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| 00:02.20 | artemisprime | i installed xterminal |
| 00:02.28 | artemisprime | and that works |
| 00:02.54 | artemisprime | but nothing when i type in pidgin from the prompt > |
| 00:02.55 | artemisprime | ? |
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| 00:06.12 | artemisprime | does anyone know pidgin's path ? |
| 00:08.33 | artemisprime | anyone gotten pidgin to run on 770 ? |
| 00:08.45 | artemisprime | i cant seem to find the executable |
| 00:08.49 | artemisprime | grrr.. |
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| 00:12.02 | artemisprime | where are the applications installed ?? |
| 00:12.08 | artemisprime | what is the path ? |
| 00:15.07 | artemisprime | -sh: Pidgin: not found\ |
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| 00:19.01 | milhouse | it's /usr/bin/pidgin on n800 |
| 00:19.48 | milhouse | not really sure if thats what is executed by the entry in Extras though... running /usr/bin/piding did nothing |
| 00:20.21 | onion_ | sweet.. just got espeak->gst on the 770 to work, pretty nice |
| 00:22.10 | milhouse | artemisprime - it looks like the Extras menu does launch /usr/bin/pidgin but quite why it doesn't work from the command line is not clear to me |
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| 00:22.54 | artemisprime | its not in my extras at all |
| 00:23.06 | milhouse | doesn't sound like it's installed |
| 00:23.06 | artemisprime | thats the problem |
| 00:23.17 | artemisprime | i run the install file |
| 00:23.19 | milhouse | did you install the extra repository for pidgin on 770? |
| 00:23.24 | artemisprime | and it says it installs |
| 00:23.35 | artemisprime | i dont think so |
| 00:23.47 | artemisprime | can u give me a link plz ? |
| 00:23.47 | milhouse | pidgin? |
| 00:23.47 | _Monkey | pidgin is probably http://pidgin.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 00:24.02 | artemisprime | but that page doesnt help me |
| 00:24.15 | artemisprime | its not clear |
| 00:24.29 | artemisprime | what i need to install for the extra repository |
| 00:24.50 | artemisprime | it looks like i need to install mistrall which i guess is not the case |
| 00:25.04 | milhouse | you need the repository listed in #2 below "Where?" |
| 00:25.24 | milhouse | also the repository in #3 (specifying mistral not bora) |
| 00:25.36 | milhouse | and finally the repository in #5 |
| 00:25.49 | artemisprime | #2 is the install file |
| 00:25.50 | milhouse | then install pidgin once you've added those threee repositories |
| 00:25.53 | milhouse | yes |
| 00:26.04 | artemisprime | then 3 has nothing to install |
| 00:26.07 | milhouse | add all 3 repositories _then_ install the application |
| 00:26.10 | artemisprime | just a dir listing |
| 00:26.12 | artemisprime | see ? |
| 00:26.25 | milhouse | what's a directory listing? |
| 00:26.38 | artemisprime | click on the link for 3 |
| 00:26.46 | artemisprime | its not a download |
| 00:27.08 | milhouse | you're viewing the reepository via a browser, that's not how the application manager views the repository |
| 00:27.08 | onion_ | artemisprime: you're supposed to add the repository, not click on any links |
| 00:27.10 | unique311 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:27.10 | unique311 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:27.22 | unique311 | wtf |
| 00:27.44 | shackan | ? |
| 00:27.52 | artemisprime | well it bring me to the index of apt |
| 00:27.57 | onion_ | artemisprime: read #1 |
| 00:28.44 | milhouse | the app manager will add an additional path to the url you enter... ie. /dists |
| 00:29.47 | milhouse | but you don't specify /dists in the path.. it's automatic... don't worry, the pidgin instructions are correct |
| 00:30.23 | artemisprime | im in the app manager now under new |
| 00:30.27 | milhouse | drill into the dists directory on maemo-hackers.org/apt and you'll see the bora directory which is where the app manager will be looking when you install the applications |
| 00:30.47 | milhouse | ok so add the 3 repositories as specified on the pidgin page |
| 00:30.48 | sparr | are there any qte or gpe environments for maemo? the memory overhead of X is killing me |
| 00:31.22 | artemisprime | thats the problem i cant |
| 00:31.24 | sparr | or, same reason, are there any alternate WMs? maybe matchbox or something? |
| 00:31.30 | artemisprime | i can only install whats in the list |
| 00:31.53 | shackan | sparr: aren't they using matchbox already ? |
| 00:32.04 | milhouse | artemis - you're not making sense... what's the problem? |
| 00:32.14 | milhouse | how far have you got? |
| 00:32.19 | sparr | shackan: yes, with a very heavy launcher on top of it. i would hope for 'raw' matchbox. |
| 00:32.23 | shackan | "Matchbox window manager is featured as part of the Maemo platform as used on the Nokia 770 and N800." |
| 00:32.25 | shackan | oh |
| 00:33.16 | sparr | maemo-launcher is nice and all... but its overkill imho |
| 00:34.31 | shackan | I don't think I even know what it does, apart from "launching apps" |
| 00:35.02 | sparr | im working under the assumption that it also provides the on screen keyboard |
| 00:36.35 | sparr | is there a list/forum/thread anywhere where people keep up with things that can be safely removed from the system? |
| 00:36.57 | sparr | the default images/audio/video is an obvious choice, but im talking more deep stuff like the defunct visudo binary |
| 00:40.41 | milhouse | anyone willing to help me diagnose an rss feed reader bug? you'll need xterm, and an n800 with 4.2007... :) |
| 00:40.59 | sparr | milhouse: 1 for 3, sorry :( |
| 00:41.05 | *** join/#maemo glizitch (n=faffx@65.30.176.32) |
| 00:41.09 | glizitch | hey |
| 00:41.13 | glizitch | milhouse |
| 00:41.13 | _Monkey | hmmm... milhouse is a bit concerned about how the ui eats cpu cycles all the time :( |
| 00:41.20 | glizitch | this is artemisprime |
| 00:41.26 | glizitch | sorr bout tha |
| 00:41.27 | glizitch | t |
| 00:41.27 | milhouse | lol - how true _monkey |
| 00:41.41 | milhouse | hello glizitch |
| 00:41.58 | glizitch | so where were we |
| 00:42.10 | glizitch | i dont know how to specify |
| 00:42.12 | milhouse | you were stuck and about to explain in detail where you were stuck |
| 00:42.18 | glizitch | yes |
| 00:42.34 | glizitch | at the install new apps screen |
| 00:42.34 | sparr | _Monkey: forget milhouse |
| 00:42.35 | _Monkey | sparr: I forgot milhouse |
| 00:42.39 | sparr | _Monkey: botsnack |
| 00:42.40 | _Monkey | :) |
| 00:42.50 | milhouse | nooo..... i liked that quote about me! :) |
| 00:43.03 | milhouse | ok, how'd it go with the repository details in item #2 ? |
| 00:43.34 | glizitch | in #2 |
| 00:43.40 | glizitch | i installed the deb file |
| 00:44.05 | milhouse | what deb file in #2? it's a repository |
| 00:44.24 | milhouse | did you add the repository to you application catalogue? |
| 00:44.26 | glizitch | the 4.7 meg file |
| 00:44.42 | milhouse | dude... have you added all 3 repositories succesfully? |
| 00:44.53 | glizitch | i guess not |
| 00:45.02 | glizitch | i dont think i know how |
| 00:45.12 | milhouse | follow the instructions |
| 00:45.24 | milhouse | 1. Start Application Manager and choose "Tools ? Application catalogue" from the menu |
| 00:45.29 | timeless | hello world |
| 00:45.31 | glizitch | i did that |
| 00:45.32 | milhouse | 2. Click "New". Fill out the dialog that pops up as follows: |
| 00:45.40 | milhouse | etc. |
| 00:45.42 | timeless | how do i find out if planet is aggregating my feed? |
| 00:45.44 | glizitch | there is no new to click |
| 00:46.05 | glizitch | i mean |
| 00:46.06 | sparr | maemo defaults to runlevel 2, yes? |
| 00:46.21 | glizitch | all i can do is install "New" apps from the list |
| 00:46.33 | glizitch | no dialog box\ |
| 00:46.39 | milhouse | glizith - you don't have a button marked "New" when you click on Tools -> Application Catalogue? |
| 00:46.44 | glizitch | thats my problem |
| 00:46.58 | milhouse | i think you are confusing "applications" with "repositories" |
| 00:47.26 | glizitch | i am in the application manager |
| 00:47.29 | glizitch | right ? |
| 00:47.42 | glizitch | i dont have an application catologue |
| 00:47.46 | milhouse | Yes. OK, hhat happens when you click Tools -> Application catalgue... ? |
| 00:48.02 | glizitch | application manager ok ? |
| 00:48.27 | milhouse | "Tools" being in the menu that appears when you press the application menu button or click in the application title area |
| 00:49.54 | milhouse | Anyone else with OS 2006 able to confirm the behaviour of Application Manager, Tools -> Application catalouge...? I'm doing this from memory |
| 00:50.04 | glizitch | Application Manager |
| 00:50.05 | _Monkey | well, Application Manager is a lot safer than alternatives |
| 00:50.21 | glizitch | Application Manager is above control panel |
| 00:50.26 | glizitch | under tools |
| 00:50.35 | milhouse | Yes |
| 00:50.43 | sparr | has anyone tried parallel init to make maemo boot faster? |
| 00:50.46 | glizitch | im there |
| 00:50.53 | milhouse | Once you have started Application Manager, we need to access *ANOTHER* menu called Tools |
| 00:51.03 | milhouse | Open the application menu for Application Manager |
| 00:51.15 | milhouse | do this in one of two ways - press the Menu button, or click in the application title area |
| 00:51.38 | milhouse | See a menu appear at the top of the screen with options Application, View, Tools, Close |
| 00:51.45 | disq | argh |
| 00:51.58 | milhouse | has he gone? |
| 00:52.09 | glizitch | ok |
| 00:52.19 | milhouse | cool, see the Tools option in the menu? |
| 00:52.20 | glizitch | i have 3 optionbs |
| 00:52.25 | glizitch | no |
| 00:52.34 | milhouse | what's in your menu? |
| 00:52.43 | glizitch | i can install new applications |
| 00:52.49 | glizitch | check for updates |
| 00:53.00 | glizitch | or show installed apps\ |
| 00:53.08 | milhouse | um.... press the freaking MENU button!!!! |
| 00:53.09 | milhouse | :) |
| 00:53.15 | milhouse | they're buttons |
| 00:53.52 | glizitch | holy shit |
| 00:53.55 | glizitch | im lame |
| 00:53.56 | glizitch | sorry |
| 00:54.03 | glizitch | i got it now |
| 00:54.06 | milhouse | np - but i want to strangle you ;) |
| 00:54.36 | glizitch | so now just type in the web address |
| 00:54.46 | glizitch | http://idefix.go-nix.ca/nix/pidgin-dist |
| 00:54.46 | milhouse | yes |
| 00:54.49 | glizitch | like that |
| 00:54.52 | milhouse | yep |
| 00:55.00 | glizitch | brilliant |
| 00:55.02 | glizitch | :) |
| 00:55.13 | milhouse | use mistral for Distribution in steps 3 and 5 |
| 00:55.21 | glizitch | sorry i just got this thing |
| 00:55.25 | glizitch | the other day |
| 00:55.27 | milhouse | you probably don't need to complete step 4 unless you want bonjour support |
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| 00:55.32 | glizitch | nah |
| 00:55.39 | glizitch | no bonjour |
| 00:55.45 | milhouse | glizitch: no problem, we all have to learn sometime :) |
| 00:55.55 | glizitch | thanx for the help |
| 00:56.05 | glizitch | ill let ya know how it goes |
| 00:56.10 | milhouse | did you say you had tried to install pidgin previously? |
| 00:56.11 | glizitch | if ya wanna stick around |
| 00:56.19 | milhouse | i'll be around for another half hour or so |
| 00:56.23 | glizitch | yes i installed the 4.7 M file |
| 00:56.45 | glizitch | ill uninstall it |
| 00:56.56 | milhouse | ok, you might want to uninstall it if you can find it listed in "Show Installed applications" |
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| 01:01.03 | glizitch | like |
| 01:01.06 | *** join/#maemo gomiam (n=Administ@84.79.25.26) |
| 01:01.25 | glizitch | #3 http://maemo-hackers.org/apt is that all i need ? |
| 01:01.44 | milhouse | enter that url in the Web Address |
| 01:01.50 | milhouse | mistral in Distribution |
| 01:01.53 | milhouse | and |
| 01:01.56 | milhouse | main in Components |
| 01:02.15 | glizitch | wait dont i need to add that in that catalog |
| 01:02.43 | milhouse | yes, fill in the fields |
| 01:03.09 | gomiam | would some kind soul try to access http://magao-test.buzznet.com (password is "intento", without quotes of course) |
| 01:03.18 | milhouse | Web Address = http://maemo-hackers.org/apt |
| 01:03.18 | milhouse | Distribution = mistral |
| 01:03.18 | milhouse | Comnponents = main |
| 01:03.37 | milhouse | btw you'll often see it expressed as http://maemo-hackers.org/apt mistral main - you should be able to work out what goes where |
| 01:04.07 | milhouse | gomiam - having a go now |
| 01:04.15 | gomiam | thanks milhouse |
| 01:04.36 | milhouse | won't accept the password, redirected me back to the password prompt |
| 01:04.54 | gomiam | ok, so it's not just me |
| 01:05.07 | gomiam | I was running out of hair to pull as it is |
| 01:05.07 | gomiam | :-D |
| 01:05.08 | milhouse | doesn't like me - won't let me in (firefox 2.0.0.5) |
| 01:05.23 | gomiam | it doesn't seem to be a Firefox only problem |
| 01:05.35 | gomiam | I've had problems with IE6 and Opera too |
| 01:05.38 | milhouse | sorry i've been distracted by Miss E now... |
| 01:05.43 | gomiam | no prob |
| 01:05.50 | gomiam | thanks for trying |
| 01:05.51 | milhouse | :) |
| 01:06.29 | milhouse | glizitch - how's it going? |
| 01:08.45 | glizitch | woohoo |
| 01:08.55 | milhouse | this sounds promising |
| 01:09.06 | glizitch | its installing |
| 01:09.11 | glizitch | fo real this time |
| 01:09.15 | *** join/#maemo saaib (n=saaib@alpa.com.ar) |
| 01:09.22 | milhouse | so all 3 repositories added ok? |
| 01:09.27 | glizitch | i think so |
| 01:09.29 | milhouse | smashing |
| 01:09.31 | milhouse | :) |
| 01:09.34 | glizitch | as far as i can tell |
| 01:09.47 | glizitch | this page make much more sense now |
| 01:09.53 | glizitch | silly me |
| 01:10.07 | glizitch | i was trying to "upgrade" to mistral |
| 01:10.09 | glizitch | earlier |
| 01:10.17 | glizitch | now i see why that is funny |
| 01:11.57 | milhouse | once you've installed the main application you need to install your protocols depending on which instant messenger service you want to use |
| 01:12.14 | milhouse | also install the smilies and sounds :) |
| 01:12.37 | sparr | has anyone used initng on maemo? |
| 01:12.49 | milhouse | smilies == pidgin-emotes-default, sounds == pidgin-sounds |
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| 01:13.24 | glizitch | i want to use aim |
| 01:13.37 | glizitch | but i i am having an error |
| 01:13.52 | glizitch | resolving login.oscar.aol.com |
| 01:14.09 | glizitch | nm |
| 01:14.14 | glizitch | im not connected |
| 01:14.20 | glizitch | my bad |
| 01:14.39 | milhouse | hehe |
| 01:14.46 | sparr | deleting the locale file... |
| 01:14.48 | sparr | not a great idea |
| 01:14.49 | sparr | very humorous |
| 01:14.51 | sparr | but not great |
| 01:17.37 | timeless | can someone please explain what sort of atom feed uris people use? |
| 01:18.33 | milhouse | sometimes i feel i'm the only person in the world without a personal blog... |
| 01:18.57 | saaib | milhouse, don't worry, I don't blog either |
| 01:19.02 | saaib | :D |
| 01:19.16 | milhouse | at least i'm not alone :) |
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| 01:20.00 | erstazi | ugh I hate air conditioning |
| 01:20.05 | milhouse | anyone with an n800 able to spare me 5 minutes before i blow away a reproducible bug scenario? |
| 01:20.06 | erstazi | hi saerdnaer |
| 01:20.16 | milhouse | seeing as nobody at nokia seems to give a stuff |
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| 01:20.23 | erstazi | milhouse, I should just buy a n800 to help you haha |
| 01:20.31 | saerdnaer | hi |
| 01:20.31 | milhouse | i'd pay you! ;) |
| 01:20.40 | erstazi | milhouse, on it! |
| 01:20.51 | milhouse | ha :) |
| 01:21.55 | milhouse | where's pupnik when i need him? :( |
| 01:23.02 | glizitch | awesome |
| 01:23.06 | glizitch | its workin |
| 01:23.15 | milhouse | excellent :) |
| 01:23.16 | glizitch | im on aim |
| 01:23.29 | glizitch | im trying to get in here on irc next |
| 01:23.30 | glizitch | hehe |
| 01:24.07 | milhouse | you'll be glad to hear that's one of the more complicated setups... most applications don't need any additional repositories or can be installed using the one-click install method (which automatically adds the repository to your application catalogue) |
| 01:24.37 | glizitch | is there some stuff i can read |
| 01:24.45 | glizitch | about repositories |
| 01:24.47 | glizitch | and stuf |
| 01:24.48 | glizitch | f |
| 01:24.53 | glizitch | this is all new to me |
| 01:25.12 | milhouse | i don't have any specific links but you could try the wiki on maemo.org |
| 01:25.26 | milhouse | http://maemo.org/community/wiki |
| 01:26.07 | glizitch | cool |
| 01:26.20 | milhouse | not sure if anyone else has any more relevant links |
| 01:26.56 | saaib | Anyone willing to spend a couple of minutes helping me to verify a scratchbox setup? I already ask in #scratchbox but everyone is idle |
| 01:27.23 | milhouse | don't have scratchbox sorry :( |
| 01:28.29 | glizitch | only one more problem |
| 01:28.32 | erstazi | saaib, I can help |
| 01:28.35 | glizitch | i cant seem to enter text |
| 01:28.37 | erstazi | glizitch, I can also help you |
| 01:28.46 | erstazi | glizitch, enter text in what? |
| 01:28.47 | glizitch | in pidgin |
| 01:28.57 | milhouse | glizitch: hmmm |
| 01:28.59 | erstazi | oh, hmm I don't use pidgin, I just use gaim |
| 01:29.19 | erstazi | glizitch, did you install the protocols that you wanted? |
| 01:29.23 | glizitch | yes |
| 01:29.29 | glizitch | its running |
| 01:29.34 | erstazi | I am not sure then |
| 01:29.34 | glizitch | and connected |
| 01:29.35 | milhouse | and you've logged into AIM? |
| 01:29.37 | glizitch | yes |
| 01:30.08 | erstazi | saaib, what is your question? |
| 01:33.05 | gomiam | glizitch: are you able to type on other protocols? |
| 01:33.35 | glizitch | nope |
| 01:33.39 | gomiam | mmm... |
| 01:33.41 | erstazi | hmm |
| 01:33.53 | glizitch | i cant seem to connect to chat.freenode.net |
| 01:33.54 | milhouse | glizith - i just installed aim... do you have an example chat room i can test with? |
| 01:33.54 | gomiam | that's strange. I've tested pidgin on the N800 and it worked |
| 01:33.58 | erstazi | glizitch, what OS do you have? |
| 01:34.05 | erstazi | glizitch, its irc.freenode.net |
| 01:34.09 | milhouse | glizith - use chat.eu.freenode.net |
| 01:34.13 | sparr | i am annoyed that 4MB of my base image is eaten by locales i will never use |
| 01:34.17 | milhouse | or wot erstazi said :) |
| 01:34.32 | glizitch | milhouse: i am on aim now |
| 01:34.39 | glizitch | i am rtmcarthur |
| 01:34.43 | sparr | is anyone here equipped to generate new locale files? id love to have one with just en_US in it |
| 01:34.47 | milhouse | let me try chatting you |
| 01:34.48 | glizitch | i am in the US |
| 01:34.53 | glizitch | go ahead |
| 01:35.34 | glizitch | milhouse: are u sending an IM ? |
| 01:36.22 | milhouse | yes, just chatted you |
| 01:36.36 | glizitch | i see it |
| 01:36.38 | milhouse | my username is UBSSuck (erm... a little investment bank i once worked for...) |
| 01:36.40 | glizitch | but i cant respond |
| 01:36.50 | milhouse | you are typing text in the bottom window? |
| 01:37.04 | glizitch | the text box doesnt appear |
| 01:37.10 | glizitch | like it usually does |
| 01:37.27 | milhouse | do you see Font / Reset font / Insert ? |
| 01:38.00 | milhouse | i take it from that AIM chat I just received you found it :) |
| 01:38.07 | gomiam | glizitch: drop the virtual keyboard down |
| 01:38.13 | gomiam | resize the type box |
| 01:38.17 | gomiam | and click in it again |
| 01:38.22 | glizitch | it was squished |
| 01:38.26 | glizitch | i could see it |
| 01:38.29 | gomiam | it's too big at the beginning |
| 01:38.38 | gomiam | so weird things like that happen |
| 01:39.01 | gomiam | you may want to set full-screen too |
| 01:39.50 | *** join/#maemo gomiam2 (n=user@84.79.25.26) |
| 01:40.55 | glizitch | i addes u to my buddy list |
| 01:41.02 | glizitch | thanx for all the help |
| 01:41.04 | gomiam2 | As you can see from this test, it is possible to use Pidgin on #maemo through the N800 :) |
| 01:41.33 | gomiam | now I only need to make the default font size smaller :-D |
| 01:42.53 | *** part/#maemo gomiam2 (n=user@84.79.25.26) |
| 01:42.56 | glizitch | im trying the 770 right now |
| 01:42.57 | milhouse | gomiam: that's pretty straightforward, but be aware the font change only affects new conversations (so existing chat/conversation windows will still show the old font) |
| 01:43.04 | sparr | built-in locale data is taking up 6MB of my base image. locale data for installed software is eating another 11MB |
| 01:43.07 | sparr | this is unacceptable |
| 01:43.23 | sparr | i dont want or need chinese translations of the text on my clock |
| 01:45.10 | milhouse | my SonyEricsson phone prompts me for the language i want to use when you install new firmware, then it spends the next few minutes deleting all the locals from memory i don't need. i thought that was quite cool, and something nokia could do for the tablets (perhaps with the option to retain all language locals) |
| 01:45.23 | sparr | milhouse: i concur |
| 01:45.44 | milhouse | obviously i need all the timezones, but other languages can be got shot of |
| 01:46.02 | milhouse | i only speak english, and even that only barely. |
| 01:46.12 | gomiam | glizitch: if you are still there |
| 01:46.26 | sparr | freeciv installs over 4MB of locale data |
| 01:46.28 | sparr | translations and such |
| 01:46.33 | milhouse | maybe file a bug/enhancement |
| 01:46.35 | gomiam | you may want to change the conversation boxes' text font to BitStream Vera 9 |
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| 01:46.44 | milhouse | where are the translation/language files stored on a stock n800/770? |
| 01:47.01 | glizitch | this irc client sucks |
| 01:47.04 | gomiam | and use the Gtk extensions plugin to do the same for the message text box (where you tipe your texts) |
| 01:47.16 | glizitch | it says it doesn't know the /server cmd |
| 01:47.25 | glizitch | unknown command |
| 01:47.53 | *** join/#maemo milhouse (n=irc_milh@dsl-217-155-26-150.zen.co.uk) |
| 01:47.58 | MobileSim | Maybe a locale blaster app could be developed. |
| 01:48.04 | milhouse | ok so now i know what the /server command does... |
| 01:48.15 | *** join/#maemo Backburn (i=Backburn@rrcs-64-183-136-45.west.biz.rr.com) |
| 01:48.17 | glizitch | hehe |
| 01:48.19 | *** join/#maemo pigeon (n=pigeon@218-214-60-232.people.net.au) |
| 01:48.23 | glizitch | yeah |
| 01:48.25 | MobileSim | I've seen such things on a Mac, anyway. |
| 01:48.33 | milhouse | if someone can point me in the direction of the language/translation files i'll see about filing an RFE in maemo bugzilla |
| 01:48.33 | sparr | milhouse: the base base stuff is /usr/lib/locale/ |
| 01:48.33 | glizitch | but pidgin doesnt |
| 01:48.34 | _Monkey | Hmm. No matches for that, sparr. |
| 01:48.46 | sparr | milhouse: package-owned stuff is /usr/share/locale (including some base packages) |
| 01:48.47 | milhouse | sparr: thanks |
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| 01:49.03 | *** join/#maemo gomiam2 (n=user@84.79.25.26) |
| 01:49.27 | milhouse | 4.1M for /usr/lib/locale on a N800 |
| 01:50.06 | sparr | yeah |
| 01:50.10 | gomiam2 | Ok, now everything seems to be a bit better. I only need to make smaller pictures:) |
| 01:50.11 | sparr | about the same for 770 |
| 01:50.11 | milhouse | 9.2M for /user/share/local on my N800 (about 6-7 apps installed) |
| 01:50.17 | MobileSim | Is there any known attempt (running or finished) to Tangofy Maemo? |
| 01:50.29 | sparr | the one in /usr/lib/locale is from posix-locales, and my ubuntu desktop locale apps cant read it |
| 01:50.35 | sparr | MobileSim: boooooooo tango |
| 01:50.52 | pupnik | < erstazi> guardian, I am not sure if they have nxserver for ARM arch and debian << i have talked to a guy who was porting this to a commercial ARM project |
| 01:50.59 | sparr | the stuff in /usr/share/locale is package-specific, you can search around. not sure how big it is with a fresh install, probably 2-3MB |
| 01:51.01 | milhouse | bear in mind though |
| 01:51.08 | milhouse | that your internal flash is compressed |
| 01:51.09 | sparr | MobileSim: that said... no. feel free to make your own. |
| 01:51.19 | erstazi | pupnik, ?? |
| 01:51.19 | _Monkey | well, pupnik, is there a nice tutorial for packaing for the N800 |
| 01:51.22 | milhouse | so 9.2M isn't necessarily how much space these locales take up |
| 01:51.26 | erstazi | pupnik, I typed that |
| 01:51.28 | milhouse | in terms of jffs2 space |
| 01:51.29 | sparr | milhouse: ive got plenty of other easily compressed data that could take up that [little] space |
| 01:51.30 | gomiam2 | Oh, glizitch, if you don't care much for smilies and text fonting, remove the format bar too :D |
| 01:51.31 | erstazi | but who asked? |
| 01:52.01 | sparr | MobileSim: tango doesnt scale down well enough, imho. very pretty for high resolution vector desktops. not so hot when i need 8x8 icons. |
| 01:52.02 | glizitch | gomiam: i just want to use irc |
| 01:52.12 | glizitch | how come it doesnt know any commands |
| 01:52.13 | milhouse | sparr - how much _real_ flash memory space are these language files consuming, considering text generally compresses quite well |
| 01:52.21 | glizitch | like /join #maemo |
| 01:52.23 | sparr | MobileSim: the default maemo-launcher control panel and such could maybe use tango icons, but not the WM and ui stuff |
| 01:52.36 | sparr | milhouse: the first one, 4MB, is compressed, so thats really 4MB |
| 01:52.39 | erstazi | glizitch, why don't you install xchat? |
| 01:52.58 | sparr | milhouse: the text in /usr/share/locale probably compresses at least 10:1, so that 9MB is 1MB or less :) |
| 01:53.05 | erstazi | glizitch, in individual channels or pm's with only pidgin, you can't input commands |
| 01:53.11 | gomiam2 | I'm typing this from my N800 (thus my nick is gomiam2 |
| 01:53.14 | erstazi | there might be a setting to allow it |
| 01:53.27 | glizitch | but i cant connect |
| 01:53.42 | gomiam | glizitch: are you unable to connect to freenode? |
| 01:53.55 | gomiam | let me check my account settings and I'll relay them to you |
| 01:53.58 | glizitch | i guess i just cant join the channel |
| 01:54.05 | milhouse | i just tar'd /usr/lib/locale to /media/mmc2 and the uncompressed tar consumed 4.1Mb... compressing it now |
| 01:54.22 | gomiam | you can by typing /join #maemo on the freenode-connect CTCP window, for example |
| 01:54.34 | milhouse | sparr: slow going... |
| 01:54.34 | gomiam | you can add it as a chat on the main Pidgin window too |
| 01:55.25 | gomiam | ok, here's my freenode connection data for Pidgin |
| 01:55.41 | saaib | erstazi, I downloaded and installer scratchbox, compiled the hello.c and hello.cc examples, but the hello-world-gtk example won't compile due to unable to find glib and gtk. This libs should come with scratchbox or I need to manually add them? |
| 01:55.56 | gomiam | Protocol: IRC (of course), Server: irc.freenode.net, Screen name: gomiam2 |
| 01:56.14 | sparr | milhouse: localepurge is a debian package... it has no binary, just scripts. it deletes unwanted locales after every dpkg operation. very Not-Debian-Way, but it could work... |
| 01:56.35 | gomiam | (I'm typing this from my computer so I can do it faster) |
| 01:56.39 | milhouse | could work, but the benefit might be relatively small ? |
| 01:56.45 | milhouse | (still compressing the tar btw) |
| 01:57.03 | erstazi | saaib, did you make sure you grabbed all the devkits required? |
| 01:57.23 | erstazi | saaib, I am learning scratchbox myself |
| 01:57.27 | milhouse | before/after |
| 01:57.31 | erstazi | but thats the first thing I thought of |
| 01:57.33 | sparr | i dont think /usr/lib/locale/ is going to compress much. its only one file (and a bunch of empty folders), and i thought it was already compressed |
| 01:57.40 | milhouse | -rw-r--r-- 1 user root 4278784 Aug 9 02:51 local.tar |
| 01:57.40 | milhouse | -rw-r--r-- 1 user root 852158 Aug 9 02:55 local.tar.gz |
| 01:57.43 | sparr | its /usr/share/locale/* that will compress a lot |
| 01:57.48 | gomiam | ok, it's late enough. I'm going to get some sleep |
| 01:57.50 | gomiam | have fun |
| 01:58.10 | sparr | ok, my bad on the precompressed notion... still, almost a meg, and thats assuming the filesystem compression is as good as hard-core gz, which it isnt |
| 01:58.28 | glizitch | milhouse: u see that ? |
| 01:58.29 | saaib | erstazi, core, libs, devkit-cputrans, devkit-doctools, devkit-perl, toolchain-cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm and toolchain-cs2005q3.2-glibc-i386 |
| 01:58.44 | milhouse | sparr - indeed, it's probably a little less efficient but should still achieve a decent level of compression |
| 01:58.46 | erstazi | devkit-debian |
| 01:59.04 | saaib | erstazi, do I need devkit-debian? (even if I'm not running debian?) |
| 01:59.10 | milhouse | glizitch - what did i miss? |
| 01:59.13 | erstazi | saaib, you are running debian |
| 01:59.21 | glizitch | did u get a msg |
| 01:59.25 | erstazi | saaib, both 770's and n800's run a debian-based distro |
| 01:59.27 | glizitch | from artemisprime ? |
| 01:59.29 | shackan | saaib: yes, all of them (scratchbox is a debian system) |
| 01:59.33 | saaib | erstazi, well technically, I guess :) |
| 01:59.33 | milhouse | in pidgin? no i logged out |
| 01:59.37 | erstazi | for the ARM architecture |
| 01:59.47 | glizitch | no on irc? |
| 01:59.49 | saaib | I didn't downloaded the devkit-debian, let me install it |
| 01:59.51 | erstazi | saaib, I had those problems myself but I worked them out |
| 01:59.59 | milhouse | nothing received on irc |
| 02:00.07 | glizitch | im connected |
| 02:00.11 | erstazi | saaib, make sure you select that devkit when you login to scratchbox |
| 02:00.15 | saaib | erstazi, besides that the tutorial only has a reference for the core, libs and toolchains tgz files |
| 02:00.15 | glizitch | but i cant join #maemo |
| 02:00.15 | gomiam | glizitch: to irc.freenode.net? |
| 02:00.20 | glizitch | yes |
| 02:00.27 | glizitch | do a |
| 02:00.29 | gomiam | did a freenode-connect window open? |
| 02:00.43 | glizitch | yes indeed do a /whois artemisprime |
| 02:00.47 | glizitch | im connected |
| 02:00.53 | gomiam | type /whois artemisprime |
| 02:00.54 | glizitch | how do i join a channel |
| 02:00.55 | sparr | milhouse: so, still, its a meg wasted from our 64(?) meg base. well, 128 for you with n800 |
| 02:00.55 | gomiam | XD |
| 02:01.00 | gomiam | /join #maemo |
| 02:01.03 | gomiam | type that |
| 02:01.17 | glizitch | it will say unknown command |
| 02:01.21 | gomiam | nope |
| 02:01.24 | gomiam | I just tried it |
| 02:01.30 | glizitch | on pidgin |
| 02:01.44 | milhouse | oh, to join #maemo is a bit of a pain... in the Buddy List window open the Buddies menu then select Join a Chat and enter #maemo as the Channel with your IRC account listed... leave password blank. Click Join. |
| 02:01.46 | gomiam | I've been connected for several minutes, from Pidgin on my N800 |
| 02:02.01 | gomiam | milhouse: or you can add a Chat and get done with it |
| 02:02.19 | gomiam | but /join #maemo works, as the text I wrote as gomiam2 proves |
| 02:02.48 | milhouse | i couldn't get /join to work either |
| 02:02.53 | sparr | grr |
| 02:02.55 | glizitch | thank you |
| 02:02.55 | saaib | erstazi, so I downloaded and untar'ed the devkit-debian, once i log into scratchbox there is no target, running sb-menu shows no target, should I create a new one? |
| 02:02.57 | gomiam | well, then I'm lucky |
| 02:03.02 | glizitch | milhouse |
| 02:03.05 | gomiam | one little detail |
| 02:03.05 | sparr | localepurge requires some packages we dont have for maemo |
| 02:03.10 | gomiam | type /join no /Join |
| 02:03.16 | milhouse | sparr: i agree it's taking up space you might need, have you run out of your 64MB? I never managed this in 12 months of owning a 770 |
| 02:03.17 | *** join/#maemo philipl (i=1000@c-76-21-109-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 02:03.20 | gomiam | unfortunately pidgin seems to be picky about that |
| 02:03.27 | erstazi | saaib, what OS are you on? |
| 02:03.41 | saaib | Linux FC 6 |
| 02:03.57 | gomiam | /Join isn't understood by pidgin |
| 02:04.01 | erstazi | saaib, ah, ok I like RHEL based (: |
| 02:04.03 | gomiam | while /join i |
| 02:04.06 | gomiam | s |
| 02:04.12 | *** join/#maemo mvhtest (n=user@dsl-217-155-26-150.zen.co.uk) |
| 02:04.17 | sparr | milhouse: im going to run out really fast if i keep going... im down to 20MB free and ive put off installing a lot of things |
| 02:04.26 | erstazi | saaib, did you look in the extracted directory? does it have a configure? |
| 02:04.34 | gomiam | glizitch: I sent a private message to artemisprime. Did it get there? |
| 02:04.35 | milhouse | gomiam is right... "/join #maemo" does work :) |
| 02:04.46 | milhouse | enter it into the freenode-connect channel... |
| 02:04.52 | saaib | erstazi, yes |
| 02:04.56 | saaib | erstazi, checking for gtk+-2.0 >= 2.2 glib-2.0 >= 2.2... Package gtk+-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path. Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gtk+-2.0.pc' |
| 02:04.57 | *** join/#maemo Artemisprime (n=user@CPE-65-30-176-32.wi.res.rr.com) |
| 02:05.01 | gomiam | XD |
| 02:05.10 | erstazi | hmm |
| 02:05.25 | gomiam | milhouse: yeah, it's a nag that Pidgin is so picky about letter size |
| 02:05.25 | Artemisprime | Holy hit |
| 02:05.31 | saaib | this is while running the autogen.sh script |
| 02:05.33 | gomiam | congratulations Artemisprime |
| 02:05.34 | erstazi | saaib, I didn't have this problem, I had other problems that I had to get pass, I think you need to grab the rootstrap |
| 02:05.38 | Artemisprime | It worked |
| 02:05.47 | glizitch | it was |
| 02:05.51 | gomiam | you should be able to talk privately to people with /query username |
| 02:05.56 | glizitch | the case sensitive |
| 02:06.02 | glizitch | what a pain |
| 02:06.09 | gomiam | glizitch: so true |
| 02:06.13 | milhouse | sparr... i guess that's probably a situation you may have to resolve by yourself... the chances of nokia implementing the language deletion trick is probably unlikely |
| 02:06.27 | sparr | milhouse: well, im working on getting localepurge to work |
| 02:06.34 | glizitch | gomiam: it rather annoying cuz it automatically caps the first letter of a word |
| 02:06.36 | erstazi | saaib, hmm |
| 02:06.43 | glizitch | even after the forward slash |
| 02:06.45 | erstazi | saaib, try installing them |
| 02:06.46 | gomiam | then again, glizitch, if it's a channel you are going to visit frequently you are much better off adding a chat in your buddy list |
| 02:06.52 | sparr | milhouse: lol... one of localepurge's dependencies is 10MB :) |
| 02:06.52 | milhouse | while it would be a good idea to delete them, the chances of people running out of space in normal circumstances are quite low (otherwise people would be complaining and they're not) |
| 02:06.54 | gomiam | glizitch: I know, I know. |
| 02:06.56 | erstazi | saaib, did you install Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.2_armel-rootstrap.tgz? |
| 02:07.02 | milhouse | sparr: haha... duh |
| 02:07.10 | erstazi | saaib, wait, you have a 770 right? |
| 02:07.36 | sparr | milhouse: but... localepurge MIGHT delete most of that 10MB :) |
| 02:07.39 | milhouse | and with the n800 increasing the amount of free space the problem is even less likely to be an issue going forward |
| 02:07.39 | gomiam | glizitch: if you wish, we can check Skype or Gizmo too :-D |
| 02:07.41 | saaib | erstazi, not yet, it'll arrive on friday |
| 02:07.58 | milhouse | sparr: one would hope it will clean up after itself! |
| 02:07.59 | glizitch | i dont use them |
| 02:08.21 | sparr | milhouse: localepurge depends on locales to get the list of locales... but locales provides plenty of locale data of its own. fun fun |
| 02:08.31 | saaib | erstazi, I haven't installed any rootstrap yet, just verifying the scratchbox setup |
| 02:08.36 | gomiam | anyway. Time to go to sleep once and for all |
| 02:08.37 | erstazi | saaib, ah |
| 02:08.39 | gomiam | good night |
| 02:08.56 | milhouse | won't a small shell script do the trick? |
| 02:09.00 | erstazi | saaib, if you are trying to build and port for the arm arch, you need that root strap because its for the770 for say |
| 02:09.03 | milhouse | cya gomiam |
| 02:09.04 | saaib | erstazi, but, since the gtk example is there I would imagine the scratchbox content should be able to compile it |
| 02:09.14 | erstazi | yeah |
| 02:09.16 | erstazi | I am not sure about that part |
| 02:09.20 | *** part/#maemo mvhtest (n=user@dsl-217-155-26-150.zen.co.uk) |
| 02:09.27 | erstazi | I usually just follow the instructions it throws back at me |
| 02:09.31 | glizitch | milhouse u see that ? |
| 02:09.42 | milhouse | no |
| 02:09.54 | milhouse | are you trying to private chat me |
| 02:09.54 | glizitch | damn |
| 02:09.54 | milhouse | ? |
| 02:09.57 | glizitch | yes |
| 02:10.01 | saaib | erstazi, that will be to install glib and gtk, which i guess then are included in the rootstrap? |
| 02:10.05 | glizitch | i just said thanx |
| 02:10.09 | glizitch | thats all |
| 02:10.12 | milhouse | i think it's a freenode setting to prevent spam |
| 02:10.19 | glizitch | i was wondering if u could see it |
| 02:10.22 | glizitch | oh |
| 02:10.30 | erstazi | saaib, well when I got that, I was able to do what I needed |
| 02:10.32 | erstazi | it worked for me |
| 02:10.45 | *** join/#maemo mvhtes1 (n=mvhtest@dsl-217-155-26-150.zen.co.uk) |
| 02:10.50 | erstazi | saaib, normally you can just do: apt-get install applicationname |
| 02:11.02 | *** part/#maemo mvhtes1 (n=mvhtest@dsl-217-155-26-150.zen.co.uk) |
| 02:11.12 | *** part/#maemo Artemisprime (n=user@CPE-65-30-176-32.wi.res.rr.com) |
| 02:11.24 | *** join/#maemo Tu13es_ (n=Tu13es@d-216-246-135-70.metrocast.net) |
| 02:11.43 | milhouse | hmmm maybe not, i've just tested with another irc nickname (not authenticated) and i could chat milhouse with that other nick |
| 02:11.51 | milhouse | so i'm private chattable :) |
| 02:12.05 | milhouse | let private chat you |
| 02:12.15 | saaib | erstazi, can you tell me what devkits do you have in your current Target setup? |
| 02:12.23 | glizitch | i tried from the PC client too |
| 02:12.24 | erstazi | saaib, let me check |
| 02:12.25 | glizitch | no dice |
| 02:12.41 | milhouse | just chatted glizitch |
| 02:12.46 | milhouse | anything? |
| 02:13.07 | erstazi | saaib, make sure your compiler is cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm |
| 02:13.15 | saaib | erstazi, i got that |
| 02:14.15 | *** join/#maemo pdz (n=paul@135.14.169.217.in-addr.arpa) |
| 02:14.37 | glizitch | yes i chatted back ? |
| 02:14.44 | glizitch | i mean i did |
| 02:14.46 | glizitch | did u see it ? |
| 02:14.50 | milhouse | odd, not getting your replies |
| 02:14.54 | milhouse | so you saw my two chats? |
| 02:14.55 | glizitch | weird |
| 02:15.00 | glizitch | yes indeed |
| 02:15.02 | glizitch | on my pc |
| 02:15.09 | milhouse | most odd... |
| 02:15.09 | erstazi | saaib, cputransp, debian-etch, debian-lenny, debian-sarge, doctools, maemo3-debian, maemo3-tools, perl |
| 02:15.13 | glizitch | artemisprime is logged off |
| 02:15.14 | erstazi | sorry phone call |
| 02:15.16 | glizitch | oh well |
| 02:15.20 | glizitch | dont worry about it |
| 02:15.20 | milhouse | try chatting _monkey |
| 02:15.24 | glizitch | all it working |
| 02:15.34 | glizitch | is working i mena |
| 02:15.35 | glizitch | mean |
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| 02:16.18 | sparr | milhouse: never used dpkg --force so many times in one day :) |
| 02:16.18 | saaib | erstazi, I have all those except the debian-etch and debian-lenny |
| 02:16.39 | milhouse | sparr... eugh, that doesn't sound good! :) |
| 02:16.53 | saaib | erstazi, in top of that Target setup you extracted the Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.2_armel-rootstrap.tgz? |
| 02:17.37 | erstazi | saaib, in your scratchbox find packages and put that tar there |
| 02:17.39 | erstazi | and then |
| 02:17.40 | sparr | I --force'd a package to install despite broken dependencies. How can I tell apt to ignore those broken dependencies as I do other things? |
| 02:17.51 | erstazi | when you go to select a rootstrap you can select that as the rootstrap |
| 02:19.00 | saaib | erstazi, ok, unpacking rootstrap now |
| 02:19.10 | milhouse | am not really an expect on apt or dpkg and fortunately haven't gotten in that kind of situation recently |
| 02:19.17 | milhouse | s/expect/expert/ |
| 02:22.58 | sparr | damnit |
| 02:23.16 | sparr | i wish the busybox package "provides" instead of "conflicts" with coreutils and debianutils |
| 02:23.23 | sparr | would make it easier to install non-maemo packages |
| 02:24.27 | saaib | erstazi, woho! no more glib/gtk errors :) |
| 02:24.51 | erstazi | saaib, yeah the rootstrap helped me haha |
| 02:25.06 | erstazi | saaib, are you familiar with the debian way of things? (: |
| 02:25.19 | saaib | erstazi, yes |
| 02:25.25 | erstazi | saaib, when I first started to mess with debian, I was confused... sudo what? each command? what? |
| 02:25.43 | erstazi | I still catch myself just typing su |
| 02:25.56 | erstazi | but I only go as root when I need to be |
| 02:26.09 | saaib | erstazi, hehe, you might end up changind the uid of the user ! :P LOL |
| 02:26.32 | erstazi | saaib, yeah |
| 02:26.45 | erstazi | saaib, thats not an issue though |
| 02:27.14 | saaib | erstazi, that's a standar system config if you want to use sudoers file |
| 02:27.34 | erstazi | but there are some crazy combinations people use to become root: sudo -s, sudo -i, sudo su, etc |
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| 02:31.45 | saaib | erstazi, the tutorial includes that Xephyr is part of the rootstrap, but I can't find it anywere, did you do anything else? |
| 02:32.25 | sparr | ok, ive now got two packages installed that dpkg doesnt know about |
| 02:32.27 | sparr | i can live with that |
| 02:32.34 | sparr | the ends justify the means :) |
| 02:33.17 | erstazi | saaib, I heard a lot about Xephyr and I could not find it |
| 02:33.29 | erstazi | pupnik, did you know where Xephyr is? |
| 02:36.14 | milhouse | _monkey, xephyr? |
| 02:36.15 | _Monkey | xephyr is basically the X server |
| 02:37.21 | saaib | ah! found it |
| 02:37.26 | saaib | # tar -ztvf Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.2_i386-rootstrap.tgz | grep Xephyr |
| 02:37.26 | saaib | -rwxr-xr-x root/root 775356 2006-09-25 03:06:52 ./usr/bin/Xephyr |
| 02:38.03 | *** join/#maemo ab (n=ab@ppp83-237-25-114.pppoe.mtu-net.ru) |
| 02:38.25 | pupnik | nxclient would be great on the 770 |
| 02:38.37 | erstazi | pupnik, ah yes |
| 02:38.44 | milhouse | aha... pupnik! |
| 02:38.53 | pupnik | ? |
| 02:38.59 | milhouse | can you do me a favour? |
| 02:39.01 | erstazi | pupnik, I have used vncviewer and its not bad |
| 02:39.10 | erstazi | also I have vnc'ed to the 770 |
| 02:39.11 | pupnik | yeah vncviewer is good i agree |
| 02:39.17 | erstazi | the input for using your pc is flaky |
| 02:39.19 | milhouse | i want to confirm a bug on an n800/4.2007 |
| 02:39.21 | pupnik | milhouse: probably |
| 02:39.22 | saaib | I use vncviewer (tightvnc) all days in work... |
| 02:39.30 | erstazi | in xterm-advanced, it works but in other apps |
| 02:39.32 | milhouse | pupnik: you have an n800? |
| 02:39.35 | erstazi | saaib, same here, its part of my job |
| 02:39.37 | pupnik | no |
| 02:39.42 | milhouse | oh ffs! ;) |
| 02:39.57 | erstazi | milhouse, pupnik and I do not like the new ways, the old ways with us! |
| 02:39.58 | erstazi | haha |
| 02:39.59 | milhouse | i'm surrounded by 770 owners! |
| 02:40.08 | erstazi | milhouse, screw you and your two SD cards |
| 02:40.10 | erstazi | slots |
| 02:40.13 | Tu13es | i have an n800 but not handy :P |
| 02:40.21 | erstazi | s/SD cards/SD slots |
| 02:40.22 | milhouse | and my lush camera *cough* |
| 02:40.26 | erstazi | pfft |
| 02:40.41 | saaib | erstazi, I use synergy, vnc and rdesktop for all my connectivity solution |
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| 02:41.30 | sparr | milhouse: i got localepurge working. 10MB freed (probably about 1MB compressed) |
| 02:41.53 | sparr | milhouse: further investigation tells me nokia might be willing to use this... they have docpurge on the built in image, that deletes man pages and such |
| 02:42.09 | milhouse | was that purging both local locations? |
| 02:42.10 | erstazi | saaib, same here |
| 02:42.19 | milhouse | or just /usr/share/local ? |
| 02:42.24 | sparr | just share |
| 02:42.28 | sparr | the other one cant be purged |
| 02:42.30 | erstazi | I sadly have to connect to window NT terminal servers |
| 02:42.35 | milhouse | sparr: oh really? |
| 02:42.41 | milhouse | sparr: that's a bummer |
| 02:42.43 | erstazi | then vnc again to the computer I am working on |
| 02:42.44 | sparr | the one in /usr/lib/locale is a single binary file, i cant find any compatible tools to take it apart |
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| 02:42.58 | milhouse | although it would probably only free just over 1MB in terms of filesystem space |
| 02:42.59 | erstazi | sparr, a sledge hammer works (: |
| 02:43.20 | milhouse | sparr: uh ok, that would explain the odd du -h readings i saw but didn't investigate |
| 02:43.43 | Agogo | any dev working on vid conf support 4 n800 with pcs? |
| 02:44.02 | sparr | 1MB is plenty |
| 02:44.05 | sparr | 1-2% |
| 02:44.06 | milhouse | sparr: er yes... all the locals are empty and the entire 4.1Mb is in the file locale-archive |
| 02:44.18 | saaib | erstazi, I feel your pain (TS) |
| 02:44.38 | erstazi | sometimes, I hate security haha |
| 02:44.42 | sparr | i believe that 10MB freed up about 2MB of real space |
| 02:44.46 | sparr | if df is to be believed |
| 02:44.53 | erstazi | but remote desktoping from home is a life saver |
| 02:45.00 | erstazi | instead of driving 3 hours through crap |
| 02:45.06 | sparr | well worth it, in the long run... will keep saving space as I install new packages |
| 02:45.25 | sparr | down side is that i added 1-2 seconds onto every package install. still worth it. |
| 02:45.38 | milhouse | well you only do the install once |
| 02:45.50 | sparr | precisely |
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| 03:00.24 | sparr | grrr |
| 03:00.30 | sparr | i lost 2.8MB to /usr/share/i18n/charmaps/ :( |
| 03:00.38 | sparr | as a pre-req of localepurge |
| 03:01.30 | sparr | but a pre-req that it doesnt seem to need past configuration |
| 03:03.51 | sparr | so, hooray |
| 03:03.53 | sparr | working localepurge |
| 03:14.47 | sparr | milhouse: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=66894 |
| 03:16.08 | milhouse | might help someone if they're in a jam for space |
| 03:16.12 | saaib | erstazi, so, I can compile now in arm and i386, but in order to test the app an X server is needed. Is my understanding that the arm rootstrap package does not include one but the i386 does, so in order to run Xephy the i386 Target should be selected, however, since only ONE target at a time can be selected 9even while trying multiple logins) how supposed am I going to run the app (arm compiled) while on i386 ? |
| 03:17.04 | saaib | or is it that the Xephyr server should be ran outside the scratchbox at al? that might be |
| 03:18.24 | erstazi | saaib, I am not that far with X server in scratchbox, I have dabbled a bit, but you should be able to run it as ARM I think |
| 03:18.38 | erstazi | pupnik, your thoughts? |
| 03:19.15 | erstazi | people like milhouse and pupnik and others have been playing with these for a while, I have only a week of experience |
| 03:19.25 | erstazi | the ARM architecture is new to me |
| 03:19.55 | sparr | milhouse: meh, once i have 50MB of stuff installed i bet there will be 5-10MB of saved space on locales. freeciv was especially bad |
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| 03:20.06 | sparr | milhouse: if i could get wesnoth it would probably be worse |
| 03:20.29 | sparr | milhouse: one enlightening point of all this... now i know what tana_fi_ is for in the menu names :) |
| 03:20.52 | milhouse | sounds finnish to me :) |
| 03:21.01 | sparr | no idea what it MEANS |
| 03:21.08 | sparr | but it signifies a localizable string |
| 03:21.16 | pupnik | sorry i was reading about something else |
| 03:21.16 | sparr | tana_fi_games is "Games" or "Spiele" or whatever |
| 03:21.33 | erstazi | pupnik, its ok |
| 03:21.44 | erstazi | pupnik, when you are available, can I ask you a question? |
| 03:21.58 | pupnik | you can run arm apps on the pc with xephyr |
| 03:22.07 | pupnik | xephyr lives on the host side of the pc, not in scratchbox |
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| 03:22.42 | pupnik | x being a networking protocol |
| 03:22.56 | pupnik | it is ignorant of the architecture of the app that is talking to it |
| 03:23.54 | pupnik | saaib: you can run your app from the arm target - just export DISPLAY=:2 |
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| 03:24.16 | pupnik | and run start-xephyr.sh on the host side |
| 03:25.16 | milhouse | Tana seems to be a region in Norway where they speak 3 languages (Norwegian, Sami and Finnish)... maybe that's why it was chosen as a "codeword" for the localizable strings. |
| 03:25.37 | milhouse | Nokians seems to like personalising "things" |
| 03:26.33 | saaib | pupnik, that's correct, you can run Xephyr from the host while it is installed on the host or using the one from the i386 rootstrap, that means that the i386 rootstrap is mandatory even when the apps will be compiled for arm. |
| 03:27.13 | saaib | anyway, aside of the X server topic, I just compiled the hello-world-gtk code in arm target, but while trying to run: |
| 03:27.22 | sparr | any main wiki page editors about? |
| 03:27.32 | saaib | [sbox-ARM_Devel: ~/hello-world-gtk] > ./hello |
| 03:27.32 | saaib | qemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - exiting |
| 03:28.35 | pupnik | don't know - you can strace ./hello |
| 03:29.56 | sparr | milhouse: wiki... "How to edit the posix-locale data". stay tuned :) |
| 03:30.52 | Luria | anyone having trouble with sshd on the n800? |
| 03:31.10 | sparr | dropbear or openssh? just for information, i dont have n800 to help |
| 03:31.12 | saaib | pupnik, it dies here: |
| 03:31.16 | saaib | write(3, "[2007-08-09 03:28:54 31068] meth"..., 152) = 152 |
| 03:31.16 | saaib | rt_sigaction(SIGCHLD, {0x8048bb0, [], SA_RESTORER, 0x80499b8}, NULL, 8) = 0 |
| 03:31.27 | saaib | nothing meaningful |
| 03:31.41 | Luria | winscp->n800(current os2007), just seems to die after 15 sec |
| 03:31.43 | Luria | openssh |
| 03:31.44 | _Monkey | somebody said openssh was a FREE version of the SSH connectivity tools that technical users of the Internet rely on. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/openssh/ |
| 03:31.51 | jyro | hi guys, i have a scratchbox question |
| 03:32.30 | Luria | wow. ive never heard a commercial for openssh before. |
| 03:32.31 | jyro | i am using different scratchbox versions, few recommended on wiki , one preinstalled in SDK VM, etc |
| 03:32.45 | Luria | ;-) |
| 03:32.57 | jyro | is scratchbox aphophis version supposed to work with n770? |
| 03:33.10 | jyro | or for n770 development |
| 03:33.27 | Darksmurf | did they ever get the new opera core to work on the 770? |
| 03:34.27 | pupnik | dunno jyro, but i don't see why it wouldn't |
| 03:34.27 | erstazi | jyro, thats what I use |
| 03:34.30 | sparr | Darksmurf: that would be the one with support for flash 9? i wish :( |
| 03:34.41 | jyro | ok gr8 |
| 03:34.44 | Darksmurf | sparr yeah :-( |
| 03:35.04 | sparr | my boss and I got our 770s yesterday |
| 03:35.08 | sparr | he wants to watch youtube on his |
| 03:35.40 | pupnik | 770 is a bit slow for that |
| 03:35.43 | jyro | also which tar.gz is responsible for giving cpu transparency options? |
| 03:35.49 | jyro | is it devkit? |
| 03:35.56 | pupnik | you can grab youtube vids with youtube-dl then watch them in mplayer |
| 03:38.13 | jyro | ok i see specific devkit-cputransp*tar.gz packages |
| 03:38.22 | jyro | that's what i am looking for i guess |
| 03:39.53 | sparr | :( |
| 03:39.55 | sparr | note to self |
| 03:39.56 | sparr | make backups |
| 03:40.24 | Luria | crap. i made that note once. |
| 03:40.31 | Luria | i think i lost it. |
| 03:40.35 | sparr | anyone have icebreaker installed? |
| 03:40.37 | sparr | on 770? |
| 03:40.48 | Luria | pro'lly should have backed it up. |
| 03:40.55 | sparr | or battle gweled? |
| 03:42.00 | pupnik | i'm sure some people do |
| 03:42.02 | sparr | well |
| 03:42.06 | sparr | heres my quandry |
| 03:42.14 | sparr | the startup screen is showing non-localized strings |
| 03:42.22 | sparr | game_ia_startup_notstarted |
| 03:42.23 | sparr | etc |
| 03:42.49 | sparr | but I still have /usr/share/locale/en_US/LC_MESSAGES/maemo-games-startup.mo which localizes that string |
| 03:43.10 | sparr | so im curious if anyone can help me figure out which file i got rid of is it reading? |
| 03:43.27 | Darksmurf | sparr are there other strings in there that are working? or are they all foobar-ed? |
| 03:43.48 | sparr | grr |
| 03:43.53 | sparr | reboot, now all fubar |
| 03:44.05 | pupnik | i've managed to do that before |
| 03:44.05 | sparr | which happened before when i deleted locale-archive |
| 03:44.10 | sparr | but i replaced that and fixed it |
| 03:44.25 | sparr | well, maybe i didnt |
| 03:44.45 | Darksmurf | my IE and firefox keep crashing. Only had this problem since I installed vmware... :-( |
| 03:45.25 | saaib | pupnik, I have Xephyr running on host (:2) and while logged into scratchbox into an arm target, while trying to run af-sb-init.sh start I get: Starting Maemo Launcher: maemo-launcherqemu: uncaught target signal 4 (Illegal instruction) - exiting |
| 03:45.25 | saaib | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:45.52 | saaib | I guess this will be a common situation for all the arm builds? Do I miss something on my scratchbox setup? |
| 03:46.04 | saaib | I can run it just fine while logged in a i386 target |
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| 03:46.48 | sparr | reboot time |
| 03:46.58 | sparr | boot takes too long... im going to investigate parallel init eventually |
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| 03:48.28 | Luria | maemo.org's login scheme is wonky |
| 03:49.30 | Luria | anyone see this? |
| 03:49.31 | Luria | http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2007/08/04/1185648197448.html |
| 03:49.39 | erstazi | Luria, yes |
| 03:51.02 | pupnik | saaib: no ideas |
| 03:51.07 | Luria | oh, i linkified the hebrew howto to the culmus fonts, finally. for some reason i couldnt log in last night to maemo.org. |
| 03:51.48 | Luria | i just wish the system fonts were oss'ed so everybody doesnt have to patch them |
| 03:52.06 | Luria | and could just use a single download |
| 03:52.44 | erstazi | Luria, haha, thats dreaming |
| 03:52.52 | erstazi | too many fonts are proprietary |
| 03:52.55 | Luria | twas a mere wish |
| 03:54.21 | Luria | i would trade oss fonts for a large proprietary unicode font set |
| 03:54.50 | erstazi | arial |
| 03:54.56 | erstazi | its default |
| 03:54.56 | Luria | what possessed them to ignore non western sets |
| 03:55.07 | Luria | i do use arial on my nokia |
| 03:55.11 | Luria | but |
| 03:55.13 | erstazi | Luria, well, UTF-8 is messed up in that aspect |
| 03:55.29 | erstazi | it supports european language characters |
| 03:55.57 | erstazi | but ignores Asianic languages and Afro-Semitic languages |
| 03:55.57 | Luria | for the vkb you have to patch /usr/share/fonts/nokia/*.ttf |
| 03:56.05 | erstazi | s/european languages/indo-european languages |
| 03:56.32 | Luria | and its either hamito semitic or afro asiatic :-) |
| 03:56.49 | saaib | pupnik, this is funky, the enviroment is falling appart...Now if I run the autogen.sh script it shows a bunch of errors not compiling enymore :S |
| 03:57.08 | pupnik | what does autogen.sh do? |
| 03:57.16 | Luria | erstazi, so you are saying the unicode sys font supports sanskrit |
| 03:57.23 | saaib | (not even if I remove the hello-world-gtk directory and re-untar the tgz source |
| 03:57.31 | erstazi | Luria, technically, it should |
| 03:58.02 | erstazi | what I know is, UTF-8 encoding does not support Asianic languages |
| 03:58.07 | erstazi | I thought hebrew was supported |
| 03:58.08 | procto | you can't ever be annoyingly linguistic |
| 03:58.12 | procto | hebrew is supported |
| 03:58.14 | Luria | well, if they supported all ie languages, they would have farsi and thus fix arabic :-) |
| 03:58.22 | erstazi | but the font has to be able to have hebrew characters |
| 03:58.25 | saaib | pupnik, it is complaining that cannot create temp files /tmp and /var |
| 03:58.26 | Luria | utf-8 most certainly supports hebrew |
| 03:58.33 | procto | I've used hebrew on my n800 |
| 03:58.45 | erstazi | so its the font's issue |
| 03:58.51 | Luria | i have hebrew support for nearly everything on the n800 |
| 03:58.54 | saaib | pupnik, how do I restart the whole scratchbox enviroment? (ummount, remount) |
| 03:59.00 | erstazi | I just know languages like Chinese and Japanese are left out cold from UTF-8 |
| 03:59.08 | pupnik | maybe you need to run it with fakeroot? (guess) |
| 03:59.34 | erstazi | saaib, sb-menu then reset a target |
| 04:00.08 | erstazi | remove basically removes the targets, but reset is a lot less work instead of having to do it all over again |
| 04:00.42 | saaib | erstazi, nonsense.. if I select Reset a Target, then it prompts back "are you sure to delete all files of target XXX?" |
| 04:00.50 | saaib | uh? |
| 04:01.25 | pupnik | maybe it deletes and reinstalls |
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| 04:01.43 | erstazi | hmm, thats what worked for me |
| 04:01.56 | erstazi | saaib, the manual might say differently |
| 04:02.19 | saaib | pupnik, nope, I tried to reset and accepted to delete the files, and still the same errors |
| 04:03.09 | erstazi | hmm |
| 04:03.17 | sparr | milhouse: sadly, editing locales seems to involve rebuilding the archive from scratch. beyond me until i get a build environment set up |
| 04:03.21 | pupnik | ls |
| 04:03.25 | erstazi | what were the errors again? |
| 04:04.02 | saaib | there are several which didn't came up when it was working |
| 04:04.04 | saaib | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:04.04 | saaib | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:04.10 | saaib | autom4te: cannot create /var/tmp/am4t2791.4276: No such file or directory |
| 04:04.10 | saaib | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:04.18 | saaib | seems to me something realted to mount points of premissions |
| 04:04.26 | saaib | + autoconf |
| 04:04.26 | saaib | autom4te: cannot create /var/tmp/am4t9671.4286: No such file or directory |
| 04:04.26 | saaib | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:04.31 | saaib | + autoheader |
| 04:04.31 | saaib | autoheader2.50: cannot create /var/tmp/ah6601.4353: No such file or directory |
| 04:04.32 | saaib | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:04.34 | saaib | and so on |
| 04:05.25 | saaib | I'll remove and recreate the targets and see if this fixes the problem |
| 04:06.59 | erstazi | ok |
| 04:08.04 | saaib | yep |
| 04:08.11 | saaib | that fixed the compilation errors |
| 04:08.17 | erstazi | ah |
| 04:08.21 | erstazi | odd |
| 04:09.09 | pupnik | alias lsd="ls -l |grep ^d" |
| 04:09.33 | saaib | while logged on arm target I compiled successfully, but when tried to run the test, got: |
| 04:09.36 | saaib | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:09.36 | saaib | Unsupported setsockopt level=1 optname=9 |
| 04:09.36 | saaib | qemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - exiting |
| 04:10.38 | saaib | pupnik, isn't easier: ls -ld ? |
| 04:11.09 | pupnik | ls -ld doesn't work for me |
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| 04:12.49 | erstazi | maemo-launcher start failed. ugh |
| 04:13.29 | pupnik | i don't test apps in scratchbox any more - always on device |
| 04:13.50 | erstazi | pupnik, I know |
| 04:13.55 | erstazi | just trying to get that to work |
| 04:14.01 | saaib | pupnik, mainly because bogus? :P |
| 04:14.01 | pupnik | but for games this makes sense - for other apps i can see scratchbox being useful |
| 04:14.30 | pupnik | i broke mine saaib and never tried to fix it |
| 04:14.34 | erstazi | pupnik, like speech to text? (: pocketsphinx is promising, I just need to change the hildon-input-method |
| 04:14.47 | pupnik | that's a great project erstazi |
| 04:15.02 | erstazi | pupnik, I got it as a deb, and I have to repackage it |
| 04:15.06 | erstazi | something errored |
| 04:15.13 | erstazi | so I want to test in this so I know whats wrong |
| 04:15.19 | saaib | while logged in arm target I created a new target (i386), and now that I try to select it (sb-menu) I got the message: You must close your other Scratchbox session first |
| 04:15.24 | pupnik | ah i understand |
| 04:15.29 | saaib | If I close the session I'll be logged out from scratchbox |
| 04:15.58 | pupnik | saaib: maybe some process is running in background? |
| 04:16.56 | saaib | pupnik, ah.. that's it! had to kill all the processes. |
| 04:17.44 | pupnik | :) good. i am off to test games |
| 04:17.52 | saaib | now on i386 I re-untar the src code, and now compiles and runs fine... |
| 04:18.00 | saaib | the problem now is only with the arm target :S |
| 04:18.02 | pupnik | you are fast |
| 04:18.29 | pupnik | bbl |
| 04:19.08 | saaib | ahh.. now on i386 the maemo-launcher runs fine |
| 04:19.18 | saaib | wonder what's the problem on the arm rootstrap |
| 04:19.39 | saaib | and why the target enviroment gets corrupted all of the sudden |
| 04:21.11 | erstazi | saaib, did maemo-launcher fail for you? |
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| 04:22.19 | saaib | erstazi, maemo-launcher is running, some images are missing from the desktop |
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| 04:25.12 | sparr | fonts are a hundred years or so behind modern IP practices :) |
| 04:25.26 | erstazi | ah |
| 04:25.30 | erstazi | yes |
| 04:25.36 | saaib | erstazi, http://saaib.net/maemo-ss01.jpg |
| 04:26.48 | pupnik | "A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort." |
| 04:27.08 | erstazi | on the host I get this: X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown). on the scratchbox I get this: X connection to :2.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown). |
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| 04:27.23 | erstazi | I know I set both displays as :2 |
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| 04:29.41 | erstazi | hi slomo and rkaway1 |
| 04:30.44 | erstazi | saaib, I have the same theme as your nokia but different background |
| 04:30.54 | saaib | pupnik, lol :) |
| 04:31.29 | saaib | erstazi, what's the default background image used by the mameo-launcher? |
| 04:31.48 | erstazi | saaib, on scratchbox? I cant even get Xephyr to work right now |
| 04:31.50 | erstazi | learning that part yet |
| 04:32.41 | saaib | erstazi, do you have tcl/expect on your host box? I'm thinking of redoing the scratchbox with an expect script to make it easier |
| 04:33.19 | erstazi | saaib, yes, I might just give in and use the vmware app I found |
| 04:33.23 | erstazi | but not just yet |
| 04:33.24 | erstazi | haha |
| 04:33.27 | saaib | erstazi, so you have Xephyr running on :2? |
| 04:33.31 | erstazi | yes |
| 04:33.35 | erstazi | I specifically set it as that |
| 04:33.45 | erstazi | on the host |
| 04:33.59 | saaib | what if you open another terminal and issue: export DISPLAY=:2; xterm |
| 04:34.11 | saaib | do you get the xterm in the Xephyr server? |
| 04:34.40 | erstazi | oh shit I see my problem |
| 04:37.18 | sparr | crap |
| 04:37.23 | sparr | i thought of something i needed to do |
| 04:37.24 | sparr | and forgot |
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| 04:41.54 | saaib | erstazi, what was the problem? |
| 04:42.00 | jbinder | Can mplayer play a mkv file? |
| 04:42.13 | Luria | grrr... i dont like vmplayer |
| 04:43.16 | erstazi | saaib, /temp/.X0-lock |
| 04:47.41 | sparr | aha |
| 04:47.45 | sparr | i wanted to work on a keyboard |
| 04:59.54 | sparr | is the xml file for en_us.vkb (the us english keyboard) available? |
| 05:01.11 | erstazi | sparr, I would believe so, somewhere under /home/user/.osso I believe |
| 05:01.30 | sparr | i am doubtful |
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| 05:04.40 | sparr | if anyone can tell me where http://maemo.org/downloads/him-plugin-examples/him-plugins-sdk-example-0.0.2.tar.gz might have moved to, i would be most grateful |
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| 05:19.59 | Rocketman | Could someone tell me what the maemo-launcher process is for and why I have 6 copies of it running? |
| 05:21.00 | *** join/#maemo Artemisprime (n=user@CPE-65-30-176-32.wi.res.rr.com) |
| 05:21.20 | Artemisprime | Hello |
| 05:21.42 | Artemisprime | Im o 778 |
| 05:21.48 | Artemisprime | On |
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| 05:22.31 | Artemisprime | Any good gaes |
| 05:22.39 | Artemisprime | Gaes |
| 05:22.43 | Rocketman | Did you mean to say you are on your 770? |
| 05:22.49 | Artemisprime | Gay |
| 05:22.54 | Artemisprime | Yes |
| 05:22.56 | Rocketman | GAMES |
| 05:22.59 | Rocketman | GAMES |
| 05:22.59 | Artemisprime | Oops |
| 05:23.01 | Rocketman | GAMES |
| 05:23.05 | Artemisprime | Yes |
| 05:23.14 | Rocketman | I think someone shouldn't tap and drink at the same time |
| 05:23.26 | Rocketman | What type of games do you like? There are tons |
| 05:23.30 | Artemisprime | Hehe |
| 05:23.59 | Artemisprime | Whats a good sitte |
| 05:24.19 | Rocketman | Checkout garage.maemo.org |
| 05:24.25 | Rocketman | that is the main project hosting site |
| 05:24.33 | Artemisprime | K |
| 05:24.41 | Rocketman | and check out http://www.internettablettalk.com/ |
| 05:24.52 | Artemisprime | Thanx |
| 05:24.52 | Rocketman | that is the main discussion forum |
| 05:25.05 | Artemisprime | Preciate it |
| 05:25.31 | Artemisprime | Just got p |
| 05:25.48 | Artemisprime | Idin workin today |
| 05:26.00 | Artemisprime | :) |
| 05:27.14 | *** part/#maemo Artemisprime (n=user@CPE-65-30-176-32.wi.res.rr.com) |
| 05:32.39 | Rocketman | So, anyone else actually want to chat? |
| 05:32.56 | Rocketman | 209 users and nobody is at home? |
| 05:33.12 | timeless | that's right |
| 05:35.50 | Rocketman | Ah, you are one of those "I'm going to take the internet with me and there is nothing you can do to stop me" guys :) |
| 05:36.20 | Rocketman | My N800 is too busy streaming videos to chat with atm, so I am on my desktop |
| 05:36.28 | Rocketman | I love orb |
| 05:36.57 | timeless | no, i just forgot to leave work |
| 05:39.37 | Rocketman | I hate it when that happens |
| 05:39.53 | Rocketman | and it happens a lot, given I am my own boss |
| 05:42.40 | Rocketman | So, has anyone tried the newly updated version of Nokia's Mozilla based browser? |
| 05:45.08 | saaib | nite all... later |
| 05:45.39 | Rocketman | Wouldn't even have known he was here if he hadn't announce he was leaving... |
| 05:48.07 | erstazi | Rocketman, I have tried minimo if thats what you were talking about |
| 05:49.44 | rwhitby | I think he's talking about microb |
| 05:51.06 | erstazi | rwhitby, ah |
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| 05:52.23 | Rocketman | Yeah, microb |
| 05:53.08 | jyro | hey pupnik |
| 05:53.09 | _Monkey | pupnik is stupid, swap is enabled >_< sorry |
| 05:53.24 | jyro | i got mtpaint compiled and running on my 770 |
| 05:53.31 | jyro | thanks to u |
| 05:53.31 | timeless | sorry, did someone say microb? |
| 05:53.52 | Rocketman | Yes, I did |
| 05:54.30 | Rocketman | I was wondering if anyone had tried the new updated version of it? I updated last night, but almost all the bugs I had noted before are still present |
| 05:54.48 | timeless | which bugs do you have in mind? |
| 05:54.57 | Rocketman | The keyboard issues, mainly |
| 05:55.00 | timeless | i have an unreleased list of the things we fixed |
| 05:55.11 | timeless | the keyboard issues need to be qad |
| 05:55.19 | timeless | they should be qa'd w/in the next couple of hours |
| 05:55.24 | rwhitby | where is the update? |
| 05:55.25 | timeless | the fix will be pushed w/ it |
| 05:55.28 | timeless | (qa just arrived) |
| 05:55.52 | Rocketman | There is also an issue with browsing certain sites with flash player enabled causing it to crash |
| 05:55.52 | *** join/#maemo xan (n=xan@a88-112-51-91.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 05:56.05 | Rocketman | Not sure if that one is bugzilla'd |
| 05:56.30 | Rocketman | but try checking out www.escapepod.org with it enabled. Let the site load up and then try to scroll down |
| 05:56.33 | timeless | i certainly haven't seen it |
| 05:56.55 | Rocketman | 100% crashing on mine 0% if I disable the flash plugin |
| 05:57.22 | Rocketman | Lots of other people have verified that one for me, but strangely it doesn't seem to effect everyone |
| 05:57.43 | Rocketman | I think it may only apply to people that restored a backup after upgrading to the latest fw |
| 05:58.16 | Rocketman | Browsing with flash enabled is like play Russian Roulette |
| 05:58.51 | Rocketman | you never know when you are going to come across a site that will crash it |
| 05:59.04 | timeless | ok, i just went to http://www.escapepod.org |
| 05:59.16 | timeless | my toolbar shows me at http://escapepod.org/ |
| 05:59.19 | timeless | and there's no content |
| 05:59.24 | timeless | i do have an rss indicator |
| 05:59.40 | *** join/#maemo db48x (n=db48x@cl-76.qas-01.us.sixxs.net) |
| 05:59.43 | timeless | and my quick flash enabler in the toolbar says flash is enabled |
| 05:59.51 | Rocketman | Weird |
| 06:00.00 | Rocketman | I am viewing it in Firefox on my desktop right now |
| 06:00.05 | Rocketman | let me try on my tablet |
| 06:00.23 | Rocketman | loads on my n800 |
| 06:00.38 | timeless | fwiw, the way debian repositories work... |
| 06:00.45 | timeless | you'll get whichever the latest version of a package is |
| 06:00.47 | rwhitby | I had to uninstall microb due to the keyboard popping up all the time. |
| 06:00.56 | timeless | and since there isn't currently an unstable repository |
| 06:01.07 | timeless | the only real way to test things is for them to land in the public one |
| 06:01.25 | timeless | so people who've upgraded over the past two days will have slightly newer versions :| |
| 06:01.46 | timeless | rwhitby: i finally forced someone to fix that |
| 06:01.51 | timeless | but the fix needs to be tested by qa |
| 06:01.57 | timeless | qa arrived, but i have a meeting all day today |
| 06:02.19 | rwhitby | timeless: no worries - I know how long these things take |
| 06:02.40 | timeless | do you guys know of other bugs that are of interest? |
| 06:02.54 | Rocketman | Escapepod definitely loading on mine. Goes poof when I scroll down so that a flash object appears in view |
| 06:03.14 | rwhitby | to tell you the truth, the keyboard one was so annoying that I stopped using it pretty much straight away. |
| 06:03.19 | timeless | hrm, tapping the go icon again and now the page loads... |
| 06:03.51 | Rocketman | How about the issue with the browser selection menu not appearing on some people's N800's |
| 06:04.25 | timeless | i'm more interested in bugs that aren't reported in bugs.maemo.org :) |
| 06:04.29 | Rocketman | excuse me, the menu name is "Set engine" |
| 06:04.37 | timeless | e.g. this escapepod one that i can't reproduce |
| 06:04.59 | timeless | rocketman: sorry, we need info, like what's special that causes the behavior not to work properly |
| 06:05.19 | Rocketman | Timeless, a lot of people on ITT have reported the issue with flash causing the browser to crash on certain sites |
| 06:05.33 | *** join/#maemo _Monkey (n=_Monkey@dsl-217-155-26-150.zen.co.uk) |
| 06:05.35 | timeless | although, maybe i can force an engineer here to change the logic so that if it has more than one engine... |
| 06:05.45 | erstazi | _Monkey is back |
| 06:05.49 | erstazi | yay |
| 06:05.52 | Rocketman | The general consensus was that it appears to do that on units that were upgraded to the latest firmware and then restored data from backup |
| 06:06.07 | timeless | the menu thing? |
| 06:06.11 | timeless | ah, that'd make sense |
| 06:06.17 | Rocketman | I think both |
| 06:06.17 | timeless | why didn't someone comment in the bug!? :( |
| 06:06.45 | erstazi | timeless, I can test microb also |
| 06:06.50 | erstazi | if it works on OS2006 (: |
| 06:07.09 | Rocketman | A lot of people are seeing strange issues like that with restoring their data after applying the latest fw |
| 06:08.44 | Rocketman | Hey, do you know if the on screen keyboard still appears and then disappears if you click on a text box in fullscreen mode (with the latest updates that haven't gone through QA)? |
| 06:08.48 | timeless | sorry, it works for me on 3.2007 |
| 06:09.19 | timeless | we're not pushing that deb until it goes through qa |
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| 06:09.29 | erstazi | hi dolske |
| 06:11.27 | Rocketman | Zerojay on ITT experiences the same issue with escapepod.org with flash enabled |
| 06:11.53 | Rocketman | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7805&page=21 |
| 06:12.12 | timeless | page = 21 ?! |
| 06:12.20 | timeless | you guys are nuts |
| 06:13.00 | timeless | oh |
| 06:13.00 | dolske | timeless: isn't 21 pages about the length of your review queue? :P |
| 06:13.10 | timeless | dolske: pending? i think it's only 9 |
| 06:13.14 | Rocketman | hehehe, what else do we have to talk about while doing "The Internet Walk" ? |
| 06:13.16 | Rocketman | :) |
| 06:13.16 | timeless | or 7 depending on how you render it |
| 06:13.20 | *** join/#maemo behdad (n=behdad@CPE000fb55e466d-CM0012c9c84bc4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 06:13.32 | timeless | dolske: and i don't have to read my own queue |
| 06:13.34 | erstazi | hi behdad how are you? |
| 06:13.51 | timeless | anyway, fwiw, flash disabled itself on escapepod |
| 06:13.55 | Rocketman | I guess it is the reason so many of us have dents in our foreheads from walking into poles |
| 06:13.56 | timeless | it probably ran out of memory and was nice to me :) |
| 06:13.57 | behdad | erstazi: great. thanks. |
| 06:14.12 | behdad | xan: so, you're learning how to earn points ;) |
| 06:14.32 | Rocketman | When it poofs on me, I get an error message saying: |
| 06:14.38 | Rocketman | "Internal error. Application 'Web' closed." |
| 06:14.53 | Luria | oh yeah, love that |
| 06:15.06 | Luria | i get lots of internal errors |
| 06:15.20 | Luria | web and rss are usually the culprits |
| 06:15.40 | Rocketman | Luria, try seeing if browsing www.escapepod.org crashes your browser |
| 06:15.45 | Luria | k one ce |
| 06:15.47 | Luria | sec |
| 06:15.52 | Rocketman | wait for it to finish loading and then scroll down |
| 06:16.04 | Rocketman | try it both with flash enabled and disabled |
| 06:16.13 | behdad | xan: my script is your friend http://mces.blogspot.com/2006/04/my-bug-fixing-attitude.html |
| 06:16.16 | Luria | also, anyone have a thing with disappearing home screen applets? |
| 06:16.51 | Luria | Rocketman, microb or opera? |
| 06:16.57 | Rocketman | microb |
| 06:16.58 | _Monkey | microb is the nokia sponsored gtk2-cairo hack of gecko for use by /usr/bin/browser via eal on n800 (4.2007) |
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| 06:17.22 | Rocketman | although it does the same thing in opera I believe, once microb is installed |
| 06:17.57 | Luria | one sec, n800 is going nuts |
| 06:18.04 | Rocketman | Please tell me _Monkey is a bot |
| 06:18.12 | Rocketman | _Monkey |
| 06:18.13 | _Monkey | Rocketman? |
| 06:18.16 | Rocketman | _Monkey |
| 06:18.17 | _Monkey | yes, Rocketman? |
| 06:18.19 | Rocketman | _Monkey |
| 06:18.20 | _Monkey | yes, Rocketman? |
| 06:18.25 | Rocketman | Yup, definitely a bot :) |
| 06:18.39 | Luria | you should have seen the openssh ad it gave me |
| 06:18.43 | Rocketman | _Monkey climb a tree |
| 06:18.43 | _Monkey | Rocketman: i'm not following you... |
| 06:18.48 | erstazi | Rocketman is a person who likes to spank the _Monkey |
| 06:18.57 | erstazi | Rocketman? |
| 06:18.58 | _Monkey | hmmm... Rocketman is viewing the script in nano right now, but not sure what I need to change/add |
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| 06:19.14 | erstazi | _Monkey, forget Rocketman |
| 06:19.14 | _Monkey | erstazi: I forgot rocketman |
| 06:19.19 | Rocketman | heh |
| 06:19.22 | erstazi | _Monkey, Rocketman is a person who likes to spank the _Monkey |
| 06:19.24 | _Monkey | i haven't a clue, erstazi |
| 06:19.28 | erstazi | ugh |
| 06:19.37 | Luria | _Monkey |
| 06:19.37 | erstazi | _Monkey, Rocketman is a person who likes to spank the monkey |
| 06:19.38 | _Monkey | Luria? |
| 06:19.38 | _Monkey | bugger all, i dunno, erstazi |
| 06:19.48 | Rocketman | are you trying to teach it dirty tricks? |
| 06:19.51 | erstazi | yes |
| 06:19.51 | rwhitby | Rocketman is a person who likes to spank the monkey |
| 06:19.54 | erstazi | I usually PM it |
| 06:20.01 | erstazi | Rocketman? |
| 06:20.02 | _Monkey | Rocketman is a person who likes to spank the monkey |
| 06:20.08 | Luria | _Monkey, shoot a rocket |
| 06:20.09 | _Monkey | Luria: what? |
| 06:20.16 | Rocketman | erstazi is a person who doesn't speak monkish |
| 06:20.22 | erstazi | haha |
| 06:20.31 | Rocketman | monkeyish? |
| 06:20.40 | Luria | escapepod is ok |
| 06:20.48 | Luria | wait |
| 06:20.50 | erstazi | Rocketman, the best part is, when people are typing to you, and they put your nick at the end of their statement, it will show |
| 06:20.50 | Luria | never mind |
| 06:20.59 | Luria | kB!'ed |
| 06:21.09 | Luria | (for those of you who shoot) |
| 06:21.16 | Rocketman | It crash for you Luria when you scrolled down? |
| 06:21.25 | Luria | after a little bit, yeah |
| 06:21.32 | Luria | microb+flash |
| 06:21.47 | Rocketman | Now try viewing the site with flash disabled (disable it and then restart browser) |
| 06:21.58 | timeless | ok |
| 06:22.00 | timeless | it crashed |
| 06:22.51 | timeless | no space left on mmc to create core :( |
| 06:22.52 | Luria | ok, plugin unchecked, closed. restarting |
| 06:23.15 | Luria | btw, anyone having trouble with disappearing home applets? |
| 06:23.44 | Rocketman | I haven't seen anything of that sort, Luria |
| 06:23.48 | Rocketman | sorry :( |
| 06:23.52 | Luria | thnx |
| 06:23.59 | Luria | ok, loading epod |
| 06:24.20 | Rocketman | It always sucks when you have a "unique" bug all to yourself |
| 06:24.22 | Luria | scrolled up and down |
| 06:24.33 | Luria | cant wait for 4.0, i think |
| 06:25.00 | Luria | of course, updating will be a two day process and none of the apps will work |
| 06:25.06 | Luria | but hey |
| 06:25.07 | *** join/#maemo Artemisprime (n=user@CPE-65-30-176-32.wi.res.rr.com) |
| 06:25.14 | erstazi | Luria, heh |
| 06:25.19 | erstazi | hello Artemisprime |
| 06:25.20 | Artemisprime | Hello |
| 06:25.20 | _Monkey | hey, Artemisprime |
| 06:25.35 | Luria | _Monkey, go spank yourself |
| 06:25.35 | _Monkey | Luria: huh? |
| 06:25.48 | Rocketman | Artemisprime is a monkey looking for games to play |
| 06:25.58 | Artemisprime | Is there a complete repository |
| 06:26.23 | Luria | yeah, still up and running with escapepod |
| 06:26.28 | Luria | with !flash |
| 06:26.33 | erstazi | Artemisprime, for which device? |
| 06:26.44 | Luria | seems ok |
| 06:26.44 | Artemisprime | So i can run all ths sruff |
| 06:26.55 | erstazi | Artemisprime, 770 or n800? |
| 06:27.05 | Rocketman | Timeless, Luria is reporting the same behaviour with flash as I and others have been seeing |
| 06:27.08 | Luria | on scrollback, did i see that there is a slighly newer microb? |
| 06:27.35 | Rocketman | Luria, did you do a restoration of a backup after flashing to OS 2007.4? |
| 06:27.45 | Luria | almost certainly |
| 06:27.48 | Artemisprime | The first one |
| 06:27.48 | _Monkey | somebody said the first one was simple... :) |
| 06:27.50 | Luria | oh sure |
| 06:28.00 | erstazi | Artemisprime, do you know about sources.list? |
| 06:28.05 | Luria | i ran into the package bug |
| 06:28.09 | timeless | rocketman: yeah, i reproduced it here |
| 06:28.15 | timeless | but my mmc was full |
| 06:28.20 | Luria | when you restore it wants to use your previous proxy settings |
| 06:28.21 | Rocketman | I think only people that did a backup restoration are experiencing it |
| 06:28.22 | Artemisprime | I dont |
| 06:28.33 | timeless | wait, which problem |
| 06:28.36 | timeless | the flash i got |
| 06:28.38 | Rocketman | the flash issue |
| 06:28.48 | timeless | i haven't done backup restores in recent memory |
| 06:28.50 | erstazi | Artemisprime, do you have xterm? is openssh or dropbear installed? |
| 06:28.53 | Rocketman | I don't want to reflash my unit to check, though |
| 06:28.57 | timeless | the problem i really want help tracking down is the set engine one |
| 06:28.59 | Artemisprime | Juust wannt aomplete repository |
| 06:29.07 | Luria | no, i was remembering that i did the restore because i had a bug with the package manager |
| 06:29.18 | Luria | it "restores |
| 06:29.20 | erstazi | Artemisprime, I am going to tell you how to get a complete repository |
| 06:29.27 | Rocketman | timeless, I had to edit some file to add that menu option on mine |
| 06:29.38 | Artemisprime | Ihave xterm |
| 06:29.50 | Luria | it "restores" your proxy settings and wont change them... which is a problem if you use privoxy |
| 06:29.51 | timeless | rocketman: yeah, but the question is why didn't the magic properly get you that item |
| 06:29.53 | Artemisprime | Thats all |
| 06:29.57 | erstazi | Artemisprime, can you ssh to your nokia? |
| 06:30.23 | Artemisprime | I dont know how |
| 06:30.34 | erstazi | Artemisprime, ok |
| 06:30.52 | Luria | better question, can we ssh to your nokia? |
| 06:30.53 | Luria | :-) |
| 06:31.04 | erstazi | Luria, I was thinking that |
| 06:31.09 | erstazi | I got a nice sources.list for the 770 |
| 06:31.13 | erstazi | OS2006 |
| 06:31.14 | _Monkey | it has been said that OS2006 is pretty stable |
| 06:31.19 | Artemisprime | I dont think i have open ssh installed |
| 06:31.27 | erstazi | openssh? |
| 06:31.28 | _Monkey | openssh is, like, a FREE version of the SSH connectivity tools that technical users of the Internet rely on. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/openssh/ |
| 06:31.29 | timeless | _monkey forget os2006 |
| 06:31.29 | _Monkey | timeless: I forgot os2006 |
| 06:31.37 | Luria | it has been said that _monkey is unstable. |
| 06:31.43 | erstazi | timeless must think that os2006 is not stable haha |
| 06:31.57 | erstazi | Artemisprime, ^^ |
| 06:32.02 | Artemisprime | Yes |
| 06:32.02 | timeless | _monkey os2006 is the second ABI (armel) for the Nokia 770 |
| 06:32.02 | _Monkey | OK, timeless. |
| 06:32.18 | timeless | erstazi: my 770 cmae w/ it |
| 06:32.33 | erstazi | timeless, is _Monkey your bot? |
| 06:32.35 | Artemisprime | What do i do |
| 06:32.54 | Artemisprime | Hehe |
| 06:32.57 | erstazi | Artemisprime, on your 770, click install |
| 06:33.04 | Artemisprime | K |
| 06:33.09 | erstazi | on that page there is "install" |
| 06:33.22 | Artemisprime | Appmnager |
| 06:33.26 | erstazi | yes |
| 06:33.27 | Artemisprime | New |
| 06:33.32 | Artemisprime | Right |
| 06:33.42 | guardian | morning |
| 06:33.43 | _Monkey | aloha |
| 06:33.52 | Artemisprime | K |
| 06:33.59 | Rocketman | Timeless, I think I had to edit /home/user/.browser and set hidden=true to get the Set browser menu back |
| 06:34.23 | Luria | didnt they fix that in the release |
| 06:34.38 | Artemisprime | Thenwhat |
| 06:34.40 | Luria | like two days after the beta went public? |
| 06:34.47 | erstazi | Artemisprime, is the install done? |
| 06:34.54 | Rocketman | I wonder if the installer for microb doesn't overwrite this file with a known good copy during installation |
| 06:35.06 | Artemisprime | What address |
| 06:35.08 | Rocketman | and is using an older copy that doesn't have all the right options enabled or something |
| 06:35.10 | erstazi | Artemisprime, what operating system does your desktop pc have? |
| 06:35.19 | Artemisprime | Xp |
| 06:36.16 | Artemisprime | Sorry |
| 06:36.21 | Artemisprime | Hehe |
| 06:37.00 | erstazi | Artemisprime, let me make an install file for the sources.list I have |
| 06:37.17 | Artemisprime | Sure |
| 06:37.19 | Rocketman | Anyways, TTYL all. I got to jet, literally. Picking up a friend at the Airport |
| 06:37.25 | erstazi | Rocketman, ttyl |
| 06:37.31 | Artemisprime | Ttyl |
| 06:38.02 | Luria | thank god for VMs |
| 06:38.32 | Artemisprime | Thanx erstaz |
| 06:39.04 | Artemisprime | Will this take long |
| 06:43.33 | erstazi | Artemisprime, transferring to my server now |
| 06:43.59 | Artemisprime | Ok |
| 06:44.26 | Artemisprime | Just add to the catalogue ? |
| 06:45.08 | erstazi | Artemisprime, no, I am making a simple install all repos |
| 06:45.20 | erstazi | I got a list of good repos |
| 06:45.47 | Artemisprime | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:45.50 | Luria | you posting or dccing? |
| 06:46.01 | Artemisprime | Awesoome |
| 06:46.04 | erstazi | ssh'ing to my server |
| 06:46.07 | erstazi | thats what haha |
| 06:46.24 | Luria | oh, very cute. |
| 06:46.26 | erstazi | now testing |
| 06:48.50 | erstazi | ok |
| 06:48.57 | Artemisprime | K |
| 06:49.06 | erstazi | Artemisprime, on your nokia 770, point your browser to http://c-wd.net/all.install |
| 06:49.34 | erstazi | this will add all the repos I found to be good and add the repos to your sources.list |
| 06:49.54 | erstazi | then you can just go to application manager to install instead of searching for them on the web |
| 06:50.31 | erstazi | and to clarify those who know about install's, I took precaution with the spacing and lettering |
| 06:51.07 | erstazi | and if anyone has any other repos to add that are *working* please let me know |
| 06:51.15 | Artemisprime | So |
| 06:51.36 | Artemisprime | Now what |
| 06:51.38 | timeless | rocketman: so um |
| 06:51.48 | timeless | could i possibly get you to use bugs.maemo.org to report the flash crasher? |
| 06:51.58 | Artemisprime | New catalogue |
| 06:52.05 | erstazi | timeless, rocketman is out |
| 06:52.14 | Artemisprime | Into in |
| 06:52.21 | erstazi | Artemisprime, did it load up with text? |
| 06:52.28 | timeless | ok, my meeting's starting |
| 06:52.31 | timeless | my day's dead |
| 06:52.31 | X-Fade_ | timeless: Do you ever sleep? :) |
| 06:52.31 | Artemisprime | Yes |
| 06:52.32 | erstazi | timeless, if I had a n800 and microb Iwould do it |
| 06:52.53 | timeless | erstazi: to be honest, there's enough info in the forums for you to file the bug w/o a device |
| 06:52.58 | timeless | look at the bugs i've filed |
| 06:53.06 | timeless | one of them was based on forum posts |
| 06:53.11 | erstazi | Artemisprime, ok, go to where it says Web - http://c-wd.net/all.install and then tap that, go to web page then save as |
| 06:53.12 | Artemisprime | Can i load alll at once |
| 06:53.35 | erstazi | Artemisprime, I am showing you that |
| 06:53.47 | erstazi | Artemisprime, remember where you save as |
| 06:54.15 | *** join/#maemo konttori (n=konttori@a88-114-91-19.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 06:54.16 | erstazi | then go to your file manager and locate where you saved it and double click all (OS2006 will hide extensions so .install will not show) |
| 06:54.29 | erstazi | then it should load, hopefully |
| 06:54.29 | Artemisprime | K |
| 06:54.35 | erstazi | I tested it and it worked |
| 06:54.51 | erstazi | timeless, enjoy your meeting (: |
| 06:54.54 | erstazi | hi konttori |
| 06:55.01 | konttori | hi |
| 06:55.17 | *** join/#maemo UKP (i=pools@78.32.64.139) |
| 06:55.26 | erstazi | hello UKP |
| 06:55.36 | erstazi | I need to sleep soon, ugh |
| 06:55.47 | Artemisprime | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:55.53 | timeless | ok, it crashed, yum |
| 06:56.20 | erstazi | Artemisprime, now go to Application Manager and refresh your catalog |
| 06:56.26 | erstazi | timeless, what crashed? |
| 06:56.31 | timeless | escapepod |
| 06:56.32 | _Monkey | i heard escapepod was ok |
| 06:56.34 | erstazi | ah |
| 06:57.22 | erstazi | timeless, do you work for Nokia? |
| 06:57.41 | timeless | yes |
| 06:57.51 | erstazi | ah |
| 06:58.00 | erstazi | must be fun (: |
| 06:58.10 | timeless | i'm the poor soul who writes http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/index.xml |
| 06:58.49 | Artemisprime | What can i think it only installed the lst oe on the lis |
| 06:59.04 | erstazi | "Even writing for blogs costs money." haha |
| 06:59.09 | Artemisprime | Damit |
| 06:59.22 | erstazi | Artemisprime, I am lost by what you mean |
| 06:59.29 | Artemisprime | I know |
| 06:59.34 | Artemisprime | Sorry |
| 07:00.08 | Artemisprime | I thhink itt only istalled the last one on th list |
| 07:00.10 | erstazi | Artemisprime, I can give you the full sources.list and you can go into xterm and run: nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:00.48 | Artemisprime | Whatevers clever |
| 07:00.50 | erstazi | then paste into that |
| 07:00.55 | erstazi | then ctrl+O then ctrl+X |
| 07:01.05 | erstazi | then go to application manager and refresh your catalog |
| 07:01.15 | erstazi | http://c-wd.net/sources.list |
| 07:01.26 | erstazi | I really need to put this stuff in its own directory on there |
| 07:01.45 | erstazi | maybe even give a few people privileges to use svn |
| 07:02.05 | Artemisprime | Can i just edit witth pc? |
| 07:02.10 | erstazi | Artemisprime, you can |
| 07:02.16 | erstazi | you say you have WIn XP right? |
| 07:02.22 | Artemisprime | Yes |
| 07:02.27 | erstazi | do you have PuTTy? |
| 07:02.32 | Artemisprime | No |
| 07:03.04 | erstazi | Putty will allow you to ssh to your device |
| 07:03.05 | erstazi | http://the.earth.li/~sgtatham/putty/latest/x86/putty.exe |
| 07:03.20 | Artemisprime | I can download from the web after i |
| 07:03.21 | erstazi | you will need to know your IP address of your nokia |
| 07:03.28 | Artemisprime | Update |
| 07:03.32 | erstazi | yes |
| 07:03.34 | erstazi | wait |
| 07:03.37 | erstazi | what are you talking about |
| 07:03.50 | erstazi | download from the web what after you update? |
| 07:03.54 | Artemisprime | Hol on |
| 07:04.12 | Artemisprime | Go to pc5 |
| 07:05.07 | *** join/#maemo glizitch (n=faffx@CPE-65-30-176-32.wi.res.rr.com) |
| 07:05.09 | glizitch | hello |
| 07:05.09 | _Monkey | hi, glizitch |
| 07:05.11 | erstazi | hi glizitch |
| 07:05.18 | glizitch | this is artemisprime |
| 07:05.19 | erstazi | how are you this lovely day? |
| 07:05.20 | glizitch | on PC |
| 07:05.21 | erstazi | oh |
| 07:05.23 | erstazi | ok |
| 07:05.23 | glizitch | :) |
| 07:05.30 | glizitch | much better |
| 07:05.40 | glizitch | keyboard and all |
| 07:05.42 | glizitch | hehe\ |
| 07:05.46 | erstazi | ok, now PuTTy /is/ a great ssh tool for windows |
| 07:05.59 | glizitch | right |
| 07:06.04 | glizitch | ive heard of it |
| 07:06.08 | erstazi | anyhow, you need to know your IP address for your device |
| 07:06.18 | glizitch | whats the address again |
| 07:06.18 | erstazi | then you can open putty (I don't have it in front ofmy eyes |
| 07:06.26 | glizitch | now that im on PC |
| 07:06.37 | erstazi | http://the.earth.li/~sgtatham/putty/latest/x86/putty.exe |
| 07:07.11 | erstazi | you have to input your ipaddress into putty then make sure its on ssh |
| 07:07.15 | glizitch | ok |
| 07:07.20 | erstazi | the ip address of your device that is |
| 07:07.28 | erstazi | then connect and it will ask you for your username |
| 07:07.31 | glizitch | how do i find ip addy of nokia ? |
| 07:07.35 | erstazi | I don't think you have becomeroot installed do you? |
| 07:07.40 | glizitch | no |
| 07:07.47 | erstazi | becomeroot? |
| 07:07.47 | _Monkey | rumour has it becomeroot is is easily obtained from [770/OS2006] http://eko.one.pl/maemo/dists/mistral/user/binary-armel/becomeroot_0.1-2_armel.deb or [770/OS2007HE and N800/OS2007] http://eko.one.pl/maemo/dists/bora/user/binary-armel/becomeroot_0.1-2_armel.deb or for a more long winded method http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_BecomeRoot |
| 07:08.02 | erstazi | the first one listed is what you want for your nokia |
| 07:08.04 | glizitch | do i need thaty ? |
| 07:08.26 | glizitch | i need becomeroot ? |
| 07:08.28 | glizitch | too |
| 07:08.31 | erstazi | not right now |
| 07:08.32 | erstazi | sorry |
| 07:08.33 | glizitch | ok |
| 07:08.34 | glizitch | cool |
| 07:08.39 | erstazi | its 03:08 here heh |
| 07:08.46 | glizitch | 2:08 here |
| 07:08.51 | glizitch | hehe |
| 07:09.20 | erstazi | ok I am assuming that you have your dns set up as 192.168.1.* where the * wildcard is the individual ip address of the machine |
| 07:09.22 | erstazi | am I right |
| 07:09.30 | erstazi | thats pretty much default |
| 07:09.42 | glizitch | right |
| 07:10.36 | erstazi | hold a sec |
| 07:11.53 | glizitch | 192.168.1.2 connection failed |
| 07:12.21 | erstazi | I think you need iphome |
| 07:12.52 | glizitch | hrrmm |
| 07:13.04 | erstazi | iphome? |
| 07:13.10 | glizitch | i dunno |
| 07:13.11 | erstazi | I didn't write that one to _monkey yet |
| 07:13.23 | erstazi | glizitch, that was a command to _Monkey, sorry |
| 07:13.30 | glizitch | ok |
| 07:13.41 | *** join/#maemo sp3000 (n=tt@hoasb-ff0ddd00-250.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 07:13.44 | *** part/#maemo Artemisprime (n=user@CPE-65-30-176-32.wi.res.rr.com) |
| 07:13.54 | glizitch | oops |
| 07:14.08 | erstazi | ignore this next input here |
| 07:14.11 | erstazi | xterm? |
| 07:14.11 | _Monkey | rumour has it xterm is the enhanced version of osso-xterm from maemo-hackers. It adds font and color selection support, URL opening through context menu, and a sidebar with additional keys such as Ctrl+letters. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/osso-xterm-advanced |
| 07:14.58 | glizitch | can i send u my sources.list |
| 07:15.06 | glizitch | then u can edit |
| 07:15.11 | glizitch | and send it back |
| 07:15.18 | glizitch | would that be easier |
| 07:15.34 | glizitch | ? |
| 07:16.30 | *** join/#maemo jacques (n=jacques@nslu2-linux/jacques) |
| 07:16.37 | erstazi | glizitch, if you can access your sources.list then you can take the one I have and edit it |
| 07:16.57 | erstazi | just copy and paste, it includes the default repos and the extra ones I found and others found helpful |
| 07:17.10 | erstazi | it would be redundant for you to send yours to me |
| 07:17.14 | glizitch | k |
| 07:17.29 | erstazi | glizitch, do you know about applets on your nokia's desktop? |
| 07:17.30 | *** part/#maemo Pierre (n=nnnnnnPi@o207.orange.fastwebserver.de) |
| 07:17.35 | glizitch | i think i can send it to myself |
| 07:17.42 | glizitch | on pidgin irc |
| 07:17.44 | glizitch | right |
| 07:17.46 | glizitch | or aim |
| 07:17.55 | erstazi | yeah |
| 07:17.58 | glizitch | what is path again |
| 07:18.06 | *** join/#maemo Piezzo (n=Jarno@dsl-olubrasgw1-fec6de00-154.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 07:18.14 | erstazi | website: http://c-wd.net/sources.list |
| 07:18.25 | erstazi | path to sources.list on nokia: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:18.43 | erstazi | a great applet that goes on your nokia's desktop: http://www.mulliner.org/nokia770/feed/maemo2/iphome_0.2-1_armel.deb |
| 07:18.43 | glizitch | k |
| 07:18.47 | erstazi | it tells your ip address |
| 07:18.58 | *** join/#maemo Pierre (n=nnnnnnPi@o207.orange.fastwebserver.de) |
| 07:18.58 | glizitch | ill get that next |
| 07:18.59 | erstazi | then you know what ip address to ssh to |
| 07:20.22 | *** join/#maemo Artemisprime (n=user@CPE-65-30-176-32.wi.res.rr.com) |
| 07:23.22 | glizitch | i cant |
| 07:23.29 | glizitch | send it to myself |
| 07:23.34 | glizitch | i cant see it |
| 07:24.01 | *** join/#maemo keesj (n=keesj@ip49-193-210-87.adsl2.versatel.nl) |
| 07:24.05 | keesj | Hi |
| 07:24.44 | kulve | your local IP address is also shown in connection manager |
| 07:25.04 | glizitch | kulve: where ? |
| 07:25.27 | glizitch | nm |
| 07:25.46 | glizitch | no ip addy shown |
| 07:25.49 | glizitch | on 770 |
| 07:25.56 | erstazi | glizitch, if you go to the top |
| 07:26.03 | erstazi | Connection Manager and tap that |
| 07:26.18 | erstazi | then go to internet connection > ip adress |
| 07:26.23 | glizitch | aha |
| 07:26.25 | erstazi | kulve, I knew it was there, I didn't see it right away |
| 07:26.26 | glizitch | nice |
| 07:26.29 | erstazi | forgot about the menu |
| 07:26.32 | glizitch | thanks |
| 07:26.46 | glizitch | ill try putty now |
| 07:26.59 | erstazi | thank you kulve |
| 07:27.35 | glizitch | damn |
| 07:27.41 | glizitch | connection still refused |
| 07:28.16 | glizitch | this sucks |
| 07:28.33 | erstazi | glizitch, did you get asked for a username? |
| 07:28.45 | glizitch | nope |
| 07:28.51 | glizitch | just refused |
| 07:28.52 | erstazi | you might need to reset your connection by dropping the connection and restarting the connection |
| 07:29.06 | erstazi | disconnect I mean |
| 07:29.11 | glizitch | on which device? |
| 07:29.12 | erstazi | then connecting again |
| 07:29.17 | erstazi | nokia |
| 07:29.33 | glizitch | k |
| 07:29.42 | *** part/#maemo Artemisprime (n=user@CPE-65-30-176-32.wi.res.rr.com) |
| 07:29.44 | erstazi | sometimes that happens |
| 07:30.08 | erstazi | glizitch, we missed an important step, you dont have openssh or dropbear installed huh? |
| 07:30.15 | glizitch | nope |
| 07:30.21 | erstazi | openssh? |
| 07:30.21 | _Monkey | hmmm... openssh is a FREE version of the SSH connectivity tools that technical users of the Internet rely on. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/openssh/ |
| 07:30.24 | kulve | to check if your ssh server is up'n'running on the device, try "ssh root@localhost" in xterm |
| 07:30.35 | erstazi | kulve, we missed that step of installing |
| 07:30.44 | glizitch | damn\ |
| 07:31.01 | erstazi | its late here so I am losing my mind |
| 07:31.03 | erstazi | sorry |
| 07:31.27 | kulve | iirc, dropbear can be installed in blue pill mode and openssh requires red pill mode |
| 07:31.37 | glizitch | hu ? |
| 07:32.00 | kulve | there are two ssh servers: dropbear and open ssh |
| 07:32.09 | erstazi | kulve, are you serious? |
| 07:32.14 | *** join/#maemo Artemisprime (n=user@CPE-65-30-176-32.wi.res.rr.com) |
| 07:32.18 | kulve | hmm.. about what? |
| 07:32.26 | erstazi | I didn't enable red pill mode and installed openssh |
| 07:32.27 | keesj | Go on monkey tell us about red pill! |
| 07:32.39 | erstazi | keesj, I didn't set that yet |
| 07:32.41 | kulve | erstazi: ok, then maybe the situation has changed now.. |
| 07:32.46 | erstazi | dropbear? |
| 07:32.47 | _Monkey | it has been said that dropbear is a small install |
| 07:32.47 | glizitch | so open ssh ? |
| 07:32.50 | glizitch | it is ? |
| 07:32.54 | glizitch | or dropbear |
| 07:32.55 | _Monkey | dropbear is probably a small install |
| 07:33.05 | erstazi | glizitch, lets do dropbear hold a sec |
| 07:33.05 | kulve | _Monkey: shut up |
| 07:33.05 | _Monkey | kulve: huh? |
| 07:33.14 | glizitch | dropbear? |
| 07:33.15 | _Monkey | somebody said dropbear was a small install |
| 07:33.46 | glizitch | hmmm |
| 07:33.53 | kulve | dropbear is a ssh server/client. A bit lighter that open ssh |
| 07:33.57 | erstazi | _Monkey: Dropbear is a relatively small SSH 2 server and client. http://matt.ucc.asn.au/dropbear/dropbear.html |
| 07:33.58 | _Monkey | ...but dropbear is a small install... |
| 07:34.16 | erstazi | _Monkey, forget dropbear |
| 07:34.17 | _Monkey | erstazi: I forgot dropbear |
| 07:34.18 | erstazi | _Monkey: Dropbear is a relatively small SSH 2 server and client. http://matt.ucc.asn.au/dropbear/dropbear.html |
| 07:34.18 | _Monkey | OK, erstazi. |
| 07:34.30 | glizitch | ok |
| 07:34.56 | kulve | _Monkey: what are you? |
| 07:34.57 | _Monkey | well, i am the best programmer in the whole freenode IRC right now |
| 07:35.05 | kulve | that's nice :) |
| 07:35.08 | erstazi | kulve, haha |
| 07:35.18 | *** join/#maemo koen (n=koen@212.41.157.237) |
| 07:35.38 | erstazi | kulve is the one that _monkey flings poo at |
| 07:35.52 | erstazi | kulve? |
| 07:35.53 | _Monkey | kulve is the one that _monkey flings poo at |
| 07:35.59 | erstazi | (: |
| 07:36.05 | kulve | .. |
| 07:36.30 | glizitch | what do i want to dl |
| 07:36.35 | glizitch | from this page ? |
| 07:37.12 | erstazi | crap |
| 07:37.26 | erstazi | glizitch, http://www.komputika.net/maemo/ |
| 07:37.30 | erstazi | then locate dropbear |
| 07:37.46 | glizitch | ok |
| 07:37.59 | erstazi | its the 3rd one down on http://www.komputika.net/maemo/ |
| 07:38.45 | *** join/#maemo sKaBoy (n=luogni@host57-218.pool8290.interbusiness.it) |
| 07:39.15 | erstazi | hi sKaBoy |
| 07:39.59 | erstazi | glizitch, and once you do install becomeroot, make sure you change your passwords: passwd user |
| 07:40.04 | erstazi | then: passwd root |
| 07:40.16 | glizitch | wait |
| 07:40.25 | glizitch | im installing dropbear |
| 07:40.29 | glizitch | not becomeroot |
| 07:40.37 | erstazi | once you do |
| 07:40.41 | erstazi | future tense |
| 07:40.46 | glizitch | ok |
| 07:40.53 | kulve | do you need becomeroot? Can't you just "ssh root@localhost".. |
| 07:41.07 | erstazi | kulve, yes but rootme is the default password for root |
| 07:41.11 | erstazi | and thats pretty given |
| 07:41.21 | erstazi | so even so, change your password |
| 07:41.29 | kulve | yeah, the passwd must be changed |
| 07:41.30 | glizitch | dropbear taking a while to install |
| 07:41.31 | erstazi | either through xterm or ssh |
| 07:41.33 | glizitch | weir |
| 07:41.33 | glizitch | d |
| 07:41.44 | kulve | glizitch: it's generating the keys. That takes time |
| 07:41.52 | glizitch | ok |
| 07:41.58 | glizitch | i just saw the small size |
| 07:42.21 | erstazi | I need to install UKMP sometime |
| 07:42.25 | erstazi | I keep forgetting |
| 07:42.40 | erstazi | kulve, do you port apps yourself? |
| 07:43.26 | kulve | erstazi: nope, not port. I've involved in kilikali and I made ogg-support for n800 (well, that's porting, I guess) |
| 07:43.40 | kulve | s,ve,m, |
| 07:44.04 | glizitch | its still installing |
| 07:44.13 | glizitch | is this hung up ? |
| 07:44.15 | glizitch | nm |
| 07:44.16 | glizitch | done |
| 07:44.17 | erstazi | glizitch, have a cup of coffee |
| 07:44.19 | erstazi | haha |
| 07:44.47 | kulve | glizitch: it takes more time if it doesn't get enough random numbers. It may help to browser net or something to make more randomness.. |
| 07:44.49 | erstazi | kulve, I am attempting to port pocketsphinx |
| 07:44.54 | glizitch | great |
| 07:45.04 | glizitch | now dropbear needs a repository |
| 07:45.20 | erstazi | glizitch, can you ssh to it? |
| 07:45.24 | keesj | erstazi: did you look at the mud package for that? I know they compile |
| 07:45.26 | kulve | erstazi: nice :) |
| 07:45.26 | glizitch | i dunno |
| 07:45.34 | kulve | (had to check what it is) |
| 07:45.35 | erstazi | keesj, yes |
| 07:45.36 | glizitch | i cant run dropbear |
| 07:45.47 | glizitch | not from the menu anyway |
| 07:45.54 | kulve | glizitch: it's command line "app" |
| 07:45.58 | kulve | i.e. "ssh" |
| 07:46.01 | melmoth | the only way i found to incirease entropy was to write stuff on the memory card with vi |
| 07:46.08 | kulve | the server shouldd be running after install |
| 07:46.18 | erstazi | glizitch, go to putty now |
| 07:46.20 | glizitch | i have xterm |
| 07:46.22 | erstazi | use the ip address |
| 07:46.43 | erstazi | make sure you are selected on ssh |
| 07:46.49 | erstazi | when the window pops up |
| 07:46.54 | glizitch | ok |
| 07:46.56 | erstazi | input root as the username |
| 07:47.01 | glizitch | login as? |
| 07:47.03 | glizitch | ok |
| 07:47.06 | erstazi | root |
| 07:47.06 | glizitch | then pass ? |
| 07:47.12 | erstazi | then password... it should be: rootme |
| 07:47.28 | glizitch | im in |
| 07:47.30 | erstazi | ok |
| 07:47.32 | glizitch | muhahaha\ |
| 07:47.35 | erstazi | oh god |
| 07:47.40 | erstazi | get your kevlars |
| 07:47.45 | glizitch | :) |
| 07:47.48 | erstazi | heh |
| 07:47.58 | erstazi | how copy and paste http://c-wd.net/sources.list |
| 07:47.58 | glizitch | i cant ls |
| 07:48.19 | glizitch | how ? |
| 07:48.29 | erstazi | do you have a browser on windows? |
| 07:48.34 | glizitch | of course |
| 07:48.40 | erstazi | view that URL in a browser |
| 07:48.43 | erstazi | copy and paste the text |
| 07:49.02 | glizitch | where to paste ? |
| 07:49.06 | glizitch | i cant ls |
| 07:49.09 | erstazi | ok now back to putty's window |
| 07:49.12 | glizitch | k |
| 07:49.13 | erstazi | cd /etc/apt/ |
| 07:49.19 | kulve | glizitch: ls should work just fine.. |
| 07:49.28 | erstazi | now ls |
| 07:49.34 | glizitch | cant cd to etc/apt |
| 07:49.39 | erstazi | what does it say? |
| 07:49.54 | glizitch | my mistake |
| 07:50.02 | glizitch | its fine |
| 07:50.02 | *** join/#maemo UKP (n=UK1@chiren.zippysoft.com) |
| 07:50.05 | erstazi | ok |
| 07:50.07 | glizitch | now |
| 07:50.09 | glizitch | i can ls |
| 07:50.14 | erstazi | now type this: vi sources.list |
| 07:50.36 | erstazi | now listen, in the sources.list I provide on my site, it has the defaults |
| 07:50.54 | glizitch | right |
| 07:50.57 | erstazi | so hit the letter I (eye) on the keyboard when vi loads sources.list |
| 07:51.00 | erstazi | that means insert |
| 07:51.14 | erstazi | shit |
| 07:51.17 | erstazi | lets be safe |
| 07:51.18 | kulve | erstazi: or just "cat > sources.list" ? |
| 07:51.19 | erstazi | just incase |
| 07:51.37 | erstazi | kulve, what timezone are you in? |
| 07:51.42 | kulve | gmt+3 |
| 07:51.51 | glizitch | hu ? |
| 07:51.52 | kulve | 10:51 < kulve> gmt+3 |
| 07:51.56 | glizitch | i see the file |
| 07:51.58 | erstazi | ok its 03:51 here |
| 07:52.01 | glizitch | but cant paste |
| 07:52.02 | kulve | erstazi: :) |
| 07:52.19 | erstazi | glizitch, ok, yes, did you hit the letter i? |
| 07:52.22 | erstazi | (eye) |
| 07:52.30 | glizitch | can i download sources.list |
| 07:52.36 | glizitch | and edit in text editor |
| 07:52.52 | erstazi | glizitch, yeah, hold a sec |
| 07:52.54 | glizitch | guess that wont help |
| 07:52.56 | kulve | erstazi: another suggestion: install winscp and use that to copy the sources.list? |
| 07:53.15 | erstazi | kulve, putty works also, I was going to give him scp |
| 07:53.21 | erstazi | scp should work in putty |
| 07:53.24 | erstazi | back and forth |
| 07:53.49 | erstazi | glizitch, in windows make a directory in C:\ called nokia or something |
| 07:53.56 | erstazi | C:\nokia\ |
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| 07:54.45 | glizitch | done |
| 07:54.49 | erstazi | glizitch, you need to know your ip address for windows, its on the taskbar by the clock |
| 07:55.01 | erstazi | you know the network icon |
| 07:55.19 | glizitch | not there |
| 07:55.35 | glizitch | u mean |
| 07:55.42 | glizitch | my local ip |
| 07:55.47 | glizitch | like 192 etc |
| 07:55.47 | erstazi | yes |
| 07:55.54 | glizitch | or my real ip ? |
| 07:55.59 | erstazi | your local ip |
| 07:56.05 | glizitch | i think i know it |
| 07:56.19 | erstazi | your Local Area Connection |
| 07:56.26 | glizitch | yes |
| 07:56.29 | glizitch | ok |
| 07:56.34 | erstazi | or you could go to start menu > run > cmd then type ipconfig |
| 07:56.37 | erstazi | and it will tell you |
| 07:56.49 | glizitch | yes |
| 07:56.52 | erstazi | now, I am on my last cig |
| 07:56.55 | erstazi | haha |
| 07:56.55 | glizitch | its what i thought it was |
| 07:57.06 | glizitch | i just quit |
| 07:57.09 | glizitch | it sucks |
| 07:57.12 | glizitch | hehe |
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| 07:57.17 | erstazi | chantix baby! |
| 07:57.28 | erstazi | I already quit once then started up about 3 years ago again |
| 07:57.28 | glizitch | ok\ |
| 07:57.30 | erstazi | big mistake |
| 07:57.36 | glizitch | yeah |
| 07:57.46 | erstazi | 2nd time is harder, so says doctor |
| 07:57.54 | glizitch | hmmm |
| 07:57.58 | glizitch | never quit b4 |
| 07:58.00 | glizitch | so |
| 07:58.03 | glizitch | guess so |
| 07:58.10 | glizitch | well |
| 07:58.16 | glizitch | i know my ip |
| 07:58.18 | erstazi | ok |
| 07:58.27 | erstazi | let me spit the command |
| 07:59.08 | erstazi | in putty |
| 07:59.09 | erstazi | scp sources.list WindowUserName@WindowIpAddres:C:\nokia\sources.list |
| 07:59.28 | erstazi | that sends it to windows |
| 07:59.40 | glizitch | ok |
| 07:59.56 | kulve | erstazi: assuming there's an ssh server on the windows.. |
| 08:00.08 | erstazi | kulve, oh duh |
| 08:00.17 | erstazi | see, I already have that set up on my windows box |
| 08:00.20 | erstazi | I am not thinking |
| 08:00.33 | kulve | just get winscp :) |
| 08:00.40 | erstazi | yeah just get winscp |
| 08:00.44 | glizitch | k |
| 08:00.46 | erstazi | and have a few beers haha |
| 08:01.07 | glizitch | i got it |
| 08:01.17 | erstazi | glizitch, once you have all this setup, its easy as a Tahiti hooker |
| 08:02.15 | glizitch | ok |
| 08:02.25 | erstazi | or thinking about it, you could have just connected your device to USB and transferred it to your mmc1 |
| 08:02.52 | glizitch | well |
| 08:02.58 | glizitch | i have winscp now |
| 08:03.16 | glizitch | host name |
| 08:03.17 | erstazi | and then unmounted and in your putty, cd /media/mmc1;mv /media/mmc1/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:03.21 | glizitch | etc... |
| 08:03.29 | glizitch | user name and password |
| 08:03.39 | glizitch | is that the nokia nfo ? |
| 08:03.50 | glizitch | ip address etc ? |
| 08:04.04 | erstazi | the host would be your windows box |
| 08:04.14 | glizitch | ip address ? |
| 08:04.15 | _Monkey | ip address is, like, a property of the wireless connection on the 770 isn't it |
| 08:04.29 | glizitch | of the windows box ? |
| 08:04.30 | konttori | Is Marius Vollmer around? |
| 08:05.14 | erstazi | konttori, what is his nick? |
| 08:05.25 | konttori | I have no idea |
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| 08:06.54 | AD-N770 | good morning |
| 08:07.11 | erstazi | morning AD-N770 |
| 08:07.21 | erstazi | glizitch, I am sorry, put your info for your 770 |
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| 08:07.31 | glizitch | hu ? |
| 08:07.42 | erstazi | glizitch, your nokia |
| 08:07.46 | glizitch | ip ? |
| 08:07.49 | erstazi | yes |
| 08:07.52 | erstazi | and username andpass |
| 08:08.31 | glizitch | can u see the query ? |
| 08:12.49 | AD-N770 | I prefer openssh |
| 08:13.29 | erstazi | AD-N770, so do I |
| 08:13.38 | erstazi | I never used dropbear |
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| 08:13.59 | AD-N770 | to add the repo to sources.list use just echo "repo" >> /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:14.09 | AD-N770 | and after red pill mode to install it |
| 08:14.35 | erstazi | AD-N770, I have a sources.list i am giving glizitch |
| 08:14.42 | erstazi | http://c-wd.net/sources.list |
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| 08:16.43 | AD-N770 | erstazi: it's big and most of them are useless, do you believe that's a good idea ? |
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| 08:17.12 | AD-N770 | I prefer add just the needed repositories, depending on the version that I'm running on the device |
| 08:17.42 | erstazi | AD-N770, the ones that are not working are commented out |
| 08:17.55 | erstazi | AD-N770, also, most of the ones I have listed are ones with apps most people require |
| 08:19.42 | AD-N770 | I've seen that are commented, probably I use less app on my devices |
| 08:20.32 | erstazi | AD-N770, I don't install of the apps, just most of the apps I have come from at least one of those repos |
| 08:21.18 | erstazi | nano? |
| 08:21.18 | _Monkey | i guess nano is a tiny text editor. Needs xterm/ssh. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/nano/ |
| 08:25.44 | florian | good morning |
| 08:26.04 | erstazi | morning florian |
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| 08:59.24 | pupnik | braaap |
| 08:59.50 | pupnik | tv is the mind killer - it is the little death |
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| 09:13.34 | pupnik | and fucking acmonitor is not gardiani.us |
| 09:15.04 | pupnik | acmonitor? |
| 09:15.05 | _Monkey | acmonitor is N800 version at http://planetmath.cc.vt.edu/~derf/local/dists/bora/user/binary-armel/acmonitor_0.1_armel.deb and N770 version at http://pupnik.de/acmonitor.html |
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| 09:52.14 | dazgard | hi here |
| 09:52.30 | dazgard | im searching for a dapp server for my n800, any idea please ? |
| 09:55.40 | dev | dazgard: there is daapd and mt-daapd, don't know if there are ports for the n800, as an alternative I can give you an UPnP server |
| 09:56.23 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 09:57.56 | dev | good morning |
| 10:01.02 | disq | morning |
| 10:01.03 | _Monkey | aloha |
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| 10:06.23 | dazgard | dev: that's cool |
| 10:06.41 | dazgard | where is the upnp server pelase ? |
| 10:08.15 | dev | dazgard: https://coherence.beebits.net |
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| 10:44.08 | mrflibble | can anyone tell me whether it is normal on a 770 (2006) with syslogd installed to find quite a few "JFFS2 notice: check_node_data: wrong data CRC in data node" errors in kern.log? |
| 10:44.55 | cosmo | mrflibble: not sure, but i get those also |
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| 10:47.14 | mrflibble | Cosmo: thanks. I know that linux devices often get filesystem errors that are completely harmless. |
| 10:47.29 | mrflibble | I take it that /var/lib/dsme/stats/32wd_to is a counter of the amount of times it's booted due to a lifeguard reset? My device is 2 days old and I'm on 238. |
| 10:47.54 | cosmo | or maybe it is a common hardware fault caused by broken flash or something.. dunno |
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| 11:15.52 | RobHu | Is there a way to get a digital clock always visible on screen? |
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| 11:29.56 | melmoth | Hi there RobHu |
| 11:30.10 | melmoth | i think i saw a clock as an apllet in the up task bar somewhere |
| 11:30.19 | melmoth | but i dont remember where :-( |
| 11:30.54 | trevarthan | :) This is cool: https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/changeset/327 |
| 11:31.00 | florian | melmoth: that's an extra package... nomis should know where the package is :-) |
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| 11:31.21 | melmoth | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/statusbar-clock/ |
| 11:31.44 | melmoth | searching for clock also gave https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemochron/ |
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| 11:33.54 | |tbb| | trevarthan: hey everything ok? what do u mean exactly with this iss cool? |
| 11:33.56 | florian | melmoth: ah, the first is what you want |
| 11:34.30 | trevarthan | |tbb|: I got rid of the OK button in Kagu. I've been wanting to do that for a looooooooooooooong time. :) |
| 11:34.57 | melmoth | i what robhu wants :) i m happy with my current clock setting |
| 11:35.31 | Jaffa | trevarthan: see that the newest mplayer build has PNG/JP support (for thumbnail generators) and ALFA output. |
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| 11:37.11 | trevarthan | Jaffa: Yeah, I instigated the ALSA support. |
| 11:37.13 | Jaffa | trevarthan: oh, there was a discussion yesterday about the kinetic scrolling and the jumping at the end. I believe a lot of people will say that the snapping is an integral item, but I'd agree that it looks messy when it snaps at the end. The solution is to do all the calculations before hand and tweak the acceleration curve so that the scroll will always stop on an item boundary. |
| 11:37.19 | Jaffa | trevarthan: thought you might have done. |
| 11:37.56 | trevarthan | Jaffa: that changeset I pasted does away with the OK button and snapping. |
| 11:38.05 | trevarthan | It's not necessary when there is no OK button. |
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| 11:38.17 | disq | true |
| 11:38.45 | trevarthan | I like the acceleration curve idea, but I don't think it's strictly necessary. |
| 11:38.58 | disq | when kagu-config comes around we could make it an option though, if not too hard. otoh making ui behavior customizable will require more QA with each release |
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| 11:44.49 | senuxis | hello |
| 11:44.55 | gla55_ | hello |
| 11:44.55 | _Monkey | niihau, gla55_ |
| 11:45.13 | senuxis | is there an unzipper for n800? |
| 11:46.26 | Jaffa | trevarthan: ISTR reading that the iPhone's scroll snapped and this was for "good reasons". But I dunno what they were. I suppose you could say something about muscle memory when items are the same size. But losing OK is excellent :) |
| 11:46.42 | Jaffa | How's unique311's theme coming? |
| 11:46.56 | trevarthan | haven't heard from him in a few days. |
| 11:47.14 | trevarthan | we're using the theme in SVN right now though. A version of it will be in the next release. |
| 11:48.56 | Jaffa | Cool. |
| 11:50.07 | trevarthan | make time, that's what I do. |
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| 11:50.19 | trevarthan | I say work on what interests you though. |
| 11:51.09 | trevarthan | The only real sin, IMO, is not working on what I enjoy because of other obligations. That's a shame. :) |
| 11:51.28 | trevarthan | Luckily I enjoy Kagu most of the time, so that's why I'm here. |
| 11:53.10 | trevarthan | yup, me too. Mrs Jaffa is hawt. :) |
| 11:53.37 | Jaffa | She is, it's true :) |
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| 12:03.44 | gla55_ | pix |
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| 12:19.08 | mrflibble | on IT2006 is it possible to disable lifeguard_reset without using the flasher? |
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| 12:31.17 | mrflibble | If bootreason is 32wd_to and lifeguard_resets has maemo_af_desktop as the cause, is the most likely candidate an installed applet on the home screen? |
| 12:31.29 | mrflibble | (770 IT2600) |
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| 12:45.36 | kulve | mrflibble: yes. Buggy home applets lead easily to reboots |
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| 12:56.18 | mrflibble | kulve: thanks |
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| 13:47.02 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:48.40 | pupnik | some intruiging modules |
| 13:48.57 | pupnik | under mnt/initfs |
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| 13:53.22 | pupnik | we should take maemo.org down to generate some traffic in channel |
| 13:54.25 | zaf | pupnik, is that why the faq is down? ;) |
| 13:54.48 | pupnik | hiya zof |
| 13:54.52 | pupnik | duno |
| 13:55.06 | pupnik | wiki works |
| 13:56.05 | eichi | why there are GPE aps on http://maemo.org/downloads/ ? can i use them on maemo? |
| 13:56.37 | pupnik | you are correct |
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| 13:58.53 | florian | eichi: Yes, looks good - Graham submitted these. |
| 13:59.08 | eichi | wow ^^ |
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| 14:19.29 | guardian_ | is something such as /var/log/messages on the device ? |
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| 14:33.27 | script | guardian: maybe dmesg is enough |
| 14:36.26 | guardian | checking |
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| 14:44.48 | geaaru | hi at all, there is a porting of libnotify for n800? |
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| 14:47.40 | guardian | hmm can't remember how to get my device ip |
| 14:47.46 | guardian | ifconfig on the device (xterm) does not work |
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| 14:48.50 | pupnik | ifconfig works here |
| 14:48.52 | VladDrac | it should |
| 14:48.58 | UKP | do /sbin/ifconfig |
| 14:49.01 | VladDrac | but then "does not work" is pretty vague |
| 14:49.14 | pupnik | he's probably not root |
| 14:49.22 | VladDrac | you don't need to be |
| 14:49.32 | sparrw | sbin isnt on user's path |
| 14:49.40 | pupnik | right |
| 14:49.42 | VladDrac | more likely yes |
| 14:49.47 | sparrw | "does not work" is "command not found" |
| 14:50.01 | guardian | well |
| 14:50.03 | guardian | it works with /sbin/ |
| 14:50.05 | erstazi | guardian, 770 or n800? |
| 14:50.21 | erstazi | guardian, /sbin/ifconfig works? |
| 14:50.21 | guardian | n800 |
| 14:50.26 | guardian | yeah /sbin/ifconfig works |
| 14:50.30 | erstazi | ok nm |
| 14:55.51 | guardian | i thought changing the bluetooth name of the device was enough to ping it by name |
| 14:55.55 | guardian | but it does not seem to be the case |
| 14:56.07 | pupnik | i need aalib for mplayer on 770 |
| 14:56.46 | guardian | and in fact, the device is registered in dhcp with a blank name :( |
| 14:58.38 | erstazi | pupnik, why do you duck? |
| 14:58.38 | pupnik | aalib is silly :) |
| 14:58.38 | gla55_ | quite silly |
| 14:58.53 | erstazi | pupnik, for ascii art? |
| 14:59.04 | gla55_ | i wonder which demoparty it was, that had aalib quake compo |
| 14:59.06 | pupnik | yeah i watched most of star wars IV in ascii |
| 14:59.17 | erstazi | haha |
| 14:59.20 | erstazi | are you serious |
| 14:59.23 | erstazi | thats great |
| 14:59.47 | pupnik | with a small fontsize.. it's fun |
| 15:00.03 | erstazi | heh |
| 15:01.55 | erstazi | haha |
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| 16:51.33 | zaf | hmm, says package is not compatible with current software |
| 16:51.37 | pupnik | http://thickerthanbloodthebook.com/research/770/ << this guy made an excellent little stand for the 770/800 (and some USB tips and tricks) |
| 16:52.03 | erstazi | pupnik, nice |
| 16:52.09 | erstazi | zaf, do you have the 770 or n800? |
| 16:52.13 | zaf | 770 |
| 16:52.16 | erstazi | thats odd |
| 16:52.42 | erstazi | zaf, oh shit wrong package |
| 16:52.45 | erstazi | that was for OS2007 |
| 16:52.52 | erstazi | let me grab the other one |
| 16:53.03 | pupnik | Fatal: not sure - but those links should be fixed |
| 16:53.48 | erstazi | I am sure someone has connection with that |
| 16:54.47 | erstazi | zaf, did you get becomeroot? |
| 16:54.55 | zaf | yah |
| 16:54.59 | erstazi | go to xterm and type: sudo gainroot |
| 16:55.10 | erstazi | tell me when you are done with that |
| 16:55.23 | erstazi | I just found out that its in the bloody repos |
| 16:55.33 | zaf | done |
| 16:55.41 | erstazi | apt-get install ssh |
| 16:55.49 | Fatal | frustrating, nowhere (where I've been able to find anyway) is it described the difference between armel and armel-minimal rootstrap (ofcourse, the armel minimal rootstrap is labeled i386 to add to confusion) :) |
| 16:56.27 | erstazi | Fatal, I always used armel rootstrap |
| 16:56.38 | erstazi | when scratchbox'ing |
| 16:57.36 | pupnik | oh very cool - /etc/osso-global-search/locations.conf specifies what directories get opened when you get a filebrowser dialog - now i can move it from $HOME/MyDocs to $HOME |
| 16:58.06 | pupnik | can also specify additional mountpoints for other partitions wooohoo |
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| 16:59.35 | erstazi | nice |
| 16:59.53 | pupnik | well it's not working for me yet - maybe i'll need to restart |
| 17:00.22 | erstazi | so if you change it to $HOME it will point the filebrowser right to ~/ instead of ~/MyDocs (which is annoying to type in xterm) |
| 17:00.36 | zaf | cool, sshd is running now |
| 17:00.53 | erstazi | one of the 100 reasons I use Linux primarily is because of different cases in directories and filenames |
| 17:01.05 | pupnik | yeah i was hoping for that |
| 17:01.26 | erstazi | zaf, you can find your ip address for you nokia by going to application menu (3rd icon on the left) then Tools then Connection manager |
| 17:01.35 | zaf | got it (just ran ifconfig) |
| 17:01.40 | erstazi | ah ok good |
| 17:01.47 | erstazi | zaf, I forgot that you had root (: |
| 17:02.16 | erstazi | zaf, do you like vi? or nano? |
| 17:02.21 | zaf | vi |
| 17:02.23 | zuh | ifconfig doesn't need root |
| 17:02.57 | erstazi | zuh, are you sure? I thought it needed root on OS2006 |
| 17:03.30 | zuh | It doesn't anywhere AFAIK. It just isn't in the users path by default. |
| 17:03.46 | zuh | but /sbin/ifconfig should work anyway |
| 17:04.07 | erstazi | zuh, /sbin/ifconfig will work, but not ifconfig in normal user |
| 17:04.38 | erstazi | zuh, thank you for mentioning that |
| 17:04.53 | erstazi | zaf, here is my sources.list: http://c-wd.net/sources.list |
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| 17:05.49 | zuh | Oh, and naturally if you want to *change* something with ifconfig, you'll need to be root |
| 17:05.58 | erstazi | zaf, the commented out ones are ones that need gpg keys or are none existing (some of these are hosted on home servers through no-ip.com or similar dynamic dns servers |
| 17:06.14 | erstazi | ) |
| 17:07.27 | zaf | so how can i ssh into the 770? |
| 17:07.47 | erstazi | zaf, do you have linux on a pc? or do you have windows? |
| 17:07.56 | erstazi | if you have windows, google for PuTTy, you can ssh that way |
| 17:08.08 | zaf | i mean what login credentials |
| 17:08.09 | erstazi | or use WinSCP which lets you connect to the filesystem |
| 17:08.12 | erstazi | oh sorry |
| 17:08.16 | zaf | sorry :) |
| 17:08.22 | erstazi | zaf, ssh user@your-ip-address |
| 17:08.26 | erstazi | or |
| 17:08.36 | erstazi | ssh root@your-ip-address |
| 17:08.57 | erstazi | I suggest to run passwd on both of your user and root |
| 17:09.00 | erstazi | after ssh'ing |
| 17:09.25 | zaf | what's the default pw? |
| 17:09.31 | erstazi | for root? rootme |
| 17:09.41 | erstazi | for user... I do not remember that one |
| 17:10.08 | tso | anyone using the "idea" launcher? it seems to not launch email correctly |
| 17:10.20 | erstazi | tso, I think I installed idea but never used it |
| 17:10.41 | erstazi | and since df says I have 76% used on / I am going to uninstall idea |
| 17:12.50 | tso | :P |
| 17:15.55 | zaf | hrm, when i ssh in, it just sits there after typing password |
| 17:16.56 | erstazi | zaf, hmm |
| 17:17.02 | zaf | rebooting |
| 17:17.02 | erstazi | what username did you use? |
| 17:17.07 | zaf | both root and user |
| 17:17.10 | erstazi | ah |
| 17:17.13 | erstazi | hmm |
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| 17:17.25 | erstazi | zaf, go on xterm and type sudo gainroot |
| 17:17.29 | zaf | k |
| 17:17.33 | omnix | how do I right click in rdesktop? |
| 17:17.34 | erstazi | then type: passwd user |
| 17:17.37 | erstazi | make a new password |
| 17:17.44 | zaf | did that, heh |
| 17:17.46 | erstazi | omnix, I don't know about that |
| 17:17.57 | disq | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=67036&postcount=17 funny |
| 17:18.00 | erstazi | zaf, hmmm, try it again on your pc |
| 17:19.17 | zaf | same thing, after typing password and pressing enter, i get a newline, but nothing else |
| 17:19.43 | erstazi | zaf, hmmm wait a bit? |
| 17:19.49 | erstazi | what OS is on your PC? |
| 17:19.57 | zaf | fedora 7 |
| 17:20.07 | erstazi | did you reset your connection to just verify that the tablet is connected to your wifi? |
| 17:20.13 | zaf | yeah |
| 17:20.15 | zaf | pings and all |
| 17:20.19 | erstazi | hmm |
| 17:20.22 | zaf | and if i ssh and type the wrong password, it re-prompts me |
| 17:21.51 | erstazi | zaf, read up on this http://maemo.org/community/oldwiki/howdoibecomeroot/ |
| 17:21.54 | erstazi | I would read that on your pc |
| 17:23.22 | erstazi | nevermind that site zaf |
| 17:23.30 | erstazi | its not what I was thinking it was |
| 17:24.00 | zaf | it's like ssh users aren't getting provided a login shell |
| 17:24.49 | erstazi | zaf, ssh user@ipaddress |
| 17:24.56 | erstazi | use the changed user password |
| 17:25.00 | erstazi | and then sudo gainroot |
| 17:25.10 | zaf | tried |
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| 17:25.13 | erstazi | hmm |
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| 17:26.14 | erstazi | zaf, sometimes I get this when my tablet goes to sleep and I just need to reset the connection |
| 17:26.22 | amr_ | can you use media convertor to convert dvds? |
| 17:26.25 | erstazi | but if that doesn't work for you, reinstall the package http://tinyurl.com/2m49yw |
| 17:26.31 | amr_ | oh it appears you can |
| 17:26.32 | amr_ | nevermind |
| 17:27.38 | senuxis | can and will there be tv-out for the n800 |
| 17:27.42 | senuxis | ? |
| 17:28.02 | erstazi | senuxis, I am not sure about that |
| 17:28.09 | erstazi | the ITT forums might have a discussion on that |
| 17:29.20 | senuxis | erstazi: what do you mean? |
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| 17:30.04 | erstazi | senuxis, http://www.internettablettalk.com/ |
| 17:30.15 | erstazi | _Monkey, ITT is http://www.internettablettalk.com/ |
| 17:30.15 | _Monkey | ...but itt is http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums... |
| 17:30.22 | erstazi | ITT? |
| 17:30.22 | _Monkey | ITT is http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums |
| 17:31.09 | zaf | erstazi, that one says incompatible package. should i remove the ssh that's installed now? |
| 17:31.17 | erstazi | zaf, hmm |
| 17:31.43 | erstazi | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/mistral/free/o/openssh/ssh_3.8p1-3osso4_armel.deb is incompatible? |
| 17:31.50 | erstazi | oh crap thats for maemo4 |
| 17:31.54 | erstazi | that link is wrong then |
| 17:31.58 | zaf | oh ok |
| 17:31.58 | senuxis | erstazi: i've already checked there & they're mostly pessemistic |
| 17:32.29 | zaf | k |
| 17:32.51 | erstazi | senuxis, pessimistic on the idea of a tv out? |
| 17:33.21 | erstazi | senuxis, that would require a lot to achieve that, I think you would be better off VNC'ing to your tablet from a pc or laptop |
| 17:34.43 | senuxis | erstazi: thread-starters are optimistic but thread-contributers dismiss it and say what you've told me |
| 17:35.39 | erstazi | senuxis, well, it is possible that is achievable, people connect usb hard drives and usb keyboards |
| 17:35.46 | erstazi | maybe a usb tv out?? with a ported driver? |
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| 17:36.07 | erstazi | fsmw, hello |
| 17:36.16 | fsmw | hi erstazi |
| 17:36.23 | erstazi | zaf, let me check this deb |
| 17:37.16 | zaf | should i try the one on maemo.org/downloads? |
| 17:37.41 | erstazi | zaf, yes, try dropbear and see how that flies, follow the instructions |
| 17:37.52 | erstazi | I never had anyone have trouble with openssh, thats why I suggest it |
| 17:37.58 | senuxis | erstazi: i'm thinking of too |
| 17:38.00 | erstazi | maybe busybox is not installed? |
| 17:38.08 | erstazi | I find that odd if it wasn't |
| 17:38.20 | zaf | busybox is there |
| 17:38.23 | senuxis | usb |
| 17:38.26 | erstazi | zaf, wait |
| 17:38.32 | erstazi | it gave you that prompt? |
| 17:38.43 | zaf | when i'm using xterm, it's busybox |
| 17:38.44 | erstazi | BusyBox v1.01 (Debian 3:1.01-4.osso12) Built-in shell (ash) |
| 17:38.44 | erstazi | Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands. |
| 17:38.51 | erstazi | zaf, when you ssh do you get that? |
| 17:38.55 | zaf | when i ssh, i get nothing |
| 17:38.59 | erstazi | odd |
| 17:39.06 | erstazi | thats beyond me |
| 17:39.10 | zaf | ]$ scp user@172.16.31.106:/home/user/ttt . |
| 17:39.10 | zaf | user@172.16.31.106's password: |
| 17:39.12 | erstazi | like I said, no one had a problem with it |
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| 17:39.17 | zaf | (then nothingness) |
| 17:39.21 | erstazi | zaf, and hitting enter does nothing? |
| 17:39.27 | erstazi | hi cbx33 |
| 17:39.27 | cbx33 | hey all setup my scratchbox environment, how do i get python gstreamer working? |
| 17:39.30 | zaf | just empty newlines |
| 17:39.44 | erstazi | cbx33, in scratchbox, did you add the armel rootstrap? |
| 17:39.48 | cbx33 | yes |
| 17:39.53 | erstazi | zaf, did you restart your nokia? |
| 17:40.01 | zaf | yup |
| 17:40.03 | erstazi | cbx33, did you install python |
| 17:40.09 | cbx33 | yes |
| 17:40.16 | erstazi | cbx33, I am sure you did haha sorry |
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| 17:40.32 | amr | ok does anyone know how to rip dvds with media convertor |
| 17:40.42 | erstazi | zaf, btw, that install worked for me |
| 17:40.52 | cbx33 | pygst isn't a module, neither is gst |
| 17:40.59 | cbx33 | but it is ont the n800 |
| 17:41.04 | cbx33 | even though it doesn't work right yet |
| 17:41.06 | erstazi | zaf, http://tinyurl.com/2m49yw |
| 17:41.27 | erstazi | cbx33, maybe your sources.list for scratchbox needs updated with more repos |
| 17:41.36 | cbx33 | hmmm |
| 17:41.50 | cbx33 | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ bora free non-free |
| 17:41.50 | cbx33 | deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ bora free |
| 17:41.50 | cbx33 | deb file:/home/pete/maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries_3.1 bora explicit |
| 17:41.53 | cbx33 | is what I have |
| 17:42.21 | zaf | erstazi, asks to update, then says incompatible |
| 17:42.22 | erstazi | cbx33, I have an sources.list but its for OS2006 ): |
| 17:42.29 | erstazi | zaf, yeah I udpated mine and it worked |
| 17:42.30 | zaf | erstazi, should i remove the existing ssh package? |
| 17:42.33 | erstazi | no |
| 17:42.37 | erstazi | I had an existing one |
| 17:42.46 | erstazi | zaf, maybe you need to be in red-pill mode |
| 17:43.00 | zaf | how's that? |
| 17:43.04 | amr | anyone at all know? |
| 17:43.21 | erstazi | zaf, go to application manager, then select the menu at the top and go to tools > applications catalog > new and type "matrix" in the web address without quotes and hit cancel |
| 17:43.37 | erstazi | amr, I don't rip dvd's with media convertor |
| 17:43.59 | erstazi | amr, did you read the manual on media convertor's docs? |
| 17:44.03 | erstazi | or site I mean |
| 17:44.16 | erstazi | I would help you on it but I do not know enough about media convertor to help |
| 17:44.38 | amr | my bad i didnt read the docs no |
| 17:44.40 | erstazi | cbx33, I suggest looking on ITT for a sources.list that is adequate for the OS2007 |
| 17:44.43 | amr | duh |
| 17:44.51 | erstazi | ITT? |
| 17:44.51 | _Monkey | ITT is http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums |
| 17:45.05 | cbx33 | thanks erstazi |
| 17:45.13 | cbx33 | anyone know if there is any progress on bug 1204? |
| 17:45.14 | _Monkey | Bug 1204 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1204 |
| 17:45.17 | erstazi | I think I might have to buy a n800 for bug and porting testing and to help the n800 users haha |
| 17:45.28 | amr | does it have a site erstazi, besides the garage page |
| 17:45.38 | erstazi | amr, the garage page should list a homepage |
| 17:46.09 | erstazi | cbx33, _Monkey is a nice bot,... here is a banana! |
| 17:47.16 | zaf | erstazi, making progress now that i'm in red pill mode |
| 17:47.18 | zaf | updating |
| 17:47.40 | amr | hmm i dont see any docs about dvds |
| 17:49.02 | erstazi | ok, time to run to the bank |
| 17:49.16 | erstazi | then drop kids off... buy liquor from the kids driving me nuts |
| 17:49.19 | erstazi | haah |
| 17:49.30 | erstazi | s/liquor from/liquor because |
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| 17:53.30 | cbx33 | [sbox-SDK_ARMEL: ~] > python gst2_001.py |
| 17:53.30 | cbx33 | Traceback (most recent call last): |
| 17:53.30 | cbx33 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:53.30 | cbx33 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:53.30 | cbx33 | ImportError: No module named pygst |
| 17:53.31 | cbx33 | [sbox-SDK_ARMEL: ~] > ls /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/ |
| 17:53.33 | cbx33 | README gtk-2.0 pygst.py pygst.pyo pygtk.pyo |
| 17:53.35 | cbx33 | gst-0.10 pygst.pth pygst.pyc pygtk.pth |
| 17:53.37 | cbx33 | [sbox-SDK_ARMEL: ~] > |
| 17:53.39 | cbx33 | whoops sorry |
| 17:53.41 | cbx33 | was meant to be in a pastebin |
| 17:53.48 | cbx33 | how come it can't see that module |
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| 17:54.49 | zuh | what does python --version say? |
| 17:55.08 | cbx33 | it seems it's still using python 2.3 |
| 17:55.38 | zuh | That's probably the sbox internal version |
| 17:55.42 | cbx33 | yeh |
| 17:55.44 | cbx33 | crap |
| 17:56.02 | zuh | so use python2.5 directly |
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| 17:57.06 | zaf | hmm, the same thing seems to happen when i ssh FROM the 770 |
| 18:03.35 | tso | hmm, it seems the latest gpe releases are not showing up on app manager yet |
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| 18:12.14 | pauliukas | aw |
| 18:12.17 | pauliukas | So what did I miss? |
| 18:13.26 | pupnik | wb unique311 |
| 18:13.37 | pupnik | i miss the right to trial by jury and habeus corpus |
| 18:14.33 | unique311 | what up |
| 18:15.58 | unique311 | starling crashes. |
| 18:17.01 | unique311 | nice music player....i like the music sheet feature |
| 18:17.05 | unique311 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:17.07 | unique311 | fix it |
| 18:20.49 | pauliukas | So how can I get OpenSSH installed? |
| 18:22.31 | unique311 | application manager |
| 18:22.32 | _Monkey | rumour has it application manager is a lot safer than alternatives |
| 18:23.17 | pupnik | pauliukas: you have the repository afaik, so apt-get install ssh should work |
| 18:23.33 | unique311 | or application manager.. |
| 18:23.34 | _Monkey | application manager is a lot safer than alternatives |
| 18:23.36 | pauliukas | okay. |
| 18:23.38 | unique311 | i got it listed here |
| 18:23.40 | pauliukas | not openssh? |
| 18:23.56 | pupnik | the openssh in the mistral repository is called simply 'ssh' |
| 18:24.02 | pupnik | they should have named it openssh IMO |
| 18:24.12 | pupnik | Nokia770-49:~# apt-cache search ssh |
| 18:24.12 | pupnik | ssh - Secure rlogin/rsh/rcp replacement (OpenSSH) |
| 18:24.28 | pauliukas | excellent. |
| 18:24.33 | pauliukas | But does that include the server? |
| 18:24.39 | pupnik | afaik yes |
| 18:24.46 | pupnik | i currently use dropbear |
| 18:24.52 | pupnik | dropbear-client - lightweight SSH2 client |
| 18:24.52 | pupnik | dropbear-server - lightweight SSH2 server |
| 18:25.10 | unique311 | koen, whats the status of anstrom on the device, any good news...i would like to try it out on a extra mmc i have |
| 18:26.36 | colinl | pupnik: do you also face a dead dropbear server from time to time? |
| 18:27.34 | pupnik | no, but dropbear is missing some features |
| 18:27.37 | pauliukas | Well, because erstazi recommended me OpenSSH. |
| 18:28.01 | pupnik | openssh has more features and takes up more space |
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| 18:28.50 | koen | unique311: haven't tried it yet, ask ljp for details |
| 18:29.30 | pauliukas | woah,... |
| 18:29.34 | pauliukas | my browser stopped working. |
| 18:29.41 | pauliukas | It just doesn't want to load anymore. |
| 18:30.09 | forcev | is there an easy way to factory reset my n800? |
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| 18:31.13 | Enok | forcev flash it |
| 18:32.08 | pauliukas | uhhh guys... what should I do. |
| 18:32.15 | pauliukas | The browser refuses to start. |
| 18:32.42 | forcev | Enok: i was kinda hoping i could do that |
| 18:32.44 | forcev | thanks |
| 18:33.26 | X-Fade | pauliukas: Did you do something special to get that effect? :) |
| 18:33.34 | pauliukas | no... |
| 18:33.41 | pauliukas | only installed xterm and the getroom |
| 18:33.44 | pauliukas | *getroot |
| 18:33.48 | pauliukas | And it worked after these. |
| 18:33.52 | pauliukas | It jus stoppd right now. |
| 18:34.44 | X-Fade | pauliukas: did you try to reboot? |
| 18:34.53 | pauliukas | yeah |
| 18:35.38 | X-Fade | N800? |
| 18:35.38 | _Monkey | i guess N800 is much better than a desk phone :-) |
| 18:35.49 | pauliukas | 770 |
| 18:36.18 | X-Fade | does xterm work? |
| 18:37.03 | pauliukas | yes. |
| 18:37.05 | pauliukas | Okay... weird... |
| 18:37.10 | pauliukas | I put it in battery mode. |
| 18:37.18 | pauliukas | And when I started, it even showed me a progress bar. |
| 18:37.23 | pauliukas | Anyways, now it works. |
| 18:38.06 | erstazi | pupnik, I cannot imagine there is a *huge* difference |
| 18:38.32 | erstazi | pupnik, difference between dropbear and openssh in size that is |
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| 18:40.11 | unique311 | pupnik, here is the paint program.... |
| 18:40.28 | unique311 | better suited for the n800 or 770 |
| 18:40.32 | unique311 | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rgbpaint/0.8.7-0ubuntu1 |
| 18:40.53 | unique311 | compile straight thru with no problem. |
| 18:41.29 | unique311 | disq, not sure how many projects you working on...but you had a hand in maemopad+ |
| 18:41.48 | unique311 | can you take a look at rgbpaint source... |
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| 18:42.21 | unique311 | its pretty much hildon'd on compile. |
| 18:42.33 | pupnik | It is a fork of mtPaint. |
| 18:42.37 | unique311 | yes.. |
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| 18:42.41 | unique311 | but lighter |
| 18:42.47 | unique311 | much lighter |
| 18:43.11 | pupnik | mtpaint was 640kb |
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| 18:43.43 | unique311 | rgb is 80 i think |
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| 18:44.05 | unique311 | 88 |
| 18:44.31 | unique311 | http://mtpaint.sourceforge.net/rgbpaint.html |
| 18:44.34 | unique311 | screenshots.. |
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| 18:44.50 | erstazi | they got a paint app down to 88kb? |
| 18:44.52 | erstazi | thats not bad at all |
| 18:45.07 | pupnik | just compiled it |
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| 18:45.54 | erstazi | I will have to compile it myself |
| 18:46.15 | pupnik | 106k here |
| 18:46.27 | unique311 | it will compile with no errors. |
| 18:46.51 | erstazi | unique311, you say it works with hildon decently? |
| 18:48.12 | pupnik | i think i'm missing a config - lots of blank boxes in lower left |
| 18:48.18 | unique311 | it compiled and the gui is hildoned somewhat |
| 18:48.23 | unique311 | yes |
| 18:48.24 | erstazi | hmm |
| 18:48.30 | unique311 | pupnik i know.. |
| 18:48.36 | unique311 | i couldn't figure that out |
| 18:48.45 | unique311 | but when you run it as root the colors show |
| 18:48.56 | unique311 | in the blank boxes |
| 18:49.06 | unique311 | i guess it is a config issue |
| 18:49.30 | pupnik | confirmed that - running as root i get colors - and a totally different look |
| 18:49.42 | erstazi | ah |
| 18:49.50 | erstazi | maybe chown? |
| 18:49.57 | pupnik | running as user the rgbPaint icons were themed with my hildon theme colors - (how?! amazing!) |
| 18:50.11 | unique311 | first bug |
| 18:50.53 | unique311 | hopefully disq will take a look at it.. |
| 18:51.11 | unique311 | his nick is all over maemopad+ |
| 18:51.13 | unique311 | i think |
| 18:51.14 | erstazi | unique311, did you post it? |
| 18:51.14 | pupnik | when the mtpaint maintainer implements a decent airbrush i'll get interested |
| 18:51.49 | unique311 | i doubt the maintainer will. |
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| 18:52.00 | unique311 | its meant to be a very light version of mtpaint. |
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| 18:52.47 | pupnik | i need additive airbrushing for my style of painting |
| 18:53.09 | erstazi | pupnik, Picasso? |
| 18:53.38 | erstazi | heh |
| 18:53.53 | pupnik | dunno - gimp does it |
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| 18:54.23 | erstazi | pupnik, ah |
| 18:54.47 | unique311 | mtpaint does airbrush. |
| 18:55.23 | unique311 | thats another descent running app on the N800 |
| 18:55.24 | unique311 | did you get it working on the 770? |
| 18:55.37 | pupnik | yes |
| 18:55.47 | erstazi | I would run scratchbox and compile and install it but I am working |
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| 18:57.48 | pupnik | no crashes yet in rgbpaint - trying larger images now 1000x1000+ |
| 18:59.38 | pupnik | boom crash |
| 19:00.39 | pupnik | unique311: try making a 1000x1000+ image, doing a bucket-fill with black, and then sketching into the window |
| 19:00.56 | unique311 | k |
| 19:01.12 | pupnik | same problems i had with mtpaint |
| 19:02.28 | unique311 | no crash here |
| 19:02.39 | unique311 | going bigger |
| 19:02.45 | erstazi | unique311, you must have a horse in that, n800 |
| 19:02.45 | erstazi | haha |
| 19:03.49 | unique311 | still going |
| 19:03.52 | unique311 | no crash |
| 19:03.57 | unique311 | 1600x1400 |
| 19:04.08 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:05.22 | unique311 | 2100x2100 |
| 19:05.25 | unique311 | still going |
| 19:06.25 | unique311 | k, crashed on 5000x5000 |
| 19:06.26 | unique311 | lol |
| 19:08.27 | pupnik | i bet some people would like to be able to process/resize/filter their digicam images on an n800 |
| 19:08.59 | erstazi | 2megapixel isn't over 1000x1000 I think |
| 19:08.59 | pupnik | crop, rotate, resize, adjust curves |
| 19:09.04 | erstazi | oh wait |
| 19:09.07 | pupnik | :) |
| 19:09.15 | cbx33 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:09.15 | cbx33 | NameError: global name '_gtk' is not defined |
| 19:09.24 | cbx33 | hmmm after using 2.5 directly as suggested |
| 19:09.33 | erstazi | last time I checked, 2mp is at 1024x768 |
| 19:09.52 | pupnik | megapixel = million pixel = 1000x1000 |
| 19:10.13 | unique311 | guessing if you going over 2000x2000 you should be using somethink like gimp or photoshop. |
| 19:10.32 | unique311 | not even 800x600 |
| 19:11.07 | unique311 | if you feel you need to go any bigger on the the size, then use gimp or PS |
| 19:11.13 | zaf | erstazi, good news, my ssh problems are due to the wifi router here |
| 19:11.19 | erstazi | ah |
| 19:11.21 | erstazi | I wondered |
| 19:11.36 | zaf | brought it home and it worked fine |
| 19:11.40 | erstazi | zaf, I thought I was losing my mind and having a moment like I did at 0400 (: |
| 19:11.48 | zaf | heh |
| 19:11.52 | unique311 | going to try out some more drawing programs i just stumbled upon |
| 19:11.53 | pupnik | a lot of cameras are 4-8 mp, so if you want to process those you need over 2k by 2k |
| 19:11.57 | erstazi | zaf, NAT router? |
| 19:12.10 | erstazi | pupnik, oh, I was talking about the onboard camera |
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| 19:12.29 | cbx33 | zuh, ping? |
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| 19:12.59 | zaf | erstazi, actually it's a sonicpoint. you may not have heard of before |
| 19:13.19 | erstazi | ok |
| 19:13.25 | pupnik | for e.g. you're on vacation with your camera and n800 - drop in the SD, crop/reduce your pics and upload them |
| 19:13.27 | erstazi | sonicpoint... like the makers of sonic wall? |
| 19:13.36 | erstazi | true pupnik |
| 19:13.52 | zaf | erstazi, yah |
| 19:13.54 | erstazi | I forget the n800 has "different" features (: |
| 19:14.02 | zaf | sonicpoint is their managed access points |
| 19:14.04 | pupnik | yeah the 2SD slots are nice |
| 19:14.05 | cbx33 | if the card slots stop corrupting my cards |
| 19:14.07 | zaf | they're set up kinda weird |
| 19:14.14 | cbx33 | if they worked right |
| 19:14.19 | cbx33 | they are awesome |
| 19:14.28 | erstazi | zaf, we used sonic walls where I interned |
| 19:15.17 | erstazi | the previous guy use to turn off the sonic wall, and he forgot to delete the logs |
| 19:15.22 | erstazi | or modify them |
| 19:15.49 | cbx33 | seriously though |
| 19:16.06 | cbx33 | anyone here got some advice on how to make sure that your sd card doesn't corrupt? |
| 19:16.13 | pauliukas | Now, how do I make this thing standbye? |
| 19:16.16 | cbx33 | or certain brands that work well? |
| 19:16.33 | zaf | cbx33, what do u mean? |
| 19:16.47 | cbx33 | well |
| 19:16.58 | cbx33 | i'm constantly hit by bug 1204 |
| 19:16.58 | _Monkey | Bug 1204 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1204 |
| 19:17.05 | cbx33 | on my 1Gb card |
| 19:17.15 | cbx33 | which makes my n800 a lot less useful |
| 19:17.33 | zaf | what if u run "sync" ? |
| 19:17.41 | zaf | periodically |
| 19:17.51 | cbx33 | havn't tried |
| 19:17.52 | cbx33 | but |
| 19:18.01 | zaf | dunno if it's on the systems either |
| 19:18.04 | cbx33 | dont think it'll make a difference |
| 19:18.06 | cbx33 | it sucks |
| 19:18.21 | cbx33 | there must be something common in the cards that's making it do it |
| 19:18.23 | cbx33 | for example |
| 19:18.24 | _Monkey | i think for example is 0x00 a valid value for a Java bytecode? |
| 19:18.31 | zaf | maybe not enough power for them or something? |
| 19:18.33 | amr | does anyone know if there is a sega emulator? |
| 19:18.38 | cbx33 | I have a card that works fine......in linux |
| 19:18.41 | cbx33 | on my pc |
| 19:18.43 | zuh | cbx33: hmm? |
| 19:18.47 | cbx33 | but if I try and use ot on my n800 |
| 19:18.51 | cbx33 | half the files are missing |
| 19:19.03 | erstazi | cbx33, what format is the sd card? |
| 19:19.04 | cbx33 | and some directoriies are showing up as unknown files |
| 19:19.09 | zuh | cbx33: Is that only on the external slot? |
| 19:19.14 | cbx33 | nope both |
| 19:19.24 | zuh | ok |
| 19:19.26 | cbx33 | normally a diferent type of corruption |
| 19:19.36 | cbx33 | erstazi, format as in? how is it formatted? |
| 19:19.39 | cbx33 | Vfat |
| 19:20.16 | erstazi | yes |
| 19:20.17 | erstazi | sorry |
| 19:20.20 | cbx33 | and running a fsck on it yields the following |
| 19:20.37 | cbx33 | http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=353 |
| 19:20.38 | erstazi | svn'ing/vnc'ing/ssh'ing so I am wacko right now over a contract |
| 19:20.47 | cbx33 | hehe |
| 19:20.54 | erstazi | I need to put a loo in this room |
| 19:21.12 | cbx33 | something about expecting something but got something instead at 16384 |
| 19:21.14 | zuh | I took the Philip's kernel and just yesterday copied ~2Gigs of videos to the internal slot without problems... |
| 19:21.25 | cbx33 | philips kernel? |
| 19:21.36 | zuh | http://intr.overt.org/blog/?p=54 |
| 19:21.46 | zuh | That one isn't slowed down |
| 19:21.47 | erstazi | cbx33, let me check that out |
| 19:21.52 | zuh | Like the stock kernel is |
| 19:22.10 | cbx33 | hmmm |
| 19:22.10 | zuh | "stock" as in the one in the firmware image |
| 19:22.15 | cbx33 | well i don't know what's doing it |
| 19:22.19 | cbx33 | but it's very annoying |
| 19:22.24 | cbx33 | fsck on linux shows no problmes |
| 19:22.37 | cbx33 | last time i used it it b0rked the partition table on the internal slot |
| 19:22.46 | cbx33 | and i had to physically recreate from scratch |
| 19:22.49 | erstazi | cbx33, I hope you don't go sleep walking at night and end up going to a tattoo parlor and get bug 1204 tattooed haha |
| 19:22.50 | _Monkey | Bug 1204 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1204 |
| 19:22.52 | cbx33 | the internal format NEVE Rworks on that card |
| 19:23.00 | cbx33 | erstazi, hehehe |
| 19:23.07 | cbx33 | no i don't sleep walk |
| 19:23.14 | cbx33 | just fall asleep when i'm not supposed to |
| 19:23.15 | cbx33 | ;) |
| 19:23.21 | zuh | If you could try that kernel and see if it makes any difference, that'd be a valuable data point for the bug... |
| 19:23.28 | cbx33 | yeh? |
| 19:23.41 | cbx33 | how hard is it to change the kernel on the n800? |
| 19:23.56 | zuh | ./flasher -f -k sdhc_kernel |
| 19:24.01 | zuh | not that hard |
| 19:24.13 | erstazi | cbx33, that might be your option there, I would try recreating it but I don't have a n800 or your flash card (: |
| 19:24.20 | cbx33 | heheh |
| 19:24.30 | cbx33 | hmm |
| 19:24.36 | cbx33 | sdhc_kernel? |
| 19:24.40 | cbx33 | http://intr.overt.org/4.2007.26-mmc-kernel/ |
| 19:24.46 | zuh | And restoring it is just as easy, from the image: flasher -f -F firmware.bin --flash-only kernel |
| 19:25.04 | zuh | well, that one from there, yes :) |
| 19:25.08 | cbx33 | ok |
| 19:25.15 | cbx33 | so mmc_blah blahb |
| 19:25.18 | zuh | Yeah |
| 19:25.20 | cbx33 | insteaed of sdhc |
| 19:25.25 | cbx33 | what happens if it b0rks |
| 19:25.35 | cbx33 | that doesn't kill the ability to reflash does it? |
| 19:25.40 | zuh | Nope |
| 19:25.46 | cbx33 | awesome |
| 19:25.47 | cbx33 | I like |
| 19:26.13 | cbx33 | I'll give that a try later |
| 19:26.22 | cbx33 | i just hope it doesn't kill my n800 |
| 19:26.24 | cbx33 | ;) |
| 19:26.47 | erstazi | haha |
| 19:27.03 | erstazi | cbx33, you can always reflash to default, so it won't officially kill it |
| 19:27.17 | erstazi | cbx33, and last I knew, the flasher with ubuntu works efficiently |
| 19:27.51 | cbx33 | yeh yeh |
| 19:27.59 | cbx33 | just worried about the kernel damaging the hardware |
| 19:28.03 | erstazi | ah |
| 19:28.09 | cbx33 | I had to pay for my little n800 unlike a lot of people.... |
| 19:28.13 | cbx33 | not saying you guys didn't :p |
| 19:28.21 | cbx33 | but i know a few people who got one free |
| 19:28.23 | erstazi | cbx33, I had to pay for my 770 |
| 19:28.28 | erstazi | cbx33, I know a few |
| 19:28.36 | erstazi | some had their companies pay for a theirs |
| 19:28.46 | erstazi | zuh, haha... amazon.com? |
| 19:28.56 | erstazi | amazon is running some great deals on the n800 |
| 19:29.04 | zuh | Nope, the developer program when N800 was published |
| 19:29.06 | erstazi | $330 makes me tempted to buy one |
| 19:29.09 | erstazi | ah |
| 19:29.14 | zuh | Got mine for 99€ or so |
| 19:29.34 | erstazi | 200USD |
| 19:29.35 | erstazi | not bad |
| 19:29.42 | cbx33 | wow |
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| 19:29.46 | cbx33 | $400 for mine |
| 19:29.47 | cbx33 | :( |
| 19:29.51 | erstazi | you paid 70USD more than I did for 770! |
| 19:30.06 | cbx33 | hehehe |
| 19:30.12 | erstazi | or 34 guid |
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| 19:30.24 | erstazi | s/guid/quid |
| 19:30.25 | erstazi | ugh |
| 19:30.30 | erstazi | sleep is so worth it |
| 19:30.44 | cbx33 | hehe |
| 19:30.53 | cbx33 | well at least i got a bit of hope |
| 19:30.57 | cbx33 | gonna try that kernel |
| 19:31.23 | zuh | Honestly, if I hadn't got the discount, I definetly wouldn't have a N800. My policy is to avoid any consumer electronics that are >100€ |
| 19:32.06 | erstazi | zuh, agreed |
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| 19:32.32 | erstazi | on ebay, the 770 kept passing the 160USD mark when I knew buy.com was running a great deal |
| 19:32.37 | erstazi | zuh, do you still have your 770? |
| 19:32.42 | zuh | I never had one |
| 19:33.06 | erstazi | zuh, oh you just used scratchbox when you developed? |
| 19:33.15 | erstazi | or vmware image? |
| 19:33.27 | zuh | SB, and I got to play around with those at work |
| 19:33.33 | erstazi | ah |
| 19:33.41 | erstazi | got ya |
| 19:34.02 | erstazi | a lot of companies are picking up these tablets, very versatile |
| 19:34.17 | erstazi | never knew that the ARM architecture is so efficient |
| 19:37.41 | zuh | cbx33: Btw, I never had problems with the previous (non-official) sdhc kernel and I didn't want to burn my 4Gig card just to test the official one so me having no problems with the newer non-official kernel isn't really telling anything... |
| 19:38.59 | zaf | so what mail client is everyone using mostly? |
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| 19:40.08 | cosmo | claws |
| 19:40.15 | melmoth | claws too |
| 19:40.16 | erstazi | claws is a popular one |
| 19:40.37 | cosmo | and only good one |
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| 19:44.48 | Okko_ | http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/cellphones/nokias-n800-tablet-confirmed-as-first-sprint-wimax-device-287915.php |
| 19:45.01 | Okko_ | New version or is wimax supported in all N800's? |
| 19:45.22 | tso | im guessing new version |
| 19:45.32 | tso | custom for sprint and only sold by sprint... |
| 19:45.50 | cbx33 | there test will be if it can just read the card ok |
| 19:45.50 | cbx33 | i know the card is ok |
| 19:45.50 | cbx33 | and the data on it |
| 19:45.50 | cbx33 | we'll see if the n800 knows that |
| 19:45.53 | cbx33 | and whether it can format it |
| 19:45.55 | cbx33 | last time i tried it just said the card was corrupt |
| 19:45.57 | cbx33 | I put it in a pc and it still had all the data on it |
| 19:45.58 | tso | heh, just had the 770 "crash" on me... |
| 19:46.14 | erstazi | tso, heh what was the error/bug? |
| 19:46.23 | tso | nothing, it just rebooted |
| 19:47.01 | cbx33 | that kernel is for the latest n800 image right? |
| 19:47.07 | cbx33 | zuh, ? |
| 19:47.07 | _Monkey | rumour has it zuh, is it working |
| 19:47.11 | cbx33 | zuh, my n800 was a present to myself after getting paid for writing the edubuntu chapter in the official ubuntu book ;) |
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| 19:47.56 | erstazi | cbx33, nice |
| 19:48.12 | erstazi | cbx33, I am an ubuntu and edubuntu user so I appreciate that |
| 19:48.16 | cbx33 | cool |
| 19:48.17 | erstazi | I have it for the kids on a box |
| 19:48.22 | cbx33 | ahhh cool |
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| 19:54.00 | syntux | Good evening. |
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| 19:59.30 | zuh | cbx33: Yes, it's for the latest firmware |
| 20:00.12 | cbx33 | ok cool |
| 20:00.15 | cbx33 | just about to flash it |
| 20:01.22 | Fatal | is there an unbroken version of the maemo 2.2 tutorial? the one on maemo.org got broken links and missing examples, commands etc :/ |
| 20:04.06 | Fatal | damn, disheartening, all related bugreports only have had reassignement actions for the last 6 months |
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| 20:04.32 | Fatal | can someone at nokia please send me an n800 instead so I can enjoy working manuals? :) |
| 20:04.39 | Fatal | s/manuals/tutorials/ |
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| 20:06.02 | syntux | I'm building development appliance that works with vmware; and I'd like to consult you of what to put it in before uploading and sharing it with Maemo folks. |
| 20:06.36 | Fatal | damnit, this is frustrating, someone knows of a tutorial that explains what needs to be done to setup scratchbox and the rootstraps? |
| 20:06.57 | Fatal | (for 770/maemo 2.2) |
| 20:07.13 | syntux | Fatal, http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/3.1/INSTALL.txt |
| 20:07.16 | syntux | ah |
| 20:07.29 | syntux | but not sure if that one would work with 770/2.2 |
| 20:07.34 | Fatal | doubtful |
| 20:07.46 | syntux | Fatal, however, there is a link in that file to older installation tutorials. |
| 20:07.58 | Fatal | to maemo.org? those are broken |
| 20:08.03 | Fatal | but looking |
| 20:08.09 | syntux | Fatal, in this one http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/3.1/INSTALL.txt |
| 20:08.27 | syntux | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:08.51 | Fatal | that does not explain how to set things up with maemo |
| 20:08.59 | Fatal | which is understandable |
| 20:09.25 | cbx33 | ok here we go |
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| 20:11.59 | cbx33 | nope |
| 20:12.05 | cbx33 | still doesn't read it right |
| 20:12.55 | cbx33 | damn this is annoying |
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| 20:15.46 | cbx33 | now it's getting IO/Errors |
| 20:15.49 | cbx33 | on the card |
| 20:15.53 | cbx33 | i guess it's screwed |
| 20:15.59 | cbx33 | damn it damn it damn it |
| 20:16.41 | erstazi | cbx33, hmm, who makes the card? |
| 20:16.52 | cbx33 | silicon power |
| 20:16.54 | cbx33 | heheh |
| 20:17.02 | cbx33 | guess i should get a better manufac card eh? |
| 20:17.11 | guardian | good evening |
| 20:17.14 | erstazi | I am not sure if that is supported but I could be wrong |
| 20:17.20 | zaf | what about a sip phone on these things? |
| 20:17.25 | cbx33 | what do you mean erstazi ? |
| 20:17.42 | erstazi | cbx33, let me check something and clarify in a sec |
| 20:17.45 | cbx33 | which cards are supported? |
| 20:17.46 | cbx33 | thanks |
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| 20:19.30 | erstazi | cbx33, that list I am trying to pull up, I only remember looking at the 770's |
| 20:19.42 | erstazi | cbx33, I might be hallucinating so don't mind me |
| 20:19.51 | cbx33 | ok |
| 20:20.54 | erstazi | all I remember is people talking about "confirming functional on" * |
| 20:21.04 | erstazi | s/confirming/confirmed |
| 20:21.44 | cbx33 | hmm |
| 20:21.46 | erstazi | "Two internal memory card slots, compatible with SD, MicroSD, MiniSD, MMC, and RS-MMC. Supports memory cards up to 8GB. SD cards over 2GB must be SDHC compatible." |
| 20:22.01 | erstazi | what size is this silicon power sd card? |
| 20:22.37 | cbx33 | 1Gb |
| 20:22.41 | erstazi | ah |
| 20:22.45 | cbx33 | MMC |
| 20:22.50 | cbx33 | is that a problem? |
| 20:22.57 | erstazi | the n800 supports mmc |
| 20:23.01 | cbx33 | i know |
| 20:23.09 | cbx33 | but it doesn't seem ot like this one |
| 20:23.57 | erstazi | cbx33, I am looking at ITT they mention 1gb rs-mmc cards giving problems |
| 20:24.07 | guardian | ah crap |
| 20:24.09 | erstazi | will paste url in a sec |
| 20:24.17 | guardian | nokia updater does not install |
| 20:24.21 | guardian | crashes at install time |
| 20:24.29 | erstazi | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-5989.html |
| 20:24.36 | guardian | hooray and it requires .net power plant framework 2.0 |
| 20:24.40 | guardian | just to install a dumb flasher |
| 20:24.46 | guardian | i don't have my linux box at hands : |
| 20:24.47 | guardian | :( |
| 20:25.04 | cbx33 | erstazi, thanks just looking |
| 20:25.05 | erstazi | guardian, yeah .net framework 2.0 is like a 80mb+ download |
| 20:25.10 | guardian | i have it |
| 20:25.21 | erstazi | cbx33, I can't pull that url up |
| 20:25.25 | cbx33 | no me neither |
| 20:25.29 | cbx33 | did yo ugoole for it? |
| 20:25.36 | guardian | the nokia updateer installer is just borked |
| 20:25.37 | erstazi | cbx33, I am going to look up the cache |
| 20:25.41 | cbx33 | hehe |
| 20:25.41 | erstazi | cbx33, yes google |
| 20:25.44 | cbx33 | my thought exactly |
| 20:26.10 | erstazi | cbx33, http://tinyurl.com/326cwf |
| 20:26.15 | glizitch | hello |
| 20:26.16 | guardian | and i guess since it tries to install a driver |
| 20:26.21 | guardian | it gonna ask for reboot |
| 20:26.23 | guardian | ... brilliant |
| 20:26.31 | erstazi | is ITT down? |
| 20:26.36 | erstazi | ITT? |
| 20:26.36 | _Monkey | it has been said that ITT is http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums |
| 20:26.39 | glizitch | erstazi: it worked |
| 20:26.42 | erstazi | thank you monkey |
| 20:26.51 | glizitch | thanx a lot |
| 20:26.57 | erstazi | glizitch, what did? |
| 20:26.58 | glizitch | i learned a bunch |
| 20:26.59 | milhouse | erstazi: seems to be here too (UK) |
| 20:27.15 | tso | anyone had any luck installing gpe 2.8 onto a 770? |
| 20:27.22 | glizitch | erstazi: last night |
| 20:27.22 | cbx33 | ahhh i've seen that post before erstazi ;) |
| 20:27.24 | erstazi | glizitch, oh yeah you were the one from last night, I have no clue what I talked to you about haha |
| 20:27.34 | cbx33 | it's very annoying |
| 20:27.37 | erstazi | cbx33, no suggestions on it? |
| 20:27.40 | glizitch | updating sources.list thru putty |
| 20:27.44 | tso | hmm, i cant see why people like claw-mail. the ui is insane! |
| 20:27.46 | cbx33 | can't remember tbph |
| 20:27.46 | glizitch | it was pain |
| 20:27.46 | erstazi | this is a serious issue |
| 20:27.57 | cbx33 | erstazi, what is? |
| 20:28.01 | erstazi | tso, I uninstalled it |
| 20:28.07 | glizitch | thanx again |
| 20:28.14 | erstazi | cbx33, rs-mmc's giving problems in n800 |
| 20:28.17 | tso | that i can understand erstazi |
| 20:28.18 | erstazi | no problem glizitch |
| 20:28.21 | cbx33 | this isn't even an RS |
| 20:28.26 | cbx33 | it's just a standard mmc |
| 20:28.28 | erstazi | oh |
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| 20:28.31 | erstazi | my bad |
| 20:28.33 | cbx33 | hehe |
| 20:28.46 | cbx33 | well i have a brand new kingston card |
| 20:28.48 | cbx33 | 1Gb |
| 20:28.55 | cbx33 | but I'm scared of it killing that one too |
| 20:29.01 | erstazi | does it work on ubuntu? |
| 20:29.02 | cbx33 | i don't know what to do |
| 20:29.05 | cbx33 | yeh works fine |
| 20:29.15 | cbx33 | fsck.vfat reports no problems |
| 20:29.17 | erstazi | both do? |
| 20:29.29 | cbx33 | well i havn't tried the kingston one it's still wrapped up |
| 20:29.32 | cbx33 | as it's not really mine |
| 20:29.33 | cbx33 | ;) |
| 20:29.35 | cbx33 | it's the missus |
| 20:29.42 | erstazi | well I mean the one that is giving issues really |
| 20:29.43 | erstazi | not both |
| 20:29.47 | cbx33 | yeh it works fine |
| 20:29.50 | erstazi | hmm |
| 20:30.15 | glizitch | anyone installed fceu ? |
| 20:30.20 | glizitch | on 770 |
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| 20:30.31 | glizitch | nes emulator ? |
| 20:30.38 | cbx33 | as i said, normally running an fsck.vfat gives an issue ofr |
| 20:30.49 | cbx33 | got 900000 instead of 9000000 at 16384 |
| 20:30.54 | erstazi | have you tried running that on your tablet? |
| 20:31.08 | cbx33 | that's whatit gives |
| 20:31.11 | erstazi | ah |
| 20:31.16 | erstazi | must be the tablet then |
| 20:31.19 | tso | you need that xmaeme ui to access the emulator glizitch, but beyond that i havnt tested |
| 20:31.39 | glizitch | tso: thanks |
| 20:31.44 | tso | the closest i came was attempting to run a gameboy game using the gameboy advanced emulator. didnt work so well |
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| 20:31.57 | unique311 | pupnik better news |
| 20:32.21 | unique311 | pressure sensitivity |
| 20:32.32 | unique311 | mypaint..compiled and working.. |
| 20:32.36 | unique311 | opens 3 windows |
| 20:32.50 | unique311 | but looks great |
| 20:32.51 | cbx33 | erstazi, GRAHAHA ! |
| 20:32.53 | cbx33 | hehe |
| 20:33.51 | tso | thats it, summer is officially gone. i can hear the birds going south right now |
| 20:34.15 | glizitch | tso: ill let u know |
| 20:34.22 | glizitch | as soon as i get some roms |
| 20:34.24 | tso | thanks glizitch |
| 20:34.28 | glizitch | np |
| 20:34.36 | guardian | ok enough is enough |
| 20:34.39 | tso | i dont know if i can give you a page for that ;) |
| 20:34.41 | guardian | this device won't update from windows |
| 20:34.50 | guardian | enough maemo for today, i'm fed up :) |
| 20:34.51 | guardian | good night |
| 20:34.55 | erstazi | cbx33, ? |
| 20:34.55 | _Monkey | cbx33, are you using hildon.Window or gtk.Window? |
| 20:35.19 | cbx33 | hildon why? |
| 20:35.30 | erstazi | cbx33, _Monkey is a bot |
| 20:35.37 | cbx33 | ahh |
| 20:35.38 | erstazi | _Monkey, forget cbx33 |
| 20:35.39 | cbx33 | sorry |
| 20:35.39 | _Monkey | erstazi, I didn't have anything matching cbx33 |
| 20:35.45 | erstazi | _Monkey, forget cbx33, |
| 20:35.46 | _Monkey | erstazi: I forgot cbx33, |
| 20:35.57 | erstazi | don't need to be sorry |
| 20:36.14 | erstazi | no banana for _Monkey |
| 20:36.47 | erstazi | cbx33, the lock function is not turned on the card is it? |
| 20:37.04 | cbx33 | no it doesn't have one |
| 20:37.19 | cbx33 | maybe ubuntu screwed it up |
| 20:37.23 | cbx33 | i dunno |
| 20:37.35 | cbx33 | it first broke when i connected to the pc |
| 20:37.36 | cbx33 | brb |
| 20:38.04 | erstazi | ah |
| 20:38.10 | erstazi | It might be set to readonly |
| 20:41.28 | glizitch | anyone know where to get nes roms anymore |
| 20:41.30 | glizitch | hehe |
| 20:41.31 | glizitch | ? |
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| 20:42.23 | tso | to bad that many devs seems to have jumped to N800 now that the 770 is so cheap |
| 20:42.52 | tso | like that nice iphome applet. i see that the N800 version have a feature i would love for it to have on the 770... |
| 20:44.10 | erstazi | tso, maybe it can be ported for OS2006 |
| 20:44.12 | erstazi | what version is the new iphome? |
| 20:45.05 | tso | 0.4 |
| 20:47.00 | erstazi | I have on my 770: 0.2-1 |
| 20:47.11 | erstazi | let me see if I can get an update |
| 20:47.48 | tso | only real diff is that the 0.4 switch to displaying the currently active connection iirc. but that would make it oh so more usefull ;) |
| 20:48.39 | erstazi | tso, I thought it did that already |
| 20:48.51 | tso | i dont think mine does |
| 20:48.53 | erstazi | what does it display? |
| 20:49.12 | erstazi | do you mean changing a connection? |
| 20:49.38 | tso | it can show wlan and similar, but it does not automatically switch to showing it (from showing lo when nothing is connected) |
| 20:49.53 | erstazi | tso, oh, you have to tap it |
| 20:50.00 | erstazi | the new version doesn't require you tapping it? |
| 20:50.04 | tso | nope |
| 20:50.31 | erstazi | I see |
| 20:50.34 | erstazi | I just always tapped it |
| 20:50.49 | erstazi | let me see what I can do :evil laugh: |
| 20:51.04 | tso | same here, but it gets anoy over time given the aggressive disconnect that the 770 keeps up |
| 20:52.10 | erstazi | ah |
| 20:52.18 | erstazi | tso, I think the 0.4 is also for 770 |
| 20:52.31 | erstazi | http://www.mulliner.org/nokia770/feed/ |
| 20:53.38 | glizitch | tso: pacman is even running slow |
| 20:53.40 | glizitch | hehe |
| 20:53.49 | tso | glizitch: outch! |
| 20:53.55 | glizitch | yeah |
| 20:54.04 | glizitch | its kinda playable |
| 20:54.09 | glizitch | but its not right |
| 20:54.09 | tso | and thats the old 8-bit nes... |
| 20:54.18 | glizitch | fce is flawless |
| 20:54.20 | glizitch | on the pc |
| 20:54.28 | glizitch | must be a bad port |
| 20:54.42 | glizitch | i know the nokia has the power to run it |
| 20:55.23 | glizitch | sound is distorted too |
| 20:55.24 | pauliukas | I LOVE MAEMO |
| 20:56.23 | glizitch | megaman1 is more playuable |
| 20:56.27 | glizitch | oddly enough |
| 20:56.31 | glizitch | sounds like shit tho\ |
| 20:56.40 | glizitch | paul: what do u play ? |
| 20:56.48 | pauliukas | huh? |
| 20:56.55 | glizitch | on maemo ? |
| 20:56.59 | tso | those nes games usually sounds like shit |
| 20:57.02 | pauliukas | I just got it today. |
| 20:57.07 | pauliukas | Only played mahjong so far. |
| 20:57.14 | glizitch | oh |
| 20:57.17 | glizitch | nm |
| 20:57.17 | pauliukas | lol |
| 20:57.20 | pauliukas | ahahaah |
| 20:57.24 | glizitch | i meant xmaemo |
| 20:57.27 | pauliukas | Is there something like a simcity clone? |
| 20:57.36 | erstazi | pauliukas, on pc's |
| 20:57.44 | pauliukas | no. For the Maemo. |
| 20:57.48 | erstazi | haha |
| 20:57.49 | erstazi | I know |
| 20:57.58 | erstazi | I don't think for maemo |
| 20:58.04 | erstazi | thats pretty resource extensive |
| 20:58.07 | pauliukas | On the PC, I play Simcity 4 |
| 20:58.09 | pauliukas | It's great. |
| 20:58.12 | tso | i think i have seen freeciv on a page |
| 20:58.15 | glizitch | the sound is slow |
| 20:58.17 | pauliukas | It's just slow for no reason. |
| 20:58.18 | pauliukas | Ah. |
| 20:58.21 | erstazi | I play SimCity 3000 but I have SC4 |
| 20:58.30 | glizitch | i mean on fceu |
| 20:58.47 | erstazi | its just like me owning Civ4 and not playing it |
| 20:59.01 | tso | as in delayed glizitch? so that its played some seconds after the action? |
| 20:59.50 | glizitch | no |
| 20:59.55 | glizitch | just crawling |
| 20:59.57 | glizitch | drawn out |
| 21:00.15 | glizitch | super mario bros. 2 works just fine |
| 21:00.24 | glizitch | w/o sound |
| 21:03.45 | glizitch | id say this emu works |
| 21:03.50 | glizitch | pretty good |
| 21:03.56 | glizitch | minus the sound |
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| 21:04.39 | erstazi | glizitch, what emu are you using? |
| 21:05.02 | glizitch | fceu |
| 21:05.05 | tso | erstazi: that url you gave me just gives me a 404 |
| 21:05.31 | erstazi | tso, I am working on porting an update |
| 21:05.31 | tso | oops, forget it, my bad... |
| 21:05.56 | pauliukas | Is the 770 using a normal fluorescant backlight or LED? |
| 21:07.03 | tso | i dont think even the N800 uses led... |
| 21:09.00 | sparr | if anyone can tell me where http://maemo.org/downloads/him-plugin-examples/him-plugins-sdk-example-0.0.2.tar.gz might have moved to, i would be most grateful |
| 21:09.15 | sparr | OR where to find the .xml version of the default .vkb keyboard definitions |
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| 21:37.24 | tso | ok, thats promising. i tried to start maemo mapper. it failed. i hit the application manager thinking about reinstalling it, and i got the nokia logo in my face... |
| 21:38.34 | tso | uhoh, i smell a reboot loop. it just sits there displaying the logo and ever so often blinking the screen :( |
| 21:41.26 | ||cw2 | tso: I had something similar happen with mapper recently |
| 21:41.43 | ||cw2 | tso: take the battery out for about 30 seconds, fixed it for me |
| 21:41.46 | amr | why does my tablet keep displaying a 'nokia' screen |
| 21:41.53 | amr | it boots into the homepage |
| 21:42.22 | tso | it didnt rebootloop. it just used a very long time shutting down. and then a unusualy long time booting before the load bare was show. still no mapper running tho... |
| 21:43.20 | tso | ||cw2: well see if your suggestion works :) |
| 21:44.29 | ||cw2 | worked for me, and good thing too because I was in a canoe on a river |
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| 21:44.48 | tso | wtf?! |
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| 21:45.15 | ||cw2 | used google maps satellite images, was awesome |
| 21:45.28 | tso | noted :) |
| 21:45.49 | sparr | its going to take hours to rewrite the default keyboard from only the xml schema |
| 21:45.59 | sparr | i wish the xml file was available... its not like its any sort of secret |
| 21:46.18 | tso | hmm, looks like nokia plans on standardizing on the microusb port |
| 21:46.26 | ||cw2 | FWIW, in non-full screen mode so the screen would dim the battery lasted nearly 8 hours tracking the whole time |
| 21:46.35 | sparr | tso: mini-A or mini-B? |
| 21:46.41 | tso | sparr: |
| 21:46.44 | erstazi | sparr, look in ~/.osso |
| 21:46.44 | tso | sparr: no clue |
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| 21:47.17 | sparr | does ssh into the 770 take longer than it should for anyone else? 20-30 seconds before i get a password prompt |
| 21:47.25 | saaib | WWOOHHO !!!! aaahh ! AAAH !!! Excited |
| 21:47.29 | saaib | my package just arrived! |
| 21:47.35 | saaib | hehehe |
| 21:47.37 | erstazi | saaib, haha |
| 21:47.42 | sparr | erstazi: not in ~/.osso |
| 21:47.46 | saaib | I'm going to take a pic from the close package |
| 21:47.55 | erstazi | sparr, I never noticed a problem with ssh doing that |
| 21:48.01 | erstazi | sparr, dropbear or openssh? |
| 21:48.04 | tso | hmm, didnt fix mapper. i have a feel i messed up the libsqlite or something |
| 21:48.06 | sparr | dropbear |
| 21:48.06 | _Monkey | i guess dropbear is a relatively small SSH 2 server and client. http://matt.ucc.asn.au/dropbear/dropbear.html |
| 21:48.19 | sparr | my guess is that its being launched by inetd (or similar) |
| 21:48.23 | erstazi | sparr, I use openssh |
| 21:48.25 | ||cw2 | sparr: that's about right, and ssh'ing into a 586 200Mhz SoC system with 128 meg ram takes just about as long |
| 21:48.26 | sparr | as opposed to running as a daemon |
| 21:48.49 | sparr | regarding the keyboard... what im looking for is the xml version of /usr/share/keyboards/en_US.vkb |
| 21:48.59 | sparr | or any other keyboard there |
| 21:49.12 | ||cw2 | tso: try starting again, mine took a couple times as well, it did eventually start and my track was intact |
| 21:49.13 | milhouse | use public/private keys... only takes a couple of seconds to login and i don't even have to enter a password. :) |
| 21:49.20 | erstazi | I would suppose it would be in the %gconf.conf |
| 21:49.20 | sparr | milhouse: openssh? |
| 21:49.21 | _Monkey | openssh is a FREE version of the SSH connectivity tools that technical users of the Internet rely on. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/openssh/ |
| 21:49.29 | milhouse | sparr: yes i use openssh |
| 21:49.38 | milhouse | thanks _monkey |
| 21:49.48 | tso | hmm, i wonder. can one install gaim and pidgin side by side? |
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| 21:49.56 | erstazi | sparr, I use openssh and if that link that I gave monkey doesn't work, tell me |
| 21:50.02 | milhouse | tso - why would you want to? pidgin is gaim |
| 21:50.12 | sparr | well, except for the slow login, dropbear seems to work fine, and its a lot smaller (storage and memory) than openssh... i might stick with it |
| 21:50.14 | erstazi | pidgin is the name for gaim |
| 21:50.14 | tso | just for the hell of it :P |
| 21:50.33 | erstazi | s/the name/the new name |
| 21:50.53 | tso | btw, i wished they dropped the input area and just went straight for the virtual keyboard on the push of a onscreen button or something... |
| 21:51.45 | tso | as in the thumbs keyboard. btw, i would love for it to be the default keyboard. even if it as some issues with input field on websites |
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| 21:54.14 | tso | hrmf, i have a feel that me messing around with gpe 2.8 somehow messed up libsqlite :( |
| 21:55.13 | tso | heh, trying to run maemo mapper using xterm gave me a seg fault... |
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| 22:03.00 | zaf | hmm, what's the latest flash available on 770, and how do i get it? |
| 22:03.28 | ||cw2 | zaf: the one that comes with it is 6, there is no upgrade |
| 22:03.30 | zaf | flashplayer, sorry |
| 22:03.33 | zaf | doh |
| 22:04.03 | cbx33 | well |
| 22:04.10 | cbx33 | i guess that card is just knackered |
| 22:04.10 | ||cw2 | deep subject |
| 22:04.13 | cbx33 | works fine on pc |
| 22:04.20 | cbx33 | but massive IO errors on the n800 |
| 22:04.56 | cbx33 | nn all |
| 22:04.59 | cbx33 | thanks for the help |
| 22:05.08 | cbx33 | i'll get to the bottom of this |
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| 22:34.01 | pauliukas | Hey guys. Anyone still alive? |
| 22:34.06 | pauliukas | I can't get SSL in browsers to work/ |
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| 22:41.53 | pauliukas | http://pr.gstutor.com/nokia770_2.jpg |
| 22:41.54 | pauliukas | http://pr.gstutor.com/nokia770_1.jpg |
| 22:42.57 | saaib | nice :) |
| 22:43.07 | pauliukas | thx |
| 22:43.19 | pauliukas | bad quality, but those are quicksnapshots. |
| 22:46.47 | syntux | Ok, I got scratchbox installed and added new user with sbin/sbox_newuser but still getting permission denied when trying to run ./login; |
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| 23:03.11 | Mikho | should you add yourself to the sbox group? |
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| 23:30.10 | solmumaha | any linux users that wanted upnp transcoding awake? |
| 23:30.31 | notpeter | yep |
| 23:30.54 | solmumaha | there's support now in mediatomb svn |
| 23:31.19 | solmumaha | you can use external programs to do transcoding |
| 23:31.29 | solmumaha | like 770-encode.pl |
| 23:31.56 | solmumaha | but i didn't get it working |
| 23:32.20 | solmumaha | works fine with xbmc, but not with n800's media player or media streamer |
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| 23:32.41 | notpeter | hmmm... |
| 23:32.57 | solmumaha | so if anyone is interested on testing, please do and report |
| 23:33.05 | notpeter | i have a 770...let me see if I can get mediatomb up and running |
| 23:34.21 | solmumaha | there's no need to actually install it |
| 23:34.27 | solmumaha | you can just compile and run |
| 23:34.35 | solmumaha | i can give you a config for it |
| 23:35.34 | solmumaha | or just add this to your config: http://pastebin.ca/650001 |
| 23:39.01 | solmumaha | could be a format thing too |
| 23:39.36 | solmumaha | but n800 plays it if i transcode it and transfer it to device or serve it via mediatomb without transcoding |
| 23:40.26 | solmumaha | and developer didn't see anything weird in my dumps |
