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| 00:56.44 | setite | please soemoen help me |
| 00:56.47 | setite | i beg of you |
| 00:56.50 | setite | im no good in linux |
| 00:56.58 | setite | i cant get RD mode enabled on ym n800 |
| 00:59.28 | gomiam | setite |
| 00:59.36 | gomiam | install becomeroot |
| 00:59.47 | gomiam | (which may require entering red pill mode) |
| 01:00.27 | gomiam | see http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationManagerRedPillMode on how to activate red pill mode |
| 01:01.05 | gomiam | while you are installing becomeroot, you may want to install osso-xterm too so you can have a console |
| 01:01.55 | gomiam | anyway, what do you want RD mode for, setite? |
| 01:01.59 | milhouse | xterm is the only reason to install becomeroot/R&D mode... no? |
| 01:02.11 | milhouse | or i suppose ssh |
| 01:02.21 | gomiam | milhouse: I don't know. Cause and effect are such vague concepts ;-) |
| 01:02.29 | milhouse | :) |
| 01:02.44 | milhouse | becomeroot? |
| 01:02.44 | _Monkey | becomeroot is is easily obtained from [770/OS2006] http://eko.one.pl/maemo/dists/mistral/user/binary-armel/becomeroot_0.1-2_armel.deb or [770/OS2007HE and N800/OS2007] http://eko.one.pl/maemo/dists/bora/user/binary-armel/becomeroot_0.1-2_armel.deb or for a more long winded method http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_BecomeRoot |
| 01:02.54 | gomiam | I'll get back to cataloging galaxies. |
| 01:02.55 | gomiam | :-D |
| 01:02.55 | milhouse | shouldn't need red pill mode to install becomeroot |
| 01:03.06 | milhouse | gomiam: slacker |
| 01:03.08 | milhouse | ;) |
| 01:03.36 | gomiam | oh. Figures I wouldn't think about installing becomeroot directly. Must be I'm a CLI man :-) |
| 01:03.57 | gomiam | milhouse: join Galaxy Zoo |
| 01:04.08 | gomiam | a useful way to lose your time :-D |
| 01:04.36 | milhouse | all my 770/n800 devices have been in R&D mode since the day i bought them... what's becomeroot? ;) |
| 01:05.01 | gomiam | :-D |
| 01:05.30 | gomiam | I won't be baited like that :-P |
| 01:06.32 | gomiam | on a tangent, why does "being baited" mean "to have a bait put in front of oneself" when it should mean "to be used as bait"? :-D |
| 01:07.36 | milhouse | it means someone is trying to attract you... with bait |
| 01:07.42 | milhouse | so i think it's correct |
| 01:08.32 | setite | ok the guys in #ubuntu helped me |
| 01:08.39 | setite | i had no rights to use the flasher |
| 01:08.43 | milhouse | you mean you cheated on us? |
| 01:08.51 | gomiam | oh, the despair |
| 01:09.04 | setite | sorry... i figured it was an ubuntu problem since that OS doesnt like me |
| 01:09.16 | gomiam | all our responses will be lost... in time... like cheers... in the crowd (or something like that) :-D |
| 01:09.20 | setite | ok x terminal runs... |
| 01:09.24 | gomiam | good |
| 01:09.37 | setite | now why did i want RD mode anyway |
| 01:09.38 | setite | haha |
| 01:09.46 | setite | it just made my startup unpretty |
| 01:09.56 | gomiam | oh? |
| 01:09.58 | setite | makes me feel all leet now |
| 01:09.59 | milhouse | you always need root for flasher :) |
| 01:10.02 | gomiam | :-D |
| 01:10.12 | setite | can i run all my hacker tools now |
| 01:10.17 | milhouse | can't beat the green text |
| 01:10.31 | milhouse | setite: um... eh? |
| 01:10.42 | milhouse | setite: now that you have root access you can do pretty much anything |
| 01:10.45 | gomiam | hacker... as in aircrack? :-D |
| 01:11.49 | setite | shit did i say hacker.. haha my bad.. i was getting a phonecall |
| 01:11.50 | gomiam | (on unrelated matters, it's been a few days since aircrack-ng on Maemo evolved to 0.9.1, so I finally can Rumpeltinskin my way through Telefónica's stupid WEP key scheme) |
| 01:12.01 | setite | yea aircrack.. tcpdump.. wireless-tools... nmap |
| 01:12.03 | setite | the fun shit |
| 01:12.10 | gomiam | yes, you can |
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| 01:12.17 | gomiam | so very useful |
| 01:12.24 | setite | well i mean i have them installed.. btu cant see them |
| 01:12.39 | setite | cli apps right |
| 01:12.45 | gomiam | yup |
| 01:12.51 | setite | oh nmap runs now... |
| 01:12.54 | setite | i dont think it ran before |
| 01:13.20 | gomiam | it probably ran before, but it threw its results where you couldn't see. |
| 01:13.55 | setite | this is possible too |
| 01:14.07 | setite | ok so am i like in full linux goodness now |
| 01:14.12 | setite | do i need redpill |
| 01:14.13 | gomiam | I must go to sleep _now_. I'm starting to draw on quantum physics quotes. |
| 01:14.15 | gomiam | :-D |
| 01:14.21 | setite | what i need is a fucking physics |
| 01:14.28 | gomiam | setite: you probably don't but I quite like it. |
| 01:14.44 | gomiam | then again, I've been apt-getting my way through everything lately |
| 01:14.47 | gomiam | so... |
| 01:14.54 | setite | yea i need a keyboard |
| 01:15.04 | gomiam | don't buy Zaapa ZA-600 |
| 01:15.04 | setite | hunt and pecking sucks.. and the handwriting is a joke |
| 01:15.09 | gomiam | err.. |
| 01:15.12 | gomiam | ZA-BK600 |
| 01:15.13 | setite | but im not a true PDA guy so maybe thats why |
| 01:15.17 | setite | zaapa?? |
| 01:15.19 | gomiam | it only allows SPP |
| 01:15.21 | setite | i was thinking stoway |
| 01:15.29 | setite | i just need a cheap bt keyboard |
| 01:15.39 | gomiam | setite: and simple support to get it running |
| 01:15.41 | gomiam | otherwise.... |
| 01:16.35 | gomiam | it looks like it does |
| 01:16.36 | milhouse | stowaways are fine, support HID. my sierra works no problem. |
| 01:17.19 | setite | whats cheapest that works |
| 01:17.30 | setite | and do you use a fullsize or something small like stowaway |
| 01:18.29 | gomiam | I was shooting for a kbd I saw on eBay, but I was offline at the critical time |
| 01:18.43 | gomiam | funnily, nobody even tried to get it. |
| 01:19.00 | setite | yea thats what happened to me |
| 01:19.08 | setite | i was watching it for 4 horus.. and spaced it in the last hour |
| 01:19.14 | gomiam | which reminds me I'm to try and buy a couple of USB Wifi cards with SMA antenna connection |
| 01:19.16 | setite | and on another one i bid within 30 secs of close |
| 01:19.22 | gomiam | (at last there are cards like that) |
| 01:19.25 | setite | and got swooped by a pro within 5 secs |
| 01:19.37 | gomiam | ow |
| 01:19.41 | gomiam | that's gotta hurt |
| 01:19.53 | setite | yea |
| 01:20.02 | setite | well that was on a n800 actually :) |
| 01:20.06 | setite | the keyboard was the 4 hour space |
| 01:20.17 | setite | i was trying to get one for under 350 |
| 01:20.24 | setite | finally gave up and bought it at a retailer |
| 01:20.30 | setite | i should have picked a better retailer |
| 01:20.39 | setite | compusa extended warranties are costly |
| 01:20.40 | gomiam | 350? What currency? |
| 01:20.45 | setite | US |
| 01:20.57 | setite | ebay they go for around 350 give or take with shipping |
| 01:21.02 | gomiam | oh, you mean $350 for the N800 |
| 01:21.04 | gomiam | :-D |
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| 01:21.34 | setite | i think im gonna keep the ubuntu VM |
| 01:21.38 | setite | so i can relearn it |
| 01:21.57 | setite | it will help me in learning my n800 as well |
| 01:22.02 | setite | you know what we need |
| 01:22.06 | setite | an overclocking app :) |
| 01:23.32 | gomiam | say, what would you think of a USB WiFi with external SMA antenna for EUR30,10 (taxes included)? |
| 01:27.13 | nchntr | i got my 770 booting from flash or mmc |
| 01:28.20 | nchntr | i got my usb host mode enabled, cable made (found out later that u can get them at bestbuy) got my external usb harddrive/jumdrive/sd reader showing up in the /dev |
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| 01:29.01 | nchntr | anyone with some linux/maemo experience could tell me the correct place to mount them? /mnt/ or /dev/ /media/ ? |
| 01:33.12 | trevarthan | Can anyone tell me how to put screenshots on the application page of maemo.org? |
| 01:33.55 | Luria | trev, btw, i wasnt able to reproduce my problems with the scanner |
| 01:34.10 | Luria | can i manually delete the db? |
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| 01:36.59 | trevarthan | Luria: yeah. |
| 01:37.09 | trevarthan | I found the screenshot thing, BTW. |
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| 02:15.18 | pupnik | what did i miss |
| 02:15.29 | N800 | nada |
| 02:15.53 | N800 | i found a much better suited paint/sketch program....that i think i might be able to hildon... |
| 02:16.08 | N800 | by the same dude who made mtpaint. |
| 02:21.02 | erstazi | pupnik, I got a question for you, its driving me crazy |
| 02:21.23 | erstazi | I got scratchbox setup, I got the user and all |
| 02:21.55 | pupnik | nice N800 |
| 02:22.17 | erstazi | but I cannot get pass this: http://tinyurl.com/2u9gpk |
| 02:22.26 | pupnik | erstazi: you're in luck, i have a 2.2 working here and N800 has a working 3.0 |
| 02:22.49 | pupnik | the login? |
| 02:22.52 | erstazi | yes |
| 02:23.11 | pupnik | what is your host os, and what is the error you see after login command |
| 02:23.30 | erstazi | if I am as normal user in terminal on the pc, it says I don't have permissions, then if I go as root, it says I don't have permissions |
| 02:23.32 | N800 | erstazi, what distro? |
| 02:23.34 | erstazi | let me make sure thats exact |
| 02:23.39 | erstazi | Ubuntu 7.04 |
| 02:23.45 | N800 | dude |
| 02:23.51 | N800 | install via the debs |
| 02:24.11 | N800 | http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=351 |
| 02:24.17 | N800 | you cannot go wrong |
| 02:24.25 | pupnik | yeah that's how i did it - with the debs - but maybe we can fix the error first |
| 02:24.26 | orakle | hey |
| 02:24.33 | N800 | follow those instructions. |
| 02:24.38 | orakle | have any of you had luck with using WEP and PEAP on the nokia 770? |
| 02:24.47 | orakle | My university's wireless runs that and so far I haven't been able to connect |
| 02:24.58 | erstazi | main@main:/$ /usr/bin/scratchbox |
| 02:24.59 | erstazi | bash: /usr/bin/scratchbox: Permission denied |
| 02:25.04 | pupnik | nice link N800 |
| 02:25.05 | erstazi | N800, I did |
| 02:25.05 | N800 | not sure about the PEAP |
| 02:25.21 | orakle | normal WEP is okay |
| 02:25.22 | erstazi | these were installed by debs |
| 02:25.28 | N800 | yes |
| 02:25.30 | pupnik | ls -l /usr/bin/scratchbox |
| 02:25.30 | pupnik | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 2007-03-13 20:16 /usr/bin/scratchbox -> /scratchbox/login |
| 02:25.35 | erstazi | ok |
| 02:25.35 | orakle | but this is equivalent to the "dynamic wep" or "key is provided for me" setting in windows |
| 02:25.47 | pupnik | ls -l /scratchbox/login |
| 02:25.48 | pupnik | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root sbox 7009 2006-11-30 02:31 /scratchbox/login |
| 02:26.00 | erstazi | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 2007-08-06 17:51 /usr/bin/scratchbox -> /scratchbox/login |
| 02:26.03 | erstazi | the group is root |
| 02:26.04 | erstazi | shit |
| 02:26.15 | erstazi | ok I got that |
| 02:26.16 | erstazi | sorry |
| 02:26.18 | erstazi | stupid question |
| 02:26.33 | pupnik | and your normal user needs to be in sbox group i think |
| 02:26.39 | erstazi | it is |
| 02:26.41 | N800 | yes |
| 02:26.49 | erstazi | I can't believe I forgot all about that being the root group |
| 02:26.55 | erstazi | I thought being a deb it would set it up |
| 02:26.59 | pupnik | orakle: dunno |
| 02:27.16 | orakle | there seems to be some support for it in linux under wpa_supplicant |
| 02:27.28 | orakle | but i haven't been able to find a binary package of it for the 770 |
| 02:28.02 | erstazi | I thought WEP could be cracked |
| 02:28.07 | pupnik | erstazi: if you get this error let me know Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed! |
| 02:28.10 | erstazi | isn't WPA more secure? |
| 02:28.19 | erstazi | pupnik, do you get that error? |
| 02:28.29 | erstazi | I will have to keep a lookout for that |
| 02:28.32 | orakle | erstazi, it is, but i'm stuck with what my university is using |
| 02:28.39 | orakle | they probably use wep for compatibility with dated wifi gear |
| 02:28.49 | N800 | erstazi, wpa aes |
| 02:28.59 | N800 | erstazi, wpa2 aes |
| 02:29.48 | pupnik | If you boot a kernel without VDSO support and attempt to login to the Scratchbox environment you will recieve the following error. |
| 02:30.43 | erstazi | ah |
| 02:33.01 | pupnik | vdso = Virtual Dynamic Shared Objects, not enabled in all kernels |
| 02:36.06 | pupnik | i have to make all sdl games work like marbles |
| 02:36.15 | pupnik | that thing is perfect |
| 02:37.43 | erstazi | pupnik, how do I know if VDSO is enabled? |
| 02:38.08 | pupnik | if you don't get the error on login you are ok |
| 02:40.00 | erstazi | I keep getting a permissions issue |
| 02:40.21 | erstazi | this time about needing to log out and log back in to be set for the sbox group |
| 02:40.22 | erstazi | ugh |
| 02:42.01 | pupnik | yeah that one was strange |
| 02:42.56 | erstazi | I got a headache and I don't want to read documentation tonight |
| 02:43.35 | pupnik | dont |
| 02:43.42 | pupnik | you can reboot and all will be well, i think |
| 02:45.13 | erstazi | yeah |
| 02:45.18 | erstazi | I just need to read more on this |
| 02:45.26 | erstazi | I understand it is a sandbox and all |
| 02:45.29 | erstazi | and self contained |
| 02:45.31 | erstazi | but blah |
| 02:45.37 | erstazi | brb reboot |
| 02:46.57 | bldewolf | orakle, WEP with EAP doesn't work :( |
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| 02:49.08 | erstazi | fresh installs reboot very fast |
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| 02:51.24 | orakle | bldewolf i know :) |
| 02:51.41 | orakle | what's in the way of it working though? |
| 02:52.13 | orakle | that is to say, if i get scratchbox up and running and compile wpa_supplicant with the 770 as a target, would it work? |
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| 02:56.01 | bldewolf | no idea |
| 02:56.11 | bldewolf | I was going to try doing that myself, in a similar situation |
| 02:56.14 | erstazi | wb pupnik_ |
| 02:56.23 | bldewolf | either wpa_supplicant or xsupplicant |
| 02:57.41 | bldewolf | at my work we support WEP/WPA with EAP, but my 770 still doesn't work because our AP's advertise WEP with EAP instead of WPA... |
| 02:57.51 | erstazi | ERROR: '/scratchbox/sbin/chroot-uid' is not suid ROOT. |
| 02:57.54 | erstazi | ugh |
| 02:58.28 | pupnik_ | you don't have scratchbox on a vfat partition or something crazy, do you? |
| 02:59.46 | erstazi | pupnik, no, ext3 |
| 03:00.47 | pupnik_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:00.48 | pupnik_ | -rwsr-xr-- 1 root sbox 474123 2006-11-30 02:59 /scratchbox/sbin/chroot-ui |
| 03:02.21 | erstazi | yeah I already did that |
| 03:02.22 | erstazi | ls -al /scratchbox/sbin/chroot-uid |
| 03:02.41 | erstazi | -rwxr-xr-- 1 root sbox 474123 2007-08-01 08:31 /scratchbox/sbin/chroot-uid |
| 03:03.05 | bldewolf | did you mount the volume with nosuid? |
| 03:03.11 | erstazi | its not mounted |
| 03:03.18 | erstazi | its on my / filesystem |
| 03:03.32 | bldewolf | well, / is a volume :) |
| 03:03.45 | erstazi | heh |
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| 03:04.53 | orakle | someone needs to make a fully setup scratchbox in a vmware image |
| 03:04.56 | orakle | that would be awesome. |
| 03:05.09 | erstazi | yes, orakle, I was just thinking that |
| 03:05.17 | erstazi | scary that you thought that, really is |
| 03:05.25 | orakle | hehe |
| 03:05.37 | erstazi | I am checking the past channel logs |
| 03:05.38 | orakle | i've got debian 4 installed in vm now.. apt-getting all the packages |
| 03:05.48 | pupnik_ | there is one |
| 03:05.53 | orakle | oh really |
| 03:05.53 | erstazi | orakle, don't move the vmware files on your computer |
| 03:06.14 | erstazi | where at? |
| 03:06.28 | orakle | that would save some time :D |
| 03:06.33 | pupnik_ | i can google if you have trouble |
| 03:06.42 | erstazi | I can google also |
| 03:06.51 | bldewolf | orakle, wpa_supplicant wants "debhelper (>= 5.0.0) libreadline5-dev libqt4-dev" which aren't available |
| 03:07.32 | erstazi | http://linuxtracker.org/torrents-details.php?id=3468 ?? |
| 03:07.39 | bldewolf | I'm betting I could get away without the qt dependencies...maybe the readline...but what does debhelper do? |
| 03:07.51 | orakle | looks like a nice torrent is available: http://linuxtracker.org/torrents-details.php?id=3468 |
| 03:07.55 | erstazi | I thought debhelper was available |
| 03:07.56 | orakle | haha |
| 03:08.00 | orakle | beat me to it |
| 03:08.05 | erstazi | orakle, dude, are we twins? |
| 03:08.07 | pupnik_ | it helps build packages - you can try forcing the debhelper compatibility to 4 |
| 03:08.15 | erstazi | scary |
| 03:08.19 | erstazi | really is |
| 03:09.14 | pupnik_ | you can edit debian/compat and change 5 to 4 and see if it still builds |
| 03:09.17 | orakle | pretty good spead too.. |
| 03:09.21 | pupnik_ | 50% of the time or more that will work |
| 03:09.22 | orakle | speed* |
| 03:09.45 | erstazi | orakle, yeah we are probably the only two leechers out there |
| 03:10.38 | erstazi | it went from 100% seeders to 75% seeders |
| 03:10.45 | erstazi | so if 25% are leechers |
| 03:10.51 | erstazi | that means there are 8 seeders |
| 03:11.06 | erstazi | that was a fast torrent |
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| 03:11.15 | orakle | i see 4 seeds in the swarm so far.. 1 peer which is probably you |
| 03:11.20 | erstazi | hi Chili2 |
| 03:11.29 | erstazi | yeah |
| 03:13.53 | erstazi | vmware changed their site |
| 03:13.54 | erstazi | ugh |
| 03:14.05 | erstazi | use to be so easy to find virtual apps |
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| 03:15.07 | orakle | torrents for legal stuff |
| 03:15.09 | orakle | who'd of thought :P |
| 03:16.21 | erstazi | orakle, http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/702 |
| 03:16.58 | erstazi | pupnik_, if you get the chance, will this install work with the 770? I didn't think maemo 3.0 bora was for the 770 with OS2006 |
| 03:17.00 | orakle | it brings you to the torrent |
| 03:17.08 | Luria | legal torrents? |
| 03:17.21 | erstazi | dammit its not |
| 03:17.29 | erstazi | its for the n800 |
| 03:17.33 | Luria | what do they use that for?? |
| 03:17.34 | orakle | what is |
| 03:17.41 | Luria | creative commons porn? |
| 03:17.41 | pupnik_ | erstazi: only for it2007he and then you can also have problems |
| 03:17.57 | orakle | oh, crap;. |
| 03:17.58 | pupnik_ | many old movies on publicdomaintorrents.com |
| 03:17.59 | erstazi | hmm |
| 03:18.07 | erstazi | then I should just scrap the debs |
| 03:18.25 | erstazi | and do the tar install |
| 03:21.37 | erstazi | orakle, do you have a 770 or n800? |
| 03:21.42 | orakle | 770 |
| 03:22.00 | erstazi | honestly man, I would just partition and install ubuntu |
| 03:22.13 | erstazi | the 770 and ubuntu (since its debian based) talk very nicely |
| 03:23.05 | pupnik_ | sidux! |
| 03:23.06 | _Monkey | sidux is, like, a distro that tracks debian sid and catches problems/incompatibilities in an updater script. Very fast/light livecd. Very fast/clean install. The less-annoying alternative to Ubuntu. http://www.sidux.com |
| 03:23.30 | pupnik_ | good monkey |
| 03:23.32 | erstazi | pupnik_, which scratchbox 1.0.x do you have? |
| 03:23.49 | erstazi | orakle, or sidux as pupnik_ petted his monkey with haah |
| 03:24.16 | pupnik_ | i don't remember |
| 03:24.27 | orakle | a livecd though? |
| 03:24.36 | pupnik_ | it can run as livecd or installer |
| 03:24.42 | orakle | i see |
| 03:25.05 | erstazi | orakle, same with ubuntu |
| 03:25.16 | pupnik_ | the lite version is cool too - under a gig installed iirc |
| 03:25.35 | orakle | does it default to graphical? |
| 03:25.40 | pupnik_ | yeah |
| 03:25.43 | erstazi | orakle, both do, also DSL is nice |
| 03:25.43 | orakle | debian did that to me and i can't even figure out how to make it go away |
| 03:25.51 | orakle | i jsut want cmd line :P |
| 03:26.03 | erstazi | orakle, you can get livecd's that do that |
| 03:26.12 | pupnik_ | then edit /etc/inittab and change 5 to 3 |
| 03:26.14 | orakle | debian's "default install" includes the kitchen sink, it bothers me :P |
| 03:26.24 | orakle | it's already at 2 pup |
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| 03:26.25 | Luria | anyone try elive? |
| 03:26.45 | pupnik_ | orakle: then you can start with debbootstrap and build your own sid |
| 03:27.21 | Luria | its a pretty neat distrib |
| 03:28.29 | setite | distrib? |
| 03:28.31 | setite | distro? |
| 03:28.54 | Luria | same deal |
| 03:28.57 | Luria | ;-) |
| 03:29.26 | Luria | but yes, distro is what was thought, but didnt quite make it to the keyboard |
| 03:29.55 | Luria | it runs very nicely on old hardware but is very pretty |
| 03:30.15 | bldewolf | I tried to build wpa_supplicant without dependencies...does " fakeroot debian/rules clean" then "test -x debian/rules" then "make: *** [testdir] Error 1" :( |
| 03:30.33 | Luria | just went 1.0 in july |
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| 03:31.35 | Luria | f* my 1.8" notebook hdd. it's swapping more than a san fran couple in the 70s. |
| 03:32.39 | orakle | hahaha |
| 03:32.42 | orakle | never heard that one before |
| 03:33.37 | Luria | 'cause i just made it up. i have all this time you see, cause my notebook isnt doing much. |
| 03:34.46 | pupnik_ | Isaac ben Solomon Luria? |
| 03:34.53 | bldewolf | oh, that was a dumb error, debian/rules needed +x |
| 03:35.20 | Luria | is there any other? |
| 03:35.23 | pupnik_ | obscure nicks are cool |
| 03:36.00 | Luria | well, the fall backs are abulafia and metatron which arent as obscure as they used to be, but so it goes. |
| 03:36.10 | bldewolf | "/scratchbox/compilers/cs2005q3.2-glibc2.5-arm/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/bin/../lib/libpthread.so.0: undefined reference to `errno@GLIBC_PRIVATE'" any ideas? |
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| 03:36.46 | Luria | sometimes ibnNagrela, which no one gets and everyone thinks im an arab. |
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| 03:53.55 | bldewolf | is there a way to build one specific package out of the several that come from a source package? |
| 03:57.14 | pupnik_ | good question bldewolf, |
| 03:57.44 | bldewolf | oh cool |
| 03:57.54 | pupnik_ | tell me if you find it out |
| 03:57.57 | bldewolf | deleting it from debian/control worked |
| 03:58.06 | pupnik_ | ah thx |
| 03:58.15 | bldewolf | (wpasupplicant comes with wpagui, which is a qt gui) |
| 03:58.43 | bldewolf | just pulled its entry out of control and it didn't seem to build it anymore... |
| 03:59.01 | pupnik_ | i was mucking with rules - good to know |
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| 04:00.58 | bldewolf | yeah I tried taking it out of rules but it just complained when it tried to copy the file that wasn't built |
| 04:04.42 | erstazi | bldewolf, I always thought meta packaging did that |
| 04:05.34 | bldewolf | meta packaging? |
| 04:06.48 | pupnik_ | you can read through the debian new maintainers guide, but there's a lot to learn |
| 04:06.58 | orakle | bldewolf, lemme know if you get supplicant working |
| 04:07.11 | orakle | i've had enough messing around with scratchbox for one night |
| 04:07.13 | orakle | got class tomorrow |
| 04:07.53 | erstazi | yeah I am going to take a break from all this |
| 04:08.08 | erstazi | I never had this much trouble with installing a deb |
| 04:08.23 | erstazi | must be something odd about it, and this is a fresh install of this distro |
| 04:08.38 | erstazi | with all the required items I normally install |
| 04:18.40 | bldewolf | orakle, sure thing. I won't be able to really test it until tomorrow, though. |
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| 04:32.43 | erstazi | I got into scratchbox finally |
| 04:32.44 | erstazi | yay |
| 04:33.02 | erstazi | pupnik_, done deal, thanks for the heal and * (everyone) else |
| 04:33.17 | erstazi | I will read up tonight the docs |
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| 04:34.34 | pupnik_ | ok cheers |
| 04:35.51 | bldewolf | any idea if missing lsb-base>= 3.0-6 will cause significant problems? |
| 04:36.36 | erstazi | pupnik_, I appreciate your help though, it has made my experience with this community better than all the *nix communities I have been part of |
| 04:37.09 | erstazi | all of these people that contribute are overall very helpful |
| 04:39.19 | pupnik_ | you're welcome :) |
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| 04:40.15 | pupnik_ | dunno bldewolf - i found a lot of things missing compared to my debian box |
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| 04:42.51 | erstazi | what is a good way to find out the version of the OS on Nokia770? |
| 04:43.10 | erstazi | I want to know the version of maemo for say |
| 04:43.43 | MobileSim | Control Panel, About Device, I think. |
| 04:44.01 | nightwriter | tools => control panel => abou device |
| 04:44.04 | erstazi | thank you |
| 04:44.25 | nightwriter | dang I peck to slow |
| 04:44.49 | erstazi | heh |
| 04:45.22 | erstazi | ok, so IT OS 2006 with Version: 3.2006.49-2 means its maemo3 right? |
| 04:45.38 | erstazi | I am just clearing up what I think is right with what is right |
| 04:45.55 | nightwriter | version 3 of 2006 yes |
| 04:46.06 | pupnik_ | i think maemo is technically teh development environment |
| 04:46.13 | pupnik_ | and ITOS is the OS on the nokia tablets |
| 04:46.47 | pupnik_ | 3.0 usually refers to it2007 / bora |
| 04:47.03 | pupnik_ | 2.2 usually refers to it2006 |
| 04:48.19 | nightwriter | 2007 is version 4.xxxx |
| 04:48.19 | erstazi | ah |
| 04:48.35 | erstazi | yeah I wasn't sure about that |
| 04:48.54 | erstazi | because I see scratchbox-devkit-maemo3_1.0_i386.deb and I was wondering if I should grab that |
| 04:51.51 | nightwriter | In my case I'm in front of my n800 not laptop can't remember. |
| 04:52.04 | pupnik_ | i only have Package: scratchbox-devkit-debian Version: 1.0.7.1 |
| 04:52.05 | erstazi | nightwriter, I appreciate it anyways |
| 04:52.11 | erstazi | pupnik_, aye |
| 04:52.26 | erstazi | I have that as well |
| 04:53.25 | erstazi | pupnik_, which scratchbox-toolchain-arm-linux do you have? |
| 04:53.58 | pupnik_ | scratchbox-toolchain-cs2005q3.2-glibc-i386 - cs2005q3.2-glibc-i386 compiler for Scratchbox |
| 04:54.02 | pupnik_ | scratchbox-toolchain-cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm - cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm compiler for Scratchbox |
| 04:54.37 | pupnik_ | i only use the glibc-arm though |
| 04:56.18 | erstazi | ah |
| 04:57.32 | erstazi | pupnik_, thank you |
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| 05:15.42 | Chili2 | erstazi, I installed OS2007 |
| 05:17.03 | erstazi | ChanServ, how did it go so far? |
| 05:17.10 | erstazi | did you do dual boot? |
| 05:18.12 | Chili2 | no |
| 05:18.49 | Chili2 | Not sure about it ...seems a little slower than os2006 |
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| 05:27.09 | erstazi | Chili2 Chili you got a n770 right? |
| 05:27.18 | erstazi | OS2007 is optimized for a n800 more |
| 05:27.19 | erstazi | brb loo |
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| 05:30.43 | Chili | yup I got a n770 |
| 05:31.19 | erstazi | Chili, yeah, you can go with OS2007HE |
| 05:31.23 | erstazi | I hear better results |
| 05:31.30 | Chili | no I realised that it was really more suited for the n800, I wanted to see how usable it was |
| 05:31.51 | Chili | I think thats was I have |
| 05:32.25 | Chili | SU-18_2007HACKER_2.2006.47-17_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 05:35.21 | erstazi | yeah |
| 05:35.53 | N800 | born ultimatum, 2 thumbs up |
| 05:37.33 | N800 | or is that bourne |
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| 05:56.35 | MobileSim | Is there anything like Dia for Maemo? |
| 05:56.55 | MobileSim | (770) |
| 06:01.38 | erstazi | MobileSim, Dia? hmm what is Dia? |
| 06:01.52 | erstazi | a drawing app? |
| 06:02.34 | erstazi | MobileSim, http://michaels770.blogspot.com/2006/04/dia-drawing-program.html |
| 06:03.12 | erstazi | MobileSim, let me make that a tinyurl |
| 06:03.19 | erstazi | @tinyurl http://michaels770.blogspot.com/2006/04/dia-drawing-program.html |
| 06:03.47 | erstazi | MobileSim, http://tinyurl.com/2mkwo2 |
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| 06:07.19 | MobileSim | erstazi: Thanks, sorry, got distracted. |
| 06:17.37 | MobileSim | It's possible at the moment to create Maemo GUI apps completely in Python, right? |
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| 06:20.35 | bldewolf | I haven't done it but I think it's done in the guides |
| 06:20.52 | Chili | where is the mmc mounted? |
| 06:21.36 | MobileSim | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:22.20 | whaq | How much is (the average) effort to Hildonize a GTK app? |
| 06:22.29 | bldewolf | what file do I put the names of modules into to make them load on startup? |
| 06:22.42 | bldewolf | trying to automate the loading of the nfs modules |
| 06:22.47 | Chili | MobileSim, I didn't see /media for looking |
| 06:22.52 | Chili | rhanks |
| 06:23.40 | MobileSim | whaq, I think I read that it could be as trivial as changing just a handful of lines. |
| 06:24.01 | MobileSim | But I'm not certain on that. |
| 06:27.53 | MobileSim | The only real changes I could think of needing to be made are GUI redesigns (if you have, say, a 550px tall preferences window), and anything for x86-specific stuff needing to be redone for ARM. But I'm completely uncertain on that. |
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| 06:28.42 | Chili | how much of an issue is this n770 not ging into standby in os2007 |
| 06:41.54 | dpb_ | There is no n770.. it's just 770.. <.< |
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| 06:56.58 | MobileSim | So does no one know for sure if: |
| 06:57.06 | MobileSim | It's possible at the moment to create Maemo GUI apps completely in Python, right? |
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| 06:58.19 | timelyx | Luria: do you have hebrew fonts installed? (which) |
| 06:58.36 | Luria | yes |
| 06:58.50 | Luria | i ended up using the ms unicode arial |
| 06:59.01 | Luria | cause it was easy and sans serif |
| 06:59.17 | Luria | no problems on os2007 on n800 |
| 06:59.23 | Luria | except for opera |
| 06:59.45 | timelyx | Phil770_: what os ver and what .deb url didn't work correctly? (i can test from work) |
| 06:59.45 | Luria | which isnt doing rtl text, the fonts show up, but the words are backwards |
| 07:00.15 | Luria | microb handles it fine, its bugs notwidthstanding |
| 07:01.34 | timelyx | Luria: bugs? |
| 07:02.04 | timelyx | Luria: could you setup a normal linux w/ *only* arial and a standard minefield nightly and try to reproduce them? |
| 07:02.18 | timelyx | (I'd suggest using the same X server scratchbox people use) |
| 07:02.58 | timelyx | Luria: if the bugs don't happen there, please file |
| 07:03.11 | timelyx | https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=N800&component=Browser%20(Mozilla%20Engine)&format=guided&rep_platform=ARM&op_sys=Linux |
| 07:03.14 | Luria | timelyx, i mean bugs with microb. i should add there are a number of non nokia apps that have problems with hebrew |
| 07:03.16 | timelyx | be sure to include steps to get arial |
| 07:04.02 | Luria | well, i cant advise people to take a copy off windows |
| 07:04.17 | timelyx | Luria: isn't there a package? |
| 07:04.21 | Luria | but there are other unicode ttf fonts of various usable licenses |
| 07:04.23 | melmoth | MobileSim is is possible to create a gui app completly with python |
| 07:04.37 | timelyx | Luria: i don't really care which font you pick |
| 07:04.41 | timelyx | i just want precise results |
| 07:05.09 | timelyx | you can say cmd /c copy %systemroot%\fonts\fontname.ttf %nokiammc%:\ |
| 07:05.13 | MobileSim | melmoth, sweet! What about homepage apps? |
| 07:05.29 | timelyx | so long as it's precise and easy for me to setup the equivalent env |
| 07:05.38 | melmoth | the little applet in the desktop ? |
| 07:05.46 | MobileSim | Yeah. |
| 07:05.49 | melmoth | not right now as far as i know. |
| 07:05.53 | timelyx | we have wXP, and office 2003, so if the font is part of either of those, it's managable |
| 07:06.06 | melmoth | but i have read a blog entry showing how it will be so easy to do in a version to come |
| 07:06.12 | Luria | ah |
| 07:06.17 | Luria | one sec |
| 07:06.28 | timelyx | Luria: well, i'll go to work, if you file a bug, i'll get the mail |
| 07:06.38 | timelyx | i really don't want bug reports on irc |
| 07:07.00 | Luria | um nothing to report |
| 07:07.05 | timelyx | (i also don't want useless ones in the bug database; but as long as you provide *complete* steps in a bug report, i'll gladly follow them) |
| 07:07.16 | MobileSim | Excellent. Good to know. Guess that gives me some time to plan my apps well. :) |
| 07:07.21 | Luria | just was saying general bugs in microb. |
| 07:07.24 | MobileSim | Thanks. |
| 07:07.27 | Luria | not rtl bugs |
| 07:07.32 | timelyx | oh |
| 07:07.45 | timelyx | well, are the non rtl microb bugs filed? |
| 07:08.00 | timelyx | are these layout or interaction? |
| 07:08.02 | Luria | actually, from what i hear, many are fixed |
| 07:08.17 | timelyx | yeah, we've fixed the big ones ... |
| 07:08.22 | Luria | pop up keyboard, for example |
| 07:08.25 | timelyx | yeah |
| 07:08.28 | timelyx | that was *really* stupid |
| 07:08.44 | Luria | about:config is annoyinh |
| 07:08.44 | timelyx | on_any_key_up show_keyboard() |
| 07:08.52 | Luria | annoying |
| 07:08.58 | timelyx | Luria: i gave you the fix for that one, right? |
| 07:09.16 | Luria | yeah, but it doesnt help with snav, as we discussed |
| 07:09.31 | Luria | though searching works |
| 07:10.00 | Luria | btw, i suspect the problem with opera is that it simply doesnt have rtl locales |
| 07:10.33 | Luria | i didnt want to "add" one to my profile by undoing en_us |
| 07:10.43 | Luria | and switching to he_il |
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| 07:11.07 | melmoth | MobileSim, http://blogs.gnome.org/lucasr/2007/03/23/writing-a-hello-world-python-plugin-for-hildon-desktop-updated/ |
| 07:11.34 | Luria | i would like switchable inputs with mapping |
| 07:11.52 | Luria | like the accesibility mini keyboard in windows |
| 07:12.46 | Luria | i think the maemo wiki rtl how to used to cover it, but the how to changed from rtl support to complete localization |
| 07:13.30 | MobileSim | melmoth: Thanks a ton! |
| 07:16.52 | Luria | timelyx, |
| 07:16.57 | Luria | still here? |
| 07:16.58 | _Monkey | here is some possible optimisation http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?s=f36ab7429f0dfd231b93f6a8ddaaeb31&showtopic=37569 |
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| 07:23.16 | Luria | timelyx, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=63141&postcount=9 |
| 07:24.17 | Luria | i go with any 30000+ glyph ttf font |
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| 07:24.50 | Luria | ms arial unicode seems to have the biggest glyph set according to wikipedia |
| 07:31.28 | timelyx | yeah |
| 07:31.49 | timelyx | mini keyboards in windows? |
| 07:31.55 | timelyx | you mean osk.exe? |
| 07:33.41 | Luria | yes |
| 07:34.25 | Luria | where changes in local input are reflected in the virtual mapping |
| 07:34.39 | Luria | but you can toggle |
| 07:35.05 | timelyx | i'm used to strict manual toggle |
| 07:35.10 | Luria | can you set up a secondary locale/language in maemo? |
| 07:35.15 | timelyx | whenever the system keyboard changes on its own, i get annnoyed |
| 07:35.17 | timelyx | sure |
| 07:35.26 | timelyx | tap the stupid menu like button on the vkb |
| 07:35.31 | Luria | ah |
| 07:35.36 | timelyx | select something like tools or settings |
| 07:35.50 | timelyx | you can configure a second language |
| 07:36.13 | Luria | good, german would be nice, but hebrew better |
| 07:36.25 | Luria | where is the underlying change made? |
| 07:36.38 | timelyx | gconf? |
| 07:36.38 | Luria | ie is there a conf file somewhere? |
| 07:36.48 | timelyx | you need a vkb layout |
| 07:36.53 | Luria | thats what i thought |
| 07:36.55 | timelyx | i'm not sure anyone got around to making hebrew |
| 07:36.56 | Luria | i understand |
| 07:37.34 | Luria | i do like that hebrew rss feeds display correctly |
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| 07:38.55 | Luria | hmmm two languages only. |
| 07:38.58 | Luria | i can deal |
| 07:42.48 | timelyx | i worked so hard yesterday to add support for alternate roots |
| 07:42.57 | timelyx | today i figured out that what i'm doing doesn't make sense |
| 07:47.39 | timelyx | oh well |
| 07:47.49 | timelyx | shalom; lehitraot |
| 07:49.20 | Luria | lehit' |
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| 08:08.36 | erstazi | hello pleemans, jyro, eichi |
| 08:08.48 | timeless | interesting |
| 08:09.03 | erstazi | timelE61i, ? |
| 08:09.09 | erstazi | timeless, ? |
| 08:09.09 | _Monkey | i guess timeless, is there a way for the user to choose between rdf and atom feeds? |
| 08:09.15 | erstazi | stupid tab |
| 08:09.24 | timeless | erstazi: i'll respond to both |
| 08:09.33 | timeless | although i will find it at least slightly odd when you pick the wrong one :) |
| 08:09.34 | erstazi | ah, ok |
| 08:09.59 | erstazi | timeless, the tab key selects the other first (: I just have to select tab twice |
| 08:11.35 | timeless | anyway, youl almost have my attn, what's up? :) |
| 08:11.39 | timeless | _monkey forget me |
| 08:11.39 | _Monkey | timeless, I didn't have anything matching me |
| 08:11.44 | timeless | _monkey forget timeless |
| 08:11.44 | _Monkey | timeless: I forgot timeless |
| 08:12.04 | erstazi | timeless, just curious about "interesting" |
| 08:12.07 | timeless | _monkey timele61i is timeless using a nokia e61i (blueberry) |
| 08:12.08 | _Monkey | ...but timele61i is well, timelyx's phone... |
| 08:12.26 | timeless | _monkey timele61i is also timeless using a nokia e61i (blueberry) |
| 08:12.26 | _Monkey | okay, timeless. |
| 08:12.32 | timeless | _monkey timelyx |
| 08:12.33 | _Monkey | timelyx is timelyx's mac, it has scrollback |
| 08:12.42 | timeless | hey, that rhymes :) |
| 08:12.44 | erstazi | heh |
| 08:13.13 | erstazi | timeless, are you not GMT +2? |
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| 08:13.21 | erstazi | hello Abulafia |
| 08:13.32 | timeless | _monkey: I am a browser developer working for nokia on the maemo browser (microb). also a mozilla contributor |
| 08:13.33 | _Monkey | OK, timeless. |
| 08:13.41 | timeless | i think DST means +3 |
| 08:13.45 | timeless | but i'm not sure |
| 08:14.27 | eichi | hi erstazi |
| 08:14.38 | erstazi | timeless, is microb on the n800? |
| 08:14.44 | timeless | yes |
| 08:14.56 | erstazi | ah |
| 08:14.59 | timeless | it's our groups pretty name for the browser we beta'd |
| 08:15.01 | erstazi | is that gecko based? |
| 08:15.08 | timeless | well, officially we didn't beta |
| 08:15.18 | timeless | we just made a public announcement that people are free to test it |
| 08:15.25 | timeless | beta has some other meaning |
| 08:15.25 | erstazi | awesome |
| 08:15.26 | timeless | ... |
| 08:16.08 | timeless | _monkey microb is the nokia sponsored gtk2-cairo hack of gecko for use by /usr/bin/browser via eal on n800 (4.2007) |
| 08:16.08 | _Monkey | OK, timeless. |
| 08:16.19 | erstazi | ah |
| 08:17.45 | N800 | what is microb? |
| 08:17.46 | _Monkey | microb is the nokia sponsored gtk2-cairo hack of gecko for use by /usr/bin/browser via eal on n800 (4.2007) |
| 08:17.49 | N800 | it werks |
| 08:19.09 | erstazi | what is vim? |
| 08:19.10 | _Monkey | well, vim is A hardcore text editor. This package supports syntax highlighting, xterm mouse, spell checking, online help, UTF-8, etc. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/vim/ |
| 08:19.14 | erstazi | I just added that |
| 08:24.17 | maddler | morning all |
| 08:26.07 | erstazi | hello maddler |
| 08:31.26 | erstazi | how are you maddler? |
| 08:33.28 | zuh | timeless: gtk2-cairo? Where does the cairo part come into play? I thought it specifically was non-cairo... |
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| 08:34.36 | erstazi | hello __shawn |
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| 08:40.27 | AD-N770 | good morning |
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| 08:55.29 | erstazi | hello AD-N770 |
| 08:55.38 | erstazi | morning Chili |
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| 09:16.10 | konttori | sweet. Nokia seems to have a new thumb dpad in the prism series phones. |
| 09:16.12 | konttori | http://www.nokiaprism.com/gallery/02.jpg |
| 09:16.24 | konttori | http://www.nokiaprism.com/gallery/04.jpg |
| 09:16.32 | konttori | Looks almost usable. |
| 09:16.36 | maddler | OMG! |
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| 09:16.45 | maddler | looks unusuable to me... |
| 09:17.24 | konttori | it looks bigger than normal stick dpads, so it might work. Depends on the internal design of the pad. |
| 09:17.34 | konttori | also depends on how slippery the surface is |
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| 09:18.26 | erstazi | thats crazy |
| 09:18.41 | erstazi | isn't that patented? |
| 09:18.51 | konttori | what is? |
| 09:18.59 | erstazi | the thumb dpad |
| 09:19.21 | erstazi | maybe I am hallucinating, but I swear I saw that done before in a phone |
| 09:19.22 | maddler | dunno... I keep liking standard keypads... |
| 09:19.27 | konttori | Hmm.. no idea. I do know that some previous nokia phones have had thumb dpads as well |
| 09:19.27 | erstazi | yeah |
| 09:19.49 | erstazi | ok well it probably was nokia that I saw it done with |
| 09:20.04 | konttori | I would love if nokia would just choose the traditional dpad model from original NES. |
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| 09:20.15 | greygoo | moin |
| 09:20.45 | konttori | Or well, any rocking model would be great if it has good enough surface. |
| 09:21.25 | erstazi | howdy greygoo |
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| 09:23.25 | X-Fade | konttori: The 7650 had something like that too. Worked great. |
| 09:23.38 | konttori | true. |
| 09:23.45 | X-Fade | http://europe.nokia.com/A4143428 |
| 09:24.01 | konttori | it's not as good as a game pad controller, but still much better than the current generation nokia pads. |
| 09:24.10 | X-Fade | I had that phone and the rocker never failed me ;) |
| 09:24.35 | whaq | what kind of games do u guys wanna play w/ that pad? |
| 09:24.50 | konttori | I fail ton understand why they don't use that kind of pad more often. Maybe it's more pricy or something. |
| 09:25.20 | konttori | whaq: not even games. It's for all pad actions. current one is just uncomfortable to use IMHO. |
| 09:25.41 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 09:25.53 | whaq | ahh |
| 09:25.57 | greygoo | what pads are you talking about ? |
| 09:26.01 | whaq | morning Jaffa |
| 09:26.01 | konttori | dpads |
| 09:26.30 | konttori | direction button / pad. |
| 09:26.33 | whaq | square vs round 'pads' preference? which do u think work better? |
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| 09:27.06 | maddler | Jaffa: morning, dude |
| 09:27.24 | konttori | what do you mean by round? |
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| 09:27.32 | greygoo | mh, i guess i don;t play often enough to have a preference |
| 09:28.05 | whaq | the control pad on phones.. they come in various shapes.. plus sign, square\rect, and sound round\oval |
| 09:28.18 | whaq | s\sound\some |
| 09:28.25 | maddler | whaq: square and rounds are both fine... just I have to "feel" the key-press... |
| 09:28.31 | konttori | I would prefer a pad that I can use so that once I put my thumb on the pad, I can press any direction easily without moving my thumb to a different position by raising it first from the pad surface. |
| 09:28.59 | konttori | the current dpad on n800 is such that I have to take off my thumb to press down after I have first pressed up. |
| 09:29.07 | konttori | same applies to left /right as well. |
| 09:29.28 | konttori | So, it doesn't function at all as a dpad. It's more like separate arrow keys |
| 09:29.38 | konttori | and that's what I would call a bad dpad. |
| 09:30.08 | greygoo | mh, i never play games on n800 with the buttons it has in the case, got some cheapshit bluetooth gamecontroller for the few times i need to play. However, got that 'cause i feared playing games using the internal buttons might wear them off somhow |
| 09:30.14 | konttori | now, consider the prism dpan / stick. It's easy to press it in any direction once you have put your finger on it. |
| 09:31.18 | nomis | I kind of like the dpad on the 6300. |
| 09:31.19 | whaq | konttori: yeah, the rocker type. |
| 09:31.33 | konttori | Also, if you consider prism pad, it's very small. What that means is that next maemo device might be smaller as well, as the dpad wouldn't need to take that much room from the left side of the device. |
| 09:31.56 | konttori | You mean this: http://europe.nokia.com/A4254241 |
| 09:32.05 | konttori | I haven't tried that. |
| 09:32.13 | nomis | yeah. |
| 09:32.49 | nomis | it is not optimal, but works OK. |
| 09:33.10 | konttori | I hope it's better than on n800. |
| 09:33.42 | konttori | I have nokia 6131 and it has a pretty bad pad as well. |
| 09:33.50 | nomis | it definitely has better defined clicks. |
| 09:34.02 | greygoo | http://www.pearl.de/pearl.jsp?redir=yes&screenX=2560&screenY=1024 <- this works nice, although i guess you would consider the pad itself crap, its good enough to play bomberman |
| 09:34.12 | konttori | can you use it without moving your thumb at all? |
| 09:34.22 | nomis | konttori: no. |
| 09:34.28 | whaq | the pad on Palm Treos are good |
| 09:34.39 | nomis | greygoo: that link is bogus. |
| 09:34.56 | greygoo | nomis: jepp, sorry |
| 09:34.59 | nomis | greygoo: and you have a dual monitor setup :) |
| 09:35.11 | greygoo | yepp, not sorry ;) |
| 09:35.16 | whaq | yeah |
| 09:35.43 | nomis | the pearl website is one of the most stupid sites I ever encountered. |
| 09:35.51 | greygoo | http://www.pearl.de/product.jsp?pdid=HZ1400&catid=8862&vid=916&curr=DEM |
| 09:35.59 | greygoo | this one should work |
| 09:36.17 | greygoo | nomis: full ack about the website, only conrad.de is worse imho |
| 09:36.28 | greygoo | or was, haven't visited it for years |
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| 09:36.53 | nomis | greygoo: conrad still is pretty stupid. Although not as braindead as pearl IMHO. |
| 09:37.18 | greygoo | once conrad was worse, don;t ask, i don;t wanna think of it ;) |
| 09:37.30 | nomis | heh, that gamepad is funny. |
| 09:38.14 | whaq | heh, conrad has a pretty good product selection. the only 'toy'shop i visited while in german. |
| 09:38.55 | greygoo | nomis: it just not really fits the n800, so i use it not wrapped around but seperately |
| 09:39.29 | nomis | greygoo: is it a regular bluetooth HID input device? |
| 09:40.12 | greygoo | nomis: i think iots bt serial, worked with kbdd |
| 09:40.13 | amr_ | mplayer crashes about 2 minutes into a movie, it played it fine a couple days ago |
| 09:40.23 | greygoo | but some time ago i sat it up and i don;t use it often |
| 09:40.28 | amr_ | but i have to take out the battery to get back to normal |
| 09:41.15 | greygoo | nomis: and the overall quality of the pad/buttons - i'd say for occasional games ok, but i'd not recommend this to some pro console gamer |
| 09:41.44 | nomis | greygoo: yeah, not surprised by that. |
| 09:41.52 | greygoo | i mean, its pearl ... |
| 09:43.10 | erstazi | I need a vacation |
| 09:45.17 | greygoo | jupp |
| 09:50.42 | koen | MDK: I just build hildon-1 against a stock gtk+! |
| 09:50.50 | koen | I did need this: |
| 09:50.52 | koen | - GTK_BUTTONBOX_CENTER); |
| 09:50.52 | koen | + GTK_BUTTONBOX_DEFAULT); |
| 09:51.05 | koen | gtk 2.10.14 doesn't seem to have GTK_BUTTONBOX_CENTER |
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| 09:51.21 | Abulafia | vim is the best |
| 09:51.33 | Abulafia | oops, scrollbaaaack |
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| 10:03.09 | Luria | anyone know of a non-smartphone that does egprs/class 10 edge. 3g a plus. |
| 10:04.31 | pupnik | greygoo: that is a good price - thanks for the pearl link |
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| 10:05.47 | gla55 | Luria: why non-smartphone? |
| 10:06.03 | gla55 | luria: i'd imagine that any newish nokia s40 phone would fit that bill |
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| 10:09.55 | Luria | battery life |
| 10:10.03 | Luria | i want a phone+modem for my n800 |
| 10:10.20 | pupnik | greygoo: do you have experience with the pad? (it looks like you do) what bluetooth profile do you use? |
| 10:11.10 | erstazi | Luria, gizmo is pretty nice (: |
| 10:11.32 | Luria | gizmo only works with a net connection |
| 10:11.40 | Luria | hence class 10 grps |
| 10:11.45 | X-Fade | ads: An informal discussion group. Unlike Special Interest Groups or Working groups, BoFs are informal and often formed in an ad-hoc manner. The acronym is used by the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) to denote initial meetings of members interested in a particular issue. |
| 10:11.55 | X-Fade | Ehmz sorry wrong window:) |
| 10:11.59 | Luria | in fact, 3+2 is probably better than 4+1 |
| 10:12.10 | Luria | anyone here in nyc? |
| 10:12.30 | erstazi | Luria, this is true but anymore where is there not a wifi connection in an urban setting? |
| 10:12.55 | Luria | in nyc wpa/wep is pretty common |
| 10:12.55 | pupnik | there are only a couple of open wlans where i live |
| 10:13.09 | erstazi | Luria, this is true as well |
| 10:13.24 | Luria | to wit, from my apt, i get 40aps, with 2 open |
| 10:13.40 | Luria | and im on the 12th floor |
| 10:14.13 | erstazi | people are wising up |
| 10:14.48 | Luria | hmmm.... s40 phones dont seem to be quadband |
| 10:15.45 | erstazi | Luria, another issue is, Data plans for cellphones are outrageous in the US, when I was in Europe, Data plans were very inexpensive |
| 10:16.00 | gla55 | Luria: some of them are quad |
| 10:16.21 | Luria | for low intesity use, the +$20 plan on att isnt bad |
| 10:16.29 | Luria | gla55, do you know which? |
| 10:16.36 | gla55 | Luria: for example http://forum.nokia.com/devices/6085 |
| 10:16.43 | Luria | thanks |
| 10:17.09 | gla55 | Luria: though, it sucks that on the forum.nokia.com page there isn't the gprs class mentioned.. that stuff is on the nokia.com produt details pages |
| 10:17.26 | gla55 | otherwise forum is a lot better place to check for phone specs |
| 10:17.31 | gla55 | less flash marketing crap |
| 10:17.37 | Luria | found it on phonescoop.com |
| 10:18.06 | Luria | 6086 has uma... neat |
| 10:20.08 | Luria | oh phonescoop has a kick ass phone search |
| 10:20.41 | gla55 | if you're in usa you might want to get a phone with usa 3g band support |
| 10:21.20 | gla55 | some samsung or something.. just be sure you can tether it with bt |
| 10:24.10 | Luria | yeah, that would suck :-) |
| 10:25.27 | gla55 | "unlimited usage!!!! but pls, only browse our intranet with the built in shitbrowser" |
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| 10:27.36 | bigkevmcd | and if you use more than the unlimited amount, they reserve the right to penalise you |
| 10:27.38 | Luria | well, its the same as the iphone package |
| 10:32.00 | gla55 | gotta love unlimited 3g for 10e month.. |
| 10:32.19 | gla55 | really unlimited not that pussy ass 4gb or so "unlimited" |
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| 10:41.05 | Phil770_ | hmm, a quickish question, |
| 10:41.39 | Phil770_ | has anyone else ever had any trouble getting DHCP to work when connecting to an AP which has both MAC address filtering and WEP enabled ? |
| 10:41.48 | Phil770_ | Actually the WEP part is probably irellevant |
| 10:42.18 | Phil770_ | the 770's MAC has of course been entered into the AP's access list...but it's still giving me grief and I can't figure out why. |
| 10:47.04 | script | Phil770_: had the same setup for a while, worked |
| 10:47.18 | Phil770_ | damn. |
| 10:47.41 | script | Phil770_: just dhcp broken? |
| 10:47.54 | script | sounds a bit odd |
| 10:48.18 | Phil770_ | It always connects wit the message 'Local Link' with the ? sign over the connection, running /sbin/ifconfig reveals wlan0 has no IP, and wlan 0:1 has th 169.blah IP you get when DHCP hasn't given you an IP. |
| 10:48.28 | Phil770_ | If I force a valid IP on the network, it doesn't work either |
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| 10:50.20 | script | Phil770_: so you should check the logs of your ap |
| 10:50.41 | script | Phil770_: and triple-check the mac |
| 10:55.39 | Phil770_ | I've quadruple checked the MAC, both from the GUI on the phone and via ifconfig |
| 10:55.43 | Phil770_ | it's defientely set right. |
| 10:56.43 | rwhitby | Phil770_: I have that with an AP running recent dnsmasq versions. I was able to get it to work by setting a dhcp-host setting in the AP with a non-infinite lease. |
| 10:56.54 | qgil | Testing this nice-looking pidgin on IRC... |
| 10:56.54 | Phil770_ | the AP doesn't do logging for anything useful like that. It's annoying it works everywhere else. I suppose I was just wondering if there was a general problem that was known about. I'll try disabling MAC control and/or WEP for a few mins to see if it helsp |
| 10:57.06 | Phil770_ | qgil: how are you finding it ? |
| 10:57.22 | Phil770_ | Generally I'd use Xchat for the 770 or just terminal/ssh/screen/irssi |
| 10:57.25 | rwhitby | For some reason the n800 didn't like the '0' which dnsmasq was returning for the lease period, and continued to try and get a lease. |
| 10:57.47 | Phil770_ | the only trouble with using irssi is there is no ALT or Esc key so you have to keep typing /win foo |
| 10:58.14 | Dasajev | or Ctrl+N/Ctrl+P |
| 10:58.17 | qgil | Phil770_: i'm in my first 3 minutes, so... |
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| 11:00.50 | erstazi | Phil770_, you have xterm advanced right? |
| 11:01.17 | Phil770_ | I just installed some package from some repository, I paid no attention to the version |
| 11:01.56 | erstazi | xterm? |
| 11:01.56 | _Monkey | xterm is reinstallable |
| 11:02.00 | erstazi | ugh |
| 11:02.14 | erstazi | xterm? |
| 11:02.15 | _Monkey | it has been said that xterm is the enhanced version of osso-xterm from maemo-hackers. It adds font and color selection support, URL opening through context menu, and a sidebar with additional keys such as Ctrl+letters. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/osso-xterm-advanced |
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| 11:09.15 | Phil770_ | _Monkey: I'm using that one then :) |
| 11:09.16 | _Monkey | Phil770_: huh? |
| 11:09.30 | erstazi | haha |
| 11:09.36 | Phil770_ | oh, it's a bot |
| 11:09.38 | Phil770_ | I had no idea |
| 11:09.41 | erstazi | yeah |
| 11:09.49 | Chili | anyone use fbreader here |
| 11:09.58 | erstazi | I have been feeding it answers through PM (: |
| 11:10.02 | erstazi | fbreader? |
| 11:10.02 | _Monkey | somebody said fbreader was a e-book reader originally written for Zaurus platform. Supported formats are: FB2, plain text, html, rtf, chm, plucker. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/fbreader/ |
| 11:10.12 | erstazi | Chili, a lot of people love that app |
| 11:10.27 | Chili | its a ebook reader app |
| 11:10.34 | erstazi | I mean, you can like an app, but it seems that people are in love with it |
| 11:10.35 | Chili | no .lit |
| 11:10.36 | erstazi | oh I know |
| 11:11.06 | pupnik | hmm i have |
| 11:11.08 | erstazi | I have used it a few times |
| 11:11.12 | pupnik | osso-xterm 0.13.mh24 |
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| 11:11.37 | erstazi | Chili2, wb |
| 11:11.50 | erstazi | I used it last night to read The Machine Stops |
| 11:12.19 | pupnik | did you like it? |
| 11:12.48 | erstazi | over all, it does its duty and completes the mission |
| 11:12.49 | erstazi | so yes |
| 11:12.59 | erstazi | I don't usually love an application though (: |
| 11:13.08 | pupnik | i mean the story |
| 11:13.30 | pupnik | i read it in 1985 so it was still science fiction then :) |
| 11:14.00 | erstazi | it was written in 1909 so its amazing how he could be thinking on that parallel |
| 11:14.10 | pupnik | i agree |
| 11:14.13 | erstazi | very amazing actually |
| 11:14.41 | erstazi | he has a different writing style though for his time, and even our time (: |
| 11:14.44 | MDK | koen: patches? ;) |
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| 11:36.27 | Mikho | they will never fix maemo.org |
| 11:36.32 | Mikho | i'm convinced |
| 11:37.26 | Mikho | If the links to api specifications are broken for over two months, it's never going to get fixed |
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| 11:41.01 | W_I | Mikho: which links |
| 11:41.38 | Mikho | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/apis/2-x/ |
| 11:42.31 | W_I | hildon-libs seems to be the only one, with a quick look |
| 11:42.36 | W_I | right? |
| 11:43.02 | Mikho | well, maemo.org is full of that kind of stuff |
| 11:44.17 | X-Fade | Mikho: We are working of fixing the documentation. It is just going slow these months because of the summer holidays. |
| 11:45.11 | X-Fade | Mikho: As you know .fi is shut down during summer ;) |
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| 11:46.11 | erstazi | X-Fade, what wiki do yinz use? |
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| 11:47.24 | Mikho | Indeed one gets the idea the whole project is shut down. But since it's not... good. |
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| 11:48.39 | Mikho | in the meanwhile, could someone point me to the correct location of hildon-libs specification? |
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| 11:55.04 | erstazi | X-Fade_, I am not sure you saw what I typed, do you mind if I repeat it? |
| 11:55.26 | erstazi | I notice now its the midgard CMS |
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| 11:58.29 | X-Fade_ | erstazi: I think I missed it due to the reconnect of my adsl line.. |
| 11:59.21 | erstazi | X-Fade, I figured, I am sorry (: |
| 11:59.49 | X-Fade_ | No, I am... sucky provider, disconnecting me once every 24 hours.. |
| 12:00.43 | whaq | http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/06/nes-emulator-released-for-the-iphone/ |
| 12:00.50 | Mikho | X-Fade, do you know where I could find the hildon-libs api specification? The Maemo 2.2 tutorial is all the information I have of hildon atm |
| 12:04.22 | X-Fade_ | Mikho: I only know this one: http://maemo.org/api_refs/3.0/hildon-docs/hildon-libs/ |
| 12:05.06 | Mikho | hm, have to keep in mind it's a different version |
| 12:05.09 | Mikho | but thanks |
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| 12:05.37 | X-Fade_ | Mikho: They do mention the deprecated symbols, so maybe that helps? |
| 12:06.31 | Mikho | let's see. I'll complain more if it doesn't :) |
| 12:06.36 | X-Fade_ | Mikho: And perhaps this can be helpful too: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/hildonmigrationoverview/ |
| 12:07.08 | X-Fade_ | Although you need to read that one in the other direction ;) |
| 12:07.19 | Mikho | looks good |
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| 12:30.10 | konttori | has everybody seen nes emu on iphone? |
| 12:30.11 | konttori | http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/06/nes-emulator-released-for-the-iphone/ |
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| 12:32.36 | greygoo | whats the iphone? |
| 12:32.37 | _Monkey | the iphone is a flashy interface made to suck money out of people on outdated technology and walled gardens |
| 12:33.14 | bigkevmcd | mmmm... |
| 12:33.38 | konttori | not exacly usable yet, but... with touch screen it should be possible to detect thumb pressure changes on the screen as well. Imagine putting your thumb on the screen and pressing it up/down, left and right. That should change the pressure detection matrix in a way that even on n800 it should be possible to detect up/down/left/right movement. Even the middle directions. Maybe someone should make a virtual dpad implementation (just as |
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| 12:45.10 | alehandro | hello all |
| 12:45.42 | kriebz | hello |
| 12:45.52 | greygoo | hi kriebz alehandro |
| 12:45.55 | alehandro | i'am new developer by maemo and i have some questions ;) |
| 12:46.43 | greygoo | i'm a clueless n800 user who knows linux from its desktop :) |
| 12:46.49 | greygoo | s/its/his/ |
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| 12:47.11 | greygoo | nice, never got used to bots ... |
| 12:47.51 | alehandro | after build my package in maemo 3.0, i want install it on nokia770, but install manager give me some error. ok. i rebuild package on to maemo 2.2 and try again |
| 12:48.04 | greygoo | i'd do that |
| 12:48.23 | alehandro | then install manager give me message about incorrect architecture... |
| 12:48.30 | greygoo | also installing it on the commandline in xterm with dpkg gives way more usefull info than the packagemanager. |
| 12:48.31 | alehandro | arm, not armel |
| 12:49.05 | pupnik | it2006 uses armel |
| 12:49.16 | pupnik | 2005 arm |
| 12:49.18 | Phil770_ | ok this sucks a bit... I am running the chat client to conect to a jabber server, and pidgin to connect to MSN. I now don't have enough memory left to open a web browser. |
| 12:49.20 | greygoo | i don;'t have an 770 so no clue whats special about it, all i know that some 770 packages are arm packageas that my n800 refused as wrong arch |
| 12:49.31 | Phil770_ | Why would two chat apps eat All my memory ? |
| 12:49.52 | pupnik | correct greygoo those 'arm' apps are for it2005 and won't work on any modern tablet OS |
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| 12:50.24 | kriebz | Phil770_: I don't know what the memory footprint is for Pidgin |
| 12:50.27 | kriebz | probably a lot |
| 12:50.32 | greygoo | kriebz: a lot |
| 12:50.38 | kriebz | tell your lame friends not to use MSN |
| 12:50.53 | Phil770_ | I mostly use IRC but it's nice to have connections to multiple systems open |
| 12:50.56 | kriebz | also, you can enable swap in the memory control panel |
| 12:51.01 | Phil770_ | aha, can you now ! |
| 12:51.05 | Phil770_ | that's just what I wanted to know. |
| 12:51.29 | kriebz | if you have free space on your MMC |
| 12:51.34 | kriebz | which is likely |
| 12:51.37 | Phil770_ | does it screw up the flash memory though, if you're using limited write-cycle memory for virtual ram ? |
| 12:51.43 | kriebz | heh |
| 12:51.58 | Phil770_ | I'm still running with the 64MB included card today, tomorrow I have 2x 1GB cards arriving |
| 12:52.00 | kriebz | "limited write cycle" is like 1,000,000 these days |
| 12:52.16 | Phil770_ | well yeah...but how often will it rewrite stuff while its swapping |
| 12:52.36 | kriebz | you got big (memory) cards that fit in a 770? |
| 12:52.54 | greygoo | with the current SD card prices i really do not care3 at all about liftime of the cards |
| 12:53.07 | Phil770_ | 1GB cards seem to be the limit, I've heard of 2GB cards but never seen any |
| 12:53.14 | kriebz | except the 770 takes stupid small cards |
| 12:53.25 | greygoo | i got an 8gb card in my n800, works since latest update |
| 12:53.27 | greygoo | 80 euro |
| 12:53.28 | kriebz | (greygoo) |
| 12:53.33 | Phil770_ | small as in form factor or is there a limit on how much memory it can address ? |
| 12:53.41 | alehandro | and what i can build correct package for nokia770, with 'armel' architecture. i install maemo-2.2 following on maemo.org site instruction...but result package name 'nokianx_0.5-1_arm.deb', not 'armel' architecture |
| 12:53.44 | Phil770_ | I ordere 2x 1GB rs-mmc cards |
| 12:53.52 | greygoo | i think the 770 can take up to 2gb, afaik above is all SDHC |
| 12:54.07 | Phil770_ | what does the n800 take then ? |
| 12:54.32 | greygoo | with latest OS revision the n800 can take upt o 2x 8GB |
| 12:54.54 | Phil770_ | what slots does it have ? |
| 12:55.17 | greygoo | 2x SD/MMC slot |
| 12:55.26 | kriebz | ooh |
| 12:55.26 | greygoo | one internal, one external |
| 12:55.35 | kriebz | sketch web site with cheap cards |
| 12:55.42 | kriebz | http://shop.vendio.com/eavyexpress/item/936349399/?s=1186394402 |
| 12:56.02 | pupnik | my 770 has 8 times the storage of my old $6000 NeXTStation |
| 12:56.06 | kriebz | nevermind... $27 shipping |
| 12:56.22 | greygoo | however, 1GB is about 10 - 20 euro here in my town, so if that breaks i really don;t care at all |
| 12:56.45 | Phil770_ | true, it's nice and cheap these days |
| 12:57.01 | Phil770_ | the only thing is, rs-mmc is hard to come buy, none of the electronic stores around here sell any |
| 12:57.12 | Phil770_ | they just do SD, XD, CF and Memory Stick |
| 12:57.46 | gla55 | mmc-mobile should fit the bill |
| 12:58.07 | greygoo | mmc = multimedia card? |
| 12:58.12 | Phil770_ | yeah |
| 12:58.21 | greygoo | i never got the difference between mmc and sd. |
| 12:58.25 | gla55 | yeah 770 uses it.. the rs version |
| 12:58.30 | Phil770_ | the 770 taking rs-mmc which is half sized but still fairly big by modern standards |
| 12:58.50 | greygoo | and here (nuremberg, germany) most shops have the same amount of mmc and sd cards, similar prices, mmc maybe like 5% more |
| 12:58.57 | gw280 | greygoo: SD has extra pins for it to transfer data faster, is a proprietary standard and has some sort of encryption |
| 12:59.12 | greygoo | ah "secure" i get it .... |
| 13:00.05 | greygoo | lol, I'm supposed to work here i guess ... however the browser freezes constantly over the page i'm supposed to work with. Great |
| 13:01.36 | greygoo | ah, ok - rs stands for reduced size, I think what i said is only true for mmc cards ... |
| 13:01.47 | greygoo | a bit slow today |
| 13:02.53 | gla55 | and dv-rs mmc has extra pins and mobile i think too.. but they work fine in rs-mmc using device |
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| 13:04.44 | amr | why is it mplayer gets so far into a movie (about 2 seconds) then freezes my entire device? |
| 13:04.52 | amr | i have to take out the battery to restart it |
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| 13:05.32 | pupnik | you should be able to exit by hitting the escape button (circle arrow) and waiting several seconds (sometimes 15 or more) |
| 13:05.47 | amr | ill try that again |
| 13:06.07 | pupnik | sometimes i get a problem after a couple of seconds, hit escape, wait, then restart the movie and it plays fine |
| 13:06.30 | amr | how long should a file take to start playing btw |
| 13:06.51 | pupnik | i found it depends on codec but it's generally quite a few seconds |
| 13:06.59 | amr | not started playing yet |
| 13:07.14 | amr | its just gone fullscreen with a blank screen |
| 13:07.25 | alehandro | is there developers? |
| 13:08.44 | amr | still no joy |
| 13:09.13 | amr | pressing the escape button flashed the screen though |
| 13:10.00 | pupnik | do you have the movie you are playing on a linux pc also? try "file movie.avi" to get some basic data |
| 13:10.11 | pupnik | Hamlet__Laurence_Olivier__German__N770.avi: RIFF (little-endian) data, AVI, 400 x 240, 25.00 fps, video: DivX 4, audio: MPEG-1 Layer 3 (mono, 44100 Hz) |
| 13:10.24 | alehandro | How can i build correct package for nokia770, with 'armel' architecture. I install maemo-2.2 following on maemo.org site instruction...but result package name 'nokianx_0.5-1_arm.deb', not 'armel' architecture. On maemo-3.0 all successful, but package on device not insallied, because incorrect libraries version |
| 13:10.30 | amr | pressing the escape key again gave a purple rectangle on the screen now in the top elft |
| 13:10.32 | amr | left* |
| 13:10.58 | pupnik | that's mplayer choking on your file while the XSP pixel doubling is still active |
| 13:10.58 | amr | now a whiteish square in the top right |
| 13:10.58 | alehandro | ? |
| 13:11.12 | amr | aha, now im back to the home screen |
| 13:11.16 | amr | well, part of it |
| 13:11.17 | pupnik | alehandro: you have probably an old it2005 environment installed in scratchbox |
| 13:11.45 | pupnik | alehandro: unfortunately there are still some old outdated howtos on-line |
| 13:11.48 | amr | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:12.10 | pupnik | hmm, mplayer should be happy with that :( |
| 13:12.16 | amr | i used 'media convertor' to convert it |
| 13:12.20 | amr | it has played before in the past |
| 13:12.35 | amr | the screen is completely white now, except for the top bar bit where it says GMPlauncher |
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| 13:13.21 | greygoo | alehandro: i'd like to help but never did anything with pre 3.0 SDK, sorry. And I'm not very familiar to building debian packages as well, i usually just use them, sorry |
| 13:13.41 | amr | lol, the message that it isnt responding popped up, back to home screen |
| 13:14.14 | alehandro | <pupnik> but what correct environment i should install for ... Where can i find correctly 770 environment FAQ? you now? google not help me ;)) |
| 13:14.37 | amr | hmm |
| 13:15.16 | greygoo | pupnik: there are different SDKS for IT2005 and IT2006 i guess, maybe point him to the SDK for 2006 which if i understand correctly, does use arnel and not arm as arch? |
| 13:17.33 | pupnik | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_2.2_Tutorial.html |
| 13:18.02 | alehandro | i learn it ;) |
| 13:18.09 | alehandro | it's some buggy ;) |
| 13:18.15 | greygoo | my browser is just frozen since 15 minutes |
| 13:18.24 | greygoo | 5 more to go untill i can do the next click |
| 13:18.32 | pupnik | i think maybe you have wrong rootstrap? |
| 13:18.41 | greygoo | just can't search anything else, all instances freeze :( |
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| 13:19.20 | alehandro | pupnik, /scratchbox/packages/Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.2_armel-rootstrap.tgz |
| 13:19.44 | pupnik | yes this is the one i use |
| 13:20.04 | alehandro | [sbox-SDK_ARMEL22: ~] > dpkg --print-architecture |
| 13:20.04 | alehandro | dpkg: warning, architecture `arm-none-linux-gnueabi' not in remapping table |
| 13:20.04 | alehandro | arm-none-linux-gnueabi |
| 13:20.20 | alehandro | dislike me ) |
| 13:20.26 | pupnik | dpkg --print-architecture |
| 13:20.26 | pupnik | armel |
| 13:20.59 | alehandro | sb-conf select SDK_ARMEL |
| 13:21.03 | alehandro | [sbox-SDK_ARMEL: ~] > dpkg --print-architecture |
| 13:21.04 | alehandro | armel |
| 13:21.20 | pupnik | how did you fix this? |
| 13:21.22 | alehandro | SDK_ARMEL22 -- maemo 2.2, SDK_ARMEL -- maemo 3.0 |
| 13:21.31 | pupnik | ah ok |
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| 13:22.05 | pupnik | for 2.2 i have Compiler: cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm Devkits: debian cputransp CPU-transparency: /scratchbox/devkits/cputransp/bin/qemu-arm-0.8.1-sb2 |
| 13:22.13 | greygoo | anyone here has n800 btw? I'm going insane on the usb host mode stuff and would just hear from somebody who got it working/ |
| 13:22.32 | alehandro | I myself would like to know how fix this ;) |
| 13:23.07 | alehandro | pupnik, yes, all well |
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| 13:25.05 | alehandro | I am confused, 2 times reinstall all environment, however it not help me ;( |
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| 13:30.58 | greygoo | alehandro: have you seen that page: http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo-2-2--gregale-.html |
| 13:31.57 | greygoo | I just rwelaize setting up the n800 SDKL is way easier, jst run a bunch of scripts and be happy .... |
| 13:32.46 | alehandro | for n800 all successful worked ;(( |
| 13:33.18 | alehandro | greygoo, yeah, i seen |
| 13:33.37 | greygoo | mh, can;t help you much, just never touched the old stuff, never hasd 770 |
| 13:34.22 | alehandro | ;) |
| 13:34.57 | alehandro | greygoo, customers forgive compatibility |
| 13:35.09 | alehandro | :-/ |
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| 13:35.22 | saiam | greygoo: what are you trying to do with the usb host mode? You need the modified usb-hub that provides power for the usb devices. |
| 13:35.41 | greygoo | saiam: also on n800, i read that this was only necessary on n770 |
| 13:36.40 | greygoo | i followed instructions from www.muru.com and everything worked fine, only usb host mode - or any other mode - does not work with the patched kernel. So i wondered if somebody else got it working and the documentation just missed some crucial step |
| 13:36.41 | saiam | hmm, I'm not sure about that. Actually I don't remember which device it was when i used that :) |
| 13:36.41 | Phil770_ | how much do you have to modify a usb hub..I've seen the injector designs, but would it work just to use a simple powered USB hub, using only 1 port, and some gender changer plugs/adapters ? |
| 13:37.42 | greygoo | my basic question is: as the muru website says that this can be enabled via sysfs as well i wonder if that is true, as i only tried that way up to now |
| 13:37.49 | saiam | greygoo: I doubt that it would work without external power supply. I think that at least the charger has to be connected. |
| 13:37.53 | greygoo | the patches and docs i used are from here: http://www.muru.com/linux/n800-usb-host/ |
| 13:38.35 | greygoo | saiam: yes, thts what i reead in some mail archives, but my problem is, dmesg does not even mention anything and i can't use the n800 in peripheral mode anymore as well |
| 13:38.52 | greygoo | like the usb port is dead - which he isn't as flashing the system still works as usual |
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| 13:39.11 | greygoo | so I'm puzzled and just wanted to hear from somebody else with n800 his experiences |
| 13:39.25 | alehandro | still all of you, will continue to study this problem |
| 13:39.43 | greygoo | this is what it says should work: |
| 13:39.47 | greygoo | "echo host > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode" |
| 13:40.17 | greygoo | and i just wanna know if thats just not working and i have to modify cables or hubs |
| 13:40.29 | saiam | Phil770_: I'm not an expert in this. But I think it doesn't work because the usb-hub doesn't give the power back to the N800. I didn't think about it too much, just connected the power wire to supply power to the Internet Tablet itself. |
| 13:41.53 | saiam | greygoo: When I used it, atleast setting up some usb-keyboard and usb-ethernet connector was trivial and I wasn't required to do anything. |
| 13:42.02 | saiam | (after I had modified the usb-hub) |
| 13:42.24 | saiam | (and of course the ethernet-adapter needed some configuration) |
| 13:42.42 | saiam | but the keyboard worke straight away in xterm |
| 13:43.46 | greygoo | USB VBUS POWER LIMITATIONS |
| 13:43.46 | greygoo | For most USB devices you need to connect the N800 to a powered USB hub. N800 |
| 13:43.46 | greygoo | can only provide 100mA of power, so basically any load on the VBUS line will |
| 13:43.46 | greygoo | make the host mode to fail. Since N800 can provide nominal VBUS power, a |
| 13:43.46 | greygoo | N770 modified hub is not needed. |
| 13:43.48 | greygoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:44.22 | greygoo | thats what i got from the muru page containing the patches. If thats wrong then I know my problem, however I read this more often in mailarchives as well |
| 13:44.28 | greygoo | n800 has different usb chip |
| 13:44.44 | saiam | ok, so you have a powered usb-hub then? |
| 13:44.52 | greygoo | yes |
| 13:45.20 | greygoo | what mostly makes me suspicios that also non usb host mode does not work at all anymore |
| 13:45.27 | saiam | ok, I'm sorry but I think I can't help you. I have experience of using usb-host-mode only with the 770 |
| 13:45.42 | greygoo | I can plug the n800 now in my computer and it does not detect any usb event at all (the compputer i mean) |
| 13:45.47 | saiam | greygoo: hmm, that sound weird |
| 13:46.10 | greygoo | yes, thats why i'm interested in experiences of someone else with the matter ;) |
| 13:46.23 | greygoo | but not in a hurry :) |
| 13:46.27 | saiam | yep :) |
| 13:46.55 | saiam | --> home |
| 13:51.21 | alehandro | черт, не тупи |
| 13:51.30 | alehandro | sry, not here) |
| 13:55.25 | timeless | hello world |
| 13:55.35 | timeless | anyone here know how to report bugs about garage.maemo.org/plugins/ ? :) |
| 13:55.50 | timeless | btw, timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/ now has links that /should/ get you to the svn viewer |
| 13:59.57 | greygoo | mh, i have a pidgin/gaim bug to report. Basically the groupwise plugin does not work at all ... |
| 14:00.13 | timeless | i think the dev went to the beach :) |
| 14:00.47 | greygoo | lol |
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| 14:11.02 | greygoo | I want to go to the beach as well |
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| 14:17.56 | greygoo | outsch |
| 14:18.56 | greygoo | i download somke mp3's on the n800 and wondered why the f. its so slow, only 10kb/s. I thought the WLAN here should be faster. Now after it dowloaded for about 3,5 hours i realize i still was online via mobile phone .... that explains the speed ... |
| 14:19.23 | pupnik | 2heh |
| 14:19.38 | greygoo | thank god for flatrates |
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| 14:24.50 | alehandro | greygoo, what is this? http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d2.php |
| 14:26.46 | bluehash | anyone got to interface the IrDA port? |
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| 14:33.20 | Phil770_ | there's an IrDA port ? |
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| 14:48.14 | disq | is ITT down? |
| 14:48.15 | bluehash | yes |
| 14:48.23 | bluehash | Theres an IRDA port |
| 14:48.30 | bluehash | at least the processor specs say it |
| 14:48.36 | bluehash | seems like its not interfaced |
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| 14:48.56 | bluehash | looke here |
| 14:48.57 | bluehash | http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?contentId=4671&navigationId=11990&templateId=6123 |
| 14:49.23 | bluehash | There was a discussion about this a few days back though |
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| 15:06.09 | em-c | hi guys |
| 15:06.30 | em-c | Have anyone tried to connect with the nokia n800 to an AP with EAP-TTLS/PAP ??? |
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| 16:03.01 | sbaturzio | Aloha! |
| 16:03.01 | _Monkey | Guten Tag, sbaturzio! |
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| 16:16.57 | konttori | Hey, is it possible in the latest firmware to connect wii mote to n800? |
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| 16:27.20 | megabyte405 | konttori: don't see why it wouldn't work just like on a regular linux pc - try it! |
| 16:27.31 | konttori | Well, I don't have a wiimote. |
| 16:27.34 | megabyte405 | oh. |
| 16:27.42 | megabyte405 | well, its utility is limited |
| 16:28.04 | megabyte405 | no sensor bar yet (I think), so no pointing, just kind of tilting. |
| 16:28.09 | konttori | And in the previous version, the bt stack wasn't able to connect ti it as wiimote does not support setting the connection code. |
| 16:28.11 | megabyte405 | more of a novelty than anything at this point |
| 16:28.15 | megabyte405 | hmm |
| 16:28.38 | konttori | Anyway, it might be interesting to work as a dpad kind of controller for those wishing to play games (like emulator games) on the device. |
| 16:31.05 | bluehash | konttori: look here |
| 16:31.06 | bluehash | http://www.wiili.org/index.php/Wii_Linux_bounty |
| 16:31.11 | konttori | I agree it's more a sort of a novelty, but for those that would happen to have one, it might be nice to be able to use it. |
| 16:31.48 | bluehash | werent you the one who developed the iphone keypad interface for the N800 |
| 16:32.43 | konttori | nope. it was someone at indt. |
| 16:32.48 | konttori | those brazilian guys |
| 16:33.04 | konttori | I've just been doing ukmp and uktube recently |
| 16:33.07 | bluehash | i remember your name from some of the youtube videos |
| 16:33.18 | konttori | probably from uktube / ukmp videos |
| 16:33.26 | bluehash | yup those |
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| 16:33.53 | konttori | about 13 000 views of those videos in total. quite a lot I think. planet maemo is working quite well on reaching interested people. |
| 16:34.16 | bluehash | do you know of any hardware hackers for the n800 .Im interested nin getting the irda port working |
| 16:34.25 | konttori | Nice idea about the linux wii bounty. |
| 16:34.37 | bluehash | the OMAP processor has one |
| 16:34.48 | konttori | no I don't. I can imagine that quite a few people would like to have it. |
| 16:34.49 | bluehash | agree |
| 16:34.59 | konttori | but I think that it might be too much work. |
| 16:35.11 | konttori | on 770 it should be pretty easy by using the serial port. |
| 16:35.14 | bluehash | well.. it would include a bit of soldering |
| 16:35.30 | bluehash | you mean thru the USB |
| 16:35.34 | bluehash | as a host? |
| 16:36.55 | konttori | no, I mean through the serial interface in it |
| 16:37.12 | bluehash | k.. |
| 16:37.54 | konttori | If I've understood correctly, it should be relatively simple to connect a irda sender to the serial port. |
| 16:38.26 | konttori | but, now that you mentioned it, usb should be pretty easy as well. Just find a small enough usb irda. |
| 16:39.34 | bluehash | hmm |
| 16:39.43 | konttori | wasn't there already a usb host kernel for n800 as well? |
| 16:39.47 | bluehash | Im not aware of any linux distro for irda |
| 16:39.59 | bluehash | well they found a hack |
| 16:40.01 | konttori | https://www.muru.com/linux/n800-usb-host/ |
| 16:40.20 | bluehash | they got one of the USB to serial dongles to work |
| 16:41.00 | konttori | anyway, after that, you might be able to connect irda like this: http://www.usbgear.com/computer_cable_details.cfm?sku=U1-FIR-IRDA&cats=139&catid=139 |
| 16:41.03 | bluehash | Ive been there |
| 16:42.08 | bluehash | Thanks..but then comes the driver problem |
| 16:42.26 | konttori | true |
| 16:42.57 | bluehash | anyway.. I'm goind through that stuff.I got to go for class |
| 16:43.02 | bluehash | *going |
| 16:43.07 | bluehash | Later |
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| 17:19.09 | gw280 | http://blog.gwright.org.uk/articles/2007/08/07/webkit-and-the-n800 |
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| 17:47.20 | bldewolf_ | orakle: Looks like wpa_supplicant doesn't want to work :( |
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| 18:27.23 | dragorn | bldewolf: No, it won't, wpa is handled in the binary part of the kernel module |
| 18:27.44 | dragorn | bldewolf: if you look at the OSS component you can see the passthroughs |
| 18:30.45 | N800 | ok, some of the users on ITT are real assh@#$&, Still getting complaints about my referral link. http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=66283&posted=1#post66283 |
| 18:31.08 | N800 | nothing better going on at ITT then to complain about my freaking link. |
| 18:31.57 | `0660 | i'd be mad at you too |
| 18:32.26 | unique311 | the admin gave me permission to post on that section.. |
| 18:32.34 | unique311 | be mad at the admins. |
| 18:33.27 | `0660 | i always feel fooled when clicking a referral link without knowing it |
| 18:34.28 | unique311 | All i'm saying is if you feel that much anger towards it..you should freaking stay out of the deals and promo, general discussion area. |
| 18:34.31 | melmoth | i meant _is_ appropriate :) |
| 18:34.46 | unique311 | thanks melmoth |
| 18:34.47 | melmoth | oups, no..well, you get what i meant :) |
| 18:35.06 | melmoth | you ll know for next time. |
| 18:35.18 | unique311 | now on maemo.org i would be stupid for doing so |
| 18:36.45 | unique311 | i could care less for the ones who don't think its appropriate. I got permission to post from an admin. |
| 18:37.04 | unique311 | they should beef with the admins. |
| 18:37.52 | unique311 | if after doing so, you should just remove the id at the end and be happy. |
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| 18:38.36 | unique311 | 4 backspaces do the trick. |
| 18:41.33 | unique311 | melmoth, on firefox, and I doubt you are not using firefox by now. if you hover over a word that is a hyperlink, it shows the link at the bottom of the browser. it goes the same for IE and probably most browsers. |
| 18:42.12 | unique311 | feeling fooled about clicking on those referral links might just be your fault. |
| 18:43.16 | melmoth | what i think is not appropriate is not the referal thingy, more of the actual link itself.. network space , not exactly a tablet related issue. |
| 18:43.24 | melmoth | but dont panic, this is not that a big deal. |
| 18:44.14 | unique311 | tis why i place it on OFF Topic. |
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| 18:44.35 | unique311 | i got a rating of 1 square..yeah |
| 18:47.09 | melmoth | oh, if it was on a off topic specific forum, then it was on topic and there is no harm :) |
| 18:47.13 | unique311 | melmoth that comment on feeling fool the link and feeling fooled was meant for 0660 |
| 18:47.21 | unique311 | sorry about attaching your nick to it |
| 18:47.37 | unique311 | off topic |
| 18:47.58 | unique311 | i don't think people are noticing its in the off topic section... |
| 18:48.15 | pupnik | 10GB is sweet |
| 18:48.27 | unique311 | but you are right i was mischievous in attaching the n800.770 name to the title |
| 18:48.38 | unique311 | use my referral link pupnik.. |
| 18:48.39 | unique311 | lol |
| 18:48.47 | `0660 | it's just feels like total spam :) |
| 18:49.14 | pupnik | i dunno free storage is useful |
| 18:49.17 | unique311 | 0660 not sure you seeing the rest of the off topic post |
| 18:49.22 | unique311 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19 |
| 18:49.32 | unique311 | check out the rest of the offtopic post. |
| 18:49.42 | unique311 | my post is not looking that bad. |
| 18:50.02 | unique311 | but i'm sorry for going off topic in the irc channel.. |
| 18:50.09 | unique311 | whats new in maemo? |
| 18:50.09 | pupnik | thanks for the post |
| 18:50.18 | unique311 | NP pupnik |
| 18:50.32 | unique311 | I surf, I find, I share |
| 18:50.45 | `0660 | didn't find anything looking like spam though :) |
| 18:50.47 | unique311 | with a minor referral link. |
| 18:51.27 | unique311 | so my referral id constitute my post as being spam? |
| 18:52.07 | pupnik | i don't think so |
| 18:52.07 | `0660 | combined with fancy font and "<-- click me", yes :) |
| 18:52.15 | unique311 | lol |
| 18:52.37 | pupnik | if it were for some random crap that wasn't useful then i'd say yes |
| 18:52.46 | unique311 | going to edit it. and put a disclaimer. |
| 18:52.58 | `0660 | in the other hand, it has the word "free" only twice :) |
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| 18:54.49 | unique311 | same here.. |
| 18:55.11 | unique311 | going to mass email my referral link to all on my address book |
| 18:55.15 | pupnik | playing haha |
| 18:55.32 | pupnik | playing some psx rpgs atm |
| 19:02.14 | unique311 | k, its edit...i hope I don't get anymore complains....thanks for the opinions on the post channel. |
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| 19:13.18 | jurop88 | hi all |
| 19:13.30 | jurop88 | anyone has any news about gpe-calendar and todo? |
| 19:13.31 | unique311 | hello |
| 19:13.49 | jurop88 | i.e. is the latest version available for download in maemo the same as per gpe 2.8? |
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| 19:24.27 | JesseT77 | Hello |
| 19:24.28 | _Monkey | hello, JesseT77 |
| 19:24.37 | JesseT77 | How do you do? |
| 19:26.18 | JesseT77 | I wish to enable the USB host mode on my nokia 770. Docs I find online recommend using the CLI "Flasher" utility to accomplish this. It appears as though Flasher is only available for linux + mac. Is it not possible (short of vmware) to run Flasher on a pc? |
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| 19:26.44 | JesseT77 | Hello iso |
| 19:31.36 | orakle | ah he's gone |
| 19:31.48 | orakle | you don't have to run flasher.. there's a command you can enter if you got root.. |
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| 19:40.34 | William2300 | Hi, can i use packages from packages.debian.org on my Nokia 770 |
| 19:40.48 | William2300 | Some of them works with ARM architecture |
| 19:42.10 | shackan | I fear they use a different libc |
| 19:43.11 | William2300 | ok :( |
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| 19:48.15 | koen | not only a different libc, a completely different ABI |
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| 19:54.55 | Nermal | :) |
| 20:00.09 | erstazi | hello Nermal |
| 20:00.28 | Nermal | hello :) |
| 20:01.00 | Nermal | I've probably rather foolishly just bought a nokia 770 for 75 quid as I can't afford an n800 but wanted to see if I'd actually use such a device |
| 20:01.36 | Nermal | I last use linux on an ipaq 3600 so it's got 8 times the storage and 4 times the ram :D |
| 20:02.00 | erstazi | Nermal, the ipaq 3600 has more storage and ram? |
| 20:02.10 | Nermal | it had 16 mb of each |
| 20:02.13 | guardian | good evening maemo |
| 20:02.23 | Nermal | so even the n770 is going to seem like an upgrade ;) |
| 20:02.23 | erstazi | Nermal, personally, I own a 770 and I am quite satisfied with it |
| 20:02.40 | erstazi | Nermal, there are many users who frequent this channel who are 770 users |
| 20:03.03 | Nermal | erstazi: I can basically justify 75 quid on what might turn out to be a cool toy - just can't do the same for the n800 at 250 or so |
| 20:03.07 | erstazi | Nermal, honestly, it is worth the money and my opinion is its worth your efforts of getting it |
| 20:03.23 | Nermal | yah - sadly it's not arrived yet |
| 20:03.29 | erstazi | Nermal, yes, the n800 is a newer toy but I think the 770 does a job well |
| 20:03.43 | erstazi | Nermal, are you a linux user? |
| 20:03.45 | Nermal | are you using the hacker IT 2007 os on yours ? |
| 20:03.49 | erstazi | no |
| 20:03.51 | Nermal | yah :) for a long time :) |
| 20:04.04 | erstazi | some have dual boots of OS2007HE and OS2006 |
| 20:04.08 | Nermal | worked for suse back in the day, then novell briefly |
| 20:04.08 | erstazi | on a 770 |
| 20:04.18 | Nermal | so I should be ok tinkering with it |
| 20:04.27 | Nermal | ah ok :) |
| 20:04.31 | erstazi | Nermal, I can gather up some packages that are must needed for a linux user |
| 20:04.39 | Nermal | :) |
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| 20:04.49 | erstazi | actually, I will throw a page up on my site |
| 20:05.08 | Nermal | oooh - that would be helpful - thanks :) |
| 20:05.13 | erstazi | I already have an sources.list there thats well done (except I haven't got to doing the gpg keys yet on some of them) |
| 20:07.01 | erstazi | Nermal, I even use Gizmo on my nokia770 to make phone calls |
| 20:07.10 | Nermal | nice :) |
| 20:07.10 | erstazi | over all, the whole maemo community is very nice and friendly |
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| 20:08.29 | erstazi | Nermal, I have been messing with scratchbox also, which is very exciting, I would like to see a speech to text app for the nokia770 so finding a lightweight app to hildonize sounds like a mission |
| 20:08.31 | Nermal | erstazi: certainly seems that way |
| 20:09.19 | Nermal | I was actually looking to see if any madman has upgraded the ram in the 770 by soldering a bigger chip into it |
| 20:09.33 | Nermal | I'm sure people used to do that to other devices |
| 20:09.37 | Nermal | maybe they've got too small now |
| 20:10.19 | erstazi | Nermal, ah yes, I am sure there is *someone* who has, madman is a close word to what I think of when someone mentions doing that |
| 20:10.22 | erstazi | heh (: |
| 20:12.38 | guardian | anyone using the sdk on ubuntu gutsy ? |
| 20:12.42 | guardian | or debian etch ? |
| 20:12.48 | guardian | i have xephyr crashing :( |
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| 20:13.14 | JesseT77 | wb orakle :) |
| 20:13.58 | erstazi | guardian, I am going to have gutsy on a box and I heard about sdk on gutsy causing problems |
| 20:14.06 | erstazi | where, I don't remember |
| 20:14.26 | JesseT77 | I wish to enable the USB host mode on my nokia 770. Docs I find online recommend using the CLI "Flasher" utility to accomplish this. It appears as though Flasher is only available for linux + mac. Is it not possible (short of vmware) to run Flasher on a Windows pc? |
| 20:14.29 | MoRpHeUz | Nermal: where are you getting this $75 n770 ? |
| 20:14.41 | JesseT77 | pound.. 75 pound |
| 20:14.48 | erstazi | JesseT77, that is a possibility but |
| 20:14.50 | Nermal | 75 pound - so 150$ |
| 20:14.54 | Nermal | still cheap in the uk |
| 20:15.13 | erstazi | JesseT77, [15:31] <orakle> you don't have to run flasher.. there's a command you can enter if you got root.. |
| 20:15.15 | Nermal | it's gone up a bit now - the site is now listing it at 89 UKP |
| 20:15.18 | JesseT77 | They sell new for 200 quid so it's a deal |
| 20:15.28 | Nermal | yah :D |
| 20:15.47 | JesseT77 | erstazi, thank you, but how do you have root on a windows box? And at least as importantly: what command? ;) |
| 20:15.50 | Nermal | mines "awaiting stock" atm - I hope they get some :| |
| 20:16.24 | erstazi | JesseT77, I think orakle meant on the nokia |
| 20:16.36 | erstazi | Nermal, did you try buy.com? |
| 20:16.41 | JesseT77 | ooer, that sounds very nice. :) |
| 20:16.41 | erstazi | I think they ship internationally |
| 20:16.57 | Nermal | erstazi: noo.. order placed now :| |
| 20:16.57 | erstazi | JesseT77, did you enable red-pill or install becomeroot? |
| 20:17.06 | JesseT77 | erstazi: that being the case, do you have an idea what command he might be talking about, or else where I might find such data? |
| 20:17.52 | JesseT77 | I have xterm installed. I'll wager I can get a root utility as well. so it's just a question of the step after that. ;) |
| 20:18.02 | erstazi | Nermal, with buy.com they have a deal for 63,79 guid with free shipping |
| 20:18.14 | erstazi | JesseT77, which xterm? |
| 20:18.18 | erstazi | xterm? |
| 20:18.19 | _Monkey | xterm is the enhanced version of osso-xterm from maemo-hackers. It adds font and color selection support, URL opening through context menu, and a sidebar with additional keys such as Ctrl+letters. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/osso-xterm-advanced |
| 20:18.28 | erstazi | JesseT77, that xterm? |
| 20:19.08 | erstazi | JesseT77, I am patient |
| 20:21.08 | JesseT77 | Yup, I was hammered when I installed this so I forget which package. I think it's the no-colors one though. I'm guessing there is not a CLI command that will tell me which Xterm? ;) |
| 20:21.30 | erstazi | JesseT77, are you in xterm right now? |
| 20:21.59 | JesseT77 | yes :) |
| 20:22.04 | erstazi | do you have PgDn and Ctrl+p and Ctrl+n on the right? |
| 20:22.11 | erstazi | as a list |
| 20:22.15 | JesseT77 | yes |
| 20:22.17 | erstazi | ij |
| 20:22.21 | erstazi | s/ij/ok |
| 20:22.31 | erstazi | thats osso-xterm-advanced |
| 20:22.54 | erstazi | its also white foreground with a black foreground by default |
| 20:23.04 | JesseT77 | 0-4 |
| 20:23.06 | JesseT77 | 10-4 |
| 20:23.12 | JesseT77 | brb phone |
| 20:23.21 | erstazi | k |
| 20:23.24 | Nermal | erstazi: doh! |
| 20:23.46 | erstazi | Nermal, its ok, I was watching ebay and I couldn't believe what people were paying |
| 20:24.13 | erstazi | nearly 30 guid more than I was, so don't feel bad |
| 20:24.51 | Nermal | erstazi: if I bought it from buy,com I may get charged customs tax on it |
| 20:24.54 | Nermal | I think |
| 20:25.02 | Nermal | anyhoo .. 75 quid isn't bad :) |
| 20:25.12 | erstazi | Nermal, true |
| 20:25.19 | Nermal | :D |
| 20:25.58 | JesseT77 | back :) |
| 20:26.01 | milhouse | anyone willing to help me diagnose a(nother) bug with the rss feed reader? |
| 20:26.04 | erstazi | Nermal, I forgot about customs tax /: I was luckly to avoid that when traveling,... I didn't buy anything haha |
| 20:26.08 | milhouse | bug 1770 |
| 20:26.08 | _Monkey | Bug 1770 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1770 |
| 20:26.24 | erstazi | milhouse, looking |
| 20:26.45 | milhouse | i'd like someone to install my feedlist.opml file (back up your own of course!) and see if your rss app then crashes when performing a full refresh |
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| 20:27.06 | JesseT77 | so I've got the osso-xterm-advanced. We'll take it as read that I will get yonder root privs from some magical place. Once that is done, what command do I want to look up for USB host mode? |
| 20:27.07 | Dea1 | hi all |
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| 20:27.15 | erstazi | milhouse, I would do it but I have only OS2006 |
| 20:27.20 | JesseT77 | Hola dea |
| 20:27.30 | milhouse | ah, thanks anyway erstazi :) |
| 20:28.05 | Dea1 | sorry to shout out loud - but is there anyone who could give me a pointer to installing Scratchbox onto Ubuntu (Feisty Fawn) - its driving me f****g crazy |
| 20:28.57 | erstazi | Dea1, I just did that last night |
| 20:28.59 | erstazi | haha |
| 20:29.17 | Dea1 | erstazi - did you use the new install script? |
| 20:29.23 | erstazi | JesseT77, I am googling something for you |
| 20:29.39 | erstazi | Dea1, I went by the docs on scratchbox's site |
| 20:29.44 | erstazi | let me see what it was |
| 20:30.10 | erstazi | did you use the deb's from the scratchbox-debian repos? |
| 20:30.15 | erstazi | for stable main? |
| 20:30.45 | Dea1 | Ive tried installing manually - had problems |
| 20:30.54 | Dea1 | so i found this - http://repository.maemo.org/stable/bora/INSTALL.txt |
| 20:31.01 | Dea1 | problem is the script wont run |
| 20:31.15 | erstazi | ah |
| 20:31.23 | Dea1 | and im not a Linux expert :( (last time I played with Linux was Redhat 6) |
| 20:31.27 | erstazi | Dea1, do you know how to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 20:31.35 | erstazi | on ubuntu that is |
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| 20:31.59 | Dea1 | yep - tried that erstazi - what sources did you use? |
| 20:32.08 | erstazi | Dea1, let me grab them (: |
| 20:32.40 | florian | re |
| 20:32.50 | erstazi | add this to your /etc/apt/sources.list at the bottom: deb http://scratchbox.org/debian stable main |
| 20:32.51 | Dea1 | sorry everyone for jumping on your chat.... |
| 20:33.00 | erstazi | Dea1, thats ok, you are in the right spot |
| 20:33.06 | erstazi | wb florian |
| 20:33.16 | erstazi | hello kosola_ |
| 20:33.17 | Dea1 | aha - the ref I was looking at seemed to refer apophis |
| 20:33.24 | erstazi | Dea1, it is |
| 20:33.33 | erstazi | Dea1, this is the stable version of apophis |
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| 20:34.02 | erstazi | then go to terminal: sudo apt-get update |
| 20:34.20 | Dea1 | ok - one of the references was to use ./ at the end (sorry not used to DEbian pkgs and terminology) but I see that has been superceded too |
| 20:35.00 | erstazi | Dea1, that has been depreciated with the new system |
| 20:35.11 | erstazi | they haven't updated all their pages |
| 20:35.22 | erstazi | on the main page it clarifies that in the news/updates |
| 20:35.31 | erstazi | I didn't know until someone else pointed it out |
| 20:35.49 | Dea1 | I think thats the problem - too many versions (and im trying to learn maemo/linux and scratchbox all at the same time) - Fantastic piece of kit though the N770!! cant wait to start writing for it |
| 20:37.24 | erstazi | yeah |
| 20:38.11 | erstazi | Dea1, after you do sudo apt-get update tell me |
| 20:38.11 | erstazi | because you can run: sudo apt-get install scratchbox-core scratchbox-libs scratchbox-devkit-maemo3 scratchbox-devkit-debian scratchbox-toolchain-cs2005q3.2-glibc2.5-arm |
| 20:38.11 | erstazi | these are what worked for me |
| 20:38.24 | Dea1 | ok - trying now |
| 20:38.30 | erstazi | Dea1, this will take a while |
| 20:38.56 | erstazi | Dea1, large packages... now, what I found is, at first all you need is the first two packages, scratchbox-core and scratchbox-libs |
| 20:40.31 | erstazi | then you can do sb-adduser username *a lot* easier |
| 20:40.56 | erstazi | if this happens to you, then you can just remove the extra packages and reinstall (they won't download again, because they are achieved) |
| 20:41.48 | Dea1 | ok - its away and downloading core and libs now |
| 20:42.12 | Dea1 | what toolchain (think thats the correct definition) to cross compile to the N770? |
| 20:42.16 | Dea1 | or do I not need one? |
| 20:42.22 | erstazi | I listed the one I use |
| 20:42.36 | erstazi | scratchbox-toolchain-cs2005q3.2-glibc2.5-arm |
| 20:42.46 | erstazi | you don't need that right away |
| 20:42.57 | Dea1 | okay - maybe thats where I was getting confused - what is the arm-gcc3 toolchain for? |
| 20:43.07 | erstazi | you want to get the user for sbox and the sbox group set up |
| 20:43.34 | erstazi | Dea1, gcc |
| 20:43.53 | erstazi | GNU Compiler Collection |
| 20:44.10 | erstazi | or the GNU C compiler basically |
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| 20:44.33 | erstazi | from what I read, you can have as many toolchains and devkits as you want |
| 20:44.38 | Dea1 | so which compipler does it use as standard then to write code (im looking to write in c) |
| 20:44.51 | erstazi | Dea1, then you can add that compiler if you want |
| 20:45.24 | erstazi | Dea1, http://www.scratchbox.org/documentation/user/scratchbox-1.0/html/installdoc.html#AEN132 |
| 20:45.52 | erstazi | you have to make sure that the user that you add (my default user is "main" so I did sb-adduser main |
| 20:46.00 | erstazi | and made sure that in groups that sbox was listed |
| 20:46.10 | erstazi | and double checked that main was added to the sbox group |
| 20:46.42 | Dea1 | okay - here is where ot gets screwy....just checked and scratchbox core and libs (1.0.8) are installed |
| 20:47.17 | erstazi | ok |
| 20:47.30 | erstazi | now go to terminal on ubuntu |
| 20:47.32 | Dea1 | I try running sb adduser and it comes up with the following message.... |
| 20:47.34 | erstazi | as normal user |
| 20:47.35 | erstazi | not root |
| 20:47.44 | Dea1 | http://repository.maemo.org/stable/bora/INSTALL.txt |
| 20:47.53 | Dea1 | ignore above |
| 20:47.57 | erstazi | ok |
| 20:48.10 | erstazi | in terminal, you ctrl+shift+c |
| 20:48.12 | Dea1 | dean@ubuntu:/usr$ sb-adduser |
| 20:48.12 | Dea1 | /usr/sbin/sb-adduser: line 14: /usr/sbin/compatibility.sh: No such file or directory |
| 20:48.12 | Dea1 | /usr/sbin/sb-adduser: line 15: /usr/etc/question_func.sh: No such file or directory |
| 20:48.12 | Dea1 | /usr/run_me_first.sh has not been run! |
| 20:48.19 | erstazi | ah |
| 20:48.44 | erstazi | for giggles try /scratchbox/run_me_first.sh |
| 20:49.04 | Dea1 | file doesnt exist. |
| 20:49.13 | erstazi | ah dude |
| 20:49.14 | erstazi | I forgot |
| 20:49.25 | erstazi | sudo -s; sb-adduser <your-username> |
| 20:49.28 | erstazi | without the < and > |
| 20:49.48 | amr | do i have to run fceultra from the command line? |
| 20:49.49 | Dea1 | nope - same error message |
| 20:50.18 | Dea1 | is there anything else I need installed as well as core and libs to get started? |
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| 20:51.39 | erstazi | Dea1, hold a sec |
| 20:52.07 | erstazi | /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_adduser yourusername |
| 20:52.24 | erstazi | then follow the directions |
| 20:53.09 | Dea1 | okay - that worked |
| 20:53.11 | Dea1 | :) |
| 20:53.18 | erstazi | Dea1, now |
| 20:53.19 | Dea1 | had to sudo it |
| 20:53.23 | erstazi | yeah |
| 20:53.36 | erstazi | Dea1, now, exit from su |
| 20:53.47 | erstazi | and now you are normal user... type: groups |
| 20:53.57 | erstazi | if sbox is set there then you are golden |
| 20:54.04 | Dea1 | its tere |
| 20:54.07 | Dea1 | there.. |
| 20:54.07 | _Monkey | i guess there is some app that is drawing a lot of power |
| 20:54.32 | Dea1 | now I run sbox_configure? |
| 20:57.16 | Dea1 | ignore that last comment - should read the notes!! |
| 20:57.17 | erstazi | Dea1, go to system > administration > user and groups |
| 20:57.43 | erstazi | then select the groups tab on the right of that window, select sbox and make sure the user you added is part of that group |
| 20:57.54 | erstazi | then if thats true, then /scratchbox/login |
| 20:58.00 | Dea1 | yep - my user name is in the xbox group |
| 20:58.03 | Dea1 | sbox |
| 20:58.22 | erstazi | Dea1, haha, I typed that accidentally a few times |
| 20:58.31 | Dea1 | :) |
| 20:58.43 | Dea1 | okay - its runs but says I have to configure a target with sbmenu |
| 20:59.07 | erstazi | correct |
| 20:59.17 | erstazi | now you need the other packages I suggested |
| 20:59.29 | erstazi | and from this point on, I cannot really assist you much |
| 20:59.35 | erstazi | the documentation will be your friend |
| 20:59.55 | Dea1 | aha...okay will install other stuff now |
| 21:00.27 | Dea1 | hey - estazi - many thanks - although ill probably be back on here again regularly |
| 21:00.49 | erstazi | Dea1, I try, I am new to scratchbox myself |
| 21:01.15 | erstazi | Dea1, I think if a few more people contribute, then more people will be jumping on getting these tablets (: |
| 21:01.20 | Dea1 | quick qestion - do these binaries include the nokia emulator or is that a separate install? |
| 21:01.36 | erstazi | mmm I am not sure about that, I read about the emulator and what not |
| 21:01.51 | erstazi | I believe the devkit is that, but I haven't gotten further than that |
| 21:02.44 | erstazi | Dea1, all I know is, I was following this part: http://www.scratchbox.org/documentation/user/scratchbox-1.0/html/installdoc.html#cctarget |
| 21:03.01 | Dea1 | yeah - the N770 is great, although not a lot of people get what its about - im in the UK and use it a lot - we have mobile 3G so with my nokia phone its great for surfing websites on the move |
| 21:05.42 | erstazi | Dea1, I use my n770 to even place phone calls and vnc to my work |
| 21:06.01 | erstazi | I even do some programming by tapping the keyboard heh, though its a rarity,... I prefer to ssh to the n770 |
| 21:06.21 | *** join/#maemo hyph_n (n=hyph-n@userch030.dsl.pipex.com) |
| 21:06.44 | erstazi | hello hyph_n |
| 21:06.57 | hyph_n | hi there |
| 21:07.10 | hyph_n | last time i was here i had a problem |
| 21:07.22 | Dea1 | im using my n770 to manage Windows Server 2003 (rdp) - wish it had eyboard input though |
| 21:07.27 | hyph_n | then my n770 bricked with a white screen |
| 21:07.37 | hyph_n | so... got my money back & ordered another one |
| 21:07.44 | hyph_n | no white screen so far...! |
| 21:08.25 | hyph_n | Dea1: i think i've seen something that allows u to connect a bluetooth keyboard to the n770 |
| 21:08.30 | erstazi | hyph_n, did you upgrade it with the latest updates? were you in red pill mode when it white screened? (haha the white screen of death) |
| 21:08.49 | erstazi | yeah there are quite a few compatible bluetooth keyboards |
| 21:09.09 | erstazi | there is a list somewhere |
| 21:09.11 | erstazi | let me search |
| 21:09.15 | Dea1 | cheers |
| 21:09.20 | hyph_n | erstazi - i had reflashed it.... hadn't even got close to the red pill thingy! |
| 21:09.45 | hyph_n | anway, got another problem with the replacement... very very very poor wifi reception! |
| 21:09.53 | erstazi | hyph_n, hmmm |
| 21:10.05 | hyph_n | 1 inch (2cm) from the Access Point and the BEST i can get is 50%...! |
| 21:10.06 | erstazi | you have a n770 currently right? |
| 21:10.10 | hyph_n | yes |
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| 21:10.34 | hyph_n | the previous one (while it worked) had great reception |
| 21:10.36 | erstazi | hyph_n, do you know where control panel is? |
| 21:10.40 | hyph_n | yes |
| 21:10.45 | erstazi | follow me there |
| 21:10.52 | hyph_n | there |
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| 21:12.27 | erstazi | hyph_n, sorry |
| 21:12.30 | erstazi | distraction (kids) |
| 21:12.34 | erstazi | back though |
| 21:12.37 | hyph_n | lol - know what u mean! |
| 21:13.15 | erstazi | hyph_n, ok, double tap connections or connectivity or whatever it is |
| 21:13.17 | hyph_n | erstazi, my gut feel is that the internal antenna is no connected... (?) |
| 21:13.18 | erstazi | in the control panel |
| 21:13.27 | hyph_n | done |
| 21:13.36 | erstazi | click the middle connection button |
| 21:13.42 | hyph_n | done |
| 21:13.44 | erstazi | are you on the nokia right now online? |
| 21:13.47 | erstazi | or are you on a pc? |
| 21:14.00 | hyph_n | niether - i'm on a Mac ;-) |
| 21:14.03 | erstazi | ok godo |
| 21:14.06 | erstazi | s/godo/good |
| 21:14.28 | erstazi | now select your *normal* connection and then verify that you are using wlan and then select next |
| 21:14.39 | erstazi | what security method are you using? |
| 21:14.43 | hyph_n | wep |
| 21:14.59 | erstazi | ok |
| 21:15.01 | erstazi | next |
| 21:15.04 | hyph_n | (yes i know, but i have an Apple Newton that doen;t support WPA) |
| 21:15.14 | erstazi | what type of wep encryption? 128bit? |
| 21:15.20 | hyph_n | yes |
| 21:15.23 | erstazi | I have to use WEP because I don't want to buy a new router |
| 21:15.24 | hyph_n | 13 char ascii |
| 21:15.27 | erstazi | ok same here |
| 21:15.38 | erstazi | anyhow, click next to the end and select advanced |
| 21:15.49 | erstazi | there is an "other" tab |
| 21:15.58 | hyph_n | done - the power is 100mw |
| 21:15.59 | erstazi | select that and tell me what you see for a WLAN transmission power |
| 21:16.00 | hyph_n | :-) |
| 21:16.01 | erstazi | ok |
| 21:16.02 | erstazi | wtf |
| 21:16.12 | erstazi | wonder if its the router |
| 21:16.20 | erstazi | apple newton is a tower right? |
| 21:16.23 | erstazi | not a laptop? |
| 21:16.27 | hyph_n | powerbook G4 |
| 21:16.34 | erstazi | ok |
| 21:16.36 | hyph_n | and a MacBook (intel) |
| 21:16.43 | erstazi | how is the wireless on those? |
| 21:16.47 | erstazi | I wonder if its the router |
| 21:16.48 | hyph_n | great |
| 21:16.56 | hyph_n | i can also connect OK with a Palm TX |
| 21:17.03 | hyph_n | all with good range |
| 21:17.07 | erstazi | hmmm |
| 21:17.19 | erstazi | there must be something talking about that |
| 21:17.21 | erstazi | I notice that myself |
| 21:17.27 | erstazi | its usually positioning of other items |
| 21:17.42 | erstazi | like there is a microwave on the other side of the wall where my router is |
| 21:17.51 | hyph_n | mmmm |
| 21:18.02 | erstazi | and we have 5.8ghz phones that don't bother the router but 2.4ghz does |
| 21:18.07 | hyph_n | the odd thing is, that my previous n700 worked ok |
| 21:18.11 | erstazi | have you tried switching the channels for your router? |
| 21:18.24 | hyph_n | i haven't |
| 21:18.31 | erstazi | I don't know if yours supports it or not |
| 21:18.41 | erstazi | but the laptops and n770 will recognize the new channel |
| 21:18.43 | hyph_n | but i get the same problem in the office (i'm the Sys Admin there |
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| 21:19.00 | hyph_n | i think the unit is foobar |
| 21:19.04 | erstazi | possibly |
| 21:19.09 | erstazi | I would call customer service |
| 21:19.18 | hyph_n | i'm going to tomorrow |
| 21:19.23 | erstazi | hyph_n, keep me informed though |
| 21:19.28 | erstazi | this might happen to mine haha |
| 21:19.29 | hyph_n | no probs |
| 21:19.37 | erstazi | and honestly, these 770's can take a beating |
| 21:19.57 | hyph_n | as a side note, someone else in the office (one of my staff) is also getting a n700 |
| 21:19.57 | erstazi | I have dropped this tablet more than I have with any cell phone and its working great (thanks to no harddrive) |
| 21:20.00 | hyph_n | 770 |
| 21:20.25 | hyph_n | i'll see what his is like in the same environment |
| 21:20.34 | Dea1 | just to let you guys know (if youre in the US) that a company (www.expansys.com) was selling new 770 in the UK for 70GBP. Theyre all gone now, but you may find a few on ebay.co.uk!!! |
| 21:20.52 | hyph_n | Dea1: i just got mine from there |
| 21:20.58 | Dea1 | :) ok then |
| 21:21.18 | hyph_n | If you search you can get a 770 + 1GB rsmmc for only a few quid more..! |
| 21:21.30 | Dea1 | yeah - i missed that one |
| 21:21.31 | erstazi | Dea1, buy.com has it for 63 guid |
| 21:21.42 | hyph_n | Play.com also have them |
| 21:21.47 | Dea1 | bought one for my girlfriend too - she loves it (which is strange cos she hates technology) |
| 21:21.58 | hyph_n | :-) |
| 21:22.20 | erstazi | my wife is jealous of my nokia |
| 21:22.23 | Dea1 | is buy.com us based? |
| 21:22.26 | erstazi | she won't admit it, but I see it in her eyes |
| 21:22.30 | hyph_n | loving the screen - makes a great ebook reader! |
| 21:22.36 | erstazi | Dea1, you might have to pay a customs tax I am not sure |
| 21:22.46 | erstazi | they offer payment in many different currencies |
| 21:22.55 | Dea1 | well with her having one she doesnt mind me playing with it in bed (THE NOKIA!!!!!!) |
| 21:23.00 | erstazi | haha |
| 21:23.20 | erstazi | I bring mine to bed, just started and finished reading "The Machine Stops" last night, great ebook (: |
| 21:23.32 | Dea1 | just finished downloading all the other packages erstazi - quick q why two devkits - debian and maemo??? |
| 21:23.46 | erstazi | um... I am not sure about that haha |
| 21:23.59 | erstazi | if you have OS2006 I believe you have maemo2, but I could be wrong |
| 21:24.06 | erstazi | or is it maemo3? |
| 21:24.22 | erstazi | Dea1, if you look in synaptic and search for scratchbox, you will see all the debs you can install |
| 21:24.31 | Dea1 | god knows - there is info out there its just not that clear |
| 21:24.42 | erstazi | Dea1, well they are not clear on that |
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| 21:25.07 | Dea1 | well ill have a play around with it....once again thx for the help |
| 21:25.14 | erstazi | do we call it maemo4 or OS2007? |
| 21:25.18 | erstazi | no problem, any time |
| 21:25.24 | erstazi | if I knew more about scratchbox I would help you more |
| 21:25.40 | erstazi | but I am limited on it, I finally got it installed last night |
| 21:25.45 | Dea1 | its okay - im gonna be delving in, so ill let u know how I get on |
| 21:25.57 | erstazi | Dea1, btw |
| 21:26.19 | erstazi | I am going to start a port for a very light weight speech to text, so if you think that would interest you, I would definitely appreciate the help (: |
| 21:27.15 | erstazi | I think this is what both 770/n800 are lacking and of my knowledge, there is not an app for maemo/arm |
| 21:27.17 | Dea1 | oo er - might be over my head - im an ex game programmer - but yeah keep me update - if anything itll help to re-rust my skills |
| 21:27.20 | hyph_n | bugger! - it looks like expansys have stopped selling the n770 (or have run out) |
| 21:27.32 | hyph_n | looks like i won't be getting an exchange then...! |
| 21:27.35 | hyph_n | :-( |
| 21:27.46 | erstazi | hyph_n, talk to nokia directly |
| 21:27.48 | Dea1 | you can get ir repared under warranty??? |
| 21:28.37 | derf | I thought CMU's speech engine was already ported. |
| 21:28.56 | erstazi | derf, for OS2006? |
| 21:28.59 | Dea1 | what ebook viewer do you use erstazi - and what respository |
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| 21:29.05 | hyph_n | yeah i know.. but the unit is only 2 days old... so under my 'statutory consumer rights (UK)' i can get a replacement too |
| 21:29.09 | erstazi | Dea1, do you have openssh installed? |
| 21:29.16 | hyph_n | Dea1: i use fbreader |
| 21:29.23 | hyph_n | www.fbreader.org |
| 21:29.24 | erstazi | hyph_n, I was just going to get there |
| 21:29.33 | erstazi | hyph_n, I am going to give Dea1 my sources.list |
| 21:29.38 | erstazi | http://c-wd.net/sources.list |
| 21:29.46 | Dea1 | cheers thx for that |
| 21:30.00 | derf | http://users.tkk.fi/~tnikkila/maemo/flite/ |
| 21:30.04 | erstazi | anyone can use them, I commented the ones that need a gpg key (I don't have the time to grab them all) and the ones that are not working |
| 21:30.14 | erstazi | I use fbreader though |
| 21:30.17 | erstazi | nice app |
| 21:30.18 | hyph_n | ty :-) |
| 21:30.37 | erstazi | also, make sure you back up your sources.list just in case |
| 21:30.44 | Dea1 | ok! |
| 21:30.59 | hyph_n | i guess i need to get my head around this whole blue/red pill thingy |
| 21:31.27 | erstazi | when you get that sources.list inputted, you can go to your application manager and refresh the catalogue and then install whatever you need |
| 21:31.37 | erstazi | hyph_n, its real easy, you know how to do it? |
| 21:31.53 | Dea1 | hey - quick question (another one) - no problems setting up wifi - but is there any way to stop it having to reconnect - even though I have unlimited timeout it still reconnects (i.e. flashed the wifi icon a few times) when I load the browser - or is this just it renogitiating the WPA key? |
| 21:31.54 | hyph_n | erstazi, no idea |
| 21:32.09 | erstazi | Dea1, I am not sure about that |
| 21:32.20 | hyph_n | dea1: it is already unlimted |
| 21:32.30 | erstazi | hyph_n, go to your applications manager, make a new |
| 21:32.39 | hyph_n | btw - the bluetooth range is also a bit crap |
| 21:33.01 | Fatal | I read that as "bluetooth rage" |
| 21:33.19 | hyph_n | lol |
| 21:33.22 | erstazi | hyph_n, application manager > Tools > Application Catalogue then click new and type in the web address matrix and hit cancel |
| 21:33.50 | erstazi | then you will have a choice between red pill and blue pill |
| 21:34.00 | erstazi | and then make sure you do your updates |
| 21:34.04 | hyph_n | wow |
| 21:34.21 | hyph_n | what is the difference between red and blue? |
| 21:34.33 | erstazi | its a cheap hack they put into the nokias... they are "suppose" to be putting it in a settings for advanced users |
| 21:34.46 | hyph_n | :-) |
| 21:34.47 | erstazi | red pill opens up the nokia for more advanced users |
| 21:34.59 | hyph_n | groovy |
| 21:35.00 | erstazi | and I have to go to the loo, brb |
| 21:36.32 | erstazi | ok back |
| 21:36.41 | milhouse | i hope you've washed your hands. |
| 21:36.42 | hyph_n | quick |
| 21:36.52 | erstazi | milhouse, yes, and arms |
| 21:36.53 | Dea1 | fasted gun in the west |
| 21:36.57 | milhouse | good boy :) |
| 21:37.15 | hyph_n | erstazi - ok, i chose red... now what does that mean? |
| 21:37.30 | erstazi | hyph_n, it opens your nokia to more advanced usage |
| 21:37.43 | hyph_n | erstazi, which means...? |
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| 21:37.51 | milhouse | you can stuff it up |
| 21:37.55 | hyph_n | :-) |
| 21:37.58 | erstazi | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationManagerRedPillMode |
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| 21:38.43 | erstazi | I found that about a few days ago, I just remember someone telling me what to do |
| 21:39.51 | erstazi | some people suggest the i-Tech Virtual Bluetooth Keyboard with the nokia 770 |
| 21:40.45 | hyph_n | erstazi, thanks for that ... is this the route to becoming root on the unit? |
| 21:41.00 | milhouse | becomeroot |
| 21:41.00 | _Monkey | i heard becomeroot was is easily obtained from [770/OS2006] http://eko.one.pl/maemo/dists/mistral/user/binary-armel/becomeroot_0.1-2_armel.deb or [770/OS2007HE and N800/OS2007] http://eko.one.pl/maemo/dists/bora/user/binary-armel/becomeroot_0.1-2_armel.deb or for a more long winded method http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_BecomeRoot |
| 21:41.50 | alehandro | ssh root@127.1 with password rootme ;) |
| 21:41.57 | milhouse | that too :) |
| 21:42.18 | milhouse | or R&D mode. |
| 21:42.39 | erstazi | hyph_n, becomeroot |
| 21:42.40 | erstazi | haha |
| 21:42.54 | hyph_n | i've seen references to becomeroot kicking around... |
| 21:42.58 | erstazi | hyph_n, I suggest getting openssh |
| 21:43.02 | alehandro | How can i build correct package for nokia770, with 'armel' architecture. I install maemo-2.2 following on maemo.org site instruction...but result package name 'nokianx_0.5-1_arm.deb', not 'armel' architecture. On maemo-3.0 all successful, but package on device not insallied, because incorrect libraries version |
| 21:43.04 | erstazi | openssh? |
| 21:43.04 | _Monkey | openssh is a FREE version of the SSH connectivity tools that technical users of the Internet rely on. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/openssh/ |
| 21:43.06 | alehandro | ;) |
| 21:43.15 | hyph_n | yeah i installed ssh on the previous unit before it bricked |
| 21:43.59 | erstazi | alehandro, you have OS2006 unless you put OS2007HE on there |
| 21:44.09 | erstazi | so when you search on maemo, thats what you look for |
| 21:44.25 | erstazi | alehandro, do you know how to add to a sources.list? |
| 21:44.27 | Nermal | erstazi: thanks for all your help tonight - I'll be back when the 770 arrives :) |
| 21:44.37 | erstazi | Nermal, I will be here (: |
| 21:44.42 | Nermal | :) |
| 21:44.49 | erstazi | have a good night |
| 21:44.52 | hyph_n | i'm off too... knackered |
| 21:44.56 | Nermal | you too - bedtime now in the UK ::) |
| 21:44.58 | erstazi | night hyph_n |
| 21:45.01 | hyph_n | will check in tomorrow sometime |
| 21:45.06 | alehandro | erstazi, yeah, but it myself program, i am new meaemo developer |
| 21:45.12 | alehandro | ;) |
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| 21:45.24 | erstazi | alehandro, do you have scratchbox installed on a linux computer? |
| 21:45.32 | alehandro | yes |
| 21:45.40 | Dea1 | erstazi - just kicked off a load of downloads - about 120mb - will have fun tomorrow. You in the UK btw? |
| 21:45.53 | alehandro | scratbox, with maemo 2.2 and with maemo 3.0 |
| 21:45.57 | erstazi | Dea1, no, I miss the UK though, I am from the US |
| 21:46.13 | erstazi | alehandro, where did you find the devkits for maemo2.2? |
| 21:46.19 | alehandro | [sbox-SDK_ARMEL: ~] > dpkg --print-architecture |
| 21:46.20 | alehandro | armel |
| 21:46.26 | Dea1 | I like the US - couldnt get a green card though :) weather the way it is at moment I dont mind swapping |
| 21:46.31 | alehandro | sb-conf select SDK_ARMEL22 |
| 21:46.39 | erstazi | ah |
| 21:46.40 | erstazi | ok |
| 21:46.42 | alehandro | [sbox-SDK_ARMEL22: ~] > dpkg --print-architecture |
| 21:46.47 | erstazi | alehandro, I am still learning that |
| 21:46.51 | alehandro | dpkg: warning, architecture `arm-none-linux-gnueabi' not in remapping table |
| 21:46.57 | erstazi | ah |
| 21:47.04 | hyph_n | dea1: my wife is US, that helps! |
| 21:47.15 | erstazi | hyph_n, haha |
| 21:47.35 | hyph_n | erstazi, thanks for all your help - catchya later |
| 21:47.38 | alehandro | SDK_ARMEL22 -- maemo 2.2, SDK_ARMEL -- maemo 3.0 |
| 21:47.40 | erstazi | alehandro, I haven't had that problem yet |
| 21:47.45 | Dea1 | well mine is UK - prob be a bit peeved if I married a US lady to get a green card :) |
| 21:48.03 | hyph_n | :-) |
| 21:48.06 | hyph_n | bie |
| 21:48.08 | hyph_n | cheers |
| 21:48.16 | alehandro | erstazi, you have in maemo 2.2 correct packet with 'armel' architecture? |
| 21:48.19 | erstazi | green cards are easier to get than becoming a British citizen |
| 21:48.37 | erstazi | alehandro, no, I have the devkit for maemo3 |
| 21:48.50 | erstazi | I need to get the binary for maemo2.2 |
| 21:48.57 | erstazi | maemo2.2 is for OS2006 right? |
| 21:49.01 | Dea1 | Id love to live in the US - im a pilot - but too many of them in US, so no chance.... |
| 21:49.18 | erstazi | Dea1, depends, locally around here they are in demand |
| 21:49.20 | florian | erstazi: Europe is nice - you can move to every country inside EC as you like... :-) |
| 21:49.23 | erstazi | but in other places, no |
| 21:49.44 | erstazi | florian, I was in Europe in the military and civilian, I miss Europe as well |
| 21:49.51 | alehandro | yes, all well |
| 21:49.54 | erstazi | I am locked down now (: |
| 21:49.55 | alehandro | customers forgive compatibility |
| 21:49.59 | alehandro | with nokia 770 |
| 21:50.11 | erstazi | alehandro, where did you get the devkit for maemo2.2? |
| 21:50.17 | Dea1 | oh well - you have a Nokia for company :) |
| 21:50.28 | erstazi | haha |
| 21:50.42 | erstazi | my wife thinks its too much company |
| 21:50.49 | alehandro | http://repository.maemo.org/stable/gregale/armel/Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.2_armel-rootstrap.tgz |
| 21:51.15 | Dea1 | yeah - tell her its better than another woman :) |
| 21:51.25 | Dea1 | but honey - I love my Nokia too |
| 21:51.33 | erstazi | haha |
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| 21:51.41 | erstazi | thank you alehandro |
| 21:51.53 | erstazi | isn't gregale for OS2007 though? |
| 21:51.57 | erstazi | thats where I get confused |
| 21:51.59 | alehandro | nope |
| 21:52.03 | alehandro | it os 2006 |
| 21:52.11 | erstazi | ok, thank you alehandro |
| 21:52.16 | alehandro | for itos 2007 >= 3.0 |
| 21:52.32 | erstazi | ah |
| 21:53.01 | erstazi | alehandro, you should write a tutorial on this haha or I will |
| 21:53.08 | alehandro | on the 3.0 maemo for nokian n800 packet building and installation -- successful completed |
| 21:54.00 | erstazi | nice |
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| 21:54.47 | erstazi | by the end of the day, I will be back to square one after repartitioning my harddrives... no room |
| 21:54.51 | erstazi | all these installs |
| 21:56.04 | alehandro | us deuchen customers ask us write wiki on this way, but now we not have time...planning for the future ;) |
| 21:56.50 | erstazi | alehandro, I am going to contribute some writing in the wiki |
| 21:57.10 | erstazi | also last night, I filled _Monkey with many responses like: |
| 21:57.12 | erstazi | nano? |
| 21:57.12 | _Monkey | nano is a tiny text editor. Needs xterm/ssh. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/nano/ |
| 21:57.17 | erstazi | or |
| 21:57.22 | erstazi | leafpad? |
| 21:57.22 | _Monkey | it has been said that leafpad is a simple GTK+ text editor that emphasizes simplicity. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/leafpad/ |
| 21:57.42 | erstazi | xterm? |
| 21:57.42 | _Monkey | xterm is the enhanced version of osso-xterm from maemo-hackers. It adds font and color selection support, URL opening through context menu, and a sidebar with additional keys such as Ctrl+letters. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/osso-xterm-advanced |
| 21:57.48 | alehandro | sry for my english, i from russia ;) |
| 21:58.00 | erstazi | alehandro, honestly, your english is very good |
| 21:58.19 | erstazi | where in Russia? |
| 21:59.30 | erstazi | alehandro, Это заявление делает чувство? |
| 21:59.45 | alehandro | udmurtia, izhevsk ;) home of kalashnikov ;) |
| 22:00.14 | erstazi | ah |
| 22:00.27 | alehandro | babelfish? ;) |
| 22:00.31 | erstazi | yes |
| 22:00.32 | erstazi | haha |
| 22:00.35 | erstazi | I use it with clients sometimes |
| 22:00.39 | florian | *g* |
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| 22:01.05 | alehandro | not correctrtly ... jawbone is formulated ;))) |
| 22:01.09 | alterego | Anyone else really wish they could copy and paste between their N800 and other computers? |
| 22:01.09 | erstazi | personally, I think English is a horrible language and even worse international language... it should not be an international language at all |
| 22:01.32 | alterego | English isn't that bad. There's a lot of bloat but it is quite expressive. |
| 22:01.38 | erstazi | alterego, the only way I know of is ssh or instant message |
| 22:01.47 | alterego | Obviously I'm biased though. Being English and all ^_^ |
| 22:02.52 | erstazi | well, I see both sides... but it is expressive in some areas but in other areas very lacking |
| 22:03.04 | alterego | Where? |
| 22:03.08 | erstazi | there is not a perfect language... |
| 22:03.19 | alterego | No, and there won't likely ever be one. |
| 22:03.21 | erstazi | alterego, take the verb "love" for instance |
| 22:03.37 | alterego | You have issue with love? :D |
| 22:03.43 | erstazi | you can love your mother and father... you can love your neighbor, you can love your wife |
| 22:03.43 | alehandro | english is relatively simple that other west-european languages, and our customers speak also english, although they are germans |
| 22:04.01 | alterego | erstazi, so? |
| 22:04.14 | erstazi | alterego, just an example (: |
| 22:04.32 | alterego | alterego, you have a problem with loving thy neighbour? |
| 22:04.40 | erstazi | heh |
| 22:04.42 | alterego | erstazi, ^^ |
| 22:04.59 | erstazi | [18:04] <erstazi> alterego, just an example (: |
| 22:05.04 | alehandro | they have bad english, and we... and we understand each other |
| 22:05.05 | alterego | Are you saying that 'love' isn't expressive enough? |
| 22:05.24 | alterego | I agree that the word can mean different kinds of love. |
| 22:05.32 | alterego | But then, what is love? |
| 22:05.38 | erstazi | alterego, no need for defensiveness, I am American, my mother's side is English and my father's side is Austrian but of course raised to speak primarily English |
| 22:05.57 | alterego | erstazi, I'm not being defensive :) |
| 22:06.12 | alterego | There are plenty of words in the English language I think are pointless. |
| 22:06.19 | erstazi | alterego, in many other languages, they have different verbs for the different meanings of the English word "love" |
| 22:06.23 | Dea1 | Meine deutsch ist nich so gut :) |
| 22:06.26 | alterego | But for the most part I really like the language. |
| 22:06.28 | erstazi | Dea1, haha |
| 22:06.46 | alterego | Dea1, das ist nicht so gut, es tut meir lied. |
| 22:06.59 | erstazi | alterego, well, I am more coming from the fact of a non-native speaker learning English |
| 22:07.05 | Dea1 | ja - sehr gut, nicht :) |
| 22:07.07 | erstazi | its a hard language to learn compared to other languages out there |
| 22:07.13 | alterego | erstazi, yeah. I hear that's hard. |
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| 22:07.52 | erstazi | I just find those who take on learning English deserve credit, its a difficult language |
| 22:07.56 | alterego | erstazi, I think it's harder to learn because of all the different slang terms and also different areas tend to use a completely different vocabulary :) |
| 22:08.05 | erstazi | oh definitely |
| 22:08.15 | erstazi | even within the UK itself |
| 22:08.21 | alterego | Yah, I know. |
| 22:08.36 | alterego | I even have a hard t ime keeping up with all the slang ^_^ |
| 22:08.40 | erstazi | so many different dialects in England |
| 22:08.40 | Dea1 | whered u live in the UK erstazi? |
| 22:08.44 | erstazi | it shocked me |
| 22:08.49 | erstazi | Dea1, I live in the US |
| 22:09.00 | alterego | I'm from Cambridge, we're supposed to be quite posh. |
| 22:09.06 | erstazi | heh |
| 22:09.06 | Dea1 | lived... |
| 22:09.22 | erstazi | lived? |
| 22:09.33 | Dea1 | past tense - seeing as we're all talking languages (didnt u say you used to liv ein UK) |
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| 22:09.55 | alterego | I've been using my N800 for Rails development whilst in the bath. It's quite relaxing ^_^ |
| 22:10.16 | erstazi | Dea1, I stayed there but not lived |
| 22:10.17 | alehandro | erstazi, Are there sometime old maemo developers? Did you know? My question remains open ;( |
| 22:10.22 | erstazi | I wanted to move to London |
| 22:10.36 | alterego | Cambridge is awesome. If not a bit small. |
| 22:10.37 | Dea1 | your N800 is in the bath, is it nice and clean then? mmaybe a way to keep the screen free from smudges!! |
| 22:10.40 | erstazi | alehandro, there are a few, pupnik is one |
| 22:10.48 | erstazi | I hate smudges |
| 22:10.55 | erstazi | and hate is a strong word |
| 22:11.26 | Dea1 | Cambridge is nice, London is horrible - dirty, crowded. |
| 22:11.31 | erstazi | alehandro, I am sticking my porting and packaging to the 770 because thats what have and there are quite a few with a 770 |
| 22:11.39 | alterego | I was here when maemo first started. But I stopped my envolvment with the community until pretty recently. |
| 22:11.42 | erstazi | Dea1, I was in milton keynes for a month |
| 22:12.05 | Dea1 | never mind - im sure you got over it :) |
| 22:12.18 | erstazi | whats that? |
| 22:12.20 | alterego | I've been back literally just over a month. Been working on Ruby-Maemo port and bindings :) |
| 22:12.21 | alehandro | erstazi, the morning I spoke with him. he also did not know how to solve the problem, because preparing for n800 |
| 22:12.30 | erstazi | ah |
| 22:13.22 | erstazi | alterego, I don't mind RoR, it is a bright star, but python is looking bright also |
| 22:13.50 | alterego | I actually started coding in Python before Ruby. |
| 22:13.59 | erstazi | alehandro, I am not too sure who all are old maemo developers.. I wish I had a list |
| 22:14.04 | alterego | I found Ruby to be a lot more flexible. It's so much nicer :) |
| 22:14.15 | erstazi | alterego, it is very flexible and nice |
| 22:14.39 | erstazi | how well does ruby work with existing databases? |
| 22:15.05 | alterego | Fine. |
| 22:15.18 | erstazi | maybe I heard FUD, who knows |
| 22:15.26 | alterego | You just specify the connection information database name and then the table name. |
| 22:15.28 | alehandro | erstazi, after my search for maemo deveolopers, I concluded the bulk developers are n800 python, developers, but i write in pure c/c++ with gtk+ |
| 22:15.29 | erstazi | I take everything in with a grain of salt |
| 22:16.09 | erstazi | alehandro, well, I appreciate what you do |
| 22:16.16 | erstazi | alehandro, what applications do you have out? |
| 22:16.20 | alterego | erstazi, what you've heard is probably related to the fact that people start learning Rails with no Ruby knowledge and try to jump into the deep end. |
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| 22:16.42 | erstazi | alterego, that is probably so, and that would be FUD then haha |
| 22:16.50 | erstazi | hello mazzen |
| 22:17.16 | mazzen | hello erstazi |
| 22:17.25 | erstazi | how are you mazzen? |
| 22:17.40 | erstazi | alehandro, I think there is a list of developers on maemo.org but I could be wrong |
| 22:17.47 | alterego | There is a lot of FUD surrounding Rails and it's not so good for the community. People become very sceptical and wont look into the platform, which is a shame because it's awesome :) |
| 22:18.30 | erstazi | alterego, definitely, we are looking at it ourselves for development but only on a test basis |
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| 22:18.53 | mazzen | erstazi: fine, and you? |
| 22:18.56 | erstazi | hello syntux, how are you? |
| 22:19.01 | erstazi | good mazzen, tired though (: |
| 22:19.13 | alterego | I think my only issue with Ruby/Rails, ruby specifically, is that the interpreter isn't to speedy. This will be fixed when Ruby 2.0 is released later this year. With the YARV bytecode interpreter. |
| 22:19.17 | syntux | hey erstazi |
| 22:19.17 | _Monkey | erstazi is rusty on porting to a different arch |
| 22:19.20 | syntux | how is it going |
| 22:19.25 | erstazi | alterego, I don't think or see going to be using it within a year because I want to know the ins and outs |
| 22:19.35 | alterego | erstazi, very wise. |
| 22:19.40 | erstazi | _Monkey: forget erstazi |
| 22:19.40 | _Monkey | erstazi: I forgot erstazi |
| 22:19.49 | syntux | i'm trying to get 'libglade 2,libgdm,libreadline' for nN800, any official repos that has em ? |
| 22:20.00 | alterego | Anyhow, I've gotta restart my machine., |
| 22:20.05 | erstazi | syntux, I would help you but I am not familiar with OS2007 |
| 22:20.12 | erstazi | alterego, ttyl, good talk |
| 22:20.25 | syntux | erstazi, what are you using then ? |
| 22:20.37 | Dea1 | hey guys - im off now - want to try and get Scratchbox configured... |
| 22:20.37 | erstazi | syntux, OS2006 on a 770 (: |
| 22:20.54 | erstazi | Dea1, any struggles please tell us! |
| 22:20.57 | erstazi | ttyl Dea1 |
| 22:21.07 | Dea1 | thks for the help - will let you know how I get on |
| 22:21.18 | Dea1 | bye |
| 22:21.24 | erstazi | syntux, there are plenty who have n800's |
| 22:21.33 | erstazi | syntux, have you checked maemo.org? |
| 22:21.36 | *** part/#maemo Dea1 (n=dean@32.230.adsl.brightview.com) |
| 22:21.48 | syntux | yeah |
| 22:21.50 | syntux | nothing thee |
| 22:21.53 | alehandro | erstazi, now i completing write n770/800 client. it's NX-client. It's like are VNC client, but more flexible and faster speed. It's worked very fast on slow connections, like gprs... It have some client's for other platform, but not having software for nokia platform (http://nomachine.com/) |
| 22:22.05 | syntux | isn't there another os to install, other than 2007? |
| 22:22.06 | erstazi | alehandro, I use NX |
| 22:22.16 | erstazi | syntux, no, its the latest |
| 22:22.24 | erstazi | syntux, let me check something |
| 22:23.17 | erstazi | alehandro, how did you keep it lightweight? |
| 22:23.33 | alehandro | pure c ;) |
| 22:23.44 | erstazi | ah-duh |
| 22:24.01 | erstazi | sorry, alehandro, I am not always mentally here (: |
| 22:24.48 | erstazi | alehandro, where is the install for it? I will give it a blash, anything different than the other vnc clients will make me happy, I use nx client on my box here |
| 22:25.14 | erstazi | s/blash/run |
| 22:25.33 | alehandro | erstazi, it's developed for commercila use for my customers, sorry... |
| 22:27.22 | erstazi | alehandro, ah I see |
| 22:27.36 | erstazi | alehandro, any open sourced apps? |
| 22:28.02 | erstazi | alehandro, how much are you charging for it? |
| 22:28.11 | alehandro | erstazi, i am freelancer... I do outsource develop, because our wages are forced desired... the average wage in my town for a month like 250-300$ |
| 22:28.23 | erstazi | ah |
| 22:28.37 | erstazi | alehandro, I am a freelancer myself but in the web-dev field |
| 22:29.06 | alehandro | erstazi, some my friend from university doing web development |
| 22:29.27 | alehandro | i myself started from him ;) |
| 22:29.27 | erstazi | alehandro, ah nice |
| 22:29.55 | erstazi | syntux, are you sure its not libgdbm? |
| 22:30.19 | syntux | erstazi, it's libglade 2,libgdm,libreadline |
| 22:30.34 | erstazi | ok |
| 22:31.49 | alehandro | erstazi, now i now develop open source software because, like linus torvalds sad : the social construction of my life not completly implemented ;) |
| 22:32.00 | alehandro | 2now/not |
| 22:32.12 | erstazi | alehandro, heh |
| 22:32.22 | erstazi | alehandro, I believe proprietary software is not evil |
| 22:32.49 | erstazi | personally, I have both open source and closed source applications I develop |
| 22:33.45 | erstazi | syntux, what app is this for? |
| 22:33.59 | alehandro | when I my social live like my european colleagues, I will do open source software ;) |
| 22:34.16 | syntux | erstazi, mozilla browser. |
| 22:35.05 | erstazi | ah |
| 22:35.11 | syntux | erstazi, I'm trying to find out if I can use my debian packages on N800 |
| 22:35.18 | erstazi | oh |
| 22:35.19 | erstazi | no |
| 22:35.31 | erstazi | they need to be for the ARM arch and also hildonized |
| 22:35.48 | erstazi | syntux, they have a mozilla browser that you can use on maemo |
| 22:35.52 | erstazi | minomo? |
| 22:35.56 | erstazi | oops |
| 22:35.59 | erstazi | minimo? |
| 22:35.59 | _Monkey | i think minimo is (Mini Mozilla) Web browser, a slimmed down version of mozilla browser aiming resource reduced devices. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/minimo/ |
| 22:36.07 | alehandro | my few phrases in putayus ;)) we now 3:36 |
| 22:36.16 | syntux | erstazi, yeah, this is what I'm trying to do, from browser.garage.maemo.org |
| 22:36.20 | erstazi | ah |
| 22:36.36 | syntux | erstazi, but I'm trying to see if I can use libgdm, readline and other libs from debian on N800 |
| 22:36.40 | erstazi | syntux, http://maemo.org/downloads/product/minimo/ try this one |
| 22:37.06 | erstazi | syntux, they need to be ported for maemo/ARM arch |
| 22:38.21 | syntux | erstazi, are there any docs on porting apps from debian into N800 env ? |
| 22:38.43 | alehandro | syntux, on maemo site |
| 22:38.44 | erstazi | syntux, you can use scratchbox for porting |
| 22:38.54 | erstazi | or read up on maemo.org |
| 22:39.21 | alehandro | syntux, simple example here http://test.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_porting_an_existing_application.html |
| 22:39.22 | syntux | erstazi, I tried to download vmware scratchbox but couldn't get the torrent, the site hosting that torrent been down for a week |
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| 22:39.53 | erstazi | yes |
| 22:40.01 | alehandro | syntux, vmware -- not scratch box, otherwise scratchbox not vmware ;) |
| 22:40.02 | erstazi | syntux, what OS do you use on your pc? |
| 22:40.21 | erstazi | alehandro, you can run scratchbox in vmware |
| 22:40.28 | syntux | alehandro, there is a vmware appliance that has scratchbox. |
| 22:40.34 | syntux | erstazi, ubuntu |
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| 22:40.44 | erstazi | syntux, which version of ubuntu? |
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| 22:41.06 | syntux | erstazi, feisty |
| 22:41.10 | alehandro | syntux, ah |
| 22:41.11 | erstazi | syntux, you are in the gold then |
| 22:41.16 | wollop | http://cgi.4chan.org/r/src/1186516570243.jpg |
| 22:41.20 | erstazi | syntux, you can add this to your sources.list: |
| 22:41.36 | alehandro | syntux, http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/3.1/INSTALL.txt |
| 22:41.41 | alehandro | learn this |
| 22:41.45 | erstazi | syntux, deb http://scratchbox.org/debian stable main |
| 22:42.00 | erstazi | then grab the scratchbox-core and scratchbox-libs |
| 22:42.10 | syntux | ah cool |
| 22:42.24 | erstazi | then read this: http://www.scratchbox.org/documentation/user/scratchbox-1.0/html/installdoc.html |
| 22:42.36 | erstazi | the two packages from that repo will take a bit, quite large packages |
| 22:42.47 | erstazi | so you can read up on that URL I provided, its the official documents |
| 22:43.05 | erstazi | the Debian/Ubuntu way is different than other *nix distros |
| 22:43.28 | syntux | apting... |
| 22:43.36 | alehandro | erstazi, http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/3.1/INSTALL.txt -- this is are full completed guide how setup nokia environment on linux box |
| 22:43.39 | erstazi | syntux, suggestion: use the normal user you have for adding the sbox |
| 22:43.44 | erstazi | alehandro, ah |
| 22:43.49 | erstazi | I will have to read that as well |
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| 22:43.55 | erstazi | hi |tbb| |
| 22:44.47 | |tbb| | hey |
| 22:45.55 | alehandro | erstazi, return to the opensource. In the near future, I plan to write a opensource client for Nokia n800 for teamXchange server |
| 22:46.25 | alehandro | With gtkmm library |
| 22:47.10 | erstazi | nice |
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| 22:48.23 | erstazi | I got to dummy cord my damn stylus |
| 22:48.27 | erstazi | I don't want to lose it |
| 22:49.11 | alehandro | ;)) |
| 22:49.14 | alehandro | our customers did not object to the fact that i licensed it on GPL |
| 22:50.26 | syntux | http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/702 |
| 22:51.04 | erstazi | syntux, last time I checked, that torrent is down |
| 22:51.12 | syntux | yeah |
| 22:52.09 | syntux | I prefer using vmware for such thing as I do many things with my laptop and I prefer to keep my install clean for desktop use only |
| 22:52.17 | syntux | I do study and test things over vmware |
| 22:52.20 | syntux | much better and cleaner |
| 22:52.28 | alehandro | syntux, good thing's |
| 22:53.41 | erstazi | syntux, I do myself also |
| 22:54.12 | alehandro | syntux, there is something like that with maemo 2.2? ;) |
| 22:54.40 | syntux | alehandro, no but I guess I can build an image |
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| 22:54.45 | erstazi | I was wondering that myself |
| 22:54.53 | erstazi | hello MobileSim |
| 22:55.11 | MobileSim | Hey. |
| 22:55.36 | alehandro | hi |
| 22:55.48 | syntux | alehandro, but would need to install ubuntu minimal and install apps on it |
| 22:56.10 | alehandro | syntux, i old debian user ;) |
| 22:56.48 | syntux | alehandro, how old ? :p |
| 22:57.19 | alehandro | syntux, I liked the complete decision Maemo Development Appliance |
| 22:57.27 | alehandro | syntux, more than 7 years old |
| 22:57.34 | alehandro | before -- bsd user |
| 22:57.44 | syntux | cool |
| 22:58.15 | syntux | alehandro, Ok, I'll try to make that appliance this weekend, I'm running out of space and waiting for my 320GB maxtor :D |
| 23:00.25 | alehandro | my linux box live on 20Gb hdd ;) |
| 23:00.40 | erstazi | heh |
| 23:00.57 | erstazi | what filesystem do you use? |
| 23:01.22 | syntux | I have 100GB on my laptop and 160 on home server and both are full of distro ISOs and movies :D |
| 23:01.24 | alehandro | ext3fs, and riserFS for big partitions with music and films |
| 23:01.46 | alehandro | on elvm |
| 23:02.20 | erstazi | ah |
| 23:03.05 | alehandro | on home server i have 800Gb totaly space ;) |
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| 23:04.37 | alehandro | I dream for IBM Blade server with fiber optical channel communications ;) |
| 23:06.45 | alehandro | My wife, or to dissolve the brain or kill me;) |
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| 23:08.07 | MobileSim | Is the 800 generally more stable than the 770? |
| 23:08.35 | zakx | it has a stand, so maybe it'll fall less often |
| 23:08.37 | zakx | scnr. |
| 23:08.59 | MobileSim | Software-wise, I meant. :p |
| 23:11.25 | sp3000 | it has more memory so you'll be less likely to run into reliability issues partly triggered by low memory (or slowness if you swap) |
| 23:11.52 | sp3000 | but I haven't really used 770 so I can't say much from experience |
| 23:12.07 | alehandro | software may be some memory leaks... |
| 23:14.07 | MobileSim | On the other hand, I'm loving Vim more now than I was on the desktop. |
| 23:14.30 | MobileSim | mouse=a in vimrc is amazing. :P |
| 23:15.02 | alehandro | I do not represent how to live without vim |
| 23:15.06 | alehandro | ;) |
| 23:17.25 | alehandro | ;))) |
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| 23:18.07 | MobileSim | But yeah. I really wanna jump in and develop software, but I'm worried about platform stability in general. :( |
| 23:18.57 | alehandro | i use memwatch library to fix memory leaks, and platform more stability that you things |
| 23:19.31 | alehandro | yes, he need sometime's reboot on a develop stage |
| 23:20.13 | alehandro | but usually not needed for me |
| 23:21.07 | alehandro | I develop on nokia n800 about six months |
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| 23:26.35 | MobileSim | What language would have to be used for making applets? |
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| 23:32.42 | gomia1 | dropped :-D |
| 23:33.29 | gomia1 | now it's time to wait for gomiam to get "Reset by peer" |
| 23:37.55 | erstazi | gomia1, ghost it |
| 23:38.09 | erstazi | /msg nickserv ghost gomiam password |
| 23:38.17 | gomia1 | I think I didn't even bother to register it :-D |
| 23:38.20 | erstazi | ah |
| 23:38.35 | erstazi | you could link them to one registered nick |
| 23:40.07 | alehandro | так вперед за циганской звездой кочевой, на рассвет где горят паруса ;)) |
| 23:40.11 | alehandro | oh |
| 23:40.15 | alehandro | sry not here) |
| 23:40.27 | gomia1 | XD |
| 23:40.52 | gomia1 | alehandro, you might consider no typing letters upside down :-P |
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| 23:41.15 | gomia1 | erstazi: yeah, I could... too lazy I guess |
| 23:41.59 | alehandro | gomia1, it's specificial for russian koi8-r encoding after recode to other encodings ;) |
| 23:42.59 | gomia1 | alehandro: just pulling your leg. It showed cyrillic alright here |
| 23:43.14 | gomia1 | (and me thinking you were a Spaniard) |
| 23:45.09 | erstazi | alehandro, о tsiganskoy звезде номада |
| 23:45.27 | gomia1 | no me toquéis las narices :-P |
| 23:45.39 | alehandro | ;) |
| 23:45.45 | gomia1 | :-D |
| 23:45.56 | erstazi | alehandro, did that sound alright? |
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| 23:46.48 | alehandro | erstazi, not all, but this was closely |
| 23:46.50 | alehandro | ;) |
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| 23:47.50 | vertoo | Hey all |
| 23:48.08 | erstazi | hi vertoo |
| 23:48.13 | alehandro | hello |
| 23:48.14 | gomia1 | btw, is anybody else here cataloging at Galaxy Zoo? |
| 23:48.31 | erstazi | gomia1, no, is that catalog for OS2007? |
| 23:48.52 | gomia1 | no, it's a project to classify galaxies |
| 23:49.06 | erstazi | ah |
| 23:49.13 | gomia1 | (as in spiral/elliptical, clockwise/counterclockwise elliptical, etc) |
| 23:49.20 | erstazi | ah I see |
| 23:49.25 | erstazi | now I recognize the name |
| 23:49.42 | alehandro | ericz, it's an excerpt from a gypsy folk song |
| 23:49.55 | alehandro | erstazi, |
| 23:49.56 | _Monkey | erstazi, are there any docs on porting apps from debian into N800 env ? |
| 23:50.10 | erstazi | _Monkey, forget erstazi, |
| 23:50.10 | _Monkey | erstazi: I forgot erstazi, |
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| 23:50.16 | erstazi | _Monkey, forget erstazi: |
| 23:50.16 | _Monkey | erstazi, I didn't have anything matching erstazi: |
| 23:50.22 | erstazi | hi jyro |
| 23:50.30 | jyro | hi |
| 23:50.31 | alehandro | _Monkey, http://test.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_porting_an_existing_application.html |
| 23:50.31 | _Monkey | alehandro: sorry... |
| 23:50.37 | gomia1 | XD |
| 23:50.47 | gomia1 | _Monkey, help |
| 23:51.11 | erstazi | how-to port is http://test.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_porting_an_existing_application.html |
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| 23:51.23 | alehandro | xD |
| 23:51.23 | erstazi | _Monkey, how-to port is http://test.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_porting_an_existing_application.html |
| 23:51.24 | _Monkey | OK, erstazi. |
| 23:51.30 | erstazi | how-to port? |
| 23:51.30 | _Monkey | how-to port is http://test.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_porting_an_existing_application.html |
| 23:51.43 | gomia1 | how-to? |
| 23:51.43 | erstazi | _Monkey, porting is http://test.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_porting_an_existing_application.html |
| 23:51.44 | _Monkey | OK, erstazi. |
| 23:52.00 | erstazi | gomia1, that isn't set, I would be fearful of setting that, too broad |
| 23:52.01 | alehandro | how-to? |
| 23:52.03 | alehandro | ;) |
| 23:52.08 | erstazi | unless it was an index for all the how-to's |
| 23:52.14 | erstazi | porting? |
| 23:52.15 | _Monkey | rumour has it porting is http://test.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_porting_an_existing_application.html |
| 23:52.17 | gomia1 | erstazi: I know. I was just testing. |
| 23:53.10 | gomia1 | see ya later. I'm going to play a bit of Sacred: Underworld |
