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| 00:15.11 | amr | when will things be back up |
| 00:19.18 | ekim|irc | :( |
| 00:19.22 | ekim|irc | I wish I knew |
| 00:20.48 | amr | :( |
| 00:27.47 | ekim|irc | :( |
| 00:28.00 | ekim|irc | I really want to boot from the mmc |
| 00:28.02 | ekim|irc | But Im lazy |
| 00:28.07 | ekim|irc | Im going to have to do it eventually |
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| 00:56.32 | DaniloCesar | Good night/evening/morning for ever body... |
| 00:57.17 | amr | nn |
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| 01:00.21 | herzi | garage.m.o down? |
| 01:03.17 | DaniloCesar | herzi, No, it is not.... |
| 01:05.54 | kikka | I don't see it too. |
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| 01:06.40 | herz1 | didn't help |
| 01:06.53 | kikka | <kikka> I don't see it too. |
| 01:07.06 | kikka | herz1: It's not only your problem. |
| 01:07.20 | herz1 | kikka: thanks, makes feel feel less dumb :-) |
| 01:07.34 | kikka | :-P |
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| 01:31.53 | DaniloCesar | herz1, Its not working for me too... Sorry... |
| 01:32.02 | herz1 | hehe |
| 01:32.29 | DaniloCesar | =) |
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| 02:00.26 | pupnik | erstazi: wb |
| 02:00.58 | saaib | website is back again |
| 02:01.05 | herz1 | saaib: thanks |
| 02:01.12 | herz1 | (for the info) |
| 02:01.18 | erstazi | pupnik: thank you, received some brown outs from a powerful storm (: |
| 02:02.27 | pupnik | i spent some time on a park bench tonight and a cute little porcupine walked up, looked at me and then thought maybe it would be safer to run away |
| 02:02.32 | kikka__ | Does 2.0er Software works on 3.0? |
| 02:04.19 | erstazi | pupnik: heh |
| 02:04.35 | erstazi | kikka__: not always |
| 02:04.49 | erstazi | kikka__: its best to aim for OS2007/maemo 3.x bora |
| 02:04.58 | kikka__ | Ok. |
| 02:05.09 | erstazi | if you have an n800 or OS2007 or OS2007HE |
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| 02:05.24 | Luria_ | *chuckle* |
| 02:05.26 | Luria_ | http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/license.jsp?licKey=717072 |
| 02:05.52 | Luria_ | i wonder who else is in there... |
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| 02:16.29 | supdood | hey guys |
| 02:16.35 | supdood | i'm looking for a bluetooth rceiver for my 770 |
| 02:17.17 | herz1 | supdood: it already has a bluetooth receiver builtin |
| 02:18.20 | supdood | err |
| 02:18.20 | supdood | sorry |
| 02:18.25 | supdood | gps bluetooth |
| 02:18.43 | supdood | right now im looking at the i-blue 737 |
| 02:19.27 | GeneralAntilles | I have the 737 |
| 02:19.33 | GeneralAntilles | It's a wonderful receiver |
| 02:19.36 | GeneralAntilles | Great battery life |
| 02:19.38 | GeneralAntilles | usb charging |
| 02:19.41 | GeneralAntilles | GREAT reception |
| 02:19.43 | GeneralAntilles | fast start-up |
| 02:19.54 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe look at the 757 if you want to drop a little more money |
| 02:33.15 | supdood | excellent |
| 02:33.16 | supdood | thanks |
| 02:33.28 | supdood | im trying to find a coupon code for semsons |
| 02:33.33 | supdood | hehhe |
| 02:33.57 | supdood | i've got 59 bucks on this damn visa gift card and i got it rung up for 60.52 |
| 02:36.45 | kikka__ | good night |
| 02:47.47 | saaib | argh! removed scratchbox without umount |
| 02:47.52 | saaib | rebooting |
| 02:53.04 | supdood | ok i've found 3 coupon codes for anyone who cares "seth005" "semsons" and "dealtaker" all which take off 5% |
| 02:53.15 | supdood | trying to find one that does just a bit more comeon gimme a break here |
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| 02:57.43 | herzi | re |
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| 03:22.30 | edt | what do the ssh v4 deb give that v3 does not have? |
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| 03:24.37 | supdood | wooohoo |
| 03:24.40 | supdood | i blue ordered |
| 03:24.41 | supdood | ! |
| 03:25.00 | supdood | welcome to the world of pdagps |
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| 03:51.30 | ekim|irc | Wow...administering the 770 over ssh is much better then using the virtual keyboard : |
| 03:51.34 | ekim|irc | :) |
| 03:52.34 | Luria_ | water is wet too |
| 03:55.15 | ekim|irc | Indeed it is |
| 03:55.21 | ekim|irc | I still cant get canola installed : |
| 03:55.22 | ekim|irc | :( |
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| 03:55.42 | k-s | ekim|irc: any clues? |
| 03:55.45 | ekim|irc | What does this mean |
| 03:55.46 | ekim|irc | ldconfig: Can't open configuration file /etc/ld.so.conf: No such file or directory |
| 03:55.50 | k-s | ekim|irc: what have you tried? |
| 03:55.53 | ekim|irc | Well |
| 03:56.02 | ekim|irc | I did apt-get install canola right now over ssh |
| 03:56.12 | k-s | ekim|irc: and what's the result? |
| 03:56.31 | ekim|irc | it installs a bunch of stuff and when it gets to canola-app ... it takses forever |
| 03:56.40 | ekim|irc | I always stop it aftr a few minutes |
| 03:56.47 | ekim|irc | I mean ... how long should it take ? |
| 03:57.14 | k-s | ekim|irc: it should ask you where to install |
| 03:57.20 | k-s | ekim|irc: it's a graphical dialog |
| 03:57.24 | k-s | and other with the license |
| 03:57.27 | k-s | also graphical |
| 03:57.47 | ekim|irc | wait... |
| 03:57.48 | ekim|irc | :( |
| 03:57.54 | ekim|irc | so your telling me by doing this over ssh |
| 03:58.00 | ekim|irc | that on my device a dialog popped up |
| 03:58.03 | ekim|irc | Ohh... |
| 03:58.05 | ekim|irc | I knew that |
| 03:58.21 | ekim|irc | hehe |
| 03:59.38 | k-s | ehehehe |
| 03:59.53 | ekim|irc | WOOT |
| 03:59.54 | ekim|irc | it works |
| 03:59.56 | ekim|irc | YEAH!!! |
| 03:59.59 | k-s | eeehhe |
| 04:00.07 | ekim|irc | and ssh ... it works |
| 04:00.08 | ekim|irc | YEAH |
| 04:00.10 | k-s | ekim|irc: what were the problem? |
| 04:00.15 | ekim|irc | I dont know |
| 04:00.16 | k-s | problems* |
| 04:00.17 | ekim|irc | Wait |
| 04:00.24 | ekim|irc | the problem was that the maemo repo was down |
| 04:00.28 | ekim|irc | repository.maemo.org |
| 04:00.29 | _Monkey | repository.maemo.org is, like, ok |
| 04:00.37 | ekim|irc | but now its up |
| 04:00.38 | ekim|irc | :) |
| 04:00.40 | ekim|irc | so WOOT |
| 04:00.50 | ekim|irc | is mediastreamre an official nokia app ? |
| 04:01.48 | ekim|irc | Now all I gotta do is boot from the mmc |
| 04:02.15 | k-s | ekim|irc: yep, official |
| 04:02.39 | ekim|irc | do all of you guys boot from the card ? |
| 04:05.11 | ekim|irc | What are some of the apps you guys like ? |
| 04:06.04 | ekim|irc | Anyone ? |
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| 04:22.22 | ekim|irc | Hmm |
| 04:22.24 | ekim|irc | Whats up with this |
| 04:22.44 | ekim|irc | GPG error: http://maemo-hackers.org bora Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 5FD45CD3EA68E29D |
| 04:27.51 | ekim|irc | w00t |
| 04:27.56 | ekim|irc | I got pidgin working now too |
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| 04:52.26 | pupnik | i begin to understand why 99% of #maemo is silent |
| 04:53.52 | `0660 | they have nothing to contribute to the discussion? :) |
| 04:55.26 | pupnik | correct |
| 04:55.42 | whaq | Having too much fun with thi ablets? |
| 04:56.04 | whaq | uh, their tablets. |
| 04:56.17 | pupnik | the discussion is ... not about moving #maemo forward |
| 04:56.23 | pupnik | it's everything but |
| 04:56.25 | whaq | damn onscreen keyboard. |
| 04:57.18 | whaq | just lik on itt. some ppl are just so full of negativity. |
| 05:00.15 | pupnik | perhaps you don't understand why the nokia tablets are so important |
| 05:00.33 | pupnik | you see when you buy a microsoft operating system product as a consumer |
| 05:00.37 | pupnik | you are happy at first |
| 05:00.47 | pupnik | because microsoft seems to be sucking your cock |
| 05:01.00 | pupnik | but while you are distracted by the nice cock sucking that is going on |
| 05:01.10 | pupnik | microsoft is sticking a trojan up your ass |
| 05:01.15 | pupnik | which you don't notice at first |
| 05:01.31 | pupnik | btu then you are remote controlled - through your ass - by microsoft |
| 05:01.39 | pupnik | and then you have to pretend you like it |
| 05:01.43 | pupnik | to keep your pride |
| 05:01.48 | pupnik | this is the state of the world |
| 05:01.53 | pupnik | so thanks to nokia |
| 05:02.01 | pupnik | for freeing us from the ass-trojan |
| 05:03.55 | pupnik | i'm trying to imagine an avertising campaign based on "thanks nokia - for freeing us from the ass-trojan" |
| 05:04.43 | whaq | i'm going to my countryide villa for the eekend taa. |
| 05:04.43 | pupnik | ta |
| 05:04.51 | pupnik | don't forget the microsoft ass trojan |
| 05:05.00 | whaq | thats good campaign |
| 05:05.08 | pupnik | :) |
| 05:05.44 | whaq | yes, tht's ard 2 4get |
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| 08:27.36 | AD-N770 | good morning |
| 08:32.43 | soolek | Hi. |
| 08:33.06 | roope | Ello. |
| 08:35.18 | unique311 | morning |
| 08:35.19 | _Monkey | aloha |
| 08:35.27 | unique311 | feck u monkey |
| 08:37.09 | amr | guten morgen |
| 08:39.09 | amr | how normal is |
| 08:39.10 | amr | /bin/sh: /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure: not found |
| 08:39.36 | amr | when calling apt-get install |
| 08:46.22 | inz | amr, perfectly normal |
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| 08:48.40 | pello | hi, do you know a ftp client for n800 ? |
| 08:49.41 | amr | jolly good |
| 08:50.16 | AD-N770 | kulve: ping |
| 08:50.54 | unique311 | pello, you check the garage? |
| 08:52.05 | pello | maemoftp is not for n800 |
| 08:54.24 | unique311 | usually 770 software works on the 800 |
| 08:55.44 | pello | ok unique311 i'll try to it |
| 08:56.35 | amr | :-/ this is odd |
| 08:57.33 | pello | it works :) |
| 08:57.44 | unique311 | cool |
| 08:57.49 | pello | thx |
| 08:57.57 | unique311 | i was going to say he has the source also. |
| 08:58.02 | unique311 | available. |
| 08:58.12 | amr | i cant seem to connect to my tablet |
| 08:58.15 | amr | over ssh or vnc |
| 08:58.19 | unique311 | compiling it for the n800 would've been easy |
| 08:58.24 | amr | oh wait, now it works - this is odd |
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| 09:19.43 | amr | distribution names confuse me |
| 09:20.06 | amr | when i go to about this product in control panel it says version 3.0 |
| 09:20.08 | amr | thats bora isnt it? |
| 09:20.12 | amr | 3.0somethingsomething |
| 09:20.28 | unique311 | yea |
| 09:20.35 | amr | cool thanks |
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| 09:26.50 | amr | is there anyway to get maemo mapper to follow a route and download all the maps on there |
| 09:27.11 | amr | or is there anyway i can just say, ok download all of this area |
| 09:28.29 | melmoth | i think so for the 1st |
| 09:28.35 | melmoth | i m sure it can do for the second |
| 09:28.45 | melmoth | just go in the map menu and choose download area or something |
| 09:28.46 | amr | how do i do it? |
| 09:28.54 | melmoth | and be sure ot have selected the zooms level you are interested in |
| 09:29.26 | melmoth | you will have to play a bit with the poi and location contextual menu to reach point 1 then. |
| 09:29.37 | amr | ah ok |
| 09:29.49 | amr | cheers, ill give it another go |
| 09:32.32 | amr | oh duh theres an option |
| 09:32.35 | amr | 'download along route' |
| 09:32.38 | amr | with a radius of 4 tiles |
| 09:34.26 | melmoth | i havent tested this one. |
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| 13:04.09 | *** topic/#maemo by ekim|irc -> maemo is the application development platform for the Nokia Internet Tablets | Good questions deserve better answers | irc logs at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/os2007on770/ | http://maemo.org/news/ login and fav! | bugs.maemo.org will be reorganized this weekend| Garage and repository.maemo.org back up! |
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| 13:23.28 | ZenGeist | hi all |
| 13:23.54 | ZenGeist | Where I can find perl-base, which needed for OPenSSH cliebt |
| 13:25.35 | ZenGeist | ? |
| 13:35.43 | sp3000 | ZenGeist: what are you doing and how is it failing? |
| 13:37.14 | ZenGeist | sp3000, I am trying to install OpenSSH Client from Application Manager on my N800 |
| 13:37.26 | ZenGeist | but I can not |
| 13:37.33 | ZenGeist | because perl-base needed |
| 13:41.04 | sp3000 | oh, it depends on it via adduser |
| 13:41.07 | sp3000 | curious |
| 13:41.43 | sp3000 | apt-cache policy perl-base tells me it's available in http://repository.maemo.org bora/free |
| 13:41.51 | ekim|irc | Where are the applications stored by default ? |
| 13:42.35 | sp3000 | which is the seame repo as openssh-client |
| 13:42.38 | sp3000 | so that should work |
| 13:42.58 | ekim|irc | Just do apt-get install ssh |
| 13:43.04 | sp3000 | ZenGeist: maybe update the appmanager catalog foo and try again |
| 13:44.28 | sp3000 | ekim|irc: that's an alternative, sure, but afaiui openssh-client isn't upposed to need redpill mode so it should be preferrable |
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| 13:44.52 | sp3000 | well, red pill or root |
| 13:47.36 | ekim|irc | Huh |
| 13:47.40 | ekim|irc | whats redpill mode ? |
| 13:47.41 | _Monkey | redpill mode is, like, at http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationManagerRedPillMode |
| 13:47.45 | ekim|irc | hypervisor ? |
| 13:47.48 | ekim|irc | or is that blue pill |
| 13:47.52 | sp3000 | omg, it's the bot being /useful/ |
| 13:47.59 | ekim|irc | or does the blue pill cure the red pill |
| 13:48.02 | sp3000 | that's uncharacteristic :P |
| 13:48.03 | ekim|irc | Sounds like the matrix |
| 13:48.17 | sp3000 | yes, blue is the other choice in the dialog ;) |
| 13:48.46 | ekim|irc | But why would I wanna do that |
| 13:49.03 | sp3000 | it lets you break things directly from the app manager |
| 13:49.08 | ekim|irc | break things ? |
| 13:49.27 | sp3000 | like, use apt dangerously ;) |
| 13:50.39 | sp3000 | ZenGeist: did a refresh and retry help? |
| 13:51.14 | ZenGeist | so... |
| 13:51.19 | ZenGeist | I am in redpill |
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| 13:51.44 | sp3000 | ZenGeist: and, do you have repository.m.o bora free in your catalogs |
| 13:52.25 | sp3000 | presumably the mistral one could be different somehow |
| 13:52.40 | ZenGeist | sp3000, no I have not |
| 13:53.50 | sp3000 | using the install arrow from http://maemo.org/downloads/product/openssh-client should work out then I expect |
| 13:54.21 | sp3000 | (it's slightly less typing than manual catalogue config) |
| 13:54.55 | ZenGeist | sp3000, I ve trying that |
| 13:57.54 | sp3000 | do you have some other repository.maemo.org bora entry in the catalogs, that doesn't include free? |
| 13:59.04 | sp3000 | istr vaguely some issue with repository configs ending up with the same repo being listed more than once, with different components, and it not quite panning out, or something |
| 13:59.15 | ZenGeist | i ve no free I ve Maemo Extras and Maemo Hackers |
| 14:01.33 | sp3000 | what the |
| 14:01.58 | sp3000 | oh, extras is one that the openssh-client.install sets up |
| 14:02.55 | ZenGeist | yes |
| 14:03.24 | ZenGeist | ^) |
| 14:03.25 | ZenGeist | :) |
| 14:03.50 | ZenGeist | What repo should I add? |
| 14:04.45 | ZenGeist | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ bora free non-free |
| 14:04.45 | ZenGeist | ? |
| 14:05.07 | sp3000 | oh, yeah, apt-cache policy is being annoying |
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| 14:06.30 | sp3000 | ZenGeist: yeah, that's where perl-base is |
| 14:07.00 | sp3000 | and apt-cache policy output doesn't make any difference between http://repository.maemo.org/ and http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ |
| 14:07.09 | ZenGeist | sp3000, add it by vi or add it by Application Man. ? |
| 14:07.28 | sp3000 | app man would work |
| 14:08.00 | sp3000 | or finding an .install file for something that lives in that repo ;) |
| 14:10.07 | ZenGeist | yes |
| 14:10.22 | ZenGeist | it works :) |
| 14:11.00 | sp3000 | should complain about openssh-client.install not specifying the other repository it depends on |
| 14:11.37 | sp3000 | http://hildon-app-mgr.garage.maemo.org/install.html seems to deal with it at least |
| 14:11.52 | ZenGeist | yeah! :) I am in my notebook over SSH :) |
| 14:12.08 | ZenGeist | is where pptp for maemo> |
| 14:12.08 | ZenGeist | > |
| 14:12.10 | ZenGeist | , |
| 14:12.11 | ZenGeist | ? |
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| 14:31.06 | ZenGeist | can I install some apps on memory card? |
| 14:38.55 | sully | Only if you boot from the card itself, I think |
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| 15:15.49 | zwnj | hi there |
| 15:15.50 | _Monkey | hola, zwnj |
| 15:15.52 | zwnj | is Juha Kallioinen here? |
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| 15:23.03 | ekim|irc | is there any way to access the mqain system memory (where the programs go) without modification ? |
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| 15:28.14 | melmoth | ekim|irc, what ? |
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| 15:32.22 | pupnik_ | yeah it's a read |
| 15:32.28 | pupnik_ | like you read memory but don't write it |
| 15:33.00 | pupnik_ | or re-membering |
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| 15:36.46 | amr | does mail get stored on the flash |
| 15:36.46 | amr | or mmc |
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| 15:50.53 | sparr | if i wanted to implement a better pointer calibration system than pointercal, how deep would i have to go? where would i start? |
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| 15:57.02 | ekim|irc | how can I access where the programs are installed by default without modification |
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| 15:59.53 | melmoth | ekim|irc, i do not understand your question, you may see where a package file are installed with 'dpkg -L nameofthepackage' |
| 16:03.55 | ekim|irc | Ohh |
| 16:03.58 | ekim|irc | Thanks |
| 16:06.43 | ekim|irc | How can I get a list of installed packages |
| 16:07.09 | sbz | dpkg -l |
| 16:10.13 | Jaffa | ekim|irc: If you only care about "end-user" packages, you can use the Application Manager |
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| 16:12.12 | ekim|irc | I dont... |
| 16:12.21 | ekim|irc | because im 1337 like that |
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| 16:14.51 | trevarth1n | morning folks |
| 16:14.56 | bluehash | morning |
| 16:14.57 | _Monkey | aloha |
| 16:15.09 | trevarth1n | arg. wrong name. |
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| 16:15.36 | trevarthan | there we go |
| 16:16.54 | trevarthan | sparr: how's it goin? you do any more work on the volume control? |
| 16:17.37 | sparr | got sidetracked by another tablet |
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| 16:19.51 | trevarthan | ah. got any code for others to play with yet? |
| 16:22.09 | trevarthan | I've been working on getting the scrollwidget to work with lots and lots of items in it. It's going pretty well so far. |
| 16:22.09 | sparr | no, just a pygame interface to draw a rotate wheel, mostly borrowed from elsewhere, nothing original |
| 16:22.32 | trevarthan | Ah. going the wheel approach, eh? very cool. |
| 16:22.46 | sparr | the best way for volume, imho |
| 16:22.51 | sparr | higher resolution than a slider |
| 16:22.58 | Jaffa | and seeking, too, probably. |
| 16:23.10 | sparr | Jaffa: blasphemy! |
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| 16:23.15 | Jaffa | Just use intertial scrolling for navigating lists of items |
| 16:23.27 | Jaffa | sparr: intra-song seeking, rather than inter-song seeking obviously ;-) |
| 16:23.31 | sparr | seriously though, id prefer a slider or wheel for seeking. but SOME peopel think inertial scrolling is gods gift to users :) |
| 16:23.47 | trevarthan | Personally, I would implement the wheel widget alongside the scroll widget. |
| 16:24.10 | trevarthan | sparr: No man, I don't. I just have limited time and the widget was there |
| 16:24.41 | sparr | off topic: http://sparr.homeip.net/tablettest.png |
| 16:24.55 | trevarthan | anyway, we'll have a menu in Kagu soon. I figure we can allow users to switch on/off the wheel widget for just about everything from there. |
| 16:24.59 | sparr | tablet calibration test on my tablet pc |
| 16:25.01 | sp3000 | ahhh my eyes |
| 16:25.04 | sp3000 | :P |
| 16:25.14 | Jaffa | sparr: calibration of what? |
| 16:25.18 | sparr | used a straight edge with the stylus |
| 16:25.28 | Jaffa | ah, cool |
| 16:25.29 | sparr | to see how accurate the touch->pixel mapping is |
| 16:25.40 | Jaffa | Painted in what? Noticing the translucency |
| 16:25.45 | sparr | gimp |
| 16:25.48 | sparr | or krita |
| 16:25.49 | sparr | i forget which |
| 16:26.26 | sparr | that is just a multiply filter on the layer/brush |
| 16:26.37 | trevarthan | did you use X11 forwarding to run that on the tablet? |
| 16:26.49 | sparr | that isnt the 770 |
| 16:26.52 | sparr | its my full-size tablet pc |
| 16:27.02 | trevarthan | ah. what model? |
| 16:27.07 | sparr | motion m1400 |
| 16:27.46 | trevarthan | wow. looks huge. is it a pain to carry around? |
| 16:28.19 | sparr | its 9.5x12x.825", not too huge |
| 16:29.10 | sparr | 235x290x21mm |
| 16:29.20 | trevarthan | I want some MediaTron paper from The Diamond Age. |
| 16:29.45 | sparr | i carry it like a laptop, except its easier to use in midair because i can hold it like a notebook and use the stylus with the other hand |
| 16:29.52 | sparr | when im sitting it goes in my lap |
| 16:30.43 | trevarthan | yeah, looks more versatile than a laptop |
| 16:30.55 | sparr | only pain is typing, of course |
| 16:30.56 | trevarthan | not a whole lot smaller though |
| 16:31.10 | sparr | handwriting recognition in linux isnt so nice, onscreen keyboard is the only real option |
| 16:31.25 | sparr | oddly, i cant find anything for the desktop with recognition as good as hildon, i might steal that :) |
| 16:31.35 | trevarthan | The Diamond Age is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Diamond_Age |
| 16:32.19 | trevarthan | hmmm... isn't the handwriting recognition in maemo proprietary? |
| 16:32.46 | trevarthan | if not, someone should really package it seperately. |
| 16:33.27 | sparr | well, thats a good question... its a compiled hildon plugin |
| 16:33.35 | sparr | theres no reason it wouldnt run on another ARM linux system |
| 16:33.41 | sparr | no ARM on my desktop, unfortunately |
| 16:35.16 | trevarthan | well, I'm off to work on the scroll widget and get that much closer to making sparr happy by finding time to write a new slider widget. |
| 16:35.37 | trevarthan | I'm so giving. :P |
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| 16:42.02 | Jaffa | ...and on Tuesday I get my BT headphones :-) |
| 16:45.01 | trevarthan | sweet |
| 16:45.04 | trevarthan | what model? |
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| 16:53.56 | ekim|irc | How do I install a deb file |
| 16:54.02 | ekim|irc | gpodder doesnt provide a .install file |
| 16:55.01 | Jaffa | trevarthan: I've forgotten! Sony ones. |
| 16:55.47 | Jaffa | http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000KFE29A/202-7905055-7590264 |
| 16:56.37 | trevarthan | ekim|irc: You should be able to download it, then open app manager manually, click the menu hardware button, and install from a file. |
| 16:57.00 | trevarthan | ekim|irc: or, you can get root and SSH and do `dpkg -i ...` |
| 16:57.56 | ekim|irc | Thanks |
| 16:58.00 | trevarthan | Jaffa: those look cool. Probably a good bit more comfy than my s9 phones too. |
| 16:58.00 | ekim|irc | I am already root+ssh |
| 16:58.07 | ekim|irc | also... |
| 16:58.29 | ekim|irc | whats up with this |
| 16:58.29 | ekim|irc | W: GPG error: http://maemo-hackers.org bora Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 5FD45CD3EA68E29D |
| 16:58.58 | trevarthan | ekim|irc: looks like the package builder didn't have a GPG key. no big deal usually. |
| 16:59.15 | trevarthan | it keeps him from making a single click install though. |
| 17:00.25 | ekim|irc | indeed |
| 17:00.29 | ekim|irc | It screws me up |
| 17:00.33 | ekim|irc | How do I fix it... |
| 17:00.35 | ekim|irc | or can I |
| 17:00.52 | trevarthan | are you making the package? |
| 17:01.09 | trevarthan | or just installing it? |
| 17:01.13 | ekim|irc | installing |
| 17:01.17 | ekim|irc | Not much of a coder :0 |
| 17:01.29 | trevarthan | don't worry about it then. it shouldn't keep you from installing with `dpkg -i` |
| 17:01.30 | ekim|irc | I hate c++ |
| 17:01.45 | trevarthan | me too. :) I like python. no memory management to deal with. |
| 17:01.49 | ekim|irc | Yeah...but its more convenient to use the gui installer |
| 17:01.52 | ekim|irc | I love python :) |
| 17:02.20 | trevarthan | ekim|irc: right, so try installing from a file like I suggested. You can still use the app manager that way, it's just more than one click. |
| 17:04.22 | trevarthan | It's App Manager -> Menu Hardware Button -> Applications -> Install from file... on my n800. |
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| 17:29.06 | ekim|irc | Can someone walk me trhough booting from the mmc card |
| 17:32.58 | pupnik | mmc? |
| 17:32.58 | _Monkey | somebody said mmc was smaller than sd |
| 17:33.03 | pupnik | multiboot? |
| 17:33.03 | _Monkey | multiboot is "LILO supreme being - 5th element - protect *you*" http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_Partition_your_MMC_card |
| 17:33.16 | pupnik | hmm there's another guide somewhere |
| 17:38.58 | ekim|irc | Ahh |
| 17:39.02 | ekim|irc | This guide is really confusing |
| 17:39.07 | ekim|irc | is there a video on how to do it |
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| 18:19.52 | trevarthan | I just had the urge to shout "There's a video on how to do your mom!". Seriously. There's something wrong with my brain. |
| 18:20.46 | trevarthan | I'm this guy: http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20070819.html |
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| 18:48.39 | Luria_ | dude's mom is jenna jameson? |
| 18:48.46 | Luria_ | cause that would make sense. |
| 18:49.37 | Luria_ | trevarthan, nice dilbert link |
| 18:54.44 | trevarthan | thank you, thank you |
| 18:54.59 | sully | Damn it. I want to get iodined working on my Blackdog. |
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| 18:59.19 | qgil | hi, any thoughts about http://blog.gustavobarbieri.com.br/2007/08/25/impressed-by-3rd-party-iphone-apps/ ? |
| 18:59.40 | *** topic/#maemo by qgil -> maemo is the application development platform for the Nokia Internet Tablets | Good questions deserve better answers | irc logs at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/os2007on770/ | bugs.maemo.org will be reorganized this weekend| Garage and repository.maemo.org back up! |
| 19:02.28 | erstazi | qgil: reading |
| 19:02.51 | erstazi | qgil: does orphans on the wiki still need massaging? |
| 19:03.31 | qgil | we need to de-orphan all pages, yes - I have just opened the 10 on the top of the list and will deal with them now |
| 19:03.59 | erstazi | qgil: I will attack the orphans now, all I am doing is just relaxing so I can help out more |
| 19:04.36 | qgil | erstazi: great, thanks, you can start by the queue or HowToNFS 06 |
| 19:04.45 | erstazi | ok |
| 19:10.16 | trevarthan | qgil: iphone still isn't open source. I like to use open source stuff. I bought an ipod, and I've replaced it with my n800 to first chance I got (i.e. Kagu). |
| 19:10.52 | trevarthan | I don't think I'm the norm. But that's probably how my brain will always work. I'll take open source over closed source (even when closed source is higher quality) any day. |
| 19:11.15 | erstazi | Well I agree somewhat, trevarthan |
| 19:11.34 | erstazi | I have found many *great* open source applications and platforms |
| 19:12.49 | qgil | trevarthan: it would be good to satisfy developers with your open source preferences... as well as all the rest - be just a great platform based on open source components |
| 19:13.44 | erstazi | but my point is, sometimes proprietary is not bad. but do realize, I am releasing a web application as AGPLv3 when its released |
| 19:14.16 | qgil | erstazi: what I'm doing is open wiki main page or WikiReorg every time I have to add a link to a page and then save immediately to avoid collision with you (or whoever wants to help) ;) |
| 19:15.01 | erstazi | qgil: that works... I noticed the URI has changed |
| 19:15.10 | qgil | erstazi: what about Gustavo's point about a platform (like iphone's) without the typical elements of a platform i.e. sdk, crosscompilation, documentation, etc |
| 19:15.23 | qgil | well, the iphone has some of this but not with an usual approach |
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| 19:15.41 | qgil | erstazi: what URI? |
| 19:15.54 | erstazi | qgil: and I agree, the iphone will only leave a possible developer having to hack the iphone to add an app |
| 19:16.01 | erstazi | qgil: the orphans |
| 19:16.28 | Luria_ | trevarthan, rockbox? |
| 19:17.15 | Jaffa | qgil: I posted an insightful response (IMHO), but it's not showing up |
| 19:18.03 | erstazi | qgil: should I be working from http://test.maemo.org/maemowiki? |
| 19:18.14 | erstazi | or continue working from just the wiki? |
| 19:18.38 | qgil | erstazi: the current wiki, we are not touching anymore test.maemo.org |
| 19:18.52 | erstazi | qgil: ok, just verifying (I know to know know for sure (: ) |
| 19:18.56 | qgil | Jaffa: looking forward to it :) |
| 19:19.39 | Jaffa | qgil: basically it boiled down to three factors as I see it: 1) Apple have, since the iMac and OS X, been viewed (rightly on the whole) as people spending a lot of time and attention to detail on well-designed, must-have, technochic devices. These became consumer devices with the iPod and put Apple on the map. As a result of this, there are more Apple fans and a more integrated marketing strategy (including news coverage). Because of this, I'd wager on at le |
| 19:19.51 | Jaffa | more iPhones having been sold already than any Maemo device. |
| 19:20.01 | erstazi | qgil: I noticed a mediawiki type of linking |
| 19:20.19 | erstazi | qgil: which caused *a lot* of orphaned links, not purposely... so I corrected them... |
| 19:20.24 | Jaffa | 2) The "because it's designed to be unhackable" factor that Gustavo touches on. |
| 19:20.55 | erstazi | qgil: but the linkage would be like: you are on article "foo" and you want to go to foo/bar so you do this [/bar] *but* |
| 19:21.11 | qgil | erstazi: i see |
| 19:21.35 | erstazi | qgil: if midgard CMS doesn't work that way, you have to do a separate article and thats how *all* of the articles are created... so I just removed the / out and removed a lot of orphans |
| 19:21.43 | Jaffa | 3) These two alone aren't enough to get the *polished* apps: the reason they're there is because the built-in ones set the bar so high; everything's well integrated and thought out (I bet every single control and the position of it had a whole lot of meetings to decide on it). No IT OS release *seems* to have had that level of end-to-end UxD. |
| 19:21.49 | erstazi | qgil: I will add that to the wiki how to edit article sometime |
| 19:22.52 | qgil | Jaffa: indeed insightful |
| 19:23.06 | qgil | Jaffa: I agree with the three points |
| 19:23.23 | Jaffa | Gustavo's post is very cool and insightful itself, though. Very good read :-) |
| 19:23.33 | qgil | Jaffa: I also think we will get a lot more apps when Nokia puts the tablets higher in the marketing channels |
| 19:23.36 | ekim|irc | OMG |
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| 19:23.41 | ekim|irc | please help |
| 19:23.53 | keesj_ | I think we must not forget that devices have purposes. everybody like the n800 when I show them . they love the screen/ thumb input method and I can really show them cool / usefull apps. but that's it, they lose atention when they hear there is not grps or gps |
| 19:23.55 | ekim|irc | I was following this guide |
| 19:23.55 | ekim|irc | http://examplified.net/guide/Nokia_770/Booting_from_MMC/ |
| 19:24.02 | ekim|irc | and I got the thr first part of step 12 |
| 19:24.02 | keesj_ | not = no |
| 19:24.07 | qgil | Jaffa: yeah, I wish many people "fave" it at http://maemo.org/news so it stays on the top several days :) |
| 19:24.12 | ekim|irc | I did apt-get isntal ltar |
| 19:24.24 | ekim|irc | then it said it was gonna remove a bunch of stuff |
| 19:24.25 | ekim|irc | so I said ok |
| 19:24.29 | ekim|irc | then it rebooted |
| 19:24.35 | ekim|irc | and now its stuck in an infinite reboot loop |
| 19:24.41 | ekim|irc | it geets half way and reboots |
| 19:24.47 | ekim|irc | HELP! |
| 19:24.53 | ekim|irc | PLEASE HELP ME |
| 19:25.08 | ekim|irc | What do I do |
| 19:25.09 | ekim|irc | :( |
| 19:25.13 | keesj_ | remove the battery? |
| 19:25.30 | keesj_ | then think slowly ! |
| 19:25.30 | ekim|irc | That wont help me get it booted |
| 19:25.37 | ekim|irc | do I need to reflash it |
| 19:25.40 | ekim|irc | What whent wrong ? |
| 19:26.20 | ekim|irc | Please tell me |
| 19:26.25 | keesj_ | I guess you did not use a prefix to install tar ? in the the apt-get install tar and not busybox is gone? |
| 19:26.39 | ekim|irc | Huh |
| 19:26.39 | qgil | keesj_: is gps so high in people's expectations? |
| 19:26.45 | ekim|irc | that english made no sense |
| 19:26.49 | sully | Instead of installing tar from apt-get, you can download it |
| 19:27.02 | ekim|irc | yeah but how do I fix it NOW |
| 19:27.06 | erstazi | qgil: many people prefer GPS |
| 19:27.16 | ekim|irc | tell me please |
| 19:27.18 | sully | Well, first try taking out the MMC card with it turned off |
| 19:27.21 | ekim|irc | I just got this device yesterday |
| 19:27.21 | zuh | ekim|irc: I'm afraid it's trough flashing the rootfs |
| 19:27.30 | ekim|irc | Its what ? |
| 19:27.40 | sully | holy bad English all over. |
| 19:27.45 | sully | Try booting it with the MMC card taken out first, ekim|irc |
| 19:27.49 | ekim|irc | I did |
| 19:27.54 | ekim|irc | it says "Booting from flash" |
| 19:27.54 | erstazi | ekim|irc: ok, you just got the nokia yesterday, lets step back |
| 19:28.05 | ekim|irc | it gets half way and reboots |
| 19:28.15 | sully | okay, then you will need to reflash it completely |
| 19:28.28 | erstazi | ekim|irc: remove the battery, and then insert the battery again |
| 19:28.33 | ekim|irc | Ok |
| 19:28.34 | ekim|irc | done |
| 19:28.35 | erstazi | and power up |
| 19:28.59 | erstazi | if it does it again, its time to flash it with OS2006 or OS2007 depending on the device |
| 19:29.02 | ekim|irc | should it work this time ? |
| 19:29.11 | erstazi | ekim|irc: in reality, nothing ever works heh |
| 19:29.22 | sully | Flash it with 2006 |
| 19:29.27 | ekim|irc | Nop |
| 19:29.28 | sully | What MMC card did you buy? |
| 19:29.32 | ekim|irc | eInfinite reboot cycle |
| 19:29.35 | ekim|irc | kingston 1 gb |
| 19:29.36 | erstazi | ekim|irc: do you have a 770 or n800? |
| 19:29.39 | ekim|irc | 770 |
| 19:29.47 | ekim|irc | I gotta flash it huh |
| 19:29.48 | sully | ok, you can definitely use the kernel speed hack |
| 19:29.50 | sully | yeah |
| 19:30.01 | erstazi | ekim|irc: do you have Linux or Windows or Mac? |
| 19:30.03 | ekim|irc | No big deal I guess... |
| 19:30.03 | keesj_ | qgil: not by default. but it would give an idea of what to do with the device. for me it's not clear what I should to with the device(multi-media seams the most probable right?). |
| 19:30.10 | ekim|irc | Its just a pain to do all those steps over again |
| 19:30.21 | ekim|irc | can you cpmpletely brick a 770 ? |
| 19:30.22 | sully | It's pretty fast the second time around, ekim|irc |
| 19:30.30 | erstazi | ekim|irc: I would hold off from dual booting at this moment |
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| 19:30.36 | ekim|irc | why is that |
| 19:30.46 | erstazi | ekim|irc: do you understand/know linux? |
| 19:30.50 | ekim|irc | Yeah |
| 19:30.53 | erstazi | s/linux/*nix/ |
| 19:30.54 | sully | When you need GNU tar next time, get this file (already compiled): http://degenerates.org/maemo/tar |
| 19:31.07 | erstazi | yeah, get the GNU tar, that might help |
| 19:31.10 | ekim|irc | Ohh |
| 19:31.16 | ekim|irc | is that a binary |
| 19:31.18 | sully | yes |
| 19:31.19 | ekim|irc | I can just run it |
| 19:31.19 | erstazi | ekim|irc: do you have linux at your disposal? |
| 19:31.23 | ekim|irc | no |
| 19:31.26 | sully | you can just run it |
| 19:31.26 | ekim|irc | not at the moment |
| 19:31.30 | erstazi | ekim|irc: windows? mac? |
| 19:31.33 | ekim|irc | windoze |
| 19:31.43 | erstazi | ekim|irc: ok you can go to the nokia website and download the flasher |
| 19:31.48 | qgil | keesj_: yeah, know what you mean |
| 19:31.53 | ekim|irc | I alrweady downloaded it |
| 19:31.54 | ekim|irc | yesterday |
| 19:32.12 | sully | Go ahead and flash the device, you'll be back and up in no time |
| 19:32.13 | erstazi | ok |
| 19:32.15 | r2d2rogers | Good afternoon. |
| 19:32.21 | erstazi | ekim|irc: its actually pretty quick to flash |
| 19:32.27 | erstazi | less than 10 or 20 minutes |
| 19:32.40 | erstazi | just grab a cup of coffee or beer or some Jack Daniels... or all 3 (: |
| 19:32.46 | keesj_ | idem one could say that it lacks software fo the the "real busyness" people. |
| 19:32.55 | r2d2rogers | I've got a 770 with a reboot loop myself, but it's in the MMC install |
| 19:33.07 | r2d2rogers | is there any way to get a boot log to look at? |
| 19:33.07 | erstazi | keesj_: it depends on what kind of software you are talking about for business people, please name some |
| 19:33.15 | ekim|irc | so all you gotta do is remove the card and everything works |
| 19:33.19 | r2d2rogers | yup |
| 19:33.28 | erstazi | ekim|irc: did that happen to you? |
| 19:33.35 | erstazi | ekim|irc: can you remove the card and it works? |
| 19:33.42 | ekim|irc | no |
| 19:33.45 | erstazi | ok |
| 19:33.47 | r2d2rogers | I can even boot the internal flash and mount the MMC install on /opt |
| 19:33.47 | erstazi | flash it |
| 19:33.48 | _Monkey | Firmware and associated utilities are available from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com |
| 19:33.50 | r2d2rogers | and get my files |
| 19:33.52 | ekim|irc | I never got the the part wheere I copy stuff to the card |
| 19:34.12 | r2d2rogers | But I'd rather figure out what is wrong so I can not do it in the future |
| 19:34.16 | ekim|irc | I really wish I could do this entire thing over ssh |
| 19:34.27 | ekim|irc | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:34.41 | erstazi | r2d2rogers: there are a few that are experienced in that, pupnik around? |
| 19:34.43 | r2d2rogers | yeah a bluetooth keyboard would help there too |
| 19:34.49 | erstazi | pupnik dual-boots |
| 19:34.50 | sully | I do the entire thing over SSH actually |
| 19:34.55 | r2d2rogers | he wasn't able to point out much ther other day |
| 19:34.58 | pupnik | i just followed the howto |
| 19:35.00 | erstazi | I prefer ssh |
| 19:35.05 | ekim|irc | I like ssh |
| 19:35.10 | ekim|irc | what do you use ... dropbear or openssh |
| 19:35.15 | ekim|irc | I use dropbear because its so simple |
| 19:35.16 | r2d2rogers | hey pupnik,how ya doing? |
| 19:35.17 | sully | dropbear |
| 19:35.17 | _Monkey | rumour has it dropbear is a relatively small SSH 2 server and client. http://matt.ucc.asn.au/dropbear/dropbear.html |
| 19:35.17 | erstazi | pupnik: we have two that are having infinite loop problems |
| 19:35.22 | keesj_ | erstazi: guess I need to say something like "exchange-push" emails support outlook sync. really the kind of stuff I really dislike |
| 19:35.24 | erstazi | ekim|irc: openssh is my favorite |
| 19:35.27 | pupnik | :( |
| 19:35.36 | r2d2rogers | I killed the watch dog and got rid of the infinite boot, |
| 19:35.50 | erstazi | keesj_: from my side, claws does that |
| 19:35.52 | r2d2rogers | but then it never changes from the boot screen with the full blue bar at the bottom |
| 19:35.58 | ekim|irc | ok |
| 19:36.01 | ekim|irc | so lets go down the list |
| 19:36.06 | r2d2rogers | <G> |
| 19:36.08 | ekim|irc | Whats steps I have to repeat |
| 19:36.18 | ekim|irc | i think the only package I really need to reinstall is xterm right ? |
| 19:36.32 | ekim|irc | then I need to add repository.maemo.org to the sources list |
| 19:36.36 | erstazi | r2d2rogers: can you access /boot? |
| 19:36.39 | ekim|irc | next time I will use this tar |
| 19:36.40 | ekim|irc | http://degenerates.org/maemo/tar |
| 19:36.41 | r2d2rogers | yup |
| 19:36.45 | r2d2rogers | one sec |
| 19:36.50 | r2d2rogers | booting the 770 to flash |
| 19:36.51 | ekim|irc | but |
| 19:36.52 | erstazi | _Monkey: tell ekim|irc about xterm |
| 19:37.00 | ekim|irc | waht about it ? |
| 19:37.06 | erstazi | ekim|irc: thats the best one to grab |
| 19:37.10 | erstazi | and try openssh |
| 19:37.15 | ekim|irc | there is more then one xterm |
| 19:37.18 | erstazi | _Monkey: tell ekim|irc about openssh |
| 19:37.34 | erstazi | ekim|irc: yes, the one I suggested is much more functional |
| 19:38.25 | erstazi | I would follow the how-to through ssh definitely |
| 19:38.36 | r2d2rogers | Hmm I wonder if I could set the MMC install to connect to my wireless automatically? |
| 19:38.39 | r2d2rogers | it's saved in there |
| 19:38.41 | r2d2rogers | ok |
| 19:38.47 | r2d2rogers | for internal flash booted |
| 19:38.53 | r2d2rogers | let me mount the MMC install |
| 19:39.04 | sully | r2d2rogers, what MMC card do you have? |
| 19:39.07 | erstazi | I had a mmc become corrupt yesterday |
| 19:39.12 | r2d2rogers | kingston2gig |
| 19:39.13 | erstazi | I had to format it again |
| 19:39.15 | sully | nice |
| 19:39.24 | erstazi | r2d2rogers: you have a 770 as well? |
| 19:39.41 | r2d2rogers | erstazi, yessir |
| 19:39.42 | erstazi | great deal they have those as! I am glad I picked mine up at $130 and free shipping |
| 19:39.48 | r2d2rogers | I wish |
| 19:39.57 | r2d2rogers | but I can say my work paid for it for me <G> |
| 19:40.09 | erstazi | r2d2rogers: same here actually (: |
| 19:40.19 | r2d2rogers | my boss just bought the N800 |
| 19:40.27 | erstazi | one of the companies I am contracted to "paid" for it |
| 19:40.31 | r2d2rogers | so I'll be playing with Flash 9 on the 770 at some point |
| 19:40.33 | erstazi | an added bonus |
| 19:40.35 | r2d2rogers | Nice |
| 19:40.49 | ekim|irc | has anyone gotten any other window manager to work on this beside windowmaker |
| 19:40.53 | erstazi | r2d2rogers: I would like to see a working gnash for OS2006, I know there is one but I haven't had the time to mess with it |
| 19:41.00 | bluehash | is there a way to access the serial port behind the N800 |
| 19:41.25 | ekim|irc | It would be really cool to see fluxbox on this |
| 19:41.30 | sully | Guys, I'm trying to install iodine from http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/iodine - PowerPC version. I type "apt-get install iodine" and get back "Package iodine has no installation candidate." |
| 19:41.33 | ekim|irc | Hmm |
| 19:41.39 | ekim|irc | why did they say it takes 2- minutes to update ? |
| 19:41.41 | ekim|irc | 20 |
| 19:41.44 | ekim|irc | It took me 3 |
| 19:42.09 | keesj_ | if you want something really cool -> http://www.rasterman.com/ |
| 19:42.14 | r2d2rogers | so you'd be plesantly surprised ?<G> |
| 19:42.17 | ekim|irc | Uhh... |
| 19:42.25 | ekim|irc | The 770 has an arm processor |
| 19:42.30 | ekim|irc | doesn't the 800 too ? |
| 19:42.31 | r2d2rogers | hmm my ssh to the 770 isn't workinf.. |
| 19:42.54 | zuh | bluehash: you'll need to build a cable for it (the wiring is explained in some web page IIRC), but after that it should be like any other serial console |
| 19:43.23 | bluehash | can I communicate with it |
| 19:43.24 | timely | heads up: bugs.maemo.org reorg is starting *now* it will take me about 8 hours (estimate) |
| 19:43.27 | timely | as i'm also going to a party :) |
| 19:43.43 | r2d2rogers | hash mismatch |
| 19:43.43 | r2d2rogers | key_verify failed for server_host_key |
| 19:43.47 | ekim|irc | Thats really weird |
| 19:43.51 | qgil | timely: hey man |
| 19:43.56 | ekim|irc | When I clicked select connection my 770 rebooted |
| 19:43.58 | ekim|irc | whats up with that ? |
| 19:44.00 | r2d2rogers | for OpenSSH how do you recreate the RSA stuff? |
| 19:44.08 | bluehash | zuh : can I communicate with the port |
| 19:44.09 | r2d2rogers | BRB |
| 19:44.23 | qgil | erstazi: cleeaned my 10 orphan pages of the day, there are just 51 missing |
| 19:44.42 | qgil | erstazi: ... alright, I'll go for 10 more and then I 'll go for the stuff I should be really doing :) |
| 19:44.59 | erstazi | qgil: don'tworry I will do your 10 plus 10 more |
| 19:45.16 | erstazi | qgil: I had to stop for a second, kids causing my wife an headache |
| 19:45.17 | qgil | no, I'll do my extra 10 :) |
| 19:45.42 | qgil | erstazi: my kids gave us a headache the whole day but now seem to be deeply sleeping |
| 19:46.32 | r2d2rogers | BTK |
| 19:47.29 | qgil | If someone wants to de-orphan http://maemo.org/community/wiki/orphans/ please start at Known Issues since I'm pickeng the previous in the list |
| 19:47.29 | r2d2rogers | reinstalling SSH |
| 19:47.30 | erstazi | qgil: I wish I was in your time zone ugh |
| 19:47.46 | erstazi | I am starting at the bottom of the list |
| 19:47.50 | erstazi | and working my way on up |
| 19:48.45 | timely | hi qgil |
| 19:48.56 | zuh | bluehash: I guess it should act like a normal serial port once you get it connected... |
| 19:49.54 | erstazi | qgil: is there still a PagesToDelete? |
| 19:50.09 | ekim|irc | Where do I get gainroot from again ? |
| 19:50.10 | ekim|irc | I forget |
| 19:50.20 | erstazi | qgil: nevermind found it |
| 19:50.31 | erstazi | _Monkey: tell ekim|irc about becomeroot |
| 19:50.49 | erstazi | ekim|irc: becomeroot does sudo gainroot |
| 19:50.54 | bluehash | Zuh : how come it doesnt show up in /dev/ttyS0 |
| 19:52.17 | zuh | bluehash: "show up"? |
| 19:53.24 | bluehash | zuh : if there is a serial port on the N800, shouldnt there be a /dev/ttyS0 to access it |
| 19:54.10 | zuh | I have one, but that doesn't really prove it (since the nodes could be hand-created too, without any hw behind it...) |
| 19:54.23 | zuh | This is the developer rootfs though |
| 19:56.17 | erstazi | qgil: do you know the people at midgard by chance? |
| 19:56.22 | bluehash | zuh : do you recoomend Bluetooth serial?/Has anyone tried it yet |
| 19:56.35 | qgil | erstazi: oh yes |
| 19:56.52 | timely | hrm, flash or flash 7 / flash 9 ? |
| 19:56.52 | erstazi | qgil: how is Nokia involved with them? by contract? |
| 19:56.59 | qgil | erstazi: yes |
| 19:57.02 | erstazi | ah |
| 19:57.11 | erstazi | their CMS is not accessible |
| 19:57.17 | qgil | with Nemein in Espoo - Henri Bergius & co |
| 19:57.40 | erstazi | I am a web developer that follows the WAI guidelines very strictly |
| 19:58.13 | erstazi | I will have to contact them about the issues I find. |
| 19:59.03 | qgil | erstazi: you have seen Henri Bergius in the maemo lists |
| 19:59.29 | erstazi | ah, his company did this? |
| 19:59.34 | qgil | erstazi: is a problem this floating bar? |
| 20:00.01 | qgil | erstazi: well, I don't know if they are the original authors but they are heavily involved since ages and they know it all |
| 20:00.28 | erstazi | qgil: partially, also an other non-accessible issue: the URL's are not just /community/wiki/articlename/ but http://maemo.org/community/wiki/articlename/ |
| 20:00.29 | _Monkey | Hmm. No matches for that, erstazi. |
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| 20:01.04 | erstazi | qgil: overall, it seems they have a lot of code to do a simple thing... thats another caveat |
| 20:01.27 | erstazi | gzip compression could be used on css, js, (x)html, etc etc |
| 20:01.44 | erstazi | or deflate because you guys are using apache 2.x |
| 20:02.30 | qgil | erstazi: I can only say that the decision of using Midgard was taken before I joined Nokia - and of course I accepted it |
| 20:02.52 | erstazi | qgil: yeah, thats ok, midgard is not bad |
| 20:02.57 | erstazi | it just needs tweaking |
| 20:03.24 | qgil | erstazi: coincidentally, I had to choose months before several CMSs for www.gnome.org - Midgard was in the final and for several reasons we decided to go for Plone |
| 20:03.25 | erstazi | we can bypass the idea that less code is needed and just compress things and have the server side strip newlines and tabs/spaces out |
| 20:03.47 | qgil | yes, Midgard has some virtues (having core developers 20 minutes from your office is to me one of the strongest) |
| 20:03.48 | erstazi | I don't think midgard itself is lacking |
| 20:04.00 | erstazi | just it could use some tweaking |
| 20:04.15 | qgil | erstazi: any suggestions are welcome |
| 20:04.23 | qgil | also about the site itself |
| 20:04.32 | timely | qgil: one thing |
| 20:04.35 | erstazi | qgil: nothing I do is "revolutionary" but all my ideas for my company is being released as AGPL when the license becomes to public |
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| 20:04.43 | timely | the nokia naming of versions *sucks* from a sorting perspective |
| 20:04.50 | timely | 0.2005, 0.2006, 1.2005, 1.2006 |
| 20:04.56 | timely | got a suggested alternate? |
| 20:05.09 | timely | (versions don't have sort keys) |
| 20:05.10 | qgil | timely: use the maemo correspondents |
| 20:05.15 | timely | the names? |
| 20:05.19 | timely | i don't even know them! |
| 20:05.20 | qgil | no, versions |
| 20:05.27 | erstazi | like OS2006 is Maemo 2.2 |
| 20:05.30 | timely | oh, 1.1 and friends? |
| 20:05.37 | timely | oh ok, that's very doable |
| 20:05.44 | erstazi | or OS2006 is Maemo 3.x |
| 20:05.46 | erstazi | oops |
| 20:05.57 | qgil | timely: but wait, doable but... will users know that? |
| 20:06.05 | erstazi | s/OS2006 is Maemo 3/OS2007 is Maemo 3/ |
| 20:06.07 | timely | no :) |
| 20:06.08 | erstazi | qgil: good point |
| 20:06.21 | timely | qgil: we can make guided help there |
| 20:06.36 | timely | and probably if we want to hack search's ui we could do that too |
| 20:06.47 | erstazi | timely: are you programming something? |
| 20:06.48 | timely | the problem is that if i do 2005-1 will people understand that's 1.2005? |
| 20:06.55 | timely | erstazi: i'm reprogramming the bugzilla db |
| 20:06.58 | erstazi | ah |
| 20:06.59 | qgil | timely: let me think |
| 20:07.00 | timely | generally this is not programming |
| 20:07.06 | timely | qgil: ok |
| 20:07.11 | erstazi | timely: if its SQL, its programming (: |
| 20:07.15 | timely | it isn't |
| 20:07.17 | timely | i'm using a ui |
| 20:07.18 | erstazi | ok |
| 20:07.20 | erstazi | ah |
| 20:07.28 | timely | actually, i'm going to a party while qgil thinks |
| 20:07.39 | erstazi | have fun timely |
| 20:07.58 | timely | but i'm taking an n800 w/ admin credentials and timelE61i will look in from there |
| 20:08.00 | erstazi | I think doing this would work perfectly: OS2006/Maemo 2.2 |
| 20:08.01 | qgil | timely: before IT OS in practice we have IT OS 2006 and Hacker editions (there is people that has filed bugs about it there) - should we really consider IT OS 2006 variants and IT OS 2005? |
| 20:08.51 | timely | well, it hardly matters |
| 20:08.59 | timely | someday there will be something != 2007 |
| 20:09.14 | timely | you need a solution that works for when nokia makes my life painful |
| 20:09.21 | timely | now think while i walk :) |
| 20:09.34 | erstazi | qgil: can you send a comment up for me? |
| 20:09.42 | erstazi | qgil: this is what I want inplace of a t-shirt |
| 20:09.48 | amr | how can i change where maemo mapper saves the maps |
| 20:10.03 | amr | nm |
| 20:10.07 | erstazi | amr: you found it? |
| 20:10.12 | r2d2rogers | look in the menu ? |
| 20:10.15 | amr | yeah under manage repositories |
| 20:10.18 | r2d2rogers | cool |
| 20:10.25 | amr | thanks r2d2 |
| 20:10.26 | qgil | timely: IT OS 2006, IT OS 2006 HE, IT OS 2007 - that's it - you always ask people to upgrade to lst stable when submitting a bug |
| 20:10.28 | amr | im so glad you are here |
| 20:10.37 | qgil | the for the maemo specific components we will use the maemo numbering |
| 20:10.49 | zuh | bluehash: I don't really have experience with such stuff with N800, you'll have to google for it (and it's bed time for me) |
| 20:10.49 | r2d2rogers | figured I could try to help while I fix my problem |
| 20:11.07 | qgil | erstazi: a comment? |
| 20:11.09 | r2d2rogers | sorry I didn't finish typing out out beofre you found it |
| 20:11.33 | erstazi | qgil: yes,... "thank you for maemo" |
| 20:11.59 | erstazi | qgil: really, this is why I bought the Nokia 770 and will be buying the n800 sometime. |
| 20:12.49 | erstazi | qgil: and there is a business model with Open Source, I found out that its true after 10 years... I was afraid of releasing anything as Open Source. |
| 20:13.00 | DaniloCesar | Hi guys.. How can I tunneling my connection over ssh? There is a package or something to do that? |
| 20:13.10 | erstazi | DaniloCesar: commandline |
| 20:13.35 | erstazi | DaniloCesar: just read up on ssh tunneling |
| 20:13.45 | sully | damn it, so close to getting iodined up |
| 20:13.45 | erstazi | I do it all the time |
| 20:13.49 | r2d2rogers | ssh -D <port number> |
| 20:14.06 | r2d2rogers | gets you a sock poxy at locahost:,portnumber> |
| 20:14.14 | DaniloCesar | In my Desktop I use ssh -D 5151 to build the tunnel and tsocks to work with applications. But tsocks doesn't work with N800 |
| 20:15.03 | DaniloCesar | Ok... But I need to do this every time that I want to use (or not) the tunnel? |
| 20:15.26 | erstazi | DaniloCesar: set up a shell script |
| 20:15.34 | qgil | mmmm erstazi, I'm a bit confused :) |
| 20:15.49 | erstazi | qgil: how so? |
| 20:15.57 | qgil | erstazi: I'm sorry but I'll send you the maemo shirt |
| 20:16.42 | erstazi | qgil: I already got my gratification, I found articles that I want to use. |
| 20:16.48 | qgil | erstazi: then... how it comes that you don't have an N800 - you are one the wiser guys in the maemo community |
| 20:17.20 | erstazi | qgil: I bought my 770 about 2 months ago, I prefer to mess with the stablest first (: |
| 20:17.36 | erstazi | not that OS2007 is not stable, just like stabler (: |
| 20:17.44 | r2d2rogers | erstazi: I finally fixed my ssh, and I can get to either /boot folder |
| 20:17.57 | erstazi | qgil: mainly don't want to invest $200 more in something I am going to break (: |
| 20:18.05 | sparr | i got the fingerprint sensor "working" on my new tablet. no apps to use it, but the driver and proof-of-concept apps work |
| 20:18.20 | erstazi | r2d2rogers: congrads |
| 20:18.21 | amr | an n800 is only $200? |
| 20:18.27 | erstazi | amr: no |
| 20:18.28 | sully | where? |
| 20:18.29 | sparr | i wish |
| 20:18.29 | sully | oh |
| 20:18.35 | amr | yeah i was going to say, id have bought 3 |
| 20:18.43 | erstazi | amr: $200 more than a 770, n800 is only $330 |
| 20:18.47 | sparr | id have bought a hundred |
| 20:18.48 | r2d2rogers | erstazi: thanks, I don't find anything in them currently though |
| 20:18.48 | amr | oh thats not bad |
| 20:18.49 | sparr | ebay :) |
| 20:18.59 | erstazi | sparr: not even ebay |
| 20:19.08 | sparr | i would have sold them on ebay if i got them for $200 elsewhere |
| 20:19.10 | erstazi | those nuts on there even bid higher than what buy.com was selling the 770 for! |
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| 20:19.21 | erstazi | I sell on ebay myself *sometimes* |
| 20:19.34 | sparr | if i sell my 770 it will be on ebay, and i will sell it for more than retail |
| 20:19.47 | sparr | pre-loaded with decent software is worth $$ to people too stupid to set things up |
| 20:19.50 | erstazi | sparr: correction... people will be willing to pay more than for retail! |
| 20:20.06 | qgil | sparr: if you seel it with your hacks inside probably the increased price is worth ;) |
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| 20:20.14 | erstazi | sparr: for a brand new 770, I saw people pay $50 more than buy.com |
| 20:20.24 | timelE61i | almost there, ... |
| 20:20.25 | sparr | i believe it |
| 20:20.29 | erstazi | wb timelE61i |
| 20:20.49 | erstazi | I am not promoting buy.com but they gave me a great deal when everyone else was asking $150 for a 770 |
| 20:21.08 | erstazi | and now I got a few companies looking at buying 770's for their employees |
| 20:21.13 | kikka | Does buy.com ship to germany? |
| 20:21.21 | sully | My company bought 4 on my recommendation, actually |
| 20:21.22 | timelE61i | where's klausk boulevardi 5? |
| 20:21.25 | erstazi | kikka: they accept euroe |
| 20:21.30 | erstazi | s/euroe/euro/ |
| 20:21.54 | sp3000 | timelE61i: Did you mean: klaus k bulevardi |
| 20:22.07 | sp3000 | (hey, that's what google gave me :P) |
| 20:22.09 | timelE61i | Probably |
| 20:22.14 | kikka | Mhm, yes. Mhm... Well, i paid in german shop 170€. That's ok. |
| 20:22.20 | qgil | after dealing with 20 wiki orphan pages there are currently only 40 left |
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| 20:22.27 | sparr | buy.com is awesome because they ship free and dont charge tax a lot of places |
| 20:22.31 | timelE61i | i'm at mannerheimenti |
| 20:22.38 | qgil | now I should go and do non-maemo stuff |
| 20:22.43 | erstazi | qgil: I am ok it, my wife was talking to me, and saw the shirt offer, she said size small heh |
| 20:22.56 | sparr | my company bought 2 770s so far. and myself and my boss bought our own. we hope to get a dozen more for the company once we get people using them |
| 20:23.12 | timelE61i | sp3000? |
| 20:23.15 | erstazi | sparr: they are great for mobility in the office |
| 20:23.19 | sp3000 | timelE61i: I see 2-4, dunno what's at 5 |
| 20:23.29 | timelE61i | k |
| 20:23.29 | qgil | erstazi: on Monday I will send you an email asking your snail mail address and sices for men and woman |
| 20:23.36 | erstazi | qgil: thank you |
| 20:23.38 | r2d2rogers | so is there a way to get a boot log out of a 770? |
| 20:23.48 | sparr | r2d2rogers: dmesg? syslog? |
| 20:23.59 | timelE61i | wait, boulevardi changes name at mannerheim doesn't it |
| 20:24.00 | sparr | we have a legacy sco unix server that runs our warehouse management software via telnet... xterm+telnet on the 770 will be a cheap solution for people wandering the warehouse looking for things |
| 20:24.10 | qgil | timelE61i: are you backporting http://twitter.com/ to IRC? |
| 20:24.25 | timelE61i | uh |
| 20:24.27 | r2d2rogers | sparr: can't do dmesg for the rebooting issue, but can get to something after booting back to internal flash |
| 20:24.45 | timelE61i | sp3000 kitos |
| 20:24.48 | r2d2rogers | sparr: I'm dual booting OS2006 and have messed up the MMC install somehow |
| 20:24.51 | sp3000 | np |
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| 20:25.32 | r2d2rogers | sparr: but I can access the MMC file system and even install packegs through a chroot |
| 20:25.51 | sparr | oh, dunno then. good luck. |
| 20:26.04 | r2d2rogers | sparr: thanks |
| 20:29.09 | timelE61i | qgil? |
| 20:29.21 | qgil | timelE61i: yes |
| 20:29.22 | timelE61i | i don't have email here |
| 20:29.39 | timelE61i | did you zap something from connectivity? |
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| 20:29.50 | timelE61i | if so please update wiki |
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| 20:30.30 | qgil | timelE61i: they told me that "phone" wasn't a sensible component and I removed it, that's all |
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| 20:31.45 | timelE61i | k. i forgot to reload and saw it. My faulr |
| 20:32.01 | qgil | timelE61i: I'm assuming you are looking at http://maemo.org/community/wiki/bugsmaemoorgreorg/ |
| 20:32.22 | *** join/#maemo Paolo (n=Paolo@wifi.uni.it) |
| 20:32.34 | Paolo | Hello guys |
| 20:32.46 | Paolo | How are you ? |
| 20:33.27 | Paolo | I have readed the newspaper last day |
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| 20:34.26 | Paolo | And there was written that the cd never could be produced |
| 20:35.06 | Paolo | This is a problem for all the sector of music |
| 20:35.27 | sully | ok |
| 20:35.51 | r2d2rogers | would anyone have suggestions on where I might look into setting my 770 to auto connect to wifi on boot? |
| 20:36.07 | r2d2rogers | maybe the command like with the browser asking for a web page? |
| 20:36.10 | Paolo | Foresta 25 years we have listen the music with the player for music or on the computer |
| 20:36.29 | r2d2rogers | s/like/line/ |
| 20:36.48 | r2d2rogers | hey nice bot |
| 20:37.29 | Paolo | Now the problem is that there are not anymore covers and texts for the songs |
| 20:38.01 | qgil | sp3000: well, you have a point - now that it's a component alone - timelE61i feel free to leave it under Applications if after the party your brain tells you it makes sense |
| 20:38.14 | Paolo | But only the possibility to buy on internet |
| 20:38.44 | timelE61i | k. We'll see |
| 20:39.25 | timelE61i | i'm closing products atm |
| 20:40.03 | timelE61i | btw, i need versions to merge 770 to n800 |
| 20:40.45 | roope | Hello. |
| 20:41.16 | qgil | timelE61i: as I said before - I suggest IT OS 2006, IT OS 2006 HE, IT OS 2007 - that's it - you always ask people to upgrade to last stable when submitting a bug |
| 20:41.20 | Paolo | And people have not adsl, wi-fi... How they could listen the music ? Why to pay a price to itunes or others when i can buy |
| 20:41.32 | qgil | timelE61i: maemo specific products will have the maemo numbering |
| 20:42.05 | Paolo | In to my preferrered shop or on a bookstore ? |
| 20:42.52 | qgil | hi roope |
| 20:43.03 | Paolo | I think that a petition could stop this crazy idea |
| 20:43.30 | Paolo | Bye bye paolo ninuxpdb@gmail.com |
| 20:43.43 | sully | Online petitions always work |
| 20:43.55 | roope | http://www.deezer.com/ is one interesting example of internet music. |
| 20:44.04 | roope | a really wide selection. it's free. just type a song and listen. |
| 20:44.10 | timelE61i | ok |
| 20:45.24 | qgil | timelE61i: for maemo we have 2.2 and 3.x - I don't see the need to put all the rest |
| 20:45.38 | timelE61i | is there a pge that lists them? |
| 20:46.24 | qgil | timelE61i: I have an early draft in my laptop :P |
| 20:46.28 | roope | haven't tried with our browser(s), though. |
| 20:46.41 | timelE61i | is it connected |
| 20:47.02 | qgil | timelE61i: no, is taking a deserved weekend rest |
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| 20:48.35 | qgil | timelE61i: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/maemoreleasesrepositoriesdistros/ in fact, what I have in my laptop is a bit more of a small history of maemo |
| 20:49.17 | qgil | timelE61i: we could include Sardine, yes - not Herring though |
| 20:51.12 | qgil | erstazi: oh, I forgot to tell you something very important before - so confused I was |
| 20:51.21 | erstazi | oh |
| 20:51.25 | qgil | erstazi: "Thank You" |
| 20:51.31 | erstazi | qgil: no problem at all |
| 20:51.38 | erstazi | I enjoy helping if I have time |
| 20:52.47 | qgil | erstazi: I'm taking now all the Maemo* pages |
| 20:53.22 | erstazi | ok |
| 20:53.41 | erstazi | qgil: I don't understand that last statement |
| 20:54.04 | sully | Most awkward pageant answer c/o Miss Teen USA 2007 South Carolina: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww |
| 20:54.11 | qgil | erstazi: I'm going through all the pages starying with "Maemo" at http://maemo.org/community/wiki/orphans/ |
| 20:54.14 | erstazi | ah |
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| 20:54.25 | erstazi | hi user_ |
| 20:54.43 | ekim|irc | Ok |
| 20:54.56 | ekim|irc | Phew |
| 20:54.57 | ekim|irc | Done |
| 20:55.04 | ekim|irc | It worked |
| 20:55.04 | erstazi | ekim|irc: flashed? |
| 20:55.08 | ekim|irc | yup |
| 20:55.09 | ekim|irc | :) |
| 20:55.13 | erstazi | ekim|irc: OS2006? |
| 20:55.13 | _Monkey | it has been said that OS2006 is the second ABI (armel) for the Nokia 770 |
| 20:55.15 | ekim|irc | No |
| 20:55.23 | ekim|irc | I am now booted from the mmc |
| 20:55.24 | erstazi | ekim|irc: oh wait you have an n800 |
| 20:55.27 | erstazi | oh |
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| 20:55.32 | ekim|irc | I did that yes |
| 20:55.35 | erstazi | ekim|irc: is it faster or have you not did a benchmark test yet? |
| 20:55.36 | ekim|irc | but that was quick |
| 20:55.40 | ekim|irc | No |
| 20:55.46 | ekim|irc | it doesnt seem much faster |
| 20:55.57 | ekim|irc | how much faster should it boot |
| 20:55.59 | erstazi | I keep on hearing that but I find it hard to believe |
| 20:56.06 | ekim|irc | it still takes about 20 seconds to boot |
| 20:56.09 | erstazi | its all flash really |
| 20:56.14 | ekim|irc | I know |
| 20:56.17 | erstazi | thats expected, in my opinion |
| 20:56.20 | ekim|irc | I didnt do it for speed |
| 20:56.24 | ekim|irc | I did it for space |
| 20:56.27 | erstazi | ah |
| 20:56.29 | erstazi | I got ya now |
| 20:56.34 | ekim|irc | What are some of your favorite apps |
| 20:56.38 | ekim|irc | Now I gotta start from scratch |
| 20:56.42 | ekim|irc | what do you think I should install |
| 20:56.43 | erstazi | ekim|irc: oh I got a few |
| 20:56.53 | ekim|irc | lets have 'em :0 |
| 20:56.56 | ekim|irc | * :) |
| 20:57.14 | erstazi | qgil: I am going to stop for a second and attack the rest of the ones besides maemo* |
| 20:57.28 | erstazi | ekim|irc: I will have _Monkey do the work for me ok? |
| 20:57.31 | erstazi | fbreader? |
| 20:57.31 | _Monkey | i guess fbreader is a e-book reader originally written for Zaurus platform. Supported formats are: FB2, plain text, html, rtf, chm, plucker. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/fbreader/ |
| 20:57.46 | erstazi | ekim|irc: you have OS2006 correct? |
| 20:58.11 | erstazi | ekim|irc: maybe I should start from the most important and work my way down (: I can give you my sources.list as well |
| 20:58.32 | DaniloCesar | How can I start browser by command line? |
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| 20:58.41 | erstazi | DaniloCesar: mmm the opera browser? |
| 20:58.59 | erstazi | DaniloCesar: try typing/tapping opera |
| 20:59.06 | DaniloCesar | or MicroB.. Is the same commando rigth? |
| 20:59.16 | erstazi | try it |
| 20:59.21 | DaniloCesar | There is no commando opera |
| 20:59.53 | DaniloCesar | there is a "browser" command, but don't work |
| 21:01.02 | erstazi | DaniloCesar: not sure on that |
| 21:01.18 | erstazi | DaniloCesar: I am looking in applications.menu, I think its listed there |
| 21:01.22 | erstazi | but i have to scp it over |
| 21:01.55 | erstazi | and make new lines to the node I want |
| 21:02.09 | erstazi | tana_fi_web |
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| 21:02.12 | erstazi | but that doesn't make sense |
| 21:02.26 | erstazi | try typing browser |
| 21:02.59 | erstazi | nada here |
| 21:03.09 | ekim|irc | can I install MicroB on os2006 ? |
| 21:03.14 | erstazi | ekim|irc: yes |
| 21:03.16 | erstazi | actually |
| 21:03.19 | erstazi | try minimo |
| 21:03.22 | erstazi | minimo? |
| 21:03.23 | _Monkey | i guess minimo is (Mini Mozilla) Web browser, a slimmed down version of mozilla browser aiming resource reduced devices. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/minimo/ |
| 21:03.30 | erstazi | I never tried MicroB |
| 21:03.37 | Blacksitox | re |
| 21:03.43 | ekim|irc | which is better |
| 21:03.47 | erstazi | ekim|irc: do you want my sources.list? http://c-wd.net/maemo/sources.list |
| 21:03.49 | ekim|irc | MicroB or Minimo and whats the difference |
| 21:03.50 | ekim|irc | Yeah |
| 21:03.59 | erstazi | ekim|irc: I never tried MicroB so I cannot give a suggestion |
| 21:04.33 | ekim|irc | Dang |
| 21:04.38 | ekim|irc | How many apps do you have erstazi ? |
| 21:04.39 | ekim|irc | lol |
| 21:05.16 | erstazi | ekim|irc: well, before I flashed, I had a lot, then I had to flash because a bad package I made /: |
| 21:05.35 | erstazi | ekim|irc: do you know how to get that sources.list onto your nokia? I can walk you through |
| 21:05.43 | sp3000 | ekim|irc: http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/6/ |
| 21:05.57 | erstazi | you need (all these terms are in _Monkey) xterm, becomeroot, openssh |
| 21:06.37 | ekim|irc | well...I obviously have xterm and becomeroot because i am bootinf from mmc |
| 21:06.41 | erstazi | I think I have _Monkey setup to respond to openssh's howto install it, it has information on where the install is and the one thing you need to do to get it working, other wise openssh is very easy to install |
| 21:06.43 | ekim|irc | I like dropbear better then openssh |
| 21:06.48 | erstazi | ekim|irc: ok |
| 21:06.52 | ekim|irc | anything else |
| 21:06.59 | ekim|irc | I wonder whats up with MicroB |
| 21:06.59 | erstazi | ekim|irc: do you prefer vi? or do you want nano? |
| 21:07.03 | ekim|irc | anyone used it |
| 21:07.07 | ekim|irc | neither |
| 21:07.07 | ekim|irc | vim |
| 21:07.10 | erstazi | ok |
| 21:07.12 | ekim|irc | I like nano too |
| 21:07.15 | erstazi | nano? |
| 21:07.16 | _Monkey | it has been said that nano is a tiny text editor. Needs xterm/ssh. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/nano/ |
| 21:07.18 | timelE61 | what do you mean up? |
| 21:07.34 | timelE61 | i'm currently rearranging bugs.maemo |
| 21:07.35 | erstazi | timelE61: ekim|irc is wondering if MicroB is better than minimo |
| 21:07.47 | ekim|irc | if I use your sources.list I can get all that sutff |
| 21:07.53 | ekim|irc | yeah...how is it different |
| 21:07.55 | erstazi | ekim|irc: yes |
| 21:07.58 | timelE61 | Minimo has serious text input issues |
| 21:08.05 | erstazi | timelE61: I did notice that |
| 21:08.06 | ekim|irc | Can I run microB on os2006 |
| 21:08.17 | timelE61 | microb will work better w/ platform elements |
| 21:08.21 | sp3000 | ekim|irc: http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/6/ (going twice) |
| 21:08.37 | ekim|irc | sorry |
| 21:09.03 | sp3000 | sold! |
| 21:09.15 | erstazi | sp3000: thank you, I will use that as well |
| 21:09.53 | qgil | erstazi: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/orphans/ looks *very* good now |
| 21:10.02 | erstazi | qgil: yes, you are much faster than I am |
| 21:10.20 | erstazi | qgil: you must have a very large resolution or such, are you greater than 1280x1024? |
| 21:10.45 | erstazi | qgil: I end up reading some of these orphaned articles... some are quite worth keeping |
| 21:10.46 | qgil | erstazi: that's my resolution - but if I'm fast I guess it's because I know better what can be deleted |
| 21:11.20 | qgil | erstazi: I'm not thinking, whatever is worth goes to the main page , ikn case of doubts WikiReorg, the rest... aftermath |
| 21:11.51 | qgil | erstazi: and indeed, there are many more interesting pages than I thought, this cleaning is very almost enlightning to em |
| 21:11.52 | qgil | me |
| 21:12.19 | erstazi | qgil: same here, as I said, I would really like to work on a section on the main wiki page about porting |
| 21:12.32 | erstazi | and maybe have some fellow scratchboxers help out with some information |
| 21:12.55 | qgil | erstazi: I'm going to pick from N800DeveloperDeviceProgram to OS2007 Tested Applications since they look like semiofficial, you pick the rest? |
| 21:13.02 | erstazi | I am not completely knowledgeable about scratchbox like I would like so it would be very expanding for me |
| 21:13.11 | timelE61 | 0.2005.40 = 1.0 ? |
| 21:13.13 | erstazi | qgil: definitely, I can do more if you like |
| 21:13.24 | timelE61 | qgil? |
| 21:13.42 | qgil | timelE61: yes, my dear party animal |
| 21:14.18 | zwnj | i get post-install errors on installing openssh-server. i'm fixing them by hand, but is it a package problem? |
| 21:15.24 | erstazi | zwnj: what are the errors? |
| 21:15.39 | zwnj | erstazi: one was about the 'sshd' user |
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| 21:16.00 | zwnj | and the other one is on sshd_config |
| 21:16.08 | erstazi | zwnj: it might be or you missed a step |
| 21:16.12 | erstazi | openssh? |
| 21:16.13 | _Monkey | openssh is a FREE version of the SSH connectivity tools that technical users of the Internet rely on. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/openssh/ |
| 21:16.48 | erstazi | hmmm |
| 21:16.49 | zwnj | well, i tried to install openssh-server, before removing dropbear-server |
| 21:17.07 | erstazi | zwnj: that might be a conflict then |
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| 21:17.26 | sully | hmm, am I not supposed to use my Garage account to edit the Wiki? |
| 21:17.29 | zwnj | i removed dropbear, but i get errors on --reinstall yet |
| 21:17.40 | zwnj | i'm trying to clean-up things |
| 21:17.50 | zwnj | just wanted to check if others have same problems... |
| 21:18.05 | erstazi | sully: not sure about that one |
| 21:18.25 | timelE61 | 5.2006.13==? |
| 21:18.33 | erstazi | sully: are you attacking the orphans as well? if so please tell me or qgil, I don't want a submit conflict issue |
| 21:18.50 | sully | erstazi, I'd like to but I can't seem to log in and find the edit view |
| 21:19.17 | erstazi | sully: do you have javascript enabled? make sure its https:// and not http:// |
| 21:19.18 | qgil | sully: your garage account should work - when did you created it, now or a wgile ago? |
| 21:19.26 | sully | I just created it ~5 minutes ago |
| 21:19.35 | timelE61 | qgil? |
| 21:19.43 | qgil | sully: then wait - but we will get rid of the orphans before |
| 21:19.46 | sully | okay |
| 21:20.17 | qgil | timelE61: 5.2006.13==? no idea, but sounds = IT OS 2006 and that's it |
| 21:20.50 | qgil | timelE61: are you talking about maemo versions? |
| 21:20.58 | timelE61 | itos2006se had its own listing :/ |
| 21:21.48 | qgil | timelE61: sorry I don't know the ruight answer then |
| 21:22.32 | sp3000 | can you do "OS2006 5.2006.13" or something repetitively silly like that? or does that run into too much truncation |
| 21:23.05 | timelE61 | sp3000: any idea what it is? |
| 21:23.16 | timelE61 | qgil said x.y |
| 21:23.27 | timelE61 | maybe 2.1? |
| 21:23.58 | sp3000 | http://repository.maemo.org/ has one list to match to |
| 21:24.29 | sp3000 | # maemo 1.0 (Nokia 770) # maemo 1.1 (Nokia 770) # maemo 2.0 'mistral' (Nokia 770) # maemo 2.1 'scirocco' (Nokia 770) # maemo 2.2 'gregale' for Nokia 770 development |
| 21:25.31 | qgil | sp3000: I'd say the idea for non-maemo (development= components i.e. apps is to point to IT OS 200* without getting into much details |
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| 21:26.56 | erstazi | qgil: I got 3 left |
| 21:27.07 | erstazi | s/3/2/ |
| 21:27.40 | qgil | erstazi: I think I stepped on one edit sicne I still see 3 :) |
| 21:27.48 | erstazi | yeah |
| 21:27.55 | erstazi | qgil: /me thinks so too |
| 21:28.34 | qgil | https://maemo.org/community/wiki/lithiumionbatteryusage/ is for power users |
| 21:28.35 | erstazi | qgil: surprisingly, thats the only second time that this has happened |
| 21:28.38 | erstazi | ah |
| 21:28.41 | erstazi | ok moving that |
| 21:28.53 | qgil | well, I had to do some re-edits ;) |
| 21:29.04 | erstazi | qgil: my mistakes? heh |
| 21:29.47 | qgil | https://maemo.org/community/wiki/multimediacard/ needs editing, I can do this now - it is for normal users |
| 21:29.57 | erstazi | ok |
| 21:30.14 | qgil | https://maemo.org/community/wiki/mydocs/ for power users |
| 21:30.14 | erstazi | qgil: putting into normal users |
| 21:30.32 | qgil | sp3000: I wish I could remember who are you in real life :) |
| 21:33.56 | erstazi | qgil: its done |
| 21:34.14 | erstazi | qgil: oprhans is cleaned... do you want me to start working on the re organized part? editing some articles? |
| 21:34.56 | erstazi | qgil: btw, I manage a few wiki's myself, two business ones and a few personal/channel ones |
| 21:35.00 | sp3000 | qgil: tuukka tolvanen is my secret identity |
| 21:36.01 | sp3000 | s/secret/superhero/ |
| 21:36.05 | sp3000 | or, uh, something |
| 21:36.05 | _Monkey | rumour has it something is wacky here |
| 21:36.23 | kupesoft | Can I download maps for offline browsing with Maemo mapper? |
| 21:36.31 | sp3000 | yes |
| 21:36.39 | erstazi | kupesoft: its in the menu of MaemoMapper |
| 21:36.51 | kupesoft | erstazi: Can I download like all of North America? |
| 21:37.12 | kupesoft | erstazi: I'll check it out, I left me n800 in the car ;p |
| 21:37.20 | sp3000 | it'll probably fit on a floppy with the rest of the internet :) |
| 21:37.28 | qgil | erstazi: edited the multimedia card table page |
| 21:37.34 | qgil | WE ARE DONE WITH THE ORPHANS!!!! |
| 21:37.36 | qgil | cool |
| 21:37.58 | erstazi | qgil: ok, do you want me to start working on the re organized part? editing some articles? |
| 21:38.40 | qgil | erstazi: so, I'll tell you my plans as maemo guy with this wiki |
| 21:38.51 | erstazi | ok |
| 21:39.46 | qgil | erstazi: 1. http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ Now that we know the useful pages that currently the wiki has - http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ I wanted to organize them in a different way, by topic: multimedia, connectivity, etc |
| 21:40.05 | erstazi | ok |
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| 21:40.19 | erstazi | qgil: do you have a purposed outline structure? |
| 21:40.20 | qgil | we are going to implement these topics across the maemo official documentation as well, to leave behind the organization by content type |
| 21:40.27 | qgil | making the latter work with the tags |
| 21:40.32 | erstazi | ok |
| 21:41.02 | qgil | erstazi: yes, I have, but in the office - I will apply it on Monday since I don't trust my memory on weekends |
| 21:41.08 | qgil | (nor I do the rest of the week, btw) |
| 21:41.13 | erstazi | heh |
| 21:41.24 | erstazi | qgil: ok, well I can start rewriting some articles and creating articles |
| 21:41.31 | qgil | wait |
| 21:41.34 | erstazi | ok |
| 21:41.53 | qgil | 2. http://maemo.org/community/wiki/wikireorg/ needs a narrow look now to see what we really want to save |
| 21:42.01 | erstazi | ok |
| 21:42.08 | qgil | either as official docs under Development/Documentation |
| 21:42.12 | qgil | or updated wiki pages |
| 21:42.25 | qgil | what we do with the pages in non-English |
| 21:42.32 | qgil | and all the rest---> delete |
| 21:42.39 | erstazi | ok |
| 21:43.07 | erstazi | anything else? |
| 21:43.22 | qgil | 3. the http://maemo.org/community/wiki/pagestodelete/ need to be actually deleted, a monkey's work for a monkey with admin rights - I will find a volunteer in-house |
| 21:43.41 | erstazi | ah |
| 21:43.49 | Jaffa | Yay, my proper response has appeared on Gustavo's blog :) |
| 21:43.56 | qgil | and from this point to me the wiki content is done by the maemo-core side, leaving totally the rest of the initiative to the community |
| 21:44.19 | erstazi | qgil: isn't midguard have its content/data in databases? |
| 21:44.26 | qgil | erstazi: then, before you write/improve anything in the wiki seriously |
| 21:44.43 | erstazi | qgil: nix that last statement, I am not with it right now |
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| 21:44.51 | qgil | erstazi: make sure you get a grasp of the good content at http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/ |
| 21:44.54 | qgil | not to repeat work |
| 21:45.06 | erstazi | qgil: good point |
| 21:45.27 | qgil | erstazi: midgard is like a CMS put on top of a database and a control system - why you ask? |
| 21:45.28 | erstazi | qgil: is it acceptable to copy the content and note it came from there? |
| 21:45.40 | qgil | erstazi: don't ask me, ask itt |
| 21:46.13 | qgil | erstazi: if you ask the community wiki editor in me I would tell you that if a page is good, better link to it |
| 21:46.18 | erstazi | qgil: the statement about midguard, just ignore, I wasn't thinking (I develop CMS/DBMS) and my point was if its not linked in the wiki anymore, you could just delete the data |
| 21:46.29 | erstazi | qgil: right |
| 21:46.47 | erstazi | qgil: figured so |
| 21:47.01 | DaniloCesar | Bye! |
| 21:47.05 | qgil | erstazi: I'm going to blog about this - and then sleep |
| 21:47.22 | erstazi | qgil: have a good sleep (: |
| 21:47.59 | qgil | erstazi: I see a lot of enthusiasm between your lines - are you aware of https://maemo.org/news and the capacity to push news to the top - and making them stay there more days |
| 21:48.15 | qgil | this is my next battle now that the wiki (and hopefully bugzilla) are in better shape |
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| 21:48.42 | erstazi | qgil: yes, and news is a good platform for this project |
| 21:48.59 | qgil | ok |
| 21:50.32 | erstazi | ok, I got some more svn commits to attack |
| 21:51.09 | erstazi | qgil: keep me informed with anymore I will attack the rest later probably tonight |
| 21:51.56 | qgil | erstazi: I have no more recommendation for volunteers as for today :) |
| 21:52.56 | erstazi | qgil: then monday night I will be awaiting (: |
| 21:53.34 | qgil | erstazi: really, about the wiki you can push wherever you feel without anybody telling you :) |
| 21:54.09 | erstazi | qgil: I understand, thats part of collaboration |
| 21:54.33 | erstazi | qgil: could I use the test.maemo.org/wiki for testing? |
| 21:54.51 | qgil | erstazi: mmmno, that's dead - what do you want to test? |
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| 21:56.14 | kupesoft | The n800 is so flaky when it comes to powering it on when the A/C is plugged in |
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| 22:00.25 | erstazi | qgil: well, nevermind, I just wanted to test my articles but its cool |
| 22:00.46 | erstazi | kupesoft: you just got to hold down the power button for a few seconds |
| 22:01.10 | qgil | erstazi: test them in the new wiki instead of using the old, no? |
| 22:01.16 | erstazi | qgil: correct |
| 22:01.42 | erstazi | qgil: I mainly have to collect my thoughts, not too many *good* implementations brb |
| 22:08.19 | erstazi | keesj_: take a look at this: http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php/Internet:Outlook_Sync |
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| 22:17.04 | qgil | erstazi: http://desdeamericaconamor.org/blog/node/389 there we go, good night and thanks again |
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| 22:17.53 | erstazi | qgil: no problem, sleep tight |
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| 22:20.44 | ekim|irc | where ddo you guys get your themes from |
| 22:20.54 | ekim|irc | I can only seem to find 4 |
| 22:21.07 | ekim|irc | where do I find ones like this |
| 22:21.07 | ekim|irc | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwR8Jp4_wq8 |
| 22:22.06 | erstazi | ekim|irc: there is an article about getting OS2007HE themes |
| 22:22.33 | erstazi | ekim|irc: http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php/HOWTO:_OS2007_themes_on_OS2006 |
| 22:25.41 | ekim|irc | Can somebody get me this theme ? |
| 22:25.41 | ekim|irc | http://www.ee.nmt.edu/~james.smith/Picture46.jpg |
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| 22:37.14 | erstazi | ekim|irc: thats adria |
| 22:40.41 | erstazi | ekim|irc: thats the default theme for the n800 anyways |
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| 22:46.26 | ekim|irc | but I have a 770 |
| 22:46.31 | ekim|irc | Do you have an n800 ? |
| 22:48.48 | erstazi | ekim|irc: no, that was my next point to be made if you responded |
| 22:49.07 | erstazi | ekim|irc: if someone has OS2007HE or OS2007 you could grab that theme |
| 22:49.11 | erstazi | or just find it online |
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| 22:50.46 | ekim|irc- | You were saying ? |
| 22:51.21 | ekim|irc- | Do you have an n800 |
| 22:51.28 | erstazi | ekim|irc: you could either find it online or someone can give you that theme |
| 22:51.35 | erstazi | brb |
| 22:52.13 | ekim|irc- | Whats it called again |
| 22:59.14 | ekim|irc- | So...yeah |
| 23:05.02 | erstazi | ekim|irc: adria |
| 23:05.46 | jufo | do you have somewhere maemo 3.2 SDK easy-to-use vmware image? |
| 23:15.27 | ekim|irc- | Ohh |
| 23:15.32 | ekim|irc- | Thanks |
| 23:18.07 | ekim|irc- | Nope |
| 23:18.09 | ekim|irc- | Cant find it |
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| 23:27.23 | ekim|irc- | dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 1300 package `telepathy-voip-engine': |
| 23:27.26 | ekim|irc- | Whats up with this |
| 23:27.31 | ekim|irc- | I got this trying to install mplayer |
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| 23:28.21 | ekim|irc- | there are ONE HUNDRE NINETY NINE PEOPLE HERE |
| 23:28.25 | ekim|irc- | cant someone say something |
| 23:28.27 | ekim|irc- | ? |
| 23:28.28 | ekim|irc- | :) |
| 23:31.48 | ekim|irc- | Will somebody please answer my question |
| 23:31.52 | ekim|irc- | I want to play my vids |
| 23:37.43 | zwnj | do i need both of these to make apps for 3.x? scratchbox-toolchain-cs2005q3.2-glibc2.5-i386 & scratchbox-toolchain-cs2005q3.2-glibc-i386 |
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| 23:44.10 | timely | ekim|irc-: brother |
| 23:44.15 | timely | i'm busy moving 1900 bugs |
| 23:52.27 | trevarthan | sitting in mellow mushroom. typin, |
| 23:52.56 | trevarthan | too bad i got nothin to say. |
| 23:55.33 | trevarthan | F |
| 23:55.52 | MCCob | Maemo 2007 HE on 770, it is stable ? |
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