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| 00:05.01 | skler` | hi |
| 00:05.02 | _Monkey | hola, skler` |
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| 00:15.13 | Deformative | How should I get scratchbox working? |
| 00:15.17 | Deformative | Install another OS? |
| 00:15.57 | celesteh | there's a vmware and qemu image floating around |
| 00:16.07 | Deformative | Really!? |
| 00:16.38 | celesteh | _monkey vmware? |
| 00:16.38 | _Monkey | vmware is a Maemo Development appliance for vmware/vmplayer - http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/702 |
| 00:16.52 | Deformative | _Monkey qemu |
| 00:16.52 | _Monkey | qemu is alpha for os x |
| 00:16.55 | Deformative | I like qemu etter |
| 00:18.10 | Deformative | Eh. |
| 00:18.15 | Deformative | I guess I will get vmware. |
| 00:18.20 | celesteh | both images are offered from the same website, so if you follow the vmware link, you should get to both |
| 00:19.05 | celesteh | vmware is not free. i have a 30 day evaluation and i don't think it's worth paying for. |
| 00:19.20 | Deformative | It is free. |
| 00:19.40 | Deformative | It is not free as in open source. |
| 00:19.41 | celesteh | the os x version is not, at least their website implies that it's not |
| 00:19.45 | Deformative | Oh. |
| 00:19.49 | Deformative | Well, I know the linux is. |
| 00:19.50 | pauliukas | VMWare Server and Player is free. |
| 00:19.54 | pauliukas | Everything else is paid. |
| 00:19.58 | Deformative | But it is free as in $0 |
| 00:20.01 | pauliukas | No. The Linux Workstation is over $100 |
| 00:20.07 | pauliukas | I'm talking free as in beer, not OSS |
| 00:20.08 | Deformative | I am talking about server |
| 00:20.33 | Deformative | Hmm, 770 doesn't come with maemopad |
| 00:21.32 | Deformative | I had a vmware key but I lost it. |
| 00:21.37 | Deformative | Now I need to get a new one. |
| 00:21.38 | Deformative | :( |
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| 00:22.25 | celesteh | time for bed for me |
| 00:24.22 | henno | Deformative: so I hazard a guess that an arch PKGBUILD for scratchbox will not be forthcoming :) |
| 00:24.44 | Deformative | Well, I made a pkgbuild, but it is only useful if you recompile the kernel. |
| 00:24.46 | Deformative | So... |
| 00:24.52 | Deformative | I hate compiling kernels. |
| 00:27.49 | henno | so did my note about disabling vdso via a =0 flag or whatever achieve nothing? |
| 00:27.56 | Deformative | Didn't work. |
| 00:28.11 | Deformative | And the vmware image has no seaders. |
| 00:28.12 | Deformative | Great. |
| 00:28.55 | henno | bummer and bummer |
| 00:29.20 | henno | they should rename it scrath-your-head-box |
| 00:29.27 | henno | s/scrath/scratch/ |
| 00:29.33 | [31d1] | i managed to get a severely broken scratchbox working nd i've been able to compile a few very simple things |
| 00:29.53 | Deformative | Hmm. |
| 00:30.01 | [31d1] | i just compiled nvi |
| 00:30.06 | Deformative | Maybe it is not working because I don't have port forwarding on. |
| 00:30.59 | henno | Deformative: http://madabar.com/techblog/2007/08/12/how-to-create-a-deb-package-for-maemo-without-scratchbox/ |
| 00:31.02 | henno | might be worth a look |
| 00:31.30 | Deformative | Could it be flashed without scratchbox? |
| 00:31.35 | Deformative | Either way. |
| 00:31.39 | Deformative | The image seems cool. |
| 00:31.42 | Deformative | It should have everything. |
| 00:32.51 | Deformative | Sweet. |
| 00:32.53 | Deformative | Downloading now. |
| 00:32.54 | henno | if scrathbox needs 512mb/ram etc, I hate to think what it needs running inside vmware however |
| 00:32.56 | Deformative | 6kb |
| 00:33.07 | [31d1] | im excited for rxvt |
| 00:33.16 | Deformative | :) |
| 00:33.49 | Deformative | I am considering making a full DE as well. |
| 00:34.01 | Deformative | But that is too far in the future to think about. |
| 00:34.43 | [31d1] | DE? |
| 00:34.46 | [31d1] | oh |
| 00:34.49 | [31d1] | IDE - I |
| 00:34.53 | Deformative | Desktop environment |
| 00:35.01 | [31d1] | ah |
| 00:35.03 | Deformative | Written in D. |
| 00:35.11 | Deformative | Maybe RushPL would want to help. |
| 00:35.18 | henno | Deformative: can you link me a torrent file? I might seed myself a copy just in case |
| 00:35.27 | [31d1] | it would be nice to have another window manager |
| 00:35.39 | Deformative | I am downloading the torrent on my laptop, not desktop. |
| 00:36.02 | Deformative | [31d1]: Yeah, I really like the design of the current one, but there are some minor things that can use work. |
| 00:36.03 | [31d1] | wmii would be awesome for a 770 imo - no idea how to go about porting shit like that though |
| 00:36.13 | Deformative | That would be very very easy. |
| 00:36.17 | Deformative | But at the same time useless. |
| 00:36.33 | [31d1] | you'd lose the keyboard and stuff right? |
| 00:36.52 | Deformative | [31d1]: well, depends. |
| 00:36.55 | Deformative | Prolly not. |
| 00:37.17 | Deformative | As long as all the apps still used GTK+ |
| 00:37.27 | [31d1] | hmm |
| 00:37.33 | Deformative | henno: I just followed the link posted here. |
| 00:37.47 | Deformative | henno: You were the one getting the bluetooth keyboard, right? |
| 00:38.09 | henno | right |
| 00:38.19 | Deformative | How is that working out? |
| 00:38.34 | [31d1] | why would wmii be useless then? |
| 00:38.59 | henno | Deformative: I won't have it for a week or two |
| 00:39.02 | [31d1] | besides if you just don't like wmii, which is understandeable |
| 00:39.14 | Deformative | [31d1]: because, everything would be small. |
| 00:39.14 | henno | 'tis on backorder at expansys |
| 00:39.32 | Deformative | wmii isn't designed for a very small screen |
| 00:39.43 | Deformative | Where the current ui makes everything fullsize |
| 00:40.04 | [31d1] | on full screen it would still be useable i'd think - you'd need to use stacking mode, and tiles would be a bit silly i bet |
| 00:40.17 | Deformative | Does vmware still require a serial? |
| 00:40.38 | Deformative | Oh |
| 00:40.40 | Deformative | Yeah it does. |
| 00:40.42 | Deformative | Just read it |
| 00:42.53 | [31d1] | hmm does that maemo3.0 image support 770? |
| 00:43.31 | Deformative | ... |
| 00:43.38 | Deformative | That is a maemo 3 image. |
| 00:43.48 | [31d1] | i thought 3.0 was 800 ... oh |
| 00:43.57 | Deformative | I think it is. |
| 00:44.02 | Deformative | I didn't know that image was for 3.0 |
| 00:44.41 | Deformative | Ugh. |
| 00:44.42 | Deformative | Damnit |
| 00:45.00 | [31d1] | i couldn't tell you really but half the pain of scratchbox was finding the right version and tutorial for that version, and even then the tutorial had stuff to do in it that the version had onsoleted |
| 00:46.07 | pupnik | heya |
| 00:46.20 | pupnik | i keep missing the chat where i can be of assistance |
| 00:47.19 | pupnik | lol @ scratch-your-head box |
| 00:47.28 | henno | :) |
| 00:48.41 | [31d1] | maybe that image and installing maemo 2 on it would be not that bad though |
| 00:49.05 | Deformative | That's true. |
| 00:49.05 | Deformative | Hmm. |
| 00:49.46 | [31d1] | afaik it's just another target you have to add |
| 00:52.35 | pupnik | yes you should be able to add a 2.2/gregale target |
| 00:52.59 | pupnik | afaik - i haven't added a bora target here yet |
| 00:53.58 | Deformative | So it would be easy to convert the 3.0 to 2.2? |
| 00:54.07 | [31d1] | you can add multiple targets, and you can switch between them |
| 00:54.14 | Deformative | Oh. |
| 00:54.16 | Deformative | Interesting. |
| 00:54.22 | Deformative | How do I add a target then? |
| 00:54.41 | [31d1] | theres some tool |
| 00:54.45 | [31d1] | sb-menu ? |
| 00:54.50 | [31d1] | its interactive |
| 00:55.35 | [31d1] | you need a 'rootstrap' and i dont know what else - i just followed some greek to me tutorial |
| 01:00.04 | Deformative | Can the vmware image ALSO flash my device? |
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| 01:01.45 | pupnik | you can flash the device from a regular linux machine |
| 01:01.58 | Deformative | Sure. |
| 01:02.05 | pupnik | scratchbox/vmware not necessary |
| 01:02.09 | Deformative | But I didn't remember if vmware had access to usb |
| 01:02.28 | pupnik | it does |
| 01:03.04 | pupnik | btw i don't think you need a key for the vmware player... iirc/afaik |
| 01:03.22 | Deformative | I downloaded the server\ |
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| 01:19.46 | erstazi | Deformative: yeah for the server, I think you do need a key, but for the free player, you don't |
| 01:19.58 | erstazi | Deformative: you can always try virtual box, its not half bad |
| 01:28.26 | Deformative | What is virtualbox? |
| 01:28.46 | pauliukas | it's a box, but it's virtual |
| 01:34.40 | pupnik | it's a newish open-source vmwareish thingy |
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| 01:52.08 | Deformative | Hmm, I am going to need to mod rxvt to use gtk |
| 01:52.16 | Deformative | That way it supports the keyboard |
| 01:52.25 | Deformative | Or I can find another terminal that already uses gtk |
| 02:04.44 | Deformative | I cannot tell. |
| 02:04.56 | Deformative | This xterm doesn't seem derived from the origional xterm |
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| 02:12.51 | pupnik | Deformative: what? |
| 02:13.11 | pupnik | osso xterm uses the hildon input method |
| 02:13.20 | Deformative | Yeah. |
| 02:13.32 | Deformative | And I would need to make the rxvt do the same. |
| 02:13.34 | Deformative | But. |
| 02:13.44 | Deformative | This xterm looks so different. |
| 02:14.01 | Deformative | Maybe I just need to read the source and see that it is indeed shitastically derived from xterm |
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| 03:13.39 | dhr | I'm reading https://maemo.org/community/wiki/codenames/ to understand codenames of Maemo versions. My 770 came with 3.2006.49-2. That would seem to be "Bora" but isn't listed as such on the page. Am I right? |
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| 03:30.31 | [31d1] | mistral i believe |
| 03:30.38 | [31d1] | cause of 2006 |
| 03:36.23 | dhr | Thanks [31d1]. Control panel: Device: About Product says: Internet Tablet OS 2006 edition, Version 3.2006.49-2. |
| 03:37.21 | dhr | 3.2006.49-2 seems (according to the codenames page) be Maemo 3.x, and that, in turn, seems to be Bora. I don't trust the page, but I don't have a better reference. Do you? |
| 03:38.21 | dhr | I'm a cautions newbie, trying to find what makes sense to jam on my 770. |
| 03:54.35 | [31d1] | 770 is maemo2.x i know that much. 3.x is OS2007 for 800 |
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| 04:45.46 | Vertoo | does anyone have a snes emulator for their n800? |
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| 05:48.47 | jen | does anyone know what the correct lines should be in my /etc/apt/sources.list for the catalog.tableteer.nokia.com stuff? |
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| 05:53.46 | jen | no one? |
| 05:53.47 | _Monkey | rumour has it no one is on skype now |
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| 06:57.59 | pbryan | Hmm. v=w2.999 no longer works. |
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| 07:34.12 | phasecactus | So would it be presumptuous to just barge into the channel and announce my question like I'm the center of the universe? |
| 07:37.02 | phasecactus | Tell me if I can make it better than that somehow, but basically I'm looking at an mce.ini that stops working any time I modify it at all. |
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| 08:39.30 | AD-N770 | good morning |
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| 09:29.37 | phasecactus | Does mce.ini need to remain the same size? |
| 09:30.06 | phasecactus | I just accomplished my first edit that took effect, out of something like 50 attempts. |
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| 09:32.26 | Tili | can we use Qt for GUI on N800 |
| 09:33.51 | jani | to some extend yes i guess. |
| 09:34.04 | RushPL | why not? |
| 09:34.16 | RushPL | people are running whole KDE |
| 09:35.05 | jani | is the vkb support ready yet for qt widgets? |
| 09:35.53 | RushPL | I'm still waiting for my Nokia, so I only know what people were talking here and what I've read. |
| 09:36.18 | RushPL | but probably you can use some custom vkb |
| 09:37.11 | RushPL | QT supports "uim" |
| 09:37.17 | RushPL | Universal Input Method |
| 09:38.46 | Tili | RushPL: issue could be memory. i am reading on forums and blogs |
| 09:39.16 | RushPL | Tili: you can create a swap file, but yes, memory can be quite a problem. |
| 09:39.38 | gla55_ | qt phone edition worked fine on 770 |
| 09:40.00 | RushPL | jani: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Kvkbd?content=56019 - I bet you could use that. |
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| 09:44.00 | pupnik | I can't wait to run Windows XP on the N800 |
| 09:45.18 | RushPL | pupnik: please kill me before you do that :) |
| 09:46.02 | suihkulokki | pupnik: you could try compiling qemu for the n800, and run XP in it.. |
| 09:46.11 | RushPL | fortunately N800 is still ARM, isn't it? |
| 09:46.23 | RushPL | or run XP over VNC |
| 09:47.21 | pupnik | Running KDE on it is just slightly less silly. :) |
| 09:47.49 | pupnik | But hey, whatever is fun for you. More power to ya |
| 09:48.18 | pupnik | suihkulokki: qemu won't run - forgot exactly where the problem is |
| 09:48.56 | suihkulokki | pupnik: it's just C code.. fix it =) |
| 09:50.37 | pupnik | i'm playing with dosbox atm |
| 09:52.25 | pupnik | trying to get 0.72 running faster than 0.65 |
| 09:54.04 | suihkulokki | someone recently moved a propiertary dos app from a aging 486 machine with linksys nslu-2 running dosbox |
| 09:54.16 | suihkulokki | I found that quite amazing |
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| 10:10.05 | lardman | more licence queries - can one make BSD-like licensed code into GPL code? |
| 10:12.44 | mgedmin | no, but you can combine BSD-licenced code and GPL-licenced code |
| 10:15.28 | lardman | But what happens if you modify BSD-licensed code but want your changes to be GPL? |
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| 10:16.19 | robtaylor | lardman: just go ahead and license your code as gpl |
| 10:16.40 | robtaylor | lardman: the aggregate code would act as though its gpl |
| 10:18.42 | lardman | robtaylor: Yes |
| 10:20.26 | Deformative | BSD rather than Linux would be interesting. |
| 10:20.33 | Deformative | Or solaris |
| 10:20.41 | Deformative | Solaris might be a bit large though. |
| 10:20.48 | Deformative | And I don't know if bsd supports jffs |
| 10:21.17 | lardman | Deformative: There is BSD for the Zaurus, you might look there |
| 10:21.39 | Deformative | There are more useful wastes of time though. |
| 10:22.23 | suihkulokki | embedded bsd, jay, more locked devices! |
| 10:23.11 | Deformative | I really like that nokia puts jffs on the 770 |
| 10:23.14 | Deformative | Well. |
| 10:23.23 | Deformative | I have to go now. |
| 10:23.28 | lardman | What else could they have used? |
| 10:23.33 | lle2 | yaffs |
| 10:24.09 | lardman | lle2: pros and cons of both? |
| 10:24.24 | lardman | ignore me, on the web page |
| 10:24.36 | lardman | oh no, broken link, question stands |
| 10:24.40 | Deformative | lardman: They could have been idiots and used fat32 |
| 10:24.42 | Deformative | >.> |
| 10:24.54 | Deformative | Like every other flash vender does. |
| 10:25.06 | lle2 | eh? |
| 10:25.11 | lardman | Deformative: but then you have hardware wear leveling |
| 10:25.42 | Deformative | Doubt it. |
| 10:25.46 | lle2 | fat is just fine for media files |
| 10:25.57 | Deformative | Yeah. |
| 10:26.32 | Deformative | Well, I need to go to school, I guess Imma get to work on rxvt when I get back. |
| 10:26.33 | Deformative | o/ |
| 10:26.50 | lle2 | and we could've lived with a readonly fs just fine |
| 10:27.07 | Deformative | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:27.22 | lardman | yaffs doesn't do compression, doesn't work well on NOR, but other than that is smaller (mem overhead) and faster |
| 10:27.31 | lle2 | but nooooo, we had to have rw |
| 10:28.56 | lle2 | even if nobody is able to upgrade the device without a full reflash |
| 10:29.18 | lle2 | such a waste |
| 10:29.22 | lardman | I think the plan is to allow incremental updates |
| 10:29.59 | lardman | plus if we didn't have rw, we'd need to go back to the original system of installing things in odd places |
| 10:30.04 | lle2 | i'll believe it when i see it |
| 10:30.42 | lle2 | why would that be? |
| 10:31.28 | lle2 | userdata in the fat, tmp as tmpfs |
| 10:31.29 | lardman | you wouldn't be able to install things to a ro filesystem |
| 10:32.53 | lle2 | big loss, just let people who want to do that install them to sd cards using whatever filesystem they please, mount it on top of the regular root if needed |
| 10:33.53 | lardman | Using something like unionfs? |
| 10:34.00 | lardman | Which was buggy, and may still be |
| 10:34.09 | lle2 | no, just plain regular mount |
| 10:34.24 | lle2 | that root would need to have the full system |
| 10:34.40 | lardman | in which case I can't install stuff to the standard directory - /usr/bin |
| 10:35.00 | inz | unionfs should work too, if the "real root" was ro |
| 10:35.01 | lle2 | why not? |
| 10:35.32 | lle2 | you would effectively boot from the sd |
| 10:35.48 | lardman | ah, I see what you mean, well why have the flash at all in that case? |
| 10:35.53 | lle2 | same cruft there as in the built-in flas |
| 10:35.54 | lardman | plus the cards are slow |
| 10:36.26 | lle2 | not that slow |
| 10:36.40 | lle2 | maybe by 50 percent or so |
| 10:36.55 | lardman | that's quite slow |
| 10:36.56 | lle2 | but that should only affect load times |
| 10:36.58 | suihkulokki | still faster than jffs2 =) |
| 10:37.09 | lardman | fair enough |
| 10:37.53 | suihkulokki | the bonus of having ro root is it so much harder for the user to brick it uninstallable |
| 10:38.17 | lle2 | that too |
| 10:38.34 | lardman | yes, but realistically it's not possible to brick the device anyway, even flashing it |
| 10:38.51 | lle2 | and the sd cards are getting faster all the time |
| 10:39.05 | Veggen | lardman: that's one of the good designs of the tablets, I'd say. |
| 10:39.10 | lardman | as long as users steer clear of a terminal, and sudo gainroot, then can't do much damage |
| 10:39.13 | lardman | Veggen: yes |
| 10:39.19 | lle2 | of the omaps to be precise |
| 10:39.47 | lardman | shame part of that design wasn't to release technical manuals too! |
| 10:40.07 | lle2 | but i think we're talking of different level of brickness |
| 10:40.31 | suihkulokki | brickness level =) |
| 10:41.05 | lardman | surely there is only one level, the level where it's only useful as a paperweight? |
| 10:41.12 | lle2 | soft, virtual and hard brickness |
| 10:41.22 | suihkulokki | currently the user can put something funny in ~/.profile and find out his/her device no longer boots |
| 10:41.23 | lardman | semi-baked brick? |
| 10:41.45 | suihkulokki | and the only recourse is to reflash firmware |
| 10:41.58 | lardman | ok, so it's a flaw |
| 10:42.11 | lle2 | hard means the rom code can't load anything over the serial and run it |
| 10:42.44 | lle2 | virtual means the bootloader starts but can't do shit |
| 10:43.08 | lle2 | soft is the normal case of reboot loops etc |
| 10:43.37 | lle2 | my definitions =) |
| 10:44.08 | lardman | Have a method of booting to a recovery console then, let that wipe the contents of ~/.profile etc. |
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| 10:47.10 | lardman | That's what the Zaurus cxxx(x) machines had |
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| 11:16.42 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 11:18.05 | lardman | morning Jaffa |
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| 11:21.19 | pupnik | did you ever find out whether you could get more DSP info if you signed a NDA lardman? |
| 11:22.00 | lardman | I'm not sure it was an NDA, it was more the cost involved |
| 11:22.14 | lardman | I think I emailed them back to ask, but no reply |
| 11:22.15 | pupnik | ok |
| 11:22.23 | lardman | In any case the DSP info is pretty good |
| 11:23.36 | pupnik | but integrating into gstreamer and outputting to the dac are still problems, no? |
| 11:24.48 | lardman | well no, I could sit down (and do some learning) and write a codec driver |
| 11:25.13 | lardman | but then I would need to re-compile the DSP kernel, which means I'd loose Nokia's bits & pieces |
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| 11:25.31 | lardman | so the existing dspsinks wouldn't work |
| 11:25.39 | lardman | plus it seems like a lot of work really |
| 11:25.43 | pupnik | ok |
| 11:26.16 | lardman | I understand that Nokia are thinking of moving towards stacking audio codecs anyway, so writing one that passes data back and forth to the ARM is not a bad thing |
| 11:26.52 | pupnik | stacking? |
| 11:27.04 | lardman | The one thing I would like, is to be able to access the BT hardware directly, but hopefully Nokia will sort that (it would be a kernel recompile again) |
| 11:27.07 | lardman | OpenMAX |
| 11:27.32 | lardman | so you could decode mp3 -> pcm -> sbc |
| 11:27.35 | lardman | that sort of thing |
| 11:27.37 | pupnik | ahh |
| 11:28.01 | lardman | rather than monolithic dspsinks that do everything and then output on the dsp-side |
| 11:28.08 | lardman | that's my understanding anwyay |
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| 11:31.25 | lardman | I've got a couple of compiler errors remaining on the dsp-side vorbis decoder, then I can try it and see if anything happens ;) |
| 11:31.55 | lardman | though I think I'll need to read the C54 to C55 migration docs as the asm was written for a C54 |
| 11:32.05 | lardman | equally it may not work at all |
| 11:32.09 | lardman | :) |
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| 12:46.56 | Argiris | Is maemo linux easy to create programmes? |
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| 12:49.14 | Argiris | is maemo extentionable?can I compile many programmes for maemo?Is maemo openSource? |
| 12:49.25 | red-zack | yes |
| 12:49.42 | Argiris | yes for all my questions? |
| 12:49.47 | colinl | yes :) |
| 12:50.20 | colinl | see http://maemo.org/ and https://garage.maemo.org/ for a start |
| 12:50.29 | bherrmann | will maemo ever run on non nokia hardware? |
| 12:51.13 | roope | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:51.39 | bherrmann | It can run in the scratchbox emulator... so I guess that's non nokia |
| 12:52.10 | dpb_ | scratchbox isn't an emulator |
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| 12:54.06 | bherrmann | oh, I thought the scratchbox enrionment included some way to pretty closely execute stuff intended to run on the ARM hardware |
| 12:54.09 | lle2 | dpb_, :) |
| 12:54.27 | bherrmann | so scratchbox is more of a toolchain then |
| 12:54.31 | lle2 | qemu would be the emulation part |
| 12:55.36 | lle2 | with sb1 it's all tangled into one giant thing |
| 12:55.40 | bherrmann | so can you run something completely opensource, like sardine, on a i386 box and have it behave as if it is running on Nokia hardware? |
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| 12:56.07 | red-zack | you guys count peas |
| 12:56.09 | bherrmann | and related, could somebody like Sharp suddenly show up with a box that runs Sardine? |
| 12:56.10 | red-zack | *es |
| 12:56.46 | lle2 | sure it is possible somebody clones everything |
| 12:56.56 | bherrmann | true |
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| 12:57.04 | lle2 | not very easy because it is such a mess |
| 12:57.11 | jani | isnt that allready happening with some nokia products ? |
| 12:57.39 | jani | pirate factories are making fakes of real nokia products. |
| 12:57.51 | jonek | is it correct that scratchbox delegates execution of an ARMEL binary completely to quemu? |
| 12:57.58 | lle2 | yeah, buut nokia is pretty good at hunting them down |
| 12:58.34 | lle2 | jonek, yes, either qemu or through sbrsh to the target hw itself |
| 12:58.58 | jonek | lle2: and if that app uses GUI and hardware keys? |
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| 12:59.22 | lle2 | jonek, it won't work too well |
| 12:59.29 | jonek | lle2: or audio |
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| 12:59.44 | Blacksitox | hi |
| 12:59.45 | jonek | lle2: what does that mean? |
| 13:01.11 | lle2 | jonek, it depends on too many things, sb just wants to run dumb configure tests that way, it's all these funny people who think it's an emulator who expect too much from it |
| 13:01.48 | lle2 | jonek, qemu system mode is much better at solving the emu problem |
| 13:02.23 | lle2 | jonek, i've been trying to get people understand this for years now |
| 13:02.44 | lle2 | no success in sight, i'm afraid |
| 13:02.58 | bherrmann | Is there anykind of thinking about how Maemo is going to cope with or learn from the iphone? |
| 13:03.06 | lle2 | yes |
| 13:03.06 | jonek | lle2: ok - should I run my audio+hardwarekeys+GUI app in the PC target (implies I compiled it under that target before) and hope my linux box plays audio, my xephyr shows the GUI and xephyr serves hardware keys then? |
| 13:04.49 | lle2 | jonek, hmm, dunno. i would do the development on x86 with no scratchbox, just set LD_LIBRARY_PATH correctly etc |
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| 13:06.16 | lle2 | jonek, then when it kinda works, cross compile it for maemo. but i'm not an app developer, i don't know why they do their things the way they do |
| 13:06.39 | lle2 | to me it all looks highly painful |
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| 13:08.57 | lardman | I never compile for x86, just compile for arm and try it on the device |
| 13:11.10 | lle2 | that's what i do as well, try to setup debugging on the real hw so easy that it's no issue |
| 13:11.55 | jonek | :-) it seems I've done all my development in scratchbox right only by accident then - seems I havent understood scratchOmagic correctly |
| 13:13.07 | lle2 | it always helps to be lucky |
| 13:13.41 | lle2 | if i'd have any say we would only hire very lucky people |
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| 13:14.29 | jonek | :-D |
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| 13:15.51 | lle2 | it would be easy to test too, just flip a coin a five times and those who guess right are in |
| 13:18.12 | celesteh | ah, but it would be REALLY unlucky to guess right by a total fluke |
| 13:18.23 | celesteh | as in, a break with normal luck |
| 13:18.50 | celesteh | i have exceptionally good luck, but not at all with computers. some laser printers don't work if i stand too close to them |
| 13:19.16 | lle2 | seems to be quite common |
| 13:19.57 | lle2 | i think laser printers don't operate when under pressure to perform |
| 13:20.34 | celesteh | heh. a friend and i spent all day trying to fix a printer at a non-profit. finally we got it to work, but only when i left the offices |
| 13:21.10 | jonek | I think maemo/scratchbox/PC target is there only for developers to not have to bother with wrong versions of libs but instead have exactly the same environment like in the ARMEL target. Isn't that an emulator then (when running in xephyr)? |
| 13:21.41 | lle2 | kind of yes |
| 13:22.42 | lardman | I guess if you're developing a GUI app then being able to run and see if on your PC is easier than copying across, etc. |
| 13:22.52 | lardman | s/if/it |
| 13:22.52 | lle2 | just because something's there doesn't make it good though |
| 13:23.23 | jonek | ok => PC target for emulation, ARMEL target just for cross compilation |
| 13:23.23 | lle2 | there's no reason that couln't be done without sbox |
| 13:24.03 | jonek | lardman: yep, it should give a speed up - I think that's what emulators a for in your development toolchain |
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| 13:25.22 | lle2 | the problem with using sb as an emulator is that your emu environment is polluted with all the sbox tools in the path |
| 13:26.17 | lle2 | it's really very bad for purity, just witness what it has done to all the rootstraps |
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| 13:27.54 | jonek | lle2: for me it has been easy enough with sbox and maemo rootstraps to do development right - I only stumbled over harddisk space once (my root partition was missing 1,5GB of space) |
| 13:28.17 | jonek | ;-) |
| 13:28.49 | lle2 | good for you ;) |
| 13:28.55 | jonek | I think it's a tradeoff between easyness and disc space :) |
| 13:30.02 | Vertoo | does anyone have a snes emulator for their n800? |
| 13:30.25 | lle2 | sb2 is easier and infinitely smaller, just too bad maemo is too broken due to sb1's influence at the moment |
| 13:30.40 | RushPL | Vertoo: look for Snes9x |
| 13:30.48 | Vertoo | thx |
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| 13:31.01 | RushPL | Vertoo: and ask pupnik_ if you want to get involved into something faster. He's working on something much better. |
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| 13:36.59 | Jaffa | lle2: how practical is SB2 for Maemo dev? Anyone actually using it (I know you say you're not an app author). Similarly, AIUI, SB2 will make it easier for me on X86_64 |
| 13:38.28 | lle2 | jaffa, not very practical until there's a rootstrap with working dpkg and apt |
| 13:39.16 | lle2 | any decade now |
| 13:39.18 | suihkulokki | ..aka if the libraries on the rootstrap are enough for our development purposes, SB2 works for maemo development |
| 13:41.05 | lle2 | yeah |
| 13:41.20 | lle2 | many things build just fine |
| 13:41.43 | lardman | Jaffa: What's the problem with x86_64? |
| 13:42.33 | zakx | SB1 refuses to work on x86_64 |
| 13:42.40 | lle2 | but since all users first want to do apt-get install this-and-that, it's not useful for them |
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| 13:42.42 | Blacksitox | Como se llama lo que cubre la pantalla del n800 ? |
| 13:43.03 | Blacksitox | ese pequeño plástico, para que no se raye la pantalla, hay para comprar eso verdad ? |
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| 13:43.20 | lardman | zakx: If you don't have any 32bit libs you mean? |
| 13:43.26 | zakx | lardman: yep |
| 13:43.45 | zakx | but IIRC, even with the libs it just won't work |
| 13:43.47 | lardman | zakx: Then again lots of things refuse to work without the 32bit libs, which is why I have them |
| 13:43.55 | lardman | no, it does work |
| 13:44.04 | lardman | I've not had any problems anyway |
| 13:44.32 | lle2 | sb1 works on amd64, u just have to force the install of the debs or use the tarballs |
| 13:44.51 | lardman | yes I had to force the install on my Core2 duo |
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| 13:55.10 | Suvarov[work] | I am trying to install libxml v2.6.16 into my Scratchbox environment so I can compile my application to work on a stock Nokia 800; I have tried to pin the package in my /etc/apt/preferences, but I can't find a repository with the package. Can anyone help me? |
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| 14:05.37 | lardman | Anyone know of a list of "I can't work out why my compiler is producing an error, try this" answers? |
| 14:06.33 | lardman | as in a list of common mistakes that produce a compiler error that isn't easy to track down |
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| 14:14.22 | cypherbios | rproenca: |
| 14:14.24 | lardman | see you later chaps |
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| 14:25.15 | bherrmann | what is the ".launch" files |
| 14:25.28 | bherrmann | is there docs on what they are and how to create them? |
| 14:26.04 | bherrmann | I presume it is used to describe an otherwise command line like process to the menuing system |
| 14:26.18 | bherrmann | like provide an icon and stuff |
| 14:27.22 | pupnik_ | bherrmann: see the porting guides |
| 14:27.32 | pupnik_ | they describe how to create menu items, icons |
| 14:27.41 | pupnik_ | porting+maemo |
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| 14:29.45 | pupnik | Hey linux! It's 2007. You might want to look into how to make a clipboard that works. |
| 14:30.13 | pupnik | that was not meant seriously |
| 14:38.04 | pupnik | specific apps really - vnc, firefox |
| 14:38.06 | pupnik | bbl |
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| 14:42.53 | Suvarov[work] | A note to anyone who noticed my previous post, but didn't know the answer: "apt-get upgrade" will *never* remove dependencies; therefore, if you pin a package to an older version you *must* "apt-get install <package>" if there are any dependencies on the current version of the package. |
| 14:48.14 | RushPL | GOT my Nokia 770! Truly awesome! |
| 14:48.41 | RushPL | I instantly was able to hook up to the net through my phone, but unfortunately it didn't detect my wifi. |
| 14:48.51 | RushPL | Are there any special requirements for wifi? |
| 14:49.12 | pupnik | You supressing essid? |
| 14:49.23 | RushPL | nope |
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| 14:49.29 | pupnik | or bssid whatever |
| 14:49.38 | RushPL | and I see all networks besides mine! |
| 14:49.45 | pupnik | hehe |
| 14:49.56 | TPC | hello |
| 14:51.17 | RushPL | pupnik: but you haven't told me that Nokia was so awesome ^^ And the default DE is not bad at all, at least at first glance. |
| 14:51.38 | pupnik | :) |
| 14:52.21 | pupnik | it does rule space and time |
| 14:52.48 | TPC | I just bought a N800 of an internet shop, should have it tomorrow :) |
| 14:53.24 | TPC | any fun/interesting uses for it you can recommend to a long-time linux geek? |
| 14:54.00 | pupnik | kismet, irc, torrents, emulators, games |
| 14:54.51 | pupnik | mplayer and if you like rich feature media players - canola, kagu, ukmp |
| 14:55.30 | RushPL | pupnik: can I manually set up ap properties somewhere? (with GUI) |
| 14:55.52 | TPC | can you get sshfs or similar to work, so I can play media easily without having to copy it to the device? |
| 14:55.54 | RushPL | I wonder, maybe it will work if I just pop the right data in. |
| 14:56.17 | TPC | is there a good e-book reader? |
| 14:56.26 | TPC | can you get perl running on it? |
| 14:56.27 | pupnik | you can run sshfs, smb and nfs |
| 14:57.22 | TPC | ok |
| 14:57.31 | TPC | I guess nfs would be a bit ligher on cpu usage |
| 14:58.38 | unique311 | was a deb every release for wxpython? |
| 14:59.00 | unique311 | see a couple of hits for it on google for maemo |
| 14:59.07 | unique311 | but no debs |
| 14:59.53 | unique311 | i want to compile this app http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=132284 for maemo, and the only dependencie i'm missing is wxpython |
| 15:00.58 | pupnik | so does the dependency compile |
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| 15:01.00 | pupnik | ? |
| 15:04.52 | unique311 | no |
| 15:05.15 | unique311 | i tried compiling wxpython with the instructions i found online for maemo |
| 15:05.25 | unique311 | but is failing. |
| 15:05.47 | bherrmann | humm. On 2007 HE the osso-statusbar-cpu application doesnt seem to run. Does anyone else have this issue? |
| 15:06.05 | RushPL | I need advice on wifi, should I use some specific channel/encyption for 770 to detect it? |
| 15:06.38 | unique311 | tunapie should be a nice little app to run. |
| 15:06.40 | bherrmann | pupnik, porting guides - thanks |
| 15:07.36 | RushPL | I'm now trying to manually set up my AP |
| 15:07.59 | unique311 | http://n770.herraiz.org/archives/17 <--- has wxpython working, but where is the deb, |
| 15:08.10 | unique311 | or the working source file. |
| 15:09.14 | jonek | my N800 has lost its ability to read my 2GB rs-mmc card which was working before. how can I track down where the problem is? the mmc is working in my cardreader on the linux box |
| 15:09.35 | RushPL | hm, seems like Nokia supports up to WPA with EAP. |
| 15:09.49 | unique311 | wpa2 also RushPL |
| 15:12.07 | bherrmann | I think the xmame stuff is cool.... the coin-op arcade version of pacman running on the 770 is wack |
| 15:13.40 | pupnik | yeah, and we can also try getting a faster xmame ported |
| 15:14.21 | Ginmanx | the nes emulator would be nice if it were a bit different |
| 15:14.29 | pupnik | faster and better sound too |
| 15:14.34 | pupnik | how different? |
| 15:14.45 | RushPL | I added manually my connection and while it is visible in the edit connections page, it is not visible at the page where I can connect. What would be the reason? |
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| 15:14.56 | Nermal | lo lo :) |
| 15:15.00 | Ginmanx | you should just be able to change the screen to vertical so you can use the buttons instead of the on screen ones |
| 15:15.51 | pupnik | only button you can use in an app is the esc (circle arrow) |
| 15:16.17 | pupnik | greets Nermal |
| 15:16.28 | Nermal | got my n800 :) |
| 15:16.51 | pupnik | RushPL: sorry no ideas here |
| 15:16.57 | Nermal | http://nermal.org/images/comi-n800.png |
| 15:17.25 | Ginmanx | oh damn, it cant be changed so you can use the side buttons? thats kinda lame |
| 15:17.40 | pupnik | the buttons on the top could be used |
| 15:17.57 | Ginmanx | hmm, that might not be so bad |
| 15:18.27 | pupnik | but you can't press one of them while you have the dpad pressed |
| 15:18.42 | Ginmanx | awww |
| 15:18.52 | Ginmanx | i guess there really isnt a good solution then |
| 15:20.03 | pupnik | http://pupnik.de/Nokia970sm4.png this would be what you want |
| 15:20.49 | TPC | Nermal, monkey island on the N800? |
| 15:20.57 | TPC | ohh, that alone makes the purchase worth it |
| 15:22.21 | pupnik | see Nokia? people like to play games on their portable devices! |
| 15:22.46 | pupnik | don't matter that you call it an 'Internet Tablet' |
| 15:22.56 | Ginmanx | hahaha yeah, i've always wondered why there werent buttons on that side |
| 15:23.07 | Ginmanx | since my other thumb is always right there |
| 15:24.15 | suihkulokki | pupnik: please send that question to maemo-devel.. nobody will see that line on irc |
| 15:24.46 | pupnik | the devel guys know i am working on games |
| 15:26.16 | pupnik | well. not right now. |
| 15:27.04 | TPC | games aren't that important |
| 15:27.21 | suihkulokki | pupnik: but I short specific mail about the biggest griefs for game developers (lack of buttons, pad) would be usefull to point people to |
| 15:27.30 | TPC | they can be a fun distraction, but no one is buying a device like that because of the games, thats what a DS is for |
| 15:27.34 | Nermal | TPC: aye - I was expecting 1 and 2 to work but not 3 - amazing :) |
| 15:28.02 | pupnik | it's been discussed on the ITT forums suihkulokki - hardware gripes don't belong on maemo-developers |
| 15:28.59 | Nermal | dissapointed skype doesn't support the camera though |
| 15:29.04 | Nermal | which muppet thought of that :| |
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| 15:29.22 | pupnik | skype |
| 15:30.18 | TPC | I'm getting an N800 as a replacement for my palm, which I used as an e-book reader, for quick note taking, and a music/movie player, and occacionally as a larger screen for my digital camera |
| 15:30.41 | TPC | the N800 should be able to handle all of those nicely, I'm especially excited about the high resolution screen |
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| 15:31.00 | pupnik | i haven't taken my laptop on the go since getting the 770 |
| 15:31.05 | TPC | and the fact that its linux based, so I can play around with my own scripts and things on it when I'm bored |
| 15:31.11 | TPC | the internet part isn't that important |
| 15:31.24 | Vertoo | anyone got a good maemo port of a snes/gba emulator? |
| 15:31.34 | TPC | altought school campus has free wifi, so I will probably use it occacionally |
| 15:31.46 | pupnik | Vertoo: not yet |
| 15:33.02 | TPC | by the way, what architecture is the N800? ARM? |
| 15:33.06 | Nermal | aye |
| 15:33.12 | Nermal | AFAIK |
| 15:33.25 | Nermal | not sure which endian it is though |
| 15:33.35 | Nermal | so not sure if standard debian arm packages will work on it |
| 15:33.36 | unique311 | very small |
| 15:33.45 | lardman|gone | little endian |
| 15:33.57 | Nermal | ah |
| 15:34.01 | Nermal | bless it :) |
| 15:35.34 | TPC | according to wikipedia it uses ARM11 which is based on ARM v6 |
| 15:35.50 | TPC | my old pda used a ARM v5 chip, with the same clock frequency as the N800 |
| 15:35.55 | TPC | will be interesting to see the difference |
| 15:35.58 | bherrmann | Is there a book for nokia 770/800 developers ? or is the wiki/web the only source of info? |
| 15:36.38 | ||cw | bherrmann: I think it changes too frequently, new features and such, for a book to be much use |
| 15:38.53 | bherrmann | I suppose so. I guess and pdf content could just be uploaded and printed via lulu.com |
| 15:44.04 | lardman | TPC: what was your old pda? |
| 15:45.45 | TPC | lardman, a palm zire 72 |
| 15:46.24 | lardman | there were some benchmark tests done a while back, and some more recently put up on a wiki - check out the openmoko mailing list |
| 15:46.34 | TPC | ok |
| 15:46.51 | lardman | not sure that was on there, but a variety of modern embedded processors and I added the omap data |
| 15:49.10 | lardman | TPC: http://hbmobile.org/wiki/index.php?title=Application_Processor_Benchmarks |
| 15:49.40 | lardman | yay, I can release the source for the vorbis dsp stuff |
| 15:50.19 | RushPL | pupnik: one advice, never set up your AP channel higher than 10, or else your Nokia won't detect it. |
| 15:50.59 | RushPL | Unprotected connection worked for me, WPA didn't .. still playing. |
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| 15:58.55 | RushPL | pupnik: yupi, thanks for giving me mental support. Somehow it works. |
| 16:00.47 | RushPL | now I need a bluetooth keyboard |
| 16:00.51 | RushPL | anything cheap? :P |
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| 16:09.44 | bherrmann | Does the 800 have usb? no right? |
| 16:10.00 | bherrmann | That is, it can't do master mode |
| 16:11.16 | `0660 | it can |
| 16:14.37 | inz | But it's really hard to get working ;) |
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| 16:19.58 | Veggen | inz: Has anyone actually got it working on n800 yet? Is it confirmed? |
| 16:20.24 | inz | Veggen, I think it is known that it's theoretically possible |
| 16:20.47 | Veggen | I could use it. |
| 16:21.14 | Veggen | but even more, I can't believe noone has made a bluetooth-accesible card-reader thing. |
| 16:27.24 | Veggen | but, home. |
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| 17:03.19 | RushPL | if I want terminal/ssh running really fast with a fresh Nokia, how would I do that? |
| 17:03.44 | RushPL | I found downloads on maemo.org, but bash is for example not for download |
| 17:06.47 | bherrmann | Dont you just add the extras repo |
| 17:06.52 | bherrmann | then add osso-xterm |
| 17:06.58 | bherrmann | then you get xterm |
| 17:07.18 | bherrmann | to get ssh, you need to either add dropbear or openssh |
| 17:07.37 | RushPL | please be more specific, I have nokia running for about an hour. |
| 17:08.05 | RushPL | should I find repo settings somewhere in config? or maybe I can add them via web browser? |
| 17:08.06 | tso | maemo.org/downloads |
| 17:08.26 | bherrmann | You might try looking into http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php for searching on specifics |
| 17:08.52 | RushPL | oh sorry, I haven't mentioned, I have 770. |
| 17:09.09 | tso | or http://maemo.org/community/wiki/applicationrepositories/ |
| 17:09.25 | bherrmann | yea, or http://maemo-hackers.org/repos/ |
| 17:09.36 | bherrmann | seems like their are lots of repositories |
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| 17:10.03 | tso | heh, one for every "app" out there, more or less it seems... |
| 17:10.12 | tso | still, interesting page :D |
| 17:10.29 | bherrmann | I have a 770 too, but I flashed the Hacker Edition 2007 on it, so usualy im installing n800 stuff |
| 17:10.52 | bherrmann | or atleast stuff named "bora" |
| 17:11.04 | RushPL | i'm gonna do that too, now I am doing testing :) |
| 17:12.28 | tso | i dont want to go HE unless i know its fully workable so to speak |
| 17:13.21 | bherrmann | Thats the same reason that I have tried Sardine |
| 17:14.02 | tso | heh, seafood isnt my thing ;) |
| 17:14.52 | bherrmann | I meant this Sardine, http://sardine.garage.maemo.org/, although I dont like sea food either |
| 17:15.28 | tso | sorry, my attempt at a joke |
| 17:15.45 | tso | oh man, what a logo :D |
| 17:15.56 | bherrmann | pretty fish |
| 17:17.42 | tso | hmm, a bit anoying that pidgin isnt updated yet. i keep getting that "new version" window every time i start it |
| 17:18.29 | tso | btw, anyone had any experience with the freedom universal bluetooth keyboard and the 770? |
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| 17:25.07 | bherrmann | fyi, on 2007 HE the osso-statusbar-cpu wasnt showing up until I went into the "control panel / Navigation / Status bar " and enabled it. |
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| 17:28.22 | Vertoo | anyone got a good snes/gba emulator for the n800? |
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| 17:41.00 | tso | i think there is a gba emulator available, dont know about snes |
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| 17:49.59 | Vertoo | you know the name? |
| 17:52.17 | tso | hmm, is it me or are some in the industry becoming more humble? |
| 17:52.23 | tso | http://jaaksi.blogspot.com/2007/09/some-lessons-learned-i-hope.html |
| 17:53.13 | lardman | Not sure it's a question of being humble or not, but nice to see that Nokia have listened to us and done something |
| 17:54.28 | tso | well, they seems to be more able (apt?) to say they where wrong or something like that |
| 17:55.58 | bherrmann | well, I think they need to focus like a laser on the iphone and continuting to do everything to build a software community |
| 17:56.35 | bherrmann | I think the HE 2007 is a good move for keeping the community in a happy place |
| 17:56.38 | tso | well if they fully opend the development, things would be really interesting ;) isnt part of the HE closed? |
| 17:57.09 | bherrmann | yea, they need to drop the closed stuff too... I should think should be obvious |
| 17:57.11 | lardman | I think they are heading the right way |
| 17:57.36 | bherrmann | Opera for example... not to pick on them, but they arent the way to harness the community |
| 17:57.37 | tso | heading yea, but long way to go for some |
| 17:58.04 | bherrmann | I'm interested in why the Agenda failed, wasnt it all opensource or was it a mix? |
| 17:58.22 | tso | hmm, opera is a nice and quick browser compared to gecko/mozilla on my 770. but i kinda miss the highlight on clicked links |
| 17:58.34 | tso | agenda? |
| 17:59.15 | lardman | microb works okay, and it would appear Opera is on the way out wrt the N800/770, so this is again a step in the right direction |
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| 18:00.05 | tso | yep it work ok, but seems to die a lot so far |
| 18:00.37 | lardman | yes, not perfect, but then Opera is still available if you really want it. They are going the right way |
| 18:00.40 | tso | also, it seems to take longer and longer to start as the page history builds up |
| 18:00.53 | lardman | bug report? |
| 18:01.14 | tso | allready filed. wanted me to time under different history sizes |
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| 18:01.29 | bherrmann | agenda ... http://agendawiki.com/ |
| 18:01.33 | tso | hell, i dont think its even noticable on a N800 |
| 18:04.57 | jufo | wondering what happened to webkit maemo port. latest news are atleast month old |
| 18:06.15 | tso | dont know, but the openmoko/gtk one seems to be doing full steam ahead |
| 18:07.03 | tso | hmm, thats most definetly the first time i hear about the VR3/agenda, and by the looks of the softfield page, its dead. irda or rs-232? come on! |
| 18:07.42 | bherrmann | yea... a 200Mhz ARM device running linux... crazy |
| 18:07.58 | bherrmann | with everything opensource... they were nuts |
| 18:08.32 | tso | really? |
| 18:09.07 | lardman | I wouldn't mind irda |
| 18:09.38 | bherrmann | http://alllinuxdevices.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2000-08-09-007-03-PS-LF-HH |
| 18:10.02 | bherrmann | back in 2000, usb and wi fi were a little less common |
| 18:10.38 | lardman | yeah, but irda stuff still exists, would be useful to have |
| 18:10.46 | tso | "A 33.6kb/s modem will be available" the memories! |
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| 18:11.23 | tso | i suspect that it died, not because of the all gpl software, but because of the lack of mindshare... |
| 18:12.38 | tso | http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS3014149484.html <- check out the part about marketing... |
| 18:16.18 | bherrmann | Yea, the iphone has some good marketing... and it's a slick product |
| 18:17.03 | bherrmann | It would be interesting if you could some how tell how much of the product is good "technically" and how much is just robust "marketing" |
| 18:17.04 | lardman | hmm, I can't really see why BSD-style licensed and then modified code can't be released as GPL |
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| 18:17.09 | lardman | any thoughts? |
| 18:17.21 | lardman | http://svn.xiph.org/branches/lowmem-branch/Tremor/COPYING for the license |
| 18:17.21 | tso | bingo, i guess thats why apple gets the press. they know how to play the media. jobs is one of those marketing savants imo |
| 18:17.43 | tso | oh crap, not that |
| 18:18.03 | lardman | tso: What my question? |
| 18:18.04 | tso | lets just say that theo is one of the people i want to attach to a russian rocket and aim for pluto |
| 18:19.55 | tso | btw, anyone seen jobs do a nextstation tv add? hell, i had to pinch myself for not going "hey thats kinda cool"... |
| 18:20.07 | RushPL | i installed dropbear but it didn't provide me with ssh command hm, I need only client. |
| 18:20.16 | RushPL | (for now) |
| 18:20.25 | tso | and all he was showing of was how attachments was shown in the mail app |
| 18:21.16 | tso | heh, allways fun to do replacement of core desktop parts while using it ;) |
| 18:22.28 | tso | let me see you do that, windows |
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| 19:05.08 | setyte | any good ftp for n800 |
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| 19:06.21 | nisse- | Hello |
| 19:06.21 | _Monkey | privet, nisse- |
| 19:06.45 | nisse- | I just installed scratchbox |
| 19:07.03 | nisse- | and I just installed maemo-sdk |
| 19:07.31 | nisse- | in other words I ran maemo-scratchbox-install_3.1.sh |
| 19:07.43 | nisse- | and maemo-sdk-install_3.1.sh |
| 19:08.35 | nisse- | When I log in to scratchbox and try to download nokia EUSA binaries apt-get fails |
| 19:09.36 | bherrmann | is the "Python for Maemo tutorial" available as pdf somewhere ? |
| 19:12.03 | setyte | ftp? |
| 19:12.23 | setyte | whats good ftp for n800 |
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| 19:16.21 | tso | maemoftp? |
| 19:16.22 | _Monkey | i heard maemoftp was not for n800 |
| 19:16.30 | tso | :P |
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| 19:21.32 | Nermal | lo lo |
| 19:21.56 | Nermal | trying to set a lock code for my n800 (newly flashed today). tried 12345 but that doesn't work :( |
| 19:21.59 | Nermal | any ideas ? |
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| 19:48.11 | lardman | kulve: Is this this too late in the evening for you? |
| 19:48.30 | lardman | kulve: You have any experience of struct packing on the dsp? |
| 19:49.08 | nisse- | Is it normal to have bunch of 'Failed to fetch'-nessages when I run apt-get update inside scratchbox |
| 19:49.27 | nisse- | ? |
| 19:49.52 | pupnik | nsswitch? |
| 19:49.53 | _Monkey | i heard nsswitch was http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=scratchbox+nsswitch+apt-get |
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| 19:56.53 | tso | playing around with claw mail here, and it seems to time out when trying to get my mail :( |
| 19:58.44 | nisse- | Is there any other good guides on the net for maemo developing other than the official? |
| 19:59.17 | pupnik | nisse-: did you see the nsswitch link? did that fix your apt-get problem? |
| 20:01.52 | nisse- | pupnik: Yes, but I did not konw that it was intended for me. |
| 20:01.57 | nisse- | But, thanks.. |
| 20:02.01 | nisse- | I'll check it out now. |
| 20:06.48 | erstazi | nisse-: you want to develop for maemo or port apps? |
| 20:07.10 | nisse- | erstazi: Develop maemo |
| 20:07.29 | nisse- | pupnik: It seems that it did fix the problem. |
| 20:07.37 | pupnik | :) |
| 20:08.09 | nisse- | pupnik: Thanks. |
| 20:08.16 | erstazi | nisse-: scratchbox is a great application to test your apps |
| 20:08.30 | erstazi | scratchbox? |
| 20:08.31 | _Monkey | scratchbox is, like, a cross-compilation toolkit for maemo application development. Homepage: http://www.scratchbox.org/ Maemo 3.x (bora/N800) tutorial: http://qurl.org/yN Maemo 2.2 (gregale/770) tutorial: http://qurl.org/zN A walkthrough for 3.x: http://qurl.org/0O Scratchbox Downloads: http://qurl.org/1O |
| 20:09.14 | sbz | with Xephyr to start a X server emulation of Maemo |
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| 20:11.42 | nisse- | I've allready got a working sb/Xephyr installation. |
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| 20:12.18 | nisse- | But thanks for advise |
| 20:12.32 | nisse- | So, I if it works on sb it works on maemo? |
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| 20:14.16 | erstazi | nisse-: if you have your setup correct, yes |
| 20:14.27 | erstazi | nisse-: have you ever used a debian-based distro? |
| 20:15.02 | erstazi | nisse-: I am assuming so, but anyhow, yes, I usually just scp over to the device |
| 20:15.06 | Nermal | any ideas re my unlock code problem ? |
| 20:15.10 | Nermal | trying to set a lock code for my n800 (newly flashed today). tried 12345 but that doesn't work :( |
| 20:15.26 | erstazi | oh I think the default for that is 123456 |
| 20:15.49 | pupnik | I never locked the device, becuase ... i don't leave it lying around! :) |
| 20:15.56 | erstazi | pupnik: heh |
| 20:16.04 | Nermal | I'm thinking if it gets nicked |
| 20:16.14 | pupnik | ah |
| 20:16.25 | erstazi | does 123456 work? |
| 20:16.40 | Nermal | erstazi: nope :( |
| 20:16.54 | Nermal | flashing a new image should reset any code that was on the device before yah ? |
| 20:17.00 | nisse- | erstazi: Yes I've used debian ... |
| 20:17.02 | Nermal | not sure if there was one - don't think there was |
| 20:17.08 | nisse- | erstazi: long time:D |
| 20:17.18 | erstazi | Nermal: there is, I am looking |
| 20:17.46 | Nermal | thankyou |
| 20:19.03 | erstazi | ok on OS2006 (you have OS2007) its 12345 |
| 20:19.09 | erstazi | let me check for OS2007 now |
| 20:19.16 | sbz | nisse-: read http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/3.1/INSTALL.txt , then http://repository.maemo.org/stable/bora/INSTALL.txt , prefer the installation script method |
| 20:19.43 | pupnik | i thought nisse- already had scratchbox set up? |
| 20:19.50 | nisse- | Yes, I have one. |
| 20:20.24 | erstazi | Nermal: "Everything not on the memory card will be gone and the device will behave as if just purchased with the single exception that any previously-set lock code will be kept and not reset to the factory-default of "12345" (even the code is not preserved on some images)." |
| 20:20.39 | erstazi | Nermal: thats if you flash it, which you said you have |
| 20:21.01 | Nermal | ugh - so the code stays ? |
| 20:21.06 | erstazi | yes |
| 20:21.10 | Nermal | bugger |
| 20:21.38 | erstazi | Nermal: *or* you can take it to an authorized Nokia support store and have the device unlock |
| 20:21.49 | erstazi | or just take out the battery and put the battery back in and turn it back on |
| 20:21.59 | erstazi | at least that worked for me on my Nokia 770 |
| 20:22.07 | Nermal | hmm |
| 20:22.13 | Nermal | will that lose any other info though ? |
| 20:22.42 | erstazi | Nermal: the first one will remove all info (except external drives) and the second will lose only data that you did not save |
| 20:23.02 | erstazi | like for say you have maemopad open and you didn't save what you typed/tapped |
| 20:23.34 | erstazi | I never taken it to an authorized nokia bla bla |
| 20:24.19 | Nermal | so removing the battery clears nothing but the code ? that seems a bit strange |
| 20:25.02 | erstazi | no no |
| 20:25.05 | erstazi | it doesn't reset the code |
| 20:25.14 | erstazi | but if you are stuck and cannot get out of the locked setting |
| 20:25.21 | erstazi | or maybe I was drunk that night |
| 20:25.26 | erstazi | ok, nevermind about the battery part |
| 20:25.31 | Nermal | ah - no it's unlocked - but I don't know the code |
| 20:25.35 | Nermal | sigh |
| 20:25.36 | erstazi | ah! |
| 20:25.37 | erstazi | ok |
| 20:25.43 | erstazi | 12345 is the default |
| 20:25.46 | Nermal | so I can't change it |
| 20:25.49 | Nermal | that's not workin |
| 20:25.51 | erstazi | Nermal: did you buy this off ebay or something? |
| 20:26.05 | Nermal | the perils of buying off ebay :D |
| 20:26.14 | erstazi | contact the buyer and ask them |
| 20:26.23 | erstazi | I mean not the buyer but seller |
| 20:26.24 | Nermal | I flashed the latest image today but as you said it seems the code remains |
| 20:26.38 | Nermal | any lockout for entering the code incorrectly a number of times? |
| 20:26.40 | nisse- | My first moments with maemo have been quite nice. |
| 20:26.45 | nisse- | Thank you guys. |
| 20:26.57 | erstazi | nisse-: no prob |
| 20:27.01 | erstazi | Nermal: I never experienced it |
| 20:27.07 | Nermal | ok |
| 20:27.09 | erstazi | but good luck guessing that many combinations! |
| 20:27.17 | Nermal | I'll wait for a response and hope he knows |
| 20:27.19 | kulve | lardman: yes, this usually is too late for me (but I read backlogs usually) |
| 20:27.21 | erstazi | I don't know the max allowed characters |
| 20:27.22 | Nermal | a simple perl script surely ;) |
| 20:27.22 | tso | perfect, i may have broken a file used to track the status of apt-get, and i cant do anything about it as i need to be root :( |
| 20:27.28 | Nermal | about 8 |
| 20:27.29 | kulve | lardman: and no, I don't have a clue about packing.. |
| 20:27.33 | tso | grr, i dont want to reflash it |
| 20:28.05 | erstazi | Nermal: 8 sounds about right, I haven't changed mine in ages |
| 20:29.45 | pupnik | tso - yes you can fix dpkg-status |
| 20:30.10 | tso | thats what i get for never using debian :P |
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| 20:30.36 | pupnik | /var/lib/dpkg/status and a backup is in status-old |
| 20:30.59 | tso | problem is that i do not have becomeroot or similar at hand. didnt install it :( |
| 20:31.29 | pupnik | can you ssh to the device? ssh root@127.0.0.1? |
| 20:31.33 | Nermal | raa |
| 20:31.38 | Nermal | maybe it's on another partition |
| 20:32.27 | tso | not a option either :( |
| 20:33.53 | Nermal | will changing the root / user password (because I'm installing sshd) affect anything ? (like gainroot etc) |
| 20:37.18 | tso | that is unless i can install one of those even if the status is broken :P |
| 20:38.16 | pupnik | Nermal: passwords should be set |
| 20:38.30 | pupnik | by you |
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| 20:44.59 | tso | hmm, sudo. can one run dpkg-status using sudo? |
| 20:47.50 | Sho_ | btw: anyone ever tried connecting an external hard drive to the n800 via the USB port? should work, right? |
| 20:48.03 | Sho_ | (provided the drive has its own battery power supply, etc) |
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| 20:49.35 | lardman | kulve: thanks |
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| 20:59.31 | lardman | Right, any thoughts on the cause of these compiler errors?: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/vorbisdec/new/DSP-side/compile_output.txt |
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| 21:04.55 | Nermal | hum |
| 21:05.10 | Nermal | pupnik: just says "the password for the user cannot be changed" |
| 21:05.16 | Nermal | doesn't sound like they want me to change it |
| 21:06.34 | Deformative | So. |
| 21:06.36 | Deformative | Allo allo |
| 21:11.34 | pupnik | Nermal: ok ... root is definitely changable. I'll ahve to check into the user pass again so i don't say the wrong thing |
| 21:11.37 | pupnik | hi |
| 21:12.47 | Deformative | Someone seed the vmware image please/ |
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| 21:14.34 | lardman | Is it possible to obtain a struct member's address like so?: &mystruct->somemember |
| 21:17.35 | Deformative | Someone seed the vmware image please? |
| 21:21.43 | pupnik | Well when you're working with a pointer to a struct, you have to use the -> operator to access any members of the referenced struct. |
| 21:21.58 | Deformative | In C. |
| 21:22.07 | lardman | I want the address of the member I'm accessing |
| 21:22.30 | lardman | I know one can use &struct + offsetof() |
| 21:22.44 | lardman | but was just wondering if the other way is possible |
| 21:22.51 | Deformative | SOMEONE PLEASE SEED! |
| 21:23.04 | lardman | Deformative: Perhaps no-one has it... |
| 21:23.29 | Deformative | I am going to say it anyway. |
| 21:23.36 | Deformative | Because I want to develop. |
| 21:24.02 | Deformative | Whee, someone showed up. |
| 21:24.06 | Nermal | hum |
| 21:24.13 | Nermal | would amsn compiled for maemo support the webcam |
| 21:24.22 | Nermal | I see a /dev/video0 device :) |
| 21:24.51 | lardman | there's some example code in the wiki to use the webcam |
| 21:25.02 | Nermal | ooh |
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| 21:59.28 | olejorgenb | Hi, anyone knows of a tablet pc specific channel? |
| 22:01.38 | olejorgenb | preferably a linux centric one |
| 22:02.08 | Deformative | Does maemo have a screenshot utility? |
| 22:03.49 | gomiam | How to NOT make a Powerpoint: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tGq3tH4qSw |
| 22:04.08 | gomiam | Deformative: there is a package that includes it |
| 22:04.14 | gomiam | let me check for a second... |
| 22:05.15 | gomiam | yes, there's "load-applet" |
| 22:05.25 | gomiam | an applet that includes the screenshot option |
| 22:05.41 | gomiam | let me see what the repository for it is. |
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| 22:07.02 | gomiam | ok, so you can go to http://repository.maemo.org mistral free or http://mg.pov.lt bora/user |
| 22:07.34 | gomiam | Deformative: do you have any of this repositories in your sources.list? Do you know how to add them? |
| 22:08.21 | Deformative | I just got this thing yesterday. |
| 22:08.26 | gomiam | oh, ok |
| 22:08.37 | Deformative | I haven't done anything except test the pdf viewer and play chess. |
| 22:08.38 | Deformative | :D |
| 22:08.41 | gomiam | :-D |
| 22:08.54 | Deformative | Oh, and I connected to my wifi and viewed my site too |
| 22:09.05 | gomiam | you need to add one of those repositories to be able to download it |
| 22:09.24 | gomiam | to do that you need to go in Red Pill Mode first |
| 22:09.38 | Deformative | What are the good apps to have, and what is the nokia 770 missing? I am a software dev. |
| 22:09.49 | gomiam | are you using 770 or 800? |
| 22:10.08 | Deformative | 770 |
| 22:10.11 | gomiam | ok |
| 22:10.28 | Deformative | "What are the good apps to have, and what is the nokia 770 missing? I am a software dev." |
| 22:10.44 | gomiam | compared to the N800, N770 has MMC cards instead of SD (and just one instead of two), it has no integrated webcam |
| 22:11.02 | Deformative | I am speaking software wise. |
| 22:11.05 | gomiam | oh |
| 22:11.15 | gomiam | let me think... |
| 22:12.07 | gomiam | not much: there are a few propietary code apps available on N800 that either aren't on N770 or have a newer version |
| 22:12.28 | Deformative | I plan to make a new terminal emulator as well as an IDE. |
| 22:12.29 | gomiam | oh, and official images of Nokia IT OS stop at 2006 on the N770 |
| 22:12.53 | gomiam | new terminal... what for? (besides "because I can/want/feel like it") |
| 22:13.08 | gomiam | there's already two (or perhaps three) xterm implementations available |
| 22:13.38 | olejorgenb | Deformative: I'm not sure about N770, but if it has touchscreen, I'd suggest xournal (should be in the repos I think) |
| 22:14.13 | Deformative | gomiam: xterm is horrible. |
| 22:14.16 | gomiam | olejorgenb: xournal is more note taking oriented |
| 22:14.29 | Deformative | On the other hand, I don't know if the maemo xterm is derived from the origional xterm. |
| 22:14.34 | gomiam | Deformative: if you say so. It's working great for me. |
| 22:14.36 | Deformative | If it is, then it sucks. |
| 22:14.57 | olejorgenb | gomiam: yeah, he asked what apps was good :) |
| 22:15.06 | Deformative | Memory usage for the original xterm is outrageous. |
| 22:15.38 | gomiam | s/and/an/ |
| 22:16.10 | gomiam | two processes, one weighing 328 and the other 8920 |
| 22:16.21 | gomiam | yeah, it might be a bit heavy |
| 22:16.42 | Deformative | I also plan to fix the default chatting app so that it includes AIM |
| 22:17.02 | gomiam | Deformative: you may want to try and install Gaim or Pidgin instead |
| 22:17.20 | gomiam | you get a lot more protocols for the same price |
| 22:17.36 | gomiam | and once you twiddle a bit the font sizes it's quite handy |
| 22:17.58 | Deformative | But more apps. |
| 22:18.03 | Deformative | I want to keep it minimal. |
| 22:18.31 | gomiam | ok, ok. Just trying to save your time ;-) |
| 22:18.42 | Deformative | Hmm. |
| 22:18.48 | Deformative | True. |
| 22:19.07 | Deformative | I am prolly going to end up hacking the hell out of this thing. |
| 22:19.32 | gomiam | and, actually, you can select which protocols you want available (so if you don't want Gadu-Gadu you just don't install the related package) |
| 22:20.49 | gomiam | while we are talking about it, I can't find an IDE package through apt-search |
| 22:21.22 | gomiam | it may be hidden, in a repository I don't have, or inexistent. |
| 22:22.14 | Deformative | Prolly inexistent. |
| 22:22.24 | Deformative | Most people develop on their scratchbox |
| 22:22.31 | gomiam | oh |
| 22:22.38 | gomiam | at least there is gazpacho :-) |
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| 22:22.49 | gomiam | but that's "just" a GUI builder |
| 22:23.04 | gomiam | I knew there was something, even if it is no complete IDE. |
| 22:23.13 | Nermal | hmmmm |
| 22:23.40 | Deformative | My ide will include a compiler, standard maemo libs, editor, build utility, etc etc |
| 22:24.40 | gomiam | well, gcc 4 is there, so are a lot of libs (in devel version), autoconf, automake, vi, nano... |
| 22:25.01 | gomiam | unless you want a windowed IDE, you have almost everything there at hand already. |
| 22:25.07 | Deformative | I am not talking about C. |
| 22:25.16 | Deformative | D |
| 22:25.30 | gomiam | mmm... I don't know if D is suported yet :-) |
| 22:25.44 | Deformative | I can make it work. |
| 22:25.51 | Deformative | But the nokia guys are already working on it. |
| 22:26.13 | Deformative | They are like the only major corporation with interest in D. |
| 22:26.17 | gomiam | :-) |
| 22:27.02 | Nermal | seems the lock code is part of the evil DSME stuff :| |
| 22:27.11 | Nermal | I wonder how much nokia would charge to get it reset |
| 22:27.25 | gomiam | ? |
| 22:27.31 | gomiam | what lock code, what DSME? |
| 22:27.36 | Nermal | for my n800 |
| 22:27.53 | Nermal | unless I can fake keyboard events to the change code ui |
| 22:27.56 | Nermal | and loop it |
| 22:29.28 | TPC | or just not use the lock function |
| 22:29.51 | Nermal | true |
| 22:31.43 | gomiam | oh, I see, the dsme process |
| 22:32.31 | pupnik | Where was the seller, Nermal? |
| 22:32.39 | pupnik | State? |
| 22:32.39 | Nermal | well |
| 22:32.42 | gomiam | heh, day in, day out, I get random ssh connection attempts. |
| 22:32.47 | Nermal | he said he was going to contact the guy he got it off |
| 22:32.55 | Nermal | I have a slut of an n800 it seems :| |
| 22:33.06 | pupnik | Sounds stolen. |
| 22:33.24 | Nermal | well I can see he bought it off another guy on ebay end of july |
| 22:33.31 | Nermal | so maybe he just didn't use it much |
| 22:33.36 | pupnik | Ah |
| 22:33.46 | Nermal | he's a lecturer at dundee university |
| 22:33.49 | robtaylor | Nermal: reflash? |
| 22:34.02 | Nermal | pupnik: nice guy - said he'd get back to me |
| 22:34.11 | Nermal | robtaylor: doesn't reset the code :| |
| 22:34.17 | Nermal | it's stored somewhere else :| |
| 22:34.51 | robtaylor | Nermal: ah, nor flash |
| 22:35.05 | robtaylor | Nermal: try a cold-flash? |
| 22:35.25 | robtaylor | oh, you can't do that without seria.. hmm |
| 22:35.55 | Nermal | hmm - which means soldering from what I've read |
| 22:36.02 | Nermal | I think I'll wait for the guy to get back to me :) |
| 22:36.21 | robtaylor | Nermal: well, or devising a very clever attachment |
| 22:36.25 | robtaylor | aye =) |
| 22:36.28 | Nermal | pupnik: I hope it's not stolen - that would suck |
| 22:36.46 | Nermal | there aren't that many of them around so hopefully it should be ok |
| 22:37.00 | Nermal | came with charger, sync lead and everything so should be ok |
| 22:37.52 | robtaylor | Nermal: maybe he sold it cos he couldn't remember the pin... |
| 22:38.02 | Nermal | nah - he never used it |
| 22:38.04 | robtaylor | >< |
| 22:38.12 | Nermal | so assumed it was 12345 |
| 22:41.03 | pupnik | Hmm, lbattraw had a great idea - a "phone home" applet that would ping a server or send an email when online periodically |
| 22:42.18 | pupnik | N800 gets stolen, wait a week, get the IP. Warrant, search and hopefully an arrest. |
| 22:43.43 | Nermal | yeah |
| 22:43.53 | pupnik | Nermal: so the device is locked when you boot it up? |
| 22:43.54 | Nermal | hmm.. I think mine is fine :P |
| 22:43.57 | Nermal | nope |
| 22:44.00 | pupnik | Sounds like it |
| 22:44.04 | Nermal | I just can't use the lock function |
| 22:44.13 | pupnik | Aahhh |
| 22:44.44 | pupnik | I misunderstood how that works. Then it's pretty understandable that previous owners wouldn't have run into that issue |
| 22:44.46 | Nermal | but as someone who walks a different route to work depending on where the pan and tilt CCTV cameras are pointing, I doubt I'll be leaving it around with any confidential info on it |
| 22:45.03 | pupnik | Heh :) |
| 22:45.55 | pupnik | "alguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=68927 |
| 22:45.58 | pupnik | sorry |
| 22:46.16 | pupnik | "Why are most greeting cards designed to kill a diabetic at 20 paces?" LOL |
| 22:47.16 | pupnik | I so have to get the new debugged freeSCI version finished so ppl can play Kings Quest and the seirra games :/ |
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| 22:55.46 | Nermal | pupnik: ah - you found my online presence ;) |
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| 23:02.07 | pupnik | yeah nice portapc mk3 case |
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| 23:06.43 | pupnik | greets unique311 |
| 23:07.57 | unique311 | hmmm |
| 23:08.12 | unique311 | do you have your client set to greet everyone pupnik? |
| 23:08.20 | pupnik | no |
| 23:08.26 | pupnik | i just always say hi to you :) |
| 23:08.30 | pupnik | well when i'm around |
| 23:08.35 | unique311 | ok |
| 23:08.52 | unique311 | thats cool of you. |
| 23:09.08 | unique311 | got wxpython installed |
| 23:09.10 | unique311 | huge |
| 23:09.21 | unique311 | now working on tunapie... |
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| 23:09.38 | pupnik | people making entertaining things for the nokias is a very small club, unique311 |
| 23:11.04 | unique311 | yeah, but seen the other day, some dude asked for something to be ported, and got a reply that stated, stop begging and compile it your danm self. |
| 23:11.09 | unique311 | which sucks. |
| 23:12.16 | unique311 | thank god i know a little about linux, to get apps i want to use going on my N800. |
| 23:13.34 | unique311 | but i did manage to compile the application for the guy, but it sucks, so i went on sourceforge and looked for alternatives. |
| 23:13.49 | unique311 | found tunapie, and been working on it. |
| 23:14.12 | grafster | Does anyone know what the default "user" password is on a N800 with the latest OS? |
| 23:14.46 | unique311 | no password for user |
| 23:14.56 | unique311 | root |
| 23:15.04 | unique311 | ? |
| 23:15.59 | pupnik | hmm |
| 23:16.53 | grafster | is it not possible to ssh into it as "user"? I just tried no password and that didn't work |
| 23:17.16 | pupnik | so tunapie is like streamtuner, but with video too? |
| 23:26.41 | Deformative | Hmm, the 770 needs erlang |
| 23:26.43 | Deformative | And some lisp |
| 23:26.51 | unique311 | pupnik: yes |
| 23:26.59 | unique311 | it works in scratchbox |
| 23:27.12 | unique311 | segfault. |
| 23:27.40 | unique311 | segfault is from trying to get listings |
| 23:27.53 | TPC | Deformative, who cares about erlang |
| 23:27.57 | TPC | now haskell would be nice |
| 23:27.57 | TPC | ;P |
| 23:28.09 | Deformative | Erlang is pretty great. |
| 23:28.14 | Deformative | I hated haskell when I tried it. |
| 23:28.35 | Deformative | I am trying to get the nokia guys to hand over the D compiler so that I don't have to do it myself. |
| 23:28.44 | Deformative | Not that it would be difficult or anything. |
| 23:33.48 | Deformative | So, is there any way to setup more protocols for the default instant messanger without flashing the device? |
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| 23:57.01 | Def | Ugh. |
| 23:57.15 | Def | Gaim is damn disgusting. |
| 23:57.22 | Def | The default messanger needs AIM support |
| 23:57.30 | Def | And IRC support |
| 23:58.30 | setite | yea |
