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| 00:10.56 | Artemisprime | Erstazi i gtg |
| 00:11.18 | Artemisprime | Ill check in later |
| 00:11.23 | Artemisprime | Peace |
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| 00:25.20 | sparr | awww crap |
| 00:25.30 | sparr | i just removed libc6 |
| 00:25.57 | sparr | can anyone tell me where apt-get lives ? |
| 00:25.59 | sparr | like, the binary |
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| 00:27.40 | erstazi | sparr, 770 or n800 |
| 00:27.45 | erstazi | oops |
| 00:27.49 | sparr | 770 |
| 00:27.49 | erstazi | OS2006 or 2007? |
| 00:27.52 | sparr | 2006 |
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| 00:28.25 | Artemisprime | Hello |
| 00:28.41 | Artemisprime | Er back ? |
| 00:29.05 | DaniloCesar | Hi. Why sometimes my N800 network inferface go down without any reason? I think that is a power safe thing right? Can I disability this feature? |
| 00:29.51 | onion | sigh, still another 100km untiil sleep, but mapper works :) |
| 00:30.33 | sparr | i am well and truly hosed |
| 00:30.38 | onion | no crashes |
| 00:30.38 | sparr | i cant scp |
| 00:30.39 | erstazi | sp3000, http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo2.2/free/a/apt/apt_0.6.42.3osso13_armel.deb |
| 00:30.47 | sparr | erstazi: i mean on the unit |
| 00:30.51 | sparr | is it /bin/apt-get? |
| 00:30.53 | sparr | or /usr/bin |
| 00:30.57 | sparr | or /sbin/? |
| 00:30.57 | erstazi | mmm |
| 00:31.20 | sparr | i think i just bricked my 770 :( |
| 00:31.46 | DaniloCesar | I'm connected with my N800 from my notebook over SSH, and than my connection goes down. Can I put my N800 to work every time, without this power-safe feature?? |
| 00:32.59 | erstazi | /usr/bin/apt-get |
| 00:33.08 | erstazi | DaniloCesar, there is something on maemo.org about that |
| 00:33.25 | Artemisprime | Erstazi ; any luckwith java ? |
| 00:33.33 | erstazi | Artemisprime, none |
| 00:33.33 | DaniloCesar | Can someone help me to keep my connection alive? |
| 00:33.35 | sparr | well, crap |
| 00:33.45 | erstazi | DaniloCesar, ^^ |
| 00:33.56 | sparr | i cant run anything |
| 00:34.15 | DaniloCesar | erstazi, I'd had searched there before.... |
| 00:34.48 | erstazi | DaniloCesar, hold a sec |
| 00:34.50 | DaniloCesar | I trying to do this with acmonitor, but that is not working |
| 00:37.24 | erstazi | DaniloCesar, ok, this is going to be difficult, I don't have OS2007 infront of me so I don't know the system |
| 00:37.30 | erstazi | can you go to your control panel? |
| 00:37.52 | DaniloCesar | OK |
| 00:38.06 | erstazi | is there a Connectivity? go to that |
| 00:38.14 | DaniloCesar | ok |
| 00:38.51 | DaniloCesar | there are two tabs there: "General" and "Idle Times" |
| 00:38.51 | sparr | shit |
| 00:38.52 | Artemisprime | Soo no dice on java ?n |
| 00:38.54 | sparr | i just lost my ssh session |
| 00:39.00 | sparr | this is bad |
| 00:39.38 | sparr | whats the procedure with a bricked 770? can it be reflashed somehow? |
| 00:40.06 | erstazi | Idle times |
| 00:40.13 | erstazi | sparr, yes |
| 00:40.27 | erstazi | sparr, what OS do you have primarily? |
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| 00:40.31 | sparr | linux |
| 00:40.40 | sparr | guess this is a good excuse to try the OS 2007 hacker edition :) |
| 00:40.43 | erstazi | sparr, what distro? |
| 00:40.49 | sparr | debian |
| 00:40.50 | _Monkey | rumour has it debian is footwear |
| 00:40.51 | sparr | ish |
| 00:40.54 | sparr | well, ubuntu |
| 00:40.55 | sparr | ish |
| 00:40.57 | sparr | well, kubuntu |
| 00:40.58 | _Monkey | kubuntu is on erstazi's wife's computer |
| 00:40.59 | sparr | :) |
| 00:41.03 | erstazi | sparr, haha, I have ubuntu |
| 00:41.04 | sparr | _Monkey: forget debian |
| 00:41.05 | _Monkey | sparr: I forgot debian |
| 00:41.06 | erstazi | as you can see |
| 00:41.06 | sparr | _Monkey: forget kubuntu |
| 00:41.07 | _Monkey | sparr: I forgot kubuntu |
| 00:41.33 | erstazi | sparr, let me see here |
| 00:41.57 | DaniloCesar | OK... there are 3 options there. "GPRS idle time", "WLAN idle time" and "Data call idle time". Both of then are "Unlimited" |
| 00:42.29 | erstazi | DaniloCesar, hold a sec |
| 00:42.46 | erstazi | sparr, http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithlinux |
| 00:42.53 | erstazi | DaniloCesar, ok, I saw it somewhere |
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| 00:44.37 | sparr | ok, here goes nothing |
| 00:44.43 | sparr | 770 off |
| 00:44.59 | sparr | and it won't even try to turn on |
| 00:45.03 | sparr | no response to the power button |
| 00:45.12 | sparr | ahh, there it goes, kinda slow |
| 00:45.19 | sparr | no progress bar. THAT is what i expected |
| 00:45.51 | erstazi | sparr, sometimes the boot is slow |
| 00:48.29 | erstazi | DaniloCesar, I know there is a way to keep connection alive |
| 00:48.34 | sparr | Suitable USB device not found, waiting |
| 00:48.41 | sparr | flasher doesnt seem to see the 770 |
| 00:48.56 | erstazi | hmm |
| 00:48.58 | erstazi | is it mounted? |
| 00:49.55 | erstazi | ok DaniloCesar go back to the connection manager in tools (I think that is where it is) not in the control panel but tools |
| 00:50.06 | erstazi | crap it is in the control panel |
| 00:50.21 | erstazi | DaniloCesar, do you see disconnect when cover on device? |
| 00:50.39 | erstazi | uncheck that, this is a far stretch but when you put the cover on, it puts it in standby |
| 00:51.04 | DaniloCesar | erstazi, No... |
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| 00:51.50 | sparr | when i connect the 770 via usb without the power cable, nothing happens |
| 00:52.11 | sparr | when i connect it with the power cable, i get 4 new usb device reports from syslog, then a 'disconnect' notice, then 4 lost device reports |
| 00:52.38 | DaniloCesar | wait... uncheck what? |
| 00:52.50 | sparr | ditto when i power the device on with the usb cable connected |
| 00:53.17 | sparr | ditto when i connect the usb cable with the device powered on |
| 00:54.48 | sparr | this is getting more worrisome |
| 00:55.14 | DaniloCesar | erstazi, What do I need to uncheck? |
| 00:55.53 | erstazi | DaniloCesar, check this: http://tinyurl.com/352ovr |
| 00:56.00 | sparr | aha |
| 00:56.05 | sparr | i missed the 'hold home down' step |
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| 00:56.34 | DaniloCesar | erstazi, OK! |
| 00:57.16 | sparr | woot |
| 00:57.18 | sparr | go flasher! |
| 00:57.20 | sparr | go flasher go |
| 00:57.24 | sparr | see flasher |
| 00:57.26 | sparr | see flasher go |
| 00:57.27 | sparr | go flasher go |
| 00:57.41 | erstazi | haha |
| 00:58.04 | sparr | hacker edition rootfs is 77 megs |
| 00:58.06 | sparr | ouch |
| 00:58.11 | sparr | good news though... |
| 00:58.20 | sparr | i can apply localepurge to a 'virgin' installation |
| 00:58.24 | sparr | see how much space it saves |
| 00:59.01 | Fatal | iirc unpurged /usr/share/locale was ~3MB |
| 00:59.16 | Fatal | but I might have been high on something |
| 00:59.54 | sparr | well, im running hacker edition |
| 00:59.59 | sparr | so lord knows what will be different |
| 01:00.15 | erstazi | sparr, now you have to focus on maemo3 + |
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| 01:00.32 | Fatal | sparr: as did I |
| 01:00.39 | sparr | im hoping 2007 has updated libraries |
| 01:00.40 | erstazi | hi jacques |
| 01:00.49 | erstazi | sparr, yeah I might myself go for it |
| 01:00.51 | sparr | which should mean less dpkg bullying to get things to install |
| 01:00.52 | erstazi | I hear its slower |
| 01:01.09 | sparr | ok, new user prompts on the screen |
| 01:01.12 | sparr | time to start fresh :) |
| 01:01.23 | erstazi | (: |
| 01:01.53 | sparr | is it just me or does the 770's UI not have any provision for changing the time zone? it seems stuck on london(?) |
| 01:02.16 | Fatal | it's in the menu |
| 01:02.33 | erstazi | sparr, I always just tapped near by where I am at and it worked haha |
| 01:02.37 | Fatal | and don't say 770 if you're talking about HE :) |
| 01:02.49 | sparr | im talking about 2006 now |
| 01:02.53 | sparr | dunno what 2007 has yet |
| 01:03.31 | sparr | i dont mean home city |
| 01:03.38 | Fatal | sure, I don't recall the timezone/locale settings being any different between 2006/2007(HE) |
| 01:03.45 | erstazi | sparr, that changes your timezone if you select home city |
| 01:03.56 | sparr | no, it doesnt |
| 01:04.02 | erstazi | does for me |
| 01:04.03 | Fatal | yes it does |
| 01:04.09 | sparr | it changes the clock applet's stuff |
| 01:04.19 | sparr | it doesnt hit /etc/timezone, or affect the ACTUAL timezone |
| 01:04.35 | sparr | bug reports on the forums about time off by 5 hours on gpe calendar stuff is likely caused by this |
| 01:04.44 | erstazi | Europe/Helsinki |
| 01:04.47 | erstazi | thats what I have |
| 01:04.57 | erstazi | I am sure I can change that manually |
| 01:04.59 | sparr | yeah. thats a very high level setting |
| 01:05.03 | sparr | its in control panel / date time |
| 01:05.11 | sparr | doesnt actually change anything other than the clock applet |
| 01:05.48 | erstazi | sparr, you know why? |
| 01:06.05 | erstazi | I think its because they were promoting this device to business people who travel |
| 01:06.09 | sparr | because nokia doesnt have much experience with linux? :) |
| 01:06.14 | erstazi | hence needing to change the timezone a lot |
| 01:06.30 | erstazi | sparr, you can always rewrite that and submit a fix (: |
| 01:06.32 | sparr | changing Home City doesn't change the clock time |
| 01:06.45 | sparr | my clock time is UTC... and the only way ive seen to "fix" that is to edit /etc/timezone |
| 01:07.04 | Fatal | # date |
| 01:07.04 | Fatal | Sat Aug 11 03:04:54 CEST 2007 |
| 01:07.32 | erstazi | # date |
| 01:07.32 | erstazi | Fri Aug 10 21:04:56 EDT 2007 |
| 01:08.01 | sparr | grr |
| 01:08.08 | sparr | rub it in my face, i have to go reinstall sshd and xterm |
| 01:08.12 | erstazi | haha |
| 01:08.17 | Fatal | but sure, /etc/timezone is a static value |
| 01:08.32 | sparr | gah |
| 01:08.35 | sparr | i have to reconfig my wireless |
| 01:09.40 | erstazi | I hate having to make keys for wifi |
| 01:09.42 | erstazi | it gets old |
| 01:11.15 | sparr | my wpa key is antidisestablishmentarianism |
| 01:11.38 | Fatal | # ls -l /etc/localtime |
| 01:11.38 | Fatal | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root users 36 Aug 4 21:30 /etc/localtime -> /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Stockholm |
| 01:11.54 | sparr | omg, the hacker edition sources.list has more than two crappy repositories!! |
| 01:11.55 | Fatal | someone should fix gpecalendar to not use /etc/timezone |
| 01:12.31 | Fatal | or smack someone up the head for keeping /etc/timezone around if they don't update it |
| 01:12.33 | sparr | someone should fix maemo to update it |
| 01:12.38 | sparr | i vote for the latter |
| 01:12.44 | Fatal | I vote for removal |
| 01:12.52 | Fatal | and as such, fixing gpe calendar aswell |
| 01:19.13 | sparr | either way |
| 01:19.16 | sparr | im gonna file a bug on it |
| 01:19.18 | sparr | when i get back. afk. |
| 01:20.07 | Fatal | plus, /etc/timezone is only used by tzselect on debian, so it's probably just better to remove it instead of having it around and leading people on wild goosechases |
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| 01:23.57 | saaib | ok, time to go home... see ya all |
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| 01:36.02 | erstazi | who is the owner of _Monkey? |
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| 02:53.47 | zerojay | It appears that I just hardlocked the latest microb browser. |
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| 02:54.05 | zerojay | Actually, the entire tablet. |
| 02:54.22 | zerojay | And the watchdog doesn't appear to be kicking in either. ;/ |
| 02:55.42 | mvhtest | are you in r&d mode? |
| 02:56.04 | zerojay | Nope. |
| 02:56.33 | zerojay | whoa.. very weird. |
| 02:56.55 | mvhtest | erstazi: Milhouse owns _monkey and he's busy getting his arse whipped in Battlefield 2142.... |
| 02:57.07 | zerojay | The screen dimmed all the way and when I hit the screen... suddenly I had my tablet back again. Weird. |
| 03:13.33 | Darksmurf | can the 770 do NTFS? |
| 03:14.10 | mvhtest | can do samba |
| 03:15.10 | zerojay | There's no reason why you couldn't compile the kernel module for NTFS. |
| 03:15.41 | milhouse | would you really want to format flash memory with ntfs? |
| 03:16.02 | milhouse | cos i'm guessing you would be able to mount ntfs using samba |
| 03:16.29 | zerojay | There's not much point in formatting anything NTFS for use with the tablet. |
| 03:16.34 | Darksmurf | I just got an external HD... figured I may want to try to use it w/ the 770 in the future. Wanted to make sure I didn't stick a bunch of stuff on an NTFS partition and then not able to access it |
| 03:16.49 | milhouse | zerojay: that's what i thought... hence why samba should be enough |
| 03:16.51 | zerojay | Yeah, better off just sticking with FAT32 then. |
| 03:17.06 | zerojay | If you're on Windows, anyways. |
| 03:17.19 | Darksmurf | yeah, ext2 was the other thought |
| 03:17.22 | milhouse | darksmurf - you're kind of assuming the 770 is able to pysically connect to your drive... |
| 03:17.35 | Darksmurf | milhouse host usb hack..why wouldn't it? |
| 03:17.49 | milhouse | i guess... that works? |
| 03:17.50 | zerojay | I wouldn't even bother with that. |
| 03:18.00 | Darksmurf | I should mention I don't actually have a 770 yet, it should be in soon |
| 03:18.05 | zerojay | Just set up your drive on your PC and share it with Samba. So much less mess. |
| 03:18.26 | zerojay | I've got 2.5TB shared that way. |
| 03:18.41 | zerojay | Streaming to two Xboxes, PSP and N800. |
| 03:18.43 | zerojay | :D |
| 03:19.00 | Darksmurf | zerojay I've got plenty* of NAS, I'm looking for something mobile (not portable) *-> there is no such thing as plenty |
| 03:20.17 | zerojay | Yeah, heh.. I still have something like 400GB free and I'm still considering buying another external USB 500GB drive.. only $125CDN. |
| 03:21.48 | milhouse | anyone here on OS 2006? |
| 03:22.24 | milhouse | never mind - going to flash my 770 back to os 2006 :) |
| 03:22.40 | Darksmurf | milhouse are you using 2007 now? |
| 03:23.49 | Darksmurf | has anyone tried to take a passive usb hub and add power to it? |
| 03:24.43 | milhouse | 2007HE on 770 |
| 03:24.43 | Darksmurf | there has got to be a reason why it wouldn't work, but I have no idea what it is. I'd think it would be easier to do that than feed power from the output of a powered hub back into the 770. |
| 03:25.34 | Darksmurf | what do you not like about HE? |
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| 03:32.50 | milhouse | darksmurg? nothing, i just need to test something in os 2006... |
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| 03:33.24 | sparr | i am curious WHY you have to feed power back into the 770... i cant think of any good reason for it to not work like any other unpowered usb host device |
| 03:37.58 | Luria | gah. post reflash hangover. |
| 03:43.13 | Darksmurf | sparr what other unpowered usb host devices do you know of? I'm betting it was some Elect. Engineer's idea "Hey, the only time the USB chip needs power is when it's connected to the PC.. if it doesn't have power that can be a way to detect if we are connected to a PC." I can *almost* understand it. What I want to know is why it can't charge from USB. |
| 03:43.44 | sparr | Darksmurf: the gp2x has unpowered usb host. works fine with any off-the-shelf powered hub |
| 03:43.54 | Darksmurf | cool |
| 03:43.58 | zerojay | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mgstmodplug/ - Anyone know if this works with the N800 also? |
| 03:45.17 | sparr | usb charging would be nice |
| 03:45.45 | sparr | pita for electronics though, have to step the 5V up to charging power (6-7V) |
| 03:49.16 | ||cw2 | i have a usb charger and I'm pretty sure there's no step up |
| 03:51.00 | ||cw2 | was a kit similar to this http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/product/10485.htm |
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| 03:57.30 | sparr | ||cw2: i think he means he wants to charge the 770 through its USB port |
| 03:57.34 | NeoStrider | hello folks |
| 03:57.52 | ||cw2 | i know, I'm just saying the voltage works as-is |
| 03:57.55 | sparr | oh |
| 03:57.57 | sparr | interesting |
| 03:58.08 | sparr | whoever can edit the maemo.org wiki |
| 03:58.12 | sparr | the old index page is a broken link |
| 03:58.17 | Abulafia | grrr... a bug remains post flash... |
| 03:58.20 | ||cw2 | it's a little slower than the wall-wort, but not annoyingly so |
| 03:58.40 | Abulafia | oh well, these are five hours i wont be getting back |
| 03:59.05 | sparr | 5 hours to flash? |
| 03:59.11 | sparr | took me 30 minutes, and i had no idea how to do it |
| 03:59.22 | Luria | no, not to flash |
| 03:59.30 | Luria | to restore months of settings and apps |
| 03:59.56 | Luria | and rebuild fonts, etc. |
| 04:00.00 | zerojay | Fonts? |
| 04:00.01 | _Monkey | Fonts are already antialiased, so |
| 04:00.13 | Luria | hebrew support |
| 04:00.23 | zerojay | Ouch. |
| 04:00.30 | Luria | not a big deal |
| 04:00.44 | zerojay | I probably keep my N800 pretty vanilla compared to most of you. |
| 04:00.46 | Luria | copy ms arial unicode, rebuild font cache |
| 04:01.20 | Luria | covers support, but not input. input you have to modify system fonts |
| 04:01.27 | zerojay | Not because I'm a Linux n00b or don't know what I'm doing with apt-get. |
| 04:01.38 | Luria | but because thats how you roll |
| 04:01.57 | Luria | vanilla chocolate |
| 04:01.57 | sparr | omg |
| 04:01.59 | zerojay | Most of the defaults just suit me well, which usually isn't the case. |
| 04:02.03 | sparr | 2007 automagically connects to my wifi |
| 04:02.09 | sparr | most awesome feature ever |
| 04:02.12 | sparr | well, for this hour at least |
| 04:02.34 | Luria | my n800 automagically connects to my national provider, "linksys." |
| 04:03.34 | zerojay | RTCOMM means not needing to install Gizmo to use my SIP account.. the updates made to IM mean I don't need to bother with Pidgin as RTCOMM appears to have better support for stuff through Jabber than Pidgin has directly (honestly, have the Pidgin devs even heard of status messages?) |
| 04:03.53 | Luria | whats the latest maemo abiword build |
| 04:04.10 | Luria | gaim was great. i hate the new net agnostic ui. |
| 04:04.10 | zerojay | More integrated things are, the happier I am, I suppose. |
| 04:04.32 | zerojay | I haven't even looked at it yet except for screenshots. |
| 04:04.36 | Luria | yeah, wish the maemo im stack supported oscar/msn/yahoo |
| 04:04.48 | zerojay | There's not much of a need. |
| 04:04.53 | zerojay | Just use a Jabber server. |
| 04:05.00 | Luria | please dont say gateways |
| 04:05.40 | zerojay | Yep.. and with the RTCOMM beta, all the avatars and status messages show up perfectly. |
| 04:05.58 | zerojay | Which was part of the reason I didn't want to use Jabber for it before. |
| 04:06.05 | Luria | actually, for the life of me i couldnt make the home applet display without avatars |
| 04:06.13 | Luria | which renders it useless |
| 04:06.21 | zerojay | Why's that? |
| 04:06.24 | Luria | 'cause it eats half your screen |
| 04:06.38 | zerojay | Plenty useful for me, but I see your point. |
| 04:07.06 | Luria | sorry, like applets. |
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| 04:07.43 | Luria | too terse: i like applets, and speed contactss uses too much space for me with my other needs. |
| 04:07.55 | zodman | hi there |
| 04:07.56 | _Monkey | hey, zodman |
| 04:08.16 | zerojay | I've got just two contacts showing in mine... the clock applet, internet search and RSS feed applets also on-screen. |
| 04:08.18 | Luria | _monkey, are you still eating bananas from strangers? |
| 04:08.19 | _Monkey | bugger all, i dunno, luria |
| 04:08.59 | Luria | man youre so strung out you dont even remember whose banana's youre eating? |
| 04:09.32 | Luria | _Monkey, get on the wagon before youre an e! special. |
| 04:09.33 | _Monkey | Luria: excuse me? |
| 04:09.40 | zerojay | Ugh.. kill the bot. |
| 04:10.19 | Luria | man i miss the /kick command |
| 04:10.46 | zerojay | Ignore works pretty well. |
| 04:11.39 | Luria | true, but it lacks the visceral joy. |
| 04:11.47 | NeoStrider | i actually like it |
| 04:11.58 | zodman | im new here, yesterday buy my n800 tablet im happy! |
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| 04:12.12 | zodman | im from mexico .......... |
| 04:13.31 | Luria | im from nyc, and my n800 is buggy |
| 04:14.50 | Luria | im from nyc, and my n800 is buggy |
| 04:14.51 | _Monkey | i already had it that way, Luria. |
| 04:14.54 | Luria | oops |
| 04:15.09 | Luria | whats the latest n800 abiword? |
| 04:27.30 | sparr | any problem keeping mistral/gregale apt sources on bora? |
| 04:27.49 | sparr | put another way, can i install 2.x software on 3.0? or 2006 software on 2007? or 770 software on 800? :) |
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| 04:40.38 | NeoStrider | this may look like a silly question: On a ARM CPU, multitasking OS , if Im allocating stuff staticly (stack), the addresses are consecutive,right? |
| 04:41.33 | sparr | no idea |
| 04:41.42 | sparr | im very annoyed with apt-get vs compressed filesystem |
| 04:41.45 | sparr | i have 40MB free |
| 04:41.53 | sparr | apt-get wants to install "75MB" worth of files |
| 04:41.56 | sparr | theres a good chance it will fit |
| 04:42.02 | sparr | but if it doesnt, Bad Things(TM) happen |
| 04:44.46 | sparr | im gonna take a chance at 60MB |
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| 05:02.48 | sparr | i am vexed |
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| 05:02.54 | sparr | hacker edition offers so many nice new features |
| 05:02.57 | threei | yeeo |
| 05:03.01 | sparr | but so many negatives :( |
| 05:03.08 | threei | what negatives is that sparr |
| 05:03.14 | threei | i just flashed over to the hack version |
| 05:03.16 | sparr | well, for one, so few people run it |
| 05:03.19 | sparr | so there is less support |
| 05:03.32 | sparr | also, its packages are less consistent, more package conflicts and such |
| 05:03.33 | threei | mm |
| 05:03.43 | pupnik_ | if you try it please let me know if you get crashes with dosbox |
| 05:03.51 | threei | so maybe better to go over to the latest rel ? |
| 05:03.59 | threei | i just got my nokia recently actually. |
| 05:04.10 | sparr | i think im going to flash back to 2.2 |
| 05:04.15 | sparr | 3.2006-49, that is |
| 05:04.21 | sparr | the latest OS 2006 |
| 05:04.33 | sparr | so hard to decide |
| 05:04.37 | threei | hehe |
| 05:04.51 | threei | imma wait it out and see if i encounter the same issues |
| 05:04.59 | milhouse | i've just update my sd/mmc cloning instructions in case you want to clone your os 2007he to mmc before you reflash with os 2006. :) |
| 05:05.01 | pupnik_ | i went back too |
| 05:05.02 | threei | anyone tried hooking it up to a gps receiver yet? |
| 05:05.56 | threei | i'm planning to do that as well. |
| 05:06.55 | sparr | gonna watch the n93 commercial built into os 2007 :) |
| 05:07.02 | sparr | before i delete it |
| 05:07.25 | sparr | well, gonna try |
| 05:07.29 | sparr | doesnt seem to want to play |
| 05:09.49 | sparr | deleted all the garbage in MyDocs |
| 05:09.53 | sparr | freed up 20MB of space |
| 05:09.56 | sparr | huzzah |
| 05:10.16 | threei | you get a new mmc card yet? |
| 05:10.38 | sparr | no |
| 05:10.43 | sparr | wont for a while |
| 05:10.47 | sparr | til im sure im sticking with the 770 |
| 05:10.55 | pupnik | themes also take up space, but deleting them can screw up your device |
| 05:11.17 | threei | yea not too picky with the themes myself. |
| 05:11.50 | pupnik | you can install a lot of stuff though |
| 05:11.56 | pupnik | only a few apps are really bloated |
| 05:12.37 | sparr | i wish there was a better package manager |
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| 05:12.44 | sparr | i want dselect or aptitude or synaptic on my 770 |
| 05:15.22 | threei | how do i get all the catalogues without adding them in manually is it possible to do that? |
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| 05:24.45 | Luria | yo ho ho |
| 05:24.56 | Luria | reinstalling sucks |
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| 05:25.40 | Luria | i can barely remember what i had which i promptly forget while slowly perusing packages with the package manager |
| 05:25.41 | r0ff | sup' |
| 05:25.59 | r0ff | how do i get all the packages to add |
| 05:26.09 | Luria | which is even slower with app manager |
| 05:26.51 | Luria | sigh. god knows. but if you have all the good repos, the app manager will make you wait to install them. |
| 05:27.00 | r0ff | yeaa.. |
| 05:27.03 | r0ff | doh |
| 05:27.05 | r0ff | thx anyway |
| 05:27.26 | Luria | seriously... find the stuff you want, which will add most of the good repos |
| 05:27.40 | Luria | before i reflashed i had about 15 |
| 05:28.04 | r0ff | which is better, hacker version or the newest nokia release? |
| 05:28.37 | Luria | hacker is unofficial 770 os2007 from nokia |
| 05:29.18 | Luria | unless you have an 770, you want the current os2007 |
| 05:29.44 | r0ff | i have the 770. |
| 05:30.09 | Luria | then you want hacker |
| 05:30.14 | sparr | threei: download someone else's sources.list |
| 05:30.17 | sparr | speaking of which... |
| 05:30.24 | sparr | why doesnt the wiki have a sources.list list? |
| 05:30.43 | Luria | i dunno, its dumb |
| 05:31.18 | Luria | someone was making one in .install form in the channel the other night |
| 05:31.35 | sparr | well, when the wiki starts working again... |
| 05:31.46 | Luria | it works? |
| 05:31.53 | Luria | :-) |
| 05:32.07 | sparr | half the pages are broken links |
| 05:32.11 | sparr | due to the damn "refactoring" |
| 05:33.21 | Luria | have you had login problems of late? |
| 05:33.42 | sparr | yes, but they are fixed now |
| 05:33.50 | Luria | oh goodie |
| 05:34.33 | Luria | it took me a day to just linkify one word this past week |
| 05:36.33 | Luria | whatever. glad to hear its fixed. tho i still have this odd thing with itt... i keep getting lockout notices on my account. even though i never use it and have never posted. |
| 05:39.20 | Luria | well, i, for one, think that it's odd. |
| 05:42.26 | sparr | i was afraid the hacker edition OS was far larger than 2006 |
| 05:42.41 | sparr | was for nought... all those huge instruction manual PDFs and other media were to blame |
| 05:43.03 | Luria | fortunately, its a removable package |
| 05:43.41 | Luria | f'ing a... where is that openvpn n800 package |
| 05:44.29 | pupnik | in your personal debs collection, eventually |
| 05:44.53 | Luria | yeah, somehow i forgot to keep that one |
| 05:46.02 | NeoStrider | goodnight fellows |
| 05:46.03 | sparr | Luria: the removable package doesnt point the right place for the docs |
| 05:46.06 | pupnik | when maemo-hackers went down i got real obsessive about collecting the packages i need |
| 05:46.07 | sparr | something about the install moves them |
| 05:46.19 | Luria | you know, a pc based deb manager might be nice |
| 05:46.54 | Luria | i should set up one of my machines to suck down debs |
| 05:49.10 | Luria | huh did have gconf-editor in one of the main repos... is that new? |
| 05:49.25 | Luria | (for n800) |
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| 05:51.35 | Luria | wow a lot of indep projects are now in the main repo |
| 05:51.54 | pupnik | yeah that deserves some applause |
| 05:52.06 | Luria | i was thinking id have to hunt down wordpy |
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| 05:57.05 | Rocketman | hello all |
| 05:57.12 | pupnik | hi |
| 05:59.30 | Rocketman | What is everyone up to this evening? |
| 06:00.37 | Rocketman | I am sick in bed, but got my n800 to keep me company |
| 06:01.05 | pupnik | sorry to hear it |
| 06:01.42 | Rocketman | what is that? |
| 06:02.00 | pupnik | playstation 1 emulator (no, not on the tablet) |
| 06:03.50 | Rocketman | There is quite a compotent programmer that comments a lot on the Itt forums about emulators |
| 06:04.43 | Rocketman | It is unfortunate that the only thing he seems to want to do is play olde games |
| 06:05.21 | pupnik | what would be more useful to work on? |
| 06:05.24 | Rocketman | think his nick is arnims or something like that |
| 06:05.52 | pupnik | that's me btw |
| 06:05.53 | Rocketman | I can think of a couple dozen things |
| 06:06.04 | Rocketman | rly? |
| 06:06.08 | Rocketman | no jk? |
| 06:06.50 | pupnik | yeah the site is pupnik.de |
| 06:06.56 | Rocketman | I would like to see a better graphical shell to mplayer |
| 06:07.10 | Rocketman | A good word processor |
| 06:07.14 | unique311 | lol |
| 06:07.48 | unique311 | <Rocketman> think his nick is arnims or something like that |
| 06:07.48 | unique311 | <pupnik> that's me btw |
| 06:07.48 | unique311 | <Rocketman> I can think of a couple dozen things |
| 06:07.48 | unique311 | <Rocketman> rly? |
| 06:07.48 | unique311 | <Rocketman> no jk? |
| 06:07.51 | unique311 | classic |
| 06:08.17 | pupnik | heh |
| 06:08.38 | Rocketman | various 3rd party utils to let end users more easily interact with power management |
| 06:09.17 | Rocketman | a bookmark sync app for desktops |
| 06:09.36 | Rocketman | a 3rd party system backup util |
| 06:10.01 | pupnik | good ideas |
| 06:10.05 | Rocketman | pim type functions with syncing |
| 06:10.13 | pupnik | have you looked at gpe? |
| 06:10.37 | Rocketman | lots of boring meat and potatoes that really flesh out a platform |
| 06:10.51 | Rocketman | yeah, I know gpe |
| 06:11.27 | Rocketman | I could care less about pim myself, but I know a lot of people want it |
| 06:11.49 | sparr | gpe seems like a good pim solution to me |
| 06:12.48 | Rocketman | I would love to be able to do tts with fbreader |
| 06:13.25 | pupnik | text to speech? |
| 06:13.41 | Rocketman | read book normally while stationary then switch to tts mode while walking, biking, etc |
| 06:13.45 | Rocketman | yeah |
| 06:13.57 | pupnik | neat idea - the flite voice might get tiresome though |
| 06:14.05 | Rocketman | sorry about the abreviations |
| 06:14.24 | pupnik | you're typing on the screen keyboard? |
| 06:14.32 | Rocketman | can't use BT keyboard in bed |
| 06:14.38 | Rocketman | yeah |
| 06:14.39 | pupnik | wow you're pretty fast |
| 06:14.59 | Rocketman | old school palm user |
| 06:15.22 | Rocketman | With the carpal tunnel to prove it |
| 06:15.41 | sparr | we have flite for TTS |
| 06:15.47 | sparr | dunno if you could make it work with fbreader |
| 06:15.51 | pupnik | you saw unique311's new version of POSE? |
| 06:16.18 | Rocketman | yeah, would be a question of glueing the two together |
| 06:16.38 | Rocketman | no, url? |
| 06:17.46 | pupnik | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/pose |
| 06:18.20 | Rocketman | I would also like to see a combined applet for fm and web radio, to better preserve desktop space |
| 06:20.43 | Rocketman | ah, palm os emu |
| 06:21.29 | Rocketman | I bought my first palm before they were palm |
| 06:22.09 | Rocketman | was a US Robotics Pilot 5000 connected organizee |
| 06:22.26 | Rocketman | I still get a kick out of that |
| 06:23.02 | Rocketman | as if the killer app for portable computing was going to be todo: |
| 06:23.09 | Rocketman | ;) |
| 06:23.41 | Rocketman | wouldn't mind good inking either |
| 06:24.06 | trevarthan | What do you guys think of this? http://www.guardiani.us/newtheme-songs.png |
| 06:24.07 | Rocketman | Nokia's version on the n800 is pretty attrocious |
| 06:25.08 | Rocketman | This the new momentum based scrlling? |
| 06:25.41 | trevarthan | well, yeah. it's kagu. It's just a new theme I made for it. wondering what everyone thinks about it. |
| 06:25.42 | Rocketman | saw something about that on the maemo planet aggrg8tr |
| 06:25.47 | trevarthan | kagu? |
| 06:25.48 | _Monkey | kagu is http://maemo.org/downloads/product/kagu |
| 06:26.00 | trevarthan | there you go. you can see the old theme there. |
| 06:26.14 | Rocketman | I tried it out with my a2dp headset |
| 06:26.34 | trevarthan | oh yeah. did it work? |
| 06:26.37 | Rocketman | btw, stay away from Blueant X5 |
| 06:26.54 | sparr | gonna try to run wesnoth on my 770 |
| 06:27.01 | sparr | if it works, gonna be SO slow |
| 06:27.02 | Rocketman | their firmwarw upgrade procedure bricked mine |
| 06:27.34 | trevarthan | I'm so freakin' tired... |
| 06:27.34 | pupnik | i just realized that kagu and other players are optimized for finger-based controlling |
| 06:27.38 | Rocketman | and the headstrap is one size fits none |
| 06:27.45 | trevarthan | pupnik: yeah |
| 06:28.02 | pupnik | i like the theme |
| 06:28.08 | Rocketman | non-adjustable and far too small for average adult head |
| 06:28.10 | trevarthan | that's one of the design goals. I think the whole tablet OS should be that way. Thanks. |
| 06:28.38 | unique311 | trevarthan, i like that color.. |
| 06:28.43 | unique311 | different. |
| 06:29.02 | trevarthan | :) I'm gonna get yelled at on ITT. I know I am. They'll hate it. |
| 06:29.07 | trevarthan | They hate everything. :) |
| 06:29.23 | unique311 | lol |
| 06:29.28 | Rocketman | everyone is a critic :) |
| 06:29.38 | unique311 | the dice? |
| 06:29.48 | pupnik | random song i bet |
| 06:29.50 | trevarthan | shuffle mode |
| 06:29.55 | unique311 | ok |
| 06:29.57 | trevarthan | disq implemented it a few days ago. |
| 06:30.08 | unique311 | so whats with the OK |
| 06:30.19 | pupnik | icons like back, ffwd, rrv and pause have fairly low contrast - might do better with a light button surrounding |
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| 06:30.58 | trevarthan | unique311: it's gone. :) |
| 06:31.22 | Rocketman | going to try bt keyboard |
| 06:31.24 | pupnik | 0 K free? :) |
| 06:31.48 | Rocketman | wrists starting to hurt from too much pen input |
| 06:31.56 | trevarthan | you aiming that thing at me, pupnik? :) |
| 06:32.25 | Rocketman | this su-8w is a biotch to use as it doesnt lock open |
| 06:33.12 | Rocketman | anyone have the stowaway with the dedicated number row? |
| 06:33.42 | trevarthan | yeah, I do. |
| 06:33.50 | Rocketman | like it? |
| 06:33.50 | _Monkey | like it is for LiLo ;) |
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| 06:34.28 | trevarthan | Rocketman: it's ok. The biggest gripe I have is that the Fn key doesn't work. Surprisingly, that doesn't really stop you from doing things |
| 06:34.32 | unique311_ | class TextEntrySprite(pygame.sprite.Sprite, WidgetAndContainer): |
| 06:34.33 | unique311_ | def __init__(self, evManager, labelText, container=None, Xper=.02, Yper=.02, widCount=10): |
| 06:34.33 | unique311_ | WidgetAndContainer.__init__(self, evManager, container) |
| 06:34.37 | trevarthan | But it's really F'ing annoying. |
| 06:34.42 | unique311_ | ^^^lines |
| 06:34.51 | unique311_ | error i'm getting pointing to the lines.. |
| 06:34.55 | Rocketman | fninf annoying :0 |
| 06:35.22 | trevarthan | Rocketman: it's better than the pen, but not as good as a real kb. |
| 06:35.28 | unique311_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:35.28 | unique311_ | TypeError: Error when calling the metaclass bases |
| 06:35.28 | unique311_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:35.28 | unique311_ | order (MRO) for bases Sprite, WidgetAndContainer |
| 06:35.34 | Rocketman | probably Nokia could write a better keymap |
| 06:35.46 | trevarthan | unique311: what's that from? |
| 06:35.55 | trevarthan | doesn't look like kagu... |
| 06:35.57 | Rocketman | but dont´want to undercut their own product |
| 06:36.00 | unique311_ | python |
| 06:36.00 | _Monkey | well, python is at pymaemo.garage.maemo.org! |
| 06:36.07 | unique311_ | its not kagu |
| 06:36.41 | unique311_ | mediaz another interesting application i want to compile and see if it werks |
| 06:36.43 | Rocketman | what I want is something like a BT version of a twiddler |
| 06:36.55 | Rocketman | one handed chording keyboard |
| 06:37.07 | Rocketman | but not like a frogpad |
| 06:37.11 | trevarthan | Rocketman: the Thinkoutside would be awesome if the damn Fn key worked. :) |
| 06:37.36 | trevarthan | I blame the keyboard for that, not nokia |
| 06:37.46 | trevarthan | why they implemented Fn in software is beyond me. |
| 06:37.50 | Rocketman | something I could squeeze and manipulate in one hand with the n800 in the other |
| 06:38.17 | trevarthan | let me know if you find something like that. sounds good to me too. |
| 06:38.37 | trevarthan | you can always use synergy. |
| 06:38.48 | Rocketman | lets start a company :) |
| 06:38.54 | trevarthan | And there's always SSH. That's what I use most of the time. |
| 06:39.03 | Rocketman | cause believe me I have looked |
| 06:39.27 | Rocketman | the point is high speed text entry while mobile |
| 06:39.36 | trevarthan | :) the time might be right. tablets are on the verge of reaching the masses. |
| 06:39.53 | lnx^ | sorry i'm a little off-topic, but i have an n800 and i'm living in a college that does _not_ have wifi but only ethernet holes in the walls. and they strictly disallow any installation of a "router of any kind (excluding those that 'do no wireless, no routing, no NAT and no DHCP')". is there any way i could (without breaking the rules) use the n800 to access the internet for free in my room? bluetooth perhaps? |
| 06:39.58 | Rocketman | or in a position where using a conventional keyboard is difficult |
| 06:40.28 | trevarthan | lnx^: ummmm.... not really, no. |
| 06:40.50 | lnx^ | there's no such thing as a bluetooth-ethernet dongle? :-P |
| 06:41.12 | sparr | lnx^: get a usb ethernet adapter, apply the published usb power hack to it, and enable usb host mode on your 770 |
| 06:41.21 | trevarthan | lnx^: no. there are bluetooth serial dongles though. You could use one of those with a dialup modem. |
| 06:41.25 | unique311 | lnx^, find the nearest windows, aim the n800 towards it, and pray for a signal |
| 06:41.35 | Rocketman | if you got completely transparent bridging ap, set it to non us frequencies and turned beaconing off, would be mighty hard to detect |
| 06:41.44 | trevarthan | sparr: he's got an n800, not a 770. |
| 06:42.21 | sparr | trevarthan: should still work, no? |
| 06:42.41 | trevarthan | sparr: no. n800 doesn't have host mode currently. |
| 06:42.50 | sparr | lnx^: find yourself a wifi<->ethernet bridge, with no router |
| 06:43.27 | sparr | lnx^: or... hook your PC up to the ethernet, and share the connection over a wifi card in the PC, set up an Ad Hoc connection to the 800 |
| 06:43.36 | lnx^ | sparr: i'm afraid that goes under the college's vague 'wireless equipment' |
| 06:44.01 | lnx^ | (the wifi<->ethernet bridge) |
| 06:44.21 | Rocketman | the question is whether you can mask it well enough that they wouldnt notice |
| 06:45.02 | pupnik | can you do bluetooth to the pc? |
| 06:45.16 | Rocketman | put the ap on non-us frequencies, turn beaconing off, etc |
| 06:46.04 | Rocketman | mighty hard to detect unless you go by the nick dragorn |
| 06:46.41 | lnx^ | yeah, but unfortunately cleaners and other staff have (almost unlimited) access to the rooms, and the punishment is quite severe (£100 first offence) if one gets caught having 'illegal equipment' in one's room |
| 06:46.58 | Rocketman | run the ap at very low power levels |
| 06:47.29 | Rocketman | take off the ethernet wall plate, get yourself a very small router and mount it in the wall |
| 06:47.39 | lnx^ | pupnik: i guess bluetooth to the pc is the last option, though i only have a laptop which probably won't be permanently in the room anyway |
| 06:47.49 | sparr | lnx^: change universities. |
| 06:47.50 | _Monkey | sparr: that doesn't look right |
| 06:47.55 | lnx^ | sparr: hehe |
| 06:48.00 | *** join/#maemo _Monkey (n=_Monkey@dsl-217-155-26-150.zen.co.uk) |
| 06:48.32 | sparr | _Monkey: shut up |
| 06:48.33 | _Monkey | sparr: i'm not following you... |
| 06:48.38 | Rocketman | someone feed monkey a malformed bananna? |
| 06:48.57 | sparr | lnx^: im not joking. why are you going to a school like that? |
| 06:49.58 | trevarthan | unique311: BTW, I used your PSD files for that theme I just posted. I can't thank you enough for spending time on that. disq and I have both been using it a lot. |
| 06:50.03 | Rocketman | the it dptmnt should be showing you how to set up the wireless safely |
| 06:50.36 | Rocketman | not just enforcing a draconian no use policy |
| 06:51.07 | Rocketman | and what sort of crazy laws do they have that allow them to come into your dorm room at will? |
| 06:51.11 | Rocketman | In the US, that would never fly |
| 06:51.25 | bldewolf | lnx^, what do they consider illegal equipment, exactly? Crowbars, lockpicks, bolt cutters, and wireless routers? |
| 06:51.48 | unique311 | trevarthan, np. |
| 06:52.00 | Rocketman | dont forget rock albums |
| 06:52.03 | unique311 | I didn't give up working on it. |
| 06:52.17 | unique311 | colors are not coming to me. |
| 06:52.30 | lnx^ | yeah, it's a really old-fashioned college. the building is wooden, so i guess they are afraid of the students' boxes starting fires, in addition to the security threats... |
| 06:53.13 | Rocketman | if they had decent authentication on their network it wouldnt matter |
| 06:53.23 | trevarthan | unique311: I cheat. I pick a color I like, then use web tools to find the rest: http://slayeroffice.com/tools/color_palette/ |
| 06:53.26 | unique311 | trevarthan, the xci or xpi file is for gimp...also broken down into individual parts. |
| 06:53.40 | unique311 | nice |
| 06:53.47 | Rocketman | lot of big organizations run their taps wide open and implement security elsewhereeeeee |
| 06:53.50 | trevarthan | unique311: I think we standardized on the PSD. |
| 06:54.00 | unique311 | i like that link.. |
| 06:54.04 | unique311 | that will come in handy.. |
| 06:54.15 | unique311 | maybe theirs an app version of that site.. |
| 06:54.19 | unique311 | heh |
| 06:54.29 | trevarthan | I think adobe has one. |
| 06:54.35 | trevarthan | lots of 'em out there. |
| 06:55.04 | trevarthan | The graphics goon at work put me on to that site. I'm not color blind, I just can't pick them out of my head, you know? |
| 06:55.15 | unique311 | same.. |
| 06:55.15 | _Monkey | hmmm... same is done iirc in word and excel |
| 06:55.24 | unique311 | i know how to draw very well. |
| 06:55.29 | trevarthan | I hate you _Monkey. |
| 06:55.29 | unique311 | but color wise i suck |
| 06:55.36 | unique311 | except when it comes to graffiti |
| 06:56.01 | lnx^ | trevarthan: you mentioned a bluetooth serial dongle - how'd that work? could i connect a serial-to-ethernet device to it perhaps? |
| 06:56.40 | trevarthan | lnx^: dunno if there are any serial to ethernet drivers for linux, but if there are, then yeah. The BT dongle looks like a normal serial port, I think. |
| 06:56.57 | trevarthan | they ain't cheap tho. fair warning. |
| 06:57.16 | unique311 | http://s50.photobucket.com/albums/f333/unique311/Misc/?action=view¤t=3Dimens.jpg |
| 06:57.21 | unique311 | does that link show? |
| 06:57.38 | trevarthan | lnx^: if you've got free cell service, you can always dial in through that. |
| 06:58.00 | trevarthan | assuming you have a BT enabled cell phone, that is. |
| 06:58.26 | unique311 | ? |
| 06:58.41 | trevarthan | yeah. nice work |
| 06:59.08 | unique311 | colors are good? |
| 06:59.10 | trevarthan | what is it though? |
| 06:59.17 | unique311 | was never too sure |
| 06:59.21 | Rocketman | forget bed, too frustrating trying to type |
| 06:59.22 | unique311 | its graffiti |
| 06:59.25 | unique311 | on canvas |
| 06:59.33 | trevarthan | yeah, they're good |
| 06:59.36 | Rocketman | and it wasnt like I was going to get much sleep while feverish |
| 06:59.45 | unique311 | letters |
| 06:59.52 | unique311 | 3d |
| 07:00.41 | trevarthan | I can't read it. but that's ok. it looks cool. |
| 07:01.09 | unique311 | i'm have an obsession with 3d |
| 07:01.35 | trevarthan | me too. it's called an xbox 360 |
| 07:01.35 | unique311 | show you 2 more links and thats it. |
| 07:01.38 | unique311 | http://s50.photobucket.com/albums/f333/unique311/Misc/?action=view¤t=unique2.jpg |
| 07:02.14 | unique311 | http://s50.photobucket.com/albums/f333/unique311/Misc/?action=view¤t=unique1.jpg |
| 07:02.23 | unique311 | the wii has that beat |
| 07:02.30 | trevarthan | lol |
| 07:03.00 | unique311 | games are being push back on the 360 and ps3 |
| 07:03.17 | trevarthan | yeah, those are wicked cool man. |
| 07:04.04 | trevarthan | I've got gears and shadowrun, and Naruto is coming out this month, so I'm quite happy with the 360. |
| 07:04.30 | trevarthan | I just wish it would stop trying to double as my household oven. |
| 07:04.53 | unique311 | use to be a big fan of game systems...not no more. |
| 07:05.16 | trevarthan | used to be a big fan of games on computers. same here. |
| 07:05.43 | unique311 | i softmodded my xbox, placed an 80Gb hardrive in there...have lots of games..and hardly use it. |
| 07:05.45 | unique311 | sucks |
| 07:05.50 | trevarthan | well... I gotta get some sleep. gotta fix some more kagu bugs and make a release in the morning. |
| 07:06.05 | unique311 | peace |
| 07:06.19 | Rocketman | night |
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| 07:07.35 | lnx^ | trevarthan: unfortunately there's no free cell service like that in the UK, as far as I'm aware :-/ |
| 07:08.54 | lnx^ | Rocketman: is it possible to mount a small router behind an ethernet wall plate without needing a separate power cable? |
| 07:10.19 | Rocketman | hmm, is there power nearby that you could tap into? |
| 07:10.48 | Rocketman | you could maybe use a power over ethernet injector and a poe compliant router |
| 07:11.16 | Rocketman | but that would be very bad if they were running anything else over those unused pairs |
| 07:11.28 | Rocketman | so you would have to clip them |
| 07:11.36 | Rocketman | which is all getting very complex |
| 07:11.41 | lnx^ | so indeed |
| 07:12.09 | Rocketman | I think a better idea would be to plug in your computer directly and then mount a very small travelrouter on the backside of your computer off a second NIC |
| 07:13.10 | Rocketman | and use internet connection sharing or similar to share the pc |
| 07:13.24 | Rocketman | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:13.43 | Rocketman | I recommend the dlink travel router as you can power it via usb |
| 07:13.47 | Rocketman | and it is tiny |
| 07:13.52 | Rocketman | and inconspicuous |
| 07:18.08 | lnx^ | or would it be simpler to set up internet connection sharing via a bluetooth dongle? i have a laptop so even a small router can be fairly hard to hide. what's the advantage of a small wifi router compared to using bluetooth? |
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| 07:19.17 | Rocketman | faster speeds, not to mention support for bluetooth pan mode isnt so hot on the n800 |
| 07:20.26 | Rocketman | there are some wireless dongles that let you put them in infrastructe mode and share the connection |
| 07:20.33 | Rocketman | I think several from Zyxel do that |
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| 07:27.17 | lnx^ | but are they as easy to hide? |
| 07:28.38 | Rocketman | a usb wifi dongle capable of being put in ap mode in junction with internet connection sharing provided by your laptop would be the smallest option |
| 07:36.39 | lnx^ | if i put the dongle in ap mode, can i also then hide it well from others (as in, so that no one will be able to detect the network other than i)? |
| 07:48.31 | lnx^ | and i wonder if the zyxel works under linux as well, as that's the OS of my laptop |
| 07:56.18 | pupnik | i still haven't heard a legitimate reason for banning wifi |
| 07:58.01 | lnx^ | < foxy> They think that you will leave it unsecured so they will be hacked. Or let unauthorised persons access the university network. They also like an easy life. Bear in mind that the proportion of computer illiterate students is high. They'd plug it in and do nothing else. |
| 08:01.05 | lnx^ | hmm, zyxel uses something called the 'Zyxel utility' (only for windows) - wonder if that needs to be running all the time or if it's enough that i configure the dongle once in windows |
| 08:01.32 | lnx^ | could the dongle itself know how to bridge the network in linux or does it need some program for that, i wonder |
| 08:13.01 | bldewolf | pupnik, insufficient resources to provide support so that it's done correctly? |
| 08:20.57 | pupnik | i'd sooner suspect legal ramifications - a student running an open wlan makes it harder to track someone else doing something illegal |
| 08:28.29 | roope | Nokia runs an open wlan in New York Central Park. :) |
| 08:33.04 | jumpula | to boost the tablet sales? |
| 08:35.47 | lnx^ | could i not use my laptop's intel wlan card through ipw2200 to set up an ad-hoc network and use wlan with n800 over that? |
| 08:36.49 | lnx^ | or are there problems with adhoc? |
| 08:44.21 | lnx^ | drains battery? |
| 08:44.49 | zuh | More than regular networking, yes |
| 08:45.47 | lnx^ | on both the n800 and the laptop? |
| 08:47.07 | zuh | At least on the N800, but I guess it would be the same for the laptop |
| 08:47.20 | bldewolf | looks like there's software to make an ipw2200 run as an access point too |
| 08:47.27 | bldewolf | that'd be pretty funny "whaaaaaat router?" |
| 08:47.54 | zuh | That's a purely empirical observation though, I'm not sure if it is backed by some theory |
| 08:48.40 | lnx^ | bldewolf: hehe |
| 08:49.41 | lnx^ | bldewolf: unfortunately my card doesn't support AP, just ad-hoc, but that'd be funny |
| 08:49.57 | bldewolf | eh? you said you have an ipw2200? |
| 08:50.54 | lnx^ | yeah, but: root@tp:~# iwconfig eth1 mode Master |
| 08:50.54 | lnx^ | Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : SET failed on device eth1 ; Invalid argument. |
| 08:51.03 | bldewolf | well I googled and found this: http://sourceforge.net/projects/ipw2200-ap |
| 08:51.29 | bldewolf | looks like it might be dead though |
| 08:52.34 | lnx^ | hmm, well i DO have an Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG |
| 08:53.01 | bldewolf | yeah, too bad that project's a year old :-/ |
| 08:53.10 | bldewolf | as in, a year since the last release... |
| 08:53.22 | bldewolf | it would probably just be more painless to try out ad-hoc |
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| 08:55.35 | unique311 | these screenshots old news? |
| 08:55.39 | unique311 | http://s50.photobucket.com/albums/f333/unique311/Misc/?action=view¤t=unique1.jpg |
| 08:55.45 | unique311 | wrong link |
| 08:56.05 | unique311 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/UserInterface |
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| 09:00.39 | oil | unique311: looks very nice |
| 09:01.37 | unique311 | ~512MB SSD, ~512MB RAM (depending on model) |
| 09:01.42 | unique311 | thats a turn off |
| 09:02.08 | unique311 | 770 or 800 doesn't come even close |
| 09:02.58 | gla55_ | price is the question |
| 09:03.24 | lnx^ | bldewolf: yeah, it looks completely dead :-/ i guess i'll have to go for ad-hoc. can i be connected to an AP with my wlan card and at the same time use the wlan card as an ad-hoc for the n800, or can i only connect the laptop to ethernet? |
| 09:03.51 | gla55_ | usually, no. |
| 09:05.53 | unique311 | gla55_, not sure what you mean? |
| 09:05.57 | unique311 | price is the question |
| 09:06.11 | unique311 | the screenshots are of the OS |
| 09:06.30 | gla55_ | comparing memory sizes |
| 09:07.36 | unique311 | n800 128MB of ram goes went for 400+ went it hit the shelves |
| 09:08.04 | unique311 | an n800 with 512MB of ram would've been? |
| 09:15.06 | pupnik | there's probably a good reason to not pack lots of ram on these |
| 09:15.25 | pupnik | power consumption |
| 09:16.42 | pupnik | either that, or there's no good reason, and people at nokia just want us to have very little ram |
| 09:18.27 | gla55_ | power consumption and price, do they pack the ram on the same chip as other stuff? |
| 09:18.46 | pupnik | yes on the 770 at least the onboard flash and ram are on one package |
| 09:21.26 | pupnik | since the x86 devices draw more power anyway, more ram wouldn't draw proportionally as much power |
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| 09:23.29 | pupnik | what's the power drain on those x86 mid devices? |
| 09:25.59 | `0660 | wouldn't big ram encourage to move on a bigger applications which would in turn generate more load to the processor? |
| 09:27.07 | `0660 | in the other hand at least then the user would have a choise between bigger applications and battery life :) |
| 09:27.31 | pupnik | the side of an application loaded into ram doesn't determine the power drain |
| 09:28.16 | `0660 | loading the application in the ram in the first place takes cycles :) |
| 09:28.17 | gla55_ | an app that uses more ram would probably use more cpu as well |
| 09:28.32 | gla55_ | if it does anything with that data |
| 09:28.47 | `0660 | but i bet the price and the power consumptions of memory are the real reasons |
| 09:28.52 | `0660 | -s |
| 09:29.02 | gla55_ | profitability of the device |
| 09:29.14 | gla55_ | bean counters make nokia profitable.. |
| 09:30.21 | zuh | Maybe "128MB should be enough for everyone" ;) |
| 09:31.27 | gla55_ | well it's enough that it doesn't hinder the usability |
| 09:31.43 | gla55_ | which can't be said of some of the memory size choices on some of the phones |
| 09:32.09 | `0660 | think about the application we might have if there was 512MB of memory :) |
| 09:32.12 | `0660 | application |
| 09:32.14 | `0660 | applications |
| 09:32.17 | `0660 | :) |
| 09:32.28 | `0660 | they would probably be just bloat :) |
| 09:32.35 | gla55_ | faster cpu would suit more for the stuff i'd think |
| 09:32.43 | gla55_ | better emus |
| 09:33.05 | pupnik | but webpages are bloated and you can't get around that easily |
| 09:33.36 | unique311 | come on |
| 09:33.39 | unique311 | 256 |
| 09:34.13 | pupnik | there's probably a good reason to not pack lots of ram on these |
| 09:34.24 | unique311 | with virtual memory, the n800 does that already |
| 09:34.32 | `0660 | yeah, though i believe the amount will be higher with the next device |
| 09:34.36 | unique311 | should at least be 512 on the next one |
| 09:35.05 | unique311 | theres no good reason... |
| 09:35.11 | `0660 | if not for any other reason, it will be there because of competition |
| 09:35.52 | unique311 | 128 is plenty for the emailing and internet surfing |
| 09:36.06 | unique311 | that average users will use the device for. |
| 09:36.25 | pupnik | "Most of all, high power consumption from power hungry. SDRAM memory is a critical problem for battery-operated. embedded systems." |
| 09:36.26 | `0660 | it is, but not enough when you are in a review with another device with 512MB :) |
| 09:36.34 | pupnik | ieeexplore.ieee.org/iel5/ 9326/29637/01349362.pdf?arnumber=1349362 |
| 09:36.35 | gla55_ | it's enough memory if the average user doesn't notice it ending |
| 09:37.38 | unique311 | not sure, but i don't think the average user spends time on irc.. |
| 09:37.42 | unique311 | or knows of irc |
| 09:40.05 | pupnik | Memory systems are dominant energy consumers, and thus many energy reduction techniques |
| 09:40.08 | pupnik | for memory buses and devices have been proposed. |
| 09:40.16 | pupnik | - HOJUN SHIM, YONGSOO JOO, YONGSEOK CHOI, |
| 09:40.22 | pupnik | HOJUN SHIM, YONGSOO JOO, YONGSEOK CHOI, |
| 09:40.28 | pupnik | HOJUN SHIM, YONGSOO JOO, YONGSEOK CHOI, |
| 09:40.32 | pupnik | damn hilight |
| 09:40.40 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:40.40 | pupnik | have to take into account the interaction between a processor and cache memories together with |
| 09:40.55 | pupnik | the text i hilighted is not in the paste buffer |
| 09:40.56 | pupnik | sorry |
| 09:42.15 | unique311 | so less ram better battery time. |
| 09:42.37 | pupnik | yes |
| 09:44.21 | pupnik | http://www.embedded.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=193105740 |
| 09:45.22 | unique311 | i'm happy right now with my N800... |
| 09:45.55 | unique311 | its the hildon part of it I could care less for |
| 09:48.23 | unique311 | after finding playing with mypaint and rgbpaint yesterday. I'm very happy with my N800. |
| 09:49.35 | unique311 | guess everybody is looking for something on the internet tablet. |
| 09:50.38 | pupnik | when you think about the huge batteries that laptops need - and they only run a couple of hours... |
| 09:51.00 | unique311 | that sucks |
| 09:51.14 | unique311 | my thinkpad is down to about 3 1/2 |
| 09:51.23 | pupnik | the tablets yield a good performance/power ratio |
| 09:51.33 | unique311 | fujitsu is on 2+ |
| 09:52.21 | unique311 | prices for the IT battery is fair? |
| 09:57.02 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:34.30 | disq | morning |
| 10:34.31 | _Monkey | aloha |
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| 12:00.30 | onion | oh, great, now my 770 won't boot anymore :( |
| 12:00.40 | onion | I hope a reflash will fix it |
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| 12:48.25 | trevarthan | unique311: well, it looks like at least one person hates the new theme already. :) |
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| 12:51.01 | rwhitby | s/case/cause/ |
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| 13:46.12 | alterego | It'd be nice if maemo browser had view source .. |
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| 14:31.29 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 14:31.32 | pupnik | sphexish behavior |
| 14:31.52 | Jaffa | Any better suggestions? |
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| 15:01.09 | onion | ah.. flashing helped |
| 15:01.54 | onion | and my last backup is over 2 months old.. sigh |
| 15:02.49 | threei | how big of an mmc card you holding onion? |
| 15:03.06 | onion | threei: 1 gig |
| 15:03.37 | three- | ah cool |
| 15:03.50 | three- | just pickedup a 770.. feels nice |
| 15:03.59 | onion | why do you ask ? |
| 15:04.35 | three- | i'm wondering how much i should probably expand to.. ill probably get a 2gig card not sure how much those are. |
| 15:04.55 | onion | i'm planning on getting a 2gig for my other 770 |
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| 15:12.54 | pupnik | 2gig is very nice for putting the OS on the card |
| 15:13.22 | pupnik | my 2G card has 3 versions of the OS so i can muck about and restore easily |
| 15:15.32 | three- | word |
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| 15:18.11 | onion | strange, it feels musch faster after reflashing |
| 15:18.24 | onion | mutch |
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| 15:20.27 | Ratgnok | Hi |
| 15:24.40 | megabyte405 | onion: you might have had apps that were running all the time, indexing, etc, so that could be part of it |
| 15:24.57 | megabyte405 | onion: and I do think there are a few speed improvements, battery life (n800) is way better |
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| 15:27.50 | senuxis | any cbr/cbz reader for n800? |
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| 15:34.40 | pupnik | senuxis: is it correct that cbz are .zip files which need to be uncompressed fully before viewing, and that cbr (rar) can be partially uncompressed? (seems that way using 'comix' on my linux box) |
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| 15:36.04 | senuxis | you can uncompress cbz files |
| 15:36.13 | senuxis | i don't know about cbr |
| 15:36.28 | senuxis | i uncompressed cbz on my n800 |
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| 15:36.58 | senuxis | i use comix too, i want it to be ported to maemo |
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| 15:37.34 | pupnik | you've searched for it? |
| 15:38.35 | senuxis | what do you mean? |
| 15:38.50 | pupnik | searched to see if someone has already ported it? |
| 15:39.05 | senuxis | yes, but i've found no thing |
| 15:39.37 | senuxis | i've requested a port at the developer's sourceforge forum |
| 15:41.28 | pupnik | looking at it now... the package has some brain-damaged build scripts |
| 15:42.18 | senuxis | i think that some one tried to compile it and it failed |
| 15:42.29 | pupnik | oh blech, python |
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| 15:43.05 | megabyte405 | pupnik: why is python blech? It doesn't need to be compiled unless it also has C modules |
| 15:43.23 | senuxis | pupnik: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-1868.html |
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| 15:46.47 | senuxis | evince doesn |
| 15:46.59 | senuxis | evince doesn't work for me |
| 15:49.19 | derf | Python is blech because it requires 5+MB of interpreter and libraries on an embedded device instead of what would usally be about 20KB of compiled C code. |
| 15:49.26 | derf | Oh, and it runs dog slow to boot. |
| 15:58.05 | pupnik | if it's true that a) comix book archives are simply rars/zips, then i think they would not provide quick thumbnails or indexed decompression of individual files which would mean b) the viewer has to decompress the whole archive when opening and c) it would be painfully slow on the tablets |
| 15:59.07 | pupnik | i might be wrong about that |
| 16:00.08 | pupnik | but since you *can* unrar / unzip cbr and cbz so it's not really an interesting project to me |
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| 16:04.18 | senuxis | pupnik: have you checked this link, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-1868.html ? |
| 16:04.25 | pupnik | yes |
| 16:04.48 | senuxis | pupnik: it suggests that evince works with cbz/cbr files; can you confirm that? |
| 16:05.03 | senuxis | senuxis: it doesn |
| 16:05.20 | senuxis | it doesn't work for me |
| 16:05.52 | pupnik | maybe you could write the author of 'quiver' or another image viewer for the tablet to see if he/she is interested in adding cbr/cbz support - shouldn't be too hard (but it will probably be very slow) |
| 16:07.28 | pupnik | i just ran out of space on my desktop pc using comix |
| 16:07.39 | senuxis | pupnik: that wouldn't be needed if evince works with cbz/cbr, the problem is that it doesn't work for me, i'm wondering if it's a bug or i'm missing some libraries |
| 16:08.00 | pupnik | try it with a very small cbr/cbz |
| 16:08.04 | pupnik | maybe you're running out of space |
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| 16:08.43 | pupnik | zip up a few jpgs and name it as .cbz and try evince |
| 16:09.27 | senuxis | ok |
| 16:09.58 | senuxis | pupnik: i'll try that later, i can't try it now because my n800's charging |
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| 16:13.17 | senuxis | pupnik: i was wondering if it would be possible to make some kind of openoffice package for the n800 such as the microsoft office that can be found on windows mobile |
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| 16:14.13 | pupnik | openoffice is too big. try abiword and for spreadsheet i think gnumeric is ported |
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| 16:15.47 | senuxis | pupnik: gnumeric is ported but i can't find abiword |
| 16:17.45 | senuxis | pupnik: a n800 version that is; there is a 770 version |
| 16:19.38 | senuxis | pupnik |
| 16:19.38 | _Monkey | well, pupnik is here |
| 16:20.42 | senuxis | pupnik: a thread on the ITT forum said that |
| 16:20.43 | senuxis | megabyte405 is working on a 2007OS build |
| 16:20.56 | megabyte405 | ah yes, I am :) |
| 16:21.16 | megabyte405 | actually, right now I'm doing the Google Summer of Code for a different AbiWord feature ("AbiCollab") |
| 16:21.23 | megabyte405 | but I will get a build probably within a month or two |
| 16:21.42 | senuxis | megabyte405: okidoki |
| 16:22.05 | megabyte405 | if you looka round, though, you can find the 770 build, which works with a few caveats |
| 16:22.08 | megabyte405 | that I put also on itt |
| 16:22.16 | pupnik | http://www.abisource.com/downloads/apt/pool/user/ |
| 16:22.20 | megabyte405 | noooo |
| 16:22.25 | megabyte405 | just add the repository |
| 16:22.32 | megabyte405 | http://www.abisource.com/downloads/apt |
| 16:22.36 | megabyte405 | component: user |
| 16:22.40 | megabyte405 | distro: mistral |
| 16:22.41 | _Monkey | mistral is probably version 2.0 of the firmware. latest firmware is 2.3 so it's newer, and you don't need mistral |
| 16:22.56 | pupnik | http://www.abisource.com/downloads/apt/dists/distribution/mistral/binary-armel/Packages.gz 404 Not Found |
| 16:23.31 | pupnik | oops |
| 16:23.32 | pupnik | my bad |
| 16:23.35 | megabyte405 | I had it on mine... the equivalent apt line is "deb http://www.abisource.com/downloads/apt/ mistral user" |
| 16:25.58 | pupnik | Nice job megabyte405 -- all hildony and everything |
| 16:26.08 | megabyte405 | that wasn't my doing |
| 16:26.14 | megabyte405 | but I will relay the tahnks |
| 16:26.23 | megabyte405 | INdT did a lot of it, as did some of the other Abi hackers |
| 16:26.38 | megabyte405 | in fact, it's so hildony that it doesn't work perfectly going from 2.x to 3.x :) |
| 16:26.50 | megabyte405 | oddly enough, if it were less hildony, it would work better, go figure. |
| 16:27.06 | pupnik | :) |
| 16:27.07 | senuxis | megabyte405: what is "AbiCollab" |
| 16:27.21 | pupnik | Works great here. |
| 16:27.24 | megabyte405 | Real-time live, remote collaboration on word processing documents |
| 16:27.44 | megabyte405 | pupnik: just don't let the device fall asleep, or click to the right of the text, or it _will_ crash |
| 16:27.56 | megabyte405 | basically, as many people as you'd like can work together on one document at the same time, |
| 16:28.17 | megabyte405 | seamlessly, and even see each other's carets (insertion pointers), and I think also their selections |
| 16:28.26 | megabyte405 | and of course, a change one place changes it everywhere |
| 16:28.42 | pupnik | ok roger that crash :) |
| 16:28.53 | megabyte405 | pupnik: I warned you :) |
| 16:28.59 | megabyte405 | as long as you don't do those things, it's relatively stable |
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| 16:29.14 | megabyte405 | but I know that the ABI (programming interface) changed for sleep-related stuff between 2.x and 3.x |
| 16:29.18 | megabyte405 | so that's the cause of that crash |
| 16:29.26 | megabyte405 | and I'm not sure about the margin one, but I suspect it's also related |
| 16:29.31 | megabyte405 | since I don't think it does that on 770 |
| 16:30.05 | pupnik | 770 here - crashed it with click to right of text (different size fonts active in document) |
| 16:30.17 | senuxis | is there any thing else exciting being developed for maemo? |
| 16:30.19 | BladeRunner | somebody knows how to user gtk_text_buffer_insert to insert ISO-8859-1 ? |
| 16:30.39 | megabyte405 | pupnik: really? Oh, that is not good |
| 16:30.43 | megabyte405 | could you file a bug on that? |
| 16:30.51 | megabyte405 | (os 2006?) |
| 16:30.55 | megabyte405 | bugzilla.abisource.com |
| 16:31.01 | pupnik | yes 2006 49 latest |
| 16:31.05 | pupnik | ok |
| 16:32.03 | megabyte405 | The build, when it comes, will probably actually be a development release... |
| 16:32.24 | megabyte405 | 2.4.x works with some patches on Hildon, but I am new to the pseudo-maintainer role of the Hildon port, so I don't have those patches |
| 16:32.44 | megabyte405 | 2.5.x (which will become 2.6.x) has a lot of improvements/refactoring with regard to embedded platforms, and so it should really rock |
| 16:32.53 | megabyte405 | and, be a lot easier for me to get going (as well as supporting AbiCollab) |
| 16:33.29 | megabyte405 | which means you could collaborate on your 770/n800 with someone on a linux pc or a windows pc, easy |
| 16:36.12 | pupnik | what component do i file it under megabyte405 ? |
| 16:36.23 | pupnik | Editing-General? |
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| 16:37.13 | pupnik | FrontEnd-GTK? |
| 16:37.38 | pupnik | Editing-Text Boxes? |
| 16:39.29 | senuxis | is there any thing else exciting being developed for maemo? |
| 16:39.56 | pupnik | yes, see http://pupnik.de/software.html |
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| 16:40.33 | megabyte405 | pupnik: probably frontend-gtk |
| 16:40.39 | megabyte405 | we can change it later :) |
| 16:40.41 | pupnik | thanks megabyte405 |
| 16:40.47 | megabyte405 | np, thank you for filing the bug! |
| 16:40.56 | megabyte405 | and testing on 770 - since I only have an n800 |
| 16:42.36 | pupnik | can i launch it from xterm with strace? |
| 16:43.16 | pupnik | oh cripes i don't have strace |
| 16:45.05 | senuxis | pupnik: does gqview support archived images? |
| 16:45.14 | nelson | dang. Anybody else had their n800 get really really slow? |
| 16:45.17 | pupnik | what is an archived image? |
| 16:45.23 | nelson | And a reflash doesn't rescue you? |
| 16:45.43 | senuxis | pupnik: zipped, rared... files |
| 16:45.54 | pupnik | no |
| 16:47.02 | jbinder | 5 |
| 16:47.09 | jbinder | Oopw. |
| 16:47.16 | jbinder | Oops. |
| 16:47.36 | tso | hmm, not 2 min after i turned my 770 on it reboots... interesting. |
| 16:47.50 | tso | something tells me those nokia drivers are anything but reliable... |
| 16:48.20 | megabyte405 | tso: did you do something time consuming? |
| 16:48.31 | megabyte405 | it has a watchdog timer that restarts if it thinks it crashed or hung |
| 16:48.36 | tso | not really. i just browsed the main menu... |
| 16:49.06 | tso | hmm, i have seen this "reboot" before. it shows the nokia for the longest of time... |
| 16:49.25 | tso | so there is something that it has problems shutting down i think... |
| 16:49.35 | nelson | tso: the 770 kernel has a bug in it which causes large files to take a long time to be accessed. |
| 16:49.53 | nelson | tso: the watchdog says "I didn't fire!" and you get rebooted. |
| 16:50.04 | pupnik | woot, Chris made a new version of Gfrotz with resizable fonts (Infocom and Interactive fiction game interpreter) |
| 16:50.06 | nelson | tso: if it keeps rebooting, the only cure is a reflash. |
| 16:50.22 | pupnik | frotz? |
| 16:50.27 | pupnik | gfrotz? |
| 16:50.28 | tso | something i did not 2 days ago... |
| 16:51.24 | tso | hmm, i have no idea what the device is doing, but it keeps flashing the nokia logo... |
| 16:51.56 | nelson | tso: does it ever get to the home page? |
| 16:52.03 | nelson | Even a little? |
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| 16:52.17 | tso | i havnt even seen the loading bar. so im not sure if its shutting down or booting up... |
| 16:52.23 | NeoStrider | hello folks |
| 16:53.17 | pupnik | hi NeoStrider |
| 16:53.26 | pupnik | infocom? |
| 16:53.26 | _Monkey | i think infocom is the best known developer of text adventures, playable with gfrotz at http://maemo.org/downloads/product/gfrotz/ The console version is available at http://pupnik.de/frotz.html |
| 16:54.12 | NeoStrider | pupnik: can you show me your smw packages again...I may have found the solution to the menu puzzle |
| 16:54.12 | tso | no apparent response on the power switch so im pulling the battery on this thing. typical that just when i have it set up this kinda stuff happens. |
| 16:54.31 | nelson | frig. I leave for India this evening, and my n800 is dead. WAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 16:54.45 | pupnik | smw? |
| 16:54.46 | _Monkey | smw is Super Mario War at http://pupnik.de/smw.html |
| 16:55.16 | tso | nice collection pupnik, ill have to take a closer look. after i get my 770 back into shape :( |
| 16:55.26 | NeoStrider | thanks |
| 16:55.41 | tso | hmm, there is hope. i see a loading bar :) |
| 16:56.06 | tso | bingo, i got my desktop back :D |
| 16:56.24 | NeoStrider | got it |
| 16:56.33 | NeoStrider | the package is not correct |
| 16:56.51 | tso | hmm, could be that i forced that timer to trigger because i browsed the menu by the drag and hold method rather then click click click :P |
| 16:56.59 | NeoStrider | when you compare it with angstron package, you see angstron get more stuff into /use |
| 16:57.06 | NeoStrider | s/use/usr |
| 16:57.51 | NeoStrider | the .desktop and the .service files are not even included into the package |
| 16:58.03 | NeoStrider | this, you can set by hand, i guess |
| 16:58.59 | pupnik | ok thanks |
| 16:59.41 | NeoStrider | hope I didnt say anything obvious |
| 17:01.53 | pupnik | no, i think my local copy is missing the .service file |
| 17:02.52 | NeoStrider | I remeber hacking a anstron service file for smw, but I guess it want included in the package |
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| 17:07.25 | pupnik | NeoStrider: what fps do you play smw at? |
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| 17:09.42 | onion | pupnik: is that large file bug documented somewhere ? (define large ?) |
| 17:11.44 | zuh | NeoStrider: it's Ångström, not angstron ;P |
| 17:11.53 | pupnik | I don't know if it's a bug. I don't use evince or comic book archives. |
| 17:12.37 | onion | ok |
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| 17:38.31 | NeoStrider | zuh, actually is AngsTRON |
| 17:38.40 | NeoStrider | pupnik: fluent... |
| 17:38.48 | NeoStrider | maybe around 15-20 fps |
| 17:38.57 | NeoStrider | even with the swirl efect |
| 17:39.40 | zuh | NeoStrider: ah, sorry. I thought you were talking about the distro, but apparently not... :) |
| 17:39.42 | NeoStrider | I was lunching...gotta go |
| 17:39.47 | NeoStrider | no no |
| 17:39.51 | NeoStrider | angstron? |
| 17:39.51 | _Monkey | angstron is probably http://angstron.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 17:39.58 | NeoStrider | my game |
| 17:40.24 | NeoStrider | gotta go |
| 17:40.26 | NeoStrider | cya guys |
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| 18:12.33 | ajturner | what's the recommended ssh now - Dropbear or OpenSSH? |
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| 18:16.35 | internet-noor-ca | hello boys |
| 18:17.13 | internet-noor-ca | yesterday evinig i have take from the assistance nokia my nokia tablet 770 |
| 18:17.15 | pupnik | sexism! |
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| 18:17.34 | senuxis | ? |
| 18:17.54 | internet-noor-ca | when i gone to use the shell there was not anymore, all was removed |
| 18:18.15 | senuxis | hello internet-noor-ca |
| 18:18.42 | pupnik | internet-noor-ca: perhaps they re-flashed the operating system to factory default |
| 18:19.02 | internet-noor-ca | too the modality R&D, so i can't use with sudo gainroot i have not anymore previleges |
| 18:19.41 | internet-noor-ca | at home i have not connection adsl so i do not know how to solve the problem |
| 18:19.48 | internet-noor-ca | i must to flash |
| 18:19.48 | senuxis | internet-noor-ca: backup and reflash your device? |
| 18:20.13 | internet-noor-ca | i can't flash, at home i have not adsl |
| 18:20.18 | pupnik | i guess the assistance (service) reflashed it, |
| 18:20.24 | pupnik | becomeroot? |
| 18:20.25 | _Monkey | i guess becomeroot is is easily obtained from [770/OS2006] http://eko.one.pl/maemo/dists/mistral/user/binary-armel/becomeroot_0.1-2_armel.deb or [770/OS2007HE and N800/OS2007] http://eko.one.pl/maemo/dists/bora/user/binary-armel/becomeroot_0.1-2_armel.deb or for a more long winded method http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_BecomeRoot |
| 18:21.26 | senuxis | you don't need adsl to reflash |
| 18:21.39 | senuxis | which OS do you use? |
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| 18:22.08 | pupnik | Mi dispiace, ma non parlo l'italiano. |
| 18:24.20 | megabyte405 | ajturner: if you want more features, SCP/SFTP, etc, OpenSSH |
| 18:24.26 | megabyte405 | I used Dropbear but felt crippled by it. |
| 18:24.30 | ajturner | megabyte405: thx |
| 18:24.32 | ajturner | good advice |
| 18:24.33 | megabyte405 | so now I switched |
| 18:24.40 | GeNOc|DE | hi guys |
| 18:24.41 | megabyte405 | you do need to be in red pill mode to install openssh |
| 18:24.45 | megabyte405 | and make sure to remove dropbear first |
| 18:25.06 | pupnik | why red pill mode? doesn't root access suffice? |
| 18:25.28 | internet-noor-ca | what is the difference from mistral and bora ? |
| 18:25.37 | GeNOc|DE | anyone know of using the n770 to crack wep keys? know u can do it with a laptop etc but wondered if there was a way |
| 18:25.58 | senuxis | i wonder about that too |
| 18:26.44 | pupnik | internet-noor-ca: basically, mistral is for 770 and bora is for n800 |
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| 18:28.35 | GeNOc|DE | im sure the question has been asked before, just cant seem to find any info on it |
| 18:29.28 | internet-noor-ca | which packages i must download from this http://eko.one.pl/maemo/index.php?path=dists%2Fmistral%2Fdevel%2Fbinary-armel/ |
| 18:30.53 | ||cw2 | internet-noor-ca: they are code names for versions, like debian's sarge, sid |
| 18:31.18 | pupnik | internet-noor-ca: what program do you want to install? |
| 18:31.23 | senuxis | internet-noor-ca: what are you trying to do? |
| 18:32.00 | internet-noor-ca | reflash the nokia, nokia has removed the R&D |
| 18:32.51 | senuxis | internet-noor-ca: what is the R&D? |
| 18:38.57 | trevarthan | I think someone should do a poll on ITT with OSSO Media Player VS Canola VS UKMP VS Kagu. I'd like to see how it's divied up. In particular, I wonder how many followers Canola has vs OSSO Media Player. |
| 18:39.08 | internet-noor-ca | --enable-rd-mode Enable R&D mode on the device you can read on http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_use_flasher_rootfs_bora.html |
| 18:40.02 | trevarthan | Are there any other music players available for maemo that I've missed? I doubt mplayer counts |
| 18:40.33 | internet-noor-ca | vorbis ogg |
| 18:40.57 | internet-noor-ca | it has too support for streaming |
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| 18:42.23 | internet-noor-ca | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/oggplay/ |
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| 18:45.15 | internet-noor-ca | in italy we have the first problems about wi-fi with the law http://www.prontoconsumatore.it/ArchivioArticoli/tabid/72/ItemID/1566/View/Details/Default.aspx |
| 18:46.09 | senuxis | kagu's cool |
| 18:46.19 | senuxis | simple & effective |
| 18:46.21 | internet-noor-ca | i have never had, but there is too the jail for people who use connections of others people doing aircracking or only surfing |
| 18:46.37 | internet-noor-ca | without having any password |
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| 18:48.37 | pupnik | same in germany |
| 18:48.59 | internet-noor-ca | i have just reply that is no correct put in jail people only because have used connections of others people that have leaved port 80 and 21 opened it is as to leave the port of home and the doors opened and saying to a lawyer that anyone have done visit in my home |
| 18:49.11 | internet-noor-ca | you are in germany ? |
| 18:49.19 | internet-noor-ca | i am in roma |
| 18:49.27 | internet-noor-ca | italia |
| 18:49.37 | internet-noor-ca | zip 00151 |
| 18:49.55 | internet-noor-ca | 00393475092119 ninuxpdb@gmail.com |
| 18:50.15 | pupnik | this chat channel is logged |
| 18:50.41 | pupnik | heh |
| 18:50.46 | zakx | please include your mobile phone PIN and credit card numbers |
| 18:51.04 | pupnik | in germany they even now try to make open WLANs illegal |
| 18:51.04 | internet-noor-ca | i have just reply saying that i have not pin, i have removed |
| 18:51.16 | internet-noor-ca | we have wlan |
| 18:51.33 | internet-noor-ca | look the http://wiki.ninux.org |
| 18:51.49 | internet-noor-ca | in germany there is the http://freifunk.de |
| 18:52.24 | internet-noor-ca | and in these days my friends are to the http://www.ccc.de |
| 18:53.04 | pupnik | yes they are good. i will look into the open wlan. if it is allowed i will set up an open network here too. |
| 18:53.14 | internet-noor-ca | for the credit card, i have not credit card, i got only postpay and at the moment there are 0 euros |
| 18:58.20 | internet-noor-ca | for the english version of wiki.ninux.org look http://wiki.ninux.org/FrontPage |
| 19:00.01 | internet-noor-ca | the http of the ninux.org is http://ninux.org so if you desire you can see all our jobs about wlan |
| 19:01.59 | internet-noor-ca | you can download too from http://ninux.org/index.php?c=19&static=Libri the book Wireless Networks in the Developing World in *.pdf |
| 19:02.49 | pupnik | thank you for the link to freifunk internet-noor-ca |
| 19:02.52 | internet-noor-ca | salve shackan |
| 19:03.48 | internet-noor-ca | if you are in germany you can go to the ccc tomorrow is the last day |
| 19:04.03 | *** join/#maemo shackan (n=frob@82.53.74.141) |
| 19:04.07 | pupnik | to get software from eko.one.pl you must add the "repository" http://eko.one.pl/maemo into the 'application manager' |
| 19:04.42 | pupnik | under tools->application manager |
| 19:04.53 | internet-noor-ca | http://events.ccc.de/camp/2007/Intro/ |
| 19:05.04 | pupnik | i can not go there, but i like the CCC :) |
| 19:05.19 | internet-noor-ca | Chaos Communication Camp 2007 |
| 19:05.19 | internet-noor-ca | The International Hacker Open Air Gathering |
| 19:05.19 | internet-noor-ca | 8|9|10|11|12th August 2007 |
| 19:05.19 | internet-noor-ca | Finowfurt near Berlin, Germany (Old Europe) |
| 19:05.25 | pupnik | then click application manager menu: tools->application catalog |
| 19:05.30 | pupnik | it is too expensive |
| 19:05.53 | pupnik | then click 'new' and add deb http://eko.one.pl/maemo mistral user |
| 19:06.05 | pupnik | then you can get the packages from eko using the application manager |
| 19:06.40 | pupnik | afk saving the world |
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| 19:08.13 | internet-noor-ca | Chaos Communication Camp 2007 The International Hacker Open Air Gathering 8|9|10|11|12th August 2007 |
| 19:08.26 | internet-noor-ca | Finowfurt near Berlin, Germany (Old Europe) |
| 19:09.22 | internet-noor-ca | why you can't go to the ccc ? |
| 19:10.02 | pupnik | money / euros |
| 19:11.15 | internet-noor-ca | you don't need money |
| 19:11.34 | internet-noor-ca | you can do the autostop |
| 19:12.09 | pupnik | this is also true |
| 19:12.18 | internet-noor-ca | ok next time is from 4 years |
| 19:14.05 | pupnik | that is a long time to wait :( |
| 19:14.24 | internet-noor-ca | listen me, now i must to go, but if you want to subscribe to the mailing list of ninux.org you must send a mail to wireless-ml-subscribe@ninux.org |
| 19:14.47 | pupnik | ok i will look at ninux |
| 19:15.17 | internet-noor-ca | when you desire to delete from the mailing list only wireless-ml-unscribe@ninux.org |
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| 19:16.12 | pupnik | ok - nice to meet you internet-noor-ca |
| 19:16.16 | internet-noor-ca | ah, for the off topic write in the body and in the object off topic and then what you desire to say us |
| 19:18.07 | internet-noor-ca | i have take all your http's and i have sent to my e-mail so when i can use the wi-fi i connect, i download hoping to turn back to becomeroot r&d |
| 19:19.36 | internet-noor-ca | ah, when i write on the xterm sudo gainroot i receive as reply : |
| 19:20.32 | internet-noor-ca | Enable RD mode if you want to break your de |
| 19:20.33 | pupnik | i did 1) install dropbear ssh 2) ssh to root@nokiatablet (password 'rootme') 3) apt-get install becomeroot then sudo gainroot worked (iirc) |
| 19:20.42 | pupnik | RD mode is not needed |
| 19:21.03 | internet-noor-ca | i want it |
| 19:21.10 | internet-noor-ca | it was so first |
| 19:21.11 | pupnik | ok |
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| 19:22.02 | internet-noor-ca | why there is not a version of openssh.armel ? |
| 19:22.15 | internet-noor-ca | why i must compile ? |
| 19:22.23 | pupnik | there is but i do n;t know the URL |
| 19:23.07 | internet-noor-ca | how to remove flash, the notepad, games, reader of pdf, video, audio, mpeg..... |
| 19:24.07 | internet-noor-ca | i want only support for theora, vorbis ogg, gnash, emacs, a port of gcc, gdb.... |
| 19:24.17 | internet-noor-ca | gnumake... |
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| 19:25.30 | internet-noor-ca | i got the kernel Linux Nokia770-49 2.6.16.27-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Wedn |
| 19:26.02 | internet-noor-ca | is the last one for nokia 770 or not ? |
| 19:27.03 | pupnik | uname -a |
| 19:27.03 | pupnik | Linux Nokia770-49 2.6.16.27-omap1 #1 PREEMPT |
| 19:29.48 | internet-noor-ca | anyone have seen the http://openmoko.com |
| 19:30.55 | internet-noor-ca | bye bye ericsson, nokia, samsung, lg.... |
| 19:31.15 | ajturner | has anyone played with carman? |
| 19:31.53 | internet-noor-ca | http://openmoko.com/products-neo-advanced-00-develkit.html 450$$ USA |
| 19:33.03 | internet-noor-ca | http://openmoko.com/products-neo-advanced-03-hardware.html http://openmoko.com/products-neo-advanced-04-software.html |
| 19:33.24 | internet-noor-ca | http://openmoko.com/products-neo-advanced-00-develkit.html |
| 19:33.36 | Fatal | are you going to paste every page they have? |
| 19:33.44 | Fatal | :D |
| 19:34.20 | ajturner | internet-noor-ca must be a harvest-bot |
| 19:34.28 | Fatal | heh |
| 19:34.56 | internet-noor-ca | no i am not a bot |
| 19:35.18 | ajturner | just what a bot WOULD say |
| 19:35.23 | ajturner | :) |
| 19:36.14 | tso | you know the world is mad when a person have his fingers modified to be able to better use the iphone... |
| 19:36.28 | internet-noor-ca | :-( |
| 19:36.31 | internet-noor-ca | iphone |
| 19:36.32 | _Monkey | iphone is, like, a flashy interface made to suck money out of people on outdated technology and walled gardens |
| 19:36.37 | Fatal | that's just insane, and I still want to see pictures on how his thumbs look now |
| 19:36.50 | internet-noor-ca | more better openmoko neo1973 |
| 19:37.11 | Fatal | _Monkey: good thing you have your placebo freedom :) |
| 19:37.12 | _Monkey | Fatal: huh? |
| 19:37.19 | Fatal | oh, bot |
| 19:37.39 | Fatal | whoever set the description got their placebo freedom then :D |
| 19:37.58 | internet-noor-ca | and then is not free software, it is not GNU/linux embedded, i refuse to use a phone that has not GNU/linux |
| 19:38.21 | Fatal | internet-noor-ca: so it's been motorola for you the last couple of years? |
| 19:38.39 | internet-noor-ca | i forgot to say you that i am associated member of fsf.org |
| 19:39.11 | Fatal | ah good, I like it when fanatics earmark themselves :) |
| 19:39.39 | internet-noor-ca | on my computers there is only GNU/linux i use GNU/linux GNU/HURD, GNU/KFreeBSD |
| 19:41.02 | nelson | has anybody seen their N800 slow down to the point of unusability? |
| 19:41.06 | internet-noor-ca | i got the t-shirt http://www.gnu.org/gear/Happy-tshirt.html thar Richard Matthew Stallman rms |
| 19:41.31 | melmoth | mouahahah gnu/freebsd this one was funny :)) |
| 19:41.56 | internet-noor-ca | given me when he came in Italy the last 8 June 2007 to the ARA PACIS |
| 19:42.35 | internet-noor-ca | and i stay to dinner with him till 1.30 a.m. |
| 19:42.43 | Fatal | ok, who put a fsf trolling markov bot on the channel? |
| 19:42.47 | unique311 | Fatal, http://news.softpedia.com/newsImage/Man-Surgically-Whittles-His-Thumbs-for-Best-iPhone-Use-2.jpg |
| 19:43.00 | unique311 | doesn't look that bad |
| 19:43.27 | Fatal | that's not his thumb, and not his hand for all that matters :) |
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| 19:43.40 | nelson | At least he doesn't chime in with "But it's GNU/Linux" when somebody says that the ITT series runs Linux. |
| 19:43.42 | internet-noor-ca | http://openmoko.com/ is better and is free software |
| 19:43.56 | Fatal | internet-noor-ca: than maemo? |
| 19:44.01 | Fatal | internet-noor-ca: than hurd? |
| 19:44.04 | Fatal | internet-noor-ca: than RMS? |
| 19:44.34 | unique311 | are you sure |
| 19:44.47 | internet-noor-ca | my friends prefeer to buy openmoko than iphone |
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| 19:45.05 | *** part/#maemo ajturner (n=ajturner@adsl-67-38-13-205.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net) |
| 19:45.06 | unique311 | http://blogs.zdnet.com/ip-telephony/?p=2182 maybe thats its |
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| 19:45.36 | unique311 | why do the thumb |
| 19:45.45 | unique311 | wouldn't a better choice be the index |
| 19:47.38 | internet-noor-ca | http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS2986976174.html |
| 19:48.32 | Fatal | are you just going to keep on pasting neo links? wouldn't it be better if you went to #openmoko and talked with them instead? |
| 19:49.03 | internet-noor-ca | FIC's approach in sponsoring the OpenMoko project resembles that taken by Nokia, which finances a "Maemo" software development community for its 770 Internet Tablet. Moss-Pultz acknowledges, "I have to give mad props to Nokia. I just think it's a shame [the 770] is not a phone. |
| 19:49.19 | pupnik | ~join us now and share the software... you'll be free hacker, you'll bee free-e-e-e-e~ |
| 19:49.38 | Fatal | why-cooperation-with-rms-is-impossible.mp3 <3 |
| 19:49.44 | nelson | :-) |
| 19:49.45 | internet-noor-ca | funny i know the rms's song |
| 19:49.49 | nelson | jwz |
| 19:49.55 | Fatal | nelson: aye |
| 19:49.58 | nelson | funny you would. |
| 19:50.06 | internet-noor-ca | who changed in *mp3 it is native *.ogg |
| 19:50.23 | Fatal | ogg wasn't out when it was recorded, but nice trolling |
| 19:50.34 | nelson | internet-noor-ca: gee, my copy is an mp3 |
| 19:51.15 | pupnik | i'd like a fat opera lady singing that song |
| 19:51.21 | internet-noor-ca | excuse me it is no *.ogg but *.au |
| 19:51.24 | pupnik | backed by a death-metal band wailing on guitars |
| 19:51.35 | pupnik | yep sun audio |
| 19:51.36 | trevarthan | wow. this internet-noor-ca guy is annoying. |
| 19:51.40 | ||cw2 | internet-noor-ca: you have seen this right? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Developer_preview |
| 19:51.48 | Fatal | trevarthan: he's kind of amusing |
| 19:51.50 | trevarthan | anyone have op status? kick 'em |
| 19:51.56 | pupnik | language barrier |
| 19:52.17 | pupnik | lets see how smart you sound trying to speak italian |
| 19:52.48 | internet-noor-ca | you can download from my http://www.gnu-linux.it/00/23.html |
| 19:53.16 | internet-noor-ca | so you got text and song in *.au |
| 19:53.53 | trevarthan | pupnik: are you saying that the incessant moko links are due to a language barrier? |
| 19:54.09 | Fatal | pupnik: I doubt anyone is making fun of the language barrier, there's not a requirement to use fancy language to come off as smart |
| 19:54.26 | Fatal | or communicable |
| 19:54.29 | pupnik | 21:40 <infobot> us now and share the software... you'll be free hacker, you'll bee free-e-e-e-e~ is not a valid channel name. |
| 19:55.06 | Fatal | :) |
| 19:55.34 | pupnik | didn't realize that irssi parsed ~join as /join |
| 19:56.04 | internet-noor-ca | i leaved you my http://www.gnu-linux.it/00/23.html if you desire, you can download text, images, song |
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| 19:57.39 | pupnik | oops |
| 19:57.40 | pupnik | i think i have seen this page before |
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| 20:02.02 | nelson | anybody seen their N800 run REALLY SLOWLY, and then finally the watchdog reboots? |
| 20:02.33 | trevarthan | nelson: sounds like you ran out of ram. |
| 20:02.44 | trevarthan | happens to me all the time during kagu development. |
| 20:02.47 | nelson | no, I've seen that before. |
| 20:02.52 | trevarthan | or maybe you ran out of CPU. |
| 20:03.02 | nelson | this occurs every time, and I even reflashed. |
| 20:03.06 | trevarthan | high continuous CPU seems to trigger the watchdog too. |
| 20:03.38 | nelson | the backlight will light up when I touch the screen, but its otherwise unresponsive. |
| 20:04.04 | nelson | It goes online and I can ping it just fine. |
| 20:04.11 | nelson | but the user interface is totally hosed. |
| 20:04.23 | trevarthan | how do you get it out of that state? |
| 20:04.27 | nelson | It's like something is looping in the default software. |
| 20:04.37 | nelson | trevarthan: good question! It's hosed. |
| 20:04.46 | trevarthan | ah. try pulling the battery. |
| 20:04.47 | nelson | reboot won't fix it, neither has reflashing fixed it. |
| 20:05.06 | nelson | I've tried that. |
| 20:05.11 | nelson | I'll try leaving it pulled for a while. |
| 20:05.14 | trevarthan | you're screwed then. |
| 20:05.26 | trevarthan | warranty time? |
| 20:05.29 | nelson | maybe. |
| 20:05.35 | nelson | trouble is that I'm leaving for India in an hour. |
| 20:05.42 | trevarthan | :) |
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| 20:05.46 | nelson | I'll just have to suffer with my 770 |
| 20:06.03 | ajturner | nelson: did you recently update something? sounds like the problem I had when I installed dropbear awhile ago |
| 20:06.19 | ajturner | there was a bug where I had to touch the screen randomly for several mins to build up the random |
| 20:06.34 | nelson | ajturner: hmmmm..... I reflashed. |
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| 20:06.55 | nelson | ajturner: but I've also let it sit for an hour or so ... with network traffic. |
| 20:07.01 | nelson | that should provide enough randomness. |
| 20:07.17 | ajturner | nelson: it was a bug that I "think" has been fixed too - though not sure |
| 20:07.33 | nelson | I've reflashed to the latest n greatest. |
| 20:07.39 | nelson | however, I'll give your suggestion a try. |
| 20:07.47 | nelson | otherwise, I need to get packing. |
| 20:07.47 | ajturner | you have an hour to kill ;) |
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| 20:08.43 | mary | http://html.sxx.com/4/3/vids/472/3947/15/nude/10_b3301_01.html?pr=10&su=2&ad=28478 |
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| 20:31.06 | sparr | ive got 2007 HE on my 770. when i turn it on, it makes the 'turning off' beep, flashes a white screen, THEN goes through the turning on process... whats up with that? |
| 20:32.58 | erstazi | sparr, I am not sure, I think pupnik would know about that, he dual boots OS2006 and OS2007HE |
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| 20:33.05 | erstazi | hi UKP |
| 20:33.30 | UKP | hi |
| 20:34.02 | UKP | finally got xchat 2.8.4 working on n800 |
| 20:34.06 | erstazi | ah |
| 20:34.17 | erstazi | nice huh? I use Xchat on my tablet |
| 20:34.34 | UKP | its small, but works |
| 20:34.38 | erstazi | I like to use irssi but I do not think there is any ports for OS2006 and its not a priority for me to port |
| 20:35.00 | orakle | do you guys know of any msn-compatible IM apps for maemo where I can use the stylus directly |
| 20:35.04 | orakle | i.e. not text recognition |
| 20:35.08 | UKP | irssi = command line |
| 20:35.09 | orakle | just drawing what i want to say |
| 20:35.12 | UKP | ? |
| 20:35.43 | erstazi | UKP, yes |
| 20:35.59 | erstazi | UKP, I use Linux primarily for everything, hence why I went with this tablet |
| 20:36.37 | sparr | ok, i will wait and ask him |
| 20:37.01 | erstazi | sparr, I thought of getting OS2007HE dualboot but I just need to get small stuff done right now |
| 20:37.05 | sparr | vnc 770>pc = awesome |
| 20:37.26 | erstazi | I might need help with testing a port for pocketsphinx |
| 20:37.32 | erstazi | sparr, yes |
| 20:37.34 | UKP | i use osx, but the n800 is useful for using when watching tv |
| 20:37.56 | sparr | so far i am liking 2007 HE in general, for features and stuff |
| 20:38.12 | erstazi | sparr, slower than OS2006? |
| 20:38.33 | sparr | barely. slower to boot for sure, but for general usage im not noticing a slowdown |
| 20:38.49 | sparr | maybe 1 second longer to launch opera |
| 20:39.04 | sparr | but im finding more and more new features and bug fixes and such that i love |
| 20:39.40 | erstazi | yeah |
| 20:41.01 | pupnik | sparr - i don't recall ever seeing that |
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| 20:51.13 | erstazi | hi pdz |
| 20:51.16 | erstazi | pdz-, |
| 20:51.36 | erstazi | hi pdz- |
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| 20:56.01 | erstazi | hi juco2 |
| 20:56.12 | juco2 | hi |
| 21:03.14 | tso | so i take it that it may be worth going for 2007he? |
| 21:03.21 | sparr | its less stable |
| 21:03.25 | sparr | and it has package issues |
| 21:03.42 | tso | well if so then i think ill stay with 2006... |
| 21:03.42 | sparr | the base HE image has a dpkg inconsistency... youd think someone would fix that before packaging it |
| 21:04.32 | tso | im getting the feel that 2207he was made to shut the community up about nokia abandoning the 770 to soon... |
| 21:05.33 | pupnik | the 770 community hasn't done much for 2007he |
| 21:06.23 | pupnik | bugreports, development etc |
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| 21:06.58 | tso | heh, maybe because its useless with the closed up drivers and all... |
| 21:08.32 | tso | there is also the thing that the 770 was a testbed, not a real consumer device. but with the recent dump of leftover (im guessing thats whats going on) it got a renewed interest from people that passed on if for being to expensive at the time and now was eyeing the N800 |
| 21:10.28 | pupnik | i can understand them being cautious about a new product approach and business model |
| 21:10.45 | pupnik | new OS etc |
| 21:11.11 | roope | It's... ocntinuous development and "a consumer device" are ... well, not always equal. |
| 21:11.22 | pupnik | guardian i think (or was it the register?) had an epic story on Psion (the company) |
| 21:11.26 | roope | A general consumer couldn't care less if the platform is under further development. He buys the device for his current needs. |
| 21:11.42 | pupnik | agree with roope |
| 21:12.02 | guardian | no i don't ! |
| 21:12.04 | guardian | :D |
| 21:12.41 | tso | true that roope. hell, look at non-smartphones. only "recently" have nokia and SE opened for home updating. LG and samsung have yet to do so iirc |
| 21:12.43 | pupnik | heh... :) that's the definition of a product for most biz folks |
| 21:13.28 | pupnik | 'here's what it costs, here's what it does, and this is whom we sell it to' |
| 21:13.38 | sparr | tso: the recent dump was how i got one, and my boss got one, and our office got 6 :) |
| 21:13.48 | sparr | the 770 at $500 wasnt really a great device |
| 21:13.53 | sparr | at $130... pretty spiffy |
| 21:13.54 | tso | also, what does the N800 provide that a phone cant to a consumer? better web? sorry, but for that one need to use the mobile network to fully use. and the operators there wants to bleed the users dry... |
| 21:14.13 | tso | i know sparr, thats how i got one to |
| 21:14.22 | sparr | plenty of carriers provide unlimited data plans |
| 21:14.49 | tso | maybe so sparr |
| 21:14.50 | roope | unlimited data is coming in a big way really soon. |
| 21:15.02 | roope | (at least in Europe) |
| 21:15.08 | tso | im not holding my breath |
| 21:15.26 | tso | that depends on what part of europe one live it... |
| 21:15.26 | pupnik | about 45 euro/month for me here for quasi-unlimited |
| 21:15.47 | roope | Elisa (in Finland) is offering unlimited 384kbit data for 10 euros per month. |
| 21:15.56 | roope | That's a pretty good deal. |
| 21:16.16 | tso | my only hope is that someone manage to port webkit or gecko to the 770. opera is driving me ever so slightly nuts |
| 21:16.50 | pupnik | is that opera's fault? |
| 21:17.10 | sparr | i think 2008 is the year of the open handheld/phone |
| 21:17.46 | tso | i dont know pupnik, i dont know |
| 21:17.46 | pupnik | lets hope intel doesn't screw it up |
| 21:18.11 | sparr | n800, openmoko, minione, etc |
| 21:18.25 | pupnik | i don't either tso - i found some things worked better in 2007he - waiting for the next release |
| 21:19.01 | tso | ok, nice to know. how is the ajax performance with HE? some pages seems to crawl to a halt... |
| 21:19.32 | tso | openmoko is interesting as they at least seems determined to use as much open drivers as they can get away with |
| 21:19.39 | pupnik | i instinctively avoid those kinds of tites |
| 21:19.42 | pupnik | sites |
| 21:19.53 | tso | so as long as the hardware works people may update it |
| 21:19.55 | pupnik | hmm 'bloated tites' |
| 21:20.20 | tso | heh, same way one at one time would avoid flash and java "enabled" sites? |
| 21:20.28 | tso | but, back to the anime |
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| 21:20.41 | pupnik | re konttori |
| 21:21.17 | pupnik | viva la right-hand-side-button revolution! |
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| 22:42.30 | saaib | mhh.. |
| 22:42.51 | saaib | anyone knows a good video source that can be seen in the 770? |
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| 22:58.00 | pupnik | joerb |
| 22:59.04 | tso | depends on your definition of good i guess ;) |
| 22:59.28 | tso | youtube can be seen on the 770. just not directly in the browser... |
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| 23:07.22 | sparr | tso: standalone flash player? |
| 23:07.44 | tso | more like a standalone youtube player |
| 23:08.50 | tso | ukmp comes bundled with uktube. a app thats able to take a youtube page url, extract the video, and store it onto the device. then if you have mplayer installed you can fire up mplayer to play the video. |
| 23:09.34 | tso | i have used it with good results. but be warned that uktube is touchy about the connection and will basically hang if it has problems downloading... |
| 23:10.57 | tso | i think this is a similar solution to what archos did on their 605wifi media player. as it to can play youtube videos, but only outside the opera browser... |
| 23:16.06 | gw280 | on maemo I can't seem to find which header gdk_cairo_create is prototyped in |
| 23:16.25 | gw280 | a recursive grep in /usr/include doesn't turf up anything |
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| 23:36.35 | saaib | tso, so, how do you get the videos downloaded into 770 from the webpage? |
| 23:37.09 | tso | copy the youtube page url, paste it into uktube, and hit download ;) |
| 23:38.54 | saaib | tso, what's the url to download uktube? |
| 23:39.10 | tso | go look for ukmp, its budled with that |
| 23:39.53 | nchntr | i use a website called vidconvert, it might be the same thing |
| 23:40.27 | nchntr | www.bleb.org/services/vidconvert/ |
| 23:41.19 | tso | hey, thanks. didnt know about that one :P |
| 23:41.34 | tso | that may be one problem, to find out about all the available solutions... |
| 23:43.02 | nchntr | can anyone tell me how to get a folder from root to user (owner?) permissions |
| 23:43.18 | tso | chmod in xterm? |
| 23:43.20 | nchntr | im trying to get a USB Harddrive mounted in maemo |
| 23:43.23 | tso | no wait, chown |
| 23:43.30 | nchntr | it wont let me |
| 23:43.43 | nchntr | i have be messing with this for almost all day.. |
| 23:44.06 | saaib | nchntr, try to umount the usb drive as root and the mount it as the user |
| 23:44.08 | tso | hmm, mount options? dont need to be owned by user if the umask is set correctly iirc |
| 23:46.03 | nchntr | i create the folders usbhda5 through maemo filemanager, that makes it a drwxr-xr-x user users folder permissions |
| 23:46.46 | nchntr | i then xterm, sudo gainroot, then mv it to /media/ (my mount location) |
| 23:46.50 | nchntr | that works fine |
| 23:47.39 | nchntr | still has user users permissions.. i then ln -s /media/usbhda5 /home/user/MyDocs |
| 23:48.10 | nchntr | i get a folder there still with user users permissions i can see from maemo apps, i can even mkdir and save to |
| 23:49.04 | nchntr | i clear that out and in a root term i mount -t vfat /dev/usbhda5 /media/usbhda5 |
| 23:49.18 | nchntr | then the dir goes to root root permissions |
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| 23:49.50 | nchntr | i am assuming i need to chmod back to user or users? and what would the switches be? |
| 23:50.50 | tso | hmm, slap "-0 uid=user" (no quotes) or something on the mount command |
| 23:51.04 | mmlj4 | so what's the deal? what is the latest OS I can put on my 770? or can/should I apt-get dist-upgrade instead? |
| 23:51.16 | sp3000 | -o usually, no? |
| 23:52.07 | tso | crap wrong key and didnt notice :P |
| 23:52.14 | tso | thanks sp3000 |
| 23:52.49 | mmlj4 | s the 2007 hacker edition what I want? |
| 23:53.51 | nchntr | so something like mount -t vfat -o uid=user /dev/sda5 /media/usbhda5 |
| 23:54.42 | nchntr | invalid arguement |
| 23:57.14 | tso | ah, silly me, it wants the numeric one... |
| 23:57.15 | sp3000 | it probably wants a numeric uid |
| 23:57.39 | nchntr | hmm ok i used uid=29999 (like the mmc1 uses) that worked, but now dir permissions are user root |
| 23:58.45 | tso | maybe go with umask=777 instead? or would that remove all permissions? i allways forget as the umask thing is very "backwards"... |
| 23:59.09 | nchntr | sweet that did it.. the uid=29999 |
| 23:59.40 | nchntr | yeah.. now i have rw access to my ext drives... now to get them to work in fstab or to find a script executer... |
