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| 00:05.22 | Deformati | Hm, I plan to treat my 770 as a laptop. |
| 00:05.50 | micky_ | hi people |
| 00:06.03 | micky_ | is this a technical channel? |
| 00:06.20 | nomis | micky_: yeah. |
| 00:06.26 | micky_ | great |
| 00:06.29 | nomis | it also is a quiet channel at the moment :) |
| 00:06.47 | Deformati | :( |
| 00:06.52 | micky_ | I been trying to get an answer for a few days to no avail |
| 00:07.03 | micky_ | it is a bout some kernel features |
| 00:07.05 | henno | Deformati: I just purchased a bluetooth keyboard for that very purpose |
| 00:07.17 | micky_ | so you know who might know about that stuff? |
| 00:07.17 | Deformati | henno: :D |
| 00:07.32 | Deformati | micky_: Lunis |
| 00:07.44 | nomis | micky_: just ask and you might find someone who knows. |
| 00:07.51 | micky_ | thx a lot Defomati |
| 00:08.07 | micky_ | thanks to you too nomis |
| 00:08.16 | Deformati | ._. |
| 00:08.25 | Deformati | henno: lemmi know how that works out. |
| 00:08.35 | micky_ | I've tried a few times nomis |
| 00:08.52 | micky_ | :-) |
| 00:09.22 | Deformati | After my 770 arrives, if it is functional, which it better be or I will cry. I am going to buy 3 1gb cards. |
| 00:09.26 | henno | Deformati: will do. I mainly want to be able to deal with server issues on the move - which I can do currently, but tapping around in xterm with a stylus is giving me the shits |
| 00:09.31 | Deformati | Then I will also purchase a bluetooth keyboard. |
| 00:10.22 | Deformati | Wtf @ xterm |
| 00:10.29 | Deformati | Hasn't rxvt been ported yet? |
| 00:10.48 | nomis | micky_: frankly, I have absolutely no interest in starting a hunt on where you might have asked that question already. |
| 00:11.07 | micky_ | no problem nomis :) |
| 00:11.21 | henno | Deformati: well there is a first task for you :) |
| 00:11.24 | Deformati | And does the 770 abide by the icccm? God I hope not, that thing is godawful. |
| 00:11.37 | henno | once you get your 770 that is |
| 00:11.56 | Deformati | Xterm is the shittiest terminal ever made, like, I cannot even begin to describe. ._. |
| 00:12.05 | Deformati | Maybe I will make my owm term via GTK+ |
| 00:12.25 | henno | Deformati: konsole? gnome-terminal? |
| 00:12.32 | henno | the shittiness abounds |
| 00:12.52 | Deformati | konsole is good |
| 00:12.57 | Deformati | xterm is horrid. |
| 00:13.18 | henno | hmm...please explain |
| 00:13.32 | henno | what konsole does better than xterm I mean |
| 00:14.18 | RushPL | much faster |
| 00:14.21 | Deformati | Not much to explain, xterm was just about the first X windowing system app made, and it set forth these horrible standards that we now must follow for backwards compatibility, it is very bloated, high memory usage, etc etc. |
| 00:14.28 | henno | maybe its resources, because for it's feature set xterm is not exactly sparing on resources |
| 00:14.32 | Deformati | Xterm wasn't really made for real use. |
| 00:14.37 | henno | RushPL: yeah exactly |
| 00:14.39 | Deformati | Just to display what X is capable of. |
| 00:14.44 | Deformati | Explains it poorly. |
| 00:14.50 | Deformati | s/explains/displays |
| 00:14.52 | RushPL | henno: konsole is faster |
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| 00:15.26 | henno | RushPL: I am aware of that, I was agreeing with you |
| 00:15.32 | RushPL | ok |
| 00:15.37 | RushPL | I thought that you misunderstood |
| 00:15.44 | Deformati | Xterm causes a world of mess, compare xterm with rxvt, there is a reason that all terminals are derived from rxvt, NOT xterm |
| 00:15.45 | RushPL | :) |
| 00:15.55 | Deformati | But people do not know the internals of xterm, so it continues to be used. |
| 00:16.10 | RushPL | http://martin.ankerl.com/2007/09/01/comprehensive-linux-terminal-performance-comparison/ |
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| 00:16.49 | RushPL | "xterm is the slowest terminal. While it is probably the most widely used term, the only slower terminal is Microsoft Window’s cmd.exe! Each instance requires 16 MB RAM, which is a lot in comparison to other terms with similar features." |
| 00:17.49 | RushPL | according to comments, whey haven't listed “mrxvt", which is supposed to be quite fast. |
| 00:18.33 | Deformati | I know the Eterm dev. |
| 00:18.36 | Deformati | Kinda arrogant. |
| 00:18.45 | Deformati | Eterm is ugly anyways. |
| 00:19.09 | henno | I hav enever liked eterm.. although to be honest I never really gave it an honest go either |
| 00:19.18 | Deformati | Since the 770 has very little ram, that is why I was shocked to see that rxvt has not been ported. |
| 00:20.43 | RushPL | just wonder, how fast is the mmc card? |
| 00:20.57 | Deformati | Dunno. |
| 00:21.04 | Deformati | I hear you can put a swapspace on it. |
| 00:21.47 | Deformati | I wonder if I can get wear leveling set up. |
| 00:21.57 | Deformati | Wear leveling would be hella useful for the mmc cards. |
| 00:21.58 | RushPL | I have an ARMv9 at home at achieves like 2.5MB/s read from a pendrive and about 6MB/s from an integrated 16-bit NAND-flash. |
| 00:22.19 | RushPL | so I just wonder if the reader on Nokia is any better. |
| 00:22.50 | RushPL | Deformati: there are filesystems doing wear levelling. |
| 00:22.58 | Deformati | I know. |
| 00:23.02 | RushPL | some pendrives do it by hardware |
| 00:23.18 | Deformati | Does the kernel already have the proper module for it? |
| 00:23.28 | Deformati | What filesystem must it be formatted as? |
| 00:24.28 | RushPL | I know of jffs being good, the only disadvanantage is a long mounting time, and increases O(n) where n is the amout of data. |
| 00:25.12 | Deformati | Hmm. |
| 00:25.16 | RushPL | I don't want to guess what's default on Nokia. |
| 00:25.22 | Deformati | Will be something to look into soon after ] |
| 00:25.24 | RushPL | I'd better wait for it :P |
| 00:25.27 | Deformati | it arrives |
| 00:25.45 | Deformati | We have got to pimp out the 770 RushPL, xD |
| 00:25.55 | Deformati | I might even design a full new DE. |
| 00:26.00 | Deformati | Just to avoid icccm hell. |
| 00:27.05 | RushPL | there are already many maemo apps, a new DE would mean a lot of work. |
| 00:27.08 | saaib | henno, what BT keyboard did you buy? |
| 00:27.58 | Deformati | RushPL: most of the apps should be easy to port. |
| 00:28.14 | Deformati | I mean. |
| 00:28.37 | Deformati | Much of the icccm stuff is handled by gtk+ so just rewriting gtk+ will make a huge difference. |
| 00:28.50 | Deformati | Only thing that sucks about that is that it must be done in C. |
| 00:28.51 | Deformati | Not D. |
| 00:28.57 | Deformati | So much to do, this is gonna be so much fun. |
| 00:29.07 | Deformati | Port D, get wear leveling, gui stuff. |
| 00:29.13 | Deformati | Play around with arm ASM |
| 00:29.14 | Deformati | Omg. |
| 00:29.53 | Deformati | And rxvt too |
| 00:29.53 | RushPL | Deformati: I'm not targetting that high, but definitely I'm gonna play with it. :) |
| 00:32.20 | Deformati | Heh, 3 projects |
| 00:32.29 | Deformati | Yage, slate, and 770 stuffies |
| 00:32.47 | Deformati | I guess the 770 stuff and slate can be merged at some point. |
| 00:32.56 | Deformati | Since slate should support arm. |
| 00:33.03 | henno | saaib: stowaway bt keyboard |
| 00:33.09 | Deformati | But that would be at least 1-2 years away. |
| 00:33.13 | RushPL | I have my paid work + ARF + gonna do something with 770. Oh, and not to mention my studies. :( |
| 00:33.34 | Deformati | Yeah, I got school too. |
| 00:33.44 | Deformati | But the great thing about the 770 development, I can do it from anywhere. |
| 00:33.50 | henno | dell branded, but basically a thinkoutside |
| 00:33.58 | Deformati | Where yage and slate, I need to be on my desktop. |
| 00:34.11 | Deformati | So the 770 dev will likeley get the most work done. |
| 00:34.19 | RushPL | Deformati: you man like developing for 770 on 770? |
| 00:34.25 | RushPL | without the scratchbox |
| 00:34.32 | Deformati | Yes. |
| 00:35.14 | Deformati | That is why gdc is needed. |
| 00:35.14 | Deformati | :D |
| 00:35.20 | Deformati | Lightning fast compile times. |
| 00:53.45 | rwhitby | can someone tell me what the file owner and permissions are on /etc/apt/sources.list normally? |
| 00:54.32 | rwhitby | The application manager GUI is complaining that it can't save changes, and I expect I might have inadvertently modified the permissions on /etc/apt/sources.list by modifying it as root via ssh. |
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| 01:17.44 | henno | rwhitby: I have -rw-r--r-- and root:root |
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| 01:43.53 | redmonk | hello. 770-newbie here. can someone explain where hildon-libs0 and libosso1 come from? |
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| 01:59.30 | Blacksitox | buenos dias |
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| 02:47.55 | rwhitby | henno: thx - looks like that's not the problem then |
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| 03:49.24 | Blacksitox | bye |
| 04:05.47 | qnr-lt | anyone know how I get e2fsprogs installed? it keeps hiccoughing on ncurses-bin |
| 04:09.44 | qnr-lt | n/m I'll just format the partition on my laptop |
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| 05:21.46 | qnr-lt | ok, I must be totally braindead, but where is bzip2? Or lacking that, how else can I extract .bz2 on my N800? |
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| 05:31.51 | henno | qnr-lt: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationCatalogWip#03ce1ba314f367fdd09887fc8f60578b |
| 05:32.04 | henno | it appears to be a WIP |
| 05:33.02 | qnr-lt | ok, thanks... I've seen one page on it already, I'll check that out, it might be different. What I really want to know is if there are .gz dictionaries for stardict |
| 05:33.08 | qnr-lt | I' can't find them |
| 05:33.32 | qnr-lt | ah, ok, that's a different page, thanks |
| 05:34.47 | Gopi | Has the promised 770 hacker edition update come out yet? |
| 05:36.37 | qnr-lt | oh well, that's a bad URI ... I'm browsing the site though, to check |
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| 06:15.46 | latzko | mornin' |
| 06:19.18 | latzko | can you help me with conic? My applet needs to estabilish a connection if there is not yet, i tried con_ic_connection_connect with event callback. It works more or less on tablet but it prevents login on x86, scratchbox |
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| 06:32.30 | latzko | yepp ,got it |
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| 07:00.59 | keesj | Hi |
| 07:01.10 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 07:03.32 | henno_ | Gopi: if you are referring to the one released on the 9th, then yes |
| 07:08.02 | keesj | Jaffa: where you a palm user? |
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| 07:19.11 | DRoBeR | Hello, Hola, Hallo, Ni hao, Xin chao, Konnnichiwa, Bonjour, Privet, Olá, ... |
| 07:22.20 | RushPL | こんいちは！ |
| 07:22.52 | RushPL | replace your konnichiwa :P |
| 07:24.03 | Fatal | ????????????? |
| 07:24.04 | Fatal | damn |
| 07:24.20 | Fatal | 私達を遅れる言っているか。 |
| 07:25.33 | Jaffa | keesj: Briefly. Never got on with it - the lack of multitasking was a killer. |
| 07:26.07 | Jaffa | keesj: and the constant crashes which wiped everything out when I reset weren't too impressive either. Switched back to Psions before coming to the 770. |
| 07:26.57 | keesj | My first "embedded" device was a psion 3 |
| 07:27.04 | keesj | 3a |
| 07:28.52 | keesj | I worked for cryptix and there where such device laying around. |
| 07:29.37 | Jaffa | Cool |
| 07:30.04 | keesj | I was really a puppet but I loved it |
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| 08:16.07 | DRoBeR | fab: from Lyon? :) |
| 08:17.41 | bedboi | anyone out there have ever profiled d-bus? |
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| 09:14.30 | Test_ | good morning.................... |
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| 09:20.56 | DRoBeR | Buenas, AD-N770 |
| 09:21.35 | AD-N770 | Hola DRoBer |
| 09:21.42 | AD-N770 | good morning |
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| 09:22.09 | DRoBeR | Good morning. |
| 09:22.27 | klikklak | hey, is there an last.fm compatible player for nokia 770? .. I can't find one in the garage. |
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| 09:23.37 | DRoBeR | AD-N770: Which city are you from? if I can know. |
| 09:23.59 | AD-N770 | I'm from Igualada |
| 09:24.20 | DRoBeR | I bought an N770 just for tests but I am still waiting for it. :/ |
| 09:24.23 | DRoBeR | Catalonian |
| 09:24.29 | AD-N770 | yes |
| 09:24.52 | DRoBeR | I'm castillian but I live in Gallæcia. ;) |
| 09:25.22 | DRoBeR | So, did you get your N770 long time ago? |
| 09:25.32 | AD-N770 | about 2 years |
| 09:25.50 | cosmo | klikklak: nope i think |
| 09:29.07 | DRoBeR | So, you had test it a lot... I bought it this weekend but I'm still waiting for it. What is your oppinion of this device, AD-N770? |
| 09:32.09 | AD-N770 | DroBeR: I've a pair of 770 and one N800, I use mainly a 770 to read ebooks and some browsing, the other 770 is used by my wife, browsing and playing |
| 09:32.20 | AD-N770 | the n800 to develop |
| 09:33.35 | pupnik | As pocketable linux computers, the 770/N800 are unmatched. |
| 09:39.00 | AD-N770 | hi pupnik |
| 09:39.52 | pupnik | good morning AD-N770 :) |
| 09:40.20 | pupnik | ~UCT |
| 09:40.52 | pupnik | universal chat time - heh ... /me makes coffee |
| 09:40.58 | AD-N770 | pupnik: some ppl said me that my nethack port segfault |
| 09:41.14 | AD-N770 | and it's unplayable, random segfaults |
| 09:41.21 | pupnik | :( Works fine here |
| 09:41.44 | AD-N770 | pupnik are you using a 770 or a n800 ? |
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| 09:41.59 | pupnik | 770 |
| 09:42.23 | pupnik | i have only played it for an hour or two though |
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| 09:49.56 | DRoBeR | What's the actual price of N800? |
| 09:51.08 | suihkulokki | g0000gle |
| 09:52.23 | Nermal | helloo o:) |
| 09:52.52 | Nermal | how do I "fav" a planet entry on planet.maemo.org ? it asks me to login when I do but my garage login doesn't seem to work |
| 09:55.05 | pupnik | I created another account for maemo.org - garage login didn't work for me. |
| 09:55.15 | Nermal | humm.. let me see if I can find it |
| 09:56.16 | Nermal | pupnik: where can you create a maemo.org account - the register link on the front page goes to the garage page |
| 09:58.11 | pupnik | i don't recall where - they did some reoganization, i created a new account and that works on both |
| 09:58.21 | pupnik | my original account only seems to work on garage, last i checked |
| 09:58.55 | Nermal | ah :| |
| 09:59.51 | pupnik | my guess is bin laden died a couple of years ago and they're keeping him alive on video |
| 10:00.59 | pupnik | of course none of the MSM have pointed out the fact that he looks younger now, and that the video is paused for most of the duration |
| 10:01.13 | pupnik | they keep parrotting "cia has ruled the video genuine" |
| 10:01.45 | pupnik | They're laughing at us. |
| 10:01.56 | pupnik | The video is genuine archival footage. The audio is fake. |
| 10:02.36 | AD-N770 | hi suihkulokki |
| 10:06.38 | suihkulokki | AD-N770: hi |
| 10:06.39 | _Monkey | what's up, suihkulokki |
| 10:06.40 | Nermal | pupnik: fox news reported he died 4 or so years ago |
| 10:07.10 | Nermal | http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,41576,00.html |
| 10:07.20 | Nermal | not that I really read faux news mind :) |
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| 10:09.41 | pupnik | ah sorry about that post - wrong channel |
| 10:10.00 | pupnik | ty nermal :) interesting link |
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| 10:10.30 | pupnik | wb unique311 |
| 10:10.50 | unique311 | my thinkpad crapped out on me.. |
| 10:11.03 | unique311 | was without a notebook for a couple of days. |
| 10:11.25 | unique311 | too lazy to sit in front of PC after work.. |
| 10:11.29 | unique311 | sad |
| 10:12.26 | unique311 | think the bios battery is dead on the thinkpad. |
| 10:12.43 | lardman | morning all |
| 10:12.53 | tso | thats what one have a web tablet for ;) |
| 10:13.00 | Nermal | pupnik: aye - I'm quite pleased at the lack of politics in #maemo so I'll keep quiet now :) |
| 10:13.13 | unique311 | the tablet to irc.. |
| 10:13.14 | unique311 | ll |
| 10:13.21 | unique311 | no way.. |
| 10:13.29 | tso | xchat ;) |
| 10:13.44 | unique311 | i know, bu i tried it, not the same... |
| 10:13.46 | Nermal | anyone tried kde on the tablet yet ? :) |
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| 10:14.04 | tso | sure, i have not tried it myself. and without a bluetooth keyboard it would probably be problematic keeping up... |
| 10:14.11 | pupnik | brb |
| 10:14.46 | unique311 | having issues with video center, everything i add an internet tv link, i get "Service file not found" |
| 10:15.16 | unique311 | tried it with 4 different internet tv links same error message. |
| 10:33.24 | tso | hmm, ibm seems to be only tech company doing long haul development these days. and then only in the field of storage... |
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| 10:39.36 | pupnik | there we goes |
| 10:40.07 | tso | hmm? |
| 10:41.10 | pupnik | had to restart irssi to assign correct window numbers to channels |
| 10:41.17 | pupnik | otherwise i end up typing in the wrong ones :P |
| 10:41.55 | Nermal | :| |
| 10:42.07 | Nermal | I used to run irc on console 4 |
| 10:42.18 | Nermal | so would alt-f4 a lot to get to the irc console |
| 10:42.23 | Nermal | made using Windows fun :( |
| 10:46.01 | Mikho | why do you have to restart irssi to assign correct window numbers? |
| 10:46.33 | pupnik | because i didn't rtfm probably |
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| 10:49.32 | unique311 | so no one has given videocenter a try in here? |
| 10:50.52 | tso | not much point when all one owns is a 770 |
| 10:53.59 | Jaffa | I loaded it, started it and thought "yay, yet another Nokia pplication with an inconsistent UI; when'll they learn something from Apple?" |
| 10:54.21 | unique311 | lol |
| 10:54.54 | unique311 | ukmp, kagu, and canola i think get it |
| 10:55.32 | unique311 | eye candy is nice.. |
| 10:56.52 | Jaffa | Yeah, but we had MediaStreamer from Nokia which was one style, we've had 3 versions of Media Player now, and now we've got VideoCenter which is different again. |
| 10:57.17 | Jaffa | And it didn't find any of my local videos, created a directory on my external SD card (the smallest one) and so pretty quickly got closed. |
| 10:57.25 | Jaffa | I fixed UKMP's video thumbnails instead :) |
| 10:57.34 | unique311 | the video i watched of videocenter shows this guy using internet tv....but there's no tutorial on adding internet tv, and which are supported. |
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| 10:58.08 | unique311 | ukmp is still not picking up all of my tracks.. |
| 10:58.29 | unique311 | billboard top 100s, only 30 shows. |
| 10:58.33 | Jaffa | UKMP's code is shocking, it must be said. I can see why trevarthan started Kagu :) |
| 10:59.06 | tso | i just wish they would develop a player that dont need to take over the whole display... |
| 10:59.23 | tso | was not someone talking about a desktop applet for kagu over on itt? |
| 10:59.35 | Jaffa | Yeah, the code's there now so it's just a case of writing the applet. |
| 11:00.17 | pupnik | my fingers never touch the display -- stylus all the way |
| 11:00.38 | unique311 | kinetic strolling, come on.. |
| 11:00.47 | unique311 | it just calls for fingers |
| 11:00.56 | unique311 | scroll* |
| 11:01.24 | pupnik | my ex girlfriend mastered kinetic strolling :P |
| 11:01.32 | pupnik | <wiggle> |
| 11:02.01 | pupnik | fingerprints, unique311 - can't stand em |
| 11:02.25 | unique311 | i don't get them. |
| 11:02.39 | unique311 | you have a screen protector? |
| 11:02.58 | tso | hmm, if kagu can handle audio streams then it may be a nice replacement for the buildt-in player on my 770 |
| 11:06.42 | pupnik | no screen protector |
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| 11:08.09 | unique311 | pupnik: no scratches? |
| 11:08.55 | lardman | derf: Do you have any idea if any of the Tremor branches (i.e. lowmem, lowmem-no-byte) actually compile? I'm getting rather a lot of errors and I think it's down to the header files. |
| 11:08.57 | pupnik | not one - just use the stylus - and occasionally a pen or a lighter edge |
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| 12:01.04 | celesteh | running a virtual machine and then accessing that via vnc is too many layers of indirection |
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| 12:04.00 | derf | lardman: lowmem-no-byte compiles on x86-32 for me. |
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| 13:10.12 | pupnik_ | i can't figure out how to copy clipboard to the maemo vnc viewer |
| 13:10.23 | bipolar | I just reloaded my n800, and for some reason my bluetooth applet is missing. is there a package I have to install to get it back, or some setting I need to turn on somewhere? |
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| 13:10.51 | pupnik_ | you will have to recreate your bluetooth connection |
| 13:11.14 | bipolar | pupnik_: oh... in the control panel? |
| 13:11.40 | pupnik_ | after flashing i have to recreate my bluetooth keyboard connection |
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| 13:11.51 | pupnik_ | don't know about your situation |
| 13:12.41 | bipolar | pupnik_: yep, that did it. thanks |
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| 13:27.40 | bipolar | can anyone tell me where the bluetooth dun settings are stored? I need to manualy change the phone number it's dialing so it works with my phone. |
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| 13:27.51 | bipolar | the UI wont let me enter "S=2" :( |
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| 13:30.57 | lardman|home | Someone put me out of my misery, what's wrong with this line of code?: |
| 13:31.06 | lardman|home | a = (char *)mmap((void *) 0, MBUF_LENGTH, PROT_READ | PROT_WRITE, MAP_SHARED, fd, 0); |
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| 13:31.18 | lardman|home | where a is: char *a; |
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| 13:36.14 | bipolar | I've greped the entire n800 file system and been unable to find where the phone number string for bluetooth dun is stored. can someone point me in the right direction please? |
| 13:40.49 | nomis | bipolar: it probably is stored via gconf. Sorry, don't know off hand where these files are located. |
| 13:42.08 | lardman|home | Can the n800 do dialup over bluetooth? I thought it defaulted to a gprs/data connection via the provider? |
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| 13:42.28 | bipolar | lardman|home: yes, it can |
| 13:42.42 | Blacksitox | buenos dias |
| 13:44.29 | lardman|home | bipolar: Try /etc/ppp/peers |
| 13:44.44 | lardman|home | or rather one of the chat scripts that I presume are stored there |
| 13:45.05 | lardman|home | if you searched as the normal user you won't have been able to look in there as it belongs to root |
| 13:47.01 | bipolar | lardman|home: thanks, but it's not there. I've got to go now, I hope I don't have to log into my servers while on my trip.... all becouse some designer decided to only allow numbers in the DUN field. |
| 13:49.46 | lardman|home | uuurgh, #define somevar = someval, amazing how many problems that causes! |
| 13:50.32 | nomis | heh :) |
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| 14:04.34 | celesteh | scratchbox? |
| 14:04.34 | _Monkey | well, scratchbox is a cross-compilation toolkit for maemo application development. Homepage: http://www.scratchbox.org/ Maemo 3.x (bora/N800) tutorial: http://qurl.org/yN Maemo 2.2 (gregale/770) tutorial: http://qurl.org/zN A walkthrough for 3.x: http://qurl.org/0O Scratchbox Downloads: http://qurl.org/1O |
| 14:04.52 | celesteh | thanks, _Monkey |
| 14:04.52 | _Monkey | celesteh: no problem |
| 14:05.40 | pupnik | i love irc on 770 |
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| 14:06.00 | celesteh | do you use GAIM or xchat or what? |
| 14:06.25 | celesteh | i use gaim, but i can't say that i love it |
| 14:06.30 | pupnik | using vnc to a pc right now |
| 14:07.00 | celesteh | ah, i got that to work the first time yesterday. was cool |
| 14:07.10 | celesteh | ssh tunneling even worked |
| 14:07.17 | pupnik | away from home - irssi |
| 14:07.39 | pupnik | xchat is good too |
| 14:07.39 | celesteh | the only problem I have is DNS. my computer is called darc-mini.local and it can't resolve that |
| 14:07.52 | pupnik | heh - |
| 14:07.56 | celesteh | i don't know if the '-' is the problem, since the error is weird |
| 14:08.09 | celesteh | ah, so that's it |
| 14:08.21 | Veggen | - is valid in domains. |
| 14:08.25 | pupnik | iirc yes |
| 14:08.30 | pupnik | hmm |
| 14:08.37 | Veggen | (_ is not, actually) |
| 14:08.54 | pupnik | ur right sorry |
| 14:13.24 | celesteh | it is valid, but that doesn't mean that ssh on the 880 is doing the right thing |
| 14:14.33 | celesteh | it's the only non-mac on my wifi network. i don't know how to tell it to do the local DNS thing, since they all can do it fine |
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| 14:15.36 | celesteh | the wireless router handles this, right? |
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| 14:25.12 | Justin | celesteh: no, some wireless routers may do that, but in your case the foo.local thing is done using mdns |
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| 15:06.27 | syraxxl | hi to all |
| 15:06.31 | syraxxl | i have a question |
| 15:07.16 | Nermal | ask away :) |
| 15:07.24 | syraxxl | my nokia is N800 i have a bt keyboard /spp/ how to run it |
| 15:07.47 | syraxxl | is posible ? |
| 15:10.37 | Jaffa | Yes, Google 'kbdd' |
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| 15:38.53 | florian | hi bedboi |
| 15:39.04 | bedboi | hi there florian |
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| 15:43.27 | florian | bedboi: any news on gpe-sudoku? :-) |
| 15:44.11 | bedboi | florian: nope, sorry for that. I'm extremely busy right now. btw i can do it later in the evening... |
| 15:44.22 | bedboi | i'll commit your patch and release |
| 15:44.34 | bedboi | thank you for pinging me :) |
| 15:45.16 | florian | hehe |
| 15:45.54 | florian | bedboi: yw, but don't worry its the same here - I will be more or less unavailable for some weeks. |
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| 16:50.14 | pupnik | didn't the pc version have a paste buffer command? f8? |
| 16:54.36 | erstazi | pupnik: http://vnc.com/pipermail/vnc-list/2002-March/029083.html |
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| 16:55.48 | pupnik | When the mouse |
| 16:55.48 | pupnik | enters the vncviewer's window, the clipboard is copied local-to-remote. |
| 16:55.50 | pupnik | When the mouse leaves, the clipboard is copied remote-to-local |
| 16:55.58 | pupnik | testing that now |
| 16:56.28 | pupnik | nope |
| 16:57.49 | pupnik | oh well - it keeps me from clicking on too many links :) |
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| 17:02.27 | erstazi | pupnik: is the host a PC or the tablet? |
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| 17:03.03 | erstazi | pupnik: I am assuming the tablet.. if so I do the tap-hold circle motion and it brings up the "right click" menu |
| 17:04.59 | pupnik | interesting - |
| 17:05.00 | _Monkey | hmmm... interesting - is there a web page / forum or wiki with info on how to do this? |
| 17:05.44 | pupnik | i don't see how i can tap-hold-circle - it destroys the text hilighting |
| 17:05.52 | pupnik | vncclient on the 770 - server on the pc |
| 17:06.18 | Jaffa | Sun release JRE 1.4.2 of Java SE for ARM Linux... and it's not armel |
| 17:06.41 | erstazi | Jaffa: there isn't any formidable java release for armel |
| 17:07.16 | erstazi | Jaffa: from what I read on ITT (I don't remember the link's URL and its not bookmarked) but its going to be take quite some time before there is one |
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| 17:11.44 | suihkulokki | erstazi: im just building gcj/gij for debian/armel |
| 17:11.50 | erstazi | ah |
| 17:13.33 | |user| | kvirc on n800, nice |
| 17:15.23 | Jaffa | erstazi: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9656 |
| 17:16.24 | erstazi | ah |
| 17:16.36 | erstazi | that might have been it |
| 17:17.44 | Jaffa | No, this is a new thing which Sun themselves have released for evaluation (times out after 90 days) |
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| 17:53.49 | Tu13es | anyone here know anything about VPN on the N800? |
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| 18:20.21 | kethepoo | i am trying to connect my N800 to a secure wifi network at my school, however the server certificate they use is not on my list of trusted certificates. does anyone know how can i go about getting that certificate? |
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| 18:26.43 | procto | kethepoo: I'm having the same exact problem |
| 18:26.51 | kethepoo | actually |
| 18:26.55 | kethepoo | i think i figured it out |
| 18:26.57 | procto | kethepoo: works at home, but not at school |
| 18:27.00 | procto | kethepoo: yeah? |
| 18:27.06 | kethepoo | went to control panel |
| 18:27.13 | procto | kethepoo: see, my school uses Thawte Premium Server |
| 18:27.15 | procto | which I have |
| 18:27.19 | procto | I set it to trust it |
| 18:27.24 | procto | didn't help |
| 18:27.25 | kethepoo | then i had to set it too trust |
| 18:27.25 | kethepoo | yeah |
| 18:27.27 | kethepoo | hmm |
| 18:27.44 | procto | I'm on my school's unsecured wifi right now |
| 18:27.48 | procto | on the n800 |
| 18:27.56 | procto | (in class) |
| 18:28.00 | kethepoo | sweet |
| 18:28.16 | kethepoo | i just bought it a couple days ago |
| 18:29.01 | Tu13es | my school's wifi limits just about all ports |
| 18:29.04 | Tu13es | :( |
| 18:29.24 | kethepoo | anyway, Thawte Premium Server is the exact same certificate they use here |
| 18:31.13 | procto | kethepoo: what school are you at? |
| 18:32.25 | kethepoo | carroll college, montana |
| 18:32.56 | procto | ah, not mine, then :> |
| 18:33.06 | procto | I'm at Brandeis University, near boston, ma |
| 18:33.18 | kethepoo | yeah i whois'd you |
| 18:33.18 | procto | I'm at Brandeis University, near boston, ma |
| 18:33.21 | procto | Aruba? |
| 18:33.27 | procto | I meant |
| 18:33.30 | procto | who installed your network |
| 18:33.36 | straind` | Jamaica? |
| 18:33.39 | procto | I guess I pressed up on this bluetooth keyboard |
| 18:33.43 | procto | Aruba Networks |
| 18:33.51 | kethepoo | not a clue |
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| 18:34.21 | straind` | procto: BT HID keyboard? |
| 18:34.35 | procto | yes, the stowaway |
| 18:34.38 | procto | the small one |
| 18:35.02 | straind` | Ok. I'm looking for someone who has set up an SPP keyboard. |
| 18:35.27 | kethepoo | Brandeis University is a community of scholars and students united by their commitment to the pursuit of knowledge and its transmission from generation to generation. As a research university, Brandeis is dedicated to the advancement of the humanities, arts, and social, natural and physical sciences. As a liberal arts college, Brandeis affirms the importance of a broad and critical education in enriching the lives of students and preparing them for full p |
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| 18:35.57 | Spoodle | -ho |
| 18:36.03 | kethepoo | heh, sounds exactly like my school |
| 18:36.10 | Spoodle | Hi guys |
| 18:36.22 | kethepoo | any of you used skype or gizmo on the n800? |
| 18:36.26 | Spoodle | anyone help a newbie please? |
| 18:36.46 | Spoodle | I am trying to install gaim/pidgin on the n800 |
| 18:36.47 | procto | kethepoo: I've used skype |
| 18:36.55 | Spoodle | I cannot get libgcrypt |
| 18:37.27 | Spoodle | the maemo-hackers catalogue seems to hang |
| 18:37.31 | procto | Spoodle: hm. I haven't done it, so can't be sure. Are you doing this from the console? |
| 18:37.53 | Spoodle | added the catalogue in application manager |
| 18:38.10 | Spoodle | but it simply does not work |
| 18:38.19 | procto | try it in xterm |
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| 18:38.31 | Spoodle | xterm? how? |
| 18:38.48 | procto | oh hm, anyone have a link to instructions on installing xterm? |
| 18:38.59 | Spoodle | hee hee |
| 18:39.15 | procto | I forget which repo it's on |
| 18:39.20 | procto | I think it's on the eko.pl one |
| 18:39.22 | Spoodle | I even downloaded the .install file to set it up but it hangs as well |
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| 18:39.26 | procto | oh wait, no |
| 18:39.33 | procto | xterm is on maemo-hackers |
| 18:39.35 | procto | install that |
| 18:39.45 | procto | then install the becomroot package from the eko.pl repo |
| 18:39.50 | procto | then open xterm |
| 18:39.55 | procto | type sudo gainroot |
| 18:40.05 | procto | and type apt-get update |
| 18:40.18 | procto | then type apt-get install maemo-gaim |
| 18:40.25 | procto | (oor mhatever the package name is) |
| 18:40.32 | Spoodle | but the maemo-hackers repo is the one that is hanging |
| 18:41.43 | Spoodle | I do not understand why |
| 18:41.55 | Spoodle | I am onnly missing libgcrypt |
| 18:42.12 | Spoodle | which I managed to get but is not new enough |
| 18:43.38 | Spoodle | it is getting *really* frustrating |
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| 18:51.26 | Tu13es | why not just use the pidgin binary? |
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| 18:54.06 | Luke__ | Every time I boot my n770 from the mmc card, and try to open the browser, it seg faults. This has only started happening over the past few days - anyone got any ideas/suggestions? |
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| 18:58.58 | pupnik | did you change settings? |
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| 19:03.37 | zaf | sweet, my new e61 uses same battery and charger as 770 |
| 19:04.33 | pupnik | a pencil makes a goos styluus... |
| 19:04.52 | Luke__ | Nope, not that I'm aware of |
| 19:05.16 | g0vgs_ | ahs the url changed for maemo-hackers repo? |
| 19:05.21 | g0vgs_ | ahs=has |
| 19:05.36 | g0vgs_ | the log shows me a does not exist error |
| 19:06.42 | pupnik | hackers is sometimes down |
| 19:06.45 | g0vgs_ | if I go to the repo with a browser there is nothing in the incoming-bora or mistral dirs |
| 19:07.01 | g0vgs_ | but I can get to the site |
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| 19:08.02 | pupnik | repositories? |
| 19:08.03 | _Monkey | i heard repositories was http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php |
| 19:08.52 | g0vgs_ | I mean if I put in the app manager.... |
| 19:09.21 | g0vgs_ | http://maemo-hackers.org/apt |
| 19:09.30 | g0vgs_ | Distribution: bora |
| 19:09.36 | g0vgs_ | Components: main |
| 19:09.40 | g0vgs_ | it fails |
| 19:09.58 | g0vgs_ | if I browse to the url I can get to it |
| 19:10.10 | g0vgs_ | but nothing in the incoming-bora dir |
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| 19:13.22 | sbz | Spoodle: http://rafb.net/p/co47rc67.html |
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| 19:13.58 | Spoodle | sbz: thanks, I guess I would need xterm for that? |
| 19:14.26 | sbz | for me this repository(maemo-hackers), is totaly reachable |
| 19:14.45 | Spoodle | how strange |
| 19:15.17 | sbz | Spoodle: you just need to add this following line on your /etc/apt/source.list => deb http://maemo-hackers.org/apt/ bora main |
| 19:15.30 | sbz | sources.list sorry |
| 19:16.08 | Spoodle | sbz: you mean on the n800? |
| 19:16.19 | pupnik | every once in a while i look at it again and think "wow... that's just *too* *cool*" |
| 19:16.41 | sbz | Spoodle: yes |
| 19:17.05 | Spoodle | well I have that but it fails |
| 19:17.29 | Spoodle | in the application manager |
| 19:17.44 | Spoodle | I cannot understand it, it is doin' me 'ead in! |
| 19:18.30 | sbz | pupnik: do you know anything (news..) about the WPA on the nokia ? i've compiled xsupplicant, it's works well on prompt, but he don't work :/ |
| 19:19.01 | sbz | doesn't work |
| 19:19.17 | Spoodle | sbz: I have even downloaded the .install file so it creates the settings automatically but nada |
| 19:19.48 | pupnik | no idea about wpa - just wep here |
| 19:19.56 | sbz | Spoodle: hum, use sources.list file, is more sure that application manager :) |
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| 19:20.15 | Spoodle | how do I get to it though, I have not got xterm |
| 19:21.11 | sbz | okay, it's a problem ..., i suppose you want to install osso-xterm from the maemo-hackers repository ? |
| 19:22.06 | Spoodle | ermm.. noew you see I have a problem with getting that too ;) |
| 19:23.04 | pupnik | Spoodle: get the .deb from someone here then - i have the 770 ver |
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| 19:24.25 | sbz | Spoodle: do you have activated the Red Pill Mode ? |
| 19:24.30 | Spoodle | anyone got the .deb version of osso-xterm for n800 please? |
| 19:24.39 | Spoodle | Red Pill mode? |
| 19:24.40 | _Monkey | Red Pill mode is presumably just the editing of a file |
| 19:25.21 | sbz | Spoodle: it's on wiki |
| 19:25.34 | Spoodle | OK, I will look there. Only had the tablet a day :) |
| 19:25.40 | Deformati | :( |
| 19:27.45 | sbz | Spoodle: moreover, check the error output of application manager , on window clic on left arrow and choose Tools -> Log... to check errors |
| 19:30.03 | Spoodle | sbz: found osso-xterm files and dragged them into card. Now installed |
| 19:31.35 | Spoodle | sbz: would you be so kind as to repeat your earlier directions for apt-get in an xterm please? |
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| 19:33.48 | sbz | Spoodle: # echo "http://maemo-hackers.org/apt/ bora main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list && apt-get update |
| 19:34.53 | Deformati | I mean, apt ubar suckage. |
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| 19:41.58 | Spoodle | gah, just getting permission denied on that one |
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| 19:43.53 | Spoodle | should I be logged into the tablet under a superuser of some kind for all this? |
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| 20:33.19 | pupnik | apple2! |
| 20:33.27 | pupnik | oh noes. /me reboots |
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| 20:50.09 | celesteh | mdns? |
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| 21:31.25 | unique311 | i finally figured out how to play sudoku, Not a big fan of reading instructions... |
| 21:31.34 | unique311 | yeah, everyone celebrate |
| 21:32.14 | unique311 | cool |
| 21:32.32 | unique311 | k, now i need sudoku for the n800 |
| 21:32.41 | celesteh | i found it last night |
| 21:32.48 | celesteh | i forget where |
| 21:32.53 | celesteh | not totally happy with it |
| 21:33.01 | unique311 | i can finally give up my addiction to solitaire on the n800 |
| 21:34.06 | celesteh | it would be nice to have a version that let you choose things like difficulty level. i haven't done a serious search yet, because if i follow the siren song of sudoku, that's baaaad |
| 21:34.51 | unique311 | if i find anything i'll let you know. |
| 21:35.21 | unique311 | hopefully i can find something that easily ports to maemo |
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| 21:38.53 | unique311 | gpe-sudoku, maemo-sudoku |
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| 21:40.27 | celesteh | i think i got the gpe. it is not great |
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| 22:10.03 | toed | is it possible for the touchscreen of my 770 to have a small deadzone in the middle? not quite sure how the technology works |
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| 22:18.26 | pupnik | yes toed |
| 22:18.42 | toed | I guess I'll have to send it back |
| 22:19.01 | pupnik | you can test it with a sketch program |
| 22:19.54 | toed | that's what I was doing, but since it's in dead center I was thinking it might be a bug or something |
| 22:20.50 | pupnik | haven't heard of any software issues that would explain that |
| 22:22.25 | toed | wishful thinking :) |
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| 23:14.48 | Deformati | Anyone around |
| 23:14.50 | Deformati | ? |
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| 23:16.26 | saaib | lonely day I guess |
| 23:17.10 | Deformati | Indeed. |
| 23:17.19 | Deformati | Everything went perfect. |
| 23:17.26 | Deformati | Except I didn't get my 770 yet. |
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| 23:19.56 | Deformati | Can anyone help me with scratchbox? |
| 23:20.05 | Deformati | When I try to login I get major ld.so error. |
| 23:20.51 | saaib | Argh! my 770 is Awaiting parts |
| 23:21.22 | Deformati | saaib: Can you help me with scratchbox? |
| 23:21.25 | saaib | Deformati, did you run all the steps? |
| 23:21.39 | Deformati | As far as I know. |
| 23:21.44 | Deformati | I am following the tutorial. |
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| 23:22.16 | Deformati | Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c bla bla bla |
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| 23:26.46 | Deformati | Hmm, now after reboot it says "scratchbox is not properly setup!" |
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| 23:28.01 | Blacksitox | hi |
| 23:30.48 | saaib | Deformati, probably you didn't run an ldconfig somewhere? |
| 23:31.02 | Deformati | The tutorial never said that. |
| 23:31.29 | saaib | did you run the run me first script? |
| 23:31.35 | Deformati | Yes. |
| 23:37.32 | saaib | Deformati, are you doing your scratchbox manually? |
| 23:37.43 | saaib | or using rpm/deb? |
| 23:38.28 | Deformati | Manually |
| 23:38.32 | henno | Deformati: if you are installing yoru scratchbox on arch, let me know how you go as well as any 'gotchas' |
| 23:38.48 | henno | I am looking to do the same very soon |
| 23:39.00 | Deformati | I might make a pkgbuild at some point. |
| 23:39.02 | Deformati | But not yet. |
| 23:39.27 | Deformati | I need to get it working before I can make a pkgbuild. |
| 23:39.28 | Deformati | :) |
| 23:39.39 | henno | I would be very interested in such a PKGBUILD |
| 23:39.49 | Deformati | My first goal will be to get GDC working on the 770 |
| 23:40.06 | henno | and rxvt :) |
| 23:40.12 | Deformati | That too. |
| 23:40.46 | henno | by the sounds of things you are quite partial to the D programming language |
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| 23:41.04 | Deformati | Yeah. |
| 23:41.33 | Deformati | I almost program in D exclusively, I do some functional programming like erlang and lisp on the side though. |
| 23:41.43 | Deformati | I am also planning on learning ARM asm |
| 23:41.44 | _Monkey | okay, Deformati. |
| 23:42.14 | procto | Yes! I was able to get the headset profile to connect to my bluetooth headset! |
| 23:42.23 | procto | that is, something other than a2dp |
| 23:42.28 | procto | however |
| 23:42.33 | procto | it's just garbage |
| 23:42.34 | Deformati | _Monkey: ? |
| 23:42.35 | _Monkey | deformati: no idea |
| 23:42.53 | procto | not playing anything yet :( |
| 23:43.07 | Deformati | henno: I would imagine you would enjoy D, there is a pretty large ratio of Archers in the D community,. |
| 23:43.48 | Deformati | That is, given that you already program. |
| 23:43.51 | procto | anyone been able to get the headset profile to work without a kernel patch? |
| 23:43.52 | Deformati | You do, don't you? |
| 23:44.08 | henno | Deformati: from what I have read, I think I would enjoy it |
| 23:44.44 | henno | I am dabbling in python at the moent, but I have to admit I am struggling a little with a totally new paradigm |
| 23:44.57 | henno | D looks like a good compromise |
| 23:45.30 | Deformati | D has python bindings. |
| 23:45.41 | Deformati | That is, python can use D. |
| 23:45.45 | henno | yeah I noticed that |
| 23:45.53 | Deformati | Krik maintains that. |
| 23:45.58 | Deformati | I have never used it though. |
| 23:46.02 | Deformati | Not a big fan of python. |
| 23:46.11 | henno | in fact, that is how I first got a look at D |
| 23:46.46 | Deformati | yage3d.net --that is one of the projects I am working on |
| 23:47.08 | Deformati | And also slate project, but slate is too young for me to say anything about it really. |
| 23:48.06 | henno | Deformati: I thought all lisp programmers liked python :) |
| 23:48.26 | henno | it is like some sort of rule of interpretted languages is it not :) |
| 23:49.16 | Deformati | Well, I am not a lisp programmer, I just play with it, because it's interesting/fun, but it is definitely not suitable for real projects in my opinion. |
| 23:49.45 | henno | well that pretty much reflect my interest in python at this stage |
| 23:50.06 | henno | i find it very easy to hack around in existing codebases, but to start from scratch, I am lost |
| 23:50.21 | *** join/#maemo pauliukas (n=pauliuka@bas1-montrealak-1128692781.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 23:50.25 | Deformati | Do you know any C syntax language? |
| 23:50.32 | pauliukas | So we've all seen Digg. |
| 23:50.36 | pauliukas | Any negatives about it? |
| 23:50.51 | pauliukas | http://geekpenguin.blogspot.com/2007/09/kde-on-it.html |
| 23:52.05 | henno | Deformati: yes, I am more familiar with C syntax than any other programming 'style' |
| 23:52.21 | henno | gimme braces and semi-colons dammit :) |
| 23:52.28 | procto | c-style = algol style |
| 23:52.42 | Deformati | What C language(s) do you know? |
| 23:54.31 | henno | Deformati: I am fluent in none, but familiar with C++ above anything else |
| 23:54.36 | henno | make no mistake though, I suck at it |
| 23:54.38 | henno | :) |
| 23:54.42 | Deformati | Ah, well, then you will love D. |
| 23:54.48 | Deformati | No one is good at C++ |
| 23:54.52 | Deformati | Except like, walter. |
| 23:55.05 | Deformati | C++ is an ugly beast. :) |
| 23:55.49 | erstazi | heh |
| 23:56.29 | henno | haha |
| 23:56.42 | erstazi | I always thought D was influenced by C++ |
| 23:57.10 | Deformati | Well. |
| 23:57.15 | Deformati | D fixes it. |
| 23:57.34 | Deformati | D has real object orientation. |
| 23:57.46 | Deformati | And nested functions. |
| 23:57.50 | Deformati | Delegates. |
| 23:57.57 | erstazi | yeah I have seen tidbits of D |
| 23:58.00 | Deformati | Perfect array classes. :) |
| 23:58.11 | erstazi | gdc on OS200X, I am not sure, I might have seen a package for it |
| 23:58.25 | erstazi | Deformati: do you have OS2006 or OS2007? |
| 23:58.59 | Deformati | Well, I have not received my 770 as of yet. |
| 23:59.19 | Deformati | RushPL and I plan to get gdc working on the 770, it shouldn't be too difficult. |