| 00:00.43 | pupnik | tso - there is also no product |
| 00:03.12 | tso | true, but its to show up q4 2007, so its right around the corner... |
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| 01:01.04 | LadaPower | Digi digi |
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| 01:55.23 | Blacksitox | brb |
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| 01:56.08 | bmk789 | is there a full maemo image for qemu/vmware other than just SDK? |
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| 02:02.35 | NeoStrider | hello folks |
| 02:02.42 | NeoStrider | any pipes wizard in the house? |
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| 02:21.47 | Tu13es | anyone know of a webkit browser for n800? |
| 02:21.54 | pupnik | wow there are some really good speech synths now |
| 02:26.31 | jufo | some posts from webkit developer http://blog.gwright.org.uk/ last 20 days ago :/ |
| 02:27.00 | Tu13es | yeah, I saw some news at the beginning of the month but haven't heard much since |
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| 05:01.20 | Blacksitox | dew |
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| 08:52.54 | Kakeman | is N800 openGL capable? |
| 08:55.12 | Kakeman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerVR |
| 08:55.47 | Molagi | no |
| 08:55.53 | kulve | Kakeman: the hardware is, software is not |
| 08:56.02 | Kakeman | will it ever be? |
| 08:56.14 | kulve | that's a good question :) |
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| 09:06.54 | Kakeman | why it is disabled? |
| 09:07.24 | gla55_ | only nokia knows |
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| 09:09.41 | syraxxl | hi to all |
| 09:10.43 | Kakeman | hi |
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| 09:24.04 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 09:24.15 | Jaffa | Kakeman: it's not disabled, it's just not enabled. |
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| 11:02.51 | konttori | Morning everyone |
| 11:03.07 | konttori | I was just reading about psyco for python. Looks really interesting |
| 11:03.09 | konttori | http://psyco.sourceforge.net/introduction.html |
| 11:06.18 | konttori | It would need porting to be compatible with arm. They say: "2x to 100x speed-ups, typically 4x, with an unmodified Python interpreter and unmodified source code, just a dynamically loadable C extension module." |
| 11:06.39 | konttori | OTOH: they also say it consumes quite a lot of memory. |
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| 11:11.39 | konttori | also, pypy seems like more mature JIT for python: http://codespeak.net/pypy/dist/pypy/doc/news.html |
| 11:28.28 | MoRpHeUz | konttori: hmm...this "lot of memory" could be also an issue for us on the device.. |
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| 11:32.51 | xorAxAx | no, psyco is more mature than pypy's partial evaluation jit generator |
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| 11:48.39 | konttori | ahh.. interesting |
| 11:48.59 | konttori | but pypy is more portable (to arm) right? |
| 11:49.20 | konttori | Also, even partieal evaluation might be very much better. |
| 11:49.30 | konttori | (than none) |
| 11:49.55 | xorAxAx | konttori: well, the generated JIT compiler currently slows down most programs |
| 11:50.09 | xorAxAx | konttori: in order to port it to arm, you need to write a new code generator for the target |
| 11:50.37 | xorAxAx | unfortunately, llvm doesnt offer the necessary features to fit into the architecture of the result of the partial evaluated program |
| 11:52.02 | konttori | ahh.. that's sad |
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| 11:53.35 | konttori | so, basically JIT is out of the question for now for ARM devices |
| 11:56.13 | pupnik | xorAxAx: how do you know so much about JIT? |
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| 11:58.00 | xorAxAx | pupnik: hmm? |
| 11:58.07 | xorAxAx | pupnik: as i said, i have worked on pypy |
| 11:58.23 | AD-N770 | kulve: ping |
| 11:58.48 | pupnik | dosbox on arm needs assembler hackers for the JIT implementation |
| 11:59.06 | AD-N770 | kulve: have you tried to use DSPlib ? |
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| 12:00.25 | AD-N770 | kulve: you should try replace speex FIR calling fir2 from DSPLib, only create a header and the define for override like in filters_sse.h |
| 12:00.43 | AD-N770 | I will try it later |
| 12:06.10 | kulve | AD-N770: no, I haven't tried it.. |
| 12:08.11 | kulve | AD-N770: I rewrote the "Setup the toolchain" chapter |
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| 13:05.27 | PeanutHead | Is ther any Brazilian here? |
| 13:07.18 | `0660 | is it enough to live in brazil? or are you only looking for people with citizenship? |
| 13:08.58 | PeanutHead | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:09.55 | `0660 | how about if a person has the citizenship but doesn't actually live in brazil? :) |
| 13:10.04 | PeanutHead | Sounds good |
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| 13:14.55 | sujan | Hello |
| 13:14.56 | _Monkey | bonjour, sujan |
| 13:15.18 | sujan | can u tell me please how to make debian? |
| 13:15.55 | sujan | i am trying last 3 days but can't |
| 13:15.56 | `0660 | you want to make debian? |
| 13:16.01 | sujan | ya |
| 13:16.04 | script | sujan: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Binary-Package-Building-HOWTO/ |
| 13:16.07 | script | sujan: next time, ask google |
| 13:16.08 | sujan | inside scratchbox |
| 13:16.35 | `0660 | you should start with finding about thousand developers who are willing to work free :) |
| 13:16.44 | `0660 | +for |
| 13:17.23 | sujan | OK, Thanks |
| 13:17.42 | sujan | I know you are very helpful |
| 13:20.30 | kulve | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_new_application_bora.html |
| 13:20.43 | kulve | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial_bora.htm |
| 13:21.01 | kulve | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_making_an_application_package_bora.html |
| 13:21.26 | sujan | Thanks |
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| 14:05.08 | Blacksitox | buenos dias |
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| 14:23.58 | eichi | hello, how can i start the gpe-apps ? some of them are not in the app menu? are they? |
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| 14:37.12 | WhisperingVoices | anyone know if I can install QT? |
| 14:37.23 | c0ffee | yes, no |
| 14:37.29 | WhisperingVoices | eichi, they should be in Home/Extras/ |
| 14:37.36 | c0ffee | or well, probably you can |
| 14:37.41 | WhisperingVoices | On the n800, this is |
| 14:39.34 | WhisperingVoices | I have a feeling QT won't be ARM compatible |
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| 14:42.41 | konttori | Infosync world has interesting ideas about n900: http://www.infosyncworld.com/news/n/8262.html |
| 14:43.43 | konttori | note, it's complete imagination |
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| 14:48.15 | `0660 | Smart Tablet OS 2008 :P |
| 14:48.32 | Blacksitox | whatthat application uses in this video? |
| 14:48.36 | Blacksitox | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dltjEnrePxc |
| 14:49.02 | Blacksitox | Bluetooth port scanning ? |
| 14:51.33 | `0660 | you want to do hacking too? :) |
| 14:52.26 | WhisperingVoices | google for n800 hack xterm root |
| 14:53.52 | guardian | haha the clueless journalist (i said that on purpose) |
| 14:53.54 | guardian | "his mobile pocket pc" |
| 14:54.58 | WhisperingVoices | in fact ... Blacksitox, http://www.informit.com/guides/content.aspx?g=security&seqNum=249 <- this |
| 14:59.14 | Jaffa | konttori: that presumes the re-organisation of Nokia's business units has any real benefits to cross-team co-operation which, in my experience of big companies... it won't |
| 14:59.31 | Jaffa | in other words, the article suggests a level of joined-up thinking which doesn't exist |
| 15:00.43 | WhisperingVoices | how crushing is it that the n800 doesn't have (a) java (b) QT :( |
| 15:01.07 | lle2 | not very crushing |
| 15:01.58 | lle2 | you can enjoy the superior GTK gui programming experience |
| 15:02.57 | `0660 | i love java, but i suspect it might be a bit slow on n800 :) |
| 15:03.18 | lle2 | not any worse than python for sure |
| 15:04.37 | WhisperingVoices | I can't program, lle2. |
| 15:05.32 | lle2 | WhisperingVoices: I doubt qt would help with that |
| 15:05.39 | `0660 | or java... |
| 15:05.39 | _Monkey | java is really really popular with cs departments now, and with good reason |
| 15:05.57 | lle2 | somebody should shooth the monkey |
| 15:06.05 | lle2 | -t |
| 15:06.12 | `0660 | well, some people code java even though they can't really code :) |
| 15:08.11 | `0660 | we can only hope the graduates from those cs departments will help on porting jvm's to n800 ;) |
| 15:08.20 | lle2 | hmm, this bt keyboard with n800 produce totally weird typos and even more bizarre corrections |
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| 15:09.06 | WhisperingVoices | [16:07] <lle2> WhisperingVoices: I doubt qt would help with that <- no, but it would mean I could run the programs I want to run and not hope someone ports stuff over so I can learn to write my own |
| 15:09.32 | lle2 | there's that |
| 15:09.32 | `0660 | who would port the programs? |
| 15:09.44 | lle2 | community? |
| 15:10.01 | `0660 | don't trust the community to do your dirty work :) |
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| 15:10.25 | lle2 | oh, but I do, it just never gets done but that's alright |
| 15:10.50 | lle2 | since this is open source it's perfect by default |
| 15:11.44 | `0660 | i bet qt will be ported eventually if it is really needed |
| 15:12.19 | lle2 | there's nothing to it, other than compiling. hildon integration will be something obviously |
| 15:12.27 | `0660 | but i'm happy while we don't have it as it means i don't need to have so many libraries installed :) |
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| 15:35.50 | PeanutHead- | How can I get the date of the source files from the Hildon?? |
| 15:36.28 | PeanutHead- | the date which those files were generated |
| 15:42.36 | PeanutHead- | anyone? |
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| 15:48.42 | GS | hi |
| 15:48.53 | GS | someone has silica software on nokia 770? |
| 15:49.01 | Jaffa | What's Silica? |
| 15:49.03 | GS | i would like test it |
| 15:49.14 | GS | http://www.immunityinc.com/products-silica.shtml |
| 15:49.21 | GS | auditorywireless tool |
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| 15:56.46 | Fatal | doubt it's sold as software |
| 15:57.36 | GS | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:00.44 | Blacksitox | wow 3600 $ |
| 16:00.48 | Blacksitox | pff.. |
| 16:03.27 | GS | but silica are using code gpl? silica is gpl? mmmm |
| 16:03.34 | GS | source code of silica? ;) |
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| 16:11.04 | kikka | hi |
| 16:11.05 | _Monkey | hello, kikka |
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| 16:49.00 | MaXDeWinter | Hello everybody |
| 16:50.30 | MaXDeWinter | i have a little problem, i have a Nokia 770 with Os2007HE, and i'm trying to instal rtcomm, but during the installation i get the error "impossible to install osso-rtcom-beta" |
| 16:51.05 | GS | jum |
| 16:51.24 | MaXDeWinter | and then when i run the app, and try to call i get a "Unknow Error" pop up. |
| 16:51.38 | GS | MaXDeWinter, what firmware? can u send me a link for test ir? |
| 16:51.43 | GS | *it |
| 16:51.44 | milhouse | rtcomm isn't compatible with os2007he |
| 16:51.59 | milhouse | at least, not the current version of os2007he |
| 16:52.51 | MaXDeWinter | mhm.. =( ok thX milhouse, do you know another sotf to use a sip ? |
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| 16:53.23 | milhouse | not really - not something i know a lot about. gizmo maybe? |
| 16:53.45 | GS | i can install os2007he on memory card with OS2006 in flash? |
| 16:53.59 | MaXDeWinter | i tryied but it doesn't work |
| 16:54.01 | MaXDeWinter | Gs |
| 16:54.06 | MaXDeWinter | yes you can |
| 16:54.29 | MaXDeWinter | http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055129587 |
| 16:54.37 | milhouse | flash device with os2007he, clone os to memory card, flash device with os2006 |
| 16:54.37 | MaXDeWinter | there's a good way how to do it |
| 16:54.45 | GS | MaXDeWinter, how to?!! with bootmenu? |
| 16:55.04 | MaXDeWinter | any question i'll be here |
| 16:55.05 | MaXDeWinter | =) |
| 16:55.19 | GS | ok ;) thank |
| 16:56.02 | MaXDeWinter | milhouse none version of rtcomm works on os2007he ? |
| 16:56.40 | GS | i dont have windows :-/ |
| 16:56.50 | milhouse | max: no, it's only compatible with the latest version of os2007 on n800 |
| 16:57.00 | MaXDeWinter | gs you don't need W |
| 16:57.29 | milhouse | s/no/correct/ |
| 16:57.43 | GS | om ok ok hehe |
| 16:58.26 | MaXDeWinter | look for linux-flasher |
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| 16:58.54 | MaXDeWinter | milhouse ok, ThX =) |
| 16:59.52 | MaXDeWinter | anybody know how to use voipstunt on a 770 ? |
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| 17:05.12 | MaXDeWinter | or a least a sip ? |
| 17:09.35 | PeanutHead- | Is there anybody here that can help me with Hildon? |
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| 17:13.20 | GS | MaXDeWinter, do you see flash (youtube) with os2007he and microb? |
| 17:14.26 | GS | in 770 of course ;) |
| 17:15.18 | Bobsworth | help! my N800 is dead, it hangs at the loading screen with the bar halfway. Last thing I did was apt-get upgrade some stuff, then some applications stopped working (outputting stuff about osso_g_cache or something) then I rebooted and this |
| 17:15.51 | derf | You'll probably have to re-flash. |
| 17:16.11 | Bobsworth | is there any way I can back up stuff from the flash filesystem? |
| 17:16.59 | derf | If there is, I don't know how to do it. |
| 17:17.07 | derf | You're supposed to make backups before things fail. |
| 17:17.19 | Bobsworth | I tried flashing the kernel and initfs, no luck |
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| 17:19.13 | Bobsworth | It should have some failsafe console or something |
| 17:20.02 | Bobsworth | or at least a way to output what's happening in the boot sequence |
| 17:22.27 | MaXDeWinter | GS nope |
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| 17:28.56 | jubei_ | how do i get a memory card out of the "external" slot |
| 17:33.40 | jubei_ | nevermind |
| 17:33.44 | Sulis | hehe |
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| 17:40.50 | MaXDeWinter | Anonyone Know how to make work a Nokia 770 + SIP ? |
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| 17:41.36 | MaXDeWinter | Anonyone Know how to make work a Nokia 770 + SIP ? |
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| 18:05.15 | PeanutHead- | Is there anybody here that can help me with Hildon? |
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| 18:23.06 | bmk789 | is there a way to run a full maemo 2007OS in a VM? |
| 18:23.25 | zakx_ | not including the various nokia closed source parts |
| 18:25.05 | bmk789 | so the only way to try out the OS is on the device? |
| 18:25.31 | MaXDeWinter | anybody know how is the dial format to call using gizmoproject and sip.voipbuster.com ? |
| 18:26.06 | zakx | bmk789: you could install a scratchbox environment |
| 18:26.29 | zakx | bmk789: but that's missing all nokia apps.. like the browser, IM, etc. |
| 18:26.35 | zakx | bmk789: it's no comparison. |
| 18:26.48 | bmk789 | ya ive got the vmware image |
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| 18:27.13 | bmk789 | i was hoping to test out the interface before purchasing the device |
| 18:27.17 | bmk789 | i guess not |
| 18:29.20 | zakx | you could ask a n800 owner to try their device via vnc |
| 18:29.51 | bmk789 | thats a good idea |
| 18:30.01 | bmk789 | is vncserver built into maemo? |
| 18:30.09 | zakx | no, but there's a seperate package |
| 18:30.31 | zakx | http://mike.saunby.googlepages.com/x11vncfornokia7702 |
| 18:32.26 | bmk789 | ill see if i can try that |
| 18:32.28 | bmk789 | thanks |
| 18:32.33 | zakx | you're welcome |
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| 18:59.46 | timelyx | lle2: re: skype, nice |
| 19:02.56 | NeoStrider | hello folks |
| 19:06.07 | PeanutHead- | Is there anybody here that can help me with Hildon? |
| 19:07.55 | NeoStrider | PeanutHead-: we do what we can |
| 19:07.59 | NeoStrider | tell me your issue |
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| 19:12.17 | NeoStrider | s/with/without/ |
| 19:12.56 | timelyx | http://www.amazon.com/Lucys-Advice-Charles-M-Schulz/dp/0689854730 |
| 19:13.13 | timelyx | maybe it's 5c? i guess i adjusted for inflation |
| 19:13.17 | NeoStrider | ahhh...that lucy |
| 19:18.25 | PeanutHead- | I was wondering if Hildon has User manual in other languages? |
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| 19:24.05 | PeanutHead- | Can anybody tell me the date of the last release from Hildon? |
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| 19:25.24 | MaXDeWinter | =.( buaaaa, i can't make workina a landline call using gizmoproject and sip.voipsunt.com =( |
| 19:25.29 | MaXDeWinter | any help ? |
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| 19:28.49 | _Shurik_ | Heya |
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| 19:34.00 | theril | Hello, has anyone here gotten xrandr working with N800? |
| 19:34.43 | _Shurik_ | What's that? |
| 19:34.56 | theril | I've installed libxrandr package from repository.maemo.org and compiled a xrandr binary, but it complains "Xlib: extension "RANDR" missing" |
| 19:35.16 | theril | And I added +extension Xrandr to /etc/init.d/x-server |
| 19:35.23 | theril | (Which may be wrong) |
| 19:35.42 | Blacksitox | buuhh!! my avahi-daemon its broken :( help me |
| 19:36.00 | theril | _Shurik_: xrandr is an extension to X-server which enables user to change resolution and rotete screen |
| 19:36.21 | theril | _Shurik_: Could be used to for example "left handed mode", or using the device vertically |
| 19:37.27 | _Shurik_ | Aaah... Interesting |
| 19:39.35 | theril | Yep |
| 19:44.06 | timelyx | you'd need an xserver built w/ support, no? |
| 19:45.50 | theril | timelyx: I don't know, but I guess not |
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| 19:46.28 | theril | There's instructions to enable it on 770, but it doesn't mention any X configs and it needs a custom kernel |
| 19:48.43 | theril | Hmm.. or is the libxrandr just the client side library? |
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| 19:51.07 | theril | Does anybody have played with XComposite on maemo? |
| 19:51.20 | theril | I read somewhere that Chinook would have support for it |
| 19:56.21 | Blacksitox | http://rafb.net/p/gherol10.html <- help me |
| 19:56.47 | Blacksitox | some idea of like solving this? |
| 19:56.52 | theril | Blacksitox: Is that on device or scratchbox? |
| 19:56.54 | `0660 | reboot? |
| 19:56.59 | theril | No need to reboot |
| 19:58.09 | NeoStrider | hey folks |
| 19:58.21 | Blacksitox | hi NeoStrider |
| 19:58.22 | NeoStrider | my engine worked with a multiplayer module attached! |
| 19:58.39 | NeoStrider | now all I need to now is how bad is the latency between two 770s on the same AP |
| 19:59.12 | NeoStrider | anyone with two units? |
| 19:59.41 | milhouse | timeless? |
| 20:00.46 | timelyx | ? |
| 20:01.03 | milhouse | got a bug in micro-b i wanted to run past you before filing |
| 20:01.07 | milhouse | i have a minimal test case |
| 20:01.12 | timelyx | yum |
| 20:01.18 | milhouse | you may be aware of it already - it concerns variable width images |
| 20:01.22 | NeoStrider | all I need is some ping |
| 20:01.22 | milhouse | test page: http://217.155.26.150/public/pda/test/test.html |
| 20:01.26 | timelyx | note: my vacation starts friday. i'll be away for a month |
| 20:01.39 | milhouse | doesn't display correctly in micro-b, fine in firefox 2 (on xp) |
| 20:01.48 | milhouse | timless: vacation? who ok'd that??? |
| 20:01.57 | milhouse | that's soo wrong :( |
| 20:02.03 | milhouse | ;) |
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| 20:06.08 | timelyx | wow |
| 20:06.19 | timelyx | not entirely surprising, but i don't know of a report |
| 20:06.27 | milhouse | ok, i'll go ahead and open one |
| 20:06.38 | timelyx | it's presumably because of the alternate gfx impl |
| 20:06.43 | timelyx | thanks |
| 20:06.46 | milhouse | np |
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| 20:18.37 | Blacksitox | http://rafb.net/p/nHDz1s24.html <-- some idea of like solving this? |
| 20:19.10 | Blacksitox | I cannot install canola :( |
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| 20:21.58 | theril | Anybody have xdpyinfo compiled for maemo? |
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| 20:24.05 | theril | Ok, I have one now :) |
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| 20:28.33 | timelyx | milhouse: i don't suppose you could help me come up w/ better descriptions for products on bugs.maemo? :) |
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| 20:33.20 | WhisperingVoices | is there any navigation software for the n800? |
| 20:33.29 | theril | WhisperingVoices: MaemoMapper |
| 20:33.31 | celesteh_rules | maemo mapper |
| 20:33.32 | _Monkey | hmmm... maemo mapper is geographical mapping software specifically designed for the Maemo platform and the Nokia 770/N800 form factor. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/maemo-mapper/ |
| 20:33.46 | celesteh_rules | monkey is finely useful |
| 20:33.49 | WhisperingVoices | I love you monkey. |
| 20:33.54 | celesteh_rules | it is a really good program |
| 20:34.08 | theril | Damn, for some reason maemo's xorg-server won't take --enable-randr |
| 20:34.08 | timelyx | i hope you mean mapper and not monkey |
| 20:34.10 | celesteh_rules | especially good witha bluetooth gps dongle |
| 20:35.00 | celesteh_rules | saved the day several times on my last bike trip |
| 20:35.15 | timelyx | um |
| 20:35.17 | celesteh_rules | however, battery life is shortened a lot, i think because of the bluetooth connection |
| 20:35.21 | timelyx | does maemo really not support ext2? |
| 20:35.49 | celesteh_rules | you get maybe 3 hours if you only turn on the display sparingly |
| 20:35.51 | theril | Hmm.. I read from logs that [mbm] has had a X server with RANDR enabled |
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| 20:36.55 | celesteh_rules | which reminds me . . . little generators that you can attach to a bike tire generate 6 V, 3W. Could I plug this directly into the n800 charger? |
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| 20:48.31 | smokie | I have a problem with rising processor load (caused by jffs2_gcd_mtd4) and automatic reboots on my N770 with OS 2006 49-2. Reflashing the device helps, but that`s not what i want to do every 14 days. The Last time it happened while using maemo-mapper and a BT GPS device. Any hints ? |
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| 20:51.08 | timelyx | smokie: where is mapper storing its maps? |
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| 20:51.28 | smokie | on mmc |
| 20:52.08 | celesteh_rules | that shouldn't happen. you might be accidentally filling up all your memory |
| 20:52.37 | timelyx | what is /usr/bin/chage ? |
| 20:53.16 | timelyx | df -h |
| 20:54.08 | smokie | right after boot the system is accesible and i can start xtrem an top where i can see jffs2_gcd_mtd4 preformance rising up. After some minutes xterm gets closed and after some more, the device reboots. |
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| 20:55.22 | sp3000 | smokie: version? |
| 20:55.28 | sp3000 | oh, you mentioned |
| 20:56.31 | sp3000 | but yeah, what timelyx said, don't store huge amounts of files (like map tiles) in internal flash |
| 20:57.10 | timelyx | i didn't actually say that, but what sp3000 said :) |
| 20:57.14 | smokie | /dev/mtdblock4 -> /mnt/initfs 2M use 0100% .... and .... /dev/mtdblock4 -> / ??? Use 89% |
| 20:57.57 | smokie | the map files are stored on MMC |
| 20:58.23 | milhouse | timeless: hopefully bug 1955 is to your satisfaction :) |
| 20:58.23 | _Monkey | Bug 1955 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1955 |
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| 20:59.02 | sp3000 | smokie: what about jffs2_gcd_mtd4 grows? |
| 21:00.10 | timelyx | milhouse: silly thought |
| 21:00.20 | timelyx | if the background of the page or cell isn't white, what happens? |
| 21:00.27 | sp3000 | you might be able to allow it to finish by disabling lifeguard reset |
| 21:00.29 | milhouse | dunno, let me try |
| 21:01.20 | smokie | sp3000, the CPU usage grows. MEM is always 0.0 |
| 21:01.47 | milhouse | it displays the background colour where it should display the image |
| 21:02.01 | milhouse | so when i changed the bgcolor to red, it displayed red in between the left and right gifs |
| 21:02.10 | smokie | why is /dev/mtdbloc4 mounted as /mnt/initfs and "/" ? |
| 21:02.27 | timelyx | ok, can you upload a testcase w/ an extra row that shows that? |
| 21:02.32 | timelyx | btw, see the url field :) |
| 21:02.38 | milhouse | ok |
| 21:03.53 | timelyx | sp3000: 1792... |
| 21:04.04 | timelyx | where can i dump this? |
| 21:07.40 | sp3000 | I can't think of anything better than syssw/gen |
| 21:10.08 | timelyx | how about 1919? |
| 21:10.48 | sp3000 | same |
| 21:11.33 | timelyx | "Select component ..." "Delete Component ..." what's wrong with this picture? |
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| 21:14.59 | sp3000 | oh, darn, weba_me_copy_img_location |
| 21:16.12 | timelyx | sp3000: |
| 21:16.16 | timelyx | http://mxr-test.landfill.bugzilla.org/bugzilla/search?string=component&find=tmpl&filter=title.*%28elect%7Celete%29 |
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| 21:20.17 | milhouse | bug 1955 updated with additional screenshots/test case |
| 21:20.18 | _Monkey | Bug 1955 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1955 |
| 21:30.09 | sp3000 | timelyx: Translations :: Svenska (Servige) s/Servige/Sverige/ |
| 21:30.27 | sp3000 | (name and desc) |
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| 21:30.57 | timelyx | oops. on it |
| 21:31.49 | timelyx | check agian? |
| 21:32.01 | sp3000 | looks ok |
| 21:32.40 | sp3000 | do you happen to remember if the missing string in the image context menu is filed somewheres or shall I file a todo note on bugs.maemo so I'll check it monday? :) |
| 21:32.52 | timelyx | don't recall it |
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| 21:41.16 | milhouse | timeless: yes, i saw you changed the url field, that's quite neat - such a shame it doesn't work in IE |
| 21:42.32 | smokie | sp3000, i turned off the lifeguard (i can see some text on the bootlogo) , but the n770 restarts again. :-( |
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| 21:54.00 | timelyx | milhouse: yeah well, it works on microb and firefox. i don't care about anything else generally |
| 21:54.20 | milhouse | i know - i was thinking it might be useful for other things |
| 21:54.22 | timelyx | milhouse: note that typing the original url on my device is painful, so i use tinyurls |
| 21:54.48 | timelyx | the reason to convert a random ip to a bugzilla link is that the bugzilla link will last forever |
| 21:55.16 | milhouse | true... but i don't intend giving up this ip address for a long time :) |
| 21:55.22 | timelyx | oh sure |
| 21:55.31 | timelyx | i didn't intend to give up my domain names |
| 21:55.42 | timelyx | i still almost did one or two days ago |
| 21:55.45 | milhouse | i don't mind, that's why i attached the archives just in case |
| 21:56.02 | timelyx | archives are appreciated and encouraged :) |
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| 21:56.47 | milhouse | so going anywhere nice for your vacation? |
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| 21:57.12 | timelyx | vienna, bologna, milano, munich, frankfurt, bern(?), strausborg, paris |
| 21:57.44 | timelyx | vienna and paris have plane tickets, paris has a place to stay, all points between are tentative |
| 21:58.07 | milhouse | nice :) you'll need a month for all of those places! |
| 21:58.15 | timelyx | that's the general idea :) |
| 21:58.32 | timelyx | european vacation length is 4 weeks |
| 21:58.42 | timelyx | unlike american which is 2 for starters, and 3 eventually |
| 21:58.52 | pupnik_ | You meeting up with anyone in frankfurt? |
| 21:59.00 | timelyx | know anyone there? |
| 21:59.13 | pupnik_ | i'm in the neighborhood :) |
| 21:59.20 | timelyx | i know two people in vienna and hope to meet them |
| 21:59.24 | milhouse | in the uk it varies... few firms will let you take a full month off even though you typically get 20+ days a year minimum |
| 21:59.28 | timelyx | well, ... hrm, calendar,... |
| 22:00.40 | pupnik_ | I don't know anything interesting in frankfurt per-se - expensive town |
| 22:01.08 | milhouse | frankfurt - not very nice so i've heard (from expats who live[d] there) |
| 22:01.17 | milhouse | a bit industrial |
| 22:01.45 | timelyx | frankfurt looks like it's ~sep 25-27 |
| 22:02.18 | timelyx | i am likely to drop *something* |
| 22:02.47 | timelyx | as balogna will have to be long (midweek + weekend). generally i'm trying to make cities one or the other |
| 22:03.19 | milhouse | no london? |
| 22:03.32 | timelyx | sorry, i did london in spring(?) |
| 22:03.52 | timelyx | it was before we announced microb |
| 22:03.55 | milhouse | edinburgh? though you'll have just missed the fringe |
| 22:04.55 | timelyx | london, cambridge, oxford, bath, windsor, brighton |
| 22:05.17 | milhouse | i hope you like rugby, the world cup is taking place in france (several games in paris) during september |
| 22:05.37 | timelyx | i expect to return to the british isles (to do the isles...) some other year |
| 22:05.37 | milhouse | http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/home/fixtures/poolstage.html |
| 22:06.24 | timelyx | i'll be in france the first week of oct :) |
| 22:06.47 | timelyx | pupnik_: /msg me your contact info? (esp cell) |
| 22:07.03 | milhouse | ah, knock out stages by then - the only paris game is 19 Oct |
| 22:09.13 | milhouse | although saint-denis is only a short distance north of paris |
| 22:19.21 | timelyx | http://cs.gmu.edu/~sean/stuff/n800/ |
| 22:19.36 | timelyx | What Nokia Could Steal from Apple Today |
| 22:19.36 | timelyx | The N800's "Hildon" UI is shown at left, ... |
| 22:19.42 | timelyx | am i disoriented or is the author confused? |
| 22:20.53 | milhouse | confused I think :) |
| 22:22.50 | timelyx | he's actually confused on a number of points |
| 22:22.55 | timelyx | although they're details |
| 22:23.03 | timelyx | he claims you can't have more than one app on the screen |
| 22:23.06 | timelyx | you can have about 3 |
| 22:23.17 | timelyx | TN, <whatever>, keyboard |
| 22:24.54 | milhouse | pedant :) |
| 22:25.00 | timelyx | and proud of it :) |
| 22:25.28 | kikka | good night |
| 22:25.40 | timelyx | wait, he's complaining that the n800 isn't stable because opera only crashed twice? |
| 22:25.49 | timelyx | silly customer |
| 22:25.50 | milhouse | g'night... and time i was off too |
| 22:25.55 | milhouse | opera? what's that? |
| 22:25.56 | timelyx | it's only 130am |
| 22:26.04 | timelyx | milhouse: a stable application |
| 22:26.07 | milhouse | my dinner just arrived |
| 22:26.13 | timelyx | s |
| 22:26.16 | milhouse | not on internet tablets! |
| 22:26.45 | milhouse | i've had fewer crashes with micro-b than opera |
| 22:26.53 | milhouse | (well done) |
| 22:27.20 | timelyx | btw, to some extent, i would like cores /media/mmc1/core-dumps/ from microb |
| 22:27.46 | milhouse | so if you create that directory, it will automagically create a core dump? |
| 22:27.47 | timelyx | although if it's flash related, we probably don't care. the next flash release w/ the next microb should be less crashy |
| 22:27.51 | timelyx | yes |
| 22:28.05 | milhouse | does it overwrite an existing core or create a unique name? |
| 22:28.05 | timelyx | there's a proc thing that controls it |
| 22:28.38 | timelyx | it uses pids and process names |
| 22:28.48 | timelyx | so you should run out of space before it overwrites |
| 22:28.48 | milhouse | i'll create that directory... despite my above comment, in the last few days i've had a few errors starting micro-b... start it a second time and it works no problem |
| 22:28.56 | timelyx | and believe me, you will run out of space :) |
| 22:29.38 | milhouse | should take a while... i've got 3GB of space :) |
| 22:30.00 | timelyx | i had 512 for my 770, that didn't work so i upgraded to 1gb, that didn't work |
| 22:30.14 | timelyx | and then we got n800s, so i eventually ordered 2gb cards |
| 22:30.15 | milhouse | for a single core? |
| 22:30.35 | timelyx | i've had cores that were ~400mb from mahjong :) |
| 22:30.43 | milhouse | flippin heck |
| 22:30.44 | milhouse | :) |
| 22:30.49 | timelyx | :) |
| 22:31.08 | milhouse | well 3GB should be enough to squeeze in a couple of cores! |
| 22:31.16 | timelyx | but yeah, normally a core should be <100mb, so you should get a bunch before you run out |
| 22:31.23 | timelyx | of course, if you have a symlink in ~/MyDocs to say / |
| 22:31.32 | timelyx | and you have the media crawler daemon |
| 22:31.45 | timelyx | then well,.... it'll just dump cores until your card is full :) |
| 22:32.07 | milhouse | nice :) |
| 22:32.10 | timelyx | load: /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern in your browser |
| 22:32.11 | timelyx | hrm |
| 22:32.14 | timelyx | interesting |
| 22:32.23 | timelyx | mine doesn't say what i expected |
| 22:32.26 | timelyx | what's yours say? |
| 22:32.53 | timelyx | sp3000: how do i control where cores go? |
| 22:33.46 | sp3000 | timelyx: /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern |
| 22:34.01 | milhouse | mine says: /media/mmc1/core-dumps/%e-%s-%p-2007.26-8_PR.core |
| 22:34.15 | timelyx | wow |
| 22:34.21 | timelyx | so they've changed it occasionally |
| 22:34.37 | timelyx | you can read google for core_pattern to understand what it means |
| 22:34.44 | timelyx | but in short, the directory i gave is right :) |
| 22:35.22 | milhouse | yes, i've created it so next time micro-b refuses to start i'll send you a core - how do you like to receive them? |
| 22:35.44 | milhouse | too big for a bug report |
| 22:35.51 | timelyx | detailed bugs w/ urls to cores will do |
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| 22:35.58 | timelyx | i don't want cores while i'm on vacation :) |
| 22:36.11 | milhouse | hmm... not sure how much space i have on my web host |
| 22:36.21 | timelyx | feel free to bz2 them |
| 22:36.31 | timelyx | try docs.google for hosting :) |
| 22:36.42 | milhouse | yeah, i probably have enough space for half a dozen assuming they compress nicely |
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| 22:37.04 | milhouse | right... my dinner is getting cold... really have to go... night all :) |
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| 22:45.23 | ekim|irc | Does anyone here work on the maemo site ? |
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| 23:28.08 | sp3000 | timelyx: wow |
| 23:28.26 | sp3000 | I can get three different results from vkb upstrokes |
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| 23:28.55 | sp3000 | in cases where there's no stylus jumping effects |
| 23:29.26 | sp3000 | I can get a) nothing b) uppercase c) lowercase repeat (?!) |
| 23:30.28 | sp3000 | the funny thing is, lowercase repeat is triggered by tap and hold on a vkey, and dragging off the key stops the repeat |
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| 23:31.37 | sp3000 | but a fast upstroke can lead to lowercase repeat starting after the drag, and not stoppable by dragging about more |
| 23:31.49 | sp3000 | even if I intersect the active vkey |
| 23:31.50 | timelyx | nice |
| 23:31.59 | pupnik | timelyx: did you get my PMs? |
| 23:32.16 | timelyx | only the first two |
| 23:32.20 | timelyx | oh right |
| 23:32.26 | pupnik | ok - you never answered |
| 23:32.29 | timelyx | i can't msg back |
| 23:32.33 | timelyx | sorry |
| 23:32.45 | pupnik | np |
| 23:32.56 | timelyx | you have to register to message back |
| 23:32.58 | timelyx | and i'm not registered |
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| 23:33.07 | pupnik | wb unique311 |
| 23:33.11 | unique311 | hello |
| 23:33.15 | unique311 | http://forum.gizmoproject.com/viewtopic.php?t=7098&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=&sid=c9ce10b400d7c32129830109aa04849e |
| 23:33.18 | unique311 | old news? |
| 23:33.19 | timelyx | but my client doesn't send me the error to the msg window, it sends it to the server window |
| 23:33.20 | timelyx | which i don't see |
| 23:33.43 | pupnik | yeah mine too - happens to me also |
| 23:33.50 | unique311 | How to post on maemo.org news |
| 23:33.53 | timelyx | anyway, "yes, i rang" because calling is free |
| 23:34.20 | GS | someone know how to umount mmc1 card? tellme device busy and not app bussy i think |
| 23:35.32 | pupnik | unique311: maybe you should wait for a public release? |
| 23:35.32 | unique311 | anyone? |
| 23:35.54 | unique311 | well its on ITT.. |
| 23:36.58 | pupnik | it could be put on the WIP page |
| 23:38.27 | unique311 | well someone will see it on ITT, and post it on maemo.org |
| 23:38.44 | GS | ok virtual memory its cause.. ;) |
| 23:38.45 | GS | hehe |
| 23:43.54 | unique311 | will this push skype to incoperate the video feature in skype for the N899 |
| 23:43.58 | unique311 | 800* |
| 23:44.19 | unique311 | hope so, sound on gizmo to me is much better than skype on the N800 |
| 23:46.19 | pupnik | how loud can you turn up the volume using gizmo, unique311 ? |
| 23:46.46 | sp3000 | timelyx: I bet part of the problem is many people like to do gestures like clicks and drags "harder" when they're not working |
| 23:46.56 | unique311 | the vlume on my N800 is always at max |
| 23:47.20 | unique311 | no reason to turn it down never use it with a headphone. |
| 23:47.37 | sp3000 | which in the case of screwed up mouse clicks that end up as short drags in the hands of ...er, normal people or something... just makes it less likely to work |
| 23:47.51 | sp3000 | and in the case of vkb upstrokes also makes it less likely to work |
| 23:50.02 | sp3000 | not that it should or anything ;) |
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| 23:50.37 | Blacksitox | buenas tardes |
| 23:51.55 | |tbb| | any way to use the skype sms feature on n800? |
| 23:55.51 | unique311 | |tbb|, when you figure out how to go about doing so, let me know. |
| 23:56.21 | unique311 | only way I can think of is probably via web browser |
| 23:57.25 | |tbb| | to bad |
| 23:58.06 | Tu13es | I use AIM for texting peopel |
| 23:58.08 | Tu13es | people |
| 23:58.08 | _Monkey | people are packing for guadec etc |
| 23:58.23 | Tu13es | I don't see why Skype charges normal SMS rates when you can do it free from plenty of places |