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| 01:49.19 | UniqueMobil | R.I.P thinkpad t41p... |
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| 06:33.33 | lle2 | hey, those that demand a "better touchscreen", is it that you want a more sensitive or more accurate or both? How would you characterize "better"? |
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| 06:37.45 | zuh | "multitouch" ;) |
| 06:40.58 | tso | ye gods |
| 06:41.20 | tso | why not we all just go and buy ourselfs "ipod touch"? |
| 06:42.04 | tso | heh, itt seems to be buzzing with ipod talk... |
| 06:45.24 | pupnik | is there an anti-shake filter for mencoder? google is just giving me a bunch of windows software - or any anti-shake software for *nix? |
| 06:46.24 | pupnik | mine works just fine, thank you |
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| 06:58.50 | pupnik | so far the only thing i found was virtualdub for wine, which supposedly has a plugin for anti-shake |
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| 08:03.27 | keesj | Goede morgen |
| 08:06.07 | guru3 | Good morning |
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| 08:17.47 | AD-N770 | good morning |
| 08:23.25 | pupnik | morning AD-N770 |
| 08:23.39 | keesj | funny thinking of if , the ipod "wheel" really looks like the old school phones that had the round number thing |
| 08:27.32 | tso | ah, pulse based dialing... |
| 08:29.03 | keesj | yes, my english is still not that good, and irc'ing does't rly help :p |
| 08:29.47 | jani | ircing is really bad for written english in my case =) |
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| 08:32.39 | pupnik | I'd like to see a comparison of standard written english test scores between European students (who take it as a second language) and americans |
| 08:34.24 | inz | I wouldn't, I already concider yankees inferior ;) |
| 08:36.22 | jani | they cant even spell colour =) |
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| 08:45.41 | UniqueMobil | inferior |
| 08:45.41 | UniqueMobil | an where are you from inz? |
| 08:45.55 | UniqueMobil | pupnik the comparison would not work. 2 different type of english. |
| 08:46.11 | UniqueMobil | inz, you were denied entry to the states or something? |
| 08:46.15 | UniqueMobil | family member killed in a war the US was involved un |
| 08:46.17 | UniqueMobil | ? |
| 08:47.12 | pupnik | Actually the pisa study has a test of standard english (TSE) that has been adapted to both US and British english |
| 08:47.22 | pupnik | A quick web search didn't turn up results though |
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| 08:51.01 | pupnik | In reading proficiency (native language) Finland is #1. USA is slightly above european average. And germany is below average. :P |
| 08:51.32 | pupnik | http://www.oecd.org/document/8/0,2340,en_2649_34515_2675400_1_1_1_1,00.html |
| 08:55.13 | inz | Unique, see the ";)" at the end of the line |
| 08:55.32 | inz | Unique, and the only time I went to US, I was granted entry |
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| 08:58.25 | UniqueMobil | winky or no winky, still an insult to call a people inferior.. |
| 08:59.13 | jani | germany has so many immigrants so i guess thats why they have lower score.. |
| 08:59.48 | UniqueMobil | usually when comments like that are made. person has a grudge against america because of something. |
| 09:00.38 | inz | Unique, I only dislike the president |
| 09:01.09 | UniqueMobil | he is a yankee...no doubt about that.. |
| 09:01.42 | UniqueMobil | inferior..???? |
| 09:02.02 | inz | Unique, bad choice of words, I'm sorry about that |
| 09:02.14 | inz | Unique, didn't mean to insult anyone |
| 09:03.00 | inz | Unique, I do not concider anyone to be inferior or superior |
| 09:03.21 | UniqueMobil | im not american.. |
| 09:03.22 | UniqueMobil | just a proud resident.. |
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| 09:12.30 | Lynoure | Finnish is easy to read :) |
| 09:12.42 | zeenix | Lynoure: yeah! right |
| 09:13.06 | Lynoure | zeenix: On se. :) |
| 09:13.15 | UniqueMobil | the president is from texas..way too much sun..i know its not the best excuse... but im sticking to it, inz |
| 09:13.56 | zeenix | Lynoure: try pronouncing 'hyvää yötä' correctly |
| 09:14.28 | Lynoure | zeenix: Mä olen syntyperäinen, oikeasti. |
| 09:14.43 | Lynoure | zeenix: I'm a native, it's easy. |
| 09:15.23 | Lynoure | zeenix: there is pretty much 1 to 1 mapping between spelling and pronouncing, unlike in English. |
| 09:16.02 | pyhimys | ghoti anyone? |
| 09:16.34 | Lynoure | pyhimys: some ghoti is really good, halibut especially. :) |
| 09:16.45 | zeenix | Lynoure: oh! that is different than, easy for you to say |
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| 09:17.18 | zeenix | Lynoure: what you mentioned is pretty much the only 'easy' thing about finnish |
| 09:17.48 | Lynoure | zeenix: yes, I did mean it's objectively an easy native language to read (as the reading proficiency was tested with natives reading their own language) |
| 09:18.07 | Lynoure | zeenix: well, the grammar is also very regular. |
| 09:18.28 | UniqueMobil | Lynoure, what is ghoti? |
| 09:18.51 | pyhimys | UniqueMobil: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghoti |
| 09:19.03 | UniqueMobil | thanks |
| 09:20.00 | Juhaz | and it _follows_ the grammar rules, there are no ten billion weird exceptions for no reason like in English. |
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| 09:24.07 | UniqueMobil | the ten billion weird exceptions for no reason. |
| 09:24.16 | Lynoure | zeenix: you can move here yourself, at some point, if you wish :) |
| 09:24.32 | zeenix | Lynoure: i already have, 2 year ago :) |
| 09:25.12 | Lynoure | zeenix: oh, misunderstood you then :) |
| 09:25.21 | UniqueMobil | american englisg |
| 09:25.25 | UniqueMobil | or |
| 09:25.54 | UniqueMobil | british, old english |
| 09:26.12 | Lynoure | hmmm, lunch is over, gotta go again |
| 09:27.34 | zuh | Lynoure: zeenix is just sore since he has trouble learning finnish ;) |
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| 10:16.11 | zeenix | zuh: kyllä |
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| 10:50.19 | Lynoure | zuh: I have been thinking of making a Finnish teaching podcast, like 'Laura speaks Dutch' is for Dutch |
| 10:50.47 | celesteh | heh, i listen to laura speaks dutch |
| 10:51.16 | Lynoure | celesteh: I do too, my beloved husband is Dutch and I'm trying to learn :) |
| 10:52.03 | celesteh | it's not helping me too much, but i'm not making an effort, really |
| 10:52.11 | celesteh | although now i can manage restaurant interactions |
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| 11:36.26 | keesj | why not just one language! |
| 11:36.56 | lardman | surely everyone should learn the language that has the most users who are unable to learn anything else |
| 11:37.07 | lardman | the Dutch have shot themselves in the foot - they are too good |
| 11:37.08 | suihkulokki | keesj: yes, and that should be finnish, obviously |
| 11:37.12 | lardman | so Enlgish it is ;) |
| 11:37.23 | lardman | or even English |
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| 11:38.58 | keesj | I also would go for a language what has one 5 letters or so |
| 11:39.40 | keesj | so I can type with one hands or even my feet |
| 11:40.06 | keesj | my feets are doing nothing all day long ! |
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| 11:41.07 | pupnik | :) |
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| 11:43.10 | wahlau | hi |
| 11:43.10 | _Monkey | salut, wahlau |
| 11:43.21 | wahlau | my first time here |
| 11:43.22 | wahlau | :) |
| 11:44.11 | wahlau | anyone plays with kinetic scroll here? |
| 11:44.20 | wahlau | i just tried maro's script |
| 11:45.39 | keesj | wahlau: there is a media player doing it kagu perhaps? |
| 11:45.48 | wahlau | yeaj |
| 11:45.52 | wahlau | i first saw it there |
| 11:46.00 | wahlau | then now almost every media player using it |
| 11:46.01 | wahlau | .) |
| 11:46.10 | wahlau | just wanna share the experience |
| 11:46.24 | wahlau | it is nice, but i don't feel it usable at this extend... |
| 11:46.32 | wahlau | the scroll is kind of, urhm, sluggish |
| 11:46.35 | wahlau | any idea why? |
| 11:46.52 | keesj | it's trally better with a captive sensor |
| 11:46.59 | wahlau | oic |
| 11:47.00 | keesj | really |
| 11:47.09 | wahlau | so it has something to do with the screen instead? |
| 11:47.37 | keesj | the physics , and the way touch is detected. |
| 11:48.03 | wahlau | that is what i have in mind |
| 11:48.16 | wahlau | would it be possibel for me to study the values captured by the screen |
| 11:48.18 | keesj | "some" devices can detect when you are "hovering" over the screen , you don't really have to touch it that hard |
| 11:48.21 | wahlau | and translate that into motion |
| 11:48.34 | wahlau | that might in return help the whole kinetic thing :) |
| 11:48.48 | wahlau | but again, i am not really a fan of the kinetic thing |
| 11:49.20 | keesj | it is adictive , you just start to play with it |
| 11:49.27 | keesj | it's sexy |
| 11:49.35 | wahlau | oic |
| 11:49.36 | wahlau | :) |
| 11:49.44 | wahlau | any python programmer here? |
| 11:49.56 | wahlau | i am wonder is it possible to draw a layer on top of another? |
| 11:49.59 | guardian | hmm, scratchbox was working for weeks (i did not reboot the computer) now after a reboot i get "Scratchbox is not properly set up!" error on /scratchbox/login |
| 11:50.01 | guardian | any idea please ? |
| 11:50.46 | keesj | I really like the raemo and other stuff I see comming |
| 11:50.57 | suihkulokki | guardian: ..run the initscript |
| 11:51.01 | keesj | guardian: and you started sbox ? |
| 11:51.01 | wahlau | raemo? |
| 11:51.29 | jani | guardian: you are not perhaps inside scratchbox allready ? =)) |
| 11:52.14 | keesj | http://raemo.garage.maemo.org/ and http://pluthon.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 11:53.08 | keesj | it really looks like python is the choice for the next generation maemo stuff |
| 11:55.17 | guardian | i just rebooted |
| 11:55.26 | guardian | tried /scratchbox/login to go on my dev ... |
| 11:55.27 | guardian | crap ... |
| 11:55.59 | guardian | back in time i installed it using the holly 3.1 script |
| 11:56.06 | guardian | i'm not sure it eases the developer's life in the end :D |
| 12:00.01 | guardian | it just worked smoothly before i rebooted :( |
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| 12:01.27 | suihkulokki | 14:50 < suihkulokki> guardian: ..run the initscript |
| 12:01.49 | keesj | the unofficial maemo ui guidelines http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dfrtdqv5_7hp33bq&pli=1 |
| 12:01.52 | keesj | horrible! |
| 12:03.31 | keesj | eivel dialogs with "cancel/ok" or worse , dialogs with only "ok" , |
| 12:04.24 | keesj | :tap "OK" to update the facebook or close to close the application" |
| 12:04.31 | keesj | is it a joke? |
| 12:05.25 | guardian | suihkulokki: sorry i missed this line |
| 12:07.04 | suihkulokki | anyways, everyone have a nice weekend |
| 12:11.53 | wahlau | same to you too |
| 12:13.35 | MoRpHeUz | guardian: yeah, try to /etc/init.d/scratchbox-core restart |
| 12:13.43 | MoRpHeUz | it should help (helped me anyway) |
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| 12:15.37 | guardian | i have no such script, but running /scratchbox/run_me_first.sh again helped |
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| 12:16.51 | MoRpHeUz | guardian: hhmm...ok...for some reason there is something that screws up my scratchbox config at startup and I always need to run this "start script" when I boot my machine |
| 12:17.47 | guardian | i never had problems when i installed scratchbox myself using apt. but i upgraded the box so i reinstalled everything and reinstalled scratchbox using the script provided by maemo.org |
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| 12:47.48 | MoRpHeUz | kulve: hey! |
| 12:49.24 | kulve | MoRpHeUz: hey |
| 12:50.11 | MoRpHeUz | kulve: have some good news for you regarding that gmyth stuff...probably it's not 100% yet due to some osso-media-engine bugs but as soon as osso release a fix for that we will have it fully working for the device... |
| 12:50.59 | MoRpHeUz | kulve: I'm going to make a post on my blog in the next hour....just take a look at that ok ? =) I wanted you to be the first one to know as you helped me so much with tests =) |
| 12:52.42 | kulve | "so much".. ;) |
| 12:53.10 | kulve | MoRpHeUz: I can read it, but I might be off to home soon and then I'm off to afk, so I might not be able to read it :/ |
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| 12:53.42 | MoRpHeUz | kulve: hhmm..that's ok...so read when you can =) |
| 12:55.45 | kulve | I will :) |
| 12:55.56 | MoRpHeUz | great! =) |
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| 13:01.19 | develneubee | hello all, does the n800 use the bluetooth's Sim Access Profile to sync all the contacts from a phone ? |
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| 13:08.27 | kern | hi, anybody alive here ? |
| 13:08.41 | kern | need some help with maemo theme |
| 13:08.51 | kern | just installed hildon-theme-plankton and dependencies, but application still complains about some missing icons: qgn_plat_home_border_left.png, qgn_plat_home_search_bg_alpha.png, etc... |
| 13:09.04 | kern | where can I get these icons ? |
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| 13:17.35 | qgil | hi, fast poll: many Hacker Edition users around? |
| 13:21.06 | qgil | I see, bad timing |
| 13:21.11 | c0ffee | not me |
| 13:21.18 | c0ffee | i'm using the old software on my 770 |
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| 13:21.37 | qgil | hi c0ffee |
| 13:21.56 | c0ffee | hi qgil |
| 13:23.46 | qgil | well, I just wanted to announce here the new HE edition available for download, a scoop for some seconds :) |
| 13:24.39 | c0ffee | hurray |
| 13:24.39 | alp | qgil: hey, if you're going to syndicate my blog could you make sure that posts don't get attributed to "Unknown author"? thanks |
| 13:30.29 | qgil | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/1189171468.html |
| 13:30.56 | qgil | alp, I asked you to send me your maemo.org userid precisely to avoid this |
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| 13:31.34 | alp | qgil: don't think i have one |
| 13:31.45 | qgil | alp: then create one :) |
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| 13:33.31 | qgil | that's all folks! see you later |
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| 13:34.01 | alp | how about, no? |
| 13:36.13 | keesj | great news |
| 13:36.41 | keesj | no flash at all? Adobe Flash browser plugin |
| 13:37.01 | cosmo | well, youtube wouldn't work anyway |
| 13:37.16 | cosmo | and all other flash is just useless ads etc |
| 13:37.17 | inz | And flash sucks anyway |
| 13:38.12 | keesj | not a youporn.com use then? |
| 13:38.18 | keesj | user |
| 13:38.27 | cosmo | does it work on 770? |
| 13:38.43 | keesj | no , no really |
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| 14:55.48 | GS | someone has installed kismet on os2007he? |
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| 15:52.33 | pupnik_ | GS someone surely has. What is your question? |
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| 15:59.34 | saaib | morninig everyone |
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| 16:20.21 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 16:20.46 | celesteh | yo |
| 16:24.43 | MoRpHeUz | hi |
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| 17:59.12 | Sho_ | cool, the input method was finally released ... maybe we're finally going to get some working non-GTK+ toolkits for it |
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| 18:19.09 | Jaffa | Sho_: or some better input methods, more likely. |
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| 18:55.09 | ffoegboy | can anyone recomend a flexible keyboaed that works with n800? |
| 18:55.33 | sx|lappy | describe "flexible" |
| 18:56.02 | ffoegboy | rollup |
| 18:57.18 | sx|lappy | haven't seen any such bt kb yet |
| 18:58.47 | ffoegboy | i have seen some bluetooth ones on net, would any bluetooyh kd work? |
| 18:59.38 | Pio | http://www.skymall.com/shopping/detail.htm?pid=102156154&c= |
| 19:00.07 | milhouse | ffoegboy - must support HID Profile |
| 19:00.20 | Pio | i dont know that the one i linked does |
| 19:00.37 | ffoegboy | what is HID profile? |
| 19:01.11 | celesteh | HID is a standard for how interface deviced talk to computers |
| 19:01.36 | ffoegboy | ok thanks |
| 19:02.20 | milhouse | Keyboard typically use either HID or SPP (Serial Port Profile) to connect over Bluetooth... SPP is the older way of doing things, and not supported natively by the N800 |
| 19:02.28 | milhouse | s/Keyboard/Keyboards/ |
| 19:04.15 | ffoegboy | Pio: yhat is what i want, do you know if its HID compat. |
| 19:04.38 | Pio | <Pio> i dont know that the one i linked does |
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| 19:06.05 | ffoegboy | ok i will check it out, thanks |
| 19:09.48 | ||cw | given that they feature a treo, I'd bet it's spp |
| 19:10.59 | ffoegboy | if i found one that was windows ce compatable, would that be HID or SPP? |
| 19:11.33 | milhouse | oh yes, that roll up keyboard is SPP |
| 19:12.42 | milhouse | Spec shee: http://www.eleksen.com/assets/PDFs/brochuresJUNE07/brc_ultra_portable_Bluetooth_keyboard.pdf |
| 19:12.47 | milhouse | s/shee/sheet/ |
| 19:13.21 | milhouse | There is a hack to add SPP Keyboard support, used to work in OS 2006 dunno about OS 2007 |
| 19:14.05 | keesj | spp? |
| 19:14.09 | milhouse | here: http://770.fs-security.com/maemo-bt-plugin/ |
| 19:15.37 | milhouse | Also here: http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/#kbdd |
| 19:15.56 | milhouse | Looks like the latter has OS 2007 support |
| 19:16.42 | keesj | in 2007 support for bluetooth keyboard that implement the hid standards are part of the maemo platform |
| 19:17.01 | milhouse | yes, but not keyboards using SPP |
| 19:17.26 | keesj | for the "serial" one you need kbdd indeed with the kernel uinput module yes |
| 19:17.59 | keesj | what keyboard did you get? |
| 19:19.05 | milhouse | ffoegboy is asking about this kb which only supports SPP: http://www.skymall.com/shopping/detail.htm?pid=102156154&c= |
| 19:19.18 | milhouse | he wants a "flexible" keyboard |
| 19:19.49 | ffoegboy | milhouse: is there a rollup kb that supports hid profile? |
| 19:20.06 | keesj | sexy |
| 19:20.18 | straind` | Has anyone gotten anything set up using SPP? |
| 19:20.21 | milhouse | there is the Stowaway Sierra - not roll up, but it does fold in half into a little case... http://www.expansys.com/p.aspx?i=144069 |
| 19:21.02 | milhouse | the only roll up kb i could find was the eleksen - same one you found. |
| 19:21.12 | milhouse | but i didn't look long... |
| 19:21.26 | straind` | I have a barcode scanner that uses SPP and I'd like to figure out how to connect it. |
| 19:21.27 | milhouse | i've got the sierra - don't use it though |
| 19:21.56 | milhouse | a bt keyboard is more hassle than it's worth unless you intend to do some heavy duty typing |
| 19:21.56 | ffoegboy | milhouse: how do you input into n800? |
| 19:22.03 | milhouse | virtual kb |
| 19:22.10 | keesj | I used on for a very short time and gave up |
| 19:22.21 | keesj | it was a serial one |
| 19:22.43 | milhouse | the Sierra is HID, worked straight away - still too much hassle. :) |
| 19:22.52 | ffoegboy | milhouse: isnt that slow? i have just purchased a n800 but havrnt got it yet |
| 19:23.32 | milhouse | is what slow? the virtual kb? yes, it's slower than typing with a keyboard but it has the advantage of me not having to carry a keyboard or balance it on my lap or get up and get it or... |
| 19:23.51 | keesj | I love to program and I have yet to find the correct language to program while not sitting behind a desk |
| 19:23.53 | milhouse | since i don't tend to type novels into my n800, it's not a problem using the virtual kb |
| 19:25.00 | ffoegboy | milhouse: maybe i should try it for a couple of weeks before looking for a kb |
| 19:25.15 | milhouse | i suggest you do, you could save yourself some money |
| 19:25.33 | keesj | ffoegboy: the fun thing with the thumb keyboard is that you can type standing |
| 19:25.34 | ffoegboy | milhouse: are you on the n800 now? |
| 19:25.40 | milhouse | no |
| 19:25.49 | milhouse | no way would i bother using irc on a n800... |
| 19:25.59 | ffoegboy | keesj: thumb kb? |
| 19:26.31 | keesj | or sitting in the tram, but it the keyboard is detached from the device (n800 in this case) you reall need a table , I can't even really use the keyboard in bed and I have spend enough money on a good bt keyboard |
| 19:27.23 | ffoegboy | keesj: do you mean the virtuak kb? |
| 19:27.24 | keesj | ffoegboy the on screen / full screen keyboard that pop's up |
| 19:27.33 | ffoegboy | keesj: ok |
| 19:28.42 | ffoegboy | i only speek english and have ordered the n800 from germany, will the operating system be in english or german? |
| 19:29.21 | keesj | you can choose at startup |
| 19:29.22 | milhouse | you might get a german keyboard... |
| 19:30.01 | ffoegboy | milhouse: i wonder if that can be changed since its virtual |
| 19:30.29 | milhouse | sorry i thought you were referring to your BT keyboard |
| 19:30.58 | ffoegboy | milhouse: no. i havent got a bt kb yet |
| 19:31.01 | milhouse | there is only one OS version for the N800 - you select the language on first boot |
| 19:31.42 | ffoegboy | milhouse: can it be changed after the first boot if you want? |
| 19:31.48 | milhouse | yes |
| 19:31.57 | milhouse | change the language/local in the control panel |
| 19:31.57 | _Monkey | milhouse: that doesn't look right |
| 19:32.00 | ffoegboy | milhouse: cool |
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| 19:33.06 | straind` | Hmmm. Suicidal _Monkey. |
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| 19:33.20 | milhouse | too right... no idea what's going on there |
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| 19:33.36 | straind` | maemo? |
| 19:33.37 | _Monkey | maemo is at maemo.org or Open Source Software |
| 19:33.47 | straind` | Maybe he'll stick around now... |
| 19:34.04 | milhouse | maybe... |
| 19:34.16 | milhouse | must have been an irc thing... we're both on the same connection here. |
| 19:34.16 | straind` | Make him feel useful. :P |
| 19:34.27 | milhouse | irc == freenode |
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| 19:38.33 | ffoegboy | i am going to get an 8gb sdhc card, is there any difference in the different brands? |
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| 19:54.43 | ffoegboy | milhouse: are you still there? |
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| 20:08.31 | human | hmm |
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| 20:24.02 | tru_ | who got Qt4 up and running on the n800? |
| 20:27.09 | sx|lappy | heretic ;D |
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| 20:45.48 | keesj | https://maemo.org/downloads/product/videocenter/ |
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