| 00:00.17 | Def | Is the default messanger OSS? |
| 00:07.15 | disq | no but i think it has some api for plugins and all |
| 00:07.25 | Def | Weird. |
| 00:07.29 | Def | I expected it to be oss |
| 00:07.55 | disq | you'll get used to it |
| 00:08.33 | Def | What else is closed |
| 00:08.35 | Def | ? |
| 00:08.49 | Def | I thought the whole os excluding opera was OSS |
| 00:09.26 | disq | almost all nokia developed apps are not oss, i think |
| 00:09.39 | disq | most of the key libs are. some of the key libs aren't |
| 00:09.59 | Def | Weirdd |
| 00:10.16 | disq | try pidgin btw. it's a glorified gaim but still |
| 00:10.38 | Def | I have used and hated pidgin on the desktop |
| 00:10.49 | Def | I want to modify that default chat |
| 00:11.26 | disq | could use jabber transports and use the aim protocol |
| 00:11.37 | disq | or irc even. |
| 00:11.41 | unique311 | anyone can give me the name of the opera browser in /usr/bin/? |
| 00:11.48 | disq | osso-browser i think |
| 00:11.53 | unique311 | thanks |
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| 00:12.20 | unique311 | thats not it. |
| 00:12.24 | unique311 | i see browser |
| 00:12.31 | unique311 | and browser-launch |
| 00:12.36 | unique311 | browser.launch |
| 00:12.48 | unique311 | but not sure if thats it. |
| 00:12.53 | Def | How do I find out what is open and what is not? |
| 00:12.56 | unique311 | could be file manager |
| 00:13.16 | Def | unique311: did you try viming the .desktop files |
| 00:13.40 | disq | sources? they're distributed somewhere but don't honestly remember the url |
| 00:14.07 | disq | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ |
| 00:14.10 | disq | there |
| 00:14.14 | unique311 | def, no |
| 00:15.08 | disq | anyway that fills my bihourly quota of answering questions. ask better ones next time :P |
| 00:18.05 | Def | disq: those are all .bin files |
| 00:20.09 | Def | It says there was some bug fix for v 3 |
| 00:20.17 | Def | Hmm, maybe I should update then. |
| 00:23.57 | unique311 | well tunapie2 works on the n800 |
| 00:24.15 | unique311 | watching E.T |
| 00:24.17 | Def | There are no sources at the url disq provided |
| 00:24.38 | pupnik | nice unique311 |
| 00:24.40 | unique311 | too much to get it to work, kinda disappointed. |
| 00:25.04 | unique311 | can watch video streams from shoutcast |
| 00:26.21 | TPC | [02:10:37] < Def> I have used and hated pidgin on the desktop |
| 00:26.26 | TPC | use bitlbee |
| 00:26.29 | unique311 | going to request it on the maemo.org, add it to the wishlist. |
| 00:26.38 | TPC | from within irssi, that you run within screen |
| 00:26.45 | TPC | on a server that you access from ssh with your device |
| 00:26.48 | Def | TPC, I use kopete on desktop |
| 00:27.15 | Def | Where can I get the open source components of the nokia OS? |
| 00:27.26 | Def | They say it is gpl, but there are no sources, very illegal. |
| 00:27.44 | TPC | Def, if you think saying something is GPL and then not providing sources is illegal you are wrong |
| 00:27.53 | Def | I am right |
| 00:27.57 | TPC | the GPL only says that they have to provide sources to the people they distribute the binaries to |
| 00:27.59 | disq | click on "IT OS Sources" |
| 00:27.59 | TPC | not to everyone |
| 00:28.02 | disq | can't be simpler than that |
| 00:28.04 | Def | I have binaries. |
| 00:28.05 | Def | No sources |
| 00:28.08 | TPC | so they could provide it on a CD |
| 00:28.09 | disq | though asks for mac id etc |
| 00:28.18 | TPC | it also says that they don't have to do a download link or anything |
| 00:28.31 | TPC | in fact, they only have to provide it on a written request, if thats what they want to |
| 00:28.34 | disq | also try google or reading the irc logs. url at topic. |
| 00:28.51 | Def | Hmm. |
| 00:29.00 | Def | It doesn't say what bug was fixed in v3 of os 2006 |
| 00:29.13 | rwhitby | I remember my n800 having a written offer for source in the back of the user manual. Fully legit. |
| 00:29.20 | TPC | however, I would guess that you can get it somewhere on maemo.org |
| 00:29.30 | TPC | but don't make random statements about the GPL when you don't know how it works |
| 00:30.14 | Def | TPC, I thought they were not providing the sources. |
| 00:30.21 | Def | Because I missed the link when I clicked. |
| 00:30.24 | Def | Hit the one above. |
| 00:30.29 | Def | And i was like "..wtf" |
| 00:30.46 | TPC | technically they don't have to provide sources unless you make a written request |
| 00:30.50 | rwhitby | next time you might like to check your facts before calling something illegal activity. |
| 00:30.54 | TPC | so don't go say that they make something illegal, before yo even ask them |
| 00:31.05 | TPC | you* |
| 00:31.15 | Def | next time you shouldn't go spastic about a simple mistake on IRC. |
| 00:31.57 | Def | TPC, I understand how gpl works, I just clicked the wrong link, calm down. |
| 00:32.05 | TPC | so anyone who corrects you when you're wrong "goes spastics"? |
| 00:32.16 | TPC | anyway, its late, I'm gonna sleep |
| 00:32.35 | rwhitby | well, the tone you use on IRC ("very illegal") usually causes a similar tone in response when you're making incorrect statements. |
| 00:32.43 | Def | Count the amount of times it has been said. |
| 00:33.10 | rwhitby | and then when someone called you on it, you said "I am right" |
| 00:33.16 | TPC | yes, I rephrased, since I felt I wasn't clear enough the first time |
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| 00:34.05 | rwhitby | and then instead of admitting a mistake, you get your back up and call people spastic. |
| 00:34.09 | Def | And you still continue |
| 00:34.10 | Def | Enough. |
| 00:34.11 | _Monkey | enough is enough |
| 00:37.12 | pupnik | suddenly cut and paste works to/from vncclient! Hahaha insanity. |
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| 00:45.04 | Def | It doesn't say what bug was fixed in v3 of os 2006, does anyone know what bug it was? I am wondering if it is worth the flash. |
| 00:52.11 | pupnik | Linux Nokia770-49 2.6.16.27-omap1 |
| 00:52.19 | pupnik | did i miss something? newer os2006? |
| 00:52.30 | pupnik | Nokia770-49 |
| 00:52.56 | Deformati | SU-18_2006SE_3.2006.49-2_PR_F5_MR0_ARM |
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| 00:53.07 | Deformati | 49 is right |
| 00:53.22 | Deformati | I have an older version and I am trying to figure out what bug was fixed. |
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| 01:14.59 | henno | Deformati: I take it you finally got your 770 |
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| 01:21.08 | pupnik | no reason not to upgrade, Deformati - that I have seen |
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| 01:22.36 | Deformati | henno, yesterday |
| 01:22.40 | Deformati | :) |
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| 01:26.52 | Deformati | Well, I have work to do. |
| 01:26.54 | Deformati | Be back tomorrow |
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| 01:33.34 | pupnik | Cu Deformati |
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| 03:21.37 | sully | Has anyone gotten the "Illegal instruction" error running the latest Maemo Mapper? |
| 03:25.30 | cesman | oh! |
| 03:25.34 | cesman | new mapper?! |
| 03:28.21 | sully | hah, not really - I just upgraded to 1.4.7-3 |
| 03:28.52 | sully | Won't run as user |
| 03:29.02 | sully | I get a "Illegal instruction" statement |
| 03:29.08 | sully | But as root, runs fine |
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| 03:38.58 | DaniloCesar | Someone can confirm this information: "There is not a python-sqlite in SDK repository"? |
| 03:52.57 | DaniloCesar | Its very strange.. I can find a python-sqlite package at N800, but I cannot find it on scrachbox..... Some can help me? |
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| 04:21.17 | pupnikafk | repositories? |
| 04:21.17 | _Monkey | repositories is probably http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php |
| 04:21.38 | pupnikafk | DaniloCesar: ^^ |
| 04:23.24 | DaniloCesar | pupnikafk, I have pymaemo's repositories on scratchbox |
| 04:23.54 | DaniloCesar | but there isn't any python-sqlite or something there |
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| 04:34.22 | pupnikafk | check /etc/apt/sources.list in scratchbox and n800 for differences - perhaps one is bora, the other gregale? |
| 04:35.13 | DaniloCesar | hummm. So I need to put gregale on SB too? OK! |
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| 04:49.44 | pupnikafk | There should be bora packages for everything, but in some cases there might not be, and for those perhaps the gregale (it2006) versions also work on it2007 |
| 04:52.18 | DaniloCesar | pupnikafk, Ok.... I will try this.. Thanks pupnik! |
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| 05:41.18 | bedboi | hi there |
| 05:41.28 | bedboi | i'm porting an application i wrote |
| 05:42.01 | bedboi | the bad stuff is that when i run it before a sleep it exits (without segfault) |
| 05:42.47 | bedboi | is there something i should know about sleeping in maemo? |
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| 06:12.52 | pupnik | does it requrie console/terminal input bedboi ? |
| 06:16.02 | RushPL | where can I find libfreetype, in what package? |
| 06:16.18 | RushPL | probably libfreetype, but I cannot find it :) |
| 06:16.29 | inz | libfreetype6 |
| 06:18.46 | bedboi | pupnik: yes |
| 06:18.58 | bedboi | i'm just starting like ./something usb0 |
| 06:19.06 | bedboi | it just exit |
| 06:19.26 | bedboi | pupnik: what's this ? |
| 06:19.42 | RushPL | inz: could you point me to some repo? google can't |
| 06:20.00 | RushPL | inz: I'm still running the standard 2006 os, but I don't want to upgrade yet. |
| 06:20.36 | pupnik | bedboi: i think your app is waiting for keyboard input, and it can't get it, so it stops? |
| 06:20.57 | bedboi | nono, it just sleeps |
| 06:21.19 | bedboi | it spawns a thread then sleeps for some time |
| 06:21.36 | bedboi | btw the application exits immediately |
| 06:21.49 | bedboi | not segfaulting |
| 06:21.58 | pupnik | ok - not sure what's goin on |
| 06:22.12 | bedboi | Program exited normally. |
| 06:22.18 | bedboi | that's what gdb says |
| 06:22.39 | bedboi | it must be some dsme trick |
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| 06:22.55 | pupnik | RushPL see the repository search engine |
| 06:22.58 | pupnik | repositories? |
| 06:22.59 | _Monkey | repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php |
| 06:24.12 | bedboi | maybe dsme is checking for large sleeps |
| 06:25.14 | inz | sounds unlikely |
| 06:25.49 | inz | have you tried debug printfs ;) |
| 06:27.03 | bedboi | yep |
| 06:27.07 | bedboi | a lots of |
| 06:28.38 | inz | How secret is your app?-) |
| 06:33.44 | RushPL | pupnik: thanks, so I found two repositories possibly containing freetype, but freetype doesn't show up in the installable packages list. |
| 06:34.14 | bedboi | inz: what you mean? |
| 06:34.24 | inz | bedboi, can you show the source ;) |
| 06:34.52 | inz | Rush, libfreetype(6) should always be installed, it is used for rendering the fonts on the device |
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| 06:36.33 | bedboi | of course but the application is quite huge. |
| 06:37.08 | bedboi | is there any guideline about how to daemonize an application for n800 |
| 06:37.09 | RushPL | inz: I know, but while installing 'wesnoth', it says that it is missing. |
| 06:37.09 | bedboi | ? |
| 06:39.26 | inz | bedboi, the normal "if (fork()) { exit(0); }" should work |
| 06:40.59 | inz | bedboi, setsid();, closing stdin,-out and -err (and replacing with /dev/null) are also common practices |
| 06:42.26 | bedboi | btw i should use while(1) sleep(1); |
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| 06:43.43 | RushPL | libfreetype6(>=2.2.1) missing :/ |
| 06:45.13 | bedboi | inz: this is the code (not demonized) |
| 06:45.14 | bedboi | http://www.pastebin.ca/697089 |
| 06:45.43 | bedboi | inz: basically i set up in new_pi_low, and spawn threads in pi_low_init |
| 06:45.55 | bedboi | obviously it works without any problems on any other machine |
| 06:46.07 | inz | Rush, are you trying to install N800 package on 770? |
| 06:46.28 | bedboi | no |
| 06:46.35 | bedboi | on n800 |
| 06:46.46 | RushPL | inz: It wasn't marked or so ... yes, I'm n770. |
| 06:46.48 | bedboi | it's non sense. because it exits |
| 06:47.14 | bedboi | a segfault should would be better :) |
| 06:47.19 | inz | bedboi, that does indeed sound weird (unless you call exit() from pi_low_init |
| 06:47.20 | RushPL | probably I should better flash with 2007 edition,right? |
| 06:47.44 | bedboi | pi_low_init can't call exit |
| 06:47.50 | bedboi | it just spawns threads |
| 06:48.18 | bedboi | g_thread_create |
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| 06:48.51 | bedboi | and i'm sure it doesn't exit |
| 06:49.00 | i-nZ | Hello. I have a windows mobile smartphone and I am unable to bluetooth pair maemo and the phone because it is detected as a PDA |
| 06:49.01 | bedboi | because i can see the debug message |
| 06:49.05 | i-nZ | what can I do about that? |
| 06:49.13 | inz | Rush, if you want to use wesnoth, then it seems so |
| 06:49.13 | bedboi | inz: "Letting the daemon sleeping |
| 06:49.57 | bedboi | which is after pi_low_init |
| 06:50.33 | inz | What does the thread do, does it sleep aswell? |
| 06:51.05 | bedboi | it can do whatever it wants |
| 06:51.07 | bedboi | it is a thread |
| 06:51.17 | bedboi | one should be able to program whatever he wants |
| 06:51.30 | inz | Fer sure it should |
| 06:51.47 | bedboi | it's very weird |
| 06:52.25 | bedboi | the fact is that it exits without any segfault or something |
| 06:52.32 | bedboi | and i have no exit in the application |
| 06:52.34 | bedboi | or g_error |
| 06:53.08 | bedboi | AHAHHA |
| 06:53.10 | inz | And new_pi_low or pi_low_init calls g_threads_init()? |
| 06:53.11 | bedboi | wtf |
| 06:53.20 | bedboi | yep of course |
| 06:53.27 | bedboi | i'm telling you it works perfectly on x86 |
| 06:53.31 | inz | indeed |
| 06:55.26 | bedboi | now i added a while(1) { printf(".\n") ; sleep(1) } ; |
| 06:55.33 | bedboi | and i just see one .\n |
| 06:55.42 | bedboi | then it gracefully exits |
| 06:55.52 | bedboi | stupid guy |
| 06:56.28 | bedboi | let's say what strace tells |
| 06:56.34 | RushPL | does it do so with every sleep function? |
| 06:57.15 | bedboi | i don't know |
| 06:57.18 | bedboi | let's try |
| 07:01.01 | bedboi | LOL |
| 07:01.03 | bedboi | AHAHAH |
| 07:01.05 | bedboi | it doesn't leep |
| 07:01.06 | bedboi | sleep |
| 07:01.17 | bedboi | no wai |
| 07:01.18 | bedboi | wait |
| 07:01.42 | bedboi | it just sleep the first time |
| 07:01.50 | bedboi | it's nonsense man |
| 07:01.53 | bedboi | it's pure nonsense |
| 07:02.01 | bedboi | can i sleep just one in my lifetime??? |
| 07:02.17 | bedboi | it must be some dirty trick dsme is playing |
| 07:02.41 | inz | I wonder if it's some bug in LinuxThreads |
| 07:03.12 | bedboi | it's something really weird |
| 07:04.05 | inz | How does the strace end? |
| 07:04.35 | bedboi | wait i have to install it |
| 07:06.23 | inz | I would guess the reason comes from inside the thread |
| 07:07.09 | bedboi | i would not |
| 07:08.34 | pupnik | doesn't sleep take a float? |
| 07:08.38 | bedboi | no |
| 07:08.56 | bedboi | man 3 sleep |
| 07:09.16 | bedboi | no .*sleep function takes float |
| 07:09.28 | bedboi | neither usleep |
| 07:09.31 | bedboi | nanosleep etc |
| 07:09.37 | bedboi | it would be a waste |
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| 07:11.04 | bedboi | damn |
| 07:11.12 | bedboi | where i can get strace ? |
| 07:11.13 | _Monkey | strace is my friend for these stuff :-D |
| 07:11.28 | bedboi | _Monkey: yep, atm i can't access the internet through the device |
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| 07:11.29 | _Monkey | bedboi: sorry... |
| 07:12.13 | inz | bedboi, http://repository.maemo.org/pool/bora/free/binary/strace_4.5.14-1.osso1_armel.deb |
| 07:12.28 | pupnik | the last command inside the while loop before } does not need a ; semicolon? |
| 07:12.43 | bedboi | thanks |
| 07:12.52 | inz | pupnik, in C it does, but that's compile-time issue, not run-time |
| 07:12.58 | pupnik | i forget these things |
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| 07:13.11 | pupnik | ok |
| 07:13.37 | inz | pupnik, at least in perl you can omit it |
| 07:14.26 | bedboi | HMMM |
| 07:14.32 | bedboi | i guess it is inside of libpcap |
| 07:14.34 | bedboi | or libnet |
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| 07:14.46 | bedboi | are raw sockets supported? |
| 07:15.33 | inz | No idea |
| 07:16.40 | bedboi | hmm |
| 07:18.20 | bedboi | connect(2, ptrace: umoven: Input/output error |
| 07:18.20 | bedboi | {...}, 41) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 07:18.20 | bedboi | close(13) = 0 |
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| 07:19.00 | bedboi | what's that beast? |
| 07:20.03 | inz | That's weird, connect shouldn't set errno to ENOENT |
| 07:20.04 | bedboi | i don't have ptraces on my x86 |
| 07:20.08 | henno | beast indeed |
| 07:20.23 | bedboi | i'm sure it's some nokia shit. |
| 07:20.25 | henno | for $head in $ass; do shove; done |
| 07:20.32 | henno | :) |
| 07:20.33 | bedboi | some "intelligence" |
| 07:21.07 | bedboi | you should see the difference between x86 and n800 straces |
| 07:21.18 | bedboi | there is a lot of shit in the n800 stuff |
| 07:21.19 | bedboi | strace |
| 07:21.20 | _Monkey | strace is my friend for these stuff :-D |
| 07:22.36 | bedboi | _Monkey: in fact i'm stracing |
| 07:22.36 | _Monkey | bedboi: sorry... |
| 07:23.34 | bedboi | there's no "ptrace" in the x86 strace output |
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| 07:29.45 | inz | bedboi, probebly ptrace doesn't cause errors there |
| 07:31.36 | bedboi | and what is this: connect(11, {sa_family=AF_FILE, path="/dev/log"}, 16) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 07:31.46 | bedboi | i don't have this on my x86 |
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| 07:33.16 | inz | bedboi, I would guess that /dev/log exists on your PC, but not on the device |
| 07:33.43 | RushPL | http://home.rushabse.net/~rush/muu.jpg - I <3 this |
| 07:34.24 | pupnik | PADD theme? |
| 07:34.34 | RushPL | yeah |
| 07:35.45 | bedboi | inz: i'll show you the difference (last 3 lines of strace) |
| 07:35.57 | bedboi | this is on n800: |
| 07:36.01 | bedboi | rt_sigaction(SIGCHLD, NULL, {SIG_DFL}, 8) = 0 |
| 07:36.01 | bedboi | rt_sigprocmask(SIG_SETMASK, [RTMIN], NULL, 8) = 0 |
| 07:36.01 | bedboi | nanosleep({2, 0}, 0xbe813740) = ? ERESTART_RESTARTBLOCK (To be restarted) |
| 07:36.14 | bedboi | notice nanosleep |
| 07:36.19 | bedboi | it should be 2 nanoseconds |
| 07:37.02 | bedboi | rt_sigaction(SIGCHLD, NULL, {SIG_DFL}, 8) = 0 |
| 07:37.02 | bedboi | rt_sigprocmask(SIG_SETMASK, [], NULL, 8) = 0 |
| 07:37.02 | bedboi | nanosleep({1000000000, 0}, |
| 07:37.05 | RushPL | bedboi: nanosleep has relatively poor precision |
| 07:37.15 | bedboi | i don't care about precision |
| 07:37.47 | bedboi | what's ERESTART_RESTARTBLOCK? |
| 07:38.00 | bedboi | let's ask google |
| 07:38.58 | bedboi | ok it says that sleep has been interrupted by a signal |
| 07:39.36 | Protocol- | RushPL: where can I get this LCAR/PADD theme? |
| 07:40.14 | RushPL | Protocol-: hm, maemo-apps.org I think, or maemo.org -> Downloads |
| 07:40.59 | pupnik | Protocol-: search for reports of problems with it on internettablettalk.com forums first |
| 07:41.12 | Protocol- | got it I think, http://synthesize.us/LCARS_PADD |
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| 07:43.33 | bedboi | inz: could that /dev/log be the problem? |
| 07:44.06 | jani | lol |
| 07:44.25 | jani | @ maemo dev mailing list DSME commit mailing list =)) |
| 07:45.57 | inz | bedboi, doubtful, but possible |
| 07:46.58 | bedboi | hmm |
| 07:47.06 | bedboi | i see also some SIGPROF |
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| 07:53.31 | bedboi | inz: i guess tcpdump is known to work |
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| 07:57.39 | bedboi | i mean libpcap |
| 07:57.44 | bedboi | is it known to work? |
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| 08:07.51 | red-zack | hey guys, soo my question, where to find a howto for renaming the user "user" on my 770 |
| 08:08.02 | red-zack | "user" looks ugly ;) |
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| 08:15.30 | inz | bedboi, I've no idea if it works or not, but I would guess yes |
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| 08:36.09 | AD-N770 | good morning |
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| 09:20.54 | Big_B | goof morning (~ugt) |
| 09:20.59 | Big_B | good |
| 09:22.09 | Big_B | -ljpeg .is it right to add libjpeg in makefile |
| 09:22.11 | Big_B | ? |
| 09:29.46 | inz | Big_B, libjpeg doesn't seem to have pkg-config file, so yes, -ljpeg should be correct |
| 09:32.10 | Big_B | thanks |
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| 09:53.10 | Nermal | wump |
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| 10:24.20 | matmo | morning |
| 10:24.21 | _Monkey | aloha |
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| 10:27.54 | Nermal | anyone know where pupniks sdl apps are ? |
| 10:30.57 | lardman | morning |
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| 10:30.57 | _Monkey | aloha |
| 10:31.43 | lardman | kulve: I did some tests re. struct packing, I'll post them to the dev list, not all that exciting, but my naive/hopeful thought of passing structs through shared memory is somewhat dashed |
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| 11:32.09 | Nermal | aye - got those a while ago |
| 11:32.14 | Nermal | keep up ;) |
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| 11:38.35 | rwhitby | Nermal: yeah, I'm way behind. To busy hacking on my two openmoko phones ;-) |
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| 11:46.59 | craigoz | hi all, I'm new & trying to install 4.0 alpha here. After running sb-menu, starting xephyr, exporting my display, I get command not found for af-sb-init.sh start What did I do wrong? :) |
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| 13:09.18 | [31d1] | wait - what - is there a new OS2006 release? |
| 13:12.56 | erstazi | [31d1]: no |
| 13:13.11 | erstazi | [31d1]: the newest one is -49 |
| 13:13.35 | inz | But there was a new "hacker edition" for 770 a while ago |
| 13:13.44 | erstazi | inz: thats OS2007 |
| 13:13.55 | erstazi | s/OS2007/OS2007HE/ |
| 13:14.13 | inz | erstazi, I'm aware of that, but that's what's closest to "new OS2006 release" |
| 13:14.22 | erstazi | inz: well, its not supported |
| 13:14.34 | erstazi | inz: so I don't consider it a new OS2006 release |
| 13:14.42 | [31d1] | ok, whew |
| 13:14.43 | inz | Neither do I, thus the "but" |
| 13:14.53 | erstazi | you definitely use a totally different repo |
| 13:15.15 | erstazi | and even OS2007HE is still buggy |
| 13:15.38 | RushPL | how buggy? (I'm gonna install it very soon) |
| 13:16.02 | erstazi | RushPL: well, overall, its not buggy as a whole |
| 13:16.13 | erstazi | but its experimental... so I will leave it at that |
| 13:16.20 | erstazi | RushPL: you can always dual-boot both |
| 13:16.34 | erstazi | unless you just want to mess and experiment |
| 13:17.12 | RushPL | oh, cool. Will read about dual booting. Hm, but what type of bugs? Interface glitches? Application bugs? Slowness? |
| 13:17.55 | erstazi | application bugs |
| 13:18.27 | erstazi | which as I said, OS2007HE as a whole is not buggy |
| 13:18.28 | [31d1] | is there easy ways to get the audio/video codecs that are missing onto 2007? |
| 13:18.41 | erstazi | [31d1]: which ones? |
| 13:18.59 | RushPL | erstazi: oh, that's not that big of a problem then. I'm gonna hack into 770 anyway. |
| 13:19.18 | erstazi | there is dual-boot but I would read on http://maemo.org how to dual boot |
| 13:20.08 | [31d1] | i just saw where it said we cant provide a bunch of codecs due to licensing |
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| 13:36.08 | Protocol- | I tried OS2007HE it's very nice, many gui improvements and not too buggy, it's worth the try |
| 13:44.42 | TPC | about how long does the N800 take to load the battery? |
| 13:44.51 | TPC | does it take longer the first time, and if so, how much longer? |
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| 13:55.53 | lardman | Any c programmers awake on here? |
| 13:55.56 | lardman | ;) |
| 13:57.02 | lardman | I have a compile error I need some help with as I can't think what's causing it |
| 13:57.10 | roxfan[work] | shoot |
| 13:57.33 | lardman | http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/vorbisdec/new/DSP-side/ |
| 13:57.40 | lardman | in compile output |
| 13:57.48 | lardman | I'll copy the rest of the code in there too |
| 13:58.39 | lardman | The errors in OGGV_ogg.h go away if I comment the lines (which are function prototypes) |
| 13:58.59 | lardman | the lvalue ones don't go away, even if I fiddle with the types |
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| 14:00.23 | roxfan[work] | hmm |
| 14:01.11 | lardman | I should note that the code probably won't run - as I said in my email to the list |
| 14:01.25 | lardman | even more so as I need to do some more complex bitswapping for the endianness differences |
| 14:01.43 | lardman | but it would be nice to get the bloody thing to compile |
| 14:01.44 | lardman | ; |
| 14:01.48 | lardman | ;) even |
| 14:05.33 | roxfan[work] | yeah, weird stuff |
| 14:11.44 | lardman | Any other takers on the errors? Even any vague ideas would be useful as I can't do much until I can compile the code in the headers |
| 14:12.08 | roxfan[work] | try checking preprocessor output |
| 14:13.02 | lardman | yes, good point |
| 14:13.35 | TPC | no one know show long a N800 takes to charge? |
| 14:13.43 | lardman | TPC: ~an hour |
| 14:14.00 | lardman | something like that, certainly not as long as overnight |
| 14:14.12 | TPC | thats quite a big gap :P |
| 14:14.26 | TPC | I just got mine, and I'm trying to figure out how long I should charge it before trying to use it |
| 14:14.48 | TPC | it doesn't say in the manual :( |
| 14:15.04 | lardman | True, let me think for a minute then - I put mine on charge at 10pm and it was charged by 12am |
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| 14:15.30 | lardman | as long as it has some charge you should be able to use it, the batteries are usually preconditioned or so I thought |
| 14:15.44 | lardman | but note that it won't charge much/at all if you sit on wifi all the time |
| 14:16.14 | TPC | ok |
| 14:16.32 | pupnik | aha! that explains what I see - ty lardman |
| 14:17.09 | TPC | I've gone for ~45 minutes so far, I guess I'll wait another hour, thanks for the info |
| 14:19.01 | pupnik | WHOAH! Ati goes open source?! Is this for real? 900 pages of specs? |
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| 14:20.37 | mgedmin | that's a subset of specs for two chipset families (r500 and r600) that doesn't document the 2d/3d accelerators and some other things (like Xvmc) |
| 14:20.59 | mgedmin | it will take some time to convert those docs into working drivers (1-2 years?) |
| 14:27.37 | TPC | well, they are working with the xorg developers |
| 14:27.43 | TPC | to help them get the drivers coded |
| 14:28.02 | TPC | giving example code for some things too |
| 14:29.30 | pupnik | well lur-de-dur looks like my old eyes missed that story |
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| 14:39.11 | pupnik | You think AMD can find some profitablility in the low-mid power range portable market? |
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| 14:39.54 | pupnik | Cause looks to me like ARM is moving the wall up from the low end. |
| 14:40.20 | pupnik | Maybe i'm falling for snake-oil here |
| 14:40.28 | red-zack | pupnik: meine message vor ein paar tagen erhallten? bezueglich des dark theme? |
| 14:41.02 | pupnik | ja habe den link erhalten |
| 14:41.11 | red-zack | fein |
| 14:41.16 | pupnik | aber .. mom - glaub verloren |
| 14:41.55 | red-zack | pupnik: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1615/NuvoBlack.deb |
| 14:42.17 | pupnik | oh danke |
| 14:42.19 | red-zack | das theme rult |
| 14:42.21 | TPC | please speak english, the rest of us want to understand too :P |
| 14:42.25 | red-zack | :) |
| 14:42.31 | pupnik | well... theme, dark |
| 14:42.41 | red-zack | TPC: i told pupnik about a dark theme i found |
| 14:42.48 | TPC | ok |
| 14:42.53 | pupnik | and i must thank you red-zack |
| 14:43.01 | pupnik | now we need to make a sidux theme for Nokia :P |
| 14:43.05 | red-zack | np |
| 14:43.08 | [31d1] | solid.gold.code white ftw |
| 14:43.28 | [31d1] | where is a screenshot of nuvoblack? |
| 14:43.32 | red-zack | pupnik: ehehe, i think its possible with these thememaker |
| 14:43.43 | red-zack | *this |
| 14:44.02 | pupnik | yes - i've worked on a theme and it's a fair amt of work :/ |
| 14:44.06 | pupnik | many little pieces |
| 14:44.19 | red-zack | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/thememaker/ this one |
| 14:44.20 | pupnik | so thememaker should help |
| 14:44.47 | red-zack | pupnik: sidux icons etc, i can made, thats not the problem |
| 14:45.12 | red-zack | i have some of them, only a little remake |
| 14:46.00 | pupnik | the headthing is that it is dark :) |
| 14:46.18 | red-zack | ohh dear, yes, it have to ;) |
| 14:46.32 | red-zack | i have a nice wallpaper for. mom |
| 14:46.55 | lardman | what does "mom" mean? |
| 14:46.55 | [31d1] | i wish the task manager area could get shrunk |
| 14:47.08 | red-zack | lardman: one moment |
| 14:47.31 | lardman | ah, in American mom=mutti, you probably want mo |
| 14:47.45 | red-zack | [31d1]: the cpu applet works fine, includet a "taskmanager" |
| 14:47.52 | pupnik | moment - just a moment |
| 14:48.05 | pupnik | arbgh i missed the reply |
| 14:48.27 | lardman | Auf English sagt man mo statt mom |
| 14:48.28 | [31d1] | i mean the whole wide area on the left side takes up too much (precious) space imo |
| 14:48.56 | pupnik | if using the stylus maybe, if using finger no |
| 14:49.17 | pupnik | plus you've got > 640 pix horiz resolution for the apps anyway |
| 14:49.40 | suihkulokki | change to fullscreen |
| 14:49.41 | _Monkey | suihkulokki: that doesn't look right |
| 14:49.48 | [31d1] | but yeah you're sort of right reganding finger |
| 14:49.48 | pupnik | HAHAHA |
| 14:49.55 | suihkulokki | bloody bots |
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| 14:50.06 | suihkulokki | change to fullscreen |
| 14:50.06 | _Monkey | suihkulokki: that doesn't look right |
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| 14:52.11 | red-zack | pupnik: this one : http://img262.imageshack.us/my.php?image=siduxchilititanny0.png |
| 14:53.46 | pupnik | i wonder how those were made |
| 14:54.13 | red-zack | i think with inscape |
| 14:54.16 | red-zack | a friend does |
| 14:54.19 | pupnik | anyway - nice weather - must take a walk |
| 14:54.26 | red-zack | bye |
| 14:54.28 | pupnik | ah yes i saw them - not bad |
| 14:55.02 | red-zack | in our area clouds are comming |
| 14:57.19 | AD-N770 | lardman: did you fixed the compile issue ? |
| 14:58.01 | lardman | AD-N770: No, I'm at work so can't try compiling till I head home |
| 14:58.08 | red-zack | hm, we need a lightwight compiz version for our n770^^ |
| 14:58.17 | lardman | can't try looking at the pre-processor output anyway |
| 14:59.27 | AD-N770 | lardman: which is the error message from the compiler ? |
| 15:00.03 | lardman | AD-N770: they are in the compiler-output.txt file in the url I gave |
| 15:01.35 | lardman | AD-N770: Found it? |
| 15:01.45 | AD-N770 | yes, reading it now |
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| 15:13.57 | lardman | AD-N770: Any thoughts? |
| 15:14.48 | AD-N770 | is curious, I cannnot locate the proper error lines |
| 15:15.06 | lardman | hmm, I don't think I changed the code since then |
| 15:15.12 | lardman | hang on, let me take a look see |
| 15:17.17 | lardman | ah, I added the copyright |
| 15:17.18 | lardman | sorry |
| 15:17.30 | lardman | add 6 to the line number for OGGV_ogg.h |
| 15:17.53 | lardman | first error is on line 155: extern ogg_int32_t oggpack_look(oggpack_buffer *b,ogg_int16_t bits); |
| 15:19.31 | lardman | add 5 to the OGGV_misc.h line numbers |
| 15:20.01 | lardman | first error is on line 205: ogg_int16_t sign=0, bit=0; (I've just changed that back to it's original form) |
| 15:20.29 | lardman | Was a bit tired last night when I put the tarball together, thought I'd re-run the compile but obviously not |
| 15:23.14 | lardman | Not doing very well here, the declaration of sign & bit were split when I compiled, so I've split them again - the next error was on l208+5 = sign=1; |
| 15:23.52 | AD-N770 | lardman: at div64_int, possibly lack of the space at if (!b)return ret; |
| 15:24.57 | AD-N770 | lardman: similiar one at mul64_int, if (b&1)ret=add64_64(ret,a); |
| 15:25.24 | lardman | I fear you're looking at the wrong lines then |
| 15:25.45 | AD-N770 | I was looking for statement not reached errors |
| 15:26.29 | lardman | Ah, well that's not a biggie as it's only a warning |
| 15:27.03 | AD-N770 | easier to fix and somtimes the cause of other errors :) |
| 15:27.18 | lardman | yeah, fair enough |
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| 15:28.28 | lardman | what do you mean by lack of space? |
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| 15:29.39 | lardman | strange it's almost as if the compiler doesn't think that sign is a variable |
| 15:30.13 | lardman | pre-processor output as roxfan suggested |
| 15:30.33 | AD-N770 | probably will be the best way |
| 15:31.07 | lardman | I'll take a look later on this evening |
| 15:31.12 | AD-N770 | I don't know if the TI compiler suport struct initializations as ogg_int64_t ret={0,0} |
| 15:31.49 | lardman | I don't know either, but all of the other source in the dir has compiled okay and these all use the same headers |
| 15:32.05 | lardman | so there's presumably something about the combination of my .c and the headers |
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| 15:37.08 | AD-N770 | lardman: I was refering there's no space between ) and ret |
| 15:38.22 | lardman | AD-N770: I'm heading home now, I'll look at the pre-processor output and see what that shows |
| 15:38.29 | lardman | AD-N770: I'll let you know how I get on |
| 15:38.37 | AD-N770 | ok |
| 15:39.09 | lardman | bye chaps |
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| 15:42.28 | tso | hmm, maybe i should reflash to fix my app manager issue (dpgk-status do not appear to be available, i cant find the file in any bin dir) |
| 15:42.44 | tso | question then is, 2006 or 2007HE? |
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| 15:46.45 | saaib | morning |
| 15:46.46 | _Monkey | aloha |
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| 15:59.27 | setyte | how do i disable strict check of rsa in ssh |
| 16:01.01 | [31d1] | /etc/ssh/ssh_config |
| 16:01.42 | TPC | if I enetered the wrong WPA key on the N800, how can I tell it to forget the one I entered and let me enter a new one? |
| 16:01.45 | TPC | entered* |
| 16:02.07 | AD-N770 | TPC, remove the connection on the control panel |
| 16:02.12 | [31d1] | connection manager |
| 16:02.16 | TPC | ok |
| 16:03.39 | TPC | I'm there, and I don't se eany way to remove it |
| 16:05.00 | TPC | ah wait |
| 16:05.01 | TPC | found it |
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| 16:08.11 | tso | heh, flashing the 770 kinda reminds me of watching the kids in the anime denno coil restore their AR glasses after a "fight" |
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| 16:10.38 | setyte | how do i save and exit vi on n800 |
| 16:11.20 | [31d1] | :wq |
| 16:11.23 | [31d1] | or :x |
| 16:11.29 | [31d1] | <esc>:x |
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| 16:14.22 | tso | now to get the repos back in place |
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| 16:23.00 | tso | hmm, trying to add the ad-hoc repo using installer makes app manager crash |
| 16:36.28 | ijon_ | what is the proper way for hildonization of sdl app? tutotial talks about maemo-games-startup whereas real n800 have osso-games-startup instead... and this one seem pretty tied to the 4 default maemo games (blocks, mahjong etc.) |
| 16:37.19 | ijon_ | anyone have touched this area? |
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| 16:40.50 | pyhimys | Anyone know how sould erminig processing take? |
| 16:42.31 | pyhimys | how long that is |
| 16:43.03 | pyhimys | Mine has taken ~15 minutes so far |
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| 16:45.35 | Blacksitox | hi |
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| 16:49.12 | mgedmin | what's erminig? |
| 16:49.47 | celesteh | erming, _monkey? |
| 16:49.47 | _Monkey | it has been said that erming is a tool to sync GPE with google calendar and can be found someplace at http://david.hautbois.free.fr/joomla/ |
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| 17:10.01 | bedboi | is libpcap known to work on n800? |
| 17:10.51 | Pio | works on the 770... i'd assume so on the 800 |
| 17:11.12 | Pio | at least, i know i had tcpdump working on my 770 |
| 17:12.04 | bearclaw_ | did anyone manage to build a recent Qt for maemo? |
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| 17:13.16 | unique311_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:14.16 | unique311_ | I want to dual boot on the N800. |
| 17:14.58 | unique311_ | now after doing so, will i be able to flash the the N800 and still be able to use my old system thats on the mmc? |
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| 17:20.32 | erstazi | unique311_: what else are you going to dual boot to? |
| 17:23.23 | unique311_ | just regular system. |
| 17:23.48 | unique311_ | but having crashes with it, but don't want to get rid of it.. |
| 17:26.57 | pupnik | dpkg-status? |
| 17:27.16 | tso | grumble, flashing should clean out the apt-get stuff yes? then why is app manager telling me to run apt-get update to clean up some repo stuff? |
| 17:27.52 | pupnik | yeah it stays the same unique311_ |
| 17:27.54 | ||cw | just used the new maemo.org downloads stuff with the .install files, python didn't work, but everything else so far is just plain sweet |
| 17:28.19 | ||cw | has to drop to apt to actually install python |
| 17:28.20 | pupnik | dunno tso |
| 17:28.50 | ||cw | tso: flashing should wipe everything to factory default |
| 17:28.50 | pupnik | yeah .install files are a good and happy thing |
| 17:28.57 | tso | something about not being able to stat source package lists... |
| 17:29.24 | pupnik | sounds like a connection error |
| 17:29.34 | tso | not surprised... |
| 17:29.58 | tso | the maemo.org servers seems to have a issue being accessed by a 770 or something :S |
| 17:29.58 | lmoura | ||cw, did you tried just maemo.org or tried instructions from pymaemo site? |
| 17:30.09 | ||cw | maemo.org |
| 17:31.01 | ||cw | hm, ermining is giving an error, mixing depreciated and non-depreciated GtkToolbar API is not allowed |
| 17:31.05 | erstazi | tso: do you have becomeroot and ssh installed? |
| 17:31.06 | pupnik | i've heard that from someone else tso, but it works fine here |
| 17:31.43 | lmoura | ||cw, python needs two .install files |
| 17:31.44 | tso | just installed becomeroot and dropbear yes erstazi |
| 17:32.00 | erstazi | tso: do you have OS2006 or OS2007HE? |
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| 17:32.09 | tso | 2006 |
| 17:32.15 | lmoura | ||cw, check http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/installation.html |
| 17:32.16 | erstazi | tso: do you want my sources.list? |
| 17:32.27 | erstazi | tso: http://c-wd.net/maemo/sources.list |
| 17:32.32 | tso | i dont think that would be needed, but thanks |
| 17:32.44 | erstazi | tso: it has *majority* of the known repos |
| 17:32.53 | erstazi | tso: so that would give many apps to choose from |
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| 17:35.05 | tso | wtf, i just get "no route to host" when i try to ssh in to the 770 :( |
| 17:35.28 | lardman | roxfan[work]: Indeed the preprocessor told me the answer |
| 17:35.58 | pupnik | nice list erstazi - ty |
| 17:36.09 | lardman | roxfan[work]: and now that I come to think about it, I can remember creating the global variable in question, that's what comes of programming in the wee hours I think |
| 17:38.43 | saaib | wwoohoo!! |
| 17:38.48 | saaib | A replacement Nokia 770 device, has been shipped for your original Nokia 770 device under Nokia's replacement program. |
| 17:39.11 | bedboi | hey guys i want to set up a stupid deb repository for my purposes (app that i have to test on n800), i never remember how to do that |
| 17:39.27 | bedboi | i remember an application which generates Packages.gz |
| 17:39.56 | tso | hrmf, reinstalled dropbear and now it just sits there with no prompt or anything when doing ssh |
| 17:40.00 | saaib | anyone here that have already been sent a replacement unit? Have you had any problems if the SOD comes back into the replacement? |
| 17:40.18 | tso | heh, seems like dropbear have some issues... |
| 17:40.35 | erstazi | pupnik: its a collection of different repos from maemo veterans before me! heh |
| 17:40.40 | erstazi | they deserve the thanks |
| 17:40.58 | saaib | Is anyone aware of any politic about a replacement unit being bad and being replaced? or replacement units having specific warranty policies? |
| 17:45.17 | RushPL | what are the advantages of nokia n800's browser engine which cannot be shipped with 2007HE image? |
| 17:47.15 | pupnik | It's not 2 years old? |
| 17:47.29 | pupnik | Or 3? |
| 17:47.29 | _Monkey | i think 3 is initfs i think |
| 17:48.28 | tso | interesting, if i ctrl-c out of a ssh login i have to reconnect the 770 to the network... |
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| 17:49.11 | tso | the default pass was rootme yes? |
| 17:49.27 | pupnik | RushPL: you know microb? |
| 17:49.30 | pupnik | yes |
| 17:49.34 | bedboi | guys have you ever had problems with threading on N800? |
| 17:49.40 | RushPL | pupnik: saw it in repos |
| 17:49.51 | tso | i dont get it, it just sits there after the password prompt |
| 17:50.17 | RushPL | I'm gonna flash my nokia in a second, so just wondering. |
| 17:50.21 | pupnik | tso that is three strange occurrences that i have never heard before |
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| 17:51.04 | tso | well i dont know whats going on. unless my "poor" wifi setup is messing with the ssh connection somehow |
| 17:51.45 | tso | bingo, ctrl-c and when i try again i get "no route to host" |
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| 17:52.27 | bedboi | i'm experiencing weired problems with g_thread_create |
| 17:52.32 | bedboi | (i guess) |
| 17:52.54 | bedboi | the function is called and it doesn't complain |
| 17:53.29 | bedboi | btw it seems that the function i pass to it is never called |
| 17:53.37 | bedboi | and the bad stuff is that it just exits |
| 17:53.44 | bedboi | even if i don't have any exits |
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| 17:56.15 | RushPL | and unofficially can I get flash on n770 without getting banned for asking in here? |
| 17:56.16 | RushPL | :P |
| 17:56.30 | RushPL | (with microb) |
| 18:01.12 | ||cw | tso: can you ping it? |
| 18:01.16 | RushPL | (wow, that is some forbidden question) |
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| 18:01.42 | tso | when i try i get host unreachable... |
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| 18:02.12 | pupnik | RushPL: i don't know - check the itt forums |
| 18:02.31 | RushPL | right, I totally forget about them. Sorry. |
| 18:03.54 | pupnik | flash is pretty cpu hungry though so i generally avoid it on 770 |
| 18:04.20 | ||cw | RushPL: flash as in flash9? |
| 18:04.30 | ||cw | RushPL: or lite |
| 18:04.43 | RushPL | dunno, I read only that it's shipped with n800. |
| 18:04.49 | ||cw | until adobe recompiles it for arm, no |
| 18:05.09 | ||cw | n800 is armel |
| 18:05.14 | ||cw | er |
| 18:05.25 | ||cw | no i got the names wrong |
| 18:05.41 | ||cw | eitherway, flash that's on the n800is not binary compatable with the 770 |
| 18:05.59 | tso | is the 770 even supposed to answer to ping requests? |
| 18:06.04 | ||cw | tso: yes |
| 18:06.14 | tso | then something is horribly wrong ;( |
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| 18:09.08 | tso | i keep getting host unreachable... |
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| 18:09.45 | mgedmin | tso: my 770 tended to become unreachable after the idle timeout/screen blanking |
| 18:10.00 | mgedmin | I had to tap it to wake it up and then usually could continue working with my existing ssh sessions |
| 18:10.05 | tso | well i just rebooted it so... |
| 18:10.19 | tso | and the screen is shining in my face |
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| 18:12.27 | mgedmin | does the wifi icon show it's online? |
| 18:12.43 | tso | yep |
| 18:12.55 | ||cw | installed xterm yet? |
| 18:13.14 | tso | yes |
| 18:13.27 | ||cw | check ifconfig |
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| 18:13.40 | ||cw | one of the first things I install is the IPHome applet |
| 18:14.05 | tso | i have that installed and im looking at the ip. its what i aim my pings at... |
| 18:14.11 | tso | hmm, ifconfig do not tabcomplete... |
| 18:14.31 | ||cw | sweet, ermining is awesome |
| 18:14.42 | ||cw | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:14.52 | tso | sbin in fact... |
| 18:15.19 | tso | everything looks the same there as on iphome |
| 18:15.35 | ||cw | so it has an IP? |
| 18:15.54 | tso | yep |
| 18:16.32 | mgedmin | what is ermining? |
| 18:16.33 | _Monkey | ermining is giving an error, mixing depreciated and non-depreciated GtkToolbar API is not allowed |
| 18:16.40 | tso | hmm, i removed dropbear-server, installed openssh-server instead, not much change. ssh still give me host unreachable |
| 18:16.46 | mgedmin | _Monkey: that's not very useful, you silly bot |
| 18:16.46 | _Monkey | mgedmin: i'm not following you... |
| 18:16.50 | mgedmin | exactly |
| 18:17.11 | mgedmin | can your 770 reach anything, e.g., with the browser? |
| 18:18.36 | tso | no problem there |
| 18:19.27 | tso | your not the only one |
| 18:19.44 | tso | heh, maybe i should pull the power on my wifi base for a moment, just for the hell of it... |
| 18:21.17 | ||cw | you sure you're connected to the right access point? |
| 18:21.35 | mgedmin | I think turning off the room lights and turning them back on would have about the same effect... |
| 18:22.23 | tso | mgedmin: could be the firmware in the base have gotten hickup... |
| 18:22.44 | tso | anyways, yes im on the right access points. its the only one withing 300+ meters |
| 18:23.17 | mgedmin | and you're not one of those crazy people who compile iptables just so they could have a firewall on their 770, right? |
| 18:23.37 | tso | now why should i do that when i have one on my dsl router?! |
| 18:24.01 | RushPL | is n800's skype trying to use cpu instructions unavailable on n770? is it the reason it fails to start? |
| 18:25.04 | tso | heh, for a moment i got a "fingerprint have changed!" from ssh. but now im back at unreachable... |
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| 18:26.18 | tso | wtf? if i have app manager going with a repo update, i get a connection?! |
| 18:27.10 | ||cw | tso: while you have a connection, unplug the router and see if the connection stops |
| 18:27.38 | tso | not a option, im using that for other things right now |
| 18:27.53 | tso | hmm, now i got a ping reply! |
| 18:28.11 | tso | and i have a ssh shell |
| 18:28.21 | tso | ok, what just happened... |
| 18:29.21 | pupnik | i suggest calling an exorcist |
| 18:29.44 | tso | that or a radio tech... |
| 18:29.45 | pupnik | cover the furniture with plastic first, just in case |
| 18:29.52 | tso | hehe |
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| 18:31.07 | mgedmin | power-savings gone amok? |
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| 18:31.22 | mgedmin | there were some interesting threads about that on the mailing list |
| 18:31.44 | mgedmin | apparently the wlan power savings mode of the 770 doesn't work well with some accesspoints |
| 18:31.45 | tso | im suspecting weather. its not the best right now... |
| 18:31.49 | tso | no lightnings but still |
| 18:31.53 | mgedmin | and you can increase some timeouts somewhere to see if it gets better |
| 18:33.43 | mgedmin | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/users/18057 |
| 18:34.23 | mgedmin | ah, it's not configurable on a 770 |
| 18:34.51 | tso | hmm, now the pings are gone again... |
| 18:35.32 | tso | there is some timeout going wacked indeed |
| 18:35.47 | tso | i need to wake things up from the 770, like say accessing a webpage |
| 18:38.10 | pupnik | there are network powersave settings you can tweak |
| 18:38.44 | pupnik | you can also set screen dimming/blanking to several hours |
| 18:39.01 | tso | i think its unrelated to the display |
| 18:39.22 | tso | as the display is currently black but the ping is still responding |
| 18:39.48 | pupnik | yes i think they are seperate |
| 18:41.52 | tso | bah, im horribly unfamiliar with debian :( |
| 18:43.49 | mgedmin | debian rules |
| 18:44.27 | tso | heh, maybe so. but im still unfamiliar with it. like where apt-get house its sources.list and so on :( |
| 18:46.00 | [31d1] | /etc/apt/ |
| 18:46.02 | ||cw | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:46.14 | [31d1] | debian rules rpm drules |
| 18:49.30 | RushPL | hm, can somebody tell me how can I associate .install files with adding repos? |
| 18:50.17 | RushPL | it worked in OS2006, I was able to simply go to an .install file in the browser and retrieve packages. |
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| 18:51.13 | [31d1] | i thought .install files could do lots of stuff? |
| 18:52.03 | RushPL | the problem is they're not associated, they show up as text |
| 18:52.15 | mgedmin | are you sure it's not a server problem? |
| 18:52.25 | mgedmin | the web server is supposed to serve .install files with the correct content-type header |
| 18:52.36 | RushPL | I think not, because it worked in the OS2006. |
| 18:52.40 | mgedmin | application/x-install-instructions |
| 18:52.45 | RushPL | I have an almost fresh OS2007 |
| 18:52.55 | mgedmin | hm |
| 18:53.15 | mgedmin | the .install files from downloads.maemo.org work for me |
| 18:53.25 | mgedmin | on my N800 with OS2007 |
| 18:53.44 | RushPL | maybe that's an issue with OS2007HE |
| 18:54.23 | pupnik | using google spreadsheet for the first time collaboratively with tchat and 4 people - amazing! |
| 18:54.30 | RushPL | I don't have a bluetooth keyboard so manually adding repos would be extremely tedious for me ... |
| 18:55.05 | RushPL | pupnik: on nokia 770? |
| 18:55.23 | pupnik | no - i'll try now |
| 18:55.47 | RushPL | for me the browser works so sluggish, and it can't even do google maps. |
| 18:56.31 | RushPL | and loading skype's webpage make everything hang for some time |
| 18:56.34 | RushPL | *makes |
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| 19:01.33 | pupnik | many websites are zippy fast. some websites are very slow - took about 1 minute to load a 1000 column spreadsheet |
| 19:02.13 | pupnik | s/column/row |
| 19:03.38 | Def | RushPL, yo. |
| 19:03.41 | Def | You got your's? |
| 19:03.52 | RushPL | yep |
| 19:03.58 | Def | So did I. |
| 19:04.02 | Def | This thing is awesome. |
| 19:04.08 | RushPL | Def: I was very very impressed. |
| 19:04.14 | Def | Needs a todo list. |
| 19:04.24 | Def | Imma make one as soon as I get gdc |
| 19:04.31 | RushPL | but I'm a bit disappointed at OS2007 giving me headaches atm :P |
| 19:04.39 | RushPL | but it's HE .. so not big deal |
| 19:04.53 | Def | Why do you need OS2007? |
| 19:04.58 | Def | I see no benifit |
| 19:05.04 | RushPL | more software |
| 19:05.19 | mgedmin | bluetooth obex push support would be nice to have on a 770 |
| 19:05.24 | mgedmin | does it work on os2007HE? |
| 19:06.07 | RushPL | I wonder if somebody will get the damn skype working |
| 19:06.13 | RushPL | it shows the welcome screen only |
| 19:06.43 | Def | RushPL, like what? |
| 19:07.01 | RushPL | Def: software depending on newer libs |
| 19:08.00 | RushPL | well, maybe I'll revert to OS2006, I need to check out the 2007 further. |
| 19:08.59 | Def | Rush, let's make our own. |
| 19:09.01 | mgedmin | best features of os2007, compared to 2006: reorderable statusbar icons, tablet-to-tablet bluetooth file transfers, inlined cut/copy/paste in the virtual keyboard menu (or was this already present in os2006?) |
| 19:09.03 | Def | 100% OSS |
| 19:09.51 | RushPL | Def: you want to pull me into something I'm not yet convinced to do. :P |
| 19:10.22 | Def | Hehe. |
| 19:11.30 | Def | Could you at least send an email so we can get gdc. |
| 19:11.46 | Def | Maybe if he gets multiples he will supply a binary |
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| 19:11.58 | pupnik | what is gdc? |
| 19:12.06 | Def | D compiler |
| 19:12.23 | suihkulokki | D only works on 386 and amd64 |
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| 19:12.32 | Def | DMD |
| 19:12.43 | RushPL | gdc is gcc's backend |
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| 19:12.52 | Def | Yeah. |
| 19:13.11 | suihkulokki | ..and powerpc it seems |
| 19:13.41 | Def | ... |
| 19:13.50 | suihkulokki | but no arm |
| 19:13.54 | Def | Omg |
| 19:13.55 | Def | Dude |
| 19:13.58 | Def | Yes it does. |
| 19:14.16 | Def | I know of at least two people who currently use D on arm. |
| 19:14.44 | Def | I also know someone got it working on sparc, don't remember who. |
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| 19:16.21 | RushPL | eh, OS2007HE is just working too slow for me. I'll try latest OS2006. :) |
| 19:16.38 | Def | I am using 2006 v2, works fine. |
| 19:19.37 | [31d1] | sweet my gps just came in the mail |
| 19:19.50 | Def | ..wtf |
| 19:20.20 | Def | I cannot figure out the vmware maemo thing |
| 19:23.24 | RushPL | I hope I can get wesnoth working on OS2006 somehow or else I'm gonna be sad |
| 19:23.36 | RushPL | and I don't want to be sad :P |
| 19:24.13 | Def | ... |
| 19:24.20 | Def | I cannot get this vnware image |
| 19:24.29 | Def | There are a buynch of .7z.005 files |
| 19:25.03 | Def | Erm |
| 19:25.04 | Def | Wait |
| 19:25.12 | Def | A bunch of .7z.# |
| 19:25.29 | gla55_ | 7zip files |
| 19:25.37 | Def | I know. |
| 19:25.44 | gla55_ | extract them? |
| 19:25.44 | Def | But I don't know how to decompress them all. |
| 19:25.51 | Def | They are seperate files. |
| 19:25.55 | Def | I guess for the torrent. |
| 19:26.12 | Def | It needs to be one file, no? |
| 19:26.40 | RushPL | yep, OS2006 feels soooo much faster |
| 19:26.41 | gla55_ | dunno. doesn't 7zip know how to uncompress tehm? |
| 19:26.56 | Def | Ark doesn't |
| 19:27.05 | RushPL | is Ark 7z aware? |
| 19:27.14 | Def | I think so. |
| 19:30.04 | Def | Hmm |
| 19:30.13 | Def | Might just be because they have a bad extension. |
| 19:30.52 | pupnik | a multi-part archive capable extractor will handle them |
| 19:31.02 | Def | Example? |
| 19:31.10 | Def | I don't know of one. |
| 19:31.36 | pupnik | p7zip |
| 19:32.47 | Def | What would I use as the args |
| 19:32.48 | Def | ? |
| 19:32.52 | Def | Just the directory? |
| 19:33.08 | pupnik | usually the first file - not sure |
| 19:33.26 | pupnik | then it finds the rest |
| 19:34.29 | Def | Ah |
| 19:34.32 | Def | First file |
| 19:34.38 | Def | Got it. |
| 19:37.23 | Def | RushPL, So you don't wanna develop anything for the 770? |
| 19:37.42 | RushPL | Def: I am, just not at the very moment. |
| 19:38.05 | Def | I think I am going to make alternatives for the closed source parts. |
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| 19:38.36 | RushPL | My first goal is to make it usable for me. :) Then I have to get bluetooth keyboard and start to mess with the system. |
| 19:38.36 | Def | Dunno when. |
| 19:38.42 | RushPL | development is really the last part |
| 19:38.58 | Def | It was pretty usable out of the box. |
| 19:42.52 | Def | What does it miss out of the box? |
| 19:43.37 | bedboi | re |
| 19:43.46 | bedboi | is there anyone who had issues with threading? |
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| 19:56.19 | Def | Hmm, vmware image doesn't boot. |
| 19:56.20 | Def | Lame. |
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| 20:02.03 | bedboi | wow!!! n800 uses dbus 0.62 |
| 20:02.09 | bedboi | ops 0.61 |
| 20:02.11 | bedboi | damn |
| 20:02.25 | bedboi | why's that, it is ancient! |
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| 20:11.44 | pupnik | i just tried to rewind television |
| 20:12.53 | Pio | heh |
| 20:14.27 | Def | Pio. |
| 20:14.29 | Def | Whoa. |
| 20:14.34 | Def | Hi. |
| 20:14.39 | Pio | yo |
| 20:14.48 | Pio | heh i saw you in here earlier this week |
| 20:15.00 | Pio | you got a 770 eh? |
| 20:15.07 | Def | Yeah. |
| 20:15.08 | Def | :D |
| 20:15.16 | Def | Cannot get scratchbox working. |
| 20:15.21 | Def | I even tried vmware. |
| 20:15.25 | Def | Oh well... :/ |
| 20:15.38 | Def | I could just dev directly on the nokia I guess. |
| 20:17.00 | Pio | not fun to compile |
| 20:17.03 | Pio | you using debian? |
| 20:17.12 | Def | Archlinux |
| 20:17.15 | Pio | it was pretty easy when i set it up on my debian box |
| 20:17.22 | Def | Well. |
| 20:17.23 | Pio | never tried any other distros |
| 20:17.34 | Def | I need to have vdso built into my kernel. |
| 20:17.39 | Def | And I don't want a custom kernel. |
| 20:17.43 | Pio | everything i was reading was kind of saying.. just use debian.. |
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| 20:18.33 | Def | Hmm. |
| 20:18.51 | Def | I guess I have a few extra hard disks to do it on. |
| 20:18.54 | Def | But I don't wanna reboot. |
| 20:19.03 | Def | So it is going to need to wait. |
| 20:19.12 | bedboi | guys anyone has any idea why maemo uses dbus 0.61? |
| 20:19.27 | bedboi | is there some 1.0.x unstable package ? |
| 20:19.28 | Def | Compiling on the 770 shouldn't be that slow. |
| 20:20.05 | Def | I mean, it is a 300 mhz ARM |
| 20:20.51 | Def | I guess that would be equivalent to like, I dunno, 600 mhz intel? |
| 20:20.57 | Def | 450 amf |
| 20:21.04 | Def | amd* |
| 20:22.45 | bedboi | Def: why you want to compile natively? |
| 20:23.11 | Def | Pio, plus D compiles insanely fast. |
| 20:24.01 | Def | A huge game engine I work on compiles in about 4 seconds, and 2 of those are likely caused by the build utility scanning for dependencies. |
| 20:24.09 | Def | bedboi: Why not? |
| 20:24.23 | bedboi | Def: that's the point |
| 20:24.24 | bedboi | i mean |
| 20:24.36 | Def | Nokia themselves have run D on the 770 |
| 20:24.55 | Def | http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=329290303&size=l |
| 20:27.05 | Def | That screenie is from a nokia employee. |
| 20:30.20 | Def | What is root@local host password? |
| 20:33.29 | Def | Oh. |
| 20:33.29 | Def | It is rootme |
| 20:34.37 | bedboi | rootme |
| 20:34.37 | _Monkey | rootme is probably the default pw? |
| 20:34.37 | bedboi | yep |
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| 20:35.51 | bedboi | _Monkey: i still got that thread problem |
| 20:35.52 | _Monkey | bedboi: huh? |
| 20:36.16 | bedboi | _Monkey: it's so bad. I can't imagine what's the problem |
| 20:36.17 | _Monkey | wish i knew, bedboi |
| 20:36.34 | bedboi | after g_thread_create it returns but the function don't get called |
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| 20:36.49 | Def | bedboi: pretty sure monkey is a bot |
| 20:37.05 | bedboi | LOL |
| 20:37.11 | celesteh | monkey is a bot, yes |
| 20:37.12 | bedboi | stupid me. |
| 20:37.14 | pupnik | aww you spoiled it |
| 20:37.19 | bedboi | it works quite wel |
| 20:37.26 | bedboi | _Monkey: sort out my problem, slave |
| 20:37.27 | _Monkey | bedboi: huh? |
| 20:37.35 | bedboi | _Monkey: you are kinda stupid |
| 20:37.35 | _Monkey | ...but _monkey is the best programmer in the whole freenode IRC right now | an annoying bot... |
| 20:37.39 | celesteh | _monkey, turing test? |
| 20:37.40 | _Monkey | celesteh: wish i knew |
| 20:38.01 | bedboi | ok it is quite stupid |
| 20:38.09 | bedboi | yes _Monkey you are. |
| 20:39.08 | bedboi | Harrison Ford would have spotted you in 1 question. |
| 20:41.20 | Def | Wowsa. |
| 20:41.32 | Def | Removing http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=329290303&size=l makes the boot time so much better. |
| 20:41.36 | Def | Amazing. |
| 20:43.26 | Def | Bleh. |
| 20:43.30 | Def | I need scratchbox. |
| 20:43.38 | Def | Hmm, what can I do about this... |
| 20:43.40 | bedboi | yep you need it |
| 20:43.50 | bedboi | it makes things simple |
| 20:43.51 | Def | The I need it to get gdc working. |
| 20:44.13 | bedboi | guys anyone of you ever had problems with threading on maemo platform??? |
| 20:44.17 | bedboi | Def: you need quite plenty |
| 20:44.35 | Def | Well, i need a new partition. |
| 20:44.45 | Def | To throw ubuntu on. |
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| 20:44.54 | Def | I never reboot my desktop. |
| 20:44.55 | Def | So. |
| 20:46.13 | Def | Ah. |
| 20:46.17 | Def | I have 11 gigs. |
| 20:46.27 | bedboi | is there any nokia guy out there? I really need some help. |
| 20:48.03 | bedboi | i won't ask to disclose secrets ... |
| 20:48.07 | bedboi | i swear |
| 20:48.20 | Def | Why do you need a nokia guy? |
| 20:48.54 | pupnik | because the current crowd doesn't know what the problem is perhaps |
| 20:49.19 | pupnik | there are apps for the nokia that use threads |
| 20:49.21 | Def | What linux distribution supports broadcom wireless and gnome networkmanager and is fast to install. |
| 20:49.49 | Def | Doesn't the runtime provide? |
| 20:50.24 | bedboi | pupnik: maybe there is some magic curse |
| 20:50.26 | pupnik | sidux lite is deb based, current and takes about 7 minutes. |
| 20:50.40 | pupnik | UQM uses threads |
| 20:50.58 | pupnik | but your broadcomm module might be non-free |
| 20:51.03 | bedboi | pupnik: but the question is: why the application gracefully exits??? |
| 20:51.11 | pupnik | i don't know |
| 20:51.26 | bedboi | pupnik: in scratchbox it is even worse |
| 20:51.31 | pupnik | try the mailing list |
| 20:51.47 | pupnik | give some simple code |
| 20:52.02 | bedboi | the problem is that the code is quite complicated |
| 20:52.18 | Deformative | pupnik: what runtime library are you using? |
| 20:52.23 | Deformative | glibc or the other? |
| 20:52.42 | bedboi | pupnik: and i use dbus, it could be a problem because n800 is shipped with ancient dbus |
| 20:52.57 | pupnik | whatever is on 2006 |
| 20:53.11 | bedboi | yep it is ancient, though |
| 20:53.24 | bedboi | 2006 is middle ages for dbus |
| 20:53.54 | bedboi | https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/tags/dbus/1.0.2-0osso10/ |
| 20:53.54 | bedboi | hmm |
| 20:53.56 | bedboi | what's this |
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| 20:56.23 | Deformative | I hope wireless works out of the box for me on ubutnu. |
| 20:56.27 | Deformative | :S |
| 20:57.22 | ffoegboy | erstazi, Hi, what is the best bluetooth compat keyboard |
| 20:57.46 | erstazi | ffoegboy: I don't use a bt keyboard but there are a few that are suggested |
| 20:58.01 | erstazi | Deformative: it does, normally |
| 20:58.23 | ffoegboy | erstazi, any thoughts on the best recommended, I am about to buy one? |
| 20:58.47 | erstazi | ffoegboy: I never bought one or used one, so its hard for me to make a judgement |
| 20:59.00 | erstazi | s/judgement/judgment/ |
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| 20:59.24 | ffoegboy | erstazi, where is the recommend list? do you know? |
| 20:59.36 | erstazi | on http://maemo.org |
| 21:02.21 | pupnik | i've only used the stowaway kbd |
| 21:02.38 | ffoegboy | pupnik, Is that good? |
| 21:03.05 | pupnik | i love it, but i've only used that one |
| 21:04.12 | pupnik | nokia makes one too |
| 21:05.12 | pupnik | for me it was important that the keyboard locks into the open position so i can use it on uneven surfaces |
| 21:05.56 | ffoegboy | pupnik, I was just about to ask you that, i need to use it in the car (not while driving lol) |
| 21:07.05 | pupnik | it doesn't firmly attatch to the 770, so if you use it on lap, you need a backpack or a case in lap |
| 21:07.11 | pupnik | on lap |
| 21:07.23 | pupnik | it has a little stand upon which the 770 leans |
| 21:07.48 | ffoegboy | is it an HID keybard? Did you have any trouble connecting to the N770 |
| 21:07.57 | pupnik | no trouble - yes hid profile |
| 21:08.05 | Deformative | Are there any full size bluetooth keyboards? |
| 21:08.32 | celesteh | the computer store near my house is full of them |
| 21:09.01 | ffoegboy | pupnik, Im reading a review about it and it says it folds in the middle when open, didnt you say it locked flat when open? |
| 21:09.08 | pupnik | yes |
| 21:09.44 | ffoegboy | pupnik, you mean it does lock open? what model is yours? |
| 21:10.00 | pupnik | thinkoutside stowaway |
| 21:10.09 | pupnik | sorry my answer should have been no |
| 21:10.16 | pupnik | i did not not say it locked flat when open |
| 21:10.46 | pupnik | that means it locks into the flat position when opened |
| 21:10.51 | Deformative | I want a traditional keyboard type thing. |
| 21:10.53 | Deformative | No folding |
| 21:11.22 | ffoegboy | pupnik, sorry i missunderstood when you said that it was important that it locked open i thought that yiours did that |
| 21:11.52 | pupnik | it does not not lock into the open position |
| 21:12.20 | ffoegboy | pupnik, i wonder if any do, that sounds like a good feature to have when travelling |
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| 21:12.36 | pupnik | the thinkoutside stowaway does |
| 21:12.45 | Deformative | Are there any non folding blue tooth keyboard compatible with the 770? |
| 21:13.06 | pupnik | why Deformative ? |
| 21:13.40 | Deformative | Because that is what I want |
| 21:13.41 | Deformative | :D |
| 21:13.53 | pupnik | where would you use it? |
| 21:13.57 | Deformative | I hate mini keyboards. |
| 21:14.03 | Deformative | I have really big fingers. |
| 21:14.10 | ffoegboy | pupnik, in the car of on a train, |
| 21:14.21 | pupnik | that would be big to carry around |
| 21:14.31 | pupnik | the stowaway fits in my pocket and has full size keys |
| 21:14.40 | Deformative | I have a bag that I carry my books in. |
| 21:14.46 | Deformative | So it wouldn't bother me. |
| 21:14.54 | Deformative | I guess a folding one would be good. |
| 21:15.10 | pupnik | the folding one is protected. an open one would need a case |
| 21:15.21 | Deformative | Ah. |
| 21:15.23 | Deformative | Good point. |
| 21:15.50 | pupnik | check out the sierra folding keyboard - has 5 rows so you can type numbers and #@$%@$% normally |
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| 21:17.39 | Deformative | Are all bt keyboards supported or just a portion? |
| 21:17.53 | c0ffee | all that support hid should work |
| 21:18.28 | Deformative | hid ? |
| 21:18.29 | _Monkey | somebody said hid was a standard for how interface deviced talk to computers |
| 21:18.37 | Deformative | Ah. |
| 21:19.15 | c0ffee | human-interface-device |
| 21:20.36 | pupnik | it's fun to see when monkey actually auto-learns a useful answer |
| 21:20.38 | bearclaw_ | maemo hacking is becoming too easy now that you can install ssh and a term from the web browser :) |
| 21:20.54 | pupnik | maemo? |
| 21:20.55 | _Monkey | maemo is at maemo.org or Open Source Software |
| 21:21.05 | pupnik | oh that's a terrible answer, we had a better one |
| 21:21.15 | bearclaw_ | maemo? |
| 21:21.16 | _Monkey | maemo is at maemo.org or Open Source Software |
| 21:21.35 | bearclaw_ | _Monkey has only one memory slot per word it seems |
| 21:21.36 | _Monkey | bearclaw_: i'm not following you... |
| 21:22.08 | pupnik | maemo? |
| 21:22.09 | _Monkey | somebody said maemo was the application development platform for the Nokia Internet Tablets: maemo.org |
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| 21:22.24 | pupnik | so you don't 'hack maemo' on the device, because maemo isnt on the device |
| 21:23.07 | bearclaw_ | you're right, nokia770 I meant |
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| 21:26.14 | Deformative | Bleh. |
| 21:26.50 | bedboi | damn damn damn. |
| 21:27.05 | bedboi | g_thread_create does not return null. so wtf is going on there? |
| 21:27.46 | Deformative | Try the other rubntime? |
| 21:29.19 | pupnik | i only see pthread code on my drive |
| 21:29.57 | Deformative | I don't think wireless is working. |
| 21:29.58 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:33.32 | bedboi | pupnik: GThread's should just use pthread (it is something needed for portability) |
| 21:33.58 | bedboi | and btw it is exactly the same, and moreover i don't see why GThread should not work on maemo! |
| 21:34.45 | bedboi | and it works perfectly on x86 |
| 21:35.39 | bedboi | core_socket_thread = g_thread_create((GThreadFunc)core_socket_up,cs->priv->core_socket, FALSE, NULL); |
| 21:35.55 | bedboi | it returns !NULL, but core_socket_up is not called NEVER |
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| 21:37.03 | bedboi | but i can't believe it's a bug in maemo glib... I guess a lot of people is using threads on maemo |
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| 21:39.57 | bearclaw_ | bedboi: try sleeping just after the thread_create call |
| 21:40.32 | bearclaw_ | (to give a chance to the new thread to be scheduled before current thread does anything) |
| 21:40.36 | bedboi | bearclaw_: lol |
| 21:40.57 | bedboi | i hope it is not that |
| 21:41.06 | bedboi | it would be so bad |
| 21:41.16 | bearclaw_ | i doubt it will fix your problem, but it may behave differently |
| 21:41.25 | bedboi | bearclaw_: hmm |
| 21:41.49 | bedboi | btw i sleep in several place after... let's see what happens |
| 21:42.04 | bedboi | shotgun debugging is too bad. |
| 21:42.22 | bedboi | because you end up with bad code after (hopefully) fixing |
| 21:42.32 | bearclaw_ | bluetooth isn't working on os2007 hacker ed for nokia770, is it a known bug? Is a fix planned? |
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| 21:43.03 | bearclaw_ | bedboi: I agree, but it might help understanding what is wrong |
| 21:44.11 | bedboi | nothing happened |
| 21:44.43 | bearclaw_ | you have a printf and something like that at the very beginning of core_socket_up I suppose? |
| 21:44.49 | bedboi | yep |
| 21:44.53 | bedboi | the VERY |
| 21:45.10 | bedboi | i have f***ing printfs all over the place now |
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| 21:47.09 | bedboi | in the qemu environment is even worse :) |
| 21:47.13 | Deformative | bedboi: What are you making? |
| 21:47.25 | bedboi | Deformative: what are you meaning? |
| 21:47.36 | bearclaw_ | can you do something on the returned gthread object? I dont know glib, but perhaps querying his status or something like that |
| 21:47.36 | bedboi | a threaded application |
| 21:47.42 | Deformative | What do you need threads for? |
| 21:47.53 | bedboi | Deformative: i need threads, full stop. |
| 21:47.58 | Deformative | More specific. |
| 21:48.12 | bedboi | it's a networking application |
| 21:48.23 | bedboi | threads are very usefull in many circumstances. |
| 21:48.32 | Deformative | I am not an idiot. |
| 21:48.39 | Deformative | I just wanted to know what you were making. |
| 21:48.57 | bedboi | Deformative: networking app, I need 3 threads |
| 21:49.22 | Deformative | ... |
| 21:49.31 | Deformative | I am not interested in the threads. |
| 21:49.38 | Deformative | I just wanted to know what it is you are making. |
| 21:49.51 | Deformative | Networking app is hardly specific. |
| 21:50.11 | bedboi | Deformative: it's some research application for the FIND (Future Internet Design) project |
| 21:50.24 | Deformative | Oh, neat. |
| 21:50.44 | pupnik | a wider search shows no apps on 770 using g_thread_create . everything is pthread_create so far |
| 21:50.53 | bedboi | why is that??? |
| 21:51.08 | bedboi | is there something that we should know about glib and maemo? |
| 21:51.13 | bedboi | maemo is quite glib-centric |
| 21:51.18 | pupnik | i don't know but it's interesting |
| 21:51.25 | pupnik | interesting you found this issue |
| 21:51.29 | bedboi | so i supposed glib is fully supported and perfectly working on that. |
| 21:51.40 | bedboi | damn. |
| 21:52.56 | pupnik | i've got a project that doesn't build yet that has g_thread_create, so thanks for bringing this up |
| 21:53.07 | suihkulokki | bedboi: post a testcase to the maemo-devel mailing list |
| 21:53.23 | bedboi | it's what i'm doing. |
| 21:53.45 | bedboi | btw i want to be sure that GThreads are not working at all, which i guess it's not simply reproducable. |
| 21:54.33 | bedboi | i guess that they work at some extent but they are not fully supported or buggy |
| 21:54.55 | bearclaw_ | can anyone try "hcitool dev" on a 770 with OS2007 hacker edition? |
| 21:55.25 | suihkulokki | They should work, they shouldn't be buggy |
| 21:55.40 | suihkulokki | bedboi: you are testing on the device, or in scratchbox? |
| 21:57.11 | bedboi | device |
| 21:57.12 | _Monkey | somebody said device was perfect |
| 21:57.30 | bedboi | _Monkey: you should shut your bot-mouth :) |
| 21:57.31 | _Monkey | bedboi: what? |
| 21:57.53 | suihkulokki | _Monkey: change to shutup bot |
| 21:57.53 | _Monkey | suihkulokki: that doesn't look right |
| 21:57.58 | suihkulokki | :] |
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| 21:58.09 | bedboi | LOL. |
| 21:58.31 | pupnik | i turned that response off |
| 21:59.04 | suihkulokki | bedboi: gthreads are just a wrapper on top of pthreads, so things should work the same way |
| 21:59.16 | bedboi | yep that's why i'm not figuring out |
| 21:59.27 | bedboi | maybe something bad in GMainLoop |
| 21:59.44 | suihkulokki | bedboi: the only major difference is that on maemo, they are still using linuxthreads, not nptl like your pc probably does |
| 21:59.44 | bedboi | GMainLoop is very delicate stuff. |
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| 22:00.36 | suihkulokki | but many people do use threads in maemo, so it might be some way of using threads that doesn't work |
| 22:01.05 | bedboi | hmm |
| 22:01.07 | bedboi | why's that |
| 22:01.10 | RushPL | I have a problem with LCARS theme, some apps have black text on black bg labels. I suppose it cannot be fixed without app ingeration, or maybe can it? |
| 22:01.30 | bedboi | brb, gotta go to the bank or it will close |
| 22:01.33 | RushPL | (like the feed reader or maemopad+) |
| 22:02.15 | pupnik | i hate apps that are incompatible with dark themes |
| 22:02.19 | pupnik | and webpages too |
| 22:02.54 | pupnik | "dur-de-dur... I'll just make the text black, because *everybody* wants black text! dur-de-dur..." |
| 22:03.06 | RushPL | well, I cannot agree more. Is there anything better than Maemopad+ or a replacement for Feed reader(along with plugin) |
| 22:03.39 | pupnik | I just complain to the author |
| 22:04.25 | RushPL | ok, maybe they will comply :> |
| 22:06.23 | RushPL | pupnik: do you know why they haven't made "rectangle restoring" after elements going into hide again? The part of the screen becomes black and needs to wait for a redraw. |
| 22:07.02 | pupnik | no |
| 22:07.15 | pupnik | maybe it saves memory though |
| 22:08.16 | RushPL | come on, part of such small screen .. and for not that long. |
| 22:08.35 | RushPL | (I mean the buffering sollution) |
| 22:09.14 | pupnik | xomap derives from kdrive X server, iirc. And that is designed for the smallest possible footprint. |
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| 22:09.53 | RushPL | whatever, but the black rects look lame. :) |
| 22:10.06 | pupnik | i don't notice anything |
| 22:10.36 | RushPL | well, these are not black rects, it's the background. |
| 22:10.39 | RushPL | open menu and close |
| 22:10.45 | RushPL | you'll see the background |
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| 22:12.09 | bearclaw_ | ah, after a reboot, my bluetooth device is back |
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| 22:14.52 | pupnik | right - well sleep calls - cheers |
| 22:15.06 | bearclaw_ | 'night |
| 22:15.14 | RushPL | night |
| 22:15.29 | Deformative | Lala |
| 22:15.52 | RushPL | Deformative: now I have a good bunch of repos added, and I'm evaluating current apps. |
| 22:16.15 | Deformative | :D |
| 22:16.24 | Deformative | Too much is closed source. |
| 22:16.28 | Deformative | Much more than I expected |
| 22:17.52 | Deformative | I am getting scratchbox to work. |
| 22:17.59 | Deformative | I made a ubuntu partition on my lappy. |
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| 22:21.49 | RushPL | stupid question, how do I input 0 with text writing?(not O, 0) |
| 22:22.02 | RushPL | I mean hand-writing |
| 22:24.12 | Deformative | Hand writing is bad. |
| 22:24.21 | Deformative | It wears out the touchscreen real fast. |
| 22:24.39 | Deformative | I learned that from past experience on palm. |
| 22:25.09 | procto | RushPL: write an O and then cross it diagonally. You can go to the "Train Handwriting" program to see how to write letters and numbers. |
| 22:25.11 | bedboi | Deformative: yep. it is useless in my opinion |
| 22:25.18 | bedboi | thumb keyboard rocks most of the time |
| 22:25.57 | bedboi | and it works even if you have to type when walking which happens a lot |
| 22:26.08 | bedboi | the writing stuff is impossible in that scenario |
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| 22:26.20 | bedboi | i never had any luck with that |
| 22:29.06 | procto | I use the writing when I'm in the console |
| 22:29.14 | procto | since I'm programmed in a bunch of macros |
| 22:29.17 | bedboi | hmm actually strace on x86 reveals a clone syscall which in n800 case doesn't get called |
| 22:29.19 | procto | for exaple "|more" |
| 22:29.25 | procto | I just do a certain squiggly |
| 22:29.27 | procto | and get that |
| 22:29.33 | procto | or "|greo -i" |
| 22:29.36 | procto | grep* |
| 22:29.53 | procto | and several others |
| 22:30.13 | procto | that, and adding Ctrl-C and Enter to the xterm toolbar |
| 22:30.23 | procto | made working in the shell on the n800 sooo much faster |
| 22:30.30 | procto | at least when I don't feel like taking out my keyboard |
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| 22:33.15 | bedboi | damn, it's real pain debugging this issue. |
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| 22:34.17 | Deformative | Then don't. |
| 22:34.54 | bedboi | Deformative: i'm forced to do that. |
| 22:35.01 | bedboi | It's work man. |
| 22:35.26 | Deformative | Why do you need g threads? |
| 22:35.26 | bedboi | the cool stuff is that it used to work for some random time before. |
| 22:35.47 | Deformative | Then use the syscalls directly? |
| 22:35.49 | Deformative | I dunno. |
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| 22:52.24 | Deformative | Why is the sb-menu step not included in the maemo 2.2 tutorial? |
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| 23:05.13 | bedboi | Then I had to port it again to Scratchbox X86. A whole set of new problems; |
| 23:05.13 | bedboi | different levels of libraries, pthreads just didn't work so I had to make my |
| 23:05.13 | bedboi | webserver single-threaded, and several build scripts had to be rewritten |
| 23:05.15 | bedboi | LOL |
| 23:08.09 | Deformative | Does anyone know what the 770's processors excel most at? |
| 23:08.46 | bedboi | nope |
| 23:08.47 | bedboi | sleeping? |
| 23:08.55 | bedboi | exiting without reason? |
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| 23:18.43 | bedboi | i've sent a mail to the dev mailing list |
| 23:21.01 | bearclaw_ | woot |
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| 23:21.16 | bedboi | bearclaw_: what's up? |
| 23:21.16 | bearclaw_ | I just started the Qt example 'puzzle' on the 770 |
| 23:21.24 | bedboi | ye? |
| 23:21.26 | bedboi | does it work? |
| 23:21.36 | bearclaw_ | yes, but no image :) |
| 23:21.40 | bedboi | eheh |
| 23:21.41 | bearclaw_ | I forgot to copy it |
| 23:21.49 | bedboi | ah ok. so qt is working on that |
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| 23:22.19 | bearclaw_ | it seems so |
| 23:28.05 | bearclaw_ | yup, at least jpg display, and drag and drop are working |
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| 23:33.09 | bearclaw_ | is there a way to make the virtual keyboard appear? |
| 23:33.28 | nelson_ | tap in any input box. |
| 23:33.38 | Deformative | When configuring scratchbox do I use debian-etch lenny or sarge? |
| 23:34.06 | bearclaw_ | Deformative: I used the automatic script which worked fine |
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| 23:34.13 | bearclaw_ | nelson_: I'm using qt :) |
| 23:34.17 | Deformative | What script? |
| 23:34.20 | bearclaw_ | and its not working |
| 23:34.40 | bearclaw_ | maemo-scratchbox-install_3.1.sh |
| 23:34.52 | Deformative | I need 2.2 |
| 23:35.18 | bearclaw_ | there's likely one for 2.2 too |
| 23:35.34 | Deformative | URL? |
| 23:36.54 | bearclaw_ | hmm, no there isn't one for 2.2 sorry |
| 23:37.18 | bearclaw_ | well, qt works out of the box...as long as you don't need to enter text |
| 23:41.44 | Deformative | Hmm. |
| 23:41.49 | Deformative | This is hard to setup. |
| 23:41.50 | Deformative | :( |
| 23:46.31 | ffoegboy | has anybody tried the frogpad keyboard? http://www.frogpad.com/information/bluefroginfo.asp |
| 23:47.17 | Deformative | Ugh. |
| 23:47.25 | Deformative | RushPL, how did you get scratchbox working? |
| 23:47.34 | Deformative | Nothing in that tutorial is accurate. |
| 23:47.40 | RushPL | basically it was 'emerge scratchbox' |
| 23:47.53 | RushPL | but I didn't practically got it working, there were some issues |
| 23:48.01 | RushPL | I mean, after logging in |
| 23:48.11 | RushPL | I'll play with it later :) |
| 23:48.28 | Deformative | Hmm. |
| 23:48.38 | Deformative | How did you get the maemo sdk working? |
| 23:49.15 | RushPL | downloaded it, copied to the scratchbox root and ran some menuconfig app or smth like that |
| 23:49.19 | RushPL | menulist I think |
| 23:49.29 | RushPL | you then install it from there, selecting the sdk |
| 23:49.36 | Deformative | Hmm. |
| 23:49.42 | Deformative | This is really really irritating me. |
| 23:50.12 | Deformative | I want a script |
| 23:50.19 | RushPL | it wouldn't call it pure fun for me either :P |
| 23:51.23 | RushPL | oh crap, I accidentally downloaded something big to mmc1 instead of mmc2, everything hanged |
