| 00:01.32 | bedboi | cool, it is not so good to /etc/init.d/dbus restart :) |
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| 00:53.19 | Deformative | Can someone please tar up a working maemo/scratchbox sdk for me please? |
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| 00:56.49 | Deformative | Can someone at least help me? |
| 00:56.55 | Deformative | 205 people and no help. |
| 00:57.07 | Deformative | Least talkative irc channel ever. |
| 00:57.08 | Deformative | Heh. |
| 00:57.21 | bedboi | tar? |
| 00:57.22 | _Monkey | i heard tar was distributed with busybox, which is default last I checked |
| 00:57.26 | bedboi | are you crazy? |
| 00:57.44 | Deformative | ? |
| 00:58.23 | bedboi | than it would be even worse for you |
| 00:58.33 | Deformative | Why? |
| 00:58.36 | bedboi | to get the stuff working |
| 00:58.45 | Deformative | I doubt it. |
| 00:59.04 | bedboi | because in the installation some files go in /etc/init.d/ for instance |
| 00:59.07 | bedboi | and what else |
| 00:59.08 | Deformative | This tutorial is completely ugh. |
| 00:59.20 | Deformative | Nothing there wirjs, |
| 00:59.52 | bedboi | brb, going home |
| 00:59.52 | Deformative | s/wirjs/works |
| 01:03.55 | RushPL | Deformative: so have you managed to log into scratchbox or not? |
| 01:04.07 | Deformative | Yes. |
| 01:04.18 | RushPL | installed SDK? |
| 01:04.33 | Deformative | But the version of scratchbox says that all the commands for installing the sdk is obsolete. |
| 01:04.37 | RushPL | (tutorial is not precisely exact, I think it's a bit outdated) |
| 01:04.40 | RushPL | ah :) |
| 01:04.54 | RushPL | there is one replacement command, that menu thing |
| 01:05.30 | Deformative | I know, but I cannot get it working. |
| 01:10.28 | Deformative | RushPL: Halp? |
| 01:12.09 | RushPL | erm, don't know how. So what are you exactly stucked on? |
| 01:12.13 | RushPL | installing sdk? |
| 01:12.20 | Deformative | Yes. |
| 01:12.59 | RushPL | so, upload your sdk to scratchbox's root |
| 01:13.13 | RushPL | do /scratchbox/login (or wherever you have it) |
| 01:13.18 | Deformative | Uh |
| 01:13.35 | Deformative | The tutorial says /scratchbox/login |
| 01:13.38 | Deformative | damn |
| 01:13.43 | Deformative | now you got me saying it |
| 01:13.47 | Deformative | The tutorial says /scratchbox/packages |
| 01:14.33 | RushPL | whatever, you select the file anyway |
| 01:14.39 | Deformative | I know. |
| 01:14.42 | Deformative | Which one do I need? |
| 01:14.50 | RushPL | probably both |
| 01:15.05 | RushPL | the pc one is for testing locally, and arm is for cross-compiling |
| 01:15.14 | Deformative | "Our reposiotry" points to only ONE |
| 01:15.15 | RushPL | the qemu won't be doing any cpu emulation |
| 01:15.18 | Deformative | Which pissed me off. |
| 01:15.32 | RushPL | I remember downloading both without a glitch :P |
| 01:15.52 | Deformative | So I need i386 and armel? |
| 01:16.02 | RushPL | yep |
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| 01:16.44 | bedboi | o |
| 01:16.50 | bedboi | ops |
| 01:20.28 | Deformative | Is there a tutorial for installing gcc on the nokia? |
| 01:22.29 | Deformative | RushPL: I got the rootstrap |
| 01:23.50 | RushPL | Deformative: superb, now do the scratchbox login and run sb-menu afterwards |
| 01:24.00 | Deformative | Done |
| 01:24.01 | RushPL | then "Create a new target" for each of the images |
| 01:24.37 | RushPL | and after that I think you should try to get that virtual X server, but I didn't manage to get that running. Good luck. :) |
| 01:25.18 | bedboi | Deformati: i remember that it was not that difficult setting up sbox |
| 01:25.40 | Deformative | The tutorial is COMPLETELY obsolete |
| 01:25.42 | Deformative | Nothing works |
| 01:26.34 | RushPL | Deformative: that's more FUUN this way! :> |
| 01:26.46 | Deformative | Not at all. |
| 01:29.10 | RushPL | can I force maemo's application to NOT delete my emails while I delete them locally? |
| 01:29.29 | RushPL | and it mixes all my emails from all accounts together :O |
| 01:29.41 | RushPL | Deformative: halp! |
| 01:30.04 | Deformative | ? |
| 01:30.10 | Deformative | I dunno. |
| 01:30.16 | Deformative | I set up gmail to work it it. |
| 01:30.19 | Deformative | But I didn't delete anything. |
| 01:31.34 | Deformative | There is no explanation for xephyr |
| 01:32.06 | RushPL | wtf, now it just asked me what to do. It just wanted to delete all from the server the last time. |
| 01:32.27 | RushPL | Deformative: xephyr is in xorg, should be shipped with arch. |
| 01:32.41 | RushPL | also you may find it as 'kdrive' or smth like that |
| 01:32.54 | Deformative | I installed ubuntu on an extra disk |
| 01:33.04 | RushPL | and the Tutorial suggests that Xephyr is actually in the scratchbox installation, it is not. |
| 01:33.12 | Deformative | Oh. |
| 01:33.13 | Deformative | Weirddd. |
| 01:33.15 | RushPL | so fuck the tutorial and install it separately. |
| 01:33.41 | RushPL | it just needs to set up a local X session at :2 |
| 01:34.03 | Deformative | Pisses me off. |
| 01:34.12 | Deformative | n800 gets a script to install this shit. |
| 01:34.56 | RushPL | we are poor n770 :( |
| 01:35.15 | RushPL | but n770 has far cooler looks! |
| 01:36.18 | RushPL | the fcuk, I can only locally delete only ONE message. |
| 01:40.35 | Deformative | All of the apps I have used on the 770 have been pretty shitty. |
| 01:40.55 | Deformative | Except like, the network manager, I like that one. |
| 01:43.21 | RushPL | I quite like the simple design of many of the apps, quite suits the LCARS-PADD theme. |
| 01:43.50 | RushPL | Deformative: http://home.rushabse.net/~rush/muu.jpg - From yesterday, my first run of xterm + ssh. :P |
| 01:44.29 | RushPL | but unfortunately many apps screw the font colors :( |
| 01:45.56 | bedboi | wow, is it normal that sbox uses svn 1.1? |
| 01:46.01 | bedboi | it is damn old |
| 01:46.02 | bedboi | and buggy |
| 01:46.08 | bedboi | and it doesn't support pegs |
| 01:46.12 | bedboi | at least for me |
| 01:46.39 | RushPL | but some operations take pretty damn long on Nokiam, and not everything has busy notifications. |
| 01:47.02 | Deformative | RushPL, the design is good, the apps are shit. |
| 01:47.24 | Deformative | The browser keeps crashing. |
| 01:47.43 | Deformative | The pdf viewer is pretty good. |
| 01:47.49 | Deformative | The contact stuff is HORRID. |
| 01:47.50 | RushPL | Deformative: and I don't like the mess when the windows are disappering, they leave rectangles which are filled with background. |
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| 01:48.00 | RushPL | I think it should be possible to buffer what was underneath. |
| 01:48.15 | Deformative | What windows are disappearing? |
| 01:48.29 | RushPL | click on menu, and click again to hide it. |
| 01:48.45 | Deformative | Oh. |
| 01:48.46 | RushPL | you should have some content underneath |
| 01:49.01 | RushPL | all disappearing windows leave that crap. |
| 01:49.22 | RushPL | Deformative: you're X11 specialist, do something about that. :P |
| 01:49.36 | Deformative | Doesn't happen for me. |
| 01:49.39 | RushPL | how about brutally hacking the source and do raw framebuffer reading/writing? :D I could do that |
| 01:49.48 | Deformative | Doesn't happen for me. |
| 01:49.52 | RushPL | Deformative: impossible, it has to ;) |
| 01:50.05 | Deformative | What os version? |
| 01:50.13 | RushPL | OS2006 |
| 01:50.14 | _Monkey | well, OS2006 is the second ABI (armel) for the Nokia 770 |
| 01:50.31 | Deformative | I am using os2006 v2 |
| 01:50.54 | Deformative | I was thinking about upgrading to v3, but I didn't see a reason to. |
| 01:51.10 | RushPL | I have v3, but that quirks happened on 2005 too. |
| 01:51.23 | Deformative | It really doesn't happen for me. |
| 01:52.22 | Deformative | I want to do some fixing, but so much is closed source. |
| 01:52.23 | Deformative | :( |
| 01:52.35 | Deformative | I want to do a top down rewrite in D. |
| 01:53.40 | RushPL | okay, maybe another quirk you will find actually notice. |
| 01:54.15 | RushPL | when those fancy themed menus pop-up, first the black rect is being drawn, then you can see the theme parts appearing. |
| 01:54.28 | RushPL | it's not being drawn in some backbuffer. |
| 01:54.50 | Deformative | Wait, what? |
| 01:54.51 | _Monkey | Wait, is nflick an uploader? |
| 01:54.59 | RushPL | it's not any fps intensive thing so it should be displayed once it is displayed. |
| 01:55.03 | RushPL | arm |
| 01:55.05 | RushPL | rendered |
| 01:55.20 | Deformative | No, explain how to reproduce. |
| 01:55.28 | Deformative | I think you have something messed up on your box. |
| 01:55.36 | Deformative | Because I have no idea what you are talking about. |
| 01:56.29 | Deformative | Maybe it is just your theme? |
| 02:01.19 | Deformative | Rush? |
| 02:01.26 | RushPL | Deformative: http://home.rushabse.net/~rush/770quirks.avi |
| 02:02.41 | Deformative | Sec, I need to install a movie player on this desktop |
| 02:03.24 | RushPL | lol |
| 02:03.31 | RushPL | buntubu |
| 02:03.34 | RushPL | no video player |
| 02:03.42 | Deformative | Ubuntu is on the laptop |
| 02:03.48 | Deformative | This is desktop |
| 02:04.05 | RushPL | ah, buu, youtube generation then. :> |
| 02:06.31 | Deformative | Ah |
| 02:06.37 | Deformative | That is so minimal. |
| 02:06.42 | Deformative | But yeah, that should be an easy fix. |
| 02:07.17 | Deformative | If that part is open, that is. |
| 02:07.20 | RushPL | I do not consider this minimal, I have good eyes for such things. Too much shooters. |
| 02:07.38 | Deformative | In X, you simply need to parent all the subwindows before the menu is mapped to screen. |
| 02:08.04 | Deformative | With a white theme it is far less noticeable. |
| 02:08.14 | RushPL | and this is parented to the background? |
| 02:08.31 | RushPL | like, root? |
| 02:08.52 | Deformative | The menu should be parented to root, yes, but the things you click on are parented to the menu. |
| 02:09.09 | Deformative | I find it VERY odd that it acts this way, I had figured gtk would eliminate such a problem. |
| 02:15.23 | Deformative | So. |
| 02:15.31 | Deformative | Deformative desperately wants to do so dev. |
| 02:15.39 | Deformative | I would like to be independent of the computer. |
| 02:15.41 | Deformative | Pure nokia. |
| 02:15.58 | Deformative | Just because it seems that the computer support is all but useless. |
| 02:17.36 | Deformative | No replies from nokia regarding gdc... |
| 02:17.38 | Deformative | :( |
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| 02:19.59 | [31d1] | is it possible to get better flash support without macromedia doing it? |
| 02:21.06 | Deformative | s/macromedia/adobe |
| 02:21.18 | Deformative | And linux/FreeBSD has been wondering that for years. |
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| 02:21.28 | [31d1] | oh, yeah |
| 02:21.35 | [31d1] | youtube viewer pls |
| 02:21.54 | Deformative | You could get gnash, but it's shitatic. |
| 02:22.08 | RushPL | it could play youtube though |
| 02:22.22 | RushPL | they were optimizing it for the sole purpose :D |
| 02:23.32 | Deformative | I do not know if it could play youtube on the nokia though. |
| 02:23.58 | Deformative | RushPL, so, this is interesting, how will we get gdc on the nokia? I guess we have to cross compile. |
| 02:24.07 | Deformative | That can be done without the gui. |
| 02:24.21 | Deformative | So we should be able to do it on our scratchbox installations? |
| 02:25.00 | RushPL | theoretically : |
| 02:25.01 | RushPL | :) |
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| 02:27.03 | Deformative | Email this guy RushPL: http://www.digitalmars.com/d/archives/digitalmars/D/gdc_nokia_arm-_-gnueabi_46720.html |
| 02:27.12 | Deformative | If he gives us a .deb it would save us a shit of work. |
| 02:27.31 | Deformative | Weird the way he is not in X. |
| 02:27.39 | Deformative | Oh, maybe fulls screen term |
| 02:27.48 | Deformative | No wait |
| 02:27.54 | Deformative | Full screen doesn't look like that. |
| 02:28.25 | Deformative | Maybe different version of the term. |
| 02:29.13 | Deformative | Oh, it does look like that with menus turned off. |
| 02:29.14 | Deformative | Neat. |
| 02:36.05 | Deformative | Oh. |
| 02:36.18 | Deformative | Wait, it doesn't work with armel |
| 02:36.20 | Deformative | Damnittt,. |
| 02:36.29 | Deformative | We shall make it work. |
| 02:41.01 | RushPL | wow, mplayer on 770 is really running well |
| 02:41.13 | RushPL | I could watch fullscreen movies on this thing |
| 02:41.45 | Deformative | What is CodeSourcery ? |
| 02:41.59 | Deformative | RushPL: not enough storage. |
| 02:42.16 | RushPL | Deformative: of course enough, after reencoding. |
| 02:42.29 | Deformative | Well. |
| 02:42.32 | RushPL | http://bleb.org/software/770/770-encode.pl |
| 02:43.43 | RushPL | dunno about CodeSourcery |
| 02:44.38 | RushPL | I'm encoding Bourne :D |
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| 03:00.01 | RushPL | night |
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| 03:35.15 | bedboi | is there any document which describes the maemo way of setting up a deb repository? |
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| 04:08.54 | [31d1] | on this page there seems to be instructions for putting flash 9 on a 770 |
| 04:08.57 | [31d1] | but running os20007 |
| 04:09.25 | [31d1] | would that definitely not work on os2006 is what im wondering |
| 04:09.34 | [31d1] | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9571 |
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| 08:40.42 | latzko | hi |
| 08:40.43 | _Monkey | que tal, latzko |
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| 08:43.12 | latzko | I have an "warning: implicit declaration of function `strptime'" undel sbox-ARMEL, despite of #include <time.h>. can you help plz why should it be? |
| 08:44.11 | latzko | char *res = strptime(birthday, "%b %d, %Y", &tm_date); birthday is const gchar* |
| 09:04.17 | bearclaw_ | my man strptime on debian #define _XOPEN_SOURCE /* glibc2 needs this */ #include <time.h>says |
| 09:04.33 | bearclaw_ | oops pasted at the wrong place |
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| 09:18.11 | latzko | bearclaw_, time.h says # ifdef __USE_XOPEN but #define __USE_XOPEN 1 does not work |
| 09:20.31 | latzko | neither _XOPEN_SOURCE |
| 09:21.27 | bearclaw_ | hmm I concurr |
| 09:23.11 | bearclaw_ | there must be an other define required |
| 09:28.01 | bearclaw_ | or something #undef the __use_xopen |
| 09:28.53 | bearclaw_ | /usr/include/features.h has one |
| 09:33.32 | latzko | yepp #define _GNU_SOURCE solved this |
| 09:33.39 | latzko | tnx anyway |
| 09:44.26 | bearclaw_ | stupid man page... :) |
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| 09:59.11 | lardman | I need to do endianness conversion, and am planning on using something like the following: http://pastebin.com/d3024c51e |
| 09:59.35 | lardman | the question is, will elements of structures work with this? |
| 10:00.39 | lardman | i.e. does &somestruct.someelement == &somestruct + offsetof(struct somestruct, someelement) ? |
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| 10:01.28 | bearclaw_ | I think yes, that's the point of offsetof |
| 10:01.52 | lardman | so they don't actually match, or rather the first one doesn't work? |
| 10:02.24 | bearclaw_ | (type*)((char*)&somestruct + offset) more precisely |
| 10:03.11 | lardman | hmm, I'll need to fix my endianness swapping code then |
| 10:03.12 | bearclaw_ | lardman: you forgot the break after each case |
| 10:04.07 | lardman | thanks, was just something I scribbled down quickly |
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| 10:05.08 | lardman | too much MATLAB too, forgetting C |
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| 10:06.46 | gpd | anyone know where I can get the correct package for libgtk-x11-2.0? |
| 10:07.01 | gpd | I did an upgrade of magic:sys and all is not well. |
| 10:07.15 | gpd | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/users/26420 |
| 10:07.27 | gpd | that describes my symptoms - but I don't really want to reflash ! |
| 10:08.21 | gpd | actually, not my symptoms, but same problem. my only problem is that maemo-mapper won't run and complains: |
| 10:08.27 | gpd | maemo-mapper: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: osso_g_scanner_cache_open |
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| 10:16.12 | lardman | gpd: simply you either need to update the build of maemo-mapper, or downgrade your version of libgtk |
| 10:16.28 | lardman | gpd: Neither of which will be especially easy I imagine |
| 10:16.42 | gpd | lardman: any idea where to get the downgraded version of libgtk? |
| 10:17.06 | gpd | i presume that one comes on the flash image and so isn't in a repository? |
| 10:17.22 | lardman | well it shoud be in a repo |
| 10:17.54 | lardman | though I don;t know where |
| 10:18.10 | gpd | 2.6.10-2.osso30 libgtk2.0-0 <- is that the one you have? |
| 10:18.19 | lardman | n800? |
| 10:18.20 | _Monkey | n800 is much better than a desk phone :-) |
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| 10:18.44 | gpd | yes, n800 |
| 10:19.30 | lardman | The file is called libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.600.10 |
| 10:20.13 | gpd | I have that in /usr/lib with size 2404212 Jan 25 2007 |
| 10:21.44 | lardman | mine's march 21 14:08 2348888 bytes |
| 10:24.59 | gpd | well i can't find the newer version right now :( |
| 10:25.17 | gpd | guess I'll have to reflash -- aargh |
| 10:25.28 | lardman | sorry |
| 10:27.14 | lardman | bearclaw_: Interesting, that code does work (with the addition of the breaks - thanks) |
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| 10:32.37 | gpd | Software Edition 2007 version 4.2007.26-8 <<-- is that hacker only atm? |
| 10:32.50 | gpd | or am I just way behind? |
| 10:33.36 | lardman | hacker edition only afaik |
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| 10:36.04 | bearclaw_ | the 770 port is hacker only, the 800 version is not |
| 10:36.15 | bearclaw_ | (if I got that right) |
| 10:36.25 | gpd | yeah - that 4.2 is the one with skype etc. - i was forgetting |
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| 10:40.50 | gpd | has anyone written up a reminder list of things to do after a reflash? |
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| 11:01.25 | bearclaw_ | what is the clean way to update autoconf in scratchbox? |
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| 12:32.12 | onion | reboot loop.. again |
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| 13:24.51 | pupnik | btw changing the user password caused no problems here |
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| 13:33.18 | pupnik | repositories? |
| 13:33.19 | _Monkey | repositories is, like, http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php |
| 13:35.38 | red-zack | pupnik: anyway to change the username of "user" to another one? |
| 13:36.01 | red-zack | btw,hi |
| 13:36.04 | red-zack | :) |
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| 13:41.54 | pupnik | don't change username |
| 13:41.57 | pupnik | servus |
| 13:42.06 | red-zack | k |
| 13:43.18 | _|Nix|_ | Hmmm ... does anyone know of a place where I can get a libgnutls later than the one from maemo-hackers? I'm trying to build pidgin-2.2.0, and I think 1.0.16 will no longer do :o( |
| 13:43.59 | _|Nix|_ | i.e., a repo other than m-h.o |
| 13:45.03 | pupnik | New freesci Sierra Adventure Game interpreter release - http://pupnik.de/freesci.html |
| 13:45.34 | pupnik | repositories? |
| 13:45.35 | _Monkey | repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php |
| 13:47.27 | _|Nix|_ | gronmayer.com DNE, AFAIK. |
| 13:47.41 | pupnik | i just used it |
| 13:48.01 | Molagi | http://www.fortunewatch.com/how-a-millionaires-brain-works/ |
| 13:48.32 | _|Nix|_ | Oh, there it is ... weird ... firefox hickup ... |
| 13:54.00 | pupnik | Molagi [i=samurai@a88-112-4-196.elisa-laajakaista.fi |
| 13:54.56 | Molagi | indeed |
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| 14:01.00 | pupnik | http://pupnik.de/freesci.html - for Kings Quest, Space Quest, Leisure Suit Larry etc... on your Nokia 770 / 800 internet tablet |
| 14:01.37 | Molagi | awesome |
| 14:01.52 | pupnik | just added that for the search engines |
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| 14:18.53 | bearclaw_ | anyone know where I can buy a cable to connect the bluetooth antenna? I think I must look for a mmcx male to mmcx female cable |
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| 14:26.13 | bearclaw_ | nobody seems to be manufacturing such a cable |
| 14:28.00 | Molagi | how can i get superuser privilige? |
| 14:28.28 | bearclaw_ | install sshd, log in as root |
| 14:28.51 | bearclaw_ | I think it's the easiest way |
| 14:28.57 | Molagi | where can i get the sshd? |
| 14:29.13 | bearclaw_ | its in the packages |
| 14:29.18 | bearclaw_ | repositories I mean |
| 14:29.31 | Molagi | ok ill check that out |
| 14:29.31 | Molagi | ty |
| 14:30.34 | bearclaw_ | just add http://maemo-hackers.org/apt bora main and http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ bora free in the app manager |
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| 14:33.10 | Molagi | is it named sshd |
| 14:33.46 | bearclaw_ | yup |
| 14:33.56 | bearclaw_ | or openssh |
| 14:33.56 | _Monkey | i think openssh is to big for embbeded devince (just sbz's opinion) and dropbear is done for that, so ... |
| 14:34.12 | bearclaw_ | or dropbear... |
| 14:34.13 | _Monkey | dropbear is a relatively small SSH 2 server and client. http://matt.ucc.asn.au/dropbear/dropbear.html |
| 14:35.10 | Molagi | hmm unable to install openssh |
| 14:35.49 | Molagi | i think i got dropbear already |
| 14:37.32 | tso | to bad there is no "simple" way to start or stop the ssh server :( |
| 14:46.58 | Molagi | hmm how do i get root |
| 14:47.07 | Molagi | i got the dropbear installed |
| 14:47.22 | pupnik | becomeroot? |
| 14:47.22 | _Monkey | i think becomeroot is is easily obtained from [770/OS2006] http://eko.one.pl/maemo/dists/mistral/user/binary-armel/becomeroot_0.1-2_armel.deb or [770/OS2007HE and N800/OS2007] http://eko.one.pl/maemo/dists/bora/user/binary-armel/becomeroot_0.1-2_armel.deb or for a more long winded method http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_BecomeRoot |
| 14:47.26 | bearclaw_ | tso: you can put menu entries pointing to scripts starting and stopping th ssed |
| 14:47.41 | Molagi | thx |
| 14:47.53 | tso | maybe so bearclaw_, but it would be nice if it was included ;) |
| 14:48.06 | pupnik | somebody fix monkey's response there |
| 14:48.13 | pupnik | or ssh root@localhost |
| 14:49.15 | bearclaw_ | even the custom cable ordering at http://www.hyperlinktech.com/ doesn't have MMCX female |
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| 14:52.14 | Molagi | now that i installed becomeroot, am i now the root? |
| 14:53.10 | Molagi | requested operation requires superuser privilige |
| 14:53.22 | bearclaw_ | just start becomeroot in a term if i remember well |
| 14:53.50 | Molagi | whats the command |
| 14:54.20 | bearclaw_ | becomeroot? |
| 14:54.21 | _Monkey | i think becomeroot is is easily obtained from [770/OS2006] http://eko.one.pl/maemo/dists/mistral/user/binary-armel/becomeroot_0.1-2_armel.deb or [770/OS2007HE and N800/OS2007] http://eko.one.pl/maemo/dists/bora/user/binary-armel/becomeroot_0.1-2_armel.deb or for a more long winded method http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_BecomeRoot |
| 14:54.30 | Molagi | becomeroot not found |
| 14:56.55 | Molagi | im such a noob with these things |
| 14:57.10 | Molagi | i only want to try that freeSCI thingy |
| 14:57.41 | pupnik | :) |
| 14:57.51 | pupnik | sido gainroot |
| 14:58.02 | pupnik | the becomeroot help needs to be fixed in monkey |
| 14:58.07 | pupnik | sudo gainroot in xterm |
| 14:58.11 | pupnik | and password is rootme |
| 14:58.28 | pupnik | either that or if you have ssh installed, you should be able to ssh root@localhost and login as root |
| 14:58.31 | bearclaw_ | game over, all small antennas are rubber duck type, bigger antennas with MMCX connector are too big, and its impossible do get a MMCX male-female cable |
| 14:58.46 | Molagi | oh thx |
| 14:59.08 | pupnik | Molagi: eventually i'll get freesci polished enough to go into the repositories, i just have to work harder at it. |
| 14:59.14 | erstazi | I didn't know mono was so popular with nokia tablet users that even mono's website lists an .install for 770 and n800! |
| 14:59.32 | Molagi | pupnik ok |
| 15:00.03 | pupnik | Molagi - scummvm is polished and working well - http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/scummvm_0.10.0-4_armel.deb Monkey Island etc (lucasarts games) |
| 15:00.08 | erstazi | Molagi: of course, when you get connected through xterm or ssh, change your passwords! |
| 15:00.15 | erstazi | Molagi: passwd root |
| 15:00.22 | erstazi | Molagi: then passwd user |
| 15:00.45 | erstazi | everyone knows that the root's default password is rootme |
| 15:00.46 | erstazi | ok brb |
| 15:01.28 | Molagi | heh |
| 15:01.29 | Molagi | okay |
| 15:04.14 | Deformative | Best way to become root is to ssh to root@localhost |
| 15:04.18 | Deformative | :) |
| 15:05.36 | pupnik | awesome - big family reunion and the restaurant has set up wlan for me |
| 15:05.47 | pupnik | so everybody will get to play with 770+internet :) |
| 15:07.59 | [31d1] | sudo -s |
| 15:14.10 | pupnik | dropbear scp sux :( |
| 15:14.42 | pupnik | keeps stalling out on me. am i the only one? cp, stall, cp, stall ... |
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| 15:16.44 | lizhao | hello, I have a question about maemo-icon in debian/control |
| 15:17.16 | lizhao | anybody can help on this? thanks in advance |
| 15:17.17 | pupnik | maemowizard? |
| 15:17.17 | _Monkey | hmmm... maemowizard is a silly script I made to create packages for SDL applications easier |
| 15:19.21 | Molagi | pupnik where can i get games for scummvm |
| 15:20.19 | pupnik | http://geocities.yahoo.com.br/daniel_on_go/MaemoWizard03.zip lizhao <- that has an example icon for you |
| 15:20.32 | pupnik | Molagi: dunno - stw |
| 15:20.48 | Molagi | k |
| 15:21.13 | pupnik | 'abandonware' sites, or maybe lucasarts has released some for download |
| 15:22.47 | Molagi | hmm okay |
| 15:23.00 | Molagi | i thought the games were somehow "converted" for scummvm |
| 15:23.09 | pupnik | no - originals - same with freesci |
| 15:23.17 | Molagi | ok great |
| 15:24.09 | lizhao | hi, pupnik, I have icons, the problem is how to embed them into debian/control |
| 15:24.27 | lizhao | I use: uuencode -m xxx.26x26.png /dev/stdout |
| 15:24.34 | lizhao | and copy the result into debian/control |
| 15:24.36 | roxfan | there were some sierra classic collections released recently |
| 15:24.59 | lizhao | however, seems the icon won't show in application installer |
| 15:25.26 | roxfan | http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000AYH89M SQ 1-5 |
| 15:26.00 | roxfan | http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00001OWYP ?? |
| 15:26.39 | erstazi | pupnik: I only use openssh, even though its a tad larger install size, its more effective |
| 15:27.09 | pupnik | does openssh give you pauses when using scp for large files? |
| 15:27.20 | pupnik | what is transfer rate to mmc? |
| 15:27.40 | pupnik | dropbear varies between 0 and 300kB/s |
| 15:30.16 | Deformative | Does anyone know what CodeSourcery is exactly? |
| 15:30.26 | lizhao | hi, pupnik, I just copyed the xb-maemo-icon-26 section from your maemowizard03.zip into my debian/control |
| 15:30.34 | lizhao | however, failed again |
| 15:35.58 | suihkulokki | Deformative: a company that works on gcc |
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| 15:37.15 | m-vo | lizhao: paste your whole debian/control |
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| 15:38.22 | lizhao | Source: sdcv |
| 15:38.22 | lizhao | Priority: optional |
| 15:38.22 | lizhao | Section: user/utils |
| 15:38.22 | lizhao | Maintainer: Li, Zhao <lizhao@lizhao.net> |
| 15:38.22 | lizhao | Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 4.0.0), gettext, zlib1g-dev, pkg-config, libglib2.0-dev, libreadline5-dev | libreadline-dev |
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| 15:39.03 | lizhao | m-vo, sorry |
| 15:39.16 | lizhao | too long to mess up screen |
| 15:41.18 | Deformative | suihkulokki: Why does codesource have it's own runtime? |
| 15:41.22 | Deformative | Other than glibc |
| 15:41.27 | Deformative | Doesn't that cause some suckage? |
| 15:41.40 | Deformative | What uses which runtime on the nokia? |
| 15:41.52 | suihkulokki | runtime? |
| 15:42.09 | Deformative | Oh wait. |
| 15:42.11 | suihkulokki | your smoking crack |
| 15:42.36 | Deformative | Yeah. |
| 15:42.42 | Deformative | I was thinking of something completely different. |
| 15:42.59 | Deformative | I apologize. |
| 15:43.07 | lizhao | hi, m-vo, I sent email to you |
| 15:43.59 | m-vo | ok, let's see... |
| 15:49.20 | RushPL_ | Deformative: what's up? |
| 15:50.35 | Deformative | RushPL: Trying to setup an environment for me to compile in. |
| 15:50.38 | Deformative | So I can get gdc |
| 15:51.23 | Deformative | With gdc/gcc, the nokia should be able to self sustain itself. |
| 15:51.40 | Deformative | Independant of the desktop that is |
| 15:54.49 | RushPL | yep, I'd like to have the compile environment too, but I need bluetooth keyboard. The damn virtual keyboard is killing me. |
| 15:55.17 | Deformative | Yeah. |
| 15:55.26 | RushPL | Also fuse-gui doesn't want to install because of some python conflict, I wanted to have fuse-ssh. |
| 15:55.30 | Deformative | Could always write on desktop, compile on nokia |
| 15:55.32 | Deformative | Heh |
| 15:55.37 | Deformative | Until we get keyboards |
| 15:57.42 | [31d1] | just ssh into the nokia |
| 16:00.08 | Deformative | Yeah. |
| 16:00.12 | Deformative | That's a good point. |
| 16:00.31 | Deformative | Are nokia supposed to loose connection when idle for a long time? |
| 16:01.39 | sp3000 | what kind of lose |
| 16:01.48 | sp3000 | as in by what indicators |
| 16:02.08 | Deformative | The icon does not have the antenna anymore. |
| 16:03.53 | RushPL | I saw some setting for that in the control panel. |
| 16:05.40 | Deformative | Maybe data call idle time? |
| 16:05.49 | Deformative | It is currently at 5 minutes |
| 16:07.18 | sp3000 | more like the corresponding wlan timeout |
| 16:09.19 | Deformative | Hmm,. |
| 16:09.28 | Deformative | In cpu transparency, why is qemu not listed/ |
| 16:09.30 | Deformative | ? |
| 16:09.37 | Deformative | The tutorial says it should be there. |
| 16:10.01 | RushPL | damn damn, even the chat has black font on black background. |
| 16:10.15 | RushPL | are these apps open source? |
| 16:10.21 | RushPL | I would very like to fix them |
| 16:10.39 | Deformative | RushPL: I think most are not. |
| 16:10.43 | bedboi | re |
| 16:10.46 | Deformative | I would like to fix them as well. |
| 16:11.05 | RushPL | Deformative: no kidding, serious? |
| 16:11.30 | Deformative | The browser, pdf reader, chat, etc I think are not. |
| 16:11.43 | Deformative | You can get the sources from the nokia site, I already did. |
| 16:11.52 | Deformative | And the naming is all screwed up. |
| 16:11.58 | Deformative | So I cannot tell what does what. |
| 16:12.29 | Deformative | That is why I suggested you and myself did a top down rewrite in D and fully open source. |
| 16:12.35 | inz | pdf reader is oss |
| 16:13.14 | Deformative | Oh. |
| 16:13.22 | Deformative | What about the file browser? |
| 16:13.42 | Deformative | The pdf viewer is the best working app on it. |
| 16:13.44 | Deformative | IMO |
| 16:13.51 | inz | closed, i think |
| 16:14.00 | Deformative | It's great because I have so many pdf books. |
| 16:14.12 | Deformative | The browser renderer is good. |
| 16:14.16 | Deformative | The browser itself, is not |
| 16:14.34 | inz | which renderer |
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| 16:14.41 | Deformative | It is opera, no? |
| 16:14.49 | RushPL | there's always that minimo, but the level of integration is poor. |
| 16:14.51 | Deformative | Whatever it is, it works well. |
| 16:14.54 | RushPL | and it's slower I think. |
| 16:15.15 | RushPL | (it has Gecko 2.0) |
| 16:15.27 | Deformative | Well. |
| 16:15.47 | Deformative | Rendering engines are super boring to make. |
| 16:16.07 | inz | you can install microb (gecko) on newest n800 sw |
| 16:16.23 | Deformative | We are both on 770 |
| 16:16.30 | inz | but ope |
| 16:16.35 | inz | oops |
| 16:16.48 | Deformative | RushPL: once I get gdc/gcc working, I am going to start rewriting things with or without you. :P |
| 16:17.04 | Deformative | But gdc is rumored not to work on armel |
| 16:17.04 | Deformative | :( |
| 16:17.10 | bedboi | Deformative: are you serious about D, i mean is it consolidated an robust? |
| 16:17.44 | Deformative | bedboi: I program almost exclusively in D because I like it so much better than the rest. |
| 16:18.02 | RushPL | Deformative: I'm not decided for any bigger commitment yet, most of the things work just fine but I'm getting more and more pissed so it may change. :) |
| 16:18.24 | bedboi | are there bindings for glib, gtk, Hildon, blabla |
| 16:18.26 | bedboi | ? |
| 16:18.42 | Deformative | bedboi: C bindings are simple in D. |
| 16:18.59 | Deformative | There is a generator that works perfectly. |
| 16:19.22 | Deformative | Then I could go ahead and make a wrapper or whatever. |
| 16:19.54 | bedboi | what about the cleanness of the assembly? |
| 16:20.05 | bedboi | portability, blabla |
| 16:20.10 | Deformative | D's abi is not frozen yet. |
| 16:20.13 | Deformative | But it is very good. |
| 16:20.30 | Deformative | Walter has extensive experience from his C/C++ compilers |
| 16:20.45 | Deformative | It is all the work of one man, so it is very well designed, unlike huge team projects. |
| 16:20.50 | m-vo | lizhao, the base64 encoding in your debian/control is corrupted. |
| 16:21.23 | m-vo | There is a dubios '+' at the end of line 8, for example |
| 16:22.02 | Deformative | Hmm, I don't understand how to get cpu transparency detected in scratchbox |
| 16:22.11 | bedboi | Deformative: what you are saying about huge team projects is not always true. |
| 16:22.28 | lizhao | hi, m-vo, are you talking about: |
| 16:22.28 | lizhao | there are duplicated |
| 16:22.33 | bedboi | it is just a common side effect |
| 16:22.34 | lizhao | sSv6wkFOTIAM2HOKAECf/lr9ug90EhDx4B63/EkwDFZx9d1u7D0JvgcAcOJz+ |
| 16:23.08 | lizhao | but it is copyed from other package |
| 16:23.16 | lizhao | I also tried to copy from maemo example |
| 16:23.29 | Deformative | bedboi: it is often true |
| 16:23.39 | Deformative | GCC is a good example. |
| 16:23.42 | lizhao | plz ignore "there are duplicated " |
| 16:24.00 | Deformative | But |
| 16:24.07 | Deformative | The d frontend does work on gcc |
| 16:24.07 | RushPL | Deformative: so you want to do everything froms scratch? |
| 16:24.08 | Deformative | So whatever |
| 16:24.24 | Deformative | RushPL: No |
| 16:24.25 | Deformative | Top down |
| 16:24.36 | Deformative | Not bottom up |
| 16:24.43 | Deformative | That way it continues to be usable as we go. |
| 16:24.57 | lizhao | BTW: m-vo, how to check whether the section is corrupted? |
| 16:25.16 | m-vo | What do you mean? Which section? |
| 16:25.25 | bedboi | Deformative: can you be low level in D? |
| 16:25.30 | m-vo | Ahh, the "Maemo-Icon-26" field? |
| 16:25.35 | Deformative | bedboi: of course |
| 16:25.37 | bedboi | i mean, C is good because you can write whatever you want. |
| 16:25.46 | Deformative | You can do anything you want in D. |
| 16:25.49 | bedboi | on whatever platform |
| 16:25.57 | Deformative | There exists a purely D runtime even. |
| 16:26.14 | Deformative | There have been a few D kernels |
| 16:26.18 | Deformative | Some hardware drivers |
| 16:26.24 | m-vo | I tried to decode it using "base64-decode" and it gave me some warnings and produced a corrupted PNG file. |
| 16:26.36 | bedboi | Deformative: you have also C++ kernels. |
| 16:26.53 | Deformative | bedboi: your point? |
| 16:27.48 | bedboi | Deformative: the fact is how they work. how the code performs |
| 16:28.28 | Deformative | Your words are not making sense to me. |
| 16:28.35 | Deformative | RushPL? |
| 16:28.42 | RushPL | don't ask me :P |
| 16:29.00 | Deformative | Hehe. |
| 16:29.43 | bedboi | Deformative: all new languages tends to declare as "the best ever" |
| 16:30.01 | Deformative | bedboi: Well then try it. |
| 16:30.21 | bedboi | or something like that, they tend also to say they are the fastest in the world (even java did it!!!!) |
| 16:30.51 | Deformative | Java's VM is reasonably fast. |
| 16:30.53 | Deformative | I wouldn't use it. |
| 16:30.57 | Deformative | But it's not that slow. |
| 16:31.01 | m-vo | lizhao, if you just want some icon for testing, you can use the one from http://hildon-app-mgr.garage.maemo.org/packaging.html |
| 16:31.12 | bedboi | it is hell slow, trying to do something low level |
| 16:31.17 | RushPL | bedboi: but all those languages tend to completely disregard C. |
| 16:31.21 | Deformative | But in my experience, D is very fast. |
| 16:32.06 | Deformative | Speed is very difficult to measure. |
| 16:32.11 | bedboi | yep itis. |
| 16:32.22 | m-vo | I hear D doesn't have closures. True? |
| 16:32.33 | Deformative | bedboi: D is compiled to native code. |
| 16:32.34 | lizhao | oh, m-vo, I am trying the codes in the page you gave |
| 16:32.39 | lizhao | hope it works |
| 16:33.32 | Deformative | bedboi: Which often implies faster code, but many disagree with that statement. |
| 16:33.32 | bedboi | Deformative: btw, you can benchmark some simple applications and see if at least they are comparable (not orders of magnitude difference) |
| 16:33.32 | Molagi | what program do i need to unpack .tgz? |
| 16:33.32 | m-vo | Note that in debian/control you need to use "XB-Maemo-Icon-26", not "Maemo-Icon-26" as given in the AM docs. |
| 16:33.32 | Deformative | bedboi: http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/sandbox/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=all |
| 16:33.51 | Deformative | bedboi: Pre-1.0 D was the #1 on that list. |
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| 16:34.01 | Deformative | But D's speed decreased very slightly after 1.0 |
| 16:34.12 | Deformative | Still damn fast. |
| 16:34.36 | m-vo | speed is not the problem for most of the code, correctness and maintainability are. |
| 16:34.54 | Deformative | m-vo: agreed |
| 16:34.56 | bedboi | m-vo: it does depend on what you are writing. |
| 16:35.01 | Deformative | m-vo: but it doesn't hurt |
| 16:35.02 | Deformative | :) |
| 16:35.08 | Deformative | Speed is always a good plus. |
| 16:35.10 | bedboi | if you are writing high level applications it is quite true (quite) |
| 16:35.13 | lizhao | hi, m-vo, it does not work |
| 16:35.17 | RushPL | I did some pure computational speed algorithmic job in D and compared it to C. The GC proved to be quite a burden, but you can easily disable it. Without GC it managed almost as well as C. |
| 16:35.27 | lizhao | actually, I tried several samples in maemo webpages |
| 16:35.47 | lizhao | any further idea about what I should check? |
| 16:36.01 | Deformative | m-vo: Do you mean delegates? |
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| 16:36.29 | m-vo | Deformative, languages in the C family sacrifice expressiveness in the name of speed. From what I hear, D doesn't, which is nice. |
| 16:36.52 | Deformative | m-vo: D does whatever the hell walter feels like. |
| 16:37.11 | Deformative | He is our bright(haha) dictator whom we all love. :P |
| 16:37.31 | m-vo | Deformative, no, nested functions where the life-time of the inner function can exceed that of the outer function and the inner function can still refer to variables of the outer function. |
| 16:38.20 | Deformative | We have nested functions, and we have nested function pointers. |
| 16:38.34 | Deformative | nested function pointer = delegate |
| 16:38.40 | m-vo | "nested function pointers"? How can you nest values? |
| 16:38.55 | Deformative | No, we have pointers to nested functions. |
| 16:39.04 | m-vo | Ahh, of course. |
| 16:39.07 | Deformative | And pointers to object methods |
| 16:39.39 | Deformative | I don't know about closures though, I have never looked into something like that. |
| 16:39.47 | Deformative | Well, maybe I have |
| 16:39.52 | Deformative | But I don't quite understand what you mean |
| 16:39.57 | Deformative | Maybe RushPL does |
| 16:40.03 | Molagi | how can i unpack a .tgz file? |
| 16:40.12 | ch4os_ | tar xvpzf |
| 16:40.17 | m-vo | Deformative, can you read Scheme? |
| 16:40.27 | m-vo | I could give a very simple example. |
| 16:40.37 | Molagi | mmmok |
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| 16:41.37 | Deformative | I can read very basic scheme |
| 16:41.40 | Molagi | so if i want to unpack like test.tgz i write tar xvpzf test.tgz? |
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| 16:41.49 | ch4os_ | Molagi: yes |
| 16:41.51 | Deformative | And I can read basic erlang, I am on chaper 5 of erlang if I remember correctly |
| 16:41.54 | Molagi | ok thanks |
| 16:42.20 | ch4os_ | tgz -> tar.gz |
| 16:42.31 | m-vo | Ok! I don't know Erlang, so let's try Scheme. |
| 16:42.31 | Deformative | m-vo: I know of a person making a functional library for functional programming in D. |
| 16:43.00 | Deformative | m-vo: I know who could surely answer your questions. |
| 16:43.08 | Deformative | If you wish to join #D there is downs and cracki |
| 16:43.14 | Deformative | cracki is a lisp fanatic |
| 16:43.19 | Deformative | And downs does functional programming in D |
| 16:43.36 | m-vo | Deformative, this is my source: http://www.hans-eric.com/2007/09/11/d-doesnt-have-real-closures/ |
| 16:43.45 | m-vo | Ok, here is the example: |
| 16:43.51 | m-vo | (define (make-adder n) (lambda (x) (+ x n))) |
| 16:43.56 | m-vo | (define add-3 (make-adder 3)) |
| 16:44.01 | m-vo | (add-3 5) |
| 16:44.06 | m-vo | => 8 |
| 16:44.34 | m-vo | add-3 can still safely refer to the 'n' parameter of make-adder although make-adder has long finished. |
| 16:44.58 | Deformative | half-and-half |
| 16:44.58 | Deformative | [12:44] <downs> D has dynamic closures by default |
| 16:44.58 | Deformative | [12:44] <downs> that is, closures that are valid while their context is valid |
| 16:44.58 | Deformative | [12:44] <downs> so you can't return them |
| 16:45.10 | Deformative | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:45.59 | m-vo | 'dynamic closures' seems just to be an euphemism for 'no closures, only nested functions' |
| 16:46.55 | Deformative | Better than C++ |
| 16:47.35 | Deformative | I don't know how closures would perform in native rather than interpereted code. |
| 16:48.00 | m-vo | well, whatever, just like the link I posted, I don't see any reason for not offering 'real' closures by default. It's not that they are some little understood, obscure language feature with only fringe use cases. |
| 16:48.05 | RushPL | Ayyy, my nokia has crashed about 3 times this day. |
| 16:48.08 | Molagi | hmm no such file or directory |
| 16:48.10 | Molagi | damn |
| 16:48.43 | m-vo | If you don't have closures in the language, you have to fake them manually, which is going to be slower (and painful). |
| 16:49.07 | m-vo | Look at all the "data" parameters of your typical C callback. |
| 16:49.33 | Deformative | 12:48] <downs> not true |
| 16:49.33 | Deformative | [12:48] <miller[]> they still access the scope |
| 16:49.33 | Deformative | [12:48] <downs> the nested functions can access their surrounding function. |
| 16:49.33 | Deformative | [12:48] <downs> that's what I meant by "half a |
| 16:49.49 | Deformative | RushPL: mine has never crashed yet |
| 16:49.58 | Deformative | RushPL: the browser is the only thing to crash thus far. |
| 16:50.27 | m-vo | yeah, that's what "nested" means: being able to access the surrounding scope. If you can't do that, you are not nested. :-) |
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| 16:51.05 | m-vo | Anyway, I rest my case. I think I like D anyway. |
| 16:51.26 | Deformative | :) |
| 16:51.44 | bedboi | the thing that leaves me skeptic about "new" languages is the lack of profiling, debugging, blablabla applications |
| 16:52.40 | Deformative | bedboi: D is just a frontend. |
| 16:52.45 | Deformative | The D backends are VERY mature. |
| 16:52.46 | bedboi | vala is something i `could` like, it generates a C code |
| 16:52.59 | bedboi | Deformative: what you mean by frontend? |
| 16:53.00 | Deformative | There is a D to C compiler |
| 16:53.43 | Deformative | Uh, it is compiler engineering, google compiler frontend/backend to learn more, but basically, you know how gcc can compile multiple languages on the same compiler backend? |
| 16:54.03 | Deformative | m-vo: |
| 16:54.03 | Deformative | [12:52] <cracki> tell him that D still uses a stack and environment frames aren't gc'd at all |
| 16:54.03 | Deformative | [12:52] <cracki> that'll tell him enough to know about delegate literals |
| 16:54.03 | Deformative | [12:52] <cracki> (maybe) |
| 16:54.54 | Deformative | bedboi: Basically, we have an awesome frontend that Walter bright has made, it is designed for his own backend that he created for his C/C++ compilers, but it also works on GCC and is being proted to LLVM as well. |
| 16:55.19 | bedboi | ah cool |
| 16:55.34 | bedboi | you are telling me you can generate intermediate C? |
| 16:56.16 | Deformative | bedboi: GregorR made a C generator, yes. |
| 16:57.24 | bedboi | i'm going to take what's the quality of the C code |
| 16:57.31 | bedboi | i mean if it is understandable |
| 16:58.19 | Deformative | The C compiler is unrelated. |
| 16:59.07 | Deformative | http://dsource.org/projects/tdc |
| 16:59.14 | Deformative | http://dsource.org/projects/llvmdc |
| 16:59.25 | Deformative | Those are the two compilers that are less recognized. |
| 16:59.32 | Deformative | The two MAIN compilers are DMD and gdc |
| 16:59.43 | m-vo | Deformative, thanks. You can have a normal stack with closures, of course. When a variable needs to be in the closure for a nested function, you can either copy its value (when the 'variable' is constant, which is quite often the case when one adopts a more functional programming style which happens quite naturally once you have closures), or you need to store the variable in the heap. |
| 17:00.11 | bedboi | http://dsource.org/projects/tdc/wiki/ExampleConversions |
| 17:00.12 | bedboi | lol |
| 17:00.36 | m-vo | The need to move away from a regular stack ans to start GCing activation frames comes when you have first class continuations. |
| 17:00.52 | bedboi | man that's a huge C code for a so simple function |
| 17:01.19 | Deformative | bedboi: well, I do not know, GregorR made it, |
| 17:01.23 | Deformative | It is not official |
| 17:01.59 | Deformative | bedboi: I imagine that with greater code segments the difference ratio is much smaller. |
| 17:02.30 | lizhao | must leave now, thanks, m-vo |
| 17:02.35 | bedboi | Vala generates very clean C |
| 17:02.43 | m-vo | lizhao, did it work? |
| 17:02.51 | bedboi | but it is still very buggy |
| 17:03.12 | Deformative | http://www.digitalmars.com/d/archives/digitalmars/D/gdc_nokia_arm-_-gnueabi_46720.html I wonder if that guy from nokia managed to get gdc on armel |
| 17:03.38 | lardman | hmm, lots of assembler remarks and warnings, and a compiled vorbisdec.o dsptask :) |
| 17:06.29 | DaniloCesar | Where is python-sqlite module on scrachbox??? |
| 17:14.04 | TPC | i dont think many people in history can claim to having used irc in the bath |
| 17:14.09 | TPC | im doing it right now ;) |
| 17:14.54 | TPC | with waterproof protective casing that fits the N800 |
| 17:15.21 | bedboi | in the bath? |
| 17:15.25 | RushPL | rotfl |
| 17:15.28 | bedboi | you mean under the shower? |
| 17:15.41 | bedboi | i always use my laptop when in bath |
| 17:15.43 | `0660 | you don't take risks do you? :) |
| 17:15.57 | RushPL | and I'm swimming in the sea, just 50m beneath the surface, cool, huh? |
| 17:16.19 | RushPL | I have an AP on a bouy so that wifi reaches underwater. |
| 17:17.35 | TPC | no, i mean the bath |
| 17:18.13 | bedboi | TPC: i guess it is quite common. |
| 17:18.20 | bedboi | at least for me. |
| 17:18.30 | bedboi | i always bring my laptop with myself |
| 17:18.35 | RushPL | bedboi: you coding in bath too? |
| 17:18.39 | bedboi | of course |
| 17:18.40 | TPC | when in the shower im too busy cleaning myself for irc |
| 17:19.32 | RushPL | bedboi: that's right, bugs do not like water, it's an obvious place to code. :P |
| 17:19.53 | TPC | what are you using to protect it from the water / humid air? |
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| 17:33.37 | tso | hmm, i cant stop thinking about a keyboard made for folding that also can be attached to the N800 so that it would act as a screen cover when folded up |
| 17:42.19 | Deformative | Hello. |
| 17:42.34 | Deformative | Does anyone know how to get qemu working with scratchbox? |
| 17:42.38 | Deformative | The tutorial doesn't explain. |
| 17:42.51 | Deformative | All it says for cpu transparency is none. |
| 17:45.22 | suihkulokki | Deformative: you did not install the scratchbox-cputransparency-devkit package |
| 17:45.22 | m-vo | Deformative, without knowing for sure, when you use sb-menu, I think you need to select the "cputransp" devkit and then it will ask you for the version of qemu to use. |
| 17:48.58 | Deformative | Ah. |
| 17:56.33 | Deformative | Hmm. |
| 17:56.43 | Deformative | What cpu do I use? |
| 17:56.56 | Deformative | arm-cvs arm-0.82 arm-7,0 ? |
| 17:56.58 | Deformative | What? |
| 17:57.25 | zuh | arm-0.8.2-sb2 has been the most useful one for me |
| 18:01.06 | Deformative | Thanks |
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| 18:18.47 | bearclaw_ | is it possible to have iwconfig on the 770? |
| 18:22.13 | tso | i think i have seen a package but do not recall what repo |
| 18:22.27 | bearclaw_ | repository? |
| 18:22.28 | _Monkey | i guess repository is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php |
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| 18:35.38 | bearclaw_ | found it |
| 18:36.36 | bearclaw_ | is ad-hoc mode supported? |
| 18:39.53 | tso | dont know if the 770 can initate it, but yes, it can do link-local connections. i have done so myself, by accident :P |
| 18:40.28 | bearclaw_ | and the other device was visible with iwlist scan? |
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| 18:43.12 | tso | yes |
| 18:43.26 | tso | err, it showed up in the connection manager list :) |
| 18:43.35 | bearclaw_ | should be the same :) |
| 18:44.03 | bearclaw_ | im trying to connect a gumstix with my 770 in wifi ad-hoc |
| 18:44.05 | tso | the diff that i see was that link-local connections where shown by a black "antenna" |
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| 18:57.28 | alterego | Woo, I just finished writing a nice little script that toggles bluetooth on/off, handle when added to the cpu/memory graph applet. |
| 18:57.47 | alterego | It even toggles the label on for the menu item :) |
| 18:58.33 | alterego | Took me about an hour to write though, bit rusty at the old shell scripting .. |
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| 19:01.42 | tso | interesting. if i do not enter a password in the claw-mail settings, it works fine. but if i enter one, i get a timeout when checking mail. think ill stick to the default one... |
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| 19:20.04 | RushPL | Deformative: sshfs works nicely |
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| 19:39.15 | DaniloCesar | I'm having problems with my .install file. Users can only see the file. I think that it's a apache issue. |
| 19:40.01 | DaniloCesar | They are not downloading the file, but seeing... I think that some .htaccess changes will fix this, but I don't know what changes I need to do |
| 19:43.48 | Deformative | How do I start dropbear ssh server? |
| 19:49.16 | [31d1] | by uninstalling dropbear and installing openssh? |
| 19:50.53 | Deformative | Bleh. |
| 19:51.00 | Deformative | I just used dropbear because it is in the repo./ |
| 19:52.59 | RushPL | Deformative: openssh is too in the repo. Just some other one. |
| 19:53.04 | RushPL | repositories? |
| 19:53.05 | _Monkey | repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php |
| 19:53.22 | Deformative | Bleh. |
| 19:53.43 | RushPL | I wonder why there isn't a single repo. |
| 19:54.14 | sp3000 | there is but it's somehow not been the path of least resistance |
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| 20:02.06 | Deformative | Searching ssh only comes up with dropbear |
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| 20:03.01 | TPC | openssh is in the repo, at least it was for me |
| 20:03.11 | Deformative | Which one? |
| 20:03.12 | TPC | maybe I added some weird one without realizing it, but I don't think so |
| 20:04.24 | TPC | I think it only shows up in red pill mode |
| 20:04.46 | Deformative | How do I go into red pill mode? |
| 20:04.58 | TPC | instructions are on the maemo.org wiki |
| 20:07.47 | Deformative | Wow. |
| 20:07.52 | Deformative | That's so weird. |
| 20:11.31 | Deformative | Bleh |
| 20:11.41 | Deformative | Openssh doesn't support ssh root@localhost like dropbear does? |
| 20:12.17 | [31d1] | it should |
| 20:12.42 | Deformative | Oh |
| 20:12.50 | Deformative | I had to get rid of the old .ssh from dropbear |
| 20:13.17 | [31d1] | i turned off root login in ssh_config after i set up etc/sudoers |
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| 20:29.41 | Pio | any maemo-mappers know of decent programs to create poi databases? |
| 20:29.57 | Pio | that vb Poi_loader app isn't working out for me.. |
| 20:30.52 | Deformative | I need to figure out how to program the DSP |
| 20:30.54 | Pio | i found some guy's perl script which im playing with now, but its not working either.. |
| 20:30.54 | Deformative | heh |
| 20:30.57 | Deformative | Looks like fun. |
| 20:31.13 | Deformative | I am getting much more than I expected out of this cool little device. |
| 20:32.52 | roxfan | aren't there specs? |
| 20:34.33 | Deformative | Be back in a few hours. |
| 20:34.33 | Deformative | o/ |
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| 21:02.01 | skibur | http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/3131/pict0001gi6.jpg |
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| 21:18.07 | Pio | i'll post it to internettablettalk once i clean it up a little |
| 21:18.47 | Pio | python, so unlike other progs out there, it should run fine on maemo |
| 21:20.06 | Pio | now i have every mine in LA, ventura and kern county in my POI db >:) |
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| 21:35.59 | TPC | [23:17:49] * Pio just wrote his own script to import gpx waypoints into maemo mapper poi db |
| 21:36.02 | TPC | ohh |
| 21:36.40 | TPC | mind giving me a link to it when you posted it? |
| 21:36.41 | Pio | http://pio.longstair.com/misc/gpx_to_poi |
| 21:37.57 | TPC | thanks |
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| 21:40.41 | wyre | new n800 user here / looking for starting point to fix a problem / after installing several updates my n800 no longer makes sounds correctly, useing the fm radio i get a hint in the form of this error 'audio output switching failed' |
| 21:42.20 | wyre | [when head phones are not in that is] - |
| 21:43.06 | TPC | Pio, where did you get the pysqlite2 module? its not in any repos I have on it |
| 21:43.31 | Pio | hrm yeah actually i dont know if theres a pysqlite for maemo |
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| 21:43.52 | Pio | i havent run this on maemo yet |
| 21:44.05 | Pio | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/pysqlite2/ hmm |
| 21:44.40 | TPC | missing install |
| 21:45.57 | TPC | ah well, I'll just run it on my computer then |
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| 21:50.36 | TPC | hmm |
| 21:50.37 | TPC | Failed parsing input file: not well-formed (invalid token): line 35239, column 98 |
| 21:50.46 | TPC | oh well, I'll just remove that particular location |
| 21:51.27 | lmoura | Pio, there's sqlite3 in the default pymaemo install |
| 21:51.42 | Pio | ah |
| 21:51.57 | TPC | sqlite3 and sqlite2 are incompatible, aren't they? |
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| 21:58.04 | wyre | well - a second restart did the trick [via remote ssh even] after the power button stopped responding... odd. |
| 22:00.15 | TPC | Pio, hm.. it does not seem to work |
| 22:00.30 | Pio | any error messages? |
| 22:00.46 | TPC | Pio, lots of data gets added to the poi file, but when I start mmaemo mapper they just don't show up |
| 22:01.06 | Pio | hm |
| 22:01.23 | TPC | I'm thinking that maybe it was because the category I added them to didn't exist, gonna try again with an exisiting category |
| 22:01.26 | Pio | you let it add them .. yeah |
| 22:01.29 | TPC | but I'm just guessing here |
| 22:01.34 | Pio | i was just going to ask about the categories |
| 22:01.41 | Pio | by default it just adds to category 11 ("Other") |
| 22:01.51 | Pio | but it'll use any old number you give it |
| 22:01.57 | Pio | ..yeah and its a number, not a strnig |
| 22:02.12 | Pio | i was thinking about adding support for calling categories by name, and creating new categories, etc |
| 22:02.15 | Pio | this is a real rough draft :) |
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| 22:02.36 | Pio | but for now, im going to go out biking.. thats what i wrote this for, anyway, to get waypoints into maemo-mapper for my bike ride :) |
| 22:03.46 | TPC | ok :) |
| 22:04.08 | TPC | I'm trying to make it load the nearest 1000 geocaches into my poi |
| 22:06.42 | wyre | caches, cool, get data from gc.com? |
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| 22:07.23 | TPC | yeah, using a cli app called geotoad |
| 22:07.41 | wyre | nice tool that one |
| 22:08.46 | wyre | it's ruby ... there an interpreter for maemo [am new, hope i asked _that_ right] |
| 22:09.04 | wyre | ? |
| 22:09.51 | TPC | no idea, I'm quite new also |
| 22:10.31 | TPC | anyway, it seems to have worked, all nearby geocaches show up on the map :) |
| 22:10.33 | TPC | Thanks Pio |
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| 22:14.22 | wyre | cool |
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| 22:15.43 | toni_ | hi, n770 stopped booting. |
| 22:16.18 | toni_ | i reflashed it with new HE 2007 edition, still no boot. reflashed it with latest 2006, still no boot. no errors on reflash though. |
| 22:16.28 | toni_ | anyone has any ideas what to do? |
| 22:17.20 | TPC | Pio, if I were to run the script again with most of the locations being the same, and some new / changed, would it create a copy of the old ones, ignore them, or update them? |
| 22:17.22 | tso | how far does the boot go? any graphics at all? how about when you insert the charger? |
| 22:17.42 | toni_ | screen with NOKIA blue letter show, but it doesn't go further. |
| 22:17.50 | TPC | Pio, I'm gonna head to sleep, so if you answer please mention my nick in all the lines, so it will show up in my away log |
| 22:17.53 | toni_ | with inserted charger. |
| 22:18.31 | toni_ | i enabled r&D mode but it only shows few info bits, like kernel version on the top of blue NOKIA logo. |
| 22:18.33 | tso | not a good sign. sad really that nokia didnt provide a way to turn off those graphics somehow (that i know of) |
| 22:19.14 | toni_ | the crazy thing is, i bought another n770, as a present for a friend. he arrive today, and both nokias are not booting. mental. |
| 22:19.32 | toni_ | i used mine for couple of months without problems. |
| 22:19.49 | erstazi | toni_: you should be under warranty |
| 22:19.55 | erstazi | both both even |
| 22:20.17 | toni_ | yes i know. but it's still a pain. i'll be without it for who knows how long. |
| 22:20.29 | lle2 | toni_: just as a last resort, try flashing twice with the same release |
| 22:20.42 | lle2 | reset by removing the battery in between |
| 22:20.50 | toni_ | and it worked fine this morning. |
| 22:20.54 | toni_ | lle2, thanks, will try that now. |
| 22:21.02 | sp3000 | if you see a black cat crossing your path while flashing, ... |
| 22:21.07 | toni_ | LOL |
| 22:21.35 | toni_ | both nokias show signs that they are charging, battery full, and a blue NOKIA logo. no more than that. |
| 22:22.20 | lle2 | don't leave the charger connected, it affects the bootup |
| 22:23.46 | lle2 | also if still doesn't work, try enabling rd mode and disabling lifeguard resets |
| 22:24.08 | toni_ | lle2, without the charger, i couldn't even see the blue NOKIA logo. pressing power button does nothing without a charge. with the charger plugged in, blue NOKIA logo shows, stays for 10-15 sec, then goes to white screen, and then to black screen with a small icon shhowing that it is charging. |
| 22:24.21 | toni_ | trying reboot with flasher tool does the same thing, no further than logo. |
| 22:25.23 | lle2 | well, if you can see the charging icon it boots pretty far, could be that you simply have a dead battery and/or charger |
| 22:26.39 | lle2 | would be pretty unlikely though, for two devices |
| 22:26.43 | toni_ | lle2, it show that it is fully charged now. also, i have two chargers, and two nokias and both have the same symptpm i desribed above. |
| 22:26.52 | toni_ | i tried swapping chargers too. |
| 22:27.23 | toni_ | i need a priest, that's how it feels when two devices refuse to work in a same day like these. |
| 22:27.27 | toni_ | devil is in my house. |
| 22:28.18 | toni_ | however, BBC match of the day football stream didn't work today. and half of the basketball euro championship streaming was broken too today. a bad day. |
| 22:28.45 | fer__ | Toni, Hi, do you have a url for that stream? |
| 22:28.46 | lle2 | no, it's just two n770s, they like to be the only tablet in the house |
| 22:30.29 | toni_ | fer__, it's on BBC website, look under sport, match of the day, for UK only though, unless you can proxy client somehow. |
| 22:30.40 | erstazi | toni_: if they performed an exorcism then it would be perfect |
| 22:31.49 | toni_ | ok, flashing twice, with battery taken out inbetwen for few secs, didn't work. |
| 22:31.56 | toni_ | on black cat though. |
| 22:32.08 | toni_ | i'll now try flashing the other one. |
| 22:32.40 | cypherbios | how long does it take to reflash the device? |
| 22:33.05 | sp3000 | <1min |
| 22:33.09 | toni_ | yes, under 1 min. |
| 22:33.19 | lle2 | I can't entirely understand what the hacker edition could do to the device that would break it so that flashing twice with the original wouldn't fix it |
| 22:33.35 | toni_ | with no errors reported. root device is flash, as it should be, since i took the card out. |
| 22:33.59 | fer__ | Toni, thanks. |
| 22:34.02 | lle2 | unless it screws up the cal area |
| 22:34.17 | fer__ | Toni, I'm not in the Uk.. so, guess I won't be able to get it.. |
| 22:35.39 | toni_ | fer__, i don't think so. |
| 22:35.52 | toni_ | fer__, get an account on uknova. |
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| 23:26.24 | Deformative | Is there a tar gui utility? |
| 23:27.05 | disq | there's guiTAR but it's not for maemo yet. i'll try to port it sometime, uses the old gtk (1.2) and all |
| 23:28.01 | Deformative | Cool. |
| 23:28.26 | Deformative | Well, let me know if you do it, because I might end up writing one from scratch and I don't want to be doing the same work. |
| 23:29.49 | disq | i have to update it anyways, haven't touched it for 8 years. |
| 23:31.05 | wyre | is there a decent online/offline PIM ... |
| 23:33.01 | wyre | been asked before i see... [sigh] |
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| 23:46.16 | wyre | GPE seems to be the main such app... |
| 23:47.40 | TPC | personally I use vi and a text file ;P |
| 23:48.00 | TPC | works for the few todo items and dates I have to keep track off |
| 23:50.32 | wyre | syncronised with shell scripts? or just shell into one location to track.... |
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