| 00:00.16 | erstazi | Deformati: what is your main distro that you use on a pc? |
| 00:00.17 | Deformati | Archlinux |
| 00:00.22 | henno | Deformati: http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=329290303&size=l |
| 00:01.03 | Deformati | Awesome. |
| 00:01.28 | erstazi | Deformati: well, scratchbox can be compiled from source |
| 00:01.39 | Deformati | Yeah. |
| 00:01.46 | erstazi | Deformati: and, the rootstraps and all that are easy to get |
| 00:01.48 | Deformati | I am going to try extracting the .deb first. |
| 00:02.15 | Deformati | Hmm, never heard of MichaelDominicK |
| 00:02.20 | erstazi | Deformati: that works |
| 00:02.59 | Deformati | Is there .rpms somewhere? |
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| 00:03.30 | erstazi | Deformati: I have seem them before but never used them |
| 00:03.43 | erstazi | Deformati: I only use scratchbox on debian |
| 00:04.58 | henno | I have a debian box in the US, I might just take the easy option and install it there rather than muck with arch at this stage |
| 00:06.22 | erstazi | henno: heh, thats because you use arch too huh |
| 00:06.56 | henno | yup |
| 00:18.25 | Deformati | Me too. |
| 00:18.30 | Deformati | Especially if gdc works. |
| 00:18.43 | Deformati | I wonder if nokia will provide a gdc .deb |
| 00:22.23 | erstazi | Deformati: don't think so |
| 00:22.36 | erstazi | Deformati: I highly doubt it, but the maemo community will (: |
| 00:23.13 | Deformati | The guy that got it working on the 770 works for nokia. |
| 00:23.27 | erstazi | Deformati: ah |
| 00:23.29 | Deformati | The maemo community doesn't seem to have done much thus far. |
| 00:23.36 | erstazi | Deformati: did he post a howto? |
| 00:23.41 | Deformati | No. |
| 00:23.44 | erstazi | Deformati: well, supply and demand |
| 00:24.34 | Deformati | http://www.digitalmars.com/d/archives/digitalmars/D/gdc_nokia_arm-_-gnueabi_46720.html |
| 00:24.45 | pupnik | man i've been totally unproductive for a month now |
| 00:26.18 | Deformati | After I receive my 770 I will email him and try to get some support. |
| 00:28.51 | RushPL | Deformati: since Anders got it working on ARM, should be no different on Nokia. |
| 00:29.34 | Deformati | He did? |
| 00:29.35 | Deformati | Oh. |
| 00:29.39 | Deformati | I haven't been reading. |
| 00:29.45 | Deformati | Did you get scratchbox working? |
| 00:29.52 | Deformati | I keep getting ld.so errors. |
| 00:30.55 | Deformati | RushPL: ? |
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| 00:35.31 | Deformati | RushPL: we should make an alternate package management system. |
| 00:35.39 | Deformati | Because I REALLY do not like apt. |
| 00:39.19 | henno | Deformati: now your talking crazy talk.. might as well make a whole other arm distro for the 770 while you are at it :) |
| 00:39.49 | Deformati | That's the idea. |
| 00:40.01 | Deformati | I am just thinking of more immediate needs. |
| 00:40.51 | Deformati | Slate project might be integrated. |
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| 00:43.34 | Deformati | The slate project will basically be an operating system minus kernel, like openstep, usable on several kernels, written entirely in D, direct syscalls interface. |
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| 00:47.04 | pupnik | I am going to write a new OS because i have issues with tar. |
| 00:47.25 | Deformati | ... |
| 00:47.28 | henno | :) |
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| 00:56.57 | Deformati | Hmm. |
| 00:57.03 | Deformati | Scratchbox still doesn't work. |
| 00:57.17 | Deformati | RushPL: did you ever get scratchbox working? |
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| 01:00.02 | bob__ | very very quiet. |
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| 01:02.25 | Deformati | Bleh. |
| 01:02.30 | Deformati | I cannot get scratchbox working |
| 01:02.50 | bob__ | i know nothing, but isnt there a vmware image somewhere? |
| 01:03.44 | Deformati | Oh, I need vdso, damn |
| 01:05.39 | henno | PKGBUILD, here we come... |
| 01:05.39 | henno | :] |
| 01:06.21 | Deformati | I have a simple pkgbuild for it,. |
| 01:06.35 | Deformati | But I need vdso in the kernel. |
| 01:12.59 | henno | Deformati: what does vdso achieve? |
| 01:13.19 | Deformati | Dunno, but the intarweb says that is the fix. |
| 01:14.40 | henno | Virtual Dynamically Shared Object |
| 01:15.23 | henno | so I assume it is a quasi-filesystem that is loaded into memory/kernel space/something |
| 01:17.31 | Deformati | Sure, but I don't wanna recompile the kernel. |
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| 01:19.18 | Deformati | Bleh. |
| 01:19.20 | Deformati | Damnit. |
| 01:19.30 | Deformati | This is ridiculous. |
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| 01:26.26 | pupnik | vdso? |
| 01:26.26 | _Monkey | somebody said vdso was http://www.scratchbox.org/wiki/HostDistributions |
| 01:26.40 | pupnik | actually i think that wiki is wrong |
| 01:26.59 | pupnik | nothing to see here... move along... |
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| 01:32.49 | henno | "At least Fedora core kernels seem to have this option on. It breaks Scratchbox. You cannot even install SB with this option on." |
| 01:32.59 | henno | ^^ vdso |
| 01:33.01 | henno | so I am lost |
| 01:33.09 | pauliukas | I'm trying to install Canola, and the install froze. What to do? |
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| 01:33.13 | pauliukas | Is it going to kill me 770? |
| 01:33.35 | henno | pauliukas: I had the same issue just last night |
| 01:33.42 | pauliukas | yeah? |
| 01:33.47 | pauliukas | And what's the fix? |
| 01:34.04 | henno | I left it, it crashed, I uninstalled it, it crashed. I rebooted, and everything has been ok since |
| 01:34.12 | henno | here's hoping |
| 01:34.13 | pauliukas | hah |
| 01:34.35 | henno | I have relegated canola to the dustbin of my life for now |
| 01:36.11 | Deformati | Well. |
| 01:36.19 | Deformati | I am going to have to compile a custom kernel. |
| 01:36.21 | Deformati | I hate that. |
| 01:36.22 | Deformati | So much. |
| 01:36.24 | pauliukas | k |
| 01:36.39 | Deformati | I haven't compiled a kernel in over a year. |
| 01:39.47 | RushPL | Deformati: you missed a lot, there were great new features. |
| 01:40.29 | Deformati | I don't care. |
| 01:40.39 | Deformati | It's plenty usable without. |
| 01:40.54 | Deformati | I like using the standard archlinux kernel. |
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| 02:09.59 | saaib | Is Perl included in th 2006 OS? if so , what version it is? |
| 02:21.32 | henno | I don't think it is, at least it does not appear to be on mine |
| 02:31.13 | bedboi | ot: anyone knows if it is possible to have a complete dependency graph in doxygen? |
| 02:31.24 | bedboi | i mean considering ALL the sources in a tree |
| 02:51.40 | Deformati | Ugh, damnit, I cannot find vdso in the kernel configuration. |
| 02:53.35 | henno | Deformati: tell me about it, the first thing I did was grep around my .config before I asked what the hell it was |
| 02:55.26 | Deformati | Hmm. |
| 02:55.29 | Deformati | This is stupid. |
| 02:55.43 | Deformati | I need to recompile my kernel for a development kit. |
| 02:58.24 | henno | so you have to disable the vdso? |
| 02:58.32 | Deformati | Enable |
| 02:59.14 | henno | are you sure? according to the wiki, it says you cannot even install SB with that option enabled in the kernel |
| 03:00.25 | henno | http://www.scratchbox.org/wiki/HostDistributions#head-182357e92799a6726a316007b64e1cd6453a4d88 |
| 03:00.34 | Deformati | http://lists.scratchbox.org/pipermail/scratchbox-users/2006-July/000596.html |
| 03:01.24 | Deformati | Interesting |
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| 03:04.27 | henno | what is interesting is the small number of references to enabling vdso in the kernel |
| 03:04.40 | henno | in fact, I cannot find one discussion about it |
| 03:04.57 | Deformati | Me either. |
| 03:05.06 | Deformati | Quite confusing. |
| 03:07.19 | henno | according to this book, it is enabled by default |
| 03:07.23 | henno | http://books.google.com/books?id=1rFLGKO0dywC&pg=PA94&dq=vdso&sig=lEvB3DtdAVUfixlgm7wSI7rSLaw#PPA94,M1 |
| 03:07.44 | Deformati | This is so confusing. |
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| 03:09.11 | henno | this looks promising |
| 03:09.11 | henno | http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_18#head-d436870fd6bb7290add540e62b52641196dbe179 |
| 03:09.25 | henno | "here is a new vdso=[0|1] boot option as well, and a runtime /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled sysctl switch, that allows the VDSO to be turned on/off" |
| 03:09.38 | henno | might not require a kernel reconfig |
| 03:17.02 | Deformati | Well, I am going to sleep now. |
| 03:17.06 | Deformati | Going to try again tomorrow. |
| 03:17.19 | Deformati | Should have my 770 by tomorrow hopefully. |
| 03:17.20 | Deformati | :) |
| 03:20.54 | saaib | Deformati, have you tried: echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/vdso |
| 03:20.54 | saaib | ? |
| 03:21.47 | Deformati | No such directory. |
| 03:22.36 | saaib | what distro are you using? |
| 03:22.43 | Deformati | arch |
| 03:23.46 | Deformati | Now, really sleep. |
| 03:23.47 | Deformati | Heh. |
| 03:23.50 | Deformati | Gnight. |
| 03:24.11 | saaib | Deformati, what about: sysctl -A | grep vdso |
| 03:24.12 | saaib | ? |
| 03:24.51 | saaib | n8 |
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| 03:37.45 | henno | saaib: I can confirm that on arch, sysctl -A | grep vdso returns "vm.vdso_enabled = 1" |
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| 03:53.00 | henno | sometimes tor just plain sucks |
| 03:53.16 | henno | s/tor/freenode/ |
| 03:53.31 | henno | what a lovely feature :) |
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| 07:53.45 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 08:10.06 | Jaffa | WTF's happened with all of handful's posts on planet? |
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| 08:35.52 | AD-N770 | good morning |
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| 09:48.39 | relay_human | Hello colleges |
| 09:48.52 | relay_human | can someone help me with some MMC boot problem |
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| 09:52.10 | relay_human | When I boot from MMC load my Desktop but with some very simple and gray theme and after 2-3 min reboots |
| 09:52.47 | relay_human | I make MMC boot before 2-3 mounts but now I can't and I use same how to |
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| 10:21.27 | lardman | morning |
| 10:21.28 | _Monkey | aloha |
| 10:21.40 | celesteh | greetings |
| 10:24.27 | lardman | derf: My apologies for besmirching the Tremor headers, was my #define, plus after switching away from lowmem-nobyte on the ARM side my code compiled pretty much straight away |
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| 10:36.31 | lardman | If code has a BSD-like licence, does that mean it can be released in binary form without source? |
| 10:37.20 | fatal- | yes, but the original bsd license requires mentioning the original authors here and there |
| 10:37.32 | fatal- | the later variants don't require that |
| 10:38.11 | lardman | okay, I need to work out if I can release some code |
| 10:38.15 | jani | thats what microsoft did =) |
| 10:39.08 | jani | some of the commandline tools network tools in atleast earlier windows versions where using bsd counterparts .. |
| 10:40.54 | lardman | odd licence, I suppose it means that code is quickly accepted and used though |
| 10:49.25 | Veggen | lardman: Different fiilosophies - BSD-license-people value getting the code used as much as possible, GPL-license-people value keeping the code free (including free from hijacking). |
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| 10:50.09 | lardman | Yep |
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| 10:50.33 | Veggen | The GPL-license-peoples fair is that someone (i.e. Microsoft) can take BSD code, make non-subtle changes, and releasing their own closed version, but because of their market position being able to be the de facto standard version. |
| 10:50.38 | lardman | I can understand that Xiph would want their code to be BSD-like so that people will actually go away and use it |
| 10:50.58 | lardman | Ah, I see what you mean |
| 10:51.03 | lardman | Oh well |
| 10:51.10 | Veggen | eh, s/fair/fear/ |
| 10:52.08 | gomiam | Veggen, it's not that they fear. It just happens it's been done once and again. |
| 10:52.16 | Veggen | well, sure. |
| 10:52.49 | Veggen | I'm pretty neutral when it comes to licenses. I'd guess it'd depend on the application in question. |
| 10:53.07 | gomiam | yeah, me too. I usually favor GPL, thought |
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| 10:53.44 | gomiam | I've seen first-hand what not understanding the community concept brings: "we'll make our version and sort our problems out" |
| 10:54.06 | gomiam | a fork isn't necessarilly bad, but it didn't make any sense |
| 10:54.46 | gomiam | "our competitor might take advantage of our code" |
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| 10:55.24 | gomiam | I don't remember if MPL requires you to share your modifications of the code with your clients/users/whatever |
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| 10:55.54 | derf | lardman: Glad to hear. |
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| 11:15.26 | lardman | Anyone from Nokia here? I do stand by my question, the other day, of why Carman is and has been the only featured Garage project displayed on the maemo.org page |
| 11:16.20 | lardman | shouldn't this rotate so that other projects get exposure? Or is it that to be rotated in there the other projects need something special (special little page/icon/etc.)? |
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| 11:24.25 | gla55_ | possibly they forgot to assign a guy to be responsible for changing that |
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| 11:26.21 | lardman | it's not all that important, would just be nice to have a change of scenery from time to time |
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| 11:27.56 | gomiam | real as life: http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=pQHX-SjgQvQ |
| 11:28.03 | gomiam | (the horrors of user support) |
| 11:28.25 | bherrmann | I might want to rebuild Xomap to allow a USB mouse to work with my 770. Anybody been there? |
| 11:31.20 | lardman | gomiam: nice :) |
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| 11:40.17 | lardman | bherrmann: As no-one else has answered, I'd grab the source package from the maemo repo, then extract it, patch whatever you need to (some configure option I imagine) then rebuild |
| 11:41.18 | bherrmann | yea, I think I'm heading that way |
| 11:41.30 | bherrmann | And I did have scratchbox set up once |
| 11:41.50 | bherrmann | but I'm a big removed from the day to day experince of grabbing the source and tweaking |
| 11:41.59 | bherrmann | but that looks like the path I will need to take. |
| 11:42.18 | bherrmann | Somebody else already got the bluetooth mouse working via some patches |
| 11:42.24 | bherrmann | so I have that as a guide. |
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| 11:43.12 | lardman_ | hmm |
| 11:43.15 | bherrmann | They had to tweak both the kernel and Xomap, http://thelemming.org.uk/maemo/btmice/maemo_mouse_readme.txt |
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| 11:43.36 | lardman_ | ask nicely? |
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| 11:44.19 | lardman|aarg | bloody remote desktop |
| 11:47.39 | lardman | bherrmann: Seems that the instructions are reasonable straight-forward in any case |
| 11:48.03 | lardman | though I'd try grabbing all of the packages from the maemo repo if possible, they may have been added since that doc was written |
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| 11:48.43 | bherrmann | true enough. |
| 11:51.03 | relay_human | can someone help me with some MMC boot problem |
| 11:51.25 | lardman | relay_human: ask and see what you get |
| 11:51.41 | relay_human | When I boot from MMC load my Desktop but with some very simple and gray theme and after 2-3 min reboots |
| 11:51.50 | relay_human | I make MMC boot before 2-3 mounts but now I can't and I use same how to |
| 11:51.57 | relay_human | i use GNU tar |
| 11:52.15 | relay_human | everything from Original MAEMO how to boot from MMC |
| 11:52.34 | lardman | can you use the device before it reboots? |
| 11:52.41 | lardman | or is it locked? |
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| 11:52.47 | lardman | locked-up |
| 11:53.58 | relay_human | yes |
| 11:54.04 | relay_human | but some programs Quit |
| 11:54.11 | relay_human | and the Theme is very simple |
| 11:54.26 | relay_human | it's not like shod be |
| 11:54.33 | relay_human | It is ugly |
| 11:54.36 | lardman | I was wondering if you have some corruption that has killed the files used by the themes |
| 11:54.49 | relay_human | I reflash it |
| 11:54.57 | relay_human | and make it from clean Os |
| 11:55.02 | lardman | curious that it takes so long before it decides to reboot though |
| 11:55.13 | lardman | I would, also run fsck on that mmc |
| 11:55.29 | relay_human | I format it before make anything |
| 11:57.35 | relay_human | who can make such problem |
| 11:57.45 | relay_human | can it comes from very big partition |
| 11:59.24 | relay_human | again |
| 11:59.29 | relay_human | ruh FS check but nothing |
| 12:00.00 | lardman | no idea |
| 12:00.00 | relay_human | When boot when see NOKIA logo down is's booting with blue ... |
| 12:00.11 | relay_human | when go in the middle MOUSE is coming |
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| 12:17.00 | relay_human | lardman |
| 12:17.03 | relay_human | I make it |
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| 12:30.20 | lardman | relay_human: Fixed? Good good |
| 12:30.37 | relay_human | Yes |
| 12:30.45 | relay_human | It comes from Partitions |
| 12:31.10 | relay_human | i don't know why but when resize it with 300MB for Fat 16 works |
| 12:31.34 | lardman | relay_human: If you're booting from something it ought to be ext2 |
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| 13:55.51 | bherrmann | Humm. The keyboard doesnt pop up on my HE 2007 anymore... why would that be? |
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| 13:57.27 | bherrmann | I did have a usb keyboard hooked up... but the keyboard doesn't show up even after it's disconnected, and I've rebooted it |
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| 14:19.59 | bherrmann | ok, wack... another reboot made it happy.... |
| 14:20.10 | fer__ | hello |
| 14:20.16 | fer__ | anyone here with Navicore? |
| 14:23.06 | bherrmann | sheesh, keyboard works, but now xterm doesnt start |
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| 14:46.40 | Vertoo | hey, can anyone give me a link to an emulater for old roms for my n800? something that can plat gba or snes would be nice |
| 14:48.45 | erstazi | Vertoo: a few people have NES emulators but I don't know where at |
| 14:49.00 | erstazi | s/NES/SNES/ |
| 14:49.35 | Vertoo | meh, at least i know one exists now. thanks, off to google |
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| 15:05.12 | bherrmann | I liked the xmame emulator, suprised that it worked so well... for pacman anyway |
| 15:05.46 | fer__ | there's even a PS1 and amiga emulator on the net !!! |
| 15:05.47 | fer__ | just proof of concept.. because they're slow.. |
| 15:05.49 | fer__ | 2fps or so.. |
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| 15:09.11 | twobithacker | the scummvm port works nicely, especially since they're all point and click games, no need to type or hit buttons |
| 15:09.46 | tru | cool, do you have a url to the scummvm port? |
| 15:10.41 | bherrmann | Which scummvm game is the best demo? |
| 15:11.33 | gla55_ | dunno.. day of the tentacle? |
| 15:15.11 | twobithacker | dott is the only one I've played so far |
| 15:15.25 | twobithacker | http://770.fs-security.com/scummvm/ |
| 15:15.44 | gla55_ | i played maniac mansion |
| 15:15.53 | gla55_ | which reminds me.. |
| 15:16.04 | gla55_ | does the maniac mansion inside dott work in scummvm? |
| 15:16.24 | twobithacker | it ought to, but I haven't tried it |
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| 15:19.31 | bherrmann | Humm. Why would xterm refuse to start I wonder... I guess I will have to just reflash... sheesh.... |
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| 15:30.52 | bherrmann | for HE 2007, does anybody have a happy "sources.list" or a script that they use "post flash" to apt-get a bunch of things (like xterm)? |
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| 15:32.31 | bherrmann | I guess there is a chicken and egg situation there, you can't run a script too easily until you have xterm already on the device |
| 15:33.54 | bherrmann | I wonder is there a "developer tools" bin file that already has most things a developer might want already installed? (ie. say python, xterm, application launcher, etc..) |
| 15:44.14 | konttori | Well, I think it's really not that much trouble to install them one by one |
| 15:44.30 | konttori | It might be cool to have a page that has .install links to them all. |
| 15:44.44 | konttori | then you could just click click click and you'd have all that done |
| 15:46.03 | `0660 | too many clicks! |
| 15:46.04 | `0660 | :) |
| 15:48.08 | bherrmann | Yea, I guess I can put osso-xterm on my external flash, then install that by hand, then run a script which updates sources.list, and then does apt-get to get the packages that I feel "I need" |
| 15:55.56 | bherrmann | Whats the deal with sardine is it being used? |
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| 16:02.03 | Blacksitox | hi :) |
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| 16:36.00 | saaib | morning all |
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| 16:43.19 | syraxxl | hi to all |
| 16:43.24 | syraxxl | i have problem with my n800 |
| 16:43.32 | sp3000 | I can't upgrade openssh-client/server :) |
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| 16:46.48 | syraxxl | i can't connet to internet /wifi an bt/ |
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| 17:05.56 | [31d1] | i can't believe no one compiled diff |
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| 17:18.04 | [31d1] | except me |
| 17:18.36 | syraxxl | how can i return n800 to factori settings RD wint winXP |
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| 17:32.23 | milhouse | syraxxl: reflash it |
| 17:32.39 | milhouse | using the Nokia update wizard |
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| 17:52.19 | Daniellion | hiya jnettlet |
| 17:52.31 | jnettlet | hey |
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| 18:02.55 | Daniellion | Im from cambridge |
| 18:03.05 | Daniellion | i see your MA inet hostmask |
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| 18:07.34 | syraxxl | it running |
| 18:07.41 | syraxxl | 10x |
| 18:07.46 | syraxxl | bye to all |
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| 18:13.17 | bherrmann | Where is libxau ? |
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| 18:13.58 | bherrmann | meaning, what package is libxau0 in, or where in the http://maemo-hackers.org/apt/pool/main/ tree is it |
| 18:14.11 | pupnik | repositories? |
| 18:14.12 | _Monkey | repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php |
| 18:14.16 | pupnik | search index |
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| 18:18.49 | bherrmann | Humm... the search engine says it is in the repository, but it doesnt show me where in the repo is the .dep that has it |
| 18:22.42 | pupnik | pool/maemo2.2/free/x/xau/libxau0_0.1-2osso1_armel.deb |
| 18:23.13 | bherrmann | thx ... yea I just googled it too... http://repository.maemo.org/pool/bora/free/binary/libxau0_0.1-2osso1_armel.deb |
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| 18:23.41 | pupnik | i used apt-cache show libxau0 |
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| 18:40.57 | Tu13es | where is the Documents folder and such? |
| 18:41.05 | Tu13es | like in the CLI |
| 18:41.58 | CardinalFang | ~/.documents or something like that? |
| 18:42.31 | Tu13es | that doesn't appear to show anything |
| 18:43.27 | Daniellion | hmm /home/user mabye |
| 18:43.35 | Daniellion | or /media/mmc2 |
| 18:44.09 | Tu13es | hmm |
| 18:44.19 | Tu13es | cant seem to find anything in any of those |
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| 18:44.35 | Daniellion | hmm |
| 18:44.46 | Daniellion | what are you looking for your personal documents folder? |
| 18:44.50 | Tu13es | im just trying to find, like, the directory structure thats in File Manager and stuff |
| 18:44.52 | Daniellion | or is it on the memory card |
| 18:44.53 | jufo | ~/MyDocs/.documents/ |
| 18:45.10 | dhdfoo | hey, I'm trying to install Sardine on my N800 and it's acting rather strangely |
| 18:45.14 | Tu13es | jufo is the winnar |
| 18:45.32 | Daniellion | hmm are you on a 800 or 770? |
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| 18:45.56 | Tu13es | n800 |
| 18:46.04 | Daniellion | mine i found under /home/user/MyDocs |
| 18:46.13 | Daniellion | im on a 770 thoguh |
| 18:46.42 | dhdfoo | I enabled RD mode and turned on the no-lifeguard-reset and it doesn't seem to want to boot fully |
| 18:47.23 | dhdfoo | it will show the "wrench" screen with the kernel version, sit there for a while, then show the "battery" icon forever, or it will boot to the home screen, then shut down randomly a minute later |
| 18:47.59 | dhdfoo | I haven't even gotten to the part about installing the boot selector and Sardine :( |
| 18:49.50 | dhdfoo | yeah, now it's rebooting endlessly |
| 18:50.15 | dhdfoo | I guess I have to reflash it or something |
| 18:51.10 | dhdfoo | is there a reset switch on the device somewhere or do I have to pull the battery? |
| 18:51.18 | Tu13es | how do I install a .deb file I have downloaded? |
| 18:51.27 | dhdfoo | dpkg -i foo.deb |
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| 18:51.42 | Tu13es | thanks |
| 18:51.47 | Tu13es | dhdfoo: just pull the battery |
| 18:51.56 | Tu13es | or hold the power switch a very long time maybe |
| 18:52.11 | Tu13es | if its just an app that's frozen up you can hold the esc/back button for a while to foce quit it or something |
| 18:52.25 | Tu13es | hmm: dpkg: error processing openvpn_2.0.2-2_arm.deb (--install): |
| 18:52.26 | Tu13es | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:52.35 | [31d1] | also you can click on the .deb in file manager and it will open in application installer |
| 18:52.54 | [31d1] | you got an 800 package and youre on a 770 i think |
| 18:53.01 | Tu13es | i'm on an n800 |
| 18:53.05 | Tu13es | but i suppose that could be the issue |
| 18:53.07 | dhdfoo | that is probably a package from debian-arm |
| 18:53.13 | dhdfoo | they are not compatible |
| 18:53.20 | dhdfoo | it needs to be _armel.deb |
| 18:53.31 | Tu13es | hm |
| 18:53.36 | Tu13es | I'm following this and it told me to do that http://maemo.org/community/wiki/installopenvpn |
| 18:55.09 | dhdfoo | #!@$ okay I guess I will just reflash the damn N800 |
| 18:55.22 | dhdfoo | I don't know what I did to it to make it go into endless reboot mode |
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| 18:56.49 | pupnik | red-pill mode is generally not a good thing |
| 18:57.23 | pupnik | if you are enabling red-pill mode to be able to install libraries from the application manager... you shouldn't be in red pill mode |
| 18:57.24 | Daniellion | i wish we could use the flasher util to back up not just restore |
| 18:57.36 | Daniellion | im sure nokia has a way to make the builds |
| 18:57.40 | pupnik | good point |
| 18:57.55 | pupnik | it is easy to back-up the system if you boot from mmc |
| 18:57.59 | Daniellion | that way we could back up all the system as a snapshot then restore it if we messed it up |
| 18:58.07 | pupnik | yes that is what i do |
| 18:58.12 | Daniellion | hmm |
| 18:58.12 | pupnik | make periodic system backups |
| 18:58.22 | Daniellion | but does it back up everything or just a file backup |
| 18:58.29 | pupnik | backs up the whole filesystem |
| 18:58.33 | Daniellion | i want all my added on programs and config fiels etc |
| 18:58.39 | pupnik | yes |
| 18:58.40 | Daniellion | hmm |
| 18:58.43 | Daniellion | ok how? |
| 18:58.48 | pupnik | multiboot? |
| 18:58.48 | _Monkey | hmmm... multiboot is "LILO supreme being - 5th element - protect *you*" http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_Partition_your_MMC_card |
| 18:58.49 | Daniellion | is there a tut on it? |
| 18:59.11 | dhdfoo | that page seems pretty good |
| 18:59.15 | pupnik | that's part of it - it needs the full tutorial |
| 18:59.37 | dhdfoo | this is a stupid question, but which flasher flag do I use to reflash the ITOS2007 image? |
| 18:59.48 | dhdfoo | I can't for the life of me find the upgrade instructions on the website |
| 19:00.14 | dhdfoo | I've done this before but can't remember what kind of image it is |
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| 19:07.29 | dhdfoo | what a pain in the ass, now I have to reinstall ssh and so on |
| 19:08.17 | erstazi | dhdfoo: the flasher should be on the nokia's website |
| 19:08.24 | dhdfoo | yeah I found it |
| 19:08.31 | dhdfoo | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux? |
| 19:08.35 | dhdfoo | that is the page I was looking for |
| 19:08.42 | Daniellion | yeah |
| 19:08.48 | Daniellion | thats why i wanted to back it up eheh |
| 19:10.26 | dhdfoo | hey, for ssh, is it recommended to use the openssh package, or dropbear? |
| 19:11.22 | dhdfoo | because the former requires red-pill mode |
| 19:11.25 | dhdfoo | which is irritating |
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| 19:13.09 | Deformative | RushPL! IT CAME!!! |
| 19:13.14 | dhdfoo | oh, my mistake, it's a "one click install" now, cool! |
| 19:14.05 | Tu13es | anyonw know why I'm getting "incompatible application package" on something that's built for an n800? |
| 19:14.14 | Deformative | Ugh. |
| 19:14.20 | Deformative | I think the screen might be damaged. |
| 19:15.03 | dhdfoo | I've had the touchscreen go wacky on me, and rebooting fixed it... |
| 19:20.27 | Deformative | Is the right side of the screen always slightly darker? |
| 19:20.36 | Deformative | And is the color white a bit grainy? |
| 19:20.44 | Deformative | I figure it is because it is a touchscreen. |
| 19:22.39 | bherrmann | dropbear or openssh, anybody have an opionion? |
| 19:26.49 | sbz | i use dropbear, it's really necessary |
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| 19:27.51 | sbz | openssh is to big for embbeded devince (just my opinion) and dropbear is done for that, so ... |
| 19:29.10 | cosmo | dropbear doesn't have sftp or x-forwarding afaik.. |
| 19:29.20 | [31d1] | i use openssh cause accept no substitutes |
| 19:29.44 | [31d1] | does dropbear have ssh-keygen and .ssh/config and all that good stuff? |
| 19:37.50 | Deformative | Is there an irc client on the 770? |
| 19:38.12 | sbz | Deformative: xchat |
| 19:38.26 | sbz | [31d1]: i don't know |
| 19:39.04 | [31d1] | word - i <3 openssh so i installed it no matter how big it is |
| 19:39.20 | Deformative | sbz: I mean that comes preinstalled. |
| 19:39.23 | Deformative | I guess not. |
| 19:39.45 | [31d1] | Deformative: there isn't |
| 19:39.55 | sbz | cosmo: dropbear support xfowarding, but it's foolish to compare THE BEST OF WORLD ssh client and a little embbeded client, sur openssh is the best, it is on BSD Licence :) |
| 19:40.42 | sbz | Deformative: you can reattach your screen over ssh for example, it works well :) |
| 19:41.10 | sbz | when you use an irc console client |
| 19:41.53 | Deformative | It doesn't have a terminal installed by default? |
| 19:41.56 | Deformative | Weak. |
| 19:42.38 | sbz | you need to install osso-xterm from bora maemo-hackers repository |
| 19:42.47 | [31d1] | nah - someone needs to port rxvt lol |
| 19:42.53 | Deformative | I already said that. |
| 19:42.58 | Deformative | That will be my first thing I do. |
| 19:43.01 | [31d1] | hence my lol |
| 19:44.35 | Deformative | This is a very cool device. |
| 19:44.43 | Deformative | Needs a longer lasting battery, but still cool. |
| 19:45.17 | [31d1] | im almost glad of how crappy 770 is out of the box - cause if it was better without having to hack on it they wouldnt be so cheap maybe |
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| 19:45.36 | [31d1] | oh Deformative your jawn came in the mail today? |
| 19:45.44 | Deformative | Yes. |
| 19:45.54 | [31d1] | battery lasts pretty long in my experience |
| 19:46.02 | Deformative | Has anyone modded the chat program to include irc and aol? |
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| 19:46.08 | killfill | hey |
| 19:46.12 | Deformative | I read it only last about 3 hours. |
| 19:46.14 | killfill | i just installed canola 1.0beta2. |
| 19:46.16 | [31d1] | maybe not compared to newer stuff |
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| 19:46.24 | [31d1] | it lasts a long time in standby |
| 19:46.25 | killfill | and i see the same gui as the old one. is this ok?... |
| 19:46.28 | sbz | Deformative: nokia n770|800 is very very very cool |
| 19:46.37 | killfill | wansnt canola switching to efl?.. |
| 19:46.49 | [31d1] | the port of gaim has irc |
| 19:47.10 | Deformative | Why didn't they improve the existing client? |
| 19:47.19 | Deformative | It seems alright. |
| 19:47.24 | [31d1] | meh i dunno i am irssi 4 life |
| 19:47.34 | sbz | Deformative: irssi works on armel too |
| 19:47.37 | k-s[WORK] | killfill: it is |
| 19:47.43 | k-s[WORK] | killfill: but we'll release it late December |
| 19:48.04 | k-s[WORK] | xmas gift |
| 19:48.04 | k-s[WORK] | :-D |
| 19:49.03 | killfill | k-s[WORK]: aah, so the beta2 is an upgrade, but without the new stuff |
| 19:49.09 | killfill | hehe |
| 19:49.23 | Deformative | Hmm. |
| 19:49.25 | k-s[WORK] | new version with efl will be a total rewrite |
| 19:49.36 | Deformative | Does anyone know if gmail works with the nokia email manager? |
| 19:49.44 | k-s[WORK] | killfill: in python for our mental healt |
| 19:49.46 | Deformative | Or should I just remove the email manager, if possible |
| 19:49.47 | k-s[WORK] | health |
| 19:49.52 | [31d1] | there's some way t hook it up |
| 19:50.06 | [31d1] | but gmail itself works fine in the browser |
| 19:50.12 | killfill | thought beta2 was the rewrite.. :) |
| 19:50.38 | [31d1] | there's a port of mutt that's slammin' once you turn on mouse-enabled |
| 19:50.47 | Deformative | [31d1]: But gmail in browser doesn't still work without internet. |
| 19:51.10 | [31d1] | yeah true |
| 19:51.59 | [31d1] | just never leave the house and you will always have internets! |
| 19:52.13 | killfill | k-s[WORK]: isnt there a hidden binary of that efl thingy somewhere?.. |
| 19:52.28 | k-s[WORK] | killfill: I provide EFL packages at my website |
| 19:52.41 | k-s[WORK] | killfill: maemo-efl.garage.maemo.org |
| 19:52.53 | sbz | Deformative: yes gmail works good |
| 19:53.10 | [31d1] | google reader - not so much :( |
| 19:53.16 | k-s[WORK] | this is the website of the project, with link to my repository... Ed (from Nokia) is doing better packages and we'll use his package later |
| 19:53.37 | killfill | k-s[WORK]: and a canola of that branch? |
| 19:53.44 | k-s[WORK] | yep |
| 19:53.53 | killfill | oh well its python.. i could just get the source of it.. where is it? |
| 19:54.13 | k-s[WORK] | killfill: source of what? |
| 19:54.30 | killfill | canola efl edition.. |
| 19:54.48 | k-s[WORK] | killfill: canola is still (unfortunatelly) closed source :-/ |
| 19:54.57 | killfill | aAaa |
| 19:54.58 | killfill | :S |
| 19:54.59 | k-s[WORK] | killfill: we develop it internally at INdT |
| 19:55.28 | k-s[WORK] | killfill: so far we're working on base components, like EFL... I'm doing python-efl, cmarcelo does python-etk |
| 19:56.22 | [31d1] | all i want for xmas is flash9 |
| 19:56.34 | k-s[WORK] | [31d1]: that's another company |
| 19:56.35 | k-s[WORK] | :-D |
| 19:56.42 | [31d1] | heh |
| 19:57.29 | killfill | my car-radios were stoled 4 time in total.. |
| 19:57.37 | killfill | i wont buy any car-radio in my live again... |
| 19:57.37 | procto | been* |
| 19:57.45 | procto | ugh |
| 19:57.53 | procto | I was asking if anyone had luck with the headset profile |
| 19:58.05 | killfill | so my xmas preset _is_ canola efl.. :P |
| 19:58.20 | procto | does the version of bluez installing by that install.sh include it even? |
| 20:06.00 | Nermal | do any ad block solutions work in opera on the n800 - or is there a built in one in opera ? |
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| 20:08.41 | dhdfoo | still trying to install Sardine here ... |
| 20:08.50 | dhdfoo | this page http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_Boot_From_MMC_card indicates that I can download tar using apt-get -d install |
| 20:09.12 | dhdfoo | but ... it doesn't seem to be in any repositories that apt knows about |
| 20:09.44 | dhdfoo | or rather it says "selecting busybox instead of tar" |
| 20:10.00 | dhdfoo | the alternate method is to use rsync - that's the package that does not seem to exist according to apt |
| 20:13.08 | dhdfoo | AND this is way out of date: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationCatalog#89a4551b0f29c1a652648b1cb8747021 |
| 20:17.22 | dhdfoo | okay never mind I just downloaded the debian-armel binary |
| 20:17.40 | dhdfoo | I will edit the HOWTO page to mention that you probably want to do this |
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| 20:23.33 | Deformative | Can I modify the home desktop? |
| 20:23.55 | dhdfoo | oh, lovely, that actually does not work either |
| 20:24.03 | trevarthan | no clue if anyone cares, but I just built a test .deb of libvisual for the n800. You can get it here: http://www.guardiani.us/libvisual-0.4-0_0.4.0-1.1_armel.deb |
| 20:24.05 | dhdfoo | fine I will just #@$ compile tar myself in scratchbox |
| 20:24.22 | trevarthan | thinking about using libvisual in Kagu. :) |
| 20:24.35 | trevarthan | thanks to k-s[WORK] for the info. |
| 20:26.00 | Deformative | Can I modify the home desktop? |
| 20:27.06 | Nermal | in what way ? |
| 20:27.27 | Nermal | you can add and remove thingies and change the background |
| 20:27.35 | Nermal | or plonk KDE on an SD card :) |
| 20:27.54 | Deformative | How can I remove things and change the background? |
| 20:28.06 | Nermal | not sure - I'll find out tomorrow |
| 20:28.15 | Nermal | I presume there is a nice preferences thing in the control panel |
| 20:28.30 | Deformative | Found it. |
| 20:28.33 | Deformative | Nope. |
| 20:28.37 | Deformative | It is in the menu for home. |
| 20:28.42 | Nermal | ah :) |
| 20:29.26 | Nermal | :S |
| 20:31.40 | killfill | hey guys.. how do you umount a sd card?.. |
| 20:31.54 | killfill | currently im loggin in and umount /... it.. |
| 20:31.59 | twobithacker | Anyone have some pointers on getting a script to run when a wifi connection is established? |
| 20:32.25 | pupnik | interesting questions... |
| 20:33.03 | pupnik | twobithacker: maybe in /etc/network if-up.d |
| 20:33.23 | twobithacker | everything I've read says that doesn't work for wifi, just for pppd connections |
| 20:34.35 | Nermal | killfill: is there no "eject" option |
| 20:34.38 | pupnik | twobithacker: you can install load-applet-run and start any script manually |
| 20:34.42 | Nermal | that usually syncs and unmounts things |
| 20:35.49 | twobithacker | yeah, that work if I mess with some permissions. basically I'm just looking to run ntpdate when I get a connection |
| 20:36.23 | killfill | Nermal: yup.. i miss that. i think pluggin my sdch in/out makes my memories broke.. i already broke two.. :P |
| 20:37.02 | Nermal | killfill: I read about that on the itt forums - which is why I'm going to patch mine when it arrives and only use the internal slot for now |
| 20:37.16 | Nermal | seems to affect a lot of people |
| 20:37.43 | killfill | i should read that forums.. :P |
| 20:40.47 | twobithacker | looks like I should be looking into dbus stuff to do what I want |
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| 20:49.02 | [31d1] | twobithacker: im interested in that too - to run a dyndns script |
| 20:49.41 | [31d1] | and /etc/network/init.d just comes up on boot - not via wireless |
| 20:50.17 | [31d1] | currently i just have a script cronned every so often that checks iwconfig to see if theres a wlan before running anything |
| 20:54.03 | bedboi | anyone knows a library that extracts symbols from an ELF? |
| 20:59.13 | unique311 | anyone using videocenter? |
| 20:59.34 | unique311 | notice it doesn't play all vlogs. |
| 21:01.21 | sbz | bedboi: for maemo or in general ? libelf :) |
| 21:01.30 | bedboi | in general. |
| 21:02.02 | sbz | bedboi: http://www.mr511.de/software/ |
| 21:02.21 | bedboi | sbz: dl_iterate_phdr? |
| 21:02.25 | bedboi | what about that? |
| 21:03.15 | bedboi | sbz: i did ldd `which objdump` but libelf is not a dependency, so i was pretending that libelf does not have that feature |
| 21:04.59 | sbz | i never saw dl_iterate_phdr header, i can't bring to you more precisions about that |
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| 21:08.46 | Blacksitox | hi |
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| 21:19.53 | trevarthan | scratchbox and distutils.core problem not finding gcc properly: http://pastebin.ca/694572 any ideas? |
| 21:20.35 | dhdfoo | is there any way to get more feedback during the boot process on the N800? |
| 21:20.46 | dhdfoo | the inability to see what is actually going on is driving me crazy |
| 21:20.55 | dhdfoo | I can never tell if it is actually going to boot or not |
| 21:21.32 | Nermal | have faith :) |
| 21:21.39 | dhdfoo | yeah :P |
| 21:21.49 | Nermal | I wonder if you remove the splash image file |
| 21:22.08 | dhdfoo | I have it set up to dual boot Sardine off an SD partition, but it only seems to be able to actually give me the boot menu every other time I power it on |
| 21:22.16 | dhdfoo | otherwise it just sits at the "Kernel version" screen |
| 21:22.59 | dhdfoo | hmm, perhaps it is the case that rebooting it with 'shutdown -r now' just doesn't work |
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| 21:23.55 | dhdfoo | there must be some way to get a serial console or something off it... |
| 21:24.27 | trevarthan | dhdfoo: not without soldering |
| 21:24.30 | dhdfoo | ohh I see, it involves soldering |
| 21:24.35 | dhdfoo | yeah I just found it in the Wiki |
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| 23:08.22 | Deformative | I cannot get gmail working. |
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| 23:15.50 | Deformative | Bleh. |
| 23:15.57 | Deformative | I need to find some way to get scratchbox working. |
| 23:16.07 | Deformative | I don't want to recompile my kernel. |
| 23:16.16 | Deformative | Maybe I could dual boot ubuntu or something. |
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| 23:22.08 | pauliukas | Heya y'all. I have a Nokia 770. |
| 23:22.22 | pauliukas | I heard that if I run the OS from the MMC card, it's twice as fast. Fact or fiction? |
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| 23:27.41 | Deformative | I haven't heard of that. |
| 23:27.42 | Deformative | Yet. |
| 23:27.56 | pauliukas | hmmm |
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| 23:48.31 | pupnik | "wengophone is an open-source alternative to skype" |