| 00:22.29 | *** join/#maemo ekim|irc_ (i=ekim@dt061n59.tampabay.res.rr.com) |
| 00:24.38 | kikka | gn8 |
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| 00:27.41 | pupnik | MCCob: is there a new one? |
| 00:28.04 | pupnik | ekim|irc_: still around? |
| 00:28.20 | pupnik | you should use a google search |
| 00:47.32 | trevarthan | angry bar chicks are annoying. |
| 00:47.48 | trevarthan | slap them with my n800. |
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| 01:13.17 | timely | sp3000: ping, bug 231 was that ever valid |
| 01:13.17 | _Monkey | Bug 231 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=231 |
| 01:13.29 | timely | or was the reporter merely unable to *hold* the escape key? |
| 01:14.32 | sp3000 | maybe it was/is a bug in the de help |
| 01:16.12 | sp3000 | can't say I recall if that didn't work once upon a time, I never really close with that button |
| 01:17.40 | sp3000 | oh, cool, the fi help doesn't say hold the button |
| 01:18.16 | timely | hrm |
| 01:18.22 | timely | do we have a component for docs/help? |
| 01:18.26 | timely | check the wiki |
| 01:18.36 | timely | it's quite likely whichever thing either doesn't exist, or is closed to bugs |
| 01:18.44 | timely | so you probably can't move the bug to the right place :) |
| 01:20.07 | sp3000 | yeah I don't see one |
| 01:21.03 | sp3000 | I like the severity adjustment on that bug |
| 01:21.10 | timely | ? |
| 01:21.17 | timely | sorry, i'm busy making a mess |
| 01:21.26 | sp3000 | minor -> enh :) |
| 01:21.35 | sp3000 | help lies? enhancement! |
| 01:22.03 | timely | btw, impersonate user *rocks* |
| 01:22.33 | timely | ui has one bug, but i'll file it when i'm done |
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| 01:26.13 | emh5945 | does anybody know of a .deb file for gnash or swfdec for the nokia 770 |
| 01:35.04 | ekim|irc_ | Can someone get me the adria theme ? |
| 01:35.08 | ekim|irc_ | I have a 770 |
| 01:35.10 | ekim|irc_ | and I want it :) |
| 01:37.44 | timely | ekim|irc_: it's probably not legal for them to give it to you |
| 01:37.54 | ekim|irc_ | I disagree |
| 01:37.56 | ekim|irc_ | whats the license |
| 01:38.11 | ekim|irc_ | Does maemo *Belong* to nokia |
| 01:38.17 | ekim|irc_ | or did maemo exist before nokia |
| 01:38.21 | timely | maemo doesn't |
| 01:38.25 | ekim|irc_ | and is maemo opensource |
| 01:38.27 | timely | well, technically it does |
| 01:38.29 | timely | but ignoring that |
| 01:38.32 | timely | adria != maemo |
| 01:38.41 | ekim|irc_ | sure...nokia made it... |
| 01:38.49 | ekim|irc_ | but what license was it put under |
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| 01:40.37 | MCCob | no pupnik |
| 01:40.38 | _Monkey | i guess no pupnik is editing applications.menu in ~/.osso/menus |
| 01:40.40 | timely | hate to ask, but how do i check? |
| 01:40.44 | MCCob | no new OS 2007 HE |
| 01:40.50 | timely | _Monkey forget no pupnki |
| 01:40.50 | _Monkey | timely, I didn't have anything matching no pupnki |
| 01:40.51 | timely | _Monkey forget no pupnik |
| 01:40.52 | _Monkey | timely: I forgot no pupnik |
| 01:40.53 | ekim|irc_ | wait a sec |
| 01:40.57 | timely | _Monkey no pupnik is <reply> |
| 01:40.57 | _Monkey | OK, timely. |
| 01:41.00 | ekim|irc_ | Wait |
| 01:41.02 | timely | _Monkey no pupnik |
| 01:41.03 | _Monkey | timely: huh? |
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| 01:41.09 | ekim|irc_ | is 2007 hacker edition legal ? |
| 01:41.12 | timely | _Monkey \no pupnik is <reply> |
| 01:41.12 | _Monkey | i already had it that way, timely. |
| 01:41.15 | timely | ekim|irc_: yes |
| 01:41.28 | ekim|irc_ | then the adria them can be destributed too |
| 01:41.36 | ekim|irc_ | because it comse with 2007 hacker edition |
| 01:41.41 | timely | doesn't follow |
| 01:41.46 | ekim|irc_ | why not ? |
| 01:41.49 | timely | just because nokia ships an <x> |
| 01:41.54 | timely | and <x> includes a <y> |
| 01:42.01 | timely | doesn't mean you can distribute <y> w/o <x> |
| 01:42.07 | ekim|irc_ | Huh... |
| 01:42.07 | timely | heck it doens't mean you can redistribute <x> at all |
| 01:42.14 | ekim|irc_ | Can't someone just send me the theme |
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| 01:42.40 | ekim|irc_ | I don't support piracy (I only *BROWSE* thepiratebay) |
| 01:42.48 | ekim|irc_ | but seriously |
| 01:43.03 | dick-richardson | I have a phone w/bluetooth and it's paired successfully w/my n800...can someone help me setting up internet access through the phone? I do have a data plan |
| 01:43.25 | ekim|irc_ | great |
| 01:43.28 | ekim|irc_ | you have an n800 |
| 01:43.37 | dick-richardson | clicking the globe and choosing 'select connection' it only shown wlan connections |
| 01:44.01 | ekim|irc_ | then can you send me the adria theme please :) |
| 01:44.19 | dick-richardson | you tell me how and I'll do it :) |
| 01:44.25 | ekim|irc_ | cool |
| 01:44.31 | ekim|irc_ | I dont remember :) |
| 01:44.35 | dick-richardson | but then you have to help me figure this bluetooth thing out, too :P |
| 01:44.39 | ekim|irc_ | What are the tar arguments... |
| 01:44.40 | timely | dick-richardson: go to control panel |
| 01:44.41 | ekim|irc_ | nevermind |
| 01:44.46 | dick-richardson | timely: kk |
| 01:45.02 | ekim|irc_ | hey...you know how the 770 comes with busybox |
| 01:45.07 | ekim|irc_ | but its a cut-down version |
| 01:45.09 | timely | ekim|irc_: http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/n800/microb-3.2007 |
| 01:45.16 | timely | has general instructions for rebuilding a package |
| 01:45.17 | ekim|irc_ | is there any way to install the FULL version of busybox |
| 01:45.24 | ekim|irc_ | I dont want to build a package |
| 01:45.27 | timely | anything is possible |
| 01:45.28 | ekim|irc_ | just a tar archive :) |
| 01:45.44 | ekim|irc_ | No...you dont understand my language |
| 01:45.46 | ekim|irc_ | lemme translate |
| 01:46.10 | ekim|irc_ | "I AM LAZY , Someone please build the full version of busybox for the 770 , KTHXBYE" |
| 01:46.15 | ekim|irc_ | :) |
| 01:46.19 | timely | don't be lazy |
| 01:46.29 | ekim|irc_ | Lazy is the wrong word |
| 01:46.31 | dick-richardson | ekim|irc_: how ever will you learn? |
| 01:46.34 | ekim|irc_ | Impatient is more like it |
| 01:46.42 | ekim|irc_ | I dotn feel like downloading the entire dev environment |
| 01:46.45 | dick-richardson | ekim|irc_: impatience is the enemy of the hacker :P |
| 01:46.51 | ekim|irc_ | then having it run realyl slow on my machine |
| 01:46.56 | ekim|irc_ | then try to figure out how to build it |
| 01:47.37 | dick-richardson | timely: what should I be doing in the control panel? |
| 01:47.52 | timely | dick-richardson: try the app menu key |
| 01:48.01 | ekim|irc_ | timely, do you HAVE a n800 ? |
| 01:48.14 | timely | ekim|irc_: one 770 and one n800 |
| 01:48.17 | timely | both right in front of me |
| 01:48.21 | ekim|irc_ | Which do you like better ? |
| 01:48.28 | ekim|irc_ | more numbers doesnt necessarily mean better |
| 01:48.30 | timely | i like it when you aren't bothering me |
| 01:48.35 | timely | i'm trying to move 1900 bugs |
| 01:48.36 | ekim|irc_ | huh |
| 01:48.41 | timely | and you're being thoroughly distracting |
| 01:48.47 | ekim|irc_ | I didn't know ... geez |
| 01:48.53 | timely | dick-richardson: from the app menu, tools>cellular provider wizard |
| 01:48.54 | dick-richardson | timely: cellular provider setup wizard? |
| 01:48.57 | timely | or whatever the first menuitem says |
| 01:48.59 | timely | yes |
| 01:49.01 | dick-richardson | timely: perfect, thank you!!! |
| 01:54.21 | dick-richardson | went through the wizard, have a connection between the phone and the n800, but it still doesn't show up when I 'select connection'... |
| 01:59.06 | dick-richardson | it should show up there, correct? |
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| 02:07.40 | sp3000 | oh, for future reference, don't apply a -w patch on python code :D |
| 02:07.47 | sp3000 | "oops" |
| 02:11.47 | _bugs_maemo | heh |
| 02:12.09 | _bugs_maemo | btw, pieces of bugs.maemo.org are slowly disappearing :) |
| 02:15.22 | _bugs_maemo | hrm, sp3000: remind me that some people misspell "int-" as "in-" :( |
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| 02:34.08 | dick-richardson | any other ideas on this bluetooth phone |
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| 02:38.58 | MCCob | Minimo avaible for N770 :) |
| 02:39.05 | MCCob | with Flash 9 ! |
| 02:39.32 | _bugs_maemo | minimo? where? |
| 02:39.32 | _Monkey | minimo is (Mini Mozilla) Web browser, a slimmed down version of mozilla browser aiming resource reduced devices. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/minimo/ |
| 02:39.38 | _bugs_maemo | oh shut up |
| 02:42.15 | MCCob | :D |
| 02:42.35 | MCCob | http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/6/ :) :) :) |
| 02:42.46 | _bugs_maemo | that's not minimo |
| 02:42.55 | MCCob | oh ?! |
| 02:43.01 | _bugs_maemo | _Monkey microb |
| 02:43.02 | _Monkey | microb is the nokia sponsored gtk2-cairo hack of gecko for use by /usr/bin/browser via eal on n800 (4.2007) |
| 02:43.04 | MCCob | it is differend one ! |
| 02:43.07 | MCCob | ok ok |
| 02:43.20 | _bugs_maemo | _Monkey really timeless? |
| 02:43.21 | _Monkey | _bugs_maemo: i haven't a clue |
| 02:43.46 | _bugs_maemo | _Monkey timeless really? |
| 02:43.47 | _Monkey | somebody said timeless really was a browser developer working for nokia on the maemo browser (microb). also a mozilla contributor |
| 02:43.54 | MCCob | what is the difference between maemo & microb ? |
| 02:44.00 | _bugs_maemo | maemo is a platform |
| 02:44.04 | _bugs_maemo | microb only really works on maemo |
| 02:44.14 | _bugs_maemo | you really meant to ask how minimo and microb differed |
| 02:44.16 | _bugs_maemo | but you didn't |
| 02:45.10 | MCCob | yes ? |
| 02:45.26 | _bugs_maemo | yes |
| 02:45.52 | MCCob | maemo is a platform for different portable device ? |
| 02:46.07 | MCCob | or small device |
| 02:46.20 | _bugs_maemo | _Monkey maemo |
| 02:46.20 | _Monkey | hmmm... maemo is at maemo.org or Open Source Software |
| 02:46.27 | MCCob | oupppppppppps |
| 02:46.31 | _bugs_maemo | boy, _Monkey is really helpful |
| 02:46.33 | MCCob | I want to say minimo |
| 02:46.45 | MCCob | apologize |
| 02:47.00 | _bugs_maemo | miinimo is a gecko derivative written in xul designed for portable use on small devices |
| 02:47.11 | MCCob | ok |
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| 02:47.28 | MCCob | in microb, there is part of minimo or no ? |
| 02:47.34 | MCCob | only gecko ? |
| 02:47.52 | _bugs_maemo | they use approximately the same gecko, minus differences |
| 02:48.03 | MCCob | ok |
| 02:48.19 | _bugs_maemo | but, i'm kinda busy using geckos (whichever versions) to attack bugs.maemo |
| 02:48.24 | _bugs_maemo | i'd like to get back to that |
| 02:50.10 | MCCob | thank's for explain ;) |
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| 02:51.28 | ekim|irc_ | seriously |
| 02:51.34 | ekim|irc_ | can someone please send me the adria theme |
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| 02:54.13 | MCCob | it is os 2007 theme ? |
| 02:57.38 | erstazi | MCCob: it is |
| 02:58.59 | MCCob | I have 770 'n os 2006 ;) |
| 02:59.12 | MCCob | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:59.45 | ekim|irc_ | MCCob, yeah |
| 03:00.00 | MCCob | :) |
| 03:00.11 | ekim|irc_ | but you can run it on the 770 |
| 03:00.20 | MCCob | Microb need a big space ! |
| 03:00.30 | MCCob | I try ekim|irc_ |
| 03:01.16 | MCCob | it is 5 AM here ! |
| 03:01.30 | MCCob | and I try to install microb :) |
| 03:01.36 | MCCob | amazing for me |
| 03:06.11 | dsiemon | Anyone know if there is a setting to get the email app on the n800 to validate SSL certificates? |
| 03:06.41 | dsiemon | That and I'm having some SMTP auth problems if anyone has ran into problems in this area before :) |
| 03:07.47 | Blacksitox | re |
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| 03:33.54 | ekim|irc_ | How can I automatically start the ssh server when the device turns on |
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| 03:41.09 | _bugs_maemo | ekim|irc_: any decent .deb would add the proper scripts to the startup system |
| 03:41.23 | ekim|irc_ | Hmm |
| 03:41.26 | ekim|irc_ | I am trying to install this |
| 03:41.28 | ekim|irc_ | http://mummola.cs.tut.fi/n770/files/busybox_1.01-4.osso10-ipv6.etc1_armel.deb |
| 03:41.40 | ekim|irc_ | and it says something about not being able to repalce wget |
| 03:41.48 | ekim|irc_ | but /usr/bin/wget doens't exist |
| 03:42.12 | _bugs_maemo | anyone here familiar w/ impl details of the maemo platform? |
| 03:42.28 | _bugs_maemo | specifically, what handles long press? is it the window manager? task navigator? |
| 03:43.18 | ekim|irc_ | here is the full error message |
| 03:43.18 | ekim|irc_ | http://pastie.caboo.se/91017 |
| 03:43.22 | ekim|irc_ | how do I fix this ? |
| 03:46.16 | ekim|irc_ | come on guys |
| 03:46.17 | ekim|irc_ | anyone ? |
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| 04:10.29 | dick-richardson | so, the phone is paired and connected to my n800. I went through the cellular provider setup wizard, but it's not showing up in my list of connections. any suggestionss? |
| 04:11.39 | dick-richardson | when I click the globe at the top and choose 'select connection' all I see is wifi networks |
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| 04:15.50 | ekim|irc_ | wow |
| 04:16.05 | ekim|irc_ | how cool is it that I can have nmap/aircrack/kismet ... in the palm of my hand |
| 04:16.09 | ekim|irc_ | linux ftw!! |
| 04:16.29 | ekim|irc_ | Ohh ... and dick-richardson ...I don't have a bluetooth phone...nor a data plan ... so I can't help you |
| 04:16.30 | ekim|irc_ | sorry |
| 04:16.48 | dick-richardson | ekim|irc_: np, just trying to figure out if there's something I'm missing :/ |
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| 04:17.03 | ekim|irc_ | not sure |
| 04:17.04 | sully | Anyone remember the US college that MS uses for all its speech software |
| 04:17.10 | ekim|irc_ | I still get get my email to work :) |
| 04:17.18 | ekim|irc_ | No... |
| 04:17.20 | ekim|irc_ | what college ? |
| 04:17.27 | ekim|irc_ | for what ? |
| 04:17.34 | sully | For text-to-speech software and the like |
| 04:20.48 | ekim|irc_ | wow |
| 04:20.57 | ekim|irc_ | I can install nginx |
| 04:21.09 | ekim|irc_ | this is one of those "Because you can" things |
| 04:24.24 | dick-richardson | does it need to be set in the control panel under phone? or bluetooth? both? |
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| 04:31.37 | _bugs_maemo | dick-richardson: what's phone say in control panel? |
| 04:31.51 | _bugs_maemo | it needs to match the name of your paired phone |
| 04:32.14 | _bugs_maemo | if it's "none", you won't be able to select your connections in the connection thing |
| 04:32.17 | dick-richardson | there's nothing there...it doesn't see the phone |
| 04:32.22 | _bugs_maemo | err |
| 04:32.28 | _bugs_maemo | well, um, "new" :) |
| 04:32.42 | dick-richardson | yeah, it doesn't find it |
| 04:32.54 | _bugs_maemo | um, what kind of phone? |
| 04:33.20 | dick-richardson | samsung sch-u420 |
| 04:35.20 | ekim|irc_ | How can I setup gmail with the built-in mail app |
| 04:36.01 | _bugs_maemo | ekim|irc_: you're nuts :) |
| 04:36.05 | _bugs_maemo | but gmail supports pop3 |
| 04:36.14 | _bugs_maemo | and the built-in mail app claims to support pop3 |
| 04:36.23 | _bugs_maemo | a match made in **** |
| 04:36.39 | ekim|irc_ | are you implying that the build in mail app sucks **** |
| 04:36.59 | _bugs_maemo | nah, the word i had in mind was a relative of heaven |
| 04:37.07 | _bugs_maemo | i'd just go out and say what you're thinking :) |
| 04:37.21 | ekim|irc_ | What do you use for email |
| 04:37.23 | ekim|irc_ | if anything |
| 04:37.24 | _bugs_maemo | gmail |
| 04:37.34 | ekim|irc_ | I want to use a client |
| 04:37.39 | ekim|irc_ | if you were to use a client...what would it be |
| 04:37.42 | ekim|irc_ | I have claws mail |
| 04:37.46 | _bugs_maemo | i'd kill myself |
| 04:38.03 | _bugs_maemo | before my client killed itself |
| 04:38.14 | _bugs_maemo | You are currently using 2789 MB (96%) of your 2892 MB |
| 04:38.25 | ekim|irc_ | :) |
| 04:38.28 | ekim|irc_ | well mine says |
| 04:38.46 | ekim|irc_ | you are using 36 MB of 2892 (0%) |
| 04:38.59 | ekim|irc_ | No...im not crazy...its a new account :) |
| 04:39.00 | _bugs_maemo | 1 - 100 of 546213 |
| 04:39.01 | _Monkey | -54621299 |
| 04:39.21 | dick-richardson | gotta agree with bugs...better to use the web |
| 04:39.21 | dick-richardson | I tried using the built-in app..only nice thing was notification - formatting was hell. just use the notifier |
| 04:39.22 | dick-richardson | so I assume this phone won't work? |
| 04:39.33 | _bugs_maemo | dick-richardson: i can't find anything about it |
| 04:40.01 | _bugs_maemo | dick-richardson: when i'm done rearranging this bug tracker, file a bug :) |
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| 04:40.44 | _bugs_maemo | dick-richardson: when i'm done rearranging this bug tracker, file a bug :) |
| 04:40.56 | ekim|irc_ | I cant even get it to download my mail |
| 04:41.23 | dick-richardson | _bugs_maemo: I can do that...how confident are you that it will work |
| 04:41.40 | dick-richardson | I just got it today and can take it back if need be |
| 04:43.39 | dick-richardson | ekim|irc_: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=587&highlight=gmail |
| 04:43.52 | dick-richardson | ekim|irc_: that will help if you decide you want to do it anyway |
| 04:44.57 | erstazi | ekim|irc_: is that a gmail account you are talking about? |
| 04:47.53 | ekim|irc_ | I want to use claws mail |
| 04:47.59 | ekim|irc_ | nevermind |
| 04:48.00 | ekim|irc_ | I got it |
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| 04:49.03 | ekim|irc_ | claws mail works beautifully |
| 04:49.09 | ekim|irc_ | is that a word... |
| 04:49.14 | ekim|irc_ | I think so yeah |
| 04:49.23 | _bugs_maemo | dick-richardson: we have people who expense buying phones to fix compatibility |
| 04:49.51 | dick-richardson | _bugs_maemo: ok, so you'd be comfortable keeping it |
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| 04:52.50 | ekim|irc_ | Ok guys , im going to sleep |
| 04:52.50 | ekim|irc_ | later |
| 04:53.02 | _bugs_maemo | oh, if i just bought the phone and could return it, and i cared about my n800 |
| 04:53.10 | _bugs_maemo | i'd file the bug and return the phone :) |
| 05:05.52 | dick-richardson | yeah, I certainly care about the n800 more than the phone, but if it will work (even if it takes a couple weeks) I'll hang on to it |
| 05:06.18 | dick-richardson | _bugs_maemo: where would I file a bug report? |
| 05:07.06 | _bugs_maemo | dick-richardson: i haven't made that component yet :( |
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| 05:07.21 | _bugs_maemo | it'd be bugs.maemo.org product=Connectivity component=Phone |
| 05:07.27 | _bugs_maemo | but well, i guess i should do that now... |
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| 05:08.12 | dick-richardson | _bugs_maemo: no rush, I'll post it tomorrow |
| 05:08.46 | dick-richardson | take it easy, have a beer :D |
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| 05:15.29 | _bugs_maemo | dick-richardson: file the bug |
| 05:15.39 | _bugs_maemo | hold on actually |
| 05:15.45 | _bugs_maemo | you using 4.2007? 5.2007? |
| 05:18.31 | _bugs_maemo | https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Connectivity&format=guided&version=3.x&rep_platform=ARM&op_sys=Linux |
| 05:18.35 | _bugs_maemo | use that link to file your bug |
| 05:31.17 | dick-richardson | I'm using 5.2007 |
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| 05:33.14 | _bugs_maemo | it occurred to me that the question wasn't very useful, you're lumped into 3.x for now |
| 05:33.23 | _bugs_maemo | but do include a note that you're using 5.2007 in one of the fields |
| 05:33.35 | _bugs_maemo | if possible, please include the exact firmware version for your phone |
| 05:33.37 | _bugs_maemo | (google) |
| 05:35.14 | _bugs_maemo | if you happen to have other devices that can/can't pair w/ them, they'd also be good datapoints |
| 05:35.22 | _bugs_maemo | s/them/it/ |
| 05:35.49 | dick-richardson | I have paired a holux gps receiver to it |
| 05:37.26 | dick-richardson | 5.2007 was the release w/skype, right? |
| 05:42.53 | dick-richardson | _bugs_maemo: it's bug #1904...you have a sec to make sure it looks right? |
| 05:42.53 | dick-richardson | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1904 |
| 05:42.54 | _Monkey | Bug 1904 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1904 |
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| 05:50.11 | timelyx | dick-richardson: in bluetooth what icon does your phone have? |
| 05:50.16 | timelyx | hrm |
| 05:50.23 | timelyx | um, i suppose i should give you some samples... |
| 05:50.26 | timelyx | i need to go |
| 05:50.30 | timelyx | i'll be back in ~90mins |
| 05:50.36 | timelyx | anyway, i'm almost done reorging bugzilla |
| 05:50.48 | timelyx | i kindly ask people not to file bugs in components not listed in the reorg pages |
| 05:50.55 | timelyx | as i'll just have to move them later |
| 05:52.57 | dick-richardson | it's got a little computer behind the bluetooth logo |
| 05:53.01 | timelyx | especially don't file bugs in applications:utilties, that's been replaced by applications:{whichever} |
| 05:53.10 | timelyx | hrm, that's probably the problem |
| 05:53.29 | timelyx | anyway, i'll be back later to help you report the exact filename or something |
| 05:53.55 | dick-richardson | kk |
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| 06:45.47 | rocketman | Has anyone been able to order a replacement N800 stylus from Nokia ever? |
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| 07:11.34 | rocketman | Wow, talkative bunch |
| 07:11.48 | rocketman | So, anyone heard any good jokes lately? |
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| 07:17.26 | timelyx | dick-richardson: ok, i'm back |
| 07:17.30 | timelyx | so, things to do: |
| 07:17.46 | timelyx | 1. get the specific firmware version from your phone |
| 07:17.53 | timelyx | 2. get the phone to indicate which bluetooth profiles it supports |
| 07:18.06 | timelyx | 3. ask the n800 to tell you what it knows about the bluetooth device |
| 07:18.17 | timelyx | 4. lemme see if i can find the icon info |
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| 07:20.25 | timelyx | ekim|irc_: looks like adria is in sardine, at least, http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/sardine-20070531/source/osso-themes-2.0.11/usr/share/themes/default/images/ looks an awful like adria |
| 07:21.10 | sbz | hello |
| 07:21.11 | _Monkey | niihau, sbz |
| 07:21.16 | timelyx | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/sardine-20070531/source/osso-themes-2.0.11/debian/copyright |
| 07:21.22 | timelyx | ekim|irc_: note the copyright statement |
| 07:21.43 | timelyx | in fact, that pretty much precludes me including it in my cross reference |
| 07:22.05 | timelyx | pretty nasty license, but hey, i didn't write it :) |
| 07:22.44 | sbz | there is a way to admin the n800 via ssh with usb wire ? because the wifi connection is to low to transfert :/ |
| 07:22.54 | timelyx | sbz: yes |
| 07:23.01 | timelyx | you need to read some wiki docs about usbnet |
| 07:23.17 | sbz | do you have a link ? |
| 07:23.51 | timelyx | no, you have google? |
| 07:23.57 | timelyx | dick-richardson: http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/sardine-20070531/source/sdk-default-icons-2.0/icons/26x26/ |
| 07:25.02 | timelyx | dick-richardson: browse through the qgn_list_btno_ and tell me which matches |
| 07:25.56 | sbz | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/usbnetworking/ okay i found, thanks timelyx |
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| 08:59.26 | timelyx | users ask for way too many features |
| 09:00.24 | dolske | If only there was a feature to prevent that. |
| 09:04.31 | timelyx | someone a while ago complained about mnotify and gmail http v. https, bug 1173 covers it |
| 09:04.32 | _Monkey | Bug 1173 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1173 |
| 09:07.31 | timelyx | oh great |
| 09:07.36 | timelyx | there's pr0n in bugs.maemo.org |
| 09:07.47 | timelyx | and not just pr0n, but really offensive stuff |
| 09:10.53 | `0660 | which bug is it? :) |
| 09:12.50 | `0660 | request for improvement of the sample images provided with the firmware? |
| 09:14.13 | timelyx | 1119 |
| 09:16.10 | `0660 | access denied :) |
| 09:16.27 | `0660 | so it's some sort of private stuff from the admins for the admins? :P |
| 09:16.48 | timelyx | no, it's from a random yahoo.com account |
| 09:16.54 | timelyx | and it has, well.. pr0n |
| 09:17.01 | timelyx | or rather, links to pr0n |
| 09:17.13 | timelyx | i've burried it |
| 09:17.26 | timelyx | sorry, you can probably find the same pr0n on most bugzillas |
| 09:17.40 | timelyx | i haven't checked to see if it's the same guy for each bugzilla, but i have heard about it |
| 09:18.12 | `0660 | free hosting! :) |
| 09:18.16 | timelyx | no actually |
| 09:18.19 | timelyx | the host offsite |
| 09:18.27 | `0660 | oh |
| 09:18.27 | timelyx | they merely attach html pages that have redirects |
| 09:18.37 | `0660 | clever |
| 09:18.39 | timelyx | it's basically a clever way of working around black/white lists |
| 09:18.58 | timelyx | at least, that's what i've heard about it, i haven't checked this specific instance |
| 09:19.09 | timelyx | which has um... something like 30 attachments of the same file |
| 09:19.38 | timelyx | i'll use a different non html aware browser (aka view-source: ) when i want to fix the files |
| 09:20.49 | timelyx | 849 is annoying |
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| 09:20.59 | timelyx | it has no business living in utilties |
| 09:21.13 | kikka | good morning. |
| 09:21.16 | timelyx | but, we don't have a place for it to live in yet, so i can't kill utilities until i find it a nice new home :( |
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| 09:24.58 | `0660 | wouldn't it be easier to just fix it? :) |
| 09:25.04 | timelyx | no |
| 09:25.12 | timelyx | bugs need homes |
| 09:25.19 | timelyx | fixed or not, they still need homes |
| 09:25.23 | `0660 | cannot xterm disable auto complete? |
| 09:25.51 | timelyx | boy, the user experience of backup in os2006 sucks |
| 09:25.59 | sbz | there is a way to do a video screenshot ? it seems osso-screenshot-tool doesn't support video screenshot ? any have an idea ? |
| 09:26.24 | zuh | External video camera :) |
| 09:26.36 | sbz | i have juste a green square insted of image |
| 09:26.36 | timelyx | sbz: use a for loop and osso-screenshot-tool |
| 09:26.42 | timelyx | then use ms gif animator :) |
| 09:26.55 | sbz | erf |
| 09:27.00 | timelyx | use "sleep 5" between interations :) |
| 09:27.06 | timelyx | post the script when you're done |
| 09:28.17 | timelyx | anyone here speak german? |
| 09:28.38 | melmoth | i wish i did...i m learning it :) |
| 09:28.55 | timelyx | that might do |
| 09:28.57 | sbz | hi melmoth |
| 09:29.03 | melmoth | hi there sbz |
| 09:29.09 | timelyx | there's a bug in "Nokia 770:Utilities" that talks about backup and german |
| 09:29.18 | timelyx | can you try to reproduce what the reporter describes? |
| 09:29.26 | timelyx | i suspect it's a localization bug |
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| 09:29.31 | timelyx | or feature |
| 09:29.41 | melmoth | if i understand what he says, and can play with it on the n800 |
| 09:29.45 | melmoth | url ? |
| 09:30.50 | melmoth | bz 225 and 247 ? about the time zone ? |
| 09:31.33 | timelyx | it's about backup |
| 09:32.04 | melmoth | no, so it s nto those one . |
| 09:32.21 | melmoth | 293 Restore resource is wrong in backup application. |
| 09:33.06 | timelyx | yes |
| 09:33.15 | dev | timelyx: I do |
| 09:33.37 | timelyx | see melmoth's bug number |
| 09:34.17 | timelyx | there's no busybox component |
| 09:34.21 | melmoth | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=293 |
| 09:34.39 | melmoth | ok,now..how can i swtich this tablet in german ? :) |
| 09:34.49 | timelyx | open control panel |
| 09:34.49 | melmoth | hilfe hilfe |
| 09:35.01 | timelyx | find the flag (language & region) |
| 09:35.14 | melmoth | got it |
| 09:35.15 | timelyx | change the first drop down (device language) |
| 09:35.16 | _Monkey | timelyx: that doesn't look right |
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| 09:35.29 | timelyx | die _Monkey |
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| 09:36.31 | timelyx | 653 asks for gestures |
| 09:36.33 | timelyx | change the first drop down (device language) |
| 09:36.34 | _Monkey | timelyx: that doesn't look right |
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| 09:36.46 | timelyx | cool, now i can kill _Monkey whenever i feel like it |
| 09:36.51 | timelyx | bad _Monkey |
| 09:37.00 | dev | timelyx: I think you can close this one |
| 09:37.11 | melmoth | works for me (the label is wiederherstellen) |
| 09:37.19 | dev | yep |
| 09:37.23 | timelyx | can you guys fill in precise steps to reproduce |
| 09:37.36 | timelyx | that includes the os version you're using |
| 09:37.44 | melmoth | ok. |
| 09:37.46 | timelyx | i'll follow them at work and figure out which version fixed it or something |
| 09:41.00 | melmoth | ohh, i just relaise that Wiederhestellen (backup) share a word with Wiederhsen (see you again/good bye) :)) |
| 09:41.08 | melmoth | thanks for the german lesson maemo :) |
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| 09:43.53 | timelyx | so, where do i put invalid bugs about products not hosted by maemo? |
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| 10:05.11 | edistar | does anyone know what the middle pin of the battery connection is? |
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| 10:06.47 | muzero | hi to all |
| 10:07.58 | edistar | hey |
| 10:08.27 | muzero | i have a little problem installing packages on nokia 770... "dep package for armel and not for arm" and "i need maemo package for requisites" |
| 10:09.05 | timelyx | muzero: you understand that arm and armel aren't compatible, right? |
| 10:09.11 | muzero | where i can find "maemo" package to resolv dependencies? |
| 10:09.13 | muzero | sure |
| 10:09.27 | muzero | but i downloaded a nokia 770 deb package |
| 10:09.41 | muzero | sry for noob question |
| 10:13.08 | sbz | point on .install link when you can, it's more easier to install, link like that for example http://maemo-hackers.org/osso-xterm.install to install an xterm |
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| 10:14.49 | muzero | ok thx |
| 10:15.27 | muzero | i dont understand why i'm missing maemo package... |
| 10:15.29 | sbz | muzero: otherwise to resolv dependencies you can use "apt" on your shell |
| 10:15.59 | timelyx | muzero: could you possibly specify the 770 deb's url |
| 10:16.05 | timelyx | we don't understand what you're saying |
| 10:16.16 | timelyx | and if we could read the actual deb, life would be a lot clearer |
| 10:16.27 | muzero | k |
| 10:17.09 | muzero | i'm trying to install Cacao jvm |
| 10:17.10 | muzero | http://c1.complang.tuwien.ac.at/cacaowiki/Nokia770Howto |
| 10:17.36 | muzero | cacao depends by classhpath, and classhpath by maemo |
| 10:18.09 | timelyx | sbz: i don't suppose you can look? |
| 10:18.52 | muzero | http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/cacaojvm/download/testing/classpath_0.91-n770-2_arm.deb |
| 10:38.59 | timelyx | muzero: atm i'm wearing a hat that says "i reorganize bugs" it doesn't include "i speak debian" |
| 10:39.37 | timelyx | i have a newbie hat at work which says something like "i can almost vaguely understand how to hurt myself with debian packages as tko can attest", but it's not quite the hat you're looking for |
| 10:41.53 | muzero | ok thanks anyway |
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| 10:45.42 | timelyx | is itt usually painfully slow to load? |
| 10:51.27 | roope | It varies. |
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| 11:28.42 | ZenGeist | hi all |
| 11:28.51 | ZenGeist | I think there is many Linuxers |
| 11:29.03 | ZenGeist | And my question is... |
| 11:29.16 | ZenGeist | how I can convert avi for N800 by Linux |
| 11:29.20 | ZenGeist | ? |
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| 11:33.39 | melmoth | ZenGeist, http://maemo.org/community/wiki/videoencoding/ |
| 11:33.52 | melmoth | i use 770-encode |
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| 12:33.18 | dick-richardson | timelyx: you still on? your link isn't working for me: http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/sardine-20070531/source/sdk-default-icons-2.0/icons/26x26/ |
| 12:34.06 | timelyx | yeah, sorry, someone complained that my server contained content it shouldn't have had |
| 12:34.21 | timelyx | which means we'll have to get you browsing the file system, got a working web browser on your device? |
| 12:35.45 | dick-richardson | here's the info on my phone: http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=1052 |
| 12:36.13 | dick-richardson | on the phone I just have the |
| 12:36.13 | dick-richardson | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:36.14 | dick-richardson | version 2.0 |
| 12:36.47 | timelyx | ok, open web browser on device |
| 12:36.56 | timelyx | in the location bar, type /usr and tap the go button |
| 12:37.02 | timelyx | scroll to and tap in order: |
| 12:37.39 | timelyx | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:37.50 | timelyx | appmenu>tools>find on page |
| 12:38.06 | timelyx | btno (tap find go button) |
| 12:38.31 | timelyx | open each btno file in turn until you find the one that matches how bluetooth shows your phone |
| 12:38.58 | dick-richardson | kk, looking at 'em now |
| 12:39.50 | timelyx | http://erms.samsungusa.com/customer/sea/jsp/faqs/faqs_view.jsp?SITE_ID=22&PG_ID=557&PROD_SUB_ID=689&PROD_ID=742&AT_ID=73853 |
| 12:40.03 | timelyx | should hopefully get you your firmware version |
| 12:40.10 | dick-richardson | I'm telling you which one matches the icon for the phone on the n800 |
| 12:40.21 | timelyx | yes |
| 12:40.52 | timelyx | the goal is to provide as much information as you can in advance of someone actually getting your phone |
| 12:42.11 | dick-richardson | in the bluetooth section...the key...qgn_list_btno_authorized_new.png |
| 12:42.57 | dick-richardson | that's what I see when I click control panel --> bluetooth --> devices |
| 12:44.40 | dick-richardson | go to that url on the phone? |
| 12:44.52 | timelyx | no, any web browser |
| 12:44.53 | timelyx | it's instructions |
| 12:44.59 | timelyx | sorry, i should have specified |
| 12:45.03 | dick-richardson | kk |
| 12:45.41 | dick-richardson | the bluetooth profiles look right? |
| 12:46.23 | timelyx | um. sorry, i'm a browser dev |
| 12:46.37 | timelyx | i only know bluetooth profiles when i read them in devices :) |
| 12:46.45 | dick-richardson | np, you want software version? hardware version? both? |
| 12:46.49 | sp3000 | speaking of which, the mangle to width mode really likes to scroll to top a lot |
| 12:46.55 | sbz | http://openbossa.indt.org/canola/, really fun |
| 12:47.08 | timelyx | i take as much information as i can get, so "both" is always the right answer |
| 12:47.20 | dick-richardson | s/w: u420.zh09 |
| 12:47.29 | timelyx | note: you don't really need to tell me in the channel, it's sufficient to collect the information |
| 12:47.37 | timelyx | and then add all of it to an additional comment in the bug |
| 12:47.42 | timelyx | (one comment, all the information) |
| 12:47.44 | dick-richardson | gotcha...add to the bug...little slow this morning |
| 12:48.08 | timelyx | it's nearly 4pm here, and i've been reorganizing bugzilla since 10:30pm last night |
| 12:52.50 | dick-richardson | that's dedication |
| 12:55.07 | dick-richardson | Supported profiles with a link to the phone specs, the icon listed in the bluetooth control panel, and the s/w and h/w versions of the phone - anything else? |
| 12:55.48 | timelyx | oh right, other devices/platforms you have that do work w/ it |
| 12:55.54 | timelyx | especially linux related creatures |
| 12:56.12 | dick-richardson | alright, only thing is a holux gps receiver |
| 12:56.13 | timelyx | if you have such things, figure out which library/version is providing that compatibility |
| 12:56.25 | timelyx | nah, i mean, does your laptop pair w/ the phone |
| 12:56.27 | timelyx | or your desktop |
| 12:56.38 | dick-richardson | ahh, nothing else I have has bluetooth :( |
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| 12:58.37 | timelyx | ok, i can't think of anything else |
| 13:04.14 | timelyx | Interesting |
| 13:04.26 | timelyx | the regional list is bigger than the Localization list |
| 13:07.47 | sp3000 | hmm, microb 1.0.1 (per about:), microb-browser 0.0.8-3 (package) o_O |
| 13:09.48 | timelyx | yeah well, um. bug romaxa |
| 13:10.31 | timelyx | they're the fun ones, right? |
| 13:10.34 | sp3000 | I presume the 1.0.1 is the less useful one, since things probably require 0.0.8-3 to increment |
| 13:11.08 | sp3000 | norwegians? dunno, haven't tried really |
| 13:11.21 | timelyx | sp3000: i don't suppose you remember if we ship bokmal or nynorsk? |
| 13:11.30 | timelyx | (question's open to everyone) |
| 13:11.33 | sp3000 | oh, darn, gotta rescue laundry, brb |
| 13:18.09 | whaq | hey guys, is there a way to set Claws email to replace the default osso mailer? |
| 13:21.48 | sp3000 | wee, fx decided to swap to death on google :D |
| 13:22.54 | timelyx | whaq: well, nokia is replacing claws |
| 13:22.57 | timelyx | so it must be possible |
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| 13:23.21 | timelyx | you can look at how they did it |
| 13:23.36 | timelyx | don't ask me the name, i can't remember :), i think it's modest (tinymail) |
| 13:23.56 | timelyx | sp3000: so, any idea where localizations would be? |
| 13:24.16 | whaq | timelyx: what do you mean? Is Nokia replacing the default email w/ Claws? |
| 13:24.32 | whaq | oh yeah, i read that (tinymail) |
| 13:24.44 | timelyx | oh sorry, replacing whatever w/ i think tinymail |
| 13:24.52 | timelyx | *shrug* point is it's being replaced |
| 13:24.56 | timelyx | so it must be possible :) |
| 13:25.02 | timelyx | it's all gconf / .desktop magic |
| 13:25.15 | whaq | Well yes, it's possible to code anything on an open platform that they're developing :P |
| 13:25.19 | timelyx | isn't no-no the incorrect thing? |
| 13:25.54 | timelyx | afaik we can currently swap mailers |
| 13:26.46 | whaq | can? so that it reposponds to the 'new mail' shortcut on the home screen menu and also new-mail indicator there? |
| 13:26.56 | whaq | s/reposponds/responds |
| 13:28.25 | timelyx | i'd assume so |
| 13:28.33 | timelyx | personally, i've never really used either of them |
| 13:28.43 | timelyx | the most i got w/ the old one was a bug in the account setup wizard |
| 13:29.04 | timelyx | and w/ the new one, i just pointed out that the details dialog was narrower than the message window for content that was wider |
| 13:29.09 | timelyx | that's as far as i got |
| 13:29.18 | timelyx | i haven't even bothered to give either mail accounts |
| 13:30.00 | whaq | I've installed claws, and it acts like a completely independent standalone mail apps. It does not affect the default mail at all. |
| 13:30.01 | erstazi | whaq: do you have a 770 or n800? |
| 13:30.07 | whaq | erstazi: n800 |
| 13:30.18 | erstazi | whaq: ok, nevermind |
| 13:30.29 | whaq | erstazi: ok |
| 13:30.33 | erstazi | I was going to say something pertaining to OS2006 but I don't know if it holds true for OS2007 |
| 13:31.07 | whaq | erstazi: i wouldn't mind knowing that, do share please |
| 13:31.25 | erstazi | whaq: nah I don't want to brick your device! |
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| 13:31.49 | erstazi | whaq: and if you edit the gconf and .desktop, it should do the trick |
| 13:31.51 | whaq | erstazi: ooh, now u gotta tell me what that was :P |
| 13:32.26 | whaq | erstazi: i'm going to set sd-boot within this week. I'll be able to afford to mess things up more afterward. |
| 13:32.58 | erstazi | whaq: well, I think gconf and .desktop take higher presedence over applications.menu |
| 13:33.10 | erstazi | s/presedence/precedence/ |
| 13:33.38 | whaq | the bot makes a useful retype monkey too, eh |
| 13:34.30 | whaq | ok, will try that out |
| 13:34.46 | erstazi | whaq: yeah I would focus on the gconf and .desktop |
| 13:35.07 | erstazi | whaq: timelyx knows more on that information than I do (: |
| 13:36.39 | timelyx | i really don't |
| 13:36.52 | timelyx | unless timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/ happens to index modest |
| 13:36.57 | timelyx | in which case, anyone here could look |
| 13:37.34 | timelyx | yippee, lightning |
| 13:38.16 | sp3000 | wonder if I'm going to run out of router ports tonight :P |
| 13:39.19 | sp3000 | go even |
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| 13:39.46 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 13:40.39 | erstazi | morning Jaffa |
| 13:41.52 | whaq | is there any particular online documentation about gconf & .desktop to consult? (I haven't googled yet) |
| 13:42.04 | timelyx | sp3000: can you find a place for bug 191 to die in |
| 13:42.05 | _Monkey | Bug 191 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=191 |
| 13:42.29 | timelyx | whaq: personally timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/ browse through .desktop files :) |
| 13:42.37 | whaq | timelyx: thakn you, will do |
| 13:42.42 | whaq | s/thakn/thank |
| 13:42.44 | timelyx | i think find isn't working |
| 13:42.53 | timelyx | not sure, maybe it does |
| 13:43.07 | timelyx | oh, it's /gnome/ that doesn't work |
| 13:43.17 | timelyx | garage should, so yeah, use find?string=\.desktop :) |
| 13:43.33 | timelyx | if you're curious about a certain line, try: |
| 13:43.40 | timelyx | search?string=foopy&find=\.desktop |
| 13:44.12 | whaq | yup, got it |
| 13:45.19 | timelyx | the sources aren't necessarily current, but there should be links at the top of each source file to something like VC Log |
| 13:45.24 | timelyx | or VC Blame |
| 13:45.32 | timelyx | which should get you to the svn system |
| 13:47.38 | sp3000 | timelyx: desktop / user interaction is the closest I can think of |
| 13:48.35 | whaq | isn't .desktop used for desktop applets? |
| 13:48.41 | sp3000 | or system / general |
| 13:49.25 | whaq | how does it affect the menu items? (Web & Contacts, in particular the email related entries in Contact) |
| 13:50.41 | timelyx | sp3000: i'll buy the former |
| 13:52.17 | straind | Anyone have any information on connecting to bluetooth devices (other than phone or gps)? |
| 13:54.15 | Jaffa | timelyx: definitely liking watching the ripple of Bugzilla notifications during your re-org. Making a lot of sense :) |
| 13:55.50 | sp3000 | what the heck |
| 13:56.11 | sp3000 | does ubuntu disable cad somewhere?! |
| 13:58.12 | timelyx | Jaffa: cool |
| 13:58.16 | timelyx | i'm at the sucky parts now |
| 13:58.35 | timelyx | i might actually call it a day, go out for a movie and ask for help |
| 13:59.29 | MCCob | anyone manage to install recent Micro-B for Maemo 2006 (Nokia 770) ? |
| 13:59.39 | timelyx | Jaffa: actually, instead of that |
| 13:59.51 | sp3000 | for a moment there I thought there was smoke coming out of my ears but turns out it was just lunch |
| 13:59.58 | timelyx | can you look through https://bugs.maemo.org/describecomponents.cgi and figure out what i'm missing? |
| 14:00.16 | timelyx | so far, help application, documentation, and input methods are missing |
| 14:00.21 | Jaffa | will do. Just got to get to my desk ;-) |
| 14:00.43 | Jaffa | (in the middle of dramatic sorting of our study) |
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| 14:02.03 | timelyx | oh, i'm looking for suggestions about where those should live |
| 14:02.07 | timelyx | i've put help into applications |
| 14:02.13 | timelyx | but documentation and input methods, um.. |
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| 14:02.34 | Jaffa | Documentation should either be top-level or under "Web site" |
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| 14:02.56 | Jaffa | Input Methods: top-level (not best), or System Software? |
| 14:03.41 | timelyx | i'll go w/ top level for documentation |
| 14:03.50 | timelyx | system software is where i was leaning for the other |
| 14:03.56 | Jaffa | Agreed. That's best, I think. |
| 14:04.13 | MCCob | Anyone have Nokia 770 ? :) |
| 14:04.38 | timelyx | MCCob: i'm running 2.2006, microb requires 3.2006 |
| 14:04.49 | timelyx | i haven't gotten around to poking romaxa enough or trying to fix it |
| 14:04.57 | MCCob | what is 3.2006 ? |
| 14:05.03 | timelyx | i'm running 3.2007 w/ microb (microb requires 4.2007) |
| 14:05.11 | timelyx | latest :) |
| 14:05.22 | MCCob | Micro-b not longer require 2007 ! |
| 14:05.37 | MCCob | see : http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/6/ |
| 14:05.42 | timelyx | http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/6/ |
| 14:05.48 | timelyx | oh |
| 14:05.49 | MCCob | :) |
| 14:05.57 | timelyx | yes, that's for 2006, not 2007 |
| 14:06.02 | MCCob | yes :) |
| 14:06.17 | timelyx | but it requires 3.2006, and i have 2.2006, so no microb for me |
| 14:06.27 | MCCob | where we can see that ? |
| 14:06.27 | _Monkey | that is probably something that no one else has done yet |
| 14:06.33 | MCCob | 3.2006 or 2.2006 ? |
| 14:06.34 | _Monkey | 3 |
| 14:06.47 | timelyx | control panel>device>about product |
| 14:06.49 | timelyx | _Monkey forget that |
| 14:06.50 | _Monkey | timelyx: I forgot that |
| 14:06.52 | MCCob | ok |
| 14:06.55 | timelyx | _Monkey that is <reply> |
| 14:06.56 | _Monkey | OK, timelyx. |
| 14:07.12 | timelyx | 3 or 7 |
| 14:07.13 | _Monkey | 7 |
| 14:07.19 | timelyx | 2 or 1 |
| 14:07.19 | _Monkey | 3 |
| 14:07.32 | MCCob | 3.2006.49-2 |
| 14:07.33 | _Monkey | rumour has it 3.2006.49-2 is the last (final) version of OS 2006 so you're up to date |
| 14:07.38 | timelyx | change the first drop down (device language) |
| 14:07.39 | _Monkey | timelyx: that doesn't look right |
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| 14:08.28 | timelyx | sp3000: ok, how about things like 23 |
| 14:08.38 | MCCob | <timelyx> change the first drop down (device language) it is for manage to install micro-b ? |
| 14:08.55 | timelyx | MCCob: how to kill _Monkey in one easy step |
| 14:09.04 | MCCob | ok lol |
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| 14:12.45 | timelyx | sp3000: how do herring/sardine relate to 3.0? |
| 14:13.14 | timelyx | oh right... |
| 14:13.26 | timelyx | Jaffa, if you have time, pick a js enabled browser, load bugs.maemo.org/query.cgi |
| 14:13.28 | erstazi | _Monkey became intelligent! |
| 14:13.29 | _Monkey | erstazi: excuse me? |
| 14:13.41 | timelyx | erstazi: he learned how to run away from me, yes :) |
| 14:13.50 | erstazi | timelyx: heh |
| 14:13.55 | Jaffa | timelyx: on a Maemo device? |
| 14:13.56 | timelyx | click each product in turn and figure out which products have versions that are inconsistent |
| 14:14.03 | timelyx | Jaffa: no, any browser will do |
| 14:14.04 | Jaffa | Ah, cool |
| 14:14.23 | erstazi | ugh, not a good day today |
| 14:14.30 | sp3000 | timelyx: no idea, it's all fish to me |
| 14:14.49 | erstazi | timelyx: how are the bugs going? |
| 14:14.56 | timelyx | erstazi: slowly atm |
| 14:15.00 | timelyx | they refuse to have good places to live |
| 14:15.09 | erstazi | timelyx: if you would like help, I can assist |
| 14:15.37 | timelyx | erstazi: i think at this point i'll take it |
| 14:15.39 | timelyx | a few notes: |
| 14:15.43 | timelyx | 1. don't comment in bugs |
| 14:15.46 | erstazi | I need some Guinness |
| 14:15.48 | timelyx | 2. before you start working, edit prefs |
| 14:15.56 | sp3000 | timelyx: 23? dev plat / rootstrap I think |
| 14:15.58 | timelyx | click permissions |
| 14:16.06 | erstazi | timelyx: heh |
| 14:16.06 | timelyx | make sure you have editubgs |
| 14:16.10 | timelyx | if you don't, tell me |
| 14:16.17 | timelyx | same goes to the rest of you living people |
| 14:16.25 | timelyx | you dead people can stay dead for all i care :) |
| 14:16.36 | Jaffa | timelyx: dosfstools, installer, other have inconsistencies and shouldn't be there anyway (IMHO). sdk-* shouldn't be there either. Not sure about "herring" and "sardine" in "System software". Shouldn't all the products go up to the announced 5.0 series? |
| 14:16.42 | erstazi | timelyx: btw, just curious, how many bugs are there total? (don't have to look, just wondering if you knew off the top of your head) |
| 14:16.54 | timelyx | slightly over 1900 |
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| 14:16.58 | timelyx | i filed 1900 on friday |
| 14:17.15 | erstazi | timelyx: thats not bad at all considering the amount of people who use these devices |
| 14:17.24 | erstazi | timelyx: I was expecting more (: |
| 14:17.41 | timelyx | we have ~530 bug reporters |
| 14:17.42 | erstazi | timelyx: does that include back when OS2005 was alive and common? |
| 14:17.48 | timelyx | and <90 assignees |
| 14:18.01 | timelyx | erstazi: this includes everything |
| 14:18.04 | erstazi | timelyx: thats about the ratio of what other large projects have |
| 14:18.18 | erstazi | but having more assignees cannot hurt (: |
| 14:18.37 | timelyx | oh, i need to create dummy accounts for applications |
| 14:18.40 | timelyx | i should do that next |
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| 14:19.36 | erstazi | hi _guardian |
| 14:20.43 | timelyx | oh right |
| 14:20.57 | timelyx | one thing i need to do when i'm done is make a bunch of the old qa contacts watch the new ones |
| 14:22.21 | timelyx | ooh, there is an "im" |
| 14:22.27 | timelyx | what a clever name for a component |
| 14:22.33 | erstazi | heh |
| 14:22.55 | erstazi | timelyx: what server-side language does bugs.* use? |
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| 14:23.09 | timelyx | bugzilla = perl |
| 14:23.14 | erstazi | hi alex-weej |
| 14:23.26 | erstazi | timelyx: ah we had this talk then, I was verifying that its so |
| 14:25.08 | erstazi | well I am going to relax |
| 14:26.39 | roope | http://xa.mine.nu/uploads/Kuvat/JPG/HauskatMuut/Windows_Vista_Aero_WOW.jpg :) |
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| 14:28.26 | erstazi | roope: heh |
| 14:28.42 | erstazi | sp3000: vm as in virtual machine? |
| 14:28.44 | WhisperingVoices | Hey all. Any Nokia N800 users have time to talk to me privately? |
| 14:28.55 | timelyx | virtual memory |
| 14:29.03 | erstazi | aye |
| 14:29.13 | sp3000 | erstazi: memory, such that fx doesn't dos my laptop with swapping when it goes for a loop |
| 14:29.25 | erstazi | sp3000: heh |
| 14:29.43 | erstazi | I understand virtual memory, just got my brain on virtual machines at the moment |
| 14:29.56 | timelyx | erstazi: see, sp3000's laptop doesn't have 4gb of ram |
| 14:30.01 | erstazi | easy portability with them and thin clients make life easier in some aspect |
| 14:30.06 | timelyx | so he can't do what i do when firefox wants 4gb :) |
| 14:30.07 | erstazi | timelyx: neither does mine |
| 14:30.12 | timelyx | (i.e. i ignore firefox) |
| 14:30.19 | erstazi | timelyx: heh |
| 14:31.35 | timelyx | erstazi: fwiw, on linux, you don't actually get 4gb firefoxes (2gb limit) |
| 14:32.37 | erstazi | timelyx: I am on Linux (: |
| 14:34.04 | timelyx | oh right... |
| 14:34.19 | timelyx | Jaffa/ sp3000: i'm considering moving all the tableteer stuff to their own product |
| 14:34.22 | timelyx | objetions? |
| 14:36.21 | jufo | where i can find vmware easy-to-use maemo 3.2 sdk image? |
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| 14:37.26 | jufo | this one is latest version? http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/1008 |
| 14:37.36 | ekim|irc_ | AHHHH |
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| 14:37.38 | ekim|irc_ | I cant decide |
| 14:37.42 | ekim|irc_ | red Pill or Blue Pill |
| 14:37.43 | ekim|irc_ | :( |
| 14:37.59 | ekim|irc_ | Thats a cdoes blue pill do anything , or is it just there to be funny |
| 14:38.09 | timelyx | undoes redpill |
| 14:38.15 | ekim|irc_ | ohh |
| 14:38.20 | timelyx | how else do you expect to get out of the rabbit hole? |
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| 14:38.32 | ekim|irc_ | Why would I want to get oout of therabit hole |
| 14:38.35 | ekim|irc_ | I would never catch the rabbitr |
| 14:38.48 | ekim|irc_ | maybe he could teach me how to type :) |
| 14:39.26 | ekim|irc_ | wow |
| 14:39.29 | ekim|irc_ | red pill is soocool |
| 14:39.29 | whaq | rabbit teaches reading.. |
| 14:39.32 | erstazi | ekim|irc_: having fingers first helps (: |
| 14:39.36 | ekim|irc_ | so thats where all those packages are |
| 14:39.36 | whaq | it's mavis beacon if you need typing help |
| 14:39.51 | timelyx | there were a couple of competitors to mavis |
| 14:39.58 | ekim|irc_ | twust mee I kan tyez gud |
| 14:39.59 | timelyx | i can't remember their names, but i do remember using them |
| 14:40.13 | ekim|irc_ | Like regular linux packages |
| 14:40.16 | ekim|irc_ | like gcc and automake |
| 14:40.24 | ekim|irc_ | the "Good Stuff" |
| 14:40.24 | erstazi | ekim|irc_: is your speech good? you could always use speech to text |
| 14:40.28 | ekim|irc_ | Not just the safe stuff |
| 14:40.37 | ekim|irc_ | Ahh...text to speech never works for me |
| 14:40.38 | whaq | well, mavis beacon is quite closely related to aunt jemima |
| 14:40.54 | erstazi | ekim|irc_: thats because you cannot type, try speech to text heh |
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| 14:41.00 | ekim|irc_ | they both need to go get stuck in that rabit hole... |
| 14:41.05 | ekim|irc_ | although...I do like waffles :) |
| 14:41.13 | ekim|irc_ | Here we go |
| 14:41.15 | ekim|irc_ | a bash package |
| 14:41.15 | ekim|irc_ | nice |
| 14:41.20 | whaq | they're both imaginary characters.. |
| 14:41.24 | ekim|irc_ | bz2 |
| 14:41.29 | ekim|irc_ | nice , nice |
| 14:41.47 | ekim|irc_ | grrrr... |
| 14:41.50 | ekim|irc_ | I cant believe this |
| 14:42.04 | ekim|irc_ | canolia doesn't have an i18n package or esperanto |
| 14:44.51 | ZenGeist | :( |
| 14:44.52 | ZenGeist | zengeist@spectre ~ $ ./770-encode.pl --preset=best 28.nedel.spustja.DVDRip.avi 28.nedel.spustja.n800.avi |
| 14:44.53 | ZenGeist | Failed to get movie info. |
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| 14:45.06 | ZenGeist | What's wrong? |
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| 14:47.27 | Jaffa | ZenGeist: what happens if you do mplayer 28.nedel.spustja.DVDRip.avi ? |
| 14:47.41 | Jaffa | Similarly, `which mencoder' |
| 14:48.29 | Jaffa | timelyx: happy for me to move #1695 to the "User interface" component? |
| 14:49.04 | timelyx | yeah |
| 14:49.15 | timelyx | don't forget to select reassign |
| 14:49.37 | timelyx | woohoo, my n800 rebooted |
| 14:50.44 | Jaffa | timelyx: it's currently unassigned, so no issue there ;). What about "QA contact" (currently opera-engine-bugs@maemo.org (and shouldn't that really be an @nokia or @opera (ideally) address)? |
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| 14:51.06 | timelyx | Jaffa: select the (*) reassign to defaults |
| 14:51.11 | timelyx | bugzilla will do the rest |
| 14:51.23 | timelyx | i'll explain in a blog how the reorg works when i'm done |
| 14:51.47 | Jaffa | timelyx: only got "leave as new", unless I'm being particularly blind. |
| 14:52.04 | timelyx | but in short if you load https://bugs.maemo.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email#watchedusers |
| 14:52.12 | timelyx | Jaffa: what's your bugmail account |
| 14:52.17 | timelyx | remember my earlier request |
| 14:52.28 | timelyx | load https://bugs.maemo.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=permissions |
| 14:52.35 | timelyx | if you don't have editbugs, tell me your account name |
| 14:52.45 | Jaffa | ah, no. andrew@bleb.org |
| 14:53.24 | Jaffa | Bugzilla's permissions model is seriously broken in the UI dept if it has enabled drop-downs for something you're not allowed to do. |
| 14:53.27 | timelyx | ok, reload permissions and the bug |
| 14:53.29 | Jaffa | <mutter /> |
| 14:53.41 | Jaffa | Tick, tick. Ta :) |
| 14:53.49 | timelyx | newer versions show you fewer drop downs when you can't change things |
| 14:53.53 | timelyx | not sure if it's perfect |
| 14:53.56 | timelyx | but bugs.maemo is fairly old |
| 14:54.12 | timelyx | and i'm usually a fairly powerful user |
| 14:54.45 | timelyx | i intend to remove canconfirm from normal users too, i haven't yet |
| 14:55.06 | timelyx | w/o canconfirm, people will see the enter_bug.cgi?format=guided instead of what you see |
| 14:56.07 | timelyx | anyway, new qa contacts are "watchable", they get no mail of their own, but you can fill their names into the field in the email tab url to get the mail they would get according to your preferences |
| 14:58.13 | timelyx | can someone w/ microb try loading... http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/index.xml |
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| 14:58.21 | timelyx | my devices don't seem to like my phone |
| 14:58.24 | Blacksitox | buenos dias :) |
| 14:58.43 | Blacksitox | hello |
| 14:58.43 | _Monkey | que tal, Blacksitox |
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| 14:59.49 | Blacksitox | hey _Monkey hablas español ? :O |
| 15:00.01 | Blacksitox | speak spanish ? xD |
| 15:00.24 | timelyx | no, nosotros no hablamos espanol |
| 15:01.37 | sp3000 | garage isn't talking to me |
| 15:02.10 | sp3000 | heh, funny feature in the browser ui |
| 15:02.23 | Blacksitox | timelyx, de donde eres ? |
| 15:02.35 | Blacksitox | es que poco o nada se ingles, por eso ni escribo :P |
| 15:03.07 | timelyx | de los estados unidos ... |
| 15:03.14 | sp3000 | while it's 'connecting', tap the ...um, 'go' button again |
| 15:03.29 | Blacksitox | timelyx, pff yo soy de Bolivia |
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| 15:03.33 | sp3000 | the indeterminate progress for 'connecting' goes faster each press :D |
| 15:03.39 | timelyx | heh |
| 15:03.42 | timelyx | file a bug :) |
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| 15:07.09 | timelyx | sp3000: think connectivity would mind if i gave it a DNS component? :) |
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| 15:15.52 | timelyx | ooh, i can make my own ICD component |
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| 15:16.01 | timelyx | "This component is here so that timeless can complain about it sucking" |
| 15:16.43 | sp3000 | heh |
| 15:17.03 | sp3000 | Bluetooth for problems recognizing, detecting, interoperating with bluetooth devices? |
| 15:17.35 | sp3000 | s/Bluetooth for problems // |
| 15:17.36 | timelyx | think i'm missing an "and" somewhere? |
| 15:17.50 | sp3000 | s/, inter/, and inter/ |
| 15:18.05 | timelyx | hrm |
| 15:18.09 | sp3000 | infobot: you silly bot, you don't do subsequent substs? |
| 15:18.31 | timelyx | infobot: change the first drop down (device language) |
| 15:18.32 | _Monkey | timelyx: that doesn't look right |
| 15:18.45 | timelyx | darn, it only kills one |
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| 15:39.32 | timelyx | oh, that's funny |
| 15:39.38 | timelyx | we have Rhapsody and Camera, but not Skype |
| 15:39.57 | timelyx | ok, poll |
| 15:40.01 | timelyx | is Skype Communications? |
| 15:41.53 | Jaffa | Yes. I tshould be. |
| 15:43.14 | timelyx | we have Applications and Communication |
| 15:43.17 | timelyx | should it be Communications? |
| 15:43.58 | Jaffa | No. |
| 15:44.33 | Jaffa | "Applications" contains application X, application Y and application Z; so it's plural. "Communication" is describing an activity |
| 15:46.41 | timelyx | ok |
| 15:46.46 | timelyx | it's about time for me to go |
| 15:46.55 | timelyx | todo list for you guys: |
| 15:47.33 | timelyx | empty (nokia 770/applications):(core/desktop/hardware/ User interface and graphics and style) |
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| 15:48.41 | timelyx | also nokia 770:(browser/connectivity/messaging/utilities) |
| 15:48.53 | timelyx | messaging goes to communication |
| 15:49.04 | timelyx | utilities go to applications:{whichever app} |
| 15:49.11 | timelyx | connectivity and browser are products |
| 15:49.19 | timelyx | desktop is a product |
| 15:49.28 | timelyx | core is either desktop or system-something |
| 15:49.37 | timelyx | hardware, um, good luck |
| 15:50.01 | setite | how do i assort my apps |
| 15:50.04 | setite | on an n800 |
| 15:50.11 | setite | all of them being in extras is annoying |
| 15:50.17 | timelyx | open control panel |
| 15:50.19 | setite | i'd like to make some new categories |
| 15:50.19 | timelyx | open naviation |
| 15:50.29 | timelyx | click organize |
| 15:50.46 | setite | bingo.. thanks |
| 15:52.56 | timelyx | fkb and vkb now live in system software |
| 15:53.07 | timelyx | hopefully that's enough for you guys to play w/ |
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| 15:57.45 | Tahitibob | Hi |
| 15:57.45 | _Monkey | hi, Tahitibob |
| 15:57.57 | Tahitibob | little question about the N800 : |
| 15:58.09 | Tahitibob | are the card slots hotplug ? |
| 15:58.20 | setite | seem to be... |
| 15:58.27 | setite | not sure what you mean though |
| 15:58.42 | setite | ive never heard of memory cards not being hotplug |
| 15:58.53 | Tahitibob | can i add and remove mmc cards whem the N800 is on |
| 15:59.05 | setite | an mmc card that has the OS you booted too? |
| 15:59.21 | setite | or just an mmc with media or docs on it |
| 15:59.34 | Tahitibob | only for data |
| 15:59.42 | setite | actually either way im not sure.. i use SD... and i dunno if mmc is somehow different |
| 15:59.48 | setite | i know i can pull sd cards out at will |
| 16:00.07 | setite | and put new ones in and canola will sense and read them... as does the nokia itself |
| 16:00.15 | setite | is mmc different? |
| 16:00.34 | Tahitibob | ok, I try now |
| 16:00.55 | setite | anyone having vnc problems |
| 16:00.58 | sp3000 | I need to make a groove for a fingernail :) |
| 16:01.01 | setite | i cant tell which end im having problems on |
| 16:01.25 | setite | i cant get into my main rig through vnc even with teh ports forwarded |
| 16:02.14 | setite | ok a port check shows the port is closed |
| 16:02.54 | Tahitibob | ok, i see messages (wihtdmesg) when inserting the mcc |
| 16:03.26 | Tahitibob | but the N800 does not recognize it |
| 16:03.53 | setite | not showing int he file manager? |
| 16:04.11 | Tahitibob | no |
| 16:04.14 | setite | oddness |
| 16:04.30 | setite | so it senses the card... but doesnt append the card to the list of devices in teh file manager |
| 16:04.45 | setite | .... car is confirmed to be formatted in a linux friendly FS? |
| 16:05.03 | Tahitibob | FAT16 |
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| 16:05.20 | red-zack | witch file manager do you guys use? |
| 16:05.29 | Tahitibob | it an old mmc card, 32 Mo |
| 16:06.53 | kupesoft | I've noticed a bizarre connectivity issue with the n800. When connected to a Atheros (madwifi) / WPA access point, the connection is completely flaky and barely works (I can't even ping the n800 from the network) because it constantly disconnected. Then when I connect to a OpenWRT router (broadcom) with WEP, it works as expected. What's wrong here? |
| 16:06.59 | kupesoft | Both networks work fine with other computers, |
| 16:07.40 | setite | i use the default red-zack is there a better one |
| 16:07.46 | setite | i want one that shows my /bin and shit |
| 16:08.08 | setite | openwrt is good.. madwifi is shite? |
| 16:08.34 | setite | well computers are a great deal more forgiving than portable hardware |
| 16:09.02 | setite | nothing on the forum about atheros connectivity issues? |
| 16:09.44 | setite | man i love ddwrt but someone in the irc channel needs to wake the hell up |
| 16:09.56 | setite | ive been having port forwarding issues that are driving me nuts |
| 16:09.58 | setite | i need vnc |
| 16:10.56 | sp3000 | ah well, as usual, the head of a refillable pencil turns out to be a superior grooving tool |
| 16:13.34 | kupesoft | I turned off hostapd on the madwifi network, with WEP + madwifi, same problem. |
| 16:13.42 | kupesoft | I think it's a hardware issue? |
| 16:13.46 | kupesoft | Atheros + n800 = :( |
| 16:14.18 | setite | why use wep anyway |
| 16:14.22 | setite | i like wpa |
| 16:14.35 | setite | i think wpa can be cracked too though... now |
| 16:14.56 | kupesoft | setite: Only if jack the ripper can guess your passphrase |
| 16:16.22 | setite | ya your right... i just read up on the wpa crack |
| 16:16.25 | setite | i feel safe again |
| 16:16.46 | setite | i use wpa and mac filtering |
| 16:16.52 | setite | and i dont broadcast my ssid |
| 16:17.05 | setite | which seems to be makign my sirius stilletto angry |
| 16:17.22 | setite | it seems unable to see unbroadcast ssid |
| 16:17.28 | setite | even if configured already |
| 16:17.35 | setite | jack the ripper eh |
| 16:17.41 | setite | niceness |
| 16:19.05 | sp3000 | ahh, someone's packaged netcat |
| 16:20.08 | setite | so im reading that radius is harder to crach than psk |
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| 16:20.15 | setite | anyoen familiar with radius |
| 16:20.23 | setite | my router supports it.. should i enable it |
| 16:20.52 | timelE61i | do you have a radius server? |
| 16:21.08 | melmoth | kjbad are you here ? |
| 16:21.51 | sp3000 | hrm, I can't have netcat keep listening on a port after a connection ends can I :\ |
| 16:22.47 | setite | radius server? |
| 16:22.58 | timelE61i | you should be able to... |
| 16:23.09 | setite | what do you mean by radius server |
| 16:23.22 | melmoth | is it me or there are lots of issue about install manager telling an already installed package is not installed recently ? |
| 16:23.35 | setite | brb im gonna reboot my router to see if that fixes my nat |
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| 16:25.00 | setite | k back |
| 16:25.12 | setite | lets hope vnc works now |
| 16:25.43 | setite | is my port forwarding failing? |
| 16:25.50 | setite | maybe the only forwarding working is the upnp |
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| 16:32.07 | WhisperingVoices | Does anyone here have an N800 and a few minutes to spare to field some really basic queries? |
| 16:32.48 | sp3000 | hmm, should we have a bugzilla announce bot for triage fun? |
| 16:33.11 | sp3000 | considering the colume of changes on a regular day it should not exactly be disruptive |
| 16:33.15 | sp3000 | volume, even |
| 16:33.40 | melmoth | WhisperingVoices, ask anyway, people may reply (as far as i m concern, i only have 10 mn) |
| 16:35.37 | WhisperingVoices | Okay. I'm considering buying an N800, but I haven't used Linux much before. How much of a hassle is it to keep upgraded, also there appear to be two expansion cards with slightly different appearances. Does this mean there are two slots of different types and I get one slot per card? Is it purely aesthetic? These are questions I haven't been able to answer from reviews or Googling. Thanks. |
| 16:35.47 | WhisperingVoices | Just two really simple questions :) |
| 16:36.19 | melmoth | keeping it upgraded is a bit of a hassle, compared to regular linux distribution |
| 16:36.33 | melmoth | you have to "reflash" the machine from scratch, and then reinstall all the application you like. |
| 16:36.46 | melmoth | plus reset things to your liking. |
| 16:36.57 | WhisperingVoices | Oh :/ |
| 16:37.23 | melmoth | I have 2 slot on mine, same card format. one external (near the usb port), another internal. |
| 16:37.35 | melmoth | external one behave funny sometimes. :-( |
| 16:37.55 | WhisperingVoices | In that case, one additional question - I use WINE to run a PC application called "Brainstorm" which I find really useful, one of my laptops. Is the N800 likely to be able to do that? I would ask if there were any Linux Brainstorm-like applications but I don't know how to classify it |
| 16:38.15 | melmoth | no, do not hope that much. |
| 16:38.26 | melmoth | i mean to use wine on the n800 |
| 16:38.45 | melmoth | windows binary are for i386, this is an arm, i doubt it may work . |
| 16:39.00 | melmoth | what is brainstorm doing ? |
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| 16:40.21 | WhisperingVoices | It's an organisational software. I'll send you the website in query so I don't get hit for advertising or something. |
| 16:41.10 | WhisperingVoices | Basically you can just type stuff in headings and directories and it ends up organised. |
| 16:41.27 | melmoth | i do not know of a similar program... But may be the GPE set of tools has a similar stuff ? |
| 16:41.41 | melmoth | if you dont find it in GPE , search freshmeat.net |
| 16:41.48 | melmoth | then , try to port it :) |
| 16:42.13 | melmoth | you may try that out without the tablet, by using scratchbox and so on? |
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| 16:42.51 | WhisperingVoices | Thanks, I'll look into that |
| 16:44.46 | sp3000 | timelE61i: was there something you wanted to do about bugs alias=in-*? I only see one atm |
| 16:45.03 | timelE61i | chage to int- |
| 16:45.13 | sp3000 | done |
| 16:45.14 | timelE61i | also nb- or nb#- |
| 16:47.11 | sp3000 | 12 |
| 16:48.37 | timelE61i | we should have a wiki page documenting these practices |
| 16:49.17 | setite | ok this vnc shit is pissing me off.. anyone use RealVNC??? |
| 16:50.17 | sp3000 | 0 |
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| 16:58.09 | pupnik | melmoth: it would be theoretically possible to run wine with bochs |
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| 17:15.45 | ekim|irc_ | Can you guys help me get flash9 installed |
| 17:15.53 | ekim|irc_ | I was looking here |
| 17:15.58 | ekim|irc_ | http://browser.maemo.org/news/6 |
| 17:16.13 | ekim|irc_ | but I dont understand where to put it |
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| 17:19.53 | ekim|irc_ | PLEASE :( |
| 17:22.26 | ekim|irc_ | Is it a secret ? |
| 17:26.54 | ekim|irc_ | will someone please tell me ? |
| 17:28.55 | ekim|irc_ | is anyone here ? |
| 17:28.58 | setite | flash9 is not installed? |
| 17:32.31 | truent | anyone know if there is still a gnail notifier maintained for the n800? i cant find anything but past posts about it |
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| 17:32.50 | truent | err gmail |
| 17:33.22 | sbz | ekim|irc_: it seems mozilla-engine support flash 9 http://browser.garage.maemo.org/docs/browser_paper.html#s4 |
| 17:34.27 | kaltsi | truent: I think you can find it in the tableteer.nokia.com site (with the N800) |
| 17:34.57 | truent | k i'll check it out thx |
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| 17:35.20 | kaltsi | np |
| 17:39.42 | ekim|irc_ | I only have the 770 |
| 17:39.49 | ekim|irc_ | also...I can't get openssh to work |
| 17:39.55 | ekim|irc_ | I instaleld both the openssh-server and client packages |
| 17:39.58 | ekim|irc_ | what now ? |
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| 17:39.58 | _Monkey | now is probably 6.00 a.m |
| 17:40.21 | timelE61 | _monkey forget now |
| 17:40.22 | _Monkey | timelE61: I forgot now |
| 17:40.43 | ekim|irc_ | what now ? |
| 17:40.45 | timelE61 | _monkey now is <reply> |
| 17:40.46 | _Monkey | OK, timelE61. |
| 17:40.51 | ekim|irc_ | what now ? ... |
| 17:40.58 | ekim|irc_ | Seriously |
| 17:41.43 | ekim|irc_ | Hmm |
| 17:42.17 | timelE61 | anyone know a finnkino in helsinki still showing hp? |
| 17:42.30 | pupnik | i haven't tried flash on microb |
| 17:43.05 | pupnik | i would like to help ekim|irc_ |
| 17:43.24 | ekim|irc_ | :) |
| 17:43.28 | ekim|irc_ | Do you have an n800 |
| 17:43.30 | ekim|irc_ | or a 770 |
| 17:43.32 | pupnik | 770 |
| 17:43.51 | pupnik | did you reboot after installing openssh-server? |
| 17:43.55 | sbz | kaltsi: the name of the package with apt is mnotify |
| 17:44.00 | pupnik | (i'm not sure that is necessary) |
| 17:44.44 | ekim|irc_ | I dont get it |
| 17:44.50 | ekim|irc_ | I do /etc/init.d/ssh start |
| 17:44.53 | ekim|irc_ | and it starts the server |
| 17:44.57 | ekim|irc_ | I can access it from localhost |
| 17:44.58 | kaltsi | sbz ok good to know |
| 17:45.02 | ekim|irc_ | but not over the network |
| 17:45.12 | ekim|irc_ | whats the deal ? |
| 17:45.22 | ekim|irc_ | also...when I run sshd it gives me an error |
| 17:45.24 | ekim|irc_ | whats up with that |
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| 17:45.51 | pupnik | there is a problem |
| 17:45.52 | ekim|irc_ | "sshd re-exec requires execution with an absolute path" |
| 17:45.54 | ekim|irc_ | what does that mean |
| 17:46.14 | inz | timel, tomorrow tennispalatsi9 12:30, 16:00, 19:30 / kinopalatsi5 13:30, 17:00, 20:00 |
| 17:46.20 | inz | doh, he left already |
| 17:46.36 | pupnik | ekim|irc_: i haven't seen it - have you pasted that error into a google search? |
| 17:46.48 | ekim|irc_ | duoh :( |
| 17:46.49 | ekim|irc_ | of course |
| 17:47.12 | ekim|irc_ | Ohh |
| 17:47.27 | ekim|irc_ | fixed it :) |
| 17:47.34 | ekim|irc_ | I needed an absolute path (duh) |
| 17:47.47 | ekim|irc_ | so instead of typing sshd , I needed to type /usr/sbin/sshd |
| 17:48.42 | ekim|irc_ | but still nothing |
| 17:48.42 | _Monkey | nothing is hsowing up on the protocol list |
| 17:48.48 | ekim|irc_ | I think its bound to 127.0.0.1 |
| 17:49.59 | pupnik | good grief... dropbear is plug-n-play |
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| 17:51.06 | timelE61 | _monkey fl |
| 17:51.07 | _Monkey | timelE61: excuse me? |
| 17:51.24 | timelE61 | _monkey forget nothing |
| 17:51.24 | _Monkey | timelE61: I forgot nothing |
| 17:51.53 | timelE61 | _monkey. Nothing is < |
| 17:52.00 | pupnik | nothing? |
| 17:52.19 | pupnik | btw timelE61 i'd fixed it in PM already |
| 17:52.41 | pupnik | to keep the noise down, lets train the monkey in private message |
| 17:52.55 | ekim|irc_ | pupnik, ... your right |
| 17:52.59 | ekim|irc_ | forget openssh |
| 17:52.59 | _Monkey | ekim|irc_: I forgot openssh |
| 17:53.08 | ekim|irc_ | not you monkey |
| 17:53.09 | ekim|irc_ | remember openssh |
| 17:53.11 | timelE61 | _monkey: nothing is <reply> |
| 17:53.11 | ekim|irc_ | Hmm |
| 17:53.11 | _Monkey | OK, timelE61. |
| 17:53.22 | ekim|irc_ | monkey sucks |
| 17:53.40 | timelE61 | yes |
| 17:54.19 | pupnik | that global forgetting needs to be fixed |
| 17:54.49 | ekim|irc_ | you know how you can add plugins to the status bar |
| 17:54.51 | ekim|irc_ | or whatever you call it |
| 17:54.56 | ekim|irc_ | how many of them are there ? |
| 17:55.09 | timelE61 | infinite? |
| 17:55.19 | timelE61 | you can write your own... |
| 17:55.30 | ekim|irc_ | I mean how many of them are there already made... |
| 17:55.41 | ekim|irc_ | how can I upgrade a package |
| 17:55.46 | ekim|irc_ | with dpkg |
| 17:55.52 | timelE61 | how would anyone know? |
| 17:55.55 | ekim|irc_ | I want to upgrade busybox |
| 17:56.08 | timelE61 | you don't want to |
| 17:56.13 | ekim|irc_ | why not |
| 17:56.20 | ekim|irc_ | there is an upgraded version |
| 17:56.33 | ekim|irc_ | but when I do dpkg -i UpgradedVersionOfBusybox.deb |
| 17:56.36 | ekim|irc_ | it gives me an error |
| 17:56.38 | timelE61 | quoteth yoda: that is the path to the dark side |
| 17:57.19 | ekim|irc_ | Why not ? |
| 17:58.42 | ekim|irc_ | seriously |
| 17:58.44 | ekim|irc_ | Tell me |
| 17:58.57 | whaq | is it possible to run Zaurus apps on N800? |
| 17:58.58 | ekim|irc_ | why does it take like 10 minutes for a response... |
| 17:59.00 | ekim|irc_ | is there bad lag |
| 18:00.13 | whaq | I'm hoping to run Picsel Viewer on the N800.. that'll fit real nice with IT concept. Just a very capable viewer for office files (and bunch of other formats), but not full-blown office suite. |
| 18:00.30 | pupnik | i think evince runs on nokia |
| 18:01.01 | pupnik | ekim|irc_: when i don't know an answer i generally don't bother typing it out |
| 18:01.04 | ekim|irc_ | it does , yeah |
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| 18:01.39 | pupnik | and no, zaurus binaries do not run on nokia tablets |
| 18:01.41 | ekim|irc_ | whaq , zaurus apps probably wont run very well on the n800 because they need to be hildonized |
| 18:01.48 | ekim|irc_ | They wont run at all ? |
| 18:01.53 | ekim|irc_ | its the same archetecture isnt it ? |
| 18:01.57 | ekim|irc_ | architecture |
| 18:02.38 | timelE61 | sp3000: seems i forgot versions for docs |
| 18:03.04 | whaq | picsel is like evince on crack |
| 18:03.19 | ekim|irc_ | drugs are bad |
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| 18:03.51 | whaq | in the good hyperactively workable state.. not the addict phase afterward |
| 18:05.28 | sp3000 | timelE61: who/when is supposed to use versions? I can't resolve x.y to product releases without a decoder ring |
| 18:06.04 | sp3000 | I'm not sure if that's necessarily a problem |
| 18:07.17 | timelE61 | heh |
| 18:07.19 | timelE61 | we can set the roadmap link |
| 18:08.45 | timelE61 | year-2004 = major |
| 18:08.51 | ekim|irc_ | I dont get it |
| 18:08.59 | ekim|irc_ | why do all requests to my 770's ip time out |
| 18:09.05 | timelE61 | Prefix - 1 = minor |
| 18:09.14 | ekim|irc_ | Ohh |
| 18:09.22 | ekim|irc_ | the correct ip *MIGHT* help |
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| 18:10.47 | timelE61 | Sp3000? |
| 18:11.25 | timelE61 | could you copy describecomponents.cgi for nokia 770 / browser? |
| 18:11.35 | timelE61 | ok, bourne is starting |
| 18:12.57 | sp3000 | Web browser (includes Opera and MicroB engines, Bookmarks, UI, and Flash) |
| 18:13.32 | timelE61 | K, i'll grab from log |
| 18:13.43 | qgil | timelE61: hi! well congratulations - this look *so* good now |
| 18:13.55 | qgil | I'm filing my first bug in the new configuration |
| 18:14.17 | timelE61 | is there a component for xserver? |
| 18:14.22 | timelE61 | qgil :) |
| 18:14.30 | ekim|irc_ | has anyone tried to run an alternative window mansger ? |
| 18:14.34 | timelE61 | i'm about to watch bourne |
| 18:14.52 | qgil | timelE61: I believe this default description is *too* thick, it scares people |
| 18:15.05 | timelE61 | bye all |
| 18:17.10 | sbz | yeaaaah i get back my opml from google to n800 without any problem |
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| 18:40.18 | melmoth | anybody has an idea why the application manager would tell a given package is missing although it s present in the repository ? |
| 18:40.22 | melmoth | and even on the tablet ? |
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| 18:45.08 | Blacksitox | brb |
| 18:49.16 | cambba | anyone used catota? |
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| 18:53.07 | cambba | I'm trying to play a mythtv stream, but I'm running into strange error, like I'm missing some python module. Complains about call to "parse_qsl". |
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| 18:54.59 | kulve | melmoth: try checking the AM logs or try with apt-get |
| 18:55.46 | melmoth | i do not have the problem, but 3 people reported it already :( |
| 18:56.07 | melmoth | https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1094&group_id=200&atid=820 |
| 18:56.26 | red-zack | hi all |
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| 18:57.04 | red-zack | i am searching for an ftp client for my 770 os 06. anybody know one? |
| 18:57.06 | Blacksitox | re |
| 18:58.23 | qgil | red-zack: would sftp work as well? |
| 18:58.38 | red-zack | repo? or where to find? |
| 18:58.52 | qgil | red-zack: http://downloads.maemo.org/product/openssh-client |
| 18:59.07 | red-zack | mh, openssh. sure..thanks.. |
| 18:59.31 | erstazi | red-zack: yeah use ssh and not ftp (: much more secure |
| 19:00.01 | qgil | red-zack: also http://downloads.maemo.org/product/tnftp/ - all I'm doing is... using the search at maemo.org :) a tip for you next time |
| 19:00.43 | red-zack | lol. i havent found ftp things at all. my foolniss. |
| 19:00.53 | red-zack | sry |
| 19:01.26 | erstazi | _Monkey: openssh-client is the portable version of OpenSSH, a free implementation of the Secure Shell protocol. This package contains client side utilities: ssh, scp, sftp, ssh-agent, etc... http://downloads.maemo.org/product/openssh-client |
| 19:01.26 | _Monkey | OK, erstazi. |
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| 19:01.48 | erstazi | _Monkey: tell erstazi about openssh-client |
| 19:01.49 | _Monkey | i guess openssh-client is the portable version of OpenSSH, a free implementation of the Secure Shell protocol. This package contains client side utilities: ssh, scp, sftp, ssh-agent, etc... http://downloads.maemo.org/product/openssh-client |
| 19:02.22 | erstazi | that didn't work ugh, its suppose to message me |
| 19:13.33 | zuh | You could privmsg it too I guess |
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| 19:27.44 | keesj | openssh++ |
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| 19:41.54 | Ciapo | hi to all |
| 19:42.41 | Muzero | i have some troubles with jalimo, repository doesn't works! |
| 19:54.05 | TheGame | In the logs there's alot about palms, is that stuff still discussed? |
| 20:00.52 | erstazi | TheGame: Palms as in the devices? or software? |
| 20:01.30 | TheGame | devices, palm treo 650 |
| 20:12.57 | timelE61 | Qgil: you sleeping yet? |
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| 20:47.18 | VRe | Is there some quick way to change default font size smaller? |
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| 21:14.18 | konttori | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/ukmp |
| 21:14.23 | dougb | does anyone recommend a brand of SD cards that will work with n800's? |
| 21:18.01 | sp3000 | konttori: do you have any media with umlauts in titles that end up in cover searches |
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| 21:19.17 | sp3000 | konttori: see I get http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:OKdwD5DiJ7X8_M:http://www.idsociety.org/Images/PA/VRE.jpg rather than http://www.kuolleenmusiikinyhdistys.net/arvostelut/levyt/tenhivare.JPG ;) |
| 21:19.33 | sp3000 | which is amusing |
| 21:20.18 | konttori | in ukmp I presume |
| 21:20.26 | sp3000 | right |
| 21:20.47 | konttori | Well, blame it on my msn images search code. |
| 21:21.30 | konttori | It's kind of here we go and best of luck msn to have one chance of guessing what image user wants to see there. |
| 21:22.20 | sp3000 | I get Vre rather than Väre in the ui as well |
| 21:22.54 | konttori | Yeah, scandic characters are probably omitted at the moment. |
| 21:23.11 | sp3000 | then again istr id3v1 at least is useless for non-ascii data |
| 21:25.14 | sp3000 | ahh wikipedia to the rescue, ID3v1 also lacked support for internationalization. It is stated in the standard that all the strings must be encoded in ISO-8859-1. But in practice, users usually used local encodings |
| 21:25.47 | konttori | yeah. It's a bummer. |
| 21:26.23 | sp3000 | apparently v2 makes the stupid mistake of allowing encoding to be specified rather than settling on utf-8 |
| 21:26.38 | sp3000 | so that's bound to be implemented wrong all over |
| 21:26.53 | konttori | yep |
| 21:27.18 | sp3000 | I've no real guarantee that my files are any flavor of sane either :) |
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| 21:29.37 | Jaffa | Cool: hon widget that allows full screen PyGame applications to use a virtual keyboard for text input. As I'm sure everyone knows, when you're running a full screen SDL application, you lose access to the Maemo virtual keyboard. |
| 21:29.43 | timelyx | sp3000? |
| 21:29.43 | Jaffa | Cool: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=71253#post71253 |
| 21:29.48 | timelyx | or javamaniac |
| 21:29.50 | timelyx | arg |
| 21:29.52 | timelyx | or Jaffa |
| 21:29.55 | Jaffa | yup |
| 21:29.56 | Jaffa | ? |
| 21:30.01 | timelyx | where should speed contacts status bar applet live |
| 21:30.04 | timelyx | and how should it be named? |
| 21:30.09 | timelyx | Desktop or Communication? |
| 21:30.18 | Jaffa | Hmm. This is where tags come in handy ;-) |
| 21:30.20 | timelyx | and is it possible i put it somewhere already? |
| 21:30.24 | konttori | great stuff! |
| 21:30.51 | Jaffa | Instinct is "Communication" is more specific than "Desktop" for that. Name.... I've honestly no idea :-/ |
| 21:31.30 | konttori | nigh! |
| 21:32.30 | sp3000 | neigh |
| 21:33.07 | sp3000 | heh, that's evil |
| 21:33.52 | sp3000 | desktop has battery clock display usb statusbar items |
| 21:34.49 | tso | hmm, ukmp. just installed 1.62. but the app manager says 1.61... |
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| 21:56.24 | erstazi | Jaffa: on services, you have vidconvert, for online video conversion, how much bandwidth did this cause? |
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| 22:00.02 | timelyx | sp3000: how do i get older elements from planet? |
| 22:01.45 | sp3000 | dunno, it might not keep them |
| 22:08.08 | timelyx | darn |
| 22:08.17 | timelyx | looks like my link didn't get prettified the way i expecte |
| 22:08.22 | timelyx | silly me :) |
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| 22:20.15 | erstazi | hi konttori |
| 22:20.21 | konttori | hi |
| 22:20.26 | erstazi | konttori: trying ukmp (: |
| 22:20.32 | konttori | cool. |
| 22:20.37 | erstazi | konttori: appreciate your work (: |
| 22:20.45 | konttori | thanks! |
| 22:20.57 | erstazi | konttori: do you use scratchbox to test your apps? |
| 22:21.08 | konttori | nope |
| 22:21.23 | konttori | only on the device |
| 22:21.23 | erstazi | konttori: you just test them on a nokia for say? |
| 22:21.28 | erstazi | oh wow |
| 22:21.39 | erstazi | you even package for them on the device? |
| 22:22.10 | konttori | nope. I use dpkg -b to do it |
| 22:22.23 | konttori | I do that on osx. |
| 22:22.40 | konttori | Well, it should be as simple to package on the device itself as well using the command |
| 22:22.56 | erstazi | yeah |
| 22:23.03 | erstazi | konttori: how was iceland? |
| 22:23.28 | konttori | great. thanks! Absolutely stunning place. |
| 22:24.06 | erstazi | konttori: I hear this all the time, of course, this makes me jealous, I want to visit Iceland sometime ): |
| 22:24.20 | konttori | blue lagoon - thumbs up. Rykjavik - very nice small town feel city - thumbs up. Riding on icelandic horses - really cool. |
| 22:24.42 | erstazi | icelandic women? |
| 22:24.47 | konttori | It's really expensive in summer time and quite reasonable in the winter time. |
| 22:24.58 | konttori | I have a wife, so I am blind to such things |
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| 22:25.12 | erstazi | konttori: of course, same here (I am married as well) |
| 22:26.39 | konttori | anyway, it's also a nice place to stop for a weekend on the way between USA and europe. It's pretty much in the middle and they usually have pretty nice deals for those stopping by. |
| 22:26.59 | erstazi | konttori: I will have to remember that for my next trip to Europe. |
| 22:27.21 | erstazi | konttori: btw, I love the paste link button, very thoughtful |
| 22:28.05 | konttori | I went straight to blue lagoon from the airport. They have a bus ride that takes you there and after the bath, straight to your hotel. That is something that every visitor should definitely do. |
| 22:28.19 | konttori | ahh.. thanks |
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| 22:40.17 | kupesoft_ | How to reboot my n800 when it's crashed? |
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| 22:44.44 | konttori | take out the battery? |
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| 23:01.31 | Exquisitus666 | hi to all |
| 23:02.09 | Exquisitus666 | i have a problem: i need libgtkpeer.so to run my java app on Maemo ......... |
| 23:02.28 | Exquisitus666 | someone can send me it to me pls? |
| 23:02.42 | Exquisitus666 | thanks a lot for any kind of help |
| 23:04.42 | kupesoft_ | What does the button on the mic do? |
| 23:05.03 | Exquisitus666 | Native library `gtkpeer' not found (as file `libgtkpeer.so') in gnu.classpath.boot.library.path |
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| 23:32.40 | konttori | the button sends a keyboard command |
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| 23:41.19 | fer__ | hi |
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| 23:47.24 | gomiam | hi everyone. |
| 23:48.14 | gomiam | I'm wondering what is the GTalk application package name in Maemo gregale |
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