| 00:09.20 | rhys | im on dialup. couldnt tell you for a few minutes |
| 00:09.32 | rhys | n800 gets wiMax next year through sprint btw |
| 00:13.03 | CHaiNS | its ok now |
| 00:13.18 | CHaiNS | have you tried this running windowmanager image? |
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| 01:38.37 | unique311 | a2dp is not working |
| 01:38.55 | unique311 | followed instructions |
| 01:39.03 | unique311 | still not working |
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| 02:42.29 | unique311 | motorola h500 doesn't not play well with a2dp |
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| 02:46.24 | MaemoUS | how can i install themes for maemo in scratchbox |
| 02:46.31 | MaemoUS | ? |
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| 03:36.20 | Toma- | im trying to use 770-encode and im getting some nasty audio... http://members.iinet.net.au/~haste/fam606.avi |
| 03:37.06 | k8 | ^^ |
| 03:37.11 | k8 | (hi) |
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| 03:55.51 | trevarthan | Anyone know how to turn the screen off programmatically in maemo? |
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| 04:11.26 | sparr | dont know, Jesse |
| 04:12.13 | timeless | oh right |
| 04:12.17 | timeless | you did ask that question |
| 04:12.53 | timeless | have you looked at how the screen saver works? |
| 04:13.29 | timeless | looks like you probably want to speak to dsme |
| 04:14.14 | timeless | do you have libinactivity-blank? |
| 04:15.42 | timeless | glory: |
| 04:15.51 | timeless | / $ find /usr/lib | grep inactivity |
| 04:15.55 | timeless | Segmentation fault |
| 04:16.03 | sparr | fun |
| 04:16.07 | sparr | find or grep? |
| 04:19.00 | trevarthan | I don't get a segfault here, but no matches either |
| 04:19.05 | timeless | no core dumps folder |
| 04:19.10 | timeless | so i can't say |
| 04:20.20 | trevarthan | alright, I'm goin' to sleep. night folks. |
| 04:22.01 | timeless | hrm, it's definitely part of dsme |
| 04:22.52 | timeless | ah |
| 04:22.55 | timeless | well, if you're root |
| 04:23.04 | timeless | ioctl(fb, FBIOBLANK, VESA_POWERDOWN) |
| 04:24.03 | timeless | ok, got it |
| 04:24.22 | trevarthan | yeah, still awake |
| 04:24.35 | timeless | i don't suppose you have a dsme/protocol.h |
| 04:25.03 | timeless | mce seems to use it |
| 04:25.07 | trevarthan | not in /usr/lib |
| 04:25.17 | timeless | it'd be in an include dir silly :) |
| 04:25.34 | trevarthan | nor /usr/include |
| 04:25.39 | trevarthan | yeah yeah |
| 04:25.45 | trevarthan | I'm sleepy |
| 04:25.59 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:26.05 | timeless | ok, you want to abuse dbus :) |
| 04:26.19 | trevarthan | yeah, let's do that. |
| 04:26.41 | timeless | ok, the enum value is POWER_KEY_MENU_RESPONSE_TKLOCK =1, |
| 04:27.21 | timeless | "powerkey_callback" |
| 04:27.25 | timeless | is the dbus callback |
| 04:27.57 | timeless | "com.nokia.mce.request" |
| 04:28.04 | timeless | is the dbus interface |
| 04:28.38 | timeless | it expects afaiu a single int32 arg (value 1 from above) |
| 04:28.48 | trevarthan | k. lemme code some stuff up. |
| 04:29.04 | timeless | note: no guarantee you can unblank :) |
| 04:29.17 | timeless | oh, and be careful |
| 04:29.24 | timeless | this is the same interface that the user gets for the power key |
| 04:29.30 | timeless | so you could accidental reboot the device |
| 04:29.39 | timeless | or power it off or ... |
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| 04:30.10 | trevarthan | mmmm... nice |
| 04:30.39 | timeless | oh, good, just in time |
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| 04:30.43 | trevarthan | you guys putting your API monkeys on that? |
| 04:30.53 | timeless | "no" |
| 04:31.01 | timeless | please consider this an undocumented backchannel |
| 04:31.06 | timeless | but now i have to go |
| 04:31.16 | timeless | i'll be back in ~90mins i suppose |
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| 04:31.35 | trevarthan | k. hopefully I'll be snoring by then. thanks. |
| 04:31.50 | timeless | luria: someday someone should explain how you guys managed to make that vkb file |
| 04:32.00 | timeless | afaict there's no public docs for the xml input file |
| 04:32.07 | Luria | sigh. must everything go at once? |
| 04:32.22 | timeless | trevarthan: btw, that's of course not guaranteed not to change |
| 04:32.26 | timeless | at least, i can't guarantee it |
| 04:32.26 | Luria | sorry, pissed cause my home router seems to have died in the middle of an x session |
| 04:33.01 | trevarthan | timeless: yeah, that's ok. Kagu will probably be obsolete in a few months anyway. :) |
| 04:33.14 | Luria | oh, and i didnt make the vkb, had nothing to do with it... but it saved me from figuring out.. for better or worse |
| 04:33.29 | Luria | but i think there is a problem with the instructions on that page |
| 04:34.35 | Luria | timeless, did you "recompile" (is that the appropriate word?) the fonts? |
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| 04:39.25 | Luria | wow... its like i hit the mute button on the channel... or am mad lagged |
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| 04:41.03 | trevarthan | Luria: timeless said he was going away. |
| 04:41.08 | Luria | ah |
| 04:41.12 | Luria | shoot |
| 04:41.29 | trevarthan | That crap he just told me doesn't make any sense. :) |
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| 04:41.50 | Luria | my nx connection died while i was about to edit the scripts to merge the nokia sys fonts with the oss hebrew fonts |
| 04:41.58 | trevarthan | dbus is like throwing darts blindfolded |
| 04:42.21 | Luria | and now my home router seems dead... |
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| 04:43.32 | Luria | so no vpn, no debian machines, no apache server for safe browsing.... no massive mp3 collection... |
| 04:43.45 | Luria | sigh. |
| 04:43.51 | Luria | i think i may have to go home. |
| 04:44.07 | trevarthan | mmm... that sucks. I've been there |
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| 04:46.00 | Luria | this never happens... the wrt never goes... sometimes its the windows machine with the openvpn endpoint or the apache server on it... but i was sshing direct to my headless debian box... and now nothing works. damn, i wasnt even planning on going home, either. |
| 04:46.14 | Luria | i wish i had a remote hard reboot |
| 04:46.57 | Luria | that didnt depend on the internet, at least... |
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| 04:52.27 | trevarthan | it would need to be TTY based, then. |
| 04:52.42 | trevarthan | asterisk + iaxmodem -> serial TTY maybe |
| 04:53.09 | trevarthan | or maybe just an asterisk password protected IVR with a reboot machines option |
| 04:53.40 | trevarthan | only way in besides the internet, right? the phone line? |
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| 04:57.38 | trevarthan | timeless: when you get back. I wrote some code: http://www.pastebin.ca/656535 |
| 04:58.32 | trevarthan | timeless: I know you hate python. But I hate C. :) Anyway, I send that, and get this from the dbus monitor: signal sender=:1.652 -> dest=(null destination) interface=com.nokia.mce.request; member=powerkey_callback int32 1 |
| 04:58.47 | trevarthan | timeless: and nothing happens. Any ideas? |
| 04:59.33 | trevarthan | but seriously, I gotta get some sleep. laters peeps. |
| 05:01.36 | Luria | yeah, was thinking of setting my openbsd machine to be an asterisk box |
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| 05:24.06 | Luria | is there a openvpn package for the n800? |
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| 05:25.35 | SomeoneE1se | how long does a full charge take on the n800 for a dead battery? |
| 05:27.42 | sparr | technically a "dead" lithium battery cant be charged... :) |
| 05:29.01 | unique311 | yes it can |
| 05:29.14 | unique311 | if its dead you can always get some life back.. |
| 05:29.30 | unique311 | place it in the freezer for 24 hours.. |
| 05:29.33 | unique311 | take it out. |
| 05:29.50 | unique311 | let it sit for about 2... |
| 05:30.09 | unique311 | place it back into the freezer for 24 hours... |
| 05:30.33 | pupnik_ | my battery never stops charging. probably a bug in it2006se |
| 05:30.43 | unique311 | repeat these steps like 5 times |
| 05:30.53 | unique311 | should be good as new. |
| 05:31.03 | pupnik_ | interesting |
| 05:31.28 | unique311 | i thought it was bullshit |
| 05:32.05 | unique311 | tried it, got some time at leas 40+ minutes on my t41p |
| 05:32.50 | unique311 | also remember when i was very young my uncles use to place regular dead AA batteries in the freezer |
| 05:33.10 | unique311 | and they use to work. |
| 05:33.23 | SomeoneE1se | ok |
| 05:33.27 | SomeoneE1se | from an empty battery |
| 05:33.37 | Luria | to increase conductivity? or ambient humidity? |
| 05:34.01 | unique311 | not sure of the science behind it... |
| 05:34.20 | SomeoneE1se | I just got a replacement n800 for my borked one and want to know how long to let it charge before I play with it |
| 05:34.51 | unique311 | play with it while its charging |
| 05:34.52 | unique311 | lol |
| 05:35.01 | Luria | amen |
| 05:35.31 | unique311 | i didn't even charge my batteries when i got my n800 |
| 05:35.51 | unique311 | pop the batteries in it, and started messing around with it. |
| 05:37.35 | Luria | sorry for the long paste, but |
| 05:37.38 | Luria | 1. It is a VERY bad idea to fully discharge Lithium-Ion batteries. Once Li-ion batteries are discharged below ~2.75v (per cell) an unreversible chemical reaction happens that degrades the overall capacity depending on how low the voltage gets and how long the battery stays in such a state. You should note that your discharge->freezer->charge->repeat method will only help NIMH or NICD batteries. Also, the freezer step does nothing, just w |
| 05:37.38 | Luria | astes time. One more thing, also shouldn't discharge the pack down to 0v. If you have a single weak cell in a pack, discharging to 0v could reverse the voltage in the weak cell from the other cells discharging though it. A reverse charge will make the cell weaker... How to properly cycle a NIMH or NICD battery pack: 1. Discharge the pack to 0.6v per cell (See below for info) at C/10 (see below for info) for the first cycle, C/4 for each |
| 05:37.38 | Luria | following cycle. 2. Charge the pack at C/20 for 25 hours the first two or three cycles, after that use normal charger. 3. Rinse, repeat, wipe hands on pants. Per cell example: 14.4v pack, 14.4/1.2=12 cells, discharge to 7.2v C/*: C/* = total capacity in mAh divided by *. Example: C/4, 1000mAh pack = 250mAh (dis)charge current. |
| 05:37.53 | Luria | be wary of the freezer |
| 05:38.24 | Luria | it used to be a rapid discharge method for reconditioning |
| 05:39.21 | pupnik_ | do the tablets auto power down before the battery goes fully discharged? |
| 05:39.25 | pupnik_ | (one would hope so) |
| 05:39.50 | SomeoneE1se | unique311 that's what I didi too |
| 05:39.54 | Luria | i believe so |
| 05:39.56 | rwhitby | pupnik_: mine has done so |
| 05:40.10 | Luria | mine always has |
| 05:40.23 | SomeoneE1se | but the battry would say 4 hours of use left and then 30 mins later it would just shut off |
| 05:44.25 | SomeoneE1se | anyone know how to fast forward mplayer |
| 05:44.31 | SomeoneE1se | or even pause it |
| 05:56.05 | sparr | arrows? |
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| 05:59.47 | Luria | "mplayer -input pause" i think |
| 05:59.57 | Luria | http://web.njit.edu/all_topics/Prog_Lang_Docs/html/mplayer/ |
| 06:06.21 | timeless | luria: nope, i'm reviewing logs from about 9months ago and writing complaints based on them |
| 06:06.22 | timeless | trevarthan: sorry, nope. all i can do is read code which is essentially greek, you can try sp3000 he can use the pointers i've spilled and find someone who speaks dbus (or anyone you can find who speaks dbus and has an osso affiliation). |
| 06:06.23 | timeless | fwiw, if it's delivered and mce doesn't like it, it'd complain using its logging callback. you might need to poke mce.ini/DeviceMenu/BlankImmediately/TRUE |
| 06:09.01 | timeless | who wants to be my bugs.maemo angel this morning? |
| 06:09.22 | timeless | (you can have a cloak and dagger if the halo is too uncomfortable) |
| 06:14.36 | timeless | sw: [bad_bug] |
| 06:14.43 | timeless | sw: [useless_bug] |
| 06:17.37 | timeless | sw: [should_have_used_guided] |
| 06:28.06 | Luria | timeless, still here? |
| 06:28.11 | timeless | kinda |
| 06:28.24 | timeless | i'm busy ranting at people because no one would be my angel |
| 06:28.30 | Luria | so you didnt recompile the fonts? |
| 06:28.31 | timeless | (angel ~ messenger) |
| 06:28.47 | Luria | just a question, cause i was about to but my nx session died |
| 06:28.52 | timeless | i don't generally need to read hebrew on my tablet, |
| 06:28.56 | timeless | so, no i haven't |
| 06:29.03 | Luria | to read is easy |
| 06:29.18 | timeless | the last time i'd have wanted it would have been to get the prayer for hanging my mezuzah |
| 06:29.28 | Luria | drop ms arial unicode in .fonts and redo the cache |
| 06:29.33 | timeless | i think i ended up using my laptop |
| 06:29.47 | timeless | (yes, that's stupid, but hey) |
| 06:29.54 | Luria | and its ... likboa mezuzah |
| 06:30.07 | timeless | yeah yeah, i did it |
| 06:30.09 | Luria | :-) |
| 06:30.19 | timeless | i've actually done it twice now i suppose |
| 06:30.54 | Luria | the only reason to do the font recompile is because vkb needs font support in system fonts |
| 06:30.59 | timeless | the first time was cooler, since i got a prayer card from a synagogue's dedication and used it at my apt |
| 06:31.15 | Luria | otherwise the apps work with ms airal unicode ttf |
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| 06:31.28 | Luria | thats pretty neat |
| 06:31.28 | timeless | interesting |
| 06:31.45 | timeless | is that arguably a bug in vkb? |
| 06:31.52 | Luria | i dont think so |
| 06:32.00 | timeless | why not? |
| 06:32.29 | Luria | the vkb relies on one of the system fonts, which isnt a bad choice |
| 06:32.56 | Luria | it should be fixed to something and not treated like an app |
| 06:33.21 | Luria | to my mind its "lower" |
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| 06:33.44 | Luria | the only bad design is that the system fonts dont have 30k+ glyphs :-) |
| 06:34.42 | Luria | if you try the maemo.org hack tho, i think the #/usr/sbin/fontmerge in the scripts has to be changed |
| 06:35.00 | Luria | i think it has to be called with a -c to allow for scripting |
| 06:35.28 | Luria | but my session died just as i started vim |
| 06:35.28 | Luria | errr ..../fontforge |
| 06:36.22 | Luria | know what i mean? |
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| 06:39.21 | Luria | actually, id like to shoot the guy who put the pipe on the second page of symbols somewhere in the middle of the keymap |
| 06:39.43 | Luria | takes me two damn minutes to find it each time |
| 06:41.34 | Luria | timeless, btw, http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_him_bora.html |
| 06:41.36 | straind` | have you tried the UK keyboard? |
| 06:41.48 | Luria | no, does it help? |
| 06:41.56 | straind` | Yeah. Much better. |
| 06:42.00 | Luria | that and the minus key requiring shift |
| 06:42.08 | straind` | Fixes that too. |
| 06:42.19 | Luria | someone should have sent the guy a memo that maemo runs on linux |
| 06:42.42 | Luria | errr... no pun intended... |
| 06:42.42 | timeless | maemo runs on linux? |
| 06:42.44 | straind` | Yeah. Pipe, minus, /bin/play :) |
| 06:43.06 | timeless | luria: i don't get it |
| 06:43.30 | Luria | http://www.arava.co.il/matan/770/heb/fontmerge |
| 06:43.39 | Luria | is the script that merges the fonts |
| 06:43.42 | timeless | oh wow, they actually documented the xml file? |
| 06:43.52 | Luria | yeah thought you knew |
| 06:44.00 | Luria | they did the whole input thing |
| 06:44.10 | timeless | i sent a complaint earlier that they haven't open sourced the xml files we have |
| 06:44.19 | timeless | i don't think i've proof'd the 3-x files |
| 06:44.19 | straind` | Does the phone keypad vs numberpad annoy anyone else? |
| 06:44.25 | timeless | i haven't travelled recently |
| 06:44.33 | timeless | and i think the next time i do, i'm going to be reading the mail specs |
| 06:44.45 | timeless | which sound like they're as stupid as everything else |
| 06:44.57 | Luria | anyway that script merges the fonts on that site kept complaining about the arguments or the tokens supplied |
| 06:45.15 | Luria | this on vanilla debian |
| 06:45.37 | straind` | Has anyone tried flite? |
| 06:45.46 | Luria | which makes sense cause running fontforge starts an x app |
| 06:46.17 | straind` | It seems to have trouble running as user, but it's ok as root. |
| 06:46.27 | Luria | i checked the docs for fontforge, and apparently, adding -c makes it cli/scripting |
| 06:46.51 | Luria | i was about to check my theory, but my connection home died |
| 06:48.18 | Luria | straind`, fontforge for you goes cli without the -c argument? |
| 06:48.53 | straind` | Luria: I was talking about flite, not fontforge. |
| 06:49.00 | Luria | ah |
| 06:49.03 | Luria | sorry |
| 06:49.08 | straind` | I haven't heard of fontforge. :) |
| 06:49.12 | Luria | ive installed it, but i havent tinkered |
| 06:49.25 | Luria | flite, not fontforge :-) |
| 06:49.50 | timeless | context switches can be dangerous :) |
| 06:50.06 | straind` | I'm trying to get kismet to talk to me. :) |
| 06:50.12 | Luria | like women guns and booze |
| 06:50.16 | Luria | kismet works? |
| 06:50.43 | straind` | Yeah. For me at least. I have to reboot after, to get wireless access working. |
| 06:51.00 | Luria | ouch |
| 06:51.19 | Luria | now that i mention it, finnish guns are nice. |
| 06:51.27 | straind` | I don't mind too much because I don't run kismet too often. |
| 06:52.17 | straind` | This is pretty neat. I can run flite over SSH and have it start talking wherever it is. :) |
| 06:54.02 | unique311 | hmmm |
| 06:54.27 | Luria | straind`, wait, ssh runs on your desktop and outputs to your n800? |
| 06:54.54 | Luria | im not getting something |
| 06:54.54 | straind` | Yeah. I can make my n770 talk by using SSH from my desktop. |
| 06:55.11 | Luria | oh i see |
| 06:55.30 | Luria | you could output the channel text to your 770 |
| 06:55.30 | straind` | SSH *to* the n770 :) |
| 06:55.46 | Luria | then we all can annoy you to no end |
| 06:56.00 | straind` | Luria: Yeah. If I only knew how to do it, I could do it. :) |
| 06:58.14 | straind` | I suppose, if I had to I would glue it together with HTTP. mIRC would make an HTTP request for every channel message and the n770 would take the input and pass it to flite. |
| 06:59.33 | straind` | Anyone have a (cli) way to make the 770 play a sound file? |
| 07:00.17 | Luria | http://www.oreilly.com/pub/h/1963 |
| 07:00.18 | Luria | :-) |
| 07:00.43 | Luria | umm mplayer? |
| 07:07.36 | straind` | umm nope? :) |
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| 07:10.21 | straind` | Ok. After several seconds delay (and pages of GLIB WARNING), it played an mp3. |
| 07:14.24 | straind` | I don't know why it won't play a wav file, but I need to go to bed an hour ago. |
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| 07:39.18 | guardian | morning |
| 07:39.19 | _Monkey | aloha |
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| 07:40.46 | AD-N770 | good morning |
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| 08:14.51 | pupnik_ | gp2x successor might have the tablet's 800x480 screen |
| 08:16.06 | pupnik_ | would be neat if they just could cut a deal with nokia for a version of the N900 with gamepad controls |
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| 08:16.54 | dazgard | hi here :) |
| 08:17.02 | pupnik_ | moo |
| 08:17.08 | dazgard | are there any plan to get pulseaudio on the n800 ? |
| 08:17.17 | pupnik_ | wazzat |
| 08:17.35 | dazgard | pulseaudio is a sound server |
| 08:17.40 | dazgard | http://pulseaudio.org/ |
| 08:19.15 | dazgard | imagine, you have your headphone, listening to your favorite tunes, outdoor, and once you connect to your home network (wifi,...), the sound is automaticaly routed to your desktop audio system ? |
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| 08:19.40 | dazgard | http://www.gnome.org/mobile/ |
| 08:19.58 | dazgard | have a look at the "Technologies in Incubation" section :) |
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| 08:22.21 | Nermal | woo |
| 08:22.23 | Nermal | morning |
| 08:22.23 | _Monkey | aloha |
| 08:22.34 | dazgard | hi |
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| 08:23.05 | pupnik_ | dazgard: is there a curses or gtk2 client |
| 08:23.56 | dazgard | there are gtk2 utilities |
| 08:24.43 | dazgard | for the volume, sound server choice, |
| 08:25.19 | dazgard | pulseaudio is really a good piece of software |
| 08:26.22 | dazgard | it does support alsa/arts/oss/esound... apromatively any linux sound piece |
| 08:27.18 | pupnik_ | you won't see official support, but a third party could build a client |
| 08:28.57 | dazgard | i think in a near future, this software will be the default GNU/linux audio interface ;) |
| 08:29.42 | pupnik_ | what about jack? |
| 08:29.49 | dazgard | im using on all my linux boxes |
| 08:29.59 | dazgard | it does support jack too :) |
| 08:30.22 | pupnik_ | what does it replace? |
| 08:30.33 | dazgard | and what's really cool, it does not add extra latency |
| 08:31.03 | dazgard | it does not replace anything, the approche was to embrace :) |
| 08:31.34 | dazgard | but i think, it should replace all of them :) |
| 08:32.06 | dazgard | the latency provided is really suited for professionnal audio work |
| 08:32.15 | pupnik_ | you face an uphill battle convincing people why they should want it |
| 08:32.17 | dazgard | im using ardour, for recordoing |
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| 08:32.53 | pupnik_ | ardour doesn't need pulse |
| 08:33.22 | dazgard | yes, but ardour do need jack :) |
| 08:33.38 | pupnik_ | i can understand jack |
| 08:34.00 | dazgard | and it is not suited to use jack as a default sound "server" |
| 08:34.40 | dazgard | for programmers, one simple api (no more alsa/oss/portaudio/.....) |
| 08:34.56 | dazgard | for users, it's simply wonderful |
| 08:35.00 | pupnik_ | geez i just built portaudio for the nokias |
| 08:36.17 | dazgard | imagine, you're in your room, listening to a song, and you want your friend/brother/sister in the other room to listing too |
| 08:36.32 | pupnik_ | so i run icecast |
| 08:36.37 | dazgard | lol |
| 08:37.08 | dazgard | just try pulse, and you will understand what i mean ;) |
| 08:37.29 | pupnik_ | icecast can stream from an internal player, or play back whatever my soundcard hears |
| 08:37.56 | pupnik_ | so i can stream any currently playing source (radio, mp3s, cds) |
| 08:38.31 | pupnik_ | (icecast+darkice) |
| 08:38.33 | dazgard | yes, i understand, but the include an other piece of software |
| 08:39.26 | pupnik_ | i am being obtuse, but it has a purpose |
| 08:40.41 | dazgard | man, but the way do you know of any binary for ecasound for the n800 please ? |
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| 08:42.25 | dazgard | im recording audio with ardour (im writing reggae songs), and i would like to record my ideas as fast as i can (on the road to work,....) and ecasound on the n800 would be really cool |
| 08:44.34 | pupnik_ | ecasound: Unmet build dependencies: libsndfile1-dev (>= 1.0.17-2) python-dev ladspa-sdk (>= 1.0.LGPL-3) libreadline5-dev libjack0.100.0-dev libsamplerate0-dev hevea texlive-base-bin texlive-base texlive-latex-extra yodl ruby1.8 ruby python-docutils python-support (>= 0.4.0) |
| 08:46.31 | Luria | ooh that made me dizzy |
| 08:47.09 | timeless | python and ruby? |
| 08:47.17 | timeless | what is that. make_World |
| 08:47.32 | pupnik_ | buildpackage |
| 08:49.04 | pupnik_ | ardour looks better |
| 08:49.04 | dazgard | im going to get the maemo sdk and try to build it |
| 08:49.05 | pupnik_ | Unmet build dependencies: patchutils (>= 0.2.25) libsndfile1-dev libsamplerate0-dev liblrdf0-dev (>= 0.3.1-4) ladspa-sdk (>= 1.1-2) libjack-dev libgtkmm-2.4-dev libgnomecanvasmm-2.6-dev libgnomecanvas2-dev libglademm-2.4-dev libboost-dev libsoundtouch1-dev liblo0-dev libcairomm-1.0-dev (>= 1.2.4) |
| 08:49.32 | dazgard | ardour on the n800 ? |
| 08:49.32 | dazgard | lol |
| 08:49.32 | dazgard | why not :D |
| 08:49.40 | pupnik_ | jsut from a dependencies standpoint |
| 08:50.24 | pupnik_ | you'll have problems with read/write speed to mmc on the 770. dunno about n800 |
| 08:52.39 | unique311 | so who else use their device besides disq without scratch protector thingie |
| 08:52.41 | unique311 | ?? |
| 08:52.58 | Luria | not i |
| 08:53.00 | pupnik_ | that is unknowable |
| 08:53.49 | pupnik_ | Does the N800 scratch more eaily than the 770? |
| 08:54.06 | Luria | crap. not the unknowable! |
| 08:54.32 | Luria | :-) |
| 08:54.43 | dazgard | unique311: 6months im using the default protctor since :) |
| 08:55.43 | Luria | really? i found the stylus to be cutting the default plastic on the n800 after three weeks |
| 08:55.49 | pupnik_ | btw there are high-quality USB ADCs for professional recording |
| 08:57.17 | Luria | speaking of hostmode with imaginary objects... |
| 08:57.28 | unique311 | i got rid of the default protector 3 weeks into it |
| 08:57.42 | unique311 | the ones i'm using now are like rubber |
| 08:57.47 | unique311 | not very fond of them.. |
| 08:57.54 | Luria | is there any hope for something like this... http://www.3g.co.uk/PR/June2006/3243.htm ...to work? |
| 08:57.59 | unique311 | when i try to draw with it..not too fun. |
| 09:01.46 | dazgard | pupnik_: im using the ua-20, but this is really not for professional recording |
| 09:01.46 | pupnik_ | btw dazgard before you think about 'hard disc' recording on a tablet, check your write speed |
| 09:02.00 | pupnik_ | date ; dd bs=1M count=100 if=/dev/random of=/media/mmc1/bigfile.wav ; date |
| 09:02.13 | dazgard | ok, gonna test this :) |
| 09:02.32 | pupnik_ | 16-bit 44.1khz stereo requires 176kB/s |
| 09:03.10 | dazgard | i do not really need 16-bit 44.1khz stereo :) |
| 09:03.25 | dazgard | it's just not to forget the good ideas :) |
| 09:03.59 | pupnik_ | you can use the built-in microphone for ideas |
| 09:04.23 | dazgard | yes, that's what im doing for the moment |
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| 09:05.12 | dazgard | using maemo recorder, but maemo recorder is not good for those kind of things, and it is quiete buggy too |
| 09:11.23 | pupnik_ | btw that /dev/random input doesn't work with dd and bs=1m for some reason (on 770) |
| 09:12.20 | pupnik_ | strange, writing 10MB took under a second and writing 100 is running over a minute |
| 09:12.40 | dazgard | buffereing ? |
| 09:13.18 | pupnik_ | using if=/dev/zero ... straange |
| 09:14.58 | pupnik_ | writing 20MB yielded 606kB/s |
| 09:15.27 | pupnik_ | so you might be able to implement a 4-track recorder on the 770 with default kernel |
| 09:16.37 | dazgard | :) |
| 09:17.40 | dazgard | im running the 100M timing test on my n800 |
| 09:18.09 | dazgard | the n800 hardware is wonderful |
| 09:18.58 | dazgard | the only problem for me withit is the camera, when using it with the "camera software" from nokia, man, this is sooooo slooooooow :( |
| 09:21.01 | dazgard | i also hope to have a webkit based browser, cause the mozilla based one is too slow too |
| 09:21.26 | pupnik_ | 'simple multitrack recorder' builds fine |
| 09:21.42 | pupnik_ | mix 2 1 .3 .3 drums .4 .3 bass 1.3 .9 synth | srp > vocal |
| 09:21.42 | pupnik_ | Vocal track is recorded while listening to mix of drums, bass, and synth |
| 09:21.57 | dazgard | that's what im looking for man !!! |
| 09:23.46 | pupnik_ | http://pupnik.de/SMR_maemo_001.tgz |
| 09:24.46 | pupnik_ | no idea whether srp works with the mic input |
| 09:24.47 | dazgard | do you have any link please ? |
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| 09:25.06 | pupnik_ | http://www.w140.com/audio/ |
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| 09:25.45 | sbaturzio | Aloha! |
| 09:25.45 | _Monkey | Guten Tag, sbaturzio! |
| 09:26.14 | dazgard | thanks man |
| 09:26.18 | dazgard | sbaturzio: Aloha! |
| 09:26.19 | _Monkey | Guten Tag, dazgard! |
| 09:26.27 | dazgard | _Monkey: hi |
| 09:26.28 | _Monkey | niihau, dazgard |
| 09:26.34 | dazgard | ? |
| 09:27.29 | pupnik_ | _Monkey: botsnack |
| 09:27.30 | _Monkey | :) |
| 09:27.31 | unique311 | lol |
| 09:28.00 | unique311 | love these monkey momments |
| 09:30.06 | pupnik_ | _Monkey: MITM is a 'Monkey in the middle' attack to compromise secure communications: http://monkey.org/~dugsong/dsniff/faq.html |
| 09:30.06 | _Monkey | OK, pupnik_. |
| 09:30.54 | pupnik_ | that worked well :) |
| 09:31.19 | pupnik_ | dsniff? |
| 09:32.24 | pupnik_ | _Monkey, dsniff is a collection of tools for network auditing and penetration testing. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/dsniff/ also ask me about MITM |
| 09:32.25 | _Monkey | OK, pupnik_. |
| 09:33.24 | pupnik_ | pcsx? |
| 09:34.55 | pupnik_ | _Monkey, pcsx is an open-source Playstation 1 emulator. An unoptimized build is available at http://pupnik.de/pcsx.html Its purpose is to frustrate users and annoy zodttd into porting psx4all to maemo. |
| 09:34.55 | _Monkey | OK, pupnik_. |
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| 09:38.54 | pupnik | Can anybody help me port drpocketsnes to maemo? |
| 09:38.56 | pupnik | WIP here... http://pupnik.de/DrPocketSnes_Nokia_The_Horror.tgz |
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| 09:48.12 | unique311 | pupnik, what kind of errors are you getting? |
| 09:49.49 | pupnik | the various modules need to be made to work with one another |
| 09:50.15 | pupnik | iow this isn't a recompile with a few tweaks, but getting into the guts of it |
| 09:50.59 | pupnik | I'm going to wait for v7 to come out, start over, and document the work |
| 09:51.12 | pupnik | so the snes folks can tell me what i'm doing wroang |
| 09:51.32 | timeless | _monkey seen kender |
| 09:51.33 | _Monkey | kender was last seen on #maemo 28 days, 19 hours, 25 minutes and 39 seconds ago, saying: hi [Mon Jul 16 15:24:34 2007] |
| 09:52.14 | pupnik | _monkey seen zodttd |
| 09:52.15 | _Monkey | zodttd was last seen on #maemo 2 days, 6 hours, 56 minutes and 59 seconds ago, saying: wb pupnik_ [Sun Aug 12 03:53:56 2007] |
| 09:53.41 | pupnik | damn, missed him. At least he's alive :) |
| 09:54.24 | kulve | _Monkey seen _Monkey |
| 09:54.24 | _Monkey | I haven't seen '_Monkey', kulve |
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| 09:57.50 | dazgard | how can i add the key for "http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com" to my repositories please ? |
| 09:58.01 | dazgard | can't find it nowhere |
| 09:58.01 | dazgard | :s |
| 09:58.18 | unique311 | why are all the nitendo ds emulators for windows |
| 09:59.51 | pupnik | http://desmume.org/ |
| 10:00.58 | unique311 | you are fast pupnik |
| 10:01.19 | unique311 | someone on itt wants a port.. |
| 10:01.39 | unique311 | going to see how hard it is to make it happen..and then hit them with bad news |
| 10:03.57 | unique311 | strange first time i've gotten a pkg-config not avail. |
| 10:04.45 | pupnik | ac_tool_prefix isn't getting set right |
| 10:05.13 | pupnik | :1 |
| 10:05.52 | timeless | _monkey lle? |
| 10:05.53 | _Monkey | timeless: no idea |
| 10:06.56 | pupnik | unique311: configure line 698: ac_tool_prefix="/scratchbox/tools/bin/" |
| 10:07.24 | pupnik | oops hmm |
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| 10:07.59 | unique311 | i have another issue |
| 10:08.12 | unique311 | usually whe configure fails.. |
| 10:10.03 | pupnik | checking for /scratchbox/tools/bin/pkg-config... no |
| 10:10.05 | pupnik | wtf |
| 10:10.08 | dazgard | stupid question, but how can i have a /dev/dsp on the n800 plz ? |
| 10:10.19 | dazgard | seems there's no oss support |
| 10:10.40 | dazgard | does not the installed alsa have backward compatibility ? |
| 10:10.48 | pupnik | dazgard: i wish i knew. there's an aoss wrapper you can build but it doesn't do it |
| 10:10.59 | pupnik | dazgard: if you can figure that out, snes9x will have sound |
| 10:11.24 | pupnik | http://pupnik.de/alsa-oss_1.0.8-1_armel.deb |
| 10:11.30 | dazgard | cool |
| 10:11.31 | dazgard | :) |
| 10:11.35 | timeless | we ship alsa |
| 10:11.49 | unique311 | pupnik still MIA |
| 10:11.51 | timeless | at least in 4.2007 there's alsa-lib-1.0.10 |
| 10:13.24 | dazgard | :) |
| 10:14.11 | timeless | sardine-20070531/release/alsa-lib-1.0.10/ |
| 10:14.21 | timeless | so it was also in sardine in may |
| 10:15.46 | pupnik | /mnt/initfs/sys/bus/platform/drivers/omap_alsa_mcbsp |
| 10:16.42 | pupnik | dazgard: one question would be 'is it possible to get an alsa oss wrapper running without a kernel module?' |
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| 10:17.31 | pupnik | or is there a simpler way to create a /dev/dsp device? |
| 10:18.09 | timeless | everyone should use gstreamer :) |
| 10:18.32 | timeless | g=good, right? :) |
| 10:19.35 | pupnik | yeah a proper port uses hildon and gstreamer. but a lot of things aren't going to get proper ports due to time constraints |
| 10:21.27 | unique311 | pupnk wrong version.. |
| 10:21.31 | pupnik | it's really two classes of application. one is a real tablet-ized app. another is a desktop linux app that's just a quick compile |
| 10:21.43 | unique311 | seems sourceforge is handing out 0.7.2 |
| 10:21.45 | pupnik | unique311: what do you mean? |
| 10:21.50 | unique311 | you need to grab 0.7.3 |
| 10:21.55 | pupnik | oh ok |
| 10:22.07 | pupnik | url? |
| 10:22.22 | unique311 | on 2 different notebooks |
| 10:22.59 | pupnik | they say 0.7.3 is released but their downloads page only has 0.7.2 |
| 10:23.00 | unique311 | group_id=164579 |
| 10:23.12 | unique311 | on sourceforge |
| 10:23.48 | pupnik | http://sourceforge.net/group_id=164579 |
| 10:23.52 | pupnik | nope |
| 10:24.52 | unique311 | http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=164579 |
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| 10:25.23 | pupnik | ty |
| 10:25.53 | timeless | oh, i'm not actually a fan of gstreamer or anything |
| 10:25.56 | timeless | people just mention it :) |
| 10:25.56 | unique311 | cannot find lGL not good..so thats out of the question |
| 10:27.24 | unique311 | pupnik..the readme has good info.. |
| 10:27.34 | unique311 | how to build different versions. |
| 10:27.40 | unique311 | i just notice it |
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| 10:30.53 | pupnik | the GL stuff needs to be pulled out |
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| 10:32.19 | unique311 | can it be done without screwing up the rest of the source on compile |
| 10:37.25 | pupnik | unique311: got it built - want the changes? |
| 10:37.46 | unique311 | danm.. |
| 10:37.48 | unique311 | you are quick |
| 10:37.55 | unique311 | yeah |
| 10:37.58 | unique311 | send em |
| 10:38.05 | pupnik | it's not much |
| 10:38.42 | unique311 | did you just go into the directory of the version you want to build |
| 10:38.42 | unique311 | thats the route i was going to take |
| 10:38.43 | pupnik | i'm in desmume-0.7.3 |
| 10:38.51 | pupnik | did your configure run though ok? |
| 10:39.17 | unique311 | i did |
| 10:39.48 | unique311 | but make complianed of the gl stuff |
| 10:40.10 | pupnik | one second |
| 10:40.16 | unique311 | but then i notice the different directories |
| 10:40.26 | unique311 | for the specific type you want to build.. |
| 10:40.34 | unique311 | i was going to try the gtk version. |
| 10:40.43 | unique311 | i got an error could not find gtk.h |
| 10:40.51 | unique311 | dejavu |
| 10:41.03 | pupnik | http://pastebin.ca/656731 |
| 10:43.00 | pupnik | that's kinda stupid actually |
| 10:43.18 | pupnik | deleting -DHAVE_GL_GL_H=1 -DHAVE_GL_GLU_H=1 from makefile would be better |
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| 10:45.25 | N800 | wtf |
| 10:45.32 | N800 | internet don't want to work |
| 10:45.36 | N800 | well its working |
| 10:45.40 | N800 | i'm on irc |
| 10:45.53 | N800 | but webbrowsers are not working |
| 10:46.13 | N800 | oh |
| 10:46.16 | N800 | its ie |
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| 10:47.07 | N800 | pupnik, its pastebin man.. |
| 10:47.11 | N800 | its not going thru |
| 10:47.44 | pupnik | forget the pastebin - it was stoopid - just delete -DHAVE_GL_GL_H=1 -DHAVE_GL_GLU_H=1 from the makefile and you should be good to make |
| 10:47.53 | N800 | k |
| 10:49.32 | pupnik | looks like it lays out the dual screen vertically, which isn't good for the tablet |
| 10:50.41 | N800 | i don't have those entries in my makefile.. |
| 10:51.01 | N800 | so it runs on the 770? |
| 10:51.24 | N800 | I'll wait for you to upload the your modified source. |
| 10:51.32 | pupnik | ? |
| 10:51.59 | pupnik | yeah it runs - looking for a public domain ds rom |
| 10:52.09 | pupnik | then it will need a different layout |
| 10:52.20 | N800 | should be easy to do. |
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| 10:52.29 | N800 | thiers an irc channel on freenode for desmume |
| 10:52.38 | N800 | #desmume |
| 10:54.26 | pupnik | ok open configure, line 5577 and remove -lGL and -lGLU |
| 10:54.31 | pupnik | rerun configure |
| 10:54.47 | pupnik | then you should have a amkefile with the HAVE_GL defines |
| 10:55.03 | pupnik | remove the HAVE_GL defines in the makefile and dsmemu will build without gl |
| 10:56.51 | N800 | not sure we have the same file man.. |
| 10:56.53 | N800 | lol |
| 10:57.25 | N800 | configure line 5577 does not contain that line |
| 10:58.27 | pupnik | well the code is fine. just need to pull out the GL -DEFINES and the -lGL and -lGLU |
| 10:59.09 | N800 | k, so can't i just get your modified source code, when you get a chance to upload it. |
| 10:59.28 | pupnik | the source is unmodified :P |
| 10:59.36 | N800 | i know why i don't have the same entries as you |
| 10:59.43 | N800 | i ran ./autogen.sh |
| 11:01.58 | N800 | yep that was it |
| 11:02.09 | pupnik | ok i was wrong - i do have to comment out #define INCLUDE_OPENGL_2D in src/cli/main.c |
| 11:03.24 | N800 | i removed line 5577 |
| 11:03.32 | N800 | and it compile straight thru |
| 11:03.44 | N800 | without having to modify makefile |
| 11:04.22 | pupnik | ok i think configure might have found some remnant of mesaGL i had installed |
| 11:05.12 | N800 | k so it compile and installed for me.. |
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| 11:05.24 | N800 | now what get a dsrom and hope for the best |
| 11:05.46 | N800 | there's a couple of roms on the dsemu site |
| 11:06.29 | N800 | http://www.double.co.nz/nintendo_ds/dsemu.html |
| 11:07.47 | N800 | http://ndshb.com |
| 11:12.01 | N800 | feck seg fault |
| 11:12.09 | pupnik | just crashes here with YASFcave.nds |
| 11:12.46 | N800 | got a segfault using the desmume-cli |
| 11:12.59 | N800 | gtk just gave me a fatal signal |
| 11:13.19 | N800 | you try running with different flags |
| 11:13.20 | pupnik | i just get a 'Killed' message |
| 11:14.35 | N800 | seg faults here |
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| 11:18.33 | pupnik | well go to main.c - the SDL video mode is set to 32 and it needs to be 16 |
| 11:18.40 | pupnik | but that might break other things |
| 11:18.46 | pupnik | cli/main.c |
| 11:19.12 | pupnik | whoah it works in sb |
| 11:20.02 | N800 | nice |
| 11:20.05 | N800 | lol |
| 11:21.16 | pupnik | http://pastebin.ca/656753 |
| 11:24.49 | N800 | nothing here still |
| 11:27.50 | pupnik | on the scratchbox i get Fatal signal: Segmentation Fault (SDL Parachute Deployed) and on 770 it starts |
| 11:28.03 | N800 | ok |
| 11:28.14 | pupnik | with desmume (not cli) |
| 11:31.37 | pupnik | nice gtk UI though - no problems with that |
| 11:31.50 | N800 | what about the double screen |
| 11:31.54 | N800 | sucks/? |
| 11:35.01 | pupnik | actually it's only 384 high |
| 11:35.12 | pupnik | playing 'birds' on the pc now - about 12 fps |
| 11:36.27 | pupnik | np: Ella Fitzgerald and Chick Webb - When I get Low I get High |
| 11:42.16 | konttori | wow: pretty harsh critic on the nokia E90: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/08/02/nokia_new_coke/ |
| 11:47.38 | N800 | pupnik, desmume-cli on n800 1.3 fps |
| 11:47.39 | N800 | lol |
| 11:47.47 | N800 | running a tetris homebrew.. |
| 11:47.59 | pupnik | what did you do to get it running? |
| 11:48.01 | N800 | going to try the frameskips on the gtk version |
| 11:48.15 | N800 | run desmume-cli tetris.nds |
| 11:48.25 | N800 | the screen is small |
| 11:48.30 | N800 | so small |
| 11:48.32 | N800 | lol |
| 11:48.46 | N800 | 1.33 now |
| 11:49.23 | florian | konttori: understandable to some extend, but some parts (like the e61 vs. Q9 comparison) are bullshit. |
| 11:49.24 | N800 | 3 fps in the gtk version |
| 11:50.35 | konttori | Well, I haven't really looked at Q9, so can't comment on that. |
| 11:50.55 | florian | konttori: imho the E90 is a great product, but it makes some limitations of S60 pretty obvious... |
| 11:51.17 | konttori | Indeed, and their critic on dropping the s80 platform was pretty good imho. |
| 11:51.19 | N800 | 10fps with the frameskip |
| 11:52.57 | pupnik | impressive - it's emulating an ARM9 67mhz and arm7 33mhz CPU |
| 11:53.29 | N800 | 20 fps |
| 11:53.37 | N800 | top it i think |
| 11:53.52 | N800 | but the n800 is not responding too well now |
| 11:53.55 | florian | konttori: yes... well, S60 is not designed to be that flexible obviously. S80 hat mich more benefits for more experienced users. |
| 11:54.03 | N800 | must be sucking up resources |
| 11:54.04 | florian | s/mich/much |
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| 11:54.22 | pupnik | nice N800 - let the guys in #desmume know |
| 12:00.21 | N800 | wow |
| 12:00.33 | three- | wow? |
| 12:00.33 | N800 | desmume at a whopping 92 cpu usage |
| 12:00.41 | N800 | 38 on memory |
| 12:00.42 | N800 | lol |
| 12:00.47 | three- | nice |
| 12:00.54 | N800 | bad.. |
| 12:01.05 | N800 | n800 might blow up if im not careful |
| 12:01.16 | pupnik | emus should use all available cpu |
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| 12:05.04 | pupnik | N800 try a game that uses 3d |
| 12:05.18 | N800 | hmmm |
| 12:05.30 | pupnik | get any other apps running? |
| 12:05.37 | N800 | that would definitely blow my n800 up |
| 12:05.49 | N800 | windDS |
| 12:06.09 | N800 | a little program base game |
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| 12:06.32 | N800 | it has p tic tac toe notes, calculator |
| 12:06.37 | N800 | a couple of more things |
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| 12:13.44 | pupnik | wow hildon comes from the Psion folks according to theregister |
| 12:13.59 | whaq | http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/08/14/japan.biker.reut/index.html?iref=mpstoryview |
| 12:14.55 | robtaylor | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:22.54 | pupnik | well as far as i'm concerned windows (and windows mobile) is 'The Ultimate Evil'. |
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| 12:29.01 | pupnik_ | oh rehi... T-Online shop in germany lists the Nokia 800 Internet Tablet - Mobiltelefon |
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| 12:40.40 | straind` | Has anyone had any success with connecting to a bluetooth device via serial? |
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| 12:45.06 | pupnik_ | Openmoko online shop: Sold out! |
| 12:45.08 | pupnik_ | :) |
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| 12:48.07 | gla55_ | how many they had? |
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| 12:48.38 | pupnik_ | dunno, but i'm rooting for them |
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| 12:58.14 | pupnik_ | the neo is a good deal uglier than iphone though :/ the bezel on the side of the screen is too bulky |
| 12:58.28 | pupnik_ | http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/491095441/ |
| 12:58.58 | pupnik_ | probably good for stability/protection tho |
| 12:59.51 | pupnik_ | without the case: http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/494571426/in/photostream/ |
| 13:00.35 | bipolar | The production version is going to have WiFi too... |
| 13:01.01 | gla55_ | designwise yea i don't think much of the neo |
| 13:01.14 | gla55_ | not hw-featwise either tho |
| 13:01.26 | gla55_ | hsdpa spoiled |
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| 13:09.10 | pupnik_ | of course with a tablet... just need UMTS for mobile data - and the benq-siemens EF81 is under 100 euro now |
| 13:10.40 | Crofton|home | koen, for 2430sdp, I renamed u-boot bb file to u-boot-omap2430sdp_1.2.0.bb |
| 13:10.52 | Crofton|home | how can I specify that u-boot in machine file? |
| 13:10.54 | N800 | pupnik |
| 13:10.54 | _Monkey | pupnik is here |
| 13:11.00 | Crofton|home | arg |
| 13:11.05 | N800 | neopop 60fps |
| 13:11.18 | pupnik_ | what frameskip? |
| 13:11.18 | N800 | screen is way too small. for usage |
| 13:11.24 | N800 | fps |
| 13:11.53 | pupnik_ | ohh |
| 13:14.16 | kulve | lardman: some questions about the dsp stuff.. Do you have a minute? |
| 13:15.31 | lardman | kulve: yep, fire away |
| 13:17.10 | N800 | good frameskip on it |
| 13:17.22 | N800 | yeah this is a good one. |
| 13:17.25 | kulve | lardman: about block transfers |
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| 13:18.21 | lardman | kulve: yes |
| 13:18.34 | kulve | lardman: if the data is short * (16bit) on the ARM side and I transfer it to dsp side and handle it as char * (16bit), do I need to make any conversions? |
| 13:19.13 | lardman | kulve: no, but you may as well handle it as short on the DSP side as char==short on the DSP (would mean fewer changes to the code and make it more understandable) |
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| 13:19.49 | kulve | ok. And the byte order is the same? |
| 13:20.11 | lardman | for shorts, yes... |
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| 13:20.39 | lardman | I guessed for the G.711 and it came out right, so the ARM and DSP should be the same |
| 13:20.41 | kulve | I tried to find some docs telling that but failed to find anything useful.. |
| 13:20.49 | lardman | I have something, let me do some digging |
| 13:23.13 | kulve | lardman: and I have e.g. char[256] and transfer it to DSP side, I have char[128] there, with 16bit chars, and I need to make some bit shifting to get char[256] where only the 8bits of each 16bit chars would be used? |
| 13:23.17 | kulve | +if |
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| 13:24.17 | lardman | yes that's what you'd have to do. I don;t know whether making a larger array to pass of 8bits in 16bit variables would be slower than doing this on the DSP or vice versa |
| 13:25.16 | lardman | did that make sense, pretty confusing now I read it |
| 13:25.32 | kulve | it did :) |
| 13:25.49 | kulve | I'm not needing that at least now, just want to know how things work.. |
| 13:26.01 | kulve | i.e. I'm working with 16bits |
| 13:26.26 | kulve | other question. Is there some sort of memory allocation functions for dsp..? |
| 13:27.03 | zaf | the openmoko have bluetooth? |
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| 13:29.13 | lardman | kulve: Dunno, but I presume so, there's a c/c++ programming guide for the DSP. Take a look here: http://www.ti.com/sc/docs/psheets/man_dsp.htm |
| 13:29.53 | lardman | scroll down to the section starting "TMS320C55x DSPs" |
| 13:30.37 | kulve | I actually opened the c55 user guid. It included >700 pages ;) |
| 13:30.41 | kulve | +e |
| 13:31.10 | lardman | Right, take a look at the DSPgateway spec pdf, search for the Endianism section |
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| 13:31.51 | lardman | http://dspgateway.sourceforge.net/pub/3.3.1/DSP_Gateway331_spec_a.pdf |
| 13:32.14 | lardman | got to pop out, ask away and I'll answer when I get back |
| 13:34.53 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 13:34.55 | kulve | lardman|afk: how about tctl command return variables? What should I return in TCTL_TINIT error? |
| 13:48.39 | lardman|afk | kulve: look at p78 of the DSP gateway spec |
| 13:48.59 | lardman|afk | kulve: says which of the TCTL commands should or shouldn't return values |
| 13:49.17 | lardman|afk | kulve: I think init should return zero or an error code (which is defined) |
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| 13:50.43 | lardman|afk | I'm having second thoughts about malloc() etc, |
| 13:51.25 | kulve | hmm.. Where do I find the defined error IDs..? |
| 13:52.00 | kulve | tokliBIOS.h |
| 13:52.28 | lardman|afk | kulve: p60, look at EXMAP if you need to define buffers at runtime (I think...) |
| 13:53.26 | lardman|afk | also p98 |
| 13:53.29 | kulve | well, I think I'll manage without those.. |
| 13:53.40 | lardman|afk | What are you writing then? |
| 13:53.54 | kulve | I'm trying to get speex running.. |
| 13:53.59 | lardman|afk | cool |
| 13:54.04 | kulve | currently speex_encoder_init fails |
| 13:54.10 | kulve | and It doesn't do much |
| 13:54.29 | lardman|afk | what's the failure? |
| 13:54.40 | kulve | it returns null.. |
| 13:54.41 | lardman|afk | compile or runtime? |
| 13:54.43 | kulve | runtime |
| 13:54.58 | kulve | I haven't yet added any debug "prints" there |
| 13:55.13 | lardman|afk | Is that on the DSP-side or the ARM-side |
| 13:55.14 | lardman|afk | ? |
| 13:55.27 | kulve | dsp side |
| 13:56.01 | kulve | the c5x port of speex uses char array to replace malloc |
| 13:56.21 | disq | btw we released Kagu Media Player 1.0.5 today, fixes some perm errors in 1.0.4 and some more enhancements from trunk |
| 13:56.22 | lardman|afk | with a pre-existing maximum size? |
| 13:56.56 | kulve | hmm.. Actually the speex_alloc has fprints inside VERBOSE_ALLOC defines which I undeffed.. I need to change those to DBG()s to see if they fail.. |
| 13:57.28 | kulve | static char spxHeap[SPEEX_PERSIST_STACK_SIZE]; |
| 13:57.32 | lardman|afk | Are you block sending? |
| 13:57.37 | kulve | yes |
| 13:57.50 | kulve | but that actually now fails already in init |
| 13:57.55 | lardman|afk | I have a feeling that word sending (for commands) with shared memory might be a better way to do it |
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| 13:58.12 | lardman|afk | that's the way the Nokia dsp sinks appear to work |
| 13:58.36 | kulve | I think I don't need to send any commands.. |
| 13:58.51 | lardman|afk | well, to get it to stop and start perhaps? |
| 13:59.06 | lardman|afk | or pause |
| 13:59.20 | kulve | it initializes on open and dies on close |
| 13:59.32 | kulve | no need for pause |
| 13:59.33 | lardman|afk | fair enough |
| 13:59.42 | kulve | I just feed the data to it and get it back encoded |
| 14:01.09 | kulve | but I'll add the debugs and see if they tell me more |
| 14:01.31 | lardman|afk | I had some failures because I'd mixed up the task type flags |
| 14:01.46 | lardman|afk | they resulted in the task not starting up |
| 14:01.48 | kulve | lardman|afk: btw. what sized data types there are? char = short = 16bit. Int? long double? |
| 14:02.00 | kulve | mine does start, I see that from the debugs |
| 14:02.06 | lardman|afk | that's all in the c/c++ programmers guide iirc |
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| 14:03.29 | lardman|afk | p118 (5-2) of that guide (called spru281f.pdf) |
| 14:03.34 | kulve | I find only " TMS320C55x Optimizing C/C++ Compiler User's Guide" |
| 14:04.00 | lardman|afk | that's the one |
| 14:04.16 | lardman|afk | users of compilers are programmers in my view ;) |
| 14:04.16 | kulve | "optimizing compiler" sounds scary ;) |
| 14:04.30 | lardman|afk | p122 for the table |
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| 14:06.38 | lardman|afk | I see there's complete ASM for a JPEG decoder in spra615.pdf. For an earlier DSP, but looks interesting |
| 14:07.06 | lardman|afk | away again |
| 14:11.04 | kulve | lardman: thx |
| 14:11.09 | lardman | kulve: np |
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| 14:39.38 | Shurik_ | morning |
| 14:39.39 | _Monkey | aloha |
| 14:40.02 | Shurik_ | anyone able to install and run Kagu on n800? |
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| 14:43.32 | procto | Shurik_: I was |
| 14:43.49 | Shurik_ | for some reason it never launches for me |
| 14:44.01 | Shurik_ | Loading Kagu and then nothing after several seconds. Strange |
| 14:44.18 | procto | are you running the player or the scanner? |
| 14:44.28 | procto | I've only run it like 3-5 times |
| 14:44.37 | procto | but for some reason, I've run the scanner application first every time |
| 14:44.44 | procto | the scanner would launch and close right away |
| 14:44.48 | procto | but then the media player would run fine |
| 14:44.52 | procto | (it would ask me if I want to scan) |
| 14:45.20 | Shurik_ | hmm |
| 14:45.27 | Shurik_ | I tried either one |
| 14:46.24 | Shurik_ | so not sure |
| 14:46.43 | Shurik_ | I'm okay with mediaplayer, but just wanted to see what it does |
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| 14:52.51 | lardman | Shurik_: Launch it from xterm and see what it says? |
| 14:53.10 | Shurik_ | ooh interesting. Let me try |
| 14:53.15 | Shurik_ | I got to reinstall it though ^) |
| 14:53.58 | Shurik_ | what is typical location for installed programs? |
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| 14:55.06 | lardman | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:55.23 | Shurik_ | well now it runs all by itself |
| 14:55.28 | Shurik_ | wicked |
| 14:55.58 | Shurik_ | pretty |
| 14:56.02 | lardman | Might be worth trying to start from the menu again and then looking at the contents of the .desktop file if it doesn't work |
| 14:56.30 | Shurik_ | damn, doesn't read utf-8 tags |
| 14:56.41 | Shurik_ | although something need to be done to ID3 before it can |
| 14:57.29 | Shurik_ | I like it |
| 14:58.00 | Shurik_ | no, now it runs fine... wicked |
| 14:59.43 | Shurik_ | alright, it must be a phenomenon known as "developer's presence" |
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| 15:12.46 | Luria | lol |
| 15:12.54 | Luria | https://www.delta.com/myitinerary/servlet/MyItineraryServlet?cmd=searchBySm |
| 15:13.15 | Luria | check out the favicon |
| 15:13.16 | Shurik_ | ? |
| 15:13.33 | Shurik_ | hmmmmmm |
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| 15:13.42 | Shurik_ | svastika? :) |
| 15:13.51 | Luria | looks like sun to me |
| 15:15.56 | Shurik_ | yes, it is sun |
| 15:15.59 | Shurik_ | good eye |
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| 15:21.23 | bergie_ | http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/maemo_social_news_launched.html |
| 15:22.32 | Nermal | hum |
| 15:22.45 | Nermal | scrolling down on that page gives me lots of the bottom navbars |
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| 15:25.16 | kupsit | Hello |
| 15:25.53 | kupsit | N800 user here. Lovin it |
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| 15:40.13 | straind` | cfxstftscdfcfcfdgerrrryetyteytgyyetreytgvryyrtyvtryrtetrvfyrfyerfyehr |
| 15:40.30 | straind` | cdxsfdw5rere6r635t6etvgsfatwre |
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| 15:41.02 | Shurik_ | straind: oh yeah? |
| 15:41.03 | _Monkey | yeah is there a map that kinda puts all that into a table so people new to the maemo scene have an easier time of it? :) |
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| 15:42.07 | Shurik_ | okay, tell your cat to get off the keyboard |
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| 15:43.46 | Shurik_ | frogpad? |
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| 15:46.22 | mgedmin | straind`: there's a cat on your keyboard |
| 15:46.25 | sparrw | i wish the 770 made a noise immediately when it started to boot... would be nice feedback when im not looking at it |
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| 15:46.45 | straind` | h |
| 15:47.07 | Shurik_ | cat that knows Alt+ sequences |
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| 15:49.22 | Shurik_ | and this is what happens when coffe with extra sugar is spilled onto the frogpad |
| 15:49.26 | straind` | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:49.46 | straind` | uhyuhbyuhyudhfyudf hbhbhbvgvvvvvvvhhhhhhhbbnbhj |
| 15:49.54 | X-Fade_ | Ok, this gets annoying. I think someone is asking for a ban... |
| 15:50.11 | straind` | Sorry. My son got to the computer. |
| 15:51.52 | straind` | My cat can't type names like that. |
| 15:52.12 | X-Fade_ | straind`: Open notepad and let him use that.. |
| 15:52.30 | straind` | I forgot to do it when I stepped away. |
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| 15:57.59 | c0ffee | tada |
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| 15:58.04 | c0ffee | works again :-/ |
| 15:58.07 | *** mode/#maemo [-o c0ffee] by c0ffee |
| 15:58.12 | c0ffee | but i guess that's solved anyway :) |
| 15:58.19 | *** topic/#maemo by qgil -> maemo is the application development platform for the Nokia Internet Tablets | Good questions deserve better answers | https://maemo.org/news/ and fav! | irc logs at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/os2007on770/ |
| 15:58.35 | qgil | log to https://maemo.org/news/ and fav! |
| 15:59.30 | Abulafia | #maemo - you are being recorded for perpetuity... |
| 15:59.35 | koen | qgil: password? |
| 15:59.36 | _Monkey | password is "rootme" (change it instantly) |
| 15:59.51 | qgil | your garage account |
| 16:00.45 | c0ffee | with http, anonymous view is possible |
| 16:01.07 | qgil | c0ffee: do you see the little hearets and fav counts? |
| 16:01.12 | qgil | hearts |
| 16:01.33 | c0ffee | when logged in, yes |
| 16:01.42 | disq | _Monkey: good monkey |
| 16:01.43 | _Monkey | disq: sorry... |
| 16:02.22 | qgil | c0ffee: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1815 |
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| 16:05.12 | c0ffee | as a newcomer joining #maemo, i'd prefer to see news without hearts instead a 403 w/o any help :) |
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| 16:08.48 | qgil | c0ffee: I don't get the joke :) |
| 16:09.10 | disq | let me fav my fave app, kagu :P |
| 16:11.23 | Abulafia | sigh... getting a touchscreen in linux to run isnt hard (from these docs).... but it aint fun. |
| 16:13.00 | *** topic/#maemo by qgil -> maemo is the application development platform for the Nokia Internet Tablets | Good questions deserve better answers | irc logs at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/os2007on770/ | https://maemo.org/news/ and fav! |
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| 16:16.08 | c0ffee | qgil, joke? |
| 16:16.34 | c0ffee | qgil, i just meant that if somebody joins #maemo and reads the topic, and wants to see the news, all he gets as a 403 |
| 16:16.54 | c0ffee | qgil, so I'd rather put the http://maemo.org/news/ in the topic |
| 16:17.33 | disq | i think you should get rid of https |
| 16:17.44 | disq | just use it during authentication |
| 16:19.20 | Abulafia | why |
| 16:19.28 | Abulafia | https sessions are great |
| 16:19.40 | Shurik_ | :) |
| 16:19.43 | disq | they're so sf.net |
| 16:19.51 | disq | painfully slow |
| 16:20.33 | Luria | well, when your router is down. and you cant vpn to a "safe" connection, i really appreciate perpetual https past authentication |
| 16:21.12 | disq | keep https as an option but redirect to http after authentication by default |
| 16:21.14 | disq | that's how google does it |
| 16:21.20 | Luria | oh, and my home router is down, and i cant vpn to a safe connection at the mo :-( |
| 16:21.48 | Shurik_ | stop hiding things and be free of secure connections |
| 16:22.01 | Luria | i know, ive had to pause post login on gmail to avoid broadcasting my inbox |
| 16:22.31 | Luria | but with customize google, that doesnt happen |
| 16:22.41 | disq | iirc if you open gmail as https it redirects back to https |
| 16:24.23 | sparrw | is there an xterm for maemo that can emulate a terminal other than 'xterm'? vt100, ansi, etc? |
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| 16:30.51 | timeless | anyone here speak russian? :) |
| 16:30.59 | Shurik_ | da |
| 16:31.00 | Phil770_ | da ? |
| 16:31.03 | Phil770_ | lol |
| 16:31.10 | ||cw | nyet |
| 16:31.24 | Shurik_ | why? |
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| 16:31.50 | kulve | lardman|gone: got the initialization working :) |
| 16:32.08 | lardman|gone | kulve: I'm not quite gone :) |
| 16:32.14 | lardman|gone | kulve: What was wrong? |
| 16:32.51 | kulve | the dsp port of the speex casted pointers to int |
| 16:32.57 | kulve | which is only 16bit |
| 16:33.28 | kulve | and pointers are 16, 23 or 24 (I'm not exactly sure how much) |
| 16:33.31 | lardman|gone | ah, but the DSP runs in bigmem mode |
| 16:33.39 | lardman|gone | so 16bit won't work |
| 16:33.55 | lardman|gone | good to know |
| 16:34.00 | kulve | in bigmem the pointer is 23 bits, I guess |
| 16:34.41 | lardman|gone | not sure, I just assume the original code was written for non-bigmem |
| 16:35.12 | lardman|gone | right, really do have to go now, I look forward to hearing your progress on the morrow |
| 16:35.15 | lardman|gone | bye all |
| 16:35.16 | kulve | can the mode be selected..? |
| 16:35.24 | Shurik_ | timeless: so what ya need? |
| 16:35.29 | kulve | because the port is for that exact dsp (c5x) |
| 16:35.35 | kulve | but not for dspgw |
| 16:35.39 | lardman|gone | when you compile the kernel I think, bye |
| 16:35.43 | kulve | bye |
| 16:39.28 | timeless | bergie_: how do i get *rid* of the browser stuff from your social news thing? the stuff on garage just collects comments no one will read or answer. |
| 16:39.29 | saaib | morning |
| 16:39.29 | timeless | qgil: please include a url when you file bugs about pages... *grumble* please see how to file a bug <https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=website&component=News&format=guided&rep_platform=ARM&op_sys=Linux> |
| 16:39.29 | _Monkey | aloha |
| 16:39.48 | timeless | note that you can get https: gmail iff you use the complete correct gmail url w/ https |
| 16:39.59 | timeless | incomplete urls will get you redirected to http when you're done |
| 16:40.16 | timeless | shurik: can you switch to russian localization and open help? |
| 16:40.29 | timeless | i'm trying to decide exactly how to file (or get someone to file) |
| 16:40.41 | timeless | a bug about the fact that the russian help is slightly broken |
| 16:40.53 | Shurik_ | let's see |
| 16:41.36 | Shurik_ | just regional settings or device language too? |
| 16:41.45 | timeless | device language, sorry |
| 16:41.51 | timeless | you need it to give you russian help |
| 16:41.55 | Shurik_ | rebooting |
| 16:42.00 | timeless | technically if you know what you're doing, you can skip it |
| 16:42.06 | timeless | but i don't feel like walking through that |
| 16:42.30 | timeless | oh right, certman |
| 16:42.52 | Shurik_ | oh nice, device played USSR Hymn on start up |
| 16:42.55 | Shurik_ | I almost got up |
| 16:43.14 | timeless | really? wow |
| 16:43.18 | timeless | that's um.... |
| 16:43.20 | timeless | probably bad |
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| 16:43.22 | Shurik_ | no, kidding |
| 16:43.30 | Shurik_ | alright, all locales in russian now |
| 16:43.35 | Shurik_ | I opened help |
| 16:43.38 | Shurik_ | what else? |
| 16:43.49 | timeless | look toward kmaybe the bottom |
| 16:43.56 | timeless | for an item that doesn't look very cyrillic |
| 16:44.28 | timeless | you may need to do: |
| 16:44.38 | timeless | app menu>third item(second cascadable)> |
| 16:44.42 | Shurik_ | all looks good |
| 16:44.57 | timeless | >3rd item(first after separator) |
| 16:45.24 | timeless | what os are you running? |
| 16:45.32 | Shurik_ | while in help, right? |
| 16:45.46 | timeless | yes in help |
| 16:45.47 | Shurik_ | latest + SDHC patches |
| 16:46.10 | timeless | in english, that's view>contents |
| 16:46.17 | Shurik_ | 4.2007.26-8 |
| 16:46.19 | timeless | i can pastebin the translation,i suppose |
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| 16:46.49 | Shurik_ | I see no problems |
| 16:46.59 | timeless | ok, there's a search field at the bottom, right? |
| 16:47.02 | timeless | enter: Your Nokia |
| 16:47.04 | Shurik_ | Nokia invitation for a call is unnecessary abbriviated |
| 16:47.38 | Shurik_ | but other then that |
| 16:47.38 | timeless | and search |
| 16:47.38 | timeless | hrm |
| 16:47.38 | timeless | are the items in English or Russian? |
| 16:47.38 | Shurik_ | russian |
| 16:47.38 | timeless | I'm expecting them to be in russian |
| 16:47.39 | timeless | except for a folder |
| 16:47.48 | timeless | which according to the device i saw, and to the sources, isn't |
| 16:47.55 | timeless | anyway, what did the search results say? |
| 16:48.05 | Shurik_ | 0 found |
| 16:48.22 | timeless | got xterm? |
| 16:48.25 | Shurik_ | yes |
| 16:48.29 | mgedmin | short quiz: what's wrong with this picture: http://mg.pov.lt/media-player-is-insane.png ? |
| 16:48.38 | timeless | dpkg -l help-contents |
| 16:48.43 | timeless | i want to know what version you have |
| 16:49.02 | timeless | 2:33, 3:41 |
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| 16:49.51 | timeless | personally, i object to the blank between the overflow widget and the clock |
| 16:49.59 | timeless | but that's from you using the cpu usage snapshotter |
| 16:50.12 | Shurik_ | 4.0-r4891 ? |
| 16:50.20 | timeless | instead of xtemrm (sleep 10; osso-screenshot-tool ~/MyDocs/ug.png) |
| 16:50.45 | timeless | shurik: hrm |
| 16:50.47 | timeless | odd |
| 16:51.56 | Shurik_ | it is? :) |
| 16:52.23 | timeless | the files i have don't specify the r version |
| 16:52.37 | mgedmin | yes, there was an older version of load-applet that had a nice grayscale version of itself instead of an ugly blank that the current one produces in screenshots |
| 16:52.43 | Shurik_ | I have the latest, KGB approved files |
| 16:52.50 | mgedmin | but the interesting bit is that media player thinks it's playing two different songs at the same time |
| 16:53.24 | timeless | mgedmin: i could tell that from the times |
| 16:53.34 | timeless | although i suppose i should have mentioned the two different plaing bits |
| 16:53.38 | timeless | i think i've seen that |
| 16:53.48 | mgedmin | if I knew how to reproduce this, I'd file a bug |
| 16:53.51 | timeless | is it actually playing both? :) |
| 16:54.06 | timeless | and have you installed sysklogd? :) |
| 16:54.11 | mgedmin | no, it's playing one of the two |
| 16:54.19 | mgedmin | although I don't remember which one |
| 16:54.19 | timeless | which? :) |
| 16:54.29 | mgedmin | it was a while ago, I just stumbled upon the screenshot just now |
| 16:55.03 | mgedmin | I wanted to attach http://mg.pov.lt/notes-adria-toolbar-bug.png to a new bug report |
| 16:55.20 | mgedmin | looks like a drawing bug with the toolbar widget |
| 16:56.05 | timeless | no |
| 16:56.06 | mgedmin | and maybe a layout bug as well (shouldn't the font dropdown be a little narrower to make all the other buttons fit?) |
| 16:56.07 | timeless | that's known |
| 16:56.11 | timeless | it's because you installed fonts |
| 16:56.19 | mgedmin | ahh |
| 16:56.21 | timeless | and the stupid font picker isn't size limited |
| 16:56.24 | timeless | i believe they fixed that |
| 16:56.28 | timeless | a bunch of us complained |
| 16:56.38 | timeless | if you want to file a public bug, i'll tie it to an internal one |
| 16:56.49 | timeless | heck, i could give you the internal number if you like :) |
| 16:56.49 | mgedmin | I filed a public bug a moment ago |
| 16:57.21 | mgedmin | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1818 |
| 16:57.53 | timeless | arg |
| 16:58.05 | mgedmin | heh |
| 16:58.25 | mgedmin | does it matter much? if it's fixed, it'll make its way into the next os release, right? |
| 16:58.32 | mgedmin | and someone will close the public bug then |
| 16:58.51 | timeless | yeah |
| 16:58.56 | timeless | but i'd rather tie bugs sooner |
| 16:59.01 | timeless | rather than risk them getting lost |
| 16:59.06 | timeless | qa is underpowered |
| 17:00.35 | timeless | iirc those are bulleted list and numbered list? |
| 17:00.44 | mgedmin | one of them I don't remember |
| 17:00.47 | mgedmin | the last one is "save" |
| 17:00.49 | timeless | no, bulleted list and save |
| 17:00.54 | mgedmin | which is the most important button of them all |
| 17:01.05 | timeless | if you fullscren you can see them |
| 17:01.12 | mgedmin | or if I change the theme |
| 17:01.13 | timeless | where the heck is that bug |
| 17:01.47 | mgedmin | is the internal bug about the size of the font picker, or about invisible icons in the popup? |
| 17:01.52 | mgedmin | 'cause I think both ought to get fixed |
| 17:02.05 | timeless | interesting question |
| 17:02.10 | timeless | it's not that they're invisible |
| 17:02.19 | timeless | it's that they're aligned / placed badly |
| 17:02.25 | timeless | if you could examine offscreen right |
| 17:02.28 | timeless | you'd see the buttons |
| 17:02.45 | timeless | the reason that you see nothing is that the top one |
| 17:02.48 | timeless | bullets, is checkable |
| 17:02.57 | timeless | so all you see is the beginning (The empty checkmark) |
| 17:03.06 | mgedmin | suddenly it makes sens |
| 17:03.09 | mgedmin | e |
| 17:03.12 | timeless | i think that notes was supposed to fix their code to be slightly smarter |
| 17:03.30 | timeless | but maybe the bug moved out of notes? |
| 17:03.45 | timeless | the general way to reproduce the bug is to install xterm |
| 17:03.48 | timeless | since it pulls in the fonts |
| 17:03.58 | timeless | specifically Bitstream Vera Sans Mono |
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| 17:05.35 | timeless | toolbar overflow popup mostly offscreen and useless |
| 17:05.40 | timeless | is the internal bug |
| 17:05.52 | timeless | sp3000 filed it |
| 17:06.25 | timeless | int-51737 |
| 17:06.31 | timeless | feel free to file a public bug |
| 17:06.37 | timeless | but if you're going to file it, and you should |
| 17:06.44 | timeless | please include the steps to reproduce |
| 17:06.58 | timeless | namely installing xterm (specify which xterm, the one that gets you that font) |
| 17:07.11 | timeless | oh brother |
| 17:07.13 | timeless | and please file it |
| 17:07.25 | timeless | it got a low priority last month |
| 17:08.28 | timeless | oh hold on |
| 17:08.45 | timeless | 719 |
| 17:08.49 | timeless | is a public bug about this |
| 17:09.00 | timeless | but that claims to be fixed |
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| 17:10.05 | mgedmin | hm |
| 17:10.26 | timeless | ok, i've cc'd sp3000 to it |
| 17:10.38 | timeless | maybe he can figure out why the public bug is in a different state |
| 17:10.50 | mgedmin | regarding your "feel free to file a public bug" remark: I did, it's https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1818 |
| 17:11.21 | mgedmin | 719 looks similar, but my search for "notes toolbar" didn't let me find it |
| 17:12.12 | timeless | yeah, well, my search for the notes bug didn't find it either |
| 17:12.14 | timeless | on my side |
| 17:12.25 | timeless | sometimes it's better to have a duplicate filed just to make finding bugs easier |
| 17:12.39 | timeless | e.g. i deeply regret not filing a duplicate of sp3000's internal bug |
| 17:12.47 | timeless | because finding mine would have been easier |
| 17:13.20 | timeless | oh grumble |
| 17:13.25 | timeless | your summary sucks |
| 17:13.28 | timeless | i'd never find that either |
| 17:13.37 | timeless | well, i'd find it, but only because i kept searching for toolbar |
| 17:13.44 | timeless | "bug" is not valuable as words go |
| 17:13.50 | timeless | "overflow" is valuable |
| 17:14.14 | timeless | and why'd you file it in UI? |
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| 17:14.51 | mgedmin | where should I've filed it instead? |
| 17:15.20 | timeless | notes? :) |
| 17:15.46 | mgedmin | there's no such choice |
| 17:15.54 | mgedmin | I suppose "utilities" is the one? |
| 17:16.09 | mgedmin | also, I thought it was a more generic bug, probably not applicable to just notes |
| 17:16.15 | mgedmin | which bug 719 confirms |
| 17:16.16 | _Monkey | Bug 719 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=719 |
| 17:16.17 | timeless | you filed it in desktop |
| 17:16.34 | timeless | if you had filed it in n800 there'd have been a notes |
| 17:16.34 | mgedmin | no I didn't, I filed it in UI |
| 17:16.42 | mgedmin | huh? |
| 17:16.50 | timeless | pj |
| 17:16.53 | timeless | arg |
| 17:16.59 | mgedmin | I filed it with https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=N800 |
| 17:17.04 | timeless | yeah yeah, sorry |
| 17:17.18 | mgedmin | :) |
| 17:17.37 | timeless | yes, in the current scheme it belongs in Utiltieshttps://bugs.maemo.org/describecomponents.cgi?product=N800#Utilties |
| 17:17.40 | timeless | er |
| 17:17.43 | timeless | yes, in the current scheme it belongs in Utiltieshttps://bugs.maemo.org/describecomponents.cgi?product=N800#Utilities |
| 17:18.17 | timeless | https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=N800&component=&format=guided&rep_platform=ARM&op_sys=Linux |
| 17:18.22 | timeless | would help you see that (if you enable js) |
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| 17:19.15 | timeless | we're talking w/ quim about how to reorganize the products/components |
| 17:19.29 | timeless | they're currently pretty bad :( |
| 17:19.43 | timeless | they don't help end users, and they don't help engineers |
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| 17:24.00 | timeless | ok, i've set a dependency, i can't really use the alias field because it's currently taken |
| 17:24.42 | timeless | hopefully sp3000 can bother someone about it tomorrow |
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| 17:59.56 | qgil | luria, disq, Shurik_ - the https is justified for the stuff users can do i.e. within garage like uploading new packages that could end up in people's devices - extra security is justified |
| 18:00.29 | *** topic/#maemo by qgil -> maemo is the application development platform for the Nokia Internet Tablets | Good questions deserve better answers | irc logs at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/os2007on770/ | http://maemo.org/news/ login and fav! |
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| 18:02.18 | disq | qgil: so you're basically hogging hundreds of maemo.org and garage users (read-only users) for a few authentication-needed read-write operations like uploading files and posting news |
| 18:02.31 | qgil | timeless: qgil: please include a url when you file bugs about pages... *grumble* - I do when it's a relevant page I reckon I don't do it when it's obvious (or I'm filking a bug from the tablet and/or in a hurry) - any example I could fix? |
| 18:02.51 | timeless | the news bug you posted |
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| 18:03.06 | disq | of course people can use the http versions if they wanted to, but for instance they can't fav in http? |
| 18:03.41 | timeless | it might be obvious to you, and it might be obvious to the person who will fix it |
| 18:03.51 | timeless | but it is not obvious to someone searching for a bug about the site |
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| 18:04.46 | timeless | and it's not obvious to someone browsing through bugs |
| 18:04.58 | timeless | especially given how fairly useless the descriptions of components are |
| 18:05.02 | timeless | and the lack of links in them |
| 18:05.10 | pv_ | why doesn't kagu support ogg? not getting around to do it, or is there a reason? |
| 18:05.32 | timeless | pv_: if you install ogg-gstreamer, does it not work? |
| 18:06.17 | apple2 | Has anyone tried the "boot from usb" option of the hacked initfs? |
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| 18:07.28 | qgil | disq: let me find what "hogging" means exactly :) |
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| 18:08.46 | disq | qgil: slow page load times, more load on the server |
| 18:09.07 | qgil | disq: the idea is that anonymous users can read anything |
| 18:09.10 | disq | qgil: btw you should also turn on gzip compression if you haven't already |
| 18:09.19 | qgil | disq: caching takes cares of that besides https |
| 18:09.42 | qgil | sorry, caching takes care of http and http should be enough to read anything |
| 18:09.55 | disq | yeah but there is really not much to protect, except file releases and submitted passwords. why make them https and keep the rest http? |
| 18:09.57 | pv_ | timeless: from the code it seems to svan only for mp3's, so not a gst problem |
| 18:10.01 | qgil | then if you need to do additional actions like uploading a deb package you need to have an account |
| 18:10.19 | pv_ | aha, "FIXME: add support for ogg" :) |
| 18:10.55 | qgil | disq: I agree the http https relations needs improvement, but why a read.only user needs to jump to https? can ypou provide an example? |
| 18:10.56 | mgedmin | ogg support out of the box in the next n800 firmware would be a big PR win for Nokia among open-source developers |
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| 18:12.13 | pv_ | yep, I was quite surprised oggs didn't work in the builtin player |
| 18:12.17 | timeless | qgil: ack |
| 18:12.55 | timeless | pv: sigh |
| 18:13.08 | timeless | pv: does it work in iTunes or iPod? |
| 18:13.18 | timeless | and does it work in Zune? |
| 18:13.29 | timeless | companies are afraid, very afraid |
| 18:13.39 | pv_ | of patents? |
| 18:13.43 | timeless | if you want to see apple afraid, there's a public list showing them afraid of it |
| 18:13.44 | timeless | yes |
| 18:13.56 | pv_ | that I can see |
| 18:14.16 | timeless | qgil: referencing apple should be fine |
| 18:14.42 | mgedmin | wasn't nokia lobbying for software patents in europe? |
| 18:14.51 | disq | qgil: there are in fact three classes of users. anonymous, logged in member/user/fanboy, and contributor |
| 18:14.57 | timeless | mgedmin: that's a question we definitely can't answer :) |
| 18:15.34 | disq | qgil: what i'm saying is you should only keep the login and the contributor-only pages https |
| 18:15.48 | qgil | ooops will come later |
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| 18:17.54 | timeless | http://lists.whatwg.org/htdig.cgi/whatwg-whatwg.org/2007-March/010392.html |
| 18:21.06 | pv_ | got to love the submarine war. unfortunately it's not restricted to the US |
| 18:28.03 | qgil | disq: so, what is a page not subject to contributors? any url |
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| 18:28.40 | trevarthan | anyone want to help me write some code to turn off the screen programatically? |
| 18:28.59 | timeless | trevarthan: just use the suid bit and the vesa thing i mentioned at the beginning |
| 18:29.07 | timeless | it should "just work" |
| 18:29.58 | disq | qgil: news-voting. wiki-editing. no need for https there. |
| 18:30.11 | trevarthan | If anyone is curious what timeless is talking about, here's the conversation from last night: http://www.pastebin.ca/657240 |
| 18:30.27 | trevarthan | timeless: I'd prefer to not do suid. |
| 18:30.50 | qgil | disq: so you mean https for login and then back to http being remembered wiuth cookie or something |
| 18:31.01 | disq | qgil: yeah |
| 18:31.09 | disq | session cookie |
| 18:31.34 | timeless | that's useless |
| 18:31.38 | timeless | i can steal your cookie |
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| 18:31.44 | timeless | and then impersonate you |
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| 18:31.48 | qgil | disq: in fact I asked henri from the Midgard crew something like this and he told me (if I remember corectly) that they would look at it |
| 18:31.51 | timeless | you have two choices |
| 18:31.58 | timeless | either make the cookie only valid for most operations |
| 18:32.03 | timeless | in whcih case, it'll work |
| 18:32.17 | timeless | or try to assign the cookie an ip range restriction |
| 18:32.23 | disq | keep client's ip adress in a session var just for extra security. ip changes, redirect to /login |
| 18:32.23 | timeless | that fails horribly for people w/ proxies |
| 18:32.33 | florian | re |
| 18:32.36 | timeless | disq: ^^ |
| 18:32.45 | timeless | disq: been there, tried that |
| 18:32.51 | timeless | bugzilla used that for a while |
| 18:32.56 | timeless | people really hate it when they use proxies |
| 18:32.58 | timeless | and guess what |
| 18:33.02 | timeless | nokians all use proxies |
| 18:33.14 | qgil | disq: the conversation started because of https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1562 |
| 18:34.13 | disq | at least try turning on gzip compression if you haven't already |
| 18:34.38 | qgil | disq: to tell you the truth I have no idea - I'll ask |
| 18:34.54 | trevarthan | I agree with konttori's cookie idea. |
| 18:35.06 | trevarthan | keep it simple. |
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| 18:35.52 | disq | btw you guys should also write a script to clean broken links in the wiki docs |
| 18:35.59 | timeless | voted cookie assigned to logged in users is broken |
| 18:36.07 | timeless | some of us use a number of browsers or devices |
| 18:36.17 | timeless | if you assign a field into the database, that's one thing |
| 18:36.17 | disq | lots of docs are broken just because maemo.org changed infra what, 3 times now? |
| 18:36.31 | trevarthan | so what? you really think someone is going to vote spam? |
| 18:36.39 | timeless | no |
| 18:36.49 | timeless | personally, i've neutralized voting wherever i've gone |
| 18:36.50 | qgil | disq: maemo.org had the same site since the beginning until this year afaikj |
| 18:37.08 | qgil | trevarthan: if you read the comment you'll see I agree with you :) |
| 18:37.17 | qgil | the comments in the bug I mean |
| 18:37.33 | trevarthan | yeah. you're Quim, I guess. |
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| 18:37.48 | timeless | personally, i think it's trivial to just have two buckets |
| 18:37.52 | timeless | ratings from logged in people |
| 18:37.57 | timeless | and ratings from annonymous |
| 18:38.03 | timeless | if you get more than X logged in votes |
| 18:38.12 | timeless | then you can drop the anon votes |
| 18:38.20 | qgil | timeless: you are the one always insisting in providing feedback to bugs - be my guest |
| 18:38.22 | timeless | that way anon people can promote things |
| 18:38.38 | timeless | qgil: i try things out on people first |
| 18:38.49 | timeless | if people don't like it here, i'd sooner not leave a record in the bug :) |
| 18:38.58 | timeless | (and yes, i know there's a log for the entire channel) |
| 18:39.04 | trevarthan | I think we need to limit timeless's sentence spam in maemo.org. :) |
| 18:39.06 | timeless | (but people don't have to read it, people do have to read the bug) |
| 18:39.20 | trevarthan | Can you use cookies in IRC? |
| 18:39.30 | timeless | you can use channel keys |
| 18:39.34 | trevarthan | j/k, of course. |
| 18:39.35 | timeless | channel knocks |
| 18:39.42 | timeless | channel invites/whitelists |
| 18:39.55 | timeless | that's about it in terms of server features |
| 18:39.57 | trevarthan | hey... now you're doing it on purpose... |
| 18:40.04 | timeless | you asked for it =b |
| 18:40.08 | trevarthan | lol |
| 18:40.30 | qgil | disq: about the wiki /me secretly thinks today that we should simply ddrop most pages, keep it simple and link to ITT wiki |
| 18:40.45 | timeless | ++qgil |
| 18:40.57 | timeless | less content = less bugs |
| 18:41.10 | disq | great idea :P |
| 18:41.10 | trevarthan | I agree with qqil. |
| 18:41.33 | qgil | keep maemo wiki for collaboration on stuff that will end up affecting maemo for real i.e. the current discussion about sections, tags etc |
| 18:41.34 | disq | so, mke2fs /dev/sda1 on maemo.org? mkreiserfs? ext3? |
| 18:41.47 | qgil | the maemo wiki is a good place for document the progress made on the mailing list |
| 18:41.54 | qgil | one day that becomes official, welcome |
| 18:42.01 | sparrw | gah |
| 18:42.14 | sparrw | xterm on the 770 doesnt seem to do anything other than xterm terminal emulation |
| 18:42.24 | sparrw | and thats like the ONE terminal that doesnt work with my sco unix server |
| 18:42.33 | timeless | sparrw: what should it do? |
| 18:42.40 | qgil | in fact it was mostly sparr who started with the idea of giving priority to itt wiki |
| 18:43.08 | sparrw | qgil: i have changed my mind :) |
| 18:43.27 | sparrw | timeless: vt100, linux, pc420, wyse50, ANY protocol other than xterm... |
| 18:43.31 | sparrw | ansi |
| 18:43.34 | qgil | sparr can you share your changelog ? ;) |
| 18:43.36 | timeless | heh |
| 18:44.09 | timeless | qgil: like anyone can actually parse changelogs |
| 18:44.09 | sparrw | qgil: neg(*) |
| 18:44.38 | timeless | we tried getting an n800 to do that last night, it failed miserably :( |
| 18:46.06 | qgil | http://maemo.org/news/ alogorythm starts to work even if we have almost no votes: the latest new hasn't hit the top of the news main page but falls in the 4th position |
| 18:46.41 | qgil | if you guys could log in and fav your preferred items now, the page would probably change considerably |
| 18:47.23 | timeless | calendar and 300 were the only ones i saw change |
| 18:47.41 | timeless | mostly jitter |
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| 18:48.53 | qgil | timeless: now we have no history and almost no votes, as soon as we get more archive and votes the moves are expected to be more fluent and logical |
| 18:49.09 | timeless | qgil: is this dig like? |
| 18:49.14 | timeless | or digg whatever |
| 18:49.34 | timeless | and in bug 1562 |
| 18:49.35 | _Monkey | Bug 1562 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1562 |
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| 18:49.40 | qgil | not only digg, it is based in other factors, read Henri's article currently at the top to know more |
| 18:49.42 | timeless | are you talking about downloads (1..5) score |
| 18:49.43 | sparrw | you want us to 'fav' individual stories? that adds them to our fav list? why would we use such a list? |
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| 18:50.03 | timeless | or are you saying 0/+1 |
| 18:50.06 | qgil | you fav stories to push them up in the ranks |
| 18:50.22 | timeless | how does an old story fall away? |
| 18:50.26 | qgil | timeless the formula to get the karma is more complex that this |
| 18:50.30 | timeless | time relative to last fav? |
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| 18:51.04 | qgil | it takes in account votes, time since publishing, karma inherited from technorati (or something like this, now I don't remember clearly) - many factors |
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| 18:51.54 | sparrw | qgil: yes, but you also fav them to add them to your fav list... whats the point of that list? |
| 18:53.14 | qgil | timeless: the point is that currently there are in fact a lot of news / posts / images / videos tagged maemo elsewhere, and this is a mechanism to get not only all that in volumes but also a daily snapshot of the most interesting |
| 18:54.06 | timeless | (which browser still hasn't managed to reach?) |
| 18:54.40 | qgil | sparrw in principle the idea is that you might want to change your mind - you might also want to go back to that link you remember you liked but you don't remember... |
| 18:54.59 | timeless | google :) |
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| 18:55.07 | timeless | everyone should just browse links using google :) |
| 18:55.14 | timeless | it'll remember ;) |
| 18:55.16 | qgil | dunno, is a beta of something that, in brief, hasn't been applied in community projects before - or not that we know - so just try and tell us what you like, what you miss, what you think hasn't got a point |
| 18:55.17 | sparrw | qgil: make it ajax, so i dont have to load TWO pages every time i want to fave something, then ill consider it |
| 18:55.45 | qgil | sparrw I agree, I was about to file a bug / enhancement request |
| 18:55.49 | timeless | does clicking a heart fav it today, or just let me try to fav it? |
| 18:56.22 | qgil | timeless: your favs are your favs - just like your stars are your stars in google mail and many other examples |
| 18:56.36 | qgil | "try to fav"? I don't understand |
| 18:56.50 | timeless | qgil: in google mail, if i click a star, it says "you've starred this" |
| 18:56.53 | c0ffee | this fav is your fav |
| 18:56.57 | c0ffee | this fav is my fav |
| 18:56.59 | timeless | when i clicked the heart, i got some strange input |
| 18:57.08 | c0ffee | from maemo garage to maemo planet |
| 18:57.09 | c0ffee | lalala... |
| 18:57.15 | timeless | and couldn't figure out if that meant |
| 18:57.49 | qgil | timeless: do you mind filing a but about this unclear step? I agree with you |
| 18:58.07 | timeless | lemme finnish this comment |
| 18:58.09 | timeless | then i'll file |
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| 18:59.59 | trevarthan | k-s[WORK]: you around? |
| 19:00.26 | timeless | qgil: is this news or something else? |
| 19:00.32 | qgil | now only the first 3 entries have extended text, but it looks we could have it for th whole top 10 in the body |
| 19:00.39 | k-s[WORK] | trevarthan: yep |
| 19:00.50 | qgil | timeless: what do you mean? |
| 19:00.55 | timeless | this bug you want me to file |
| 19:01.09 | timeless | remember, i really don't have a clue how maemo.org is organized :) |
| 19:01.09 | qgil | it's website > news |
| 19:01.16 | timeless | ok |
| 19:01.19 | qgil | well, you are in the "News" section |
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| 19:01.32 | trevarthan | k-s[WORK]: I tried installing the iphone kb demo. got an error |
| 19:01.35 | timeless | no, i lost that web page about 5 pages and 10 mins ago |
| 19:01.39 | k-s[WORK] | trevarthan: which error? |
| 19:01.54 | trevarthan | http://www.pastebin.ca/657293 |
| 19:02.21 | k-s[WORK] | trevarthan: I was doing packages in too hacky way, I'm trying to fix the packaging right now |
| 19:02.31 | k-s[WORK] | trevarthan: you should install efl-core and python-efl-core |
| 19:02.40 | trevarthan | they're installed. |
| 19:02.56 | k-s[WORK] | trevarthan: sure? |
| 19:03.13 | k-s[WORK] | ls -l /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/evas |
| 19:03.13 | trevarthan | http://www.pastebin.ca/657296 |
| 19:03.54 | trevarthan | ls: /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/evas: No such file or directory |
| 19:04.29 | k-s[WORK] | ouch |
| 19:04.38 | k-s[WORK] | dpkg -L efl-core |
| 19:04.47 | k-s[WORK] | actually |
| 19:04.51 | k-s[WORK] | dpkg -L python-efl-core |
| 19:05.20 | trevarthan | all I get is '/.' |
| 19:05.30 | k-s[WORK] | fsck |
| 19:05.34 | trevarthan | the first one gives results, second, not so much |
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| 19:07.36 | k-s[WORK] | trevarthan: the damn package is empty |
| 19:08.23 | trevarthan | yeah. that's not cool. |
| 19:08.29 | k-s[WORK] | I'll fix, brb |
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| 19:14.03 | timeless | qgil: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1820 |
| 19:14.52 | qgil | timeless: thanks a lot |
| 19:16.28 | keesj_ | I need to find a way to manage my evenings |
| 19:17.04 | keesj_ | every time I take so long getting started :( |
| 19:18.07 | keesj_ | k-s[WORK]: what configure do you use for evas? I have this ./configure --enable-software-16-x11 --prefix=/usr but it's not complete |
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| 19:18.26 | keesj_ | k-s[WORK]: what configure do you use for evas? I have this ./configure --enable-software-16-x11 --prefix=/usr but it's not complete |
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| 19:19.27 | k-s[WORK] | trevarthan: it will take a bit longer, power failure here ruined the compile |
| 19:19.29 | k-s[WORK] | keesj_: check maemo-efl svn, there you have my configure.addopts |
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| 19:20.27 | keesj_ | k-s[WORK]: from googlecode? |
| 19:20.33 | k-s[WORK] | keesj_: no, garage |
| 19:21.44 | k-s[WORK] | keesj_: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/scripts/?root=maemo-efl |
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| 19:30.18 | keesj_ | thanks k-s building as we speak |
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| 19:35.28 | k-s[WORK] | keesj_: I was about to change "debian/" to be able to build evas/ecore engines selectively |
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| 19:38.37 | keesj_ | ecore failed with _m4_divert_diversion > google -> Don't use autoconf 2.52 |
| 19:39.28 | keesj_ | autoconf is on 2.13 in sbox :P |
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| 19:39.58 | k-s[WORK] | keesj_: weird |
| 19:40.03 | k-s[WORK] | I run it fine here |
| 19:40.25 | k-s[WORK] | 2.13 here too |
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| 19:42.26 | keesj_ | I have copied the maemo-efl/scripts/e17 to the e17 cvs co of today |
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| 19:43.31 | keesj_ | never ming I will try to find the answer myself ! |
| 19:43.34 | keesj_ | mind |
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| 20:11.32 | k-s[WORK] | keesj_, trevarthan: I've uploaded new packages |
| 20:11.38 | k-s[WORK] | could you check? |
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| 20:17.03 | pupnik_ | flash! ah-ahh! |
| 20:17.18 | k-s[WORK] | pupnik_: ? |
| 20:17.30 | pupnik_ | there was a funny queen song about flash gordon |
| 20:17.55 | pupnik | FLASH! ah-ahhhh! |
| 20:19.07 | pupnik | hey k-s[WORK] do you want to work on a fast snes emulator with me? |
| 20:19.19 | k-s[WORK] | pupnik: no time :-( |
| 20:19.50 | pupnik | ok thanks... i'd really like to meet some of the maemo people someday |
| 20:19.59 | pupnik | i feel great kinship with y'all :) |
| 20:20.07 | k-s[WORK] | pupnik: we'll have bossa event next year, you should come |
| 20:20.29 | k-s[WORK] | will be hosted in a beautiful beach here in Brazil, great hackers, etc.. |
| 20:20.30 | k-s[WORK] | :-) |
| 20:21.36 | k-s[WORK] | http://www.bossaconference.org/ <-- this year version, the first one |
| 20:21.48 | pupnik | dragging my flesh to another part of the earth is too expensive for me right now |
| 20:22.08 | pupnik | i am vashti from 'the machine stops' |
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| 20:22.43 | trevarthan | Hey, does BREW or J2ME work on maemo? |
| 20:22.55 | gla55_ | brew certainly not |
| 20:23.07 | gla55_ | haven't been keeping up on the java side of things |
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| 20:23.12 | pupnik | Vashti isolated herself-it was necessary, for neither day nor night existed under the ground |
| 20:23.13 | gla55_ | if there's a vm good enough then yes.. |
| 20:23.16 | trevarthan | My company is thinking about doing some phone development. I don't know anything about what people use. Which one is most popular? |
| 20:23.27 | gla55_ | pupnik: you've mentioned machine stops before? |
| 20:23.30 | pupnik | She thought, "I have not the time." |
| 20:23.32 | k-s[WORK] | trevarthan: fortunately no :-D |
| 20:23.39 | gla55_ | or i wonder if i saw a reference to it somewhere else a little while ago |
| 20:24.02 | trevarthan | Have you guys ever dealt with BREW or J2ME before? |
| 20:24.03 | pupnik | yes gla55_ - prophecy |
| 20:24.10 | pupnik | i mention it every few weeks |
| 20:24.21 | k-s[WORK] | trevarthan: fortunately not more than necessary :-D |
| 20:24.35 | pupnik | i do not wish to board the airship |
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| 20:25.03 | k-s[WORK] | trevarthan: these techs will not apply to maemo, it's more for a desktop/laptop (old-age, 5-10 years ago) than a phone |
| 20:25.09 | pupnik | Vashti was seized with the terrors of direct experience. She shrank back into the room, and the wall closed up again. |
| 20:25.45 | k-s[WORK] | trevarthan: have you checked the new packages? *_indt4* |
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| 20:26.53 | trevarthan | k-s: not yet. I got pulled into a meeting and redirected to work on mobile device software due to someone around here noticing my interest in maemo. :) |
| 20:27.46 | trevarthan | not that they're the same thing, but management doesn't really realize that. And I'm fine with it. |
| 20:28.21 | trevarthan | pupnik: what the heck are you reciting? |
| 20:29.02 | pupnik | one of the most visionary short stories of the 20th century - written in 1905-1909 (differeing accounts) |
| 20:29.06 | pupnik | predicted irc culture |
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| 20:29.34 | trevarthan | got a link? |
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| 20:29.47 | pupnik | yes but goddamn firefox won't remember the hilighted url |
| 20:30.56 | pupnik | http://brighton.ncsa.uiuc.edu/prajlich/forster.html |
| 20:31.15 | pupnik | it dehilights it as soon as firefox loses window focus (as in synergy use) |
| 20:31.27 | thebigz | Does anyone know wifi settings files are? Specificly I need to find where my WEP-PSK is kept, my work connection is not working, I think it is because the PSK is being copy/pasted wrong |
| 20:31.28 | trevarthan | Where the heck would I go to talk to someone who has previous experience with embedded phone app devel? Not really an open source friendly environment... maybe the symbian folks? |
| 20:31.36 | madam | hello all. do you happen to know the status of EDS (evolution data server) over dbus? can i expect it to work? |
| 20:31.43 | gla55_ | trevarthan: i've done some j2me |
| 20:31.52 | gla55_ | trevarthan: and i do symbian for living |
| 20:32.04 | trevarthan | private message coming up. :) |
| 20:35.03 | madam | thebigz: gconftool-2 -R / | grep -i wepkey1 |
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| 20:44.29 | Phil770_ | does anyone know if anything vaguely like Netstumbler exists in a version that can be used on the 770 ? |
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| 20:47.24 | pupnik | no never and you will be reported to the police |
| 20:47.42 | pupnik | this is a hacker tool illegal in germany since may 2007 |
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| 20:53.55 | MoRpHeUz | Phil770_: maybe kismet ? |
| 20:56.08 | Phil770_ | kismet ? |
| 20:56.09 | _Monkey | kismet is probably http://eko.one.pl/maemo mistral user or http://kismetwireless.net/code/kismet-svn-devel-n800.deb but don't complain if it doesn't work |
| 20:56.20 | Phil770_ | I love that bot. |
| 20:58.07 | pupnik | MITM? |
| 20:58.08 | _Monkey | somebody said MITM was a 'Monkey in the middle' attack to compromise secure communications: http://monkey.org/~dugsong/dsniff/faq.html |
| 20:58.57 | pupnik | this is also illegal |
| 20:59.40 | pupnik | i know the people in this channel would prefer to ignore politics |
| 20:59.45 | pupnik | the problem is... |
| 20:59.52 | pupnik | POLITICS WON'T IGNORE YOU |
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| 21:01.52 | sp3000 | sure it does, it's called arbitrary enforcement |
| 21:01.58 | MoRpHeUz | =) |
| 21:03.40 | timelyx | sp3000: so what's with that menu bug? :) |
| 21:04.15 | sp3000 | the toolbar overflow menu or the mozilla trunk dialog focus mess? |
| 21:04.52 | timelyx | the former |
| 21:05.02 | timelyx | haven't heard about the latter |
| 21:05.17 | sp3000 | apparently the former is fixed-for-next-major-release, the latter I need to test enn's patch for |
| 21:05.54 | sp3000 | hmm, trunk tbird's biff toaster faded out but didn't go away, how creative |
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| 21:47.04 | N800 | hello |
| 21:47.06 | N800 | sss |
| 21:48.33 | unique311 | _Monkey, where's pupnik? |
| 21:48.34 | _Monkey | somebody said pupnik was here |
| 21:48.47 | unique311 | _Monkey, seen pupnik? |
| 21:48.48 | _Monkey | pupnik was last seen on #maemo 48 minutes and 55 seconds ago, saying: POLITICS WON'T IGNORE YOU [Tue Aug 14 21:58:27 2007] |
| 21:56.45 | pupnik | huh |
| 21:57.35 | pupnik | i bet you compiled a new awesomt thing |
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| 22:04.48 | orakle | heh |
| 22:04.54 | orakle | is it wpa_supplicant/xsupplicant? :) |
| 22:09.05 | unique311 | pupnik, its an emu, and i know you have most of the emus |
| 22:09.27 | unique311 | you can get controls to work |
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| 22:33.58 | TimRiker | Some of my gmail accounts don't work on the nav. any idea why? I setup 2 test accounts exactly the same (cept for username and password). one can login, the other cannot. I can log in as either on the web based gtalk from a pc. |
| 22:34.12 | TimRiker | s/nav/n800/ |
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| 23:24.44 | Aorthoirnokia | xterm? |
| 23:24.45 | _Monkey | somebody said xterm was the enhanced version of osso-xterm from maemo-hackers. It adds font and color selection support, URL opening through context menu, and a sidebar with additional keys such as Ctrl+letters. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/osso-xterm-advanced |
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