.9999999999 |
| 01:51.30 | GS | never e17 ;) |
| 01:51.52 | Deformati | Piff. |
| 01:51.55 | GS | but it's cool |
| 01:52.09 | Deformati | Lies. |
| 01:54.48 | wacky__ | anyone running MicroB ? |
| 01:54.48 | Deformati | Actually. |
| 01:54.51 | Deformati | On second thought. |
| 01:55.04 | Deformati | Explain to me what is so fantastic about the ELFs. |
| 01:55.09 | Deformati | :) |
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| 02:23.37 | wacky__ | I've installed MicroB on my freshly flashed N700 (HE edition), and now I can't use any browser :P |
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| 02:51.46 | wacky__ | hello ? |
| 02:55.09 | wacky__ | MicroB doesn't stop crashing over here... |
| 02:55.15 | wacky__ | is there a way to switch back to Opera ? |
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| 03:04.02 | pupnik | mplayer doesn't like 2007he afaik |
| 03:04.35 | pupnik | neither do my builds of dosbox - no clue why |
| 03:09.08 | bmidgley | is there an sdk migration doc that goes with http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/unstable/4.0beta/content-comparison-3.2-to-4.0beta.html |
| 03:09.34 | bmidgley | mmapper won't build because osso-help-dev and osso-ic-dev were "removed" but no signs of how to handle this |
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| 03:13.17 | pupnik | can anyone with an n800 test pingus lemmings clone for me? |
| 03:13.40 | pupnik | it works OK but there are occasional crashes, and i'm curious if they are gregale related, or possibly memory related |
| 03:14.48 | bmidgley | looks like nokia needs to open up some docs on http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x |
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| 03:16.08 | bedboi | bmidgley: is there a way to test 4.0beta? |
| 03:16.41 | bmidgley | bedboi get a job at Nokia |
| 03:16.46 | bmidgley | you mean on n800? |
| 03:16.57 | bedboi | yep |
| 03:17.27 | bmidgley | the sdk was released a little before the os release |
| 03:17.39 | bmidgley | shouldn't be long before the new os is released ;) |
| 03:17.50 | bedboi | there is some rootstrap |
| 03:18.06 | bedboi | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/unstable/4.0beta/armel/maemo-sdk-rootstrap_4.0beta_armel.tgz |
| 03:18.31 | bmidgley | hmm I don't know |
| 03:19.27 | bmidgley | the Nokia guys I know were running something that looks very different from the last release |
| 03:21.41 | Lateralus | which you probably shouldn't mention. |
| 03:23.01 | bmidgley | enough said |
| 03:23.33 | bmidgley | maybe it's too soon for me to try chinook |
| 03:23.50 | pupnik | i really hope nokia releases another tablet in 2008 |
| 03:25.35 | pupnik | the 770 has plenty of power for apps written *for* it. But i'm in the game of putting desktop apps which aren't optimized onto it |
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| 03:25.53 | bmidgley | I never did install bora but it looks like more work than chinook |
| 03:26.00 | pupnik | unique311: wb |
| 03:26.16 | unique311 | thanks |
| 03:26.40 | unique311 | my desktop has issues, and this notebook running ubuntu, sound is dead. |
| 03:26.50 | unique311 | having a bad time with my toys. |
| 03:27.20 | unique311 | not to mention again my thinkpad is dead....cmos battery i think is dead. |
| 03:28.34 | pupnik | do ahh ... shh.. |
| 03:28.53 | pupnik | do you want to try pingus? |
| 03:29.04 | pupnik | i bet it would run way better on the n800 |
| 03:29.12 | pupnik | it's real close to great on the n770 |
| 03:29.52 | unique311 | my device sucks right now.. |
| 03:30.00 | unique311 | only use i have for it is with kagu. |
| 03:30.12 | pupnik | ok |
| 03:30.13 | unique311 | i have to reflash. |
| 03:30.29 | unique311 | but waiting till something worthwhile hits before i do so. |
| 03:30.37 | unique311 | a new OS maybe |
| 03:31.26 | pupnik | i put dgen genesis emulator up |
| 03:31.35 | unique311 | good new though, an ipod itouch in the future.. |
| 03:31.37 | pupnik | hoping maybe it pisses someone off enough to port a good emulator |
| 03:31.41 | pupnik | heh |
| 03:32.14 | unique311 | all the sega emu's i tried compiling segfault.. |
| 03:33.07 | pupnik | dgen runs - doesn't do sonic though |
| 03:33.15 | unique311 | oh |
| 03:33.32 | unique311 | whats sega without sonic, huh. |
| 03:34.48 | pupnik | did you ever try 'generator'? |
| 03:35.18 | pupnik | mine wont build - some really strange make error |
| 03:35.32 | unique311 | i did.... |
| 03:35.36 | unique311 | forgot the outcome.. |
| 03:35.44 | pupnik | ok |
| 03:36.12 | bmidgley | is it true scratchbox didn't change from maemo 3 to 4? |
| 03:36.34 | pupnik | scratchbox as a project is only loosely tied to maemo |
| 03:37.08 | pupnik | well i don't know |
| 03:42.19 | unique311 | http://www.ghostwhitecrab.com/generator/ |
| 03:42.31 | unique311 | a better generator |
| 03:42.47 | unique311 | 2007 dated support |
| 03:49.09 | bmidgley | so the scratchbox requirement didn't change i guess |
| 03:53.48 | pupnik | ty unique311 |
| 03:54.01 | unique311 | np |
| 03:54.08 | unique311 | just compile the sdl version. |
| 03:55.39 | pupnik | did it work for you? still compiling here |
| 03:55.58 | unique311 | not sure how to use the command line. |
| 03:56.03 | unique311 | still trying to |
| 03:56.24 | pupnik | reg68k.o: In function `reg68k_external_execute':reg68k.c:(.text+0x3c0): undefined reference to `compile_make' |
| 03:56.31 | unique311 | line it out |
| 03:56.42 | unique311 | i did and it compiled. |
| 03:56.54 | unique311 | main line 123 |
| 03:58.06 | pupnik | what file? |
| 03:58.08 | _Monkey | i heard file was junk and should be thrown away |
| 03:58.29 | pupnik | :q:q |
| 03:58.50 | unique311 | reg68k.c |
| 03:58.59 | unique311 | located in main folder |
| 03:59.06 | pupnik | ok |
| 04:01.01 | pupnik | generator-0.35-cbiere-r3] > grep -ri compile_make * |
| 04:01.01 | pupnik | hdr/compile.h:uint8 *compile_make(t_ipclist *list); |
| 04:01.02 | pupnik | main/reg68k.c: list->compiled = compile_make(list); |
| 04:01.11 | pupnik | compile_make is defined in hdr/compile.h |
| 04:01.37 | unique311 | main/reg68k.c: list->compiled = compile_make(list); |
| 04:01.45 | pupnik | yeah i found that |
| 04:01.51 | unique311 | i lined out that. and it compiled |
| 04:01.52 | pupnik | but you say it segfaults? |
| 04:01.57 | unique311 | no |
| 04:02.09 | unique311 | i just started paperboy... |
| 04:02.16 | unique311 | and got a black screen |
| 04:03.55 | unique311 | failed loading sound.. |
| 04:04.02 | unique311 | only errors... |
| 04:04.10 | unique311 | but it says the game is loaded. |
| 04:04.21 | unique311 | all i'm seeing in scratchbox is a black screen |
| 04:04.33 | unique311 | without the fullscreen flag. |
| 04:05.11 | pupnik | wow it builds here - same deal though black screen |
| 04:05.26 | pupnik | thanks - |
| 04:05.27 | unique311 | try another game |
| 04:05.36 | unique311 | maybe check out the config file |
| 04:05.55 | unique311 | try the gtk version. |
| 04:06.12 | unique311 | tcltk is available now for maemo, could try that version |
| 04:06.27 | unique311 | a couple of versions available in this source |
| 04:07.07 | pupnik | well this is great - the standard generator wouldn't build at all |
| 04:07.13 | pupnik | i'll look into this later this week |
| 04:07.19 | unique311 | cool |
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| 04:12.36 | pupnik | same black screen with sonic1 on the pc compile |
| 04:13.46 | pupnik | aoh well - tired |
| 04:21.03 | unique311 | pupnik: found a fix for the black screen |
| 04:21.23 | unique311 | http://ghostwhitecrab.de/generator/ |
| 04:21.27 | unique311 | bright red attention |
| 04:23.32 | pupnik | what? |
| 04:23.53 | pupnik | oh "ATTENTION" |
| 04:25.19 | pupnik | strange, i've got libsdl 1.2.8-10 on this scratchbox |
| 04:25.30 | pupnik | but that's a good hint |
| 04:25.35 | unique311 | yeah. |
| 04:26.15 | pupnik | if it's a sdl problem i'll be able to fix it just by setting to a standard nokia-happy sdl mode |
| 04:26.21 | pupnik | got plenty of experience with that now |
| 04:29.43 | pupnik | no idea wtf that workaround he lists is supposed to do |
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| 04:32.08 | unique311 | says it works. |
| 04:32.24 | unique311 | but no xvattr command |
| 04:32.36 | pupnik | i installed the xvattr command on the pc |
| 04:32.44 | pupnik | but it doesn't work |
| 04:32.52 | pupnik | xvattr -a XV_AUTOPAINT_COLORKEY -v 1 |
| 04:32.52 | pupnik | Found Xv 2.2 |
| 04:32.53 | pupnik | X Error of failed request: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes |
| 04:33.09 | unique311 | lol |
| 04:33.22 | unique311 | it is scratchbox |
| 04:33.32 | pupnik | no this is on my debian SID pc |
| 04:33.53 | pupnik | just trying the stuff on the PC as well |
| 04:34.00 | unique311 | ok |
| 04:34.13 | unique311 | well the command is not avail for scratchbox. |
| 04:34.19 | pupnik | right |
| 04:34.29 | pupnik | nokia doesn't have Xv |
| 04:34.39 | pupnik | and if youre using sdl you shouldn't need it anyway |
| 04:34.46 | pupnik | so that stuff can probably be ripped out |
| 04:35.20 | pupnik | do you remember what picodrive is based on? |
| 04:35.28 | unique311 | maybe that line out wasn't a good thing |
| 04:35.42 | pupnik | oh on the pc the line can be left in |
| 04:35.51 | pupnik | so the black screen isn't related to that problem |
| 04:36.04 | pupnik | that line is only compiled if compiling for the ARM cpu |
| 04:37.12 | pupnik | funny - the standard generator runs/compiles fine on my debian pc |
| 04:37.23 | pupnik | so it's probably easy to fix by comparing the two |
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| 04:41.35 | pupnik | it would be really embarassing if zodttd comes along and makes a psx emulator that runs better than snes, genesis and nes |
| 04:42.22 | pupnik | like FOOOM "!chumps! that's how you do it" |
| 04:42.23 | pupnik | lol |
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| 04:42.59 | pupnik | but hey, he's the real deal :) |
| 04:43.37 | pupnik | no point comparing ourselves to people like that :) |
| 04:44.07 | unique311 | zodttd |
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| 04:44.43 | pupnik | he's the main dude behind the gp2x psx emulator |
| 04:44.52 | pupnik | just bought a n800 a while back |
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| 05:36.54 | Thanatermesis | is there any difference in the flash cards that i can use ? (speed), i think that exist a branch of models called "hc" that are really fast than normal cards |
| 05:44.07 | dragorn | hc denotes capacity and access methods, not speed |
| 05:44.43 | dragorn | "high capacity" if I recall. Most 4 gig, and everything larger, is SDHC. The n800 supports them (in newer firmwares) but they're not accessed the same as SD, so not all devices will. |
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| 05:49.30 | Hung | Hello |
| 05:49.46 | Hung | How fast can I receive a response in here? |
| 05:49.46 | Thanatermesis | i want to buy a card for my n800, for boot the system from the card, then i want the most fast card possible :) any recomendation or i just buy a "standard card" then ? |
| 05:50.28 | Thanatermesis | Hung, its relative in how much persons are reading and the percent of the persons that knows the answer + the number of ppl that want's to write |
| 05:51.14 | Hung | www.newegg.com has a HCSD that's 8GB for about 60 dollars. I have one and it's fast. |
| 05:51.39 | Thanatermesis | wow, 8 gb |
| 05:51.46 | Hung | I need help setting up xchat on my n800 |
| 05:51.50 | Hung | can u help me |
| 05:52.33 | Thanatermesis | sorry Hung, im not have installed much things on my very recent n800 (just from yesterday), i want to dump the system to a card for boot from it and do anything from the card system :) |
| 05:52.46 | Thanatermesis | but i want to install xchat too, what's your exact problem ? |
| 05:53.08 | Lateralus | hmm |
| 05:53.20 | Hung | i have installed and am running xchat, but it stopped on checking iden. |
| 05:55.13 | Thanatermesis | Hung, how much time you wait ? i nkow that freenode needs the port (118?) for a identity stuff, if you don't have it opened you need to wait less than 5 minutes |
| 05:55.18 | Thanatermesis | max* |
| 05:55.46 | Hung | i had waited for 30 mins. |
| 05:56.23 | Thanatermesis | then you have other problem :) |
| 05:56.40 | Thanatermesis | what if you type /server irc.freenode.net (or other) ? |
| 05:57.32 | Hung | i didnt' config anything |
| 05:57.39 | Hung | i just signed on |
| 05:58.01 | Hung | but forget about that, i'll see if i can fix it somehow |
| 05:58.02 | Thanatermesis | yes but, if you enter on a IRC server manually, it works ? |
| 06:01.11 | Hung | thanks Thanatermesis. I'll talk more tomorrow night |
| 06:01.16 | Hung | on this channel |
| 06:01.21 | Hung | bye |
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| 06:17.48 | Thanatermesis | where is a howto for compile things for the n800 ? |
| 06:23.37 | `0660 | see maemo.org |
| 06:24.52 | Thanatermesis | ok |
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| 06:48.59 | Thanatermesis | not exist any videconferencing app for n800 ?? |
| 06:49.09 | Thanatermesis | skype sucks for linux |
| 07:09.26 | bedboi | Thanatermesis: please don't even mention skype |
| 07:09.30 | bedboi | PLEASE |
| 07:09.43 | bedboi | i'm researching on skype. |
| 07:09.47 | bedboi | it doesn't make any sense |
| 07:10.14 | bedboi | it just works because now there is a lot of bandwidth |
| 07:11.36 | bedboi | it's just a bunch of if-then-else. |
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| 07:18.03 | alucardo_6666 | hello |
| 07:18.04 | _Monkey | hi, alucardo_6666 |
| 07:18.37 | alucardo_6666 | i have a problems to install the aircrack-ng.. please.. helpme ú.u |
| 07:18.40 | TPC | hmm |
| 07:18.51 | TPC | doesn't the N800 support having ext2 as a memory card filesystem? |
| 07:19.31 | alucardo_6666 | i dont have a idea.. i use a n770 |
| 07:20.38 | alucardo_6666 | my problem is.. " impossible install the package in the actual software " |
| 07:21.18 | alucardo_6666 | some idea about this problem ? |
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| 07:25.26 | TPC | ah, ah, need to insert the ext2 module manually |
| 07:26.46 | alucardo_6666 | @.@ |
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| 07:30.40 | alucardo_6666 | # could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock ~ open (13permissi) |
| 07:30.44 | alucardo_6666 | T_____T |
| 07:31.16 | alucardo_6666 | i try install in the xterm.. , some idea? |
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| 07:35.57 | TPC | alucardo_6666, it means that you already have another app open that is using the installation system |
| 07:39.24 | alucardo_6666 | o.O.. " impossible install .. again , " incompatible package but actual sofware " |
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| 07:39.37 | alucardo_6666 | Im a big noooooooob -.- im need read more.. |
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| 07:52.09 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 07:52.45 | alucardo_6666 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:53.07 | alucardo_6666 | :S stupid aircrack-ng xD |
| 07:53.39 | alucardo_6666 | T______T i try for many hours... install the aircrack.. any suggestion? |
| 07:56.45 | alucardo_6666 | please people... any suggestion? |
| 07:57.38 | jani | install sdk to your main puter, get aircrack source and compile it yourself =) |
| 07:58.18 | alucardo_6666 | thanks jani , i try ^^ |
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| 08:27.51 | Thana` | my n800 are running a bit strange... how i can reboot it ? (the power button dont' do anything) |
| 08:29.02 | inz | Thana, if you can ssh in, try reboot, if not, remove battery |
| 08:29.22 | Thana` | :/ |
| 08:35.59 | red-zack | Thana`: ssh, reboot :shutdown now |
| 08:36.25 | red-zack | oh. inz told you. i am blind |
| 08:37.53 | Thana` | red-zack, it don't has ssh acces, i don't know why, and buttons not has worked before... i have needed to eject the battery :S |
| 08:38.02 | Thana` | i hope that i don't have lost any inode :/ |
| 08:38.34 | Thanatermesis | i have booted the device with the power supply connected, is any problem with that ? |
| 08:40.22 | gla55_ | no |
| 08:40.44 | Thanatermesis | strange.. |
| 08:45.03 | Thanatermesis | i supose that i can connect a USB keyboard, correct ? |
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| 08:47.05 | inz | Not trivially |
| 08:47.37 | Thanatermesis | is needed to edit a conf file like xorg.conf or something similar ? |
| 08:49.17 | inz | You need to have a special kernel |
| 08:49.25 | Thanatermesis | uh :/ |
| 08:49.29 | inz | And powered usb hub |
| 08:50.26 | Thanatermesis | powered usb hub ? you mean those external 1x4 USB things ? |
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| 08:54.39 | inz | Thana, yeah, something like that, the 770/N800 port doesn't supply (enough) power |
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| 08:57.55 | Thanatermesis | just for a keyboard no ? :/ |
| 08:59.43 | inz | For any USB gadget |
| 09:01.24 | Thanatermesis | crap... a kernel is no problem... but that requires a 220~V power supply :/ |
| 09:01.58 | Thanatermesis | i want this one: http://www.pdagold.com/img/articles/en/large/0000000268_wre456160123346.jpg |
| 09:02.11 | Thanatermesis | the one by nokia looks very good, but expensive |
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| 09:36.08 | Thanatermesis | what is the max video resolution accepted ? i have convert a video in 800x480 but the player by default says that's not a resolution accepted |
| 09:38.37 | JussiP | There is a wiki page with full instructions. |
| 09:47.17 | Thanatermesis | aha |
| 09:53.13 | TPC | I use this for encoding for the n800: mencoder -o outfile.avi -oac mp3lame -lameopts preset=128 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vbitrate=600:threads=4 -zoom -vf dsize=400:240:2,scale -idx infile.avi |
| 09:53.39 | TPC | I think its the best tradeoff between quality, encoding speed, and playability |
| 09:53.52 | TPC | I recommend installing mplayer and using that as your movie player (its in one of the repos) |
| 09:54.25 | Thanatermesis | whats the final :2 in the scale, TPC ? |
| 09:54.33 | TPC | I don't remember |
| 09:55.04 | TPC | dsize makes it so it scales the video up to 400x240, but stops whenever it hits one |
| 09:55.50 | TPC | so it could for example go 320x240 if its a 4:3 movie |
| 09:56.01 | TPC | or 400x(something) if its a widescreen one |
| 09:56.33 | Thanatermesis | interesting |
| 09:57.03 | TPC | so the same line works for all movies, rather than having to change the resolution to fit what you are encoding |
| 09:57.03 | Thanatermesis | anyways i think that the better is to install mplayer... the better media player ever made :) |
| 09:57.11 | TPC | yep |
| 09:57.31 | TPC | if you add -ffourcc DIVX to my line, the official media player will be able to play it too |
| 09:57.40 | Thanatermesis | ok |
| 09:58.23 | TPC | if you go for higher resolution than 400x240 you will have to lower the bitrate, but I think higher bitrate produces better quality than high resolution |
| 09:59.34 | Thanatermesis | mmh, looks like a delay in the A/V, maybe because n800 uses ESD ? |
| 10:01.18 | TPC | maybe |
| 10:01.27 | Thanatermesis | why not use *just* alsa ? |
| 10:01.31 | TPC | try adding ao=alsa to mplayers config file |
| 10:02.00 | Thanatermesis | well, im on a "clean n800 system" now... i want first to have a SD card for dump the system to it and do anything on the card one :) |
| 10:02.06 | Thanatermesis | not mplayer yet |
| 10:02.13 | TPC | ok |
| 10:02.22 | TPC | why the SD card thing? |
| 10:02.27 | TPC | its easy to reflash if anything goes wrong |
| 10:02.42 | TPC | and the built in backup app is nice for storing settings, etc |
| 10:03.05 | Thanatermesis | in what exactly consists the flash thing ? |
| 10:03.37 | Thanatermesis | i have dumped (dd) the devices /dev/mtdblock{0,1,2,3,4} for make a backup lol |
| 10:03.50 | TPC | it wipes the internal memory and puts the clean os on it again |
| 10:04.15 | TPC | you just run ./flasher-3.0 <some options, details are in the wiki> firmwarename.ext |
| 10:04.23 | TPC | and put the N800 into the computers usb port |
| 10:04.46 | TPC | I'm assuming that you are running linux here, no idea how it works on other OSes :P |
| 10:04.59 | Thanatermesis | yes, of course :) |
| 10:05.07 | Thanatermesis | sounds easy |
| 10:05.24 | jani | i've faint recollection of seeing winflasher tool too.. |
| 10:05.25 | TPC | you probably want to do it once before you start changing too much around |
| 10:05.37 | TPC | to make sure you have the latest version |
| 10:05.56 | Thanatermesis | well, basically i want the system on the SD card because the reasons detailed on the wiki (near to x2 more speed on the system due to not using a compressed FS, and a lot more space on the "system disk" to install any kind of packages) |
| 10:06.22 | TPC | I don't really find the N800 slow anyway |
| 10:06.35 | Thanatermesis | well, more fast is better :) |
| 10:06.53 | Thanatermesis | i think that i have the last version, no upgrades, just new buyed n800 , etc |
| 10:06.58 | Deformati | OR, just rewrite the bottleneck apps to make them faster. |
| 10:07.00 | Deformati | :) |
| 10:07.04 | TPC | and you already got like 200mb to install apps on, more than enough, as long as you store your data on the SD cards |
| 10:07.32 | Thanatermesis | the only thing that i don't understand is... |
| 10:07.48 | Thanatermesis | im living in barcelona, and i don't have found ANY shop that sells the n800 |
| 10:08.10 | Thanatermesis | no FNAC, no "el corte ingles" (very big known shops stuff), etc... |
| 10:08.12 | Deformati | Oh well. |
| 10:08.15 | Deformati | Bye. o/ |
| 10:08.20 | Thanatermesis | also don't has ear about this "model of nokia"... sigh |
| 10:08.40 | TPC | usually easier to buy online anyway :P |
| 10:09.10 | Deformati | Thanatermesis: aren't you the elive dev? |
| 10:09.33 | Thanatermesis | i have wanted to buy it on fnac because fnac gives a "assurance" of "thief", but i have needed finally to buy it on nokia.com |
| 10:09.42 | Thanatermesis | Deformati, me ? |
| 10:10.09 | Deformati | Cannot remember. |
| 10:10.21 | Thanatermesis | Deformati, that's what ppl says ;) |
| 10:10.38 | Deformati | Heh, I knew I saw that nick somewhere. |
| 10:10.42 | Deformati | Well, I need to go now. |
| 10:10.43 | Deformati | o/ |
| 10:10.48 | Thanatermesis | hehe |
| 10:10.54 | Thanatermesis | bye Deformati |
| 10:10.58 | GS | Thanatermesis, eee |
| 10:11.06 | GS | que quieres comprar? |
| 10:11.25 | Thanatermesis | coño GS, tu por aqui |
| 10:11.26 | Thanatermesis | cuanto tiempo xD |
| 10:11.30 | GS | si ;) |
| 10:11.48 | TPC | elive? |
| 10:11.55 | GS | me he pillado un n770 |
| 10:12.00 | TPC | also, please speak english, the rest of us want to understand too :P |
| 10:12.22 | Thanatermesis | GS, mi novia queria comprarse el n800 en la fnac porque les daban un seguro antirobo... pero al final tuvo que comprarlo por internet (nokia.com), no entiendo porque no hay ni una puta tienda que no la vendan, nadie a oido hablar de este modelo de nokia... no será porque funciona con linux, no ? o_O |
| 10:12.24 | GS | ok TPC sorry |
| 10:12.31 | Thanatermesis | sorry TPC |
| 10:12.51 | Thanatermesis | GS, recently ? how much cost ? |
| 10:13.30 | GS | Thanatermesis, 160€ in ebay |
| 10:13.40 | Thanatermesis | hum, cheap |
| 10:14.14 | Deformati | The n800 has drastically drove down the price of the 770 |
| 10:16.24 | Thanatermesis | looks like :) |
| 10:17.52 | TPC | hm.. |
| 10:18.03 | TPC | I need a case to store my N800 in |
| 10:18.18 | TPC | the piece of cloth that came with it just isn't very protective |
| 10:19.11 | TPC | and I don't want to drag it around in my otterbox 2600 (hard plastic protective casing that is waterproof and can handle a car driving over it without damaging the device inside) |
| 10:22.25 | Thanatermesis | TPC, http://www.al4ie.com/770/nokia770fascia.jpg |
| 10:22.47 | Deformati | The nokia 770 case is awesome. |
| 10:22.56 | Deformati | As soon as you close it, it goes into sleep mode. |
| 10:23.02 | TPC | would have been nice |
| 10:23.04 | Deformati | And when you open it, it comes back instantly. |
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| 10:56.06 | leno29 | hi to all |
| 10:56.15 | leno29 | i have a question for you |
| 10:56.30 | leno29 | i want to run rtlinux on nokia770 |
| 10:56.39 | leno29 | it is possible patch the kernel |
| 10:56.47 | leno29 | and use it on this handhelds |
| 10:56.49 | leno29 | ? |
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| 11:10.16 | leno29 | is somebody online? |
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| 11:17.22 | db48x | leno29: 218 people are online just in this channel |
| 11:17.34 | db48x | leno29: not many of them are awake, though :) |
| 11:17.41 | leno29 | why nobody reply to me |
| 11:17.46 | leno29 | db48x, |
| 11:18.02 | leno29 | rcknight, can you help me |
| 11:18.03 | leno29 | ? |
| 11:18.19 | rcknight | no. I do not know about rtlinux distro |
| 11:18.33 | db48x | no, I don't know anything about it either |
| 11:21.22 | erstazi | howdy everyone |
| 11:28.24 | inz | leno29, I guess no on tried it, I suggest you go on and try, you might be lucky |
| 11:28.27 | inz | +e |
| 11:28.45 | leno29 | can i patch the kernel?? |
| 11:28.57 | inz | Sure you can |
| 11:29.25 | leno29 | exist an emulator ? |
| 11:29.30 | leno29 | i want to try |
| 11:29.48 | inz | You can't emulate kernel, so you need a device to test it |
| 11:30.20 | leno29 | if i take a n770 for example |
| 11:30.26 | leno29 | on it |
| 11:30.34 | leno29 | there is the source code of kernel? |
| 11:30.49 | inz | Due to the license of kernel, there must be (and there is) |
| 11:31.05 | leno29 | the kernel is linux standard? |
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| 11:32.08 | inz | With changes/patches |
| 11:32.33 | leno29 | for handhelds |
| 11:32.34 | leno29 | ok |
| 11:33.38 | leno29 | the distribution is emdebian? |
| 11:33.40 | leno29 | or maemo |
| 11:33.41 | leno29 | ? |
| 11:37.04 | inz | maemo, if I understood what you're asking |
| 11:37.29 | leno29 | i want to know the name of distribution that run on nokia 770 |
| 11:37.48 | inz | It is called ITOS2006 |
| 11:37.57 | sxpert-work | some form of hacked up debian |
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| 11:38.49 | leno29 | and the source code is accesible? |
| 11:38.57 | leno29 | the license? |
| 11:39.06 | leno29 | developed by? |
| 11:39.09 | inz | The kernel source most definitely is |
| 11:39.33 | inz | And the sources for (L)GPL licensed components included are, of course |
| 11:39.41 | inz | But not everything is open |
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| 11:41.19 | leno29 | not all the component development for it? |
| 11:41.26 | leno29 | this you want intend |
| 11:41.28 | leno29 | ? |
| 11:42.16 | inz | I guess |
| 11:42.25 | leno29 | what is the site of ITOS2006 |
| 11:44.01 | inz | There is no site for it |
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| 11:44.35 | adegoeij | does anyone know what the chipset specs of the nokia N800Å› wifi equipment are? |
| 11:44.36 | leno29 | and where can i download the source code of it? |
| 11:45.34 | inz | leno, maemo.org has most of the open components |
| 11:45.50 | inz | leno, and some are only available to device owners |
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| 12:06.23 | adegoeij | does anyone know what the chipset specs of the nokia N800Å› wifi equipment are? |
| 12:06.57 | suihkulokki | gooooooooooooooogle |
| 12:07.32 | Knirch | suihkulokki: is a site, want the url? |
| 12:07.46 | Knirch | suihkulokki: www.google.com, there you go, happy now? |
| 12:08.14 | Knirch | suihkulokki: you see, the problem you did there was to use way to many o's. It's only spelled with two |
| 12:09.19 | adegoeij | nope nowhere to be found, the N770 had a connexant chipset, but n800 is nowhere to be found |
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| 12:16.42 | Knirch | adegoeij: gone over internettablettalk forums? |
| 12:17.18 | adegoeij | mostly yes lot of mentioning but i just want the lspci output... |
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| 12:17.44 | Knirch | ok, can't help you with that, only own a 770 |
| 12:18.39 | adegoeij | I see |
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| 12:19.46 | adegoeij | Do you by any chance know whether it is possible to install standard Debian (ARM) onto the device? I'd like to build a mobile apache server, pref with ordinary gnome |
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| 13:30.17 | Mikho | Any C-coders here? I need to read some data from a socket (sys/socket.h), but can't find a way to read with a timeout. I'm currently using the read function defined in unistd.h |
| 13:31.23 | nomis | Mikho: use poll() or select() to check if there is something to read before actually reading. |
| 13:32.04 | Mikho | ok, I'll investigate into this. Thanks |
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| 13:32.36 | nomis | Mikho: if you're using glib you can also use the g_io_* family of functions. There are nifty things like io_watches. |
| 13:32.40 | Blacksito | buenos dias |
| 13:33.24 | Mikho | buenas tardes |
| 13:36.38 | Blacksito | hola Mikho |
| 13:38.23 | c0ffee | man select_tut for a nice tutorial on select |
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| 14:27.18 | leno29 | where is the code of your kernel? |
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| 15:14.53 | Jaffa | Anybody want to make any guesses on when we'll see IT OS 2008 (presuming, given we're getting closer to 4Q07/1Q08, that'll be the first end-user release of a Chinook-based OS) |
| 15:17.19 | mgedmin | ooh, ooh, I want to make a guess |
| 15:17.21 | mgedmin | "a new theme" |
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| 15:23.31 | jhs_s | hi! Maybe someone can help me here: After installing the chinook sdk in scratchbox, I always get |
| 15:23.31 | jhs_s | libtool: link: cannot find the library `/usr/lib/libatk-1.0.la' |
| 15:23.31 | jhs_s | though libatk1.0-dev is installed. Is the package broken? Same is for -lpangocairo! |
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| 15:24.23 | alucardo_6666 | the aircrack-ng v0.9 , have airodump in the package? |
| 15:25.38 | alucardo_6666 | I install it, but im not make work the aircrack :S:S .. some idea? |
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| 15:35.49 | alucardo_6666 | ú.u |
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| 15:43.05 | _stfn_ | Not that it's maemo specific, but as some of you probably own a N800, someone may probably give me a hint on this one... Is it a common problem, that the N800 suddenly can't be charged anymore? I tried several different charger, so it's basically possible that the battery or the N800 itself causes the problem... |
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| 15:52.10 | mgedmin | _stfn_: is the battery totally empty now? |
| 15:52.34 | mgedmin | there are some pecularities with the n800 and completely empty batteries |
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| 16:01.42 | zuh | jhs_s: You should probably remove all .la files from /usr/lib, they're mostly just harmful |
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| 16:11.05 | jhs_s | zuh: I think I tried this twice but i worked now, thanks! |
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| 16:27.35 | Jaffa | mgedmin: probably a lovely, over complicated one with fonts which are too big |
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| 16:29.18 | b0unc3 | hello |
| 16:29.18 | _Monkey | hello, b0unc3 |
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| 16:34.52 | Blacksito | buenas tardes |
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| 16:49.47 | Juhaz | mgedmin, because the OS controls charging and it can't boot even to that phase with completely empty battery? |
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| 16:51.04 | mgedmin | Juhaz: something like that |
| 16:51.16 | mgedmin | afaiu it still charges even when the os can't boot, but very slowly |
| 16:51.50 | ||cw | I thought the nokia's had a fully hardware controled charger |
| 16:52.08 | mgedmin | no |
| 16:52.15 | ||cw | I know the ipaq's require the OS to be booted to fast charge |
| 16:52.22 | mgedmin | it's something like that here, too |
| 16:52.29 | mgedmin | I could give you a reference to the relevant mails |
| 16:52.33 | alucardo_6666 | ||cw , do you have the kismet2006? |
| 16:52.37 | ||cw | no |
| 16:52.43 | alucardo_6666 | i really need the soft T_T and the link is dead.. |
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| 16:54.20 | alucardo_6666 | maybe a one people have the kismet 2006?? |
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| 16:57.09 | alucardo_6666 | i really need the kismet2006.. i have many hours searching.. and all the links is breaking ..please sendme the soft.. |
| 16:58.21 | ||cw | I don't even see a dead link, there is no link at all |
| 17:00.16 | alucardo_6666 | maybe only is online the kismet v2005 T_T.. |
| 17:00.31 | alucardo_6666 | anything have the kismet2006? |
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| 17:01.39 | ||cw | guess you'll have to compile it |
| 17:03.02 | alucardo_6666 | maybe is a good idea |
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| 18:14.19 | NoOneNo | *** Does anyone know if Navicore has a demo license? If not, how would one know if it was better/worth it over MaemoMapper ?? |
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| 18:49.24 | SE-Wilco | Is there an N800 IRC client? |
| 18:53.12 | pupnik | yes, gaim, xchat and irssi |
| 18:55.04 | SE-Wilco | No IRC showing in Application Manager. Browsing web cats now. Gaim or Pidgin? |
| 19:00.00 | SE-Wilco | OK, I see both Gaim and Pidgin on maemo.org. |
| 19:02.32 | pupnik | repositories? |
| 19:02.33 | _Monkey | repositories is, like, http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php |
| 19:03.09 | SE-Wilco | maemo-hackers added to Application Manager for Gaim's repository. |
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| 19:12.29 | SE-Wilco | (browsing apps...) What is IDEA again? It's one of those that thinks "IDEA" is enough of a description. |
| 19:13.15 | roope | I have no idea. *drumroll* |
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| 19:14.42 | SE-Wilco | Umpteen media players, all think "media player" is enough information to make me choose them. |
| 19:18.14 | pupnik | yes IDEA has bad description |
| 19:18.39 | pupnik | i tried to explain this to the author - please start your page with a simple description of what your app is supposed to do |
| 19:18.55 | pupnik | apparently you can create 'desktop links' and stuff |
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| 19:19.23 | pupnik | i use load-applet-run and osso-statusbar-cpu to invoke executeables and shellscripts now - simpler |
| 19:21.22 | NoOneNo | I have IDEA installed, and it is basically shortcuts on the desktop, but within a frame, so not quiet like a desktop shortcut |
| 19:22.28 | pupnik | ok i gotta get this pingus deb built... dagnabbit |
| 19:27.09 | Deformati | Allo everyone. |
| 19:27.38 | pupnik | "The whole idea of starting or finishing something is one of the scariest things in the world to me," Drew told Pitchfork in 2005. |
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| 19:32.02 | SE-Wilco | No luck with Gaim on N800. Click on "Sign on" and nothing happens other than a blue outline around "Sign on". I do have IRC checked for that account. |
| 19:32.31 | SE-Wilco | Oh, wait. My net link icon vanished. |
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| 19:35.22 | SE-Wilco | All better now. |
| 19:35.50 | pupnik | never tried gaim, but it's plugin architecture looks very sensible to me |
| 19:38.15 | NoOneNo | Does anyone here run Navicore 2007 ? |
| 19:39.00 | NoOneNo | (or 2006) |
| 19:39.21 | SE-Wilco | Liked Gaim on Linux for years; son needed IM and Pidgin blew up in MS-Win. Now to figure out how I want N800 sounds in my pocket. |
| 19:39.57 | Deformati | Yucky. |
| 19:40.00 | Deformati | Anyways. |
| 19:40.13 | Deformati | Has anyone here managed to compile gcc 4.1.2 for armel? |
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| 20:03.20 | MDK | I think I did at some point where trying to get the gdc D compiler working |
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| 20:10.14 | Deformati | Did you get it working? |
| 20:10.22 | Deformati | I am trying to get GDC as well. |
| 20:10.41 | Deformati | I have been an active member of the D community for about a year now. |
| 20:10.42 | Deformati | :) |
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| 20:23.19 | pupnik | http://youtube.com/watch?v=vjvVBCNcL_A for the finnish speakers - some strange a-capella (bad audio) |
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| 20:31.30 | Deformati | MDK? |
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| 20:42.09 | konttori | well, it will give you driving instructions even offline |
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| 20:49.15 | Deformati | Does anyone know why xterm is the only app that gets keyboard input? |
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| 20:54.20 | MDK | Deformati: I don't recall correctly, I was doing it long time ago |
| 20:54.33 | MDK | when gdc wasn't supporting 4.1.x |
| 20:54.59 | DigExorcist | hi guys - anyone here have experience with the i-tech virtual laser keyboard linking with the 770 or bluetooth keyboards in general? |
| 20:55.11 | Deformati | Did manage to get any gcc compiled natively on the 770? |
| 20:57.08 | MDK | gcc compiled natively? |
| 20:57.44 | Deformati | Well. |
| 20:57.45 | Deformati | Never mind. |
| 20:57.49 | Deformati | I will try to figure it out. |
| 20:59.41 | MDK | please do, having gdc working would be awsome |
| 21:00.19 | MDK | I managed to get old gdc + gcc 3.4.something version working with old arm target |
| 21:02.52 | Deformati | Michael Dominic Kostrzewa ? |
| 21:02.58 | Deformati | Ah, I already emailed you. |
| 21:03.00 | Deformati | :D |
| 21:03.27 | Deformati | I am not trying to make a cross compiler, I want everything onboard. |
| 21:04.55 | MDK | huh? Why |
| 21:05.35 | Deformati | Why not? |
| 21:06.03 | MDK | man, it's going to be a PITA to use it, even if possible |
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| 21:06.11 | MDK | it could be made as an add-on for sbox |
| 21:06.30 | Deformati | Why? |
| 21:06.38 | Deformati | I got my keyboard working on the 770. |
| 21:06.45 | Deformati | And D compiles lightning fast. |
| 21:07.32 | MDK | but why do something inferior, instead of doing it properly? |
| 21:07.42 | MDK | what are the benefits of running it natively? |
| 21:07.55 | MDK | you'll need a shitload of headers, libraries, suff |
| 21:08.08 | Deformati | D doesn't need headers. |
| 21:08.26 | MDK | you'll need headers to integrate with C |
| 21:08.30 | Deformati | And all the libraries are needed anyways. |
| 21:08.41 | Deformati | Not really. |
| 21:08.43 | MDK | unless you want to write GUI-less small apps |
| 21:09.29 | Deformati | Huh? |
| 21:09.46 | MDK | well, I presume you want to use hildon gui |
| 21:10.01 | Deformati | Why would I need headers? |
| 21:10.09 | Deformati | D reads the binary when you use extern. |
| 21:11.00 | MDK | defines for example? |
| 21:11.12 | MDK | structs? |
| 21:11.18 | Deformati | And the system needs the libraries ANYWAYS, that is, unless all apps are static linked, which I do not think they are. |
| 21:11.38 | Deformati | MDK, in D, you rewrite all all constants in the D code. |
| 21:11.43 | Deformati | You do not use the headers at all. |
| 21:11.49 | MDK | you're not getting it |
| 21:11.52 | MDK | I know how D works |
| 21:12.18 | Deformati | There are quite a few generators that make d bindings from headers, you don't need the headers themselves. |
| 21:12.21 | MDK | but you need the headers/defines and all the crap from Gtk/hildon/glib/pango/cairo to write anything meaningfull in the first place |
| 21:12.39 | MDK | anyways, good luck really |
| 21:12.56 | Deformati | I can just use the headers on scratchbox and generate bindings on the desktop. |
| 21:13.37 | MDK | I don't know, it might be a good way to see if it works |
| 21:13.46 | MDK | like, will the GC work, which is the key question |
| 21:13.58 | MDK | (it worked fine for my tests on old arm abi) |
| 21:14.04 | Deformati | Yeah, that os tricky. |
| 21:14.22 | Deformati | I know a few other D users that got it working on an arm. |
| 21:14.24 | MDK | but for any serious development it would be great to have it available in normal development |
| 21:14.27 | Deformati | With the new abi. |
| 21:15.14 | Deformati | Do you by chance know a list of the closed source components of the nokia 770 operating system? |
| 21:15.30 | Deformati | I want to start rewriting them. |
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| 21:19.19 | MDK | ask on the mailing list |
| 21:19.40 | MDK | note that most of the GUI stuff (toolkit, desktop, etc.) is fully open now (the Hildon bits) |
| 21:20.01 | ferulo | only the bright apps are closed :) |
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| 21:20.06 | Deformati | Yeah, but the browser, chatting? |
| 21:20.08 | MDK | other guys (ie. canonical & intel) are already adapting them for their stuff |
| 21:20.30 | MDK | microb is open afaik (mozilla web browser), chat & apps are not |
| 21:20.42 | ferulo | well, chat ui only |
| 21:20.52 | MDK | you'll have problems rewriting things related to hw |
| 21:20.53 | ferulo | all the underlying layers are open (telepathy, mission-control, etc...) |
| 21:20.55 | Deformati | I liek the default browser much moe than mozilla. |
| 21:21.09 | MDK | like codecs, dsp crap, etc. |
| 21:21.48 | Deformati | Yeah, I will leave that how it is. |
| 21:21.57 | Deformati | Thought I would liek to learn to program the DSP. |
| 21:22.00 | Deformati | Seems like so much fun. |
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| 21:40.53 | DigExorcist | hi guys - anyone here have experience with the i-tech virtual laser keyboard linking with the 770 or bluetooth keyboards in general? |
| 21:41.11 | Deformati | I got my usb keyboard working with the 770. |
| 21:41.16 | DigExorcist | I'm running into some major stability problems with the maemo-bt-driver |
| 21:41.17 | Deformati | I cannot figure out why it only works with xterm. |
| 21:41.50 | DigExorcist | When used with the maemo-bt-driver, when it works, the setup is nice - works in the browser, xterm, notepad, etc. |
| 21:41.53 | DigExorcist | when it works |
| 21:42.03 | DigExorcist | sometimes just turning on the bt keyboard crashes the thing |
| 21:43.15 | DigExorcist | sometimes it works great - like a rock, and perfect as it should |
| 21:43.28 | DigExorcist | most times it either locks the device, or just doesn't link |
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| 21:43.52 | DigExorcist | re-pairing the thing is a regular activity, and that's not 100% |
| 21:44.16 | DigExorcist | sometimes it won't detect it, other times it will, but if you don't do everything just right, no luck at all |
| 21:44.26 | DigExorcist | I'm wanting to perhaps log all the daemons involved, but i |
| 21:44.39 | DigExorcist | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:45.11 | DigExorcist | it's all supposed to syslog I guess, but i dont know where syslog is dumping the logs - definitely not in /var/log... |
| 21:50.49 | sp3000 | if you install syslogd it would |
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| 22:10.16 | DigExorcist | hmm |
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| 22:18.33 | DigExorcist | does installing this mean a reboot afterwards? |
| 22:23.01 | pupnik | do we have a command-line snapshot/screenshot tool? |
| 22:23.19 | pupnik | i need to take a series - or take them very quickly (preferably from the shell) |
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| 22:27.09 | pupnik | apt-get install mh-shot-tool |
| 22:27.19 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:27.24 | pupnik | hah nice depdencies |
| 22:28.21 | sp3000 | no shots til you've had your soup |
| 22:28.35 | pupnik | how did you know i'm making soup?! |
| 22:28.48 | pupnik | ah libsoup |
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| 22:35.42 | DigExorcist | sp3000, thanks - adding in syslogd does at least provide logging - now if bluetooth was just reliable... |
| 22:38.02 | scheater6 | A debian developer suggested I check out Maemo for an Archos brand media player. |
| 22:39.25 | pupnik | what is the OR for the archos? |
| 22:39.27 | pupnik | OS |
| 22:39.43 | scheater6 | It's linux based, with alot of proprietary stuff on top. |
| 22:39.49 | sp3000 | DigExorcist: caveats: careful about filling up the flash as that can cause weirdness; also, the many small writes will tend to cause slower bootup due to filesystem garbage collection |
| 22:40.11 | DigExorcist | I'm certain that I'll have to remove it soon |
| 22:42.30 | sp3000 | meh, I had syslog running for months in the spring without issue |
| 22:43.13 | DigExorcist | what's the name of the memory/screenshot app that sits next to the bt logo?? |
| 22:43.37 | DigExorcist | load-snap-run or something.. |
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| 22:44.07 | DigExorcist | load-applet-run - found it |
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| 22:46.39 | DigExorcist | What's the difference between shutting down using the power switch, and issuing a "shutdown -h now" from x-term as root? |
| 22:47.04 | scheater6 | pupnik: I see the title of this channel say for Nokia, so are these questions about the archos unwelcome? Or is Maemo a larger project? |
| 22:47.22 | pupnik | it's fine |
| 22:47.53 | pupnik | maemo is the development environment for the nokia tablets. ITOS is the OS that runs on the tablet devices. |
| 22:48.01 | pupnik | So i have no idea what 'maemo for archos' means |
| 22:48.43 | scheater6 | I've just heard about maemo. I literally know nothing about it other than a suggestion from a debian developer. Is it a linux distro? |
| 22:48.59 | pupnik | not really |
| 22:49.04 | pupnik | what do you want to do? |
| 22:49.50 | scheater6 | I'm almost certainly going to buy the Archos 605, and I would like to replace the OS. |
| 22:51.09 | pupnik | looks like a nice device |
| 22:52.18 | pupnik | a nokia 800 with 8GB SD cards is a good alternative though |
| 22:53.45 | scheater6 | Well, I have a massive media collection, and I'm really looking for a media player more than an internet tablet - but comparable media players without wifi cost only a little less, if not more (see 80Gb iPod video) |
| 22:53.51 | DigExorcist | the Archos lacks bluetooth |
| 22:54.38 | scheater6 | yea, I know. |
| 22:54.57 | DigExorcist | whats this thing cost?? |
| 22:55.08 | scheater6 | But I don't use bluetooth that often anyway. |
| 22:55.40 | DigExorcist | bt keyboards are nice though - when my laser keyboard works, it works great. |
| 22:55.48 | scheater6 | $250-$350, depending on storage space |
| 22:55.49 | DigExorcist | And it is accurate enough to work with |
| 22:56.25 | scheater6 | Yea, this thing would be a laptop replacement if I could put a keyboard with it. But, there again, the OS is the trouble - no text editor. |
| 22:58.10 | scheater6 | So, maemo is exclusively designed for the Nokia internet tablets, and is not likely to support hardware not on those tablets? |
| 22:58.36 | DigExorcist | I can't answer that - but my take is probably not |
| 22:58.53 | DigExorcist | Nokia did something different when they embraced open source with a nice little bit of hardware |
| 22:59.10 | DigExorcist | I think they're realizing now, on the back end, that the 770 |
| 22:59.27 | DigExorcist | has become far more popular now that it's price is below the $150 mark |
| 22:59.52 | scheater6 | Quite so - if there was one with a nice big harddrive it would definitely be my choice. |
| 23:03.23 | scheater6 | And I still may buy one just to take to class. But if I could get oss running on this Archos, it may well be something to take notice of. |
| 23:04.17 | scheater6 | "price is below the $150 mark" - that in American dollars? Because Amazon has the n800 at ~$350 and the 770 at ~$290 |
| 23:04.33 | DigExorcist | Frankly, when it first came out I looked at it and laughed - "what a stupid idea, who in the fuck would want to pay for that?" |
| 23:05.02 | DigExorcist | On ebay you can get 770's brand new for $149. get the Square-trade 3-year warranty for an extra $12 |
| 23:05.24 | scheater6 | good to know |
| 23:05.36 | DigExorcist | Now that the insides of the thing are out there, and people know what's underneath, and that folks can have root on it, it's become the portable hackers choice |
| 23:05.51 | DigExorcist | I can run freaking nmap over wireless now - that rocks! |
| 23:06.08 | DigExorcist | if only my i-tech keyboard worked reliably |
| 23:06.37 | scheater6 | I dunno if you'd call me a hacker, but I've gotten used to being able to get under the hood of an OS when I feel like it. |
| 23:08.30 | scheater6 | My main gripes with the Archos are: no feed reader, no text editor, and you have to pay for plugins for codecs (and still no ogg/flac) and the web browser. |
| 23:08.44 | scheater6 | NEway, if it won't support the hardware I guess maemo isn't for me. |
| 23:09.32 | scheater6 | Thank you for your time guys. And check out the Archos - get people to check out Archos. It's a darn good price on some good hardware - if eventually someone could get some good software running on it... |
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| 23:20.35 | pupnik | xwd -root |xwdtopnm |pnmtopng > screenshot.png << screenshot from command line - |
| 23:20.43 | pupnik | screenshot? |
| 23:33.04 | Deformati | Ugh. |
| 23:33.08 | Deformati | Fucking damnit. |
| 23:33.17 | Deformati | How could I just "Forget" how to draw. |
| 23:33.18 | Deformati | :( |
| 23:33.35 | Deformati | All of the sudden the girl I like is into art. |
| 23:33.40 | Deformati | And damn, I cannot draw anymore. |
| 23:33.47 | Deformati | Fsking stab stab |
| 23:34.04 | Deformati | Lolzors. |
| 23:34.45 | Deformati | Bleh, no other trolls. |
| 23:35.14 | pupnik | fyi: this channel is logged and searchable |
| 23:35.27 | Deformati | Why do I care? |
| 23:35.54 | Deformati | And freenode isn't supposed to be logged. |
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| 23:38.09 | Sulis | who says that freenode isn't supposed to be logged? |
| 23:39.22 | Deformati | Dunno, I read it somewhere. |
| 23:40.05 | Deformati | Some subpage of freenode.net |
| 23:42.01 | Sulis | what freenode says about logging http://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml |
| 23:42.11 | Deformati | Yeah. |
| 23:42.12 | Sulis | second paragraph from the bottom |
| 23:42.13 | Deformati | That's it. |
| 23:43.01 | Sulis | and to be fair, there is something in the topic |
| 23:43.12 | pupnik | i'll ask again - i need precisely timed or repeated screenshots - preferably triggered from ssh command-line to help debug dosbox errors |
| 23:43.13 | Deformati | Yeah, whatever. |
| 23:43.16 | Deformati | I don't really care. |
| 23:43.24 | pupnik | Is there a command-line screenshot tool for ITOS? |
| 23:43.25 | Deformati | I spam random garbage in irc when I am bored. |
| 23:44.10 | Sulis | oh right....perhaps you should get the stumbleupon toolbar for firefox, that helps to releave boredom |
| 23:44.18 | Deformati | If you just want to publish a single conversation, be careful to get permission from each participant. Provide as much context as you can. Avoid the temptation to publish or distribute logs without permission in order to portray someone in a bad light. The reputation you save will most likely be your own. |
| 23:44.27 | Deformati | Nah. |
| 23:44.36 | Deformati | Spamming irc dev channels is funner. |
| 23:44.46 | Deformati | Except this one is relatively boring. |
| 23:47.16 | pupnik | checking for XWD... Package xmuu was not found in the pkg-config search path. |
| 23:50.45 | Deformati | Hmm. |
| 23:50.51 | Deformati | Someone reteach me to draw. |
| 23:51.02 | Deformati | I am looking for skills outside of the small geek socialbase. |
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| 23:52.34 | unique311 | question |
| 23:52.34 | _Monkey | question is probably whether you can mask it well enough that they wouldnt notice |
| 23:52.38 | unique311 | ssh to N800 |
| 23:52.44 | unique311 | what is the default user password? |
| 23:52.55 | Deformati | Ugh, see, this is the problem with logged channels. |
| 23:52.59 | Deformati | No one replies. |
| 23:53.03 | Deformati | >.> |
| 23:53.11 | Deformati | unique311: root is rootme |
| 23:53.17 | unique311 | for user |
| 23:53.20 | pupnik | don't know. as root, set it to whatever you want with "passwd user" |
| 23:53.31 | Deformati | No clue. |
| 23:53.35 | unique311 | Deformati: you want to learn how to draw? |
| 23:53.36 | Deformati | Did you try just pressing enter? |
| 23:53.43 | unique311 | yeah |
| 23:53.44 | unique311 | no go |
| 23:53.47 | Deformati | unique311: Yeah. |
| 23:53.49 | unique311 | still want a passwrd |
| 23:53.55 | Deformati | I used to be insainly good at drawing. |
| 23:53.58 | Deformati | Not so much anymore. |
| 23:54.09 | unique311 | not good |
| 23:54.15 | unique311 | you never forget how to draw |
| 23:54.35 | unique311 | just probably impatient now. |
| 23:54.40 | Deformati | How come my drawings look like shit now? |
| 23:54.41 | Deformati | Ah. |
| 23:54.43 | Deformati | Could be. |
| 23:54.46 | unique311 | all you need is patience Deformati |
| 23:56.01 | unique311 | what do you like drawing? |
| 23:56.07 | pupnik | unique311: as root, type passwd user, and you will not be prompted for the old passwd |
| 23:56.12 | Deformati | unique311: people |
| 23:56.15 | unique311 | ok |
| 23:56.17 | pupnik | at least on my device |
| 23:56.26 | unique311 | thanks pupnik |
| 23:56.40 | unique311 | i gave up on people. |
| 23:57.20 | Deformati | unique311: I used to be able to trace a quarter, use it as the head, and it would still look like a person. |
| 23:57.24 | Deformati | Dispite the circular head. |
| 23:57.31 | unique311 | lol |
| 23:58.19 | Deformati | I cannot find any of my old doodles. |
| 23:58.27 | unique311 | trying to give up drawing on paper....which is why i purchase the N800 |
| 23:58.29 | Deformati | I have some of my longer drawings. |
| 23:58.36 | Deformati | Hehe. |
| 23:58.51 | Deformati | I used to be insane with ink. |
| 23:58.57 | Deformati | And some pencil. |
| 23:59.02 | unique311 | same. |
| 23:59.12 | Deformati | But it appears I lost some tallent. |
| 23:59.23 | Deformati | I believe my merging into the geek culture killed my artistic side. |
| 23:59.33 | unique311 | lol |
| 23:59.35 | Deformati | Ever since I learned to program, I cannot draw. |
| 23:59.43 | unique311 | get a wacom pad. |
| 23:59.48 | unique311 | it'll come back. |
