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| 02:05.34 | rcknight | hello |
| 02:05.34 | _Monkey | hola, rcknight |
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| 04:19.19 | oil | good morning |
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| 04:39.18 | setite | hey kagu media player is pretty damned cool |
| 04:40.16 | setite | inertia scrolling is more fun than i expected |
| 04:44.34 | unique311 | setite you new to maemo? |
| 04:45.49 | oil | hey, do you know how to import cert file to the n800/770 from the shell? |
| 04:45.55 | Blacksitox | bye |
| 05:16.22 | unique311 | setite, the log in issues for gizmo forum, change your password and it will fix the problem. |
| 05:16.37 | setite | change it where |
| 05:16.37 | _Monkey | setite: that doesn't look right |
| 05:16.40 | setite | on gizmo |
| 05:16.45 | unique311 | yes |
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| 05:16.51 | setite | new to maemo? |
| 05:16.59 | setite | huh _Monkey |
| 05:17.00 | _Monkey | i am an annoying bot |
| 05:17.16 | setite | you sort the problems out |
| 05:18.04 | unique311 | well, going to post the issues on the forum and see if sharon has fixes for them |
| 05:18.31 | unique311 | password change has to be done from the client |
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| 05:21.26 | setite | how do i change my password |
| 05:21.43 | unique311 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:21.44 | unique311 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:21.46 | unique311 | sorry |
| 05:22.10 | unique311 | hmmm |
| 05:22.15 | unique311 | go with lower case |
| 05:22.23 | unique311 | i just changed it and still didn't work |
| 05:23.58 | unique311 | lowercase worked.. |
| 05:24.10 | unique311 | no cap letters |
| 05:25.16 | setite | i got it with new password |
| 05:26.08 | setite | now i logged out.. changed my password back to the old one and logged in again :) |
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| 05:27.41 | unique311 | with caps? |
| 05:27.58 | setite | i never use caps :) |
| 05:28.12 | unique311 | ok. |
| 05:28.26 | setite | i like the smell of mink oil |
| 05:28.35 | unique311 | hopefully this person sharon has a fix for this. |
| 05:28.45 | unique311 | what router do you have setite? |
| 05:28.55 | setite | ummmm |
| 05:29.05 | setite | the new 240mhz buffalo |
| 05:29.10 | setite | ummm... g125 i think is the model |
| 05:29.19 | unique311 | runnign dd-wrt right? |
| 05:29.21 | setite | same firmware as you |
| 05:29.22 | setite | ya |
| 05:29.42 | unique311 | the firewall on the router is on |
| 05:29.44 | unique311 | ? |
| 05:29.51 | setite | always |
| 05:30.21 | unique311 | whats the security on for wireless set.. |
| 05:30.33 | unique311 | to |
| 05:30.46 | unique311 | i'm using wpa2 |
| 05:31.20 | unique311 | I made a call to the chatline...and i heard sound. |
| 05:31.26 | setite | me too |
| 05:31.37 | setite | chatline |
| 05:31.47 | unique311 | the call to you now is a different story |
| 05:31.52 | unique311 | i don't get sound |
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| 05:35.32 | unique311 | setite, call the chatline |
| 05:35.45 | setite | k |
| 05:36.07 | setite | how |
| 05:36.22 | unique311 | you should see it in the contacts |
| 05:36.45 | setite | i dont see it |
| 05:36.59 | unique311 | its called partyline |
| 05:37.26 | setite | odd |
| 05:37.34 | setite | i see it on my call log.. but not my contacts |
| 05:40.10 | setite | im there |
| 05:40.46 | setite | i her you |
| 05:40.57 | setite | i wonder if something is wrong with my mic |
| 05:40.58 | unique311 | i cannot hear |
| 05:40.59 | unique311 | lol |
| 05:41.01 | setite | i think i hear you typing |
| 05:41.10 | unique311 | beta is screwed on my n800 |
| 05:41.22 | setite | well i see you |
| 05:41.26 | setite | got your cam o ut |
| 05:41.32 | setite | i mwan hear you |
| 05:41.57 | setite | yea my own video is not showing |
| 05:42.00 | setite | so vid wont work |
| 05:42.21 | setite | odd that you cant hear me |
| 05:42.24 | unique311 | yeah |
| 05:42.29 | setite | does that indicate a problem on your side or mine |
| 05:42.52 | unique311 | problem with my install |
| 05:43.02 | unique311 | until you try it out with someone else. |
| 05:43.08 | unique311 | we won't know for sure |
| 05:43.19 | setite | well skype worked... so it might be a safe assumption |
| 05:43.54 | unique311 | its definitely the new version running on my tablet. |
| 05:44.47 | unique311 | i can hear sound from the pc version |
| 05:47.56 | setite | from the forum |
| 05:47.57 | setite | So since you have only one way audio with all Gizmo to Gizmo, where you cannot hear them, that indicates that you are not properly receiving the audio stream to your device/client. Please ensure your following inbound ports are open in order to receive this audio stream. You can also experiment bypassing your firewall by connecting your computer directly into the the DSL/Cable modem or placing the IP of your Computer/Device in the DMZ config of |
| 05:48.24 | setite | i want to make sure your forwarding the right ip |
| 05:48.45 | setite | your checking your tables to see what ip is assigned to the nokia then setting that ip as the forwarded ip? |
| 05:48.52 | setite | you know an idea |
| 05:48.58 | setite | put your nokia in the DMZ |
| 05:49.03 | setite | thats a good idea |
| 05:49.10 | setite | nokia should be safe from intrusion right |
| 05:49.30 | WhisperingVoices | um |
| 05:49.33 | WhisperingVoices | not really |
| 05:49.36 | timelyx | not at all |
| 05:49.38 | WhisperingVoices | it uses wireless and bluetooth |
| 05:49.51 | setite | well he shouldnt have to worry for this |
| 05:49.51 | timelyx | given that it has a default well known root password |
| 05:49.51 | unique311 | no |
| 05:49.59 | unique311 | it can't be my router |
| 05:50.00 | timelyx | and that at times the xserver listed to all ip addresses |
| 05:50.01 | setite | simply testing to see if the problem is the routing |
| 05:50.11 | unique311 | the gizmo i have installed on the notebook works fine |
| 05:50.22 | timelyx | unique311: does gizmo do STUN? |
| 05:50.24 | setite | im assuming he changed the root password |
| 05:50.38 | timelyx | setite: you're assuming the rest of the platform is secure |
| 05:50.48 | timelyx | i'm only naming the two bugs i know offhand in that logic |
| 05:50.52 | unique311 | I don't do dmz |
| 05:50.54 | timelyx | there could easily be others |
| 05:51.03 | unique311 | thats out of the question. |
| 05:51.06 | setite | im assuming that he can put it outside the dmz for a period of 10 minutes wihtout worrying about all hell breaking loose ot see if its the routing |
| 05:51.08 | unique311 | i have the correct ip. |
| 05:51.21 | setite | ok then... assume its the nokia then |
| 05:51.29 | unique311 | setite, if it was the router |
| 05:51.44 | timelyx | setite: technically iirc in the past w9x boxes would be rooted in under 10mins of exposure |
| 05:51.48 | timelyx | not sure if that's still the case today |
| 05:51.52 | unique311 | gizmo running on my notebook would have the same issues |
| 05:51.57 | timelyx | it was definitely one of the cooler features of the interweb |
| 05:52.04 | unique311 | and the older version of gizmo works fine on the table. |
| 05:52.04 | unique311 | t |
| 05:52.05 | setite | timelyx you've proven your point.. moving on |
| 05:52.25 | unique311 | timelyx |
| 05:52.26 | _Monkey | somebody said timelyx was timelyx's mac, it has scrollback |
| 05:52.32 | unique311 | do you have gizmo installed |
| 05:52.33 | unique311 | ? |
| 05:52.38 | timelyx | yes |
| 05:52.47 | timelyx | but my wifi point changed its password |
| 05:52.48 | unique311 | can you contact me. |
| 05:52.49 | timelyx | and i don't know it :) |
| 05:52.57 | unique311 | ok |
| 05:53.14 | timelyx | i intend to fix it after my vacation which starts at the end of the week and lasts for a month |
| 05:53.20 | unique311 | then again setite it might be on your side. |
| 05:53.32 | unique311 | not recieving voice |
| 05:54.05 | setite | well going by the gizmo mods if im getting you but your not getting my audio... then its a port issue |
| 05:54.16 | setite | i got audio and voice from you and you got video from me |
| 05:54.51 | unique311 | 5060 |
| 05:54.55 | unique311 | sip port |
| 05:55.08 | unique311 | maybe i should open that up for my n800 |
| 05:55.41 | setite | Gizmo Project uses the following port numbers: |
| 05:55.41 | setite | Incoming UDP port 5005 (RTCP - Real Time Control Protocol) |
| 05:55.41 | setite | Incoming UDP port 64064 (Gizmo default for SIP messaging) |
| 05:55.41 | setite | Incoming UDP port 5004 (Gizmo default for RTP traffic (the actual voice messages) |
| 05:55.42 | setite | Outgoing TCP port 7070 (SRS relay and Jabber protocol) |
| 05:55.44 | setite | All outgoing UDP ports above 1023 |
| 05:56.31 | unique311 | i have those forwarded already |
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| 05:59.36 | setite | i know you do.. as do i |
| 05:59.52 | setite | ah well.. i would say try calling someone else |
| 06:01.12 | unique311 | beta software, no one is using besides a couple of people from ITT |
| 06:01.45 | unique311 | but then again i did try it with another individual from ITT and it i wasn't getting audio |
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| 06:02.39 | unique311 | going to try the dmz troubleshoot |
| 06:02.42 | unique311 | in a few |
| 06:03.07 | unique311 | have to post this segfault error i recieve when it crashes. |
| 06:04.30 | setite | well according to everyone else you might not want to do that since your nokia will get rooted |
| 06:04.33 | setite | mwuhahaha |
| 06:06.13 | unique311 | ok, so it gets rooted. |
| 06:06.33 | unique311 | when i place it back inside the safe zone, i don't have to worry do i? |
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| 06:09.01 | setite | i honestly cant see a handheld getting rooted over wifi in 10 minutes |
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| 06:09.14 | setite | but thats me... im a windows guy so im not as paranoid as linux folk |
| 06:09.36 | N800 | going to call you |
| 06:10.02 | N800 | no sound |
| 06:10.08 | N800 | can you hear me? |
| 06:10.10 | setite | i hear you lound and choppy |
| 06:10.34 | setite | ill go dmz too |
| 06:10.39 | N800 | no sound. |
| 06:11.08 | N800 | i hear sound on the party line |
| 06:11.53 | setite | i hear sound oo |
| 06:11.59 | `0660 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:12.01 | N800 | are you in dmz? |
| 06:12.09 | N800 | going to call you. |
| 06:12.18 | setite | someone was in there.. haha |
| 06:12.38 | timelyx | setite: i'm mostly opposed to giving bad generic advice. |
| 06:12.47 | setite | uh huh ok |
| 06:12.54 | setite | yea i hear nothing at all now |
| 06:13.00 | setite | i think im dmz |
| 06:13.00 | N800 | speak |
| 06:13.02 | setite | never tried it |
| 06:13.09 | N800 | say somehting |
| 06:13.17 | N800 | i hear you |
| 06:13.25 | setite | i dont hear you now |
| 06:13.27 | setite | what did you do |
| 06:13.28 | setite | haha |
| 06:13.32 | N800 | lol |
| 06:13.35 | N800 | this is strange |
| 06:13.43 | N800 | ok |
| 06:13.48 | setite | this is fucking annoying |
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| 06:16.01 | unique311 | k, i'm back in the safe zone. |
| 06:16.38 | setite | you using irc on the nokia or pc |
| 06:16.45 | unique311 | notebook |
| 06:16.50 | setite | or is n800 the nick for your n800 |
| 06:17.09 | unique311 | i just registered the n800 nick for the heck of it.. |
| 06:17.16 | unique311 | irc on my notebook. |
| 06:17.36 | setite | i gotta go to bed soon |
| 06:17.42 | setite | got any ideas to try out? |
| 06:17.46 | unique311 | i get sound now |
| 06:17.54 | setite | and i dont |
| 06:17.59 | setite | one last call |
| 06:21.10 | unique311 | i hear you |
| 06:21.15 | unique311 | not sure you can hear me |
| 06:21.15 | setite | i heard you too |
| 06:21.21 | setite | the video is fucking it up i think |
| 06:21.24 | setite | pull your cam out |
| 06:21.28 | setite | look at the clock |
| 06:21.33 | setite | its not counting smoothly |
| 06:21.38 | setite | its freezing alot |
| 06:22.25 | setite | is your wifi signal low |
| 06:22.48 | setite | i almost had a smooth sentence |
| 06:23.08 | unique311 | noo |
| 06:23.17 | unique311 | aidio is really bad |
| 06:23.18 | setite | no you cant hear me or cant understand |
| 06:23.23 | setite | yea what abotu video |
| 06:23.30 | setite | on my end audio and video from you are shite |
| 06:23.42 | unique311 | not sure whayt i'm looking at |
| 06:23.45 | setite | and the timer keeps locking up proving that this isnt stead |
| 06:23.51 | setite | your lookeing at my wall |
| 06:24.18 | unique311 | i see a picture |
| 06:24.27 | unique311 | but cannot make it out |
| 06:25.06 | setite | wtf is going on wiht this... i mean they mentioned needing to optimize but this is ridiculous |
| 06:25.11 | setite | lemme try something.. dont hang up |
| 06:25.33 | setite | argh i said dont hang up |
| 06:25.43 | unique311 | k |
| 06:26.31 | setite | stuck at 2 second |
| 06:26.35 | setite | did the call sync |
| 06:26.37 | setite | ok there |
| 06:34.52 | setite | did you hang up |
| 06:35.37 | unique311 | no |
| 06:35.44 | unique311 | skype is frozen. |
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| 07:54.20 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 08:29.56 | AD-N770 | good morning |
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| 08:41.03 | dneary | hi |
| 08:41.25 | dneary | Anyone know where the Sofia SIP guys hang out? |
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| 08:59.20 | madgoat | hi can anyone tell me how to wipe the memory on an n800? |
| 08:59.31 | madgoat | quick solution - I'm selling it |
| 09:01.08 | gla55_ | reflash? |
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| 09:04.37 | madgoat | hmm suppose so |
| 09:04.42 | madgoat | didn't work when I last tried |
| 09:05.00 | Jaffa | Should do. You'll have to format the memory card too |
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| 09:09.49 | madgoat | thx |
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| 09:54.32 | dneary | What audio codecs are supported in Sofia SIP? |
| 09:57.31 | Robot101 | dneary: the rtcomm beta? |
| 09:57.33 | Veggen | dneary: I got it to work with ulaw at least when hooking it up to an Asterisk. |
| 09:57.43 | Veggen | dneary: But not researched further. |
| 09:57.54 | Robot101 | dneary: whatever ones are there in gstreamer, otoh it's ulaw, alaw, iLBC and G.729 |
| 09:57.56 | dneary | Robot101: Maybe? |
| 09:58.02 | dneary | The one that's been released |
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| 09:58.16 | Robot101 | well it's just a SIP stack, it doesn't have any media stuff |
| 09:58.21 | Veggen | Robot101: Sounds right. |
| 09:58.21 | dneary | Robot101: So there's GPL G729 code in there? |
| 09:58.28 | Robot101 | (sofia sip, the library) |
| 09:58.29 | dneary | And iLBC? |
| 09:58.30 | Veggen | dneary: hmm, doubt it. |
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| 09:58.38 | Robot101 | no, they're proprietary plugins |
| 09:58.42 | dneary | Veggen: That's kind of what I was wondering about |
| 09:58.43 | Robot101 | actually, based on the DSP |
| 09:59.08 | dneary | Looking for some GPL compatible G729, G723.1 and G722 code, and iLBC to boot if I can get it |
| 09:59.12 | Veggen | dneary: I settled for ulaw for now, because I haven't got iLBC/G729 on my Asterisk-server. |
| 09:59.18 | Robot101 | but farsight should pick up any usable sets of encoder/decoder/payloader/depayloader you have installed in gstreamer |
| 09:59.45 | dneary | Looks like I'm chasing a holy grail |
| 09:59.51 | Robot101 | iLBC has a reference implementation under a GPL-incompatible license, and various proprietary implementations |
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| 10:00.01 | dneary | Robot101: I know |
| 10:00.02 | Robot101 | G.729 I don't really know but it seems very unlikely |
| 10:00.05 | Robot101 | lots of patents around |
| 10:00.09 | dneary | So does G729 and G723.1 :) |
| 10:00.40 | dneary | I don't know about G722 - someone told me that's another name for AMR-WB |
| 10:00.47 | dneary | But that doesn't wound right |
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| 10:02.47 | Robot101 | most people who claim to support these things in free s/w are probably breaking at least some licenses if not some patents too |
| 10:04.33 | dneary | Ah - "A more recent variant, G.722.2, also known as AMR-WB ("Adaptive Multirate Wideband"), offers even lower bit-rate compressions, as well as the ability to quickly adapt to varying compressions as the network topography mutates." <- From wikipedia |
| 10:04.51 | dneary | Robot: I'd prefer to infringe patents than break licences |
| 10:05.12 | dneary | You can probably argue that an exception for iLBC is warranted, since it's so widespread |
| 10:06.04 | dneary | But there's no reason that we (!) couldn't write an LGPL implementation of G729 without licencing the patents (and let the chips fall where they may) |
| 10:06.10 | lardman | morning |
| 10:06.11 | _Monkey | aloha |
| 10:06.39 | dneary | It seems to be a choice - valid patent licence or free software licence, but not both |
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| 10:12.44 | IRCFrEAK | hi I can't get the updater to work on my N800 :( |
| 10:13.02 | IRCFrEAK | what could I be doing wrong? my N800 shows the usb logo top right, but the updater says it can't find it |
| 10:13.59 | IRCFrEAK | the update procedure is retarded :( |
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| 10:16.33 | IRCFrEAK | does it need to be a nokia usb cable or will any do? |
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| 10:18.24 | cambba | IRCFrEAK: any cable should work...have you removed the memory cards? |
| 10:18.44 | IRCFrEAK | yes |
| 10:18.55 | IRCFrEAK | I'm just reinstalling the updater to see if that works |
| 10:19.54 | cambba | you are using that windows app? |
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| 10:20.35 | IRCFrEAK | yeah |
| 10:20.41 | IRCFrEAK | it didn't seem to install any USB driver |
| 10:22.05 | cambba | ok, no experience with that, but with linux flasher you have to boot the device with home key pressed |
| 10:22.30 | IRCFrEAK | yeah done that here |
| 10:22.39 | IRCFrEAK | is the linux flasher likely to work on mac? |
| 10:22.53 | cambba | well, yes |
| 10:23.00 | cambba | there is a mac version |
| 10:23.37 | cambba | it was an old version, but it works with OS2007 too |
| 10:24.21 | IRCFrEAK | only seems to be for PPC Mac |
| 10:24.30 | cambba | doesn't matter |
| 10:24.37 | IRCFrEAK | really? |
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| 10:25.13 | cambba | well I have used that |
| 10:25.18 | IRCFrEAK | ah cool ok, |
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| 10:43.45 | IRCFrEAK | cool it worked. Thanks :) |
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| 11:51.41 | trevarth1n | so, I uploaded my latest version of Kagu to garage.maemo.org. How do I make sure that it gets out to maemo.org/downloads? |
| 11:52.12 | trevarth1n | I don't see it in the repo: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/gregale/free/k/kagu/ |
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| 12:00.14 | trevarth1n | nm. looks like I need an upload account. |
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| 12:08.20 | pupnik | thanks for posting that - i'm curious about the howto on that |
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| 12:27.00 | Blacksitox | hi :P |
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| 12:35.09 | erstazi | howdy |
| 12:35.09 | _Monkey | hey, erstazi |
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| 12:38.11 | erstazi | hi pupnik_ |
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| 13:01.32 | theril | Does anybody know if there's something weird in the N800 audio plug's mic-connector? |
| 13:02.00 | `0660 | i didn't even know it existed :) |
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| 13:02.22 | theril | I made an adapter which splits the 4-pole jack to two inputs for input and output. The output works fine, but the input still comes from the internal microphone |
| 13:02.37 | theril | `0660: Its in the headphone plug |
| 13:02.46 | theril | It's |
| 13:02.52 | `0660 | do you think it's supported? |
| 13:03.03 | theril | It works with the headset that comes with the device |
| 13:03.09 | `0660 | oh |
| 13:03.11 | theril | And I made the adapter out of a headset |
| 13:03.19 | `0660 | cool :) |
| 13:03.49 | pupnik | i tore into the 770 package so fast i don't remember what was in it |
| 13:03.57 | theril | Oh, btw, free advice to everybody: Never by a Coldheat soldering iron! |
| 13:04.08 | pupnik | ok? |
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| 13:42.47 | procto | anyone know of a way to force the n800 to use a certificate for a wlan netwoek? |
| 13:42.55 | procto | network* |
| 13:43.08 | procto | the certificate comes with the n800 |
| 13:43.27 | procto | but for some reason, the Server Certificate dropdown is blank |
| 13:43.32 | procto | when connecting |
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| 13:49.52 | theril | Does anyone know a good eletronic component store in Helsinki? |
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| 14:14.51 | unique311 | cool picture |
| 14:14.55 | unique311 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=73120&posted=1#post73120 |
| 14:14.58 | unique311 | javafx mobile |
| 14:15.44 | Jaffa | Source? |
| 14:15.45 | _Monkey | i heard Source was there |
| 14:15.54 | Jaffa | _Monkey: source is <reply> |
| 14:15.54 | _Monkey | ...but source is there... |
| 14:16.00 | Jaffa | _Monkey: no, source is <reply> |
| 14:16.01 | _Monkey | ...but source is there... |
| 14:16.01 | lardman | Jazelle...? |
| 14:16.02 | _Monkey | jazelle is a hardware extension for some ARM processors (like the one in the N800) that allows direct bytecode execution |
| 14:16.33 | lardman | How do we stop the bot from replying like that? |
| 14:16.36 | celesteh | java on the n800? |
| 14:16.53 | Jaffa | lardman: done. |
| 14:17.01 | Jaffa | Source? |
| 14:17.03 | Jaffa | see :) |
| 14:17.06 | lardman | cool :) |
| 14:17.30 | celesteh | is there working java lurking in a repository someplace? |
| 14:17.30 | lardman | Would be better to have him reply after a tilde |
| 14:17.51 | lardman | celesteh: Yes, see the page linked from that post |
| 14:18.16 | celesteh | w00t |
| 14:18.24 | lardman | It's been around for ages |
| 14:18.32 | lardman | I presume the GUI bindings are still dodgy |
| 14:18.44 | lardman | Certainly used to work fine for command line stuff |
| 14:18.55 | unique311 | source on the website.. |
| 14:19.16 | unique311 | but its for openjfx not sure if thats the same as javafx mobile |
| 14:19.44 | celesteh | oh, this is not a repository that can be accessed via, say, application manager |
| 14:20.02 | celesteh | this is the command line only thing. |
| 14:20.03 | celesteh | alas |
| 14:20.25 | celesteh | I want to run my GUI java apps on my N800. one day . . . |
| 14:20.30 | unique311 | https://openjfx.dev.java.net/source/browse/openjfx/ |
| 14:20.46 | lardman | celesteh: I may be wrong, I only wanted command line, the GUI stuff may have moved on |
| 14:20.51 | unique311 | on ITT some guy is saying in a couple of days.. |
| 14:21.23 | celesteh | i downloaded this a few weeks ago. so if it's advanced, it's really alpha |
| 14:22.08 | lardman | Is it possible to obtain the binary of Esmertec’s Jbed (cldc/cdc) JVM? |
| 14:22.20 | lardman | I see that implements Jazelle acceleration |
| 14:22.29 | lardman | and that it's used in mobile phone handsets |
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| 14:23.06 | robtaylor | lardman: i think one of the free ones figured out jazelle support |
| 14:23.15 | robtaylor | lardman: can't remember which though |
| 14:23.23 | lardman | robtaylor: Really?! |
| 14:24.11 | procto | so does anyone know how to assign certificates to wlan networks? |
| 14:24.28 | procto | I have the cert, and it's marked trusted |
| 14:24.37 | procto | but it doesn't come up in the dropdown |
| 14:24.51 | procto | I thought the n800 supported WPA2 |
| 14:25.23 | unique311 | i just want to run a couple of .jar apps, like i run certain flash programs.. |
| 14:25.50 | unique311 | tried jalimo, but i'm no good at command line. |
| 14:26.25 | unique311 | heard mono was a good alternative that does java. |
| 14:26.38 | unique311 | but couldn't get that going also. |
| 14:27.01 | robtaylor | lardman: i may have just imagined it =) |
| 14:27.15 | ysss | I LOVE MY N800!!! |
| 14:27.19 | ysss | sorry, just had to say it. |
| 14:27.43 | lardman | robtaylor: I think you might of, I had a pretty good look a few weeks back |
| 14:28.16 | keesj | ysss: :p |
| 14:30.33 | ysss | keesj: i've had it for a couple of weeks and i'm still in awe... |
| 14:30.46 | ysss | just updated to Claws 3.0 .. anyone using that? |
| 14:31.14 | pupnik | how's it working for you? |
| 14:32.38 | ysss | very nice, but i'm missing the split-view layouts. I want to split folder view + message view. |
| 14:33.24 | ysss | Have you used it? Do you know how to set that? |
| 14:34.04 | robtaylor | lardman: http://www.jalimo.org/wiki/doku.php?id=news:linuxtag2007 might help someone though (slide 34) |
| 14:35.16 | lardman | That's what we started out with |
| 14:35.23 | lardman | I've done a fair bit since then |
| 14:35.55 | lardman | But still don;t know what needs to be setup before entering jazelle mode |
| 14:36.07 | lardman | hence the wondering if there are any binary jvms that use Jazelle |
| 14:37.55 | lardman | hmm, doesn't look like mobile phones do flash upgrades |
| 14:37.57 | lardman | shame |
| 14:38.41 | pupnik | ysss: no, no |
| 14:40.30 | robtaylor | lardman: I'd gues all thats needed is an interrupt handler to switch back |
| 14:41.12 | lardman | robtaylor: Yes and no, there are other things that look like they need to be setup |
| 14:41.13 | ysss | pupnik: ok |
| 14:41.36 | lardman | robtaylor: We're also not sure which registers to pass the addresses in, and indeed the form of the undefined bytecode handler table |
| 14:41.57 | lardman | robtaylor: Take a look at the maemo-dev list and do a search for Jazelle |
| 14:43.18 | keesj | microb was really a missing link |
| 14:43.20 | unique311 | pupnik, pcsx2 running on the desktop fps steady at 25 |
| 14:43.35 | unique311 | epsxe runs really nice. |
| 14:44.27 | ysss | i think epsxe was the best psx emu on pc when i was trying them out.. |
| 14:44.31 | pupnik | cool... i haven't gotten the new GPU engine integrated into pcsx yet |
| 14:44.35 | pupnik | agree epsxe best for linux |
| 14:44.38 | unique311 | but until i can get my hand on pcsx2 0.9.4 the final fantasy games will not be able to play |
| 14:45.17 | pupnik | i play ffix on epsxe - there's only a couple of spots where i have to switch to pcsx to get past problem areas |
| 14:45.43 | unique311 | i played it yesterday, memories. |
| 14:45.48 | unique311 | i really like that game |
| 14:46.18 | ysss | scummvm <- memories |
| 14:46.19 | pupnik | yeah it's solid all around. great soundtrack, amazing scenery |
| 14:46.35 | robtaylor | lardman: tb, its best not to look at someone else's implementation. You'll almost be certain to have to clcik though a no-RE clause |
| 14:47.06 | robtaylor | lardman: figureing it out teh slow way at least leaves you less open to legal recourse |
| 14:47.39 | lardman | robtaylor: yeah, just sort of stuck now unfortunately |
| 14:48.12 | lardman | robtaylor: I'll have another fiddle with it when I get bored, or if some more info gets released - I should do some more paper/patent hunting really |
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| 14:48.36 | lardman | time for some caffeine |
| 14:50.13 | robtaylor | lardman|afk: i'd guess the unhandled bytecode handler would look very much like an unhandled instruction handler |
| 14:50.41 | robtaylor | lardman|afk: seed the interupt table with some useful debugging :) |
| 14:51.46 | lardman | robtaylor: Well the unhandled ARM instruction handler is a vector table, this will presumably be similar, but the question is where it should be in memory, and whether the ARM side handles the jumping into the table, or if the Jazelle code jumpt directly |
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| 14:52.03 | latzko | hi |
| 14:52.07 | latzko | I have a GtkButton with an image in it setting up by gtk_button_set_image. If relief is none, the button looks good at normal state but when I select or press it, it has borders, Can you help me not to have borders at all? |
| 14:52.46 | unique311 | pupnik any news on mtpaint? |
| 14:53.17 | lardman | robtaylor: the other problem is that the actual branch to Jazelle mode instruction behaves curiously - the instruction pointer seems to run on a long long way past any probable valid Java bytecodes |
| 14:53.41 | pupnik | no |
| 14:54.04 | lardman | robtaylor: depending on exactly what you pass to it, and what the values of teh other registers are, etc. (and whether the bytecode is 8bit aligned or 32bit) |
| 14:54.19 | lardman | robtaylor: All in all rather confusing |
| 14:56.19 | robtaylor | lardman: read http://www.arm.com/linux/patch-2.6.21-arm1.gz ? |
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| 14:58.55 | lardman | robtaylor: Interesting, I'll have to see what a Jazelle abort actually means |
| 14:59.42 | robtaylor | Jaffa: yeah, and xenonstate in include/asm-arm/thread_info.h looks interesting |
| 15:00.42 | robtaylor | s/Jaffa/lardman |
| 15:00.53 | robtaylor | lardman: along with the related bit in __switch_to |
| 15:02.21 | lardman | I'll have a read - some background, but it seems to be related to lower level stuff than what one would need to actually start Jazelle doing something |
| 15:02.37 | lardman | It's related to data aborts I think |
| 15:02.53 | lardman | Might have some pointers though |
| 15:03.00 | robtaylor | lardman: yeah |
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| 15:08.52 | lardman | I wonder.... |
| 15:08.57 | lardman | http://www.arm.com/linux/linux_download.html |
| 15:09.31 | lardman | The RealView Versatile PB/AB board has a Jazelle enabled processor |
| 15:09.50 | lardman | nah, probably wouldn't have anything Jazelle related |
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| 15:10.49 | trevarthan | Is anyone here using that PhoneME/J2ME stuff for the n800 yet? I'm thinking about doing a Kagu port to J2ME in the near future. |
| 15:11.22 | Jaffa | lardman: no reference to Java in the usage notes PDF |
| 15:12.08 | lardman | Jaffa: I wasn't thinking straight, the only thing they might have there is kernel related and that's in the patch anyway |
| 15:12.35 | Jaffa | They could've had a binary blob, but they probably won't give that away |
| 15:13.51 | lardman | I don't actually think it needs any kernel support - that was the first theory - patching the exception vector |
| 15:14.02 | lardman | but a binary blob for the runtime is quite probable |
| 15:17.10 | lardman | http://news.zdnet.co.uk/communications/0,1000000085,2111010,00.htm gives another patent to look at |
| 15:17.18 | lardman | http://www.google.com/patents?q=6332215+&btnG=Search+Patents |
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| 15:19.13 | lardman | got to go, back later/tomorrow |
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| 16:23.04 | sladen | suihkulokki: jazelle stuff? |
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| 16:31.36 | suihkulokki | sladen: see http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2007-09-04.log.html for backlog |
| 16:41.08 | sladen | suihkulokki: one of the main reasons that lardman's test-case isn't doing the expected is because bipush() only takes a single byte as a parameter, not four bytes. |
| 16:41.41 | sladen | so was is being executed is bipush(0), nop, nop, nop, push rather than push(42) |
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| 16:45.19 | sladen | lardman: 8bit aligned |
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| 16:54.52 | robl^ | Yay formthe N800 |
| 16:55.57 | tso | ? |
| 16:57.45 | robl^ | Ok, I have yet to master typing on this. But I love the N800 after 3 days. I amongstready to retire blackberry |
| 16:58.19 | robl^ | Errrr... almost ready |
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| 17:01.29 | Jaffa | robl^: you've got a decent email client? |
| 17:02.31 | robl^ | Jaffa: not yet. Using default email app. Any suggestions? |
| 17:03.08 | celesteh | clawsmail |
| 17:03.08 | celesteh | hey, monkey_, what's the url for clawsmail? |
| 17:04.11 | celesteh | what is clawsmail? |
| 17:04.11 | celesteh | _monkey, what is clawsmail? |
| 17:04.11 | _Monkey | no idea, celesteh |
| 17:04.15 | tso | imo the ui for clawsmail is overkill like no other. the buildt in app works ok. only issue is that it cant check and keep seperate multiple accounts at the same time... |
| 17:04.27 | celesteh | _monkey, what is claws mail? |
| 17:04.27 | _Monkey | no idea, celesteh |
| 17:04.33 | tso | maemo.org/downloads |
| 17:04.42 | celesteh | stupid monkey |
| 17:04.51 | robl^ | My only gripe with email is that it combines multiple accounts into one inbox |
| 17:06.04 | tso | thats what i meant with "keeping seperate" |
| 17:07.48 | robl^ | I'll try clawsmail. All of my accounts are imap4 |
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| 17:48.51 | trevarthan | wow, I've been checking out that ubuntu mobile thing. pretty cool use of hildon. |
| 17:49.13 | trevarthan | This is cool too: http://elisa.fluendo.com/screenshots/ |
| 17:49.36 | trevarthan | they're considering using the same UI library in ubuntu mobile, apparently. |
| 17:49.47 | erstazi | trevarthan: interesting |
| 17:49.52 | erstazi | definitely bookmarking that one |
| 17:50.09 | trevarthan | I wonder what sort of hardware they have in mind. |
| 17:50.31 | trevarthan | x86 they say, but small enough to fit in a purse? interesting. |
| 17:50.47 | tso | must be via or something |
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| 17:51.38 | trevarthan | that full screen application launcher home applet looks really cool. |
| 17:51.45 | trevarthan | I want one on my n800. :) |
| 17:52.35 | tso | refering to? moblin? |
| 17:53.24 | trevarthan | yeah, I guess so. I hadn't noticed moblin before. |
| 17:54.08 | trevarthan | yeah, here it is: http://www.moblin.org/screenshot_ui01.html |
| 17:54.21 | tso | iirc modlin is a intel project for a series of x86 consumer umpc's, mid's... |
| 17:55.20 | tso | and i suspect that it to use hildon as a basis for the ui... |
| 17:55.37 | trevarthan | ouch. looks like MIDs directly compete with Nokia's N series. |
| 17:56.28 | trevarthan | http://www.engadget.com/2007/04/16/intels-mid-umpcs-so-long-xp-vista-hello-linux/ |
| 17:56.31 | tso | its basically the same thing, only replace the arm in the 770/N800 with a x86 from intel |
| 17:56.49 | trevarthan | not made by nokia though. |
| 17:57.20 | tso | but funnily i think most will go via within a generation or two. it seems their cpus are the ones that are closest to arm when we talk computing power pr watt |
| 17:57.50 | tso | trevarthan: given how intel have managed things so far, thats a good thing imo |
| 17:57.52 | trevarthan | yeah. I've had a few via epia CPUs in the last few years. They're good devices. |
| 17:58.14 | lle2 | it's not just the cpu |
| 17:58.24 | lle2 | you have to count in the whole hw platform |
| 17:58.28 | trevarthan | tso: you don't think Intel can compete? Or you think Intel will improve the market? |
| 17:58.38 | lle2 | cpu is just one tiny fraction of the total power consumption |
| 17:59.09 | trevarthan | lle2: yeah, it's just a pain to cross compile. everyone likes to dev for x86 better. |
| 17:59.11 | tso | lle2: that may be, but its a significant one when its eating multiple watts on idle |
| 17:59.41 | tso | that and the displays backlight are the biggest single parts iirc |
| 18:00.41 | lle2 | tso: with the omaps idling is around ~10mA, with the wlan on, the x86 platforms have their work cut out for them |
| 18:01.42 | tso | i know lle2, last think i read was that via had a new one out that used 1W on idle. close but still not close enough... |
| 18:01.46 | lle2 | trevarthan: how about helping with sb2 then? :) |
| 18:02.46 | tso | kinda interesting that linus thinks that its only arm that can potentially topple x86 from the current throne |
| 18:02.51 | pupnikafk | booo x86 boooooo |
| 18:03.31 | trevarthan | sb2? |
| 18:03.35 | trevarthan | scratchbox2? |
| 18:03.37 | lle2 | scratchbox2 |
| 18:03.58 | trevarthan | wouldn't that still be cross compiling? |
| 18:04.03 | lle2 | sure |
| 18:04.07 | lle2 | but made easy |
| 18:04.21 | trevarthan | I try to just do everything in python and stay away from C/C++ these days. |
| 18:04.26 | lle2 | pretty much the polar opposite of scratchbox1 |
| 18:04.26 | tso | as linux shows, if the coding is done right, cross compiling should be simple |
| 18:04.38 | trevarthan | not always possible, but it's surprising how much you can do that way. |
| 18:05.10 | lle2 | cross compiling *is* simple, gcc does that pretty well, it's just the build systems that suck so bad |
| 18:05.17 | trevarthan | lle2: I like scratchbox1, I just don't like not being able to share binaries with x86. |
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| 18:05.49 | trevarthan | anyway, gtg. back later. |
| 18:05.52 | lle2 | trevarthan: well, there's amazingly little that can be done to alleviate that |
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| 18:08.27 | lle2 | I see the MIDs and UMPCs as yet another iteration of the "tablet pc" concept, not going to work in real life |
| 18:08.44 | lle2 | it can't replace the laptop and it can't replace the phone |
| 18:08.58 | tso | it all depends on the apps |
| 18:09.02 | lle2 | same goes obviously for internet tablets |
| 18:09.26 | lle2 | they're physically too big to replace the phone |
| 18:09.40 | lle2 | and physically too small to replace the laptop or desktop pc |
| 18:09.44 | tso | im guessing the mid will be something like what archos has in its 605wifi |
| 18:09.45 | gla55_ | 770&800 complement the phone quite nicely now.. imho |
| 18:10.08 | tso | as in a media player with web browsing ability |
| 18:10.49 | tso | still, with the right app and a keyboard, i can see myself do (simple) word prosessing and spreadsheets on a small device. and not a smartphone |
| 18:11.36 | gla55_ | i see them more as for consuming data not creating |
| 18:11.54 | gla55_ | 770 is a lot nicer to read books from than a smartphone in some ways |
| 18:12.13 | tso | i use my 770 to make simple entries on my blog ;) |
| 18:12.34 | tso | the onscreen thumbs keyboard works ok for that |
| 18:13.02 | tso | sure, there is not much layout control. but i dont need that |
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| 18:15.39 | lle2 | well, I just don't see ordinary people carrying anything but a phone with them all the time |
| 18:16.07 | pupnikafk | 770/800 + stowaway kbd would be a great purse-computer |
| 18:16.08 | gla55_ | i don't see it for ordinary people either |
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| 18:16.39 | lle2 | and ordinary people dictate which device categories will have the huge volumes that drive prices down |
| 18:17.26 | tso | but now that i think about it, more and more phones are getting support for putting stuff on pages like youtube and flickr directly |
| 18:17.45 | tso | and facebook has a mobile version |
| 18:18.17 | lle2 | yeah, some compromises are typically needed for the phone version of those services, but it's mostly acceptable |
| 18:18.18 | tso | and i think some blogger systems allows you to use mms, sms and maybe even mail to put content up |
| 18:18.34 | lle2 | sometimes it's even very handy, like with the gmail middlet |
| 18:19.05 | tso | and opera mini 4 looks like one hell of a contender to iphones browser ;) |
| 18:19.09 | gla55_ | i one button push upload stuff regularly to flickr from my phone |
| 18:19.26 | gla55_ | the built in software for sending stuff to flickr sucks tho |
| 18:19.29 | tso | what phone is that? |
| 18:19.44 | gla55_ | n95 with shozu as the software |
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| 18:20.00 | gla55_ | used to do a lot with n70 + merkitys/meaning as the software |
| 18:20.08 | gla55_ | can location tag too if i wish with gps |
| 18:20.37 | tso | hmm, flickr has a mobile page |
| 18:20.51 | gla55_ | for random blog stuff i doubt i'd bother with carrying 800 just for that |
| 18:23.13 | Daniellion | anyone else here on Verizon ? using their cell as a modem.. found something interesting the 770 reads the phones file system |
| 18:23.23 | Daniellion | Thoguh it appears read only |
| 18:23.28 | Daniellion | sorry write only |
| 18:23.39 | Daniellion | no overwright |
| 18:23.47 | sladen | reading a write only filesystem? |
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| 18:25.07 | Daniellion | must be RW/non overwrite |
| 18:25.35 | Daniellion | i could for example see the directories and drag files from the 770 to the phone over Bluetooth.. but i couldn't delete or move |
| 18:26.21 | tso | strange |
| 18:26.49 | Daniellion | yeah i know |
| 18:27.03 | Daniellion | its an LG 8550 |
| 18:27.12 | Daniellion | wonderfull modem btw for the 770 |
| 18:27.57 | tso | i use a SE z710 for the same |
| 18:29.02 | tso | i just want to get some ad2p headphones. those jabra BT8010 looks interesting ;) |
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| 18:33.18 | Daniellion | im using one of the nokia bt headsets |
| 18:35.11 | tso | well im interested in the jabra because its modular. i can unplug on half of it and use is as a normal handsfree if i want that |
| 18:39.53 | Jaffa | tso: Just got Sony DR-BT10CXs - only 17ukp (~$30) |
| 18:40.10 | Jaffa | Looks like providing a proper GUI for the A2DP setup should be straightforward, too |
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| 18:52.15 | t][s][o | hmm, i keep overloading the router :( |
| 18:53.29 | pupnikafk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOkTrqTd0hw Solid State tesla coil as a music speaker. (geeky) |
| 18:54.05 | t][s][o | heh, makes me think of when they buildt that generator on mythbusters. "Stop sparking my ass!" |
| 18:54.34 | pupnik | in the related videos there's a bigger one too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ff_AXVlo9U |
| 18:56.19 | t][s][o | hmm, toshiba talks about the future of laptop makers... |
| 18:56.49 | t][s][o | and i cant stop thinking about microsoft patenting a system for docking a smartphone to a tv to turn it into a kind of pc... |
| 18:57.16 | t][s][o | may we live in interesting times indeed |
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| 19:18.49 | pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5n58Jc7YtMk this is depressing... look how fast the GP2X does NES |
| 19:19.17 | pupnik | 60 fps |
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| 19:20.07 | pupnik | ok 55-57 fps on some games |
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| 19:40.32 | Blacksito | brbr |
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| 19:46.26 | Blacksitox | re |
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| 20:45.08 | sri | howdy |
| 20:45.08 | _Monkey | hola, sri |
| 20:45.18 | sri | hey hey |
| 20:45.18 | _Monkey | hey, sri |
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| 21:29.32 | odiv | hi. |
| 21:30.12 | pupnik | strange monkey didn't respond to that |
| 21:30.20 | pupnik | hi |
| 21:30.53 | pupnik | multiboot? |
| 21:30.54 | _Monkey | multiboot is probably "LILO supreme being - 5th element - protect *you*" http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_Partition_your_MMC_card |
| 21:32.33 | odiv | Hm. I can't seem to install osso-xterm. Says I don't have some required packages (including some libraries). Did I miss something? |
| 21:32.43 | odiv | This is on my 770, os2006 |
| 21:39.24 | pupnik | exactly which osso-xterm are you installing? |
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| 21:45.30 | odiv | let me check. |
| 21:45.52 | odiv | 0.13.mh24bora1 |
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| 21:58.42 | odiv | thoughts? |
| 22:02.22 | pupnik | hmm |
| 22:02.36 | odiv | trying again. |
| 22:02.42 | pupnik | bora is not for it2006 |
| 22:03.27 | odiv | I probably added the wrong repository. thanks. |
| 22:03.45 | odiv | or catalogue, or whatever. |
| 22:03.54 | pupnik | you want mistral and gregale repos |
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| 22:04.16 | pupnik | repositories? |
| 22:04.17 | _Monkey | repositories are not just a job, but an adventure! Add some for big win! http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories |
| 22:05.13 | odiv | Yeah, I had the bora hacker one on there by accident. |
| 22:09.53 | odiv | Now I just have to wait for my 2gb rs-mmc card to come. |
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| 22:16.20 | pupnik | :) |
| 22:16.50 | pupnik | odiv: do you have a keyboard for the 770? |
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| 22:21.20 | odiv | nah, not yet. |
| 22:21.28 | odiv | checking ebay, might go with one of those iGos. |
| 22:25.32 | TonyMaro | odiv: I got the Think Outside "universal" and other than the fact it weighs twice what my Nokia does, I love it. |
| 22:27.12 | onion | now what.. wlan scanning works only if device is flat on the table |
| 22:28.28 | odiv | Yeah, looking at those. How much did you pay? |
| 22:28.35 | odiv | ~$65? |
| 22:29.46 | TonyMaro | odiv: $76 + ship: |
| 22:29.47 | TonyMaro | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000ORGD64/105-8045011-6335625 |
| 22:30.11 | TonyMaro | It's got a stainless steel outside, and a nice zipper case for it. Feels very solid. |
| 22:30.20 | TonyMaro | Company bought, so I wasn't too worried about the price ;-) |
| 22:30.53 | TonyMaro | I understand you can get drivers to make the HP Ipaq keyboards work. |
| 22:31.05 | TonyMaro | but this think outside worked first try |
| 22:35.12 | rcknight | TonyMaro: how does it work holding the nokia? Can you adjust any? |
| 22:36.27 | TonyMaro | rcknight: I don't use the stand - I use the Nokia's. The stand stores in the back of the keyboard, and I've only taken it out once. |
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| 22:36.57 | TonyMaro | rcknight: trying it now |
| 22:37.22 | TonyMaro | Seems to be only a 45 degree prop |
| 22:38.01 | rcknight | you have 770 or 800? |
| 22:38.57 | TonyMaro | 800. I'll post a pic of the stand in a second |
| 22:39.04 | TonyMaro | Gotta BT it off my phone first |
| 22:39.13 | rcknight | ok. thanks, |
| 22:41.06 | TonyMaro | That's odd... neither of my mmc cards are showing in the file explorer. Uhoh. |
| 22:41.31 | odiv | I wish my 770 had ports on the side like an 800. |
| 22:41.34 | odiv | ah well. |
| 22:43.48 | TonyMaro | rcknight: Here ya go, a really bad pic, but shows the stand: |
| 22:43.49 | TonyMaro | http://www.maro.net/ns/kbstand.jpg |
| 22:44.04 | TonyMaro | my leather case has a stand built in, which is what my nokia is propped with |
| 22:44.36 | TonyMaro | actually I have the stand backwards from the orientation of my nokia in that pic |
| 22:44.57 | TonyMaro | the two pins sticking up would rest on the back of the Nokia, not the flat part. |
| 22:45.17 | TonyMaro | The front of the stand is a soft rubber with dimples in it to prevent slippage. |
| 22:45.35 | odiv | So what indispensable things do you guys do with these? |
| 22:45.58 | TonyMaro | odiv: Play games? |
| 22:46.01 | TonyMaro | :) |
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| 22:46.32 | TonyMaro | I also wrote a nice Bible + Book of Mormon study application for it. |
| 22:46.43 | TonyMaro | that's really what mine gets used for most - reading. |
| 22:47.25 | pupnik | hey TonyMaro nice job on that game |
| 22:48.11 | TonyMaro | pupnik: Thanks! |
| 22:49.06 | pupnik | Are you more interested in making it like a roguelike, or a plot-driven RPG? |
| 22:49.11 | TonyMaro | Plot driven |
| 22:49.17 | TonyMaro | very "Bard's Tale"-ish |
| 22:49.22 | pupnik | Nice |
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| 22:51.07 | pupnik | Well keep at it - you probably won't get too much feedback early on. The portion of the community into gaming is not very large. |
| 22:52.32 | odiv | Yeah, I plan to use mine for reading, mostly. |
| 22:52.33 | TonyMaro | rcknight: Hey, here's 2 more pics for ya: http://www.maro.net/ns/closed.jpg http://www.maro.net/ns/open.jpg |
| 22:52.43 | odiv | I have a palm lifedrive that I was reading on before this. |
| 22:52.55 | odiv | I wish there were buttons on both sides of the 770 though. |
| 22:53.08 | odiv | ah well. |
| 22:53.30 | pupnik | odiv did i show you my mockup of a tablet with that? |
| 22:53.33 | odiv | It seems a little more akward than the palm to hold while reading because of button placement. I might just not be used to it yet. |
| 22:53.37 | TonyMaro | I'm all about making interfaces that don't require the stylus, and barely rely on the buttons. |
| 22:53.55 | TonyMaro | Thummim has two screen based buttons for forward / backward. |
| 22:53.59 | TonyMaro | on the right side |
| 22:54.08 | TonyMaro | you can use those instead of the hardware button |
| 22:54.13 | pupnik | nice |
| 22:54.44 | TonyMaro | I'll also let you open any plain text document for reading, and support bookmarks and highlighting for them. |
| 22:54.47 | TonyMaro | it'll* |
| 22:56.49 | TonyMaro | Geeze my RAZR takes some horrible pictures. |
| 22:57.03 | TonyMaro | You can't get them to not smear for anything |
| 22:57.15 | pupnik | pics of an lcd screen - or in general? |
| 22:57.20 | TonyMaro | in general |
| 22:57.29 | TonyMaro | looking at those keyboard pics I just posted showed just how bad it is |
| 22:57.35 | TonyMaro | and I reduced those from the original res. |
| 22:57.42 | pupnik | heh |
| 22:57.57 | TonyMaro | I'll never buy another RAZR. I got 6 for us, and every one of us hate them. |
| 22:58.28 | pupnik | what else is suboptimal? |
| 22:58.45 | TonyMaro | The darn keypad... every person who has one complains they misdial all the time. |
| 22:58.45 | odiv | and I'm done work. |
| 22:58.48 | odiv | Thanks again for the help. |
| 22:58.56 | pupnik | ok - cheers |
| 22:58.59 | TonyMaro | have a nice night |
| 22:59.33 | TonyMaro | pupnik: Not to mention, they required encrypted games, you can't install any freeware software on it, or buy from a third party other than your carrier. |
| 22:59.47 | pupnik | bleh |
| 23:00.04 | pupnik | how is dialing on that flat number pad? |
| 23:00.40 | pupnik | there's a very cheap benq that copies the razr design - similar pad |
| 23:00.42 | TonyMaro | pupnik: Like I just stated - we all hate the number pad. You'd think the buttons were big enough to hit, but I'm always pushing the wrong button. |
| 23:00.50 | pupnik | oh i missed that |
| 23:01.12 | TonyMaro | The only time I dial right on the first try is if it's stored in the address book, lol |
| 23:01.55 | TonyMaro | I was a victim of Moto Marketing... I bought into the hype when they were released. |
| 23:02.28 | TonyMaro | My next phone will probably be a cheap Samsung. |
| 23:05.22 | TonyMaro | pupnik: I think the biggest problem is the keypad - there's no real tactile feedback from the keys like with a traditional pad. |
| 23:05.29 | TonyMaro | pupnik: Nite |
| 23:05.30 | pupnik | yeah - |
| 23:06.07 | TonyMaro | hehe didn't realize I was away |
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| 23:17.04 | unique311 | i need this running on the N800...please |
| 23:17.09 | unique311 | http://www.youtube.com/user/VirtualSpaghetti |
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| 23:18.31 | setite | haha hey unique311 |
| 23:18.42 | unique311 | whats up |
| 23:18.54 | setite | shit.. aint you got a job :) haha |
| 23:20.25 | unique311 | yes i do. |
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| 23:20.54 | unique311 | I do lost prevention at AnF |
| 23:21.35 | unique311 | you? |
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| 23:23.20 | setite | anf? |
| 23:23.28 | setite | im an electrician |
| 23:24.11 | unique311 | my dad was an electrician... |
| 23:24.22 | unique311 | nice field of work.. |
| 23:24.42 | rcknight | sweet |
| 23:24.47 | unique311 | AnF(abercrombie & fitch) |
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| 23:26.11 | unique311 | My sister's tell me all the time to go school and become and electrician, "oh its in your blood, your dad did it, your grandad also..." |
| 23:26.32 | unique311 | those fuckers weren't afraid of getting shocked. |
| 23:26.36 | unique311 | I am.. |
| 23:28.12 | setite | so am i |
| 23:28.20 | setite | thats why you be an inside wireman |
| 23:28.32 | setite | lineman are the guys with greatest risk of getting shocked since they work live powerlines |
| 23:28.47 | setite | im an inside wireman so im rarely around any energized circuits |
| 23:29.12 | setite | unless you wanna move up an AnF i'd look into your local union |
| 23:29.20 | setite | school just started but it still a good time ot get in |
| 23:29.31 | unique311 | i'm happy with my slacker job. |
| 23:30.34 | unique311 | really trying to get into fashion design right now. |
| 23:30.49 | unique311 | fashion is where the money's at. |
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