| 00:02.04 | erstazi | NeoStrider: not yet |
| 00:03.21 | erstazi | NeoStrider: loaded it |
| 00:03.26 | erstazi | btw, wb NeoStrider |
| 00:03.32 | NeoStrider | wb? |
| 00:04.28 | erstazi | Welcome Back |
| 00:04.44 | NeoStrider | ahh |
| 00:04.44 | NeoStrider | thx |
| 00:06.58 | erstazi | NeoStrider: nice! I have planned something like this years ago |
| 00:07.06 | erstazi | I have no clue what the name is called |
| 00:07.30 | NeoStrider | the game? |
| 00:07.31 | _Monkey | the game is, like, very funny |
| 00:07.38 | erstazi | _Monkey: forget the game |
| 00:07.39 | _Monkey | erstazi: I forgot game |
| 00:07.42 | erstazi | NeoStrider: yes |
| 00:07.53 | erstazi | s/planned/played/ |
| 00:07.59 | pupnik | NeoStrider: you know gltron and armagetronad ? |
| 00:08.37 | NeoStrider | sure! |
| 00:08.44 | NeoStrider | they were the inspiration! |
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| 00:09.09 | pupnik | Ok.. just checking |
| 00:09.16 | NeoStrider | take a look: |
| 00:09.16 | NeoStrider | http://corporatedrones.wordpress.com/2007/04/05/angstron-your-favorite-tron-game-for-maemo-or-the-first-game-using-bzk/ |
| 00:09.17 | erstazi | pupnik: ah thats it! |
| 00:09.22 | MCCob | hello, |
| 00:09.22 | _Monkey | hello, is probably there any flash player yet for IT2006/2007 (ARM arch)? |
| 00:09.31 | erstazi | hello MCCob |
| 00:09.32 | NeoStrider | angstron came from a challenge from toughtfix |
| 00:09.36 | NeoStrider | hello MCCob |
| 00:09.40 | MCCob | Anyone have a valid repository or dev file for tapioca ? |
| 00:09.40 | erstazi | _Monkey: forget hello, |
| 00:09.41 | _Monkey | erstazi: I forgot hello, |
| 00:09.50 | MCCob | *deb file |
| 00:10.12 | pupnik | http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php |
| 00:10.22 | pupnik | MCCob: you can search there |
| 00:10.31 | MCCob | 0 Repos for N770 ;) |
| 00:21.36 | trevarthan | hey, does anyone here have a working hildon desktop example? |
| 00:22.14 | trevarthan | hildon desktop is a way to make desktop applets using python. i.e. http://blogs.gnome.org/lucasr/2007/03/22/writing-a-hello-world-python-plugin-for-hildon-desktop/ |
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| 00:27.53 | setite | anyoen use vnc successfully? |
| 00:28.06 | setite | i think perhaps its having trouble due to my resolution |
| 00:28.20 | setite | because it tkaes like 5 mins to load one capture then disconnects |
| 00:29.15 | MCCob | yesss |
| 00:29.26 | MCCob | I use VNC with no problem |
| 00:29.31 | setite | speaking of repos |
| 00:29.38 | setite | anyone wanna share their working sources.list |
| 00:29.47 | MCCob | and throught SSH tunnel sometimes |
| 00:29.59 | MCCob | yeah |
| 00:30.01 | setite | mine keeps giving me those damned errors even after disabling almost everything |
| 00:30.08 | MCCob | for with Maemo ? |
| 00:30.08 | setite | ssh tunnel... thats cli? |
| 00:30.28 | setite | well i want as many repos as possible... but weeding out the errors is hard |
| 00:30.59 | MCCob | SSH tunnel is a tunnnel thought SSH connection to a routeur or any other Linux/unix |
| 00:31.07 | MCCob | Nokia 770 or 800 ? |
| 00:31.48 | MCCob | source.list is for N 770 or 800 ? |
| 00:32.07 | setite | 800 |
| 00:32.22 | MCCob | ok, I have 770... |
| 00:32.29 | setite | yea i saw that |
| 00:32.47 | setite | is there a good file manager |
| 00:32.56 | setite | or a hack to make the current one show the /etc and all that fun shit |
| 00:33.39 | florian | setite: There is a port of gpe-filemanager, that will show /etc :-) |
| 00:33.44 | MCCob | maybe GPE Filemanager |
| 00:33.45 | MCCob | :) |
| 00:33.56 | MCCob | http://downloads.maemo.org/product/gpe-filemanager/ |
| 00:33.56 | florian | :) |
| 00:34.10 | florian | good night |
| 00:34.18 | erstazi | MCCob: http://c-wd.net/maemo/sources.list |
| 00:34.31 | MCCob | Yes erstazi ? |
| 00:34.31 | _Monkey | i think erstazi is sorry, this is what I get for not fully paying attention |
| 00:34.34 | erstazi | MCCob: I think thats a sufficient one, unless someone has more to add to it |
| 00:34.45 | erstazi | MCCob: that sources.list is for OS2006 (nokia 770) |
| 00:34.46 | MCCob | for tapioca ? |
| 00:35.07 | MCCob | I don't need source.list me it's setite ;) |
| 00:35.10 | erstazi | MCCob: hmmm it might be there, check the comments in it |
| 00:35.18 | MCCob | ok |
| 00:35.22 | erstazi | MCCob: I know, but it might be there |
| 00:38.52 | MCCob | yes, there is repository for tapioca but there is no longuer tapioca on this repository... or domain name no longuer resond. So I've sent an email to a tapica developper |
| 00:39.08 | MCCob | Tapioca must be a good google talk client |
| 00:40.05 | erstazi | MCCob: hmm, that is becoming common place |
| 00:40.10 | erstazi | I think people are cleaning out |
| 00:40.12 | trevarthan | so..... I guess hildon desktop isn't available in the current firmware either. I thought it would be, but it doesn't seem to be. |
| 00:40.31 | erstazi | MCCob: have you tried google archive? |
| 00:41.03 | setite | my connection to my phone keeps breaking lately.. any ideas? |
| 00:42.10 | MCCob | yes erstazi |
| 00:42.10 | _Monkey | rumour has it erstazi is sorry, this is what I get for not fully paying attention |
| 00:45.15 | erstazi | _Monkey: forget erstazi |
| 00:45.16 | _Monkey | erstazi: I forgot erstazi |
| 00:47.18 | MCCob | good night |
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| 01:41.18 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:42.05 | pupnik | OGG, MOD, MIDI would pretty much take care of the music situation |
| 01:45.44 | pupnik | OPL2 synth would be nice too, but most games that drive it (adlib) will do just fine with General MIDI as well |
| 01:45.56 | pupnik | which can provide better sound quality at equal or lower cpu use |
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| 02:27.17 | edt | the plankton theme is messed up here with the new fmradio version & a reboot the applet uses the default theme. |
| 02:27.51 | edt | other themes work ok though... |
| 02:28.38 | edt | I have tried reinstall plankton with no joy |
| 02:28.50 | edt | ideas? |
| 02:31.10 | pupnik | does the problem happen with other applets? |
| 02:31.22 | edt | no |
| 02:31.47 | edt | they are fine |
| 02:31.56 | pupnik | that is indeed confusing. feedback to the fmradio maintainer |
| 02:32.36 | edt | and fmradio changes with builtin themes |
| 02:32.42 | pupnik | perhaps the problem lies with plankton though |
| 02:32.53 | edt | yes |
| 02:33.17 | pupnik | see if plankton is missing some files |
| 02:34.39 | edt | the symptoms do look like it might. I have reinstall it twice - should be ok file wise |
| 02:35.37 | pupnik | you know how to use ls and diff to see which files are missing? |
| 02:36.22 | pupnik | ls -1 /path/to/working/theme > goodfiles.txt |
| 02:36.35 | pupnik | ls -1 /path/to/plankton/theme > badfiles.txt |
| 02:36.41 | pupnik | diff goodfiles.txt badfiles.txt |
| 02:36.58 | pupnik | something like that for e.g. |
| 02:37.18 | edt | what is the path? |
| 02:38.41 | pupnik | offhand don't remember - /usr/share/something |
| 02:39.12 | edt | and what .deb for diff? |
| 02:45.42 | pupnik | diff isn't on the device? |
| 02:46.35 | pupnik | if not then maybe cat goodfiles.txt badfiles.txt |sort |
| 02:46.53 | pupnik | which will show files contained in both as appearing twice |
| 02:47.03 | pupnik | or copy the txtfiles to a linux computer and do the diff |
| 02:48.59 | pupnik | might want to sort them before doing the diff too, not sure if that's needed |
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| 02:52.16 | edt | diff can be smart at times... if I seem to rember kde has some tools that should let me find if files are missing |
| 02:52.52 | edt | s/if I/if not, I/ |
| 02:54.05 | edt | will have to wait till tomorrow though |
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| 07:34.33 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 07:34.56 | pupnik | "Life end when you die. But imagination share with others, live forever." - Quan, Final Fantasy IX |
| 07:35.00 | pupnik | morning |
| 07:35.00 | _Monkey | aloha |
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| 07:36.28 | pupnik | Neat :) For work or play? |
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| 07:38.33 | Jaffa | Work :-) |
| 07:39.12 | Jaffa | Lots of people talking about Groovy/Grails, which is very cool. Not sure we'll be able to use it at work though, we've only just convinced them to switch everything to the Java platform. |
| 07:40.33 | Jaffa | Yesterday my N800 was connected to the free wi-fi all day, with an IM and SSH session open (omostly in soft power-off, admittedly) and the battery was still on 4 bars when I got home. |
| 07:40.50 | Jaffa | Of course, it'd've probably dropped to 0 very quickly when it did start moving. |
| 07:41.46 | pupnik | yeah the power saving is fantastic - i did irc/surfing for many hours on lowest brightness (7+) |
| 07:41.53 | pupnik | 770 |
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| 07:52.25 | pupnik | whenever i see Jaffa i think of Ween - Joppa Road - http://www.mp3lyrics.org/w/ween/joppa-road/ |
| 07:57.37 | pupnik | ween was two guys who recorded stuff on a 4-track tape around 1991 and got signed by Sony - who released their 4-track stuff on CD |
| 07:57.54 | pupnik | strange stuff |
| 07:58.58 | pupnik | Is lardman correct that the mic-in / AD converter is only 8-bit? would be nice if the headphone jack could be used for a better microphone input as well |
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| 08:15.34 | timeless | pupnik: don't forget to sort ls output |
| 08:16.36 | timeless | note: you can usually do: sort|uniq -c|sort |
| 08:16.52 | timeless | or something like that |
| 08:17.14 | timeless | actually sort|uniq -u is what you want |
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| 08:20.35 | pupnik | he was trying to compare two directories to see if a theme had missing files - for that sort -u would have been -useless |
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| 08:33.49 | AD-N770 | good morning |
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| 08:36.55 | pupnik | hi AD-N770! Do you want to build a SoundBlaster emulator to run on the DSP? |
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| 08:38.13 | nigelr | is anyone here working on getting vorbis decoding working through the DSP? |
| 08:38.14 | AD-N770 | pupnik: currently I'm very busy at work and at home, it's really hard find time for personal projects |
| 08:38.17 | nigelr | on the 770? |
| 08:38.18 | _Monkey | i guess on the 770 is jerky |
| 08:38.38 | pupnik | hehe i understand. Sorry to be annoying - it would be fun and cool for dosbox though |
| 08:39.02 | pupnik | SB on DSP + dynamic recompilation of X86-ARM could really speed up dosbox |
| 08:39.16 | AD-N770 | good news at my home, we are waiting for a baby |
| 08:39.26 | pupnik | congratulations! :) |
| 08:39.33 | timeless | _monkey forget on the 770 |
| 08:39.33 | _Monkey | timeless: I forgot on the 770 |
| 08:39.45 | timeless | _monkey on the 770 is <reply> |
| 08:39.46 | _Monkey | OK, timeless. |
| 08:40.00 | AD-N770 | that means a lot of changes in my family life :) |
| 08:40.14 | pupnik | and IRC life |
| 08:40.38 | AD-N770 | yes all computer related lifes will be affected too :) |
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| 08:58.14 | florian | good morning |
| 09:10.12 | pupnik | bon matin |
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| 09:22.13 | guardian | can you lookup your n800 device by hostname ??? |
| 09:22.23 | guardian | on a lan network when ip is gotten from dhcp ? |
| 09:22.53 | pupnik | just add the n800 address to /etc/hosts or the hosts file on windows |
| 09:23.40 | pupnik | for example echo "192.168.0.3 nokia" >> /etc/hosts |
| 09:23.42 | guardian | http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.maemo.devel/10436/focus=10490 |
| 09:23.48 | guardian | i onced asked on the mailing list |
| 09:24.00 | guardian | setting the bluetooth name used to work |
| 09:24.06 | guardian | but it's not working anymore since the last os update |
| 09:25.07 | jani | guardian: some dhcp clients can send name updates to the dns server but dns server in your network should support that. |
| 09:26.16 | guardian | it does since it used to work :) |
| 09:26.38 | guardian | in fact the n800 is the only computer on the lan that has no hostname associated with the ip in the dhcp |
| 09:26.58 | pupnik | i wonder what year they added that to dhcp |
| 09:28.28 | `0660 | it sounds pretty insecure :) |
| 09:28.55 | `0660 | anyone could pretend to be a certain device |
| 09:29.20 | jani | pupnuk: rfc 2136 might be the answer .. |
| 09:29.25 | guardian | insecure ? |
| 09:29.30 | guardian | i just want convenience |
| 09:29.35 | guardian | on a private lan |
| 09:29.49 | ysss__ | ah yes.. the age of innocence.. when they're old enough not to know any better, being insecure is part of the growing process.. |
| 09:30.14 | jani | or not. |
| 09:31.05 | guardian | what's wrong with publishing the hostname to dhcp ? |
| 09:31.24 | jani | actually, i think it might be the dhcp server which does the update to dns .. |
| 09:31.27 | jani | and not the client .. |
| 09:31.54 | pupnik | hmm 1997... |
| 09:32.09 | jani | guardian: can you check your leases file, does it contain any name for n800 lease ? |
| 09:32.13 | guardian | well if the up script does not call udpchp with the -H option no hostname is passed so the dhcp does not forward that to dns |
| 09:32.29 | jani | yep |
| 09:32.36 | guardian | jani: there is a blank entry for the n800 device |
| 09:32.42 | guardian | for the corresponding ip |
| 09:33.01 | guardian | i'm reading again /etc/udhcpc scripts |
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| 09:41.13 | lardman | bonjour |
| 09:41.13 | _Monkey | niihau, lardman |
| 09:41.57 | pupnik | i dunno man, for a home network, /etc/hosts works reel guud. |
| 09:42.00 | lardman | I'm going to have to perform endianness swapping for pretty much all the data I'm using - i.e. buffer pointers, etc. |
| 09:42.46 | lardman | I wonder if there's some way around it... I can't think of one though |
| 09:43.51 | pupnik | did you discover that reading the documentation or looking at existing code lardman? |
| 09:44.25 | lardman | I had thought my wonderful circular buffer code was complete, and then it dawned on me that the DSP and ARM use different endiannesses |
| 09:44.52 | pupnik | heh :/ |
| 09:44.57 | lardman | It's in the DSP docs, definitely bigendian |
| 09:46.16 | kulve | lardman: I cleaned up a bit the maemo.org wiki on dspprogramming.. |
| 09:46.31 | guardian | what would be the script that calls udhcpc the first time ? |
| 09:46.33 | lardman | kulve: Great |
| 09:46.46 | lardman | I was thinking that we should add a section on debugging |
| 09:47.44 | kulve | yeah |
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| 09:58.02 | latzko | hi all |
| 09:59.21 | latzko | where I can find the maemo_af_desktop debug messages on tablet? my applet freezes only on tablet... |
| 10:00.38 | pupnik | how do you get errors on the desktop (sb)? |
| 10:01.40 | latzko | after af-sb-init.sh start it logs on the same shell |
| 10:02.03 | pupnik | maybe you can look where maemo_af_desktop gets started (in /etc/init.d ?) and ad add a > /home/user/tmp.txt or 2> ... to the invocation? |
| 10:02.21 | latzko | tnx |
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| 10:11.25 | jani | latzko: did you check /dev/xconsole ? |
| 10:12.10 | latzko | no actually |
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| 10:14.17 | jani | so just cat /dev/xconsole .. it keeps some history too so you might be able to see it even thou errors have allready happened. |
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| 10:18.53 | latzko | jani, no such file here |
| 10:19.41 | jani | ok, maybe its r&d feature. |
| 10:20.14 | latzko | I see |
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| 10:20.20 | latzko | thanks |
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| 10:30.27 | latzko | i googled but find nothing about installing xconsole on n800 |
| 10:32.09 | jani | what i meant, xconsole might be a feature that we have in our internal releases. |
| 10:32.35 | latzko | I c |
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| 10:34.33 | latzko | should I safely run ./flasher-2.0 --enable-rd-mode ? |
| 10:35.32 | latzko | or is it not enough? |
| 10:35.51 | lardman | Vorbis people, is the vf struct a mix of vorbis and ogg or just ogg? I'd like to separate out the ogg reading so I can send individual packets |
| 10:36.09 | lardman | latzko: That should switch to r&d mode, yes |
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| 10:38.58 | lardman | hmm, I suppose it has to be a mix as otherwise there's no way of knowing the packet size... |
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| 10:40.50 | lardman | ogg_stream_packetout, just what I'm after |
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| 10:47.54 | AD-N770 | lardman: look at arm6 assembly instructions: REV, REV16 and REVSH to deal on endianess at ARM side |
| 10:49.52 | lardman | AD-N770: Thanks, will give them a look |
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| 10:55.18 | pupnik | why do so many users join #maemo but never chat? |
| 10:55.36 | kulve | because nobody could read that flood ;) |
| 10:56.37 | pupnik | hmm. there's no need to log it |
| 11:01.47 | lardman | it's the little gems of wisdom that the logging is good for |
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| 11:08.45 | lardman | it's so annoying how long it takes looking at some code to become famililar with it |
| 11:09.03 | latzko | well, I am in r&d mode now but there is no /dev/xconsole either |
| 11:10.43 | jani | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:10.49 | jani | sorry if i mislead you. |
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| 11:11.04 | latzko | ok, np, tnx |
| 11:11.13 | lardman | you need to run the xconsole binary according to google |
| 11:14.06 | latzko | I cant find it. sorry for disturbing you but now I have minimal time to fix my stuff |
| 11:15.20 | lardman | I'd try pupnik's suggestion then |
| 11:16.38 | latzko | is there any other way to find out why my home applet crash? it works perfectly in sbox, x86 target |
| 11:16.55 | pupnik | there's also a redirect for stdout+stderr but i keep forgetting it - something like 1&2> out.txt |
| 11:17.12 | lardman | &> iirc |
| 11:18.41 | pupnik | you're right! |
| 11:18.47 | pupnik | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO-3.html |
| 11:20.00 | pupnik | btw #bash on freenode is a good place to get "bashed" for asking silly rtfm questions about bash :) |
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| 11:26.47 | test__ | hi, I m newbie , if anybody have time please tell me how can i install glibc 2.4 in scratchbox |
| 11:30.40 | lardman | test__: why do you want to do that? |
| 11:31.15 | test__ | i installed libjpeg to compress image size |
| 11:32.06 | test__ | but when i go to use djpeg then it show me GLIBc 2.4 not found error for that |
| 11:32.53 | latzko | well, I know how to redirect but dunno what :) redirecitng af-startup does not gave me much info |
| 11:33.03 | lardman | test__: You installed it from the wrong place then |
| 11:33.39 | lardman | test__: My N800 running the latest flash image is using libc 2.3.6 |
| 11:34.07 | lardman | test__: surely libjpeg comes pre-installed? |
| 11:34.42 | test__ | no |
| 11:35.38 | lardman | [sbox-SDK_ARMEL: ~] > ls /usr/lib/*jpeg* |
| 11:35.41 | lardman | /usr/lib/libjpeg.a /usr/lib/libjpeg.la /usr/lib/libjpeg.so /usr/lib/libjpeg.so.62 /usr/lib/libjpeg.so.62.0.0 |
| 11:35.56 | test__ | ya i got this prob |
| 11:36.47 | test__ | actually i m newbie please help me |
| 11:37.07 | lardman | What do you want? libjpeg should already be installed |
| 11:37.17 | lardman | what do you want to do with libjpeg? |
| 11:38.19 | test__ | i want to convert a jpeg image to ppm format in target |
| 11:39.22 | pupnik | your host system can also read/write to/from directories within scratchbox |
| 11:40.33 | test__ | ya |
| 11:41.08 | pupnik | so you could use the pnm/pbm tools from the host OS |
| 11:41.57 | pupnik | or-- cjpeg rather |
| 11:42.19 | lardman | or grab this tarball http://www.ijg.org/files/jpegsrc.v6b.tar.gz, run configure, then (probably) make cjpeg |
| 11:42.22 | latzko | well, I know how but I dont know what to redirect. rtfm is good if there is a fucking manual about that.... |
| 11:43.09 | lardman | latzko: Was there no output? |
| 11:43.51 | lardman | latzko: I guess you've removed any &>/dev/null statements in that script too? |
| 11:43.51 | test__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:44.04 | pupnik | latzko: are you sure you're not trying to cut-down a tree blocking your way instead of walking around it? |
| 11:44.06 | latzko | minimal , script echo output like starting things and like that |
| 11:44.25 | lardman | http://ijg.org/files/jpegsrc.v6b.tar.gz |
| 11:44.29 | lardman | my apologies |
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| 11:45.12 | test__ | no need to be apologies |
| 11:45.13 | lardman | latzko: I fear your question is more one for the Nokia chaps as they know what actually tries to start the applets and where any output would go |
| 11:45.31 | pupnik | s/latzko/test__/ |
| 11:45.52 | latzko | I see |
| 11:46.46 | test__ | no, i don't think so. realy i need help |
| 11:46.59 | pupnik | test__: if i need to convert a wav to mp3, i don't do it in scratchbox |
| 11:49.11 | lardman | test__: Download and use this: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/cjpeg |
| 11:49.22 | pupnik | nice |
| 11:49.26 | lardman | test__: It took me a total of 30s to download and compile and upload |
| 11:50.02 | test__ | i have that one |
| 11:50.13 | test__ | also Djpeg |
| 11:50.43 | lardman | yeah, but this one is linked against the right version of glibc |
| 11:50.52 | test__ | ya |
| 11:51.03 | test__ | this is my main prob |
| 11:51.16 | lardman | download the one I just gave the url for and try it |
| 11:51.19 | pupnik | test__: follow lardman's instructions :) |
| 11:51.35 | test__ | ya i m following him |
| 11:52.45 | lardman | does it work? |
| 11:54.31 | test__ | ya , ./cjpeg [switches] -outfile jpegfile imagefile. but outside of target |
| 11:55.25 | lardman | ? |
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| 11:55.38 | lardman | The file I compiled will only run on ARMEL |
| 11:56.04 | lardman | What target are you trying to use? |
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| 11:57.40 | pupnik | this situation is a waste of your talents :) |
| 11:58.37 | lardman | I like the feeling of satisfaction when a problem is solved :) |
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| 12:00.22 | lardman | test__: Does it work? |
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| 12:05.19 | sujan | i made a deb but after installing it was not showing in the menu of the scratchbox |
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| 12:06.57 | lardman | ~lart whoever indented vorbisfile.c |
| 12:06.57 | infobot | puts on some milking gloves. "All right, now, whoever indented vorbisfile.c, this won't hurt a bit...." |
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| 12:09.48 | `0660 | anderson_s_away, are you trying to say that you are not on your computer? |
| 12:10.51 | sp3000 | good to know |
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| 12:11.16 | `0660 | i missed you already |
| 12:12.00 | lardman | that's getting annoying now |
| 12:12.07 | gla55_ | yeah |
| 12:12.10 | anderson_s | sorry. I was testing a plugin, and didn't mean to hit all the servers... |
| 12:12.23 | `0660 | try disabling that plugin |
| 12:12.26 | gla55_ | is back messages get annoying |
| 12:12.30 | `0660 | it's of no use |
| 12:12.33 | anderson_s | plugin unpluged.. shouldn't be happening nay more |
| 12:12.37 | gla55_ | might seem fun and games for a week |
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| 12:14.57 | lardman | I wonder if vorbisfile.c was attacked by a random indentation script |
| 12:15.13 | lardman | or if it's done on purpose to make the code look more complicated |
| 12:16.12 | `0660 | heh, indentation scripts don't even need to be random to produce ugly code :) |
| 12:17.35 | lardman | I thought it'd be easy enough to sort out by hand, but spent the last 10min looking to see why I had an extra in the "wrong" place } |
| 12:17.46 | lardman | extra } that should be |
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| 12:18.39 | `0660 | :) |
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| 12:19.12 | pupnik | i haven't used 'lint' before, but it's supposed to indent automagically |
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| 12:20.34 | lardman | the MATLAB editor will automatically sort out an file for you - nice |
| 12:20.45 | lardman | I should find a better editor than gedit |
| 12:20.46 | test__ | lardman__ Thanks |
| 12:20.54 | lardman | test__: It worked then? |
| 12:21.08 | test__ | But i got "/scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set |
| 12:21.08 | test__ | " |
| 12:21.13 | test__ | this error |
| 12:21.41 | lardman | you've not setup scratchbox correctly then |
| 12:21.59 | lardman | I don't know how to fix that, look at the tutorial/docs you followed when you first set it up |
| 12:22.47 | test__ | will i run "/scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl start" |
| 12:26.56 | pupnik | you also get that error when running an armel binary in a 386 target, iirc |
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| 12:38.03 | DaniloCesar | ls |
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| 12:44.46 | test__ | i got this prob"cjpeg: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by cjpeg) |
| 12:44.46 | test__ | " |
| 12:44.58 | test__ | please any body help me |
| 12:45.40 | lardman | with my version of cjpeg? |
| 12:46.05 | test__ | no i got "/scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set" |
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| 12:46.16 | test__ | this prob with this version |
| 12:46.26 | lardman | well that's not the fault of the binary, it's your scratchbox setup |
| 12:46.43 | test__ | of course my fault |
| 12:46.43 | lardman | are you trying to run in ARMEL or x86 mode? |
| 12:47.09 | pupnik_ | the 386 cjpeg was copied in from a more modern linux host, and he's trying to run the armel cjpeg in a 386 target |
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| 12:47.22 | lardman | ah |
| 12:47.33 | test__ | actually i install cJpeg in target-86 |
| 12:47.38 | test__ | installed |
| 12:47.42 | lardman | why do you want cjpeg for a 386 target? |
| 12:48.47 | test__ | here all of our team member usually work at [sbox-SDK_X86: ~] > |
| 12:48.52 | test__ | and me also |
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| 12:49.26 | test__ | and i need djpeg also |
| 12:50.11 | lardman | did you install libjpeg or just grab the cjpeg/djpeg binaries? |
| 12:50.32 | lardman | because you'll need to uninstall them as they are linked against the wrong version of libc |
| 12:50.38 | lardman | then download the tarball |
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| 12:50.51 | lardman | cd into the directory that's created when you uncompress it |
| 12:51.07 | lardman | run: ./configure && make cjpeg && make djpeg |
| 12:51.22 | lardman | and copy the cjpeg and djpeg binaries somewhere like /usr/bin |
| 12:52.07 | test__ | in time of inatallation i wrote /scratchbox/...../terget 86 in configuration file |
| 12:52.39 | test__ | and the ./configure---make |
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| 12:53.50 | lardman | I don't understand. You've already built c/djpeg then? |
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| 12:54.34 | test__ | ac_default_prefix=/scratchbox/users/opy/targets/SDK_X86 |
| 12:54.54 | test__ | then!!!! |
| 12:54.55 | _Monkey | then is not free software, it is not GNU/linux embedded, i refuse to use a phone that has not GNU/linux |
| 12:55.10 | lardman | I'd ignore that completely, just run configure without arguments |
| 12:55.33 | lardman | oh dear, you're not trying to compile outside of scratchbox are you? |
| 12:55.41 | test__ | [sbox-SDK_X86: ~] > cjpeg -quality 10 -outfile TTT.jpg Djpeg1.ppm |
| 12:55.42 | test__ | cjpeg: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by cjpeg) |
| 12:56.08 | lardman | where did that version of cjpeg come from? From a deb, a binary you compiled somewhere? |
| 12:56.43 | test__ | from here "jpeg-6b" |
| 12:56.51 | lardman | you compiled it? |
| 12:57.00 | test__ | ya |
| 12:57.04 | lardman | but you compiled it outside of scratchbox didn't you? |
| 12:57.43 | lardman | you'd not started scratchbox (/scratchbox/login) and were not running it when you compiled |
| 12:57.50 | lardman | ? |
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| 12:58.11 | test__ | no |
| 12:58.25 | test__ | scratchbox was not logged in |
| 12:58.37 | lardman | go to the code you used to compile it originally, run "make uninstall" to remove whatever it tried to install |
| 12:58.48 | test__ | ok |
| 12:59.05 | lardman | then login to scratchbox, download the code again and run configure (no argumnets) and make djpeg, etc. |
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| 12:59.51 | lardman | I don;t know if you'll have overwritten the scratchbox version of libjpeg, hopefully not, but you may need to reinstall it (dpkg-install ? anyone?) |
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| 13:04.02 | test__ | lardman:::dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libjpeg62-dev: |
| 13:04.02 | test__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:04.02 | test__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:04.02 | test__ | dpkg: error processing libjpeg62-dev (--install): |
| 13:04.02 | test__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:04.03 | test__ | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 13:04.05 | test__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:04.10 | lardman | pastebin |
| 13:04.10 | test__ | i got this prob |
| 13:04.11 | _Monkey | i heard pastebin was slow..... |
| 13:04.33 | lardman | what were you trying to do? |
| 13:04.50 | test__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:04.58 | lardman | no no no! |
| 13:05.07 | test__ | then |
| 13:05.09 | test__ | ? |
| 13:05.11 | lardman | let it choose where it gets the deb from |
| 13:05.22 | lardman | the repository should already be setup |
| 13:05.31 | test__ | ok |
| 13:05.58 | lardman | are you missing the libjpeg* files? |
| 13:06.04 | lardman | is there any point in installing them? |
| 13:06.34 | test__ | again i got "[sbox-SDK_X86: ~] > fakeroot apt-get install libjpeg62-dev_6b-13_i386.deb |
| 13:06.35 | test__ | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 13:06.35 | test__ | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 13:06.35 | test__ | E: Couldn't find package libjpeg62-dev_6b-13_i386.deb |
| 13:06.35 | test__ | " |
| 13:06.38 | lardman | inside scratchbox (ie. after you've logged in) see if "ls /usr/lib/*jpeg*" shows anything) |
| 13:06.58 | lardman | test__: Use pastbin.com for large amounts of text. |
| 13:07.04 | lardman | pastebin.com even |
| 13:07.30 | test__ | ls: /usr/lib/*jpeg: No such file or directory |
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| 13:08.18 | lardman | ok, so you did screw it up, fair enough |
| 13:08.18 | lardman | it will think that libjpeg is still installed |
| 13:08.18 | lardman | you may need to force the install, not sure how |
| 13:08.19 | test__ | ok |
| 13:08.21 | lardman | try: "fakeroot apt-get install libjpeg" |
| 13:08.52 | test__ | i got "[sbox-SDK_X86: ~] > fakeroot apt-get install libjpeg |
| 13:08.52 | test__ | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 13:08.52 | test__ | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 13:08.52 | test__ | E: Couldn't find package libjpeg |
| 13:08.52 | test__ | " |
| 13:09.41 | lardman | Can someone else chip in here? I know nothing about apt-get |
| 13:10.07 | test__ | here is now 7.12 pm |
| 13:10.07 | lardman | test__: Ah, perhaps it's called "jpeg" rather than "libjpeg" |
| 13:11.02 | test__ | no its not |
| 13:12.10 | cosmo | lardman: apt-cache search jpeg |
| 13:12.27 | lardman | cosmo: Thanks |
| 13:12.31 | lardman | test__: try that |
| 13:12.45 | test__ | ya |
| 13:13.13 | test__ | i got "[sbox-SDK_X86: ~] > apt-cache search jpeg |
| 13:13.13 | test__ | libjpeg62 - The Independent JPEG Group's JPEG runtime library |
| 13:13.13 | test__ | libjpeg62-dev - Development files for the IJG JPEG library |
| 13:13.13 | test__ | " |
| 13:13.32 | lardman | fakeroot apt-get install libjpeg62-dev |
| 13:13.35 | test__ | i need libjpeg62-de |
| 13:14.13 | test__ | i got Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 13:14.13 | test__ | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 13:14.13 | test__ | libjpeg62-dev is already the newest version. |
| 13:14.13 | test__ | You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these: |
| 13:14.13 | test__ | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 13:14.13 | test__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:14.15 | test__ | E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). |
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| 13:14.25 | test__ | i tried -f |
| 13:14.52 | lardman | did you install libjpeg62-dev from elsewhere? |
| 13:15.07 | lardman | you might want to remove that first as it's not a maemo version |
| 13:15.22 | test__ | ya , by clicking outside of scratch box |
| 13:15.30 | test__ | on the package |
| 13:15.38 | lardman | that's not related |
| 13:15.51 | lardman | you must have tried installing it inside scratchjbox too |
| 13:16.02 | test__ | ya |
| 13:16.08 | test__ | but can't |
| 13:16.10 | lardman | so apt-get remove it |
| 13:16.17 | test__ | ok |
| 13:17.19 | test__ | i got it "[sbox-SDK_X86: ~] > fakeroot apt-get -f remove libjpeg62-dev |
| 13:17.19 | test__ | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 13:17.19 | test__ | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 13:17.19 | test__ | You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these: |
| 13:17.19 | test__ | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 13:17.19 | test__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:17.21 | test__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:17.22 | _Monkey | i already had it that way, test__. |
| 13:17.25 | test__ | E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). |
| 13:17.27 | test__ | [sbox-SDK_X86: ~] > fakeroot apt-get remove libjpeg62-dev |
| 13:17.29 | test__ | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 13:17.31 | test__ | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 13:17.31 | lardman | okay |
| 13:17.33 | test__ | You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these: |
| 13:17.33 | lardman | stop |
| 13:17.35 | test__ | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 13:17.36 | lardman | use pastebin! |
| 13:17.37 | test__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:17.38 | _Monkey | i already had it that way, test__. |
| 13:17.39 | test__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:17.39 | _Monkey | i already had it that way, test__. |
| 13:17.41 | test__ | E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). |
| 13:17.43 | test__ | " |
| 13:17.55 | lardman | Use pastebin next time please |
| 13:18.00 | lardman | ~pastebin |
| 13:18.01 | infobot | i heard pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste, or http://rafb.net/paste/, or http://pastebin.com is usually painfully too slow and unresponsive to use, use one of the other pastebin sites, or dpaste.com is a very nice pastebin as well |
| 13:18.26 | test__ | ok thanks alot lardman |
| 13:18.41 | test__ | thank you very much for helping me |
| 13:18.45 | lardman | test__: Your apt thinks you have the packages installed, unfortuntely the actual binaries have been removed |
| 13:19.03 | lardman | test__: I don;t know if there;s some kind of overwrite flag on apt-get |
| 13:19.24 | lardman | test__: but you somehow need to get the maemo versions of libjpeg and -dev installed |
| 13:19.29 | lardman | I've no idea how to do this |
| 13:20.08 | test__ | you spent a lot of time , thanks for that |
| 13:20.16 | test__ | i will try |
| 13:20.17 | lardman | np, good luck |
| 13:20.26 | test__ | sure |
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| 13:32.15 | lardman | derf: Are you about? |
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| 13:35.01 | lardman | or anyone else with knowledge of vorbis internals? |
| 13:35.13 | derf | lardman: Yes. |
| 13:35.49 | lardman | can I pick your brain please? |
| 13:36.21 | lardman | vf->ready_state to be exact, and whether there's some documentation on the meanings of the various values somewhere? |
| 13:37.51 | lardman | I'm guessing that INITSET is the last step, i.e. everything is setup, but am wondering what the difference is between that and STREAMSET? |
| 13:38.00 | lardman | and OPENED for that matter |
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| 13:43.30 | derf | STREAMSET means it has initialized the comment and info structures (and thus needs to clear them at some point). |
| 13:43.55 | lardman | okay |
| 13:44.13 | derf | LINKSET means it's done that for the current link in a chained file. |
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| 13:44.50 | derf | (if you're STREAMSET, but not LINKSET, then you need to clear the existing header info, find the headers for the current link, and then initialize those) |
| 13:45.05 | lardman | okay |
| 13:45.15 | lardman | and INITSET vs OPENED? |
| 13:45.32 | derf | And then INITSET is LINKSET plus it has initialized a decoder. |
| 13:46.19 | lardman | to go from OPENED to INITSET it needs to read in the header from the looks of it |
| 13:46.53 | lardman | Or perhaps that's the other way, it falls back to OPENED |
| 13:47.04 | lardman | CardinalFang: N800 in the first instance |
| 13:47.15 | CardinalFang | Dang. |
| 13:47.36 | lardman | CardinalFang: But the code is generic, just that I could never get the DSP to behave on the 770 |
| 13:48.14 | CardinalFang | That's where the action is, for a nicely-behaving decoder, yes? The DSP? |
| 13:48.36 | lardman | It's a little project of mine |
| 13:49.05 | lardman | derf: The header is 3 pages long. Is that always the case? |
| 13:49.46 | lardman | ah 3 packets long |
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| 13:56.50 | derf | lardman: Anyway, in general, the only documentation of the code is the source. |
| 13:57.18 | derf | We always tell people, "Feel free to write some, we'll accept patches," but no one ever does. |
| 13:58.42 | lardman | That's fair enough, I was just after a pointer |
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| 13:58.50 | lardman | and you've given me one |
| 13:59.29 | lardman | I'm trying to work out how to separate out the ogg page -> packet decoding to the ARM side, so I can send single packets to the DSP side for decoding |
| 14:00.00 | lardman | it's not helped by the multitude of places where new packets are read from |
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| 14:09.45 | Tu13es | anyone know anything about the webkit browser for the n800? |
| 14:10.56 | gla55_ | no, but i'm mildly intrested |
| 14:11.10 | Andy80 | anyone knows if we could have a STABLE browser on 770 one day :) ? |
| 14:11.30 | gla55_ | dunno, the default is quite stable compared to webkit on s60 |
| 14:11.31 | gla55_ | :) |
| 14:12.38 | Andy80 | opera on my N73 doesn't crash so often ;) |
| 14:12.49 | Andy80 | or better... never crashed to me |
| 14:17.32 | gla55_ | yeah s60 opera has become quite good |
| 14:17.36 | gla55_ | and opera mini too.. |
| 14:17.52 | gla55_ | much more better in the memory management side |
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| 14:29.07 | lardman | do they have the same funcitonality as microb? |
| 14:32.17 | kulve | lardman: did you notice that some body asked about "DSP/ARM shared memory test on N800" on dsp gw list |
| 14:32.38 | Andy80 | microb is even more unstable than opera :( |
| 14:32.39 | lardman | No, I've not been following it lately |
| 14:32.41 | Andy80 | (at least for me) |
| 14:32.49 | lardman | kulve: I'll take a look now |
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| 14:33.37 | lardman | odd the mailing list is so hard to find from the dsp gateway page |
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| 14:34.48 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:34.51 | timeless | andy? |
| 14:34.58 | timeless | do you have specific pages that crash the browser? |
| 14:35.08 | timeless | and if you disable flash, do you still have pages that crash the browser? |
| 14:35.10 | lardman | :) I didn't notice there was an existing shared memory test, oops, might have saved myself some work :D |
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| 14:36.05 | lardman | I'm surprised his code compiled, EXRAM doesn't exist iirc |
| 14:36.33 | lardman | ah, he's tried to create it, he should have used one of the pre-defined sections |
| 14:37.42 | kulve | lardman: I wrote some notes down about my experiments: http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2007/08/31/speex-encoder-on-n800s-dsp/ |
| 14:38.33 | lardman | kulve: Cool, I'll have a read of it in a bit |
| 14:42.21 | kulve | lardman: it's quite high level.. I'll need to write some details to the wiki |
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| 14:58.53 | AD-N770 | kulve: I read a bit the C55 DSP manuals yesterday |
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| 14:59.34 | lardman | AD-N770: See anything exciting? |
| 15:00.10 | lardman | kulve: That chap who emailed to the dspgateway list was using the maemo wiki page, I wonder why he didn't email the list. Very odd. |
| 15:00.50 | AD-N770 | kulve: about what you asked me for the math functions, I think that probably you will get better results on speed with a rewrite of some higher level functions |
| 15:01.13 | AD-N770 | than just the simple math ones |
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| 15:03.55 | lardman | In vorbisfile.c, in the _fetch_and_process_packet() fn, can anyone see why the second while(1) loop is there? |
| 15:04.18 | lardman | afaict, it can never loop through more than once |
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| 15:30.07 | AD-N770 | kulve: ping |
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| 15:32.49 | zeenix | AD-N770: he is a finn, must be out somewhere buzzing at this hour :) |
| 15:33.30 | AD-N770 | zeenix: ok, thanks |
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| 15:47.01 | lardman | derf: The stream is very closely linked to the other parts of the overall vorbis engine |
| 15:47.25 | lardman | rather confusing trying to see if the packets (and therefore stream) could be broken away and left on the ARM |
| 15:47.36 | lardman | I have a feeling I'm on a hiding to nowhere here though |
| 15:47.47 | lardman | after feeling optimistic this morning |
| 15:49.31 | lardman | The options are to make the break higher up (i.e. all on the DSP, for which I've already written the code, just need to fiddle with the malloc, etc. routines) |
| 15:49.50 | lardman | Or lower down, just the dsp functions. That seems to me to be a cleaner way of doing things |
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| 16:14.20 | AD-N770 | lardman: what you use to compile the dsp code ? |
| 16:15.56 | lardman | AD-N770: The 'free' Ti DSP toolchain |
| 16:16.15 | lardman | AD-N770: Take a look at the DSP Programming topic on the maemo wiki |
| 16:16.22 | AD-N770 | lardman: can it generate into assembly ? |
| 16:16.44 | lardman | AD-N770: C->ASM? |
| 16:16.48 | AD-N770 | yes |
| 16:16.53 | lardman | AD-N770: Yes, I think so |
| 16:17.05 | lardman | certainly it can diassemble |
| 16:17.30 | AD-N770 | is it gcc derived ? |
| 16:17.42 | lardman | no idea |
| 16:18.10 | AD-N770 | do you know if it supports inline assembly ? |
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| 16:19.03 | lardman | That I don't know, but there's a pdf on the Ti website about the assembler |
| 16:19.10 | lardman | compiler even |
| 16:19.19 | lardman | let me dig out the number for you... |
| 16:19.42 | AD-N770 | I think that spru376/example 3-19 is usefull for speex |
| 16:20.07 | lardman | http://www.ti.com/sc/docs/psheets/man_dsp.htm |
| 16:20.22 | lardman | search for c55 |
| 16:20.24 | lardman | lots of things there |
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| 16:20.56 | lardman | spru281f.pdf is the one I was thinking of |
| 16:22.26 | lardman | AD-N770: I don't know what operations speex requires, though FIR filter is presumably among them |
| 16:23.03 | lardman | AD-N770: I also don't know how good the C compiler is at optimisation |
| 16:23.49 | AD-N770 | what I'm thinking is that probably the C code don't generate the 2 mac paralelized |
| 16:24.15 | lardman | No idea, but one would assume it would do some things right |
| 16:24.24 | AD-N770 | so just take this code into an function in C using inline assembly would be usefull |
| 16:24.37 | lardman | yes |
| 16:25.05 | lardman | there were also some tips (in the link I posted yesterday) to make the C compiler generate better (more optimised code) |
| 16:25.05 | AD-N770 | i've been reading in the speex code, the sse optimization for FIR is done in a similar way |
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| 16:26.21 | AD-N770 | I only need to find which is the syntax used by the c compiler for inline assembly and passing data to it |
| 16:27.02 | AD-N770 | or could be that will be easier write it in one external module |
| 16:27.27 | AD-N770 | I will try to install the stuff at home this weekend and play a bit with it |
| 16:30.12 | lardman | section 6.5.3 of the compiler guide |
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| 16:34.28 | lardman | AD-N770: Looks like Intel syntax which is handy |
| 16:36.45 | lardman | have a nice weekend all |
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| 17:38.52 | Blacksitox | buenos dias |
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| 17:51.26 | booiiing-n800 | hi guys |
| 17:52.05 | booiiing-n800 | i just saw a report on tv about people throwing around nokia rainboots |
| 17:52.17 | booiiing-n800 | finland won ;) |
| 17:52.59 | booiiing-n800 | it seems to me that finnish people don't like nokia :> |
| 17:53.24 | booiiing-n800 | after all, there is also a mobile-throwing-competition |
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| 18:04.00 | WhisperingVoices | anyone here use GPE Calendar on the N800? |
| 18:04.06 | lle2 | anybody wanna guess what happened to my skype bugreport sent to skype.com? |
| 18:05.07 | lle2 | maemo.org report -> /dev/null |
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| 18:05.25 | lle2 | nokia.com report -> told me to send it to skype.com |
| 18:05.33 | lle2 | skype.com report -> told me to send it to nokia.com |
| 18:11.53 | tko | just automate that and I'm sure someone will get sufficiently pissed off :) |
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| 18:15.07 | WhisperingVoices | I need a way to backup GPE Calendar's calendar file before I use Erminig, on my N800, however the /user/.gpe/ directory isn't visible to me. Anyone have any ideas? |
| 18:17.29 | lle2 | tko: :) but this is actually not at all surprising state of affairs, although that's no excuse. |
| 18:18.11 | lle2 | Who knows how many bugreports get buried this way |
| 18:19.13 | tko | I'm sure the error managers could dig that up for you :) |
| 18:21.00 | lle2 | I'm sure I don't really wanna know |
| 18:23.47 | pyhimys | WhisperingVoices: install xterm |
| 18:24.17 | pyhimys | you can then tar cf gpe.tar .gpe |
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| 18:26.31 | WhisperingVoices | thanks pyhimys |
| 18:29.24 | WhisperingVoices | I can't see that on the catalogue, I guess I'll google for installation instructions |
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| 18:31.53 | Blacksitox | WhisperingVoices, http://maemo.org/downloads/product/osso-xterm-advanced |
| 18:32.27 | WhisperingVoices | I found osso-xterm after Red Pilling, thanks I'll try the maemo one instead |
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| 18:33.05 | b0unc3 | hello |
| 18:33.06 | _Monkey | what's up, b0unc3 |
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| 18:42.29 | pupnik_ | saw that one comin |
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| 18:42.48 | kikka | My n770 will come soon :):):):) |
| 18:43.23 | WhisperingVoices | [19:26] <pyhimys> you can then tar cf gpe.tar .gpe <- this done, but where will gpe.tar end up? |
| 18:43.47 | pupnik_ | in . |
| 18:44.07 | pyhimys | WhisperingVoices: your working directory |
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| 18:44.49 | pyhimys | WhisperingVoices: /home/user would be my guess |
| 18:44.51 | WhisperingVoices | Ok, thanks. Found that. |
| 18:44.59 | WhisperingVoices | I had to get GEP File Manager to see it. |
| 18:45.20 | WhisperingVoices | last question before me and my newbie self go and try and sync with Google Calendar ... how do I restore that .tar into the .gpe directory? :D |
| 18:45.36 | pyhimys | tar xf gpe.tar |
| 18:46.12 | pyhimys | you could also backup it remotely |
| 18:46.32 | WhisperingVoices | I don't have anything else that runs Linux, well a laptop that just lost its adapter and has no battery |
| 18:47.01 | pyhimys | tar cf - .gpe | ssh user@foo.bar 'tar xf -' |
| 18:47.31 | pyhimys | gotta love ssh pipes |
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| 18:48.59 | pupnik_ | yes, what took windows custom software to do, could be done since the early '70s with unix builtin commands |
| 18:49.14 | pupnik_ | for e.g. backing up compressed partitions over a network |
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| 18:54.59 | WhisperingVoices | Bleh, I can't click on 'Add' in Erminig. |
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| 19:01.48 | Tu13es | WhisperingVoices: my gf had that problem |
| 19:01.49 | Tu13es | then it randomly worked |
| 19:01.56 | Tu13es | I think redoing her google info fixedi t |
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| 19:14.57 | WhisperingVoices | I hadn't logged into Google Calendar on the PDa |
| 19:15.00 | WhisperingVoices | erm, n800 |
| 19:15.05 | WhisperingVoices | that fixed it :) thanks all for your help |
| 19:15.13 | WhisperingVoices | I am now even happier than I already was with my n800 :D |
| 19:18.37 | mbuf | can the N800 operate USB in host mode? |
| 19:19.09 | lle2 | mbuf: yes, using the experimental patches |
| 19:19.53 | lle2 | mbuf: it won't be able to provide power |
| 19:20.33 | mbuf | lle2, is it an OTG controller? |
| 19:20.47 | mbuf | lle2, so it can switch between host and device? |
| 19:21.44 | |tbb| | lle2: could u plug any usb keyboard on it |
| 19:22.07 | lle2 | mbuf: in principle yes, with the kernel we ship, no |
| 19:22.33 | mbuf | lle2, thanks |
| 19:22.40 | lle2 | |tbb|: I don't think so, they need to be powered |
| 19:23.40 | lle2 | |tbb|: with a modified hub that provides power to the devices you can do it |
| 19:26.50 | lle2 | |tbb|: easiest way to get a keyboard is to buy a bluetooth kb |
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| 19:27.55 | |tbb| | got an url how to modify a usbhub |
| 19:28.50 | lle2 | no, but try searching for "usb hub mod 770" or something ;) |
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| 19:45.42 | pbryan | So, Ubuntu Mobile for N800? |
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| 19:51.04 | ||cw | pbryan: ubuntu is not (yet) targeting nokia devices |
| 19:51.18 | pbryan | ||cw: Yeah, so far just the Intel platform. |
| 19:51.24 | ||cw | their only target so far is Intel's MID platform |
| 19:51.37 | pbryan | I guess we'll see when it releases. |
| 19:51.53 | pbryan | If so, won't that be interesting critical mass? |
| 19:53.06 | ||cw | since ubuntu doesn't officialy support arm it could be difficult |
| 19:53.35 | pbryan | ||cw: Well, there's a branch of Debian (armeb) which is not officially supported by Debian either, but seems to have a strong following. |
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| 19:55.35 | ekim|irc | Hi |
| 19:55.43 | pbryan | Hi. |
| 19:55.44 | ||cw | pbryan: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-July/019376.html |
| 19:55.52 | ekim|irc | Does anyone know how I can get man on my 770 |
| 19:56.14 | ekim|irc | also...there is a package called genutils with like 50 unix utilities |
| 19:56.22 | ekim|irc | but I cant install itr because it conflicts with busybox |
| 19:56.59 | pbryan | Hmm. That post was a while ago. |
| 19:57.06 | pbryan | Any progress? |
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| 19:57.54 | pbryan | Google to the rescue. |
| 19:57.58 | pbryan | ;) |
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| 20:09.51 | ekim|irc | Can someone help me |
| 20:10.06 | ekim|irc | also...there is a package called genutils with like 50 unix utilities , it says it conflicts with busybox ... how can I install it |
| 20:21.04 | ekim|irc | alo |
| 20:21.06 | ekim|irc | also |
| 20:21.19 | ekim|irc | what is the bar with the applications on the bottom of the screen in this screenshot ? |
| 20:21.19 | ekim|irc | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1154/screenshot.png |
| 20:22.32 | ekim|irc | Is everyone here asleep ? |
| 20:22.44 | celesteh | zzzzzzz |
| 20:23.28 | ekim|irc | seriously |
| 20:23.29 | celesteh | screenshot: no idea. my OS looks nothing like that |
| 20:23.36 | celesteh | maybe it's an applet |
| 20:23.38 | ekim|irc | I want that :) |
| 20:23.48 | ekim|irc | maybe its just a customized IDEA |
| 20:24.40 | celesteh | i'm awake, i just don't have answers |
| 20:24.43 | celesteh | everytime i've tried to sort out packet conflicts it really has not been worth the time or effort |
| 20:25.06 | celesteh | you could copy the conflicting package to a different computer and then mount your N800 via usb |
| 20:25.13 | celesteh | and then manually install every element |
| 20:25.50 | ekim|irc | Found it |
| 20:25.51 | ekim|irc | http://simple-launcher.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 20:25.56 | ekim|irc | cool |
| 20:26.08 | |tbb| | have someone successfully had using rdesktop over an adhoc connection |
| 20:27.15 | celesteh | but the conflict is probably because of some library |
| 20:27.16 | celesteh | one package wants one version, the other package wants another version |
| 20:27.18 | celesteh | so most of the things you manually install don't work because they want the wrong library |
| 20:27.20 | celesteh | OR you get the new package to work but break the old one |
| 20:27.30 | |tbb| | my connection stops working after a few seconds :( |
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| 20:37.37 | MCCob | any valid Tapioca Repository in this world ?? |
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| 20:41.23 | birunko | MCCob, http://www.maemo.org.br/VoIP/apt/, i guess |
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| 21:12.11 | shodanjr_gr | hello guys! |
| 21:12.14 | shodanjr_gr | and gals! |
| 21:12.36 | shodanjr_gr | ive been thinking of getting a used 770, can anyone answer a few questions? |
| 21:14.23 | pupnik | yes |
| 21:14.40 | pupnik | probably 6+ billion |
| 21:14.55 | shodanjr_gr | excellent :) |
| 21:15.00 | shodanjr_gr | first of all |
| 21:15.07 | shodanjr_gr | how is it speed wise? |
| 21:15.50 | pupnik | about as fast as a pentium 2 |
| 21:16.09 | pupnik | or an intel xscale 400mhz |
| 21:16.24 | shodanjr_gr | in usage terms for instance, how is the speed/usability of the web browser compared to the one in the recent S60 phones. |
| 21:17.02 | pupnik | the browser is plenty fast, just some websites are terrible |
| 21:17.20 | shodanjr_gr | aha |
| 21:17.27 | shodanjr_gr | what about applications? |
| 21:17.52 | pupnik | you can run applications on it |
| 21:17.55 | shodanjr_gr | i mean |
| 21:18.20 | shodanjr_gr | is there a large variety? is there an office suite compatible with MS Office documents? (at least for viewing) |
| 21:19.18 | pupnik | well on that account 1) ms office documents are a poorly defined standard, with built-in incompatibilities and flaws |
| 21:19.32 | pupnik | but there is a word processor and a .doc viewer |
| 21:19.42 | shodanjr_gr | in responce to 1) i am very well aware of that, unfortunately its a necessary evil |
| 21:20.07 | shodanjr_gr | cant get every professor @ my uni + every co-student switch to Open Office :P |
| 21:20.22 | pupnik | it's called abiword and very nice. open office is too big to run on the 770 |
| 21:20.38 | pupnik | but abiword still has a few crash bugs |
| 21:20.42 | shodanjr_gr | well i dont really care about editing, i just want to be able to VIEW files |
| 21:20.50 | pupnik | for that i think people use evince |
| 21:21.07 | shodanjr_gr | What about the email client? has it improved? i read in some reviews that it had some usability issues. |
| 21:21.35 | pupnik | there is a port of claws mail - the standard email client is a bit like 'wordpad' in lack of features |
| 21:21.55 | derf | Just use webmail. |
| 21:22.19 | shodanjr_gr | i use a gmail a lot, but also i gota have access to my uni's email |
| 21:22.25 | pupnik | i use webmail, but i can understand people wanting to connect to a hotspot, download their mails and process them while not online |
| 21:22.31 | shodanjr_gr | yup |
| 21:22.34 | shodanjr_gr | that too |
| 21:22.57 | shodanjr_gr | i also have a nokia e61 smartphone, i'd suppose the two would work well together? (D.U.N over BT for instance for when i am not in range of a hotspot) |
| 21:23.21 | pupnik | anyway searching claws mail threads on internettablettalk.com should return usability reports |
| 21:23.34 | shodanjr_gr | hm... |
| 21:23.36 | shodanjr_gr | another thing |
| 21:23.49 | pupnik | i think dun over bt works with most phones - no experience with it |
| 21:23.50 | shodanjr_gr | does the tablet have a microphone + spearker arranged in such a way that it is skype-friendly? |
| 21:24.24 | pupnik | i've done some feedback tests (it's funny, there's a one-liner in the shell that lets you set up a feedback loop) |
| 21:24.41 | pupnik | and i can get to about 3/5 volume before feedback gain becomes > 1 |
| 21:24.56 | shodanjr_gr | i just checked a compatiblity list and it seems that it cooperates with N-series phones so it would probably work with the E-Series as well |
| 21:24.59 | pupnik | sorry 2/5 |
| 21:25.02 | shodanjr_gr | i didnt quite get those last 2 sentences :p |
| 21:25.19 | pupnik | it has a mic and speaker, the mic hears the speaker |
| 21:25.32 | shodanjr_gr | aaah |
| 21:25.50 | shodanjr_gr | does the headphone slot support phone-headsets? |
| 21:25.57 | shodanjr_gr | (single ear-thingie + mic) |
| 21:26.10 | pupnik | from what i've heard yes, but this isn't confirmed - maybe someone else knows for sure |
| 21:26.23 | shodanjr_gr | hm... |
| 21:26.28 | shodanjr_gr | oh |
| 21:26.29 | shodanjr_gr | another one |
| 21:26.32 | shodanjr_gr | what about PIM apps? |
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| 21:29.57 | pupnik | hmm just found a headset here but it is the 2-plug variety |
| 21:30.35 | pupnik | PIM diehards say the bundled apps fail |
| 21:31.09 | celesteh | you can get a calendar, contacts etc in 3rd party apps |
| 21:31.15 | pupnik | but there's a port of GPE, which is supposedly better |
| 21:31.22 | celesteh | i use that |
| 21:31.33 | celesteh | and i can sync my calendar to google, which is cool |
| 21:31.35 | WhisperingVoices | I really like GPE, compared to everything else I've tried |
| 21:31.44 | WhisperingVoices | although I'm on the N800 not the E61 |
| 21:33.16 | pupnik | i really need to update the 770 PalmOS emulator someday |
| 21:34.53 | shodanjr_gr | hm... |
| 21:35.08 | shodanjr_gr | is any of the supported calendar apps sync-able to outlook? |
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| 21:35.43 | pupnik | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-1180.html this thread deals with that |
| 21:35.54 | shodanjr_gr | cheers ;) |
| 21:36.32 | pupnik | have you found a place that still sells new 770s shodanjr_gr ? |
| 21:37.08 | shodanjr_gr | nope |
| 21:37.12 | shodanjr_gr | im scouting on ebay |
| 21:37.14 | shodanjr_gr | for a used one |
| 21:37.27 | shodanjr_gr | on www.nokia770.com i saw a couple of links to eshops |
| 21:37.32 | shodanjr_gr | with N770s on sale |
| 21:37.35 | shodanjr_gr | you could check it out |
| 21:38.11 | pupnik | i was just wondering - i bought mine last november |
| 21:38.24 | shodanjr_gr | Nokia never released the damn thing here in Greece |
| 21:38.27 | pupnik | goes with me everyehwere |
| 21:38.30 | shodanjr_gr | and they just NOW released the N800 |
| 21:38.43 | shodanjr_gr | which is too expensive for my CS student allowance :p |
| 21:38.47 | shodanjr_gr | oh |
| 21:38.48 | shodanjr_gr | another question |
| 21:38.49 | celesteh | alas |
| 21:38.49 | pupnik | girls think it's cute |
| 21:38.55 | shodanjr_gr | hehehe |
| 21:39.02 | shodanjr_gr | gadgets are converstation starters |
| 21:39.10 | celesteh | total chick magnet |
| 21:39.12 | shodanjr_gr | i get that with my smartphone all the time |
| 21:39.27 | WhisperingVoices | [22:36] <shodanjr_gr> is any of the supported calendar apps sync-able to outlook? <- Ermining allows GPE Calendar to sync to Google Calendar and you can sync Google Calendar to Outlook separately |
| 21:39.35 | pupnik | most people ask questions when they see the 800x480 display |
| 21:39.39 | celesteh | i have to carry a stick with me to beat them away when i'm trying to walk around with my n800 |
| 21:39.40 | shodanjr_gr | aaah cheers WhisperingVoices |
| 21:39.43 | WhisperingVoices | yea the display is sexy as hell |
| 21:39.44 | shodanjr_gr | :p |
| 21:39.48 | shodanjr_gr | yup |
| 21:39.57 | WhisperingVoices | but Shodan I don't know if Ermining will work on the E61 |
| 21:40.07 | shodanjr_gr | i just want something to surf the net on so that i dont have to lug my ultraportable to school every day |
| 21:40.35 | shodanjr_gr | btw does the n770 support WPA-Enterprise wireless security? does it support certificate importing? |
| 21:40.36 | pupnik | with a bluetooth keyboard it would be an excellent lecture note-taking + sketch device |
| 21:40.52 | shodanjr_gr | i dont take notes :p i just pay attention |
| 21:41.21 | WhisperingVoices | I find mine is decent for sketching ... no bluetooth keyboards I've found yet though |
| 21:41.33 | shodanjr_gr | how's the handwritting recognition? |
| 21:41.35 | celesteh | i find the finger keyboard thing to be pretty good for note taking, actually |
| 21:41.43 | shodanjr_gr | back when i had a palm i was pretty fast with graffiti |
| 21:41.50 | WhisperingVoices | I don't know about Enterprise security, mine is running WPA-PSK |
| 21:42.04 | pupnik | get a Nokia 770 and help test the palm emulator please |
| 21:42.31 | WhisperingVoices | I can't get used to the finger keyboard, I guess I should practice more |
| 21:42.35 | shodanjr_gr | if and when i get it, ill be spending some time here :p |
| 21:43.08 | shodanjr_gr | anyone here have experience with running skype on the 770? |
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| 21:43.34 | WhisperingVoices | No but then I haven't found out how to operate my webcam yet |
| 21:43.45 | WhisperingVoices | I know you'll need to patch the OS to get Skype |
| 21:43.50 | shodanjr_gr | im talking about the 770, i dont think that has a webcam :p |
| 21:44.15 | WhisperingVoices | I was illustrating my lack of connectivity :P |
| 21:44.21 | shodanjr_gr | hahahah :p |
| 21:44.33 | shodanjr_gr | it'd be pretty handy if skype where usable |
| 21:44.38 | celesteh | i hate handwriting recorgnition. bluetooth keyboards are kind of hard to find in the netherlands |
| 21:44.53 | shodanjr_gr | id love free phonecalls and i cant get my E61 to connect to my Uni's Wifi net |
| 21:44.56 | celesteh | i mean, tiny portable ones. there's one shop that sells them and they're always sold out |
| 21:45.22 | shodanjr_gr | did you check on ebay? |
| 21:45.41 | celesteh | want to try before i buy |
| 21:45.48 | WhisperingVoices | I think Skype is usable on the n770 |
| 21:46.01 | WhisperingVoices | but it has lots of features disabled like file sharing and so on |
| 21:46.13 | shodanjr_gr | ah kk celesteh |
| 21:46.18 | shodanjr_gr | id just check reviews and buy on ebay though |
| 21:47.06 | shodanjr_gr | btw |
| 21:47.10 | celesteh | ooh, this is fancy. it has a wizard and everything |
| 21:47.19 | shodanjr_gr | what's up with the Hacker edition of 2007 for the 770? |
| 21:47.21 | shodanjr_gr | is it usable? |
| 21:48.13 | WhisperingVoices | there's an n880!? |
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| 21:48.27 | shodanjr_gr | eeer |
| 21:48.31 | shodanjr_gr | sleight of finger |
| 21:48.33 | shodanjr_gr | N800 :p |
| 21:49.03 | WhisperingVoices | Well I know there are some articles on how to set up your 800 for packetsniffing and other hijinks, abusing its wireless and assorted Linux stuff - for which you need to flash your OS to get root access |
| 21:49.44 | WhisperingVoices | the hacker version could be a root-enabled version |
| 21:50.44 | pupnik | shodanjr_gr: it is usable and offers some improvements, but it is a hackers playtool - for normal use 2006 is better |
| 21:51.55 | shodanjr_gr | aha |
| 21:52.49 | shodanjr_gr | and on top of it all, i STILL havent recieved my Call of Duty 4 beta acceptance email :p |
| 21:53.35 | pupnik | with respect to games, there is one danger |
| 21:53.57 | pupnik | once you get a 770 and set-up scratchbox, you might find that porting your favorite apps/games is more fun than playing them |
| 21:54.11 | WhisperingVoices | what's Scratchbox? |
| 21:54.12 | _Monkey | Scratchbox is like the glue that ties it all together |
| 21:54.31 | pupnik | gonna fix that |
| 21:54.52 | WhisperingVoices | Say you're a complete novice to Linux and software and everything, but there is an application you really want to port and you don't mind doing the work and learning |
| 21:54.56 | WhisperingVoices | Where would you start? |
| 21:55.11 | WhisperingVoices | I *really* want Kdissert for the n800, or Brainstorm |
| 21:55.46 | celesteh | yarg, i told claws mail to use my primary gmail account and it's trying to download 1k messages. oops |
| 21:55.55 | shodanjr_gr | hahhaha |
| 21:55.56 | shodanjr_gr | have fun :p |
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| 21:56.21 | shodanjr_gr | or not |
| 21:56.33 | shodanjr_gr | keep a fire extuinguisher handy incase it catches fire |
| 21:56.44 | lle2 | WhisperingVoices: follow the maemo sbox guide, make a tiny little test program, package it up and run it on the device. after you're sure you got that, start playing with the app that you want to port. |
| 21:57.22 | shodanjr_gr | if i knew how to program on anything BUT java, id try porting some stuff over :p |
| 21:57.33 | lle2 | WhisperingVoices: do not use scratchbox.org documentation, it will confuse you. |
| 21:57.48 | shodanjr_gr | btw will Asus EVER release that EEE pc? |
| 21:57.58 | celesteh | alas, java is unsupported so far, but python isn't too hard to pick up |
| 21:58.07 | WhisperingVoices | hmm |
| 21:58.20 | WhisperingVoices | it seems odd that Java is unsupported |
| 21:58.25 | celesteh | also, it is wise to learn more than one language when you're a cs student :) |
| 21:58.52 | celesteh | it's annoying, as i have a bunch of java apps i'd like to run. i think javasoft is working on a port right now |
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| 21:59.58 | shodanjr_gr | none of you guys have heard of the EEE? |
| 22:00.11 | WhisperingVoices | I'm not a CS student |
| 22:00.14 | WhisperingVoices | :/ |
| 22:00.17 | shodanjr_gr | :p |
| 22:00.17 | shodanjr_gr | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asus_Eee |
| 22:01.26 | WhisperingVoices | eee looks nice |
| 22:01.33 | WhisperingVoices | I hope I have a better paying job when it comes out |
| 22:01.45 | shodanjr_gr | its pretty cheap and its got good specs |
| 22:01.55 | lle2 | electrical engineers and math and physics seem to be more useful for embedded sw development than plain cs. |
| 22:01.56 | shodanjr_gr | lots of good things can happen with a 900mhz CPU and 512 megs of ram |
| 22:03.41 | shodanjr_gr | i wish they had given a touchscreen to the PSP :p |
| 22:03.42 | pupnik | scratchbox? |
| 22:03.43 | _Monkey | scratchbox is, like, a cross-compilation toolkit designed to make embedded Linux application development easier. It is used by Maemo development platform but is not restricted to that use. Homepage: http://www.scratchbox.org/ Maemo 3.x (bora/N800) tutorial: http://qurl.org/yN Maemo 2.2 (gregale/770) tutorial: http://qurl.org/zN A walkthrough for 3.x: http://qurl.org/0O |
| 22:05.56 | kikka | The eee in germany costs more than in the usa. i think that#s a little bit unfair :/ But... eventually i buy it. |
| 22:06.48 | shodanjr_gr | well |
| 22:06.53 | pupnik | germany has stronger consumer protection laws, higher taxes and import tarriffs and higher energy prices - all of these are reflected in product prices |
| 22:07.01 | shodanjr_gr | since the USD went to hell eveyrthing costs more in the EU than in the US |
| 22:07.08 | shodanjr_gr | think XBOX 360, PS3, all kinds of software etc etc |
| 22:07.26 | lle2 | eh? funny logic. I guess you're from US? |
| 22:07.26 | shodanjr_gr | plus most US prices are listed without VAT while most EU prices include VAT |
| 22:07.29 | pupnik | that is backwards. when the value of the dollar falls, prices go up in the USA |
| 22:07.38 | pupnik | that is correct |
| 22:08.04 | pupnik | scratchbox? |
| 22:08.04 | _Monkey | rumour has it scratchbox is a cross-compilation toolkit for maemo application development. Homepage: http://www.scratchbox.org/ Maemo 3.x (bora/N800) tutorial: http://qurl.org/yN Maemo 2.2 (gregale/770) tutorial: http://qurl.org/zN A walkthrough for 3.x: http://qurl.org/0O Scratchbox Downloads: http://qurl.org/1O |
| 22:08.10 | shodanjr_gr | its not about the value of the dollar, its about the way companies decide to set the dollar as equal to the euro |
| 22:08.13 | shodanjr_gr | while thats not the case |
| 22:08.21 | lle2 | no longer true |
| 22:08.34 | shodanjr_gr | $399 is not €399 and companies should know that |
| 22:08.51 | xorAxAx | @@? |
| 22:09.07 | shodanjr_gr | that second 399 is in Euros :p |
| 22:09.21 | pupnik | lle2 do you want to improve that scratchbox hint for _Monkey? |
| 22:09.29 | kikka | Yes. It sucks. I'll have an ee for 199$. |
| 22:09.41 | kikka | Not for 299€ or 399€. |
| 22:09.53 | lle2 | pupnik: not really, I don't have anything constructive to say about sb1 :) |
| 22:10.18 | tso | hmm, it seems my current fonts have issues with non-english letters... |
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| 22:11.39 | pupnik | you pay higher prices in europe because your governments know what to do with your money better than you do |
| 22:11.43 | pupnik | (or at least they think they do) |
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| 22:12.11 | shodanjr_gr | even after taxes we end up paying more pupnik |
| 22:12.21 | pupnik | yes do you know why? |
| 22:12.27 | lle2 | also because here you need localised versions for each 5-15 million people |
| 22:12.40 | lle2 | with localised support |
| 22:12.58 | shodanjr_gr | no we dont :p |
| 22:13.00 | pupnik | well consider that in germany, computer products must carry a three year warranty. Who ends up paying for all those devices that get sent back after 2.5 years? |
| 22:13.07 | pupnik | You pay for it, in the purchase price. |
| 22:13.38 | pupnik | In england i think it's 5 years. |
| 22:13.48 | Blacksitox | re |
| 22:13.58 | shodanjr_gr | actually its european law or something that all electronics come with a 2 year warranty |
| 22:14.15 | celesteh | the taxes aren't so great, but my gf got a root canal for about 150€, so i think i'm coming out ahead so far. |
| 22:14.31 | pupnik | In the US you have the *option* of purchasing an extended warranty - if you want to pay for it. |
| 22:14.34 | shodanjr_gr | also |
| 22:14.36 | shodanjr_gr | here in Greece |
| 22:14.38 | shodanjr_gr | its freaking hot |
| 22:14.41 | pupnik | Which solution offers choice to the consumer? |
| 22:14.43 | celesteh | hahaha |
| 22:14.53 | lle2 | funny, most of the stuff I buy in finland seem to carry only a 12month warranty. not that it really matters. end up losing most of the crap before that anyway. |
| 22:15.05 | celesteh | the guy at the media markt tried to sell me an extended warranty with my n800 |
| 22:15.24 | celesteh | because it only came with 6 months or something |
| 22:15.25 | shodanjr_gr | let me restate the above |
| 22:15.31 | shodanjr_gr | i meant a 2 years MANUFACTURER's warranty |
| 22:15.37 | shodanjr_gr | not a store-warranty |
| 22:15.40 | shodanjr_gr | or maybe its the other way |
| 22:15.46 | shodanjr_gr | im not sure, havent slept in a long time |
| 22:15.54 | pupnik | i think you are correct shodanjr_gr |
| 22:16.10 | celesteh | ah. well, he also told me the warranty would cover me if it died because of a bike crash, but i'm skeptical of that |
| 22:16.27 | shodanjr_gr | well accidental insurance is different |
| 22:16.36 | tso | pupnik: as some have tried to point out with linux distros, to much choice is a bad thing, at times... |
| 22:16.45 | shodanjr_gr | the manufacturer's warranty covers you on hardware failures |
| 22:16.52 | Darksmurf | On the wiki there is a section on integrating bt pan into the connection manager on the 770. It links to a page to download 'dbus-s'. The link has a ) at the end. It causes a 404 error. It took me awhile to notice the problem. I just thought the file was goe. Could someone fix it? |
| 22:17.10 | shodanjr_gr | although most of my electronics at some point or other end up out of warranty before their time |
| 22:17.17 | celesteh | i don't really beleive that they would cover me if i, say, crashed cuz i was drunk bicycling (don't drink and bike) |
| 22:17.19 | shodanjr_gr | cause i always brek the warranty seals and poke inside :p |
| 22:17.35 | shodanjr_gr | celesteh there are some store-warranties that cover ANY sort of damage regardless of cause |
| 22:17.49 | shodanjr_gr | there was a store in the US that would even replace your console if YOU poored water on it on PURPOSE |
| 22:18.26 | lle2 | what happened to the store? |
| 22:18.45 | celesteh | that's nuts. |
| 22:18.53 | shodanjr_gr | its a large chain |
| 22:18.58 | shodanjr_gr | and thats an extra charge service |
| 22:19.02 | shodanjr_gr | its not the default warranty |
| 22:19.04 | pupnik | of course there are positives and negatives tso - recall the USA N770 buyer whose 770 broke after 18 days and he could not get it fixed for free because it wasn't from an authorized reseller |
| 22:19.06 | shodanjr_gr | and it costed quite a big |
| 22:19.08 | shodanjr_gr | *bit |
| 22:19.43 | lle2 | that's different. sure you can buy such idiot insurances in europe as well |
| 22:19.43 | tso | yep, there is no black or white, only infinite shades of gray... |
| 22:20.03 | celesteh | i finally pointed claws mail at the right gmail account and now it's timing out when connecting to the SMTP server |
| 22:20.05 | shodanjr_gr | in other news i aced my compilers project today :p |
| 22:20.15 | celesteh | yay! |
| 22:20.41 | pupnik | shodanjr_gr: you should implement X86-ARM dynamic recompilation in dosbox |
| 22:20.49 | shodanjr_gr | hm... |
| 22:20.52 | shodanjr_gr | actually |
| 22:20.57 | lle2 | fix qemu instead |
| 22:21.10 | shodanjr_gr | for the moment id like to add a division operation to the small subset of java i had to make a compiler for :p |
| 22:22.09 | shodanjr_gr | brb gona go get some cereals |
| 22:22.12 | pupnik | I wish universities would put computer science students to work on *useful* things |
| 22:22.40 | celesteh | undergrads at uc berkeley wrote GIMP, iirc |
| 22:23.04 | pupnik | uc berkeley also wrote BSD |
| 22:23.16 | pupnik | before the days of the microsoft takeover of universities |
| 22:23.20 | celesteh | but not undergrads in their free time |
| 22:23.28 | celesteh | which is who wrote gimp |
| 22:23.49 | celesteh | java is really really popular with cs departments now, and with good reason |
| 22:23.53 | pupnik | yeah i remember |
| 22:24.12 | lle2 | sure they write useful things, if you value some enterprise java beans |
| 22:24.55 | celesteh | i don't know if i've ever written anything useful actually |
| 22:25.14 | WhisperingVoices | how virus-proof is Linux? I haven't spotted anything like ClamAV for the n800 yet |
| 22:25.19 | celesteh | no, scratch that. lots of cgi scripts :p |
| 22:25.51 | shodanjr_gr | yeah |
| 22:25.52 | shodanjr_gr | id like that too |
| 22:26.07 | shodanjr_gr | we dont get the chacne to work on "usable" stuff |
| 22:27.01 | celesteh | actually, i think there's a trend going on, away from usable. |
| 22:27.09 | shodanjr_gr | actually the only projects ive ever done that were close to "usable" were a couple of web based applications (PHP and JSP) |
| 22:27.09 | Darksmurf | Anyone here know how to make a bootable cd that is more than a few megs in size? |
| 22:27.13 | shodanjr_gr | and they were BORING as hell |
| 22:27.45 | shodanjr_gr | im talking "slice my wrists like an emo kid boring" |
| 22:27.50 | celesteh | most programming is boring as hell. large reason i don't do it for money any more |
| 22:27.57 | shodanjr_gr | well |
| 22:27.57 | shodanjr_gr | idk |
| 22:28.03 | shodanjr_gr | i loved both the compiler's project |
| 22:28.09 | shodanjr_gr | and a cryptography project i did |
| 22:28.11 | shodanjr_gr | very fun and very challenging |
| 22:28.35 | celesteh | i loved school too. it's great. always doing new things. nobody asks you to fix bugs in the stupid project of doom that never ends. it's great |
| 22:29.04 | shodanjr_gr | hahhaha :p |
| 22:29.04 | celesteh | programming for money on the other hand . . . |
| 22:29.05 | shodanjr_gr | that IS true |
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| 22:29.27 | shodanjr_gr | yeah thats one of the things i fear for when im done with the university tvh |
| 22:29.36 | shodanjr_gr | what do you do for aliving now celesteh? |
| 22:29.43 | celesteh | find out why the db gets out of sync when people use this giant collection of broken CGI scripts that don't do locking correctly. arg. |
| 22:30.27 | celesteh | i went back to school. now i compose algorimic music |
| 22:30.34 | shodanjr_gr | wow |
| 22:30.37 | shodanjr_gr | that sounds cool |
| 22:30.41 | shodanjr_gr | "pun intended" :p |
| 22:30.42 | celesteh | just as much programming, but sometimes now the bugs sound nice |
| 22:33.25 | shodanjr_gr | say waht you will |
| 22:33.29 | shodanjr_gr | British comedy rules |
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| 22:33.47 | celesteh | http://www.berkeleynoise.com/celesteh |
| 22:34.19 | tso | hmm, i have a feel that the database (or whatever) that the application manager uses have been corrupted. it seems i have minimo installed while i cant find it in said manager... |
| 22:34.24 | WhisperingVoices | have you seen Peep Show, shodan? |
| 22:34.58 | shodanjr_gr | nah |
| 22:36.19 | shodanjr_gr | hm... |
| 22:36.21 | shodanjr_gr | what to do... |
| 22:36.24 | WhisperingVoices | it's my favourite British comedy |
| 22:36.31 | WhisperingVoices | well worth a look if you're into understated savage humour |
| 22:36.36 | shodanjr_gr | i like the old school stuff |
| 22:36.40 | shodanjr_gr | Monty Pythons |
| 22:36.45 | shodanjr_gr | John Cleese |
| 22:36.48 | WhisperingVoices | Fawlty Towers, Fools and Horses? |
| 22:36.52 | shodanjr_gr | oh yeah |
| 22:36.57 | shodanjr_gr | Fawlty Towers is soooooooooooooooooooo good |
| 22:37.26 | WhisperingVoices | So anyway - is the N800 virus-prone or too small to have any viruses written for it? |
| 22:37.27 | celesteh | tso, i don't know how you can fix that except for reflashing |
| 22:37.37 | shodanjr_gr | well |
| 22:37.46 | shodanjr_gr | like any device in theory its virus prone |
| 22:37.57 | tso | i was afraid of something like that |
| 22:38.05 | WhisperingVoices | [23:36] <tso> hmm, i have a feel that the database (or whatever) that the application manager uses have been corrupted. it seems i have minimo installed while i cant find it in said manager... <- can you not access it through Extras either? |
| 22:38.08 | shodanjr_gr | its been proven that for every combination of OS and harwdare platform there CAN be a virus |
| 22:38.24 | shodanjr_gr | however getting an Internet Tablet infected would be the least of my worries :p |
| 22:38.25 | celesteh | i could just be a problem with minimo |
| 22:38.41 | WhisperingVoices | Okay, but since there are no AV programmes (that I've found) what are my chances of picking something up? |
| 22:38.52 | celesteh | IT could just be a problem with minimo. lord knows that app has problems |
| 22:38.55 | shodanjr_gr | very very very slim to nilch |
| 22:38.56 | tso | WhisperingVoices: i can run it just fine from extras, thats why i think its still installed. under its not listed under installed apps, but shows up under "installable apps"... |
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| 22:39.19 | lle2 | tried re-installing and then removing? |
| 22:39.19 | celesteh | what happens if you try to install it, tso? |
| 22:39.21 | shodanjr_gr | the Internet Platform user base is too small for a virus writter to actually bother |
| 22:39.34 | tso | the install fails, with a very non-informative error... |
| 22:39.41 | celesteh | one of the bajillion lurkers is going to take that as a challenge |
| 22:39.45 | WhisperingVoices | when I tried to install Minimo it pretended to crash half way through, I tried again and it said it was installed and it shows up fine for me |
| 22:39.46 | shodanjr_gr | :p |
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| 22:39.55 | lle2 | shodanjr_gr: I think virus writers are simply not smart enough to get the dev environment working |
| 22:40.03 | WhisperingVoices | I'll use the default browser instead of minimo then |
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| 22:40.08 | tso | but i have a feel the install fails because of a lack of space... |
| 22:40.13 | lle2 | security through obstruction of development |
| 22:40.22 | shodanjr_gr | hahahha |
| 22:40.22 | shodanjr_gr | :p |
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| 22:40.37 | shodanjr_gr | im gona suggest that to my Infrastructure Security Professor :p |
| 22:40.43 | celesteh | you can check how much space you have by looking at the file manager. |
| 22:40.57 | tso | also, minimo is just the largest of the programs not listed iirc. there are some others in "extras" that i cant find listed in installed apps... |
| 22:41.19 | WhisperingVoices | try Red Pilling? |
| 22:41.28 | WhisperingVoices | maybe there's some sort of weird permissions problem in getting it to show |
| 22:41.43 | shodanjr_gr | ahahhaah Black Adder 2 is hilarious |
| 22:41.43 | tso | hmm, didnt think about that. sillty me |
| 22:45.29 | tso | hmm, still dont see it listed... |
| 22:51.54 | tso | celesteh: to much windows-like for my taste... |
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| 22:52.12 | tso | i like to understand why something failed, so that maybe it can be fixed in the future |
| 22:53.27 | tso | heh, i wonder if nokia will put a couple of buttons on the right side of the wimax n800, and put in n-gage support on it... |
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| 22:59.01 | tso | hmm, managed to free up enough space to "install" minimo... |
| 23:00.35 | tso | heh, i have the same free space both before and after install :P |
| 23:00.43 | tso | maybe ill just leave it alone then |
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| 23:06.30 | bmk789 | is there a way to run a full-fledged maemo2007 system in a VM? |
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| 23:13.17 | pupnik | tso something like this? http://pupnik.de/Nokia970med4.png |
| 23:13.51 | tso | hehe, cool picture :) |
| 23:14.09 | tso | looks like a interesting device that :) |
| 23:14.20 | tso | does it have triggers on top? |
| 23:16.46 | tso | still, there is allways the gp2x |
| 23:18.46 | tso | well talk about the sun, does this look familiar? http://gp2x.com/ |
| 23:22.31 | pupnik | I know the gp2x but i don't want to buy a device just for games |
| 23:22.42 | pupnik | And i don't want to carry around two or three devices |
| 23:23.37 | tso | i know the feel... |
| 23:24.01 | tso | hell, with the 770, im allready carrying two device (it and a phone, the SE Z710) |
| 23:24.09 | pupnik | I'm afraid Nokia will not put any buttons on the right hand side for two reasons: 1) The tablet is supposed to look 'serious' and rhs buttons might make it look too 'gamey' and 2) Nokia might not want to turn the tablet into a device that could compete with their N-Gage line. |
| 23:24.56 | tso | thats why i said "put in n-gage support in the sprint-bound wimax version of n800" |
| 23:25.05 | pupnik | Ahh |
| 23:25.34 | pupnik | But even with n-gage support, the controllers on the N800 are not suitable. |
| 23:26.02 | pupnik | You *need* an 8-way dpad that can be moved swiftly, and at least 4 buttons on the rhs |
| 23:27.01 | pupnik | An interesting possiblity might be a slide-on case with integrated gaming dpad on the left and buttons on the righthand side |
| 23:27.09 | tso | hmm... |
| 23:27.16 | tso | usb connected maybe? |
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| 23:27.24 | pupnik | usb or bluetooth |
| 23:27.45 | tso | still, that gp2x-f200 looks sexy. and by the looks of it comes with cave story installed?! |
| 23:28.31 | pupnik | Yes, i like it best of all the portable gaming platforms. |
| 23:28.59 | tso | i would go with usb if the port on the n800 is in the same place as the 770. especially if its a slide on design... |
| 23:29.18 | pupnik | However it has the same cpus as the f100, which means no full-speed Snes or PSX possible |
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| 23:30.08 | pupnik | I might build my own slide on case controller with the bluetooth gamepad that's sold for 30 euro. |
| 23:30.08 | tso | hmm, sad :( |
| 23:31.09 | tso | hmm, it looks like the F200 isnt that big a step up from the F100... |
| 23:31.30 | pupnik | yes |
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| 23:33.06 | tso | its mostly new color, screen (touch), image viewer, and redesigned dpad... |
| 23:34.33 | pupnik | i'm waiting until 2008 |
| 23:37.19 | tso | heh |
| 23:37.41 | tso | hmm, i wonder what people will pull of with "the bug"... |
| 23:37.51 | pupnik | ? |
| 23:38.03 | pupnik | what is the bug? |
| 23:38.04 | _Monkey | the bug is shitty |
| 23:40.21 | tso | http://buglabs.net/products |
| 23:40.49 | tso | it seems to feature a stronger cpu then the gp2x |
| 23:41.21 | tso | hmm, seems to be the same as the one in the n800... |
| 23:41.39 | tso | but there is no talk about the amount of ram... |
