| 00:03.21 | pupnik | the minimum system requirements look too high |
| 00:03.53 | pupnik | http://www.secretmaryo.org/index.php?page=about&sid=sid=d71b206ef66160c1e135cf73d5779e2e |
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| 00:13.32 | unique311 | hmmm |
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| 00:14.52 | tinix | anyone have a few minutes to spare? |
| 00:15.50 | tinix | i'm having problems with my home and power buttons... |
| 00:17.02 | tinix | instead of bringing up a menu, my device just turs off, or i'm dropped to the home screen in the case of the home button |
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| 00:17.24 | tinix | i have tried editing mce.ini to no avail |
| 00:26.46 | pupnik | i don't know this problem tinix |
| 00:27.49 | unique311 | no go with smc...sucks...the screenshots look real good |
| 00:28.02 | tinix | if i remove mce.ini, this behavior is just like that. i think i may have corrupted my file :S |
| 00:28.10 | unique311 | pupnik...it was ported to the gp32x |
| 00:28.19 | unique311 | source file available.. |
| 00:28.26 | pupnik | there must be a way to disable opengl then |
| 00:28.41 | unique311 | version .97 |
| 00:28.44 | unique311 | pre .98 |
| 00:28.57 | unique311 | as of .98 opengl was introduce to it. |
| 00:29.02 | unique311 | pre .98 sdl |
| 00:29.03 | pupnik | aha |
| 00:29.13 | tinix | can anyone dcc me their /etc/mce.ini and /etc/systemui/systemui.xml files? |
| 00:29.25 | unique311 | pretty sure 99 has an option in the .configure |
| 00:30.09 | pupnik | tinix: my nokia is not working right now sorry |
| 00:30.10 | unique311 | if you go to the gp32x site...you can find the source. |
| 00:30.27 | unique311 | i'll send you them tinix..but i have to look em over |
| 00:30.28 | tinix | pupnik, thanks anyway... |
| 00:30.30 | pupnik | tinix: it would help if you speficied your operating system version |
| 00:30.49 | tinix | the newest one... hold on |
| 00:31.11 | tinix | softpoweroff wprked fine in the last one |
| 00:31.45 | tinix | ~ $ uname -a |
| 00:31.53 | tinix | gr |
| 00:32.04 | tinix | Linux Nokia-N800-26 2.6.18-omap1 #2 Wed Jun 13 11:37:40 EEST 2007 armv6l unknown |
| 00:32.27 | unique311 | k, i don't have /etc/mce.ini |
| 00:32.33 | unique311 | i do have the xml file |
| 00:32.37 | unique311 | you want it |
| 00:32.41 | tinix | /etc/mce/mce.ini |
| 00:32.46 | tinix | my mistake |
| 00:32.49 | unique311 | ok |
| 00:32.53 | unique311 | hold on |
| 00:33.00 | tinix | thanks :) |
| 00:34.04 | tinix | i'm away from home, didn't bring my laptop, or else i'd reflash... again. |
| 00:38.49 | unique311 | http://www.divshare.com/download/1371313-782 |
| 00:38.56 | unique311 | tinix, |
| 00:39.39 | tinix | thanks, unique311 i'll let you know if it works |
| 00:41.34 | unique311 | np |
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| 00:52.43 | tinix | i owe you my first-born unique311 |
| 00:53.03 | tinix | :) |
| 00:54.17 | unique311 | danm |
| 00:54.25 | unique311 | thats deep man.. |
| 00:54.32 | tinix | hah |
| 00:54.33 | unique311 | if i was the devil you would be screwed |
| 00:54.40 | tinix | lies |
| 00:55.08 | unique311 | to the devil thats a deal |
| 00:55.28 | tinix | too bad i don't believe in the devil :P |
| 00:55.50 | unique311 | i guess you would have to believe, huh |
| 00:55.58 | unique311 | thats how those things work.... |
| 00:56.00 | tinix | pssh |
| 00:56.48 | tinix | you know alot about the subject, eh? how would i go about trading souls with someone? |
| 00:57.35 | unique311 | i don't know about such things.. |
| 00:57.49 | tinix | but you just said... |
| 00:57.57 | unique311 | religion don't play a big part in my life.. |
| 00:58.01 | tinix | LIES AND SLANDER |
| 00:58.07 | tinix | :p |
| 00:58.17 | unique311 | when i do tell people what i believe in they tend to laugh... |
| 00:58.22 | unique311 | not lies and slander.. |
| 00:58.29 | tinix | let's hear it |
| 00:58.58 | unique311 | i alway tend to go off topic in this channel.. |
| 00:59.09 | tinix | heh |
| 00:59.18 | unique311 | not sure i should try to explain what i believe in on maemo.. |
| 00:59.25 | unique311 | might get the boot |
| 01:00.47 | unique311 | pupnik, thanks for the mario war port... |
| 01:01.14 | unique311 | konttori, thanks for the UKMP update... |
| 01:03.55 | Radar | (now fix the 12 albums to scroll bug) |
| 01:03.57 | Radar | :) |
| 01:05.43 | tinix | anyone know how if flickr is being implemented into the camera app? there is a flickr line in the config file |
| 01:10.45 | pupnik | got to sleep -cheers |
| 01:11.23 | unique311 | lates man |
| 01:11.26 | tinix | n8 |
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| 01:40.26 | fro1 | I'm starting to hate apt just as much as timeless does |
| 01:40.30 | fro1 | http://pastebin.com/d5598df24 |
| 01:40.35 | fro1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:40.40 | fro1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:40.43 | fro1 | NO IT'S NOT |
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| 02:08.54 | NeoStrider | hello folks |
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| 02:09.51 | fro1 | FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK |
| 02:10.03 | fro1 | (nobody minds profanity, right?) |
| 02:10.34 | fro1 | I need a package |
| 02:10.38 | fro1 | which needs glib |
| 02:10.43 | fro1 | but the bora one is too old |
| 02:10.51 | fro1 | I get the source package |
| 02:11.03 | fro1 | which needs gnome-pkg-tools |
| 02:11.10 | fro1 | but the bora version is too old |
| 02:11.17 | fro1 | I get the source package |
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| 02:11.24 | fro1 | which can't find 'xmlto' |
| 02:11.51 | fro1 | after a lot of hassle, it turns out scratchbox didn't install the doctools devkit correctly |
| 02:12.19 | fro1 | (in SDK_X86, xmlto is there and works, on armel IT'S NOT) |
| 02:12.26 | fro1 | fix that |
| 02:12.32 | fro1 | rinse and repeat |
| 02:12.41 | fro1 | still errors |
| 02:12.45 | fro1 | goddamn |
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| 02:13.39 | fro1 | I'm not supposed to waste my nights on this, I just need glib |
| 02:14.13 | NeoStrider | what are you doing, fro1? |
| 02:14.21 | fro1 | porting telepathy-salut |
| 02:14.56 | fro1 | while my friends are getting drunk and humping the living shit out of their girlfriends at the beach |
| 02:16.12 | fro1 | even mamona and openembedded don't have a recent glib2 |
| 02:16.46 | fro1 | and I'm not saying recent as in "last week" and as a months old release |
| 02:16.51 | fro1 | s/and/but/ |
| 02:17.04 | fro1 | s/and/but/2 |
| 02:17.10 | fro1 | whatever... |
| 02:17.17 | NeoStrider | what is telepathy-salut? |
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| 02:17.20 | NeoStrider | voip, right? |
| 02:17.23 | fro1 | nope |
| 02:17.33 | fro1 | link-local connection manager |
| 02:18.04 | fro1 | "iChat+Bonjour"-style chat over the LAN |
| 02:18.12 | NeoStrider | what the hell is that? |
| 02:18.15 | NeoStrider | ahh |
| 02:18.24 | NeoStrider | IM |
| 02:18.28 | NeoStrider | nice =-) |
| 02:18.32 | fro1 | no |
| 02:18.35 | fro1 | it's not |
| 02:18.53 | fro1 | at least, it is, unless you're trying to build it |
| 02:18.53 | NeoStrider | whats the diference? |
| 02:19.12 | fro1 | difference between salut and what ? |
| 02:19.16 | NeoStrider | (not mesmerizing...Im really asking) |
| 02:19.19 | NeoStrider | salut and a IM |
| 02:19.29 | fro1 | it IS an im system |
| 02:19.38 | fro1 | without a centralized server |
| 02:19.51 | fro1 | it just lists whoever is on your same LAN |
| 02:20.17 | fro1 | and you can chat with him, share files, video, and more in the future |
| 02:20.19 | NeoStrider | oh.. I see |
| 02:20.39 | NeoStrider | like those sms chats from old Series 30 phones |
| 02:20.45 | fro1 | no idea |
| 02:20.49 | fro1 | never had a nokia |
| 02:21.28 | NeoStrider | =-O |
| 02:21.32 | fro1 | but a friend of mine could do a similar thing with the 6630 (or whatever that was) with bluetooth |
| 02:21.33 | NeoStrider | hehehhe |
| 02:21.46 | NeoStrider | those are way before BT |
| 02:22.01 | NeoStrider | BW phones |
| 02:22.40 | fro1 | anyway |
| 02:22.46 | NeoStrider | where are you from, fro1? |
| 02:23.19 | fro1 | AAAAAAAAARGH |
| 02:23.28 | fro1 | I wasted all this time for NOTHING |
| 02:23.41 | NeoStrider | relaaaaax |
| 02:23.44 | fro1 | Chinook has an up-to-date glib |
| 02:23.48 | NeoStrider | take a deep breath... |
| 02:23.50 | fro1 | and I found out just now |
| 02:23.54 | fro1 | at 4am |
| 02:24.15 | NeoStrider | you should be sleeping... |
| 02:24.16 | fro1 | NeoStrider: I have an internet connection only from 11pm to 6am every day |
| 02:24.24 | NeoStrider | i see |
| 02:24.33 | fro1 | so I can't afford wasting time like that |
| 02:24.56 | NeoStrider | i once had that...(ok...it was 5 years ago , but I understand you) |
| 02:24.57 | fro1 | if I had just upgraded to chinook earlier... |
| 02:25.20 | fro1 | the problem is that probably I won't be able to run the damn thing on the device that |
| 02:25.22 | fro1 | *then |
| 02:25.34 | fro1 | therefore it's.. utterly useless |
| 02:25.42 | fro1 | but still, it's the only thing I can do now |
| 02:25.49 | fro1 | so |
| 02:25.55 | fro1 | to upgrade or not to upgrade? |
| 02:26.01 | NeoStrider | and the SDK is not complete yet, anyway |
| 02:26.01 | fro1 | NeoStrider: your choice |
| 02:26.10 | fro1 | I now, but I need those packages |
| 02:26.14 | NeoStrider | I know nothing from gregalle and on |
| 02:26.25 | NeoStrider | and Im only a game developer |
| 02:26.33 | NeoStrider | the underlying layer is not my business |
| 02:26.46 | fro1 | the problem is that if I break scratchbox, I'm quite screwed |
| 02:26.50 | NeoStrider | I just need SDL working correctly and consistently (and that sometimes fail) |
| 02:26.56 | fro1 | cool |
| 02:26.59 | NeoStrider | I had this case before |
| 02:27.05 | NeoStrider | just copy your SBOX |
| 02:27.12 | NeoStrider | and if you screw it, restore the copy |
| 02:27.16 | fro1 | 'no space left on device' |
| 02:27.36 | NeoStrider | worked for me when I tried to install gregalle and it didnt worked ...I restored my mistral SDL just fine |
| 02:27.49 | NeoStrider | ok..now you'r f*cked up |
| 02:27.55 | NeoStrider | no CD recorder? |
| 02:28.01 | fro1 | no CDs :P |
| 02:28.07 | NeoStrider | pendrives? |
| 02:28.16 | fro1 | not that big |
| 02:28.33 | NeoStrider | how big? |
| 02:28.54 | fro1 | got an old mp3 player, 128Mb, scrathbox takes _gigabytes_ |
| 02:29.34 | NeoStrider | mine is only 1.1 gb |
| 02:29.52 | NeoStrider | and I've got a 1 GB pendrive...so, maybe it could work... |
| 02:30.21 | NeoStrider | and of course...you can always clean up the house erasing the old .tgz from the rootstraps |
| 02:31.11 | fro1 | mmm |
| 02:31.14 | fro1 | maybe I'm safe |
| 02:31.51 | fro1 | the chinook targets are called SDK_ALPHA_ARMEL and SDK_ALPHA_X86 |
| 02:31.53 | NeoStrider | erase all that pr0n and maybe will there be "space on device" =-P |
| 02:31.59 | NeoStrider | hummmm |
| 02:32.02 | NeoStrider | lucky heheh |
| 02:32.09 | fro1 | they won't overwrite the old ones |
| 02:32.24 | NeoStrider | but and rootstraps wont clash? |
| 02:32.28 | NeoStrider | and the glib thing? |
| 02:33.36 | NeoStrider | the new rootstraps wont overwrite the old one's glib? |
| 02:34.37 | fro1 | we'll promptly find out |
| 02:34.50 | fro1 | I have no other option anyway |
| 02:36.34 | NeoStrider | "770: thats when your fading out routing of your game looks good on your desktop but not on the device" (R) |
| 02:36.54 | NeoStrider | ("fading out routine", not "routing") |
| 02:36.59 | fro1 | mm? |
| 02:37.00 | fro1 | ah |
| 02:37.12 | NeoStrider | a game im debugging on the 770 right now |
| 02:37.26 | NeoStrider | on the desktop, the fading out effect looked great |
| 02:37.32 | NeoStrider | on the 770 is jerky |
| 02:38.12 | NeoStrider | I superstimated the polygon blitting speed |
| 02:39.49 | fro1 | and I overestimated the time it would take to build a *gnome-based* package on a *gnome-based* distribution |
| 02:40.02 | fro1 | s/overestimated/underestimated/ |
| 02:40.48 | NeoStrider | cool stuff heheh |
| 02:41.09 | fro1 | no at all |
| 02:41.17 | NeoStrider | about the package...the fact is or isnt a gnome-based distro doesnt interfere with the speed |
| 02:41.18 | fro1 | going on vacation would be 'cool stuff' |
| 02:41.22 | NeoStrider | (cool "infobot") |
| 02:41.45 | fro1 | I'm not talking about your package |
| 02:42.26 | NeoStrider | but im talking about yours |
| 02:42.35 | fro1 | ok |
| 02:42.41 | NeoStrider | (ok, my english is not good, but I guess I was clear) |
| 02:42.46 | fro1 | it's almost 5am |
| 02:42.53 | fro1 | it's my brain which is rotten |
| 02:42.53 | NeoStrider | get some sleep |
| 02:42.57 | fro1 | can't |
| 02:42.59 | NeoStrider | I can understand you |
| 02:43.11 | NeoStrider | been in that situation before... |
| 02:43.24 | NeoStrider | is that a work assignment? |
| 02:43.34 | fro1 | more or les |
| 02:43.35 | NeoStrider | or a college one? |
| 02:43.36 | fro1 | *less |
| 02:43.50 | fro1 | oh no, I wish we did this kind of stuff at college |
| 02:44.39 | NeoStrider | got chinook already? |
| 02:44.47 | fro1 | dooooooooooooooooownloading |
| 02:44.50 | fro1 | slooooooooooooooowly |
| 02:44.55 | NeoStrider | dial up? |
| 02:45.14 | fro1 | DSL, capped at 64k |
| 02:45.16 | fro1 | err |
| 02:45.18 | fro1 | 640k |
| 02:45.27 | NeoStrider | kb/s? |
| 02:45.40 | fro1 | bits |
| 02:45.52 | NeoStrider | but what is the current download speed? |
| 02:46.05 | fro1 | ~70K/s |
| 02:46.08 | NeoStrider | hahha |
| 02:46.13 | NeoStrider | you're lucky |
| 02:46.19 | fro1 | you bet |
| 02:46.22 | NeoStrider | mine cable is 250K |
| 02:46.29 | fro1 | there's NOBODY online right now |
| 02:46.34 | NeoStrider | and the fastest download I get is 30kb/s |
| 02:46.51 | fro1 | but you don't have to login at night, I guess |
| 02:46.52 | NeoStrider | it took me weeks to download the gregalle stuff |
| 02:48.14 | NeoStrider | sure I dont have any assignment |
| 02:48.20 | NeoStrider | and do this for my pure pleasure |
| 02:48.45 | NeoStrider | but sometimes is frustating |
| 02:48.45 | NeoStrider | becouse I have just a couple of hours to work on my games |
| 02:49.12 | fro1 | but you live in fucking brazil, go to the beach or something :P |
| 02:50.25 | NeoStrider | its not that easy |
| 02:50.43 | NeoStrider | I have to pave my way to a good future |
| 02:51.05 | NeoStrider | going to beach every day will just pave my way to the dumpster |
| 02:51.26 | NeoStrider | italia? |
| 02:51.26 | fro1 | heh, I haven't taken a day off in three years |
| 02:51.35 | fro1 | and I live in front of the sea |
| 02:51.39 | fro1 | yes, unfortunately |
| 02:52.04 | NeoStrider | ok...im not that extreme...but Im working for about a year and a half , without vacation, and I too, live in front of the sea |
| 02:52.33 | NeoStrider | I have a sailboat and a beach house...and I never go into neither |
| 02:52.38 | fro1 | argh |
| 02:52.47 | NeoStrider | (I would rather be in italia than Brazil...) |
| 02:52.55 | fro1 | oh no |
| 02:52.58 | fro1 | you wouldn't |
| 02:53.08 | fro1 | pick anywhere else |
| 02:53.24 | fro1 | but not italy |
| 02:53.48 | NeoStrider | even if italy sucks...it is in europe...you can easily go anywhere else |
| 02:53.58 | NeoStrider | im basicly stuck with what? latin america? |
| 02:54.09 | fro1 | sure, if you have the money you can go anywhere |
| 02:54.14 | NeoStrider | I like brazil...but sometimes it just sucks |
| 02:54.28 | NeoStrider | in Brazil, not even with money you can go anywhere |
| 02:55.18 | NeoStrider | the lines in the airports ,currently, takes about 20 hours |
| 02:55.29 | NeoStrider | a plane even crashed last week |
| 02:55.31 | fro1 | it seems everybody just complains about what he has |
| 02:55.36 | NeoStrider | airports in Brazil are just pure chaos |
| 02:55.37 | fro1 | yeah, heard about that |
| 02:55.37 | _Monkey | NeoStrider: That doesn't look right. Try 'airport code for CITY' or 'airport name for CODE' instead. |
| 02:55.49 | fro1 | freaking bots... |
| 02:55.54 | NeoStrider | hahhahahah |
| 02:56.42 | fro1 | still |
| 02:56.48 | NeoStrider | hey...wanna relax playing a game? |
| 02:56.52 | fro1 | ah no |
| 02:56.59 | fro1 | haven't touched a game in years |
| 02:57.02 | NeoStrider | ok... |
| 02:57.13 | fro1 | thanks, but they're not my thing |
| 02:57.23 | NeoStrider | ok... |
| 02:57.37 | fro1 | I tend to lose, and when I lose I get nervous |
| 02:57.54 | fro1 | (as when I can't get some damn software to build) |
| 03:00.13 | NeoStrider | hahhaha...if it worth to make you feel beter, It took me a year to figure out how to build the deb package for my game and to be able to properly test it on the 770 |
| 03:00.28 | NeoStrider | when I finally got it running on the 770, the N800 was already out |
| 03:00.35 | fro1 | I don't have a year :\ |
| 03:00.39 | fro1 | damn.. |
| 03:00.44 | NeoStrider | debian packages are just f*cking hard to create with autotools |
| 03:01.20 | NeoStrider | and also, my game is not that impressive for a desktop..now you figure out what is to be working on something "useless"? |
| 03:01.25 | NeoStrider | for about two years |
| 03:01.45 | fro1 | yes I know, I've been working on a kernel for about a year |
| 03:02.10 | NeoStrider | linux kernel hacking or custom kernel? |
| 03:02.31 | fro1 | when I got it to bootstrap itself, schedule threads and allocate memory, I didn't have time anymore :\ |
| 03:02.50 | fro1 | custom |
| 03:02.56 | NeoStrider | wow |
| 03:03.17 | fro1 | nah, games are more 'wow' :D |
| 03:03.19 | NeoStrider | I once did a non-preemptive scheduller..and that was hard....man...you're good! |
| 03:03.27 | NeoStrider | not really |
| 03:03.29 | NeoStrider | not mine |
| 03:03.42 | NeoStrider | mobile games tend to bem more like "yawn" heheh |
| 03:03.49 | fro1 | at least you have something to show off, rather than a boot screen and a prompt |
| 03:04.06 | fro1 | s/screen/splash/ |
| 03:04.24 | fro1 | btw, I thing I've seen your engine |
| 03:04.25 | NeoStrider | I once did a customization of knoppix |
| 03:04.27 | fro1 | it's good |
| 03:04.33 | fro1 | s/thing/think/ |
| 03:04.37 | NeoStrider | this: http://angstron.garage.maemo.org/screenshots.html ? |
| 03:04.58 | fro1 | yes :) |
| 03:05.11 | NeoStrider | yeah...but its hell slow |
| 03:05.21 | NeoStrider | 5 fps on a 770, for most of the time |
| 03:05.25 | NeoStrider | and its quite incosistent |
| 03:05.42 | NeoStrider | and its developement was quit slow too |
| 03:05.49 | NeoStrider | 2 years of work and still nothing that worth |
| 03:06.03 | fro1 | learning *is* worth the time |
| 03:06.20 | NeoStrider | but there isnt anything that new with that |
| 03:06.32 | NeoStrider | maybe some techniques on the portal rendering |
| 03:06.34 | fro1 | and that's the main reason why one would ever embrace such a big project |
| 03:06.45 | NeoStrider | (BsC thesis, by the way) |
| 03:06.53 | fro1 | oh, cool |
| 03:07.22 | NeoStrider | but the main point is: Quake2 for the N800 is waaaay faster and nicer |
| 03:07.43 | NeoStrider | maybe I learned just to be quicker on developement =-) |
| 03:07.46 | fro1 | I wonder if they'd ever accept something like that as a BsC thesis here, rather than their usual boring useless crap |
| 03:08.03 | NeoStrider | but mine is quite different too |
| 03:08.10 | fro1 | NeoStrider: but carmack is carmack :P |
| 03:08.11 | NeoStrider | colleges are all the same =-P |
| 03:08.31 | NeoStrider | yeah...I hope I have a ferrari one day too |
| 03:08.41 | fro1 | hahahahahhaha |
| 03:08.44 | NeoStrider | by now I only have a Fiat Fiorino |
| 03:08.52 | fro1 | I don't even have a car |
| 03:09.12 | fro1 | "Installation was successful!" |
| 03:09.17 | fro1 | argh, I'm afraid to login |
| 03:09.17 | NeoStrider | \o/ |
| 03:09.21 | NeoStrider | cmon! |
| 03:09.32 | NeoStrider | do it! |
| 03:10.24 | fro1 | [sbox-SDK_ALPHA_ARMEL: ~/apt] > cat /usr/lib/pkgconfig/glib-2.0.pc | grep Version |
| 03:10.24 | fro1 | Version: 2.12.12 |
| 03:10.29 | fro1 | !!! \o/ !!! |
| 03:10.38 | NeoStrider | but how functional is it? |
| 03:10.43 | fro1 | no idea |
| 03:10.56 | fro1 | don't spoil my happiness :P |
| 03:11.05 | NeoStrider | ok =-P |
| 03:11.14 | NeoStrider | but later, try to switch to another target |
| 03:11.28 | fro1 | I did |
| 03:11.30 | NeoStrider | and try building a simple hildon app on both, to test it |
| 03:11.40 | fro1 | argh |
| 03:11.59 | fro1 | NO I'LL HAVE TO REBUILD THE MAEMO BROWSER FROM SCRATCH!!! |
| 03:11.59 | NeoStrider | you dont like hildon? |
| 03:12.05 | NeoStrider | =-O |
| 03:12.23 | fro1 | took a whole night last time |
| 03:12.27 | NeoStrider | WTF?! |
| 03:12.32 | fro1 | heh |
| 03:12.51 | fro1 | unless the bora packages are still good here |
| 03:13.55 | NeoStrider | ("why SVN suck just like CVS...that I will never know...") |
| 03:14.08 | fro1 | mm, something's wrong |
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| 03:14.22 | fro1 | my $HOME didn't look that way before |
| 03:15.35 | NeoStrider | $home inside SBOX, you mean? |
| 03:15.40 | fro1 | yes |
| 03:16.26 | fro1 | [sbox-SDK_ALPHA_ARMEL: ~] > mount |
| 03:16.26 | fro1 | bash: mount: command not found |
| 03:16.32 | fro1 | for the love of god |
| 03:16.43 | NeoStrider | [sbox-SDK_ARMEL: ~/angstron] > mount |
| 03:16.43 | NeoStrider | bash: mount: command not found |
| 03:16.49 | NeoStrider | nothing wrong here |
| 03:17.00 | NeoStrider | mine gregalle is fully functional |
| 03:18.04 | NeoStrider | gosh...Im starting to hate SVN!!!! grrrr |
| 03:18.22 | NeoStrider | I want to update my project on the garage...and it refuses to work!!! |
| 03:18.26 | fro1 | tried to move or rename a file and now it bitches ? |
| 03:18.34 | NeoStrider | yeh |
| 03:18.35 | NeoStrider | yeah |
| 03:18.40 | fro1 | heh, welcome to the group |
| 03:18.43 | NeoStrider | actually..I overwrote lots of files |
| 03:18.58 | fro1 | never ever touch a file without using the svn command on each one |
| 03:19.30 | NeoStrider | I feel like stupid... |
| 03:19.49 | fro1 | god hates me |
| 03:20.01 | NeoStrider | listening to Ringo Starr isnt really helping.. |
| 03:20.13 | fro1 | for some unexplicable reason |
| 03:20.33 | fro1 | my devkit-doctools is broken on arm, but works on X86 |
| 03:20.42 | fro1 | which means I'm missing a lot of packages |
| 03:20.45 | NeoStrider | it happens |
| 03:20.57 | NeoStrider | my devkit-mono is behaving very oddly |
| 03:20.57 | fro1 | but I've got only 40 minutes left!!!!! |
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| 03:21.05 | fro1 | god DAMN |
| 03:21.33 | NeoStrider | man...I gotta go |
| 03:21.39 | NeoStrider | good luck for you |
| 03:21.45 | NeoStrider | and thanks for your time |
| 03:21.48 | fro1 | me too, another night wasted |
| 03:22.16 | NeoStrider | bye fellows |
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| 03:51.22 | MobileSim | Is it possible to get 'net access through the USB cable and a Linux server/desktop? |
| 03:51.36 | MobileSim | With a 770, that is. |
| 03:56.36 | MobileSim | If it seems like a strange question, I can only say that I've done it with a Palm before, and I'm not just pulling this completely out of my ass. |
| 03:58.20 | `0660 | you're not alone with that |
| 03:58.46 | fro1 | there is an option for usb networking |
| 03:58.57 | fro1 | but I never used it |
| 03:59.03 | fro1 | and unfortunately it's 6am |
| 03:59.21 | fro1 | which means my connection goes off in one minute |
| 03:59.25 | `0660 | am not sure though if it's easily doable or not |
| 03:59.26 | fro1 | bye! |
| 03:59.33 | fro1 | it's on the wiki, afaik |
| 03:59.49 | `0660 | bye! |
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| 04:26.49 | procto | has anyone been able to get mplayer to play a file shared by a upnp server? |
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| 06:47.43 | guardian | good morning #maemo |
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| 06:51.59 | timeless | sure |
| 06:52.14 | guardian | is garage down ? |
| 06:52.19 | guardian | or is it my connection :/ |
| 06:52.35 | timeless | not just you |
| 06:52.43 | timeless | do you really need garage? |
| 06:52.43 | guardian | morning timeless |
| 06:52.54 | timeless | you can use bugs.maemo.org :) |
| 06:53.09 | guardian | :) |
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| 06:53.16 | guardian | i wanted to give maemo cjk a try |
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| 06:54.13 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:54.13 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:55.18 | timeless | if you want, i can package that somewhere |
| 06:55.57 | timeless | Filesystem size used avail capacity Mounted on |
| 06:55.57 | timeless | root_pool/home/svn/world-all/garage |
| 06:55.58 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:56.02 | timeless | it's not very tiny |
| 06:56.03 | guardian | i appreciate the offer, i guess i can wait and switch to another task |
| 06:56.06 | guardian | in the mean time |
| 06:56.08 | guardian | meantime |
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| 07:33.11 | dubdibdub | hello there, somebody awake?? |
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| 07:36.52 | timeless | garage was down earlier |
| 07:36.59 | timeless | i haven't bothered bugging ferenc about it |
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| 07:41.17 | timeless | interesting |
| 07:41.26 | timeless | dh grows its storage weekly by at least 1g |
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| 07:49.38 | pupnik | where has the quota command gone, or am i halluciniremembering? |
| 07:49.50 | timeless | in what world? |
| 07:50.09 | timeless | [timeless@viper ~]$ quota --help |
| 07:50.09 | timeless | quota: invalid option -- - |
| 07:50.20 | timeless | timeless@swift:~% quota --help |
| 07:50.20 | timeless | quota: illegal option -- help |
| 07:50.21 | timeless | ufs usage: quota [-v] [username] |
| 07:53.30 | pupnik | ok it's just not installed by default on Sidux (desktop os) |
| 07:55.38 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 07:55.58 | pupnik | mooin |
| 07:57.59 | timeless | os or distro? |
| 07:58.08 | timeless | swift runs open solaris community edition or something |
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| 07:58.12 | pupnik | distro... sorry for mentioning it |
| 07:58.41 | timeless | timeless@nexenta:~$ quota --help |
| 07:58.41 | timeless | quota: illegal option -- help |
| 07:58.48 | timeless | nexenta is well, nexenta |
| 07:58.49 | pupnik | i used to use it to limit memory usage by firefox and X server |
| 07:59.11 | timeless | you mean you don't like firefox using 1.9gb of vm? |
| 07:59.25 | timeless | my ff's like using 4gb of vm :) |
| 07:59.28 | pupnik | heh apropos |
| 07:59.40 | keesj | but quota is for file systems not? |
| 07:59.52 | timeless | -rw-------+ 1 timeless other 3.8G Feb 13 14:44 /var/crash/cores/firefox-bin.19218.global.100.1171360448.swift |
| 07:59.58 | timeless | normally ulimit is for memory |
| 08:00.12 | pupnik | gaah yes |
| 08:00.14 | timeless | and firefox until recently hasn't been configured to use an aggressive disk cache |
| 08:00.21 | timeless | that's going to change a bit |
| 08:00.28 | timeless | iirc the default cache size is 50mb (disk) |
| 08:00.33 | timeless | and it's going to be at least 100mb |
| 08:01.30 | timeless | because it turns out that's actually a win |
| 08:02.01 | timeless | Filesystem size used avail capacity Mounted on |
| 08:02.01 | timeless | root_pool/home/timeless |
| 08:02.01 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:02.02 | timeless | and disk space is cheap :) |
| 08:02.02 | timeless | (which is kinda why i don't mind keeping 4 3.8gb cores from firefox ...) |
| 08:02.04 | timeless | does rsync not default to using useful compression? |
| 08:02.27 | timeless | and if i don't use useful compression will it take forever for me to transfer 8gb of gar(b)age ? |
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| 08:04.24 | pupnik | depends on many factors |
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| 08:11.16 | pupnik | unique311: morning |
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| 08:18.00 | timeless | hrm, only e^ipi let me ask his time :( |
| 08:19.49 | timeless | ok, garage is finally being pushed |
| 08:19.55 | timeless | this should be fun |
| 08:21.15 | timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage-all/source/ |
| 08:21.24 | timeless | in case someone wants some piece of garage svn |
| 08:21.47 | inz | 404 |
| 08:21.47 | timeless | there's 8gb of content being sent from swift to sanjay over an ssh tunnel or two and probably a dsl link |
| 08:21.54 | timeless | inz: eh? |
| 08:22.15 | pupnik | garage works reel guud for me timeless, thanks for the work |
| 08:22.17 | timeless | wfm from boffo<webwizardry.net> |
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| 08:22.34 | pupnik | oh whoever does it |
| 08:22.50 | timeless | inz: you're really getting a 404? |
| 08:22.54 | inz | timeless, yes |
| 08:23.02 | bilboed | is maemo garage down ? |
| 08:23.12 | timeless | bilboed: it was earlier |
| 08:23.21 | inz | still seems to be |
| 08:23.41 | bilboed | where can I grab the gecko browser then ? :) |
| 08:24.03 | timeless | hold on |
| 08:24.17 | timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage-all/source/browser/www/index.html will be a url for it |
| 08:24.23 | timeless | but it hasn't synced that yet |
| 08:24.41 | bilboed | ok |
| 08:24.58 | inz | bilboed, it's in extras |
| 08:25.31 | timeless | inz: does http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage-all/source/browser/www/ give you a 404 too? |
| 08:25.56 | inz | timeless, nope |
| 08:26.05 | timeless | strange |
| 08:26.29 | inz | timeless, nm. it was vte |
| 08:26.38 | timeless | vte ?? |
| 08:26.56 | inz | timeless, or the regexes gnome-terminal passes to vte |
| 08:27.15 | inz | timeless, I ctrl-clicked the link, just noticed it dropped the last slash from the url |
| 08:27.21 | timeless | ah |
| 08:27.26 | inz | timeless, without the last slash, it doesn't work |
| 08:27.29 | timeless | yeah, i need to work on the rewrite urls |
| 08:27.37 | timeless | the code has some not so perfect heuristics |
| 08:28.15 | timeless | hrm |
| 08:28.16 | timeless | oh fsck |
| 08:28.19 | timeless | did i mess up? |
| 08:28.22 | timeless | that'd suck |
| 08:28.49 | timeless | hrm, no i don't think i did |
| 08:32.22 | timeless | ok, www/ is being filled now |
| 08:32.50 | timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage-all/source/browser/www/index.html |
| 08:32.53 | timeless | should work |
| 08:32.53 | bilboed | hmm... all maemo sites seem to be sluggish to be, can't even get to http://maemo.org/browser |
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| 08:33.11 | timeless | bilboed:you should be able to use the url i just pasted instead |
| 08:33.19 | bilboed | k |
| 08:33.33 | timeless | it's not guaranteed to be current, otoh the person most likely to change the content there is me |
| 08:34.28 | timeless | sorry about the url length, it's a hazard of automatic things, but that's what tinyurl is for :) |
| 08:34.51 | timeless | anyway, now you guys can see what swift looks like, at least partly |
| 08:35.11 | sciboy | Hmmm, if I wanted to render svg files to png is there any applications/libraries that come with 2007 that could handle that? |
| 08:35.14 | timeless | after i've pushed garage, i'll push at least one sdk source critter |
| 08:35.38 | timeless | the image viewer for 2007 theoretically has poor support for svg |
| 08:35.43 | timeless | so you can use the lib it uses |
| 08:36.59 | sciboy | Is there librsvg? |
| 08:37.16 | timeless | /gdk-osso-svg-loade |
| 08:37.19 | timeless | in some versions of things |
| 08:37.26 | timeless | s/e$/er |
| 08:37.41 | timeless | /gdk-osso-svg-loader-0.21 in 2007 |
| 08:37.46 | timeless | .4 anyway |
| 08:37.46 | _Monkey | 0.4 |
| 08:38.45 | timeless | very strange |
| 08:38.53 | timeless | osso-imageviewer doesn't claim to have any interesting dependencies |
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| 08:40.24 | timeless | looks like it just uses gdk_pixbuf_loader_new mostly |
| 08:40.42 | sciboy | Is there an answer to my last question? |
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| 08:40.55 | timeless | no sign of a libsvg if that's a package |
| 08:41.04 | sciboy | librsvg* |
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| 08:41.13 | sciboy | Don't forget the r |
| 08:41.18 | timeless | i only have a source index, not a binary index, so it's not practical for me to tell you if the file exists |
| 08:41.32 | timeless | i did a search for svg.*debian |
| 08:41.47 | timeless | the only files matching were gdk-osso-svg-loader ... |
| 08:43.59 | timeless | some of the features on sanjay are broken |
| 08:44.47 | timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/tt/find?string=XML.*%2Ft%2F&tree=tt&hint=8 |
| 08:44.52 | timeless | for an example of how searching works |
| 08:45.13 | timeless | the hint=8 shouldn't be needed, but something's broken w/ the hinting code |
| 08:45.41 | timeless | it's probably fixed on swift, i'll see about doing a diff at some point since sanjay now has some new code i need to import |
| 08:46.50 | florian | good morning |
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| 08:47.17 | timeless | bilboed/inz/whichever, did the browser page work well enough to get you your content? |
| 08:48.47 | bilboed | yep |
| 08:49.10 | timeless | :) |
| 08:49.31 | timeless | i figure by next wednesday this rsync will be done :) |
| 08:49.53 | timeless | to-check=1379515/1471737 |
| 08:50.20 | timeless | so it has about 1.5million files to send and it's sent maybe 7%? |
| 08:51.21 | timeless | anyway, feel free to browser around mxr-test, http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage-all/source/browser/www/pics/ is vaguely amusing |
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| 08:52.13 | timeless | (although, i think i've fixed the biggest bug on that page internally *sigh*) |
| 08:52.40 | pupnik | heh |
| 08:52.57 | timeless | it's pretty bad, i'm running about 5 copies of this software |
| 08:53.07 | timeless | plus there are 2 other copies that get occasional syncs |
| 08:53.18 | timeless | and i do dev work on almost all of them |
| 08:53.46 | timeless | each install indexes different content, so i basically fix based on which content i need |
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| 08:54.00 | inz | *grumble* why does date -d support "last friday", but not "last 12:34:56" |
| 08:54.14 | timeless | what in the world would tha tmean? |
| 08:54.37 | inz | The 12:34:56 that was within the last 24 hours |
| 08:59.33 | inz | I guess I need to compare %s's and if in the future, use yesterday |
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| 09:02.21 | sbaturzioAtWork | Aloha! |
| 09:11.40 | pupnik | is openssh a waste of space compared to dropbear? |
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| 09:17.17 | dubdibdub | HELP WITH SUSPEND..: does anybody know why echo mem > /sys/power/state only works one time?? after reanimating by pressing the power-btn a second echo mem....... does not turn off the screen..!! |
| 09:19.18 | pupnik | is there a different string you can echo to sys/power/state to re-set it? |
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| 09:23.11 | AD-N770 | good morning |
| 09:23.33 | pupnik | "Super Mario War"? |
| 09:23.34 | _Monkey | somebody said "Super Mario War" was http://pupnik.de/smw-data-min_1.7-8_all.deb and http://pupnik.de/smw-bin_1.7-8_armel.deb |
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| 09:35.55 | konttori | Have all of you guys had a look at the marcelos blog entry? |
| 09:35.56 | konttori | http://www.marceloeduardo.com/blog/mobile-applications/canola-development-update-or-we-are-not-dead |
| 09:36.00 | konttori | Looks terrific |
| 09:37.37 | gpd | does anyone have a gnumeric .deb for N800 - I can't find one |
| 09:40.23 | pupnik | aha bryan.net is the guy who never updated xournal |
| 09:40.32 | pupnik | gnumeric deb only for it2005 afaict |
| 09:40.55 | pupnik | http://bgran.net/etrunko/gnumeric/ |
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| 09:40.58 | pupnik | gnumeric? |
| 09:41.08 | lnx^ | hey |
| 09:41.12 | lnx^ | i have a n800 tablet |
| 09:41.22 | lnx^ | can i get a bluetooth headset working with skype? |
| 09:41.56 | lnx^ | it doesn't seem to redirect the sound to it automatically when paired at least |
| 09:42.03 | pupnik | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6079 lnx^ |
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| 09:42.45 | gpd | pupnik: yeah, I tried installing that one - but it has arm not armel and is old |
| 09:43.21 | konttori | I must say that canola 2 looks terrific indeed. And evas seems just perfect. |
| 09:43.47 | konttori | I'll definately move to using them in the future. I think Nokia should too (for many apps). |
| 09:45.17 | pupnik | http://www.maemo.org.br/platform/apt/pool/user/g/gnumeric/ gpd |
| 09:45.29 | lnx^ | pupnik: thanks, so if i install bluetooth alsa i should be able to use skype with it, in addition to just listening to music with it? |
| 09:45.58 | pupnik | _Monkey: gnumeric is the gnu spreadsheet http://www.maemo.org.br/platform/apt/pool/user/g/gnumeric/ |
| 09:45.59 | _Monkey | OK, pupnik. |
| 09:46.13 | pupnik | lnx^: haven't tried it |
| 09:49.23 | _guardian | please, how to make sure that the text i draw using pango will fit a bounding rectangle ? |
| 09:49.42 | lnx^ | do you happen to know if nokia might be adding native support for it anytime soon? would be nice to be able to use a wireless headset instead of the one with wire |
| 09:52.23 | dubdibdub | "sshfs"? |
| 09:52.46 | dubdibdub | how does that "something"? work?? |
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| 10:03.19 | gpd | pupnik: :( it seems that gnumeric has many dependencies and that the repository is mistral |
| 10:03.30 | gpd | oh well -- i see reports that it is really heavy anyway |
| 10:03.53 | gpd | seems a shame since things like tinysheet on PalmOS were handy |
| 10:04.14 | pupnik | if you add that maemo.org.br site to your repositories it should load dependencies automatically |
| 10:04.23 | pupnik | i don't see the exact line to add to sources.list though |
| 10:04.42 | gpd | pupnik: yeah - but i don't really want a mistral repo in my sources.list |
| 10:05.12 | pupnik | ask the author to do an update |
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| 10:05.32 | gpd | its a shame that the src debs are not published by default |
| 10:05.35 | pupnik | i don't have a good sources.list for 2006 handy |
| 10:06.11 | pupnik | do you have a fairly good one with yummy extras you could post to pastebin.ca or /msg me? |
| 10:06.29 | gpd | i only have 2007 sources :( |
| 10:06.47 | pupnik | n800? or 2007he? |
| 10:06.56 | gpd | n800 with latest firmware |
| 10:07.15 | pupnik | ok nm. yeah tell that guy to make a bora sdk and do a new build |
| 10:07.20 | pupnik | porters need feedback |
| 10:07.40 | pupnik | otherwise it feels like you make something, and nobody uses it or cares |
| 10:07.44 | pupnik | and then you drop maintenance |
| 10:07.55 | gpd | I should install my scratchbox again... |
| 10:08.50 | gpd | not sure who to email as it is INdT brazil with no emial on top page |
| 10:08.56 | gpd | http://www.maemo.org.br/platform/ |
| 10:09.36 | gpd | http://www.indt.org.br/contact/ |
| 10:11.55 | gpd | Ok. I sent a message :D |
| 10:14.26 | pupnik | synergy works great! |
| 10:14.48 | pupnik | google keesj+synergy |
| 10:15.00 | gpd | wow - just found an old irc log with pupnik <3 synergy! |
| 10:16.01 | pupnik | synergy? |
| 10:16.25 | gpd | seems to be gone: http://box.mmapps.net/~keesj/synergy/ |
| 10:17.09 | gpd | pupnik: don't suppose the mouse works? |
| 10:17.19 | pupnik | hmm :( |
| 10:19.12 | Veggen | mmh, maemo contributions *should* be more structured, yes. And source packages! We need thar. |
| 10:19.15 | pupnik | i know, we're not doing a good job |
| 10:19.15 | Veggen | that. |
| 10:21.06 | gpd | how is MUD doing these days? |
| 10:21.14 | pupnik | _Monkey: synergy is mouse and keyboard sharing between desktop and tablet http://pupnik.de/synergy-maemo_1.3.1-1_armel.deb |
| 10:21.15 | _Monkey | OK, pupnik. |
| 10:21.36 | gpd | synergy? |
| 10:21.36 | _Monkey | somebody said synergy was mouse and keyboard sharing between desktop and tablet http://pupnik.de/synergy-maemo_1.3.1-1_armel.deb |
| 10:26.33 | pupnik | i have to learn to use mud still |
| 10:28.46 | gpd | pupnik: I have synergys --daemon on my tablet with a config file - and synergyc tablet on my desktop -- |
| 10:29.02 | gpd | when the mouse goes offscreen to the right (per config_) should I be able to type on the tablet? |
| 10:29.30 | pupnik | i put the server on my main desktop and clients on laptop, tablet and 2nd pc |
| 10:29.44 | gpd | ah synergy connection refused... curious |
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| 10:30.35 | Jaffa | gpd: going slowly, keesj is still working on bits but I've not had much time recently at all |
| 10:31.09 | gpd | Jaffa: yeah - I know the feeling of too much work not enough play! |
| 10:31.17 | pupnik | Jaffa: is there a better place to download synergy? |
| 10:32.17 | gpd | Synergy 1.3.1: NOTE: CClientProxy1_0.cpp,206: client "Nokia-N800-26" has disconnected :( |
| 10:33.15 | pupnik | multiboot? |
| 10:33.39 | gpd | pupnik: ? |
| 10:34.11 | pupnik | i need to set up multiple OS's on the 770, for backups and testing |
| 10:35.25 | pupnik | do NOT enjoy going through new setup :| (xterm, ssh, becomeroot, installing tools, removing unneeded media and themes, setting up wlan etc etc etc etc) |
| 10:35.49 | gpd | yeah - that is another area that needs improvement |
| 10:36.49 | gpd | bah - synergy isn't working for me, needs more time than i have |
| 10:37.01 | gpd | pupnik: did you get the mouse owrking or was it just keyboard? |
| 10:37.09 | pupnik | both |
| 10:37.13 | gpd | since the N800 doesn't really have a 'mouse'... ? |
| 10:37.18 | pupnik | to see the mouse you need to enable the mouse cursor |
| 10:37.35 | gpd | is that scriptfoo magick? |
| 10:38.12 | pupnik | i don't remember how to do it. the tablet has an invisible mouse cursor bitmap and you have to relink or copy over that |
| 10:38.31 | gpd | bah - forgetaboutit... /me runs away |
| 10:38.38 | pupnik | this should probably be in a postinst script in the deb |
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| 11:02.29 | gpd | anyone got thoughts on the Nokia 6288? |
| 11:03.01 | jsmanrique | I have a 6280 |
| 11:03.17 | jsmanrique | I would prefer an e65 ;-) |
| 11:04.27 | gpd | I am looking at three.co.uk pay as you go and choices are limited: |
| 11:04.29 | gpd | http://www.three.co.uk/personal/price_plans_/pay_as_you_go_/pick_a_deal.omp |
| 11:04.56 | jsmanrique | it is not a bad phone |
| 11:05.15 | gpd | work ok with N800 DUN? |
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| 11:35.37 | pupnik | Arbeiten! <CRACK!> http://pupnik.de/arbeiten.gif Arbeiten! |
| 11:51.51 | jsmanrique | gpd: no idea, I don't have a n800 but a 770 |
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| 12:45.32 | inz | fsck, someone had hacked my gateway/server |
| 12:45.55 | cosmo | how did you notice? |
| 12:46.27 | inz | cosmo, couldn't log in as root anymore ;) |
| 12:47.26 | cosmo | you should use sudo anyway ;) |
| 12:47.57 | inz | cosmo, then I would not have noticed |
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| 13:21.25 | pupnik | In Maemo/ITOS can i resize a window to take up only a portion of the screen? |
| 13:21.41 | pupnik | for a simple xlib app |
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| 13:22.10 | pupnik | setting smaller width with geometry setting does not work. Kdrive seems to force the window width |
| 13:22.42 | pupnik | or Xomap, whatever the X server should be called |
| 13:23.23 | Okko | hi, anyone else noticed that when scrolling down in the moz browser the keyboard appears? |
| 13:23.35 | konttori | Has everybody read this article on Steve Jobs' button attitude? http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118532502435077009.html?mod=hpp_us_editors_picks |
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| 13:25.41 | konttori | Okko: Yeah, the current browser build is not very good one. Nice of nokia to publish alpha build though |
| 13:25.57 | konttori | I hope they'll release another alpha build soon |
| 13:26.13 | konttori | one that works better than this one. |
| 13:26.15 | Okko | konttori: yes, it was nice. Just wanted to make sure that it's not some rare bug/feature I've encoutered. :) |
| 13:26.48 | tigert | the funniest bug I found is when you edit a passwd field, from then on, all text typed in fields with the thumb keyboard, will be passwords (turns to asterisks :)) |
| 13:27.07 | tigert | will need to file that one |
| 13:30.52 | inz | pupnik, can you set window type hint? |
| 13:30.58 | pupnik | http://matchbox-project.org/sources/matchbox-keyboard/0.1/ << a vkbd - not compiling for me yet |
| 13:31.12 | pupnik | http://slappy.cs.uiuc.edu/fall01/team3/download.shtml << another vkbd - not compiling for me yet |
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| 13:32.03 | pupnik | inz, dunno. at this point i'd be happy to just resize the height (ITOS seems to accept this via the -geometry flag on xkbd) |
| 13:32.20 | pupnik | ... to get the vkbd out of the way (only obscuring 8-10 pixels at the bottom) |
| 13:33.28 | pupnik | http://handhelds.org/~mallum/xkbd/ << vkbd that compiles out of the box and runs on top of fullscreen windows |
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| 13:43.52 | procto | pupnik: is acmonitor supposed to modify the values available in the Display Options window? |
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| 13:45.04 | pupnik | no procto, that's not included |
| 13:45.15 | procto | oh, ok |
| 13:45.36 | procto | network keepalive should help with airdumping :> |
| 13:45.37 | pupnik | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5704&highlight=acmonitor |
| 13:45.52 | pupnik | there's how to increase screen blank timeouts |
| 13:46.31 | procto | pupnik: ah, cool, thanks bunches |
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| 13:55.44 | pupnik | is there a way to measure current battery consumption or OMAP system power drain? |
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| 13:56.42 | pupnik | hi unique311 |
| 13:58.38 | unique311 | hello |
| 13:58.38 | _Monkey | niihau, unique311 |
| 14:00.45 | pupnik | it looks like the 0.97 version of maryo is much less developed than the latest (gameplay, graphics) |
| 14:01.13 | bilboed | so am I right in believing that with the latest firmware, I can put 4gb/8gb sd cards in the n800 ? |
| 14:01.14 | unique311 | binary? |
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| 14:01.56 | unique311 | is it playable pupnik |
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| 14:02.48 | pupnik | i haven't touched it yet |
| 14:03.13 | whaq_ | bilboed: yes, check the forum also for a modified kernel that seems (so far) to fix the sd-corruption bug. |
| 14:03.16 | unique311 | if it compiles and is playable....developing graphics and gameplay can be dealt with by people who are interested in making some magic happen |
| 14:04.15 | unique311 | might end up messing with it today...gotta get scratchbox going. |
| 14:06.17 | timeless | kontorri: what's wrong w/ the browser? |
| 14:08.54 | pupnik | Haaahaha Bochs-Gp2x: "Win95 boots in about 6:30 minutes, which is not really bad" |
| 14:09.09 | unique311 | konttnope |
| 14:09.28 | unique311 | on the 770 how long? |
| 14:13.39 | pupnik | don't know |
| 14:13.57 | pupnik | it's a joke man, try windows on a 8 mhz pc-at |
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| 14:14.40 | unique311 | scratchbox only plays nice on ubuntu |
| 14:14.57 | timeless | it doesn't work on debian? |
| 14:15.04 | unique311 | k, debian it is.. |
| 14:15.18 | unique311 | how's wifi setup in debian... |
| 14:15.25 | unique311 | do i have to manually get that up.. |
| 14:15.39 | unique311 | having a horrible time with gutsy wifi setup |
| 14:16.17 | unique311 | and gutsy freezes to the point of having to reboot..not sure thats the type of environment i want to run scratchbox in |
| 14:17.01 | pupnik | http://sidux.com/ is my favorite deb distro |
| 14:17.36 | unique311 | your fav, might be someone's nightmare |
| 14:19.04 | pupnik | it's like ubuntu but without the fail :) |
| 14:19.17 | pupnik | or kubuntu rather |
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| 14:30.15 | tweg | hi, I'm porting an app to the N800, but can't get its icon to appear in the taskbar |
| 14:30.35 | tweg | (the icon shows up fine in the menu and in the package list) |
| 14:30.49 | tweg | What do I need to do to get it to show up? |
| 14:34.01 | tweg | (this is a Python app btw) |
| 14:34.04 | inz | tweg, your programs WMclass needs to match the Exec-line (after last slash) or you need to specify the WMclass in the .desktop file |
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| 14:34.55 | tweg | what do you mean by WMclass? |
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| 14:36.44 | inz | tweg, the WM_CLASS property |
| 14:37.10 | tweg | a gtk property? |
| 14:37.36 | inz | tweg, no, an X11/Xlib/whatever property |
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| 14:38.13 | tweg | I'm not sure what you mean exactly. Would it help to paste the relevant portions of my .desktop file |
| 14:38.14 | tweg | ? |
| 14:38.59 | inz | tweg, might, probably doesn't though |
| 14:40.01 | tweg | so is the taskbar icon specified by the .desktop file or set via gtk? |
| 14:40.36 | inz | it's specified by the .desktop file |
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| 14:41.13 | inz | tweg, the Exec-line of your .desktop might tell something |
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| 14:41.58 | tweg | relevant parts: |
| 14:42.21 | tweg | Exec=exaile |
| 14:42.29 | tweg | Icon=exaile |
| 14:42.40 | tweg | X-Icon-path=/usr/share/icons |
| 14:42.46 | tweg | X-Window-Icon=exaile |
| 14:42.52 | tweg | X-HildonDesk-ShowInToolbar=true |
| 14:43.01 | tweg | X-Osso-Type=application/x-executable |
| 14:43.15 | inz | I asked for the Exec-line... |
| 14:43.18 | inz | Oh, well. |
| 14:43.27 | tweg | I gave you the Exec line |
| 14:43.32 | inz | And much more ;) |
| 14:44.07 | inz | Well, that shouldn't be a prob, are you using Gtk? |
| 14:44.14 | tweg | pygtk |
| 14:45.28 | inz | And the exaile-binary isn't a script that just runs another program? |
| 14:45.41 | tweg | yes it is a script |
| 14:45.50 | tweg | shell script |
| 14:46.02 | inz | That's most likely your problem |
| 14:46.42 | inz | You should then add line: "StartupWMClass=<the_name_of_the_real_program>" |
| 14:46.53 | inz | to the .desktop |
| 14:47.10 | tweg | just the basename (i.e. no directory part)? |
| 14:47.18 | inz | yes |
| 14:47.25 | tweg | ta, I'll give it a try |
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| 14:50.37 | NeoStrider | hello folks |
| 14:52.55 | tweg | cheers inz, that did the trick. Thanks for your help. :-) |
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| 14:55.06 | NeoStrider | the garage is dead? |
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| 15:01.33 | tweg | another (possibly related) question |
| 15:01.55 | tweg | the title bar text appears as "exaile.py - Exaile Music Player" |
| 15:02.10 | tweg | even though I have set the title to "Exaile Music Player" |
| 15:02.34 | NeoStrider | exaile for maemo? |
| 15:02.36 | NeoStrider | cool! |
| 15:02.53 | tweg | How do I prevent the "exaile.py - " part showing up? |
| 15:03.35 | tweg | NeoStrider: yep, it's working, not all the features work properly at this stage tho |
| 15:03.45 | tweg | good enough for playing playlists tho |
| 15:03.57 | NeoStrider | works with 770? |
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| 15:04.26 | tweg | I don't think so; afaik the gstreamer sink interface has changed since then |
| 15:04.43 | NeoStrider | =-( |
| 15:04.54 | tweg | wouldn't be too hard to make it work with that |
| 15:04.54 | NeoStrider | all the cool stuff is for the N800 =-( |
| 15:05.12 | NeoStrider | I will make my game 770 exclusive! =-P |
| 15:05.17 | tweg | well if I had access to a 770 I would fix it for that |
| 15:05.41 | tweg | I can put it on my todo list if you are willing to alpha test it :-) |
| 15:05.49 | NeoStrider | count on me |
| 15:05.53 | unique311 | NeoStrider, super mario war by pupnik |
| 15:06.09 | pupnik | "super mario war"? |
| 15:06.09 | NeoStrider | show me that, unique311! |
| 15:06.09 | _Monkey | rumour has it "super mario war" is http://pupnik.de/smw-data-min_1.7-8_all.deb and http://pupnik.de/smw-bin_1.7-8_armel.deb |
| 15:06.21 | unique311 | pretty cool.. |
| 15:06.47 | unique311 | runs on my N800 |
| 15:06.51 | pupnik | i wrote the authors a nice compliment on their portability |
| 15:06.53 | unique311 | 770 not sure it will run |
| 15:07.00 | NeoStrider | i will test it |
| 15:07.14 | unique311 | btton map work...fullscreen |
| 15:07.15 | unique311 | sound |
| 15:07.23 | pupnik | NeoStrider: if you make improvements please let me know |
| 15:07.38 | NeoStrider | where is the source? =-) |
| 15:07.49 | unique311 | do smc |
| 15:08.03 | tweg | is python-sqlite available for 770? |
| 15:08.08 | unique311 | super mario chronicles. |
| 15:08.26 | NeoStrider | pupnik, it needs python? |
| 15:08.40 | pupnik | svn://svn.72dpiarmy.com/smw |
| 15:09.23 | pupnik | i don't know, i just ran ./configure && make |
| 15:09.35 | unique311 | no python |
| 15:09.41 | NeoStrider | cool |
| 15:09.46 | NeoStrider | gtg |
| 15:09.47 | NeoStrider | lunch |
| 15:09.53 | NeoStrider | but I will test it |
| 15:09.55 | NeoStrider | BRB |
| 15:10.03 | NeoStrider | and try to hack it =-) |
| 15:10.18 | unique311 | hercules, hercules |
| 15:10.47 | unique311 | best way to discard cd's that you think harbour valuable info... |
| 15:10.52 | unique311 | microwave... |
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| 15:24.23 | NeoStrider | copying the game to the 770... |
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| 15:25.20 | NeoStrider | pupnik, how do you do a "data" package? |
| 15:25.33 | NeoStrider | ooops...incompatible package |
| 15:25.50 | pupnik | what version it2006? |
| 15:26.09 | NeoStrider | gregalle |
| 15:26.43 | unique311 | i had to dpkg -i to get it installed |
| 15:26.46 | NeoStrider | i will build it for it2006 |
| 15:26.53 | NeoStrider | i will try this ,then |
| 15:26.57 | pupnik | i built under gregale :/ |
| 15:28.03 | NeoStrider | are you root on the device? |
| 15:28.15 | pupnik | no |
| 15:29.24 | NeoStrider | whats the root password for gregalle? |
| 15:29.32 | pupnik | rootme? |
| 15:30.32 | NeoStrider | didnt worked |
| 15:31.50 | NeoStrider | how did you installled it? |
| 15:32.44 | unique311 | sudo gainroot |
| 15:32.54 | unique311 | and the dpkg -i .deb |
| 15:33.03 | unique311 | and the dpkg -i *.deb |
| 15:36.28 | pupnik | i'd love to see a sdl remake of 'Joust' |
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| 15:43.24 | NeoStrider | pupnik, it gave me a funny message |
| 15:43.44 | NeoStrider | cal_read_block(r&d_mode): size zero, block not found? |
| 15:43.54 | NeoStrider | Enable RD mode if you want to break your device |
| 15:43.58 | NeoStrider | whats that? |
| 15:44.12 | unique311 | red pill mode |
| 15:44.27 | unique311 | show's packages that cannot be seen in blue pill mode |
| 15:44.33 | NeoStrider | wow...I only knew it from graphical instructions |
| 15:44.56 | NeoStrider | ok...but how to proceed now? |
| 15:44.56 | unique311 | application manager |
| 15:44.57 | _Monkey | somebody said application manager was a lot safer than alternatives |
| 15:45.04 | NeoStrider | im still a $ |
| 15:45.08 | NeoStrider | how to become #? |
| 15:45.18 | unique311 | i will show you.. |
| 15:45.30 | unique311 | you need to install becomeroot |
| 15:45.43 | pupnik | this game is hilarious |
| 15:45.45 | unique311 | application manager |
| 15:45.46 | _Monkey | i guess application manager is a lot safer than alternatives |
| 15:45.51 | NeoStrider | will need wifi? |
| 15:45.58 | NeoStrider | I dont have connectivity right now |
| 15:46.00 | unique311 | yes |
| 15:46.02 | unique311 | hmmm |
| 15:46.28 | NeoStrider | why you cant install it the common way? |
| 15:46.31 | NeoStrider | double tapping it? |
| 15:46.48 | NeoStrider | (how to disable the red pill mode?) |
| 15:46.50 | unique311 | hey maybe you can extract the contents of the deb file |
| 15:47.01 | unique311 | and manually place them in location |
| 15:47.24 | unique311 | not sure red pill mode is enable for you.. |
| 15:47.25 | NeoStrider | or just run it =-) |
| 15:47.37 | NeoStrider | how to extract it? |
| 15:47.57 | unique311 | in ubuntu...right click on the package and extract all |
| 15:48.05 | unique311 | in windows you need 7zip. |
| 15:48.11 | unique311 | maybe unrar will work.. |
| 15:48.16 | NeoStrider | ok...so you mean using a desktop |
| 15:48.21 | NeoStrider | ok...im on ubuntu right now |
| 15:48.22 | unique311 | yes |
| 15:48.32 | unique311 | right click on the deb pack |
| 15:48.36 | unique311 | and extract all |
| 15:49.01 | NeoStrider | how the game expect to see the data? where? |
| 15:49.24 | unique311 | extract data |
| 15:49.56 | unique311 | NeoStrider, you are trying to install smw, correct? |
| 15:50.00 | NeoStrider | yeah |
| 15:50.04 | NeoStrider | got all the data dirs |
| 15:50.17 | unique311 | now send them to you device |
| 15:50.34 | unique311 | r |
| 15:51.23 | NeoStrider | yeah..doing it right now |
| 15:51.27 | NeoStrider | I've got everything |
| 15:52.21 | unique311 | might need to chmod +x smw when you transfer it to the device |
| 15:53.14 | pupnik | data goes in /usr/share/smw |
| 15:54.12 | NeoStrider | can i just put everything on a directory and run from there? |
| 15:54.23 | NeoStrider | or the game looks for everything on /usr/share/smw? |
| 15:55.08 | unique311 | not sure.. |
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| 15:55.21 | unique311 | should be able to.. |
| 15:55.24 | NeoStrider | gonna try |
| 15:56.10 | unique311 | but then you have to run the game from command line like so. usr/share/smw/smw |
| 15:56.39 | NeoStrider | how did you built the package? |
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| 15:57.01 | pupnik | dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b |
| 15:57.29 | NeoStrider | but then, how did it dont install under gregalle? |
| 15:57.56 | NeoStrider | you used the stock autoconf files or created new ones for the maemo port? |
| 15:58.17 | pupnik | all stock. i just made some changes now |
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| 15:58.34 | NeoStrider | it must be it |
| 15:58.52 | NeoStrider | why dont you try using maemowizard , to make a quick package? |
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| 16:00.17 | pupnik | because i would have to type in every single object file into maemowizard |
| 16:00.55 | NeoStrider | just do a "ls", copy and paste it ;-) |
| 16:00.58 | NeoStrider | well |
| 16:01.05 | NeoStrider | "ERROR: Empty map directory!" |
| 16:01.33 | pupnik | thank you for the feedback though NeoStrider |
| 16:01.41 | pupnik | i will set up the menu |
| 16:01.52 | pupnik | section has to be user/other and not 'games' i think |
| 16:01.55 | NeoStrider | i will try to build a package with the maemowizard |
| 16:01.56 | unique311 | i got that |
| 16:02.01 | pupnik | good! |
| 16:02.04 | unique311 | the empty map directory |
| 16:02.16 | unique311 | did you do the same for the data.deb pack |
| 16:02.18 | NeoStrider | i gtg now |
| 16:02.20 | NeoStrider | work |
| 16:02.22 | unique311 | ok |
| 16:02.36 | NeoStrider | yeah...all under ~/MyDocs/.documents/ |
| 16:02.41 | unique311 | no |
| 16:02.42 | NeoStrider | thanks guys |
| 16:02.45 | NeoStrider | see you all later |
| 16:02.49 | unique311 | belong in usr/share |
| 16:02.58 | NeoStrider | yeah...but I cant write on there |
| 16:03.08 | unique311 | true |
| 16:03.10 | unique311 | k. |
| 16:03.13 | NeoStrider | bye |
| 16:03.31 | unique311 | so i'm the only one with a working version of smw |
| 16:03.36 | unique311 | not fun... |
| 16:03.49 | unique311 | maybe i should put out a video...get interest going. |
| 16:09.59 | pupnik | testing with app manager on a clean 2.2 / it2006 install |
| 16:10.52 | pupnik | "incompatible package" :) |
| 16:11.20 | pupnik | ahh i need to update the data files too duh |
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| 16:15.34 | pupnik | who remembers how to get a deb package to prompt where to install data files... |
| 16:17.22 | Mikho | I'd like to know how to get my program know where the deb package threw the data files in the end |
| 16:17.27 | pupnik | haahaha they made the bin depend on the data and the data depend on the bin |
| 16:17.47 | Mikho | I don't like hardcoding strings like /usr/share/myapp/ |
| 16:18.20 | pupnik | yes Mikho the /usr/share things can sometimes go to mmc |
| 16:18.36 | Mikho | mmc? |
| 16:18.49 | pupnik | /media/mmc1 or mmc2 |
| 16:18.56 | pupnik | the storage cards |
| 16:19.06 | pupnik | looki in debian/install to see where the package puts files |
| 16:19.34 | Mikho | yes, but I'd like to know what kind of code should I write in the .cpp files |
| 16:19.51 | pupnik | ohh |
| 16:20.39 | pupnik | you can define target directories with autotools / automake/autoconf |
| 16:20.51 | pupnik | these get passed to your program in the make step |
| 16:21.01 | pupnik | but you want to do this at runtime... yesss |
| 16:21.07 | pupnik | me too :) |
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| 16:30.09 | Presence_ | hey guys, who has gotten kicked in the nuts with the nokia/buy.com crap? |
| 16:30.25 | jjazz | Presence_: what are you referring to? |
| 16:31.12 | Presence_ | the 770 failes (within 30 days of receipt...12 days in my case). Buy.com wont let you return it, nokia says buy.com isnt an authorized reseller and wont honor the warranty |
| 16:31.43 | Mikho | yes, it seems there's no easy way to figure out run-time where the data files went |
| 16:32.03 | Mikho | I wonder how the real programmers do it |
| 16:32.10 | jjazz | Presence_: Ah. That is a problem. |
| 16:32.55 | Presence_ | jjaz: yeah, its pissing me off |
| 16:33.11 | jjazz | Presence_: There might be consumer protection laws that apply. |
| 16:35.03 | pupnik | Presence_: the laws vary from state to state |
| 16:35.16 | jjazz | I'd like to restart the x server on my N800. Anybody know what process I need to kill? |
| 16:35.28 | pupnik | i think a DOA case is 10 days, after 10 days it's a RMA, which goes back to mfgr |
| 16:36.36 | Presence_ | yeah, which puts me in a shitty spot |
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| 16:46.00 | zuh | jjazz: Xomap would be the server, but killing that will give you reboot anyway so might as well just reboot directly... |
| 16:46.17 | pupnik | when you flash a new ITOS, how many applications can you install from Application manager? |
| 16:46.21 | pupnik | any guesses? |
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| 16:47.01 | pupnik | The answer is 3. You can install 3 applications with the default repositories. maemoblocks, maemopad and mediastreamer. |
| 16:47.27 | pupnik | lol |
| 16:47.29 | Shurik | am I missing a trivia night at #maemo? |
| 16:47.32 | jjazz | zuh: Yeah, I discovered that one the hard way. :P Interestingly, X was not responding well to taps while I had vnc serve running. Then the server was likewise not responding. But it answered ssh, so the device wasn't down. |
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| 16:49.44 | pupnik | can you imagine a non-techy person seeing this? :) they'd go "there's no software for it!" and give it to their nephew for christmas. :P |
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| 16:50.30 | Mikho | how did you find out how many programs can you install? |
| 16:50.48 | pupnik | i clicked on update in the application manager |
| 16:50.56 | pupnik | then i clicked on 'install new applications' |
| 16:51.08 | pupnik | and that was the list :) |
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| 16:51.58 | Mikho | I wonder if you can install even those, since the mistral repos seem to be broken |
| 16:52.41 | Mikho | the catalogue files apt-get and others get seem to be alright, but the actual .deb packages aren't where they're supposed to be |
| 16:53.53 | pupnik | :) |
| 16:54.21 | Mikho | and, application manager just says "unable to install" |
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| 16:57.40 | _guardian | i know nothing about cairo |
| 16:57.46 | pupnik | oh well, it's all free! |
| 16:57.47 | _guardian | is it integrated with gtk now ? |
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| 16:59.35 | dragorn | in the real world, yes |
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| 16:59.49 | dragorn | in maemo, looks like they're still backleveled on gtk to the point where it is not |
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| 16:59.59 | dragorn | (or so a quick ls of usr/lib/ would seem to imply) |
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| 17:00.29 | _guardian | i have /usr/lib/libcairo.so on the device though |
| 17:00.32 | _guardian | n800 |
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| 17:01.08 | dragorn | I don't, on a clean flash, so i suspect that came from a package you installed? |
| 17:01.44 | _guardian | ah maybe |
| 17:01.49 | _guardian | did not think about that |
| 17:02.06 | dragorn | it's possible I missed it, too |
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| 17:37.26 | gpd | as a bluetooth->phone newbie - should I expect to be able to connect N800 to phone and transfer files? |
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| 17:40.49 | milhouse | gpd - yes |
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| 17:41.18 | milhouse | gpd - via file manager on the n800, you should be able to transfer files over BT as standard |
| 17:41.38 | Shurik_ | but it is painfully slow |
| 17:41.58 | gpd | milhouse: fab - thanks |
| 17:42.14 | gpd | I was looking at dataplans for UK but all seem crazy |
| 17:42.33 | milhouse | i guess that depends on the phone but yes, not lightning fast - BT 2.0 phones will only manage 250K bytes/second at most (BT 1.0 a lot less) |
| 17:42.50 | milhouse | T-Mobile and 3 have the best |
| 17:43.19 | milhouse | 3 certainly have the best offering as long as you don't mind breaking their Ts&Cs |
| 17:43.28 | gpd | well i ended up with vodafone and a payg phone - so i'm probably screwed |
| 17:43.43 | milhouse | £5/month, 1GB capped - no modem use allowed (but they don't seem to care) |
| 17:43.45 | gpd | but i decided it was going to be so expensive i didn't care |
| 17:44.04 | gpd | that is on a 20/mo plan or something though :( |
| 17:44.28 | milhouse | yeah, it's in addition to a voice plan - I don't think anyone offers data only |
| 17:45.05 | milhouse | what are your PAYG costs on voda? |
| 17:45.10 | gpd | I just want to be able to grab a few megabytes from my N800 through my phone occasionally |
| 17:45.24 | gpd | 30p/min for first 3min and then 10p/min |
| 17:45.54 | milhouse | suppose it will work out cheaper as long as you keep your usage quite low |
| 17:46.07 | gpd | my uszge iz zero |
| 17:46.15 | milhouse | very cheap then :) |
| 17:46.19 | gpd | aye :D |
| 17:46.40 | milhouse | but you say per minute.... that's odd |
| 17:46.56 | gpd | that was voice |
| 17:46.58 | milhouse | how does that work for data - i guess an always on connection (like GPRS) is out of the question |
| 17:47.04 | gpd | no sign of data on PAYG :( |
| 17:47.05 | milhouse | what about data costs? |
| 17:47.08 | milhouse | ah, ok |
| 17:47.15 | gpd | I just gave up on it |
| 17:47.34 | gpd | i can hop onto a wifi access point if i am desperate: cloud etc |
| 17:49.12 | pupnik | i can't believe they broke the mistral repos at maemo.org |
| 17:49.15 | pupnik | what's the news on that? |
| 17:49.47 | pupnik | no more osso-xterm for me? |
| 17:49.56 | milhouse | these guys need to get syndicated on planet... http://www.intomobile.com/2007/07/26/mauku-jaiku-client-for-nokia-770n800-internet-tablets.html |
| 17:50.08 | milhouse | either maemoapps or the app author |
| 17:52.01 | pupnik | oh just s/mistral/gregale i get it |
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| 17:53.24 | bergie | milhouse: I can add that... does he have maemo-only feed? |
| 17:53.41 | milhouse | i've no idea, sorry - just found it on the intomobile site |
| 17:54.21 | milhouse | i'm not sure if the authors site is a blog or not - can't see any obvious tags |
| 17:54.38 | bergie | this *could* be good enough: http://www.intomobile.com/category/manufacturers/nokia |
| 17:54.41 | milhouse | but maemoapps seems to be tagged. |
| 17:54.48 | milhouse | maemoapps.com |
| 17:56.07 | bergie | ok... maybe I better run this through Ferenc :-) |
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| 17:57.28 | bergie | oh well, just adding... |
| 17:57.34 | justindnb | Hello! I'm receiving the following error (http://paste-it.net/2985) when attempting to do a fakeroot apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 17:58.05 | milhouse | intomobile.com is a "professional" blogging site, i don't know if there are any issues there. |
| 17:59.04 | bergie | that maemoapps feedburner feed seems to have issues |
| 18:00.14 | bergie | ah, got it working... feedburner is slow so the aggregator was timing out the fetch |
| 18:00.24 | milhouse | cool :) |
| 18:01.07 | milhouse | i can see them on planet maemo now - nice! :) |
| 18:01.25 | bergie | his HTML is totally broken though |
| 18:01.54 | milhouse | yeah, the planet entries seem to have odd links at the bottom |
| 18:02.16 | milhouse | and the formatting is a little odd |
| 18:02.29 | bergie | that is quite normal feedburner I think, but formatting sucks... lots of <p>s |
| 18:02.55 | bergie | end of sentence</p> <p></p> <p>start of sentence etc |
| 18:03.15 | milhouse | oh well... as long as it doesn't break the planet :) |
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| 18:04.01 | bergie | milhouse: yep. I'll think of the Tidy stuff, though. I'm doing some RSS import things anyway |
| 18:05.01 | milhouse | we might have a problem though |
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| 18:05.21 | milhouse | I first viewed in Firefox - no problem (but then I don't have the javascript console enabled) |
| 18:05.39 | milhouse | then i tested in ie 7.0 and planet maemo is not throwing up an error dialog |
| 18:05.49 | milhouse | not sure if it's related to the new feed or not |
| 18:05.59 | bergie | probably is |
| 18:06.00 | bergie | hmm |
| 18:06.03 | milhouse | line 137, char 14 - expected identifier |
| 18:08.27 | bergie | now that I look at it in detail the HTML is really odd |
| 18:09.05 | milhouse | it's worth running code through firefox with the javascript console and strict javascript enabled... there are js errors in maemo such as this: |
| 18:09.06 | bergie | too bad, his content looks quite useful |
| 18:09.11 | milhouse | if (result = !!(iterator || Prototype.K)(value, index)) |
| 18:10.07 | milhouse | unless the code is really assigning a value to result... |
| 18:11.15 | milhouse | prototype.js is full of these errors... when i last used that library we fixed them all |
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| 18:12.46 | bergie | we're switching to jQuery everywhere, actually |
| 18:13.20 | milhouse | k... but as a rule the firefox js error console is incredibly informative :) |
| 18:13.25 | cbx33 | is canola worth installing| |
| 18:13.26 | cbx33 | ? |
| 18:13.37 | milhouse | it was always my goal to have zero warnings :) |
| 18:13.48 | milhouse | (and zero errors, too!) |
| 18:14.23 | cbx33 | it looks interesting |
| 18:14.41 | milhouse | bergie - out of interest, why are you switching to jquery? what advantages does it have over prototype? |
| 18:15.58 | pupnik | aha smw needs more RAM |
| 18:16.04 | lsobral | cbx33, of course it is worth installing canola! |
| 18:16.59 | lsobral | I enjoy using canola very much, despite the fact that I am a developer of it :P |
| 18:17.01 | bergie | milhouse: speed, some clarity... http://jquery.com/blog/2006/08/20/why-jquerys-philosophy-is-better/ |
| 18:17.14 | cbx33 | lsobral, ahhh biased biased :p |
| 18:17.15 | cbx33 | heheh |
| 18:17.22 | lsobral | hehehe |
| 18:17.26 | milhouse | bergie - thanks, i'll take a look |
| 18:17.37 | cbx33 | lsobral, i have an n800 will i encounter the vsync errors? |
| 18:17.46 | cbx33 | does it play.....ANYTHING? |
| 18:17.49 | cbx33 | like mplayer |
| 18:18.54 | lsobral | cbx33, in the N800 we still have the tearing problem (vsync), but it happens for all apps so this is no show stopper |
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| 18:19.20 | cbx33 | i've never seen it |
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| 18:19.31 | cbx33 | what are file formats like supporting wise |
| 18:19.40 | Milandor | HI |
| 18:19.41 | _Monkey | niihau, Milandor |
| 18:19.45 | lsobral | canola uses the same underlying media-engine of the default video player, but you can also add mplayer as a backend for canola |
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| 18:20.26 | lsobral | cbx33, the tearing appears more with horizontal scrolling, in animation effects |
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| 18:21.14 | cbx33 | ahh |
| 18:22.02 | lsobral | cbx33, you can look at gconf (better with the gconf-editor) in the app/osso-media-server the supported formats for the media engine |
| 18:22.58 | cbx33 | ok |
| 18:23.00 | cbx33 | hmm |
| 18:23.03 | cbx33 | I'm liking canola |
| 18:23.12 | cbx33 | is it just for tablets? |
| 18:23.30 | cbx33 | looks like it'd be a nice platform for media on a pc too |
| 18:25.17 | lsobral | cbx33, I am using it right now on my desktop :) |
| 18:25.32 | cbx33 | coool |
| 18:25.51 | lsobral | but for now it is only release for maemo tablets |
| 18:26.06 | cbx33 | :( |
| 18:26.11 | cbx33 | and it's not OSS |
| 18:26.50 | cbx33 | is it planned to be? |
| 18:26.55 | lsobral | it will be OSS, but for legal delays, the code is not open yet |
| 18:27.11 | cbx33 | the whole thing will be OSS? |
| 18:27.18 | cbx33 | how long do you think it'll take? |
| 18:27.31 | cbx33 | hmmm |
| 18:27.35 | cbx33 | maybe I'll give it a shot |
| 18:27.43 | cbx33 | you've impressed me so far |
| 18:28.00 | lsobral | now that we are moving the UI to evas/edje it will be much easier to run canola in a variety of platforms because the UI will be scalable |
| 18:28.05 | cbx33 | the only thing that annoys me with my n800 is that last time I connected it to a PC, I lost all the data on my memo card |
| 18:28.15 | cbx33 | lsobral, awesome |
| 18:28.22 | cbx33 | when is the next release due out? |
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| 18:29.28 | lsobral | it will take a bit of time because we are in the middle of heavy changes for better, take a look at: http://www.internettablettalk.com/2007/07/25/canola-improvements-coming/ |
| 18:29.48 | cbx33 | any one else experienced that problem? |
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| 18:29.58 | cbx33 | with the media card getting corrupted |
| 18:30.02 | cbx33 | when connecting to a pc |
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| 18:30.19 | ||cw | cbx33: did you "eject" it or just unplug |
| 18:30.39 | cbx33 | i did eject it |
| 18:30.58 | cbx33 | that time it was fine |
| 18:31.05 | cbx33 | but i had an instance yesterday |
| 18:31.14 | cbx33 | I was saving a 10Mb file from the Web onto the mmc2 card |
| 18:31.19 | cbx33 | and it just"lost" the card |
| 18:31.25 | cbx33 | I had to reboot for it to find it again |
| 18:31.25 | lsobral | cbx33, there is a bug in maemo bugzilla with other people that had the problem of having their mmc corrupted |
| 18:31.30 | cbx33 | 1204 |
| 18:31.33 | cbx33 | i know it |
| 18:31.40 | cbx33 | i can't wait till they fix it |
| 18:31.47 | cbx33 | it's the bain of my n800 at the mo |
| 18:31.53 | cbx33 | I'm scared to ever connect it to a pc again |
| 18:32.03 | lsobral | cbx33, give canola a try and give us your feedback! :) |
| 18:32.07 | cbx33 | ls |
| 18:32.13 | cbx33 | lsobral, how big is the download? |
| 18:32.36 | lsobral | around 5MB |
| 18:32.45 | cbx33 | ok |
| 18:32.49 | cbx33 | i'll give it a go |
| 18:32.58 | cbx33 | problem is I don't have any audio |
| 18:33.13 | cbx33 | cos I'm scared of connecting it to the pc as i don't want to lose everything again |
| 18:34.04 | cbx33 | it sucks |
| 18:35.06 | cbx33 | the only thing I don't like about my n800 |
| 18:35.48 | gpd | [offtopic (again): any suggestions for free ringtone sites that are not a scam?] |
| 18:36.42 | gpd | I just want a classic oldskool 'ring-ring' |
| 18:37.01 | gpd | the sort of thing this would make: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotary_dial |
| 18:37.04 | pupnik | what is a ringtone format? .au, wav, mid, mod? |
| 18:37.23 | gpd | some are mp3 |
| 18:37.27 | cbx33 | mine is |
| 18:37.49 | gpd | I've never given a crap before - but I know that the ringtone world is filth incarnate |
| 18:38.08 | pupnik | why do people pay for them? |
| 18:38.28 | gpd | fools |
| 18:38.28 | cbx33 | no idea |
| 18:38.29 | rshortt | I can't wait til my 6275i cable arrives... hello custom mp3 ringtones |
| 18:38.32 | pupnik | are phones drm-locked for playback of ringtones? |
| 18:38.41 | cbx33 | no |
| 18:39.26 | pupnik | stuff like that makes me feel like i live on another planet from these people |
| 18:40.05 | pupnik | btw Super Mario Wars did need more than 64MB ram - it runs with swap enabled |
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| 18:55.01 | pupnik | great game... horrible dpad |
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| 19:01.32 | pupnik | _Monkey: forget "Super Mario War" |
| 19:01.33 | _Monkey | pupnik: I forgot "super mario war" |
| 19:03.14 | pupnik | _Monkey: "Super Mario War" is a player-vs-player platform game with a mario theme. Packages for 770 (and N800) are at http://pupnik.de/smw.html . Works in Progress, but playable! |
| 19:03.15 | _Monkey | OK, pupnik. |
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| 19:12.30 | Disconnect | is garage down or is it just sucking to be me today? |
| 19:14.09 | milhouse | disconnect - garage does look like it might be down here (UK) |
| 19:14.21 | milhouse | garage.maemo.org ain't responding |
| 19:14.24 | Presence_ | if you havent had your device fail within 3 weeks and didnt buy your device from buy.com you haventbeen sucking |
| 19:14.49 | pupnik | that does suck. except for not having paid much for it |
| 19:15.16 | Presence_ | $140 is $140 :( |
| 19:15.27 | Presence_ | plus I bought a 2g MMC for it, which is useless for anything else |
| 19:16.03 | milhouse | Presence - I presume Nokia are repairing it? |
| 19:16.11 | pupnik | heh 7 months ago i spent $400 |
| 19:16.21 | pupnik | or 8 |
| 19:16.52 | milhouse | Could have been worse, you could have paid full price for a 770 on 7 January |
| 19:17.03 | milhouse | s/January/January 2007/ |
| 19:17.43 | Presence_ | milhouse: nope. They said that buy.com isnt an authorized retailer and they refuse to honor the warranty |
| 19:17.53 | milhouse | that's just bollox |
| 19:17.55 | Presence_ | milhouse: but then I wouldnt have to pay for repair |
| 19:18.00 | Presence_ | mil: I agree. |
| 19:18.08 | Presence_ | Im totally pissed about it |
| 19:18.12 | milhouse | don't you have some sort of trading standards ? |
| 19:18.30 | Presence_ | apparently you can circumvent them with a simple paragraph |
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| 19:18.52 | pupnik | which is why they're cheap |
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| 19:19.06 | pupnik | purchasers don't bear the cost of those repairs/RMAs |
| 19:19.12 | milhouse | in the uk, Trading Standards are a government organisation that prevent vendors and manufacturers from getting away with this crap |
| 19:19.32 | milhouse | let me guess - has your 770 failed with the WSOD, a known design flaw? |
| 19:19.42 | milhouse | WSOD == White Screen of Death |
| 19:19.44 | pupnik | and prices are 2-3 times higher as a result of that, and other policies |
| 19:19.45 | Presence_ | milhouse: from what nokia said, this may be why buy has them cheap...they are international versions they couldnt dump |
| 19:19.56 | milhouse | _everyone_ has them cheap right now |
| 19:19.57 | Presence_ | yes, a white screen with grey verticle bars |
| 19:20.02 | milhouse | not just buy.com |
| 19:20.14 | pupnik | in germany they are twice as expensive |
| 19:20.16 | milhouse | Presence - yes, you have in your hands a fault entirely due to Nokia design |
| 19:20.22 | Presence_ | the device doesnt even display the nokia logo |
| 19:20.36 | milhouse | I'd go back to Nokia and pursue the design flaw angle |
| 19:21.12 | milhouse | It seems that buy.com have the bad batch :( in the UK several vendors are selling 770s cheap |
| 19:21.25 | Presence_ | I have been kicking them both in the ass |
| 19:21.27 | milhouse | and i'm sure many of them are legit (Amazon, expansys) |
| 19:21.32 | Presence_ | but I dont think it will go anywhere |
| 19:21.48 | Presence_ | Im going to lambaste them both if I dont get resolution |
| 19:22.01 | milhouse | I feel for you mate, I'd be livid (particularly with Nokia - it's their fault, they should repair it) |
| 19:22.32 | Presence_ | yes |
| 19:25.08 | Presence_ | they are stating that I have an invalid serial number (WLAN ID) so they may do nothing |
| 19:25.39 | Presence_ | I plugged in the device, and an hour later, it wouldnt boot anymore |
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| 19:26.26 | milhouse | how do you mean invalid WLAN id? invalid in the sense the device was meant for sale abroad? |
| 19:28.25 | zyxulnaga | what's the max write speed you can get in those minisd cards in the n800? |
| 19:28.42 | zyxulnaga | I am doing some packet capture and it's only grabbing 20% of the traffic |
| 19:29.14 | zyxulnaga | either the wireless driver can't handle the packets or the write speed in the mmc is slow |
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| 19:29.44 | Presence_ | its invalid as they cant track it and dont know if its a legit device |
| 19:29.54 | Presence_ | its fine for wifi, cause thats how I used it |
| 19:30.08 | milhouse | hmm... why would anyone fake a WLAN MAC address? |
| 19:30.21 | milhouse | can you type it here? |
| 19:30.43 | timtimred | lol, dont you have any consumer rights wherever you are? |
| 19:30.44 | Presence_ | nonono |
| 19:30.53 | Presence_ | the WLAN ID is what they use for a serial number |
| 19:31.00 | Presence_ | they say its not a valid serial # |
| 19:31.01 | milhouse | ok, first 6 digits? |
| 19:31.13 | milhouse | not going to be much use to anyone if it's invalid... :) |
| 19:31.18 | Presence_ | if I was home I would tell you |
| 19:31.22 | Presence_ | it was 00:16 something |
| 19:31.25 | milhouse | k |
| 19:31.36 | milhouse | mine is 00:19... |
| 19:31.41 | Presence_ | but its not an invalid WLAN ID, its an invalid serial |
| 19:32.18 | milhouse | althogh 00:16 is assigned to Nokia also |
| 19:32.25 | milhouse | yes, i know... |
| 19:32.51 | Presence_ | right... |
| 19:33.12 | Presence_ | this is one way nokia dumps the devices without the repair responsibility |
| 19:34.16 | milhouse | both my n800s have wlan macs starting with 00:19:4F:9E |
| 19:34.40 | milhouse | are you sure you read it correctly? :) |
| 19:36.18 | milhouse | if you go to this page http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N800.php it won't accept a mac starting 0016 (I just changed my 0019... to 0016...) |
| 19:36.21 | zakx | HWaddr 00:19:4F:9E: |
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| 19:36.58 | Presence_ | I might have remembered wrong, but I dont think so |
| 19:36.59 | milhouse | will be interesting to see if that page accepts your WLAN MAC... if not, somehow your label is wrong or faked. does ifconfig (as root) tally with the label/sticker? |
| 19:37.15 | Presence_ | when I go to the support page it says invalid serial |
| 19:37.33 | milhouse | if the page _does_ accept your WLAN MAC, then you have one part of Nokia validating your MAC (the software download page) and another part which doesn't validate it |
| 19:37.44 | milhouse | at least they're consistent then... |
| 19:37.50 | Presence_ | hold on |
| 19:37.56 | Presence_ | Ill put it from my wap mac filter list |
| 19:38.06 | Presence_ | I have Remote access to that through an ssh tunnel |
| 19:38.28 | Presence_ | 00:19:FD:48 |
| 19:38.33 | Presence_ | so I remembered wrong |
| 19:38.41 | Presence_ | 00:19:FD:48:E5:AB |
| 19:38.44 | Presence_ | thats the full mac |
| 19:39.26 | milhouse | yep, duff mac |
| 19:39.39 | milhouse | according to the software download page |
| 19:39.44 | milhouse | how strange is that? |
| 19:39.50 | Presence_ | but this is a 770 |
| 19:39.56 | Presence_ | does the 800 support page care? |
| 19:40.00 | milhouse | ah...sheettt... good point :) |
| 19:40.15 | Presence_ | the device mac DOES actually exist on the wifi adapter...and it does work |
| 19:40.17 | milhouse | and still duff on the 770 page |
| 19:40.34 | Presence_ | its not wrong or faked...its just the buy.com/nokia responsibility fiasco |
| 19:41.27 | Presence_ | its invalid because they know that buy.com has the device with that serial Im sure |
| 19:41.40 | milhouse | my 770 (from Nov 2005) is 00:14:A7:FA |
| 19:41.59 | Presence_ | and they are an "unauthorized" vendor...now I can understand that if its a "clone" that would matter, but I dont think thats the problem |
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| 19:42.39 | zyxulnaga | I wonder why nokia is not doing anything about fixing monitor mode in their wireless drivers |
| 19:42.41 | milhouse | i don't think this has anything to do with buy.com... how has you 770 got a duff WLAN MAC address? Wherever you bought it from, legit or not, you have a device for which it is impossible to download software for starters |
| 19:43.39 | milhouse | even if you bought that device from nokia themselves, your mac address is wrong according to the 770 software download page... how did that happen? |
| 19:43.50 | Presence_ | I already downloaded updates |
| 19:43.57 | milhouse | makes me wonder if this is an internal cockup within nokia |
| 19:43.59 | Presence_ | I installed the most recent version of the firmware |
| 19:44.13 | milhouse | when i entered your 770 MAC address into the 770 download page it said "Product ID not valid" |
| 19:44.26 | Presence_ | they just now or recently removed it to screw me :( |
| 19:44.33 | Presence_ | cause it worked 2 weeks ago |
| 19:44.42 | milhouse | hmm... i suppose that's a possibility |
| 19:44.55 | milhouse | they've zapped all the buy.com addresses... maybe |
| 19:45.06 | milhouse | but that just sounds crazy |
| 19:45.07 | Presence_ | when I requested support they actually have a clause that says "contact buy.com if you have problems with your device, we will not honor the warranty" |
| 19:45.53 | Presence_ | support has told me to send it in, but they dont know its from buy.com yet |
| 19:46.00 | milhouse | i don't know the legal ins and outs, but that sounds shakey |
| 19:46.07 | Presence_ | they require a proof of purchase when I ship it back |
| 19:46.26 | milhouse | when i sent my n800 in for repair, i didn't have to provide proof of purchase |
| 19:46.39 | milhouse | (not the same i know, but nokia uk didn't ask me where i bought it) |
| 19:46.51 | milhouse | and i don't recall sending them my mac address either |
| 19:47.00 | Presence_ | thats cause you guys have better buyer protection laws |
| 19:47.02 | milhouse | before they agreed to pick it up |
| 19:47.16 | milhouse | possibly but i thought in the us the consumer was king? :) |
| 19:47.20 | Disconnect | lots of vendors sell off dodgy gear to places where it isn't supposed to reenter the retail chain - generally it gets broken for parts or sold 'as-is'. recording serial numbers (or changing them) is a good way to ensure that they don't have to support something they already decided was bad.. |
| 19:47.23 | Disconnect | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:47.24 | milhouse | (you are in the US, right?) |
| 19:48.08 | milhouse | disconnect - this could look very bad for nokia if buy.com sell a ton of 770s, and nokia refuse any support, even blocking a user from downloading essential firmware |
| 19:48.52 | Disconnect | maybe. or whichever vendor in the chain acted against their agreement might have to replace a ton of units, which would work great for nokia |
| 19:48.56 | milhouse | and also, it seems that buy.com are offloading devices which still suffer from the WSoD... not sure I've seen a Woot! user with a WSoD yet, only buy.com buyers |
| 19:49.00 | V-I-P | lies mal die sachen über augenlaserbehandlung, laut http://www.lasikreport.de/augenlaserbehandlung kann lasik das gut behandeln |
| 19:49.05 | V-I-P | ooops wrong window |
| 19:49.49 | milhouse | V-I-P - you've peaked my interest so... |
| 19:49.49 | milhouse | _monkey translate from de lies mal die sachen über augenlaserbehandlung, laut http://www.lasikreport.de/augenlaserbehandlung kann lasik das gut behandeln |
| 19:49.51 | _Monkey | milhouse: read times the things over eye laser treatment, loud http://www.lasikreport.de/augenlaserbehandlung can lasik that well treat |
| 19:50.22 | milhouse | i've considered lasik... but i've got dual astygmatism (apparently) so can't have it. :( |
| 19:50.23 | V-I-P | its german by the way |
| 19:50.29 | milhouse | kah |
| 19:50.33 | milhouse | s/kah/jah/ |
| 19:50.39 | milhouse | :) |
| 19:51.06 | V-I-P | did you use babelfish ? |
| 19:51.14 | sp3000 | piqued, dammit :| |
| 19:51.20 | milhouse | no i asked _monkey to translate |
| 19:51.28 | V-I-P | ok |
| 19:51.42 | milhouse | sp3000 - thanks for the correction, how embarassing! :) |
| 19:52.45 | milhouse | Presence - according to this page, http://www.coffer.com/mac_find/?string=nokia, 00:19:FD:48:E5:AB isn't even assigned to Nokia... |
| 19:53.21 | milhouse | that's actually a Nintendo MAC... Wii by any chance? |
| 19:53.53 | milhouse | or a DS.. |
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| 19:55.05 | Presence_ | crap |
| 19:55.10 | Presence_ | you are right |
| 19:55.12 | milhouse | hehe |
| 19:55.15 | Presence_ | thats the wii I just installed |
| 19:55.21 | Disconnect | lol |
| 19:55.21 | Presence_ | for my kids |
| 19:55.36 | milhouse | yeah yeah, "for the kids" - ok ;) |
| 19:55.42 | Presence_ | sorry guys, working and talking :) |
| 19:56.10 | Presence_ | 00:16:4E:98:9C:88 |
| 19:56.12 | Presence_ | thats it |
| 19:56.18 | florian | re |
| 19:56.20 | Presence_ | so I did remember 00:16 correct |
| 19:56.58 | Presence_ | dumb |
| 19:57.05 | milhouse | yep, that's accepted as valid by the 770 download page |
| 19:57.09 | milhouse | and it's a Nokia MAC |
| 19:57.17 | Presence_ | sorry, engineering a network solution and doing this at the same time :) |
| 19:58.26 | milhouse | dunno what else to suggest really... but i wish you the best of luck |
| 20:08.24 | Presence_ | heh, thanks :) |
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| 20:17.51 | guardian | good evening maemo |
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| 20:40.59 | roundeye | how can i change the name server that im useing? |
| 20:41.16 | roundeye | i look in the /etc/resove.conf file it says 127.0.0.1 |
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| 20:43.02 | cosmo | in the advanced settings of connection |
| 20:44.03 | roundeye | ok |
| 20:44.06 | roundeye | thank you |
| 20:44.53 | roundeye | cosmo where is it? |
| 20:45.03 | roundeye | control panel > ? |
| 20:45.58 | cosmo | connection manager |
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| 20:47.05 | roundeye | i am useing mistral on 770 |
| 20:47.16 | roundeye | i dont see conection manger |
| 20:47.47 | roundeye | is that suposed to be under controll panel |
| 20:48.13 | roundeye | sorry nubing out |
| 20:48.17 | soothsayer | Can anyone recommend a countup timer utility? Ideally a gnome-applet, a plugin for gkrellm or a standalone graphical app. By countup timer I mean something that displays the days since a specified date. |
| 20:48.41 | cosmo | w8, i'll get my 770 |
| 20:49.18 | cosmo | tools->connection manager |
| 20:50.01 | roundeye | im there and i dont se any where to specifi the name server |
| 20:50.25 | roundeye | i can see my name server that im using but i cant see where to change |
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| 20:51.37 | cosmo | tools->connectivity->connections->edit->nextnextnext->advanced |
| 20:54.00 | roundeye | um is it tools > connection manager? |
| 20:54.16 | roundeye | i dont have tools connectivity |
| 20:54.26 | roundeye | i have contol pannel > conectivety |
| 20:54.27 | cosmo | in connection manager |
| 20:54.34 | cosmo | there is menu called tools |
| 20:55.31 | roundeye | thank you |
| 20:55.56 | roundeye | for you help and patience |
| 20:56.34 | cosmo | np, it's quite well hidden |
| 20:56.57 | cosmo | usually wifi has dhcp |
| 20:57.32 | roundeye | i know but i dont want to use there name servers they are broken :9 |
| 21:01.35 | roundeye | hey cosmo you konw where i can confim that i am useing hte dns server i chose? |
| 21:02.04 | roundeye | i try cating out /etc/resolve.conf |
| 21:02.15 | roundeye | but it stil says 127.0.0.1 |
| 21:02.30 | cosmo | hm, weird. i think it should be in resolv.conf |
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| 21:02.42 | roundeye | i tried manul change in resolve.conf but no dice |
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| 21:02.49 | Disconnect | maemo uses a dns cache |
| 21:03.29 | roundeye | the problem is that the current name server dose not resolve tmomail.net so i cant send txt msg to my gf |
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| 21:03.49 | roundeye | i thougt that by using a dns server that did i would change the problem |
| 21:05.38 | roundeye | how can i verify what dns server im using |
| 21:05.55 | roundeye | cosmo what does your /etc/resolve.conf say? |
| 21:06.59 | robtaylor | aCiDBaSe: there? |
| 21:07.00 | _Monkey | there is some app that is drawing a lot of power |
| 21:07.11 | cosmo | 127.0.0.1 |
| 21:07.29 | roundeye | hmm |
| 21:07.32 | aCiDBaSe | yes |
| 21:07.38 | roundeye | where is the dns info held? |
| 21:07.51 | cosmo | i'll go to bed, good luck |
| 21:08.06 | roundeye | k take it easy |
| 21:08.09 | robtaylor | aCiDBaSe: so i'm going to try getting my new python packages to understand the compressed stuff |
| 21:08.35 | robtaylor | aCiDBaSe: is 04-import.patch the right patch? |
| 21:08.37 | roundeye | whats the recipient not found on server about |
| 21:08.51 | roundeye | at home there is no problem sending mail |
| 21:09.12 | roundeye | from work it tells me "ecipient not found on server" |
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| 21:09.39 | aCiDBaSe | robtaylor: yes... this patch modify the behavior of the python standard import hook... |
| 21:09.54 | robtaylor | cool, i'll try pulling it in and see what happens |
| 21:11.38 | aCiDBaSe | robtaylor: you can take a look at this thread in python-dev: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2005-November/057959.html |
| 21:11.46 | robtaylor | aCiDBaSe: cool, thanks :) |
| 21:12.25 | roundeye | where is the dns information stored on the 770 mistrasl |
| 21:13.09 | aCiDBaSe | robtaylor: a quick summary: I'm introducing a "bug" of zipimport hook in standard import hook. |
| 21:18.18 | robtaylor | aCiDBaSe: yep, figure that much |
| 21:18.27 | robtaylor | aCiDBaSe: what's the plan going forward? |
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| 21:20.53 | aCiDBaSe | robtaylor: I don't know :/ I'm thinking about stop zip the python modules and start to use python-{support,central}... |
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| 21:29.35 | robtaylor | aCiDBaSe: its all a bit hard really :/ |
| 21:30.30 | robtaylor | aCiDBaSe: i guess you don't want to distribute python source, and thats quite at odds with teh current debian scheme, i think |
| 21:30.35 | robtaylor | :/ |
| 21:32.40 | aCiDBaSe | yes, this is a big problem (I don't like the idea of bytecompiling python modules during installation too) |
| 21:33.31 | aCiDBaSe | I think that we need to take a look into python-{support,central} and suggest some changes... |
| 21:34.20 | robtaylor | aCiDBaSe: yeah, this'll take some discussion with the debian guys.. shame we missed debconf :) |
| 21:34.33 | aCiDBaSe | :) |
| 21:34.41 | robtaylor | I wonder... |
| 21:35.09 | robtaylor | hmm |
| 21:36.02 | robtaylor | nope,can't think of a good way to do it |
| 21:36.47 | robtaylor | aCiDBaSe: so, at the moment, with python2.5-runtime etc, you don't actually distribute the source, right? |
| 21:37.14 | aCiDBaSe | right... only the .pyo/.so files... |
| 21:37.36 | aCiDBaSe | and .pyc/py in *-dev packages... |
| 21:38.04 | robtaylor | which makes sense |
| 21:39.12 | robtaylor | aCiDBaSe: the optimised builds are dependant on a particular version of theinterpreter, right? |
| 21:40.38 | robtaylor | aCiDBaSe: thats the main problem for debian guys (and for us for some degree) |
| 21:41.07 | robtaylor | aCiDBaSe: cos just installing the pyo would break if you upgraded python, right? |
| 21:42.24 | aCiDBaSe | robtaylor: nopz... the difference between pyc and pyo files are: pyo doesn't include the assertions and docstrings... |
| 21:42.57 | robtaylor | aCiDBaSe: so a pyo should be readable by all 2.5.x? |
| 21:43.05 | robtaylor | same, pyc |
| 21:43.29 | aCiDBaSe | yes... even the pyo/pyc from 2.4.x |
| 21:45.03 | robtaylor | hmm, but debian byte-compiles the sources into sperate dirs for python2.5/2.4/2.3/2.6... |
| 21:45.41 | aCiDBaSe | yes... because we can have changes in modules for one version of python to other... |
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| 21:46.08 | robtaylor | mm |
| 21:48.00 | robtaylor | ick, the only way to do this is to have a completely different set of packaging to debian :( |
| 21:48.46 | robtaylor | I guess we could have a clever tool that generates python2.5-foo from python-foo that provides python-foo |
| 21:48.54 | robtaylor | but thats a bit ick |
| 21:50.50 | aCiDBaSe | yes... we've to make a big change in the current build system *and* some changes in python-{support,central} to make this packages good for devices with constraints of disk space and CPU... |
| 21:51.04 | robtaylor | yep |
| 21:51.19 | robtaylor | well you don;t even really want python-central on small disk space |
| 21:52.10 | aCiDBaSe | we'll do that but we need a good plan to make this happen before start the job... |
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| 21:54.45 | robtaylor | aCiDBaSe: i think this is worth chatting with the ubuntuites about |
| 21:55.24 | robtaylor | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/MaemoPackagingCleanup |
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| 22:03.40 | aCiDBaSe | robtaylor: cool... they are planning to use python-central (preferably) |
| 22:03.54 | robtaylor | yep |
| 22:04.08 | robtaylor | they want to have standard packaging like on debian |
| 22:04.16 | robtaylor | but they havn't realised the downside |
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| 22:04.44 | aCiDBaSe | yes... they will find the "problems" :) |
| 22:06.25 | aCiDBaSe | but I think we need work together with Ubuntu guys and make the suggestions to change the python-central to accomplish our needs to them... |
| 22:07.21 | robtaylor | yeah |
| 22:07.28 | aCiDBaSe | create some system that enable us to bytecompile the python modules during package building (instead of during the installation) and distribute only the bytecode version of the modules... |
| 22:07.29 | robtaylor | i can;t see a good solution yet though |
| 22:08.11 | robtaylor | the problem with that is it means everyone needs to have the old problem |
| 22:08.33 | robtaylor | of having python2.4-foo and 2.5-foo in their debian/control |
| 22:08.46 | robtaylor | i don;t think we could pursaude people to go back to that |
| 22:09.33 | aCiDBaSe | yes... you are right... |
| 22:12.14 | robtaylor | maybe there's a way to get dh_genchages to add packages not in control |
| 22:13.36 | robtaylor | ah, oh, its dpkg-genchanges, of course |
| 22:13.52 | robtaylor | so it just carea sbout having a correctly unpacked tree to add |
| 22:14.03 | robtaylor | mm |
| 22:15.00 | robtaylor | it might be possible to have make a script that automaticlaly generates byte-compliled variations which provide the original |
| 22:15.20 | robtaylor | amke make that done by sh_pycentral |
| 22:20.46 | roundeye | wtf is up with maemo.org |
| 22:20.53 | roundeye | damn thing keeps going down all day |
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| 22:21.47 | milhouse | maemo.org is ok here, but garage.maemo.org is down (and has been down for several hours) |
| 22:23.13 | roundeye | where is here im in los angeles |
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| 22:24.38 | milhouse | roundeye: sorry for not specifying :) i'm in London, UK |
| 22:25.22 | fro1 | garage seems dead from IT as well |
| 22:26.48 | tigert | from here too |
| 22:26.49 | tigert | suck |
| 22:28.50 | derf | garage responds intermittently for me. |
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| 22:28.56 | derf | Or at least it did as of a few hours ago. |
| 22:29.04 | derf | If you wait a _really_ long time, a page shows up. |
| 22:31.18 | robtaylor | aCiDBaSe: damn, just putting in the import patch doesnt help :/ |
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| 22:37.19 | unique311 | omfg |
| 22:37.24 | unique311 | i give up... |
| 22:37.32 | unique311 | i'm goind bsd |
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| 22:47.57 | joshin | How much of a pain is it to port an app to work with maemo? Lincity, I'm looking at you... |
| 22:49.42 | fro1 | joshin: depends on the app |
| 22:49.48 | robtaylor | aCiDBaSe: ah, my bad, patch didn't apply |
| 22:50.13 | joshin | fro1: Ok, that tells me that it is going to suck for all definitions of the word suck. :) |
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| 22:51.59 | kamihacker | greetings |
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| 23:08.12 | tigert | fro1: basic stuff is probably easy |
| 23:08.22 | tigert | fro1: the hard part is usually the user interface |
| 23:08.38 | tigert | because, while it might work just out of the box (well, it's linux, gtk and X11 anyway..) |
| 23:08.54 | tigert | what matters is the user scenario is a lot different on a handheld device |
| 23:09.07 | tigert | so the ui should be re-thought for touchscreen, mostly finger-use |
| 23:09.12 | tigert | this is harder to do |
| 23:09.16 | tigert | and takes effort |
| 23:09.40 | fro1 | I know |
| 23:09.53 | fro1 | joshin: tigert has been a lot more exhaustive than me |
| 23:10.20 | tigert | oh heh, and I nicely mixed the person I talked to |
| 23:10.28 | tigert | anyway, this was naturally meant for joshin |
| 23:10.40 | joshin | Thanks. I was just looking at LinCity and thinking of how neat that would be on the 770/800 |
| 23:12.19 | tigert | yeah |
| 23:12.41 | tigert | then again the touchscreen ui can actually make very interesting input possibilities for games and other apps |
| 23:12.46 | tigert | because you can poke things directly |
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| 23:37.27 | Luria | anyone gotten an nx client working with the n800? |
| 23:39.34 | jonnylamb | Luria: http://blog.gwright.org.uk/articles/2007/02/18/nx-and-the-nokia-770 |
| 23:39.51 | Luria | yeah, i read that |
| 23:40.00 | Luria | but its almost 6month old |
| 23:40.06 | jonnylamb | That's all I know I'm afraid. |
| 23:40.10 | Luria | k, thanks |
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| 23:46.21 | roundeye | any one konw where i can get some dns tools |
| 23:46.25 | roundeye | for mistral |
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| 23:58.02 | pupnik_ | i complain about the dpad constantly - it is horrible for games and fast movement - but is is well designed for slow clicks through menus |
| 23:58.11 | pupnik_ | we should give the designers some respect |
