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| 00:54.44 | billybobjoe | Is there way to switch keys on the virtual keyboard? I'd like to be able to access the hyphen key without having to shift first. |
| 00:54.56 | billybobjoe | for the 770? |
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| 01:07.57 | pupnik | billybobjoe: if you find an answer pls post it here |
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| 01:13.15 | dsiemon | I don't know about the 770 but there is a - by the 0 in the numpad on the 800 |
| 01:13.42 | dsiemon | I didn't see it there for the first few days. |
| 01:13.43 | disq | billybobjoe: hit the key, keep it pushed in, and do a "up" gesture |
| 01:14.00 | disq | it will/should write the shifted version of that key if you do it right |
| 01:14.04 | billybobjoe | disq, nice! |
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| 01:14.23 | billybobjoe | I new that for the colon but I should have tried it on the equals sign first |
| 01:15.00 | Blacksitox | buenos dias |
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| 02:25.54 | RushPL | hey Deformati :) |
| 02:26.31 | RushPL | I screwed up my built environment, will have to redo it from the start. |
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| 07:02.33 | pyhimys | Anyone tried http://www.opendns.com/ ? |
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| 07:47.15 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 08:39.49 | tobmaster | hi ho |
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| 08:58.22 | pupnik | eat more fruits and vegetables |
| 08:59.38 | lardman | morning |
| 08:59.39 | _Monkey | aloha |
| 09:04.16 | Test_ | good morning lardman !!!!!!!!! But here is good evening. |
| 09:07.58 | lardman | Hi Test_ |
| 09:08.07 | lardman | It's always morning |
| 09:08.09 | lardman | ~ugt |
| 09:08.09 | infobot | rumour has it, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
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| 09:10.26 | Test_ | ok |
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| 09:17.09 | pupnik | heh excellent lardman :) is infobot yours? |
| 09:17.16 | pyhimys | Would it be difficult to port a dyndns-updater for maemo? |
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| 09:18.23 | inz | pyhimys, I would guess trivial |
| 09:18.28 | pna | pyhimys: no, i guess, it's easy as you wrote it |
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| 09:18.59 | pyhimys | Have to try it when I get home |
| 09:19.19 | pyhimys | I'm trying out the opendns |
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| 09:19.29 | pyhimys | it looks nice |
| 09:21.01 | lardman | pupnik: No not mine |
| 09:22.18 | pyhimys | i think it could be used to adblock quite easely |
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| 10:42.32 | florian | good morning |
| 10:51.18 | Jaffa | lo florian |
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| 11:01.36 | pupnik | hi florian |
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| 11:35.19 | robl^ | morning |
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| 11:36.09 | Test_ | Lardman would you like to tell me how can i write a compressed image file to buffer without writing to a file. |
| 11:36.32 | robl^ | is there any other email clients besides the one included in OS2007 or Clawsmail?? |
| 11:37.20 | inz | robl^, there's modest, but I dunno if it's usable or not: http://modest.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 11:38.38 | robl^ | inz: thanks. the default app just doesn't gut it with multiple accounts.. Claws is still a bit too quirky -- so I will check out modest. |
| 11:39.07 | inz | robl^, the default just doesn't gut it, period. |
| 11:39.11 | celesteh | i kind of like the claws ui. not that i've had great luck configuring it |
| 11:39.50 | robl^ | CLaws wouldn't download but maybe 50 IMAP messages.. even though the account had over 300 |
| 11:39.53 | inz | I have successfully tried out claws, but it was only for testing, so I haven't used it over any longer period of time |
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| 11:40.38 | lardman | Test_: With jpeg still? |
| 11:41.09 | lardman | Test_: From my quick read of the source, you are supposed to handle the output by giving a number of callback routines |
| 11:41.27 | lardman | Test_: The output from the jpeg decompressor 'engine', which is abstracted away from the user |
| 11:41.35 | Jaffa | robl^: there's my Sylpheed port, but it's even more quirky than Claws (Claws came along and stole my thunder) |
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| 11:42.13 | lardman | Test_: The source supplied the stdout output code, which allows one to open a file and write to that handle, all you need to do is copy that code and instead of opening and writing to a file, write to a buffer |
| 11:42.42 | robl^ | We just need Thunderbird ported ;-) |
| 11:43.13 | tobmaster | bergie: ping |
| 11:43.17 | tobmaster | :) |
| 11:43.22 | bergie | pong |
| 11:43.46 | tobmaster | bergie: query? |
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| 11:45.12 | Test_ | Lard man then i no need to use "jpeg_stdio_dest(&cinfo, outfile);" ? |
| 11:45.23 | Test_ | Right? |
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| 11:45.51 | lardman | Test_: Correct, you need to provide your own jpeg_buffer_dest() function I imagine |
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| 11:46.11 | lardman | Test_: Which does much the same as that stdio one - I'm assuming that's one of the callbacks? |
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| 11:47.39 | Test_ | stdio and _dest both take "FILE * outfile" |
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| 11:49.00 | Test_ | jpeg_stdio_dest(&cinfo, outfile); |
| 11:50.55 | lardman | Test_: Have you read the section about "Destination managers" in the libjpeg.doc file in the source tarball? |
| 11:51.16 | lardman | Test_: The full section title is "Compressed data handling (source and destination managers)" |
| 11:52.45 | Test_ | ya. But i don get anything to output to buffer without wring to outfile |
| 11:53.10 | Test_ | to write output to buffer |
| 11:57.17 | lardman | Test_: I've just had another look at djpeg.c |
| 11:57.47 | lardman | Test_: You may get away with just altering stuff in the while loop at L582 |
| 11:58.14 | lardman | Test_: cinfo exists, but you want to do without a dest_mgr |
| 11:58.58 | lardman | Test_: It looks like the jpeg_read_scanlines() function copies data from the JPEG internal buffer (which you could access directly as it's in cinfo I think) to some buffer |
| 11:59.47 | lardman | Test_: I'd see what this function does, how it signals the JPEG engine that it's taken the data (i.e. updating a pointer) and do this yourself |
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| 12:00.06 | lardman | Test_: The pointer being in the cinfo struct I imagine |
| 12:00.15 | Test_ | ya |
| 12:01.30 | Test_ | but before _start_compress i must do " jpeg_stdio_dest(&cinfo, outfile);" |
| 12:01.31 | lardman | Test_: example.c looks even better - it has a function called read_JPEG_file() which looks like it reads it into a buffer |
| 12:01.52 | lardman | Test_: No, you don;t need to setup the destination manager |
| 12:01.55 | Test_ | ya i m working with example.c |
| 12:02.16 | lardman | well it does what you want |
| 12:02.19 | lardman | no output file |
| 12:02.23 | Test_ | ya |
| 12:02.28 | lardman | I'd not seen that before as I only had a quick look |
| 12:03.04 | Test_ | can you tell me please how can i do it. |
| 12:03.39 | lardman | it's in that function in example.c |
| 12:04.24 | Test_ | but in example.c there is no other way without initializing " jpeg_stdio_dest(&cinfo, outfile);" |
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| 12:05.10 | lardman | That occurs in a function named write_JPEG_file() |
| 12:05.29 | lardman | I thought you wanted to decompress JPEGS? |
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| 12:05.48 | Test_ | nooooooo. i want to compress |
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| 12:07.40 | Test_ | gtg |
| 12:07.45 | Test_ | bye |
| 12:07.47 | lardman | bye |
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| 12:45.43 | MoRpHeUz | kulve: hey! =) |
| 12:45.59 | kulve | hey |
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| 12:51.28 | DRoBeR | Hello, people. :) |
| 12:51.42 | DRoBeR | Good evening. |
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| 12:52.27 | robl^ | evening?!?!? I'm still working on my morning coffee |
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| 12:55.11 | DRoBeR | Well, 15:00h in Spain... let's say "good day" :P |
| 12:56.52 | robl^ | 07:56 here. ;-) Darn internets connecting people from around the tiny planet |
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| 12:59.03 | inz | Let's boycott the intertubes |
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| 13:03.27 | DRoBeR | Is this channel/room multilanguage or English is the only one allowed language? :) |
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| 13:06.49 | pupnik_ | your chances of getting help are best with english, but there is no prohibition on other languages |
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| 13:56.41 | DRoBeR | Thanks for your reply, pupnik_. |
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| 14:03.22 | inz | =) |
| 14:10.39 | lardman | derf: Another annoying ogg question for you ;) |
| 14:11.26 | lardman | derf: The number of channels and samplerate data are contained in the vorbis headers aren't they? |
| 14:11.49 | lardman | derf: I ask because they are referenced from both vf and vi, and I was trying to work out why |
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| 14:18.44 | derf | lardman: Yes, they're contained in the first header. |
| 14:19.49 | lardman | derf: Thanks |
| 14:20.00 | derf | Yer welcome. |
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| 14:41.52 | lardman | derf: Another one - if a mid-stream packet is not audio, what is the decoder supposed to do? |
| 14:42.22 | lardman | derf: I could either ignore it, or reset the decoder |
| 14:44.09 | derf | lardman: If it has the same serial number as the current stream, then it is an error. |
| 14:44.37 | lardman | derf: So in either case I'd need to reset the decoder |
| 14:44.40 | lardman | derf: Good |
| 14:44.43 | derf | If it has a new serial number, then it's a chain boundary, and you reset the decoder. |
| 14:47.02 | disq | what are you guys decoding? ogg in dsp? |
| 14:47.09 | lardman | yeah, writing some code |
| 14:47.18 | disq | nice :) |
| 14:47.34 | lardman | we'll see, feels like I'm nearly there, but that means little ;) |
| 14:47.44 | disq | so i take it ogg doesn't have information frames in the stream? |
| 14:47.58 | lardman | the first 3 packets contain the decoder info |
| 14:48.20 | lardman | all audio packets after that contain data, that thankfully I don't fiddle with - it's used by the decoder |
| 14:48.29 | disq | by information i meant something user-supplied. like change the song title mid-stream, change the image, sync'ed lyrics (id3 has them?) |
| 14:48.53 | lardman | no, I think they are all in the second packet |
| 14:48.55 | disq | though i guess id3thingy filters them before the decoder |
| 14:49.15 | lardman | but derf knows about ogg vorbis, I just decided it would be a useful thing to hack at on the dsp |
| 14:49.34 | lardman | can mp3s have extra data part way through? |
| 14:49.56 | disq | id3 supports them, so i'm guessing yeah |
| 14:50.03 | lardman | oh right |
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| 14:50.31 | disq | never written any code to support that though :) |
| 14:50.56 | derf | disq: Ogg supports chained files, which allow you to change anything (sample rate, number of channels, metadata) at chain boundaries. |
| 14:51.08 | disq | ah |
| 14:51.34 | derf | If you want to embed lyrics, Annodex has a CMML spec for that, but that requires a separate, non-Vorbis stream. |
| 14:51.43 | derf | Which only recent versions of libogg know enough to ignore. |
| 14:51.58 | derf | Recent versions of libvorbisfile, I mean. |
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| 15:07.25 | GS | hi |
| 15:07.37 | GS | someone know some repository for gpsd? |
| 15:07.52 | GS | i try with maemo-hackers but not install |
| 15:08.56 | GS | and gpsdrive? what is the repository? |
| 15:09.03 | GS | i can't find it |
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| 15:20.42 | DRoBeR | I'm still trying to get the af-init.sh script :P |
| 15:20.58 | DRoBeR | Ben vindo de novo, vivijim. ;P |
| 15:26.31 | monteslu | GS, any reason you're not just using maemomapper? |
| 15:29.47 | lardman | kulve: You about? |
| 15:30.31 | lardman | kulve: With Speex, in the allocation routines, did you pass task to them each time so that they knew where the pre-allocated data slab was? |
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| 15:48.20 | pupnik_ | just need to use mplayer -display :0 |
| 15:51.59 | kulve | lardman: ping |
| 15:53.32 | kulve | lardman: it's just a global char array[FEW_KILOS]; and couple of global pointers to book keeping |
| 15:53.46 | kulve | and it doesn't do free |
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| 15:56.21 | lardman | kulve: Does it use the dspgateway? |
| 15:57.05 | lardman | kulve: if so, can one use global data? I thought it had to be pointed to by the task->udata pointer |
| 15:57.27 | lardman | or contained within a struct that it points to |
| 15:57.41 | kulve | hmm.. I actuallu have pointers to the global arrays in task->udata and I was wondering why I couldn't use them directly.. |
| 15:58.07 | kulve | I didn't try to use them directly, I was just wondering |
| 15:58.17 | lardman | yes, I have that too, arrays are declared as global static |
| 15:58.39 | lardman | but the 'heap' must either be pointed at, or just global? |
| 15:59.10 | lardman | s/'heap'/'heap' formed using the char array |
| 16:00.30 | kulve | http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blogstuff/speex-dspgw-20070831.diff |
| 16:00.53 | kulve | on line 151 I set the book keeping pointers |
| 16:01.11 | kulve | 178: I set the udata pointers to global arrays |
| 16:01.40 | kulve | 100: I define the arrays |
| 16:02.10 | kulve | so actually they are not global but static. The pointers are global |
| 16:03.04 | kulve | 676: I "reserve" a peace of memory |
| 16:03.12 | lardman | okay, and these global pointers must still be accessible presumably otherwise you'd need to pass a pointer to them |
| 16:03.48 | kulve | line 623: extern pointers |
| 16:03.51 | lardman | a pointer to them to the speex_alloc() routines that is |
| 16:04.23 | lardman | yep, okay |
| 16:05.00 | lardman | I wonder how this works? Does anyone know about memory layout/positioning of global data? |
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| 16:40.09 | GS | someone use gpsdrive on maemo 0s6 n770? |
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| 16:45.27 | Blacksitox | buenos dias |
| 16:45.54 | GS | Blacksitox, hola |
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| 16:49.58 | Blacksitox | hola GS ¿Como estas? |
| 16:50.15 | GS | bien intentando meterle gpsdrive |
| 16:50.37 | Blacksitox | GS, ¿De donde eres? |
| 16:51.03 | GS | de andalucia |
| 16:52.12 | Blacksitox | vaya, GS tienes el .. ? n800 o 770 |
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| 16:52.45 | GS | 770 |
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| 17:04.39 | Blacksitox | GS, quiero pillar un LD-3W o 1W, pero tengo una duda, donde viajo no hay inet, osea que como lo podrÃa usar ? |
| 17:04.46 | Blacksitox | vamos, me refiero a usarlo con mapper |
| 17:04.58 | Blacksitox | igual podrÃa trazar rutas y demas ? |
| 17:09.18 | GS | claro |
| 17:09.30 | GS | teniendo los mapas descargados |
| 17:10.03 | GS | yo asi lo uso bien |
| 17:10.14 | GS | descargo mapas y luego pues con el gps voy viendo donde estoy |
| 17:12.46 | saaib | s/receibed/received/ |
| 17:22.54 | Blacksitox | GS, bueno, gracias, y que mas le haz hecho a tu cacharro ? |
| 17:25.33 | GS | Blacksitox, kismet maemo-mapper aircrack y poco mas |
| 17:25.58 | Blacksitox | yo en el n800 no puedo instalar kismet :\ |
| 17:26.29 | GS | lo se, instale en el 770 el SO07HE y no podia |
| 17:26.29 | GS | jeje |
| 17:27.05 | saaib | GS, instalaste SI2007HE en 770 sin ningun problema? |
| 17:27.17 | GS | sin ningun problema va bastante bien |
| 17:27.28 | GS | creo que mas rapido que SO06 |
| 17:27.39 | GS | solo que no disponia del kismet |
| 17:27.48 | GS | que era algo esencial para el uso que le voy a dar |
| 17:27.56 | Blacksitox | ahh y regresaste a la 2006 ? |
| 17:28.00 | GS | si |
| 17:28.07 | Blacksitox | GS, haz pensado en portar algo para maemo ? |
| 17:28.23 | GS | intente instalar los dos con el menuboot pero me lié y no lo consegui hacer arrancar |
| 17:28.54 | GS | Blacksitox, pues en cuanto me acomode, que llevo unos dias nada mas estaria bien |
| 17:29.05 | GS | netdiscover, empaquetar ettercap ... |
| 17:29.05 | Blacksitox | recién te lo haz pillado ? |
| 17:29.15 | GS | si hace 10 dias o asi |
| 17:29.49 | Blacksitox | yo quisiera portar algo, pero mi ingles es malo, y no entiendo mucho los howtos de la página de maemo |
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| 17:30.06 | GS | no se ve muy dificil hacer un paquete |
| 17:30.10 | GS | todo es ponerse |
| 17:30.23 | GS | eso si intente instalar el gcc o el make y no me dejaba jeje |
| 17:30.35 | saaib | siempre y cuando no requira cambios en la interfaz de usuario |
| 17:30.46 | GS | supongo que tendria que bajarme la herramienta de emulacion de ARM en el pc y ir impaquetando |
| 17:30.51 | Blacksitox | GS, quiero portar el rp-pppoe :P |
| 17:31.23 | GS | adelante ;) |
| 17:31.31 | Blacksitox | sip, mas adelante ;) |
| 17:31.44 | GS | saaib, has probado el gps en la 770? |
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| 17:31.59 | GS | me ha llegado hoy jeje |
| 17:32.04 | GS | y estoy trasteando |
| 17:32.06 | Blacksitox | GS, cual ? |
| 17:32.10 | Blacksitox | que modelo |
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| 17:34.04 | GS | uno generico de ebay me lo he pillado |
| 17:34.12 | GS | supongo ke cualquiera valdra no? |
| 17:34.13 | GS | jeje |
| 17:34.40 | GS | voy arriba a ver como va el gps |
| 17:36.42 | Blacksitox | GS, pues supongo que si, tu nos contarás, asi me pillo uno mas varato que el ld-3s |
| 17:36.51 | Blacksitox | ld-3w |
| 17:38.31 | saaib | GS, no lo he probado todavia. estuve leyendo y preparando mi ambiente de desarrollo, para cuando estube listo mi 770 se jodio y la pantalla dejo de funcionar |
| 17:38.57 | saaib | la mande al servicio de reparacion de nokia y hoy la han recibido, asi que espero que pronto la arreglen y la manden de regreso |
| 17:39.46 | Fatal | habla korv och surströmming |
| 17:41.01 | tso | http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/10/new-gp2x-system-in-development/ <- hmm, interesting. same screen rez as the 770 and N800, linux. whats the chance of it getting og having microb out of the box? |
| 17:42.25 | Blacksitox | saaib, joder y que le ha pasado ? |
| 17:42.33 | Blacksitox | o haciendo que cosa ? |
| 17:42.47 | Fatal | Blacksitox: en gång såg jag en liten fågel |
| 17:43.04 | suihkulokki | habla inglese |
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| 17:45.02 | GS | el gps con memo-mapepr va muy bien |
| 17:45.14 | Fatal | GS: en natt hade jag tratt som hatt |
| 17:45.28 | GS | aaa metal slug with xmame on 770 work slowly |
| 17:45.39 | GS | ;-/ |
| 17:45.42 | GS | Fatal, butten |
| 17:46.17 | GS | Blacksitox, the generic gps works perfect with maemo-mapper |
| 17:46.43 | Blacksitox | GS, model ? |
| 17:47.36 | TonyMaro | I've got the wackiest issue with gtk events in a component I'm working on... A button_release event calls back to code in the user's application. If that code destroys the widget and creates a new one, it screws with future event reporting. |
| 17:47.44 | TonyMaro | in python that |
| 17:47.45 | TonyMaro | is |
| 17:48.05 | GS | http://cgi.ebay.es/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=330160305532&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=014 <- this |
| 17:48.06 | saaib | Blacksitox, despues de reiniciar la 770 la pantalla muestra lineas grises y azules. |
| 17:48.35 | Fatal | saaib: jag känner en liten pojke vid namn sören |
| 17:48.47 | GS | Fatal, don't worry |
| 17:48.48 | GS | :P |
| 17:48.59 | Fatal | I never worry |
| 17:49.18 | GS | ;) |
| 17:49.25 | `0660 | olkaas ny |
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| 17:50.31 | saaib | fatal-, what? |
| 17:50.34 | GS | Blacksitox, how much money n800? cuanto te costo en cristiano |
| 17:50.34 | saaib | :) |
| 17:50.59 | GS | estoy por pillarme una pero no se si merece la pena |
| 17:51.35 | Mikho | una cerveza por favor |
| 17:51.38 | Fatal | GS: ibland undrar jag om folk på internet är dummare än de luktar |
| 17:51.57 | GS | Mikho, jajaja |
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| 17:55.34 | Sara | anybody from minimo? |
| 17:55.43 | GS | ke te pasa con minimo? |
| 17:55.47 | GS | Fatal, ;) |
| 17:56.34 | Sara | Iinstalled minimo on my N800, and I was wondering about the size. |
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| 17:57.21 | Sara | First time I installed, it said downloading 5MB, but after the installation, the free space went down by 6.2MB |
| 17:57.45 | Sara | and installed Applications size went up by 11.1 MB. |
| 17:58.00 | GS | apt-get clean |
| 17:58.09 | Sara | Does this 11.1 MB include 6.2 M or total is 11 + 6.2? |
| 18:00.49 | Sulis | are there any 3rd party batteries that work in the n800? |
| 18:01.08 | gla55_ | some afaik |
| 18:01.18 | gla55_ | check which nokia phones use the same batt |
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| 18:02.04 | Sulis | and...are there any that actually provide a longer charge? |
| 18:04.29 | Blacksitox | GS, a mi me salio 500 Sus, pero puesto en mi paÃs (Bolivia) me lo trajo un amigo :) |
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| 18:04.55 | GS | 500 Sus? eso en euros cuanto es? |
| 18:04.56 | GS | jeje |
| 18:05.58 | Blacksitox | GS, emm 450 € aprox. |
| 18:06.15 | GS | sus dolares? |
| 18:06.15 | Blacksitox | pero si eres de europa lo encurntras por 350 € creo, en ebay y esos lugares |
| 18:06.29 | GS | pero merece la pena? |
| 18:06.31 | Blacksitox | GS, yes, SuS is dollars |
| 18:06.56 | Blacksitox | GS, pues si que vale la pena, yo lo uso para todo |
| 18:07.25 | GS | pues igual ke yo la 770 |
| 18:07.44 | Blacksitox | entonces no cambies |
| 18:07.45 | GS | lo unico ke es mas rapida |
| 18:08.00 | Blacksitox | si, pero no para cambiarla |
| 18:08.13 | Blacksitox | GS, mejor espera la n900 (si es que sale) |
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| 18:56.58 | |ZoRo| | hi to everyone from Italy |
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| 19:02.00 | |ZoRo| | I have noticed the N800 in very strong about multitasking... just for experimenting I tried opening as much apps as possible... I ended up with 45 apps open and mp3 music in background and everything went fine.... |
| 19:02.47 | |ZoRo| | It's almost unbelievable that such a small device can handle such a job |
| 19:03.06 | |ZoRo| | Now I realize I have wasted my time with smartphones :)) |
| 19:11.03 | |ZoRo| | anyone here uses xchat for maemo? I have some glitches |
| 19:15.09 | ||cw | |ZoRo|: it has dedicated DSP's for a few things, like mp3 playing and video |
| 19:15.48 | ||cw | not video decoding, but the display itself |
| 19:15.55 | ||cw | hardware accelerated |
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| 19:20.02 | |ZoRo| | yep I knew that |
| 19:20.09 | |ZoRo| | I'm kind of a tech geek |
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| 19:20.32 | |ZoRo| | but I wouldn't have thought it could keep 45 apps up and running at the same time |
| 19:20.51 | |ZoRo| | the best smartphone I had would top out at 22-23 apps |
| 19:21.06 | |ZoRo| | and the avergae smartphone would die at 5 or 6 |
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| 19:23.30 | danilo | Hi guys.. How can I edit pages from http://my_project.garage.maemo.org ? I didn't receive any user or password to do that.... |
| 19:23.36 | ||cw | do you have a swapfile ? |
| 19:23.49 | |ZoRo| | yes, 128 mb swap file |
| 19:24.10 | ||cw | there you got then, winmo doesn't use a swapfile |
| 19:24.27 | |ZoRo| | hehe I'm talking about symbian |
| 19:24.35 | |ZoRo| | I don0t get on well with winmo |
| 19:24.48 | ||cw | i doubt it has one either |
| 19:24.52 | |ZoRo| | imho winmo was designed by a team of dumbasses :) |
| 19:25.13 | ||cw | yeah, using sram for storage... what the hell were they thinking |
| 19:25.14 | |ZoRo| | yes, no swapfile on symbian |
| 19:25.14 | derf | danilo: You check them into svn. Under www/ |
| 19:25.46 | danilo | derf: Thanks! |
| 19:26.06 | |ZoRo| | anyhow if you have a *FAST* internal sd card |
| 19:26.42 | |ZoRo| | you don't notice any slowness when the ram is filled up and the sistem starts to use the swap file |
| 19:27.16 | |ZoRo| | if you have a cheap vanilla sd card you notice quite some slowness instead |
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| 20:28.16 | luke_ | Hey, the browser on my n770 segfault s when i start it, byt only when i boot from the mmc card - anyone seen this before |
| 20:30.40 | keesj | did you ty to fsck the file system? |
| 20:31.34 | luke_ | Does that format it, or check it? |
| 20:31.45 | keesj | check |
| 20:33.02 | luke_ | Can i do that whilst its mounted? |
| 20:33.32 | keesj | no the best thing it to put it in a card reader and run it from there |
| 20:33.38 | pupnik | runs fine from mmc here |
| 20:34.08 | luke_ | Yeah, it used to run fine but stoppeed |
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| 20:34.35 | luke_ | I'm abroad for a few weeks so don't have a pc |
| 20:34.58 | keesj | does dmesg tell you anything? |
| 20:36.11 | luke_ | Nope |
| 20:36.44 | luke_ | It just seg faults when i try to run it |
| 20:39.00 | luke_ | I'll try fscking the card |
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| 21:13.23 | celesteh | so if i copy a mono application binary to a memory card on my n800, it should run, provided that i have the right mono stuff installed? |
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| 21:19.57 | toed | there's a pretty embarrassing spelling mistake in maemo blocks, any idea where I could report it? |
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| 21:24.26 | tru_ | is there a "better" terminal for maemo than the osso-terminal? it seems to waste a lot of space... |
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| 21:28.10 | roope | toed: bugzilla. |
| 21:28.10 | _Monkey | bugzilla is, like, https://bugs.maemo.org/index.cgi |
| 21:29.35 | celesteh | vmware is opensource. ergo, i should be able to use it without having to make a purchase? |
| 21:29.44 | pupnik | tru_: can you clarify wasted space? do you mean the border around terminal window? |
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| 22:13.27 | touchtone | hi guys! im just starting this process and im having a bit of trouble, when i try and start xephyr using the af-sb-init.sh start command it gives me a bunch of errors; Å•unner no such directory... can anyone help me ? |
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| 22:19.53 | touchtone | hi guys! im just starting this process and im having a bit of trouble, when i try and start xephyr using the af-sb-init.sh start command it gives me a bunch of errors; Å•unner no such directory... can anyone help me ? |
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| 22:20.40 | celesteh | what is the contents of the .sh script? |
| 22:21.06 | touchtone | well, i dont really know |
| 22:21.18 | touchtone | i can start xephyr outside of sbox fine |
| 22:22.02 | celesteh | i don't know what xephr is, but if you're getting a no such directory error, there might be something amiss with the script. like it could be referencing a directory which doesn't exist |
| 22:22.14 | touchtone | im following a tutorial off maemo.org about launce by defaulthing the application framework.... it hadnt meantioned creating a sh script so I had assumed it was ther |
| 22:22.22 | touchtone | xephyr is a window manager |
| 22:23.57 | celesteh | if you're running the script, then the script itself must exist. however, it could be trying to access something else which does not |
| 22:24.10 | touchtone | im trying to develop a maemo app for a nokia 770 device, is there an easier way than through sbox |
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| 22:24.52 | celesteh | some folks write stuff in python directly on the 770 |
| 22:25.24 | touchtone | the script itself appears to launch, howver it seems to have problems loading maemo desktop, matchbox window manager etc... |
| 22:25.39 | celesteh | and it's possible to write mono apps which run on the n800/770, but i'm having trouble with that |
| 22:26.02 | touchtone | hmmm.... |
| 22:26.05 | celesteh | but most development uses scratchbox which is an extra pain in the ass for me on a macintosh :( |
| 22:26.32 | touchtone | scratchbox doesnt load under osx? |
| 22:26.38 | celesteh | nope. only linux |
| 22:27.11 | celesteh | some of the libs it wants are tied to the kernel |
| 22:27.12 | touchtone | have you tried through terminal, osx is darwin linux... for fear of repeating somehting you may know... |
| 22:27.35 | touchtone | im talking about something for which i know very little so please excuse... ;) |
| 22:27.39 | celesteh | i tried compiling it, but couldn't compile all the dependencies. i gave up after many, many hours |
| 22:27.56 | touchtone | ah |
| 22:27.56 | celesteh | so, i'm trying to download an image for an emulator right now. |
| 22:27.58 | celesteh | anyway |
| 22:28.16 | touchtone | that would be my next suggestion, run it on a virtual machine like parralells |
| 22:28.42 | celesteh | i'm evaluating VMWare fusion right now. hopefully, it will work |
| 22:29.14 | touchtone | well good luck |
| 22:29.29 | celesteh | anyway, i don't know anything about your problem, but when i'm debugging, i usually start with the launching script |
| 22:30.07 | celesteh | there should be less (or more) for scratchbox, so you can view the contents |
| 22:37.17 | celesteh | well, it is unix, even if it's not linux |
| 22:37.41 | henno | darwin is darwin, if nothing else it is a flavor of bsd |
| 22:38.02 | celesteh | it is bsd, yes. the next version will be certified as unix |
| 22:38.16 | henno | but doesn't have much in common with the linux kernel beyond it's unix-like structure |
| 22:38.56 | celesteh | no, a bunch of the libs are really different, which is why scratchbox won't compile |
| 22:39.25 | celesteh | the mach kernel, developed at CMU in the 80's originally did bsd emulation |
| 22:40.05 | celesteh | sometime between NeXTSTEP 3.x and Mac OS X, they dropped mach in favor of real bsd |
| 22:40.23 | henno | darwin still has some roots in the mach microkernel does it not? |
| 22:40.43 | Deformati | A lot of roots. |
| 22:40.48 | Deformati | ;p |
| 22:40.53 | henno | best move they ever did |
| 22:41.04 | celesteh | i don't know. i haven't seen mach mentioned at all in any docs for os x |
| 22:41.27 | celesteh | all the man pages talk about bsd. so i was assuming they dropped it |
| 22:41.46 | celesteh | hate if you want. its an extremely reliable unix machine |
| 22:41.56 | henno | hmm.. maybe I am fill of it and just getting confused, but I somewhat remember discussing the mach elements burried somewhere in darwin |
| 22:42.08 | henno | but many a beer has been through this brain since then, so meh |
| 22:42.16 | Deformati | "We love OSS, look how much we use" "what have you given back?" "Give back? What do you mean?" |
| 22:42.17 | celesteh | i would not be at all surprised. it's trippy running nextstep again |
| 22:42.46 | Deformati | Mac, making us pay for free software since osx. ;) |
| 22:43.32 | celesteh | darwin is floss, but the window manager and whatnot are not |
| 22:43.44 | henno | in their defense, they have contributed a bit of work upstream to the KHTML devs |
| 22:44.05 | Deformati | They discontinued opendarwin. |
| 22:44.19 | Deformati | They cannot be defended. |
| 22:44.35 | celesteh | i know i should care . . . |
| 22:44.48 | celesteh | it's just so nice having a computer that actually works |
| 22:45.03 | celesteh | i don't have to hack on it or struggle with it. it just works |
| 22:45.21 | Deformati | Linux works fine for me, then again, it took me a few weeks to learn back when I started. |
| 22:45.22 | celesteh | (unlike certain tablet pcs which are something of a time sink) |
| 22:45.23 | touchtone | ill second that, not a single problem with osx software wise so far |
| 22:45.32 | Deformati | Ever since then, I have never had anything I struggled with really. |
| 22:45.56 | henno | my computer works, and has worked for 6 years :) |
| 22:46.01 | celesteh | yeah. i do audio production and computer music. i've heard rumors that this is actually possible now on linux |
| 22:46.12 | Deformati | henno: proc? |
| 22:46.23 | Deformati | I have had amd athlon xp for 6 years. |
| 22:46.59 | henno | Deformati: I agree, I am actually more 'lost' within a windows or mac envirnment these days |
| 22:47.21 | henno | s/thlon/athlon/ |
| 22:47.22 | Deformati | :D |
| 22:47.25 | Deformati | High five. |
| 22:47.29 | henno | 2100xp |
| 22:47.39 | Deformati | Dude!! |
| 22:47.46 | Deformati | You are an archer too! |
| 22:47.50 | Deformati | :D |
| 22:47.58 | celesteh | i will put linux on my intel mac in the future. |
| 22:48.00 | saaib | My AMD Athlon 1800 last forever! |
| 22:48.16 | henno | I can't bring myself to get rid of it, it just keeps going and going, and I do not need dual core super GHz multi-cpu systems for my purposes |
| 22:48.30 | henno | indeed I am |
| 22:48.44 | Deformati | I think I have an 1800, don't remember |
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| 22:49.15 | Deformati | Arch is great. |
| 22:49.22 | celesteh | ok, time for me to sleep |
| 22:49.24 | henno | Deformati: only a recent-ish convert actually - switched to arch from slackware |
| 22:49.35 | celesteh | is slackware still around? |
| 22:49.40 | Deformati | That's cool. |
| 22:49.49 | Deformati | I have been an archer for over a year now. |
| 22:50.19 | henno | celesteh: of course it is |
| 22:50.22 | celesteh | is arch like slackware? |
| 22:50.25 | Deformati | No. |
| 22:50.32 | henno | I have been on arch for maybe 6 months |
| 22:50.43 | celesteh | everybody is running ubuntu these days, but compiling the kernel on it is craptastic |
| 22:50.50 | henno | before that it was slackware, and before that it was redhat 7.1 :P |
| 22:51.01 | henno | well, it does use a BSD-style init script system |
| 22:51.12 | celesteh | but if you don't compile the kernel, it's just as bloated as micr$oft |
| 22:51.22 | touchtone | can anyone help me getting xephyr running in sandbox |
| 22:51.33 | celesteh | ok, now i sleep |
| 22:51.35 | touchtone | scratchbox |
| 22:51.36 | celesteh | night all |
| 22:51.36 | _Monkey | scratchbox is a cross-compilation toolkit for maemo application development. Homepage: http://www.scratchbox.org/ Maemo 3.x (bora/N800) tutorial: http://qurl.org/yN Maemo 2.2 (gregale/770) tutorial: http://qurl.org/zN A walkthrough for 3.x: http://qurl.org/0O Scratchbox Downloads: http://qurl.org/1O |
| 22:51.37 | touchtone | haha |
| 22:51.43 | henno | the reason I originally went slackware back in 99 or 200 or some such was because the vanilla kernel works perfectly |
| 22:52.04 | henno | s/200/2000/ |
| 22:52.09 | Deformati | Arch used to support vanilla kernel, I don't know about the current status of it. |
| 22:52.58 | henno | Deformati: the vanilla kernel on arch works fine (at least for me) |
| 22:53.20 | henno | I am in love with the fakeroot/makepkg system |
| 22:53.30 | Deformati | Yeah, it's great. |
| 22:53.34 | henno | so easy to build my own packages |
| 22:53.36 | saaib | touchtone, you're not forced to run Xephyr inside scratchbox... all you need is an X display where to send your apps from scratchbox |
| 22:53.51 | Deformati | Unfortunate that the 770 is debian based |
| 22:54.43 | Deformati | So, what is the 770 missing? What can I make for it? The first thing I am going to need to do is get the d programming language up and running on ARM. |
| 22:55.15 | saaib | Deformati, you mean the compiler? |
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| 22:56.20 | touchtone | im running through the tutorial on v2.2 and i have no other way of getting into the enviroment without it... |
| 22:57.16 | Deformati | saaib: yes. |
| 22:57.32 | Deformati | What else is needed? |
| 22:57.34 | saaib | touchtone, well, the tutorial is a little screwed afaik, but if you have Xephyr in your host, you can just run: Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 800x480x16 -dpi 96 -ac |
| 22:57.47 | Deformati | I have fairly extensive experience in the X11 protocol. |
| 22:58.03 | saaib | Deformati, setup your enviroment as the Maemo tutorial (v2.2) states. |
| 22:58.16 | Deformati | Does the 770 follow the icccm? |
| 22:59.06 | touchtone | i can get xephyr to run outside of scratchbox, when it starts however it complains about could not find font element |
| 23:01.08 | touchtone | what i am after is to create a simple button gui is scratch the bestway to go ahead with that |
| 23:06.27 | saaib | touchtone, go ahead and compile your code inside scratchbox, before running the binary, don't forget to set DISPLAY=:2 |
| 23:15.02 | pupnik | touchtone: you run xephyr outside of scratchbox |
| 23:15.16 | pupnik | always |
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