| 00:03.04 | robl^ | Clawsmail is buggy |
| 00:04.49 | robl^ | Only saw like 50 mails from july... |
| 00:06.41 | robl^ | Yet i have about 400 msgs on that imap4 server |
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| 00:31.23 | setite | yea for me.. real estate is where the money's at |
| 00:31.48 | setite | i'm not going for something that competitive.. ill stick witht eh guaranteed money.. sorry for late replay.. haha unique311 |
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| 01:58.02 | skibur | : |
| 01:58.04 | skibur | :) |
| 01:58.19 | erstazi | : |
| 01:58.21 | erstazi | (: |
| 01:58.53 | skibur | What are some of the Cons of the N800? |
| 01:59.08 | erstazi | a 3 ton truck can break it |
| 01:59.47 | erstazi | skibur: there is not any pullout keyboard, so you have to tap (or use your finger) on the virtual keyboard... or ssh to the device like I do |
| 01:59.59 | skibur | Thinking of buying a N800. I currently with DSLinux Nintendo DS Lite. |
| 02:00.13 | erstazi | Damn Small Linux? |
| 02:00.13 | _Monkey | Damn Small Linux is great on older pc's, the XFCE DE is very easy flowing |
| 02:00.23 | skibur | o |
| 02:00.25 | skibur | no |
| 02:00.27 | erstazi | ah |
| 02:00.28 | erstazi | ok |
| 02:00.35 | skibur | Linux on the Nintendo DS Lite |
| 02:00.40 | robl^ | Worst thing about it is the email app. Could use a few tweaks |
| 02:00.45 | erstazi | skibur: yes Damn Small Linux is a distro |
| 02:00.52 | skibur | yeah, that too |
| 02:01.16 | erstazi | robl^: well, thats if someone wants to use an email client or just choose to use web based mail... |
| 02:01.55 | erstazi | I have to deal with being secure so I either encrypt my harddrives when using an email client or use web based |
| 02:02.20 | erstazi | I have a 770 and I am happy with it |
| 02:02.40 | skibur | hum.. |
| 02:03.05 | skibur | Still don't Know if I should buy one. |
| 02:03.06 | erstazi | I might go for a n800 later on but right now, its what satisfying to the person... I don't need a camera but 2 SD slots would be nice! |
| 02:03.13 | robl^ | erstazi: true..but as a device marketed as an internet communication device.. The email lacks a bit in features |
| 02:03.47 | erstazi | robl^: I see the point... I am not even sure what the OS2007's default mail client is... but if its based off evolution, I will agree, it needs tweaked |
| 02:04.03 | erstazi | I wouldn't want to be the one who ported all these apps for nokia |
| 02:04.27 | erstazi | evolution was an instant turn off for me |
| 02:04.42 | erstazi | but thats because of my need for security |
| 02:05.46 | robl^ | skibur: i bought an n800 a few days ago.. I love it, but there are a few minor rough edges...all can be fixed in software |
| 02:06.02 | skibur | o ok |
| 02:06.09 | skibur | $399 |
| 02:06.50 | skibur | like, can I have thunderbird, kopete, bash, xterm, ssh, and emulators etc.? |
| 02:07.00 | robl^ | erstazi: yeah... Not sure if the email is based on evolution...evolution does better than the bundled one on os2007 |
| 02:07.39 | robl^ | I have bash, xterm, pidgin/gaim, ssh, bash installed |
| 02:09.11 | erstazi | skibur: you can get an n800 for $330 |
| 02:09.29 | erstazi | robl^: does bash have a better tar than busybox? |
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| 02:09.54 | erstazi | skibur: you can also have xchat, irssi, and many more |
| 02:10.00 | erstazi | hi rwhitby |
| 02:10.05 | skibur | nice |
| 02:10.13 | skibur | $330 (new)? |
| 02:10.16 | erstazi | skibur: yes |
| 02:10.20 | erstazi | let me find the link |
| 02:10.35 | skibur | amazon is for $360 new |
| 02:10.44 | robl^ | Bash has no tar...its a separate binary |
| 02:11.50 | robl^ | I got mine for $150 after a gift card and sale price |
| 02:12.03 | erstazi | robl^: yeah, the tar is a pain though |
| 02:12.11 | erstazi | skibur: http://www.buy.com/prod/nokia-n800-internet-tablet/q/loc/101/204055141.html |
| 02:12.22 | erstazi | skibur: I got my nokia 770 for $129 on there |
| 02:12.34 | erstazi | one place were selling them for $330 brand new |
| 02:13.23 | skibur | thanks |
| 02:13.35 | robl^ | Not had a need to try tar yet.. Only had it a few days |
| 02:15.35 | erstazi | robl^: well, I usually use scratchbox to extract and build packages... but was in need of a quick extract |
| 02:15.50 | erstazi | robl^: and the tar is distributed with busybox, which is default last I checked |
| 02:16.26 | erstazi | robl^: I don't have a sources.list for OS2007 (only OS2006 at http://c-wd.net/maemo/sources.list) but other people have sources.list but for OS2007 |
| 02:16.34 | erstazi | you might be able to switch everything to bora |
| 02:16.37 | erstazi | but I don't trust that |
| 02:17.13 | erstazi | skibur: if you buy from buy.com, do the free shipping, I got mine in 2 days and my buddy did the overnight and it took them a week to get it to him |
| 02:17.24 | erstazi | skibur: which isn't buy.com's fault, just the mailing service |
| 02:18.45 | robl^ | I am trying to get mono 1.2.5 for n800.. |
| 02:19.22 | erstazi | robl^: for OS2007 |
| 02:19.30 | robl^ | Will play with scratchbox tomorrow |
| 02:19.44 | erstazi | robl^: what linux distro do you have on a pc? |
| 02:19.48 | erstazi | or laptop |
| 02:19.49 | robl^ | Yeah...for os2007.4 |
| 02:20.02 | robl^ | My laptop is fedora 7 |
| 02:20.14 | erstazi | ok, scratchbox might have rpm |
| 02:20.16 | erstazi | yeah it does |
| 02:20.31 | erstazi | I have CentOS, I had to think for a second |
| 02:20.46 | erstazi | but Debian-based is very friendly |
| 02:22.07 | erstazi | robl^: with scratchbox, you can use the latest sources at http://www.mono-project.com/Downloads |
| 02:23.07 | robl^ | Thats the plan...would like to seebofficial mono pkgs though |
| 02:23.56 | robl^ | That would make porting / writing new apps easier for me |
| 02:24.04 | erstazi | robl^: there are many howtos for installing scratchbox... including how to get the rootstraps and all that installed |
| 02:24.22 | erstazi | robl^: what language(s) do you know? |
| 02:24.41 | robl^ | Been reading up on scratchbox... |
| 02:25.31 | robl^ | Ohhh, c#, php, 4gl, a bit of ansi c |
| 02:25.50 | erstazi | nice |
| 02:26.00 | erstazi | be right back |
| 02:26.48 | robl^ | Not an expert in any of those...but i can muddle through :-D |
| 02:29.12 | erstazi | well it helps |
| 02:31.32 | TonyMaro | woot, I just finished changing the Kagu kinetic scroll widget to work with GTK instead of PyGame |
| 02:31.57 | TonyMaro | It's an ugly hack, but it worked |
| 02:32.03 | setite | kool |
| 02:32.16 | setite | centos? |
| 02:32.27 | TonyMaro | nokia n800 |
| 02:32.35 | setite | oh sorry tony.. i know |
| 02:32.42 | setite | erstazi whats centOS like |
| 02:32.47 | TonyMaro | oh.... lol |
| 02:33.12 | TonyMaro | well I'm going home - lata |
| 02:33.13 | robl^ | Been dealing with c# for work...and if i could use that skill with apps i can run on my n800, i would have an incentive to learn faster |
| 02:33.22 | setite | centos gives me brain pain in like the fist minute |
| 02:33.35 | setite | so ugly... and the talk is too much for my simple mind |
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| 02:44.44 | pupnikzzz | hi setite - are you an old kanotix user or something? |
| 02:57.39 | erstazi | setite: centos is 100% binary compatible with Red Hat, or thats the aim they want |
| 02:57.59 | setite | thought i heard you say it was debian based |
| 03:02.59 | erstazi | setite: oh, no sorry, its RHEL based |
| 03:03.05 | erstazi | setite: I meant another distro |
| 03:03.18 | erstazi | setite: for scratchbox, I suggest people to use a debian-based distro |
| 03:03.33 | erstazi | like Debian, MEPIS, or Ubuntu |
| 03:03.42 | erstazi | many more, just not going to list them all (: |
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| 07:15.22 | kulve | qgil: why can't I get email notifications from the wiki page editions? |
| 07:18.16 | timelyx | kulve: edits? |
| 07:18.27 | timelyx | (an edition is a different animal) |
| 07:18.53 | kulve | whatever |
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| 07:45.03 | Jaffa | Erk, the Foleo's been cancelled. |
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| 07:46.34 | gla55_ | ye |
| 07:48.28 | keesj | I wonder if and what gadget to take with me |
| 07:48.58 | Jaffa | Not a Foleo ;-) |
| 07:49.46 | gla55_ | heehee |
| 07:49.47 | keesj | I am thinking about taking the 770 |
| 07:51.05 | keesj | it has longer battery life. I just would love to do more programming on the device itself |
| 07:51.58 | keesj | pic programming is what I have been doing lately, perhaps I can port http://www.dattalo.com/gnupic/gpsim.html to the arm |
| 07:54.00 | timelyx | Jaffa: technically shelved, no? :) |
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| 08:03.10 | keesj | Jaffa: after reading http://blog.palm.com/palm/2007/09/a-message-to-pa.html I think more companies should make such choices |
| 08:03.52 | keesj | it almoost sounds like a rational not money/time to market driven choice. |
| 08:04.34 | keesj | I have been thinking a lot about maemo/openmoko and what is structuraly wrong with them |
| 08:05.47 | timelyx | keesj: the list is shorter if you ask what is structurally right with them :) |
| 08:05.56 | keesj | haha |
| 08:06.27 | keesj | I just try to imagine what would be require for such a product to work in an open-source context |
| 08:06.53 | keesj | the real great mamo stuff was all created by nokia and affiliates. |
| 08:07.15 | timelyx | maemo? |
| 08:07.16 | _Monkey | maemo is at maemo.org or Open Source Software |
| 08:07.19 | timelyx | shut up |
| 08:07.48 | keesj | maemo-mapper being a great exeption , also some nice media players where created |
| 08:08.05 | timelyx | out of curiosity, which good things can you list for maemo from nokia? |
| 08:08.12 | keesj | thoose are the real things in the open-source context "do one thing well" |
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| 08:08.51 | pupnik | keesj, mtpaint would be nice |
| 08:09.09 | keesj | timelyx: I think that they UI is pretty consistent , the talk stuff , the concept |
| 08:10.26 | keesj | the thumb keyboard, the browser, the games. media-streamer, they just are more finished / adapted to the platform |
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| 08:10.56 | timelyx | out of curiosity, what's your view on rhapsody? |
| 08:11.14 | timelyx | (from memory it's basically just a media streamer consumer, but...) |
| 08:11.24 | keesj | a product for us customers? |
| 08:11.33 | keesj | US |
| 08:11.36 | timelyx | yes |
| 08:11.49 | timelyx | sorry, I was able to beta it here in Finland |
| 08:11.50 | keesj | I havent' tried it |
| 08:11.53 | timelyx | benefit of being an employee :) |
| 08:12.15 | timelyx | if you're in the us and have an n800, give it a try |
| 08:12.32 | inz | Feh, vacation over, only ~1500 emails waiting to be processed :/ |
| 08:12.34 | keesj | I an in Amsterdam |
| 08:12.53 | inz | Fortunately most of them are not of importance |
| 08:13.02 | timelyx | inz: « Back to Search results Report SpamDelete Ð Newer 20 of tens of thousands Older ð |
| 08:13.06 | keesj | the whole maemo trip for me has been more like being in a bus and not being the driver |
| 08:13.49 | keesj | I like what I see , I like to drive a bit but I am not a bus driver. |
| 08:14.01 | timelyx | nice analogy |
| 08:14.11 | pupnik | what OS do you personally steer? |
| 08:14.53 | inz | timelyx, they're not spam, but notifications et al |
| 08:15.29 | timelyx | inz: yeah, but look at it this way |
| 08:15.36 | timelyx | gmail say i have tens of thousands of things to read |
| 08:15.41 | timelyx | and i'm about to *start* my vacation |
| 08:16.01 | inz | xD |
| 08:16.15 | keesj | pupnik: for work I create driver/fix bugs of a linux based PND(personal navigation device) |
| 08:16.23 | timelyx | inz: the worst part... i *musT* check mail weekly |
| 08:16.29 | pupnik | cool |
| 08:16.35 | timelyx | otherwise my primary inbox will fill up and start bouncing 9/10 emails |
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| 08:17.58 | inz | time, yeah, that would be nasty (expect that amount of spam sent to your address might reduce) |
| 08:18.27 | inz | s/pec/cep/ |
| 08:18.38 | inz | grr |
| 08:19.12 | timelyx | inz: spam relative to ham in this case is noise i never notice |
| 08:19.32 | keesj | timelyx: I just really wonder what should be expected from the community/me |
| 08:20.03 | timelyx | keesj: well, pick a smaller bus |
| 08:20.07 | pupnik | More unit sales = more developers. This *is* a one-product OS, is it not? |
| 08:20.10 | timelyx | are you interested in helping the browser? |
| 08:20.32 | timelyx | keesj: i.e. go through bugs.maemo.org and pick either a product or a component |
| 08:20.43 | timelyx | once you've picked 1 or 2, let me know and i'll give you suggestions |
| 08:20.46 | timelyx | (seriously) |
| 08:20.57 | timelyx | it'll be easier on me if you choose browser, but i can work w/ anything |
| 08:21.03 | timelyx | you have 40mins. i need to go to work |
| 08:21.34 | timelyx | oh, and you only have today. i'll be on vacation for a month and don't have a hotel reservation for friday night :( |
| 08:21.54 | keesj | :P |
| 08:22.39 | AD-N770 | good morning |
| 08:23.01 | pupnik | morning AD-N770 |
| 08:23.08 | timelyx | keesj: practically speaking, the list is something like this: |
| 08:23.18 | timelyx | 1. converting bug reports into actionable items |
| 08:23.26 | pupnik | AD-N770: i saw you had some ASM skills - do you know if there is a way to do profiling on the device? |
| 08:23.40 | timelyx | 2. reducing problems to even more specifically fixable items |
| 08:23.45 | AD-N770 | pupnik: oprofile |
| 08:23.46 | timelyx | 3. finding and fixing them yourself |
| 08:24.17 | timelyx | 4. discovering inconsistencies that aren't reported (either within an app or across the platform) and reporting them |
| 08:24.21 | pupnik | AD-N770: do i need to download an 'oprofile kernel' or compile one myself? |
| 08:24.34 | timelyx | 5. checking the documentation for an app and reporting bugs about areas where it's wrong |
| 08:24.36 | AD-N770 | I compiled one myself |
| 08:24.45 | AD-N770 | but there's one compiled too |
| 08:24.56 | timelyx | 6. checking the documentation and determining where it's missing important sections (file bugs) |
| 08:25.02 | AD-N770 | you can boot it without flash the unit |
| 08:25.17 | timelyx | those are the easy ones |
| 08:25.19 | pupnik | Ok thanks - i saw some mailing list chatter about it - but only problems and no howto |
| 08:25.30 | timelyx | 7. offering suggestions for actually fixing 5/6 |
| 08:30.58 | keesj | I just looked a the last +/- 100 filled bug, I think there is only one what would be fixable by me (Mouse support (Bluetooth and on 770 USB support)) |
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| 08:34.20 | keesj | timelyx: one full month? what kind of company are you working for :p |
| 08:34.54 | timelyx | european. it's 4 weeks plus weekends at both ends |
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| 08:38.01 | theril | Does anybody have a multimeter and N800 wired headset? |
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| 09:11.56 | matmo | morning. Alternative for doing updates via App Mgr one-by-one? IT2006 |
| 09:12.33 | matmo | red pill mode active |
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| 09:13.00 | timelyx | matmo: heh |
| 09:13.13 | timelyx | matmo: find some meta package that depends on the things you want updated |
| 09:13.18 | timelyx | or heck, write one :) |
| 09:13.35 | onion | matmo: xterm + apt-get ? |
| 09:14.06 | matmo | apt-get for *all* updates? Not familiar apart from basics |
| 09:14.50 | suihkulokki | AD-N770: you pinged me when I was on vacation |
| 09:15.24 | timelyx | matmo: if you're feeling suicidal... |
| 09:15.28 | timelyx | there's a magic:sys package |
| 09:15.36 | timelyx | which may or may not convert your device into a pretty brick |
| 09:15.44 | timelyx | otoh, it might do something resembling what you want |
| 09:15.50 | matmo | timelyx: arh, hope to avoid that :-) |
| 09:16.07 | matmo | where to find this magic package? |
| 09:16.08 | AD-N770 | not sure, I can't remember now :) |
| 09:16.11 | timelyx | matmo: personally, i like bricks |
| 09:16.19 | timelyx | matmo: at least in 2007 it's listed in redpill |
| 09:16.30 | timelyx | i suppose it might have been introduced after 2006 |
| 09:16.57 | timelyx | http://hildon-app-mgr.garage.maemo.org/redpill.html |
| 09:17.00 | timelyx | talks about them |
| 09:17.35 | matmo | no such package listed in app mgr for 2006. Thanks, I'll check the link out. |
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| 09:18.08 | onion | matmo: feeling experimental? here is it2007 app manager compiled for 2006: http://download.talinux.tal.org/pub/maemo/dists/gregale/experimental/binary-armel/osso-application-installer_4.46_armel.deb |
| 09:18.16 | matmo | There are about 3 dozen packages listed as updates in app mgr. Manually, I will still be here tomorrow |
| 09:18.34 | matmo | onion: ok, thanks, I'll check it out |
| 09:18.55 | timelyx | matmo: aptitude is probably the alternative |
| 09:19.04 | timelyx | if you can find someone like onion who can build it for you :) |
| 09:19.04 | onion | but don't complain if it bricks your device.. |
| 09:19.18 | timelyx | onion: that's the spirit :) |
| 09:19.32 | onion | works-for-me :) |
| 09:19.46 | matmo | why should it brick the device? Won't it only apply updates correct for 2006? |
| 09:20.12 | timelyx | beta code |
| 09:20.14 | timelyx | no guarantees |
| 09:20.28 | timelyx | and you're assuming things that you might have changed |
| 09:20.34 | onion | matmo: well, it's not official for 2006 |
| 09:20.51 | timelyx | there's a nice page from mozilla.org that describes what can happen to you if you use beta code |
| 09:20.51 | timelyx | but i can't find it |
| 09:21.21 | onion | and nokias funny way of using gettext breakes some strings |
| 09:21.24 | matmo | is there no "official" way to get all updates? |
| 09:21.41 | onion | matmo: just use apt-get upgrade as root |
| 09:21.55 | timelyx | matmo: correct |
| 09:22.09 | timelyx | matmo: the key is that if you've done anything interesting, e.g. added repositories |
| 09:22.13 | timelyx | then all bets are off |
| 09:22.25 | timelyx | and it's fairly easy to brick any debian based system if you mix repositories |
| 09:22.29 | matmo | sure I've added repo's, who hasn't? |
| 09:22.35 | timelyx | tablet, server, laptop, it doesn't matter |
| 09:22.42 | timelyx | right. therein lies the fun and excitement |
| 09:23.04 | onion | timelyx: well, not many repos touch critical system packages |
| 09:23.23 | timelyx | onion: one of the n800 repositories broke opera for a while :) |
| 09:23.26 | onion | my repo does but... |
| 09:23.35 | timelyx | i mean, it's not like i care about opera, but some of our users did :o |
| 09:23.45 | onion | gstreamer update to latest release :) |
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| 09:24.35 | matmo | I have cert, non-cert, canola, herring, gregale, bora, etc, etc |
| 09:25.03 | onion | I like my software fresh... |
| 09:31.42 | timelyx | i like my software dead |
| 09:31.43 | timelyx | http://www.mozilla.org/unix/using-x-with-mozilla-threads.html |
| 09:34.03 | onion | I needed libgstapp and that required a new gst |
| 09:34.25 | timelyx | so, if you want to do an upgrade, you probably want to limit the number of enabled repositories |
| 09:34.37 | pupnik | are you programming for the dsp onion? |
| 09:34.42 | timelyx | having repositories while installing is all fine and dandy |
| 09:34.57 | timelyx | but having them while upgrading is asking for more trouble than you want |
| 09:36.04 | matmo | timelyx: so which ones should I leave enabled? |
| 09:36.05 | pupnik | do packages get updated enough to warrant an upgrade? |
| 09:36.23 | onion | pupnik: no, I needed an easy way to play speach buffers from libespeak |
| 09:36.31 | pupnik | ah |
| 09:36.54 | pupnik | libespeak is text-to-speech? |
| 09:37.03 | onion | pupnik: yes |
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| 09:42.33 | matmo | sod it, trying: apt-get upgrade |
| 09:42.58 | matmo | whizzing along now |
| 09:43.41 | matmo | (can't hold my breath this long) |
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| 09:44.10 | matmo | oops, rebooting |
| 09:44.25 | Veggen | matmo: not always a good idea ;) |
| 09:44.33 | Veggen | (to apt-get upgrade) |
| 09:44.37 | matmo | Veggen: too late |
| 09:45.36 | matmo | nokia, white screen, nokia, white screen, ... guess I'm fuk'ed |
| 09:46.53 | Nermal | matmo: :( |
| 09:47.12 | matmo | :-( indeed |
| 09:47.23 | onion | matmo: well, that sucks |
| 09:47.59 | matmo | so, what now? |
| 09:48.18 | onion | reflash |
| 09:48.21 | Nermal | sell it to meeee |
| 09:49.09 | onion | something I've been doing lately too many times... |
| 09:49.52 | matmo | oooo, it's gone to charging screen now |
| 09:50.12 | matmo | keeps connecting then disconnecting on usb |
| 09:50.31 | matmo | schitzo fuk'ing thing |
| 09:50.35 | onion | wonder how loong it takes to get my old one back from warranty. any .fi nokia folks that might know how loong it takes ? |
| 09:51.17 | onion | matmo: yeah, I got mine to go into a endles reboot loop after a normal shutdown |
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| 09:51.48 | matmo | onion: how did you get out of it |
| 09:51.54 | onion | matmo: guess |
| 09:52.03 | onion | reflash! |
| 09:52.12 | matmo | with the usb problem? |
| 09:52.34 | onion | usb was ok.. |
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| 09:52.56 | onion | matmo: it won't go into flashing mode ? |
| 09:53.08 | matmo | see above |
| 09:53.25 | Briget | Hi |
| 09:54.15 | timelyx | onion: we don't really deal w/ factory / warrantee you're much better off asking a normal person |
| 09:54.24 | timelyx | we have people internally who will replace hardware components |
| 09:54.32 | onion | matmo: try removing the battery |
| 09:54.51 | timelyx | onion: welcome to debian goodness |
| 09:54.52 | onion | timelyx: ok |
| 09:55.06 | timelyx | oh, oops w/onion/matmo/ |
| 09:55.17 | matmo | seems to have settled once I started the updater |
| 09:55.19 | Briget | please tell me any body how can i integrate libjpeg example.c with maemo project. please....... |
| 09:55.30 | timelyx | Briget: eh? |
| 09:55.36 | timelyx | maemo includes libjpeg |
| 09:55.40 | Briget | ya |
| 09:56.14 | Briget | but when i build the project then i got some error |
| 09:56.48 | onion | matmo: I hope you have a backup |
| 09:57.30 | onion | timelyx: you wouldn |
| 09:57.36 | onion | äh.. |
| 09:57.49 | pupnik | Briget: the makefile should -l link libjpeg |
| 09:57.59 | timelyx | finnetic ahhs, how eenteresting |
| 09:58.01 | onion | timelyx: 't happen to know if the touchscreen failing is a common failure for the 770 ? |
| 09:58.08 | Briget | like undefined refference to "jpeg_std_error(&jerr)..." |
| 09:58.14 | timelyx | onion: if i knew i most certainly couldn't say |
| 09:58.24 | timelyx | my 770s touchscreen failed because of water damage last winter |
| 09:58.25 | onion | ok :) |
| 09:58.31 | timelyx | i used it in the snow in helsinki, it was fine |
| 09:58.41 | timelyx | but i took it inside and in the morning, the touchscreen was dead |
| 09:58.45 | timelyx | i believe it's fairly rare |
| 09:58.51 | Briget | actually i m newbie. can you please tell me what should i do now. |
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| 09:59.02 | timelyx | btw, the user manual explicitly says not to do things like that :) |
| 09:59.15 | pupnik | undefined reference often means the required library is not being linked-in |
| 09:59.20 | onion | the ts on my older 770 failed nicely, just where backspace and enter is |
| 09:59.33 | timelyx | onion: hrm |
| 09:59.42 | timelyx | the n800 touchscreens were worse in that respect |
| 09:59.49 | onion | and like a circle in the middle of the screen |
| 09:59.59 | timelyx | 4.2007 had fixes for them |
| 10:00.17 | timelyx | if it's the same general idea, then maybe the next hacker edition (if such a thing happens) would be helpful |
| 10:00.45 | pupnik | does your project use a Makefile Briget ? |
| 10:00.47 | onion | timelyx: well, comparing with my new 770 the ts on the old was totaly broken |
| 10:01.04 | Briget | pupnik : would you like to have some time to give me solution. pls |
| 10:01.19 | Briget | ya |
| 10:01.19 | pupnik | i don't know what the problem is, Briget |
| 10:01.20 | pupnik | ok |
| 10:01.22 | onion | timelyx: the new just needs a slight tap, the old required much more presure |
| 10:01.38 | timelyx | onion: hrm,.... that's the general problem the n800s had |
| 10:01.49 | timelyx | but afaik no one has really reported such problems about 770s |
| 10:02.04 | timelyx | my 770s screen was entirely touch dead |
| 10:02.10 | timelyx | (presumably a short or equivalent) |
| 10:02.34 | timelyx | display was fine, but os 2006 doesn't support touchscreenless use, so it wasn't useful |
| 10:02.52 | pupnik | Briget: somewhere in your Makefile you should have -llibjpeg (i think) and if not you should look for a line where other libraries are linked - |
| 10:03.00 | pupnik | then add -llibjpeg to that |
| 10:03.11 | Briget | ok |
| 10:03.18 | timelyx | you may or may not need a -L too ? |
| 10:03.48 | onion | Briget: reporting the given error message would be good |
| 10:03.48 | pupnik | i can't remember the difference :/ |
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| 10:05.34 | guru3 | -L is a directory to search for libraries to link |
| 10:05.45 | onion | well, of to get some lunch |
| 10:06.21 | guru3 | -llibname will link just that library |
| 10:06.27 | guru3 | probably what you want in this case |
| 10:08.04 | guru3 | ah -L is a directory (or list of them) in which to search for the -llib |
| 10:08.11 | guru3 | LIBRARY_PATH is also used |
| 10:08.27 | guru3 | i think, according to the man page |
| 10:12.27 | Briget | Pupnik: i check my makefile but there libjpeg is not included |
| 10:12.58 | Briget | will i add there -libjpeg ? |
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| 10:13.25 | lardman | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:13.37 | lardman | don't add the "lib" bit |
| 10:14.02 | lardman | but you do need the "-l" to tell it to link a library |
| 10:14.07 | Briget | hi lard man this _test . thank you for helping me |
| 10:14.28 | lardman | Briget: Np, did you get it working? |
| 10:14.49 | Briget | ya, |
| 10:14.54 | lardman | good |
| 10:15.21 | Briget | but as i m new i face lots of problems |
| 10:15.22 | matmo | reflashed. Well that was not nice |
| 10:17.12 | lardman | Briget: Best way to learn is trying it |
| 10:18.10 | Briget | ya... |
| 10:22.20 | lardman | kulve: You about? |
| 10:22.46 | lardman | kulve: Do you have any data on the speed differences between word and ipbuf transfers? |
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| 10:24.16 | kulve | no, I didn't check that |
| 10:25.14 | lardman | I need to transfer arguments to functions on the DSP side, I could pack them and the command in a buffer, but will only fit the command in a word |
| 10:25.47 | lardman | With that said, I may just set aside a small amount of shared memory as a parameter buffer and get the DSP to look at the data there when it receives a command |
| 10:26.12 | lardman | Will save altering anything else (which is good as I've had too many re-starts now!) |
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| 10:36.57 | pupnik | does the DSP allow you to see the load? i.e. a 'top' command>? |
| 10:37.13 | lardman | pupnik: there's something similar, under the sysfs entry |
| 10:37.35 | lardman | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:37.52 | lardman | that path may be a bit screwed up actually |
| 10:38.04 | pupnik | looking now - interesting stuff :) |
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| 10:39.29 | pupnik | path is correct but i have no cpuload on 770 it2006se |
| 10:39.41 | lardman | anything with cpu in it? |
| 10:39.48 | pupnik | cpustat shows "RUN" |
| 10:39.58 | pupnik | maybe i need to play something via dsp first |
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| 10:40.05 | lardman | no |
| 10:40.24 | pupnik | loadinfo - aah |
| 10:40.57 | lardman | my mistake, sorry |
| 10:42.07 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:42.21 | lardman | hmm, interesting maths there |
| 10:42.34 | pupnik | busiest 10ms 617% |
| 10:43.10 | lardman | I've got odd numbers too |
| 10:47.21 | pupnik | mplayer mp3dsp playback for youtube vids is around 28% |
| 10:48.00 | suihkulokki | youtube does not use mp3dsp, it uses pcm |
| 10:48.26 | lardman | you can force it to use the DSP from mplayer |
| 10:48.55 | lardman | at least that's what I remember |
| 10:48.58 | suihkulokki | ah, youre talking about mplayer, not flash |
| 10:48.58 | pupnik | ok. i saw a message from mplayer saying Selected audio codec: [dspmp3] afm: dspmp3 (MP3 audio pass-through for Nokia 770) |
| 10:50.29 | pupnik | so the high cpu when idle is probably just a maths error |
| 10:50.44 | lardman | pupnik: I imagine so, it should be in the kernel source somewhere |
| 10:51.00 | lardman | pupnik: Unless it's done in the avs_kernel |
| 10:55.14 | pupnik | well that gives a very rought idea of the performance |
| 10:55.28 | lardman | it's in the omap patch |
| 10:55.41 | lardman | though the raw data is from the DSP |
| 10:55.50 | lardman | http://www.muru.com/linux/omap/patches/patch-2.6.22-omap1.bz2 |
| 10:55.53 | lardman | for example |
| 10:56.36 | lardman | line 43944 - definition of loadinfo_show() |
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| 10:58.14 | pupnik | playering a slightly higher quality 22050khz mono mp3 gives 33% |
| 10:58.21 | pupnik | with gstreamer plugin |
| 10:58.30 | pupnik | i mean dspmp3sink |
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| 11:00.54 | pupnik | could the DSP map say 8MB of memory for a wave based midi player? |
| 11:01.19 | lardman | pupnik: Not sure how much it can map, but in theory yes |
| 11:02.05 | pupnik | ok. the full blown timidity can chew up to 50% of the 770 CPU, but i've also gotten some songs to play at around 12% cpu. |
| 11:02.18 | pupnik | so it should be doable for at least a subset of MIDI music |
| 11:03.40 | lardman | yeah, you should be able to send the track data to the DSP and it will return pcm data |
| 11:03.47 | lardman | let it do the number crunching |
| 11:06.02 | pupnik | yeah multi-channel sample playback is just copy, multiply, add |
| 11:09.00 | pupnik | pitched playback without filtering/interpolation is trivial too. then you need envelopes and loops which are also simple |
| 11:09.29 | lardman | you need to be able to chop up the processing into chunks so that it plays fairly with the DSP gateway |
| 11:11.28 | pupnik | a midi/mod player would be a great project |
| 11:11.32 | pupnik | ... for someone else! :P |
| 11:12.08 | lardman | why not you? ;) |
| 11:12.52 | pupnik | i'll think about it. it is tempting. |
| 11:13.48 | lardman | If you sketch out some code, we'll be happy to help out with the dsp link, then the next step is to make sure the code will run on the dsp |
| 11:14.05 | lardman | i.e. nothing smaller than 16bit data |
| 11:15.43 | pupnik | ok a barebones midi player on the ARM shouldn't be too hard... will let you know if i come up with something |
| 11:16.04 | lardman | good good, the more the merrier! |
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| 11:27.41 | lardman | pupnik: Hmm, looking at midi, doesn't one need a load of pre-generated sounds available? |
| 11:27.59 | lardman | Or some way of generating them, but to a specific format |
| 11:28.14 | Briget | lardman: in example.c outpath is outfile but i want to write the output to a char pointer how could i do that |
| 11:28.43 | lardman | Briget: where's the code? |
| 11:28.44 | _Monkey | i guess the code is clean, simple |
| 11:29.38 | pupnik | lardman: there are open-source / creative commons soundfonts available in 2MB, 8MB and larger sizes |
| 11:29.46 | Briget | in my project |
| 11:30.15 | lardman | Briget: Let's see it then, either an url or paste it on pastebin.com |
| 11:30.25 | Briget | ok |
| 11:30.27 | pupnik | lardman: they can also be synthesized at load-time via various software synthesizers |
| 11:30.39 | lardman | pupnik: yes, that's what I was thinking |
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| 11:30.55 | Briget | i will paste it to pastebin |
| 11:31.07 | lardman | pupnik: would make the code more complex though, might be best to use existing data first of all |
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| 11:32.11 | pupnik | Kobo deluxe synthesizes the sounds at load time, which makes game start-up take about 5 minutes. (heh) |
| 11:32.45 | lardman | I was thinking of synthesis at run-time |
| 11:33.01 | lardman | but that would probably be too intensive |
| 11:33.15 | Briget | Lardman: I have pasted it. |
| 11:33.23 | lardman | Briget: URL? |
| 11:33.36 | Briget | http://pastebin.com/d32f78099 |
| 11:33.47 | Briget | please check it. |
| 11:34.13 | lardman | so what do you want to do? |
| 11:34.58 | Briget | ya . i want to returned the comprssed image as char pointer |
| 11:35.03 | lardman | write to a buffer rather than a file? |
| 11:35.10 | Briget | ya ya ya |
| 11:35.23 | Briget | you r too good man |
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| 11:38.52 | lardman | One presumes that by altering the dest_mgr you could write to a buffer rather than a file in a specific format |
| 11:40.00 | Briget | ya |
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| 11:42.35 | lardman | Briget: Look in libjpeg.doc |
| 11:43.00 | lardman | Briget: it tells you how to make your data destination manager |
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| 11:44.01 | Briget | ok , i just now libjpeg.doc again |
| 11:44.08 | Briget | thanks |
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| 11:44.17 | lardman | np |
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| 11:46.04 | lardman | Briget: Look at jdatadst.c which is the stdio data destination |
| 11:46.23 | Briget | ok, thanks |
| 11:49.21 | lardman | Briget: there must also be pre-written code about on the interweb |
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| 11:52.41 | lardman | pupnik: Did you look at that omap patch? |
| 11:52.54 | lardman | pupnik: Looks like the DSP load goes from 0->10000 |
| 11:52.57 | Briget | ya. ya. i m checking it |
| 11:53.37 | lardman | pupnik: I've no idea why it produces funny figures, but it's probably on the DSP itself |
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| 11:56.07 | pupnik | i did not.. strange! |
| 11:56.16 | kikka | hi+ |
| 11:58.10 | Briget | lardman : in jpeg_stdio_dest (j_compress_ptr cinfo, FILE * outfile) method output is written to a out file but i need to write output to buffer so can i use a buffer instead of a filea |
| 11:58.27 | Briget | file |
| 11:59.23 | lardman | Briget: Well define your own set of callback functions, and rather than writing to a file do a memcpy from the jpeg temporary buffer to your buffer |
| 11:59.48 | Briget | ya |
| 11:59.59 | Briget | thank you |
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| 12:06.49 | Briget | lardman: here pixbuf_data->save("image", "jpeg",err) pixbuf can be saved as ppm/bmp format rather than jpeg format ? |
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| 12:11.43 | robl^ | Moooooo-orning |
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| 12:32.11 | robl^ | I am trying to install sqllite, but the installer complains about libreadline can't be found. |
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| 12:36.13 | pupnik_ | repositories? |
| 12:36.14 | _Monkey | repositories are not just a job, but an adventure! Add some for big win! http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories |
| 12:36.16 | pupnik_ | repository? |
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| 12:38.09 | pupnik_ | repository? |
| 12:38.09 | _Monkey | i think repository is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php |
| 12:38.58 | pupnik_ | robl^ see the searchable index for info |
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| 12:41.01 | robl^ | Ahhh thanks for the searchable |
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| 13:00.51 | robl^ | Hrmmmm. The repo search only found libreadline5...but sqllite needs 4 |
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| 13:01.14 | GS | hi |
| 13:01.22 | pupnik | i almost always see things using 5 |
| 13:01.25 | pupnik | ... The superscalar processor core is said to generate almost double the performance per MHz compared to previous generation versions, featuring deeper pipelines, higher frequency and dedicated Level 2 cache. |
| 13:01.29 | pupnik | The processor runs at 550MHz, rather than the typical 330 MHz for the OMAP 2 processors. |
| 13:01.36 | GS | someone know the name of package or repository for E17 see this http://members.iinet.net.au/~haste/nokia770.png |
| 13:01.49 | robl^ | Hai |
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| 13:03.03 | Nermal | ? |
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| 13:03.09 | robl^ | Hehehe |
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| 13:04.45 | pupnik | gonna be as fast as an anno 1999 desktop PC |
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| 13:05.47 | robl^ | will that be in the nokia N900 |
| 13:05.56 | pupnik | i don't know |
| 13:06.33 | pupnik | N800 is still too new for any news leaks |
| 13:07.54 | pupnik | but that cache and the core speed will mean good console emulation |
| 13:07.55 | robl^ | I look like a freak... Carrying an N800, and 2 blackberry devices...almost as many gadgets as Batman's utility belt |
| 13:08.07 | pupnik | why 2? |
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| 13:09.02 | robl^ | One is work only, other is personal...but the n800 has almost replaced the personal one |
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| 13:33.36 | cypherbios | ls |
| 13:33.57 | erstazi | cypherbios: . |
| 13:33.59 | erstazi | cypherbios: .. |
| 13:34.43 | cypherbios | ops, sorry, xchat window is not a console window :) |
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| 13:37.26 | GS | someone know the name of package or repository for E17 see this http://members.iinet.net.au/~haste/nokia770.png ???????? |
| 13:39.24 | cypherbios | GS: I'm not sure, but I guess it is vnc over another Linux computer |
| 13:40.20 | GS | cypherbios, mmm i0m not sure |
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| 13:41.06 | GS | "Rasterman is doing a great work porting E17 to N800" |
| 13:41.34 | cypherbios | GS: in this case, forget about what I said :) |
| 13:42.02 | GS | hehe |
| 13:42.39 | GS | http://maemofr.org/viewtopic.php?id=471 |
| 13:43.32 | GS | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1nS9kOtA7A <- WTF!! |
| 13:43.55 | GS | vnc? ;) |
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| 13:45.00 | cypherbios | GS: btw, the e17 thing looks great |
| 13:45.47 | keesj | GS: also check this blog http://blog.gustavobarbieri.com.br/ for cool "e" stuff |
| 13:46.08 | pupnik | you might want to search internettablettalk.com for E17 |
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| 13:49.56 | GS | know another plugin or applet for wireless network signal??? |
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| 14:50.18 | pupnik | sorry GS i don't know answers. Kismet might work now. |
| 14:51.51 | Nermal | someone I know donated his 770 to a kismet developer to improve kismet support on the 770/800 |
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| 15:03.15 | timseves | Is this the right channel to ask about IT OS 2007 Hacker edition on N770? |
| 15:03.34 | Nermal | probably :) |
| 15:06.05 | Daniellion | i would try it but i cant take a full snapshot of the current os |
| 15:06.26 | Daniellion | wish there was a utility like ghost to just take a full clone of the internal memory |
| 15:08.02 | odiv | boot from rs-mmc and use different ones? |
| 15:10.21 | timseves | I've installed IT OS 2007 HE succesfully on a N770 and it's working very well, except that I now don't seem to be able to delete files or folders from the removable card. I can format it, create new folders and save files on it (though not copy or move them to it). Does any one know what's going on? |
| 15:11.09 | timseves | I've tested the above conditions use Note and File Manager |
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| 15:11.46 | matmo | hi ho. Is there an ftp server for maemo apps? |
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| 15:18.15 | Nermal | timseves: odd :| |
| 15:18.40 | timeless | try xterminal |
| 15:25.21 | timeless | you tend to get much better errors from it |
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| 15:55.24 | jaek | uh, is there a windows flasher tool i can download? |
| 15:56.33 | cesman | yes, there is |
| 15:56.43 | cesman | as I don't use Windows, I don't have the link |
| 15:56.59 | cesman | should be on the Nokia site |
| 15:57.41 | jaek | official site, not maemo.org? |
| 15:58.26 | jaek | my 770 is acting up, cant install or update any apps |
| 15:58.36 | jaek | gunna flash it instead of finding the problem ;) |
| 15:58.48 | Daniellion | yeah |
| 15:58.50 | timseves | jaek: if you start at the official site and follow the links for OS upgrades there is a link to the windows tool there |
| 15:58.52 | Daniellion | my app list is failing |
| 15:58.53 | Daniellion | again |
| 15:59.06 | Daniellion | wish that app would just say bad url and still update the other stuff |
| 15:59.11 | Daniellion | rather then just bombing out the update |
| 15:59.34 | jaek | timeseves thanks |
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| 15:59.56 | Daniellion | timeless the waht? |
| 16:01.41 | jaek | Download the Nokia Internet Tablet Software Update Wizard and save it to your computer. |
| 16:01.45 | jaek | but it doesnt have a link.... |
| 16:03.06 | jaek | http://www.nokiausa.com/A4410232 |
| 16:03.11 | jaek | where is the link... anyone see it? |
| 16:04.38 | jaek | nvm, i just wont update it |
| 16:05.00 | jaek | Daniellion, you say that if the app manager fails to install/update it is cus of bad URLs? |
| 16:06.32 | Daniellion | i think so |
| 16:06.52 | Daniellion | i had to put iin some url's |
| 16:06.53 | jaek | http://nds1.nokia.com/files/support/global/phones/software/Nokia_Internet_Tablet_Software_Update_Wizard.exe |
| 16:06.55 | Daniellion | for updates |
| 16:06.56 | jaek | direct download ;) |
| 16:07.12 | jaek | had to use google, cant find it using nokia's website |
| 16:07.56 | Daniellion | nifty |
| 16:08.02 | Daniellion | goiong on my flash drive |
| 16:08.08 | Daniellion | too bad they don't have a mac version |
| 16:10.58 | jaek | anyone know what is the best upnp video player to use on a 770? |
| 16:11.03 | jaek | got to catch up on my monk episodes |
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| 16:18.46 | eijk | Hi! |
| 16:19.50 | jaek | does the windows software updater differ for the 770 and the 800? |
| 16:24.43 | jaek | i never updated this in windows... holding down the "home" key does nothing |
| 16:29.43 | Daniellion | is this jsut update whts on there ? or does it list packages to install too? |
| 16:30.32 | jaek | i'm trying to flash it |
| 16:30.36 | jaek | with the windows software |
| 16:33.49 | jaek | wow, this windows update software is retarded |
| 16:33.55 | jaek | now it is telling me my windows clock is not right |
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| 16:46.13 | timseves | timeless: I can delete files using the xterminal from the mmc card that I cannot delete using the File Manager |
| 16:46.24 | timseves | timeless: very odd |
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| 16:47.28 | timseves | timeless: is it possible that my IT OS 2006 backup which got restored when I upgraded could be interfering? |
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| 17:06.40 | odiv | I want lunch. |
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| 17:09.41 | robl^ | Lunch is overrated |
| 17:13.43 | jaeek | anyone know where i could get a replacement stylus for the 770? |
| 17:13.53 | jaeek | my nephew lost both of mine |
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| 17:22.02 | tru | hey, I have problem setting up sbox2 for maemo. (I need sbox2 because I have a ia64 linux box). |
| 17:22.18 | tru | sb2-init runs fine but then it craps out when I am trying to apt-get packages. |
| 17:25.14 | odiv | So what online radio do you guys listen to with this? |
| 17:25.50 | suihkulokki | tru: you need to use the emu mode |
| 17:26.30 | tru | suihkulokki: ok? I just followed the guide in the INSTALL file of sbox2. any hints? |
| 17:27.27 | suihkulokki | sb2 -e apt-get update |
| 17:27.32 | suihkulokki | tru ^ |
| 17:27.45 | robl^ | Coast to coast radio. Need to listen about time traveling aliens trying to control humans with bio-engineered fake chocolate |
| 17:28.42 | suihkulokki | tru: -> #scratchbox , I don't think anyone has tried ising IA64 host |
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| 17:32.41 | tru | suihkulokki: thanks. |
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| 17:38.27 | roope | the new iPod Touch. :) With Wifi. |
| 17:40.23 | robl^ | Does it run Linux? :-) |
| 17:40.40 | timeless | who wants to run linux? |
| 17:40.41 | ezod | hi, i'm trying to get a devel environment set up according to the maemo 2.2 tutorial |
| 17:40.47 | timeless | linux is for people who like poor quality software |
| 17:40.51 | ezod | so before i go any farther |
| 17:41.02 | ezod | is that what i should be doing if i want to develop for the 770? |
| 17:41.18 | celesteh | trolling is timeless |
| 17:41.35 | timeless | http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/8/ |
| 17:41.45 | timeless | seems like gregale is indeed the latest 770 official platform |
| 17:42.02 | timeless | _monkey forget trolling |
| 17:42.03 | _Monkey | timeless: I forgot trolling |
| 17:42.09 | timeless | _monkey trolling is <reply> |
| 17:42.10 | _Monkey | OK, timeless. |
| 17:42.29 | ezod | right |
| 17:45.04 | ezod | so i'm working through the tutorial and there's inconsistencies - e.g., xephyr is nowhere to be found in the rootstrap tarball it specifies |
| 17:45.12 | ezod | so i work around (xnest in that case) |
| 17:45.16 | roope | Like the iPhone, without the phone. That's quite... overlapping the tablets. |
| 17:46.23 | timeless | ezod: be warned |
| 17:46.45 | timeless | getting xnest to have the right quirky resolutions and stuff is hard |
| 17:47.07 | ezod | well i suppose i can try to get xephyr going, but like i said, its not in the rootstrap :) |
| 17:47.10 | ezod | regardless |
| 17:47.11 | ezod | http://glorfindel.homeip.net/~aaron/maemo_error.txt |
| 17:47.17 | ezod | thats what im stuck on now |
| 17:47.23 | ezod | and google is no help |
| 17:47.26 | timeless | roope: where's this new ipod? |
| 17:47.56 | timeless | ezod: i hit that when i was trying to use scratchbox |
| 17:48.03 | timeless | fwiw, sh -x af-sb-init.sh start |
| 17:48.06 | timeless | can be kinda like a friend |
| 17:48.19 | timeless | actually, sh -x `which af-sb-init.sh` start |
| 17:48.27 | timeless | iirc some variable isn't properly set |
| 17:48.34 | timeless | and it gets confused and does something moderately supid |
| 17:49.00 | ezod | thats been the story with every problem ive had so far |
| 17:49.24 | ezod | well thanks, ill take a look |
| 17:49.55 | ezod | btw, what did you mean by "when i was trying to use scratchbox"? |
| 17:50.04 | ezod | is there another supported environment? |
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| 17:50.29 | Id3rfix | hello boys |
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| 17:50.58 | Id3rfix | i got a problem with nokia 770 |
| 17:51.24 | Id3rfix | i have installed kismet |
| 17:51.50 | Id3rfix | then when i do sudo gainroot |
| 17:52.09 | Id3rfix | and after i write kismet |
| 17:52.29 | Id3rfix | i receive a reply as |
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| 17:57.29 | Id3rfix | /usr/bin/kismet_server: error while loadiy [1] + Done (127) ${BIN} /ki } |
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| 17:58.05 | Id3rfix | this is the error that i see on the shell |
| 18:04.38 | ezod | ok, so i figured out what it is (problem above) |
| 18:05.22 | ezod | /scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner complains the file doesn't exist for cpu transparency method |
| 18:05.43 | ezod | im not using qemu-arm or whatever because the tutorial specified to use 'none' |
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| 18:06.25 | Blacksitox | hi :) |
| 18:11.33 | Id3rfix | where can i find the old file kismet2006 ? |
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| 18:39.18 | jaeek | i'm trying to use canola with tversity |
| 18:39.34 | jaeek | when i go to shared video, it just sits there with the status indicator twirling.... |
| 18:39.48 | jaeek | i have the windows firewall open for tversity |
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| 18:49.39 | jaeek | nvm got it |
| 18:53.49 | MKB | might be just me, but i think the n800 just got a bad beating from this.. http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/05/ipod-touch-gets-official/ |
| 18:57.22 | lle2 | uhhuh x) |
| 18:58.51 | MKB | sure it can't do all the things than the n800 can, but the way it does it's thing is quite something |
| 18:59.39 | lle2 | great, now we can do the UI design the only feasible way that gets results, clone from apple |
| 19:02.07 | MKB | lle2: :) |
| 19:06.47 | lle2 | I hope we can do that without someone having any ego issues about it, like trying to insist that the tablet is really a PC and should have the windows level of usability problems |
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| 19:08.33 | theril | I happen to think that apple UI's suck for all but simplest morons |
| 19:09.33 | lle2 | I'm happy to be a simple moron when I'm not working |
| 19:09.55 | lle2 | I don't like to solve problems just to check email |
| 19:10.44 | theril | And if you like doing something a bit differently than Apple Way(TM), you're screwed |
| 19:11.23 | lle2 | yeah, but that's because the Apple Way is pretty good, if it's not for you, don't bother fighting it, get something else |
| 19:11.28 | theril | For example the Finder is endless source of frustration |
| 19:11.43 | lle2 | show me a file manager that isn't |
| 19:11.50 | theril | zsh ;) |
| 19:11.59 | lle2 | yeah |
| 19:12.43 | theril | And with this fanboying spreading, I'm afraid that soon there's nothing else to get |
| 19:12.54 | lle2 | not apple's fault |
| 19:13.19 | lle2 | I don't understand how it can be good business practise for everybody else to make total piece of shit laptops |
| 19:14.23 | lle2 | even the traditional safe haven of thinkpads has been ruined |
| 19:15.13 | procto | that's why I use the n800 |
| 19:15.15 | procto | xterm |
| 19:15.17 | procto | ssh |
| 19:15.25 | theril | I don't really have opinion on that, because I've never used laptop that isn't hell to use |
| 19:15.27 | procto | I'm sitting in class right now :> |
| 19:15.54 | procto | I replaced my laptop with the n800 and a desktop |
| 19:16.36 | lle2 | theril: computers suck, that's why it's funny that we (nokia) insist on that bizarre multimedia computer thing |
| 19:23.56 | theril | lle2: I don't think that computers suck much more than any other electrical devices |
| 19:24.49 | celesteh | i dunno. my lamp is very solidly reliable |
| 19:25.00 | celesteh | only have to change the bulb once every few years |
| 19:25.05 | celesteh | very portable |
| 19:26.07 | theril | My lamps burn in about a month |
| 19:26.24 | celesteh | you need those compact flourescent bulbs |
| 19:26.28 | theril | In fact I didn't have a lamp in my bedroom for whole summer, because I got tired of changing them |
| 19:26.40 | theril | Yeah, I have one now :) |
| 19:26.44 | procto | glasses suck, too, but that doesn't mean that I wouldn't wear them if I needed them |
| 19:26.57 | procto | so we're stuck for computers |
| 19:27.05 | procto | s/for/with/ |
| 19:27.40 | lle2 | almost anything that has software in it is bound to suck |
| 19:27.44 | celesteh | wow an infobot and a monkey. |
| 19:28.12 | procto | who's the monkey? |
| 19:28.13 | _Monkey | hmmm... the monkey is a not-very-smart bot |
| 19:28.28 | theril | I have eyeglasses and I almost never use them |
| 19:28.29 | procto | ah |
| 19:28.35 | lle2 | monkey is an idiot |
| 19:28.39 | procto | theril: well, there ya go |
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| 19:46.24 | eijk | Hi! Is anybody here who is suffering from the memory corruption instabilities related to WLAN use on the 770 (see https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=677 and https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=820)? |
| 19:46.53 | eijk | I might have a workaround... |
| 19:57.58 | disq | so when's the price drop on the n800? :P |
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| 19:58.04 | disq | oh, hi btw |
| 19:59.51 | ||cw | or some new killer app for it... the new ipod with wifi and safari and 16GB at $399 is stiff competition |
| 20:00.17 | ||cw | if the ipod had bluetooth I think I'd be sold |
| 20:00.39 | celesteh | can the ipod run gps software? i got my n800 to be a bike computer |
| 20:02.54 | WhisperingVoices | presumably you have it hooked up to a GPS phone |
| 20:08.42 | celesteh | no, i use the nokie GPS bluetooth dongle |
| 20:10.32 | ||cw | celesteh: not right now, but it's only a matter of time. I'm guessing the iphone unlock will work on it with minimal mods at most |
| 20:11.38 | ||cw | yeah, bt gps, I took my 770 on a canoe trip with google maps sat images for the map, was pretty cool |
| 20:12.18 | celesteh | well, unless you get a wifi-enabled bluetooth dongle, you'll have to wait for a future revision |
| 20:12.38 | celesteh | their hot new feature at apple is strabucks integration. that just . . sucks. |
| 20:13.48 | keesj | I solved this problem earlyer but I really don't rember how. I am updating a repository and the "icons" are not put in the Packages.gz |
| 20:14.30 | keesj | I used: dpkg-scanpackages -m repository /dev/null |
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| 21:07.22 | tso | hmm, it looks as if the N800 just got one-upped... |
| 21:07.58 | Fatal | reference? |
| 21:08.43 | celesteh | soon the n800 will also have a tool to let you know which tune just got played over the walmart loudspeakers |
| 21:11.08 | rev | exciting!@! |
| 21:11.14 | rev | :D |
| 21:11.23 | rev | my neuros had that, never tried it |
| 21:12.28 | tso | Fatal: iphone without the phone part. also known as ipod touch |
| 21:12.41 | Paavo | interesting times. no way the n800 will compete in the mass market against ipod touch 16 gb at the same price. |
| 21:13.09 | tso | hell, you dont even need itunes to buy music any more with it. just a wifi connection... |
| 21:18.02 | roope | ... and an itunes account. ;) |
| 21:19.13 | rev | well, who needs that? |
| 21:19.14 | roope | yeah, anyway. the iphone is very nice, i'm sure that will also be. |
| 21:19.14 | rev | i mean |
| 21:19.20 | tso | and im sure the device can fix, if apples anything close to smart |
| 21:19.35 | rev | someone will open it and you'll be able to FTP your mp3s from your machine :) |
| 21:20.02 | roope | well. i'm not too sure about that. |
| 21:20.08 | Paavo | i wonder if apple will add email support in a firmware update? |
| 21:20.12 | roope | you need to build the database for the music files also. |
| 21:20.22 | roope | it's not like it just looks into a folder and does it runtime. |
| 21:20.44 | roope | album art etc., itunes provides it all for the deviec. |
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| 21:45.49 | kriebz | maybe Nokia will wake up and build a successor to the N800 |
| 21:46.03 | kriebz | or not |
| 21:46.16 | kriebz | Palm bailed on their Linux mini-laptop |
| 21:47.08 | rev | haha, i saw that |
| 21:47.13 | rev | too big for me persoally |
| 21:47.21 | rev | i'd love another Jornada 720 or sigmarion 3 like device |
| 21:47.30 | rev | basically, something with a 5 or maybe 6" screen with a keyboard |
| 21:47.47 | rev | but unlike the J720 or Sig 3, have a convertible screen ala the zaurus, so it could be used as a tablet too |
| 21:48.23 | rev | make the n800 a convertible with a real J720-quality keyboard and i'd be on in a second |
| 21:48.26 | tso | sad really, as the foleo could in theory show what a arm based laptop could be capable off... |
| 21:48.41 | rev | the foleo, for me, is big enough that i'd just take my OLPC or macbook pro |
| 21:48.44 | lardman | I agree, a keyboad would make the device far more usable in my view |
| 21:48.46 | rev | whereas the J720 or sig3 i could fit in my pocket |
| 21:48.48 | tso | but really surprised me today is the ati news |
| 21:49.33 | rev | mind you, i have big pockets, the legacy of carrying around a Newton; for me, a newton sized (screensize) device is perfect, though physically smaller, and there's no reason that couldn't be the case |
| 21:49.37 | rev | tso: what happened? |
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| 21:50.06 | kriebz | the newton was only a bit bigger than the N800, wasn't it? |
| 21:50.15 | tso | they said they will release specs for the more recent chips soon, including a skeleton driver. and hopefully a working 2d driver later on |
| 21:50.20 | lardman | quite a bit bigger |
| 21:50.26 | lardman | thicker |
| 21:50.29 | kriebz | yeah |
| 21:50.32 | tso | kriebz: i had the impression that it was more like a umpc... |
| 21:50.49 | kriebz | the newton was like a giant palm |
| 21:50.54 | kriebz | there was a model that had a keybaord |
| 21:50.58 | kriebz | same OS |
| 21:51.05 | kriebz | but not the same thing |
| 21:51.14 | kriebz | but I've never held a newton, so I wasn't sure |
| 21:51.23 | zap | Hello! Sorry for intervention, but is it possible to run Maemo on Zaurus 3200? |
| 21:51.34 | lardman | ~lart tremor for its multiple layers of indirection |
| 21:51.34 | infobot | DoSes tremor for its multiple layers of indirection |
| 21:52.12 | lardman | zap: I think koen added the OS maemo bits a while back, so in theory yes, but I'm not sure if it's up to date |
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| 21:52.57 | zap | hmm I see only maemo-mapper in the feeds |
| 21:53.11 | lardman | aargh, I thought it was all going a bit too smoothly, vorbis_info structs are rather large and complex |
| 21:53.58 | zap | Maemo depends on the underlying kernel somehow? Or it will work on openembedded kernel fine? |
| 21:54.01 | lardman | zap: You probably need to set your machine and alter the distro, though it may require alterations to the conf files. Not sure, probably a better question for Angstrom |
| 21:54.23 | lardman | should be fine on whatever kernel |
| 21:54.33 | RantyDave | Hey, anyone know if I can get an N800 to use a web proxy? |
| 21:54.40 | RantyDave | I'm currently using the MicroB browser.... |
| 21:54.56 | zap | there are problems like battery, backlight and other not-quite-standard things |
| 21:55.03 | lardman | in the connection settings perhaps? |
| 21:55.27 | lardman | zap: yes, probably, though these should be easy enough to fiddle around |
| 21:56.11 | RantyDave | Ah, connection settings .... didn |
| 21:56.17 | RantyDave | didn't think to look there :) |
| 21:57.00 | RantyDave | There are some web browser specific settings and I thought it might be there ... or maybe not. |
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| 21:58.18 | timeless | you can try to use about:config |
| 21:58.29 | timeless | but we're required by spec to honor the connectivity proxy settings |
| 21:58.39 | timeless | so you'd have to disable something and pray |
| 21:58.56 | timeless | oh, and if your proxy settings don't work, and you aren't using English, you'll get a very unhappy error message |
| 21:59.06 | timeless | so don't misconfigure your proxy :) |
| 22:01.18 | lardman | Any vorbis/Tremor experts awake at this time of the evening? |
| 22:01.20 | RantyDave | Ah! *the* timeless! Good work on the browser, guys. |
| 22:02.01 | RantyDave | Go to go. Work calls. |
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| 22:23.50 | tso | hmm, i see that after installing microb on my 770 it also has a entry of webcore. is that the same as webkit, or something else? |
| 22:25.28 | tso | bah, forget it. im going to bed |
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