| 00:00.04 | erstazi | oh yeah |
| 00:00.05 | erstazi | I use that as well |
| 00:00.25 | pupnik | has it been ported? |
| 00:00.30 | erstazi | not that I know of |
| 00:00.33 | erstazi | but it could have been |
| 00:00.42 | erstazi | there are people who port that do not join on IRC |
| 00:00.55 | erstazi | and are not on the mailing list or a member of garage on maemo |
| 00:01.13 | erstazi | I know of some bloggers that post about their ports |
| 00:01.48 | erstazi | pupnik: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78 |
| 00:01.54 | erstazi | I am supposing that its a bug, then yes |
| 00:02.45 | erstazi | nevermind |
| 00:03.04 | erstazi | thats using nxclient on a linux pc |
| 00:03.38 | erstazi | Fabian was the one who reported the bug |
| 00:09.03 | pupnik | i am forcing myself to not look into this |
| 00:10.18 | pupnik | see the maemo-developers list in google... some info there |
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| 00:17.13 | zuccone | anyone using bdb on maemo? |
| 00:17.27 | dougb | does anyone know if they carry the n800 at fry's electronic? |
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| 00:23.25 | pupnik | fry's employees |
| 00:24.42 | tchan | alternatively you could just do a search at frys.com where it appears they do not carry the n800 |
| 00:29.14 | pupnik | to be precise the answer to "does anyone know..." is always yes, no or maybe :) |
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| 00:31.24 | dougb | is it possible to connect to a network that requires a static IP address? |
| 00:31.36 | dougb | i want to get all of my questions answered before i go buy one after work haha |
| 00:31.36 | pupnik | yes |
| 00:31.49 | dougb | ok cool, i have to connect to a static IP and DNS server |
| 00:33.01 | dougb | i used to work at fry's and we sold the 770, but i haven't bothered looking since the n800 came out :-/ |
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| 00:35.47 | pupnik | the only advice I can give about buying is to get one from an authorized reseller |
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| 01:07.09 | pupnik | application request: badger-mushroom bootloader |
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| 01:12.33 | wnt5 | What's the best way to use youtube with n800? |
| 01:12.51 | pupnik | uktube i think |
| 01:14.09 | wnt5 | thanks. second, is there any recent progress on video with skype? |
| 01:14.59 | pupnik | i don't know |
| 01:15.26 | wnt5 | maybe it would be possible to use gstreamer to send video to a skype server PC |
| 01:18.38 | pupnik | where does skype come from? who tracks call connections? |
| 01:18.38 | wnt5 | just got the n800 and impressed by the capabilities, but it would be so nice to fix these issues :D |
| 01:19.07 | pupnik | i think uktube is robust - otherwise you can download youtube videos with the python script youtube-dl |
| 01:21.06 | wnt5 | well, what i was thinking of was an interface between google video talk, which the n800 does, and skype |
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| 01:22.31 | Luria | hey all |
| 01:23.26 | pupnik | what's new Luria? |
| 01:23.52 | Luria | nothing, finally took that ham test. |
| 01:24.01 | Luria | now i can play with transceivers |
| 01:24.26 | Darksmurf | Luria whats your call? de kd5uzz |
| 01:24.28 | Luria | and figure out a way to exploit my nokia w/respect to that |
| 01:24.39 | Luria | just have a csce |
| 01:24.46 | Darksmurf | ah |
| 01:24.54 | Luria | i only took it 3 hours ago |
| 01:25.02 | Darksmurf | well..good job! |
| 01:25.08 | Luria | it was silly, i should have gone for more than technician |
| 01:25.21 | Luria | i finished the test in 5 minutes |
| 01:25.33 | Darksmurf | there is a yahoo group: hildonham where they are talking about APRS + n800 |
| 01:25.47 | Luria | i want to find a splitter for the mic jack |
| 01:26.00 | Darksmurf | Luria usually you can take the gen as long as you passed the tech..no extra charge |
| 01:26.05 | Luria | it would be nice to make a cw transcriber |
| 01:26.39 | Luria | i know, but i hadnt opened the material. the physics/ee stuff isnt usually problematic, but i dont know the extra regulatory stuff |
| 01:26.57 | Luria | ill try for gen/extra in one sitting in a month or two |
| 01:27.06 | Darksmurf | Luria well, you got your csce and I got my 770... bonus for both of us :-) |
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| 01:27.34 | Luria | well, since i already had an frn, i expect the registration to be quick |
| 01:27.38 | wnt5 | has anyone had experience with video calling on n800? |
| 01:27.58 | Luria | wnt5, yes. specific question? |
| 01:28.23 | Darksmurf | how can I tell what version of IT2006 I have? |
| 01:28.38 | Luria | i think its in the control panel |
| 01:28.41 | wnt5 | Luria, do regular desktop PC' |
| 01:28.53 | wnt5 | Luria, do regular desktop PC's support the video call software? |
| 01:29.00 | wnt5 | (gtalk or whatever it is) |
| 01:29.13 | Luria | not anymore - there was a beta that was discontinued. |
| 01:30.07 | Luria | Darksmurf, control panel/about product |
| 01:30.17 | wnt5 | okay, is there anything else that would do something like that? |
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| 01:30.23 | Luria | as for 3rd party stuff, i dunno |
| 01:30.51 | wnt5 | i found a project that uses gstreamer to stream video on a quicktime server |
| 01:31.06 | Darksmurf | Luria thanks |
| 01:31.51 | wnt5 | so the challenge would be getting this to talk to a regular video/voip client |
| 01:32.44 | Luria | Darksmurf, what license do you have? |
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| 01:40.35 | Pio | anyone know how to make gnugo not take so damned long to make a move? |
| 01:40.46 | Pio | i can never play a game vs. cpu in cgoban because every move takes like 2 minutes |
| 01:40.47 | Darksmurf | cool, my fresh from the box 770 already has the latest version of OS2006 on it. |
| 01:41.15 | Luria | yeah, they usually do these days |
| 01:41.29 | Pio | we got a new one about a month ago and it was .39 |
| 01:42.38 | Darksmurf | how do I get the thumb keyboard to show up? |
| 01:43.05 | Luria | typically, hit the center of the dpad when the vkb is up |
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| 01:43.23 | Luria | or, use a wider amount of thumb when clicking on a text field |
| 01:43.43 | Luria | are there any "standard" (i.e. orderable from 3rd parties like radio shack or real suplly houses) in/out splitters for the nokia 3.5mm jack? |
| 01:44.19 | Darksmurf | Luria radioshack has them for ~$8 |
| 01:44.42 | Luria | like the 4 ring jack? |
| 01:44.49 | Luria | i mean the whole thing? |
| 01:45.05 | Luria | so there is hope to make an automatic CW program? |
| 01:45.23 | Darksmurf | does the n800 use a 4 conductor connector? |
| 01:45.27 | Darksmurf | or the 770? |
| 01:45.27 | _Monkey | i guess the 770 is running OS 2006. And that you can upgrade to 2007. Is it worth the trouble? |
| 01:45.31 | Luria | yes |
| 01:45.38 | Luria | its an extended mini jack |
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| 01:46.48 | Darksmurf | hmm..I didn't know that. I thought they were both standard 3.5mm. RS sells a 4 conductor to headphone adaptor..I can't remember if the a 4 conductor 3.5 or 2.5. And I doubt all 4 wires are sent to the 3.5 stereo send. |
| 01:47.24 | Luria | finding a replacement hk-48 (iirc thats the model number) is a PITA |
| 01:47.36 | Luria | (err, the headset model number) |
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| 01:47.43 | Luria | dont lose it |
| 01:48.05 | Luria | the flagship nokia store in nyc doesnt even have an sku for it |
| 01:49.04 | Darksmurf | does the thumb kb work inm opera? |
| 01:49.17 | Luria | yes, but it will obscure the page |
| 01:49.49 | Darksmurf | I got it to come up in the control panel Time and Date app. but not in opera |
| 01:50.13 | Luria | that's odd... but i dont have a 770 (yet), only an n800 |
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| 02:21.18 | Luria | anyone tried using something like this on an n800? |
| 02:21.19 | Luria | http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=29686&doy=21m8&C=SO&U=strat15 |
| 02:25.15 | Darksmurf | When I use the flasher to enable usb host mode on the 770 am I going to loose any data/installed apps? |
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| 03:38.06 | Blacksitox | bye |
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| 04:36.03 | dougb | I think my n800 fried my SD card. I can't format it and it only recognizes 256MB of 1GB :\ |
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| 04:42.44 | Artemisprime | Hello |
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| 06:35.55 | mk8 | Hi to all |
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| 06:46.17 | forcev_mobile | could someone confirm if sd cards of 4gb and above have to be sdhc or is it just those over 4gb? |
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| 06:57.46 | Luria | forcev_mobile, 4gbs are available in sdhc and not sdhc. its hit and miss as to whether the non sdhc work; you should check itt. |
| 06:58.14 | Luria | as for anything 8gb and higher, they are all pretty much in sdhc spec |
| 06:58.40 | Luria | still, its best to 1)buy only sdhc marked cards 2)check if there is feedback on itt |
| 07:00.54 | forcev_mobile | Luria, thanks i always forget about itt |
| 07:01.10 | Luria | np |
| 07:01.17 | forcev_mobile | im not the best with forums |
| 07:01.19 | Luria | i was thinking about it a couple of weeks ago |
| 07:01.41 | Luria | nearly all the sdhc 8gbs work, but there were one or two horror stories |
| 07:01.49 | Luria | errr, storys |
| 07:01.57 | Luria | gah |
| 07:02.08 | Luria | its 3am, what do you expect :-) |
| 07:02.11 | forcev_mobile | well i bought an 8gb transcend and it lasted 2 weeks :( |
| 07:03.57 | forcev_mobile | i now have a tiny brick |
| 07:06.39 | Luria | a bricklet |
| 07:06.50 | Luria | sorry, im hunting radios |
| 07:07.09 | Luria | to use with my new license |
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| 07:14.55 | Luria | funny... after all that |
| 07:15.13 | Luria | i think im getting the radio in the pic on the homepage of hildonham |
| 07:17.20 | guardian | morning maemo |
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| 07:32.19 | forcev_mobile | morning guardian |
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| 07:52.58 | maddler | morning all |
| 07:54.44 | forcev_mobile | morning |
| 07:54.44 | _Monkey | aloha |
| 07:55.15 | forcev_mobile | anyone having issues with installing canola? |
| 07:55.37 | forcev_mobile | im getting the following issue http://www.slexy.org/paste/4420 |
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| 07:56.11 | matmo | morning all |
| 07:56.42 | rik | CORRECT. |
| 07:57.32 | matmo | rik: thanks, but I'm not sure why |
| 07:57.56 | matmo | who in the community is sh*t hot on maemo hacking? |
| 07:57.58 | rik | you got the first thing right in here today. since i joined. |
| 07:58.27 | rik | forcev_mobile: ME! ME! I got that yesterday! but more importantly I KNOW HOW TO FIX IT! |
| 07:58.29 | matmo | ah well, wouldn't know since I just joined ;-) |
| 08:00.07 | matmo | I'm looking for someone who I can convince to "fix" the Squeak VM to be usuable on maemo. It runs but there are several issues that need resolving. |
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| 08:01.02 | rik | forcev_mobile: sudo gainroot, then touch /etc/shadow ; chmod 600 /etc/shadow . that'll fix it for you. |
| 08:01.09 | rik | matmo: i don't even know what that is. |
| 08:01.30 | forcev_mobile | rik thanks |
| 08:01.41 | rik | you're welcome |
| 08:01.49 | rik | why we have shadow passwords that aren't on, i don't know. |
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| 08:02.01 | matmo | Squeak is a popular smalltalk (http://www.squeak.org) |
| 08:02.33 | matmo | if you know it... and "get it"... then you want it |
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| 08:03.32 | forcev_mobile | rik: when i try the first part i get 'Enable RD mode if you want to break your device' |
| 08:03.51 | rik | aha |
| 08:04.02 | rik | have you installed the becomeroot package? |
| 08:05.10 | forcev_mobile | next time the pan will be hot |
| 08:05.18 | rik | heh |
| 08:05.19 | rik | okay |
| 08:05.23 | rik | now you also ened to remember |
| 08:05.32 | rik | as soon as the canola install is successful - REBOOT. |
| 08:05.40 | rik | seriously. it took me ages to figure that one out. |
| 08:06.02 | rik | i know it says on the documentation, bt mos tof my tmie was spent trying ot reinstall stuff, because of the complete lack of instructions i ofund. |
| 08:06.02 | forcev_mobile | really? |
| 08:06.05 | rik | yeah. |
| 08:06.08 | AD-N770 | good morning |
| 08:06.11 | rik | acutally. before you get it all installed. |
| 08:06.19 | rik | have you installed gstreamer? |
| 08:06.54 | rik | you need gstreamer installed before canola. |
| 08:07.10 | forcev_mobile | yeah, and most of the plugins |
| 08:07.14 | rik | okay |
| 08:07.21 | rik | then go ahead. |
| 08:07.32 | rik | i wish canola used mplayer isntead. maybe it wouldn't suck then :( |
| 08:08.07 | rik | alas, mplayer does a far better job on my N800. i'm wondering whether to do a ncier frontend for mplayer, which is of course, open source, and therefore i can, or to hope that canola switches to using mplayer. |
| 08:08.15 | rik | i suspect i'll end up using both anyway. |
| 08:08.16 | rik | :) |
| 08:08.46 | forcev_mobile | i cant get ukmp to work either |
| 08:09.12 | matmo | I like Squeak for throwing UI's together |
| 08:09.12 | forcev_mobile | currently using kagu, but it is audio only |
| 08:09.20 | cosmo | reasking: i'm trying to install maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries_3.2 to scratchbox, but apt-get update ignores the local repository for some reason. any ideas? |
| 08:11.40 | timeless | oh right, someone a while ago indicated getting a certificate was expensive |
| 08:11.50 | timeless | StartCom offers free certs |
| 08:13.24 | forcev_mobile | rik: thanks for the help |
| 08:13.33 | forcev_mobile | gotta reboot now |
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| 08:33.25 | keesj | Hi |
| 08:35.01 | timeless | keesj: i don't suppose you were the person who needed a cert but didn't want to buy one? :) |
| 08:36.03 | Luria | hey timeless |
| 08:36.04 | _Monkey | somebody said timeless was a browser developer working for nokia on the maemo browser (microb). also a mozilla contributor |
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| 08:36.34 | Luria | _Monkey, you dolt! |
| 08:36.34 | _Monkey | Luria: excuse me? |
| 08:36.50 | timeless | hey |
| 08:36.54 | timeless | ignore the bot ;-) |
| 08:37.26 | timeless | or maybe "timeless really is" ? |
| 08:37.32 | timeless | _monkey forget timeless |
| 08:37.33 | _Monkey | timeless: I forgot timeless |
| 08:37.39 | Luria | you saw what i was talking about? i couldn't stay up any later last night |
| 08:37.50 | timeless | timeless really is a browser developer working for nokia on the maemo browser (microb). also a mozilla contributor |
| 08:37.58 | keesj | timeless: no , certs are overrated :p |
| 08:38.01 | timeless | _monkey i am <reply> |
| 08:38.01 | _Monkey | OK, timeless. |
| 08:38.07 | timeless | timeless? |
| 08:38.17 | timeless | _monkey: good bot, dumb bot, down bot |
| 08:38.17 | _Monkey | :) |
| 08:38.34 | timeless | luria: lemme head to work and try again. sorry |
| 08:38.44 | timeless | i'll be there in ~25mins |
| 08:38.44 | Luria | oh no |
| 08:38.49 | timeless | oh no? |
| 08:38.54 | keesj | keesj? |
| 08:38.55 | _Monkey | you are not aware of such page in enligh, |
| 08:38.57 | timeless | oh darn, you're in EDT aren't you |
| 08:38.58 | Luria | its 4:40am |
| 08:39.03 | timeless | bah |
| 08:39.26 | timeless | luria: timeless@gmail send me a note w/ steps |
| 08:39.37 | timeless | better send me a docs.google page so you can update the steps an i can comment |
| 08:39.48 | Luria | got my (basic) ham licence today (yay) |
| 08:39.49 | timeless | _monkey forget keesj |
| 08:39.50 | _Monkey | timeless: I forgot keesj |
| 08:39.58 | timeless | _monkey keesj is <reply> |
| 08:39.59 | _Monkey | OK, timeless. |
| 08:40.13 | timeless | _monkey literal luria |
| 08:40.13 | _Monkey | timeless: sorry... |
| 08:40.22 | timeless | _monkey luria is <reply> |
| 08:40.23 | _Monkey | OK, timeless. |
| 08:40.37 | Luria | its really simple, if you have an n800 handy |
| 08:40.45 | timeless | sorry, it's at work :( |
| 08:40.55 | Luria | sigh. |
| 08:40.58 | timeless | i've been sleeping at home instead of taking my n800 w/ me |
| 08:41.06 | timeless | it's bad enough i'm taking my laptop to bed |
| 08:41.20 | keesj | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:41.30 | timeless | right |
| 08:41.52 | timeless | 770s on the desk, but i seem to have misplaced one of my n800s at work |
| 08:41.57 | timeless | so i have fewer n800s to take home atm |
| 08:42.00 | keesj | I have a bt keyboard but I would like a n800 head support so I can type while in bed |
| 08:42.17 | timeless | n800 head eh? |
| 08:42.25 | Luria | also, is there a decompiler for vkbs? |
| 08:42.34 | timeless | not that i know of |
| 08:42.45 | timeless | although arguably the vkb itself is one |
| 08:42.47 | timeless | i suppose |
| 08:42.51 | Luria | the heb vkb doesn't seem to have xml for fkb |
| 08:43.10 | Luria | it switches to russi |
| 08:43.16 | Luria | russian |
| 08:43.19 | keesj | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:43.19 | keesj | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:43.19 | keesj | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:43.19 | keesj | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:43.20 | timeless | does the one sample xml file have a fkb? |
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| 08:43.53 | timeless | i'll kick the people again today, i tried kicking them last week |
| 08:44.02 | timeless | they gave some lame excuses for "why not open source" |
| 08:44.02 | Luria | which sample? the one on the garage tutorial? |
| 08:44.18 | timeless | maemo / garage, i don't keep them straight |
| 08:44.34 | timeless | (their excuses were worse than the ones in my blog entry) |
| 08:44.46 | Luria | i don't want to redo all the vkb work that was done :-( |
| 08:45.27 | Luria | but i only know how to make a vkb, not the other way around |
| 08:46.05 | Luria | but iirc the tutorial has an fkb sample |
| 08:46.22 | matmo | any smalltalk fans here? |
| 08:46.29 | Luria | btw, on fkb myself atm so, im slow. |
| 08:47.21 | jani | does anyone here have experience with gconf ? i have slight probless verifying if the changes made to values are actually getting written .. |
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| 08:50.07 | jani | issue seems to be with caching of read/writes .. if they are written correctly to the cache, they all is good .. |
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| 08:50.38 | Luria | user! i know user! he has an account on my n800! |
| 08:50.44 | jani | =) |
| 08:52.28 | user_ | lol |
| 08:53.43 | rm_you | on my n800 :) i love xchat on this thing |
| 08:53.54 | rm_-rf_you | oneupmanship |
| 08:54.23 | rm_you | lol |
| 08:54.24 | rm_-rf_you | me too. it's why i'm so damn slow typing. |
| 08:55.06 | rm_you | yeah... i have a bluetooth keyboard if i want it though ;P |
| 08:55.42 | rm_-rf_you | same here. but can't really lie in bed and type with it. |
| 08:55.54 | rm_you | yeah that would be hard |
| 08:55.56 | rm_-rf_you | which do you have? |
| 08:56.20 | rm_you | Think-Outside stowaway |
| 08:56.54 | rm_-rf_you | that's the one without the dedicated number row? |
| 08:57.01 | rm_you | yeah :/ |
| 08:57.05 | rm_you | i put up with it |
| 08:57.14 | rm_-rf_you | yeah. got that too. |
| 08:57.37 | rm_-rf_you | i can never remember the name of it. |
| 08:57.47 | rm_you | you play with a2dp much? |
| 08:57.57 | rm_you | i looked on the bottom of it when you asked :P |
| 08:58.02 | rm_-rf_you | the worst thing is the up arrow/? |
| 08:58.14 | rm_you | yes |
| 08:58.15 | rm_you | WTF |
| 08:58.22 | rm_you | theres supposed to be a SLASH there |
| 08:58.24 | rm_you | WTF |
| 08:58.45 | rm_you | screws me up several times a day... sometimes badly, especially when i'm in a terminal :P |
| 08:59.01 | rm_-rf_you | i sometimes repeat something i said in xchat 'cause instead of a ? i get my previous statement |
| 08:59.07 | rm_you | yeah |
| 08:59.17 | rm_you | well, i hit it instead of / |
| 08:59.26 | rm_-rf_you | the pipe is annoying too |
| 08:59.36 | rm_you | cause / is supposed to be on the ? key >_< |
| 08:59.44 | rm_you | yeah :/ |
| 08:59.44 | rm_you | bah |
| 08:59.51 | rm_you | just did it, but caugfht it |
| 09:00.06 | rm_-rf_you | right, but in xchat you look like a dope in front of 200 people |
| 09:00.28 | rm_you | they moved all of my most commonly used symbols to ONE KEY and then put it somewhere that should NEVER have a key... to the right of the shift >_< |
| 09:00.48 | rm_-rf_you | and then it's archived and indexed by google. |
| 09:00.54 | rm_you | lol |
| 09:01.11 | rm_you | i wonder if there's really a better option :/ |
| 09:01.25 | rm_you | I got this with my n800 tho, for cheap, so i cant complain |
| 09:01.32 | rm_-rf_you | how in god's name do you type so quickly on the thumb board ? |
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| 09:01.39 | timeless | heh |
| 09:01.45 | rm_you | i cheated and pulled out the keyboard :P |
| 09:01.46 | rm_-rf_you | how much? |
| 09:02.58 | rm_-rf_you | timeless, we are having a deleting war. lemme know when you want the walk through on that bug. |
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| 09:03.21 | rm_you | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7959 |
| 09:03.54 | rm_-rf_you | those two sentences had nothing to do with each other, but i was too tired to cut and paste. |
| 09:04.14 | timeless | ok |
| 09:04.51 | rm_-rf_you | don't u live at nokia? |
| 09:05.02 | rm_-rf_you | =) |
| 09:05.36 | rm_you | but shipping to Japan ended up being $45, lol |
| 09:06.30 | Luria | thats like 1/3rd of a 770. |
| 09:06.47 | rm_you | lol |
| 09:06.50 | rm_you | it was worth it |
| 09:07.32 | rm_you | i mean cmon... even with shipping, $365 for a mint n800 with bluetooth keyboard and 2x 4gig sd cards and a softcase :P |
| 09:07.51 | rm_you | with original headphones and stylus and case |
| 09:08.03 | Luria | not bad. |
| 09:08.13 | Luria | actually, insane. |
| 09:08.56 | Luria | thats like $250 worth of stuff |
| 09:09.31 | Luria | iphones really are for idiots. |
| 09:13.25 | rm_you | it was a pretty sweet deal :P |
| 09:13.48 | rm_you | especially since a 4g sd card in japan costs like $120 |
| 09:14.24 | gla55_ | oO |
| 09:14.35 | rm_you | it sucks >_< |
| 09:14.44 | mk8 | sorry for my stupid question. I try to install a development environmento from scratch. I start to install scratchbox-base, -lib from the scratbox site. When I try to install sdk for bora 3.2 in the guide it is write that must be install sdk for 3.1 before. Ok, I try to run maemo-scratchbox-install.sh but find that scratchbox is already installed. |
| 09:15.00 | mk8 | Can anyone help me or post a link to an update guide? Thank |
| 09:23.50 | keesj | mk8: what distro are you running? |
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| 09:24.31 | mk8 | i'm using a VMware image so I can start from any distro. Now I'm tring to use ubuntu 'cause before I used and already done ubuntu image |
| 09:24.44 | pna | hi * |
| 09:25.06 | Mikho | scratchbox is one thing and maemo sdk something else. Aren' |
| 09:25.12 | Mikho | t you trying to install the sdk? |
| 09:25.17 | pna | is there any way to launch an application in fullscreen mode, from command line ie. some hildon option or something |
| 09:25.27 | keesj | mk8: I use a modified script https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/tools/install/?root=cosy-home |
| 09:25.45 | pna | in my case I need to launch the browser in fullscreen mode |
| 09:26.27 | keesj | bugger the download of 3.1 is broken/moved |
| 09:27.17 | mk8 | II already install scratchbox but when I start to install 3.2 sdk version the guide tell me to install 3.1 before and I try to use maemo-scrtchbox-install script |
| 09:27.39 | rm_you | is anyone else having issues with "screen" on the n800? it complains about having a PTY and dies |
| 09:27.44 | keesj | the scripts are not very smart :p |
| 09:27.48 | mk8 | keesj: I try to use the script that you are linked here, thank's |
| 09:28.00 | rm_you | also, permissions issues when run as a normal user :( |
| 09:28.10 | jkyro | rm_you: try to increase the amount of ptys |
| 09:28.14 | keesj | rm_you: yes , I had that problem ... |
| 09:28.29 | rm_you | jkyro: ok... how do i do that? |
| 09:28.56 | jkyro | /proc/sys/kernel/pty/max |
| 09:28.56 | jkyro | 4 |
| 09:29.06 | rm_you | ah |
| 09:29.09 | jkyro | sorry, |
| 09:29.20 | jkyro | echo 8 >/proc/sys/kernel/pty/max |
| 09:29.22 | jkyro | as root |
| 09:29.43 | jkyro | or you can substitute 8 with something else as well, the default is 4 |
| 09:30.00 | rm_you | k, thanks |
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| 09:30.17 | rm_you | any drawbacks to setting that to like.... 99? :P |
| 09:30.32 | jkyro | I guess there is memory overhead |
| 09:30.39 | jkyro | don't know how much though |
| 09:31.03 | jkyro | in my desktop it is 4096 |
| 09:31.13 | jkyro | so I guess it's no big issue |
| 09:32.25 | rm_you | heh ok, thanks :P |
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| 09:33.12 | rm_you | worked well :) |
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| 09:40.30 | rm_you | so again, anyone been playing much with the n800 and a2dp? |
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| 09:45.07 | florian | good monring |
| 09:45.51 | mk8 | keesj: can you give me the svn command to extract the installation script, and all the related files? I not know svn |
| 09:47.07 | keesj | mk8 http://paste-it.net/2930/raw/ |
| 09:47.43 | keesj | mk8 but U just saw the tgz files where moved |
| 09:48.57 | timeless | sorry |
| 09:49.00 | timeless | had to find a device |
| 09:49.04 | timeless | i'm here, kinda |
| 09:49.12 | timeless | talk me through it? |
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| 09:55.31 | timeless | sorry, can't get browser working, and someone wants lunch, try again tonight my time, your morning? |
| 09:57.56 | Mikho | I'm not sure if I understood that |
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| 10:16.56 | mk8 | keesj: ... I try to start the script .... it is started so I'm waiting to the finish |
| 10:18.00 | keesj | :) |
| 10:23.53 | guardian | since the last IT2007 upgrade |
| 10:24.04 | guardian | my n800 does not register its hostname into the dhcp/dns |
| 10:24.08 | guardian | anyone aware of this ? |
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| 10:52.03 | amr | is plankton available for the 770? |
| 10:52.06 | amr | or is an n800 only theme |
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| 10:58.26 | pupnik | themes? |
| 10:58.26 | _Monkey | themes is http://downloads.maemo.org/other/ for recent Bora themes, http://thememaker.garage.maemo.org/About%20Theme%20Maker.html for the 'Theme Maker' applet, https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/hildon-theme-tools/README for tools http://icct.blogspot.com/2006/04/maemo-themes-are-here.html |
| 10:59.45 | amr | ive looked. |
| 11:01.04 | amr | i can find the theme |
| 11:01.08 | amr | but the blog says its n800 only |
| 11:01.21 | amr | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6028 |
| 11:17.54 | pupnik | amr adria works fine here except for one small optical inconsistency |
| 11:18.13 | pupnik | http://pupnik.de/xkbd_m_bottom.gif |
| 11:18.21 | pupnik | two white bars on the left hand side |
| 11:18.39 | pupnik | themes-os07-14pt-0.1-1.deb |
| 11:20.42 | amr | oh |
| 11:20.43 | amr | cool thanks |
| 11:22.20 | keesj | pupnik: why no hack on the same keyboard as in http://www.mulliner.org/bluetooth/xkbdbthid.php |
| 11:22.28 | keesj | they have layout files |
| 11:22.30 | amr | hm i installed the theme cacher now my tablet is running slooowww |
| 11:22.37 | amr | wont even start the browser |
| 11:22.46 | amr | nevermind |
| 11:23.20 | pupnik | keesj, both are based off xkbd |
| 11:25.44 | amr | looks like plankton has the same problem |
| 11:25.52 | amr | has a white line under the extras tab on the left |
| 11:25.57 | amr | and one at the very bottom below the >> |
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| 11:40.57 | jonek | hi |
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| 11:41.37 | pupnik | why does ITOS spawn all these processes per application |
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| 11:42.28 | inz | pupnik, all what processes? |
| 11:42.55 | pupnik | i just saw 4 processes for scummvm and i don't think it forks them |
| 11:43.17 | inz | Threads show up the same way processes do |
| 11:43.43 | inz | If you happend to use gnome-vfs, you're bound to have threads |
| 11:43.48 | inz | (I think) |
| 11:43.51 | pupnik | ah ty |
| 11:44.27 | eichi | someone has a pda-holder for his/her bike? (n800 ^^)? |
| 11:46.43 | eichi | pupnik: ;D |
| 11:46.49 | jonek | eichi: I have build one myself |
| 11:47.04 | eichi | jonek: yes, thats the idea I have at the moment ;) |
| 11:47.15 | jonek | eichi: it holds a N800 and a solar GPS recv next to it |
| 11:47.39 | eichi | do you have or can you take a picture ? |
| 11:47.46 | jonek | eichi: it works quite well - let's see if I can get you some pictures |
| 11:48.31 | eichi | jonek: most freeks like me and you blog there constructions quite fast ;) thats why I thout, you have a picture ;) |
| 11:49.09 | jonek | eichi: nope I haven't bloged about it yet |
| 11:50.32 | jonek | eichi: but I'll do this week because from my vacation I have some nice pictures of N800+GPS from mountain hiking in France (3150m peak) ;-) |
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| 11:51.04 | eichi | jonek: sounds nice ;) |
| 11:52.33 | jonek | maybe we could start a competition like: who gets the highest picture from her internet tablet + GPS? |
| 11:53.00 | mk8 | keesj: I try the script but obtain several errors ... :( |
| 11:53.11 | eichi | "damn" old people cycle on the bicycle lane ;D I had to pass the center several times, now its quit hard to map the gps data accurate..damn i have to reride it |
| 11:53.31 | jonek | freaky geadget hiking :-P |
| 11:54.16 | jonek | eichi: do you participate in openstreetmaps.org? |
| 11:54.31 | eichi | yeah, very motivated ;) |
| 11:54.48 | eichi | by bike |
| 11:55.29 | jonek | cool - I think openstreetmapping is a killer app for my internet tablets |
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| 11:56.03 | jonek | I would like to have some sort of map editor app directly on the device |
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| 11:57.12 | eichi | every time I' m leaving the house and I use streets, which arent in OSM, i track them ;) and I cycle around the towns for OSM and beeing sporty only ;D |
| 11:57.23 | jonek | (note: this is one of my motivators for better java support on the tablets!) |
| 11:57.26 | eichi | jonek: yeah, that wound be great |
| 11:57.44 | eichi | jonek: hehe, but josm is quit a good app |
| 11:57.45 | inz | jonek, are planes allowed in the competition? |
| 11:57.58 | jonek | inz: :-D |
| 11:58.05 | eichi | inz: damn cheater ;D |
| 11:58.29 | jonek | ok we need categories ... |
| 11:58.41 | jonek | feet, bike, plane |
| 11:59.06 | inz | eichi, I wouldn't do that, but there are some hobbyists in the community |
| 11:59.31 | jonek | eichi: carolina vor example |
| 12:00.24 | jonek | RC models (helis, gliders) would be cool, too |
| 12:01.45 | eichi | jonek: what is with carolina? |
| 12:02.04 | eichi | sorry, bad english ;D |
| 12:02.33 | jonek | eichi: IIRC she knows who to fly a plane |
| 12:02.37 | jonek | how |
| 12:02.45 | inz | jonek, I think you mean Karoliina, but anyway |
| 12:02.55 | jonek | inz yes |
| 12:03.07 | eichi | i dont know her.. |
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| 12:04.48 | eichi | jonek: you use josm? |
| 12:05.07 | keesj | Karoliina pop-ed up in my linkedin network |
| 12:05.27 | keesj | we have ex-nokia people working here :p |
| 12:06.31 | jonek | eichi: I only tried it - not yet commited tracks |
| 12:07.52 | eichi | ah okay |
| 12:08.05 | jonek | unfortunately I live in Karlsruhe, which is Germany best openstreetmapped city :-) |
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| 12:26.28 | keesj | I have an adapt bt gps modem but that really is not goog enough for openstreet I guess |
| 12:26.42 | eichi | jonek: lol, i live near tübingen ;D jonek then you know hanno, right? |
| 12:26.45 | rik | so what's the preferred pim suie these days? |
| 12:27.13 | eichi | i use a nokia gps mouse, it seems quit well |
| 12:27.14 | rik | is there a calendar app that can sync wih google calendar? |
| 12:28.01 | keesj | theere is a new sexy ajax based calendar designed for maemo |
| 12:28.51 | keesj | well perhaps it's not sexy (see maemo.org front page) |
| 12:29.04 | Tu13es | rik: Erminig will sync your google calendar and gpe calendar |
| 12:30.10 | eichi | rik: http://code.google.com/p/erminig/ |
| 12:30.31 | rik | what's the interface like? plugin for gpe or separate program? |
| 12:30.57 | Tu13es | separate program |
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| 12:32.54 | rik | i see |
| 12:33.59 | rik | it would be nice to have a calendar apps with a sync now button or something. |
| 12:34.03 | eichi | are there 2 nice or one nice linux app (running with maemo) with works together very well? (have linux desktop and n800 maemo) |
| 12:34.16 | rik | i should check out gpe. thanks. |
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| 12:44.43 | pupnik_ | can i run gdb on n770? |
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| 12:45.18 | pupnik_ | ah yes |
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| 12:56.37 | lardman | kulve: How is memory allocation performed in Speex? |
| 12:57.37 | Tu13es | what can I use to stream stuff from my mac to Kagu? |
| 12:58.04 | kulve | lardman: speex supported "manual allocation". I.e. there's a speex_alloc() that is overwrited in dsp port. It's just a char * array with pointers showing what is allocated |
| 12:58.29 | lardman | kulve: So it pre-allocates a large array, and then manually allocates from that? |
| 12:58.48 | lardman | kulve: Where is the large array in memory? Is it allocated normally? |
| 12:59.14 | kulve | it's allocated normally. i.e. char array[SPEEX_SCRATCH_SOMETHING] |
| 12:59.20 | kulve | I don't think it's very large.. |
| 12:59.58 | kulve | the sizes were already defined somewhere and I didn't even check the actual size.. |
| 13:00.06 | lardman | that's okay |
| 13:00.40 | kulve | but now I'm off again |
| 13:00.43 | lardman | Just reading the Sandvall thesis about how he split the decoder across ARM & DSP |
| 13:00.49 | lardman | thanks for the info |
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| 13:01.07 | kulve | url? :) |
| 13:01.52 | lardman | www.mp3-tech.org/programmer/docs/embedded_vorbis_thesis.pdf |
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| 13:16.41 | cosmo | what was the magic to get apt-get working in scratchbox? i've edited resolv.conf and both nsswitch.conf's |
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| 13:18.45 | AD-N770 | cosmo: http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=351 |
| 13:18.56 | AD-N770 | cosmo: was nameserver for me |
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| 13:19.21 | cosmo | thanks, i'll check that out |
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| 13:21.11 | pupnik_ | nsswitch? |
| 13:21.35 | pupnik | monkey used to have that link |
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| 13:25.50 | cosmo | that tutorial didn't have anything helpful.. apt's still not resolving |
| 13:25.54 | cosmo | wget works though |
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| 13:29.47 | cosmo | oh, i might have some other weird issues.. |
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| 13:31.21 | Jaket | Hi |
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| 13:34.03 | Jaket | Im on my 770 now |
| 13:34.13 | Jaket | I love you guys |
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| 13:37.21 | AD-N770 | cosmo: that tutorial helped me to fix it on my system, I'm running feisty |
| 13:37.29 | trevarth1n | sparr: how's the new volume widget coming? |
| 13:38.00 | Jaket | Can you run kde on os2006? |
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| 13:39.50 | cosmo | AD-N770: feisty here. but i might have some other networking problems, so it might not be sbox issue after all |
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| 13:42.52 | kupesoft | Is there any (noticeable) difference between m800 models? I found one for a suspiciously cheap price of $100 CAD less than others, |
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| 13:43.48 | cosmo | kupesoft: not afaik |
| 13:44.03 | kupesoft | I'm'a buy then! |
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| 13:45.02 | pupnik | if it's not an authorized reseller you may have problems with exchange/repairs |
| 13:46.42 | kupesoft | How do I know if it's an authorized reseller? |
| 13:46.45 | kupesoft | It's tigerdirect.ca? |
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| 13:47.36 | pupnik | use the phone. ask about exchange/return policy |
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| 14:29.26 | keesj | _Monkey: do you have a home? |
| 14:29.26 | _Monkey | keesj: i don't know |
| 14:29.48 | keesj | _Monkey: is there a god? |
| 14:33.05 | sparr | trevarth1n: i can draw it :) making it DO things, thats where im having fun |
| 14:34.57 | sparr | i applied for a garage project page a week ago, no response... how long does it usually take? |
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| 14:37.53 | keesj | a few day's |
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| 14:48.10 | sparr | :( |
| 14:49.21 | pbryan | What project are you working on? |
| 14:49.59 | pbryan | Ah, volume widget. |
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| 14:57.27 | Blacksitox | hi :) |
| 14:57.33 | pbryan | Hi. |
| 15:01.26 | pupnik | i'm beginning to think garage is overkill unless more than one person wants to work on a port / project |
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| 15:02.07 | pupnik | i suppose it can serve as advertising and a request for contributors as well |
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| 15:46.35 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 15:47.30 | pupnik | morning Jaffa |
| 15:49.41 | lardman | I keep seeing more tidbits about the IVA |
| 15:50.32 | lardman | http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=1155807521.15232.268585018%40webmail.messagingengine.com&forum_name=dspgateway-devel |
| 15:54.18 | Luria | jaffa, kree! |
| 15:54.53 | Luria | timeless, still around ? |
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| 16:00.51 | pupnik | _Monkey: "error opening terminal" is caused by missing /etc/terminfo data. Fix with apt-get install ncurses-base |
| 16:00.52 | _Monkey | OK, pupnik. |
| 16:06.07 | rm_you | Luria: rofl stargate references :P |
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| 16:07.53 | Luria | +10 for me |
| 16:08.58 | derf | lardman: BTW, the maximum valid Vorbis packet size is 9+nchannels*1189146 bits. |
| 16:09.06 | derf | Or about 145K per channel. |
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| 16:30.36 | trevarth1n | sparr: why do you need a garage page? |
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| 16:33.50 | sparr | trevarth1n: to house my packages |
| 16:34.03 | sparr | right now ive got a local repository, but i cant let [many] other people use it |
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| 16:39.59 | lardman | derf: Thanks |
| 16:41.29 | derf | That's assuming a blocksize of 4096, which I believe the reference encoder only uses in a few of the very low bitrate modes. |
| 16:41.39 | derf | Err, a blocksize of 8192. |
| 16:45.11 | lardman | I think I'll go for the all-on-the-DSP method to begin with, and allocate a large buffer from which to do manual allocation by altering the defines of _ogg_malloc, etc. |
| 16:46.11 | lardman | I'm going for a shared memory scheme with active word sending from DSP-> ARM to request buffer fills and inform of PCM output availability |
| 16:46.28 | lardman | and will use polling on the DSP side while the ARM does the buffer fill |
| 16:47.15 | lardman | pupnik: How would your games like to fill a buffer? By being signalled or by polling? |
| 16:47.32 | lardman | pupnik: the signal is a bit difficult as it's a callback function |
| 16:48.10 | pupnik | most of them use sdl, so i'd need to look into how that works |
| 16:48.47 | lardman | if you had a separate thread the callback could work - basically you block trying to read from the device |
| 16:49.13 | lardman | otherwise polling shared memory is the only way I can think of |
| 16:49.16 | pupnik | reading up on SDL_audio.h now |
| 16:49.30 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:49.30 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:49.46 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:49.46 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:49.46 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:50.25 | lardman | ah well, first things first anyway |
| 16:52.41 | lardman | looks like the callback could work for that then |
| 16:53.51 | lardman | home time, bye chaps |
| 16:54.00 | pupnik | cheers! |
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| 17:06.59 | pupnik | tcl? |
| 17:07.47 | pupnik | _Monkey is tcl/tk for N770 (and if you dpkg -i N800) can be found at http://pupnik.de/tcl8.4_8.4.12-1.1_armel.deb and http://pupnik.de/tk8.4_8.4.12-1_armel.deb |
| 17:07.56 | pupnik | _Monkey tcl is tcl/tk for N770 (and if you dpkg -i N800) can be found at http://pupnik.de/tcl8.4_8.4.12-1.1_armel.deb and http://pupnik.de/tk8.4_8.4.12-1_armel.deb |
| 17:07.56 | _Monkey | OK, pupnik. |
| 17:08.02 | pupnik | _Monkey tk is tcl/tk for N770 (and if you dpkg -i N800) can be found at http://pupnik.de/tcl8.4_8.4.12-1.1_armel.deb and http://pupnik.de/tk8.4_8.4.12-1_armel.deb |
| 17:08.03 | _Monkey | OK, pupnik. |
| 17:09.08 | Luria | i wish there were a huge file map of maemo. |
| 17:10.02 | pupnik | someone made a search engine for maemo repos but i forgot the URL |
| 17:10.07 | Luria | i'd love to especially know how the fonts are used, 'cause the info i've found until now has been wrong. |
| 17:10.33 | Luria | no, i mean a file map of a stock system |
| 17:11.42 | Luria | especially 'cause i'd like to make an oss font set that doesn't suck. |
| 17:12.35 | pupnik | you are an expert at low-res hinting? |
| 17:13.32 | pupnik | or you mean compile existing fonts into a set? |
| 17:13.34 | Luria | nope. but just setting up the project might invite someone who is. |
| 17:13.54 | Luria | start with compilation and evolve. |
| 17:15.15 | pupnik | looking at the font in the window title, i can see some small hinting errors, so i think they could be tweaked |
| 17:15.38 | pupnik | for e.g. space between U and n in "X Terminal - U ntitled" is a bit too large |
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| 17:16.40 | Luria | oops |
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| 17:49.51 | timeless | anyone here know how often planet.maemo updates? |
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| 17:54.23 | DaniloCesar | Can I use a Palm's keyboard with my N800? Will it works? |
| 17:54.49 | pbryan | Does the Palm keyboard support Bluetooth? |
| 17:55.40 | DaniloCesar | I don't have the keyboard yet. |
| 17:55.51 | pbryan | If it is a BT keyboard, it will probably work. |
| 17:56.03 | pbryan | If it is not a BT keyboard, it will probably not work. |
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| 17:56.49 | DaniloCesar | its because I could not find a Nokia's Kb... so I need alternatives.. |
| 17:57.08 | pbryan | There are plenty of BT keyboards out there that will work with N800. |
| 17:57.16 | pbryan | Go to eBay and search for "bluetooth keyboard". |
| 17:58.13 | pupnik | What is the main issue with compatibility? A HID profile? |
| 17:58.25 | pbryan | Yup. |
| 17:58.41 | pupnik | I bought a thinkoutside stowaway because it folds and was compatible. |
| 17:58.49 | pbryan | I haven't seen a BT keyboard that doesn't have the HID profile. |
| 17:59.01 | DaniloCesar | Yes, but I can't use ebay. They doesn't delivery to my country anymore... |
| 17:59.02 | pbryan | pupnik: Same here. It's a nice big keyboard when you expand it. |
| 17:59.14 | pbryan | DaniloCesar: At least you can see what's available. |
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| 18:11.35 | Luria | timeless, u there? |
| 18:12.09 | timeless | yeah |
| 18:12.16 | timeless | now's about as good a time as any |
| 18:12.30 | Luria | ok 1 sec |
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| 18:12.58 | Nermal | helloooo |
| 18:12.59 | Luria | ok, now i have my bt keyboard :-) |
| 18:13.04 | pbryan | :) |
| 18:13.06 | Nermal | someone talk me out of buying an n800 :S |
| 18:13.08 | Luria | so, it's pretty simple |
| 18:13.23 | pbryan | Nermal: The N800 is awful. Send me yours. You'll be glad you did. |
| 18:13.33 | Nermal | oook |
| 18:13.34 | Luria | there is a problem with the way the vkb deals with password fields |
| 18:13.51 | Luria | im using n800, microb 8-3e |
| 18:13.55 | Luria | -3 |
| 18:14.04 | Luria | you with me? |
| 18:14.06 | timeless | ok, i found one device running 4.2007 w/ microb |
| 18:14.15 | timeless | i just need to figure out if i can be in the same room as it |
| 18:14.34 | Luria | ummm.. marital problems? |
| 18:14.57 | timeless | it's seeing another developer |
| 18:15.07 | timeless | he has it tied down... |
| 18:15.07 | Luria | slut |
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| 18:15.23 | Luria | tell him this takes a minute |
| 18:15.26 | Luria | :-) |
| 18:15.33 | timeless | he's out, anyway, ok, let's do it |
| 18:16.02 | Luria | ok, go to a page where there is authentication, user / pass where the pass is supposed to be hidden |
| 18:16.07 | timelE61i | yeah, this is 8-3 |
| 18:16.14 | Luria | anything will work, facebook, gmail |
| 18:16.15 | timelE61i | um |
| 18:16.19 | Luria | whatever |
| 18:16.32 | timelE61i | gmail... |
| 18:16.33 | _Monkey | somebody said gmail was out to get me |
| 18:16.52 | timelE61i | _monkey forget gmail |
| 18:16.53 | _Monkey | timelE61i: I forgot gmail |
| 18:17.19 | timelE61i | gmail is <reply> |
| 18:17.25 | timelE61i | next |
| 18:17.30 | Luria | tap in the user field, to bring up vkb, type in a user name and use the *vkb tab key* to switch to the password field and keep typing |
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| 18:17.53 | Luria | it doesnt know that its in a field that should be treated as hidden |
| 18:18.08 | Luria | now my autocomplete hass some passwords :-( |
| 18:18.12 | timelE61i | hrm, stars here |
| 18:18.28 | Luria | stars in the field, yes |
| 18:18.36 | Luria | but what about below the vkb |
| 18:18.45 | timelE61i | oh |
| 18:18.53 | Luria | see? |
| 18:19.08 | timelE61i | yes! |
| 18:19.19 | Luria | thanks god :-) |
| 18:19.22 | timelE61i | ok |
| 18:19.37 | Luria | there is some wonky stuff with the hidden field detection |
| 18:19.44 | Luria | i have another similar bug |
| 18:19.51 | Luria | but i cant replicate it |
| 18:19.57 | timeless | ok, let's start w/ basics |
| 18:20.22 | timeless | oh darn |
| 18:20.28 | timeless | i never got aroudn to filing that other bug |
| 18:20.31 | Luria | ive had normal text in search fields treated as passwords (the reverse of this problem) |
| 18:20.39 | timeless | heh |
| 18:20.45 | timeless | that makes sense, try this url: |
| 18:20.56 | timeless | data:text/html,<input><input type=password><input> |
| 18:21.02 | Luria | ok |
| 18:21.16 | timeless | simple testcases are appreciated :) |
| 18:21.26 | Luria | one sec, ill have to shut off my bt keyboard |
| 18:21.30 | Luria | brb, testing |
| 18:22.33 | Luria | yeah, same deal |
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| 18:23.43 | timeless | ok, |
| 18:23.48 | timeless | so, can i get you to file the bug? |
| 18:23.55 | timeless | the url field is easy, it's the url i gave you :) |
| 18:24.18 | Luria | didn't know about the data: thing |
| 18:24.57 | Luria | one sec |
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| 19:56.25 | TomCreer | anyone got youtube on the 770 working seamlessly (i.e. without a transcoding external site)? |
| 19:56.50 | timeless | has anyone seen their n800 flicker? |
| 19:56.56 | timeless | mine is changing brightness as it charges |
| 19:57.14 | timeless | it seems to have at least 4 steps |
| 19:57.23 | timeless | i'm fairly certain it's not just pulsing, but not positive |
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| 20:12.06 | trevarth1n | sparr: are you planning on forking Kagu? Or contributing to Kagu? |
| 20:14.59 | erstazi | sorry about all the connects and disconnects... I am trying to get framebuffering working and my irc client is setup in sessions |
| 20:15.17 | erstazi | I should disable that |
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| 21:08.03 | greygusb | re |
| 21:08.29 | greygusb | the new kagu player is really nice |
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| 21:10.13 | greygusb | now sorting my mp3s... i need some kind of id3 tag editor, any existing for the n800 itself? |
| 21:10.55 | timelE61i | Luria: don't forget to file? |
| 21:11.24 | greygusb | oor anyone can recommend one that is good, commandline prefered |
| 21:11.55 | timelE61i | itunes? :) |
| 21:13.47 | greygusb | mh, i somehow was thinking about building it for the n800, not sure how much supportt i'd get froom apple for that ;) |
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| 21:16.15 | greygusb | i was thinking about some kind of script that lets me edit all tags of mp3s in dir in a row |
| 21:16.35 | rev | man, speaking of mp3s on the N800... is there a non-sucky media player i don't know about? |
| 21:16.48 | rev | i don't want something big or fancy like canola |
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| 21:16.57 | timelE61i | which do you know of? |
| 21:17.27 | rev | the in-built media player would be fine except for its crappy key-config (or lack of configuration), its ID3 tag mangling, and the slowness/inconsistent way it reads my taps |
| 21:17.29 | greygusb | i use mplayer most of the time |
| 21:17.43 | dolske | hai! |
| 21:17.43 | rev | well, i know of mplayer, the vlc port, media player and canola |
| 21:17.48 | greygusb | works perfect |
| 21:17.50 | Gigabites | does anyone know how to fix an sd card that went "read only" without reformatting it? |
| 21:17.58 | Gigabites | or what causes it? |
| 21:18.04 | rev | Gigabites: flip the switch back? |
| 21:18.19 | Gigabites | nope, not flipped |
| 21:18.21 | timelE61i | check dmesg |
| 21:18.31 | rev | but mplayer had no concept of ID-tag-based library or directory-as-album |
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| 21:18.48 | timelE61i | usually you're going to want to back up the card |
| 21:18.51 | greygusb | mostly becaause i can choose the cache size with mplayer, usefull if listening from cifs mountts |
| 21:19.03 | timelE61i | i'd personally stop using it. |
| 21:19.12 | rev | i listen to albums and i have no interest in making playlists automatically, but i guess i could write a script to do that |
| 21:19.17 | greygusb | mh i use for loops |
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| 21:19.34 | timelE61i | you could try windows chec disk |
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| 21:20.11 | Veggen | I have had success with fsck.vfat. |
| 21:20.13 | Gigabites | yeh card is backed up. I'm about to reformat just that the maemo mapper directory replacement takes a looooong time, just wanted to fix the card and avoid a restore |
| 21:20.37 | greygusb | i never cared about id3 tags, now i like to sort them to also be able to use the other players |
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| 21:20.52 | Veggen | If you have a scratchbox setup, it shouldn't be too hard to compile it and run it on the device itself. |
| 21:21.48 | Veggen | (hmm, I have it lying around, somewhere. oh right, on the laptop with the broken power contact) |
| 21:21.49 | rev | greygusb: well, i don't care about tags that much- but i d have good tags, but i also have them all in a Music/Artist/Album/Song.mp3 setup too, which facilitates both itunes-ish setups and more simple players like winamp where i can select a folder and have it sort by filename |
| 21:22.16 | timelE61i | Veggen: i don't suppose that explains the source of the corruption :? |
| 21:22.29 | Veggen | nope. |
| 21:22.49 | rev | the N800's player seems to do something between ID3 tags and filenames, and most of the time it actually screws up the order of the tracks on the album |
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| 21:23.22 | greygusb | yes, basically i have only directory sorted mp3s |
| 21:23.30 | greygusb | tons of them |
| 21:23.41 | rev | greygusb: i'd be fine using that, but how do you do that w/ mplayer? with the version i had i could only pick a single song. |
| 21:23.45 | greygusb | cifs mounted to the device |
| 21:23.56 | rev | greygusb: these are all on the machine, no streaming/nfsing or anything |
| 21:24.29 | rev | do i just need to make an m3u for each album? doable, just stupid, imho :P |
| 21:24.32 | timelE61i | rev: could you find some small free mp3s that misbehave and file a bug in bugs.maemo.org? |
| 21:24.34 | ||cw | easytag is nice, not commandlien though, nor something I'd want to run on a handheld |
| 21:24.38 | greygusb | for i in *; do mplayer ... |
| 21:24.56 | greygusb | */* for several dirs |
| 21:25.00 | rev | timelE61i: well, i don't know if it is misbehaving per se, but more that it doesn't do some version of ID3 |
| 21:25.09 | greygusb | aas said, all dir sorted |
| 21:25.51 | greygusb | never cared about id3 tags |
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| 21:26.28 | rev | timelE61i: because according to itunes, for instance, all tracks in a folder have the album tag "Drums and Guns" ; itunes thinks this, as do other apps... maybe it doesn't do a certain version of ID3? |
| 21:26.35 | timelE61i | i don't care about details |
| 21:26.51 | greygusb | ideally, i'd just like to write the dir structure into the id3 tags, my biggest problem are inconsistencies in the spelling |
| 21:26.58 | timelE61i | make a testcase |
| 21:27.07 | rev | greygusb: yeah, but that won't jive for me- i don't want to do ctrl-c to stop playing the tunes, etc; i want to be able to do next/prev track, vol up/down, etc etc consistently |
| 21:27.14 | greygusb | testcase? |
| 21:27.16 | MoRpHeUz | rev: vlc port ? |
| 21:27.34 | ||cw | greygusb: easytag can do that |
| 21:27.36 | greygusb | what testcase database/tool is used? |
| 21:27.56 | rev | MoRpHeUz: seemed oriented for single-songs, i don't want to add 10-20 single songs that make up an album to vlc's playlist |
| 21:27.57 | timelE61i | Yes, a small pair of files which behave differently in itunes v. N800 |
| 21:28.06 | rev | i'll see what i find |
| 21:28.15 | MoRpHeUz | rev: I mean, are there any vlc port for n800 ? |
| 21:28.26 | rev | MoRpHeUz: oh yeah, but the interface is primitive |
| 21:28.49 | timelE61i | greygusb, that reminds me to tell dolske to search for "handels" |
| 21:29.00 | MoRpHeUz | rev: do you have the URL ? =) |
| 21:29.22 | greygusb | mh, easytag is not useable on the n800 i think |
| 21:29.32 | greygusb | handels? |
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| 21:29.45 | rev | MoRpHeUz: i think installed it through the app manager, not sure what rep |
| 21:30.43 | MoRpHeUz | Rebe: I'll take a look =) |
| 21:30.45 | greygusb | btw. is the usb port of the n800 usb2? |
| 21:30.51 | MoRpHeUz | rev: ops...that was for you ^^ |
| 21:30.58 | timelE61i | Rev/greygusb, we're not an entirely opaque company |
| 21:30.59 | dolske | handels? sounds baroquen. |
| 21:31.03 | timelE61i | yes usb2 |
| 21:31.19 | dolske | hispeed or fullspeed? :P |
| 21:31.36 | timelE61i | if you give me a bytesized problem, i can send it to be analyzed |
| 21:31.56 | ||cw | greygusb: it is usb2, but the internal memory card reader is not fast |
| 21:32.06 | timelE61i | and i should be able to get feedback explaining why it doesn't work |
| 21:32.19 | greygusb | i was thinking about getting a sis based usb-vga adapter, driver would exist but it needs usb2 fullspeed |
| 21:32.43 | greygusb | or highspeed, the faster version, always mixing them up |
| 21:32.43 | ||cw | usbhost work on n800 now? |
| 21:32.55 | greygusb | yes, here it does |
| 21:32.59 | ||cw | cool |
| 21:33.08 | greygusb | after changing the hub |
| 21:33.38 | greygusb | who thinks a powered hub still draws power from the device ... |
| 21:33.56 | ||cw | external vga might be difficult as it doens't use a standard xorg/x11, no idea how you' config the external monitor |
| 21:34.08 | ||cw | the device doens't provide power at all |
| 21:34.14 | ||cw | so nothing can draw poer from it |
| 21:34.32 | greygusb | i was expecting that i'd have to rebuild the x itself |
| 21:34.38 | rev | timelE61i: like i said, i'm willing to help, i just have to dink around some |
| 21:34.59 | rev | timelE61i: i've got a list of little annoying bugs i keep meaning to send in, but i don't think it's fair to do so until i upgrade to the newer release, which i've not done |
| 21:35.22 | greygusb | at least there is some sorce package ... |
| 21:35.29 | rev | but i do need to do ASAP because i managed to kill opera with some packages i installed via the app manager |
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| 21:36.08 | timelE61i | Personally i run 3.2007, but i'll find someone to test whatever is current |
| 21:36.48 | greygusb | i wanted to have a look into the x source package for finding oit how to get a usb mouse working |
| 21:36.56 | greygusb | or blietooth |
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| 21:37.36 | timelE61i | given that nokia doesn't include detailed changelogs in any digestable form... |
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| 21:38.11 | timelE61i | it's better to file a bug about 3 and have someone say yeah fixed in 4 |
| 21:38.24 | rev | i suppose! |
| 21:38.25 | rev | :) |
| 21:38.41 | timelE61i | then people w/ 3, myself included will know |
| 21:39.31 | greygusb | mh, i think i'll go to bed, too tired to care about mp3 sorting anymore |
| 21:39.40 | greygusb | n8 |
| 21:39.47 | timelE61i | course, don't try to drown us w/ bugs |
| 21:39.57 | rev | heh |
| 21:40.07 | timelE61i | and definitely retest when you upgrade |
| 21:41.20 | timelE61i | the goal is to make the quality of bugs in bugs.maemo better than any internal system |
| 21:42.12 | timelE61i | Preferably for the entire bug life cycle: report, analysis, testing, resolution, verification |
| 21:43.15 | timelE61i | gah, silly residents of finland |
| 21:43.28 | timelE61i | pass a no smoking indoors law |
| 21:44.00 | timelE61i | so proprieters and customers go into the entrance to smoke |
| 21:44.26 | timelE61i | result: smoke goes inside restaurants/bars |
| 21:45.00 | timelE61i | dolske did you find handel? |
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| 21:46.30 | dolske | ? |
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| 21:48.47 | timely | http://mxr-test.landfill.bugzilla.org/mozilla/search?string=handel |
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| 21:56.34 | dolske | phew, none are mine :) |
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| 22:06.46 | timely | dolske: ping |
| 22:06.52 | timely | does view-source: work in microb? |
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| 22:07.33 | dolske | dunno, although I did notice there's no UI for "View Source". busy atm... |
| 22:07.52 | timely | yeah, a user just filed a bug asking for it |
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| 22:11.51 | mk8 | Hi to all ... I just install bora 3.1 sdk (ok I know that the 3.2 it is released). Before to upgrade I want to make some test but I not find Xephyr. Anyone know how to install it? |
| 22:12.01 | mk8 | and where download it? |
| 22:13.40 | mk8 | sorry, I found it. Thanks |
| 22:13.44 | rik | is there a way of convincing the N800 with release 4 of OS2007 not to try to connect to a wifi access point when i'm trying to look at some web page that's on localhost? |
| 22:13.58 | rik | get it to actualyl consult the routing table before heading out over the network? |
| 22:15.58 | timely | rlk: there's a bug in bugs.mameo.org |
| 22:16.01 | timely | or bugs.maemo.org |
| 22:16.16 | timely | in short, please yell at the connectivity folks |
| 22:16.20 | timely | it's all their fault |
| 22:17.37 | rik | 'k |
| 22:19.24 | timely | i think you can install minimo/firefox/any normal application :) |
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| 22:21.24 | timely | (actually there are about 4 bugs in bugs.maemo.org about it) |
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| 22:22.37 | rik | actually, i was thinking about canola's config tool |
| 22:23.18 | Tu13es | what is the Dialpad for in Internet Call? |
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| 22:23.54 | timely | rik: as i said, it's all connectivity's fault |
| 22:24.11 | timely | and yes, i know about the config tool |
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| 22:24.31 | timely | although people said it causes the browser to crash, and i never managed to install it, after a couple of attempts |
| 22:25.06 | rik | i've never managed to crash the browser. |
| 22:25.15 | rik | but i'm good at installing canola now. |
| 22:25.28 | rik | i've had every possible failure mode, as far as i can tell, so i can sort out any problems. |
| 22:25.39 | rik | it's jsut a shame it uses gstreamer as a backend, rather than mplayer. |
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| 22:27.02 | ibnnagrela | btw, is there any chance of increasing the number of encoding schemes in microb? |
| 22:27.04 | bmk789 | is it a better idea to get a 770 cheap or wait for an 800? |
| 22:27.16 | timely | eh? |
| 22:27.28 | timely | you mean in the encoding dialog? |
| 22:27.30 | Luria_ | yeah |
| 22:27.34 | timely | heh |
| 22:27.42 | timely | we intentionally limited it because there weren't any fonts |
| 22:27.43 | Gigabites | bmk, depends what you will use it for |
| 22:27.48 | timely | and supporting others didn't make sense |
| 22:27.50 | Luria_ | i thought it was a limitation of the system, but ive added he_il |
| 22:28.03 | timely | why show people a hebrew encoding when all you'd get is squares? |
| 22:28.24 | Luria_ | hence my idea of an oss font project :-) |
| 22:29.19 | bmk789 | can a 770 run the latest OS and run maemo-mapper decently? |
| 22:29.40 | timely | what do you mean wait for an n800? |
| 22:29.47 | Gigabites | it can run the latest OS for the 770 and yes runs maemo mapper decently |
| 22:29.53 | timely | there's a thing called 2007-he for the 770 |
| 22:29.55 | Luria_ | incidentally, there are a bunch of inaccuracies in the maemo hebrew thing... be that as it may, is there documentation for which /usr/share/fonts and /usr/share/fonts/nokia font are used where? |
| 22:30.04 | Gigabites | you can put the hacker edition of 2007 but it's a kludge |
| 22:30.30 | Gigabites | he-2007 is NOT for new users |
| 22:30.40 | Luria_ | i would love to help fix unicode support on the n800 - and not just for rtl languages |
| 22:31.45 | Luria_ | though im not so ambitious or skilled to do an ime :-) |
| 22:33.18 | Gigabites | personally, buy the N800, buying the 770 now is like buying a nintendo 64, lots of great stuff is available for it, but no one is writing anything for it anymore |
| 22:33.39 | erstazi | Gigabites: I am porting for OS2006 (: |
| 22:33.48 | Gigabites | heh |
| 22:34.09 | Gigabites | unfortunately nokia isn't |
| 22:34.10 | erstazi | 770 is not a bad choice |
| 22:34.19 | erstazi | yes, the n800 is getting the spotlight |
| 22:34.21 | Gigabites | all the new stuff is on the n800 |
| 22:34.31 | erstazi | but choosing between $130 and $330, thats a choice |
| 22:34.45 | erstazi | Gigabites: and all it needs is to be ported, nokia barely releases software, its the community |
| 22:34.53 | Gigabites | the 770 is the "first experiment" |
| 22:34.57 | erstazi | actually |
| 22:35.02 | bmk789 | will the 770 be able to run all the same software as the 800? |
| 22:35.06 | erstazi | OS2005 was the first experiment |
| 22:35.06 | timely | the n800 is the third experiment :) |
| 22:35.08 | Gigabites | NO |
| 22:35.12 | erstazi | bmk789: some but not all |
| 22:35.23 | Gigabites | the 770 is limited in what it can run |
| 22:35.30 | timely | bmk789: the fmradio and camera apps most definitely won't work on the 770 |
| 22:35.31 | erstazi | Gigabites: do you own one? |
| 22:35.37 | Gigabites | yes |
| 22:35.38 | erstazi | bmk789: what do you want to do on it? |
| 22:35.45 | Gigabites | i own a 770 then an n800 |
| 22:35.49 | bmk789 | ok, i guess ill save up for an 800 instead |
| 22:35.53 | bmk789 | thanks |
| 22:36.07 | timely | if you need to save up, i'm not sure the n800 makes a lot of sense |
| 22:36.10 | erstazi | I do think the n800 is a major improvement hardware wise |
| 22:36.17 | timely | if it's going to hurt your pocket that much... |
| 22:36.27 | Gigabites | os2005, oh please now you're just splitting hairs, it was still hardware wise a 770 |
| 22:36.27 | erstazi | timely: every penny counts |
| 22:36.51 | Luria_ | music is also pointless on the n800 |
| 22:36.55 | erstazi | Gigabites: I do split hairs sometimes but having two sd slots and a camera is nice |
| 22:37.03 | Luria_ | i mean 770 |
| 22:37.03 | erstazi | Luria_: use slimserver or similar |
| 22:37.11 | erstazi | still, use slimserver or similar |
| 22:37.15 | Luria_ | typo |
| 22:37.26 | Luria_ | i mean 770 max storage = 2gb |
| 22:37.35 | erstazi | Luria_: with slimserver, you can broadcast your music |
| 22:37.40 | Luria_ | n800 = 16gb and counting |
| 22:37.49 | Gigabites | my 770 has been in a box in a drawer for 6 months and hasn't seen the light of day |
| 22:38.02 | Luria_ | which is useless on an airplane, or a car, or a subway |
| 22:38.14 | Gigabites | luria, yeh totally true |
| 22:38.36 | Luria_ | my n800 has replaced my iriver |
| 22:38.45 | Gigabites | not to mention the 770 uses harder to find MMC-rs |
| 22:38.46 | timely | my 770 is on my desk between my keyboard and my cinema display :) |
| 22:39.13 | Gigabites | and n800 uses sd (in the case of my n800, two 8 gig sdhc cards) |
| 22:40.02 | Gigabites | other than saving a bit of cash on a new experince, the 770 isn't worth buying |
| 22:40.07 | timely | http://shop.vendio.com/eavyexpress/item/936349399/?s=1187604003 |
| 22:40.12 | timely | New Sandisk 1GB RS-MMC Card $7.98 |
| 22:40.28 | erstazi | a 2gb RS-MMC is $20 roughly on buy.com |
| 22:40.38 | Gigabites | if you don't know what you will use an IT for, and never owned one, then yes, get the 770 and see if buying an n800 is worth it |
| 22:40.56 | erstazi | Gigabites: just for you to know, I was just busting ya, I do know that n800 is better in performance and hardware but the 770 is still a value saver |
| 22:41.05 | Gigabites | sure |
| 22:41.14 | Gigabites | i agree |
| 22:41.20 | erstazi | again, $200 makes a difference to people |
| 22:41.24 | Luria_ | dunno. think the 770 is better as an around the house device... n800 is more versatile |
| 22:41.30 | Gigabites | hahah sandisk, never buy that crappy brand |
| 22:41.32 | erstazi | Luria_: agreed |
| 22:41.53 | Luria_ | 770 may be better for hacking value |
| 22:41.53 | erstazi | but, both have the same hardware stats for wifi last I checked |
| 22:41.56 | Gigabites | actually luria i ythink the opposite |
| 22:42.01 | Luria_ | really? |
| 22:42.10 | Luria_ | how so? |
| 22:42.29 | Gigabites | the 770 is better for the outside world, better case, if it breaks, it's cheaper to replace, and it's so ugly no one would steal it hahah |
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| 22:42.52 | erstazi | haha timely |
| 22:43.01 | Gigabites | as a designer, the 770 is ugly |
| 22:43.05 | erstazi | the 770 is much sturdier |
| 22:44.24 | Luria_ | eh? |
| 22:44.33 | Gigabites | for example i used to take my 770 out geocaching and it was good |
| 22:44.36 | Luria_ | 800 is uglier than 770 |
| 22:44.55 | Luria_ | i like the shell case... though if you lose it... |
| 22:45.39 | Gigabites | the shell case was a good idea |
| 22:45.42 | timely | the 770s anyway |
| 22:46.08 | Gigabites | but hahah man, the 770 is just plain ugly, black plastic bar |
| 22:46.45 | MCCob | but it is a functionnal tablette for a little price and it's Linux ! |
| 22:46.52 | Gigabites | my proporta leather case i have on my n800 adds bulk but at least it has a metal plate to protect the screen |
| 22:46.54 | Luria_ | i want the 800 with wimax :-/ |
| 22:47.32 | MCCob | anyone know if 2.x Ghz WiMax chipset will be compatible whith 3.5 Ghz WiMax ? |
| 22:48.20 | Gigabites | what i never understood is why why why nokia didn't add bluetooth headset profiles |
| 22:48.33 | Luria_ | yeah, wtf? |
| 22:48.55 | Gigabites | even my old nokia 6230b has bt support |
| 22:49.24 | Gigabites | sure kagu supports ad2p but it's a kludge |
| 22:49.49 | Gigabites | but it is nice to use my moto bt stereo headset to listen to music |
| 22:50.33 | lardman | night all |
| 22:54.33 | Luria_ | actually, add in wimax, transflective screen, usb host, video out, and more ram - and ditch the internal memory |
| 22:54.47 | Luria_ | and turn on the damn 3d |
| 22:54.56 | Luria_ | and ill be pretty happy |
| 22:55.14 | Luria_ | 810f and ipx7 would be really hot |
| 22:55.35 | GeneralAntilles | I think video out is a more important feature than Nokia realizes. |
| 22:55.58 | MCCob | does anyone know if there is other SIP software because I want to try SIP with another program that Gizmo Project |
| 22:56.05 | Luria_ | also, the usb host nonsense |
| 22:56.23 | MCCob | (SIP software for N770 and OS 2006...) |
| 22:56.33 | Luria_ | gizmo works with any sip host |
| 22:56.46 | Luria_ | unless you just dont like the software |
| 22:57.10 | Luria_ | in which case... youll just have to hope that rtcomm somehow makes it to the 770 |
| 22:58.11 | MCCob | ok, so I will go to light up a candle in a church... |
| 22:58.26 | Gigabites | wy would you need video out? on such a small screen blown up big? what's teh point? |
| 22:58.55 | Gigabites | luria, and your battery life would be oh, about 5 mins with all that crap |
| 22:59.27 | Gigabites | remember, the n800 (and 770) runs on a cell phone battery, not a laptop battery |
| 23:00.06 | Luria_ | hardly. |
| 23:00.41 | Gigabites | more crap, especially radios will drain batteries faster |
| 23:00.45 | Luria_ | 3d isnt on 24-7. neither is wimax. losing the internal memory is a bit of gain. |
| 23:00.56 | Luria_ | increasing ram takes that back. |
| 23:01.07 | Gigabites | um, why would losing the internnal memory be good? |
| 23:01.22 | Luria_ | transflective screen reduces power in daylight use |
| 23:01.33 | Luria_ | so, no, there are no losses. |
| 23:01.57 | Gigabites | yet it adds cost |
| 23:02.12 | Luria_ | for the same reason i dont want my system hd in my computer to be non upgradeable |
| 23:02.31 | Luria_ | what adds cost? |
| 23:02.33 | Gigabites | people bitch at a $400 n800, a $600 n800 will fair no better |
| 23:03.03 | Luria_ | not this year, but that price point is feasible |
| 23:03.05 | Gigabites | you don't think all that crap will be free to add? |
| 23:03.08 | Luria_ | $400 |
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| 23:03.35 | Luria_ | 1, if it were crap, i wouldnt be the only voice calling for some of those things. |
| 23:03.48 | Gigabites | hahah yeh, you might as well light that candle |
| 23:03.50 | Luria_ | 2, the 3d is already there, nokia just screwed up the bus |
| 23:04.19 | Luria_ | a nominal increase in ram and removing the internal flash is a wash |
| 23:04.39 | Gigabites | lots of crap people ask for, nokia still didn't add it, but gave us useless shit lik ethe cam |
| 23:04.55 | Luria_ | not to mention the constant downward pressure on ICs |
| 23:05.41 | Luria_ | also, nokia has a press release about a n800 wimax model |
| 23:05.48 | Luria_ | so, to recap. |
| 23:05.49 | Gigabites | big deal |
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| 23:05.59 | Gigabites | as if wimax is everywhere |
| 23:06.00 | artemisprime | hello |
| 23:06.02 | _Monkey | que tal, artemisprime |
| 23:06.24 | artemisprime | nada _Monkey |
| 23:06.27 | artemisprime | hehe |
| 23:06.29 | Luria_ | wimax, 3d is already there. ram is a wash, and there is no major new power requirement. |
| 23:06.38 | Gigabites | hahah ram is a wash |
| 23:06.40 | Gigabites | right |
| 23:06.56 | Luria_ | now, the 810f/ipx7 is a dream, but what was your point again? |
| 23:07.01 | Gigabites | well hope you light that candle for the n900 |
| 23:07.12 | Luria_ | whats with the candles? |
| 23:07.15 | Gigabites | i'm not holding my breath |
| 23:07.43 | Luria_ | why not? |
| 23:08.11 | Gigabites | <MCCob> ok, so I will go to light up a candle in a church... |
| 23:08.41 | Gigabites | whatever dude, we'll see what nokia will put out |
| 23:08.49 | artemisprime | whoa |
| 23:08.55 | Luria_ | i dont light candles or go to church. pay more attention to the channel. |
| 23:09.04 | artemisprime | just found some pics of what might be next |
| 23:09.07 | Gigabites | it was a joke dude |
| 23:09.08 | Gigabites | relax |
| 23:09.13 | artemisprime | http://www.intomobile.com/2007/07/11/next-nokia-internet-tablet-spotted-is-it-n900.html |
| 23:09.40 | artemisprime | not much info but nice pics |
| 23:09.47 | Luria_ | artemisprime, probably a hoax |
| 23:09.55 | Gigabites | it was a hoax |
| 23:09.59 | artemisprime | hrmmm |
| 23:10.00 | Luria_ | was on gizmondo a month+ ago |
| 23:10.05 | artemisprime | oh |
| 23:10.07 | artemisprime | lame |
| 23:10.35 | Gigabites | looks like it was fashioned from roof flashing |
| 23:11.08 | Gigabites | i would hate a built in kb |
| 23:11.19 | artemisprime | can the 770 do java or not ? |
| 23:11.38 | Gigabites | and you have to open it to use the pad and hwkeys? bah |
| 23:11.44 | Gigabites | it's a stupid design anyway |
| 23:11.49 | artemisprime | i still never figured out the answer to that |
| 23:16.50 | artemisprime | anyone gotten blackdown j2me for arm to work ? |
| 23:17.03 | fish_ | re |
| 23:17.13 | artemisprime | hu ? |
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| 23:17.39 | artemisprime | hello DaniloCesar |
| 23:17.54 | DaniloCesar | Hi artemisprime |
| 23:18.33 | artemisprime | i was just wondering if anyone knew where I could download blackdown j3me for arm |
| 23:18.41 | artemisprime | or if anyone got java to work yet |
| 23:19.13 | artemisprime | if mobile phones can do it im sure the n770 has enought juice |
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| 23:21.10 | pupnik | it even has java support in the cpu |
| 23:21.18 | pupnik | java? |
| 23:21.26 | artemisprime | what? |
| 23:21.29 | DaniloCesar | I dont know.... I see something about it on maemo´s user list. |
| 23:21.39 | Gigabites | i don't think it's a matter of juice, just nokias will for it to happen, like bluetooth headsets |
| 23:22.01 | pupnik | blackdown is completely free - no reason it's not just a build away |
| 23:22.18 | artemisprime | where can i find this blackdown j2me for arm ? |
| 23:22.25 | artemisprime | it supposedly exists |
| 23:22.54 | erstazi | artemisprime: I have looked |
| 23:22.57 | artemisprime | i know we just need a port |
| 23:23.02 | artemisprime | ers: no dice ? |
| 23:23.15 | erstazi | it use to exist somewhere, but it has to be somewhere still... either source files somewhere |
| 23:23.18 | erstazi | artemisprime: exactly |
| 23:23.26 | artemisprime | damn |
| 23:23.32 | artemisprime | where could it be |
| 23:23.37 | erstazi | I have searched high and low, and I have not found any source |
| 23:23.44 | artemisprime | lame |
| 23:23.53 | erstazi | my next choice is to email them |
| 23:23.56 | artemisprime | its not on the blackdown ftp |
| 23:23.58 | erstazi | or someone else can |
| 23:23.59 | artemisprime | thats for sure |
| 23:24.09 | erstazi | I cannot believe that project is gone |
| 23:24.14 | erstazi | unless its trademark issues |
| 23:24.40 | artemisprime | trademark |
| 23:24.43 | artemisprime | lame |
| 23:24.49 | artemisprime | prolly so |
| 23:25.05 | pupnik | j2se is running |
| 23:25.22 | artemisprime | pupnik: what ? |
| 23:25.41 | artemisprime | share the wealth man |
| 23:25.43 | artemisprime | :) |
| 23:25.54 | pupnik | i can't copy and paste from iceweasel |
| 23:26.12 | artemisprime | hu ? |
| 23:26.15 | pupnik | search itt forums for java |
| 23:26.25 | pupnik | iceweasel is broken with synergy |
| 23:26.31 | artemisprime | i have searched |
| 23:26.34 | pupnik | when the window loses focus it clears the copy buffer |
| 23:26.34 | artemisprime | no dice |
| 23:26.53 | artemisprime | pupnik: can u send me the file |
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| 23:26.58 | artemisprime | for j2se |
| 23:27.05 | pupnik | so i have to first paste the url into rxvt |
| 23:27.08 | pupnik | then rehilight |
| 23:27.11 | pupnik | then repaste into irssi |
| 23:27.13 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:27.17 | erstazi | pupnik: are you saying you got j2se on your nokia? |
| 23:27.22 | pupnik | no |
| 23:27.30 | pupnik | just that someone else posted that they did |
| 23:27.36 | erstazi | ah |
| 23:28.33 | pupnik | isn't there an open-source javavm for debian? |
| 23:28.51 | erstazi | pupnik: not that I know of |
| 23:28.53 | erstazi | let me check what I have |
| 23:30.22 | erstazi | pupnik: I am running Blackdown Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition |
| 23:30.26 | DaniloCesar | Someone can explain me why ALT+TAB doesn`t work sometimes with gain on N800? But its works fine with another programs... (like xchat, xterm, etc) |
| 23:30.27 | erstazi | I can see if I can grab the sources and go from there |
| 23:30.51 | artemisprime | hmmm |
| 23:31.01 | artemisprime | this forum post is useless |
| 23:31.43 | erstazi | pupnik: Blackdown needs a lot of dependencies |
| 23:31.56 | pupnik | got a deb-src? |
| 23:32.01 | erstazi | pupnik: working on that |
| 23:32.15 | erstazi | I am doing 40 million things at once, trying to slim down |
| 23:32.15 | artemisprime | erstazi: ur going to port it ? |
| 23:32.27 | erstazi | artemisprime: I can try but I am just doing small apps right now |
| 23:32.34 | artemisprime | right on |
| 23:32.40 | erstazi | I am no expert for porting to a different arch |
| 23:32.46 | erstazi | pupnik: can you lend a hand in help? |
| 23:32.47 | artemisprime | that would be awesome |
| 23:32.58 | artemisprime | i cant program |
| 23:33.04 | artemisprime | or i would help |
| 23:33.18 | artemisprime | ive got to eat |
| 23:33.30 | artemisprime | bbiaf |
| 23:33.34 | pupnik | i don't know, looking at blackdown's ftp mirrors i see a jdk |
| 23:34.21 | pupnik | erstazi: no there has to be a reason for java RE on the tablets |
| 23:34.27 | pupnik | time is better spent understanding why |
| 23:34.37 | pupnik | for *no* java RE |
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| 23:34.58 | erstazi | hmm |
| 23:35.13 | erstazi | artemisprime: its not programming, its just porting and packaging |
| 23:35.25 | erstazi | well, some programming knowledge is needed for like hildonizing and the likes |
| 23:36.47 | erstazi | which java should I go for? |
| 23:36.49 | erstazi | I am thinking 1 |
| 23:36.52 | erstazi | 1.X |
| 23:36.54 | erstazi | something |
| 23:36.54 | pupnik | java-linux/java2-status/ |
| 23:36.54 | _Monkey | something is wacky here |
| 23:37.02 | pupnik | damn iceweasel |
| 23:37.08 | pupnik | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=54833&postcount=12 |
| 23:37.17 | erstazi | pupnik: you are on debian eh? |
| 23:37.18 | pupnik | flag to artemisprime ^^ |
| 23:38.52 | erstazi | pupnik: thought so |
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| 23:39.30 | erstazi | "I won't hold my breath for that. I'll be *very* surprised (with no empirical knowledge unlike yourself) to see Flash 9 in any ITOS 2007 release." I thought Flash9 was on OS2007?? |
| 23:40.01 | pupnik | read the next line |
| 23:40.30 | erstazi | yeah |
| 23:40.31 | erstazi | I saw |
| 23:40.33 | erstazi | edit: bla bla |
| 23:40.51 | pupnik | Edit: OK, I was surprised :-) |
| 23:41.01 | pupnik | that means he wrote it before it was released |
| 23:41.03 | pupnik | then saw the release |
| 23:41.07 | pupnik | then added that Edit: |
| 23:43.10 | erstazi | ah |
| 23:43.14 | erstazi | yeah I saw that |
| 23:43.21 | erstazi | pupnik: what does "a floating-point unit" mean? |
| 23:43.37 | erstazi | in the context of: "For maximum performance on machines with a floating-point unit (i.e. most of them), don't pass the --enable-fixed to autogen.sh or configure" |
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| 23:43.42 | erstazi | hi shackan |
| 23:44.36 | pupnik | it is a part of a cpu that performs 'floating-point' arithmetic |
| 23:44.52 | erstazi | o |
| 23:45.13 | erstazi | so I can safely assume that nokia's tablets use that then huh |
| 23:45.14 | pupnik | 'floating point' arithmetic is useful for 3D computations and some media applications |
| 23:45.44 | erstazi | ok |
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| 23:45.57 | erstazi | pupnik: StrongARM is an older version of ARM right? |
| 23:45.58 | pupnik | 770 has no floating point that i know of |
| 23:46.18 | pupnik | StrongARM is intel's variant of ARM architecture based on an older design |
| 23:46.39 | erstazi | ah yes |
| 23:46.43 | erstazi | hmm |
| 23:48.11 | erstazi | even though PocketSphinx is not a full speech-to-text engine, I think its worth a go |
| 23:48.43 | erstazi | pupnik: are you going to be up for a few hours? if so, do you mind if I ask questions on my route to porting and packaging this? |
| 23:49.06 | pupnik | i will be around - let me check |
| 23:51.37 | erstazi | pupnik: thank you |
| 23:52.21 | pupnik | 3.5 hours |
| 23:52.47 | erstazi | ok |
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