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| 00:11.23 | Blacksitox | buenos dias |
| 00:14.01 | tru_ | buenas noches. |
| 00:16.12 | Blacksitox | hola tru_ |
| 00:23.13 | tru_ | hola |
| 00:23.50 | Blacksitox | tru_, hablas español ? |
| 00:25.07 | tru_ | si. |
| 00:26.09 | Blacksitox | tru_, ¿De donde eres? |
| 00:26.22 | tru_ | suecia, pero vivo en madrid. |
| 00:29.39 | Blacksitox | tru_, y tu, ¿Tienes un... n800? |
| 00:30.08 | tru_ | si :) |
| 00:31.49 | Blacksitox | tru_, y que tal ? ahora le he instalado un rep. multimedia.KAGU, esta muy bueno :P |
| 00:32.54 | tru_ | a me gusta mucho! uso para un poco programacion con pymaemo. |
| 00:34.02 | tru_ | funciona bien con mi celular tambien. puedo usar el 3g de yoigo sin problemas :) |
| 00:34.33 | Blacksitox | ah que bien, yo lo uso para todo, para todo un poco :P |
| 00:35.22 | Blacksitox | quisiera portar una app a maemo, pero lo malo es que mi ingles es malo, no he podido leerme las guias :( |
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| 02:36.50 | bedboi | hi there. |
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| 04:37.18 | setite | wtf |
| 04:37.21 | setite | why wont canola stream shit |
| 04:37.27 | setite | it never streams anything from orb |
| 04:37.30 | setite | always errors |
| 05:14.50 | rev | hey |
| 05:15.01 | rev | can you flash an OS image on an N800 from an Intel OS X machine? |
| 05:15.24 | rev | i ask because |
| 05:15.25 | rev | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php |
| 05:15.35 | rev | there's no intel binary |
| 05:15.54 | rev | mind you, i've seen a fair bit of PPC bins work fine on intel os x machines |
| 05:16.02 | rev | but for something like this it makes me a little paranoid |
| 05:16.30 | rev | also, do you need a special N800 flasher? where to find one for OS X? |
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| 05:25.14 | pupnik | n800 -> flasher 3.0 iirc |
| 05:25.15 | pupnik | flasher? |
| 05:25.16 | _Monkey | flasher is available from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com |
| 05:25.35 | rev | hrmm |
| 05:25.39 | rev | so no flasher for OS X then |
| 05:25.55 | rev | there's no way to flash an N800 with a file on an SD card? |
| 05:26.30 | rev | at least the xp i've installed on another partition will be handy for something! :) |
| 05:26.34 | pupnik | not heard of one |
| 05:28.02 | rev | a shame, maybe on the next IT |
| 05:28.21 | rev | it's a handy thing, that's how i flash all sorts of things, from my OLPC to my gameboy flash cart's OS/ROM |
| 05:28.22 | rev | :) |
| 05:28.41 | rev | doesn't take any special OS etc |
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| 05:42.17 | pupnik | i doubt you could flash to a mounted filesystem - with multiboot you can easily 'flash' images though |
| 05:42.36 | rev | not to a mounted filesystem |
| 05:43.10 | pupnik | yes, but having 2-3 filesystems to boot from makes that a lot easier |
| 05:43.14 | rev | the wayi t works on these other devices is there must be some other metabios sort of software that does nothing more than 1) reading fat32 rom SD and 2) copying from a .bin file into flash ROM |
| 05:43.28 | pupnik | yeah |
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| 07:56.02 | Lynoure | The maemo repositories are being very slow for me today |
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| 08:25.10 | Lynoure | So slow it is half of the time impossible to get the indexes and all of the time impossible to install evince |
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| 08:49.56 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 08:57.02 | pupnik | salve |
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| 09:05.05 | Lynoure | Is there a button-only way in N800 to get to the Application menu? |
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| 09:11.23 | milhouse | you mean the navigation menu? |
| 09:12.03 | milhouse | application menu being the menu specific to each application, which can be accessed using the Menu button or tapping the stylus in the title bar area (unless I've gotten the names wrong) |
| 09:12.29 | Lynoure | I'm not sure what it is called. The menu where you can choose which application to open |
| 09:12.37 | milhouse | there's no specific button to access the navigation menu |
| 09:12.38 | Lynoure | s/open/opened |
| 09:12.45 | Jaffa | milhouse: I'm about to rant a bit more at Texrat ;-) |
| 09:12.58 | milhouse | about ipods? |
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| 09:13.16 | Jaffa | Mostly about head-in-sandedness |
| 09:13.28 | milhouse | if so i'd say it's been done to death... there's two sides to it |
| 09:13.33 | Lynoure | That's a pity. Makes this device a paperweight if the touchscreen ever stops registering touches (N770 you can still use for non-writing things) |
| 09:13.41 | Jaffa | milhouse: true |
| 09:13.42 | milhouse | i've said more than enough :) |
| 09:13.59 | keesj | hi |
| 09:14.45 | Lynoure | Hmm, my RSS Reader no longer starts |
| 09:15.12 | keesj | milhouse: is your device screen not registering touches any more? |
| 09:15.17 | milhouse | lynoure: probably a dodgey feed |
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| 09:15.34 | milhouse | keesj: fine since i sent it in for repair |
| 09:15.41 | roope | You can rant to me, also. :) |
| 09:15.51 | milhouse | that was before 4.2007 came out and fixed it in software |
| 09:15.52 | roope | Goes perhaps better into the right destination. |
| 09:16.01 | Lynoure | milhouse: I have not added any feeds, just removed one of them (CNN Sports) |
| 09:16.13 | Jaffa | roope: I'll send you a link since I'm hlf way through a replu |
| 09:16.15 | keesj | yes funny how they managed to "fix" it in software |
| 09:17.22 | milhouse | yeah, i can understand the argument where they needed people to send in devices in order to pin down the fault but there must have been a point where they had identified the fault and fixed it, at which point they could have announced it and told everyone to hold off sending in their devices. |
| 09:18.38 | Lynoure | milhouse: if it is a problem with the feeds, is there a workaround? |
| 09:18.51 | milhouse | do you have xterm access? |
| 09:18.59 | lle2 | keesj: the hw is still faulty, more and better filtering on sw side allows to work around it |
| 09:19.26 | milhouse | lynoure: my suggestion would be to zap your feed file |
| 09:20.10 | Lynoure | As far as I know, the touchscreen fault is in HW, still, though the fix in sw makes it better |
| 09:20.16 | lle2 | keesj: previously sw simply cut off all samples that fell outside of certain limits, now those limits coul be relaxed because it does extra work to make sense of the samples |
| 09:21.00 | milhouse | lle2/keesj: the fix for the display seems to have knackered the ability to enter shifted letters on the vkb by sliding the stylus upwards (bug 1685) |
| 09:21.00 | _Monkey | Bug 1685 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1685 |
| 09:21.35 | Lynoure | milhouse: I'll try to find it... |
| 09:22.24 | milhouse | Lynoure: the RSS Reader stores it's feeds in the file /home/user/.osso_rss_feed_reader/feedlist.opml |
| 09:23.15 | Lynoure | milhouse: thanks |
| 09:23.22 | milhouse | np |
| 09:23.28 | lle2 | milhouse: dunno, never even knew of such a feature, although it's possible that the extra filtering is making things slow enough that it no longer works exactly the same. although I'd suspect the real reason to be something else |
| 09:24.43 | milhouse | i hope it's something else - it's been suggested in the bug that it's the sensitivity change, or another bug, but without any input from Nokia/Maemo we're just pissing in the wind |
| 09:26.08 | lle2 | well you just got input from nokia |
| 09:26.14 | milhouse | Woohoo! :) |
| 09:26.44 | milhouse | here or in the bug? |
| 09:26.46 | lle2 | now that I read that it seems the whole feature is totally fucked |
| 09:26.48 | lle2 | here |
| 09:26.57 | milhouse | ah... the bug would be nice :) |
| 09:27.01 | lle2 | no way |
| 09:27.03 | milhouse | ha! |
| 09:27.12 | Jaffa | roope: random incoherent rant: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=74339&posted=1#post74339 |
| 09:27.12 | milhouse | ok, how about passing it on? |
| 09:28.14 | roope | I don't stand behind texrat's rants, btw. :) |
| 09:28.22 | roope | He is not really associated with our workings. |
| 09:28.27 | Jaffa | I know :) |
| 09:28.28 | lle2 | milhouse: it could be that with a too-fast movement the letter is not getting enough events to detect a movement upwards, I think this is a bug in vkb |
| 09:28.34 | roope | Although of course everyone can have their opinions, and that's cool. |
| 09:29.07 | lle2 | milhouse: but to be honest I think the entire stylus driven keyboard should be killed |
| 09:29.33 | milhouse | lle2: possibly, it would just be nice to know if it's a wontfix (which would be bad, as it was a useful feature but understandable if it means a working touchscreen) or just a freaking bug that can/should be fixed in time for the next release (since it's not aliased to an internal bug ref, I can only assume it's not been picked up by Nokia) |
| 09:30.13 | milhouse | lle2: killing stylus keyboard... would need to see some alternatives before I can comment on that, are you suggesting something like the iPhone vkb? |
| 09:30.19 | milhouse | something more finger friendly? |
| 09:30.31 | lle2 | something more thumb friendly, like the thumb keyboard |
| 09:30.39 | lle2 | but with visibility to what you're typing into |
| 09:30.45 | roope | anyway, those touch screen filterings ultimately need to go. when moving forwards with more things like gestures etc., we can't have crap like that there. |
| 09:30.54 | milhouse | jaffa/roope - i think texrat is trying to perform an impossible service :) |
| 09:30.57 | roope | that breaks even the simplest gestures. |
| 09:31.00 | lle2 | roope: tell that to the hw guys |
| 09:31.22 | roope | to whom? ds? |
| 09:31.56 | lle2 | I need at least 15 samples to make anything resembling sensible output |
| 09:32.02 | lle2 | ds? |
| 09:32.06 | roope | daniel? |
| 09:32.14 | lle2 | he's not a hw guy |
| 09:32.27 | lle2 | hw guys do electronics and they live in funny place called oulu |
| 09:32.35 | roope | And this is all their fault? |
| 09:32.38 | lle2 | yes |
| 09:32.45 | milhouse | not criticising you two guys, but having some progress on a bug as outlined above is surely the reason for filing the bug in the first place... having it ignored is kind of... frustrating. :) |
| 09:32.49 | lle2 | by choosing the shitty ts film |
| 09:33.12 | milhouse | if someone posted "the vkb is going away in future" would be fine by me... |
| 09:33.13 | roope | well, i don't have the expertise to comment to anyone on that particular issue. :) |
| 09:33.27 | milhouse | that's why i hope it could be "passed along" |
| 09:33.27 | lle2 | but you're willing to remove the filtering? :) |
| 09:33.34 | milhouse | s/hope/hoped/ |
| 09:35.22 | lle2 | roope: you guys need to simply work with what we can provide, currently it means that the "sensitivity" of the ts is bad, you only get stuff about 100ms after the pen has touched the screen |
| 09:36.24 | roope | well, the things you are providing suck. ;) |
| 09:36.33 | milhouse | handbags! |
| 09:36.39 | lle2 | and roughly every 15ms after that. |
| 09:36.57 | lle2 | either you can bitch about it or design a UI that works with it |
| 09:37.45 | lle2 | for thumb usage it's more than good enough |
| 09:38.09 | milhouse | jaffa - i hadn't planned on getting a Touch, but I might just have to in order to be able to comment on the browsing experience. |
| 09:39.52 | lle2 | the vkb probably screws up because it doesn't grab all stylus events for a time after initially getting a pen down |
| 09:40.10 | milhouse | whatever it is, it used to work fine in 3.2007 |
| 09:41.33 | milhouse | unless the stylus vkb is going away with the next firmware release, it would be really really really nice if someone from nokia could identify the cause :) |
| 09:42.08 | milhouse | the rollmops would be on me |
| 09:49.13 | milhouse | interesting bug 1998 that someone has just filed |
| 09:49.14 | _Monkey | Bug 1998 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1998 |
| 09:50.16 | roope | :) |
| 09:50.32 | milhouse | maybe, just maybe, the device needs a super user mode? |
| 09:50.34 | roope | Well, files starting with . aren't also shown, so. |
| 09:50.39 | roope | it's called xterm. |
| 09:51.15 | milhouse | yes, i'm not sure if the bug filer realises that - which is why i think it's interesting. in some respects, what he wants to achieve is reasonable, but the file manager sanitises his view of the file system |
| 09:51.44 | milhouse | could the file manager operate in a less restrictive mode if the user has R&D rights? or would that be too much hassle (suspect I know the answer) |
| 09:51.53 | roope | yes. :) |
| 09:52.05 | milhouse | and yes... i suppose xterm is the answer, or an alternative file manager |
| 09:52.20 | roope | I can you can install a 3rd party file manager. (if one would exist) |
| 09:52.52 | milhouse | i know midnight commander is out there - never tried it myself. i suppose a third party "power user" file manager would do the trick |
| 09:53.14 | milhouse | is the source code for the Nokia file manager available? the community could hack it and re-release |
| 09:54.29 | milhouse | mind you, he's also talking about the file choose dialog which is probably a system component |
| 09:54.41 | milhouse | s/choose/chooser |
| 09:54.44 | milhouse | arse |
| 09:54.53 | milhouse | messed up my regex |
| 09:55.01 | milhouse | :) |
| 09:55.23 | Jaffa | s/choose/$&r/ |
| 09:55.45 | milhouse | yeah, missed off the trailing / - you only get one shot at it |
| 09:57.58 | milhouse | test |
| 09:58.06 | milhouse | s/test/$&icles/ |
| 09:58.15 | milhouse | hmmm... :) |
| 09:59.25 | pupnik | re getting rid of stylus kbd... my thumbs arent transparent ;) |
| 10:00.04 | milhouse | maybe you need to have finger surgery like that bloke with his new iPhone (ok ok I know it was only a hoax...) |
| 10:02.06 | Lynoure | milhouse: no RSS feed reader starting even without a feedlist file |
| 10:02.08 | pupnik | aah im using xvkbd right now... |
| 10:02.33 | Lynoure | it just shows it's starting for some time, then nothing happens |
| 10:02.50 | milhouse | lynoure - odd... |
| 10:03.34 | milhouse | the only thing i can suggest you try is use the archive attached to bug 1770 |
| 10:03.35 | _Monkey | Bug 1770 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1770 |
| 10:03.44 | pupnik | it is pretty fast now that i've adjusted to the smaller size of the keys -- less travel for the stylus. |
| 10:04.50 | milhouse | restore the archive - it's the entire osso_rss_feed_reader directory... as it stands it contains a feed - The Register - which will crash the RSS app when it is refreshed. delete The Register feed and you should be fine. |
| 10:05.09 | milhouse | unless it's something else crashing your rss app, in which case i'm all out of ideas |
| 10:05.46 | milhouse | i filed that bug btw |
| 10:07.33 | Lynoure | would it be unsafe to just delete the whole osso_rss_reader configuration directory? Would it recreate it, like Linux programs usually do? |
| 10:10.27 | milhouse | i don't know, i'd suggest renaming it for now |
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| 10:14.07 | fish_ | *prepairing my n770 for return* |
| 10:14.26 | fish_ | hope that display is not working again after reflashing ;) |
| 10:15.11 | Lynoure | hmm, when I connect to maemo.org on my laptop, it's fast and works, on the N800 takes age. Same wlan, even. |
| 10:15.34 | keesj | https or not? but I have the same feeling |
| 10:15.39 | milhouse | slight difference in horsepower maybe |
| 10:16.16 | keesj | I also have some trouble clicking links sometimes |
| 10:16.35 | keesj | so maemo.org and click download does not work and I have to try it many times |
| 10:16.54 | milhouse | are you trying to download the attachement from the link? |
| 10:16.58 | Lynoure | I would think so, if it was not the "Connecting" part where that happens. Putting in a http request is not so much work. |
| 10:17.00 | milhouse | link==byg |
| 10:17.04 | milhouse | s/byg/bug/ |
| 10:17.40 | keesj | how about using some links2 browser with an mouse enabled xterm? |
| 10:18.00 | Lynoure | and other websites come up just in 1 second |
| 10:18.18 | Lynoure | compared to 3 minutes and waiting... |
| 10:18.22 | milhouse | or wget.... you should be able to download the archive over http - here's the url http://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=512 |
| 10:18.46 | milhouse | out of interest, is this 770 or n800, opera or micro-b? |
| 10:19.12 | milhouse | @lynoure |
| 10:19.15 | Lynoure | N800, no idea what the default browser is called... |
| 10:19.24 | milhouse | i'll take a stab at Opera |
| 10:19.45 | Lynoure | Same happens also when I just try to access the maemo repos for a package list |
| 10:20.01 | keesj | micro-b on 770 is not supported , so that answers it all |
| 10:21.01 | keesj | I just tried to install skype on 770 with he, it starts but them stops |
| 10:21.06 | milhouse | sounds like you've got network issues on your n800... i'd suggest having a look at bug 1636 |
| 10:21.06 | _Monkey | Bug 1636 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1636 |
| 10:21.11 | Lynoure | Changing browsers probably will not help in Application manager... |
| 10:24.41 | keesj | is mmppl still agregated on maemo.org? |
| 10:25.05 | keesj | any xmoto players? |
| 10:28.31 | Lynoure | wlan_sleep_timeout helped |
| 10:28.51 | milhouse | cool |
| 10:29.04 | milhouse | there's a second setting - should be detailed further along in the bug |
| 10:29.42 | Jaffa | Anyone with some X expertise know of a simple way in a shell script of checking if a particular key is held down? I want to add a delay to the "Eject" key on my keyboard by checking if it's still held down after a second |
| 10:30.15 | milhouse | not a clue |
| 10:32.11 | Lynoure | hmmm, gah, where is that pesky Documents folder... does not seem to be ~/MyDocs |
| 10:32.27 | milhouse | it's a hidden directory |
| 10:32.45 | milhouse | ~/MyDocs/.documents |
| 10:33.08 | milhouse | ls -la ~/MyDocs |
| 10:35.32 | keesj | Jaffa: within a single app? |
| 10:36.31 | Lynoure | No RSS Reader starting even now. |
| 10:36.55 | milhouse | wierd... have you installed anything since it last worked? |
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| 10:37.45 | milhouse | i don't know if it can be started from the command line, maybe that would shed more light - anyone able to suggest? |
| 10:37.46 | Lynoure | According to Home it last updated at 2:38am... after that I installed xterm, dropbear ssh client, omweather and simplelauncher |
| 10:40.01 | Jaffa | keesj: I want to do something like "checkkey XF86Eject && echo 'yes, still down'" in a shell script |
| 10:42.02 | milhouse | Lynoure - as the "user", just type "/usr/bin/osso_rss_feed_reader" in the xterm window, it should start the RSS app |
| 10:42.20 | milhouse | if it crashes you may get some idea why it crashes |
| 10:43.30 | Lynoure | Is there strace or somesuch for N800? :) |
| 10:43.57 | milhouse | strace is on the device |
| 10:44.12 | Lynoure | oh, goodie :) |
| 10:45.28 | Lynoure | But the windowsy reboot seemed to help |
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| 11:12.56 | keesj | Jaffa: how about using the "read" command? |
| 11:13.16 | keesj | or worse "use and pase xev :)" |
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| 11:59.28 | leroutier | hello |
| 11:59.29 | _Monkey | niihau, leroutier |
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| 12:09.40 | Jaffa | keesj: I'd be surprised if Â`read' would pick up the key and the key'll already be down when xev starts |
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| 14:24.26 | Blacksitox | re |
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| 15:11.27 | blablabla | Please help me: http://tinyurl.com/2yu2te |
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| 16:13.28 | erstazi | does anyone use irssi on their nokia? |
| 16:14.26 | shadov | I use it over ssh. Does that count? |
| 16:19.16 | Fatal | same here |
| 16:19.53 | `0660 | me too |
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| 16:46.27 | pupnik_ | erstazi: yes |
| 16:46.47 | pupnik_ | if there is a program compiled for maemo, someone probably uses it |
| 16:53.30 | erstazi | pupnik_: me! heh |
| 16:53.45 | erstazi | pupnik_: how have you been? |
| 16:56.08 | pupnik_ | umm... 'playtesting' - no maemo work lately |
| 16:56.41 | pupnik_ | summer went by too fast :/ |
| 16:57.21 | erstazi | pupnik_: that's no lie there! |
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| 17:47.54 | amr | for some reason when i start application manager i get an 'operation failed' message |
| 17:47.55 | amr | every time |
| 17:48.16 | erstazi | amr: have you changed the sources.list? |
| 17:48.24 | amr | uhm |
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| 17:49.05 | amr | no |
| 17:49.39 | erstazi | amr: what OS do you have? OS2006 or OS2007? |
| 17:49.56 | amr | 2006 |
| 17:50.05 | dsiemon | Question for N800 users.. does your headset plug go all the way in so that the rubber part is flush with the edge of the device? |
| 17:50.16 | amr | aha |
| 17:50.24 | amr | just tried to running apt-get from xterm |
| 17:50.32 | amr | sources.list was corrupted or something |
| 17:50.34 | amr | malformed lines |
| 17:51.07 | gomiam | dsiemon: yes, at least me :-) |
| 17:51.46 | dsiemon | gomiam, Do you have to push hard? My stops a few millimeters before the end. I've pushed pretty hard but wanted a second opinion before I push harder. |
| 17:52.07 | gomiam | nope, I just push it in in one go |
| 17:52.11 | gomiam | it shouldn't break |
| 17:53.20 | dsiemon | OK so I was just being overly cautious. Pushing harder worked :) |
| 17:54.11 | Nermal | erstazi: bought an n800 :) |
| 17:55.08 | gomiam | great, dsiemon |
| 17:55.15 | dsiemon | BTW for any Nokia guys listening the N800 rocks. It's so nice to have a mobile device that I actually enjoy playing with. |
| 17:55.51 | gomiam | dsiemon: now go and install Skype ;-) |
| 17:56.40 | dsiemon | gomiam, Did that. Though I have a thing about not using proprietary protocols so other than a quick experiment I doubt I'll use it. |
| 17:57.36 | gomiam | dsiemon: as long as there is no cheap way to "phone home" through the N800, I'll have to bear with it :-) |
| 17:57.57 | derf | dsiemon: Now, go and make a Skype clone using free protocols. |
| 17:58.11 | gomiam | derf: you mean like openwengo? |
| 17:58.12 | gomiam | :-P |
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| 17:59.07 | dsiemon | gomiam, Haven't had a chance to play with that yet. |
| 17:59.59 | gomiam | OpenWengo isn't P2P, though. |
| 18:00.36 | gomiam | but since it is SIP you still have POTS calling if you know the right providers :-) |
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| 18:07.56 | Deformati | Whoa. |
| 18:07.59 | Deformati | Hi everyone. |
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| 18:08.06 | Deformati | I cannot wait for my 770 to come it. :D |
| 18:08.14 | Deformati | Didn't expect so many people in here. |
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| 18:08.43 | celesteh | they're all lurkers |
| 18:08.53 | Deformati | Oh. |
| 18:09.16 | dsiemon | gomiam, Is there a Maemo port of OpenWengo? I don't see anything on their download page. |
| 18:09.30 | Deformati | Well, I would like to start development now, maybe even get my favorite compiler working before it arrives. |
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| 18:09.39 | Deformati | What do I need to do this? |
| 18:10.44 | celesteh | scratchbox |
| 18:10.45 | _Monkey | it has been said that scratchbox is a cross-compilation toolkit for maemo application development. Homepage: http://www.scratchbox.org/ Maemo 3.x (bora/N800) tutorial: http://qurl.org/yN Maemo 2.2 (gregale/770) tutorial: http://qurl.org/zN A walkthrough for 3.x: http://qurl.org/0O Scratchbox Downloads: http://qurl.org/1O |
| 18:11.30 | Deformati | Does this tutorial apply to 2.2 as well? http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_new_application_bora.html |
| 18:11.35 | gomiam | dsiemon: actually, I don't think there's OpenWengo for Maemo yet. I just mentioned as a fast-track option to get an open-protocol telephony client. |
| 18:11.42 | Deformati | Never mind |
| 18:11.45 | Deformati | Stupid question |
| 18:11.47 | Deformati | Found the 2.2 |
| 18:11.52 | dsiemon | gomiam, OK thanks. |
| 18:12.12 | Deformati | Does the 770 have any opengl support? |
| 18:12.51 | `0660 | i think it has some |
| 18:13.20 | `0660 | nothing a mortal person could take advantage of though |
| 18:13.44 | Deformati | Has anyone got Erlang working on a 770? |
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| 18:19.32 | Deformati | RushPL: lets try getting gdc working in scratchbox. |
| 18:21.07 | Deformati | Then make some bindings and whatever. |
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| 18:22.03 | RushPL | Deformati: isn't scratchbox i386? |
| 18:22.22 | Deformati | I thought it emulates arm |
| 18:23.08 | RushPL | http://www.scratchbox.org/ - cross-compilation toolkit |
| 18:23.51 | RushPL | but it says also qemu |
| 18:23.54 | RushPL | so good :) |
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| 18:27.01 | celesteh | there exists a qemu image and a vmware image |
| 18:28.48 | Deformati | RushPL: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_2.2_Tutorial.html |
| 18:28.54 | Deformati | The 770 has 2.2 |
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| 18:30.12 | pupnik_ | correct |
| 18:30.42 | pupnik_ | the only graphics acceleration available is 2x hardware scaling of screen regions |
| 18:31.48 | RushPL | Deformati: but I really I would be much more interested in running KDE. |
| 18:31.59 | RushPL | a stripped one |
| 18:32.47 | Deformati | QT is huge though. |
| 18:33.07 | Deformati | I agree with you, but it is hard to strip kde. |
| 18:33.27 | Deformati | I think it would be better to rewrite a de. |
| 18:33.46 | RushPL | gentoo has kde modularized |
| 18:34.03 | RushPL | basic kde can be really small |
| 18:34.16 | RushPL | rewrite which de? :) |
| 18:34.25 | Deformati | The existing one. |
| 18:34.30 | Deformati | Rewrite parts in D. |
| 18:34.34 | Deformati | Improving as we go. |
| 18:34.47 | Deformati | Might even put slate on it. |
| 18:34.52 | Deformati | Slate should work pretty swee.t |
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| 18:35.01 | Deformati | Since there is no libc dependency. |
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| 18:37.35 | pupnik_ | You can run KDE on the device. |
| 18:38.31 | Deformati | Does it run well? |
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| 18:39.13 | amr | anyone else find that maemo.org/downloads doesnt load on their tablet? |
| 18:39.32 | amr | i went on the maemo.org site on my laptop and tablet, pressed downloads on my tablet then on my laptop |
| 18:39.41 | amr | 5 mins later my tablet still hasnt loaded it |
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| 18:44.53 | pupnik | amr i can test |
| 18:45.06 | pupnik | Deformati: check the kde thread on internettablettalk.com |
| 18:45.40 | Deformati | RushPL: I would like kde too, but I dunno, qt doesn't have D bindings... :( |
| 18:45.49 | pupnik | maemo.org mainpage loads in 7 seconds |
| 18:46.16 | pupnik | downloads loads in 5 (opera on it2006se, 770) |
| 18:46.22 | amr | hm |
| 18:46.29 | amr | 2006se? |
| 18:46.33 | eichi | is there a guitar tuner tool for maemo (n800) ? |
| 18:46.45 | pupnik | there is a guitar tuner tool |
| 18:46.49 | amr | the guy who did nethack does a reference tool i think |
| 18:46.54 | RushPL | pupnik: what about the virtual keyboard on KDE? |
| 18:46.56 | pupnik | ITOS 2006 second edition |
| 18:47.05 | amr | how can i tell if i have se? :P |
| 18:47.11 | Fatal | HE renamed? |
| 18:47.12 | RushPL | how do you input, if without keyboard? |
| 18:47.17 | eichi | pupnik: whats the name? |
| 18:48.10 | pupnik | dunno eichi |
| 18:48.13 | RushPL | oh cool, installed scratchbox and try to login -> "Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed!" |
| 18:48.22 | pupnik | amr in xterm type uname -a |
| 18:48.29 | pupnik | you should see 770-49 |
| 18:49.14 | pupnik | RushPL, to fix that you need a vdso-enabled kernel |
| 18:49.18 | pupnik | vdso? |
| 18:49.32 | RushPL | vdso ...? |
| 18:49.39 | Deformati | Lol, RushPL, I cannot even figure out the correct downloads. |
| 18:50.20 | celesteh | clawsmail? |
| 18:50.21 | _Monkey | i guess clawsmail is buggy |
| 18:50.29 | pupnik | RushPL: try echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/vdso |
| 18:50.48 | celesteh | it would be more helpful if you had a url, _monkey |
| 18:50.48 | pupnik | as root, in your host linux |
| 18:50.48 | _Monkey | celesteh: i'm not following you... |
| 18:50.56 | RushPL | I built my own kernel, probably disabled it if it default. |
| 18:50.58 | celesteh | stupid monkey |
| 18:51.10 | celesteh | erming? |
| 18:51.22 | celesteh | _Monkey, erming? |
| 18:51.22 | _Monkey | celesteh: bugger all, i dunno |
| 18:51.28 | RushPL | I'll rebuild |
| 18:51.43 | pupnik | i don't really-- understand the vdso issue... in the scratchbox wiki it says you need it disabled |
| 18:51.52 | RushPL | disabled! |
| 18:51.53 | pupnik | sorry i might have been exactly wrong on that |
| 18:52.24 | amr | yep 770-49 |
| 18:52.33 | pupnik | _Monkey vdso is http://www.scratchbox.org/wiki/HostDistributions |
| 18:52.34 | amr | hm, i wonder why mine doesnt load /downloads all the time |
| 18:52.34 | _Monkey | OK, pupnik. |
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| 18:52.58 | celesteh | _Monkey clawsmail is http://www.claws-mail.org/maemo/ |
| 18:52.58 | _Monkey | ...but clawsmail is buggy... |
| 18:53.12 | celesteh | _Monkey forget clawsmail |
| 18:53.13 | _Monkey | celesteh: I forgot clawsmail |
| 18:53.23 | celesteh | _Monkey clawsmail is http://www.claws-mail.org/maemo/ |
| 18:53.23 | _Monkey | OK, celesteh. |
| 18:53.40 | eichi | pupnik: i got it, thanks |
| 18:53.55 | pupnik | what's the name eichi? |
| 18:54.38 | amr | man i have terrible luck, mplayer wont even start for me |
| 18:54.40 | RushPL | I have both NFS and binfmt_misc :( |
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| 18:56.17 | pupnik | RushPL - lots of google hits for scratchbox+vdso or scratchbox+"Assertion Failed" |
| 18:56.30 | RushPL | yeah,looking into it |
| 18:56.32 | amr | i can launch it from the command line |
| 18:56.59 | eichi | pupnik: "tuner"..thats all http://www.maemo-apps.org/content/show.php/Tuner+Tool?content=44087&PHPSESSID=35c63e3886c05dee8ea2703b1d4feec9 |
| 18:57.38 | RushPL | okay, so VDSO will fix it. |
| 18:58.43 | pupnik | RushPL: so i was right the first time? I'm confused. On sidux i got that error, then built a kernel with vdso, and it worked |
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| 18:59.03 | pupnik | so i don't understand that echo 0 command at all. Maybe it needs to be compiled-in and turned off? |
| 18:59.23 | pupnik | ok ty eichi |
| 18:59.33 | celesteh | _Monkey erming is someplace at http://david.hautbois.free.fr/joomla/ |
| 18:59.34 | _Monkey | OK, celesteh. |
| 18:59.55 | Nermal | is there a noticable speed difference between a class 4 and a class 6 sd card ? |
| 18:59.56 | RushPL | pupnik: dunno, I will have to try. Now compiling a new kernel. |
| 19:00.23 | RushPL | Deformati: http://www.maemo-apps.org/content/show.php/LCARS+PADD+(Star+Trek)+Theme?content=47430 -> lol, hilarious |
| 19:00.35 | RushPL | I just might stay with maemo :D |
| 19:01.15 | Deformati | RushPL: looks a lot like GregorR's tablet. |
| 19:01.23 | RushPL | oy, but it's N800 :/ |
| 19:01.53 | celesteh | _Monkey erming is a tool to sync GPE with google calendar and can be found someplace at http://david.hautbois.free.fr/joomla/ |
| 19:01.54 | _Monkey | ...but erming is someplace at http://david.hautbois.free.fr/joomla/... |
| 19:02.00 | RushPL | Deformati: GregorG has LCARS? |
| 19:02.04 | celesteh | _monkey, forget erming |
| 19:02.04 | Deformati | Yes. |
| 19:02.05 | _Monkey | celesteh: I forgot erming |
| 19:02.14 | celesteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.14 | _Monkey | OK, celesteh. |
| 19:02.14 | RushPL | Deformati: GregorR ^^ |
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| 19:04.10 | Deformati | Hmm, I want to start scratchbox, but I don't wanna restart x. |
| 19:04.14 | Deformati | Or logout. |
| 19:04.19 | Deformati | I have a lot of important windows open. |
| 19:04.21 | Deformati | So eh. |
| 19:04.34 | RushPL | Deformati: so do I, I would need to reboot. |
| 19:05.10 | Deformati | Eh. |
| 19:05.15 | Deformati | I tryed in a new virtual terminal. |
| 19:05.22 | Deformati | And it says there are link inconstantcies in ld.so |
| 19:05.39 | RushPL | Deformati: that's that VDSO |
| 19:05.51 | RushPL | edit .config, search for VDSO and enable it |
| 19:05.57 | Deformati | ...Shouldn't there be a more automated installer than this? |
| 19:06.21 | Deformati | I mean, it's rediculous. |
| 19:07.37 | Deformati | .config where? |
| 19:07.39 | amr | hm |
| 19:07.45 | amr | rm: .Trashes//501/supertux/images/??'???a??????j.%??2: File name too long |
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| 19:10.06 | killfill | hi.. |
| 19:10.32 | killfill | i was trying to compile maemo-sharp in my desktop.. and it depends on hildon-lgpl |
| 19:10.36 | killfill | where can i download it?... |
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| 19:12.50 | Deformati | Do all of you develop on your tablet directly, or on your pc then send it over to the tablet? |
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| 19:14.39 | erstazi | Deformati: most people use scratchbox on a pc |
| 19:15.01 | erstazi | Deformati: but I have heard of people compiling on OS2007 |
| 19:15.16 | Deformati | What about 2006? |
| 19:15.48 | Deformati | I have some pretty extensive x11 development experience, so I wonder if it would be worth my time to make an alternate WM on the 770 or on the pc. |
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| 19:16.35 | killfill | cannot find it.. :S |
| 19:16.40 | `0660 | you will want to use your pc |
| 19:16.52 | Deformati | What is needed most on the 770? |
| 19:17.00 | Deformati | What does it have, and what is it lacking? |
| 19:21.17 | pupnik | Deformati: a fast snes emulator :) |
| 19:21.43 | pupnik | Deformati: if any projects here interest you, let me know http://pupnik.de/software.html |
| 19:22.22 | Deformati | Is there any opengl support? |
| 19:22.26 | pupnik | no |
| 19:22.34 | Deformati | Alright. |
| 19:22.38 | Deformati | I am not a fan of games. |
| 19:22.54 | RushPL | and zsnes is opengl |
| 19:23.40 | pupnik | the rendering backend isn't the problem with zsnes. The fact that it is 50% x86 ASM is. |
| 19:23.48 | Deformati | Hmm. |
| 19:23.51 | Deformati | Maybe I will make an IDE. |
| 19:24.14 | RushPL | pupnik: http://pupnik.de/770_snes9x_pacman.jpg ? it's not fast I gather? |
| 19:24.15 | pupnik | Abiword development could use help. |
| 19:24.31 | pupnik | RushPL: that particular game is fast. |
| 19:25.12 | Deformati | pupnik: what about the gui? Gui toolkits? Window manager? System panel? |
| 19:25.17 | Deformati | Editors |
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| 19:25.56 | pupnik | Deformati: probably the most interesting alternative WM is 'OpenRox' afaik. internettablettalk.com has info on it |
| 19:26.15 | pupnik | Some kind of gnustep thing. |
| 19:26.45 | pupnik | However, most of the work on the tablets is not towards treating them like little linux PCs. |
| 19:27.00 | pupnik | the GUI model is that of a tablet, one that is optimized for stylus/thumb. |
| 19:27.36 | Deformati | Searching that site gives me nothing. |
| 19:28.49 | Deformati | Well, I will mostly use mine for pdf reading, but I also wish to hack around on it. |
| 19:29.04 | Deformati | I like doing ui design. |
| 19:29.26 | Deformati | Do bluetooth keyboard work well? |
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| 19:30.36 | Deformati | Well. |
| 19:30.44 | Deformati | I have to go. |
| 19:30.48 | Deformati | Be back later today. |
| 19:30.49 | pupnik | sorry "Window Maker ROX" |
| 19:30.49 | Deformati | o/ |
| 19:30.52 | pupnik | cu |
| 19:31.53 | Deformati | Well, I am going to have a lot more to ask when I get back. |
| 19:31.56 | Deformati | A few hours. |
| 19:31.57 | Deformati | o/ |
| 19:32.36 | pupnik | i wish vncviewer could auto-cut to the clipboard |
| 19:32.41 | pupnik | am i missing something? |
| 19:33.23 | RushPL | pupnik: I actually thought about treating that nokia as a desktop. I wondered about the virtual keyboard issue, I think it could be solved by treating the whole screen area as a keyboard, so that if you know the layout, you know where to tap. (optionally it could display a grid) |
| 19:33.53 | RushPL | I don't know however if X supports explicit drawing, so that you can draw some opaque lines. |
| 19:34.29 | pupnik | If you have some experience with X, i could use help with Xvkbd |
| 19:34.33 | pupnik | Xkbd rather |
| 19:34.47 | pupnik | i can get it to send events to windowed SDL apps, but not to fullscreen |
| 19:35.39 | RushPL | it may be interesting once I get my nokia |
| 19:36.14 | amr | help please |
| 19:36.16 | amr | rm: .Trashes//501/supertux/images/??'???a??????j.%??2: File name too long |
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| 19:36.23 | amr | that happens when i try and rm -rf a dir |
| 19:36.38 | pupnik | http://pupnik.de/xkbd.html |
| 19:36.38 | gomiam | amr: rename supertux to sx |
| 19:36.42 | gomiam | and then try again |
| 19:36.50 | gomiam | that should be good enough |
| 19:37.24 | amr | ok will give that a try thanks |
| 19:37.26 | gomiam | it's what I do whenever I have some path name length problem in wWindows |
| 19:37.46 | gomiam | s/wWindows/Windows/ |
| 19:38.34 | pupnik | RushPL: http://pupnik.de/xkbd_m_bottom.gif |
| 19:38.49 | pupnik | it works ok with dosbox windowed but not fullscreen |
| 19:38.50 | RushPL | yeah, I look at them right now. |
| 19:39.12 | RushPL | hmm |
| 19:40.05 | RushPL | I know you can show the xvkb area with fullscreen apps, dunno about getting events. |
| 19:40.48 | RushPL | maybe it would be easier hacking SDL lib and doing some sort of 'false fullscreen mode' |
| 19:41.52 | pupnik | yeah it does show on top of the sdl fullscreen (coolness) |
| 19:42.12 | pupnik | but there's some strange issue with getting the events, and i don't really have the X fundamentals to look into it |
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| 19:44.10 | RushPL | I could hack on SDL, not that much on X. |
| 19:45.25 | RushPL | anyway, I wait for my nokia, should arrive soon :) |
| 19:46.53 | pupnik | Congrats :) |
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| 20:17.14 | RushPL | and i'll just restart |
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| 20:25.01 | RushPL | rush@unimatrix ~ $ /scratchbox/login |
| 20:25.01 | RushPL | ERROR: Scratchbox is not properly set up! |
| 20:25.15 | RushPL | what can it mean? :o I added my username, I am in proper group of course. |
| 20:26.17 | RushPL | okay, I know .. |
| 20:26.23 | RushPL | I logged in, yay! |
| 20:33.10 | pupnik | what was the problem RushPL ? |
| 20:33.32 | RushPL | there was some scratchpad startup script |
| 20:33.44 | RushPL | I don't know why it has to be demonized |
| 20:35.29 | pupnik | ok if you find you're missing libraries when building stuff, let me know |
| 20:35.51 | pupnik | i usually go to the host system, apt-get source <pagkage> |
| 20:36.14 | pupnik | then in scratchbox dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot to see what's missing for dependencies |
| 20:44.29 | RushPL | so hm, if I have this i386 target, it won't be cross-compiling, right? |
| 20:44.51 | RushPL | I will still have to change targets between local testing and cross-compiling I suppose. |
| 20:46.34 | pupnik | yes |
| 20:48.08 | tso | interesting, i didnt know that the hildon desktop supportet a scroll wheel (using vnc to access it from a desktop) |
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| 21:18.18 | RushPL | pupnik: I don't ge it, in the tutorial they run Xephyr from inside of that development shell. Of couse there is no Xephyr, how could there be? |
| 21:19.47 | RushPL | it wasn't preinstalled |
| 21:21.43 | pupnik | xephyr runs in the host OS |
| 21:22.58 | pupnik | and you invoke it with the start-xephyr shellscript |
| 21:23.14 | RushPL | I just started it from my host OS, but they suggest otherwise |
| 21:24.19 | RushPL | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:24.20 | RushPL | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:24.20 | RushPL | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:24.20 | RushPL | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:24.37 | RushPL | certainly it is not running from host OS |
| 21:25.47 | celesteh | there is some program that does document stuff like openffoice for maemo? |
| 21:26.05 | celesteh | s/openffoiceopenoffice/ |
| 21:26.48 | RushPL | "/scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set" it screws up |
| 21:27.25 | RushPL | celesteh: maybe search for AbiWord, somebody mentioned it here. |
| 21:48.03 | Nermal | any port of gimp to the 770/n800 ? |
| 21:52.01 | pupnik | celesteh: abiword nermal - yeah unique311 and i built it a while back, but it's just too big |
| 21:52.16 | Nermal | ah :| |
| 21:52.40 | pupnik | with a little work, mtpaint could be good imo |
| 21:52.54 | Nermal | :) |
| 21:53.02 | celesteh | pupnik, yes, thanks |
| 21:53.18 | celesteh | _Monkey abiword? |
| 21:53.18 | _Monkey | no idea, celesteh |
| 22:01.21 | celesteh | _Monkey abiword is http://www.abisource.com/downloads/abiword/2.3.4/Linux/Maemo/ |
| 22:01.21 | _Monkey | OK, celesteh. |
| 22:02.46 | setite | how do i get my session back with screen |
| 22:02.55 | tru_ | screen -r |
| 22:03.01 | setite | ok i mean the reverse then |
| 22:03.05 | setite | how do i get back out of it |
| 22:03.13 | tru_ | ctrl+a+d |
| 22:03.19 | setite | thought so... hmm |
| 22:03.29 | setite | oh simultaneous.. got it |
| 22:03.32 | setite | alrigh |
| 22:03.52 | setite | now with screen i can do multiple things right |
| 22:03.56 | setite | multiple screens |
| 22:03.57 | RushPL | pupnik: you're involved in Snes9x right? |
| 22:04.09 | setite | and just use ctrl+a to cycle? |
| 22:04.49 | RushPL | if snes has 256x224, have you tried doubling it and displaying each pixel as 4 pixels? it would avoid each frame processing. |
| 22:06.22 | pupnik | RushPL: snes9x is too slow regardless of scaling |
| 22:06.43 | RushPL | so it's the emulation itself? |
| 22:06.48 | pupnik | you might gain 1-2 fps with hardware scaling |
| 22:07.11 | pupnik | for the complex games that use transparency and raster ops |
| 22:07.47 | pupnik | yes |
| 22:08.09 | celesteh | _monkey forget abiword |
| 22:08.09 | _Monkey | celesteh: I forgot abiword |
| 22:08.15 | celesteh | grrr |
| 22:08.59 | RushPL | pupnik: eh, so it would require like making another ZSNES, for ARM alone :/ |
| 22:09.17 | RushPL | ZSNES is 67% x86 asembly |
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| 22:11.16 | pupnik | i have a fast snes emu work in progress - if you want to jump in, let me know |
| 22:12.10 | RushPL | pupnik: let me sort the things out like obtaining Nokia first and familizaring with environment. |
| 22:12.29 | pupnik | you could also look into the FCEU sound stuttering issue - there are a lot of optimizations to be done there also |
| 22:12.32 | pupnik | ok :) |
| 22:12.52 | celesteh | man, how did i get this damn thing to install last week? |
| 22:12.57 | caesar_gus | how do i mount external hard drive on the nokia 770? |
| 22:13.45 | pupnik | what's the problem celesteh ? |
| 22:23.34 | celesteh | pupnik, the version i can find says it's incompatible |
| 22:23.54 | celesteh | i can't find a repository |
| 22:24.16 | pupnik | repositories? |
| 22:24.17 | _Monkey | i guess repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php |
| 22:24.21 | celesteh | also couldn't find erming in a repository. i wonder which one i lost track of |
| 22:24.48 | celesteh | thanks |
| 22:26.54 | pupnik | if it's not in the searchable index, um |
| 22:27.06 | pupnik | there should be a link to it in internettablettalk.com forums |
| 22:27.17 | pupnik | or i can dig through my archive to get you a filename |
| 22:36.24 | celesteh | there's an abiword repo you just sent me |
| 22:36.33 | celesteh | erming, i installed by hand |
| 22:36.42 | celesteh | i think i am back to my pre-red pill glory |
| 22:37.23 | celesteh | the rss feeder seems less crash prone now. i wonder if it just got an upgrade |
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| 22:44.51 | celesteh | heh, except that i cannot remember my username for the gmail i set up just to deal with offline blogging and flickr |
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| 23:08.26 | celesteh | time for sleep. night all |
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