| 00:00.05 | Luria | so you can use regular phones too |
| 00:01.11 | Luria | how would you be using the touch screens? |
| 00:02.26 | sully | View front porch camera, pick music, Internet? |
| 00:02.33 | sully | I haven't thought it all the way through |
| 00:03.48 | Luria | PoE sound like the way to go |
| 00:03.59 | Luria | you may have to hack your own device/frame |
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| 00:04.27 | Luria | though i dunno about about the power for the screen |
| 00:04.30 | sully | There are a bunch of microATX computers out there, but all pricey |
| 00:04.40 | sully | I've got a few years to figure it out |
| 00:04.54 | Luria | gumstix |
| 00:05.09 | Luria | not uATX |
| 00:05.22 | Luria | they arent pricey |
| 00:07.03 | Luria | but no poe yet |
| 00:07.10 | Luria | but they will, eventually |
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| 00:12.47 | Luria | well, pulled the trigger on the 770 |
| 00:13.03 | Luria | anyone bought a 770 after an n800 |
| 00:13.17 | Luria | (while still owning the n800) |
| 00:15.00 | Luria | anyone? |
| 00:16.16 | sully | http://www.brainyhistory.com/events/1957/august_17_1957_119308.html |
| 00:16.19 | sully | That's amazing. |
| 00:16.56 | Luria | i saw that simpsons episode |
| 00:17.25 | Luria | oh wait thats real |
| 00:17.25 | Luria | :-) |
| 00:25.51 | erstazi | I love when my wife moves my blank cd's |
| 00:26.03 | erstazi | especially when she knows I use them every week |
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| 00:52.17 | Lloyd | I just got my nokia 770 yesterday... I bought it on a whim, would love to know how to get the most of it. Does anyone have any suggestions? |
| 00:52.36 | Lloyd | how do I even check what OS version I'm running? I've been looking for a while, and can't find it... |
| 00:52.55 | sully | Control Panel, Device |
| 00:53.46 | Lloyd | Internet Tablet os 2006 :( |
| 00:53.56 | Lloyd | is there an upgrade? |
| 00:54.03 | Lloyd | sully btw, thanks |
| 00:54.09 | sully | Yeah, but you don't probably want it just yet |
| 00:54.16 | sully | Here's my list of applications to get on the 770: http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=66&threadid=2072173&highlight_key=y |
| 00:58.14 | Lloyd | sully, when should I upgrade to 07? |
| 00:58.36 | Lloyd | or the 'hacker version' http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ |
| 00:58.40 | sully | When they give us an official release :) It should be coming soonish |
| 00:58.55 | Lloyd | ahh... so it hasn't been 'officially' released. :) cool |
| 00:58.55 | sully | official-unofficial anyways |
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| 01:00.44 | Lloyd | you have everything I need, except vnc. |
| 01:01.36 | sully | People ooh and aah over my Remote Desktop capabilities, haha |
| 01:01.45 | sully | I do need to figure out how to VPN on the 770 though |
| 01:02.04 | Lloyd | that's why I was going to use ssh, so I could 'safely' browser over open WIFI. |
| 01:02.20 | sully | I really want someone to get the IP-over-DNS thing moving. |
| 01:02.42 | Lloyd | hahaha... that would be awesome. |
| 01:02.51 | Lloyd | I wonder would that work in starbucks, or if they plugged that hole |
| 01:03.38 | erstazi | Lloyd, I never tried that |
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| 01:04.17 | sully | erstazi, was it you who got it working? |
| 01:04.19 | Lloyd | erstazi: it's a little slower, but heck... I dont watn to transfer my passwords, over unsecured wifi. |
| 01:05.37 | erstazi | sully, I did vnc before but I do that all the time, especially for work |
| 01:07.12 | DaniloCesar | Lloyd, You can use a ssh tunnel in these cases |
| 01:08.27 | Lloyd | DaniloCesar: :) yup... but openssh isn't on the maemo repo. :( |
| 01:09.38 | DaniloCesar | ??? |
| 01:09.49 | Lloyd | says it can't find it |
| 01:09.59 | Lloyd | "Not Found?" |
| 01:09.59 | DaniloCesar | Its another name |
| 01:10.18 | DaniloCesar | little ssh or something |
| 01:11.08 | Lloyd | http://maemo.org/downloads/search/application.html?org_openpsa_products_search%5B1%5D%5Bproperty%5D=description&org_openpsa_products_search%5B1%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_openpsa_products_search%5B1%5D%5Bvalue%5D=ssh&org_openpsa_products_search%5B2%5D%5Bproperty%5D=os&org_openpsa_products_search%5B2%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_openpsa_products_search%5B2%5D%5Bvalue%5D=IT2007&org_openpsa_products_ |
| 01:11.09 | Lloyd | search%5B3%5D%5Bproperty%5D=license&org_openpsa_products_search%5B3%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_openpsa_products_search%5B3%5D%5Bvalue%5D=&org_openpsa_products_search%5B4%5D%5Bproperty%5D=status&org_openpsa_products_search%5B4%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_openpsa_products_search%5B4%5D%5Bvalue%5D=&fetch=Fetch%21 |
| 01:11.26 | Lloyd | oh wow... maemo should probably use some sort of routing + session information. heh. |
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| 01:15.11 | sparr | dpkg-deb (subprocess): short read in buffer_copy (failed to write to pipe in copy) |
| 01:15.19 | sparr | im getting that error at random when installing packages with dpkg -i |
| 01:15.26 | sparr | just trying again usually fixes it |
| 01:15.35 | sparr | or redownloading the package |
| 01:15.40 | sparr | wtf? |
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| 01:40.24 | Luria | silly maemo page |
| 01:40.37 | Luria | timeless, you there? |
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| 01:41.51 | Blacksitox | Hi all. I have a Nokia n800 and my ISP requires a PPPoE connection over my configured WiFi connection |
| 01:42.03 | Blacksitox | what are the possibilities to set up a PPPoE connection? |
| 01:42.11 | rhys | anyone know why themes dont work anymore on the n800? downloaded themes that is. |
| 01:42.16 | Blacksitox | or can you tell me some web page, where I can read about configuring the PPPoE? |
| 01:42.49 | DaniloCesar | Someone here know if a Palm BT keyboard works fine with N800? |
| 01:43.06 | Lloyd | rhys: some change in the theme engine, causing imcompatibilities, no work around yet (that I know of) |
| 01:43.19 | rhys | Blacksitox, your router does pppoe, then the rest of your network is behind your router. |
| 01:43.52 | rhys | Lloyd, ty |
| 01:44.37 | Blacksitox | rhys, yes |
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| 01:44.53 | rhys | also, anyone know if theres a tab on the thumbboard |
| 01:45.56 | rhys | Blacksitox, then your n800 only has to worry about the authentication with your wifi router. |
| 01:46.04 | sully | You shouldn't need you Nokia 800 to do PPPoE |
| 01:46.19 | sully | and I don't know why I said that since it was all just explained, never mind :o |
| 01:47.23 | Blacksitox | I do not have to router wifi |
| 01:47.33 | Lloyd | freakn' battery has lasterd a while, while not being ever charged... still had charge out of the box... (unopened) |
| 01:50.31 | rhys | Blacksitox, what is your setup then? |
| 01:50.56 | sully | Are you saying that your Internet is provided to you via Wi-Fi? |
| 01:54.36 | Lloyd | is there a better application manager than the default one? |
| 01:54.54 | sully | haha |
| 01:55.16 | sully | Let's not get too ambitious |
| 01:55.22 | Lloyd | it's horrid... I'm used to gnome |
| 01:55.35 | sully | A lot on the tablet is rather horrid, unfortunately |
| 01:55.40 | sully | Wait until you experience the RSS reader |
| 01:55.50 | Lloyd | I use the google.com/reader |
| 01:55.58 | Lloyd | I got used to that just recently, and it's pretty good. |
| 01:56.00 | sully | I really want something for offline reading |
| 01:56.01 | rhys | i use pacman. its ok |
| 01:56.01 | Lloyd | except it's not offline |
| 01:56.20 | Blacksitox | rhys, to router ADSL |
| 01:56.27 | sully | rhys, what is that? |
| 01:56.40 | Lloyd | why's nano-tiny at 1.2.4-5, when nano 2.05 is out? weird. |
| 01:56.52 | Lloyd | why would I want php5 on a tablet?? |
| 01:57.03 | sully | Were there significant advances in the world of text editors? |
| 01:57.07 | rhys | he saod he uses gnome. im used to pacman, the arch package manager. |
| 01:57.12 | sully | ahh |
| 01:57.30 | Lloyd | scully, yeah, enhanced syntax highlighting within nano |
| 01:57.32 | Lloyd | :) |
| 01:58.12 | Lloyd | I know how to use atitude. :) |
| 01:58.25 | Lloyd | and apt-get... which would be less painful than the default. |
| 01:58.35 | Lloyd | just make myself the text files on the PC, and copy them over. |
| 01:58.54 | rhys | pacman is apt-get done better |
| 02:00.15 | Lloyd | why is there wordpress in the packages?? like... who's going to setup an httpd, php, and wordpress for their tablet? maybe it's just 'cause I can'... but really... spend that time and effort into something more pleasant. I can maybe understand php and an httpd deamon... but wordpress as a package |
| 02:00.46 | sparr | Lloyd: me, maybe? |
| 02:01.05 | sparr | ive run daemons and servers of various sorts on handheld devices at LAN parties before |
| 02:01.16 | sparr | never anything as complex as wordpress, but thats not outside the realm of possibility |
| 02:01.20 | Lloyd | what was the reason for doing so? |
| 02:01.39 | sparr | because i didnt have a spare computer on the LAN to run [whatever] |
| 02:12.08 | erstazi | I am smoking way too much today |
| 02:12.22 | Lloyd | quit... you'd save so much. |
| 02:12.36 | Lloyd | how much is a pack where you're at? how many packs a day? |
| 02:12.47 | Lloyd | * 365 |
| 02:13.23 | Lloyd | say $5, pack a day. $1825/yr... that's a whole new kick ass computer. |
| 02:13.33 | erstazi | $4 |
| 02:13.41 | erstazi | and I smoke 10 cigs a day on average |
| 02:13.52 | Lloyd | 25 in a pack? |
| 02:13.55 | Lloyd | or the smalls? |
| 02:14.01 | erstazi | but yes I know the costs |
| 02:14.05 | erstazi | 20, 100s |
| 02:14.40 | Lloyd | oh... that's only $730/yr... you can buy a crappy laptop for that... :) |
| 02:14.55 | erstazi | haha |
| 02:15.02 | erstazi | well my wife smokes 1.5 packs a day |
| 02:15.08 | erstazi | and they are $5 a pack |
| 02:15.40 | erstazi | but yeah, I know the costs involved, I quit once before when I joined the Army (17 years old) then started up about 3 years ago |
| 02:15.44 | erstazi | again |
| 02:15.51 | erstazi | so I didn't smoke for the longest time |
| 02:15.56 | Lloyd | stressed? |
| 02:16.01 | erstazi | and I don't even remember why I started again |
| 02:16.05 | erstazi | well, now I am |
| 02:16.07 | erstazi | but thats nothing new |
| 02:16.52 | erstazi | 3 years ago, I don't remember anything or what happened |
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| 02:18.51 | Lloyd | is there firefox for 770? |
| 02:19.25 | sully | There is Mini Mozilla |
| 02:19.50 | erstazi | minimo? |
| 02:19.51 | _Monkey | minimo is (Mini Mozilla) Web browser, a slimmed down version of mozilla browser aiming resource reduced devices. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/minimo/ |
| 02:20.12 | erstazi | Lloyd, I have minimo on my OS2006/Nokia 770 |
| 02:26.38 | sully | gainroot? |
| 02:26.49 | sully | shucks, I was hoping there'd be a bot reply. |
| 02:30.41 | straind | gainroot is the crutch of the feeble mind. |
| 02:30.57 | straind | How's that? |
| 02:32.02 | Luria | wow |
| 02:32.05 | Luria | thats odd |
| 02:32.32 | Luria | i finally got the hebrew keyboard working... but only the small one |
| 02:32.44 | Luria | if it goes big, it turns into russian |
| 02:33.09 | straind | How do you make it big? |
| 02:33.16 | Luria | i mean thumbboard |
| 02:33.33 | straind | How do you do that? |
| 02:33.42 | Luria | i think there needs to be an oss font package for nokia |
| 02:34.27 | Luria | default is to hit the center switch on the d-pad when there is a tap keyboard |
| 02:35.42 | straind | Doesn't work for me in xterm. :( |
| 02:36.26 | straind | I keep finding giant keys after I accidentally put it somewhere and it gets roughed up by the kids or some groceries. |
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| 02:37.27 | Luria | i think you need osso-xterm maemo hackers edition |
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| 03:15.08 | Luria | timeless, you there? |
| 03:17.43 | Luria | anyone experienced with vkbs? |
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| 03:41.31 | sparr | a web site for submitting photos of windows keys found in the wild, on the side of POS computers and such... would people use it? think it would get filled with spam? |
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| 03:44.11 | erstazi | sparr, most definitely |
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| 04:08.29 | kreig | wooo |
| 04:08.46 | kreig | I went and got my buggy n800 replaced at the Nokia store and the new one is working like a charm so far |
| 04:09.38 | kreig | one guy tried to tell me it wasn't designed to pull files from my cell phone over bluetooth |
| 04:09.54 | kreig | but I told him if that was the case, then he can take the n800 back and give me all my money back |
| 04:10.05 | kreig | he siad, "I'll get my product specialist" and the whole thing was resolved 8) |
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| 05:36.18 | Lloyd | what country has a nokia store? |
| 05:38.13 | rwhitby | Finland? |
| 05:38.13 | _Monkey | i guess Finland is closed in July due to holidays. Please come back later ;) |
| 05:38.31 | rwhitby | shut up _Monkey |
| 05:38.50 | Lloyd | heh |
| 05:39.03 | Lloyd | Canada doesn't have nokia stores. |
| 05:39.05 | Lloyd | just sony. |
| 05:39.28 | Lloyd | first charge to my nokia 770... how long should I charge it for? |
| 05:40.00 | `0660 | until the battery is full? :) |
| 05:40.05 | rwhitby | didn't it say in the manual? |
| 05:41.01 | Lloyd | seriously... who looks at manuals? :) I probably should... but I haven't |
| 05:41.26 | rwhitby | well, it's something to do while you're waiting for the first charge to complete ... |
| 05:41.45 | `0660 | i did |
| 05:42.25 | Lloyd | hahaha |
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| 05:59.09 | Abulafia | god damn that took forever |
| 05:59.47 | Luria | put dd-wrt on my router |
| 06:00.00 | Luria | thank god for open aps in the area... |
| 06:00.11 | Blacksitox | bye |
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| 06:21.42 | Lloyd | noooooooooo! dd-wrt violates GPL |
| 06:22.05 | Lloyd | try x-wrt.org see #x-wrt |
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| 06:27.46 | Monkulus | Lloyd, if not, what? |
| 06:28.15 | Lloyd | ? |
| 06:28.25 | Monkulus | oh sorry |
| 06:28.38 | Luria_ | not dd-wrt |
| 06:30.42 | Luria_ | guess he needed a better router |
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| 08:00.19 | Lynoure | hi, does anyone know a place where I could get dropbear for n770? I've tried three different sites, all no longer there |
| 08:00.41 | Lynoure | Other non-root requiring ssh-clients are also ok. |
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| 08:04.10 | soolek | http://maemo-hackers.org/apt/pool/main/d/dropbear/ |
| 08:04.41 | soolek | add repository in app manager http://maemo-hackers.org/apt/ mistral main |
| 08:05.40 | soolek | and install dropbear using app manager |
| 08:07.38 | Lynoure | ok, I'll try that |
| 08:09.38 | Lynoure | app manager is something else than Application installer? |
| 08:09.56 | Lynoure | (sorry, I'm all new to this device) |
| 08:10.10 | soolek | tools -> application manager |
| 08:10.19 | soolek | in n770 menu |
| 08:11.10 | soolek | then inside app manager choose tools menu -> application catalogue -> new |
| 08:11.21 | Lynoure | I don't have tools in that menu. Utilities, Control panel, Extras etc but no Tools |
| 08:12.20 | soolek | how come:) it must be here |
| 08:13.17 | Lynoure | This could be quite early version... nokia's gift to a dd. |
| 08:13.23 | soolek | which software version do you have? -> control panel -> device -> about product |
| 08:14.38 | Lynoure | 1.2005.42-9 |
| 08:15.33 | soolek | yes, that's the reason |
| 08:16.07 | soolek | the newest OS version fot 770 is 3.2006.49-2 |
| 08:16.44 | soolek | I suggest you first to flash your nokia to the newest os version |
| 08:16.54 | Lynoure | There is a way to upgrade the OS, I bet? Though I think I need to ask liw first |
| 08:16.59 | soolek | there's hardly any new software for the os2005 release |
| 08:17.43 | Lynoure | I'm just borrowing this babe, it's not mine (though I'll get either N770 or N800) |
| 08:18.23 | Lynoure | Is the OS upgrade easy and safe? |
| 08:18.41 | soolek | yes |
| 08:18.57 | Lynoure | I'll still ask the owner first, but that will help me sell the idea to him |
| 08:18.59 | soolek | just make sure you have a battery fully charged |
| 08:20.46 | Lynoure | ok, looks easy enough based on http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux |
| 08:20.58 | disq | morning |
| 08:20.59 | _Monkey | aloha |
| 08:21.28 | Luria_ | anyone know how to decompile a vkb? |
| 08:23.21 | soolek | Lynoure you can update from windows http://europe.nokia.com/A4144790 (there's a link to the updater) or you can also do it using a linux flasher |
| 08:23.38 | Lynoure | soolek: I prefer not to use Windows if I can avoid it |
| 08:24.03 | soolek | I assumed that, but just wanted to let you know :) |
| 08:24.07 | Lynoure | That's why I'm drooling at this device and not some WindowsCE :) |
| 08:24.47 | soolek | I have both I like n700 more, but there's much much more software for windows ce |
| 08:24.55 | soolek | n770 |
| 08:26.30 | Lynoure | I am expecting compiling most debian things for this is not impossible if I really miss something. Could be a bit optimistic, though, but I mostly want it for reading pdf, feeds and checking email |
| 08:27.26 | soolek | Lynoure once you reflash to the new os have a try my sources.list http://akson.sgh.waw.pl/~gs20787/n770/sources.list |
| 08:27.55 | soolek | there's a lot of usefule software already compiled |
| 08:30.54 | soolek | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/applicationcatalog2006/ |
| 08:30.56 | Lynoure | soolek: thank you for the link |
| 08:31.45 | soolek | no problem |
| 08:35.38 | Jaffa | Lynoure: porting debian packages is easier with mud (IMNSHO): http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 08:39.01 | Lynoure | Jaffa: thanks. I'm hoping it will never come to that (too busy with interesting things already to start yet another interesting thing) |
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| 08:39.57 | Rocketman | Does anyone know where I can get replacement stylii for the N800? My n800 "slipped" from the slip case and the stylus appears to have disappeared into the nether regions of my bedroom |
| 08:41.12 | Rocketman | I've heard they are listed on some of the European Nokia online stores, but I can't find it in the US store anywhere |
| 08:41.47 | Lynoure | Rocketman: if that happens to be so, I can get them here in Europe and send to you |
| 08:42.27 | Rocketman | Can you buy them where you are at? |
| 08:42.58 | Lynoure | I live in Finland, so if one can order them somewhere, this ought to be that somewhere |
| 08:43.26 | Rocketman | hehe, yeah just barge into Nokia's build and demand some stylii! |
| 08:43.46 | Rocketman | If that doesn't work, nothing will |
| 08:43.48 | Lynoure | http://direct.nokia.com/Product.aspx?model=StylusN800&u=/Product.aspx?model=StylusN800 |
| 08:44.19 | Rocketman | Don't worry, it's not serious, but it looks like the page you've requested isn't available. |
| 08:44.45 | Rocketman | Try using our search to find what you were looking for: |
| 08:44.45 | Rocketman | Or you can click on one of the links below to go to our home page or the last page you were looking at. |
| 08:44.45 | Lynoure | Rocketman: I go into one Nokia building occasionally (Toastmasters meet there) =) but a webshop will prolly be the way |
| 08:44.45 | Lynoure | below? |
| 08:44.56 | Rocketman | I basically get an item not found message if I try that item on the US store |
| 08:45.10 | Lynoure | The Finnish one has them |
| 08:45.37 | Lynoure | €12.19 for three + delivery. |
| 08:45.49 | Rocketman | Well, if you can get them I will gladly reimburse you. Can you take paypal? |
| 08:46.36 | Lynoure | Rocketman: I think I'd rather take IOU until I find something that only ships to USA =) |
| 08:47.49 | Lynoure | gah, the whole webshop seems broken :( |
| 08:48.34 | Lynoure | It does not let stuff to be added into the basket |
| 08:48.54 | Rocketman | I think battering down Nokia's doors sounds like the right approach |
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| 08:49.56 | gla55_ | some forum nokia downloads are offline too |
| 08:51.35 | Rocketman | Lynoure, got an im account on aim or icq? |
| 08:52.12 | Rocketman | pming through the server isn't working, as it appears to be blocked for "unregistered" users |
| 08:52.31 | Rocketman | apparently due to bot spam |
| 08:52.48 | Rocketman | Hear that _Monkey? My server doesn't like bots |
| 08:52.52 | Lynoure | Rocketman: oh, no, I don't use IM at all. but you can message me on otfc or ircnet too |
| 08:53.01 | Rocketman | specially not _Monkey bots |
| 08:53.58 | Lynoure | I don't seem to be able to find a way they'd actually sell stylus on the webstore, but I can call them and ask (assuming you have called them and asked at your end and gotten a "no, we don't have them for you") |
| 08:54.04 | Rocketman | Anyways, Lynoure, I am happy to ship something from the states to you if you can't get it there |
| 08:54.33 | Rocketman | I will try to call them on Monday and if I don't get a better answer than 404, I will let you know |
| 08:54.48 | Rocketman | I've found Nokia's post sale support to be pretty much innept |
| 08:55.13 | Rocketman | For Christ's sake, I want to give them money for a couple plastic sticks! |
| 08:55.15 | Lynoure | Rocketman: I messaged you my email address, too. |
| 08:55.21 | Lynoure | :) |
| 08:55.55 | Lynoure | You could go for stylys-pens. Different, but many like them, and available globally |
| 08:56.12 | Rocketman | I have plenty of stylii around |
| 08:56.38 | Rocketman | I have been using PDA's and the like since before 99% of the populace knew what one was |
| 08:57.07 | Lynoure | I have only since 1999 |
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| 08:58.07 | Lynoure | Gone now, email me how it went. |
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| 13:54.53 | timeless | is anyone here alive? |
| 13:56.39 | sully | hit me |
| 13:57.35 | timeless | people keep complaining about "MicroB" being "selected' in the "Set Engine" menu |
| 13:58.01 | timeless | is that because they don't understand that the blue "selection" is always assigned to the first _enabled_ menu item when you open a submenu? |
| 13:58.13 | timeless | and has absolutely nothing to do with anything else.... |
| 14:02.47 | sully | That's way beyond my knowledge, sorry :) |
| 14:03.21 | timeless | well, it's certainly hard for me to expect you to understand how each n800 user thinks |
| 14:03.35 | timeless | is it at least plausible? |
| 14:03.50 | timeless | have you read any comments were people make that statement? |
| 14:03.53 | sully | Unfortunately I'm a 770 user; is this still relevant? |
| 14:03.59 | timeless | heh |
| 14:04.00 | sully | no, I've not come across that |
| 14:04.13 | timeless | there should be a version for you this week |
| 14:06.42 | disq | that's good news :) |
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| 14:07.40 | sully | Just looked it up; very good news! |
| 14:08.11 | timeless | consider: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=62523&postcount=163 |
| 14:08.50 | timeless | i think the problem is that people don't understand how menus work |
| 14:08.58 | timeless | they also don't understand English |
| 14:09.03 | timeless | which doesn't help matters, but hey... |
| 14:09.19 | disq | : |
| 14:09.19 | sully | hehe |
| 14:09.19 | disq | :) |
| 14:09.46 | disq | "Only the direct edit to .browser file will do" |
| 14:09.50 | timeless | a menu labeled "Set Engine" would never have a checkbox |
| 14:09.52 | disq | are you sure he's misunderstanding the menus |
| 14:10.00 | timeless | i'm fairly certain, but i'm asking |
| 14:10.09 | timeless | because i'm not possitive |
| 14:11.00 | timeless | disq/sully: you have some application on your nokia770/nokia n800, right? |
| 14:11.13 | disq | what would you like me to test :P |
| 14:11.18 | disq | i got both devices |
| 14:11.42 | timeless | try notes? |
| 14:12.18 | timeless | tap the app menu |
| 14:12.19 | disq | i could try microb, but ok :P |
| 14:12.24 | timeless | tap the note menu |
| 14:12.46 | disq | Format->Alignment has optionbuttons btw |
| 14:12.50 | timeless | in the theme i'm using on my 770, the "new" menu |
| 14:12.52 | timeless | disq: yes |
| 14:12.59 | timeless | but it's not called Format>Set Alignment |
| 14:13.08 | disq | on n800 it's Alignment |
| 14:13.09 | timeless | the 'Set' bit is *important* |
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| 14:13.39 | timeless | right, nokia is thankfully not stupid enough to use 'Set' in a menu parenting a radio item |
| 14:13.48 | disq | it's also "Alignment" in n770. UK locale i think, not sure maybe US |
| 14:14.00 | timeless | right, the localizers are thankfully consistent here |
| 14:14.05 | timeless | and not that bad |
| 14:14.11 | timeless | this menu wasn't designed by a localizer |
| 14:14.14 | sully | yep, Alignment on the US locale of the 770 |
| 14:14.21 | timeless | it was designed at the last minute by an engineer |
| 14:14.29 | timeless | but it too isn't "Wrong" it follows English rules |
| 14:14.45 | timeless | "Set Engine" means no radio marks for the children |
| 14:14.50 | disq | ah. the menu in microb hasthe "Set" prefix |
| 14:14.52 | disq | now i get it |
| 14:14.53 | timeless | "Engine" alone would imply radio marks for the children |
| 14:14.58 | timeless | good :) |
| 14:15.17 | disq | so, any chance to fix the browser, remove set, add optionbuttons? |
| 14:15.26 | timeless | that's what we're going to do |
| 14:16.07 | timeless | minor problem though... we need to actually enumerate engines to do that |
| 14:16.14 | timeless | right now, the list is hard coded |
| 14:16.18 | disq | ah |
| 14:16.28 | disq | would take longer to fix :) |
| 14:16.28 | timeless | so imagine you're using Engine=thrbt |
| 14:16.33 | timeless | yes |
| 14:16.41 | timeless | well, if i switch this to use radios |
| 14:16.49 | timeless | and the item you're using isn't in the list, *then* what? |
| 14:16.51 | timeless | and worse |
| 14:16.55 | timeless | if you *pick* something |
| 14:17.00 | timeless | and we don't switch *now* |
| 14:17.06 | timeless | what the heck do i show in the menu? |
| 14:17.12 | timeless | what you're using, or what you're going to use? |
| 14:17.47 | disq | a (Latched) suffix? not sure? |
| 14:17.55 | disq | that's a big problem |
| 14:18.04 | disq | ok then, go easy |
| 14:18.06 | disq | keep the set |
| 14:18.10 | timeless | that's the bigger reason for me not to change it |
| 14:18.17 | timeless | until i can solve that, anything else is worse |
| 14:18.17 | disq | add an insensitive "Current: <engine>" item at the top |
| 14:18.28 | timeless | hrm |
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| 14:18.53 | timeless | could i ditch current and just have the top item be checked w/ a seperator? |
| 14:18.58 | timeless | .... |
| 14:19.04 | timeless | Set Engine> [/] Opera |
| 14:19.23 | disq | mmm |
| 14:19.24 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:19.29 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:19.32 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:19.42 | timeless | i'm not quite sure that'll work though |
| 14:19.48 | disq | yeah |
| 14:19.53 | timeless | people will still not understand what's going to happen when the restart |
| 14:20.07 | disq | an insensitive checked checkbox? or a check icon, whatever.. will be confusing |
| 14:20.09 | timeless | i think i'll just right a release note explaining what the menu does and does not do |
| 14:20.30 | timeless | Engine>Current>Opera |
| 14:20.50 | timeless | Engine>Next Launch>[/]Micro |
| 14:20.53 | disq | or.. just.. add a " (current)" suffix? |
| 14:20.55 | Blacksitox | hi |
| 14:20.57 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:21.05 | timeless | current doesn't solve the problem |
| 14:21.07 | disq | that's better but it's too much clutter :) |
| 14:21.19 | disq | also, open tabs in background? where is it :P |
| 14:21.21 | timeless | we should have just not included the menu |
| 14:21.42 | disq | maybe, but it's handy |
| 14:21.56 | disq | (i would still prefer seperate windows for opera and ff engines though) |
| 14:22.08 | timeless | you're greedy |
| 14:22.13 | disq | well. i am |
| 14:22.13 | timeless | even QNX didn't manage that one |
| 14:22.23 | timeless | it's a standard "feature" of integrated interchangable engines |
| 14:22.31 | timeless | however, i'm not actually certain you can't do it |
| 14:22.46 | timeless | i seem to recall even in QNX you /could/ run a different engine for a different app |
| 14:23.06 | disq | i only used the free 1.44meg floppy version of qnx |
| 14:23.30 | disq | then went back to my OS/2 Warp 3.0 :P |
| 14:23.35 | timeless | heh |
| 14:23.53 | disq | OS2 was fun |
| 14:23.56 | timeless | i switched between QNX6.0, BeOS5, OS/2 Wrap 4.0 |
| 14:24.21 | timeless | oh, w/ Solaris 8 thrown in for good measure |
| 14:24.56 | disq | BeOS.. i remember beos.. it had funny colors i think |
| 14:25.17 | timeless | Nokia colors are funnier |
| 14:25.27 | timeless | although it's true the default was yellow |
| 14:25.34 | timeless | but one of nokia's defaults was orange |
| 14:25.36 | timeless | another was red |
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| 14:26.50 | disq | it2006 colors? yeah. i liked orange until n800 came along with the black (adria?) theme |
| 14:27.13 | disq | i also love the music in n770 spotlight video |
| 14:27.35 | sully | LCARS theme > * |
| 14:28.26 | disq | http://europe.nokia.com/A4145106 this video :) |
| 14:28.48 | timeless | i hope it doesn't require flash |
| 14:28.57 | timeless | oh wait, it's nokia.com, who am i kidding? |
| 14:29.08 | sully | oh the irony |
| 14:29.18 | timeless | oh, it's ok, i'm saved by the fact that my dns doesn't work for *.nokia.com :) |
| 14:29.27 | timeless | i'm a browser engineer, i hate flash |
| 14:29.41 | disq | yeah. and the banners |
| 14:29.47 | timeless | oh, and btw, whoever claims the nokia maemo flash 9 impl is complete is smoking something |
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| 14:29.59 | timeless | there's unfortunately only one reference in ITT that i've found to the countrary |
| 14:30.04 | timeless | but i predicted it |
| 14:30.13 | timeless | and told people internally before they wrote that bs announcement |
| 14:30.41 | timeless | well, actually, we removed that page from the browser announcement :) |
| 14:30.41 | disq | i still have flash disabled in my n800 browser |
| 14:31.22 | timeless | it's disabled in my 770 here :) |
| 14:31.37 | timeless | i actually added flash to my firefox earlier to try to view a video stream from some blog |
| 14:31.43 | timeless | i couldn't find the video ;(~ |
| 14:31.48 | disq | if the flash threads could be reniced then i would consider enabling it |
| 14:31.55 | disq | but default priority is too high |
| 14:31.57 | timeless | it runs in process |
| 14:32.08 | timeless | which means browser is also blamed for their crashes |
| 14:32.14 | timeless | and memory behavior and ... |
| 14:32.43 | disq | need embedded mplayer flash replacement |
| 14:32.55 | disq | though i think mplayer's only good for flv |
| 14:33.37 | disq | btw, i don't think flash banners can be fixed |
| 14:33.44 | timeless | ? |
| 14:33.53 | disq | they just suck up the resources |
| 14:34.02 | timeless | i use noscript on my firefoxes |
| 14:34.54 | disq | there are some banners even opera/ffox on a regular pc can't handle (mouse pointer goes away.. or it updates the canvas so frequently that textarea i-beam flashes faster) |
| 14:38.22 | timeless | ok, i'm confused |
| 14:38.29 | timeless | i really can't reach europe.nokia.com |
| 14:38.39 | timeless | if you do a dnslookup, what do you get? |
| 14:38.48 | disq | 147.243.3.83 |
| 14:38.55 | timeless | same here |
| 14:39.08 | timeless | i presume you can reach tat? |
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| 14:39.17 | disq | are you in the corporote LAN? i can reach it |
| 14:39.30 | disq | (or corporate, even) |
| 14:39.46 | timeless | my laptop is *normally* in it, yes |
| 14:40.08 | disq | it's not now? and won't work? that's weird |
| 14:40.13 | disq | arp cache? |
| 14:40.15 | timeless | but i only have 192, 127, 169, addresses |
| 14:40.20 | timeless | arp's my guess |
| 14:40.23 | timeless | but i don't really speak arp |
| 14:40.35 | disq | just clear/flush the arp table :) |
| 14:40.39 | timeless | >arp -a |
| 14:40.43 | timeless | Interface: 192.168.255.3 --- 0x3 |
| 14:40.43 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:40.43 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:40.45 | timeless | -- |
| 14:40.55 | disq | though i think it only.. yeah.. |
| 14:41.00 | disq | i was going to say that. :) |
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| 14:41.06 | timeless | >? |
| 14:41.11 | disq | $? |
| 14:41.13 | disq | :P |
| 14:41.28 | disq | have you tried a traceroute? |
| 14:41.34 | timeless | yes |
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| 14:41.58 | timeless | >tracert -d 147.243.3.83 |
| 14:42.04 | timeless | Tracing route to 147.243.3.83 over a maximum of 30 hops |
| 14:42.05 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:42.41 | timeless | >tracert -d www.mozilla.org |
| 14:42.46 | timeless | Tracing route to www-mozilla-org.glb.mozilla.com [63.245.213.14] |
| 14:42.46 | timeless | over a maximum of 30 hops: |
| 14:42.47 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:42.48 | timeless | .... |
| 14:42.49 | disq | you could try restarting the gateway |
| 14:43.00 | timeless | ? |
| 14:43.08 | disq | modem, ap, whatever |
| 14:43.09 | timeless | gateway = router? that works fine for e.g. morg |
| 14:43.16 | disq | agh. |
| 14:43.23 | disq | no more ideas :/ |
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| 14:45.18 | Emh5945 | I need help with pidgin on my n770 |
| 14:46.37 | Emh5945 | Please, somebody? |
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| 15:01.57 | pupnik_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:44.59 | Blacksitox | traductor english to spanish for n800 ? |
| 15:45.32 | timeless | google |
| 15:45.33 | _Monkey | i guess google is my friend |
| 15:46.26 | disq | _Monkey: lol |
| 15:46.26 | _Monkey | disq: sorry... |
| 15:46.33 | disq | _Monkey: don't forget google |
| 15:46.33 | _Monkey | disq: what? |
| 15:46.40 | timeless | _monkey lol is <reply> |
| 15:46.41 | _Monkey | OK, timeless. |
| 15:47.02 | pupnik_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Machine_Translation_software |
| 15:47.10 | Blacksitox | timeless, one application, |
| 15:47.26 | timeless | google does translation... |
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| 15:58.16 | Abulafia | timeless, still there? |
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| 16:13.27 | mk8 | Hi to all .... sorry for my silly question (and for my bad english of course ... :( ) about 2 mounth ago someone told me that a new relese on OS for N800 will be relased and this version broke the API compatilibty but align all the library used to the last available. My information is correct? And if true this version is the last that it is released at the beginning of august? |
| 16:15.48 | Luria | its sorta true |
| 16:15.56 | sparr | won a tablet at auction |
| 16:16.04 | sparr | but i cant really afford to keep it :( |
| 16:16.07 | sparr | gonna end up having to sell it |
| 16:16.27 | Luria | there was an alpha sdk release for maemo 4 earlier this month |
| 16:16.56 | Luria | mk8, google "chinook n800" |
| 16:18.02 | Luria | some parts of chinook have been released as beta (micrb, rtcomm) but as yet, it isnt really out |
| 16:19.16 | mk8 | Ok Luria, so this version will be an major version upgrade of the OS |
| 16:19.24 | Luria | yes |
| 16:19.36 | mk8 | you know when this OS will be out? |
| 16:19.50 | Luria | plus switch to a packaging, and not a flash, upgrade system |
| 16:19.52 | Luria | no idea |
| 16:20.27 | mk8 | the N800 hardware must be upgrade? |
| 16:20.59 | Luria | new versions of maemo in the past required flashing and thus clearing the system |
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| 16:21.25 | Luria | no they are using a desktop (downloading packages) approach |
| 16:21.49 | Luria | as a guess tho, since 3.2 was out in july, i wouldnt expect the new maemo 'til fall |
| 16:22.25 | Luria | there is at *least* one more major firmware update confirmed after that |
| 16:22.30 | mk8 | as usual, I just update to the 2007.26-8 version |
| 16:22.48 | sparr | so upgrade on new n800 firmware will be a simple apt-get dist-upgrade? :) |
| 16:23.28 | Luria | thats the idea, supposedly |
| 16:23.54 | Luria | one sec |
| 16:23.57 | Luria | brb |
| 16:24.19 | mk8 | no sparr ... in the other case you must download the image and install on the N800 .... obviously you lost all the data and the application. |
| 16:24.32 | mk8 | For the data you can use the backup utility |
| 16:24.48 | mk8 | but for the application you must redownload and reinstall again |
| 16:26.40 | sparr | mk8: i think that luria is saying that way is going away |
| 16:26.55 | disq | no. the next firmware (4.0) will be flashed. updates to 4.0 are planned to use the dist-upgrade method |
| 16:27.00 | sparr | which is a good thing... there is no reason to require a reflash with a debian-based device |
| 16:27.14 | Luria | im sorry, i should have been clearer |
| 16:27.16 | sparr | i can only dream that they will stop ignoring the 770 long enough to backport SOME of that |
| 16:27.28 | Luria | disq is correct |
| 16:27.36 | Luria | meh, just ordered a 770 |
| 16:28.01 | disq | sparr: afaik a new release of the os2007on770 is around the corner |
| 16:28.22 | mk8 | disq: in the 3.2 version I must use the flasher utility. If for the 4.0 version I can use apt-get I'm happy ... :) |
| 16:28.49 | disq | you won't be able to dist-upgrade from 3.2 to 4.0, sorry |
| 16:29.50 | kreig | is dropbear-server the recc. way to get a ssh server running on my n800? |
| 16:30.52 | sparr | kreig: i prefer openssh for feature completeness |
| 16:30.57 | disq | you can install dropbear-server or openssh (apt-get install ssh) they both work |
| 16:31.00 | disq | i use openssh too |
| 16:31.20 | kreig | ok, I prefer openssh as well |
| 16:31.37 | kreig | I'm not familiar with these smaller devices |
| 16:31.55 | kreig | so I didn't know if I needed to be running stripped down versions of alot of stuff |
| 16:38.56 | kreig | oh man |
| 16:38.56 | kreig | so nice |
| 16:38.56 | kreig | is there a version of xterm that is optimized for input on this device? |
| 16:38.56 | kreig | being able to do "up arrow" or alt-p would be nice |
| 16:38.56 | mk8 | I use osso-xterm that work fine |
| 16:38.57 | disq | xterm? |
| 16:38.57 | _Monkey | xterm is the enhanced version of osso-xterm from maemo-hackers. It adds font and color selection support, URL opening through context menu, and a sidebar with additional keys such as Ctrl+letters. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/osso-xterm-advanced or http://dastych.sh.cvut.cz/~jtra/download/maemo/xterm/debs/ for an alternate onscreen keyboard |
| 16:38.57 | disq | good _Monkey |
| 16:38.57 | kreig | sweet |
| 16:38.57 | pupnik_ | _Monkey: openlogos is a language translator http://logos-os.dfki.de/#mozTocId415559 |
| 16:38.57 | _Monkey | OK, pupnik_. |
| 16:38.57 | disq | just navigate to maemo-hackers.org though it's easier to tap-type :P |
| 16:38.57 | kreig | I hae got a good grip on the hadwriting input, but xterm don't like that |
| 16:38.57 | pupnik_ | krieg, use the dpad for up-arrow |
| 16:38.57 | kreig | doh! |
| 16:38.57 | pupnik_ | hehe |
| 16:38.57 | disq | ah, that too. |
| 16:40.10 | kreig | apt-get install wireless-tool; drool |
| 16:40.53 | kreig | i remember hacking debian packges in like 1998 |
| 16:40.53 | kreig | now it's on this little tiny machine, instead of the Sun ultra 1E |
| 16:45.55 | sparr | kreig: http://dastych.sh.cvut.cz/~jtra/download/maemo/xterm/xterm-screenshot-1.png |
| 16:46.15 | sparr | ive switched to that xterm so i can have ctrl and alt and such |
| 16:46.25 | sparr | also so i can have a larger terminal |
| 16:46.51 | kreig | dude |
| 16:46.54 | kreig | erc in emacs |
| 16:47.04 | kreig | you run that normally on your n800? |
| 16:47.19 | kreig | that is my usual env on my desktop |
| 16:47.28 | kreig | what I am in now 8) |
| 16:48.39 | sparr | n770 |
| 16:48.53 | kreig | yah, just saw, it is for 2006 os and n770 |
| 16:49.03 | kreig | I am not fmailiar with how much compatability I should expect |
| 16:49.06 | sparr | almost anything for 2006 will run on 2007 |
| 16:49.13 | kreig | i am running n800 and 4.2007 |
| 16:49.15 | sparr | some things for 2007 will run on 2006 |
| 16:49.26 | kreig | that's kesl |
| 16:49.28 | kreig | kewl |
| 16:49.43 | kreig | i guess libc and all the core shit has been stable for awhile |
| 16:49.47 | sparr | i hate developers who make packages that Depend on things they dont really need. i keep downloading debian armel packages that "Depend" on libc6 2.5.5 and wont install because we have 2.3.5... and they work just fine |
| 16:50.16 | kreig | they must be using a debhelper and now hand-checking the deps |
| 16:50.41 | sparr | ive actually got dummy equivs packages on my 770 to provide libc6 2.5.5 and debianutils and coreutils |
| 16:50.50 | sparr | and a handful of other things |
| 16:52.24 | kreig | I need another AP in my house |
| 16:53.21 | sparr | i need an ap in my car with a clearwire antenna :) |
| 16:53.30 | sparr | i could almost get rid of my cell phone |
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| 16:53.40 | sparr | im in range of my car over 95% of the time |
| 16:54.44 | kreig | wow, I am totally floored |
| 16:56.23 | sparr | ? |
| 16:58.38 | kreig | the xterm with the kbd overlay |
| 16:58.50 | kreig | and the fact that this is a little debian box |
| 16:59.38 | sparr | heh |
| 16:59.45 | sparr | i encountered a guy with a sony mylo the other day |
| 16:59.48 | sully | Neat isn't it? |
| 16:59.49 | mk8 | I go out .... syl |
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| 16:59.58 | sparr | they have a slicker GUI... but i put his "runs on linux" to shame with my xterm and apt-get |
| 17:00.08 | sparr | id kill for the mylo's keyboard though |
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| 17:00.53 | sparr | there are so many handheld devices in the $100-$150 range that have decent dev/poweruser/hacker communities |
| 17:01.02 | sparr | why wont one company make a single awesome $200 handheld? |
| 17:01.17 | kreig | it'll take awhile to figure out what it what |
| 17:01.39 | sparr | touch screen, slide/flip/fold thumbkeyboard, respectable d-pad, buttons on BOTH SIDES, at least one SD slot |
| 17:01.47 | sparr | this isnt rocket science |
| 17:02.21 | kreig | oh, form, yah, seems reasonable |
| 17:02.26 | disq | anybody else having problems with OGG support in n800? i installed the package(s) but it (it being osso media player/server) still won't play |
| 17:02.32 | sparr | disq: reboot |
| 17:02.36 | disq | did reboot |
| 17:02.40 | sparr | oh :( |
| 17:02.47 | sparr | beats me then |
| 17:02.49 | sully | 320x240 resoltunion on the Mylo |
| 17:03.02 | sully | holy typo |
| 17:03.06 | sparr | sully: i could live with 320x240 if a device got everything else right |
| 17:03.16 | sully | Agreed, but it'd make web surfing difficult |
| 17:03.23 | sparr | disagree. |
| 17:03.34 | kreig | for me the screen res is essential |
| 17:03.44 | kreig | I am already suffering enough from monitors |
| 17:03.55 | kreig | I don't want to go blind any faster than I am now 8) |
| 17:03.55 | sparr | a GOOD 6pt font on a screen with large pixels can cram a crapload of text onto a low resolution |
| 17:04.01 | kulve | disq: the built-in player doesn't support ogg (afaik) |
| 17:04.05 | pupnik_ | disq i remember seeing something about MIME settings? i may be thinking of the wrong thing |
| 17:04.09 | pupnik_ | ah |
| 17:04.09 | sparr | i had no problem surfing the web on my asus pda, with 240x320 resolution |
| 17:04.19 | sully | Need that touchscreen too |
| 17:04.20 | pupnik_ | feh |
| 17:04.25 | sparr | yeah, touchscreen is a must |
| 17:04.26 | disq | osso-media-server won't play ogg (launched via dbus) either |
| 17:04.38 | disq | same code works fine on 770 with mogg |
| 17:04.38 | sully | The HTC TyTn comes very very close to me |
| 17:04.41 | sparr | the only thing about the mylo that i envy is the keyboard and the sd slot |
| 17:04.46 | sparr | relative to the 770 |
| 17:04.53 | disq | (in mogg's case, ogg length is not reported with the get_position call, but that's another story) |
| 17:05.12 | sparr | disq: i noticed the position lacking in kagu... was gonna mention it :) |
| 17:05.12 | sully | HTC TyTn: Touchscreen, QWERTY, Wifi, cell phone, but unfortunately no GPS |
| 17:05.20 | sully | And, well, Windows Mobile 5 needs work |
| 17:05.33 | sparr | cell phone is a maybe for me. if they can cram it in cheap, sure. |
| 17:05.47 | sully | It's nice when we don't have Wifi spread out all over |
| 17:05.52 | kreig | i got a new cellphone yesterday that I can use DUN thru |
| 17:05.54 | sparr | so far id rather have my cell phone in the other pocket |
| 17:06.07 | kreig | but I haven't got it working yet |
| 17:06.13 | sparr | and have a single handheld for everything else |
| 17:06.27 | kreig | unfortunaely, it keeps asking for confirmation whenever I wanna DUN pair |
| 17:06.27 | sparr | cell phone + camera, pda + games + web |
| 17:06.28 | disq | sparr: i managed to get the current position working, but it won't seek without knowing the length of the track |
| 17:06.35 | kreig | I would like it to work with the cellphone in my backpack |
| 17:06.42 | sparr | disq: interesting. happy/sorry to have inspired the attempt :) |
| 17:07.15 | sully | Maybe I'll get an 800 at some point |
| 17:07.28 | sully | The 770 with the MMC card boot and kernel hack for speed is pretty good for now |
| 17:07.50 | kreig | if only my camera did bluetooth 8) |
| 17:08.23 | sully | Right now I've got to get people at work to try to set up IP over DNS |
| 17:09.07 | sparr | kernel hack for speed? link |
| 17:09.30 | sully | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7342 |
| 17:10.07 | sully | I followed weezedog's instructions |
| 17:10.36 | sully | oh, make damn sure your card supports the higher speeds |
| 17:10.46 | sully | Kingston 2GB card here does |
| 17:15.23 | kreig | is there a recc. 8 gig card? |
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| 17:18.50 | disq | so, anybody up for designing a teletubbies theme on the n800? *cracks whip* |
| 17:20.43 | trevarthan | Yeah, does anyone here have OGG working on the n800? |
| 17:21.01 | disq | teletubbies theme is more important |
| 17:22.09 | sparr | sully: damn. im not flashing again, hope someone packages that |
| 17:22.58 | trevarthan | teletubbies theme? Are you mad? |
| 17:23.12 | pupnik_ | otherwise known as Windows XP theme |
| 17:23.46 | disq | of course we'll need emulated teletubby sounds and soundeffects since we can't use the bbc ones |
| 17:23.56 | trevarthan | Po! |
| 17:24.24 | disq | vacuumcleaner! scaryphone! |
| 17:25.00 | kreig | haha! |
| 17:25.22 | kreig | took over my screen sess from my n800 |
| 17:25.53 | pupnik_ | i'd like to see 770s/800s in hospitals for ppl to surf the web from bed |
| 17:25.55 | kreig | are my words realy small now? |
| 17:26.02 | disq | pupnik_: somebody actually blogged about it.. or a forum post in ITT i think. last year or so |
| 17:26.11 | trevarthan | kreig: no. IRC doesn't have font support. |
| 17:26.51 | kreig | i could be in the loo and you would never know! |
| 17:27.13 | trevarthan | I'm naked. |
| 17:27.16 | sparr | i use my 770 on the toilet :) |
| 17:27.17 | trevarthan | (not really) |
| 17:27.21 | sparr | for reading and surfing and irc |
| 17:27.41 | disq | i stress-test kagu on the toilet all the time (well.. i should choose my words carefully) |
| 17:28.04 | sparr | kagu vs canola... |
| 17:28.06 | sparr | open source, not |
| 17:28.10 | sparr | album covers, not |
| 17:28.23 | sparr | ..., decent volume and seek control |
| 17:28.28 | disq | lol |
| 17:28.30 | sparr | :( |
| 17:28.31 | kreig | which isnot open? |
| 17:28.35 | sparr | kreig: canola |
| 17:28.36 | _Monkey | well, canola is just even more worthless with shared forlders than the mplayer frontend |
| 17:28.41 | sparr | ..., upnp support |
| 17:28.43 | trevarthan | sparr: stop bitching and code it yourself. |
| 17:28.53 | sparr | trevarthan: working on it :-p |
| 17:29.03 | trevarthan | we just closed 17 tickets yesterday. :) no way I've had time to do the volume stuff. |
| 17:29.04 | sparr | me and pygame are becoming intimately acquainted |
| 17:29.23 | sparr | considering doing pyweek (poorly) |
| 17:29.23 | trevarthan | yeah. it's got a learning curve. |
| 17:29.33 | disq | upnp support in canola is not bad, but mediastreamer rocks about that. hope they don't fubar it up like they did with the n770's default media player |
| 17:29.33 | kreig | so do i have to run as user? |
| 17:29.49 | trevarthan | kreig: yes |
| 17:30.04 | sparr | kreig: running things as root is a bad idea, because some developers who shall remain nameless do not consider that you might run them that way :-p |
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| 17:30.18 | sparr | disq: i agree, mediastreamer is my upnp client of choice |
| 17:30.21 | trevarthan | I have zero interest in Upnp because it never works for me. go figure. |
| 17:30.54 | sparr | i wonder if there is a upnpfs driver anywhere, to make it transparent to non-upnp apps |
| 17:30.56 | sparr | like smbfs |
| 17:30.56 | kreig | i meant could imake my own user account and replace "user" |
| 17:31.00 | sparr | kreig: no |
| 17:31.23 | sparr | kreig: Bad Things(TM) will happen where devs have hardcoded /home/user... |
| 17:32.22 | disq | i don't use it upnp much because wifi reception from the bedroom is poor on the opposite/empty side of the bed |
| 17:37.11 | kreig | woo |
| 17:37.29 | kreig | sshed into the little fucker |
| 17:40.47 | kreig | too kewl |
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| 18:17.48 | hashtx | someone had problem with intltool in scratchbox? |
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| 18:18.34 | hashtx | when i try to build a deb package it says that it's and old version but it's not |
| 18:23.37 | hashtx | configure: error: Your intltool is too old. You need intltool 0.23 or later. |
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| 18:35.05 | pupnik_ | what target hashtx? |
| 18:35.11 | pupnik_ | rather what os? |
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| 19:14.05 | Gorion1 | someone knows what links are essential inside sources.list in scratchbox |
| 19:14.05 | Gorion1 | ? |
| 19:15.45 | pupnik | that depends on what environment you have - gregale or bora |
| 19:16.37 | Gorion1 | bora |
| 19:17.12 | Gorion1 | i've installed scratchbox apophis with arm |
| 19:17.45 | pupnik | i think the essentials are already there |
| 19:17.53 | Gorion1 | but not by the script .. with the tarballs |
| 19:18.05 | pupnik | if you are missing a library, do a web search for *.deb + maemo |
| 19:18.48 | pupnik | i don't have bora here yet - still building with gregale (since i don't use much of the OS) |
| 19:19.36 | Gorion1 | i think it is deb http://repository.maemo.org/ bora free non-free |
| 19:20.09 | Gorion1 | but i'm not sure |
| 19:20.44 | Gorion1 | installing by the tarballs it comes with links to etch debian only |
| 19:22.03 | pupnik | afaik the sources.list is installed not by scratchbox tgzs but by the target OS rootfs |
| 19:23.55 | Gorion1 | but i have to install rootstrap? |
| 19:24.39 | Gorion1 | i ve skiped this |
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| 19:26.12 | pupnik | you need a maemo rootfs to build maemo apps |
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| 19:26.16 | pupnik | wb unique311 |
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| 19:27.04 | pupnik | scratchbox doesn't come with the target filesystem - you could install scratchbox and then build things for (i dunno exactly ) zaurus or other operating systems |
| 19:28.06 | unique311 | hello |
| 19:29.27 | keesj | hi |
| 19:29.52 | Gorion1 | but where i get a rootfs? ive installed a toolchain for arm .. i am logged in this target |
| 19:31.41 | Gorion1 | i have maemo-sdk-rootstrap_3.1_armel but i didn't installed in this target its necessary? |
| 19:32.34 | pupnik | i don't want to give incorrect advice - but afaik i installed the Maemo_Dev_Platform_rootfs_Nokia_Binaries |
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| 19:35.11 | keesj | Gorion1: it depends on what you want do do, in the 3.1 there are 3 part, sbox , the rootstrap, and the nokia binaries |
| 19:35.32 | keesj | I never had to install the binaries |
| 19:37.21 | keesj | with 3.2 I don't understand it any more, one of those components is gone the roofs? |
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| 19:39.26 | Gorion1 | keesj: i want to test applications for n700. i supose i need the maemo rootstrap in this case yes? |
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| 19:40.15 | jjo_ | Gorion1: you didn't ask me but yes |
| 19:40.32 | jjo_ | with scratchbox of course |
| 19:40.44 | lle2 | keesj: I think it tries some sort of apt-get upgrade thing, "automatically" |
| 19:41.01 | jjo_ | but actually 3.1 used scratchbox and had rootstraps, nokia binaries and rootfs |
| 19:41.22 | jjo_ | 3.2 has only repositories and nokia binaries |
| 19:41.53 | Gorion1 | the problem was that i've installed maemo3.1 by the sh script and then the 3.2.. but every time i was trying to build deb packages the stopped saying that intltool was too old.. and it was the lastest version |
| 19:41.54 | jjo_ | rootstraps are replaced by the upgrade process and rootfs was just plain dropped |
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| 19:42.18 | keesj | lle2: yes, it creates a list of supposed packages. |
| 19:43.17 | lle2 | keesj: makes it awful to try to test sb2 against it |
| 19:43.42 | Gorion1 | i see |
| 19:43.43 | keesj | jjo_: thanks for the info. |
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| 19:43.59 | lle2 | keesj: it requires sb1 + 3.1 rootstrap to get going, but the rootstrap basically lacks everything that apt-get needs to work |
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| 19:44.35 | Emh5945 | I need help with pidgin on my n770 |
| 19:44.43 | keesj | lle2: indeed, why not use the smae trick you used for running on the system itself , so determine the packages from a running device or is that to messy? |
| 19:45.36 | lle2 | keesj: sure, the target image would be useful, but it's not available as a tarball, fetching the contents from the jffs2 image is not trivial |
| 19:46.13 | lle2 | sb2 can't use host apt or dpkg for installing, unlike sb1 |
| 19:46.26 | lle2 | sb2 would need the buildroot to contain a working target apt and dpkg |
| 19:47.30 | lle2 | been asking for that for a few months now, maybe some day |
| 19:48.00 | Emh5945 | Can someone help me with pidgin on my n770 |
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| 19:49.02 | Gorion1 | lle2: how did you installed you environment. |
| 19:49.04 | Gorion1 | ? |
| 19:49.11 | erstazi | Emh5945, I personally prefer gaim on my n770 |
| 19:49.48 | Emh5945 | I have tried both, and pidgin used to work but it suddenely stopped working |
| 19:49.51 | keesj | lle2: I guess it would not be such a problem if you could "just" create your own |
| 19:49.55 | erstazi | Emh5945, but my suggestion is make sure you download and install the protocols that you need, the actual Pidgin app only comes with the container, you personally need to download and install the protocols |
| 19:50.18 | erstazi | Emh5945, ah it was working but now its not, any error messages? any warnings? |
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| 19:50.54 | lle2 | Gorion1: I've not used sb1 for many years now, so don't ask me :) |
| 19:50.56 | Emh5945 | I did install the prtocols, it was working fine then while i was using it it crashed and t no longer opens |
| 19:51.10 | erstazi | Emh5945, reinstall pidgin |
| 19:51.14 | erstazi | and the protocols |
| 19:51.30 | kupesoft | I'm thinking about getting the n800, but proper wireless injection stuff is *rather* important to me, since I do work in that field. I know the built-in 802.11 adaptor doesn't support it, but is there any reason I couldn't use a wireless USB dongle and compile my own drivers? |
| 19:51.42 | Emh5945 | I have reinstalled it three times along with the protocols |
| 19:51.57 | Gorion1 | i'am having a painfull error with intltool i removed and when i tried to reinstall it didnt find a package for it |
| 19:52.21 | keesj | Gorion1: what os are you running? |
| 19:52.31 | Gorion1 | ubuntu |
| 19:52.34 | lle2 | kupesoft: if your dongle can get its power from somewhere other than n800, then maybe. the host patches are experimental though |
| 19:53.20 | Gorion1 | but the error occurs inside scratchbox. it says that intltool is too old |
| 19:53.48 | kupesoft | lle2: Ah, it's powerless? |
| 19:54.11 | Gorion1 | i don't know if intltool already comes with sbox or with the rootstrap |
| 19:54.50 | lle2 | kupesoft: the battery gives use ~4V max, no way to really get meaningful 5V source |
| 19:55.06 | Emh5945 | I've already tried reinsalling it along with the protocalls |
| 19:55.23 | keesj | No, it's not powerless not on the n800 but it doe snot give much power |
| 19:55.45 | kupesoft | Do usb wireless dongles need more than 4V? |
| 19:56.17 | keesj | lle2: there was some charge pump but you are right I messured only 3,6 volt on the host |
| 19:57.55 | lle2 | Gorion1: I think the intltool comes from sb1 |
| 19:58.28 | lle2 | Gorion1: not at all sure though, but it would be the sb1 way |
| 19:59.26 | lle2 | Gorion1: you can maybe install your own intltool to /host_usr inside sb1, depends if it's worth the trouble |
| 19:59.59 | lle2 | Gorion1: use host-gcc to compile it if necessary |
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| 20:01.16 | Emh5945 | Help with pidgin on n770 PLEASE |
| 20:01.31 | kupesoft | what wireless driver does the n800 use? |
| 20:01.34 | kupesoft | Or is it proprietary? |
| 20:02.04 | Gorion1 | lle2: thanks ill try it |
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| 20:03.18 | amr | Emh5945, whats up |
| 20:03.50 | Gorion1 | lle2: but where is located host_gcc ? |
| 20:04.16 | Emh5945 | Pidgin used to run fine then when i waas using it it crashed and it no longer opens, i have reinstalled it and protocols |
| 20:04.31 | lle2 | Gorion1: inside sb1, say host-gcc |
| 20:04.51 | lle2 | Gorion1: doesn't matter how your target is configured, it'll always do the same |
| 20:05.02 | Silicium | are USB hostmode for N800 currently not availble? |
| 20:05.23 | lle2 | Gorion1: so do something like this: CC=host-gcc ./configure --prefix=/host_usr && make && make install |
| 20:05.26 | matmo | evening all. 770 with HE, cannot install/uninstall anything. Even tried as root using "dpkg -r mplayer" but get "error in /var/lib/dpkg/status near line 9061 package osso-applet-textinput-l10n-ruru" |
| 20:06.10 | keesj | lle2: by default host-gcc is not installed on 3.1 |
| 20:06.22 | lle2 | keesj: it isn't? oh my... |
| 20:07.05 | lle2 | Gorion1: as I said, ignore everything I say, things seem to have, um.., evolved? |
| 20:08.13 | keesj | lle2: every new release is getting harder and harder to install. |
| 20:08.52 | keesj | perhaps not harder but it's constantly changing |
| 20:08.56 | lle2 | keesj: survival of the fittest, aye? |
| 20:08.57 | pupnik | matmo - you can fix that file by hand, or restore from a backup |
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| 20:09.34 | pupnik | matmo: check that directory for backup file - run a diff between them |
| 20:10.17 | matmo | ok, trying now |
| 20:10.24 | kupesoft | Can anyone tell me what driver is used for the n800's wireless adaptor, lspci or otherwise...? |
| 20:11.02 | pupnik | kupesoft: i don't know - perhaps lsmod would show it |
| 20:11.14 | Emh5945 | Pidgin used to work fine then it crashed while i was using it and now i fails to load, i have reinstalled it along with protocols it doesnt work |
| 20:11.21 | keesj | kupesoft: search on garage there is page for the driver. it has been updated recently |
| 20:12.29 | N800 | pidgins are flying rats in NYC |
| 20:12.37 | N800 | nasty animals |
| 20:14.07 | Gorion1 | lle2: it worked uhauhauha |
| 20:14.56 | matmo | pupnik: thanks! Now anybody know which mplayer to use on HE, ie, the 770 or 880 release? |
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| 20:16.09 | pupnik | 770 |
| 20:16.13 | pupnik | afaik |
| 20:16.13 | matmo | ok |
| 20:16.17 | Emh5945 | Come on i need help please |
| 20:17.09 | matmo | pupnik: out of interest, do you know what corrupts "status" file? |
| 20:17.33 | pupnik | no - i had that error, googled the answer and that's about it |
| 20:18.19 | matmo | ok, at least mplayer is now trying to do something :-) |
| 20:19.06 | matmo | ...but I think it's hung :-( |
| 20:19.39 | matmo | ah no, back now but no play .flv |
| 20:20.33 | pupnik | is there a brand new it2007he out? |
| 20:20.44 | matmo | ...but is player canola vid ok :-) |
| 20:20.58 | matmo | pupnik: not when I checked a few hours ago |
| 20:21.15 | pupnik | ok |
| 20:22.42 | matmo | apart from the 770 installed vid this is the first time I have had one running on the 770 - neat! Better than I was led to believe |
| 20:22.47 | amr | is it normal for kagu scanner to lock up my device? |
| 20:23.49 | Gorion1 | lle2: thanks know i can build deb packages.. the host-gcc comes with my 3.1 |
| 20:23.51 | kupesoft | keesj: I'm having trouble finding said page, |
| 20:25.32 | ssvb | matmo: also try '-nosound' or '-ao esd -ac ffmp3' options with mplayer to narrow down the problem |
| 20:26.14 | pupnik | nice to see you ssvb... hope you're doing well :) |
| 20:26.46 | matmo | ssvb: thanks for the suggestion, I'll give it a go. The problem one is just a test dl from youtube. Next to try xvid |
| 20:27.14 | ssvb | pupnik: thanks, I'm fine |
| 20:28.48 | ssvb | matmo: hangs are most likely related to audio output, flv or xvid hardly will make any difference (though trying more videos will definitely not harm) |
| 20:29.51 | pupnik | is the audio problem related to the it2007he dspsound/pcm3 -> pcm2 problem? |
| 20:29.54 | matmo | ssvb: yep "-nosound" gets the vid running |
| 20:30.24 | ssvb | pupnik: there were (and maybe still are) problems with fast starting/stopping gstreamer pipeline on N800 |
| 20:31.13 | amr | i just make my vids work with the inbuilt player |
| 20:31.17 | amr | am i missing out or something |
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| 20:32.14 | ssvb | pupnik: mplayer now uses 100 milliseconds delay before resuming playback as a workaround, maybe on 770 it does not work properly |
| 20:32.35 | amr | ok this doesnt look good, my 770 can connect fine to my wireless network |
| 20:32.43 | amr | but trying to get a website i get 'Network problem' |
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| 20:34.15 | ssvb | pupnik: probably the best solution would be free mp3 and vorbis decoders running on DSP in order to get rid of this gstreamer hack |
| 20:35.22 | matmo | ssvb: other option doesn't get sound. No prob, I'll check it later. The canola vid is flv so must be something about the utube one. Most my own vids are in xvid. |
| 20:36.26 | pupnik | agree ssvb |
| 20:36.37 | ssvb | pupnik: proprietary DSP codecs have one more disadvantage, there is no way to get decoded audio back from DSP which makes them unsuitable for A2DP |
| 20:37.07 | pupnik | i blame TI :) |
| 20:37.39 | pupnik | also the lugnuts who hold the mp3 patents |
| 20:37.50 | amr | ugh what the hell is up with my 770 |
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| 20:40.19 | ssvb | pupnik: I wonder if mp3 patents are valid in Europe? Also Nokia probably already paid "protection money" for mp3 patents for us |
| 20:40.55 | Gorion1 | can i install from scratchbox using the install file on maemo site? |
| 20:42.10 | amr | any one any idea why i can connect to the access point fine |
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| 20:42.26 | amr | yet cant go on any sites |
| 20:42.33 | amr | yet i can on my laptop |
| 20:43.14 | amr | doing nslookup google.com |
| 20:43.16 | amr | results in |
| 20:43.21 | amr | Server: Nokia770-49 |
| 20:43.26 | amr | Address: 127.0.0.1 |
| 20:43.30 | amr | then nslookup freezes |
| 20:43.33 | amr | and i have to ctrl-z |
| 20:44.05 | ssvb | pupnik: as for DSP, there seems to be lots documentation about it and a free toolchain, at least it should be possible to use DSP just as a number crunching device without the need to access any peripherials |
| 20:44.11 | amr | anyone at all? |
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| 20:47.01 | amr | argh |
| 20:47.09 | amr | should i flash it? |
| 20:49.03 | pupnik | ssvb: yes lardman and kulve have been experimenting with this |
| 20:49.36 | kreig | amr: could it be that your laptop has the DNS server hardcoded? |
| 20:49.53 | kreig | amr: and the AP is not giving the n770 it's DNS server info, or giving it incorrecly? |
| 20:50.15 | amr | well i cant go to local ip's either |
| 20:50.34 | kreig | ah, when it connects does it so "Link-Local" anywhere? |
| 20:50.42 | kreig | try disconnecting and re-connecting and see if it says that |
| 20:50.59 | amr | oh wait |
| 20:51.00 | amr | i can |
| 20:51.07 | amr | i can connect to local ip's |
| 20:51.19 | amr | i tried reconnecting, and restarting the 770 |
| 20:51.56 | amr | hm |
| 20:52.16 | ssvb | pupnik: BTW, I have found some sources for libmad port to C55x DSP, they also use dspgateway (http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.mad.devel/645) |
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| 20:52.38 | amr | right ill try resetting the router as i think its frozen |
| 20:52.43 | ssvb | pupnik: did not try to compile them yet though |
| 20:53.57 | pupnik | being able to compile c code for the dsp makes it interesting for many applications |
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| 20:54.51 | pupnik | very exciting stuff - does omap 2420 share same dsp as 1710? |
| 20:55.03 | ssvb | pupnik: sure, it could be used as some kind of 2D accelerator for graphics |
| 20:56.36 | ssvb | pupnik: yes, it is, but dsp in omap 2420 is clocked at lower frequency, so it might be slower than dsp from 770 (memory speed can make the difference too, so I'm not sure) |
| 20:57.59 | pupnik | did you write those ASM blitting tests in sdl? |
| 20:58.17 | pupnik | i downloaded them somewhere - a few of the modes gave vertical bars |
| 20:58.35 | ssvb | pupnik: no, which ones? |
| 20:58.48 | ssvb | pupnik: are they at least fast? |
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| 20:59.50 | pupnik | searching |
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| 21:00.46 | pupnik | inline-asm-mem-16bpp.c |
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| 21:03.37 | amr_ | hey whadya know |
| 21:03.41 | amr_ | it was my heap of crap router |
| 21:05.20 | ssvb | pupnik: inline asm can be dangerous, I was already hit this bug: http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=31693 |
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| 21:05.58 | pupnik | yes i saw inline problems |
| 21:06.09 | pupnik | http://pupnik.de/fastblit.tgz |
| 21:06.22 | pupnik | i don't have a readme or know the author's name |
| 21:06.39 | a-l-p-h-a | I'm having the worst time trying to get minimo on the 770... os2006 |
| 21:07.08 | pupnik | a-l-p-h-a: i did also and gave up |
| 21:07.27 | sully | I got it on there without a problem |
| 21:07.31 | sully | What's the issue? |
| 21:07.39 | a-l-p-h-a | well, I tried the adding the repo |
| 21:07.43 | a-l-p-h-a | and can't get to that repo... |
| 21:07.46 | a-l-p-h-a | sec... |
| 21:08.05 | sully | This one? |
| 21:08.05 | sully | Web address - http://repository.maemo.org |
| 21:08.05 | sully | Distribution - herring |
| 21:08.05 | sully | Components - main |
| 21:08.10 | a-l-p-h-a | no. |
| 21:08.12 | a-l-p-h-a | it was another one |
| 21:08.17 | sully | Add that and try it |
| 21:08.18 | a-l-p-h-a | I'm on mistral |
| 21:08.21 | a-l-p-h-a | not herring |
| 21:08.30 | sully | Nonetheless, add that and give it a whirl |
| 21:08.46 | a-l-p-h-a | okay |
| 21:08.48 | a-l-p-h-a | adding |
| 21:09.48 | matmo | wow, usb transfer soooo slooow! Is the 770 usb 1.0? |
| 21:10.07 | sully | yes |
| 21:10.18 | sully | I use ftp or wget |
| 21:10.18 | matmo | huh |
| 21:10.42 | matmo | sully: ftp server/client? |
| 21:10.54 | sully | *nod* I run a local FTP server |
| 21:11.01 | matmo | (on the 770 side i mean) |
| 21:11.08 | a-l-p-h-a | lets see now... :) |
| 21:11.13 | matmo | ok |
| 21:11.23 | a-l-p-h-a | downloading the new repo... i need to learn how to write again... taptyping stinks. |
| 21:11.37 | a-l-p-h-a | and the handwriting recognizes me, but like 80% of the time only |
| 21:11.52 | amr_ | ive never been able to get that much accuracy :p |
| 21:11.56 | amr_ | have you done the handwriting teaching? |
| 21:12.05 | a-l-p-h-a | no. |
| 21:12.09 | amr_ | do that |
| 21:12.14 | a-l-p-h-a | okay |
| 21:12.41 | sully | any luck? |
| 21:13.20 | a-l-p-h-a | no... didn't like that repo/distru/comp configuration... |
| 21:13.26 | matmo | well 22meg xvid at least starts to play in mplayer, promising |
| 21:13.29 | a-l-p-h-a | http://repository.maemo.org mistral main |
| 21:13.43 | a-l-p-h-a | changing to http://repository.maemo.org/stable mistral main |
| 21:13.45 | a-l-p-h-a | and testing again |
| 21:14.08 | a-l-p-h-a | still unable to refresh list |
| 21:14.17 | keesj | kupesoft: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/cx3110x/ |
| 21:15.00 | a-l-p-h-a | http://repository.maemo.org/stable/mistral/Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.0_relnotes.txt points to this url, which is out of date http://www.maemo.org/platform/docs/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial.html |
| 21:15.27 | matmo | quits for tonight. see ya and once again thanks for the help! |
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| 21:16.06 | kreig | hmm |
| 21:16.14 | kreig | so I can ssh to my n800 |
| 21:16.27 | kreig | but only when it is actually pulling traffic from splace else |
| 21:16.33 | sully | keesj: I'm curious, what does that do? |
| 21:16.38 | kreig | for isntance, I can login as long as I'm DLing some website |
| 21:16.44 | kreig | but when the website stop, my ssh into the n800 stop |
| 21:18.06 | kreig | is that normal? |
| 21:18.15 | a-l-p-h-a | sully, still no go. |
| 21:18.19 | sully | My 770 keeps the SSH session alive without issue |
| 21:18.41 | sully | a-l-p-h-a, I usually try to download all the *.deb files I need to my local computer for just this reason |
| 21:18.52 | sully | I don't think I got anything but minimo_0.20.1_armel.deb this time though |
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| 21:19.48 | kreig | ok, I need to put my toy away 8) |
| 21:19.52 | kreig | so I cna get some chores done |
| 21:20.18 | pupnik | i think microb will be great |
| 21:20.34 | Blacksitox | hi |
| 21:23.43 | a-l-p-h-a | ooooooooh minimo isn't in this repo "http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ mistral free" |
| 21:25.18 | a-l-p-h-a | can someone confirm what I just said... I hope to be proven wrong. |
| 21:25.51 | kreig | hmm, apt-get install clean-kitchen is not working |
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| 21:29.56 | a-l-p-h-a | version 3.2006.49-2 what name is this? mistral? |
| 21:30.02 | a-l-p-h-a | bora? |
| 21:30.04 | a-l-p-h-a | scirroco? |
| 21:30.04 | _Monkey | rumour has it bora is pointing to 3.2 which is not working yet |
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| 21:31.01 | TomCreer | how does one get Make on the 770 (it's on RD mode already..) |
| 21:35.11 | a-l-p-h-a | ahh...somehow I typed the repo in wrong. |
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| 21:36.29 | sully | Which one? Herring? |
| 21:36.39 | BigMac | Hey, anyone use the nokia 770 here |
| 21:36.43 | sully | I do |
| 21:37.11 | BigMac | sully: Do you know what is the path to "Documents" section |
| 21:37.23 | sully | It is /home/user/MyDocs/.documents |
| 21:37.24 | BigMac | it isn't /home/user/MyDocs |
| 21:37.28 | BigMac | ohhhh |
| 21:37.30 | sully | For some reason it's a hidden folder |
| 21:37.32 | BigMac | thank you man |
| 21:37.43 | sully | It might be .document, but one of the two should work |
| 21:39.00 | BigMac | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:39.07 | BigMac | oh doh |
| 21:39.11 | BigMac | my fault |
| 21:39.25 | BigMac | I was typing cd /home/user/.documents |
| 21:39.33 | sully | hehe |
| 21:39.44 | TomCreer | where can you get Make for the 770? I tried someone's package.. but tar said "invalid tar magic", said the same when i tried to compile one off the gnu site |
| 21:39.55 | sully | If you use "ls", make sure to use "ls -a" to see hidden files/folders |
| 21:40.47 | BigMac | sully: DO use xterm on the 770? |
| 21:40.56 | sully | yes |
| 21:41.01 | BigMac | Because I can't figure out why it will not let me backspace |
| 21:41.09 | sully | That's a buggy version of xterm |
| 21:41.09 | TomCreer | it does |
| 21:41.15 | TomCreer | it just shows it as a character |
| 21:41.17 | TomCreer | ^h |
| 21:41.18 | sully | Well yeah true |
| 21:41.19 | TomCreer | or whatever |
| 21:41.29 | BigMac | Oh |
| 21:41.31 | sully | I think you can set ^H to backspace, but just get the other version of xterm |
| 21:42.02 | BigMac | sully: Other version? |
| 21:42.06 | sully | http://770.fs-security.com/xterm/ I think |
| 21:42.36 | TomCreer | anyone know about Make then? |
| 21:42.38 | BigMac | thats 2005 edition |
| 21:42.41 | BigMac | i have 2006 |
| 21:42.52 | TomCreer | bigmac its in the repos |
| 21:42.55 | BigMac | ok |
| 21:43.52 | sully | aha I found it, BigMac |
| 21:43.55 | sully | http://maemo-hackers.org/wiki/OssoXterm |
| 21:44.11 | BigMac | sully: I have OssoXterm |
| 21:44.24 | sully | yes, I realize :) |
| 21:44.29 | sully | This is a different version |
| 21:44.45 | BigMac | oh |
| 21:45.21 | sully | Few new features, supports 256 colours, etc |
| 21:45.26 | sully | Fixes that backspace issue |
| 21:47.19 | TomCreer | sully mate any info about make on the 770? |
| 21:47.23 | a-l-p-h-a | sully, sec |
| 21:48.02 | sully | TomCreer, sorry but never played with that one |
| 21:48.23 | a-l-p-h-a | Web address http://home.ufam.edu.br/~agan/minimo/ |
| 21:48.23 | a-l-p-h-a | Distribution mistral/ |
| 21:48.23 | a-l-p-h-a | Components (leave blank) |
| 21:48.29 | BigMac | Anyone know how to stop the gtalk icon from showing up in the status bar? |
| 21:48.40 | BigMac | Or just tell it to stop loading completly |
| 21:53.55 | BigMac | And why is cp /home/user/MyDocs/.documents/Loom /home/user/MyDocs omitting the initial directory? |
| 21:54.20 | sully | omitting? |
| 21:54.39 | pupnik | cp -r for recursive directory copy |
| 21:54.41 | sully | Is LOOM good? I'm playing through Monkey Island 2 for now |
| 21:55.01 | pupnik | besides you probably want to mv instead of cp |
| 21:55.08 | BigMac | yes I do |
| 21:55.43 | pupnik | i need walkthroughs for those games |
| 21:55.51 | pupnik | usually too unintuitive the puzzles |
| 21:56.48 | BigMac | I heard it was great |
| 21:56.53 | TomCreer | whats the dev box on the 770 called again? |
| 21:58.34 | sully | yeah I end up getting the walkthrus as well |
| 21:58.41 | sully | Next I'll throw Full Throttle on there |
| 21:58.43 | kreig | anyone get t-mobile internet going on their n800? |
| 21:58.46 | kreig | via DUN |
| 21:59.14 | kreig | getting "Remote server not responding" tho I have tried several suggests APNs |
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| 22:00.48 | TomCreer | what apn you using? |
| 22:01.40 | kreig | interenet.voicestream.com |
| 22:01.46 | kreig | internet.voicestream.com |
| 22:01.54 | kreig | and then internet2 and internet3 |
| 22:02.51 | kreig | got! |
| 22:02.58 | kreig | got it! |
| 22:03.00 | kreig | wooo |
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| 22:07.38 | Emh5945 | Somebody help me! I broke pidgin and gaim by activating the iconify plugin now i cant use either of them! |
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| 22:09.21 | Juhaz | you could remove ~/.gaim |
| 22:09.50 | Emh5945 | How, sorry i'm new |
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| 22:10.15 | kreig | TomCreer: I just had to add receive-all to /etc/ppp/options, as described on maemo.org chart of phone compat. |
| 22:10.36 | kreig | I had forgetten to switch the APN back to internet2 after trying the others. Once I did that, it connected |
| 22:11.16 | Juhaz | or .gaim/prefs.xml would probably be enough, and wouldn't lose accounts. |
| 22:11.35 | TomCreer | ok :) |
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| 22:11.54 | pupnik | wb Luria |
| 22:12.00 | Luria | yo |
| 22:12.14 | Luria | think i found a bug in microb... |
| 22:12.17 | Emh5945 | How do i remove that though the file manager is pretty limited as far as i know |
| 22:12.42 | Juhaz | Emh5945, yes, the files manager is pretty limited. not sure if you can access that through any of the gui tool, might need xterm. |
| 22:12.50 | Luria | Emh5945, that reminds me, i have to install canoe |
| 22:12.57 | Juhaz | or third party file manager |
| 22:13.15 | Emh5945 | I have xterm, but i cant use it very well |
| 22:14.05 | Juhaz | "rm .gaim/prefs.xml" right after starting xterm should work |
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| 22:14.15 | TomCreer | anyone got aircrack? |
| 22:14.41 | Luria | aircrack-ng is in the main repo, iirc |
| 22:15.23 | TomCreer | couldnt see it |
| 22:16.02 | Emh5945 | Thank you, that workeed, would pidgin simply be rm .pidgin/prefs.xml or is it different? |
| 22:16.34 | sully | aircrack's useless on our devices anyways |
| 22:17.07 | TomCreer | can we not inject? |
| 22:17.12 | Juhaz | Emh5945, I think pidgin still uses ~/.gaim for it's configuration so it should already work with that too. |
| 22:18.01 | sully | We cannot inject |
| 22:18.12 | sully | I use Kismet on my 770 for the hell of it, but there's no practical use |
| 22:18.34 | Luria | no injection |
| 22:18.34 | kreig | darn |
| 22:18.39 | Emh5945 | No it didn't work but i didnt think it would because gaim was working while pidgin wasnt |
| 22:18.41 | kreig | there goes my plan for crashing iphones 8) |
| 22:18.49 | Luria | well, kismet has use, but is mad buggy |
| 22:18.55 | sully | Actually I wonder, how does one change the MAC address of the 770/800 |
| 22:19.05 | Luria | well, kismet has use, but is mad buggy |
| 22:19.05 | _Monkey | i already had it that way, Luria. |
| 22:19.07 | Luria | oops |
| 22:19.12 | Luria | macchanger? |
| 22:19.22 | sully | Can't be done natively? hrm |
| 22:19.24 | kreig | is lack of injection a hardware limitation? |
| 22:19.31 | kreig | or driver? |
| 22:19.34 | sully | I think nobody's ported it is all |
| 22:19.36 | Luria | stupid keyboard - ? is shift+arrow key up |
| 22:19.38 | sully | The driver works |
| 22:19.40 | Juhaz | Emh5945, oh, yeah, looks like it's .purple |
| 22:19.46 | kreig | ah |
| 22:19.56 | sully | Actually cracking the key would take forever on a 770/800 as well |
| 22:20.45 | erstazi | yeah, aircrack-ng works great on a laptop |
| 22:21.02 | TomCreer | ah k |
| 22:21.08 | TomCreer | shame |
| 22:21.11 | TomCreer | what about airodump? |
| 22:21.18 | sully | No go on airodump |
| 22:21.27 | Emh5945 | Thank you so much, it works |
| 22:21.31 | TomCreer | how come? |
| 22:21.37 | sully | Hasn't been ported |
| 22:21.44 | TomCreer | aww weak |
| 22:21.50 | TomCreer | ..anyone want a 770 :P? |
| 22:21.54 | sully | I haven't done much wireless hacking, but if someone does MAC filtering and you change your MAC to match... are you good? |
| 22:22.03 | TomCreer | yea |
| 22:22.12 | sully | I see |
| 22:22.21 | TomCreer | altho you can have probs if both macs are doing stuff |
| 22:22.24 | TomCreer | when they send ack's etc |
| 22:22.35 | soolek | there's a software on n770 to change MAC |
| 22:22.42 | TomCreer | i mean.. that'd be more the other person's concern then yours |
| 22:23.49 | TomCreer | love how easy it is to change the MAC on linux |
| 22:24.36 | sully | What's the command? |
| 22:24.36 | TomCreer | at work we had some software which was mainly on windows, but they rolled out a linux version too. Their licensing tied it to the mac adress lol |
| 22:25.01 | soolek | http://maemo-hackers.org/apt/pool/main/m/macchanger/macchanger_1.5.0-1_armel.deb |
| 22:25.04 | TomCreer | can use ifconfig |
| 22:25.07 | TomCreer | ah right, sweet |
| 22:25.15 | soolek | and there's manual: http://www.alobbs.com/macchanger/ |
| 22:26.01 | TomCreer | i'm not very clued up on the 770 dev.. do maemo2/bora apps not work on mistral? |
| 22:26.05 | TomCreer | if they're even different |
| 22:27.04 | soolek | bora is it2007 from n800 |
| 22:27.13 | soolek | mistral is n770 it2006 |
| 22:27.18 | TomCreer | ah.. so bora apps won't work |
| 22:27.21 | TomCreer | what's maemo2? |
| 22:27.41 | soolek | maemo2 is it2006 |
| 22:28.19 | soolek | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/maemoreleasesrepositoriesdistros/ |
| 22:28.34 | TomCreer | cheers |
| 22:28.37 | soolek | have a look at this webpage you'll know |
| 22:28.41 | TomCreer | has anyone tried compiling gnash for it? |
| 22:31.19 | pupnik | should be trivial |
| 22:31.34 | sully | ok, hmm. |
| 22:31.51 | TomCreer | assume you can't embed in opera as a true flash replacement tho? |
| 22:31.54 | sully | So getting around MAC filtering would mean hopping into Kismet and looking for active APs |
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| 22:32.12 | sully | Then you look for associated clients to that AP, and change to match the MAC address |
| 22:32.29 | sully | Worth a try sometime |
| 22:32.32 | TomCreer | yea |
| 22:32.46 | Luria | you know there is a point in one's life |
| 22:32.46 | TomCreer | although potential issues if you're both connected to AP at same time |
| 22:33.13 | Luria | where a man must see himself in the mirror, and think: |
| 22:33.26 | Luria | oh shit, my mother finally found my website. |
| 22:34.04 | Luria | sigh. timeless, you around? |
| 22:35.22 | TomCreer | ffs.. mplayer won't install |
| 22:35.26 | TomCreer | 'couldn't install' |
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| 22:35.50 | sully | Why do people install mplayer anyways? |
| 22:35.58 | TomCreer | what else is good? |
| 22:36.05 | TomCreer | i had it working before i flashed it anyways |
| 22:36.11 | sully | I re-encode my videos for the 770 and play it in the default player |
| 22:36.22 | sully | Are you not re-encoding? |
| 22:36.32 | TomCreer | yea |
| 22:36.40 | TomCreer | i am.. but mplayer still has better codecs |
| 22:36.48 | TomCreer | well, i assumed so anyway |
| 22:36.58 | sully | Seems about the same to me |
| 22:37.15 | Luria | right, sully, but what if youre on the road and you download some porn? |
| 22:37.18 | Luria | right, sully, but what if youre on the road and you download some porn? |
| 22:37.20 | Luria | oops |
| 22:37.27 | sully | no oops, that was worth saying twice! |
| 22:37.46 | sully | I can't get road porn, here in Canada we don't believe in affordable data |
| 22:37.55 | Luria | mplayer, thus, is for porn. |
| 22:38.13 | Luria | what about open APs? |
| 22:38.16 | eichi | Luria: lol |
| 22:38.34 | sully | We have some of those, but unfortunately free Wifi seems to be mostly a myth |
| 22:38.59 | Luria | linksys doesnt translate to canadian? |
| 22:39.07 | sully | haha |
| 22:39.21 | sully | People in Toronto seem to do MAC filtering if nothing else |
| 22:39.24 | TomCreer | wimax? |
| 22:39.25 | Luria | cause linksys is my provider. |
| 22:39.26 | eichi | i love mplayer because it plays vides fine, which are not re-encoded for the player |
| 22:39.43 | TomCreer | get some wimax/wibro on the go |
| 22:39.53 | TomCreer | like 10mb/s mobile |
| 22:39.54 | sully | We have WiMax deployed here actually. But how would I access that via the 770? |
| 22:40.01 | TomCreer | hm you wouldn't |
| 22:40.02 | Luria | i hate genetal herpes commercials. what kinda actor does that? |
| 22:40.14 | TomCreer | it's supposed to be integrated in the intel chipsets sooner or later |
| 22:40.32 | sully | I saw the news post about the N800 getting Wimax care of Sprint |
| 22:40.37 | TomCreer | the SU-O's we have our quite big tho, and take a lot of power |
| 22:40.53 | Luria | oops genital. whatever. damn valtrex commercials. |
| 22:41.09 | Luria | que? n800 has wimax? |
| 22:41.13 | disq | kagu 1.0.6 released! |
| 22:41.19 | TomCreer | nah n800 doesn't |
| 22:41.43 | Luria | i was hoping that to be the hw easter egg |
| 22:41.49 | sully | A revised N800 will |
| 22:42.03 | TomCreer | if it does i'll upgrade |
| 22:42.10 | sully | http://www.amazon.com/gp/blog/post/PLNK1YNB3M1T989GR |
| 22:42.16 | sully | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:42.31 | Luria | oh fuck me. |
| 22:42.37 | disq | editable playlists / album cover view / updated theme / filename parser if no id3 / compilation albums work / also works on the 770! |
| 22:42.48 | sully | sexy isn't it? |
| 22:42.54 | TomCreer | lol |
| 22:42.55 | TomCreer | nicde |
| 22:43.03 | sully | I almost want to move to the States for that |
| 22:43.05 | Luria | there better be a damn upgrade available |
| 22:43.09 | pupnik | nice job disq |
| 22:43.11 | TomCreer | there any easy way to add tracks/dirs to the Audio Player pl? |
| 22:43.29 | TomCreer | doesn't say what freq wimax tho |
| 22:43.33 | sully | I <3 Kagu. I just need to somehow install python 2.5 |
| 22:43.48 | Luria | well, in the end, i still want a a717 |
| 22:43.57 | disq | _Monkey: python2.5? |
| 22:43.58 | _Monkey | python2.5 is at pymaemo.garage.maemo.org! |
| 22:44.00 | Luria | cant' find them unlocked tho |
| 22:44.21 | sully | ok I'm gonna give python 2.5 another try and bug you guys for help |
| 22:44.35 | disq | ok |
| 22:45.44 | TomCreer | anyways.. night |
| 22:46.15 | Luria | anyone using/used a solar panel with the n800? |
| 22:47.07 | sully | _Monkey: Kagu? |
| 22:47.07 | _Monkey | Kagu is http://maemo.org/downloads/product/kagu |
| 22:47.47 | Luria | _Monkey, _Monkey? |
| 22:47.47 | _Monkey | rumour has it i am an annoying bot |
| 22:47.55 | sully | lol |
| 22:48.01 | Luria | amen to that |
| 22:48.01 | disq | _Monkey: google? |
| 22:48.01 | _Monkey | google is my friend |
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| 22:48.36 | Luria | _Monkey, manual? |
| 22:48.37 | _Monkey | luria: bugger all, i dunno |
| 22:50.22 | disq | the kagu update also includes ogg support, though you'll need to get ogg support working on the n800. (we couldn't, works on the 770 tho) |
| 22:51.26 | Luria | anyone using a 3g phone on att/cingular? |
| 22:51.37 | Luria | with the iT, obviously |
| 22:53.01 | Luria | _Monkey, irc? |
| 22:53.01 | _Monkey | irc is only a couple of days old for me |
| 22:53.15 | Luria | _Monkey, freenode? |
| 22:53.15 | _Monkey | luria: i don't know |
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| 22:53.31 | Luria | hmmm what else... |
| 22:53.37 | Luria | _Monkey, nokia? |
| 22:53.37 | _Monkey | nokia is in bed with all the large ones so anything Nokia releases they got to be carefull |
| 22:53.46 | sully | disq: I got a "Unable to install Kagu." error, though the item now appears in my 770's menu |
| 22:53.53 | Luria | wtf? |
| 22:53.56 | sully | Running it does nothing |
| 22:54.19 | Luria | _Monkey, iphone? |
| 22:54.19 | _Monkey | iphone is a flashy interface made to suck money out of people on outdated technology and walled gardens |
| 22:54.56 | disq | sully: 770 or n800? |
| 22:55.01 | sully | 770 |
| 22:55.03 | disq | ah |
| 22:55.14 | disq | the gregale repository is not updated yet, so you installed 1.0.5 which is broken on the 770 |
| 22:55.34 | sully | gotcha :) |
| 22:55.40 | disq | i'm refreshing the repo index, it'll probably get updated in a few minutes, will notify you |
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| 22:56.34 | sully | thanks, you rock |
| 23:01.00 | Luria | sigh |
| 23:01.04 | disq | sully: repo updated now, try again :) |
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| 23:03.56 | bmidgley | Luria: i have used a solar with n800... solarport 4.4 w/usb charging cable |
| 23:04.12 | bmidgley | Luria: should be even better with a proper auto adapter but i don't have one |
| 23:04.49 | sully | https://garage.maemo.org/docman/view.php/304/205/kagu.install won't load :| |
| 23:05.05 | sully | and just as I say that, it does |
| 23:05.11 | disq | :) |
| 23:05.42 | sully | disq: It prompted me to install 10.5 |
| 23:05.48 | sully | er |
| 23:05.52 | sully | you know what I mean |
| 23:05.57 | disq | yeah. erm |
| 23:06.14 | disq | i can see the 1.0.6 deb here: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/gregale/free/k/kagu/ |
| 23:06.29 | sully | Is it safe to wget that and install locally? |
| 23:06.33 | disq | yeah |
| 23:06.46 | disq | could also download from garage.maemo.org/projects/kagu |
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| 23:27.22 | pupnik | wow beatrix yuu ahh povahful |
| 23:36.55 | disq | arg, ukmp's maemoscrobbler support is incomplete |
| 23:39.00 | Sulis | is there any kind of astronomy software for the n800? |
| 23:39.05 | sully | okay, the scanner is working... |
| 23:39.13 | sully | got my album covers |
| 23:39.20 | disq | :) |
| 23:39.24 | sully | here goes with the player... |
| 23:39.37 | pupnik | Sulis if you find any with a gtk2 interface let us know |
| 23:39.49 | sully | uh oh, crashed |
| 23:40.01 | disq | where/how? |
| 23:40.18 | Sulis | pupnik: ah, does that mean you have searched and not found any? |
| 23:40.20 | sully | After "initializing osso player", it just closed |
| 23:40.29 | disq | can you open xterm and run "kagu" from there, to see what happened? (a ssh session would also do but run as user not root) |
| 23:40.29 | sully | I'm going to reboot my 770 |
| 23:40.32 | sully | okay |
| 23:41.59 | sully | Fatal Python error: (pygame parachute) Segmentation fault |
| 23:42.42 | disq | okay. mm. |
| 23:42.50 | disq | latest 770 firmware, right? |
| 23:43.27 | sully | man it's running slow now |
| 23:43.55 | sully | correct: 3.2006.49-2 |
| 23:43.55 | disq | it being the tablet? |
| 23:43.55 | _Monkey | rumour has it 3.2006.49-2 is the last (final) version of OS 2006 so you're up to date |
| 23:44.00 | sully | yeah, the 770 |
| 23:44.15 | disq | probably a stray kagu process running in the background? |
| 23:44.36 | disq | you can hunt it down and kill it or just reboot :/ but weird error, could be related to threading (but it works for me) |
| 23:45.31 | sully | no stray kagu processes; interesting |
| 23:45.42 | disq | huh |
| 23:45.48 | disq | it is |
| 23:45.54 | sully | I got two runtime warnings |
| 23:45.59 | pupnik | Sulis no, but if you find some interesting linux software, it's always fun to try compiling it for ITOS |
| 23:46.03 | sully | one for "import cdrom" and one for "import joystick" |
| 23:46.10 | disq | don't mind them |
| 23:46.27 | sully | yeah I figured those were safe |
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| 23:46.55 | Sulis | pupnik: ah, kay, i'l look around |
| 23:46.57 | sp3000 | "import beer" |
| 23:47.27 | sp3000 | (that would be rather critical) |
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