| 00:00.12 | trevarthan | I come from FreeBSD, many years ago, so I'm used to it, I guess. |
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| 00:00.34 | lle2 | too bad I don't have any idea what distro would be any good, so debian it is for me. |
| 00:02.25 | trevarthan | I like maemo and fedora core. Not a big fan of debian, but I might like ubunto. |
| 00:02.35 | trevarthan | s/ubunto/ubuntu/ |
| 00:04.06 | lle2 | there was once a thing called ossi, way better than maemo. unfortunately it got overrun by a stampede of debian madness |
| 00:05.46 | lle2 | pretty close conceptually to being openembedded but using scratchbox to solve the cross-compilation business |
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| 00:06.37 | erstazi | trevarthan: Ubuntu is alright |
| 00:06.49 | erstazi | pupnik: that is what gentoo is! heh, educational |
| 00:07.56 | erstazi | lle2: what type of whiskey? |
| 00:07.59 | pupnik | the name ubuntu bothers me |
| 00:08.10 | erstazi | pupnik: heh |
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| 00:09.36 | lle2 | erstazi: the better part of Islay, pretty good stuff |
| 00:09.40 | trevarthan | yup, gentoo very educational. I still use it on my server and my desktop though. probably will until I can no longer upgrade critical stuff without installing 4^10 deps too. |
| 00:10.50 | trevarthan | it's already survived 2 fedora core revisions without a reinstall, and my packages are still rather current, so I've got no reason to change OSes. |
| 00:10.53 | erstazi | lle2: aye |
| 00:11.06 | trevarthan | I'd probably switch if they made a maemo server OS though. :) |
| 00:11.17 | erstazi | trevarthan: heh |
| 00:11.27 | milhouse | i switched from suse 10 server to ubuntu recently... suse was a pain in the arse at times |
| 00:12.05 | lle2 | debian is good, I don't expect it to be perfect and it mostly doesn't get in my way too bad |
| 00:12.06 | erstazi | milhouse: which ubuntu version do you run for server? |
| 00:12.08 | milhouse | ubuntu on the other hand... thumbs up :) |
| 00:12.11 | milhouse | feisty fawn |
| 00:12.32 | milhouse | it's actually the desktop version - the ubuntu server has no x :) |
| 00:12.37 | lle2 | ubuntu on the other hand wants to be perfect and fails, thus I don't like it that much |
| 00:12.39 | erstazi | milhouse: yeah, I used feisty fawn on a few developmental servers... its alright, some issues here and there with upgrades |
| 00:12.53 | erstazi | milhouse: thats what I thought you replaced suse10 server with |
| 00:13.02 | milhouse | i want both a workstation and something to run "server" type apps (apache, squid etc.) |
| 00:13.07 | erstazi | lle2: yeah, its no way perfect but decent for the new user to linux |
| 00:13.24 | erstazi | so far, I have kept using CentOS for my server |
| 00:13.37 | erstazi | they aim to be 100% binary compatible with red hat |
| 00:13.46 | milhouse | erstazi - no i switched from suse 10 server to ubuntu desktop... i did a trial install of ubuntu server only to discover it had no x server :) |
| 00:13.53 | erstazi | milhouse: ah |
| 00:14.06 | erstazi | dapper is nice, LTS! |
| 00:14.42 | erstazi | I would like to do some testing on Debian etch, haven't had the time to do so |
| 00:14.52 | lle2 | etch is brilliant |
| 00:14.53 | milhouse | i like ubuntu because getting it to work with a modern graphics driver is a damned sight easier than suse... with suse you have to recompile the kernel yourself etc. which was a pain i could do without |
| 00:15.05 | erstazi | milhouse: thats true |
| 00:15.07 | rhys | Zenwalk |
| 00:15.07 | milhouse | s/driver/card/ |
| 00:15.08 | rhys | Arch |
| 00:15.13 | erstazi | lle2: I might set some servers up to test it |
| 00:15.34 | milhouse | baryl/compiz is nice... compiz fusion should be better in the next gibbon release |
| 00:15.54 | lle2 | erstazi: last four installs I've done latest ubuntu failed totally on every one, etch just worked |
| 00:16.29 | lle2 | well, just worked being according to what I expect from debian |
| 00:16.31 | erstazi | milhouse: I don't care for those, I would just live with XFCE if I had to |
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| 00:17.13 | milhouse | i'm running some _really_ old crap (Tyan server motherboard with a pair of Slot 1 Pentium 3s...) which may explain why it worked without any problems (didn't like the built in sound card though - but then neither did SuSE) |
| 00:17.21 | erstazi | with GNOME, there are a few things I despise, changing the foreground color of a font in the panel requires me to go into a conf and change it... where as KDE or another DE, its a simple GUI change |
| 00:18.08 | erstazi | if you like bling bling DE's, try Enlightenment... its very flashy compared to default KDE even |
| 00:18.19 | milhouse | erstazi: I like a bit of bling... :) but it does chug a bit on my kit - the graphics card is an old GF2 |
| 00:18.45 | erstazi | milhouse: try elive's live cd sometime then |
| 00:18.57 | erstazi | its debian based as well |
| 00:18.58 | milhouse | i'll give it a go - what's the url? elive.org? |
| 00:19.06 | erstazi | mmm let me check |
| 00:19.21 | milhouse | nope, elive.org looks like a shop of some sort... |
| 00:19.30 | erstazi | http://elivecd.org |
| 00:19.31 | milhouse | elivecd.org maybe |
| 00:19.40 | erstazi | sorry |
| 00:19.45 | lle2 | so far I've not seen anything that would beat windowmaker for me |
| 00:19.55 | milhouse | np - i'll download it now and try it later in the week. thanks. |
| 00:20.24 | milhouse | hang on... is it free? |
| 00:20.41 | erstazi | of course |
| 00:20.48 | erstazi | its debian based |
| 00:20.50 | milhouse | hmmm... it's taking me to paypal |
| 00:20.54 | erstazi | no way! |
| 00:21.13 | milhouse | something about a donation... looks like i need to read the page :) |
| 00:21.29 | lle2 | money for nothing, bits for free |
| 00:21.39 | erstazi | milhouse: try the developmental version |
| 00:22.19 | milhouse | yeah, looks like the development version is free but the stable version requires a small donation |
| 00:22.26 | milhouse | development version for me then... :) |
| 00:22.29 | erstazi | milhouse: heh |
| 00:23.49 | erstazi | milhouse: I have tried a virtual machine of it, there are ways of making an ISO of that, but I find that against the philosophy |
| 00:25.17 | milhouse | is the development iso a live cd? |
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| 00:42.37 | erstazi | milhouse: I think, like I said, I only test in virtual machines... livecd's use up my cd and dvd's for backups (: |
| 00:42.59 | erstazi | milhouse: I have a few livecd's I use for installs |
| 00:43.09 | erstazi | but those are kept safely from damage |
| 00:47.26 | milhouse | erstazi: i've got an old machine i can try it in first |
| 00:47.57 | milhouse | and if that checks out, should monkey go "off the air" you'll know why... :) |
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| 00:53.44 | erstazi | milhouse: not _Monkey! |
| 00:53.46 | erstazi | heh |
| 00:54.13 | milhouse | it will only be temporary :) |
| 00:54.19 | erstazi | heh |
| 01:06.11 | trevarthan | gstreamer is a smoking pile of cow poo. |
| 01:06.15 | trevarthan | gstreamer? |
| 01:06.15 | _Monkey | well, gstreamer is a smoking pile of cow poo. |
| 01:06.18 | trevarthan | nice. |
| 01:06.23 | trevarthan | goodmonkey. |
| 01:06.24 | _Monkey | goodmonkey is a good _Monkey who gets a biscuit. |
| 01:07.18 | milhouse | what have they done to you monkey... i had such high hopes for you... now, gone. :( |
| 01:07.30 | milhouse | sob |
| 01:08.10 | milhouse | _monkey status |
| 01:08.10 | _Monkey | Since Sun Aug 26 16:20:02 2007, there have been 243 modifications and 55 questions. I have been awake for 2 days, 9 hours, 48 minutes, 7 seconds this session, and currently reference 4904 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode. |
| 01:08.23 | trevarthan | spank is what _Monkey does to milhouse when no-one is looking. |
| 01:08.25 | trevarthan | spank? |
| 01:08.26 | _Monkey | spank is what _Monkey does to milhouse when no-one is looking. |
| 01:08.31 | trevarthan | lol |
| 01:08.35 | milhouse | oh lord! :) |
| 01:08.43 | milhouse | who told you??? |
| 01:09.57 | trevarthan | your mom, of course. |
| 01:10.15 | trevarthan | I'd make a good bot. |
| 01:11.45 | trevarthan | the sad thing is that I'm perfectly sober.... |
| 01:12.10 | milhouse | my mom eh? thank goodness for that, thought it might have been my gimp. |
| 01:12.43 | trevarthan | nope. still soundly in the box |
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| 01:18.28 | Chilin700 | Evenin |
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| 01:38.18 | gidget | first time on here on the 770 |
| 01:38.33 | gidget | how about them apples |
| 01:38.39 | ekim\770 | xchat ? |
| 01:38.39 | _Monkey | somebody said xchat was a gtk-based IRC client. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/maemo-xchat/ |
| 01:38.50 | gidget | y |
| 01:39.01 | ekim\770 | gidget, can you do fullscreen on it |
| 01:39.09 | gidget | no |
| 01:39.19 | ekim\770 | me either |
| 01:39.24 | gidget | just trying to figure that |
| 01:39.28 | ekim\770 | I dunno why |
| 01:39.39 | gidget | others can? |
| 01:39.39 | ekim\770 | it bugs me |
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| 01:41.01 | gidget | go to view / layout and put it on tabs |
| 01:41.15 | gidget | that makes it a bit bigger |
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| 01:42.11 | ekim\770 | how do I install this , http://maemo.org/downloads/product/busybox/ |
| 01:42.21 | gidget | are you using a bt kb? |
| 01:42.28 | ekim\770 | no |
| 01:42.37 | gidget | ekim ^^ |
| 01:42.45 | ekim\770 | what? |
| 01:42.57 | gidget | ah, me either ;) |
| 01:43.14 | ekim\770 | the fullscreen keyboard works nicely |
| 01:43.20 | gidget | agreed |
| 01:43.53 | ekim\770 | not as nicely as a bluetooth keyboard though |
| 01:44.53 | gidget | depends on if 'nicely' means 'portable' or not |
| 01:45.06 | ekim\770 | does fceu have a gui ? |
| 01:45.30 | gidget | being able to stick this thing in my pocket is nicely for me |
| 01:45.46 | gidget | yeah its called xmaeme |
| 01:46.21 | gidget | gui for it and gba emultor and xmame |
| 01:46.32 | gidget | emulator/ |
| 01:47.12 | ekim\770 | where do I get it |
| 01:47.54 | ekim\770 | I have fceu installed |
| 01:48.03 | ekim\770 | but no gui |
| 01:50.13 | ekim\770 | anyone ? |
| 01:51.00 | ekim\770 | is there any way I can put my 770 in "sleep mode" |
| 01:51.03 | gidget | third result on google for 'xmaeme' |
| 01:51.10 | ekim\770 | is there any way I can put my 770 in "sleep mode" |
| 01:51.36 | gidget | put the cover on it. are you serious? |
| 01:52.38 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 01:52.43 | GeneralAntilles | Don't be mean, gidget. :P |
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| 01:53.36 | gidget | not trying to, just... |
| 01:55.39 | GeneralAntilles | So, a question for the group: |
| 01:55.45 | GeneralAntilles | I have 2 770s and an N800 |
| 01:56.06 | GeneralAntilles | 1 770 is on the couch and the other in the bedroom |
| 01:56.12 | GeneralAntilles | N800 is a pocket-traveler |
| 01:56.32 | GeneralAntilles | FBReader saves its state to an xml file |
| 01:56.48 | GeneralAntilles | I'd like to figure out a way to synchronize this state file over all devices |
| 01:57.00 | ekim\770 | hmm |
| 01:57.02 | GeneralAntilles | so FBReader will always have my place on whatever device I'm on. |
| 01:57.10 | GeneralAntilles | I figure rsync can pull this off |
| 01:57.13 | ekim\770 | well...it depends |
| 01:57.17 | ekim\770 | yeeah |
| 01:57.27 | ekim\770 | rdync and cron |
| 01:57.33 | ekim\770 | rsync |
| 01:57.34 | GeneralAntilles | But I'd need to work out some sort of wrapper that would pull the latest state file on launch |
| 01:57.39 | gidget | or a netcat shell script |
| 01:57.44 | ekim\770 | hmm |
| 01:57.48 | GeneralAntilles | Which, I imagine, is fairly easy to do |
| 01:57.59 | ekim\770 | i never understood netcat |
| 01:58.09 | ekim\770 | gotta look ito i |
| 01:58.11 | GeneralAntilles | But sending the updated file on exit seems like a bit more of a challenge |
| 01:58.33 | ekim\770 | not n exit.... |
| 01:58.45 | gidget | use perl to check access date on the file, then udp broadcast ;) |
| 01:58.49 | GeneralAntilles | Is there anyway for rsync to look at 3 files (1 local 2 network) and grab the one that's newest? |
| 01:58.58 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe, right. |
| 01:59.04 | ekim\770 | how do I install this , http://maemo.org/downloads/product/busybox/ |
| 01:59.16 | ekim\770 | or better |
| 01:59.23 | gidget | srry, don't know rsync |
| 01:59.27 | sp3000 | well you'd sync --update from/to bothe the others for pull/push |
| 01:59.58 | GeneralAntilles | Only problem with that is that the other devices would have to be on and connected to the network |
| 02:00.02 | ekim\770 | how do I get rd of bussybx comletrly and replace it wth basgh |
| 02:00.15 | ekim\770 | that is a problem |
| 02:00.33 | sp3000 | for doing things on startup, kinda yeah |
| 02:00.40 | sp3000 | (app startup esp) |
| 02:00.41 | ekim\770 | but seriously |
| 02:00.44 | GeneralAntilles | If I could push the state on exit |
| 02:00.46 | ekim\770 | how do I install this , http://maemo.org/downloads/product/busybox/ |
| 02:01.10 | gidget | spamming won't help ekim |
| 02:01.20 | ekim\770 | sorry |
| 02:01.33 | ekim\770 | stupid impatience |
| 02:01.59 | gidget | busybox is already installed |
| 02:02.07 | ekim\770 | i know |
| 02:02.18 | ekim\770 | this is a better version |
| 02:02.25 | ekim\770 | with more stuff |
| 02:03.11 | ekim\770 | surely someone has relaced bussybox with bash |
| 02:09.38 | derf | It actually turns out that replacing your shell is a Really Bad Idea. |
| 02:09.51 | derf | At least when I did it, it bricked the machine. |
| 02:10.55 | ekim\770 | so I can't upgrade busybox |
| 02:12.38 | ekim\770 | ahh man |
| 02:13.26 | ekim\770 | do any of you guys' 770's simply refuse to launch apps sometimes? |
| 02:13.44 | GeneralAntilles | Mine has been great since I bought it in November 2005 |
| 02:13.53 | ekim\770 | you click on it and nothing happens |
| 02:14.25 | ekim\770 | aww dang |
| 02:14.36 | ekim\770 | I gotta reboot |
| 02:14.39 | ekim\770 | brb |
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| 02:49.29 | ekim\770 | hi |
| 02:49.57 | ekim\770 | how can I get man ... |
| 02:50.17 | ekim\770 | im kinda lost without it |
| 02:57.41 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I never found out the answer to that on, ekim\770. |
| 02:57.46 | GeneralAntilles | SSH into a real machine? :P |
| 02:59.08 | GeneralAntilles | Actually, re that FBReader idea, would there be any way to symlink to a network drive? |
| 03:00.45 | ekim\770 | I wanna access it offline |
| 03:01.06 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, it was a joke suggestion. |
| 03:01.16 | ekim\770 | ohh |
| 03:01.24 | ekim\770 | I knew that |
| 03:01.42 | ekim\770 | so...how do I do it ? |
| 03:02.02 | GeneralAntilles | Not a clue. ;) |
| 03:02.25 | ekim\770 | :( |
| 03:11.54 | ekim\770 | going to bed , later guys |
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| 03:22.24 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:49.32 | erstazi | pupnik: ? |
| 03:50.01 | pupnik | keyboard does not like orange juice |
| 03:50.12 | pupnik | sticky keys |
| 03:54.09 | pskr | pupnik: I was able to build microb-engine on ARMEL. YOu know how I can run it/test it? |
| 03:54.44 | pupnik | nice... i don't know how to start it manually though |
| 03:57.33 | pskr | I saw in some chat logs you were talking about being able to run it. did you do apt-get install after building it? |
| 03:58.54 | pskr | can I do apt-get install with ARMEL packages and be able to see on maemo/Xephyr? |
| 03:59.30 | pskr | or do I need to use QEMU. How to start QEMU? [I have to read about it] |
| 03:59.56 | pupnik | i just hit the browser icon on the device and it started microb instead of opera |
| 04:00.25 | pupnik | you start xephyr in your host |
| 04:00.40 | pupnik | with ./start-xephyr.sh |
| 04:00.57 | pupnik | then in scratchbox (armel) you run af-sb-init.sh |
| 04:01.55 | pupnik | twhich starts the windowmanager |
| 04:02.54 | pskr | thanks. I am able to do all that. But after building microb-engine for ARMEL, did you do apt-get install? or what did you do? I am not able to see anything under the browser menu |
| 04:03.25 | pupnik | i didn't build it |
| 04:04.04 | pupnik | if you have a .deb package you can install with dpkg -i <package> |
| 04:05.57 | pskr | Oh.. I have microb-engine_1.0.3_13_armel.deb. I will try that. Thanks. |
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| 04:14.04 | pskr | pupnik:dpkg -i succedded [ I had to install multiple .debs to succeed though]. After that I restarted Xephyr. Still I did not see microb. Is it under web? |
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| 04:20.22 | pupnik | yeah should be |
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| 04:23.22 | pskr | :-( May be I will log out and logback in and try that. I could not stop scratchbox successfully. |
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| 05:02.06 | EnigmaCurry | What's the username/password for canola configuration? I don't remember ever setting one myself. |
| 05:08.23 | cesman | perhaps admin/password |
| 05:08.36 | cesman | it definely requires one to change it |
| 05:08.54 | cesman | or admin/admin |
| 05:11.11 | EnigmaCurry | neither of those work .. weird.. the "manual" videos show the configuration tool and it pops up without ever asking for a username/password |
| 05:12.17 | EnigmaCurry | I found the configuration file /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/schemas/apps/canola-conf/%gconf where I can set the IP and port for the server... no password option though |
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| 05:15.20 | EnigmaCurry | Ok, very interesting. I changed the port number in the above configuration file and it no longer asks for a password :) |
| 05:17.25 | pupnik | ah, gconf provides a config framework |
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| 06:04.38 | timelyx | lle2: should scratchbox have a component in bugs.maemo? |
| 06:06.36 | timelyx | milhouse: ok, cool |
| 06:07.03 | timelyx | milhouse: anyway, if you don't mind filing an invalid bug against yourself, where you |
| 06:07.15 | timelyx | detail how you figured it out, that'd be good |
| 06:08.54 | timelyx | milhouse: yeah, definitely not our fault, good job finding what the web page did :) |
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| 06:51.27 | timelyx | ok, i need someone who's alive to help me |
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| 07:01.58 | timelyx | indeed |
| 07:02.23 | timelyx | please join #pupnik |
| 07:04.19 | gidget | anyone else grow out their fingernails just to better type on the IT? |
| 07:04.34 | gidget | :) |
| 07:05.03 | gidget | well, thumbnails really |
| 07:05.37 | keesj | what do you use you thumbs for? |
| 07:05.50 | timelyx | i've always had mine slightly longer than most people |
| 07:06.01 | timelyx | it also helps if you need to open the back cover |
| 07:06.03 | timelyx | or the mmc slot |
| 07:06.13 | timelyx | basically nokia hardware design encourages it :) |
| 07:06.20 | keesj | :) |
| 07:06.27 | timelyx | but mostly, the nails make it possible to emulate stylus |
| 07:06.34 | timelyx | e.g. for use w/ vkb, not fkb |
| 07:07.12 | gidget | huh |
| 07:07.39 | gidget | both seem to work better with nails |
| 07:07.40 | keesj | I really only use my nails to open the menu-bar because I don't like the large icons |
| 07:08.02 | timelyx | both do, but, i tend to use vkb more than fkb |
| 07:08.17 | timelyx | do note that the iphone penalizes people w/ long fingernails (women) |
| 07:08.36 | keesj | and once I understood that the touch is averaged can can even type on the small keyboard with my hand without to much errors |
| 07:08.40 | gidget | wow, i have to hone my aim a bit more i guess |
| 07:09.38 | gidget | cant really use the vkb very well yet |
| 07:10.05 | gidget | are you guys typing all that on the vkb? |
| 07:12.23 | keesj | the n800 is just like me . it spends moost of it's time next to my computer |
| 07:12.31 | gidget | ha |
| 07:12.32 | pupnik | heh |
| 07:12.38 | pupnik | qotd |
| 07:13.42 | keesj | :P |
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| 07:14.33 | gidget | anyone here a gizmo project user? |
| 07:15.10 | gidget | i might say 'a successful' user? |
| 07:15.53 | gidget | cant quite decide how to use it since i discvered theres no bt headset support |
| 07:17.01 | gidget | which is why i bought the 770... |
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| 07:18.28 | gidget | i built a custom headset only to have the tablet arrive and not be able to use it |
| 07:18.31 | keesj | gidget: I made some calls with my girlfriend using gizmo and the 770 she was using a computer and using a headset |
| 07:19.07 | gidget | keesj, did you hold it up to your face? |
| 07:19.25 | gidget | or use earbuds |
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| 07:20.16 | keesj | I holded it to my head |
| 07:22.09 | gidget | thats how i do it too, but its hard to get the volume right |
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| 07:27.13 | timelE61i | well now, that was happy |
| 07:27.28 | timelE61i | my mac paniced in IOATA stuff |
| 07:28.26 | timelE61i | i have at times irc'd from my 770 |
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| 07:29.36 | timelyx | keesj =~ s/holded/held/ |
| 07:29.51 | Veggen | timel: I did for about a week, live with my N800 as my only computer. |
| 07:30.28 | timelyx | i'm seriously considering leaving my laptop at home when i take my european vacation in september |
| 07:31.25 | Veggen | hmm. I found my N770 to be perfect for travel where all you want is cheching your mail and travel information on the web. |
| 07:31.38 | Veggen | And Maemo mapper as a city map is quite usable. |
| 07:31.57 | timelyx | i' |
| 07:32.22 | timelyx | m more considering it because i'm going to italy and i'm not sure i want to have to worry about someone stealing a company laptop |
| 07:32.44 | Veggen | Italy is not *that* bad, actually. |
| 07:32.57 | timelyx | does anyone here have a list of all bugs that people had voted for in bugs.maemo.org? |
| 07:33.01 | timelyx | don't ask bugzilla *now* |
| 07:33.08 | timelyx | i need to know from before i reorganized |
| 07:38.06 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 07:38.49 | Jaffa | timelyx: no, as I got the mails saying my bugs had been de-voted, I just re-voted for them if they were still open & relevant. |
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| 07:44.22 | timelyx | Jaffa: yeah, well, i just voted on behalf of about 30 people |
| 07:44.53 | timelyx | this version of bugzilla doesn't seem to let me *see* a user's account activity log |
| 07:45.34 | timelyx | ok, i'm done stuffing the ballot box for bug 176 |
| 07:45.34 | _Monkey | Bug 176 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=176 |
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| 07:46.31 | pupnik | ty for doing it :) |
| 07:48.41 | timelyx | ok, done stuffing the very empty ballot box for 1654 |
| 07:48.59 | timelyx | anyone know which other ballot boxes got emptied? |
| 07:49.02 | timelyx | Jaffa: got a list? |
| 07:53.18 | Jaffa | timelyx: yeah, hang on let me check my gmail |
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| 07:55.03 | timelyx | ok, 1129 is the next one i get to restuff |
| 07:55.23 | Jaffa | timelyx: #472, 1210, 1209, 1228, 1129, 991, 257, 366 |
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| 08:07.28 | timelyx | ok, ballot box for 1235 restuffed |
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| 08:09.22 | timelyx | ok. i think i've stuffed all the boxes i can find |
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| 08:14.03 | timelyx | should i just brute force this? |
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| 08:16.37 | Jaffa | :) |
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| 08:17.53 | Silicium_ | hi there |
| 08:18.18 | Silicium_ | exist a solution to connect to the Internet via Bluetooth on a Windows Machine? |
| 08:18.29 | Silicium_ | for N800 |
| 08:23.43 | timelyx | damn |
| 08:23.49 | timelyx | google has decided i'm a bot |
| 08:25.39 | timelyx | Jaffa: wanna help? |
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| 08:27.28 | timelyx | #!/bin/perl |
| 08:27.28 | timelyx | $b=$ARGV[0];for ($a=$b; $a <= $b+75; ++$a) { `curl -o$a 'http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache%3Ahttps%3A//bugs.maemo.org/votes.cgi%3Faction%3Dshow_bug%26bug_id%3D$a&sourceid=mozilla2&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8'`;} |
| 08:27.45 | timelyx | seems i'm limited to 75 requests per <unknown interval> |
| 08:27.50 | timelyx | i've harvested the first 75 |
| 08:28.39 | timelyx | oh, no |
| 08:28.45 | timelyx | i got rejected a lot sooner |
| 08:28.57 | Veggen | Silicium: Not officially. |
| 08:29.24 | Veggen | Never tried it on the N800 (but on the 770), let me see if I can find a link. |
| 08:30.17 | timelyx | oh well |
| 08:31.10 | Silicium_ | ok, then i try via seriall interface |
| 08:31.11 | Silicium_ | over bt |
| 08:31.28 | Silicium_ | baybe i can code a gui application for that, asap |
| 08:31.33 | Silicium_ | thanks for help |
| 08:32.51 | Veggen | the posts following http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=52174#post52174 har some info. |
| 08:33.13 | Silicium_ | thanks |
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| 08:36.20 | Silicium_ | and for USB Host on N800 exist any usable hacks? |
| 08:36.28 | Silicium_ | whitout soldering |
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| 08:39.23 | AD-N770 | good morning |
| 08:40.09 | Veggen | Silicium: Nope, not yet at least. |
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| 08:43.19 | Silicium_ | ok |
| 08:43.39 | Silicium_ | and the final question: |
| 08:43.47 | Silicium_ | exist any images for maemo 4? |
| 08:44.02 | Veggen | not as far as I know. |
| 08:44.10 | Silicium_ | ok |
| 08:44.17 | timelyx | what do you mean? |
| 08:44.35 | Silicium_ | anyway |
| 08:44.41 | Silicium_ | then i install via chroot |
| 08:44.56 | Silicium_ | i think this can be a lot of fun on a sd card := |
| 08:44.57 | Silicium_ | :) |
| 08:46.08 | lle2 | timelyx: no idea, for sb2 I certainly will not be tracking anything other than bugs.fdo |
| 08:46.42 | timelyx | lle2: problem is that a bunch of scratchbox bugs exist in bugs.maemo |
| 08:46.51 | timelyx | i can move them to Misdirected:Upstream |
| 08:47.14 | lle2 | timelyx: just move them to Misdirected:devnull |
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| 08:48.08 | lle2 | timelyx: you have to ask somebody who deals with sb1, I couldn't care less |
| 08:50.56 | lle2 | yay, NokiaCare EMEA responded by saying that skype is a third party software and that I should contact them with the skype problem |
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| 08:52.53 | onion | anyone else had the problem with the 770 that if it dies with battery low, and you try to power it up/charge it goes into a reboot loop and only a reflash fixes it ? |
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| 08:56.59 | timelyx | lle2: well, that's at least not bad for a response time :) |
| 08:57.02 | pupnik | i'm surprised we don't see more asian 770/N800 users |
| 08:57.09 | timelyx | pupnik: why? |
| 08:57.11 | timelyx | we dpm |
| 08:57.14 | timelyx | we don't have fonts |
| 08:57.23 | timelyx | the web browser for the device doesn't support their encodings |
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| 08:57.28 | timelyx | and we don't have an input method editor |
| 08:57.29 | pupnik | bleh |
| 08:57.34 | timelyx | exactly why would you expect to see them? |
| 08:57.39 | timelyx | note: we=maemo |
| 08:57.49 | timelyx | that's not to say that nokia does or doesn't have some or all of those pieces |
| 08:58.03 | timelyx | although in all likelihood they aren't ready |
| 08:58.07 | pupnik | i'd have hoped the unique features (linux + 800x480) and great euro-design would have found more adherents |
| 08:58.10 | pupnik | they love BMWs too |
| 08:58.20 | timelyx | china already has a knock off |
| 08:58.28 | timelyx | not sure how well it's selling |
| 08:58.28 | pupnik | ah |
| 08:58.41 | timelyx | but see... bmw's don't have much text |
| 08:58.45 | timelyx | and don't need to show newspapers |
| 08:59.15 | timelyx | (and they probably come w/ manuals in at least mandarin and cantonese) |
| 08:59.26 | pupnik | good points |
| 08:59.59 | pupnik | i think the zaurus did ok in japan |
| 09:00.07 | gla55_ | asians have zauruses still don't they? |
| 09:00.12 | lle2 | it takes some time before people start wanting to spend $400 on top of the $40 mobile phone for an accessory |
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| 09:00.41 | timelyx | the phone also speaks chinese |
| 09:00.49 | timelyx | in the case of japanese, the phone has a good web browser too |
| 09:00.59 | timelyx | which really defeats the point of our device |
| 09:01.08 | lle2 | but maemo is not about the device |
| 09:01.15 | timelyx | oh, iirc it also has a decent chat client |
| 09:01.30 | timelyx | lle2: it's about a platform that isn't usable in asia :) |
| 09:01.46 | timelyx | competing w/ phones that work nicely in asia and have much better feature sets |
| 09:01.51 | lle2 | yeah, but platforms are for devices, it can't be a platform either |
| 09:02.06 | timelyx | the asian phone market is something like 5 years ahead of the rest of the world |
| 09:02.12 | gla55_ | on some stuff |
| 09:02.25 | gla55_ | in some ways the phones are on the same level as top end europeans |
| 09:02.37 | gla55_ | but the network/service integration is higher |
| 09:02.42 | timelyx | right |
| 09:02.48 | lle2 | who cares, they are all flip phones, no use |
| 09:03.04 | timelyx | spoken by a true nokian |
| 09:03.12 | lle2 | :D |
| 09:03.15 | timelyx | or finn, whichever |
| 09:03.19 | lle2 | the same |
| 09:03.19 | pupnik | what's bad about flip? |
| 09:03.20 | timelyx | pick all that apply |
| 09:03.25 | gla55_ | i hate flips too |
| 09:03.26 | gla55_ | heh |
| 09:03.30 | gla55_ | sliders are somewhat ok |
| 09:03.40 | timelyx | pupnik: there's a quote by some nokian saying something like "we will never build a flip phone" |
| 09:03.49 | timelyx | i can't remember if the guy got axed |
| 09:03.58 | gla55_ | timelyx: iirc by that time they already had one in their history though |
| 09:04.00 | timelyx | high manager, stupid opinion |
| 09:04.12 | pupnik | i am really uninformed about phones, so it was a naive honest question |
| 09:04.13 | timelyx | gla55_: probably, doesn't really matter |
| 09:04.21 | gla55_ | nope |
| 09:04.33 | timelyx | pupnik: i hope you didn't think we objected to your question |
| 09:04.39 | gla55_ | ok the thing i don't like about flips is that the screen is further away from the kb |
| 09:04.49 | timelyx | personally i don't see that as a disadvantage |
| 09:05.02 | lle2 | moving parts |
| 09:05.03 | timelyx | and t9 users wouldn't either |
| 09:05.03 | pupnik | so it's mostly a style issue? |
| 09:05.05 | lle2 | they break |
| 09:05.06 | gla55_ | and usually, the phone could have just as well been the same size as the flip closed |
| 09:05.25 | pupnik | flip buys you button+screen real estate |
| 09:05.34 | timelyx | lle2: you prefer the communicator series? |
| 09:05.37 | lle2 | solid chunk of steel would be my preferred form factor |
| 09:05.44 | timelyx | my hinge failed, the cover failed, and something else did too |
| 09:05.53 | gla55_ | pupnik: most flips don't use it |
| 09:05.53 | timelyx | oh, i almost lost the keypad once on the tube in london :) |
| 09:06.21 | timelyx | yeah, gla55_ is right |
| 09:06.29 | gla55_ | they're flips just for style |
| 09:06.32 | timelyx | flips tend to have the screen well inset by maybe 2cm |
| 09:06.38 | pupnik | i have had 4 different phones, all bought by either employers or girlfriends :P |
| 09:06.54 | timelyx | how did you manage to get a gf to buy you a phone? |
| 09:07.06 | pupnik | i refused to buy one, so she did to keep me on a leash |
| 09:07.28 | pupnik | ... just like my employers! |
| 09:08.04 | lardman | kulve: ping |
| 09:09.00 | gla55_ | i got maybe 8 phones here now and loaned 3 phones to friends |
| 09:09.12 | gla55_ | but then again i do symbian dev |
| 09:09.32 | lle2 | developing some sort of clustering software? |
| 09:10.01 | gla55_ | nope, they all just have different bugs |
| 09:10.24 | timelyx | pupnik: wow. did she pay for the bill too? |
| 09:10.51 | timelyx | lle2: we have people in OSSO w/ phone collections, mostly for BT interop |
| 09:11.52 | pupnik | yeah |
| 09:12.00 | lle2 | timelyx: true, I tend to just feed the phones to friends and family. depending on the model. |
| 09:12.15 | timelyx | lle2: i don't have any phones my family would want |
| 09:12.29 | timelyx | my parents don't have cell phones and my sister had an LG flip |
| 09:12.31 | lle2 | timelyx: that has been the problem lately |
| 09:12.42 | timelyx | i think she considered changing phones recently |
| 09:12.50 | timelyx | but really, any phone will work for her |
| 09:13.01 | timelyx | anyway, the big win for flip phones is a good keyguard |
| 09:13.08 | timelyx | you won't accidentally dial someone w/ one |
| 09:13.10 | lle2 | overrated |
| 09:13.17 | timelyx | you won't ruin your display |
| 09:13.52 | timelyx | and you can easily unlock (well, ignoring nokia flips) |
| 09:13.52 | lle2 | at least the samsung fliphone would start recording videos in my pocket instead |
| 09:13.59 | lle2 | almost as annoying |
| 09:14.08 | pupnik | i have trouble with multitap sms-ing with numeric pad |
| 09:14.09 | timelyx | well, my e61i will try to record my conversations for me |
| 09:14.18 | timelyx | and it's not a flip |
| 09:15.02 | lle2 | pupnik: really depends on the keypad, I had forgotten how good it could be until I was forced to use this old 6230i |
| 09:15.11 | lle2 | software needs to be fast as well |
| 09:15.32 | timelyx | i'm amazed at how easily i can use t9 on phone |
| 09:15.34 | timelyx | s |
| 09:15.52 | timelyx | i haven't used a t9 phone of my own since i came to nokia |
| 09:16.14 | timelyx | but when i was in london i helped a guy write an sms using his t9 enabled phone |
| 09:16.36 | lle2 | you end up adjusting your vocabulary, I hate that |
| 09:16.48 | gla55_ | i don't use t9.. mostly because i find a pain in the ass to change between english/finnish |
| 09:17.00 | gla55_ | and i'm fast enough with 9pad |
| 09:17.13 | gla55_ | enough mobile irc |
| 09:17.31 | pupnik | you're on a mobile now gla55_ ? |
| 09:17.42 | gla55_ | nah not now |
| 09:18.34 | lle2 | timelyx: the topic on this channel is not adhering to Maemo Convention, specifically the section concerning devices |
| 09:19.09 | timelyx | the topic doesn't seem to mention devices |
| 09:19.33 | lle2 | it says Nokia Internet Tablets, that's a reference to a physical product, isn't it? |
| 09:20.14 | timelyx | 12:19 Server Mode for channel #maemo is ³+nc² |
| 09:20.32 | timelyx | nothing's (+t) stopping you from changing it |
| 09:21.08 | lle2 | I'm afraid my judgement cannot be relied upon in Maemo matters |
| 09:21.50 | timelyx | lle2: find a specific citation, paste the url, change the topic |
| 09:22.04 | lle2 | ok |
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| 09:24.53 | timelyx | i don't want to sound more authoritative than you feel. |
| 09:25.03 | timelyx | i usually ask someone to confirm before i do things |
| 09:25.12 | timelyx | otherwise i include a disclaimer (8/ has at least one disclaimer) |
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| 09:31.58 | lardman | Interesting, the DSP is bigendian, but the dspgateway swaps the endianness of 16bit chunks (for convenience), resulting in the odd endianness of 32bit data |
| 09:32.11 | lardman | that explains a lot |
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| 09:47.08 | timelyx | heh |
| 09:56.35 | timelyx | hrm, "oops" |
| 09:56.37 | timelyx | so, um |
| 09:56.58 | timelyx | the reorg wiki says i was supposed to replace ARM w/ 770/N800 |
| 09:57.46 | pupnik | at my job i generally don't ask 'may I do this?' |
| 09:58.01 | pupnik | that ends-up setting up unnecessary debates |
| 09:58.48 | timelyx | i understand |
| 09:58.54 | lle2 | couldn't find anything usable :( |
| 09:59.03 | timelyx | but i generally end up in a position where i'm not the despot |
| 09:59.11 | timelyx | merely someone who has been given some privs and no clear mandate |
| 09:59.26 | timelyx | which means i can get tarred and feathered by the masses if i don't walk a tight rope |
| 09:59.29 | lle2 | too bad, detaching comments from their context normally does the trick, but not now |
| 09:59.45 | pupnik | oh yeah, the larger the company the more important knowing your place is |
| 09:59.59 | lle2 | not so sure about that |
| 10:00.22 | lle2 | if the community is big and strong it can take some beating, small communities need to be protected |
| 10:00.34 | timelyx | this community is currently too small |
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| 10:00.44 | pupnik | agree with that :) |
| 10:00.44 | timelyx | but even in morg, i am stuck in a similar role |
| 10:00.59 | timelyx | ok |
| 10:01.09 | timelyx | my math says that most arm bugs were filed against 770s |
| 10:01.26 | lle2 | arm bugs? |
| 10:01.46 | lle2 | somebody is filing bugs with the arm core to maemo.org bugzilla? |
| 10:01.55 | timelyx | https://bugs.maemo.org/report.cgi?x_axis_field=version&y_axis_field=rep_platform&z_axis_field=&query_format=report-table&format=table&action=wrap |
| 10:02.21 | timelyx | btw, that link will be valid for um, not very long :) |
| 10:03.03 | lle2 | hmph, those are not arm bugs |
| 10:03.16 | lle2 | for a moment you got me interested |
| 10:03.28 | timelyx | heh |
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| 10:04.03 | timelyx | sorry |
| 10:07.08 | timelyx | oh well, that change will look really confused |
| 10:07.12 | timelyx | sorry all :) |
| 10:09.41 | florian | hi all |
| 10:12.28 | cosmo | hm.. what's the difference between arm and armel targets in scratchbox? |
| 10:12.56 | timelyx | arm is 770 itos2005 |
| 10:13.07 | timelyx | armel is 770 itos2006,itos2007, n800 |
| 10:13.12 | timelyx | armel is a different abi |
| 10:14.04 | timelyx | lle2: silly question |
| 10:14.16 | timelyx | should the OS be listed as maemo (not an OS) or IT OS? |
| 10:14.20 | timelyx | (in bugs.maemo) |
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| 10:14.47 | timelyx | heh, i suspect quim gets the most mail from this |
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| 10:17.09 | timelyx | sp3000: did you drown? :) |
| 10:18.21 | cosmo | timelyx: thanks |
| 10:19.23 | sp3000 | nah |
| 10:19.26 | sp3000 | spam harder! |
| 10:21.06 | timelyx | cosmo: how bad was your mail load? :( |
| 10:25.24 | timelyx | Mischief managed. |
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| 10:30.40 | jtukkine | bugs.maemo.org just made its record of sending emails, i suppose ;) |
| 10:31.16 | jtukkine | and "hello world" to everyone, been impolitely too quite for some days already |
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| 10:36.00 | amr | why wont canola scan my mmc? i click 'rescan' on the applet on home |
| 10:36.05 | amr | and its just displaying wait |
| 10:36.10 | amr | i cant even get into 'configure canola' |
| 10:36.18 | amr | it runs but just displays my library as empty |
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| 10:42.46 | pupnik | can you browse the mmc with the file browser? |
| 10:43.00 | MoRpHeUz | pupnik: got the words out of my mouth =) |
| 10:43.06 | amr | yes |
| 10:44.21 | pupnik | i don't know canola. perhaps you can try with different music files |
| 10:44.58 | MoRpHeUz | amr: are they all mp3 ? |
| 10:44.58 | konttori_ | timelyx: nice bug sheet. looks quite informative. |
| 10:45.08 | amr | yes |
| 10:45.10 | amr | its worked before |
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| 10:45.16 | latzko | hi |
| 10:45.16 | MoRpHeUz | timelyx: btw, good job with bugzilla =) |
| 10:45.19 | amr | then i installed ukmp and kagu which didnt work |
| 10:45.26 | amr | so i installed canola again, now that isnt working |
| 10:45.40 | MoRpHeUz | amr: did you reboot the device as they ask for ? |
| 10:45.44 | amr | i cant even access localhost:9000 |
| 10:45.45 | amr | yes |
| 10:45.49 | amr | ive rebooted several times |
| 10:46.55 | konttori_ | amr: I would make a wild guess that there is some seriously corrupted mp3 that crashes all of those players. |
| 10:46.59 | latzko | can I put a backround image on a home applet's frame? I'm trying bg_pixmap of widget style but I can't succeed |
| 10:48.01 | amr | konttori_, i havent changed my mp3s since i last used canola |
| 10:48.09 | amr | nothing changed |
| 10:48.26 | konttori_ | can you open ukmp in xterm? |
| 10:48.29 | pupnik | apparently something has changed, but the question is what |
| 10:48.31 | konttori_ | that might help me help you |
| 10:48.53 | pupnik | i don't know latzko - perhaps you can email the guys who made their own themes |
| 10:49.00 | konttori_ | try opening ukmp there and have a look at the error |
| 10:49.09 | amr | ive removed ukmp now |
| 10:49.18 | amr | ill probably just wipe the mmc |
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| 10:50.51 | MoRpHeUz | amr: do you have another mmc to try ? |
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| 10:55.45 | pupnik | the command-line wants to help |
| 10:58.45 | amr | MoRpHeUz, yeah but its mmc-mobile and my card reader doesnt like it so its empty |
| 10:59.07 | MoRpHeUz | hhmm |
| 11:02.03 | Veggen | It's not-so-difficult to compile a fsck.vfat under scratchbox. |
| 11:02.21 | Veggen | So you can fsck from the device itself. |
| 11:02.47 | Veggen | Done it, can't find the binary, and my scratchbox-installation is on a currently broken laptop ;) |
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| 11:10.48 | konttori_ | so, what's the difference between ovi and mosh? |
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| 11:13.26 | konttori_ | Is it so that mosh is the free content section and ovi is only for paid content? |
| 11:15.29 | konttori_ | Heh. Nokia n81 is 'ngage compatible' - like hell no. You can't play games with that dpad ;) http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/10/nokia-n81-and-n82-come-to-light/ |
| 11:16.39 | pupnik | unfortunately these dpads don't get slammed as much as they should because reviewers don't use heavily before writing about em (imo) |
| 11:16.42 | konttori_ | OTOH: if those buttons on the top (slash right considering landscape or portrait mode) http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/nokia-n81-shown-up-close-and-personal/ actually are buttons, then at least it seems that it's easy to press those. Kudos for the designers of those buttons |
| 11:17.38 | konttori_ | yeah, they are definitely buttons. very cool. I hope next internet tablet will have the same button configuration |
| 11:18.30 | pupnik | looks nice though |
| 11:18.32 | konttori_ | now, if only the dpad works, then that's a really cool concept |
| 11:18.44 | kulve | lardman: pong |
| 11:19.10 | pupnik | konttori_: i think that's going to be pretty popular - what's the res on the screen? |
| 11:19.13 | konttori_ | having tested n95 myself, I can positively say that that won't work for games. |
| 11:19.20 | pupnik | hmm |
| 11:19.37 | pupnik | you know this dpad already? |
| 11:19.51 | konttori_ | 640x240 maybe. |
| 11:19.59 | konttori_ | it's probably the same as n95 |
| 11:20.16 | pupnik | ok |
| 11:22.08 | konttori_ | at least it seems that nokia is on the right track on the game pricing. 6-10 euros is pretty much the sweetspot for casual games. |
| 11:22.24 | konttori_ | that might actually make the attempt worthwhile |
| 11:23.44 | konttori_ | I can see briliant future for picodrive and vsun on that device |
| 11:23.49 | konttori_ | well, platform |
| 11:25.56 | pupnik | i've been brainwashing myself to accept righthandside onscreen buttons |
| 11:26.16 | pupnik | "onscreen is ok" "onscreen is ok" |
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| 11:34.03 | sp3000 | hmm |
| 11:34.16 | sp3000 | so maemo.org/lxr is no more? |
| 11:36.27 | sp3000 | meh, it's "assigned" |
| 11:37.48 | konttori_ | pupnik: do you have the side buttons on some emu already? Do they work? |
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| 11:38.16 | pupnik | yes tak has them on fceu and i've got them on UQM |
| 11:38.21 | pupnik | work pretty well in 24fps combat |
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| 11:53.04 | konttori_ | ahh.. great stuff. Have you done anything to your dpad? |
| 11:53.59 | konttori_ | I tested adding a glued layer on top of the rectangle part of the dpad to rais the rectangle around the middle button to over the middle button. After that, the dpad works relatively well. |
| 11:54.28 | konttori_ | You can actually control the dpad without moving your finger to change direction |
| 11:55.06 | konttori_ | So, I think that the easiest way to improve the dpad substancially would be to lower the middle button (or - better yet - move it to the right side like in n81) |
| 11:55.51 | konttori_ | DOes it work well in fceu? I might be tempted to try it |
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| 12:00.13 | Veggen | Hmm. I did try one of those emulators.. |
| 12:01.01 | Veggen | downloaded a game. came nearly to the end. Then, I discovered I needed to support the game engines "punch" command, and the UI had no way to signal it. |
| 12:01.07 | Veggen | mrf ;) |
| 12:02.46 | Veggen | (ScummVM, was the emulator) |
| 12:03.07 | gla55_ | indiana jones or what |
| 12:03.28 | Veggen | yah, something like it. |
| 12:08.14 | Mikho | you came nearly to the end without needing punch once? |
| 12:08.38 | gla55_ | wasnt the fighting in a castle or somewhere midways |
| 12:09.21 | Mikho | that was the third indy I believe |
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| 12:13.28 | gla55_ | well there werent scumm games of the first two iirc |
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| 12:14.01 | Mikho | hmm, I should have said that it was the game from the third indy movie |
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| 12:20.09 | konttori | Hey, maybe someone should configure side buttons to the scummvm. |
| 12:20.24 | konttori | they might also be game dependend. |
| 12:20.50 | pupnik | buttons for scummvm? i don't know of games that want it |
| 12:21.12 | pupnik | newest scummvm also has a vkbd |
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| 12:21.31 | pupnik | buttons for scummvm? |
| 12:21.58 | konttori_ | yeah. I mean, e.g. right mouse button would be my first choice. |
| 12:21.58 | gla55_ | you need buttos for fighting in some |
| 12:22.14 | gla55_ | and also i think for that driving thing in sam'n'max? |
| 12:22.31 | konttori_ | even though right button is some times mapped to some HW button, it would be easier for n00bs to see that there is onscreen right MB as well |
| 12:24.09 | pupnik | do either of you have an idea why xkbd isn't sending key events to fullscreen sdl apps? |
| 12:24.17 | konttori_ | anyway, might be relatively easy to add (don't really know if it's hard or not). Just process mouse events and consume them in the 'button manager' if they have something to do with mouse area outside the emulator screen |
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| 12:24.49 | pupnik | it's fairly easy to add onscreen buttons in sdl |
| 12:26.23 | pupnik | konttori_: do you want to add a post to ITT mentioning this? i think fanoush did the latest version (not sure) |
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| 13:12.21 | sp3000 | hmm |
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| 13:13.23 | LrdGrmRpr | Hi guys, just a quick question about updating the N800 |
| 13:13.44 | LrdGrmRpr | I have a hardware revision 1201 device, so the flasher utility won't allow the update |
| 13:14.32 | LrdGrmRpr | There is a parameter called --set-hw-revision, but I haven't managed to get the firmware to update regardless |
| 13:15.21 | sp3000 | timeless: does planet belong in web / news? |
| 13:15.27 | sp3000 | or geenral? |
| 13:15.40 | sp3000 | this one planet bug was sitting in news |
| 13:15.54 | sp3000 | which sounds like a fair combination |
| 13:16.04 | LrdGrmRpr | If anyone could help me with this issue, I'd be most grateful, since after some googling and trying, I'm basically nowhere |
| 13:16.05 | sp3000 | if so the component desc should mention planet |
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| 13:33.46 | Jaffa | sp3000: Planet sits under the "News" menu, so makes sense for Bugzilla to follow that |
| 13:34.37 | lle2 | Bad News, maybe? |
| 13:36.13 | sp3000 | which reminds me, wth is up with the shotgun font sizes on http://maemo.org/news/ |
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| 14:29.43 | timeless | does anyone here know anything about planet.maemo? |
| 14:29.48 | timeless | specifically, are there archives? |
| 14:29.56 | timeless | i want t o know which articles have "fav"s and how many |
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| 15:04.37 | Robot101 | how do I get the glib messages from stuff on the device, I've installed syslog but it's not making a file... |
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| 15:11.38 | timeless | robot101: usually the simplest way is to ssh to the device (from xterm in device or remote, whatever) |
| 15:11.43 | timeless | and run programs from that xterm |
| 15:13.49 | timeless | glib complaints go to stderr typically iirc |
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| 15:28.33 | disq | funny thing? |
| 15:28.39 | disq | _Monkey: hi |
| 15:28.40 | _Monkey | niihau, disq |
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| 15:32.03 | gpd | I think I may have lost my grey leather case for the N800 :( |
| 15:32.31 | gpd | and there are no signs of replacements online |
| 15:32.41 | gpd | even this one is not in stock: http://europe.nokia.com/n800case |
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| 15:34.17 | lardman | Can anyone point me to an implementation of a circular buffer than needs to be shared between two threads/processes, etc.? I'm wondering what the best way is |
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| 15:35.14 | cwong1 | anyone from here knows the internal the libhildon? |
| 15:37.55 | Robot101 | where do all my glib messages go? gahrgahg |
| 15:38.24 | celesteh_rules | do glib messages and witty messages get stored separately? (sorry) |
| 15:44.38 | sp3000 | lardman: man pipe? |
| 15:45.17 | sp3000 | that sounds dirty, I'm not sure how yet |
| 15:47.56 | lardman | sp3000: Yeah, I actually need to implement a shared memory buffer though, and am trying to work out how to not have to lock it too often |
| 15:48.27 | milhouse | i see Nokia have just launched a music store with "unlimited streaming" (in addition to buying tracks)... a non-US replacement for Rhapsody perhaps? |
| 15:51.02 | cwong1 | tko: ping |
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| 15:59.48 | milhouse | 10EUR/month for full track streaming.... replace Rhapsody with the Nokia store and I'm sold. |
| 16:00.05 | milhouse | Press Release: http://ovi.nokia.com/ovi/flash/assets/pdf/1_MeetOvi_Umbrella.pdf |
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| 16:19.51 | roope | Avaa Ovi. |
| 16:20.31 | milhouse | Let's hope we get some Ovi love on Internet Tablets :) |
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| 16:28.31 | zoyd_ | hi |
| 16:28.32 | _Monkey | hi, zoyd_ |
| 16:29.50 | zoyd_ | does anyone know of a tool that does image/key map that can be useful for xoo? |
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| 16:55.22 | Tak | anybody using vala? |
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| 16:57.11 | milhouse | Nokia demoed a iPhone-clone phone interface today... video here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFKyAMQPbmI |
| 16:57.20 | milhouse | interesting... |
| 16:58.08 | Tak | ( http://live.gnome.org/Vala ) |
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| 17:02.20 | gla55_ | well anything touchscreen is is iphone clone now.. |
| 17:03.28 | milhouse | that ui is a bit of a rip off (not that i'm complaining, if it's good copy it) |
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| 17:44.15 | Blacksitox | hi |
| 17:44.15 | _Monkey | privet, Blacksitox |
| 17:44.27 | Blacksitox | hey _Monkey |
| 17:44.28 | _Monkey | i am the best programmer in the whole freenode IRC right now |
| 17:44.49 | Tak | :-( |
| 17:45.27 | timeless | cwong1: if necessary, i can read it |
| 17:46.54 | timeless | sp3000: it occurs to me that we should probably stick captions onto the party pictures |
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| 17:50.05 | erstazi | Tak: it could be worse, you could be an ant-eater. |
| 17:50.27 | Tak | why would that be worse? |
| 17:50.57 | erstazi | because you would be sucking all day.. |
| 17:50.58 | erstazi | I don't know |
| 17:57.17 | Tak | if I had a tongue like an anteater's, I'd be a hit with the ladies |
| 18:03.50 | ||cw | anteaters don't suck, they lick |
| 18:03.55 | erstazi | Tak: heh |
| 18:04.00 | erstazi | ||cw: it was a joke |
| 18:15.00 | WhisperingVoices | Anyone here have a Nokia n800 can help me with a memory card question? |
| 18:15.19 | Tak | WhisperingVoices: what's the question? |
| 18:15.19 | _Monkey | rumour has it the question is whether you can mask it well enough that they wouldnt notice |
| 18:15.38 | WhisperingVoices | I ordered my Nokia with an MU-37 memory card, but I can't for the life of me work out where it goes. |
| 18:15.47 | WhisperingVoices | It's too small to fit in the slot under the back cover. |
| 18:16.22 | Tak | WhisperingVoices: did the card come with an adapter? |
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| 18:16.49 | Tak | actually, the N800 should have come with a microSD card and an adapter |
| 18:16.52 | WhisperingVoices | aye |
| 18:17.02 | WhisperingVoices | it came with a card, I ordered a second because it advertised two slots |
| 18:17.34 | WhisperingVoices | the card it came with is happily inside the N800, and works. This second card I ordered (listed as compatible on the Nokia website) is inside it's adaptor but it's still too small to fit anywhere. It's a MicroSD one |
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| 18:18.22 | mgedmin | perhaps it has a microSD -> miniSD adapter? |
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| 18:19.01 | WhisperingVoices | not that came in the N800 box or even the memory card's box |
| 18:19.38 | Tak | what you're apparently lacking is a microSD -> SD adapter |
| 18:21.48 | WhisperingVoices | hmm |
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| 18:22.31 | WhisperingVoices | heh I can't even get the battery back out to check for a slot under that |
| 18:24.16 | Tak | there's no slot under the battery |
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| 18:24.36 | Tak | there's no microSD slot at all, only two fullsize SD slots |
| 18:24.53 | timeless | yeah, it's an interesting "Feature" |
| 18:25.01 | timeless | you get one mini=>sd adapter |
| 18:25.13 | timeless | but if you buy 2 nokia micro's, you get 2 micr=>mini adapters |
| 18:25.19 | timeless | and are short one mini=>Sd |
| 18:25.35 | timeless | there are micro=>sd adapters available in some places |
| 18:25.40 | WhisperingVoices | Ugh |
| 18:25.55 | timeless | got a url for the adapter product? |
| 18:26.04 | timeless | i'll gladly complain to nokia for you if you don't want it |
| 18:26.09 | timeless | s/it/to do / |
| 18:26.13 | timeless | s/it/to do it/ |
| 18:26.14 | WhisperingVoices | http://europe.nokia.com/search4/index.jsp?wsid=8&charset=ISO-8859-1&qt=mu37&GO.x=0&GO.y=0&GO=GO |
| 18:26.21 | timeless | but, it'd be better if you did it |
| 18:26.23 | Tak | hah, nice |
| 18:26.27 | WhisperingVoices | this is what I got |
| 18:26.46 | WhisperingVoices | because it was advertised as compatible on the Nokia website, and I thought more memory never hurt anyone |
| 18:27.16 | timeless | http://europe.nokia.com/A4397345 |
| 18:27.30 | timeless | i don't see n800 listed there oddly |
| 18:27.43 | timeless | it does clearly say: |
| 18:27.44 | timeless | Requires miniSD adapter, included in MU-37 sales package. |
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| 18:27.53 | timeless | so, i think, unfortunately, you can't really complain |
| 18:28.06 | WhisperingVoices | well there was no way I would have randomly ordered it. Let me check |
| 18:28.26 | timeless | i ordered 4 or so of those |
| 18:28.39 | timeless | but in my case, we have lots of devices, so i just took extra adapters |
| 18:28.43 | timeless | and then people took my cards |
| 18:28.49 | Tak | s/(\w+)h.*\s(\w{2})../We are the knights who say \2! \2! \2! \1\1\1\1\1\1!/ |
| 18:29.00 | timeless | so i was left w/ older 1g cards from my 770 work |
| 18:29.06 | Tak | :-( |
| 18:29.21 | timeless | actually, at this point, i don't know where any of my cards are |
| 18:29.29 | timeless | i think i lost most or all of them |
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| 18:29.44 | timeless | i'm fairly certain coworkers took most of the 2g ones |
| 18:30.46 | WhisperingVoices | okay |
| 18:30.59 | WhisperingVoices | if you go to the Nokia page and make as if to order the N800 it brings up a list of compatible products |
| 18:31.11 | WhisperingVoices | That particular SD is amongst htem |
| 18:31.17 | WhisperingVoices | *them, apologies for bad typing. |
| 18:31.31 | timeless | that's fine, atm, my typing is worse |
| 18:31.39 | pskr | timeless: I was able to build microb yesterday, but I am not able to run. http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/2007-August/011509.html has more details. |
| 18:32.11 | WhisperingVoices | I'll try and call Nokia's careline |
| 18:32.17 | WhisperingVoices | thanks for your help, Timeless |
| 18:32.36 | timeless | thanks for complaining, it really is bad when that site is messed up |
| 18:32.44 | timeless | which unfortunately ime has been almost always |
| 18:32.56 | timeless | i have about 6 pages printed showing the mistakes they had for the n800 |
| 18:33.07 | timeless | it's hanging outside m office |
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| 18:33.47 | timeless | pskr: erm |
| 18:33.58 | timeless | typically gecko builds xpidl itself |
| 18:34.06 | WhisperingVoices | well sadly I bought it with personal money, I can't afford to waste 60£ randomly, I'm a student :/ |
| 18:34.50 | timeless | whisperingvoices: contribute something helpful and i'll send you a shirt w/ an adapter :) |
| 18:35.11 | timeless | it'll take however long shipping takes, but .. |
| 18:36.37 | timeless | pskr: i'm very confused |
| 18:36.42 | timeless | what in the world did you actually build |
| 18:36.46 | timeless | and in what directories |
| 18:36.48 | timeless | and in what order |
| 18:36.59 | timeless | if you built microb-engine |
| 18:37.08 | timeless | you probably ended up w/ a microb-engine-dev or something |
| 18:37.11 | timeless | which would have xpidl |
| 18:37.24 | timeless | if you don't install whatever that package is, you own't have xpidl |
| 18:38.05 | timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/source/browser/mozilla/trunk/microb-engine/microb-engine/debian/control#61 |
| 18:38.33 | timeless | anyway, if you're using too much of the debian build system |
| 18:38.35 | timeless | which you clearly are |
| 18:38.44 | timeless | then you need to pay attention to how the debian build system works |
| 18:38.48 | timeless | which you clearly aren't |
| 18:39.00 | timeless | personally, i'd avoid the debian buidl system |
| 18:39.05 | timeless | it makes my life a lot simpler |
| 18:39.26 | timeless | sorry, i'm frustrated. i have <10 days to plan a vacation, and i have a dozen tasks i need to get done |
| 18:39.38 | timeless | and you're asking questions which are really "how do i build things with debian" |
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| 18:39.54 | timeless | which are things i, a person who doesn't even like debian, shouldn't be forced or expected to help w/ |
| 18:40.12 | pskr | timeless: No problem. :-( |
| 18:40.14 | timeless | i do appreciate that you're trying to build something big |
| 18:40.23 | timeless | and i hope that at some point you can contribute |
| 18:40.32 | timeless | but in the interim, it's only compounding headaches |
| 18:40.49 | timeless | and i get lots of headaches from work |
| 18:41.18 | timeless | fwiw, we're not kinder nor gentler to internals or contractors who ask similar questions |
| 18:42.56 | pskr | timeless: I am planning to contribute. BTW< Sorry and thanks for your help. |
| 18:43.32 | pskr | timeless: are you same as timelyx? |
| 18:43.38 | WhisperingVoices | [19:36] <timeless> whisperingvoices: contribute something helpful and i'll send you a shirt w/ an adapter :) <- haha. Contribute to what? What do you do? |
| 18:43.38 | timeless | yyes |
| 18:43.58 | timeless | whisperingvoices: i work on the browser |
| 18:44.07 | timeless | but if you help triager bugs.maemo.org, that's fine too |
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| 18:44.25 | timeless | i can send you a shirt from qgil's budget just as easily as i can from my portion of his budget :) |
| 18:44.36 | timeless | heck, help clean up wiki.maemo.org and the same applies |
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| 18:57.39 | WhisperingVoices | Well given I got the n800 specifically to start learning about such things on the long long commute I have, I'd have to start with the Wiki :P |
| 18:58.15 | timeless | fine w/ me, only warning: |
| 18:58.23 | timeless | you have about 1 week (probably less) to do cleanup |
| 18:58.32 | WhisperingVoices | before the world ends? |
| 18:58.47 | timeless | i'll be on vacation for a month, and won't be able to send you a shirt + adapter while i'm out of the country :) |
| 18:58.57 | timeless | in a way, yeah :) |
| 19:01.11 | WhisperingVoices | it seems that neither the Wiki Evaluation nor reorganization pages work |
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| 19:15.24 | Bigup | hello :) |
| 19:16.18 | cosmo | hm, still no mpd client for 770 |
| 19:16.33 | pupnik_ | mpd? |
| 19:16.34 | cosmo | i installed a couple of web clients but they suck |
| 19:16.40 | cosmo | music player daemon |
| 19:18.30 | pupnik_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:18.40 | WhisperingVoices | Anyone here use GPE PIM? |
| 19:18.55 | timeless | i used it once w/ my 770 to cause my device to reboot |
| 19:19.00 | WhisperingVoices | oh |
| 19:19.01 | WhisperingVoices | :/ |
| 19:19.01 | timeless | does that count? :) |
| 19:19.01 | pupnik_ | unmet build dependencies cosmo -- looks doable actually but more work than i have time for right now |
| 19:19.03 | WhisperingVoices | LOL |
| 19:19.09 | WhisperingVoices | and it has such good reviews too. |
| 19:19.18 | timeless | this was a long time ago |
| 19:19.19 | cosmo | pupnik_: did you try to compile the N800 version? |
| 19:19.36 | timeless | at the time, i was using all sorts of things to cause device reboots |
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| 19:19.45 | cosmo | http://mmpc.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 19:19.57 | timeless | anyway, i just like breaking things |
| 19:20.03 | pupnik_ | cosmo - wait, there's a port already? what's the problem? |
| 19:20.05 | timeless | and w/ maemo that's no very hard :) |
| 19:20.22 | cosmo | pupnik_: only N800 binaries available |
| 19:20.51 | Bigup | i have a small question : i intend to buy a n800 very son, but i've not seen if there is nfs support, because all of my data is tored and anvailable though nfs |
| 19:20.53 | cosmo | i could try to set up a itos06 dev environment and compile tomorrow at work.. |
| 19:21.16 | WhisperingVoices | how about Maemopad+? |
| 19:21.33 | timeless | it works |
| 19:21.55 | timeless | bigup: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/kernel/ |
| 19:22.03 | Bigup | timeless: out of the box? like i just have to 'mount -t nfs' ? |
| 19:22.17 | timeless | no, the itworks was to whisperingvoices |
| 19:22.30 | Bigup | timeless: ok |
| 19:22.33 | WhisperingVoices | thanks |
| 19:23.08 | pupnik_ | whoah how did he make a webpage for his garage page? i wan do that too |
| 19:23.14 | Bigup | timeless: i've seen this url already but the post the user made says that it does not work, and it seems to be the only feedback |
| 19:23.20 | timeless | pupnik: eh? |
| 19:23.37 | timeless | pupnik: you mean like browser.garage.maemo.org? |
| 19:23.39 | cosmo | that mpd server was surprisingly easy to set up.. apt-get install and edit music dir to conf file |
| 19:23.46 | pupnik_ | the mmpc.garage.maemo.org has a custom webpage - yeah |
| 19:23.56 | WhisperingVoices | Timeless - I queried you about the Wiki |
| 19:24.08 | timeless | sorry, missed it |
| 19:24.10 | WhisperingVoices | Does the N800 have some sort of "congratulations, I am full" message when the battery finishes charging? |
| 19:24.13 | timeless | what did you query? |
| 19:24.26 | timeless | whisperingvoices: when it's on or off? |
| 19:24.37 | timeless | when it's off it'll say something like fully charged w/ a check mamrk iirc |
| 19:24.42 | WhisperingVoices | Off, I just plugged it in for the first time |
| 19:24.44 | WhisperingVoices | Okay, thanks |
| 19:24.57 | timeless | when it's on, in newer releases it might say something like "battery full, please unplug charger" |
| 19:25.05 | timeless | or it might not |
| 19:25.06 | WhisperingVoices | Also: the Maemo wiki's got nothing in the "evaluation" and "reorganisation" pages |
| 19:25.09 | WhisperingVoices | they're broken urls |
| 19:25.17 | timeless | url? |
| 19:25.48 | WhisperingVoices | http://maemo.org/community/MidgardWikiEvaluation |
| 19:25.52 | timeless | pupnik: ok |
| 19:25.55 | timeless | edit public info |
| 19:25.57 | WhisperingVoices | http://maemo.org/community/WikiReorg |
| 19:26.09 | timeless | there's a homepage link |
| 19:26.11 | timeless | that's half of it |
| 19:26.27 | timeless | i think the other half might be just having a www/ directory at the top of svn |
| 19:26.39 | Bigup | timeless: did you personally try the kernel with nfs or do you use other protocols so as to access data on your home server? |
| 19:26.47 | pupnik_ | ok i'll just ask Holger of mmpc fame |
| 19:26.49 | timeless | i use gmail |
| 19:27.10 | Bigup | gmail with fuse? |
| 19:27.15 | timeless | i don't see why anyone would want to manage lots of storage using the maemo file manager |
| 19:27.18 | timeless | no, just gmail |
| 19:27.33 | timeless | i don't use my n800 to build apps |
| 19:27.43 | Bigup | i don't want to manage a lot of storage, i just want to access my music or movies |
| 19:27.47 | timeless | and i don't use my n800 as an mp3 player/movie player |
| 19:27.56 | timeless | http :) |
| 19:27.58 | Bigup | to transfer then to the n800 |
| 19:28.13 | timeless | it's portable, everyone speaks it |
| 19:28.25 | timeless | and btw, linux support for nfs sucks |
| 19:28.31 | timeless | and nfs traditionally wedges badly |
| 19:28.37 | Bigup | in general you mean? |
| 19:28.38 | timeless | neither are great reasons to consider it |
| 19:28.49 | timeless | nothing maemo specific in those comments |
| 19:29.00 | pupnik_ | true about the wedging |
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| 19:29.13 | Bigup | i use nfs at home |
| 19:29.31 | pupnik_ | i like nfs too - samba is a pig |
| 19:29.34 | timeless | you have my condolances |
| 19:29.41 | Bigup | :) |
| 19:29.47 | timeless | otoh, i use nfs at work, but it's running on opensolaris |
| 19:29.50 | timeless | so i have a decent nfs stack |
| 19:29.56 | Bigup | anyway i just consider cifs or nfs ton access remote data |
| 19:30.13 | timeless | http is my friend |
| 19:30.20 | Bigup | if i use http i'll have to wget directories to download my music |
| 19:30.30 | timeless | my box serves content via nfs and http, but i generally use htp |
| 19:30.39 | timeless | s/htp/http |
| 19:31.16 | Bigup | ok, but if i want do download 2 albums, i don't want to clik on 24 tracks |
| 19:31.17 | timeless | i think shoutcast or something makes more sense than nfs |
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| 19:31.42 | timeless | but it really depends on what you're actually trying to do |
| 19:31.51 | Bigup | just access data |
| 19:31.53 | timeless | if i want to download a movie, i'll plug my n800 into my desktop w/ usb |
| 19:31.57 | timeless | it's a lot faster |
| 19:32.07 | timeless | and the ue is better |
| 19:32.15 | Bigup | ue means? |
| 19:32.57 | timeless | ui=user interface. ue=user experience |
| 19:33.02 | Bigup | thanks |
| 19:33.15 | timeless | anyway, i'm off in search of food |
| 19:33.16 | Bigup | n800 behaves like usb mass storage? |
| 19:33.21 | Bigup | ok |
| 19:33.28 | Bigup | thanks for the answers |
| 19:33.50 | timeless | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/usbnetworking/ |
| 19:33.53 | timeless | says: |
| 19:34.01 | timeless | In normal circumstances, the USB Mass storage driver had control of the usb hardware. |
| 19:34.17 | timeless | Until the replacement occurs, the host computer will see the 770/n800 as just another mass storage device or an empty cable. |
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| 19:34.33 | timeless | answers brought to you by google |
| 19:35.02 | Bigup | thanks for the answers timeless :) |
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| 19:36.22 | Bigup | else i can use sftp |
| 19:36.49 | Bigup | i'll check if there is a (s)ftp client with gui |
| 19:37.05 | Bigup | it would solve everything |
| 19:37.12 | pupnik_ | i'm using scp - comes with ssh |
| 19:37.29 | Bigup | could do the trick |
| 19:37.36 | pupnik_ | scp -r etc |
| 19:37.40 | Bigup | yup |
| 19:38.00 | Bigup | but a simple ui could do the trick to browse the remote machine |
| 19:38.04 | pupnik_ | kinda slow though - averaging 200-300kB/s on large files |
| 19:38.07 | Bigup | like mc orsomething |
| 19:38.26 | pupnik_ | i should set up nfs but i'm too lazy |
| 19:38.57 | Bigup | i don't even know if nfs really works actually |
| 19:39.02 | twobithacker | might be able to speed up scp by using a faster cipher |
| 19:39.08 | Bigup | the only feedback on the website says no |
| 19:39.12 | pupnik_ | dropbear doesn't understand -c blowfish |
| 19:40.28 | pupnik_ | imo they should have included a "-c none" option but oh well |
| 19:40.34 | lardman | Is the n800 audio output limited to 8bit? I seem to remember reading that somewhere |
| 19:40.56 | pupnik_ | no way |
| 19:41.13 | lardman | ah, perhaps that was the input then |
| 19:41.16 | lardman | that would make more sense |
| 19:42.09 | Bigup | how do you guys access data stored on your server to trasfers from/to n800 ? |
| 19:42.28 | pupnik_ | timeless and I already answered that |
| 19:43.08 | Bigup | scp and http then |
| 19:43.17 | Bigup | will be scp for me |
| 19:44.21 | Bigup | but scp can be troublesome if you don't exactly know the name of the diretory you want to get (i probably have tens of music albums) |
| 19:45.47 | pupnik_ | for music the gui would be much nicer |
| 19:45.58 | pupnik_ | why not try the nfs enabled kernel |
| 19:46.32 | pupnik_ | just download the kernel and flash it to the device |
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| 19:47.01 | Bigup | pupnik: nfs would be great but on the page, the only feedback says that it does not work |
| 19:47.10 | lardman | kulve: I forgot to say, the kernel was the right one (at least it flashed ok and runs, I've not had to do any debugging yet) |
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| 19:47.17 | lardman | kulve: Thanks |
| 19:47.22 | Bigup | nfs would really be nice |
| 19:48.00 | Bigup | i just wondered if it really worked |
| 19:48.06 | Bigup | else it'll be scp |
| 19:48.27 | Bigup | anyway maemo seems really to be a nice os |
| 19:49.17 | Bigup | i've been a debian user for a few years, using it on the n800 will be pure pleasure ^^ |
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| 19:52.09 | pupnik | Bigup: yes, but 3rd party apps are spread across many private repositories - just need to adapt to that |
| 19:52.32 | Bigup | great then :) |
| 19:52.49 | Bigup | as well as debian |
| 19:53.10 | pupnik | as far as debian goes, i'm a big sidux fan... tracking sid without the instability |
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| 19:54.10 | Bigup | pupnik: right, sidux seems really nice |
| 19:54.38 | Bigup | i'm using debian/testing mixed with a bit of unstable for compiz |
| 19:55.32 | pupnik | did you start with the deb bootstrap? |
| 19:56.07 | Bigup | what do you mean? |
| 19:56.24 | pupnik | maybe i got the name wrong - there's a script and tarball somewhere that will set up a barebones debian system - great for small installs |
| 19:57.08 | Bigup | i think it's the right name yes |
| 19:57.08 | pupnik | http://packages.debian.org/stable/admin/debootstrap |
| 19:57.35 | Bigup | i have it installed |
| 19:58.02 | pupnik | i use it for a UML image |
| 19:58.42 | pupnik | so the server never sees the internet - only a UML debian running on it |
| 19:58.50 | Bigup | nice :) |
| 19:58.50 | _Monkey | nice :) is ssvb working on it? |
| 19:58.54 | cosmo | Bigup: i use sftp from pc to 770 over wlan to transfer files |
| 19:59.13 | Bigup | cosmo: command line sftp? |
| 19:59.19 | cosmo | no, gui |
| 19:59.42 | Bigup | nice |
| 19:59.51 | cosmo | well maybe sometimes scp if i feel oldschool |
| 20:00.07 | Bigup | what application on the n800 does provide a gui sftp? |
| 20:00.24 | Bigup | oups |
| 20:00.31 | Bigup | you said to the n800 |
| 20:00.31 | pupnik | nice :) |
| 20:00.57 | Bigup | i'm looking for a gui to transfer files on the n800 from the n800 |
| 20:00.59 | cosmo | yep, there's no sftp gui for maemo yet.. although it would be useful |
| 20:01.14 | pupnik | uh... there's no gui ftp client? |
| 20:02.07 | pupnik | MaemoFTP |
| 20:02.08 | _Monkey | i guess MaemoFTP is not for n800 |
| 20:02.25 | cosmo | dunno about ftp clients, haven't used ftp since 1998 or so ;) |
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| 20:03.01 | timelE61i | Presumably you could get sftp for gnomevfs... |
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| 20:03.28 | timelE61i | no idea if it would work w/ file manager... |
| 20:04.03 | pupnik | hmm, there's also sftp-server for the tablet |
| 20:04.12 | cosmo | pupnik: yep, openssh |
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| 20:04.56 | pupnik | _Monkey sftp-server is extract the sftp-server binary from http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo/ossw/o/openssh/ssh_3.8p1-3osso2_arm.deb and put it on the filesystem, then modify sshd_config to reflect where it is located. |
| 20:04.57 | _Monkey | pupnik: no idea |
| 20:05.44 | timelE61i | lol |
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| 20:06.15 | timelE61i | pupnik: backwhack \where |
| 20:06.15 | pupnik | maybe it's having trouble with the '-' |
| 20:06.28 | timelE61i | otherwise you're asking a question |
| 20:06.30 | pupnik | oh |
| 20:06.52 | pupnik | ty |
| 20:07.04 | timelE61i | better: weword to avoid |
| 20:07.23 | timelE61i | .. to reflect its location |
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| 20:07.49 | pupnik | forget sftp-server |
| 20:07.53 | pupnik | _Monkey, forget sftp-server |
| 20:07.54 | _Monkey | pupnik, I didn't have anything matching sftp-server |
| 20:08.01 | timelE61i | it didn't learn. |
| 20:08.24 | timelE61i | you asked a very long and convoluted question |
| 20:08.28 | pupnik | _Monkey. sftp-server is extract the sftp-server binary from http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo/ossw/o/openssh/ssh_3.8p1-3osso2_arm.deb and put it on the filesystem, then modify sshd_config to reflect its location |
| 20:08.39 | timelE61i | to which it answered it didn't know |
| 20:08.45 | pupnik | sftp-server? |
| 20:08.55 | timelE61i | : not . ? |
| 20:09.01 | pupnik | 22:04 <_Monkey> ...but _monkey. sftp-server is extract the sftp-server binary from http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo/ossw/o/openssh/ssh_3.8p1-3osso2_arm.deb and put it on the filesystem, then modify sshd_config to reflect where it is located... |
| 20:09.07 | timelE61i | that wasn't address |
| 20:09.21 | pupnik | i brokeded it :( |
| 20:10.03 | timelE61i | _monkey: forget _monkey. Sftp-server |
| 20:10.03 | _Monkey | timelE61i: I forgot _monkey. sftp-server |
| 20:10.34 | pupnik | sftp-server? |
| 20:10.45 | pupnik | sftp-server |
| 20:10.53 | timelE61i | that was passive learning |
| 20:11.08 | pupnik | _Monkey. sftp-server is extract the sftp-server binary from http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo/ossw/o/openssh/ssh_3.8p1-3osso2_arm.deb and put it on the filesystem, then modify sshd_config to reflect its location |
| 20:11.08 | _Monkey | i already had it that way, pupnik. |
| 20:11.26 | pupnik | i PMed the training to reduce traffic here |
| 20:11.37 | pupnik | what could be causing problems now? |
| 20:11.39 | timelE61i | replace _monkey. With _monkey: |
| 20:11.46 | pupnik | oh |
| 20:12.23 | pupnik | works now |
| 20:12.27 | timelE61i | _monkey: forget _monkey. Sftp-server |
| 20:12.28 | _Monkey | timelE61i: I forgot _monkey. sftp-server |
| 20:12.35 | pupnik | aargh |
| 20:12.46 | timelE61i | please pay attn |
| 20:12.55 | pupnik | i had it working with : |
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| 20:13.10 | timelE61i | typing on this phone isn't fun |
| 20:13.23 | pupnik | i understand now - thanks for the expl |
| 20:13.32 | timelE61i | i only type what is necessary |
| 20:13.52 | pupnik | you're fast |
| 20:13.56 | timelE61i | np |
| 20:14.36 | timelE61i | i'm generally walking too :) |
| 20:15.22 | timelE61i | wanna help me find a flight from HEL..VIE? |
| 20:17.16 | xorAxAx | from hell to vienna? |
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| 20:18.29 | gogol | ha |
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| 20:18.39 | sp3000 | hell to vierumäki |
| 20:21.48 | timelyx | hrm, no? |
| 20:24.12 | pupnik | i am not familiar with flight booking sites |
| 20:26.06 | pupnik | timelyx: yes/no are you looking for cheapest or soonest flight? |
| 20:26.15 | pupnik | argh - cheapest? |
| 20:29.25 | WhisperingVoices | Quick question - how can I set my desktop background on the N800? |
| 20:30.45 | zakx | WhisperingVoices: open the menu on the home screen |
| 20:30.53 | zakx | there's an option for it |
| 20:31.00 | timelyx | i expect to fly sep 7 hel=>vie, and return from par=>hel oct 7 |
| 20:31.23 | timelyx | constraint is i'd like to arrive before 5pm on friday, and leave relatively late on sunday |
| 20:31.45 | timelyx | airberlin found me a 260EUR flight that arrives 6pm (not ideal) |
| 20:32.04 | timelyx | esp since i have no idea how far out of the city i am and how long it'd take for me to get settled |
| 20:32.22 | WhisperingVoices | zakx - any idea where more specifically ? I've looked around and I can open the image but not set it as abackground |
| 20:32.23 | timelyx | lufthansa has a ~500USD path for the "round" trip |
| 20:32.31 | timelyx | although i didn't record the time stamps |
| 20:33.19 | zakx | WhisperingVoices: step 1: make sure being on the home screen. it should say "Home" on top and you should see your applets. |
| 20:33.42 | WhisperingVoices | ah-hah |
| 20:33.48 | WhisperingVoices | alright thanks |
| 20:33.52 | zakx | WhisperingVoices: step 2: press either the arrow next to the "Home" label or the softkey for menus (that's the middle one) |
| 20:33.54 | WhisperingVoices | I hit Home but that's not the same thing |
| 20:33.59 | WhisperingVoices | yea done it now |
| 20:34.02 | zakx | k |
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| 20:37.35 | Bigup | thanks for everything |
| 20:37.41 | Bigup | and good night! |
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| 21:47.27 | gidget | i cannot receive inbound gizmo calls on the 770, but a windows box on the same LAN receives them fine. whats up with that? |
| 21:48.36 | gidget | cant find anything concerning this n gizmo forums or ittalk forums |
| 21:50.11 | gidget | i have tried with the 770 in dmz too, even though the win box doesn't require it |
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| 23:05.29 | fish_ | re |
| 23:06.09 | pupnik | mo |
| 23:12.09 | jumpula | ss |
| 23:18.27 | erstazi | dd |
| 23:18.43 | erstazi | remoss |
| 23:21.06 | jumpula | shoul've said 'se' |
| 23:21.22 | erstazi | heh |
| 23:21.30 | jumpula | but only analogy i could came up with was less, and i was hoping for someone to fill in 'le' |
| 23:22.17 | erstazi | remossle? heh |
| 23:22.38 | erstazi | oh |
| 23:22.57 | jumpula | and then remosslestmo |
| 23:23.01 | erstazi | heh |
| 23:23.03 | jumpula | (i have no life) |
| 23:23.11 | erstazi | its ok |
| 23:23.21 | erstazi | its a wednesday night here and I am very exhausted |
| 23:24.25 | jumpula | hm, i think i'll go to bed |
| 23:24.31 | jumpula | easier to wake up tomorrow |
| 23:26.03 | erstazi | jumpula: night |
| 23:28.19 | jumpula | night |
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| 23:42.17 | MCCob | hello |
| 23:42.36 | MCCob | anyone have a valid repository for tapioca ? or deb file ? |
| 23:43.21 | soolek | i couldn't find any maemo deb install file either |
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| 23:53.17 | bmk789 | is there a guide to running maemo in a VM to try it out? |