| 00:07.58 | pupnik | wootness - menu bug in freesci fixed |
| 00:10.10 | pupnik | if anyone wants faster games porting i would take a gp2x on loan |
| 00:11.15 | Sulis | haha, i've got a gp2x which currently has no firmware... |
| 00:12.00 | pupnik | can it be flashed? |
| 00:12.51 | Sulis | well last time i tried it started the flashing process, but never finished it |
| 00:13.03 | Sulis | i left it on for *hours* |
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| 00:14.05 | pupnik | hi NeoStrider |
| 00:14.20 | NeoStrider | hi pupnik |
| 00:14.23 | NeoStrider | whats up? |
| 00:14.40 | pupnik | working on freesci |
| 00:17.56 | NeoStrider | freesci? |
| 00:17.57 | _Monkey | somebody said freesci was the Interpreter/Emulator for Sierra On-Line adventure games. Test and comment! 770/N800 compatible testing version here http://pupnik.de/freesci.html |
| 00:18.05 | NeoStrider | hahahaha |
| 00:18.25 | NeoStrider | why I still get surprised!? |
| 00:19.01 | NeoStrider | há! cool vbkd support! |
| 00:19.19 | NeoStrider | but...how?! |
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| 00:19.58 | grosa | does anyone have a mirrored copy of http://www.arava.co.il/matan/770/dbus-s ? |
| 00:20.26 | grosa | i'm trying to integrate my bt-pan scripts with the connection manager. |
| 00:20.42 | grosa | as per instructions on http://maemo.org/community/wiki/bluetoothnetworkingandconnectionmanager/ |
| 00:20.42 | NeoStrider | this xkbd thing rocks!!! |
| 00:23.08 | pupnik | :) |
| 00:23.33 | pupnik | i don't know grosa |
| 00:23.40 | pupnik | yeah NeoStrider - you see the screenshot? |
| 00:23.53 | NeoStrider | sure!!!! |
| 00:23.56 | NeoStrider | I wanna use it!!! |
| 00:24.59 | grosa | heh, so all you need now is two tablets. one to use as a keyb for the other. |
| 00:25.10 | grosa | (actually, that seems kinda cool) |
| 00:27.01 | NeoStrider | grosa, whats your point? |
| 00:27.25 | grosa | NeoStrider: that it would be awesomely geeky. |
| 00:27.51 | NeoStrider | pupnik: incompatible package version! |
| 00:27.59 | NeoStrider | grosa: why two tablets? |
| 00:28.05 | grosa | hrm, so if i can't get the connection manager stuff to work... plan b: how do i add/change dock menu items? |
| 00:28.13 | grosa | NeoStrider: so you can use one as a bt-keyboard for the other. |
| 00:28.30 | grosa | NeoStrider: and not take up screenspace on 1 with a virtual keyb. |
| 00:28.37 | NeoStrider | why is xkbd gives a kbd for non-hildon stuff |
| 00:28.58 | NeoStrider | the xkbd is good enough |
| 00:29.28 | pupnik | sorry NeoStrider not my package - use dpkg -i |
| 00:29.56 | NeoStrider | root? |
| 00:29.57 | _Monkey | somebody said root was not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
| 00:32.17 | NeoStrider | requires root =-/ |
| 00:32.21 | NeoStrider | I will build it myself later |
| 00:32.48 | DaniloCesar | Someone knows why pygame window is not showed in the windows list when I call "pygame.display.set_mode([xxx,xxx])" (pymaemo) |
| 00:33.03 | Sulis | NeoStrider: why not just ssh to root? |
| 00:33.26 | NeoStrider | ssh requires internet connectivity, right? |
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| 00:33.45 | NeoStrider | or at least usbnet |
| 00:33.53 | NeoStrider | neither I have now |
| 00:34.37 | Sulis | ssh...from the tablet... |
| 00:35.56 | Sulis | if you do: ssh root@127.1 |
| 00:36.04 | NeoStrider | ssh from the tablet to the tablet...genious!!!! |
| 00:36.59 | Sulis | not genious, just practical |
| 00:37.49 | NeoStrider | genius is the man who sees the simple things that were right on our faces... |
| 00:40.13 | pupnik | hehe |
| 00:40.24 | NeoStrider | back to zero...there are only .install ssh's |
| 00:40.31 | dick-richardson | timelyx: when a new phone is supported, do we have to wait for the next release or is there an update we can run? |
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| 00:54.44 | NeoStrider | why seems that my sbox doesnt have internet acess? |
| 00:55.37 | NeoStrider | actually it has |
| 00:55.39 | NeoStrider | apt hasnt |
| 01:00.38 | NeoStrider | fixed! |
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| 01:08.08 | NeoStrider | how to download microb-browser .deb? |
| 01:09.11 | pupnik | microb? |
| 01:09.11 | _Monkey | microb is, like, the nokia sponsored gtk2-cairo hack of gecko for use by /usr/bin/browser via eal on n800 (4.2007) |
| 01:09.19 | pupnik | hmm bad _Monkey |
| 01:09.27 | pupnik | see maemo.org browser |
| 01:11.08 | NeoStrider | as usual, only .installs |
| 01:16.09 | pupnik | this is bad? |
| 01:16.23 | pupnik | you can look at install and get the deb with apt |
| 01:16.43 | NeoStrider | yeah...but its not working |
| 01:16.48 | NeoStrider | bad dependencies... |
| 01:16.54 | NeoStrider | can you download it for me? |
| 01:21.01 | pupnik | hmm i look |
| 01:22.18 | pupnik | check ITT forums for problem description NeoStrider |
| 01:22.29 | NeoStrider | ok |
| 01:29.23 | pupnik | the .install worked for me on it2006 :| |
| 01:30.22 | NeoStrider | you have wifi |
| 01:30.26 | NeoStrider | I dont |
| 01:30.33 | NeoStrider | but nevermind |
| 01:30.41 | NeoStrider | got a web acess on the repo |
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| 01:43.36 | Andy80 | hi |
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| 01:43.59 | Andy80 | I've just discovered MicroB for N770... |
| 01:44.31 | Andy80 | I've read about flash9 license problem.. ok... but... is it possible to have the flash9 plugin? |
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| 01:59.17 | pupnik | Andy80: don't know - lettuce know how it works for you |
| 02:00.42 | Andy80 | ok, thanks :) I'll give a look tomorrow! |
| 02:12.56 | kupesoft | Arg, setting up maemo is a nightmare! |
| 02:13.55 | NeoStrider | kupesoft: whats the matter? |
| 02:14.13 | kupesoft | NeoStrider: I've already given up (; |
| 02:14.20 | NeoStrider | why? |
| 02:14.23 | kupesoft | Will you be around tomorrow to help out? |
| 02:14.32 | NeoStrider | sure |
| 02:14.35 | NeoStrider | but whats the matter? |
| 02:14.35 | kupesoft | (; |
| 02:14.54 | kupesoft | I'm finding the documentation too inaccessible |
| 02:15.01 | kupesoft | i. e. no simple guide, |
| 02:15.17 | NeoStrider | there are some simple guides around the web |
| 02:15.21 | NeoStrider | let me get you some |
| 02:15.48 | kupesoft | I don't know which scratchbox packages to downloda specificly |
| 02:16.00 | NeoStrider | what version you want to develop for? |
| 02:16.11 | kupesoft | I just want to tinker and compile some stuff |
| 02:16.12 | kupesoft | really |
| 02:16.20 | kupesoft | n800, updated to the newest firmware |
| 02:16.25 | NeoStrider | hummm |
| 02:16.40 | NeoStrider | so you're using maemo 3 (3.1? im not sure) |
| 02:17.02 | NeoStrider | Download Scratchbox 1.0.7 and cs2005q3.2-glibc toolchains |
| 02:17.05 | kupesoft | I'm not using maemo anything, I haven't installed it on my laptop |
| 02:17.13 | NeoStrider | Download SDK rootstrap, too |
| 02:17.22 | NeoStrider | i mean on device |
| 02:17.27 | NeoStrider | your device runs maemo 3.x |
| 02:17.30 | NeoStrider | n800 |
| 02:18.07 | NeoStrider | so you must get sbox 1.0.7 and the cs2005q3.2-glibc toolchains |
| 02:18.14 | NeoStrider | then the rootstraps |
| 02:18.28 | kupesoft | Which packages exactly on an x86 debian variant (guess which one ;( ) |
| 02:18.34 | NeoStrider | follow this: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial_bora.html |
| 02:18.39 | kupesoft | http://www.scratchbox.org/download/files/sbox-releases/apophis/deb/ |
| 02:18.53 | NeoStrider | let me suggest you something? go with .tgz |
| 02:19.09 | NeoStrider | I use ubuntu 7.04 and found it easier to use .tgz |
| 02:19.24 | NeoStrider | (I've been playing around maemo since 1.0) |
| 02:19.30 | kupesoft | Alright, |
| 02:19.34 | kupesoft | so which exactly @ http://www.scratchbox.org/download/files/sbox-releases/apophis/tarball/ ? |
| 02:19.53 | pupnik | took me a few days kupesoft, don't worry |
| 02:20.04 | NeoStrider | it took me some weeks =-) |
| 02:20.15 | kupesoft | (; |
| 02:20.45 | kupesoft | I just want to compile a kernel module and some command line tools, |
| 02:20.48 | pupnik | until i understood enough to really do things it took me weeks also |
| 02:20.59 | NeoStrider | kupesoft: pick anything 1.0.7 |
| 02:21.02 | kupesoft | How difficult is this going to be? |
| 02:21.18 | NeoStrider | kupesoft: modules? quite hard, I guess |
| 02:21.20 | pupnik | command line tools can take < 2 minutes to compile |
| 02:21.24 | pupnik | kernel modules dunno |
| 02:21.26 | NeoStrider | command line tools: straightforward |
| 02:21.31 | kupesoft | kernel modules: ??? |
| 02:21.37 | NeoStrider | yeah |
| 02:21.58 | NeoStrider | Im just a game developer...never messed with anything like that |
| 02:22.05 | kupesoft | My main goal is to update the wireless driver and get the experimental USB host mode patches working |
| 02:22.13 | NeoStrider | I shouldnt , indeed. I must simulate the user's machine on my machine |
| 02:22.35 | kupesoft | I'm comfortable with compiling a kernel for the sucker, I just want to get Maemo set up (; |
| 02:23.11 | NeoStrider | ok |
| 02:23.15 | NeoStrider | so just follow the tutorial |
| 02:23.41 | NeoStrider | on that url you pasted, just download everything 1.0.7 (never played with maemo 3.x - only maemo 2.x) |
| 02:23.48 | kupesoft | Which scratchbox-toolchain-cs2005q3.2 do I want? |
| 02:24.02 | kupesoft | glibc glibc2.5 ? |
| 02:24.53 | NeoStrider | yeah...looks like it |
| 02:25.22 | kupesoft | bleh, |
| 02:25.38 | kupesoft | This is why I'm frustrated. ); |
| 02:26.20 | NeoStrider | oh man...just try it! |
| 02:26.52 | kupesoft | Alright, |
| 02:26.54 | kupesoft | (; |
| 02:27.07 | kupesoft | What game are you working on? |
| 02:27.13 | kupesoft | (or sorts of games?) |
| 02:28.09 | NeoStrider | angstron? |
| 02:28.10 | _Monkey | i heard angstron was http://angstron.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 02:28.15 | NeoStrider | ;-) |
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| 02:28.37 | kupesoft | Do I need the scratchbox-libs package? |
| 02:28.40 | NeoStrider | http://mosh.nokia.com/content/389CBFFD11296914E040050AEE044171 |
| 02:28.49 | NeoStrider | yeah |
| 02:28.52 | NeoStrider | everything =-) |
| 02:28.59 | NeoStrider | sbox is somewhat big |
| 02:29.06 | pupnik | how about not drawing the floor NeoStrider? just walls, lines and racers? |
| 02:29.22 | NeoStrider | hum...maybe... |
| 02:29.26 | kupesoft | And which devkit should I pick? |
| 02:29.41 | NeoStrider | but then I loose lots of ambient details (i guess) |
| 02:29.49 | NeoStrider | but I will try it |
| 02:29.53 | NeoStrider | thanks for the idea |
| 02:30.51 | NeoStrider | anyway, maybe the performance doesnt worth loosing the details |
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| 02:33.41 | kupesoft | Yeah, this is way to complicated. |
| 02:33.41 | NeoStrider | kupesoft: whats the options? |
| 02:34.13 | kupesoft | There's 6 scratchbox-toolchain-cs2005q3.2-glibc* packages, |
| 02:35.06 | NeoStrider | pick the 1.0.7 |
| 02:35.27 | kupesoft | the arm - i386 one? |
| 02:35.31 | NeoStrider | both |
| 02:35.52 | kupesoft | alright |
| 02:35.58 | NeoStrider | the i386 for "emulation" , the arm for device |
| 02:37.33 | kupesoft | okay, I've got libs core and the two toolchains |
| 02:38.26 | kupesoft | Following the instructions on scratchbox.org, |
| 02:38.43 | NeoStrider | good |
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| 02:45.07 | kupesoft | brb |
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| 02:46.40 | kupesoft | Which rootstrap do I want? |
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| 02:47.23 | kupesoft | NeoStrider: ? |
| 02:47.36 | NeoStrider | show me the options |
| 02:47.45 | kupesoft | http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo-3-x--bora-.html |
| 02:48.01 | kupesoft | i386 or armel |
| 02:48.19 | NeoStrider | both |
| 02:48.19 | kupesoft | And there's no 3.2, just a 3.1 (I gather I can apt-get dist-upgrade?) |
| 02:48.33 | NeoStrider | yeah |
| 02:48.37 | NeoStrider | theres no 3.2 yet |
| 02:48.49 | NeoStrider | I guess there will not be a 3.2 |
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| 02:56.04 | kupesoft | NeoStrider: I found *good* docs @ http://repository.maemo.org/stable/ |
| 02:56.30 | NeoStrider | where? |
| 02:56.42 | kupesoft | in 3.1 |
| 02:56.50 | kupesoft | install.txt |
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| 02:57.28 | NeoStrider | good! |
| 02:57.32 | NeoStrider | I got to go anyway! |
| 02:59.51 | NeoStrider | cya |
| 03:01.50 | kupesoft | sudo ./maemo-scratchbox-install_3.1.sh -s /scratchbox -u dave |
| 03:01.53 | kupesoft | That wasn't very hard at all (; |
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| 03:18.37 | coderanger | Anyone know if I can hack an N800 to do 802.1x? |
| 03:19.13 | coderanger | Its already got the PEAP/GTC and PEAP/MSCHAP, just seems like a question of UI |
| 03:19.19 | pbryan | Hmm. |
| 03:20.00 | pbryan | I think you'd need an authenticator, like hostapd? |
| 03:20.03 | coderanger | Alternaively is there a way to rip out the nokia network tool and use NetworkManager (with wpa_supplicant in this case) |
| 03:21.02 | pbryan | I don't think I've seen NetworkManager ported yet. |
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| 03:25.44 | coderanger | ooh, someone cross-compiled vpnc, that will work too |
| 03:25.54 | coderanger | (/me grumbles about Uni networks) |
| 03:26.09 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe, hassle the head of the IT department until they fix it. |
| 03:26.27 | coderanger | GeneralAntilles: Working on it ; |
| 03:27.12 | GeneralAntilles | Thankfully my Uni is Radius |
| 03:27.28 | pbryan | vpnc performs 802.1x authentication?! |
| 03:28.01 | coderanger | No, we run both a VPN-secured wireless net, and a 802.1x one |
| 03:28.28 | coderanger | yes, its just as crazy as it sounds |
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| 03:29.19 | pbryan | It makes a bit of sense. |
| 03:29.21 | pbryan | :) |
| 03:29.53 | coderanger | The VPN is the older system, the concentrators are just slowly dying as there are more devices on it |
| 03:30.24 | pbryan | Well, as long as it'll support vpnc, probably your easiest way on. |
| 03:30.40 | coderanger | yep |
| 03:31.26 | pbryan | 802.1x would be nice though. |
| 03:31.41 | coderanger | networkmanager seems like a natural thing to port |
| 03:32.08 | pbryan | Yeah. Seems that the Nokia version of networking has *very* similar functionality. |
| 03:32.12 | coderanger | Just will probably need a new frontend |
| 03:32.19 | coderanger | (but its all just dbus) |
| 03:32.53 | pbryan | Anyone know if there'll be a port of Ubuntu Mobile to N800? |
| 03:33.00 | pbryan | ARM, in other words? |
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| 04:00.18 | kupesoft | My scratchbox doesn't appear to have internet connectivity |
| 04:00.36 | kupesoft | apt-get update fails |
| 04:01.50 | dick-richardson | when a new phone is supported, do we have to wait for the next release or is there an update we can run? |
| 04:02.00 | pbryan | Phone? |
| 04:02.01 | _Monkey | i heard Phone was for voice and data |
| 04:02.38 | dick-richardson | pbryan: yeah, if motorola releases a new phone, for example, and the n800 doesn't pair w/it... |
| 04:03.08 | dick-richardson | do we have to flash the OS, or is there generally a patch |
| 04:03.49 | sully | None of the above really |
| 04:03.50 | pbryan | Uh, hmm. |
| 04:03.51 | pupnik | nsswitch? |
| 04:03.58 | sully | What won't be supported probably will stay unsupported |
| 04:04.23 | pbryan | As far as I know, if the phone properly supports the DUN profile, it should work. |
| 04:04.32 | pbryan | I don't think there are patches for specific phones . |
| 04:05.31 | pupnik | kupesoft google: scratchbox and nsswitch and apt-get |
| 04:05.42 | dick-richardson | kk. I ask because I put in a bug for my phone, which supports DUN but won't work w/my n800. I'm trying to decide if I should keep it in hopes it will work in the future |
| 04:06.49 | pbryan | Hmm, I wouldn't hold my breath... |
| 04:07.17 | kupesoft | pupnik: ...? |
| 04:07.48 | pupnik | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=scratchbox+nsswitch+apt-get |
| 04:09.36 | kupesoft | ah |
| 04:09.37 | kupesoft | thanks |
| 04:09.41 | kupesoft | silly me ); |
| 04:10.59 | kupesoft | pupnik: Works, wonderful |
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| 04:22.29 | kupesoft | So why use the i386 target? |
| 04:23.17 | pupnik_bier | i do not - it might be useful for some debugging |
| 04:23.35 | kupesoft | i. e. it's faster? |
| 04:24.58 | kupesoft | And do I need to upgrade module-init-tools? |
| 04:28.39 | timeless | hrm |
| 04:28.44 | erstazi | bier! |
| 04:29.19 | timeless | does anything prevent me from changing ~/MyDocs/.documents to be a symlink to /media/mmc1/.documents ? |
| 04:29.25 | timeless | and what happens if i do that? |
| 04:29.57 | kupesoft | should work fine, but YMMV |
| 04:30.12 | erstazi | timeless: no |
| 04:30.17 | erstazi | timeless: I do it all the time |
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| 04:42.01 | sparr | http://www.shapewriter.com/demo.html |
| 04:42.05 | sparr | i want that |
| 04:42.09 | sparr | as a hildon plugin |
| 04:42.11 | sparr | :) |
| 04:42.25 | sparr | their logic is probably quite similar to the iphone |
| 04:42.59 | pbryan | Nice. |
| 04:43.04 | timelyx | ok. nokia 770 no longer exists in bugs.maemo.org |
| 04:43.35 | pbryan | Because the Nokia 770 no longer exists? :-P |
| 04:44.19 | sparr | i think handheld text input is starting to progress a lot |
| 04:44.29 | sparr | unfortunately there are so many companies working towards the same goals and not sharing :( |
| 04:44.37 | timelyx | pbryan: no, because maemo.org is a software platform |
| 04:44.52 | timelyx | and having hardware based categorizations leads to bad redundancy and lost bugs |
| 04:46.59 | sparr | http://www.strout.net/info/ideas/QUONG.jpg |
| 04:47.04 | sparr | thats an optimized stroke-able keyboard |
| 04:47.23 | sparr | the idea being that you don't lift the stylus, just drag from letter to letter |
| 04:47.32 | sparr | lift only when you reach a dead end |
| 04:48.04 | sparr | or, in more advanced systems, dont lift at all, let the computer figure out where you meant to go |
| 04:48.33 | pbryan | timelyx: Makes sense. |
| 04:50.54 | timelyx | thank you |
| 04:51.02 | pbryan | :( |
| 04:51.03 | pbryan | :) |
| 04:51.54 | timelyx | next step is for me to fix the haf-qa stuff |
| 04:51.57 | timelyx | i'll do that from work |
| 04:59.30 | kupesoft | I've got maemo up, but it's got no applications installed... |
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| 06:51.17 | timeless | um, silly question |
| 06:51.29 | timeless | is tehre a public web page w/ an email address for qgil? |
| 06:51.41 | timeless | (and yes, i could walk to his office, that's not the point) |
| 06:54.34 | inz | timeless, his email address provides quite a few hits on google, but no "contact information"-page per se |
| 06:55.33 | inz | timeless, btw, if you're still interested in Harry, http://www.finnkino.fi/movie/1418/?lang=eng |
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| 06:56.10 | timeless | i am |
| 06:56.37 | timeless | know anyone else up for it, or is that just for me |
| 06:57.58 | timeless | fwiw, http://swift/~timeless/blog/news/8/ |
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| 07:02.39 | timeless | inz: i p resume you can read that |
| 07:03.04 | timeless | in case people are curious, i expect it to be posted publicly today, so it's not really hiding or anything, just draft for comments |
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| 07:31.41 | timeless | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_3110 |
| 07:31.51 | timeless | does anyone else see two bullets before Network: GSM 900 ? |
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| 07:33.55 | inz | timeless, still on summer vac, so can't yet |
| 07:34.30 | cosmo | is it really so that maemo app installer cannot install dependencies for package installed from deb file? |
| 07:35.14 | timeless | cosmo: it was a concious choice, yes |
| 07:35.26 | timeless | create a file: repository |
| 07:36.19 | cosmo | if i have a custom package with a dependency that is found on maemo repositories, how should i handle that? |
| 07:36.34 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 07:36.44 | Jaffa | cosmo: upload it to a repository |
| 07:36.50 | cosmo | distributing deb file doesn't work as installer can't d/l the dependency package |
| 07:37.20 | cosmo | Jaffa: commercial software, should be installable from mmc |
| 07:38.43 | timeless | cosmo: you can have a .install file w/ a file: repository |
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| 07:39.17 | cosmo | timeless: can it d/l the dependency file from other repository if the custom package is at file: repository? |
| 07:39.48 | timeless | afaiu, yes |
| 07:39.55 | cosmo | ok, thanks |
| 07:40.02 | timeless | but try it of course :) |
| 07:40.15 | cosmo | i'll let my colleague know (he actually has the problem currently) |
| 07:40.46 | cosmo | i still think it's quite stupid choice not to install dependencies for deb package |
| 07:41.02 | timeless | you're not alone, but like the rest of us, you're being ignored |
| 07:41.18 | cosmo | so what is the reason? |
| 07:41.36 | timeless | the belief is that everyone should use repositories |
| 07:42.13 | cosmo | how about commercial software which cannot? |
| 07:42.29 | timeless | ? |
| 07:42.34 | timeless | sorry, i don't follow |
| 07:43.04 | cosmo | if you write a commercial application which you don't want to distribute for free, you can't put it in a repository |
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| 07:43.25 | cosmo | also users without network connection are another use case |
| 07:43.38 | cosmo | think something like navicore |
| 07:43.40 | timeless | so, as i said repeatedly, you can have a file: repository |
| 07:44.14 | timeless | and, are you sure you can't have http auth for apt repositories? |
| 07:44.49 | cosmo | i haven't ever seen such thing |
| 07:45.40 | cosmo | ok.. thank you so solution for this case would be file: repository with all dependencies in it |
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| 07:46.33 | timeless | you'd want to play w/ it a bit, it's not my area, i asked the engineer about it a while ago |
| 07:46.54 | timeless | he said someone was free to work on improving apt upstream to support it |
| 07:47.23 | timeless | it basically sounds like a bug/design of apt not so much of the installer |
| 07:47.55 | cosmo | at least ubuntu package installer installs dependencies happily when installing a deb package |
| 07:48.36 | timeless | i'm not a debian person, i asked the questions a while ago, i'm repeating hte answers as best as i can recall from memory |
| 07:48.46 | timeless | personally, i think it's stupid |
| 07:49.01 | timeless | but, i have better things to do, and don't quite care enough to hack apt at this time |
| 07:49.07 | timeless | and yes, i've hacked apt |
| 07:49.33 | timeless | if you're interested in hacking apt, contact the application manager maintainer and ask for information about how to do it |
| 07:49.36 | timeless | i think he'll share |
| 07:50.04 | cosmo | i think it'll settle for the file: repository |
| 07:50.08 | timeless | anyway, generally speaking |
| 07:50.33 | timeless | deb https://username:password@server:port/repository/path foopy/barpy blah bah black sheep |
| 07:50.34 | cosmo | i've got other projects to hack currently |
| 07:51.24 | timeless | but yeah, it looks like apt-get willl challenge you for user/password if it isn't provided |
| 07:51.25 | cosmo | hm, that would work if you generate a .install file for each user |
| 07:51.34 | timeless | i'm not sure if you can use certificates |
| 07:51.38 | timeless | which would make more sense |
| 07:52.22 | cosmo | that would be a smart way to distribute commercial sw |
| 07:53.10 | timeless | feel free to figure out itf it works |
| 07:53.16 | timeless | if it doesn't, complain to debian :) |
| 07:53.29 | timeless | or better, pay canonical to fix it :) |
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| 08:04.47 | mk8_virtual | Hi to all ... I try to upgrade my nokia SDK 3.1 to 3.2 but if I follow the instruction the apt-get utility tell me that there is nothing to upgrade |
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| 08:17.00 | AD-N770 | good morning |
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| 08:18.46 | pupnik_bier | we are saving the world sort-of |
| 08:18.53 | pupnik_bier | from microsoft-only on pdas |
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| 08:19.22 | pupnik | no reason to understimate the potential of maemo |
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| 08:32.38 | florian | hi all |
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| 08:56.38 | timeless | pupnik? |
| 08:56.49 | timeless | is there any page that describes IT OS versions? |
| 09:00.43 | pupnik | you should know that better than I |
| 09:00.50 | timeless | why? |
| 09:01.23 | pupnik | well ... you seem to know this stuff |
| 09:01.31 | timeless | heh |
| 09:01.41 | timeless | now i'm accused of knowing things, i'm really in trouble |
| 09:01.44 | pupnik | i haven't seen one |
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| 09:13.38 | timeless | is http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_770.php as confusing for you as it is for me? |
| 09:13.52 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:13.53 | timeless | The identification number is printed on the label underneath the battery. The identification number is given separately for WLAN and Bluetooth connections, and it consist of 12 characters. |
| 09:14.18 | timeless | couldn't they have said something like Ignore the BT thing? |
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| 09:22.20 | timeless | um, what's 3.1's codename? 3.0=bora, 3.2=bora, 3.1=bora? |
| 09:22.40 | sp3000 | bork bork bork |
| 09:22.49 | timeless | i'm thoroughly confused |
| 09:23.26 | dpb_ | Yeah, it's all bora :) |
| 09:24.54 | timeless | what are the public codenames for 1.0 and 1.1? |
| 09:25.11 | timeless | and would it make more sense to list things newest to oldest or oldest to newest? |
| 09:25.16 | timeless | http://swift/~timeless/blog/news/index.xml |
| 09:26.40 | inz | timeless, I think 1.0 and 1.1 didn't have codenames |
| 09:27.24 | timeless | ok, try this, load: |
| 09:27.25 | timeless | http://repository.maemo.org/stable/1.0/ |
| 09:27.32 | timeless | click the last link on the page |
| 09:27.58 | pupnik | eep opp orp ah ah! |
| 09:28.00 | inz | 404 |
| 09:28.50 | inz | timeless, I think the files are missing from the mirror servers |
| 09:29.00 | timeless | mirrors? |
| 09:29.55 | inz | timeless, notice the server name in the 404 message |
| 09:30.08 | timeless | i get ossostage.cidercone.com |
| 09:30.12 | timeless | what are my choices? |
| 09:30.43 | dpb_ | Doesn't cidercone host the main maemo.org site? |
| 09:31.15 | Ionakka | <timeless> um, what's 3.1's codename? 3.0=bora, 3.2=bora, 3.1=bora? <--- perhaps it should be "bored"? |
| 09:31.41 | inz | dpb, indeed it does, I may have misunderstood something |
| 09:31.57 | mk8_virtual | I retray to make the same question ..... |
| 09:32.18 | sp3000 | eject -t ? |
| 09:32.20 | mk8_virtual | Hi to all ... I try to upgrade my nokia SDK 3.1 to 3.2 but if I follow the instruction the apt-get utility tell me that there is nothing to upgrade |
| 09:32.33 | inz | mk8, did you run apt-get update before upgrade? |
| 09:32.50 | mk8_virtual | No ... simply install 3.1 sdk ... |
| 09:33.06 | mk8_virtual | and after I follow the instruction in the 3.2 SDK. |
| 09:33.12 | mk8_virtual | chage the source.lists file |
| 09:33.54 | inz | After changing the sources.list, you must run apt-get update to download the new package lists |
| 09:34.10 | mk8_virtual | the strange thing it is that I try to update apt-get update without changed I obtain several error 'couse the system not found the external repository |
| 09:34.28 | mk8_virtual | inz ... sorry for my english |
| 09:35.02 | mk8_virtual | inz. I can remove the source.list and retry to update 3.1 environment .... |
| 09:35.39 | inz | mk8, do you get something like "Temporary failure resolving 'repository.maemo.org'"? |
| 09:35.49 | mk8_virtual | yes |
| 09:36.02 | inz | The infamous ;) |
| 09:36.24 | mk8_virtual | if you want I can post the exact message that I have |
| 09:36.44 | inz | mk8, http://maemo-hackers.org/wiki/MaemoFaq/AptGetFailsToDownload |
| 09:36.45 | mk8_virtual | "Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/dists/bora/free/source/Sources.gz Could not resolve 'repository.maemo.org' " |
| 09:37.04 | mk8_virtual | ok inz ... I go to read it |
| 09:38.10 | timeless | Bug 1923 Submitted |
| 09:38.10 | _Monkey | Bug 1923 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1923 |
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| 09:38.22 | timeless | could we fire _monkey and get a useful bot? |
| 09:38.32 | timeless | one that pulls bug summaries would be nice |
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| 09:46.40 | mk8_virtual | inz ... I must add the IP address to the hosts file. Now the system going to upgrade. Thanks |
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| 09:52.00 | timeless | hey inz, you found a skype reporting page, right? |
| 09:52.13 | timeless | how do i contact nokia if my 770 or n800 has a hardware problem? |
| 09:52.46 | mk8_virtual | inz: ... now I have an error from apt-get that say "/scratchbox/tools/bin/chown: changing ownership of `/var/run/utmp': Operation not permitted" |
| 09:53.17 | mk8_virtual | I try to add the maemo user to the root groups but seems not work ... :( |
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| 10:11.09 | mk8_virtual | inz: I try to reboot my VM image but I still to have this error during installation: /scratchbox/tools/bin/chown: changing ownership of `/var/run/utmp': Operation not permitted |
| 10:11.15 | mk8_virtual | Can you help me? |
| 10:12.54 | pupnik | always happy to help our italian allies |
| 10:13.00 | kulve | mk8_virtual: apt-get inside sb? |
| 10:13.05 | mk8_virtual | yes |
| 10:13.14 | kulve | try "fakeroot apt-get .." |
| 10:13.21 | kulve | as there is no root inside SB |
| 10:14.06 | mk8_virtual | thank kulve |
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| 10:25.22 | tso | hmm, looking at http://www.buglabs.net it seems that we soon can build our very own N800's... |
| 10:26.03 | tso | btw, take a look at their modules under coming soon :P |
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| 11:20.51 | mk8_virtual | kulve: at the last I run fakeroot apt-get dist-upgrade but if I try to run "dpkg-query -l | grep maemo-sdk-meta" I obtain the 3.1-1 version and not the 3.2 ... |
| 11:21.14 | mk8_virtual | it is this correct? I suppose no |
| 11:23.04 | kulve | mk8_virtual: I'm not sure |
| 11:23.18 | kulve | I can't access my SB target now to verify |
| 11:23.24 | mk8_virtual | :( |
| 11:23.50 | kulve | but it shouldn't be a big deal. I think the differencies weren't that big in those SDKs |
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| 11:26.56 | xorAxAx | hmm, is there no ntp* package for maemo? |
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| 11:35.24 | kulve | seems so |
| 11:36.05 | kulve | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=472 |
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| 11:42.57 | tso | hmm, the 770 browser using microb is anything but stable imo... |
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| 12:45.57 | Ionakka | <xorAxAx> hmm, is there no ntp* package for maemo? <--- standard debian one should work fine (after rebuild for armel) |
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| 12:47.20 | xorAxAx | Ionakka: ok, any how to for the build-env? |
| 12:49.19 | kulve | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial_bora.html#settingup |
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| 12:53.29 | Ionakka | http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/ntpdate <--- just get the source package (tarball and debian diff), extract it under sbox and run dpkg-buildpackage |
| 12:54.13 | Ionakka | you might need to change the section from debian/control |
| 12:58.12 | xorAxAx | Ionakka: yeah |
| 12:58.19 | xorAxAx | does my 770 run maemo 3? |
| 12:58.43 | kulve | Ionakka: maybe one should go to a directory outside sb (that is seen inside properly too), and write "apt-get source ntp" (in debian env). Then inside sb one writes "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot". If the ntp package is installed with apt-get or App.mgr in red pill mode, no section modification is needed |
| 12:58.48 | kulve | xorAxAx: nope |
| 12:59.21 | xorAxAx | then i should use the 2.2 tutorial? :) |
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| 12:59.42 | kulve | yeah |
| 12:59.48 | xorAxAx | kulve: sounds straightforward, ok :) |
| 13:00.50 | Ionakka | kulve: i know that, but it is a good idea to make the package installable for even those who doesn't know anything about red pill modes |
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| 13:01.11 | Ionakka | but again, i guess there isn't so many people who is not able to use dpkg but are able to ues ntpdate :D |
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| 13:14.56 | MoRpHeUz | renatofilho: ping |
| 13:16.08 | xorAxAx | Ionakka: i would use the command line |
| 13:16.17 | xorAxAx | and not this weird package manager :) |
| 13:16.28 | renatofilho | hi MoRpHeUz |
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| 13:21.58 | sciboy | Does IT2007 come with a good file manager? I use directories to sort and filter information during my day, and I rely heavily on easily dragging and dropping them, as well as being able to pop that information open quickly. |
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| 13:22.17 | kulve | sciboy: noy |
| 13:22.18 | kulve | no |
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| 13:22.36 | sciboy | Is there any additional applications that do the job? |
| 13:23.08 | kulve | I think gpe/whatever has a filemanager? |
| 13:23.21 | sciboy | http://gpe.linuxtogo.org/projects/gpe-filemanager.shtml |
| 13:23.38 | sciboy | Looks pretty basic though. |
| 13:23.47 | kulve | and the built-in FM can do drag'n'drop.. It's pretty much the same as in it2006, if you ahve used it.. |
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| 13:24.27 | sciboy | I haven't, I'm really on the border about getting an n800 at least until they make an Australian release. |
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| 13:27.56 | sciboy | At minimum, I need two columns (or windows) the folder I have open and a list of folders I can drag the files to. |
| 13:35.28 | kulve | I think you need to select the files you want by dragging over them, then select copy from menu, then find the destination folder and select copy from menu.. |
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| 13:42.05 | erstazi | what is that app that gives you two statusbars of processor and ram and does screen shots? |
| 13:42.06 | erstazi | I forgot |
| 13:42.42 | erstazi | _Monkey: screen shot? |
| 13:42.43 | _Monkey | no idea, erstazi |
| 13:43.30 | kulve | erstazi: you want the bars too, or only the screen shot thing? |
| 13:44.17 | erstazi | kulve: both, I had it before but I forgot the bloody name |
| 13:44.45 | kulve | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/load-applet/ |
| 13:44.46 | kulve | that? |
| 13:45.13 | erstazi | kulve: haha thank you, I just found it in my repos when I was looking through |
| 13:45.58 | erstazi | kulve: my problem is I didn't make a backup before I flashed, I did some bad compiles one late night when drunk |
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| 13:46.02 | erstazi | kulve: thank you again |
| 13:46.08 | kulve | np :) |
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| 13:47.48 | erstazi | load applet? |
| 13:47.49 | _Monkey | load applet is, like, an application that provides a status bar plugin that shows the CPU load and memory usage. It has a small menu that allows for easy screen-shot taking. https://garage.maemo.org/projects/load-applet/ |
| 13:47.53 | erstazi | ok |
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| 14:01.41 | tso | i would love to have seen a load applet with both "task manager" and run dialog. right now its either one or the other... |
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| 14:19.31 | Blacksitox | buenos dias |
| 14:20.26 | erstazi | Blacksitox: Guten Tag. |
| 14:20.41 | Blacksitox | hello erstazi |
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| 15:29.30 | timeless | so, who's alive here? |
| 15:29.43 | timeless | i'm looking for ~5 people |
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| 15:30.57 | timeless | konttori_: ping |
| 15:31.04 | konttori_ | hi |
| 15:31.04 | _Monkey | privet, konttori_ |
| 15:31.17 | timeless | are you familiar w/ bugzilla? |
| 15:31.39 | timeless | and do you have a small amount of time to help people here w/ it? |
| 15:32.04 | timeless | i've kinda limited what people can do to bugs they don't own, and am going to direct people here when bugzilla whines |
| 15:32.13 | konttori_ | Sure. |
| 15:32.16 | timeless | but i need some people here to empower the good people |
| 15:32.24 | timeless | ok, cna you /msg me your bugmail address |
| 15:32.57 | timeless | (typing is hard, i'm going to a movie... hp) |
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| 15:34.17 | konttori_ | did you get the message? |
| 15:34.24 | timeless | no |
| 15:34.30 | luisv | hey, all- are there known problems with flasher + latest OS2007 + fedora 7? |
| 15:34.32 | konttori_ | ah. damn. a sec |
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| 15:35.06 | timeless | got it |
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| 15:35.31 | luisv | flasher is just crapping out for me instead of doing the upgrade, which is making it hard for me to play with microb :) |
| 15:36.02 | timeless | yeah |
| 15:36.05 | timeless | hold on, |
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| 15:36.24 | timeless | luisv: um, i presume you're root? |
| 15:36.29 | luisv | yup |
| 15:36.31 | timeless | are you using a hub? |
| 15:36.32 | luisv | well, sudo |
| 15:36.36 | luisv | nope, no hub |
| 15:36.44 | luisv | same USB ports that have worked for past upgrades |
| 15:36.52 | luisv | but obviously newer kernel, etc., since last upgrade |
| 15:37.09 | timeless | sorry, i'm a software guy :) |
| 15:37.18 | timeless | konttori_: ok, log into bugzilla |
| 15:37.23 | timeless | at the bottom, you should see a new item |
| 15:37.24 | luisv | well, it is probably a software problem, just not yours ;) |
| 15:37.52 | konttori_ | users? |
| 15:37.55 | timeless | konttori_: my blog will go up in a few minutes |
| 15:37.55 | timeless | yeah |
| 15:38.16 | konttori_ | ahh... cool |
| 15:38.17 | timeless | basically if you think a person has written good bugs, or has written helpful comments and indicates a reaosnable understand |
| 15:38.24 | timeless | feel free to give out those two bits |
| 15:38.27 | bherrmann | hi. Anybody had any luck getting a USB Mouse working with the 770 ? |
| 15:38.28 | timeless | editbugs is slightly more useflu |
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| 15:38.41 | timeless | atm everyone has canconfirm, but they're going to lose it shortly |
| 15:40.21 | konttori_ | I just added one guy canconfirm. (tim samoff) |
| 15:42.34 | timeless | fwiw, it's possible to see a log of who did what to each person |
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| 15:42.42 | timeless | bugzilla is fairly good about that :) |
| 15:42.51 | timeless | anyway, i'm off to my movie |
| 15:43.05 | timeless | the blog post should be up now |
| 15:43.14 | timeless | not sure how long it'll take before it hits planet |
| 15:43.29 | timeless | i'll probably drop the canconfirm default bit from everyone when i get back from the movie := |
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| 15:50.17 | timelE61i | anyway, at this point, for people you can think of, just give out editbugs |
| 15:50.59 | timelE61i | for people you don't know as well, but who file a couple of good bugs, grant canconfirm |
| 15:51.15 | timelE61i | and you can give them editbugs later |
| 15:52.02 | timelE61i | the problem i have is that i need people to use guided form |
| 15:52.20 | timelE61i | and to do that, they can't have either bit |
| 15:52.48 | timelE61i | but w/o editbugs, people can't reassign bugs... |
| 16:01.18 | timelE61i | heh, i'm already buried on planet.mozilla.org |
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| 16:08.34 | timelE61i | konttori: see channel log :( |
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| 16:11.28 | konttori_ | what do you mean? |
| 16:11.49 | konttori_ | ahh... you mean the change log for the edit bugs access |
| 16:19.01 | timelE61i | I wrote a bunch of lines assuming you were here |
| 16:19.42 | timelE61i | instead of repeating, which is hard over this phone, you should pull today's log from the webserver |
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| 16:27.58 | timelE61i | movie starts in 4 if you have q's, ask now ;) |
| 16:28.33 | timelE61i | melmoth: what's your bugmail address' |
| 16:30.34 | sbz | hello |
| 16:30.34 | _Monkey | que tal, sbz |
| 16:37.12 | sbz | _Monkey: voy bien, pero no puedo seguir hablando a un bot irc;) |
| 16:37.12 | _Monkey | sbz: what? |
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| 16:39.52 | timelE61i | lol |
| 16:47.42 | bluehash | load -applet |
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| 17:28.54 | lardman | evening all |
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| 17:33.39 | lardman | I'm suffering from brain-fade trying to copy various bits of memory, anyone willing to look at some code and see what's wrong? |
| 17:34.57 | lardman | http://pastebin.com/d46ef2075 |
| 17:35.28 | lardman | the memset alters the memory, but I can't write to it as an array, i.e. shmem[i] |
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| 17:38.59 | lardman | hmm, staring right at me, what a muppet I am |
| 17:40.24 | tko | nice 'for' :) |
| 17:42.22 | lardman | exactly |
| 17:42.48 | lardman | been a long day of shopping with the gf, adds to the brain-fade :) |
| 17:44.38 | lardman | On the positive side I've now grasped how to share memory between the DSP and ARM |
| 17:44.49 | tko | shopping while you could be coding? pfft... :) |
| 17:46.03 | lardman | It was to be a fifo, but the pipeline stalled |
| 17:46.53 | lardman | and my dinner is being cooked for me, so I can't complain |
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| 17:56.02 | lardman | good good, all working, email to follow |
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| 18:14.46 | pskr | anybody there? |
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| 18:15.42 | pskr | was anybody able to build microb-engine on scratchbox? |
| 18:18.18 | `0660 | i'm here |
| 18:19.33 | `0660 | and i'm pretty sure someone has been able to build it as i have it working on my n800 :) |
| 18:20.38 | pskr | :-) I am trying to build microb-engine (mozilla based browser) on debain/scratchbox after checking out the source from SVN (as mentioned in the website) |
| 18:21.13 | pskr | anyway.. do you know how big is it? |
| 18:21.28 | `0660 | not really |
| 18:21.40 | `0660 | why? :) |
| 18:21.44 | `0660 | do you know? |
| 18:22.22 | pskr | nope. just to see if I need to upgrade my memory |
| 18:23.22 | `0660 | what do you mean by the size? |
| 18:23.34 | `0660 | size of the sources? |
| 18:23.42 | `0660 | runtime memory usage? |
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| 18:23.50 | pskr | I mean.. how much disk space i takes. |
| 18:23.54 | pskr | it |
| 18:24.07 | pskr | runtime also would be useful |
| 18:24.29 | `0660 | try du -h <microb> |
| 18:29.00 | pskr | thanx, but I do not have my n800 handy. do u? |
| 18:30.04 | kulve | lardman|supper: wb. I tried to take some timings. It seems to take 0.70ms to write 16bits to dsp and read it back using global buffers. Sending hundreds of bytes takes about 0.03ms more, so it doesn't really matter how much you are sending. With private buffers the latency seemed to be 0.1ms higher. But these are very unscientific.. |
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| 18:59.52 | lardman | kulve: Good, I was wondering about timings |
| 19:00.30 | lardman | kulve: Take a look at my latest email, re. shared memory |
| 19:00.45 | timelE61i | pskr: slightly larger than mozilla... |
| 19:00.46 | kulve | lardman: are you able to do arithmetic with pointers? I got very weird results if I try.. |
| 19:01.06 | lardman | kulve: your findings would be worth an email to the list to save them for posterity |
| 19:01.16 | timelE61i | i can check later, but practically speaking you want a 2gb playpen |
| 19:01.23 | lardman | kulve: Not sure I've tried, what kind of things were you seeing? |
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| 19:02.26 | kulve | like: (unsigned long)end_ptr - (unsigned long)start_ptr == 10, even though I know it's 7500.. |
| 19:03.13 | jaharkes | shouldn't that cast be to "intptr_t" |
| 19:03.34 | kulve | jaharkes: on dsp? |
| 19:04.08 | jaharkes | sorry I just walked in, missed the actual conversation but saw the (unsigned long) casts of pointers |
| 19:05.17 | kulve | Talked about code running on the n800's dsp side and weird stuff happening there (like a pointer being 23bits and byte 16bits).. |
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| 19:06.22 | qgil | today I've meet.... the creator of IRC! |
| 19:06.35 | jaharkes | kulve: ah, yeah that can be messy |
| 19:06.45 | qgil | (in fact it was the second time I met him) |
| 19:06.48 | zeenix | qgil: where? |
| 19:06.56 | zeenix | qgil: who? |
| 19:06.56 | kulve | lardman: anyway, I rewrote the memory allocation functions and they seem to print more logical values now |
| 19:07.07 | qgil | in my little office, sitting in my desk |
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| 19:07.42 | qgil | zeenix: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jarkko_Oikarinen |
| 19:08.12 | kulve | lardman: and the best part: I've run the speec encoder now four times in a row successfully without jams :) |
| 19:08.35 | lardman | kulve: No, I've not done anything like that, but thanks for the heads up |
| 19:08.41 | kulve | zeenix: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1459.txt. Don't give wikipedia pointers when you give point to rfcs ;) |
| 19:09.05 | lardman | kulve: I wanted to sort out the shared memory stuff before I attack the tremor allocation code, etc. |
| 19:09.21 | kulve | lardman: and yes, I ofc did read your mail ;) |
| 19:09.31 | kulve | lardman: the allocation part is very simple.. |
| 19:09.34 | lardman | kulve: Congrats on running Speex, how did you relsove your jam? |
| 19:09.35 | zeenix | kulve: i know what IRC is :) |
| 19:09.45 | qgil | kulve: in fact the first result was http://www.mirc.co.uk/help/jarkko2.txt |
| 19:10.05 | kulve | zeenix: why did you ask then ;) |
| 19:10.19 | zeenix | kulve: i asked who did that :) |
| 19:10.42 | kulve | lardman: poll_disable(task); |
| 19:10.56 | qgil | well, it just happens this guy that created the first IRC server and client back in 1988 knows very well the tablets, since he is working in this project as well |
| 19:10.58 | kulve | lardman: I'm a bit surprised if it's because of that, but currently it seems to be.. |
| 19:11.02 | zeenix | kulve: not how IRC works :) |
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| 19:11.03 | qgil | I feel like honored |
| 19:11.16 | lardman | kulve: I'm going to need to use that, the way I'm planing to run Tremor is horrid |
| 19:11.20 | kulve | lardman: I tried the poll_exclude before and that didn't help.. |
| 19:11.52 | lardman | is exclude the temporary one and disable the permanent one? |
| 19:12.10 | kulve | lardman: I shouldn't be needing that.. I don't know why it get's stucked without that. It seems that my task asks for a new data and get POLL request and then everything is messed up |
| 19:12.36 | kulve | lardman: disable is the 10sec temporary. I call it always in my encode which takes about 22ms currently |
| 19:12.56 | kulve | lardman: it takes >40ms without any -oX options to gcc and 22ms with -o3 .. |
| 19:13.14 | kulve | lardman: and it the same thing on arm side too with speex |
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| 19:15.07 | kulve | lardman: in other words, currently the speex doesn't do encoding in relatime |
| 19:15.10 | kulve | realtime |
| 19:15.22 | lardman | next step is profiling then I suppose |
| 19:15.42 | lardman | the Ti tools have ways of doing that, no idea what one would use with dspgateway |
| 19:16.01 | lardman | speaking of which, how were you doing debugging of the dsp tasks? |
| 19:16.21 | Robot101 | anyone got experience with upgrades between 3.1 and 3.2 going horribly wrong because the sbox devkit doesn't seem to provide pkg-config even though it's meant to? |
| 19:16.28 | lardman | Did I see you mention a recompiled kernel? |
| 19:16.28 | Robot101 | (ps: gahrgahrgarahrhagr) |
| 19:16.35 | gw280 | Robot101: erm |
| 19:16.40 | Robot101 | PLEASE MIND THE GAP BETWEEN THE SDK AND REALITY |
| 19:16.48 | gw280 | Robot101: you need to install it with the installation script instead of the tarball |
| 19:16.53 | gw280 | Robot101: then run apt-get upgrade |
| 19:17.24 | Robot101 | oh i didn't actually finish folowing the instructions |
| 19:17.24 | Robot101 | my bad |
| 19:17.25 | Robot101 | :D |
| 19:17.35 | kulve | lardman: I think I don't need to do any profiling, since those are very nicely handled in speex already. All operations (mult, mac, etc) are already in their own functions which can be written in inline asm for the cpu in their own header |
| 19:17.56 | lardman | kulve: On the DSP-side? |
| 19:18.55 | kulve | lardman: I mean they are written in asm for e.g. armv4, armv5, blackfin, etc. Now somebody just need to write them for tms320c55 :) |
| 19:19.06 | qgil | timelE6: what planet? Earth? |
| 19:19.32 | timelyx | maemo |
| 19:19.57 | qgil | [semi-off-topic] any happy Exaile user around? |
| 19:20.05 | qgil | timelyx: share, please |
| 19:20.15 | kulve | lardman: and yes. I compiled the kernel with mbox debugs (and with included ext2&3). I can provide it to you, if you like. It's easily replaceable with flasher |
| 19:20.21 | lardman | kulve: Take a look at the dsplib |
| 19:20.30 | lardman | kulve: yes, that would be useful |
| 19:20.43 | timelyx | qgil: i looked earlier and didn't see my news article |
| 19:20.46 | timelyx | but i saw leonid's |
| 19:20.56 | timelyx | i looked just now, and saw mine listed as older than leonid's |
| 19:21.06 | Robot101 | no, wait. eh. |
| 19:21.10 | timelyx | pskr: |
| 19:21.14 | timelyx | [sanjay]$ du -s -h */trunk |
| 19:21.14 | timelyx | 3.0M browser-ui/trunk |
| 19:21.14 | timelyx | 143M mozilla/trunk |
| 19:21.16 | kulve | lardman: what about dsplib? |
| 19:21.41 | gw280 | Robot101: if you try to run dist-upgrade inside a maemo 3.1 sdk set up by installing the rootstrap, it fails |
| 19:21.51 | timelyx | [sanjay]$ ls -lh mozilla/trunk/microb-engine/microb-engine_1.0.3.orig.tar.gz |
| 19:21.51 | timelyx | -rw-r--r-- 1 timeless pg922508 48M 2007-07-12 07:34 mozilla/trunk/microb-engine/microb-engine_1.0.3.orig.tar.gz |
| 19:21.57 | gw280 | Robot101: if you do it on a maemo 3.1 installed using the installation script, it works |
| 19:22.01 | Robot101 | gw280: there seems to be some extra step where you make packages using equivs |
| 19:22.03 | timelyx | that little archive expands to be the biggest part of things |
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| 19:22.08 | lardman | kulve: Rather than jumping straight to ASM |
| 19:22.08 | qgil | timelyx: I think the garage cron (or whatever) was a bit weak today, last night and this morning wouldn't generate new feeds although the garage news were in the frontpage |
| 19:22.08 | Robot101 | gw280: but I can't see what the script does that's so magic |
| 19:22.15 | gw280 | Robot101: heh |
| 19:22.20 | gw280 | Robot101: :( |
| 19:22.44 | kulve | lardman: ah, yes. I think those asm parts can be taken from somewhere (cut'n'paste from ti's site or from dsplib..) |
| 19:22.47 | kulve | lardman: http://tuomas.kulve.fi/tmp/zImage |
| 19:22.54 | kulve | lardman: I hope that's the one ;) |
| 19:23.33 | kulve | lardman: any way, you can easily restore the old original kernel with flasher if you have any problems with that one |
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| 19:24.10 | pskr | timelyx: Have you built microb-engine? |
| 19:24.14 | pskr | on debian? |
| 19:24.46 | timelyx | pskr: um, i'm only the architect for the monstrocity |
| 19:24.50 | timelyx | shall we pretend i havne't? |
| 19:25.38 | pskr | I followed the instructions on the http://browser.garage.maemo.org/docs/build_howto.html |
| 19:25.55 | Robot101 | gw280: oh, ugh. |
| 19:27.06 | pskr | I got it from SVN and apt-get build-dep failed. Then I tried ./build_non_deb.sh, but it fails for libIDL, even though I installed libidl-dev, quilt, bc |
| 19:27.16 | timelyx | pskr: garage seems dead |
| 19:27.22 | timelyx | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/source/browser/www/docs/build_howto.html |
| 19:27.23 | timelyx | is what i'm reading |
| 19:27.50 | timelyx | pastebin.mozilla.org |
| 19:27.54 | timelyx | if you have an error, paste it |
| 19:27.59 | pupnik_ | I feel more patriotic about my operating system than my country. Hmm... |
| 19:28.47 | lardman | kulve: Thanks, I've grabbed it, will try flashing later |
| 19:29.07 | pupnik_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:29.30 | lardman | hi pupnik_ |
| 19:29.42 | pupnik_ | hi trying to catch up on your recent typing |
| 19:30.02 | lardman | had some interesting conversations with Nokia re the direction of DSP developement |
| 19:30.12 | pskr | [sbox-SDK_ARMEL: ~/microb-engine/microb-engine] > fakeroot apt-get build-dep microb-engine |
| 19:30.12 | pskr | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 19:30.12 | pskr | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 19:30.12 | pskr | E: Unable to find a source package for microb-engine |
| 19:30.28 | lardman | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/1183357408.html and http://freedesktop.org/wiki/GstOpenMAX |
| 19:30.31 | timelyx | pskr: a pastebin is a web server into which you paste things |
| 19:30.37 | timelyx | it returns with a url which you share |
| 19:30.38 | timelyx | the goal is to avoid flooding irc |
| 19:31.31 | lardman | Anyway, time to go, will be back on tomorrow |
| 19:31.34 | lardman | night all |
| 19:31.36 | pskr | sorry. I am new to this chat room. |
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| 19:32.29 | pupnik_ | pskr: i don't know - i usually use apt-get source <packagename> to grab it |
| 19:33.00 | timelyx | pupnik_: he has the sources |
| 19:33.03 | timelyx | from svn |
| 19:33.09 | timelyx | the trick is he's trying to use build-dep |
| 19:33.12 | pupnik_ | well build-deb |
| 19:33.21 | pupnik_ | p |
| 19:33.23 | timelyx | and needs to tell it "for the current directory" |
| 19:33.31 | timelyx | i think i might do something like apt-get build-dep . |
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| 19:34.46 | timelyx | pskr: generally, i wouldn't mix using apt-get w/ an svn creature |
| 19:35.20 | timelyx | personally, i'd simply apt-get install the things listed in debian/control as depends |
| 19:35.26 | timelyx | because i'm not a debian hacker by nature |
| 19:36.37 | pskr | pupnik_: apt-get source does not work and fails with same error. May be microb-engine is not available as pkg? |
| 19:37.00 | timelyx | if you wanted to try to make apt-get build-dep happy, you could ask dpkg-buildpackage or whatever to build the source package from the directory you're in |
| 19:37.00 | gw280 | Robot101: ugh? |
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| 19:37.32 | pskr | timelyx: I have no specific preference. I am just following instructions in that web page. May be the info on that page is not accurate. |
| 19:37.35 | timelyx | but you could also just add the repository that has the debs into your /etc/apt/sources.list ... |
| 19:37.37 | pupnik_ | i didn't know you were using svn. when compiling from svn/cvs i use dpkg-buildpackage -r fakeroot |
| 19:38.09 | pupnik_ | in the root directory of the app (the one containing debian directory) |
| 19:38.15 | timelyx | pupnik_: he needs the build-deps first |
| 19:38.26 | pupnik_ | i install those by hand |
| 19:38.39 | timelyx | that's what i do :) |
| 19:39.29 | timelyx | i think the instructions are wrong |
| 19:39.37 | timelyx | i'll kick romaxa tomorrow morning |
| 19:40.48 | pskr | timelyx: svn co https://garage.maemo.org/svn/browser/mozilla/trunk/microb-engine -- for this what would you guess I should add to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:41.21 | pskr | will it be some thing like deb-src https://garage.maemo.org/svn/browser/mozilla/trunk/ microb-engine |
| 19:41.34 | timelyx | no |
| 19:42.03 | timelyx | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras bora free non-free |
| 19:42.17 | timelyx | you don't need sources |
| 19:42.52 | timelyx | it should be sufficient for apt to have access to the control file in the package |
| 19:42.58 | timelyx | maybe add the equivalent deb-src line |
| 19:43.02 | pskr | I already have it in my sources.list. I am trying to get the sources and build it myself. |
| 19:43.16 | timelyx | so add deb-src w/ that |
| 19:43.25 | timelyx | it should work |
| 19:43.44 | pskr | I have deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ bora free already. |
| 19:43.56 | timelyx | that's not the same |
| 19:44.02 | timelyx | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.26 | pskr | Oh.. I will try that. |
| 19:44.33 | pskr | :-) |
| 19:44.45 | timelyx | trick: just clone deb binary lines and ad -src |
| 19:44.55 | timelyx | don't try to figure out if you already have something |
| 19:47.29 | Robot101 | gw280: the installer script makes a load of pretend packages with cat, tar and ar, and installs them :P |
| 19:57.04 | pskr | timelyx: thank you. that worked and I got the sources. but fakeroot apt-get build-dep fails saying it could not find libidl-dev, which I installed already (not thru scratchbox though) |
| 19:57.23 | timelyx | um |
| 19:57.28 | timelyx | you "can't do that" |
| 19:57.39 | timelyx | either don't use apt for build-dep |
| 19:57.41 | timelyx | or don't go around it |
| 19:57.55 | timelyx | personally, as a mozilla developer, i don't use apt if i can avoid it |
| 19:59.11 | timelyx | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/source/browser/mozilla/trunk/libidl/ |
| 19:59.19 | timelyx | if you did a svn co of everything |
| 19:59.22 | timelyx | you should have that too |
| 19:59.33 | timelyx | just build the package from there |
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| 20:00.27 | timelyx | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/source/browser/mozilla/trunk/libidl/debian/control |
| 20:00.37 | timelyx | anyway, that definitely includes libidl-dev |
| 20:01.14 | erstazi | timelyx: you like aptitude? |
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| 20:01.22 | timelyx | erstazi: it works better than apt |
| 20:01.28 | timelyx | but other than that, no |
| 20:01.30 | erstazi | timelyx: of course |
| 20:01.45 | erstazi | I use it sometimes |
| 20:01.53 | timelyx | when i try bootstrapping w/ apt it tends to fail |
| 20:02.23 | timelyx | aptitude worked better the last time i triedi t |
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| 20:14.47 | pskr | timelyx: what did you say "I can;t do"? OK. I will remove libidl-dev thru aptitude and do apt-get install libidl-dev, but It is failing again. |
| 20:15.33 | pskr | I do not want to use svn one, as I got the sources thru apt-get source. |
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| 20:16.55 | DrDabbles | I have a few questions about my new 770. First off, I bricked it. When it boots, just as it's about to draw the home screen, it reboots. Anybody have links to recovery processes? |
| 20:17.19 | pupnik_ | i've seen that happen, then it works on reboot |
| 20:17.23 | DrDabbles | Also, is it worth running the 2007 hacker edition, or should I just stick with the stock firmware? |
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| 20:18.00 | DrDabbles | pupnik_: This has rebooted several times. I've even removed the battery and tried again, to no avail. |
| 20:19.01 | pupnik_ | 2007he felt slicker to me |
| 20:19.16 | pupnik_ | but more problems |
| 20:19.19 | jaharkes | DrDabbles: any idea what change you made that caused it to brick. In any case, I would try to leave it on the charger for a couple of minutes and retry the boot while it is on the charger, just in case you battery is close to empty |
| 20:19.26 | DrDabbles | Slicker = faster, or slicker = cooler? |
| 20:19.51 | pupnik_ | slightly cooler and faster/slower in different things |
| 20:20.17 | pupnik_ | but more of a fun thing to try than a stable platform |
| 20:20.34 | pupnik_ | 2007he? |
| 20:20.44 | erstazi | pupnik_: what problems did you mainly have? |
| 20:20.45 | DrDabbles | jaharkes: my battery indicator was completely full. I'd installed a few packages like mweather, then rebooted because I hadn't done so since installing Canola |
| 20:21.32 | pupnik_ | package headaches and some apps not working stably |
| 20:24.04 | jaharkes | DrDabbles: possibly a bad application (or bad install). reflashing is your best option. |
| 20:24.25 | DrDabbles | Damn. *lol* |
| 20:25.01 | DrDabbles | Well, if I have to reflash anyway, does anybody have any firmwares they suggest? |
| 20:25.34 | pupnik_ | for 770? |
| 20:25.43 | DrDabbles | Yeah, 770 |
| 20:26.08 | pupnik_ | latest 2006 |
| 20:26.11 | jaharkes | DrDabbles: reflashing is reasonably painless, the howtos are on the maemo wiki. the advantage is that you get a fresh start, the disadvantage is that it is a fresh start and you have to go through the whole setup/customization again |
| 20:27.34 | DrDabbles | Are there any popular custom rolled images? |
| 20:28.24 | jaharkes | DrDabbles: my 770 is running os 2006 version 3.2006.49-2 and hasn't had any serious issues (besides avahi daemon going into 100% cpu mode on our campus wireless). |
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| 20:28.28 | timelyx | pskr: oh, you used aptitude to install libidl-dev? |
| 20:28.37 | timelyx | sorry, i missed that part |
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| 20:31.03 | pupnik_ | i don't know of any custom rolled images for the flasher available for download DrDabbles |
| 20:31.40 | DrDabbles | pupnik_: Cool. Thanks! |
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| 20:32.45 | timelyx | pskr: i'm really confused |
| 20:32.48 | timelyx | what sources did you get w/ apt-get source |
| 20:32.52 | timelyx | and what did you do with them? |
| 20:33.31 | timelyx | qgil: ping |
| 20:33.39 | timelyx | qgil: can i declassify the mistral bugs? :) |
| 20:33.46 | timelyx | it seems a bit silly to keep them |
| 20:34.18 | pskr | timelyx: sorry. I got microb-engine sources with apt-get source within scratchbox |
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| 20:35.23 | pskr | timelyx: I installed libidl-dev, quilt, bc etc. using aptitude (thats what I meant by - not thru scratchbox) |
| 20:36.35 | timelyx | ok, that's confusing, but ok |
| 20:36.55 | pskr | but while doing fakeroot apt-get build-dep microb-engine, it says libidl-dev package not found. |
| 20:37.08 | timelyx | i'm confused |
| 20:37.15 | timelyx | why would you try doing build-dep |
| 20:37.22 | timelyx | if you've already installed all the build deps |
| 20:38.00 | pskr | I was not sure if I installed all of them. |
| 20:38.29 | timelyx | dpkg -L libidl-dev ? |
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| 20:43.32 | timelyx | qgil: https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&field0-0-0=bug_group&type0-0-0=notequals&value0-0-0=0 |
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| 20:52.59 | NeoStrider | can you guys tell me whats the bogomips for your units? |
| 20:53.32 | pupnik_ | 125 |
| 20:54.49 | NeoStrider | 770? |
| 20:54.50 | _Monkey | i think 770 is far superior for non-gaming... but the gp2x is hands down the best gaming handheld i ever owned |
| 20:55.17 | timelyx | _Monkey forget 770 |
| 20:55.18 | _Monkey | timelyx: I forgot 770 |
| 20:55.20 | timelyx | _Monkey 770 is <reply> |
| 20:55.21 | _Monkey | OK, timelyx. |
| 20:55.40 | pupnik_ | ywea |
| 20:56.46 | NeoStrider | 770? |
| 20:56.57 | NeoStrider | _Monkey? |
| 20:56.58 | _Monkey | NeoStrider? |
| 20:57.36 | NeoStrider | _Monkey: 770? |
| 20:57.37 | _Monkey | neostrider: i haven't a clue |
| 20:57.46 | NeoStrider | good =-P |
| 20:57.57 | NeoStrider | pupnik_: 125 bogos on a 770? |
| 20:58.39 | pupnik_ | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 20:58.39 | pupnik_ | Processor : ARM926EJ-Sid(wb) rev 3 (v5l) |
| 20:58.39 | pupnik_ | BogoMIPS : 125.76 |
| 20:59.04 | NeoStrider | good =-) |
| 20:59.10 | NeoStrider | anyone with a N800? |
| 20:59.27 | pupnik_ | n800 has about 240 or so iirc |
| 20:59.32 | NeoStrider | (is there any api function to query this information?) |
| 20:59.49 | timelyx | 320 |
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| 21:01.04 | pupnik_ | oh yeah ... NeoStrider uname -m will give you cpu info, but uname -p says 'unknown' |
| 21:01.08 | NeoStrider | 320! =-O |
| 21:01.29 | NeoStrider | i mean from a C app |
| 21:02.31 | pupnik_ | there should be a way to see /proc/cpuinfo from c |
| 21:03.11 | NeoStrider | (other than reading a file, of course ;-) ) |
| 21:03.14 | timelyx | fopen :) |
| 21:04.16 | pupnik_ | you have 770 - that's good. Once it runs fast on a 770 it will run fast on a N800 |
| 21:05.48 | NeoStrider | yeah...it runs great in a N800 , from what I heard |
| 21:05.50 | NeoStrider | but i was a long time ago |
| 21:06.03 | NeoStrider | so I dont know about the newest release |
| 21:07.14 | pupnik_ | when i first saw my friend's 3d engine i thought 'this is never going to work fast enough' but he got it running on a p2 |
| 21:09.02 | timelyx | hrm |
| 21:09.04 | timelyx | lle2: ping |
| 21:10.42 | erstazi | the serial in /proc/cpuinfo is the same serial as on the label right |
| 21:10.43 | erstazi | ? |
| 21:12.59 | timelyx | what label? |
| 21:13.27 | timelyx | i have what looks like an n800, but the serial in cpuinfo doesn't seem likely |
| 21:16.17 | NeoStrider | my serial doesnt match the label, I guess |
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| 21:18.44 | pskr | timelyx: I tried dpkg-buildpackage, but got these errors. http://pastebin.com/m67d6c349 |
| 21:19.23 | timelyx | so whose libidl did you install, and which version, and how? |
| 21:19.42 | timelyx | you do need *someone's* |
| 21:20.28 | pskr | i re-installed thru aptitude install libidl-dev. I did the same for quilt, bc |
| 21:20.50 | timelyx | what version? |
| 21:20.54 | timelyx | and pastebin what it provides |
| 21:21.03 | pskr | If I try the same within scratchbox, it is cribbing. |
| 21:21.04 | pskr | OK |
| 21:21.05 | timelyx | dpkg -L or -l or something |
| 21:21.17 | timelyx | i'm confused |
| 21:21.26 | timelyx | where precisely arey ou doing this aptitude stuff |
| 21:21.34 | timelyx | on the host or in scratchbox? |
| 21:21.41 | timelyx | you can't do it on host if you expect things to work |
| 21:21.44 | pskr | on the host |
| 21:21.54 | timelyx | you can run aptitude in the scratchbox if you're so inclined |
| 21:21.59 | pskr | OK. but in scratchbox it is failing. |
| 21:22.33 | timelyx | arg |
| 21:22.40 | timelyx | what's wrong w/ the svn libidl i pointed to? |
| 21:22.48 | timelyx | it's part of the microb sources |
| 21:25.14 | pskr | how can I use that? [sorry I seem dumb] |
| 21:26.02 | timelyx | it's another deb source directory |
| 21:26.10 | timelyx | you buildpackage in it the same way you build package in microb-engine |
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| 21:29.19 | prodigel2 | Hi. I believe I'm on the wrong channel, but it's the closest one to what I search: discussions on nokia menus, particularry voice commands, and possible customisation. Are you aware of channels that could help me? |
| 21:29.31 | pskr | timelyx: so should I download the directory you pointed me to? I did apt-get source libidl-dev, but it fails. |
| 21:29.43 | timelyx | err |
| 21:29.47 | timelyx | what did you svn checkout? |
| 21:30.54 | pskr | OK OK. so you are saying do buildpackage in SVN's libidl. i will try that |
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| 21:32.28 | NeoStrider | cya folks |
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| 21:36.36 | pskr | timelyx: http://pastebin.com/me6130ba shows the things I tried and the error I am getting. |
| 21:37.42 | timelyx | yn |
| 21:37.47 | timelyx | apt-get install flex |
| 21:40.57 | pskr | E: Couldn't find package flex |
| 21:40.58 | pskr | . :-( Should I try it in host? I searched at the URL u sent, no flex there. |
| 21:42.03 | timelyx | not in host |
| 21:42.09 | timelyx | go find a debsrc for it |
| 21:42.15 | pskr | OK |
| 21:42.16 | timelyx | and build it in scratchbox |
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| 21:42.27 | timelyx | pretend you don't have a host |
| 21:42.32 | pskr | Will do. thanks. |
| 21:42.33 | timelyx | it'll make your life much simpler |
| 21:42.43 | timelyx | and given that it's 1am and i have a vacation to plan ... |
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| 21:45.36 | pupnik_ | i found flex somewhere |
| 21:45.41 | Gs | Hi from n770 |
| 21:45.44 | mvhtes1 | Anyone able to view this page in micro-b on N800 and confirm if drag scrolling works - it seems stuck in text select mode here: http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_2691913,00.html |
| 21:46.26 | timelyx | mvhtes1: did you disable flash? |
| 21:46.51 | pskr | pupnik_: do you remember where? |
| 21:46.55 | timelyx | or Milhous1, whichever |
| 21:47.00 | Milhous1 | Flash is enabled |
| 21:47.27 | Milhous1 | Drag scroll works for pages on other sites |
| 21:47.28 | pupnik_ | pksr it's in one of my repositories - some guy built it - want a PM? |
| 21:47.50 | Gs | Milhous1, how to!! |
| 21:48.00 | timelyx | Milhous1: so disable it |
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| 21:48.17 | Milhous1 | Just wanted confirmation before filing a bug, could be something wierd going on with that site |
| 21:48.28 | timelyx | don't file a bug before disabling flash |
| 21:48.33 | Milhous1 | OK hang on |
| 21:48.37 | timelyx | ok people, you're all losing canconfirm NNOW |
| 21:49.15 | pskr | pupnik: PM == personal mail? |
| 21:49.34 | timelyx | private messagfe |
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| 21:49.54 | pskr | pupnik: Sure. thanks. |
| 21:50.18 | pupnik | pm sent - it is in one of those repositories |
| 21:50.18 | GS_ | i can install flash on 770 version 8? |
| 21:50.20 | Milhous1 | timeless: disabling Flash made no difference |
| 21:50.29 | timelyx | Milhous1: ok |
| 21:50.37 | timelyx | be sure to note that when you file ... |
| 21:51.09 | Milhous1 | Timeless: Is it the same for you? |
| 21:51.55 | GS_ | what is yours group? |
| 21:51.57 | timelyx | Gs: huh? |
| 21:52.04 | GS_ | maemotube? |
| 21:52.05 | timelyx | there is no flash 8 for any maemo platform |
| 21:52.17 | GS_ | group fot develop flash...? |
| 21:52.37 | timelyx | anyone who buys a nokia n800 can install flash 9 on microb on a 770 running the latest os for it... |
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| 21:53.03 | pupnik | do sites require flash9? my old flash sites do not |
| 21:53.04 | milhouse | back at the desktop now... can't face filing a bug from the n800 itself :) |
| 21:53.13 | timelyx | milhouse: bah |
| 21:53.22 | timelyx | i did a major portion of the bugs.maemo.org reorg from my n800 |
| 21:53.50 | milhouse | my wrist hurts after a while on the sofa lying on my back with the n800 in the air :) |
| 21:53.54 | timelyx | milhouse: is this the left or right column? |
| 21:54.03 | timelyx | the right column has lots of iframes (or something like them) |
| 21:54.10 | milhouse | if i drag the text to scroll the page it just selects the text |
| 21:54.21 | milhouse | in the left column |
| 21:54.23 | milhouse | the main story |
| 21:54.33 | GS_ | timelyx, from http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/6/ ? |
| 21:54.49 | timelyx | gs: i wrote that article, yes |
| 21:54.55 | GS_ | ;) sure |
| 21:55.07 | GS_ | you are timeless ? |
| 21:55.50 | timelyx | yes |
| 21:55.57 | timelyx | and timelE61i |
| 21:55.58 | _Monkey | i guess timelE61i is well, your phone or timeless using a nokia e61i (blueberry) |
| 21:56.07 | timelyx | _Monkey, me? |
| 21:56.08 | _Monkey | somebody said timelyx was your mac, it has scrollback |
| 21:56.10 | GS_ | om ;) |
| 21:56.38 | timelyx | milhouse: that page is heavy |
| 21:56.44 | timelyx | did you wait for it to finish loading? |
| 21:56.47 | milhouse | yep |
| 21:57.00 | timelyx | please also try w/ js disabled :) |
| 21:57.01 | milhouse | didn't think it was that bad - i've seen worse |
| 21:57.07 | milhouse | ok, will try that now |
| 21:57.09 | timelyx | you're not using my cell phone |
| 21:57.21 | timelyx | my wifi router decided i didn't need to know the password |
| 21:57.26 | timelyx | so i can't use wifi from here :) |
| 21:57.47 | timelyx | ok, that page crashed my browser |
| 21:57.57 | milhouse | disabling js seems to have fixed it now - it drag scrolls |
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| 21:58.09 | timelyx | ok. well, um |
| 21:58.13 | milhouse | re-enabling and reloading... |
| 21:58.39 | timelyx | anyway, if you do file this bug, let's make an example out of it |
| 21:58.59 | timelyx | i.e. in your description, note that you encountered the problem, you tried disabling flash, the problem still happened |
| 21:59.05 | timelyx | you tried disabling javascript, the problem went away |
| 21:59.13 | milhouse | yep, js is the key |
| 21:59.23 | milhouse | um ok - don't shoot me though :) |
| 21:59.25 | timelyx | the next step of course, ideally is to save the page and cut out pieces of content |
| 21:59.39 | timelyx | you can try literally cutting the html file in half |
| 21:59.44 | timelyx | until the problem goes away/comes back |
| 21:59.50 | milhouse | they must be doing something silly with the dom? |
| 21:59.57 | timelyx | they could be |
| 22:00.14 | timelyx | anyway, ideally for problems like this, you end up w/ a single html file w/ < 50 lines |
| 22:00.21 | timelyx | and at most 1 js file w/ < 50 lines |
| 22:00.41 | milhouse | i'll have a go, but it could be legitimate (ie. not a bug) if the site is doing something stupid |
| 22:00.42 | timelyx | i'm perfectly fine w/ you attaching files to bugs.maemo as you go reducing the problem |
| 22:00.51 | timelyx | yeah |
| 22:00.56 | timelyx | i don't really mind |
| 22:01.02 | timelyx | as long as you show people how to analyze such bugs |
| 22:01.03 | timelyx | it's a win |
| 22:01.06 | milhouse | let me see what's in the page... |
| 22:01.20 | GS_ | microb work fine on 770? |
| 22:01.43 | timelyx | gs: it requires a newer version of the os than i run on my 770 :( |
| 22:01.55 | timelyx | and i haven't spent the time to fight the dependencies |
| 22:02.01 | GS_ | ouch |
| 22:02.28 | timelyx | i did it for 3.2007, but i don't really see much point in dealing w/ 2.2006 |
| 22:02.30 | pskr | pupnik: it was in http://repository.maemo.org gregale/free flex 2.5.31-31osso1 [274kB] [if you care] |
| 22:02.40 | timelyx | i might as well consider installing 2007he |
| 22:02.59 | pupnik | how did you find which repo contained it pskr? |
| 22:03.44 | GS_ | i'm downloading microb on OS06 770 |
| 22:04.33 | GS_ | 7,62M |
| 22:05.04 | pskr | pupnik: I added what you sent me to sources.list, apt-get update, apt-get install flex. the output showed the repo. |
| 22:05.31 | pupnik | ah ok thx |
| 22:05.53 | timelyx | pupnik: you should be able to use apt-cache policy or something |
| 22:06.13 | pupnik | apt-cache show or policy gives a hint but not the repo - just the dir |
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| 22:07.16 | pupnik | flex? |
| 22:07.17 | _Monkey | flex is (for 770) echo " http://repository.maemo.org gregale/free flex" >> /etc/apt/sources list && apt-get update && apt-get install flex |
| 22:07.39 | sp3000 | apt-cache showpkg gives you the /var/lib/apt/lists/ file that a version is found in, which ironically indicates more of the repo path |
| 22:07.50 | sp3000 | (along with a load of other cruft) |
| 22:08.13 | pupnik | thanks sp3000 |
| 22:08.13 | timelyx | sp3000; which reminds me |
| 22:10.33 | milhouse | that sky spage is a nigthmare to debug... most of the js has had the newlines stripped and some js is pulled in dynamically... eugh |
| 22:11.02 | GS_ | i installed microb but what is the exe? |
| 22:11.19 | timelyx | gs: the globe |
| 22:11.24 | GS_ | om |
| 22:11.29 | milhouse | they mess with some window events but the code has been obfuscated |
| 22:12.11 | timelyx | milhouse: yeah well |
| 22:12.38 | timelyx | milhouse: got a C compiler? |
| 22:12.41 | milhouse | i'm guessing this isn't strictly a bug, just a whacky web site |
| 22:12.47 | milhouse | sadly, no |
| 22:13.18 | timelyx | hrm |
| 22:13.21 | timelyx | this /might/ work |
| 22:13.23 | timelyx | try it: |
| 22:13.37 | timelyx | at the beginning of one of the js files, add: |
| 22:13.40 | timelyx | function z() { |
| 22:13.46 | timelyx | at the very end, add: |
| 22:13.46 | timelyx | } |
| 22:13.51 | timelyx | make an html file: |
| 22:14.59 | timelyx | <html><script src="evil.js"></script><script>window.location="data:text/plain,"+z;</script> |
| 22:15.18 | timelyx | that should give you something slightly less obfuscated |
| 22:15.27 | milhouse | ok, i'll have a go - thanks |
| 22:15.39 | timelyx | you can then copy out individual functions and try to get the same process to clean them up |
| 22:15.59 | milhouse | will it convert function name "aq" into something more meaningful? ;) |
| 22:16.05 | timelyx | sorry |
| 22:16.14 | milhouse | only kidding |
| 22:16.31 | timelyx | mostly it'll reinflate the code ... adding whitespace |
| 22:16.44 | milhouse | this is great... function names _A, _B, _C, _D... it's only a freaking sports news site |
| 22:16.51 | milhouse | what are they worried about |
| 22:16.53 | timelyx | it might be java |
| 22:17.01 | timelyx | ie gwt |
| 22:17.19 | milhouse | could be - says it's copyright WEBSIDESTORY INC. |
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| 22:17.29 | timelyx | but seriously, you can start by literally wiping out entire js files |
| 22:17.38 | timelyx | you shouldn't need to have to reverse engineer the whole thing |
| 22:17.38 | DaniloCesar | _Monkey, see Tony Maro |
| 22:17.39 | _Monkey | DaniloCesar: excuse me? |
| 22:17.40 | milhouse | though that's just one example out of about about 15 different js files |
| 22:17.42 | DaniloCesar | _Monkey, see Tony Maro ? |
| 22:17.42 | _Monkey | danilocesar: no idea |
| 22:18.04 | timelyx | sp3000: you have grant(editbugs) |
| 22:18.12 | DaniloCesar | _Monkey, Tony Maro |
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| 22:18.13 | _Monkey | DaniloCesar: sorry... |
| 22:18.14 | timelyx | if people get stuck, give it out as appropriate |
| 22:18.29 | sp3000 | k |
| 22:18.44 | GS_ | "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux armv5tejl; es-ES; rv:1.9a6pre) Gecko/20070810 Firefox/3.0a1 Maemo browser 0.4.34 N770/SU-18" "-" |
| 22:18.46 | GS_ | cool ;) |
| 22:19.08 | timelyx | spanish? |
| 22:19.15 | GS_ | yes |
| 22:19.21 | timelyx | actually |
| 22:19.23 | timelyx | that's uncool |
| 22:19.31 | timelyx | the nokia tableteer site won't like y ou |
| 22:19.34 | GS_ | yes it0s crash |
| 22:19.48 | timelyx | even if we do get them to fix microb support for n800 |
| 22:20.23 | GS_ | om |
| 22:20.41 | timelyx | sp3000: remind me today to yell at them? :( |
| 22:20.59 | sp3000 | tableteer? |
| 22:22.02 | timelyx | yeah |
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| 22:28.06 | TomCreer | I want a SIP softphone for my 770 :( |
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| 22:43.33 | milhouse | timeless: this seems to be the problem - http://pastebin.ca/674106 |
| 22:44.56 | timelE61i | sorry, sleepy time |
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| 22:46.16 | milhouse | ok np... will work on a very simplified case some more |
| 22:50.01 | pskr | timelyx: build seems to be complete. but with lots of scary warnings. How can I check if the build is successful? Should I do /microb-engine-1.0.3/build-tree/obj-edyn-arm-sb-buildgtk2/dist/bin/run_mozilla.sh? |
| 22:50.45 | pskr | as I built for SDK_ARMEL, will it work on pc (debian) or do I need to build again for SDK_X86? |
| 22:51.02 | milhouse | timeless: yep, not a bug in micro-b... the web page is subverting the mouse. self contained test page here http://217.155.26.150/public/pda/sky/index.html |
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| 23:06.27 | ekim\770 | Hey , has anyone gotten an alternate window manager working on the 770 ? |
| 23:07.33 | NeoStrider | would love to see that |
| 23:07.46 | NeoStrider | I saw some videos of kde , blackbox and window maker running |
| 23:07.57 | NeoStrider | but it was far too complicated to make |
| 23:08.02 | ekim\770 | b..b.blackbox |
| 23:08.16 | ekim\770 | thats my favorite wm |
| 23:08.54 | ekim\770 | Does anyone know how to make Maemo xchat go fullscreen |
| 23:09.13 | GeneralAntilles | Fullscreen button doesn't work? |
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| 23:09.17 | ekim\770 | no |
| 23:09.27 | GeneralAntilles | Then I don't have a clue. ;) |
| 23:09.30 | GeneralAntilles | Works on my N800 |
| 23:09.37 | GeneralAntilles | Don't recall which of the two ports I'm using |
| 23:09.41 | ekim\770 | damn |
| 23:09.42 | GeneralAntilles | "the one that worked" |
| 23:09.59 | ekim\770 | there is more than one port |
| 23:10.14 | GeneralAntilles | Yes. |
| 23:10.22 | GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/maemo-xchat/ |
| 23:10.27 | GeneralAntilles | I _think_ that's the one I have |
| 23:10.35 | GeneralAntilles | Don't recall where the other one is. |
| 23:10.41 | ekim\770 | are they both called the same thing |
| 23:12.22 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, Xchat :/ |
| 23:12.33 | GeneralAntilles | I suspect al little googling will turn up something |
| 23:12.47 | GeneralAntilles | The BAD one points to the good one on its website. |
| 23:13.37 | ekim\770 | hmm |
| 23:13.54 | ekim\770 | is that link the good one |
| 23:14.22 | erstazi | xchat? |
| 23:14.23 | _Monkey | hmmm... xchat is a gtk-based IRC client. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/maemo-xchat/ |
| 23:14.27 | erstazi | I was talking to monkey btw |
| 23:15.04 | erstazi | ekim\770: you have the one that cannot do full screen? there is an Xchat that can go full screen |
| 23:15.22 | ekim\770 | I think that is the one I am using |
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| 23:15.51 | ekim\770 | where do i get this "good" one |
| 23:15.57 | erstazi | ekim\770: looking |
| 23:15.59 | erstazi | I had it before |
| 23:16.30 | erstazi | found it |
| 23:16.31 | erstazi | ekim\770: http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/maemo/ |
| 23:16.51 | ekim\770 | I have a 770 |
| 23:17.04 | ekim\770 | will it work on os 2006 |
| 23:17.06 | trevarthan | ugh. my server had a ram failure a half hour after I left for work this morning. |
| 23:17.19 | trevarthan | Didn't get it fixed until just now (got home). ugh. |
| 23:17.21 | erstazi | ekim\770: I have the same as you (: |
| 23:17.35 | ekim\770 | What's your website? |
| 23:17.43 | trevarthan | kagu? |
| 23:17.43 | _Monkey | well, kagu is http://maemo.org/downloads/product/kagu |
| 23:18.05 | trevarthan | ah. https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/wiki |
| 23:18.14 | ekim\770 | you made kagu |
| 23:18.22 | ekim\770 | nice |
| 23:18.24 | erstazi | ekim\770: trevarthan is the one |
| 23:18.41 | erstazi | I tried to help with the theme but unique311 finished it |
| 23:18.49 | erstazi | I became to busy to help with it in the end |
| 23:18.52 | trevarthan | you should make us a new one. :) |
| 23:18.57 | erstazi | sorry, trevarthan for letting you down before |
| 23:18.57 | erstazi | haha |
| 23:19.05 | ekim\770 | you think you can add podcasting :) |
| 23:19.18 | erstazi | trevarthan: is positioning important in a theme for kagu? |
| 23:19.29 | ekim\770 | and UPnP |
| 23:19.38 | erstazi | I never did a theme for Hildon let alone GNOME |
| 23:19.43 | trevarthan | ekim\770: I can, but I've got lots to do before then. You could add it if you know how to code. It's a community project. |
| 23:20.03 | erstazi | pupnik: heh |
| 23:20.06 | trevarthan | erstazi: it is right now. we can/plan to change that though. |
| 23:20.21 | ekim\770 | is it written in c? |
| 23:20.21 | trevarthan | erstazi: kagu isn't gnome. It's SDL. |
| 23:20.30 | trevarthan | ekim\770: nope, python. |
| 23:20.34 | ekim\770 | ohh |
| 23:20.41 | erstazi | trevarthan: well, not to take your time, but when you are not busy, just send me the information about it, like co-ordinances and what not |
| 23:20.46 | ekim\770 | I can help then |
| 23:20.49 | ekim\770 | yay |
| 23:20.55 | trevarthan | :) double yay! |
| 23:20.59 | erstazi | trevarthan: well, I meant hildonizing but I forgot Karu doesn't follow it... SDL... I will have to read up on that |
| 23:21.01 | trevarthan | welcome aboard. |
| 23:21.20 | ekim\770 | ill hack around with it this weekend |
| 23:21.32 | ekim\770 | don't get too excited |
| 23:21.32 | erstazi | trevarthan: the only python I have done was for server-side (: |
| 23:21.42 | ekim\770 | I am a python noob |
| 23:21.47 | trevarthan | erstazi: just take a look at the current theme's psd file: https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/browser/trunk/data/resources/sprites.psd |
| 23:21.52 | trevarthan | (click the download link) |
| 23:21.57 | erstazi | trevarthan: on it |
| 23:21.59 | ekim\770 | but its the best langage I know |
| 23:22.11 | trevarthan | ekim\770: python is easy to pick up. yeah. I'm a fan too. |
| 23:22.12 | erstazi | ekim\770: its a very good language |
| 23:22.20 | ekim\770 | totally |
| 23:22.23 | erstazi | for server-side it is very promising |
| 23:22.27 | ekim\770 | my favorite |
| 23:22.41 | erstazi | trevarthan: you guys are using svn? I am glad you are |
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| 23:23.05 | trevarthan | ekim\770: I puke my little programmer's guts out every time I go to work in the morning and have to write PHP instead of Python. :( |
| 23:23.20 | trevarthan | erstazi: yeah. Big fan of SVN for small projects. And Trac. |
| 23:23.49 | erstazi | trevarthan: well, I use php myself for my work... it can be a pain, less object orientated (way less than python) but if you know the security holes, you can work *some* magic out of it |
| 23:23.59 | erstazi | but against asp vs php, any day php |
| 23:24.02 | ekim\770 | I like to use bzr |
| 23:24.09 | erstazi | bzr is nice as well |
| 23:26.18 | trevarthan | I've used asp and asp.net and php and python. Python, then PHP, then ASP.NET, then classic asp, in order of preference. |
| 23:27.05 | trevarthan | I do some Perl too, but only when I have to. |
| 23:27.30 | ekim\770 | man, I wish I could go fullscreen |
| 23:27.46 | ekim\770 | this is bugging me |
| 23:27.46 | trevarthan | why can't you? |
| 23:27.50 | trevarthan | which app? |
| 23:27.59 | ekim\770 | xchat |
| 23:28.22 | trevarthan | hmmm... goes fullscreen here.... |
| 23:28.55 | ekim\770 | really |
| 23:29.00 | trevarthan | yeah. just tested it. |
| 23:29.04 | trevarthan | you on an n800? |
| 23:29.13 | ekim\770 | 770 |
| 23:29.26 | trevarthan | oh. |
| 23:29.36 | trevarthan | that probably has something to do with it. :( |
| 23:29.39 | ekim\770 | I could not afford sn n800 |
| 23:29.43 | ekim\770 | :) |
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| 23:30.07 | trevarthan | yeah, they certainly aren't cheap. |
| 23:30.21 | trevarthan | cost as much as four sticks of the ram I just lost. :) |
| 23:30.43 | ekim\770 | What did you buy it for |
| 23:31.00 | trevarthan | the ram? |
| 23:31.00 | _Monkey | the ram is a big difference just in terms of the number of things you can open up at once. |
| 23:31.06 | ekim\770 | I think its a cool security tool |
| 23:31.14 | trevarthan | oh. the n800? |
| 23:31.14 | _Monkey | the n800 is much better than a desk phone :-) |
| 23:31.21 | trevarthan | SHUT UP MONKEY! |
| 23:31.28 | trevarthan | stupid bot. |
| 23:31.39 | ekim\770 | nmap,kismet,metasploit,aircrack |
| 23:31.49 | ekim\770 | :) |
| 23:32.10 | trevarthan | web browsing, chat, a2dp, kagu, SSH. that's my reasons |
| 23:32.21 | trevarthan | in no particular order |
| 23:32.28 | ekim\770 | yeah , what did you buy it for? |
| 23:32.37 | milhouse | stop abusing monkey! :) |
| 23:32.39 | trevarthan | see above |
| 23:32.45 | ekim\770 | a2dp |
| 23:32.54 | ekim\770 | sounds familiar |
| 23:33.06 | trevarthan | milhouse: put that heap of junk into "speak when spoken to" mode. |
| 23:33.15 | milhouse | i think it is... |
| 23:33.17 | milhouse | maybe |
| 23:33.21 | milhouse | well i could |
| 23:33.24 | trevarthan | I think not |
| 23:33.26 | milhouse | as i guess it's not |
| 23:33.29 | ekim\770 | what is a2dp |
| 23:33.30 | _Monkey | i think a2dp is available for N800 with installation instructions here http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8435 or if you want a nice frontend GUI for a2dp after following the instructions on that page, ask trevarthan or disq about Kagu |
| 23:33.34 | ekim\770 | nice |
| 23:33.52 | milhouse | if i put him speak-when-spoken-to mode that wouldn't have happened :) |
| 23:33.55 | milhouse | him in |
| 23:34.00 | trevarthan | yeah yeah. point taken. |
| 23:34.02 | ekim\770 | I still don't know what it is |
| 23:34.16 | milhouse | trevarthan can explain :) |
| 23:34.21 | trevarthan | milhouse: is there a "learn when spoken to" mode? |
| 23:34.32 | milhouse | the link that monkey just gave you allows you to install a2dp without too much trouble |
| 23:34.44 | trevarthan | a2dp is also bluetooth stereo audio. |
| 23:34.45 | _Monkey | okay, trevarthan. |
| 23:34.50 | trevarthan | what is a2dp? |
| 23:34.51 | milhouse | umm... i think there's 3 modes - required, optional and something else |
| 23:34.51 | _Monkey | somebody said a2dp was available for N800 with installation instructions here http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8435 or if you want a nice frontend GUI for a2dp after following the instructions on that page, ask trevarthan or disq about Kagu or bluetooth stereo audio. |
| 23:35.04 | ekim\770 | but what IS it |
| 23:35.25 | milhouse | advanced audio d-something profile |
| 23:35.27 | trevarthan | damn. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A2DP |
| 23:35.34 | erstazi | trevarthan: don't harass _Monkey, I feed it banana chips at night... |
| 23:35.41 | erstazi | and buffalo chips but don't tell milhouse.... |
| 23:35.44 | erstazi | oh hi milhouse |
| 23:36.00 | ekim\770 | I still don't know |
| 23:36.09 | ekim\770 | what does it do |
| 23:36.16 | erstazi | ekim\770: sucks the brains out of you |
| 23:36.23 | trevarthan | trevarthan is the programmer who wrote Kagu and likes to abuse _Monkey. |
| 23:36.27 | trevarthan | trevarthan? |
| 23:36.28 | _Monkey | i heard trevarthan was guardiani. It's trevarthan's last name. |
| 23:36.33 | milhouse | trevarthan - no, there's only two modes: required and optional. it's currently set to optional. no learning mode. |
| 23:36.36 | trevarthan | forget trevarthan |
| 23:36.36 | _Monkey | trevarthan: I forgot trevarthan |
| 23:36.38 | straind | Speaking of "listening", is anyone using Kismet and flite and noticing that flite talks over itself even if there's only one network? |
| 23:36.39 | milhouse | hi erstazi |
| 23:36.39 | trevarthan | trevarthan is the programmer who wrote Kagu and likes to abuse _Monkey. |
| 23:36.41 | ekim\770 | why would anyone use that !! |
| 23:36.42 | straind | bbl |
| 23:36.43 | trevarthan | trevarthan? |
| 23:36.44 | _Monkey | it has been said that trevarthan is the programmer who wrote Kagu and likes to abuse _Monkey. |
| 23:36.57 | trevarthan | forget trevarthan |
| 23:36.58 | _Monkey | trevarthan: I forgot trevarthan |
| 23:37.01 | trevarthan | trevarthan is the programmer who wrote Kagu and likes to abuse _Monkey |
| 23:37.04 | trevarthan | trevarthan? |
| 23:37.04 | _Monkey | well, trevarthan is the programmer who wrote Kagu and likes to abuse _Monkey |
| 23:37.08 | trevarthan | forget trevarthan |
| 23:37.08 | _Monkey | trevarthan: I forgot trevarthan |
| 23:37.09 | milhouse | damn, monkey's going to have to go on the treadmill |
| 23:37.11 | trevarthan | trevarthan is the programmer who wrote Kagu and likes to abuse me |
| 23:37.13 | trevarthan | trevarthan? |
| 23:37.14 | _Monkey | trevarthan is the programmer who wrote Kagu and likes to abuse me |
| 23:37.17 | trevarthan | there we go |
| 23:37.23 | ekim\770 | fine ... then don't tell me |
| 23:37.27 | erstazi | milhouse: just playing with ya, how are you? |
| 23:37.36 | erstazi | ekim\770: A2DP? |
| 23:37.37 | _Monkey | hmmm... A2DP is available for N800 with installation instructions here http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8435 or if you want a nice frontend GUI for a2dp after following the instructions on that page, ask trevarthan or disq about Kagu or bluetooth stereo audio. |
| 23:37.45 | pskr | timelyx: my PC crashed. |
| 23:37.56 | trevarthan | ekim\770: it's handy. the cords on your earbuds never get on your nerves? |
| 23:38.15 | pskr | timelyx: I asked if you knew how to verify if my microb build was successful. |
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| 23:39.39 | milhouse | erstazi: i'm good thanks |
| 23:39.47 | trevarthan | every time I type \770 I feel like I'm escaping a hex number or something. |
| 23:39.52 | trevarthan | It's disconcerting. |
| 23:40.03 | milhouse | trevarthan - did you see the a2dp bug has changed? apparently the current bluez stack now supports a2dp, funded by nokia... |
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| 23:40.23 | milhouse | bug 474 |
| 23:40.23 | _Monkey | Bug 474 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=474 |
| 23:41.00 | ekim\770 | ok guys , i'll be back in a bit |
| 23:41.04 | ekim\770 | later |
| 23:41.22 | milhouse | not sure if that means it's more efficient than the version we've been using on your site, or if it's the same thing |
| 23:41.48 | trevarthan | milhouse: I heard about that. I'll be extremely happy if they put a2dp in the base maemo OS. |
| 23:42.07 | milhouse | i think that's a must, tbh |
| 23:42.16 | trevarthan | I guess we'll have to wait for a firmware or two to find out. |
| 23:42.44 | trevarthan | they need SCO in there too. (think gtalk or SIP via a headset) |
| 23:43.30 | milhouse | yep... looks like that might be available too according to this news page http://www.bluez.org/news.html |
| 23:43.35 | trevarthan | besides, a2dpd sucks. it's kinda unreliable. |
| 23:44.05 | trevarthan | nice |
| 23:44.12 | trevarthan | "auto create" |
| 23:44.20 | trevarthan | pure genious. :) |
| 23:44.30 | milhouse | want. now. :) |
| 23:44.36 | trevarthan | ditto |
| 23:44.45 | milhouse | anyone from Nokia: happy to be a guinea pig |
| 23:44.49 | lle2 | timelE61i: pong? |
| 23:45.04 | trevarthan | so, I wonder if this is like, a month away? A year away? Three? |
| 23:45.23 | gomiam | stupid question: can scratchbox be compiled on Cygwin? |
| 23:45.30 | milhouse | who knows... somethings appear out of nowhere, other things are talked about but don't appear for months |
| 23:45.31 | trevarthan | cause if it's a year away, then we could still use a .deb for your a2dp scripts and a control panel applet, milhouse. |
| 23:45.31 | lle2 | maybe |
| 23:46.27 | trevarthan | Nokia should make it's release schedules public for bugs like that |
| 23:46.30 | milhouse | i would guess this is coming in the next firmware release... or maybe chinook if the next firmware release isn't maemo 4.0/chinook |
| 23:46.48 | milhouse | i agree, a tentative date wouldn't do any harm |
| 23:46.54 | pskr | anybody know how to verify microb build is successful (I built it from source using dpkg apt-bldpackage) |
| 23:46.56 | milhouse | but... this is nokia |
| 23:47.19 | trevarthan | they could release a new bluez at any time, but still not integrate a2dp or sco with the OS. |
| 23:47.35 | milhouse | fingers crossed they trial a beta package |
| 23:47.42 | milhouse | of the bluez changes |
| 23:47.50 | milhouse | assuming it's possible, and adds value |
| 23:48.47 | trevarthan | if they did it that way, they could take their time integrating it with the OS and we could release a new Kagu to utilize the new bluez. best of both worlds. |
| 23:49.00 | milhouse | absolutely |
| 23:49.16 | milhouse | bet it won't happen though :) |
| 23:50.29 | lle2 | I'm having trouble parsing what you guys are really looking for |
| 23:50.37 | trevarthan | dunno. anything could happen at this point. depends on how backed up with other stuff they are. |
| 23:50.53 | milhouse | the bluez guys certainly have been busy the last few months... i wonder if that's due to nokias involvement? |
| 23:51.03 | trevarthan | probably |
| 23:51.23 | trevarthan | a2dp and sco will actually drive sales a bit for them. not much, but a bit. |
| 23:51.45 | trevarthan | Kagu isn't enough for that. They have to say it's built in. |
| 23:51.58 | lle2 | you want a new kernel for the tablet, with updated bluetooth stuff? |
| 23:52.15 | trevarthan | nah, just a new bluez deb. |
| 23:52.35 | trevarthan | if it takes a new kernel, then a new kernel. |
| 23:52.41 | milhouse | trevarthan: the lack of a2dp and sco is a bit of a hole nowadays, as apple have discovered... people know about it, and want it. |
| 23:53.23 | trevarthan | yeah. totally agree. |
| 23:53.39 | trevarthan | cars will probably ship with a2dp soon, if they don't already. |
| 23:54.05 | trevarthan | lle2: I thought you were a bot at first. :) most people don't say "parse" in a sentence. |
| 23:54.31 | lle2 | trevarthan: some people do after whiskey tasting |
| 23:54.45 | trevarthan | albiet with a bit of a slur? |
| 23:54.52 | lle2 | a bit |
| 23:55.25 | trevarthan | perhaps that's why you were having trouble parsing our conversation? :) |
| 23:55.40 | lle2 | also a distinct possibility |
| 23:55.55 | trevarthan | I still think you're a bot. Very bot-like answers. |
| 23:56.43 | trevarthan | I'm just kidding. :) |
| 23:56.47 | lle2 | I'm just curious why not build your own bluez stuff? run it with the very latest public kernel and you couldn't have anything more up to date |
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| 23:57.21 | trevarthan | mostly because I'm lazy, and we've already got a2dp support in a less advanced form. |
| 23:57.22 | lle2 | you'll lack wlan, but that's to be expected |
| 23:57.46 | lle2 | that's a valid reason |
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| 23:58.34 | trevarthan | I might test it out on my desktop though. gentoo is good for stuff like that. |
| 23:59.17 | lle2 | gentoo is not good for anything, imho. It wasted many hours of my life for no good reason. |
| 23:59.55 | trevarthan | there's that too. :) |
