| 00:00.09 | pupnik | the program starts up just fine! |
| 00:00.15 | pupnik | doesn't run any psx games though :P |
| 00:00.48 | unique311 | reason behind that? |
| 00:01.01 | pupnik | i never tried compiling the plugin for the graphics |
| 00:01.24 | unique311 | disq, kagu won't display my billboard top 100 songs |
| 00:01.38 | pupnik | we'd need to find a software renderer that doesn't use opengl |
| 00:01.46 | pupnik | i think there is one out there |
| 00:01.56 | disq | unique311: billboard top 100 songs? |
| 00:02.00 | unique311 | i'll look |
| 00:02.32 | disq | maybe there's no album tag |
| 00:02.54 | unique311 | hmm |
| 00:03.35 | unique311 | maybe |
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| 00:04.09 | unique311 | shouldn't it pick up the songs on the mmc. |
| 00:04.36 | disq | it should. |
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| 00:05.19 | unique311 | i can't upload 1 track for you and you can take a look at it |
| 00:07.12 | unique311 | disq, could this be the issue File: 017 - Timbaland ft. Nelly Furtado & Justin - Give It To Me [Torrent-Tatty] (? Interscope).MP3 |
| 00:07.22 | unique311 | strange characters |
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| 00:09.42 | arj | hi. Is there a way to disable the minimize all apps functionality on the n770. I need the key in vnc |
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| 00:10.53 | pupnik | press the home button briefly (it2006 |
| 00:11.02 | pupnik | oh disable |
| 00:11.05 | pupnik | sorry |
| 00:11.20 | arj | yeah disable the house :-) |
| 00:11.34 | pupnik | i'd like to know that too! |
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| 00:12.09 | pupnik | if i could reassign that, i could have a button to pull up a vkbd for sdl and xlib programs |
| 00:12.35 | unique311 | non opengl software render pupnik.. |
| 00:12.51 | pupnik | yeah there's a plugin somewhere that does it all internally |
| 00:13.21 | pupnik | you might even be able to play those 2D adventures pretty fast |
| 00:14.21 | arj | there has to go be someone who knows it with all the 600 lurkers in here |
| 00:14.33 | unique311 | lol |
| 00:14.35 | unique311 | 600 |
| 00:14.45 | unique311 | 201 ove rhere |
| 00:14.45 | pupnik | plus, if we port a bad psx emu, zodttd will become annoyed at our feebleness and port a good emu! |
| 00:14.59 | pupnik | :) |
| 00:15.22 | unique311 | go to the opengl channel and ask.. |
| 00:15.32 | cesman | how is everyone playing games on the 770 or 800? |
| 00:15.40 | cesman | I don't mean Blocks |
| 00:15.42 | pupnik | no this has nothing to do with opengl |
| 00:15.46 | cesman | but emulated games |
| 00:16.07 | pupnik | we're playing them slowly, is what we're doing :P |
| 00:16.12 | cesman | I find it difficult to play with the dpad and the buttons where they are |
| 00:16.42 | pupnik | yeah there's a 40 euro bluetooth controller that's been reported to work. i play on the bluetooth keyboard. |
| 00:16.49 | unique311 | it is difficult.. |
| 00:16.55 | erstazi_ | i am going to set up slimserver |
| 00:16.58 | unique311 | but if you bored the controls don't matter |
| 00:18.20 | unique311 | got a suggestion |
| 00:18.22 | cesman | lol |
| 00:18.22 | unique311 | open maya |
| 00:20.11 | disq | unique311: can you run kagu-scanner from the cmdline and trace the output? |
| 00:20.27 | NeoStrider_ | cesman: smw, angstron, marbles, maemodrac , mahjong |
| 00:20.48 | NeoStrider_ | ahh |
| 00:20.51 | NeoStrider_ | emulated games |
| 00:20.54 | NeoStrider_ | dunno |
| 00:21.36 | pupnik | with that dpad, nothing that requires fast reflexes |
| 00:21.49 | Vertoo | pupnik: where did you say that host file was |
| 00:21.58 | pupnik | /etc/hosts |
| 00:22.06 | pupnik | be sure not to overwrite it |
| 00:22.20 | pupnik | append to it instead |
| 00:22.28 | unique311 | disq i would but i already deleted the folder from SD |
| 00:23.00 | unique311 | going to try another billboard top 100 and see if it was those funny strings in the tracks name |
| 00:23.21 | disq | mmm ok |
| 00:28.55 | NeoStrider_ | I was kind of lucky , as *tron games doesnt require too many keypresses at the same time or on a short space of time |
| 00:30.32 | unique311 | pupnik, http://www.pbernert.com/html/gpu.htm#SOFTLIN |
| 00:30.34 | unique311 | tis it |
| 00:31.33 | unique311 | x/sdl/dga2 |
| 00:31.57 | unique311 | thats the plugins thats going to make gaming on the psx happen |
| 00:32.17 | pupnik | need source :/ |
| 00:32.29 | unique311 | its on the link |
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| 00:32.50 | pupnik | http://www.pbernert.com/gpupeopssoftx117.tar.gz <- executeable |
| 00:33.03 | pupnik | ahh there's a sourceforge page... |
| 00:33.08 | unique311 | maybe it will work. |
| 00:34.18 | Vertoo | whats the terminal command to edit a text file? |
| 00:34.37 | pupnik | vi, but you need to learn a bit of vi to use it |
| 00:36.34 | NeoStrider_ | how to quit vi? =-P |
| 00:36.38 | NeoStrider_ | im more a emacs guy |
| 00:36.57 | pupnik | esc to exit insert mode then ZZ or :wq to write and quit |
| 00:37.23 | unique311 | http://peops.cvs.sourceforge.net/peops/ |
| 00:37.30 | Vertoo | what do i add to block a domain oer site? |
| 00:37.40 | unique311 | only able to find src in CVS page |
| 00:37.46 | unique311 | but everything is in there |
| 00:38.01 | pupnik | add a line like this to /etc/hosts |
| 00:38.15 | pupnik | 127.0.0.1 www.adserver.net adserver.net |
| 00:39.00 | Pio | man |
| 00:39.07 | Pio | so chsh'ing user is a really bad idea eh? |
| 00:39.38 | unique311 | pupnik, http://peops.cvs.sourceforge.net/peops/gpuPeopsSoft/readme_1_2.txt?revision=1.1.1.1&view=markup yet another link |
| 00:39.47 | unique311 | check out the readme on the software gpu |
| 00:40.35 | pupnik | ok |
| 00:44.47 | unique311 | let me know how it turns out... |
| 00:45.27 | pupnik | reading |
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| 00:46.37 | pupnik | there are a few incompatibilities |
| 00:47.11 | pupnik | it's not going to build without changes |
| 00:47.58 | pupnik | i'll try it on the pc first to see what it's like :) |
| 00:48.10 | pupnik | ooh wait i need to find my old game cds |
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| 01:19.48 | trevarthan | Just in case someone hasn't noticed yet, we've got a 1.0 binary release of Kagu available now (thanks to disq for all his hard work!): http://maemo.org/downloads/product/kagu |
| 01:23.58 | milhouse | just tried it |
| 01:24.04 | milhouse | and it's not working :( |
| 01:24.11 | trevarthan | oh yeah? |
| 01:24.12 | _Monkey | yeah is, like, there a map that kinda puts all that into a table so people new to the maemo scene have an easier time of it? :) |
| 01:24.19 | milhouse | nothing happens when i run the scanner or kagu from extras |
| 01:24.24 | milhouse | this is on 4.2007/n800 |
| 01:24.28 | trevarthan | shut up monkey. |
| 01:24.30 | milhouse | so i ran kagu in xterm |
| 01:24.55 | milhouse | and i get the following |
| 01:24.57 | milhouse | ~ $ kagu |
| 01:24.58 | milhouse | Traceback (most recent call last): |
| 01:24.58 | milhouse | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:24.58 | milhouse | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:24.58 | milhouse | ImportError: No module named pygame |
| 01:25.08 | trevarthan | ah crap. |
| 01:25.14 | trevarthan | you've got python 2.5? |
| 01:25.18 | milhouse | no |
| 01:25.24 | trevarthan | that's the problem. |
| 01:25.33 | trevarthan | looks like our dep restrictions aren't working. |
| 01:25.33 | milhouse | ah, so thats a dependency? |
| 01:25.46 | trevarthan | yeah |
| 01:25.53 | milhouse | ok let me grab python 2.5 |
| 01:26.57 | disq | no it's pygame. python2.5 is in the dependency list |
| 01:26.59 | milhouse | just had a scary moment installing kagu... my device ran out of memory! i only have xterm, pidgin, skype and media streamer installed... christ knows how i ran out of flash memory |
| 01:27.06 | milhouse | ah ok |
| 01:27.17 | milhouse | where do i get pygame? |
| 01:27.29 | trevarthan | comes with python 2.5. |
| 01:27.46 | milhouse | so i should install python 2.5 because i don't seem to have python installed yet |
| 01:27.49 | milhouse | ? |
| 01:27.58 | milhouse | python2.5-runtime |
| 01:28.09 | trevarthan | that's installed on your system? |
| 01:28.13 | milhouse | no |
| 01:28.21 | trevarthan | that's what you need then. |
| 01:28.26 | milhouse | that's the only pythong2.5 i have listed for installation |
| 01:28.31 | milhouse | ok, installing now... |
| 01:28.46 | trevarthan | we'll fix the dep. |
| 01:28.53 | unique311 | it works over here |
| 01:29.23 | unique311 | 1 issue i have...the scrolling is ttoo fast. |
| 01:29.31 | trevarthan | milhouse: I'm not sure about the running out of flash ram thing. kagu itself chews up a lot of ram at runtime, but the installer should be just a normal install. |
| 01:29.37 | milhouse | hurrah... that seems to have worked |
| 01:29.52 | milhouse | do you get the runtime warnings about cdrom etc? |
| 01:29.54 | trevarthan | unique311: so don't flick it. drag it instead. |
| 01:30.06 | unique311 | disq, it was the the funny stings in the tracks names....i tried a different billboard top 100 and it works. |
| 01:30.19 | unique311 | but then its too slow trevarthan |
| 01:30.30 | milhouse | trevarthan - don't worry, i'm sure that has nothing to do with kagu and all to do with the OS |
| 01:30.32 | unique311 | it jumps also when i drag it |
| 01:30.35 | trevarthan | so don't flick it so fast. |
| 01:30.59 | trevarthan | unique311: how many tracks are in the album you're dealing with? |
| 01:31.04 | milhouse | i just deleted 16Mb of documents (the pdf manuals) and my internal flash memory usage went down from 85% to 30% - go figure, the N800 can't add up to save it's life |
| 01:31.46 | milhouse | bear in mind it's supposed to have 256Mb internal flash... |
| 01:31.58 | milhouse | successfully scanned my media... |
| 01:31.59 | trevarthan | unique311: you can also use the dpad to move up/down the list. |
| 01:32.04 | milhouse | oh and kagu shut down |
| 01:32.09 | milhouse | when i clicked the ok button |
| 01:32.22 | milhouse | starting it again |
| 01:32.36 | milhouse | loading album art this time |
| 01:32.36 | unique311 | dpad, doesn't do the cool scrolling |
| 01:32.37 | trevarthan | milhouse: kagu-scanner is separate from kagu itself. |
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| 01:32.50 | trevarthan | nope. |
| 01:33.15 | unique311 | kagu wouldn't list File: 017 - Timbaland ft. Nelly Furtado & Justin - Give It To Me [Torrent-Tatty] (? Interscope).MP3 |
| 01:33.18 | milhouse | the inertial scrolling is... interesting. possibly a little too fast |
| 01:33.28 | unique311 | see |
| 01:33.34 | unique311 | not the only one trevarthan |
| 01:33.40 | trevarthan | :) |
| 01:33.42 | milhouse | it needs a bit of damping :) |
| 01:33.54 | unique311 | we demand damping |
| 01:33.54 | trevarthan | see if you can get used to it. |
| 01:34.01 | milhouse | mind you it's my first time, maybe it will grow on me :) |
| 01:34.05 | milhouse | aye |
| 01:34.19 | milhouse | right... how do i get the a2dp working? |
| 01:34.26 | unique311 | come on milhouse, we gotta fight for the right to damping |
| 01:34.39 | trevarthan | milhouse: you've got mplayer and a2dpd and all that installed? |
| 01:34.51 | milhouse | no - thought a2dp came with kagu |
| 01:35.01 | trevarthan | just so you two know: I'm listening to everything you say. |
| 01:35.06 | milhouse | and i haven't got mplayer installed... argh, bloody os upgrades :) |
| 01:35.14 | milhouse | off to get mplayer |
| 01:35.15 | trevarthan | milhouse: no, it's a separate install. |
| 01:35.30 | milhouse | anychance of double clicking to select album or song? |
| 01:35.33 | trevarthan | you can't use mplayer from maemo.org either. gotta use the one from my site. |
| 01:35.42 | milhouse | ok off there now |
| 01:35.51 | unique311 | trevarthan, http://codeposts.blogspot.com/2007/07/iphone-like-list-view.html |
| 01:35.58 | trevarthan | milhouse: http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages#Bluetooth_ALSA |
| 01:36.07 | unique311 | maybe he can help ya guys out |
| 01:37.10 | trevarthan | unique311: is that not exactly how Kagu's list works? |
| 01:37.37 | unique311 | no |
| 01:37.40 | unique311 | it doesn't |
| 01:37.48 | trevarthan | enlighten me. looks the same to me. |
| 01:38.07 | unique311 | ok you told me not to flick fast and i don't.. |
| 01:38.10 | unique311 | and it jumps.. |
| 01:38.41 | unique311 | when i say jump... |
| 01:38.55 | unique311 | i mean skips |
| 01:39.09 | unique311 | skips frames it looks like |
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| 01:40.11 | trevarthan | unique311: this is on an n800? |
| 01:40.38 | unique311 | yes |
| 01:40.48 | unique311 | guess i don't know how to flick yet |
| 01:41.04 | trevarthan | sounds like you're having CPU load problems. |
| 01:41.10 | trevarthan | anything running in the background? |
| 01:41.44 | unique311 | connected to my wire signal |
| 01:41.47 | unique311 | thats all |
| 01:42.02 | trevarthan | shouldn't "skip" doesn't here. |
| 01:42.02 | unique311 | i can restart the device and try |
| 01:42.18 | trevarthan | can you run `top` and see what's chewing up CPU? |
| 01:44.05 | unique311 | k |
| 01:44.25 | disq | i released kagu 1.0.1 to fix the pygame missing dependency. it will be available for pickup in extras repository in a few minutes |
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| 01:45.42 | unique311 | clocking kagu at 14% |
| 01:46.00 | trevarthan | that's it? |
| 01:46.13 | trevarthan | can you try to press harder on the screen maybe? |
| 01:46.29 | unique311 | maemo-launcher at 8.6 |
| 01:46.36 | trevarthan | I'm confused as to why you're having difficulty with this. :) |
| 01:47.12 | unique311 | kinetic scrolling is it? |
| 01:47.51 | trevarthan | different name, same idea, yeah |
| 01:48.11 | trevarthan | maybe what you're seeing is screen "tearing". |
| 01:48.12 | unique311 | guess i was a kinetic scroll virgin.. |
| 01:48.23 | unique311 | pressing on the screen is good |
| 01:48.29 | trevarthan | that helps? |
| 01:48.32 | unique311 | yes |
| 01:48.48 | trevarthan | ah. ok. thank you. I'll be sure to mention that first next time someone mentions it. |
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| 01:49.09 | trevarthan | I'm a little unhappy with how much pressure is required too. But I can't help that. :) |
| 01:50.05 | unique311 | still the video on that link, i'm not seeing the same type of scroll. seems cleaner in the video |
| 01:50.17 | trevarthan | That's the tearing you're seeing. |
| 01:50.37 | trevarthan | pygame tears on the n800 due to vsync issues. Same thing happens in canola. |
| 01:50.50 | unique311 | ok |
| 01:50.53 | trevarthan | I think that's one of the reasons why the canola people are moving to evas. |
| 01:51.02 | unique311 | the guy is using python and edje |
| 01:51.10 | trevarthan | edje = evas, I think |
| 01:51.43 | unique311 | k...so i guess you guys will get on the bandwagon after kagu gets notice more by the community |
| 01:52.05 | trevarthan | BTW, I think I had "kinetic" or "inertial" scrolling in kagu before anyone else. But I'm slow to make releases (took about a month), so UKMP beat me to it. :) |
| 01:52.26 | unique311 | UKMP is not playing nice right now.. |
| 01:52.42 | unique311 | doesn't show all my tracks.. |
| 01:52.47 | trevarthan | not sure if we'll go to edje or not. gotta play with it sometime. might stick with pygame for a while. |
| 01:52.57 | trevarthan | yeah. it's a bit sloppy with sorting too. |
| 01:53.18 | disq | i saw the edge tutorial the canola guys posted, the code isn't neat and clean |
| 01:53.21 | disq | that's un-kagu :P |
| 01:53.37 | unique311 | un-kagu |
| 01:54.11 | disq | i'm kinda proud of the clean codebase trev accomplished |
| 01:54.35 | unique311 | What should we expect next major release of kagu? |
| 01:59.56 | disq | unique311: https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/browser/trunk/TTD |
| 01:59.56 | trevarthan | from me: 1.) a song position view, 2.) maybe song position bookmarking for audio books. |
| 01:59.56 | trevarthan | 3.) hopefully lower memory usage |
| 01:59.56 | unique311 | coug cough, black theme |
| 01:59.56 | trevarthan | 4.) we need a theme developer so kagu doesn't look like crap. hopefully someone will step up. |
| 01:59.56 | trevarthan | honestly, I probably never would have been motivated to do a 1.0 release without disq's help. :) |
| 01:59.56 | trevarthan | I was avoiding the Makefile and debian dir like the plague for about a month. :) |
| 01:59.56 | disq | yeah. at first i was too |
| 02:01.23 | unique311 | the sprites.png |
| 02:02.08 | unique311 | thats the only thing that needs modification to change the theme? |
| 02:02.16 | unique311 | ? |
| 02:02.48 | trevarthan | The rectangle regions are defined in the sqlite db too. |
| 02:03.06 | trevarthan | so yeah, if you modify everything in place and don't change the width/height of anything, that's it. |
| 02:03.33 | trevarthan | if you want to go farther than that, I can work with you and hopefully make it easier for future themers. |
| 02:04.05 | disq | yeah we'll have to implement a theme installer by the time we have more than a couple themes. hopefully |
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| 02:04.11 | trevarthan | I sent a long-ass email to one guy interested in theme development earlier in the week. think I scared him away. :) |
| 02:04.40 | trevarthan | so, if we get community interest, I'm willing to do a 1.1 release based strictly on theme support. |
| 02:04.43 | disq | kagu 1.0.1 is out in the extras repository as of now, installing it should install all the required deps (pygame) |
| 02:05.35 | milhouse | rebooting (step 9) :) |
| 02:05.37 | unique311 | see if i can throw some stuff together.. |
| 02:05.55 | milhouse | and wouldn't you know, the battery on my n800 has gone from 3 bars to 1 |
| 02:05.59 | milhouse | ffs |
| 02:06.46 | trevarthan | unique311: check the DB class in kagu-scanner.py if you need to modify the default rectangle regions. |
| 02:07.02 | unique311 | k |
| 02:07.15 | unique311 | don't think i will mess with that.. |
| 02:07.20 | unique311 | yet |
| 02:07.51 | unique311 | going to leave everything as is and try out a different color layour |
| 02:08.07 | trevarthan | milhouse: I'm going to finally upgrade my firmware tonight to the latest, so I'll be reinstalling all that alsa-bluetooth crap too. I'll try to make things easier as I go. |
| 02:08.12 | unique311 | i'll let you see it when i get done |
| 02:08.18 | unique311 | change those arrows. |
| 02:08.19 | _Monkey | unique311: that doesn't look right |
| 02:08.29 | milhouse | hurrah - bt audio :) |
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| 02:08.34 | milhouse | (step 10) |
| 02:08.50 | trevarthan | unique311: you don't like my crappy arrow sprites?!? |
| 02:09.02 | unique311 | your gradient usage is good..but could be better |
| 02:09.05 | unique311 | lol |
| 02:09.27 | trevarthan | It's all _Monkey crap. fix it and I'll love you forever. |
| 02:09.54 | milhouse | now got bt audio via kagu - sweet :) |
| 02:10.14 | unique311 | when you can send me the email....hopefully it doesn't scare me away....unique11226@gmail.com |
| 02:10.21 | disq | hey check out the power saving features too. though i think they are seemless :P |
| 02:10.30 | trevarthan | milhouse: let me know if you get any spontaneous reboots after using a2dp audio. I was getting some earlier today for the first time in quite a while. |
| 02:10.34 | disq | when the screen is off it stops updating/scrolling and resumes when it's on again |
| 02:10.58 | milhouse | the volume control scrolling is a bit tricky |
| 02:11.41 | milhouse | is there any way to change volume without clicking the bluetooth icon? |
| 02:11.43 | trevarthan | milhouse: yeah, a slide bar probably makes more sense there. but the scroll widget was already implemented. |
| 02:11.52 | trevarthan | milhouse: rockers on the top |
| 02:12.16 | trevarthan | (you know, the usual volume buttons) |
| 02:12.28 | milhouse | ah yes :) |
| 02:12.37 | milhouse | i thought they may be forward/reverse |
| 02:12.48 | trevarthan | nah, that's left/right on the dpad |
| 02:12.50 | unique311 | trevarthan, the color of the current theme...matches the actual birds colors..nice |
| 02:12.54 | milhouse | ta |
| 02:13.07 | trevarthan | unique311: accidental, actually. :) |
| 02:13.12 | NeoStrider_ | "ta"? |
| 02:13.18 | unique311 | even better |
| 02:13.18 | NeoStrider_ | where are you from, milhouse? |
| 02:13.34 | disq | nothing like eating ramen at 5 in the morning |
| 02:14.15 | milhouse | right better go rechard this sucker before it dies on me and eats an sdhc card ;) |
| 02:14.37 | unique311 | maybe i can find a rare colored kagu |
| 02:14.40 | milhouse | s/rechard/recharge/ |
| 02:19.21 | milhouse | have either of you guys got an iPhone? just so that you can rip off any good ideas :D |
| 02:21.27 | milhouse | can kagu start a2dpd if it's not running (and shut it down when exiting or exiting from bluetooth mode)? |
| 02:22.39 | disq | yeah |
| 02:22.56 | milhouse | that would be nice |
| 02:23.19 | milhouse | save me having to remember and start an xterm session |
| 02:23.20 | milhouse | :) |
| 02:23.21 | trevarthan | it starts it up when you hit the a2dpd button. |
| 02:23.31 | milhouse | oh it does it already? cool |
| 02:23.49 | trevarthan | yeah. I'm not sure what happens if it's already running, but it's probably not good. |
| 02:24.11 | milhouse | it seemed to work for me just now - i already had it running as i followed the instructions from the web site |
| 02:24.33 | milhouse | does it shut it down if it was started by kagu? |
| 02:24.38 | trevarthan | yeah |
| 02:24.46 | trevarthan | shuts down mplayer too, btw. |
| 02:24.59 | trevarthan | defaults to using osso-media-player when not using a2dp. |
| 02:25.01 | milhouse | mine is still running after i exited from kagu, but then kagu didn't start it so maybe that's why |
| 02:25.17 | milhouse | a2dpd that is |
| 02:25.19 | trevarthan | I'd shut kagu down, kill everything, then start it back up. |
| 02:25.20 | disq | trevarthan: osso-media-server to be precise |
| 02:25.27 | trevarthan | righto. :) |
| 02:25.30 | milhouse | let me give that a try |
| 02:25.50 | trevarthan | flashing my firmware now. weeee.... |
| 02:26.07 | trevarthan | took me 5 minute to figure out that I had to be root to flash. geez. |
| 02:26.16 | NeoStrider_ | gtg |
| 02:26.18 | NeoStrider_ | bye fellows |
| 02:26.21 | trevarthan | cya |
| 02:26.22 | NeoStrider_ | it was a nice weekend |
| 02:27.11 | trevarthan | milhouse: you didn't get a spontaneous reboot when you exited kagu, did you? |
| 02:28.02 | milhouse | no |
| 02:28.18 | milhouse | and kagu just worked perfectly - started and stopped a2dpd/mplayer when needed. nice. |
| 02:28.32 | milhouse | no spontaneous reboots so far |
| 02:28.38 | trevarthan | good. |
| 02:29.07 | trevarthan | have you noticed that the scroll widget gets a little slower when playing back a2dp audio? |
| 02:29.25 | milhouse | yes, it's certainly less smooth |
| 02:29.39 | trevarthan | yeah. a2dpd chews up too much cpu. |
| 02:29.50 | milhouse | figured as much |
| 02:30.31 | milhouse | so neither of you has an iphone? |
| 02:31.53 | erstazi | it shocked me when they said that the iphone uses the ARM arch. |
| 02:32.03 | milhouse | what else would it use? |
| 02:32.16 | milhouse | not much out there that can beat it |
| 02:32.18 | erstazi | milhouse, there are different archs |
| 02:32.19 | milhouse | right now |
| 02:32.21 | trevarthan | nah. you wanna ship me one? |
| 02:32.41 | milhouse | trevarthan: not via London :) |
| 02:32.50 | milhouse | erstazi: sure - but which are better? |
| 02:33.15 | erstazi | milhouse, I don't have an opinion on that, not qualified in that field |
| 02:33.27 | milhouse | erstazi: so why were you shocked? |
| 02:33.27 | erstazi | so far I would say the ARM arch is very nice |
| 02:33.36 | erstazi | milhouse, just there are other archs |
| 02:34.50 | trevarthan | anyone notice that double click *never* works in the control panel? |
| 02:34.59 | milhouse | there's a bug discussing that |
| 02:35.16 | milhouse | hang on... some justification for it along the lines it's a list |
| 02:36.46 | milhouse | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1082 |
| 02:37.25 | milhouse | now i understand that, it makes it easier to use - not sure that makes it right though, and it's a tough job convincing Nokia that it sucks. |
| 02:38.44 | trevarthan | I don't mind double click, but usually it's like a tripple or quadruple click for me. two never does it. |
| 02:39.38 | trevarthan | new firmware seems a lot more responsive to button clicks and such |
| 02:40.00 | trevarthan | that's the touchscreen upgrades, I guess? |
| 02:40.46 | pupnik | unique311: new video of ps1 on gp2x - great framerates...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lhe-uSMSMLA |
| 02:41.09 | erstazi | well, with Apple now shipping computers with Intel's processors, you would think that they could have went with 8051,... but there are at least 8 or more different archs that are embedded archs |
| 02:42.05 | cesman | didn't Intel purchase ARM a few years back? |
| 02:42.05 | unique311 | fast |
| 02:42.16 | erstazi | cesman, possible |
| 02:42.30 | pupnik | they purchased a license for the architecture, afaik |
| 02:43.23 | pupnik | unique311: have you tried pcsx on ubuntu? (it's a simple apt-get) i can't figure out how to use freakin keyboard controls |
| 02:43.36 | pupnik | the only plugins it comes with are for joystick controllers |
| 02:43.45 | trevarthan | hmmm.... new firmware isn't letting me install kagu or python 2.5. says I need libsdl and libglade and some other stuff. |
| 02:44.01 | cesman | that is pretty fast! |
| 02:44.33 | unique311 | i doubt if the P.E.op.S soft GPU plugin will give that result |
| 02:44.46 | cesman | again... I hope the next IT is the offspring of the GP2x and the 800... |
| 02:45.12 | unique311 | nokia get opengl going on the N800 |
| 02:45.23 | unique311 | won't need a next IT |
| 02:45.36 | unique311 | BUY THE FREAKING LICENSE... |
| 02:45.46 | trevarthan | lol |
| 02:46.14 | unique311 | scared the monkey |
| 02:47.14 | disq | on power management ARM is still ahead |
| 02:47.21 | trevarthan | maybe he finally snuck up on milhouse and clubbed him with a banana |
| 02:47.39 | pupnik | unique still working through the errors on the peopls plugin |
| 02:47.52 | disq | trevarthan: did you try the auto-install thingy? |
| 02:47.56 | trevarthan | python 2.5 install from pymaemo project works, but not the one on garage. needs another repo.... |
| 02:48.24 | disq | can't provide more than one repo with .install files |
| 02:48.36 | trevarthan | yeah |
| 02:48.37 | milhouse | Intel acquired the StrongARM division from DEC... they didn't buy ARM |
| 02:48.58 | milhouse | and while there are other architectures, few can touch the maturity of ARM |
| 02:49.11 | disq | strongarm's a funny name. like vnc flavors (strongvnc, tightvnc, realvnc, and some more) |
| 02:49.16 | milhouse | and x86 ain't nowhere close in terms of power management |
| 02:49.23 | trevarthan | disq: can we put a disclaimer on the maemo.org download page somewhere stating that python 2.5 is required from the pymaemo site first? |
| 02:49.49 | disq | trevarthan: we could write a installation.txt and put it up in the release dir? |
| 02:49.50 | erstazi | x86 is horrible with power consumption |
| 02:49.56 | milhouse | And Intel have now offloaded their ARM division to Marvell |
| 02:50.18 | trevarthan | disq: how would people view it? |
| 02:50.18 | milhouse | but it will improve with the 45nm chips (they're not full x86, kind of like Pentium M's again) |
| 02:50.35 | disq | trevarthan: they'd have to be looking for it :) |
| 02:50.43 | disq | garage is limiting that way |
| 02:50.51 | milhouse | I seriously believe Intel have the skill to get "x86" down to ARM power levels |
| 02:50.55 | disq | the project description can't exceed 250 characters |
| 02:51.09 | trevarthan | disq: nm then. that's not worth doing... |
| 02:51.16 | pupnik | milhouse: there are reasons it's not there yet |
| 02:51.37 | milhouse | quite... but the chips are coming that go one step further to competing head on with ARM |
| 02:51.42 | milhouse | maybe not the next generation... |
| 02:51.45 | disq | trevarthan: but it won't install python2.5 from the garage then it's another pymaemo BS |
| 02:51.55 | pupnik | x86 SUCKS |
| 02:52.03 | trevarthan | disq: BS? |
| 02:52.04 | pupnik | it's actually evil |
| 02:52.07 | milhouse | I suspect the chips coming in mid 2008 will still be at least one order of magnitude less efficient than ARM |
| 02:52.15 | disq | trevarthan: bull crap :) |
| 02:52.38 | disq | mm it's there in the bora repository though: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/bora/free/p/ |
| 02:52.45 | trevarthan | disq: oh well. not our fault python 2.5's installer sucks. |
| 02:55.01 | trevarthan | disq: install went very smoothly with bare new firmware besides the python 2.5 issue. |
| 02:55.15 | trevarthan | osso-media-server rocks! |
| 02:55.53 | disq | closed source software don't rock :P |
| 02:56.24 | trevarthan | eh? I don't really care so long as it ships with the n800 and doesn't crash. we could force everyone to use mplayer... but why? |
| 02:56.35 | disq | trevarthan: btw, using mplayer, receiving a voip call pauses, and ending a voip call resumes playback. with osso-media-server it won't resume after the call ends |
| 02:56.50 | trevarthan | ah |
| 02:56.56 | trevarthan | fixable? |
| 02:57.06 | disq | because we can't track states precisely (seen my commented code in ossoplayer::_interrupt()? ) |
| 02:57.19 | trevarthan | new touchscreen driver feels much more responsive with kagu. |
| 02:57.36 | trevarthan | I skimmed it. Didn't read too hard. |
| 02:58.35 | disq | https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=979&group_id=40&atid=229 |
| 03:01.44 | trevarthan | letting my wife play with Kagu 1.0.1. she hasn't played with it since pre-disq days. :) see if it rocks her world. |
| 03:01.49 | cesman | trevarthan: congrats on 1.0! |
| 03:02.09 | trevarthan | thank you! It's all disq's doing. thank him too. |
| 03:02.23 | cesman | disq: congrats on 1.0.1! |
| 03:02.25 | cesman | :) |
| 03:03.37 | pupnik | i forgot what i have to do to invoke "gtk-config" in scratchbox |
| 03:04.21 | pupnik | hmm pkg-config |
| 03:05.13 | pupnik | "he who can google has the advantage" |
| 03:06.37 | disq | :) |
| 03:06.52 | disq | pkgconfig rocks |
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| 03:15.18 | pupnik | well i have a program that is built around (apparently) gtk1.2 and substituting pkgconfig for gtk-config led to many wrong includes |
| 03:15.36 | pupnik | i.e. tons of errors because it didn't have the types |
| 03:15.50 | pupnik | GtkWidget undeclared etc |
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| 03:17.58 | pupnik | but gtk.h is right there in /usr/include/gtk-2.0/gtk/gtk.h |
| 03:18.13 | pupnik | but conf.c says gtk/gtk.h no such file or directory |
| 03:18.31 | disq | i have a program built around gtk1.2 that i'm willing to port to hildon someday too |
| 03:18.44 | pupnik | so pkg-config -cflags must be giving badness |
| 03:18.59 | disq | it's called guitar, it's like an archive file UI thingy |
| 03:19.24 | pupnik | heh |
| 03:19.29 | pupnik | --cflags i meant |
| 03:23.44 | pupnik | ok it's pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.0 |
| 03:25.03 | pupnik | woooooo \o/ |
| 03:28.11 | DaniloCesar | pupnik, Hi! Did you test your app (that game) with a N800 again? |
| 03:28.24 | pupnik | i don't have a n800 |
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| 03:35.18 | pupnik | ok changing a gtk1.2 to gtk2.0 config menu without knowing any gtk is not doable |
| 03:35.30 | pupnik | can i build gtk1.2 libs for ITOS and have them work? |
| 03:36.06 | disq | not a good idea, why not fix the app |
| 03:36.30 | pupnik | i'll fix it all right |
| 03:36.38 | pupnik | i'll strip out the whole config menu |
| 03:37.30 | pupnik | there's no need for the menu config - it can all be done in textfile |
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| 03:41.07 | pupnik | mwahaha :) |
| 03:52.26 | trevarthan | :) I'm still installing crap after my firmware upgrade. responsiveness is killer in new firmware. It's amazing. |
| 03:53.02 | pupnik | btw trev, you on mmc or internal flash? |
| 03:53.59 | trevarthan | both |
| 03:54.04 | trevarthan | well, internal |
| 03:54.12 | trevarthan | I don't run sardine or anything |
| 03:55.26 | trevarthan | I just use mmc for songs/videos/etc |
| 03:56.50 | pupnik | ok i just put 2006 on mmc today and it's great! everything's snappier |
| 03:57.14 | pupnik | it's a whole new feeling when things get snappier isn't it :) |
| 03:57.50 | trevarthan | it really is. |
| 03:57.59 | erstazi | pupnik, you have a 770 and it had 2005 on it? |
| 03:58.02 | trevarthan | I think I just fell in love with my n800 all over again |
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| 03:58.16 | pupnik | no 2006 on internal flash |
| 03:58.20 | pupnik | putting it on mmc sped it up |
| 03:59.07 | trevarthan | what |
| 03:59.13 | trevarthan | what's the default root pw again? |
| 03:59.43 | pupnik | rootme |
| 03:59.56 | erstazi | yeah I changed the default root password very quickly |
| 04:01.13 | trevarthan | new camera app kicks ass too. so much faster |
| 04:02.21 | trevarthan | not sure how to take video with it though |
| 04:03.49 | unique311 | trevarthan, this first try at the theme is a test...checked out the kagu-scanner.py db class...not scared at all to change things around. doesn't seem hard at all.. |
| 04:04.07 | unique311 | had a good time mapping buttons on the POSE emulator.. |
| 04:05.56 | unique311 | do you still have the the psd file of the theme being used now? |
| 04:06.11 | unique311 | or AI..doubt it was done in illustrator |
| 04:06.38 | trevarthan | I used gimp. just edited it raw |
| 04:06.40 | pupnik | unique311: i got the gpu plugin ported |
| 04:06.52 | unique311 | nice |
| 04:07.04 | pupnik | now i have to do all the other plugins |
| 04:07.15 | pupnik | and i can't find out a FREAKING keyboard plugin |
| 04:07.32 | unique311 | guy on the forum was right...you are on a roll. |
| 04:07.43 | pupnik | ALL the sites i find are about 'how do i get my usb pad plugin working'? |
| 04:07.51 | pupnik | well this is a pointless exercise |
| 04:08.02 | pupnik | and i blame you :) |
| 04:08.15 | unique311 | compliment, thanks.. |
| 04:08.47 | unique311 | you ask for a software renderer that did use opengl.. |
| 04:08.53 | unique311 | i just found it for ya.. |
| 04:09.01 | pupnik | source? |
| 04:09.24 | unique311 | keyboard plugin...looking right now. |
| 04:13.10 | trevarthan | unique311: you can email it to me when you're done, or disq, or just let us know where to download it. |
| 04:13.22 | trevarthan | take your time. |
| 04:13.30 | disq | email us both we're curious :) |
| 04:13.38 | unique311 | trevarthan, using illustrator..should look really good. |
| 04:13.55 | unique311 | can't go wrong with vector |
| 04:14.30 | trevarthan | true |
| 04:14.40 | pupnik | psemu-input-omnijoy ok this might work |
| 04:20.49 | trevarthan | wow. battery usage is awesome with the new firmware. so much better. |
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| 04:25.24 | trevarthan | youtube still sucks. oh well. |
| 04:26.25 | unique311 | actually it doesnt |
| 04:27.07 | unique311 | just gotta pause and wait till it dl the whole video. and then play it |
| 04:27.32 | unique311 | but doing this on a weak internet connection and a large video still suck |
| 04:27.37 | unique311 | wait time |
| 04:28.56 | trevarthan | ah. gotta try that |
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| 04:44.39 | erstazi | trevarthan, do you have a 770 or N800? |
| 04:46.58 | trevarthan | n800 |
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| 04:53.12 | trevarthan | huh. xchat is sweet. |
| 04:54.33 | erstazi | xchat is nice, I use it as my primarily irc client when I am GUI but on my server I use irssi |
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| 04:55.22 | trevarthan | same here |
| 04:55.48 | trevarthan | now if only I had a nice way to launch shell scripts from simple launcher, I'd be all set. |
| 04:56.49 | pupnik | does that not work on n800? |
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| 04:58.09 | trevarthan | i don't know how. |
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| 05:10.06 | disq | can you try /bin/sh /path/to/shell/script? (probably you want /usr/bin/kagu?) |
| 05:12.17 | trevarthan | no, kagu launches fine from simple launcher. |
| 05:12.47 | trevarthan | I'm just thinking about my /home/user/bin/astaging autossh script. Might be handy to make that a button shortcut. |
| 05:13.03 | trevarthan | I could do it with a .desktop file. I know how. It just isn't very easy. |
| 05:13.35 | trevarthan | wish we had an easy way to shortcut shell scripts is all I'm saying. |
| 05:13.37 | disq | well. see if astaging has #/bin/sh on the top then |
| 05:13.50 | disq | or #!/bin/sh rather |
| 05:13.51 | trevarthan | it does. it's executable. |
| 05:14.32 | disq | well i don't like simple launcher very much. i think what we need for the desktop is a multiple tab plugin, where in the tabs you can arrange regular desktop plugins |
| 05:15.02 | disq | and it would also allow multiple instances of plugins so you could have a few web shortcuts all doing different things |
| 05:15.32 | trevarthan | I think that's basically what I'm saying. None of the launchers do what I want. Simple is the closest to what I want, it just doesn't make it easy to add shell scripts. |
| 05:16.06 | trevarthan | IDEA is just too complicated. |
| 05:16.43 | erstazi | I need to open port 9000 ugh |
| 05:16.51 | erstazi | sorry, was thinking off my head, I got to stop doing that |
| 05:17.00 | trevarthan | 1am here. i'm gonna catch some sleep. |
| 05:17.06 | erstazi | same here |
| 05:17.11 | erstazi | but sleep is for the innocent |
| 05:17.13 | erstazi | heh |
| 05:17.24 | disq | trevarthan: does alsa stuff (plugz? sbc?) require red pill mode? |
| 05:17.51 | trevarthan | laterz peeps. peace out. |
| 05:18.27 | disq | okay night |
| 05:18.30 | disq | i'll catch some sleep too |
| 05:18.48 | trevarthan | disq: maybe. used to work for me. this time i had to do dpkg -i |
| 05:19.06 | trevarthan | not sure why... |
| 05:19.17 | disq | trevarthan: if you repackage be sure to edit debian/control and change the class from libs/something to user/something |
| 05:19.29 | disq | trevarthan: otherwise regular people won't be able to install it without redpill |
| 05:19.57 | trevarthan | k. i'll do that. |
| 05:19.58 | disq | or alternatively we could fork/rename them and put them up on the garage with a meta package |
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| 05:20.59 | trevarthan | i need to contact mplayer guy anyway. |
| 05:21.18 | disq | i saw them a few times in maemo-devel, he's active |
| 05:21.23 | disq | s/them/him |
| 05:21.45 | trevarthan | thumb kb seems much more accurate in latest firmware. loving it. |
| 05:22.30 | disq | is it? didn't notice, didn't use the thumb kb much since i upgraded |
| 05:22.34 | milhouse | bug 1204 comment 6 |
| 05:22.34 | _Monkey | Bug 1204 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1204#c6 |
| 05:22.42 | disq | milhouse: good job |
| 05:22.43 | milhouse | smashing... my first infobot module :) |
| 05:22.48 | trevarthan | yeah. he runs a really old os though. keeps him from compiling things. |
| 05:24.01 | trevarthan | alright.i'm out. for real. cya disq. |
| 05:24.05 | disq | night. |
| 05:24.34 | erstazi | milhouse, nice (: |
| 05:24.43 | milhouse | thanks :) |
| 05:25.05 | milhouse | _monkey good boy |
| 05:25.06 | _Monkey | :) |
| 05:39.00 | pupnik | is it true there's a new it2007he in the works? |
| 05:39.20 | pupnik | or is that pretty much abandoned? |
| 05:42.37 | milhouse | new version is in the works, allegedly |
| 05:43.10 | milhouse | http://maemo.org/news/view/1183720952.html |
| 05:43.26 | milhouse | like, er, any day now :) |
| 05:43.35 | erstazi | milhouse, heh |
| 06:04.33 | disq | ok, time to sleep. cya |
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| 06:14.14 | erstazi | howdy sx|lappy |
| 06:15.54 | sx|lappy | howdy |
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| 06:18.09 | erstazi | ugh |
| 06:23.23 | erstazi | sx|lappy, have you ever setup slimserver? |
| 06:26.18 | sx|lappy | nope |
| 06:26.39 | milhouse | erstazi - i have |
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| 06:27.35 | erstazi | I run the command: iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -i eth0 --dport 9000 -j ACCEPT (for slimserver) and still cannot connect to slimserver (besides http://127.0.0.1:9000) |
| 06:27.54 | erstazi | so basically, I know its a firewall issue and I added port 9000 but no avail |
| 06:28.27 | erstazi | am I missing something? it works with 127.0.0.1:9000 |
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| 06:28.35 | milhouse | so not really a slimserver issue at all? :) |
| 06:28.58 | milhouse | has it bound to the correct interface? |
| 06:29.02 | erstazi | milhouse, no, its mainly a firewall issue, and its probably right under my nose but I am tired heh |
| 06:29.20 | erstazi | milhouse, with 127.0.0.1:9000 yes |
| 06:29.27 | milhouse | that sounds like lo |
| 06:29.56 | erstazi | ok |
| 06:30.06 | milhouse | loopback is 127.0.0.1 |
| 06:30.18 | milhouse | you'll have another interface eth0 or similar |
| 06:30.48 | erstazi | yes |
| 06:31.07 | milhouse | do you get the option in slimserver to bind to a specific interface? |
| 06:31.15 | erstazi | no |
| 06:31.17 | milhouse | i can't imagine it would bind to lo by default but worth checking... |
| 06:31.19 | milhouse | k |
| 06:31.30 | erstazi | would that be in the slimserver config? |
| 06:31.45 | erstazi | I believe debian based distros use the slimserver.pref but I could be wrong |
| 06:32.09 | milhouse | have a quick scan/search through slimserver.pref |
| 06:32.24 | milhouse | i must admit i've only ever bothered to install slimserver on a Win2K3 box |
| 06:32.38 | erstazi | yeah |
| 06:34.37 | milhouse | have you checked the Security page in Server Settings? |
| 06:35.17 | milhouse | Block Incoming Connections? |
| 06:35.21 | erstazi | found the slimserver.pref |
| 06:35.27 | erstazi | MMSport should be 9000 right? |
| 06:35.44 | milhouse | umm... hang on |
| 06:35.45 | erstazi | I checked for blocked incoming connections in my firewall but that came up with nothing |
| 06:36.27 | milhouse | no, my MMSPort is 10002 |
| 06:36.47 | milhouse | httpport is 9000 |
| 06:36.47 | erstazi | same here |
| 06:37.01 | erstazi | same here |
| 06:37.17 | milhouse | Go to the Security Settings page in Server Settings within Slimserver (via your localhost browser connection) |
| 06:37.30 | milhouse | There is a section title "Block Incoming Connections" |
| 06:37.36 | milhouse | make sure you have it set to "Don't Block" |
| 06:37.47 | erstazi | ok |
| 06:40.05 | erstazi | I even added 192.168.1.* to the "Allowed IP Addresses" |
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| 07:52.36 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 07:52.52 | LukeM | Morning |
| 07:52.53 | _Monkey | aloha |
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| 07:56.24 | jkyro | hello |
| 07:57.04 | jkyro | Is anybody else getting 401 unauthorized from repository.maemo.org? |
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| 07:58.47 | jkyro | or am I missing something... |
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| 08:02.27 | LukeM | lemme check |
| 08:03.07 | LukeM | yep, I'm getting it too. |
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| 08:43.36 | pupnik | one damn api for hardware accelerated blits with depth-independent multiple layers |
| 08:47.06 | pupnik | it's 2007 and 2d games are taking performance hits |
| 08:47.07 | pupnik | for problems that were solved in hardware in ... 1983 |
| 08:49.17 | pupnik | we're unable to get smooth framerates because of issues that were dealt with (in crude form) by the Atari 400, the TI 99/4a |
| 08:49.57 | pupnik | ... that is a m a z i n g |
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| 08:50.27 | AD-N770 | good morning |
| 08:50.33 | pupnik | hi AD-N770 |
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| 09:57.00 | Tili | can someone recommend IDE for development on Debian for Maemo? |
| 09:57.08 | timeless | vi? |
| 09:57.09 | _Monkey | vi is scarry to me |
| 09:57.29 | timeless | tili: what do you actually need out of an ide? |
| 09:58.00 | Tili | to manage project for me. i will have a project with multiple files etc |
| 09:58.16 | Tili | so I wonder if some IDE supports already tools for maemo? |
| 09:58.30 | timeless | maemo isn't really that special |
| 09:58.31 | Tili | pardon me if I am asking basic questions |
| 09:58.41 | robtaylor | Tili: i hear anjuta is getting scratchbox support |
| 09:58.51 | Tili | oh cool. i used anjuta before |
| 09:58.52 | timeless | generally you're either using autoconf+debian(dpkg)+scratchbox, or you're using python |
| 09:59.02 | Tili | python for dev-tools? |
| 09:59.12 | robtaylor | http://www.bogenschneller.de/jsschmid/blog/?p=60 |
| 09:59.12 | timeless | if you're using autoconf and friends, it's the same normal toolchain plus the pain of scratchbox |
| 09:59.21 | timeless | but the ide doesn't change much |
| 09:59.47 | robtaylor | Tili: personally, vim and bash is enough for me ;) |
| 09:59.59 | Tili | and what about debugger? we use traditional GDB with command line? |
| 10:00.08 | timeless | some people use ddd |
| 10:00.23 | timeless | but basically, i'd recommend building the latest version of gdb and using it |
| 10:00.34 | timeless | maemo really is linux |
| 10:00.37 | robtaylor | Tili: i think anjuta has gdb support too, ddd is very nice too, though motif *blegh* |
| 10:00.37 | timeless | most things don't change at all |
| 10:00.54 | timeless | robtaylor: i'd hardly call ddd nice, but.. |
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| 10:01.06 | robtaylor | timeless: well, it has very nice features... |
| 10:01.09 | Tili | yeah that is cool. i will be porting some linux stuff to maemo. hoping to be not much painful as Symbian was |
| 10:01.18 | robtaylor | timeless: ui wise, it verily sucks |
| 10:01.28 | timeless | robtaylor: what's left that isn't just gdb? |
| 10:01.52 | robtaylor | Tili: it should be mostly a case of building withing scratchbox |
| 10:02.06 | robtaylor | Tili: maybe some ui changes for teh form factor, but thats about it |
| 10:02.13 | timeless | tili: the big bit is whether you try to use hildon or not |
| 10:02.22 | timeless | and for that, you probably want a cross reference |
| 10:02.23 | robtaylor | timeless: everything's gdb underneath.. |
| 10:02.26 | Tili | robtaylor: do u recommend any other UI for GDB? |
| 10:02.36 | timeless | i'll see about pushing that today/tomorrow |
| 10:02.50 | Tili | what is hildon |
| 10:02.51 | robtaylor | Tili: personally, i've never found a ui that works properly |
| 10:02.51 | _Monkey | well, hildon is upstream of maemo, so mentioning maemo in the description is faulty |
| 10:03.16 | robtaylor | Tili: hildon is a tablet desktop framework |
| 10:03.54 | robtaylor | s/desktop/palmtop/ ? ;) |
| 10:04.26 | robtaylor | Tili: http://live.gnome.org/Hildon |
| 10:04.54 | Tili | thanks |
| 10:05.17 | robtaylor | timeless: isn't everything just gdb? ;) I wish someone would modernise it a bit |
| 10:05.18 | Tili | but my app will need to be downloaded and it is always better for me too keep size minimum as final binary and also when it runs on machine |
| 10:05.28 | timeless | _monkry, hildon is also http://live.gnome.org/Hildon |
| 10:05.37 | timeless | _monkey, hildon is also http://live.gnome.org/Hildon |
| 10:05.38 | _Monkey | okay, timeless. |
| 10:06.11 | timeless | _monkey forget hildon |
| 10:06.11 | _Monkey | timeless: I forgot hildon |
| 10:06.24 | timeless | _monkey hildon is a tablet desktop framework, http://live.gnome.org/Hildon |
| 10:06.24 | _Monkey | OK, timeless. |
| 10:06.33 | timeless | silly bot, passive learning is bad |
| 10:06.43 | robtaylor | Tili: hildon is part of the mameo platform |
| 10:07.21 | robtaylor | _Monkey: hildon is also a standard part of the maemo platform |
| 10:07.22 | _Monkey | okay, robtaylor. |
| 10:07.40 | robtaylor | what is hildon |
| 10:07.41 | _Monkey | hildon is a tablet desktop framework, http://live.gnome.org/Hildon or a standard part of the maemo platform |
| 10:07.48 | robtaylor | gnng |
| 10:07.59 | timeless | robtaylor "is also" is your friend |
| 10:08.18 | robtaylor | timeless: thats what i said, diddle i? |
| 10:08.37 | timeless | sorry, misread |
| 10:08.41 | robtaylor | 'is also' = or? 'is' = and? |
| 10:08.46 | timeless | no |
| 10:08.55 | timeless | is => a |= |
| 10:09.00 | timeless | hrm |
| 10:09.02 | timeless | no |
| 10:09.04 | robtaylor | heh |
| 10:09.08 | timeless | is => a ||= |
| 10:09.13 | timeless | is also => a |= |
| 10:09.31 | timeless | is will not do anything (or it will error) if there's a value |
| 10:09.39 | timeless | is also, adds the or and tail |
| 10:09.44 | robtaylor | ah |
| 10:10.05 | timeless | _monkey hildon is confusing |
| 10:10.06 | _Monkey | ...but hildon is a tablet desktop framework, http://live.gnome.org/Hildon or a standard part of the maemo platform... |
| 10:10.09 | timeless | (error) |
| 10:10.16 | timeless | hildon is really confusing |
| 10:10.21 | robtaylor | _Monkey: forget hildon |
| 10:10.21 | timeless | (ignored) |
| 10:10.22 | _Monkey | robtaylor: I forgot hildon |
| 10:10.39 | timeless | note that infobots also support (kinda) =~ s/foo/bar/ |
| 10:10.42 | robtaylor | _Monkey: hildon is a tablet desktop framework, http://live.gnome.org/Hildon and a standard part of the maemo platform |
| 10:10.43 | _Monkey | OK, robtaylor. |
| 10:11.03 | timeless | so you could have done hildon =~ s/or a/and a/ |
| 10:11.04 | robtaylor | meh, stupid _Monkey |
| 10:11.22 | robtaylor | timeless: nice :) |
| 10:11.31 | timeless | (note that infobots don't appreciate leading/trailing whitespace in regexps) |
| 10:11.52 | inz | Do they support regexps? |
| 10:12.03 | inz | I thought they only supported string replacement |
| 10:12.15 | inz | s/..pla/foo |
| 10:12.15 | timeless | inz: the syntax is designed to look like perl re |
| 10:12.27 | timeless | but yeah it's substrings |
| 10:12.54 | inz | s!foo!bar! |
| 10:12.56 | timeless | well, i suppose arguably sed stream editor replacing, but even that's regexp based.. |
| 10:12.59 | inz | *sniff* ;) |
| 10:13.25 | inz | Does sed have =~ -operator? |
| 10:14.45 | timeless | hrm, no :) |
| 10:14.47 | timeless | so it's perl |
| 10:14.48 | timeless | % ssh -p 6033 dh |
| 10:14.52 | timeless | [sanjay]$ |
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| 10:15.05 | timeless | % rsync -avrh -e 'ssh -p 6033' sardine-20070531 dh:mxr-root/ |
| 10:15.27 | timeless | Add correct host key in /export/home/timeless/.ssh/known_hosts to get rid of this message. |
| 10:15.34 | timeless | what am i doing wrong w/ my rsync? :( |
| 10:15.52 | Cegy | hi can someone can someone tell me if OS2007HE for the 770 is easy to install on a windows pc ? |
| 10:16.05 | timeless | cegy: flashing is flashing |
| 10:16.16 | Cegy | so its simple then? |
| 10:16.21 | timeless | the flasher app doesn't really understand or care what it's flashing |
| 10:16.32 | timeless | as simple as flashing w/ anything else |
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| 10:17.10 | Cegy | oh ok do u know where i can get the lastest os2007 for the 770 from? |
| 10:17.27 | timeless | dunno :) |
| 10:18.14 | Cegy | oh ok but do u know if i update it to 2007 would i be able to downgrade it back down to 2006 if i want? |
| 10:19.01 | timeless | flashing is flashing |
| 10:19.04 | timeless | it's 100% destructive |
| 10:19.16 | timeless | as long as you don't have a brick when you're done, you can flash w/ any other flash image later |
| 10:19.31 | Cegy | oh thats good then |
| 10:19.44 | Cegy | so if i brick it its dead aka no good anymore? |
| 10:19.51 | timeless | yes |
| 10:19.58 | Cegy | ok :) |
| 10:20.33 | Cegy | am trying to find a good web brownser aswell but most of them crash which is crap |
| 10:20.34 | Cegy | :| |
| 10:20.44 | Cegy | any idea's on wat i can use? |
| 10:20.55 | robtaylor | Cegy: webkit |
| 10:21.11 | Cegy | is that easy and simple as am new to it |
| 10:22.01 | Tili | sorry to interrupt but what are u guys talking about installing OS2007 on PC? |
| 10:22.10 | Tili | u mean tablet PC? |
| 10:22.40 | Cegy | not |
| 10:22.44 | Cegy | it doesn't matter |
| 10:22.47 | timeless | tili: installing /from/ |
| 10:22.49 | Cegy | but it was for the 770 |
| 10:22.57 | Tili | oh ok |
| 10:23.35 | guardian | morning |
| 10:23.36 | _Monkey | aloha |
| 10:23.58 | guardian | timeless: remember my question about removing debug messages at compile time, well G_DEBUG_DISABLE seems to be gone from glib headers :) |
| 10:24.00 | timeless | nihau |
| 10:24.11 | timeless | niihau |
| 10:24.12 | _Monkey | bonjour, timeless |
| 10:24.34 | timeless | indeed |
| 10:24.55 | timeless | hrm, wait |
| 10:25.07 | timeless | i still have it as of last week in glib/gmessages.h |
| 10:25.35 | guardian | i'm not that up to date in my headers |
| 10:25.46 | guardian | but it's not into my scratchbox nor my ubuntu headers |
| 10:25.49 | timeless | i have weeks from last week going back about a year |
| 10:26.12 | timeless | lemme see if i'm a week out of date |
| 10:26.35 | Cegy | is there any web browser for the 770 that doesn't crash or have any memory buffer problems? |
| 10:26.46 | timeless | cegy: links? |
| 10:26.54 | timeless | maybe telnet? |
| 10:27.08 | Cegy | its shit as i can't use the with the virtual keybroard |
| 10:29.10 | maddler | morning all |
| 10:29.33 | timeless | which doesn't work w/ the vkb? |
| 10:30.47 | Cegy | links2 |
| 10:30.47 | _Monkey | i think links2 is a lightweight graphical web browser (non-hildon) http://pupnik.de/links2.html |
| 10:32.40 | Cegy | its crap on how both minimo and the internal web browser is a bug or something because it crash by itseld |
| 10:32.42 | Cegy | itself* |
| 10:35.03 | Cegy | eh? |
| 10:35.04 | Cegy | lol |
| 10:35.11 | timeless | use fewer curses, use better English, use a real example, preferably a testcase |
| 10:36.16 | Cegy | well u must be daft if u don't know that theres a bug in both of them due to some memory buffer problem i think it becasue when i use it for like 20-30mins it close it self off for no reason |
| 10:36.17 | Cegy | :| |
| 10:37.35 | timeless | how many windows do you use? |
| 10:37.39 | timeless | 10 or 20? |
| 10:37.40 | _Monkey | 30 |
| 10:37.45 | Cegy | nah |
| 10:37.47 | Cegy | only 2 if that |
| 10:37.47 | timeless | um |
| 10:37.55 | Cegy | just say |
| 10:38.00 | timeless | ok, flash enabled? |
| 10:38.22 | Cegy | to make it easyer for u a picture site use a lot of memeory i guess so it might be that but i don't know |
| 10:38.27 | Cegy | yeah it should be |
| 10:38.31 | Okko | i can has longer times |
| 10:38.42 | timeless | have you considered disabling flash and browsing for a whlie? |
| 10:38.42 | Tili | what would be solution for this |
| 10:38.43 | Tili | configure: error: The Motif include file 'Xm/Xm.h' could not be found. |
| 10:38.49 | timeless | s/whlie/while/ |
| 10:38.59 | Cegy | no y? |
| 10:39.10 | timeless | perhaps you'll find the browser crashes less? |
| 10:39.22 | timeless | tili: i don't think maemo has motify support :) |
| 10:39.41 | Tili | oh sorry, ya it was on DDD |
| 10:39.57 | Tili | i thought i was compiling maemo. retard alert!!!!!!!! |
| 10:40.00 | timeless | i hope you aren't trying to build ddd *in* scratchbox |
| 10:40.08 | Tili | no its not in scratchbox |
| 10:40.50 | timeless | what distro? |
| 10:41.03 | timeless | you'll probably need to get motif/lesstif dev headers or something |
| 10:41.12 | timeless | at which point you might as well ask your distro to get you ddd too |
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| 11:05.52 | cosmo | anyone got suggestions what i should try to port to maemo? |
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| 11:11.35 | Jaffa | cosmo: A mind/concept-mapping utility or something like EPOC's Jotter (Maemopad+ isn't quite what I want) |
| 11:13.36 | cosmo | i haven't used jotter.. can you name some suitable implementation? |
| 11:13.49 | bergie | port of TomBoy would be cool |
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| 11:15.25 | cosmo | i think it looks quite complex. i'd like to first port something more simpler |
| 11:16.11 | cosmo | UAE might be fun |
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| 11:39.35 | Jaffa | cosmo: UAE'll be hard to do well, as you'll want/need to do some ARM optimisations etc. Also, different hardware key mappings for different games. |
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| 11:55.14 | sbaturzio | Aloha! |
| 11:55.15 | _Monkey | Guten Tag, sbaturzio! |
| 11:55.24 | sbaturzio | _Monkey: Ciao |
| 11:55.25 | _Monkey | sbaturzio: huh? |
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| 11:57.32 | rtcm | hi, anyone here has successfully installed and ran scratchbox for maemo development on F7 ? |
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| 11:57.58 | rtcm | there seems to be an issue with a kernel config COMPAT_VDSO |
| 11:58.15 | inz | It should be "fixable" run-time |
| 11:58.19 | rtcm | I tried to rebuild the 2.6.22.1-33 kernel with that option enabled but it hangs on boot... |
| 11:58.25 | inz | With some maghic /proc or /sys -entry |
| 11:59.07 | rtcm | inz do you happen to know which exctly or have a link? |
| 11:59.41 | inz | rtcm, echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/vdso |
| 12:01.28 | rtcm | inz: yhea but the fedora kernel doesn't have that entry.. |
| 12:01.35 | inz | ahh |
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| 12:43.14 | keesj | Hi |
| 12:43.15 | _Monkey | que tal, keesj |
| 12:43.31 | keesj | singe! |
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| 13:24.38 | Gathaja | I tried to setup usb networking and now the device just keeps rebooting. Is there anything else than reflash to do? |
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| 14:00.21 | trevarthan | Hey, I just installed the new SIP functionality for the new firmware on my n800. Trying to connect to an asterisk PBX. I can make outgoing calls, but nobody can call me and my n800 isn't registered with the asterisk server. Any ideas? |
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| 14:12.40 | Tili | how much space does Maemo take with scratchbox included? |
| 14:12.49 | Tili | it ate 2.2G and now i have nothing left on that partition |
| 14:12.57 | timeless | heh :) |
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| 14:20.56 | timeless | timeless@tinderbox:/scratchbox/users/timeless/targets/x86$ du -s -h . |
| 14:20.56 | timeless | 1.1G . |
| 14:21.05 | timeless | kinda depends what you put in your box, i suppose |
| 14:21.34 | timeless | that's a box running some debian flavor |
| 14:23.17 | Tili | yeah it is debian on vmware |
| 14:24.14 | timeless | i think officially i'm using an "i386-minimaldev-rootstrap" |
| 14:24.21 | timeless | i don't know if such an animal officially exists |
| 14:24.27 | timeless | in which case, i might be cheating |
| 14:24.58 | inz | timeless, it's a shame it doesn't |
| 14:25.29 | inz | timeless, and, indeed, you are cheating ;) |
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| 14:28.08 | timeless | whoops :) |
| 14:28.21 | trevarthan | When I try to connect to my asterisk server using my n800, I get a registration error: http://www.pastebin.ca/639317 |
| 14:28.28 | trevarthan | any ideas on that anyone? |
| 14:29.20 | N800 | Subscription Does Not Exist |
| 14:29.32 | timeless | are you using the osso sip stuff? |
| 14:29.38 | trevarthan | yeah |
| 14:29.44 | timeless | they had issues w/ it and wondered why skype "just worked" :) |
| 14:29.45 | inz | my /scratchbox takes 15 G |
| 14:30.05 | timeless | they're certainly fairly concerned about it :) |
| 14:30.14 | trevarthan | skype isn't interesting to me. I need SIP. |
| 14:30.20 | X-Fade_ | timeless: Skype, by no means, just works.. |
| 14:30.40 | timeless | x-fade: *shrug*, dtmf or whatever seems to work in skype |
| 14:30.53 | timeless | and atm, i'm having enough trouble making normal calls w/ my normal cell phone |
| 14:30.55 | mgedmin | inz: if you do 'du /scratchbox' you get the size counted twice, because it's bind-mounted inside itself |
| 14:31.04 | timeless | my parents get an echo of themselves w/o hearing me at all |
| 14:31.12 | timeless | imagine trying that a few times |
| 14:31.25 | X-Fade_ | timeless: I got the program in a logon -> crash loop on the first time I logged in. Others seem to have that too. |
| 14:31.27 | timeless | (that's a normal phone, not skype/n800/googletalk/gizmo/...) |
| 14:31.35 | timeless | x-fade: nice |
| 14:31.53 | X-Fade_ | timeless: And some calls get disconnected at the same call length.. |
| 14:32.04 | N800 | I have 2 sip accounts setup.. |
| 14:32.08 | N800 | both work |
| 14:32.15 | N800 | incoming outgoing |
| 14:32.36 | N800 | open the port trevarthan, if you are behind a router |
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| 14:34.01 | trevarthan | N800: which port? We're using SIP phone with this wifi network already to the same machine, so everything should be open. |
| 14:34.32 | trevarthan | N800: your accounts are to an asterisk machine? |
| 14:34.48 | N800 | no |
| 14:34.52 | trevarthan | :) |
| 14:35.02 | trevarthan | what are they connecting to? |
| 14:35.25 | N800 | don't really know. |
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| 14:35.43 | N800 | freedigits & freecalls. |
| 14:35.53 | N800 | 1 allows me to recieve calls for free |
| 14:36.01 | N800 | and the other to make them |
| 14:36.12 | N800 | well both allow to make call for free |
| 14:36.19 | timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/sardine-20070531/source/ |
| 14:36.25 | inz | mgedmin, and with three users, make that 4, so just over 2 gigs is more accurate |
| 14:36.27 | timeless | in case people want an old reference of sardine |
| 14:36.40 | inz | mgedmin, s/over/under/ |
| 14:36.47 | Spakman | hello - does anyone here know anything about the Ruby-Maemo binding? Can I create home desktop widgets with it? |
| 14:37.16 | inz | Spakman, I would guess not -- at least not until chinook |
| 14:37.28 | Spakman | thanks inz |
| 14:37.38 | Spakman | why is that? |
| 14:39.54 | inz | Spakman, chinook will use the hildon-desktop, which will make it techincally possible |
| 14:40.25 | inz | Spakman, with maemo-af-desktop, I think it would require some major hacks |
| 14:40.50 | Spakman | OK, thanks for the clarification inz |
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| 14:55.12 | trevarthan | N800: they're helping me on #telepathy. :) yay for open source and IRC. |
| 14:55.19 | Jaffa | inz: with maemo-af-desktop you could use Gtk's embedding thing (i.e. as used in desktop panels etc.) to have a panel contain something controlled by another process; then a lightweight C veneer. |
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| 14:57.59 | inz | Jaffa, that is what I meant by "major hacks" ;) |
| 14:58.26 | inz | Jaffa, the worst thing is, that if using GtkPlug/Socket, the key events go straight to the applet if it has focus, the desktop cannot see them anymore |
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| 15:03.54 | Toma- | is there a way to ditch hildon? |
| 15:05.00 | Jaffa | inz: :) |
| 15:06.21 | Jaffa | Toma-: yes, people have KDE running, or WindowMaker etc. |
| 15:06.38 | Toma- | im gonna get e17 running |
| 15:06.39 | Toma- | :> |
| 15:06.51 | Toma- | ill get to hackin then |
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| 15:10.53 | N800 | trevarthan, the theme, having issues....the ok and cancel option....how do i change the color for those 2 options? |
| 15:11.34 | N800 | trevarthan, nvm |
| 15:12.00 | N800 | the transparency changes i did 2 the backgound of the whole theme fixed that |
| 15:15.06 | trevarthan | N800: be careful with transparency. Make sure you aren't using an alpha channel. We're strictly using colorkeys for speed. |
| 15:15.22 | trevarthan | (and memory consumption for that matter) |
| 15:20.05 | N800 | i not using transparency...i was having issues with the pink background.. |
| 15:20.14 | N800 | in the png file.. |
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| 15:20.24 | N800 | pieces of the pink would get picked up. |
| 15:20.52 | N800 | so i ended up getting rid of the pink color. |
| 15:23.37 | whaq_ | pink n800?? |
| 15:23.40 | N800 | getting rid of the play pause next and previous...have to come up with some icon ideas...I'm about to head downtown, hopefully i can come up with some ideas.. |
| 15:25.43 | trevarthan | N800: stop using antialiasing if you don't want pink to show up. |
| 15:26.09 | N800 | i figured out what to do already.. |
| 15:26.18 | trevarthan | l |
| 15:26.19 | trevarthan | k |
| 15:26.32 | N800 | all i have to dl now is chchange your icons.. |
| 15:26.33 | N800 | lol |
| 15:26.44 | trevarthan | :) |
| 15:26.56 | trevarthan | N800: are you unique311? |
| 15:27.00 | N800 | actually the back and exit, minor changes |
| 15:27.01 | N800 | yes |
| 15:27.04 | trevarthan | k. |
| 15:27.15 | N800 | now as for the play pause ,etc |
| 15:27.52 | N800 | unknown icon also.. |
| 15:27.57 | N800 | give that a facelift |
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| 15:37.48 | trevarthan | :) n800 SIP <-> asterisk doesn't work too well yet. They're looking at it. Works until the second registration, then stops. |
| 15:38.26 | N800 | get a free number from freedigits till then.. |
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| 15:40.01 | disq | hey all |
| 15:40.08 | trevarthan | howdy disq. |
| 15:40.40 | disq | trevarthan: #telepathy? btw got reply for osso.playback.manager in maemo-devel, happy |
| 15:42.14 | trevarthan | yeah. #telepathy. rtcomm SIP doesn't play nice with asterisk. we're debugging. I'm the guine pig. |
| 15:42.41 | disq | ah. the new firmware. right :) |
| 15:44.07 | Toma- | http://members.iinet.net.au/~haste/e17maemo.gif <---just a mockup of what it can do :) |
| 15:50.18 | trevarthan | Here's the SIP <-> asterisk bug report: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1763727&group_id=143636&atid=756076 |
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| 15:52.01 | disq | i'm reading about last.fm in wikipedia, as a long morning reading :P |
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| 15:52.01 | pupnik | Toma want image |
| 15:52.06 | pupnik | moonin |
| 15:52.13 | Toma- | :P |
| 15:52.27 | pupnik | nice lookin |
| 15:52.53 | NeoStrider | disq..where is nothing to read about |
| 15:52.59 | NeoStrider | just listen to it! |
| 15:53.02 | NeoStrider | it rocks! |
| 15:53.02 | Toma- | thanks. just a matter of getting onboard the on screen keyboard to bind to a HW button |
| 15:53.59 | pupnik | which button did you choose? |
| 15:54.19 | Toma- | i havent built it yet :( |
| 15:54.37 | Toma- | need to port it over, but it works |
| 15:54.43 | Toma- | the layout at least |
| 15:54.58 | Toma- | so the theory is all there, just a matter of making it happen :) |
| 15:55.58 | pupnik | the widget/icon design on enlightenment is nice imo |
| 15:57.14 | Toma- | indeedy |
| 15:57.37 | Toma- | it can all be run quite easily on single clicks aswell |
| 15:57.51 | Toma- | favorites menu pops up on desktop click for instance |
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| 16:03.58 | pupnik | the early maemo-developers list is interesting reading |
| 16:05.36 | pupnik | idnt.org was right there from the beginning. first game mentioned was... xbill :P |
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| 16:06.29 | disq | heh |
| 16:06.45 | pupnik | may 2005 |
| 16:08.08 | disq | back then the IT2005 was butt ugly slow |
| 16:08.40 | disq | and the apps were installed in /var/lib/install |
| 16:08.46 | pupnik | when did you start with maemo? |
| 16:08.56 | disq | early 2006 i think |
| 16:09.03 | pupnik | nice |
| 16:09.52 | disq | my friend showed me his 770 (and he was just using it for ebooks) and i was hooked (well. an xterm is enough to get me hooked) |
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| 16:13.56 | pupnik | lol 'crazy parking' built June 2005 |
| 16:14.14 | Jaffa | pupnik: some of us read it at the time :) |
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| 16:15.01 | pupnik | hahaha first emulator mentioned June 2005 |
| 16:16.28 | AD-N770 | pupnik, my first release of nethack port was february, 12, 2006 |
| 16:16.56 | pupnik | it is an honor to chat with the elders! :) |
| 16:17.34 | timeless | hello world |
| 16:17.39 | AD-N770 | and I bought the 770 just for read ebooks too :) |
| 16:17.49 | timeless | is it possible to talk to a GPS device using TCP/IP instead of Bluetooth? |
| 16:18.33 | disq | if you have a gps device that talks tcp/ip, then sure. you'd need to wrap around or patch or generate signals for gpsd tho |
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| 16:18.47 | AD-N770 | and it's the main use for my n800 now |
| 16:18.56 | timeless | are there such devices? |
| 16:19.06 | disq | ah. no, there aren't. :P |
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| 16:20.12 | disq | it wouldn't be useful anyway, if you establish a adhoc connection then you'd have to establish regular net connectivity via bt or usbnet since you can't use the wifi for two things (do adhoc connections work p2mp?) |
| 16:20.48 | disq | how are the browser affairs going? :) |
| 16:21.36 | timeless | i've written blog entry #2 |
| 16:21.43 | timeless | i'm trying to figure out how to write blog entry #1 |
| 16:22.01 | timeless | which is a bit of a problem, how does one write about a cat that's already out of the bag while pretending to annoucne it? |
| 16:22.12 | timeless | actually, i'm also reading a thesis someone wrote |
| 16:22.36 | timeless | it's good to see not many additional complaints |
| 16:22.41 | timeless | are people using it? |
| 16:23.06 | pupnik | heh first mention of maemo on OMAP2420 was June 2005 by Komal Shah |
| 16:23.11 | pupnik | ? |
| 16:23.52 | timeless | ? |
| 16:24.05 | pupnik | people using what? |
| 16:24.25 | timeless | microb |
| 16:25.28 | disq | i'm not using it much, didn't yet get around to solving the oh my fonts are all in times new roman issue |
| 16:25.43 | timeless | hrm |
| 16:25.50 | disq | but if a site bugs me, doesn't work, etc. instead of launching minimo i try microb and it usually works |
| 16:25.50 | timeless | at one point we had hard coded all fonts to a single face |
| 16:25.54 | timeless | i wonder if we fixed that |
| 16:25.58 | timeless | heh |
| 16:26.06 | pupnik | is it available for 770/it2006? |
| 16:26.23 | timeless | well, good to see we're at least squeezing competition out of the market :) |
| 16:26.36 | timeless | pupnik: it's open source, someone could try to rebuild it |
| 16:26.47 | timeless | we've talked about it and haven't quite figured out the rules |
| 16:27.06 | timeless | atm you need 2007se4 |
| 16:27.28 | timeless | (or you can use instructions on webwizardry.net/~timeless/n800 to use 2007se3) |
| 16:27.32 | disq | the rules? |
| 16:27.36 | pupnik | ok i am sure someone will do it |
| 16:27.38 | timeless | hrm, did i say that aloud? |
| 16:28.00 | timeless | ok, well, i use it on se3 :) |
| 16:28.12 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:28.21 | timeless | it isn't :) |
| 16:28.49 | timeless | getting quilt, bc, and something else are actually painful |
| 16:29.02 | pupnik | i need quilt :/ |
| 16:29.15 | timeless | hrm |
| 16:29.16 | pupnik | where can i get these deps for my scratchbox pls |
| 16:29.29 | timeless | add a debian repo :) |
| 16:29.37 | pupnik | it is horrible |
| 16:29.37 | timeless | db48x might have sent me instructions |
| 16:30.06 | pupnik | it is like the fracral branches of a tree that you have to walk to build |
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| 16:43.26 | Vertoo | lol, pupnik, i have been playing with the host file for like 20 min. i did vi -h but its limited, and there is no man command on my terminal ? how should i go about editing it? |
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| 16:48.14 | Mikho | Hello, does anybody know how to find out what my display adapter is in ubuntu? |
| 16:48.27 | Mikho | from the console, as x can't start yet |
| 16:48.53 | Mikho | Tried to look inside the machine but the display adapter has absolutely no labels anywhere |
| 16:52.47 | koen | MikaT: lspci should give a model number |
| 16:53.48 | Mikho | thanks |
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| 17:05.54 | pupnik | two years later and nobody has matched nokia for the 770 (and n800) |
| 17:06.03 | pupnik | \o/ |
| 17:07.27 | trevarthan | hmmmm.... I guess DTMF doesn't work with rtcomm SIP either? |
| 17:08.03 | ||cw | pupnik: it's seen as a niche market. competitors are either making msart phones or UMPC's, the nokia's fall in the middle somewhere |
| 17:11.04 | pupnik | we need to convince more people they need a nokia tablet |
| 17:11.13 | pupnik | 'need' of course :) |
| 17:14.26 | AD-N770 | see u tomorrow |
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| 17:15.13 | celesteh | give them away free ;) |
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| 17:21.07 | Vertoo | hey pupnik; im hopeless lol. i cant figure out how to edit the host file at all lol. i did vi -h but its barely any help and tjere is no man command on here? |
| 17:21.24 | ||cw | Vertoo: what's -h do |
| 17:21.41 | ||cw | vi /etc/hosts and go at it |
| 17:22.56 | pupnik | adding sites to block by hand would be a lot of work |
| 17:23.56 | Vertoo | -h is help. i cant figure out the vi editor. it wont let my edit the file |
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| 17:25.30 | pupnik | vi takes a while to learn |
| 17:25.47 | pupnik | http://www.google.com/search?q=%22127.0.0.1+ads.doubleclick.net%22 |
| 17:25.50 | ||cw | press i, type, ESC 2 times, :wq |
| 17:25.51 | pupnik | there's some lists |
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| 17:25.57 | J_P | hi all |
| 17:26.32 | J_P | anyone know if Kiwi are working (tested) on maemo 2007 ? |
| 17:27.08 | whaq_ | Is Kiwi a wiki variant? |
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| 17:29.44 | J_P | whaq_: not is this : http://www.async.com.br/projects/kiwi/ |
| 17:30.17 | Vertoo | but vi wont let me edit the hosts file. it opens a read only version |
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| 17:31.28 | pupnik | insanity -- a snes emu (w/o) sound was ported to GBA with a 32-bit 16.7mhz ARM cpu. |
| 17:32.17 | whaq_ | cool, that's useful |
| 17:36.24 | ||cw | Vertoo: did you gainroot yet? |
| 17:44.03 | disq | huh. eth0 is found and registered at boot time but then after logging in there's no eth0 |
| 17:44.05 | disq | any ideas? |
| 17:44.10 | disq | (not the n800, no) |
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| 17:47.10 | Sulis | disq: on what is that? |
| 17:47.32 | disq | debian, vmware |
| 17:47.40 | disq | debian/testing (lenny now i think) |
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| 17:48.41 | trevarthan | Anyone know if python's "twisted" framework is available for maemo? |
| 17:48.46 | Sulis | and ifconfig -a shows nothing? |
| 17:48.58 | Sulis | except lo, i assume |
| 17:49.16 | dev | trevarthan: it is |
| 17:49.37 | disq | it was registered as eth2. silly me, didn't think of ifconfig -a |
| 17:50.11 | Sulis | hehe |
| 17:50.14 | trevarthan | dev: got a link? |
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| 17:51.52 | dev | trevarthan: robtaylor has the debs here http://packages.codethink.co.uk |
| 17:52.16 | trevarthan | k. thanks. |
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| 17:54.55 | trevarthan | disq: I just noticed that I see loading triangles when I launch kagu. When did you fix that? Or is that just my new firmware? |
| 17:55.22 | disq | loading triangles? |
| 17:55.41 | disq | let me launch |
| 17:55.42 | trevarthan | yup. when an app loads, you see the triangles, you know? |
| 17:55.57 | disq | ah, yeah. i fixed that a hundred revs ago :) |
| 17:56.27 | trevarthan | hmmm... maybe you only fixed it for the new firmware. It still wasn't working yesterday. |
| 17:56.29 | disq | did you have kagu.deb installed on the older firmware? |
| 17:56.34 | trevarthan | yeah |
| 17:56.44 | disq | mm. the old firmware was broken then |
| 17:56.44 | trevarthan | I kept updating it every day or two |
| 18:00.44 | disq | the triangles also work in my 770 |
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| 18:02.07 | whaq_ | Has anyone had damaged SD problem with 770/n800? |
| 18:05.19 | pupnik | no but my camera has read errors after dropping it |
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| 18:07.11 | whaq_ | dropping it... in the N800? |
| 18:08.00 | pupnik | do you have the same problem with a different sd card? |
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| 18:11.44 | whaq_ | No, I'm still waiting for a pair of N800 to be shipped my way.. |
| 18:14.46 | pupnik | i'm still waiting for 1920x1080 stereo VR glasses with 90-degree field-of-view |
| 18:15.05 | roope | Like that one guy in Stak Trek TNG. |
| 18:15.50 | zeenix | roope: you la'forge? |
| 18:15.55 | zeenix | s/you/you mean/ |
| 18:16.27 | roope | Yeah. |
| 18:17.34 | roope | http://www.llia.co.uk/images/blogimg/Geordi.jpg that's the future i want to be living in. |
| 18:18.12 | zeenix | i wonder how did they control the ships, especially in a battle with only that two dimentional screen |
| 18:18.32 | roope | pressure for Z-axis. |
| 18:18.49 | pupnik | http://www.3dvisor.com/products.php this has 800x600, which is pretty decent |
| 18:19.58 | roope | i tried one of those once. it gives motion sickness, because of the delay. |
| 18:20.01 | pupnik | 1 kilodollar though |
| 18:20.15 | pupnik | the last one i tried was in 1990 :) |
| 18:20.28 | roope | But you can use it for a while before it kicks in. |
| 18:20.35 | pupnik | which did you try? |
| 18:20.39 | kulve | MoRpHeUz: btw. I upgrade to svn trunk and got the gms live streaming to work too. With mencoder. It's very slow to start up, so I think mplayer (or mainly other players) may give up before the stream actually starts |
| 18:20.52 | kulve | MoRpHeUz: what's gmencoder? |
| 18:21.08 | roope | Nokia had one for testing. Don't remember the brand name. |
| 18:21.21 | roope | it wasn't really good, frankly. |
| 18:21.47 | MoRpHeUz | kulve: to avoid this "timeout" problem while using mencoder, just use mplayer with the "-nocache" option and it'll work =) |
| 18:22.03 | kulve | yeah, I noticed. |
| 18:22.09 | MoRpHeUz | kulve: gmencoder is a gstreamer encoder coded by renato_filho |
| 18:22.21 | kulve | hmm.. |
| 18:22.25 | MoRpHeUz | it just uses gstreamer to encode stuff |
| 18:22.28 | MoRpHeUz | it's like a wrapper |
| 18:22.37 | kulve | I would like to try ogg/theora/vorbis stream, but mencoder doesn't do ogg.. |
| 18:22.51 | MoRpHeUz | kulve: if you want to implement another plugin... =P |
| 18:23.17 | kulve | wouldn't gmencoder be able to encode to anything gstreamer supports..? |
| 18:25.07 | zeenix | kulve: mencoder uses gst? |
| 18:25.27 | kulve | zeenix: afaik, no, it doesn't.. |
| 18:25.44 | kulve | but I understood gmencoder does use it.. |
| 18:26.01 | zeenix | "Gmencoder is a gnome-2 front-end to mplayer/mencoder." |
| 18:26.06 | kulve | oh |
| 18:26.18 | milhouse | itt forums down? |
| 18:26.34 | kulve | zeenix: what about the MoRpHeUz's comment "gmencoder is a gstreamer encoder coded by renato_filho" |
| 18:26.48 | pupnik | not refreshing here |
| 18:26.49 | kulve | I think there are two gmencoders..? |
| 18:26.59 | zeenix | kulve: seems so :( |
| 18:27.01 | milhouse | pupnik - thanks, bummer... just in the middle of a reply |
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| 18:27.27 | MoRpHeUz | zeenix: hhmm |
| 18:27.40 | MoRpHeUz | the gmencoder provided by the gmyth package only uses gstreamer |
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| 18:28.11 | zeenix | MoRpHeUz: google finds: gmencoder.sourceforge.net/ |
| 18:28.41 | zeenix | and it's been there since 2003 :) |
| 18:28.42 | MoRpHeUz | zeenix: definitely it's not the one that I'm talking about =P hehe... |
| 18:28.45 | zeenix | at least |
| 18:29.04 | MoRpHeUz | bad internal name...our fault.. |
| 18:29.14 | zeenix | but i wonder why people can't do a simple google search before they name their projects |
| 18:31.20 | trevarthan | zeenix: devs typically aren't PR people. |
| 18:33.28 | zeenix | trevarthan: ? google search is used more by devs than PR people, afaik |
| 18:33.48 | trevarthan | zeenix: you're arguing for the sake of arguing at this point. |
| 18:35.09 | zeenix | trevarthan: nope! i wasn't talking to you so you shouldn't talk to me either if you think so |
| 18:35.19 | trevarthan | :) |
| 18:35.25 | MoRpHeUz | =/ |
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| 18:46.23 | admgecko | evening everyone |
| 18:46.56 | kulve | MoRpHeUz: hmm.. But I wonder why the gmencoder doesn't find any audio elements.. gst-inspect finds them from my prefix after I set GST_PLUGIN_PATH accordingly.. |
| 18:47.51 | admgecko | im after a little advice, ive just bought a nokia 770 with a 1gb rs-mmc card from expansys, and it should come this week |
| 18:48.55 | admgecko | but i am wondering, what are they must have apps, and can i store them on my 1gb memory card? can i format is as jffs2? can i mount it and install apps onto it? im really thinking ssh on this thing could be awsome |
| 18:48.56 | pupnik | congrats! |
| 18:49.13 | pupnik | yes, no, yes, no |
| 18:49.19 | mgedmin | admgecko: "must have" apps depend on each person, I guess |
| 18:49.24 | MoRpHeUz | renatofilho_: can you help kulve with this ? gmencoder is not working correctly on his machine.... |
| 18:49.26 | mgedmin | FBReader is a must-have app for me |
| 18:49.34 | mgedmin | as well as panelclock and load-applet |
| 18:49.44 | mgedmin | Maemo Mapper is quite popular |
| 18:49.47 | mgedmin | Canola is pretty |
| 18:50.00 | mgedmin | no, you can't store apps on the memory card |
| 18:50.05 | pupnik | if you like linux you will be happy |
| 18:50.07 | mgedmin | no, you can't format the memory card as jffs2 |
| 18:50.15 | MoRpHeUz | renatofilho_: ? |
| 18:50.20 | mgedmin | you don't need to mount it by hand, it's mounted automatically |
| 18:50.26 | mgedmin | again, no, you can't install apps onto it |
| 18:50.28 | kulve | renatofilho_: compiled with /usr/local/something -prefix |
| 18:50.42 | admgecko | :D im thinking about using it for ssh into my servers (so ssh, bash, grep, less etc), vnc, rdesktop, mplayer, gaim? |
| 18:50.43 | mgedmin | you can get ssh installed on the 770 after some trouble |
| 18:50.54 | mgedmin | you can also use it as an ssh client |
| 18:51.08 | kulve | renatofilho_: I don't actually have now much time to debug this, but I'll bug you some other time with this.. :) |
| 18:51.19 | admgecko | im hoping it can replace the little compaq n400c i use for surfing and messaging an ssh when im watching tv |
| 18:51.35 | pupnik | admgecko: ssh and vnc and rdesktop and some vpns work |
| 18:51.50 | mgedmin | I suggest you look at the application catalog on maemo.org (filter for IT OS 2006) |
| 18:51.50 | pupnik | admgecko: but get a bluetooth keyboard |
| 18:51.52 | ||cw | and gaim/pidgeon |
| 18:52.22 | admgecko | so, what can i store on the rs-mmc cards, if i can store apps, can i boot off it? |
| 18:52.24 | mgedmin | the 770/N800 is a pocketable laptop replacement, but it's not a very convenient laptop replacement |
| 18:52.29 | MoRpHeUz | kulve: I'll try to ping him.. |
| 18:52.39 | mgedmin | actually, you can install an alternative os into the mmc card and boot of it |
| 18:52.49 | mgedmin | normal people keep music, books, videos, maps on the card |
| 18:52.52 | kulve | MoRpHeUz: I'll get back to it some other day.. |
| 18:53.02 | MoRpHeUz | kulve: thanks for the tests! =) |
| 18:53.02 | admgecko | and use the full 1gb for apps and stuff? |
| 18:53.04 | kulve | I can try debugging it a bit myself first.. |
| 18:53.11 | kulve | MoRpHeUz: no problem :) |
| 18:53.38 | pupnik | admgecko: you will be surprised how little space you need on the root fs |
| 18:53.56 | mgedmin | apps are small |
| 18:54.12 | zyxulnag1 | ssh is fairly easy to install on the 770, just apt-get install ssh |
| 18:54.19 | admgecko | cool, can it talk to my upnp mp3 server? |
| 18:54.34 | mgedmin | zyxulnag1: but you need root for that, which is not |
| 18:54.40 | mgedmin | very easy to get |
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| 18:54.51 | mgedmin | (sorry for the line break in the middle) |
| 18:54.54 | zyxulnag1 | well yeah easy is relative I guess |
| 18:54.58 | admgecko | it seems it can, i was looking on www.internettablettalk.com, but the site has stoped working for me (my isp are crap) |
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| 19:00.56 | unique311 | disq i'm missing my shuffle and normal icons...where they implimented in this release? |
| 19:01.09 | unique311 | notice the sprite png has them.. |
| 19:03.29 | disq | they're not implemented :/ |
| 19:05.57 | pupnik | casts |
| 19:10.38 | ||cw | good luck with that |
| 19:14.41 | unique311 | pupnik, hows the psx coming |
| 19:15.16 | unique311 | disq, still working on the theme...1 problem |
| 19:15.52 | disq | trev knows the theme business :) |
| 19:16.09 | pupnik | need a simpler bin/iso loader |
| 19:16.12 | unique311 | i'm trying to make the "text big sel" rounded... |
| 19:17.04 | unique311 | but when i try out the them..there's a round is there, but then if you really look you see the square edges in white |
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| 19:18.53 | unique311 | looking at the code..theirs not way to call the create tables and make them round. |
| 19:19.03 | unique311 | ?? |
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| 19:31.37 | trevarthan | unique311: you need transparency to do rounded corners. |
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| 19:32.07 | trevarthan | The colorkey (i.e. transparency pixel/color) comes from the bottom right most pixel in sprites.png. |
| 19:32.48 | admgecko | i got cut off :( stupid laptop battery |
| 19:32.56 | trevarthan | If you can't get it working, send us an email with your diff for the bounding rectangles and your sprites.png and we'll see if we can fix it. |
| 19:33.22 | unique311 | k |
| 19:33.43 | unique311 | i have a descent theme. just got home.. |
| 19:33.56 | unique311 | let me make minor changes... |
| 19:34.01 | trevarthan | yeah, I'm still at work, slaving away.. |
| 19:35.00 | admgecko | what is red-pill mode? r+d mode? |
| 19:36.05 | pupnik | ye |
| 19:36.23 | pupnik | becomeroot? |
| 19:36.23 | _Monkey | i heard becomeroot was For 770 ITOS2006, install dropbear or openssh, then ssh to root on the device, then in a shell: echo 'deb http://eko.one.pl/maemo mistral user' >> /var/cache/apt/sources.list && apt-get update && apt-get install becomeroot , then in xterm type "sudo gainroot" |
| 19:36.48 | pupnik | hmm that should really link to the wiki |
| 19:40.26 | admgecko | im just wondering....is the n800 that much better than the 770, its like 150 quid more expensive? |
| 19:41.11 | admgecko | or is that just cos its newer |
| 19:41.12 | admgecko | ? |
| 19:41.24 | pupnik | 770 is being sold at close-out prices, it's a steal |
| 19:43.12 | admgecko | yeah, i just bought one at expansys, 70 quid, bargin, but im just wondering, whats the diffrence, and is that n800 worth the extra? |
| 19:43.28 | garrett | I saw some random dude on the subway this morning with a 770 |
| 19:43.41 | garrett | I guess he was using fbreader, as he was reading it sideways |
| 19:43.58 | garrett | it was pretty cool to see it out in the wild again (I see people with the 770 and n800 from time to time around here) |
| 19:43.59 | pupnik | can't answer that admgecko |
| 19:44.09 | pupnik | where is that garrett ? |
| 19:44.18 | admgecko | ive been reading reviews + faqs about it all day (when i should be working) im a sucker for a new toy :D |
| 19:45.11 | pupnik | yeah i've been obsessing about the 770 for 8 months now |
| 19:45.12 | garrett | pupnik: in the Boston area |
| 19:45.28 | garrett | but there are a higher number of geeks around here than most of the US |
| 19:45.33 | garrett | so it makes sense |
| 19:45.34 | garrett | (: |
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| 19:47.47 | admgecko | i had a zarus a while back, was great, but my dad borrowed it when his ipaq broke and i havent seen it since |
| 19:47.48 | disq | _Monkey: redpill mode is at http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationManagerRedPillMode |
| 19:47.48 | _Monkey | OK, disq. |
| 19:47.55 | disq | _Monkey: redpill mode? |
| 19:47.56 | _Monkey | redpill mode is at http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationManagerRedPillMode |
| 19:49.59 | admgecko | i cant wait till i get mine, im thinking im / web infront of the tv (pretty lazy, my tv has Windows Media Centre on it :-p) |
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| 19:51.08 | pupnik | i keep away from the sites with evil nasty javascript |
| 19:52.03 | pupnik | also walking around with kismet talking to your earphone with flite is great for finding open wifi spots |
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| 19:52.36 | admgecko | it runs kismet? |
| 19:52.44 | admgecko | how cool is that :D |
| 19:54.14 | pupnik | you can check out my ports page while you're surfing http://pupnik.de/software.html |
| 19:58.08 | admgecko | what about sat nav? i have an old blue reciver kicking about |
| 19:58.10 | admgecko | can i use that? |
| 19:59.52 | pupnik | maemomapper? |
| 20:00.05 | pupnik | don't use that |
| 20:00.11 | pupnik | *i don't |
| 20:00.30 | admgecko | ok, ill grab + install it when my 770 arrives |
| 20:01.15 | admgecko | i can run xterm on it, can i run bash, grep, more, nano, all of the basic stuff im used to (im a debian / slackware / mac os x man :D) |
| 20:01.53 | pupnik | you do admin for work? |
| 20:02.00 | admgecko | yeah |
| 20:02.12 | trevarthan | That new mozilla based browser is hecka better than opera. |
| 20:02.19 | admgecko | im a server admin at a utility company |
| 20:02.36 | trevarthan | Just had to install it today because my work's web site kept crashing opera. Mozilla pulled it first try. |
| 20:03.27 | pupnik | how is speed/memory use? |
| 20:14.50 | db48x | timeless: I never sent it, it kept failing to send to your address |
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| 20:22.04 | qgil | maddler: ping |
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| 20:38.24 | unique311 | question.... |
| 20:38.42 | unique311 | trevarthan, the bluetooth icons..light blue is for? |
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| 20:42.21 | trevarthan | unique311: light blue = off, dark blue = on |
| 20:42.36 | unique311 | cool |
| 20:42.49 | unique311 | k, i found the colorkey |
| 20:43.19 | trevarthan | :) I didn't explain it well enough before? |
| 20:43.30 | unique311 | i see 2 pixels. |
| 20:43.46 | trevarthan | 2? |
| 20:43.46 | _Monkey | rumour has it 2 is kernel |
| 20:43.55 | unique311 | 1 gray 1 blue |
| 20:43.57 | trevarthan | shut up monkey |
| 20:44.24 | trevarthan | no, the colorkey is the lower right most pixel. It's pink in the original theme. |
| 20:44.33 | trevarthan | colorkey = transparency pixel |
| 20:45.31 | trevarthan | unique311: what line of the code are you looking at, and which file? |
| 20:46.05 | unique311 | scanner-kagu.py |
| 20:46.24 | unique311 | i did a search for color key...and yeah it is pink. |
| 20:46.45 | trevarthan | where were you getting gray and blue? what line? |
| 20:47.00 | unique311 | on the png itself. |
| 20:47.00 | trevarthan | you can see line numbers here: https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/browser/trunk/src/kagu/kagu-scanner.py |
| 20:47.05 | unique311 | i'm confused..lol |
| 20:47.10 | trevarthan | :) np. |
| 20:47.38 | unique311 | line 255 |
| 20:47.42 | unique311 | ok... |
| 20:48.09 | unique311 | so all ihave to do is change the color key to the background color i'm using. |
| 20:48.37 | unique311 | and cheating transparency happens. |
| 20:48.56 | trevarthan | I'm not sure what you mean. The lower right pixel in sprites.png defines the transparency pixel. |
| 20:49.00 | unique311 | you sent me the email.. |
| 20:49.15 | trevarthan | Change that pixel, and something different will be used for the colorkey. |
| 20:49.16 | _Monkey | trevarthan: that doesn't look right |
| 20:49.22 | trevarthan | shut up monkey! |
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| 20:49.32 | unique311 | ok i got that part... |
| 20:49.52 | trevarthan | ok. |
| 20:50.01 | trevarthan | so what are you confused about? |
| 20:50.03 | unique311 | i got rid of the pink...because i was having issues with it before.. |
| 20:50.09 | unique311 | now i know a little more.. |
| 20:50.44 | trevarthan | pink is my favorite color. :) |
| 20:51.07 | unique311 | so if my lower right pixel is light blue...the color key has to change in the source correct? |
| 20:51.15 | trevarthan | no |
| 20:51.27 | trevarthan | the source should stay the same. |
| 20:51.50 | trevarthan | the colorkey is pulled from the sprites.png and distributed dynamically through the source. |
| 20:52.05 | unique311 | ok |
| 20:52.11 | trevarthan | So... if you find a place where it needs to change, you're either doing something wrong, or you've found a bug. |
| 20:52.29 | unique311 | so let me check out scanner-kagu.py ion the device... |
| 20:52.41 | unique311 | i think it is using the new color which is white... |
| 20:52.52 | unique311 | and that is not working with the gradient i'm using. |
| 20:53.18 | trevarthan | yeah, that's why I used pink. You'll never have pink in your theme, unless it's girly. |
| 20:53.18 | unique311 | i'll figure it out eventually |
| 20:53.41 | trevarthan | so it makes a perfect color key. you don't want something that will appear in gradients by accident. |
| 20:53.59 | unique311 | might revert it back to pink... |
| 20:54.08 | trevarthan | yeah, probably a good idea. |
| 20:55.19 | trevarthan | https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/browser/trunk/src/kagu/theme.py line 34 is where the colorkey is pulled from sprites.png from the lower right corner, BTW. |
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| 20:56.53 | pupnik | trevarthan: that's cool. i like people who pink different :P |
| 20:57.54 | trevarthan | "Pink is my favorite color": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_%28song%29 |
| 20:58.24 | trevarthan | decidedly, un-gay |
| 20:59.44 | pupnik | they're still touring |
| 20:59.49 | disq | pink is my msn text color |
| 21:01.57 | pupnik | The series of Pan-Mutantean Congresses which he had helped to organize forced him to see a connection between Hate-filled genetic bigotry and Pink imperialism in Asgard. At the same time, communism was representing itself as the foe of both genetic bigotry and imperialism, and for many of the oppressed peoples throughout the world the communist claim had become attractive. To the S.L.A.K. Squad it seemed that Pudluster's new "pink" i |
| 21:02.41 | erstazi | pupnik, heh |
| 21:03.37 | trevarthan | Asgard, eh? city of the gods? |
| 21:04.02 | pupnik | 'pink' has meaning in SubGenius mythology |
| 21:05.06 | trevarthan | hey, off topic, does anyone know of an MIME Email validator web interface I could use? I've got a questionable email I need to double check. |
| 21:05.52 | pupnik | Das topic ist Pink, mein herr! |
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| 21:22.07 | pupnik | on itos2006 opera, i rarely can type into the address bar with synergy |
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| 21:23.07 | pupnik | it's it2006-49 with keesj's synergy-maemo Version: 1.3.1-1 |
| 21:24.30 | pupnik | maemo-gtk-im-switch xim solved the typing into opera problem |
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| 21:59.12 | sbaturzio | Aloha! |
| 21:59.12 | _Monkey | Guten Tag, sbaturzio! |
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| 22:10.02 | joshin | Synergy on the 770 is just amusing... Now I need to hack the stand a bit and track down a news/stock ticker and bigger clock. |
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| 22:21.57 | celesteh | hey all |
| 22:22.04 | erstazi | hi celesteh |
| 22:22.04 | pupnik | moo |
| 22:22.05 | celesteh | i'm on OS X and I want to sinatll glimmr |
| 22:22.10 | celesteh | install |
| 22:22.17 | celesteh | and I'm having a hard time building it |
| 22:22.46 | celesteh | mono is supposed to be cross-platform, so theoretically, if i got it built, i could run it on maemo |
| 22:23.03 | celesteh | (glimmr is a mono-based flickr uploader) |
| 22:23.17 | erstazi | ah, I wondered when I did a google search |
| 22:23.34 | celesteh | is there a binary distro of it lurking out there someplace? |
| 22:23.42 | celesteh | would i be happier just trying to write a python script? |
| 22:23.59 | celesteh | is there any way to get scratchbox going on OS X non-intel macs? |
| 22:24.05 | erstazi | celesteh, hmm, has a search on maemo.org came no avail? |
| 22:24.24 | erstazi | I swore there was something for scratchbox for ppc |
| 22:24.29 | erstazi | but I could be wrong |
| 22:24.44 | celesteh | i haven't found anything, but i might be looking in the wrong places |
| 22:24.55 | celesteh | <-- looking at maemo.org now |
| 22:25.25 | celesteh | the deps for building glimmr are very linux-y |
| 22:26.00 | erstazi | what os do you have on your nokia? |
| 22:26.12 | erstazi | also 770 or n800? |
| 22:26.22 | celesteh | n800 |
| 22:26.24 | celesteh | latest OS |
| 22:27.18 | erstazi | ok |
| 22:27.21 | erstazi | so IT2007 |
| 22:27.37 | celesteh | yeah. |
| 22:27.53 | celesteh | no glimmr on maemo.org |
| 22:27.57 | erstazi | now, to make sure, you need glimmr on your n800 |
| 22:28.02 | celesteh | maybe i should just write a script |
| 22:28.29 | celesteh | i'm looking for a flickr uploader and it was the most promising looking |
| 22:28.35 | erstazi | celesteh, one thing to know about, your nokia uses ARM arch, so if its not available, it needs ported |
| 22:28.39 | erstazi | oh ok |
| 22:28.46 | erstazi | there might be another one on maemo |
| 22:28.52 | erstazi | let me do some searching for ya |
| 22:28.54 | celesteh | theoretically, mono is like java |
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| 22:29.24 | celesteh | my feature requirements are: does titles, tags and descriptions. can deal with only having an intermittent network connection. |
| 22:29.37 | NeoStrider | hello my friends! |
| 22:29.43 | celesteh | hi neo |
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| 22:29.53 | erstazi | celesteh, the latter is normal heh |
| 22:30.00 | erstazi | hello NeoStrider |
| 22:30.08 | celesteh | i want something that acts like a mail client . . . with an outbox |
| 22:30.16 | celesteh | or kind of like that |
| 22:30.18 | erstazi | ok |
| 22:30.51 | celesteh | i really like the n800, but i got for flickr and blogger and i'm having troubles with both |
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| 22:31.08 | celesteh | at least i can log in to flickr with the opera browser, which is more than i can do with blogger |
| 22:31.14 | erstazi | celesteh, NFlick |
| 22:31.30 | celesteh | thanks! |
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| 22:32.35 | erstazi | celesteh, http://www.mdk.org.pl/articles/2006/07/10/nflick-0-2 |
| 22:33.31 | erstazi | celesteh, before jumping on it, let me ask some of the veterans of n770/800 a question |
| 22:33.35 | erstazi | or someone |
| 22:33.36 | _Monkey | i heard someone was working on getting something working along those lines, but nokia do not officially support a2dp |
| 22:33.50 | erstazi | _Monkey, forget or someone |
| 22:33.50 | _Monkey | erstazi, I didn't have anything matching or someone |
| 22:33.58 | erstazi | _Monkey, forget someone |
| 22:33.59 | _Monkey | erstazi: I forgot someone |
| 22:34.24 | erstazi | pupnik, can someone install a 770 app on an n800? |
| 22:34.36 | pupnik | yes, usually |
| 22:34.38 | NeoStrider | nflick? |
| 22:35.17 | erstazi | yes |
| 22:35.22 | celesteh | wait, is nflick an uploader? |
| 22:35.23 | NeoStrider | got it |
| 22:35.30 | erstazi | celesteh, not too sure |
| 22:35.30 | NeoStrider | oh no |
| 22:35.38 | NeoStrider | oh yeah..got it |
| 22:35.40 | celesteh | it doesn't mention that in the features |
| 22:35.47 | NeoStrider | its just a browser |
| 22:35.49 | erstazi | NFlick is an application to quickly browse your flickr photos sets. A cafe-like “I want to show you that photo” solution. |
| 22:36.14 | NeoStrider | the "oh no" was becouse I suddenly saw "Flickr Browser" |
| 22:36.19 | celesteh | ah, no, what I need is an uploader |
| 22:36.29 | erstazi | sorry |
| 22:36.37 | celesteh | it's cool |
| 22:37.01 | NeoStrider | the browser doesnt handle it? |
| 22:37.19 | erstazi | NeoStrider, I think celesteh is looking for a mass uploader |
| 22:37.22 | erstazi | but I might be wrong |
| 22:37.40 | celesteh | it does, but i want to be able to tag, title and describe the photos while i'm hanging out at, say, a campground, and have it do uploads for me later when i get to a hotspot |
| 22:37.43 | NeoStrider | is there such a thing on desktop? |
| 22:38.00 | NeoStrider | (im new to flickr...just got my account last friday) |
| 22:38.01 | erstazi | NeoStrider, yeah I have seen it |
| 22:38.06 | erstazi | I am not a flickr user |
| 22:38.22 | NeoStrider | yeah...but Im quite away from those web 2.0 websites |
| 22:38.30 | celesteh | heh. they're handy |
| 22:39.16 | erstazi | celesteh, I got a blogger app |
| 22:39.20 | erstazi | it might be helpful to you |
| 22:39.32 | erstazi | celesteh, http://downloads.maemo.org/product/maemo-blog/ |
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| 22:39.47 | celesteh | ah, that crashes for me |
| 22:39.48 | erstazi | hello Tu13es |
| 22:39.49 | celesteh | early and often |
| 22:39.55 | erstazi | celesteh, hmmm thats odd |
| 22:39.56 | Tu13es | hi |
| 22:39.57 | NeoStrider | hello tul3es |
| 22:40.10 | erstazi | celesteh, I thought I saw a more stable version of that floating somewhere |
| 22:40.11 | NeoStrider | s/tul3es/Tul3es/ |
| 22:40.33 | Tu13es | it's a 1 |
| 22:40.35 | Tu13es | not an l |
| 22:40.40 | NeoStrider | hahahah |
| 22:40.56 | NeoStrider | I need some lenses |
| 22:41.21 | erstazi | I use tab to finish nicks heh |
| 22:41.29 | erstazi | but I still will get the wrong one |
| 22:43.00 | NeoStrider | nice! |
| 22:43.02 | NeoStrider | works! |
| 22:44.01 | erstazi | the thing is, in large channels, you end up tabbing through hundreds of nicks to get the right one |
| 22:44.18 | erstazi | or just typing an extra character, but I think 2 characters are usually enough |
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| 22:59.13 | celesteh | ok, this is cool: http://berserk.org/uploadr/ |
| 22:59.19 | celesteh | i just need a UI |
| 22:59.22 | celesteh | "just" |
| 22:59.23 | celesteh | haha |
| 23:00.14 | NeoStrider | gtg |
| 23:00.15 | NeoStrider | brb |
| 23:00.18 | NeoStrider | dinner |
| 23:00.35 | celesteh | bon appetit! |
| 23:00.58 | NeoStrider | ...thanks... |
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| 23:19.56 | pupnik_ | btw i've seen the WSOD three times but removing the battery solved em |
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| 23:29.14 | NeoStrider | pupnik_: saw it just once...but had a few strange reboots |
| 23:29.28 | NeoStrider | the last of them, had a nice nice garbled screen |
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| 23:52.50 | jbinder | Hi. |
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| 23:54.36 | NeoStrider | hi jbinder |
| 23:55.14 | jbinder | Does anyone know if they make Checkers for the 770 with OS2006SE? |
| 23:56.22 | jbinder | Like Chess... but Checkers. |
| 23:56.30 | jbinder | Lol... I searched for it online at several sites. |
| 23:58.45 | NeoStrider | let me check |
