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| 00:03.19 | zeth | Hello anyone up |
| 00:03.19 | trevarthan | Any python pros in the house? How do I rewrite this C line in Python? g_signal_connect(ctx.conic,"connection-event", G_CALLBACK(connection_handler),ctx); |
| 00:03.56 | trevarthan | In particular, I'm not sure how to do g_signal_connect() in python. |
| 00:04.53 | zeth | Hello, I just had my house robbed and my Macbook stolen, I thought about getting a Nokia 770 to tide me over until I get insurance money for new laptop. Can one still get into the maemo scene with the older 770? |
| 00:06.30 | pupnik | http://www.nabble.com/Pygtk-or-gtk-t3913322.html did you see that thread trevarthan ? |
| 00:07.08 | pupnik | zeth, yes |
| 00:07.11 | jonnylamb | zeth: Of course! |
| 00:07.32 | zeth | I can't really argue with 70 quid |
| 00:07.36 | zeth | for the 770 |
| 00:07.44 | zeth | vs 270 for the n800 |
| 00:08.13 | zeth | I am a long time Linux user so I am not scared of getting my hands dirty |
| 00:09.09 | procto | anyone know how to turn OFF monitor mode? |
| 00:09.43 | pupnik | zeth: sorry to hear you got robbed |
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| 00:10.01 | pupnik | i think that's a great price for a 770 |
| 00:10.01 | trevarthan | pupnik: yes. It doesn't make any sense to me as I don't have any experience with either the C or the python side of libconic. |
| 00:10.04 | zeth | yeah sucks |
| 00:10.11 | zeth | cheers anyway |
| 00:10.12 | trevarthan | and there's not really any documentation right now. |
| 00:10.32 | pupnik | zeth: a bluetooth keyboard is very nice to have with it |
| 00:10.42 | lmoura | trevarthan, that's a ConIcConnection signal |
| 00:11.14 | lmoura | trevarthan, get a conic.Connection, and connection.connect("connection-event", callback_func) |
| 00:11.26 | zeth | pupnik, yeah, they didn't steal my desktop so the on-screen keyboard will probably do |
| 00:12.39 | trevarthan | lmoura: ok. thanks. |
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| 00:12.50 | lmoura | trevarthan, another thing I forgot to tell yesterday: AFAIR, if you are going to use the SystemBus together with libconic, you need to get a private instance of the bus |
| 00:13.06 | trevarthan | meaning what? |
| 00:13.14 | lmoura | import conic |
| 00:13.22 | lmoura | bus = dbus.SystemBus() |
| 00:13.28 | zeth | out of interest, how much difference in speed is there between 770 and 800? |
| 00:13.29 | lmoura | this won't work |
| 00:13.36 | lmoura | or shouldn't work :) |
| 00:13.43 | zeth | in reality, while trying to do stuff |
| 00:13.50 | trevarthan | lmoura: ok. what does work? |
| 00:14.24 | lmoura | trevarthan, instead, you'll need dbus.SystemBus(private=True) |
| 00:14.31 | trevarthan | lmoura: do you by chance have some example conic code I could look at? |
| 00:14.47 | trevarthan | ok |
| 00:14.59 | lmoura | trevarthan, https://garage.maemo.org/svn/pymaemo/packages/python-conic/trunk/tests/ |
| 00:15.09 | lmoura | I 'translated' the C tests to python |
| 00:16.02 | trevarthan | thank you! that will help immensely, I think. |
| 00:16.36 | trevarthan | BTW, what *is* conic? Why does it exist? |
| 00:17.23 | lmoura | trevarthan, excuse me? |
| 00:17.34 | lmoura | trevarthan, do you mean libconic? |
| 00:17.44 | trevarthan | yes |
| 00:18.30 | trevarthan | I don't know what it does or is. I simply know that acmonitor uses it to get battery events because they can't be gleaned from dbus easily, and I need to do the same thing. |
| 00:19.19 | lmoura | trevarthan, libconic is some kind of "convenience library" for the connection services |
| 00:19.21 | pupnik | battery? i thought it was about connection events |
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| 00:19.51 | lmoura | trevarthan, it's something like a evolution of osso-ic |
| 00:19.55 | jpt9 | i'm running IT2007HE on a 770. is there any danger in changing the root and/or user passwords? |
| 00:20.18 | trevarthan | lmoura: so it's a maemo specific thing? |
| 00:20.21 | lmoura | trevarthan, just 'hiding' the dbus stuff while working with icd daemon |
| 00:20.31 | lmoura | trevarthan, AFAIK, yes |
| 00:21.06 | trevarthan | ok. that will have to do for now, I suppose. Thanks for the info! |
| 00:21.20 | lmoura | trevarthan, no problem |
| 00:21.32 | pupnik | jpt9: i always change the root pw as soon as i install ssh/dropbear |
| 00:21.39 | jpt9 | i did that. |
| 00:21.48 | jpt9 | what about changing the user password? will it screw anything up? |
| 00:22.01 | pupnik | what's the user password default? |
| 00:22.05 | jpt9 | dunnno. |
| 00:22.06 | jpt9 | dunno. |
| 00:22.15 | pupnik | ok i'll try |
| 00:22.31 | jpt9 | a blank one doesn't work. |
| 00:22.36 | jpt9 | neither does 'user' or 'password'. |
| 00:22.42 | pupnik | changed password - rebooting |
| 00:24.13 | pupnik | everything looks ok |
| 00:24.21 | jpt9 | should i try it? |
| 00:26.15 | pupnik | everything looks ok |
| 00:30.28 | jpt9 | vim 7.0 via ssh on an n770 is slow. |
| 00:30.32 | jpt9 | quite fun, though. |
| 00:30.50 | jpt9 | *** frotz. |
| 00:31.11 | pupnik | yeah at least vim is full featured. like "cl" change letter works |
| 00:31.12 | jpt9 | pupnik: you should link to the cli frotz deb on your site. |
| 00:33.33 | pupnik | hmm |
| 00:36.17 | pupnik | why did you want a console frotz? i forgot |
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| 00:37.05 | pupnik | frotz? |
| 00:37.12 | pupnik | oh monkey no here |
| 00:37.17 | jpt9 | gfrotz wouldn't let me change the font size. |
| 00:37.41 | pupnik | blah you're right |
| 00:37.53 | Agogo | anyone know the progress on Ekiga for n800 |
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| 00:51.23 | NeoStrider | hello folks |
| 00:57.31 | pupnik | ok jpt9 done. Also emailed gfrotz maintaner about the fonts |
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| 01:04.45 | trevarthan | I'm running `dbus-monitor --system` |
| 01:04.59 | trevarthan | and I'm seeing a lot of: |
| 01:05.01 | trevarthan | signal sender=org.freedesktop.DBus -> dest=(null destination) interface=org.freedesktop.DBus; member=NameOwnerChanged |
| 01:05.07 | trevarthan | What does that mean? |
| 01:08.38 | trevarthan | haha. I just sent my first dbus signal using python. coolness. |
| 01:10.40 | lmoura | trevarthan, usually, a program accessing or leaving the bus |
| 01:11.08 | trevarthan | possibly a different bus than the one I'm monitoring? |
| 01:11.42 | trevarthan | I think I sent that to the session bus by accident, and it showed up like that on the system bus. |
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| 01:27.45 | pupnik | trevarthan: are you also 'flyinghigh' on ITT forums? |
| 01:27.53 | trevarthan | no |
| 01:28.02 | trevarthan | I'm trevarthan everywhere. |
| 01:28.10 | trevarthan | Except in real life. |
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| 01:28.16 | pupnik | k |
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| 01:39.36 | trevarthan | anyone know if it's possible to write dbus filters using dbus-python on maemo? I don't see lowlevel.pyo, so I'm not sure... |
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| 01:54.18 | edt | anyone have an idea why opera in fullscreen mode will not keep the virtual keyboard up? I select a text field (eg the text for search on maemo.org), the keyboard appears and immediatly dissapears... |
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| 01:56.01 | pupnik | man the music in chrono trigger is great |
| 02:00.16 | trevarthan | pupnik: how did you get it working? |
| 02:00.30 | pupnik | i ran chrono on pc :) |
| 02:00.38 | trevarthan | lol. |
| 02:04.45 | trevarthan | lmoura: so, I don't need to gripe about the dbus thing then. You all seem like you're on it. Who should I gripe to about the com.nokia.bme.signal bug I'm running into? |
| 02:07.15 | lmoura | trevarthan, what do you want to do with this signal? just listen to it? |
| 02:08.08 | trevarthan | yes. I want to listen to it |
| 02:08.57 | trevarthan | I'm sending a "com.nokia.bme.request" status_info_req signal, and I want to listen to the response basically, just like acmonitor does. |
| 02:09.43 | lmoura | trevarthan, I believe you can use bus.add_signal_receiver |
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| 02:12.22 | trevarthan | lmoura: When I try to connect to it, I get this exception: dbus_bindings.DBusException: Could not get owner of name 'com.nokia.bme': no such name |
| 02:12.46 | trevarthan | lmoura: but I'm using iface2.connect_to_signal(). I'll try bus.add_signal_receiver(). |
| 02:13.04 | lmoura | trevarthan, scratchbox or n800? |
| 02:13.29 | trevarthan | n800 |
| 02:13.30 | trevarthan | 3.2007 |
| 02:14.05 | trevarthan | I've got example code if you want. |
| 02:14.43 | lmoura | well, here it wouldn't work. I'm on a desktop. I guess these kind of signals just happen on the n800 |
| 02:14.56 | trevarthan | yeah. |
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| 02:20.48 | trevarthan | lmoura: sweet. I think bus.add_signal_receiver() worked! I got this error: Introspect error: The name com.nokia.bme was not provided by any .service files |
| 02:21.01 | trevarthan | lmoura: but it isn't fatal and I still get the signal. |
| 02:21.29 | lmoura | trevarthan, nice |
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| 02:22.33 | trevarthan | alright, I'm gonna write some actual code now that I've got all this boilerplate crap out of the way. Thanks, lmoura! |
| 02:22.39 | edt | cd /va |
| 02:22.59 | edt | anyone know how to fix 1682 without reflashing? |
| 02:24.18 | trevarthan | derf: you get all of that about signals? |
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| 02:27.25 | derf | No, I wasn't paying attention. |
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| 02:49.00 | trevarthan | derf: why did you use libconic in acmonitor? |
| 02:50.09 | pupnik | it is used to help keep the connection alive while plugged-in |
| 02:51.48 | trevarthan | dbus alone isn't enough? |
| 02:52.18 | trevarthan | I think gconf is used for the ping, isn't it? |
| 02:52.26 | pupnik | i don't know how it works |
| 02:52.42 | pupnik | latest version of zodttd's psx emu on psx video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oDV-60ti_8 |
| 02:53.00 | pupnik | s/"on psx"/"on gp2x"/ |
| 02:54.50 | trevarthan | that's cool. |
| 02:55.16 | trevarthan | I thought psx required more CPU than that. Doesn't it require like 1ghz or better? |
| 02:57.12 | pupnik | he implemented dynamic recompilation and uses a highly optimized software renderer for the 3d |
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| 02:57.32 | pupnik | pc emus use opengl to do the 3d |
| 02:58.30 | pupnik | yes, it's badass |
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| 03:04.46 | trevarthan | wow. he did all of that in software?!? You've got to be kidding me.... |
| 03:04.51 | derf | trevarthan: libconic was used to detect the network connection going up and down. |
| 03:05.05 | trevarthan | ah. ok. |
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| 03:46.42 | vertoo | wait, theres a psx emu on n800/770? |
| 03:46.56 | vertoo | (just read up) |
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| 03:54.44 | jga23 | is there a version of sqlite for maemo? |
| 03:57.25 | `0660 | yes there is |
| 03:58.32 | jga23 | link? I can't seem to find it |
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| 04:19.37 | trevarthan | derf: Kagu's version of acmonitor (minus a bunch of stuff that is inappropriate in kagu): https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/browser/trunk/maemo.py |
| 04:22.05 | `0660 | jga23, i think it was in the standard repository |
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| 04:35.22 | jga23 | thanks, I had to enable the red pill mode to get it |
| 04:35.36 | rik | hi. do we have a recommendation for a flckr bulk upload app for the n800 yet? i've just taken about 80photos i want to review and upload, |
| 04:36.04 | jga23 | I installed the docs, but I can't seem to find where they are |
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| 04:48.19 | jga23 | how do you install a deb file from the maemo scratchbox |
| 04:49.55 | jga23 | nevermind |
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| 06:35.49 | inz | rik, I think the only app doing flickr uploads is my screenshot-tool, but it doesn't do any other images |
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| 08:15.30 | GreySim | Hello, I just got a 770 for the first time tonight, and was wondering if anyone knew of any good beginners guides beyond the manual and whatnot? Stuff like how to interact with it through Gnome and what common third-party applications and repositories would be especially cool. |
| 08:15.51 | GreySim | *repositories there are |
| 08:19.14 | pupnik | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=26 'newbie' forums |
| 08:19.28 | GreySim | Sounds perfect. Thanks. |
| 08:19.30 | pupnik | http://maemo.org/ software |
| 08:20.05 | pupnik | cn)] [Act: 1,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11] |
| 08:20.05 | pupnik | [#maemo] |
| 08:20.23 | pupnik | http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo-2-2--gregale-.html |
| 08:20.26 | pupnik | sources |
| 08:20.50 | pupnik | (will ask for your serial/validation number) |
| 08:21.52 | pupnik | hmm gregale was 'wrong' sorry |
| 08:23.40 | pupnik | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories |
| 08:23.47 | pupnik | that's what i wanted - scroll down to OS 2007 |
| 08:23.50 | pupnik | that's what i wanted - scroll down to OS 2006 |
| 08:26.09 | pupnik | ARBEITEN!!! |
| 08:26.11 | pupnik | <crack!> |
| 08:26.14 | pupnik | http://pupnik.de/arbeiten.gif |
| 08:26.16 | pupnik | ARBEITEN!!! |
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| 08:37.51 | moox | hi there. Is it possible to get skype working on a 770 ? |
| 08:38.38 | guru3 | i don't think so because the codecs don't exist compiled for the platform |
| 08:38.48 | guru3 | but i've not really been paying attention so don't take my word for it |
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| 08:39.39 | moox | ok |
| 08:40.24 | moox | I had during several weeks a 770 and now, I'm interested by the n800. Should I wait a while for a possible n800 release ? |
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| 08:51.40 | rittyan | Good time of day. Maybe somebody knows where can I get 'glade'? I am trying to run kiwi but it complains about glade. Also it suggest package named 'glade' but I cannot find it |
| 08:52.08 | moox | rittyan: what distrib ? |
| 08:53.09 | rittyan | moox, eh, I don't know... maemo something. Where can I see it? |
| 08:54.19 | rittyan | I use last nokia n800 firmware |
| 08:54.34 | rittyan | maybe it will give you some hint |
| 08:55.41 | moox | rittyan: sorry, I can't help you . I thought it was for your desktop computer. |
| 08:58.01 | rittyan | I thought it is #maemo channel :p |
| 09:00.19 | pupnik | rittyan: you might need to search for libglade |
| 09:00.40 | pupnik | apt-cache search libglade |
| 09:00.41 | pupnik | libglade2-0 - Library to load .glade files at runtim |
| 09:01.03 | pupnik | pool/bora/free/libg/libglade2-0_2.4.0-1osso2_armel.deb |
| 09:01.10 | pupnik | apt-get install libglade2-0 |
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| 09:02.45 | pupnik | fastest snes9x emu ever for Nokia 770 |
| 09:02.55 | pupnik | time ./squidgesnes ct.smc |
| 09:03.05 | pupnik | Command terminated by signal 11 |
| 09:03.05 | pupnik | real 0m 0.18s |
| 09:05.01 | GreySim | Is it actually playable on a 770? |
| 09:05.17 | pupnik | it crashes immediately :) |
| 09:05.23 | GreySim | Oh, right. |
| 09:05.29 | GreySim | Heh. |
| 09:07.25 | rittyan | pupnik, I already have it installed |
| 09:07.53 | rittyan | pupnik, and also gajim (python app which uses glade) is able to start.. however kiwi framework complains :( |
| 09:08.26 | rittyan | sorry, going to lunch break... cya in 1-1,5h |
| 09:08.34 | pupnik | no idea rittyan |
| 09:08.42 | rittyan | :/ okay |
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| 09:10.57 | moox | It is possible to use google apps with the n800 ? calendar, reader, docs ? |
| 09:11.43 | sxpert-work | moox: should be. try it :D |
| 09:11.48 | sxpert-work | and report how it goes |
| 09:12.17 | sxpert-work | last I checked, google maps was functionnal (with some limits, no dragging of the map) |
| 09:12.23 | sxpert-work | on my 770 |
| 09:12.53 | moox | sxpert-work: hehe I don't have n800 nor 770 |
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| 09:17.14 | pupnik | trevarthan: some good info in doc/porting.html .. i haven't gone through it all yet |
| 09:26.34 | lardman | morning all |
| 09:26.58 | moox | hi |
| 09:31.52 | moox | so nobody has tried google calendar on its own n800 ? |
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| 09:47.37 | GreySim | Seemingly does not work on the 770. |
| 09:47.49 | GreySim | Not with Opera anyway. |
| 09:52.21 | Veggen | moox: It's rumored not to work well. |
| 09:53.14 | moox | Veggen: snif |
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| 09:56.00 | GreySim | Maybe with the new Mozilla browser? |
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| 10:27.29 | ffoegboy | Im looking at purchasing a N800 but I live in Australia and it doesnt look like they will ever be released here. I will have to import one. Does anybody know if you can connect a USB to the N800? |
| 10:29.13 | inz | a USB what? |
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| 10:30.25 | nomis | ffoegboy: you can connect the N800 to a USB out of the box, but having the N800 provide an USB is more tricky (but apparently possible) |
| 10:31.07 | ffoegboy | nomis, Thanks, are you happy with your unit? |
| 10:32.02 | nomis | ffoegboy: yeah, I am more interested in it from a developer point of view though. |
| 10:33.24 | ffoegboy | nomis, OK, I just play around with Linux, but can see the n800 would be good at work as I travel all the time. I would want to show customers drawings , brochures, pictures etc. Do you think it would be OK for that? |
| 10:34.22 | nomis | ffoegboy: yeah. If you have very complex PDFs it might be a tad slow, but it should be reasonable. |
| 10:34.41 | nomis | ffoegboy: if you want to have it for presenting something to your customer you should consider something with a bigger screen though. |
| 10:34.48 | guardian | is it possible to install cjk system fonts on the n800 ??? |
| 10:35.01 | Gathaja | is there some nice way to run some time consuming task so that it won't stop whole program without using threads? I mean like some Glib function that runs function in a thread and emits event when it's ready |
| 10:35.33 | ffoegboy | nomis, speed is not such an issue, just clarity of image. (I only show to 1 or 2 customers at a time) larger presentations I use a projector and laptop |
| 10:35.33 | rittyan | how I can contact maintainers of maemo/extras repository? |
| 10:36.13 | konttori | http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/ |
| 10:36.14 | nomis | Gathaja: without using threads (and without using multiple processes) the only thing I can think of is to work on your problem in small chunks and register the small-chunk-function as an idle function. |
| 10:36.20 | konttori | includes screenshot and video |
| 10:36.39 | roope | hello. |
| 10:36.55 | roope | oh, you did the thumb thingy, great. :) |
| 10:37.13 | konttori | roope: thanks to you! |
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| 10:37.40 | rittyan | I want to contact repository.maemo.org/extras maintainers. One deb seems to be broken, and maintainer field is wrong there. Would like to figure it out |
| 10:37.41 | konttori | roope: considering your position at nokia, any chance you could push for kinetic scrolling for the browser? |
| 10:38.10 | roope | konttori: well, um. Yes. We all love that kind of scrollin.g: ) |
| 10:38.33 | roope | The performance of scrolling a webpage like that has been problematic. Of course performance is always improving. |
| 10:38.39 | konttori | any specific reason why it hasn't found its way to the browser beta yet? |
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| 10:38.46 | konttori | ahh... true |
| 10:38.54 | ffoegboy | cya nomis i9m sure I will have some questions once I purchase one :-) |
| 10:38.56 | roope | Well, the browser beta UI was done similar to the previous browser UI. |
| 10:39.09 | roope | There wasn't really time to make UI improvements yet, they first wanted to just make the basic thing work. |
| 10:39.26 | roope | But I'm pretty sure nobody is opposing that idea. It's just not there yet. |
| 10:39.28 | konttori | maybe you could take just a little more memory and render a larger portion of the page to a buffer. |
| 10:39.29 | nomis | konttori: that looks sweet. |
| 10:39.40 | konttori | it seems to now render just a little more than is visible to the buffer. |
| 10:39.45 | konttori | thanks |
| 10:41.44 | konttori | roope: sounds great that you are working toward it. I was stunned how great it worked on the device once I tested it. |
| 10:42.07 | roope | It's clearly something I'm at least pushing towards, as well as tigert is. |
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| 10:42.27 | Gathaja | nomis: okay, thanks |
| 10:42.30 | roope | Basically you can remove scrollbars completely. Just leave tiny scroll position indicators, if you want. |
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| 10:52.01 | konttori | roope: I agree. And that indicator can for example disappear when there is no pressure on the screen. (ok, the current on should probably do that as well in my opinion, but that's just me). |
| 10:52.21 | roope | or be transparent. ;) |
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| 10:52.31 | konttori | indeed |
| 10:52.32 | roope | anyway, yes. there's a lot of stuff going on. |
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| 10:53.12 | konttori | ahh great to hear that. |
| 10:54.19 | konttori | You know, when I implemented the two column view, I realized that the song button designs were really similar to rpg games bubbles (especially the selected one)... Almost like playing FF... ;) Anyway, they look great. thanks again for those. |
| 10:55.27 | zodttd | Speaking of playing FF (FF7) ...I'm really getting interested in getting a N800 for porting my high performance PSX emu to it. |
| 10:55.55 | konttori | is it arm optimized? |
| 10:55.57 | zodttd | Can you hook up a usb joypad or use a touchscreen for additional less used buttons? |
| 10:55.59 | zodttd | Yes |
| 10:56.06 | zodttd | I wrote an arm dynarec for it :) |
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| 10:56.37 | konttori | sounds great. Do you think the arm in n800 has enough juice for it? |
| 10:56.46 | zodttd | It's called psx4all and is focused on getting going on the GP2X. I just got a fullspeed game with sound on it at a 266MHz ARM920T |
| 10:56.58 | GreySim | Whoever was asking about Google Calendar earlier, it works in Minimo on a 770 flashed with 2007. |
| 10:57.02 | konttori | Anyway, I hope that the next device will have proper dpad (for any meaningfull gaming experience) |
| 10:57.25 | roope | Well. Devices like Nintendo DS give a good gaming experience just on a touch screen. |
| 10:57.35 | roope | It really just depends on ... how you design it. |
| 10:57.49 | roope | For a touch screen device imho the games should really be designed for touch scree nuse. |
| 10:57.52 | konttori | perhaps you should buy a 770 immediately. They cost like 100 $ and have pretty much the same speed as n800 has |
| 10:58.01 | zodttd | Abe's Oddysee runs fullspeed with sound. FF7 runs well, Wipeout XL is playable but slightly slow, and games like Strikers 1945, Kula World, and a handful others are extremely close to fullspeed if not fullspeed with sound in the last psx4gp2x build |
| 10:58.11 | konttori | roope: but for using e.g. for emulators. |
| 10:58.24 | zodttd | konttori: I was going to get a N770, but I heard from pupnik that the N800 has twice the performance for his ports |
| 10:58.26 | roope | yes, well. that's true. |
| 10:58.43 | roope | there's the gp2x. |
| 10:59.15 | zodttd | The GP2X is pretty shoddy in terms of build quality to be honest |
| 10:59.22 | konttori | roope: also the device would benefit anyway if it had a good dpad. It's not like it would hurt the device in any way. |
| 10:59.38 | roope | Well. Any key takes space from the device. |
| 11:00.02 | konttori | even the current is semi-ok if you glue something to it to raise the four direction buttons above the middle button. |
| 11:00.16 | roope | A dpad especially. Takes like ... 1.6 cm more space. |
| 11:00.38 | konttori | roope: are you guys considering of dropping it altogether. |
| 11:00.50 | zodttd | The iStation V43 PMP has an adapter that wraps around the handheld with a full joypad |
| 11:00.52 | konttori | cause that I can understand, what I can't is to have a bad dpad |
| 11:01.30 | roope | Well, I can't really comment on that. But we consider many things of course. |
| 11:01.38 | roope | The current one is quite bad, I do agree on that. |
| 11:02.05 | edt | personally I would like a larger screen (not necessarily higher resolution). I am nearing 50 and all that small text is a strain on the eyes... |
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| 11:03.16 | edt | I would not mind something that was all screen with just zoom and power buttons on top. the rest of the buttons can be done in software... |
| 11:03.25 | konttori | Being totally non-nokian, I can probably voice my wild guess that that might be happening in the future (as maemo seems to be moving away from resolution dependence) |
| 11:03.32 | roope | if you look at something like the iphone for instance, it has no dpad. |
| 11:03.38 | roope | cause the touch screen interactions are really good. |
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| 11:04.35 | roope | dpad on a touch screen device is kind of ... it's a interesting question. kind of a cop-out. |
| 11:05.11 | zottd | It's also useful |
| 11:05.21 | zottd | The Zaurus has one btw :) |
| 11:05.35 | konttori | so-and-so. It's good for some interactions. But I agree that it's not a vital one. |
| 11:05.49 | roope | It has some interesting implications also. For instance consider the focus element. |
| 11:06.03 | zottd | For gaming and/or menu systems, a dpad helps a lot |
| 11:06.03 | roope | All lists must have a focus element since you need to be able to move it with the dpad. |
| 11:06.14 | zottd | true |
| 11:06.17 | roope | if there's no dpad, there's no need to have initial focus. that moves from two taps to select to one tap to tselec.t |
| 11:06.20 | konttori | Again, if you do have it (and it's a good one), it will allow better interaction on some applications and touch screen |
| 11:06.24 | roope | with a focus the first tap just moves the focus. |
| 11:06.35 | zottd | My emulator wants the dpad :P |
| 11:06.36 | roope | well, depending on the design, of course, but. |
| 11:07.05 | roope | However, I'm not saying that we would be dropping it. I'm not saying anything. :) |
| 11:07.11 | konttori | roope: true. Otoh, it's a application based decision whether to support the dpad or not. |
| 11:07.36 | konttori | roope: we hear you! |
| 11:07.39 | roope | Not having it makes things kind of simpler to design. You don't need to worrya about it. |
| 11:08.24 | roope | Anyways. the iphone has lots of interesting stuff there. |
| 11:08.43 | konttori | have you been playing a lot with iphone? |
| 11:08.50 | roope | No. :/ |
| 11:09.16 | konttori | grr... it's great anyway that they have good videos demonstrating the device |
| 11:09.16 | roope | For instance no check boxes and radio buttons. That's quite nice. |
| 11:09.30 | roope | they don't really work on a fingerable touch screen, so they just don't use them. That's really niec design. |
| 11:10.05 | konttori | They use just a select item instead? |
| 11:10.20 | roope | they have these nice flick switches for some checkboxes. |
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| 11:45.22 | V-I-P | hey guys, quick question: do you think my girlfriend put too much adsense on her lasiksite http://www.lasikreport.de ? |
| 11:50.02 | Fatal | wouldn't know, adsense is blocked here |
| 11:50.45 | V-I-P | k |
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| 12:36.49 | Tili | hi |
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| 12:39.50 | Tili | what is most favorite distro for maemo development |
| 12:39.59 | Tili | Debian? version? |
| 12:40.25 | celesteh | not OS X, that's for sure :( |
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| 12:59.34 | frob | sardine is for 770 only ? |
| 12:59.45 | guardian | i made an installer package for my application |
| 12:59.54 | guardian | following debian tutorials etc |
| 13:00.14 | guardian | now, how can i change this so that my binary executable is also shipped with a shared library it depends on |
| 13:00.29 | guardian | so that in the end, i have a single package to install (the shared library is mine aswell) |
| 13:01.29 | Veggen | you don't do it like that, normally. |
| 13:01.46 | Veggen | You'll make a separate package, and make it depend on it. |
| 13:02.20 | Veggen | Unless it's unthinkable that anything will ever use it without using your binary executable also. |
| 13:02.41 | guardian | it's unthinkable |
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| 13:27.32 | inz | frob, nope, sardine "works" on N800 |
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| 13:38.38 | _Shurik_ | *YAAAAAWWWNNN* |
| 13:41.55 | timeless | guardian: yes, you can install cjk fonts. |
| 13:41.56 | timeless | konttori/roope: what's kinetic scrolling? |
| 13:42.34 | guardian | timeless: is there a package by chance ? i noticed there is maemo-cjk on garage but it replaces the input method aswell :( |
| 13:42.43 | timeless | no clue, no care :) |
| 13:42.49 | guardian | ok |
| 13:42.50 | _Shurik_ | quiver scolling |
| 13:42.54 | timeless | ? |
| 13:43.13 | konttori | kinetic scrolling is like the one in iphone |
| 13:43.32 | timeless | sorry, some of us haven't spent enough time watching iphone demos |
| 13:43.34 | konttori | it's skrolling that continues even after you have removed your finger from the screen. Keeps momentum |
| 13:43.38 | _Shurik_ | when image bumps into the edge of the screen, you actually feel it |
| 13:43.56 | konttori | Have a look at the demo video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFyJy3_uUGw&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fkonttoristhoughts%2Eblogspot%2Ecom%2F2007%2F07%2Fukmp%2D15%2Dis%2Dout%2Dand%2Dits%2Dlooking%2Dsweet%2Ehtml |
| 13:44.10 | konttori | Sorry: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFyJy3_uUGw |
| 13:44.16 | timeless | hrm, i should install the flv player |
| 13:44.41 | konttori | use uktube ;) |
| 13:44.45 | timeless | is flvplay a fairly standard app for windows? |
| 13:44.50 | timeless | what's uktube? |
| 13:45.10 | konttori | allows you to play youtube videos on your n800 in fullscreen with full fps |
| 13:45.21 | timeless | i'm running windows... |
| 13:45.21 | konttori | uses mplayer to play the video. |
| 13:45.41 | konttori | ahh... well, you probably have flash then on your system, so no need to download any softare |
| 13:45.48 | timeless | um |
| 13:45.57 | timeless | just because i have windows doesn't mean i want falsh |
| 13:46.07 | timeless | silly users |
| 13:47.38 | konttori | Well, install uktube on your device and use that to see the video |
| 13:47.47 | _Shurik_ | timeless: I hope you're not running windows on n800 *gasp* |
| 13:48.25 | timeless | notepad.exe is better than /usr/bin/osso-notes |
| 13:50.43 | konttori | well, there are so many better notepads for windows than just notepad. |
| 13:50.56 | _Shurik_ | texpad |
| 13:51.11 | timeless | at least notepad doesn't generate files with   all over them ... |
| 13:51.22 | konttori | anyway. if you don't like flash on your system, that's your call. But it's quite an odd decision these days. |
| 13:51.48 | konttori | if you want a decent notepad on the n800, use leafpad. it's pretty good |
| 13:51.49 | ||cw | notepad.exe cna't save formated text in html format |
| 13:52.06 | ||cw | timeless: so turn off html if you don't want it |
| 13:52.07 | timeless | notes can't either |
| 13:52.22 | timeless | the input was from browser, the output was garbage |
| 13:52.45 | ||cw | menu, format, file format, plain text |
| 13:52.52 | timeless | i know |
| 13:52.55 | timeless | note that it doesn't persist |
| 13:53.00 | timeless | totally useless |
| 13:53.14 | timeless | oh, and it doesn't understand that text files are supposed to have a newline before eof |
| 13:53.43 | _Shurik_ | they do? |
| 13:53.53 | ||cw | that's application specific |
| 13:53.58 | _Shurik_ | :) |
| 13:59.29 | alterego | They do? |
| 13:59.41 | alterego | I thought that was just C source files :P |
| 13:59.55 | timeless | nothing else matters :) |
| 13:59.58 | trevarthan | konttori: congrats on ukmp 1.5: It looks great! |
| 14:00.29 | disq | they trev |
| 14:00.52 | trevarthan | hey disq. you check out the battery/screen monitor code yet? |
| 14:00.59 | konttori | thanks! |
| 14:01.08 | disq | great job on that one |
| 14:01.10 | disq | didn't test it yet tho |
| 14:01.18 | timeless | so, back to this strange scrolling stuff |
| 14:01.26 | timeless | would you expect it to apply to the platform |
| 14:01.30 | timeless | or just a single application |
| 14:01.33 | timeless | if so, why? |
| 14:01.37 | trevarthan | disq: as usual, I'll be tweaking it. I'm not quite happy with it yet. |
| 14:02.00 | disq | i was just telling konttori how obsessively clean your code is :) |
| 14:02.24 | _Shurik_ | beware of the clean code |
| 14:02.26 | trevarthan | oooo.. "obsessively clean". Yeah, I guess that describes it well. |
| 14:02.36 | trevarthan | sounds awefully harsh though. |
| 14:02.42 | disq | hey, i'm happy with it |
| 14:03.27 | _Shurik_ | brb, gotta go send off my dead 8 gig SD for a replacement |
| 14:04.10 | _Shurik_ | new one will definitely live in mmc2... |
| 14:04.35 | frob | sardine is for 770 only ? |
| 14:05.16 | trevarthan | disq: I wanted to wait until we had song bookmarking support to make a release, but I'm thinking we might want to spend a bit of time cleaning up the buttons (the way we discussed), and kagu-scanner.py (also the way we discussed) and then go for a release. I don't think bookmarking is going to be straight forward as we're going to have to hack mplayer. I wanted to add gst support before we released, but seeing as how ukmp requires mpla |
| 14:05.36 | inz | frob, 16:27 < inz> frob, nope, sardine "works" on N800 |
| 14:05.49 | disq | trevarthan: doesn't ukmp require mplayer only for video support? |
| 14:06.05 | trevarthan | dunno. maybe. is that true konttori? |
| 14:06.11 | frob | inz: oh, sorry, what's the difference between sardine and chinook then ? |
| 14:06.14 | disq | trevarthan: also should add a check to see if mplayer launch fails (no mplayer, or broken mplayer, etc) |
| 14:06.17 | whaq_ | sound bookmarking? is that for audiobook and the likes? |
| 14:06.26 | disq | audiobooks and podcasts yeah |
| 14:06.30 | konttori | yeah. nothing else uses mplayer |
| 14:06.33 | whaq_ | sweet |
| 14:06.44 | konttori | and it's really only there because uktube needs mplayer |
| 14:06.52 | inz | frob, sardine is always unstable (compare to debian sid), chinook will be the next stable |
| 14:06.59 | trevarthan | disq: well, if we required mplayer in the .deb, wouldn't that be enough? |
| 14:07.33 | disq | trevarthan: if gst support is not in, yeah it will be enough. not a good idea after gst is supported tho |
| 14:07.40 | trevarthan | I suppose I could attack the gst code ASAP. It's just going to take some rearranging to satisfy my obsession for clean code. |
| 14:07.48 | trevarthan | right |
| 14:07.51 | gpd | [random: what do people suggest as a phone to pair with N800?] |
| 14:08.00 | _Shurik_ | btw, why python, why not c? |
| 14:08.02 | frob | inz: so.. packages built on sardine may not even run outside of scratchbox? (say, on a n800 device) |
| 14:08.13 | frob | s/may/might/ |
| 14:08.15 | disq | clean code is good, it's easy to tell people to "send in a patch" when the code is clean |
| 14:08.27 | inz | frob, currently sardine and chinook are pretty much the same, but that may (and will) change in the future |
| 14:08.29 | trevarthan | The only reason why I'm debating gst at all is because bookmarking will probably require mplayer. I won't be able to hack gst, I think. |
| 14:08.51 | konttori | it's really no problem seeking in gst. |
| 14:09.01 | trevarthan | konttori: have you added disq's scrobbler patch yet? That thing is awesome. |
| 14:09.08 | konttori | so, just store the bookmark location and then when opening the file, seek to the location |
| 14:09.13 | disq | trevarthan: isn't bookmarking just a seek()? |
| 14:09.16 | konttori | scrobbler? |
| 14:09.38 | disq | konttori: remember, we had a mail conversation |
| 14:09.52 | konttori | yeah, but what is scrobbler? |
| 14:09.52 | inz | frob, so the packages built with sardine may or may not run elsewhere ;) |
| 14:09.55 | trevarthan | konttori: does gst get the file length correct with VBR mp3 files? Does it seek to the correct absolute second with VBR mp3? |
| 14:09.57 | frob | inz: I see, my problem is that I *need* a decent dbus version (1.x) and I *need* the rtcom (rtcom.garage.maemo.org) dev packages, and at least the first seems to be available on chinook |
| 14:10.07 | konttori | trevarthan: seems like it does |
| 14:10.36 | frob | inz: if I build a package agains dbus 1.0 on chinook, I *will not* run on the device, is that correct? |
| 14:10.51 | disq | konttori: scrobbling is basicly reporting the current playing song/artist to the web. check out audioscrobbler.net and last.fm for detailed explanations/examples |
| 14:10.51 | inz | frob, unless you install dbus 1.0 on the device |
| 14:10.56 | trevarthan | well, that's worth a look then. I'll check gst out. If it can help me avoid hacking mplayer then I'm all for it. We could use mplayer for A2DP, and gst for everything else. |
| 14:10.57 | inz | frob, which may break other things |
| 14:11.08 | konttori | ahh... that one. Ok, now I remember. It needed osso, right? |
| 14:11.27 | disq | konttori: yeah, for dbus calls |
| 14:11.41 | konttori | And I said that I'll look into it as soon as I get the osso integration running. |
| 14:11.45 | konttori | Well, I haven't done that yet |
| 14:11.48 | disq | konttori: if you lost the mail the patch is also somewhere in the ukmp garage tracker |
| 14:11.49 | konttori | maybe tomorrow |
| 14:11.55 | frob | thank you inz |
| 14:12.27 | trevarthan | konttori: example of what maemoscrobbler does: http://www.last.fm/user/trevarthan/ |
| 14:12.29 | frob | now, is there anybody from nokia who knows when the rtcom dev packages will be available ? |
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| 14:13.39 | konttori | trevarthan: looks nice. (just as I thought it would). |
| 14:14.07 | konttori | trevarthan: any new screenshots of your music player? |
| 14:14.59 | trevarthan | konttori: https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/timeline |
| 14:15.06 | trevarthan | screenshots link there. |
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| 14:16.10 | trevarthan | it admittedly doesn't look anywhere near as good as ukmp right now. That's why I want to make a release soon. Maybe we can enlist someone with some graphics talent. I have little to none. |
| 14:16.43 | trevarthan | konttori: oops, wrong url. here: https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/wiki |
| 14:16.47 | trevarthan | sorry. |
| 14:16.54 | disq | trevarthan: btw, why https? |
| 14:17.24 | trevarthan | passwords. |
| 14:17.49 | inz | Why not only pass passwords over https? |
| 14:17.51 | frob | another question, is anybody writing extensions for the microb browser ? |
| 14:18.05 | trevarthan | I could probably work it out so anonymous access goes over http, but I just haven't bothered. Is there a good reason to? |
| 14:18.21 | timeless | frob: the wonderful thing about extensions is there's virtually no coordination |
| 14:18.32 | Veggen | trevarthan: ssl costs more resources. |
| 14:18.51 | trevarthan | They're my resources though. I don't mind. :) |
| 14:18.52 | disq | trevarthan: and speed. btw, the code works fine, what aspect of it are you not happy with? |
| 14:18.53 | timeless | it makes normal open source development's lack of coordination seem nonexistent or something |
| 14:19.04 | disq | or seems to work fine anyway |
| 14:19.28 | trevarthan | disq: it isn't doing anything special with the dimmed state. |
| 14:19.29 | inz | trevarthan, you should give links as https://guardiani.us/ at least, one annoying dialog less that way |
| 14:19.33 | Veggen | trevarthan: well, half of it at least. THe other half is all your clients :) |
| 14:19.34 | trevarthan | I intend to fix that. |
| 14:19.42 | frob | timeless: so that's a yes or a no? :) |
| 14:20.06 | timeless | i'm trying to bribe someone to port a certain extension i use |
| 14:20.06 | trevarthan | inz: or fix my cert. |
| 14:20.23 | timeless | working on finding a way to use someone else's resources for the bribery |
| 14:20.37 | disq | timeless: any way to get microb to use another font as default? times new roman is everywhere |
| 14:20.38 | frob | timeless: it wasn't very clear :) |
| 14:20.51 | timeless | disq: userContent.css |
| 14:20.59 | timeless | or prefs.js |
| 14:21.01 | inz | trevarthan, wildcards rule, ok? |
| 14:21.03 | frob | timeless: what extension is it ? |
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| 14:21.17 | timeless | we should post an updated release relatively shortly |
| 14:21.19 | trevarthan | inz: yeah. good point. |
| 14:21.28 | timeless | once the localizers fix the translations to not be broken... |
| 14:21.46 | frob | timeless: is it possible to use microb in scratchbox ? |
| 14:21.57 | timeless | yes |
| 14:22.01 | trevarthan | I might just buy a professional cert now that I'm getting some traffic. I haven't been important enough before. :) |
| 14:22.05 | timeless | most people do work that way |
| 14:22.34 | timeless | the only annoying part for setting up a dev env is you need to add a debian or ubuntu repo to get 3 missing dev packages |
| 14:22.35 | disq | trevarthan: i would get a 770 instead :P |
| 14:22.39 | frob | timeless: I tried to build it but hit a wall, then tried to apt-get it and hit another one, what's wrong with me? :( |
| 14:22.50 | frob | argh |
| 14:23.07 | frob | why isn't it written anywhere? :\ |
| 14:23.11 | timeless | they're libidl-dev, quilt, bc |
| 14:23.37 | timeless | today i was supposed to setup some sort of blog like software |
| 14:23.39 | frob | timeless: oh those, but I built them from source and dpkg-buildpackaged with -d |
| 14:23.53 | inz | trevarthan, (my https-cert has hostname "*" ;) |
| 14:23.57 | trevarthan | disq: I could probably get a deal on one. I used to work for a small ISP... |
| 14:23.57 | guardian | i'm printing debug messages using g_debug. do you know if there is a compile flag that would strip those g_debug invocations ??? |
| 14:24.10 | frob | timeless: I was missing sources for libgtkadi |
| 14:24.13 | timeless | guardian: fairly certain there is.. |
| 14:24.32 | timeless | oh, that's on sourceforge |
| 14:24.37 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:24.39 | frob | that's an old one |
| 14:24.40 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:24.48 | frob | doesn't build :( |
| 14:24.48 | timeless | frob: that's what we use |
| 14:24.52 | frob | mmm |
| 14:24.54 | timeless | err... |
| 14:25.20 | guardian | but g_debug uses g_log |
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| 14:25.33 | guardian | and i found nothing or i missed it |
| 14:25.46 | frob | timeless: but since it took me a night to build microb-engine and I'm not going to do it again, how can I get it using apt's superpowers ? |
| 14:25.58 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:25.58 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:26.00 | guardian | gonna test G_DISABLE_DEBUG |
| 14:26.05 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:26.05 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:26.06 | disq | trevarthan: i had a 1km wireless link from the isp i worked. using indoor access points outdoors. real nice. :P (wrt54g and openwrt) |
| 14:26.17 | timeless | sorry, you want G_DEBUG_DISABLE |
| 14:26.23 | guardian | seems so |
| 14:26.28 | guardian | thank you |
| 14:26.40 | timeless | guardian: sorry, too many words on the screen |
| 14:26.45 | frob | disq: I'm using a 200m wireless link, indoors :D |
| 14:26.56 | timeless | frob: i'm not a friend of apt |
| 14:27.03 | frob | sigh :\ |
| 14:27.16 | timeless | in fact, other than abusing it heavily in order to make the cross reference that let me answer guardian's question |
| 14:27.18 | timeless | i hate its guts |
| 14:27.29 | frob | fair enough |
| 14:27.31 | timeless | (literally, i spend too much time reading it when it crashes) |
| 14:28.36 | frob | unfortunately I need to make a binary xpcom component for an extension, and it needs dbus 1.0, and a) I'm not an xpcom expert b) maemo is stuck with an ancient dbus |
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| 14:28.49 | timeless | i'll help w/ xpcom |
| 14:28.56 | timeless | you have 7 mins before i walk out the door |
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| 14:29.52 | frob | ok, very quickie, what libraries do I need to link my *so against, and how can I test if it works |
| 14:30.10 | frob | regxpcom seems to fail, but xpcom.log is empty |
| 14:30.12 | timeless | if done right, xpcomglue and maybe nspr |
| 14:30.15 | timeless | regxpcom is obsolete |
| 14:30.19 | timeless | we shouldn't be shipping it :) |
| 14:30.24 | timeless | (we ship lots of junk) |
| 14:30.26 | frob | grrr |
| 14:30.48 | frob | so how do I test it? |
| 14:30.51 | timeless | if you build --enable-debug you can use NSPR_LOG_MODULES=all:5 or nsComponentLoader:5 (check the source for the right log module) |
| 14:31.21 | frob | if I build microb-engine with that flag, right? |
| 14:31.39 | timeless | nsComponentManager:5 sorry :) |
| 14:31.49 | timeless | um, again, i'm not a fan of apt |
| 14:31.57 | frob | np :) |
| 14:32.04 | timeless | basically get a normal mozilla buildtree |
| 14:32.14 | timeless | change the mozconfig to include ac_add_options --enable-debug |
| 14:32.25 | timeless | and don't bother using dpkg/make install |
| 14:32.35 | timeless | use ./run-mozilla.sh ./TestGtkEmbed for basic testing |
| 14:32.50 | frob | mmm, I was getting the svn tree from browser.garage.maemo.org |
| 14:32.53 | timeless | hrm, include GRE_HOME=. and USE_LOCAL_GRE=1 in your env before running that |
| 14:33.49 | timeless | that doesn't give you a source tree directly |
| 14:34.00 | frob | timeless: I think you should write this down somewhere sometime :) I mean, nokia made browser available for us to fiddle with it, but with no instructions about how to do that :\ |
| 14:34.02 | timeless | it gives you the ability to use debian commands to accidentally get a source tree |
| 14:34.17 | timeless | frob: it's on my ever growing todo list |
| 14:34.20 | frob | timeless: it's enough for me :) |
| 14:34.28 | disq | trevarthan: ok so i'm looking into the packaging today. now in fact. now let me get the python packaging tutorial |
| 14:34.48 | timeless | anyway, basically use dpkg-buildpackage once long enough to get a source tree and a build-tree |
| 14:34.53 | timeless | then forget it exists |
| 14:35.07 | timeless | and use mozilla.org instructions to change the mozconfig |
| 14:35.25 | frob | do you suggest using trunk or the last tag from garage? |
| 14:35.31 | timeless | trunk |
| 14:35.34 | timeless | only the trunk matters |
| 14:35.42 | frob | yeah :D |
| 14:35.54 | timeless | there's actually one possible crash floating around in trunk, but i'm not sure if the tags are recent enough to be helpful |
| 14:36.00 | trevarthan | disq: you're the man! |
| 14:36.03 | timeless | http://swift/world/source/garage/browser/mozilla/trunk/microb-engine/microb-engine/ |
| 14:36.04 | frob | ick :\ |
| 14:36.25 | timeless | anyway, your time's pretty much expired |
| 14:36.42 | frob | np, thanks anyway |
| 14:36.47 | timeless | NSPR_LOG_MODULES, USE_LOCAL_GRE, GRE_HOME, NSPR_LOG_FILE |
| 14:36.50 | timeless | all are googleable |
| 14:37.07 | timeless | when you start doing work, always use --enable-debug |
| 14:37.09 | milhouse | timess... there are reports of users being offered upgrades for browser-eal in the app manager even though microb isn't installed, is this a bug (in app manager/repositories)? |
| 14:37.15 | timeless | and be sure not to strip things |
| 14:37.19 | gpd | straw poll: how many people have heard of fon.com |
| 14:37.26 | timeless | milhouse: url? |
| 14:37.36 | frob | gpd: I think, everybody? |
| 14:37.37 | timeless | i'm not sure it's actually a bug |
| 14:37.54 | timeless | we do have a newer browser-eal because we changed things for the browser/opera connections |
| 14:37.57 | milhouse | timless: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8020 |
| 14:38.17 | gpd | frob: are you a member? (in the nicest way) |
| 14:38.21 | timeless | thanks |
| 14:38.29 | milhouse | timeless: seems upgrading those two components may have caused problems |
| 14:38.34 | frob | gpd: no, but many of my friends are |
| 14:38.59 | gpd | only just found it myself - - seems genius |
| 14:39.01 | frob | they all reflashed their routers tough :( |
| 14:39.15 | timeless | milhouse: thanks, i've sent a note to the app installer asking about it |
| 14:39.28 | timeless | and i'll read it tomorrow morning and see if it's something we should worry about |
| 14:39.36 | timeless | i'm 5mins from being late |
| 14:39.38 | gpd | frob: reflash? why? (/me googles) |
| 14:39.49 | timeless | actually, maybe i'm just plain late since i need to run home and get into fancy clothes |
| 14:39.52 | milhouse | thanks - i might miss you on here tomorrow, any chance you can post an update in that thread? |
| 14:40.15 | timeless | some chance, i'm personally anti blogging |
| 14:40.26 | frob | gpd: because the fon firmware has some features not everybody is happy with (the problem is that by doing it you're breaching their terms of service) |
| 14:40.32 | milhouse | hah, ok i'll try and catch up with here tomorrow :) |
| 14:40.51 | milhouse | s/with/with you/ |
| 14:41.08 | timeless | oh boy |
| 14:41.15 | timeless | a bot that speaks perl so i don't have to read it |
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| 14:42.09 | frob | how can someone who's *timeless* be *late* anyway? :D |
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| 14:50.03 | gpd | [random: what do people suggest as a phone to pair with N800?] |
| 14:50.42 | Veggen | gpd: Anyone with good data capabilities? |
| 14:50.44 | milhouse | Pretty much any Nokia or SonyEricsson should work |
| 14:51.01 | milhouse | Depends where you are... Europe? |
| 14:51.07 | gpd | UK |
| 14:51.16 | milhouse | in that case the world is your oyster :) |
| 14:51.25 | gpd | just want cheap - with obvious data and bluetooth |
| 14:51.26 | milhouse | Nokia N95 does 3.6Mb/s HSDPA |
| 14:51.36 | milhouse | cheap... N80? |
| 14:51.44 | milhouse | what network? |
| 14:51.53 | milhouse | obviously not O2 if you're interested in data |
| 14:51.54 | gpd | vodafone now - but could switch |
| 14:52.05 | milhouse | T-Mobile and 3 have the best data tariffs |
| 14:52.14 | milhouse | best and cheapest |
| 14:52.20 | gpd | can you buy the phones 'unlocked'? |
| 14:52.30 | gpd | and just stick a card in - or am I SOL on that |
| 14:52.42 | gpd | [I hate the carfone warehouse] |
| 14:52.42 | milhouse | not from t-mobile, but you they will give you the code to unlock for about ฃ20 |
| 14:53.02 | gpd | so nokia don't sell phones directly - with no carrier :( |
| 14:53.02 | milhouse | you can buy phones SIM free then stick a T-Mobile/3 SIM in it, sure - thats not a problem |
| 14:53.10 | gpd | ok - cook |
| 14:53.19 | milhouse | yes, that's not a problem |
| 14:53.25 | milhouse | they just cost a lot more :) |
| 14:53.44 | gpd | ebay here i come... |
| 14:54.19 | milhouse | good luck! and you might need it - choose carefully, you don't want a stolen phone :) |
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| 15:01.53 | gpd | bah - it seems that what I want (bluetooth and 3G) are still considered premium features and are reflected in the prices (/me forgetsaboutit) |
| 15:02.25 | Dasajev | Nokia 6151 |
| 15:02.45 | milhouse | gpd - you looking for contract or PAYG? |
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| 15:03.12 | gpd | payg - or very cheap - never use the phone itself |
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| 15:03.25 | milhouse | while Bluetooth is a common feature across most ranges, 3G does tend to attract a premium |
| 15:03.27 | gpd | fon looks entertaining - if there are enough hot spots in UK |
| 15:03.43 | milhouse | gpd: buggered if i've ever found any fon hotspots |
| 15:03.51 | gpd | meh |
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| 15:04.09 | NeoStrider | hey folks |
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| 15:05.14 | lardman | milhouse: Likewise, bring on free wifi (or any wifi for that matter) |
| 15:05.43 | milhouse | couldn't agree more, won't happen though (at least not in the UK) |
| 15:06.07 | NeoStrider | anyone noticed diferences in SDL applications stability on calling from console x opening from menu? |
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| 15:06.26 | lardman | I went to Portland, Oregon thinking that everywhere in the US had free wifi, but no, Nokia wasn't much use then |
| 15:06.28 | gpd | well something like fon or whisher might undercut the telecoms companies - esp if people get pissed off with the ridiculous charges |
| 15:07.03 | gpd | there are certrainly enough private wifis around - just that they are mostly locked in UK |
| 15:07.16 | lardman | It's also illegal to use them.... |
| 15:07.32 | milhouse | Sshhhh... ;) |
| 15:07.33 | gpd | you mean it breaks EULA of your ISP |
| 15:07.34 | lardman | :) |
| 15:08.51 | milhouse | Public Wifi's (Starbucks, Costa Coffee etc. etc.) are all run by different firms meaning you need an account with each (T-Mobile, BT, whatever)... that firm who were trying to pull it all together only had agreements in the US but it's a good idea |
| 15:09.37 | milhouse | however, a cheap 3G HSDPA data plan will almost always be better than WiFi even if someone manages to create a unified login/payment scheme |
| 15:10.05 | gpd | it would be good if the n800 could automatically hop onto free wifi as you wander about - download mail etc |
| 15:10.23 | milhouse | there's a rumour that 3 may be coming out with a ฃ10/month 10GB capped HSDPA data tariff... far cheaper and faster than most WiFi hotspots |
| 15:10.43 | milhouse | gpd - wasn't that what Park WiFi was about? |
| 15:11.16 | milhouse | gpd: http://parkwifi.nokia.com/ |
| 15:11.33 | milhouse | you installed a little status bar applet on the 770/N800 and it would scan for networks etc. |
| 15:12.11 | milhouse | US centric (NY centric to be honest - timed to coincide with the opening of the NY Nokia store) but might work anywhere |
| 15:12.15 | gpd | they must be phasing it out as there is no N800 client |
| 15:12.34 | milhouse | not sure if it's compatible with the latest N800 firmware though (might not need updating) |
| 15:13.46 | milhouse | try the 770 version, might work |
| 15:13.55 | gpd | just running it now |
| 15:14.04 | milhouse | true though - nokia do seem crap at keeping stuff up to date |
| 15:14.58 | gpd | well i ran it - but nothing changed |
| 15:15.19 | milhouse | you might need to enable the status bar applet in Control Panel -> Navigation ? |
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| 15:16.11 | gpd | no sign of one |
| 15:16.16 | milhouse | bummer |
| 15:16.23 | milhouse | i'll give it a go here on 4.2007 |
| 15:21.32 | milhouse | gpd - do you now have "ParkWifi Detector" available in the Extras menu? |
| 15:21.44 | gpd | yes |
| 15:22.03 | milhouse | i see what you mean - it does bugger all when you click it |
| 15:22.04 | gpd | but it does nothing - as does running the .sh file |
| 15:22.57 | milhouse | that sucks |
| 15:43.22 | lardman | Why have they done this park wifi thing? |
| 15:44.05 | lardman | Is it really Nokia only, or is it that they just supply some snazzy software to connect? |
| 15:52.19 | gpd | am I missing repository if I can't find rsync? |
| 15:52.42 | gpd | I compiled it myself - but now I can't find it |
| 15:52.54 | milhouse | lardman - it was when the Nokia NYC store opened |
| 15:53.05 | milhouse | Nokia had some WiFi networks set up in Central Park |
| 15:53.25 | milhouse | Can't remember when that happened, but obviously before the N800 arrived |
| 15:54.09 | lardman | milhouse: Ah, okay, I was wondering if it was a masterplan to take over the free wifi world |
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| 15:55.44 | gpd | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=37&release_id=443 <-- rsync but not in any of my repos |
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| 16:02.39 | zodttd | lol |
| 16:03.44 | dpb_ | http://porn.maemo.org/ ? |
| 16:04.16 | gpd | garbage.marmo.org is there... |
| 16:04.22 | zodttd | lol |
| 16:04.27 | zodttd | even better |
| 16:04.58 | gpd | interesting DNS |
| 16:05.07 | zodttd | yeah weird |
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| 16:27.12 | dpb_ | don't see anything weird about the dns.. they just have * in the zone file.. |
| 16:27.37 | dpb_ | anything.maemo.org will work |
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| 16:37.53 | ||cw | yeay for wildcards and default vhosts |
| 16:39.26 | milhouse | what the hell... i now need to accept a licence when upgrading to sardine |
| 16:39.45 | milhouse | and it's several pages of licence, then i need to type "i accept" at the end. pain in the arse |
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| 16:42.09 | bedboi | hi there. |
| 16:42.28 | bedboi | is there any MPEG decoder which uses the DSP? |
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| 17:10.14 | konttori | Have you people seen how archos handles flash movies? |
| 17:10.16 | konttori | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75wgtOxsgYY |
| 17:10.37 | konttori | It loads them automatically to the main video player (well, asks user first). |
| 17:10.54 | konttori | Really nice idea. I hope Nokia will adopt that as well. |
| 17:12.34 | milhouse | maybe a Mozilla browser extension could do it |
| 17:12.54 | milhouse | "View using Flash player or mplayer" |
| 17:13.22 | konttori | Indeed. |
| 17:13.47 | milhouse | off you go then :) |
| 17:13.53 | konttori | Anyway, considering archos device itself, it's a pretty sweet competitor to n800 |
| 17:13.54 | konttori | http://www.archos.com/store/index.html?country=dk&lang=en |
| 17:14.03 | milhouse | what browser is it using? |
| 17:14.08 | konttori | opera 9 |
| 17:14.23 | konttori | http://www.archos.com/products/gen_5/archos_605wifi/tech_specs.html?country=global&lang=en |
| 17:14.33 | konttori | 30 gigs hd |
| 17:14.37 | milhouse | looks quite slick but media players have never really appealed to me |
| 17:14.41 | konttori | in the cheapest model |
| 17:14.50 | konttori | 800x480 touch screen |
| 17:15.01 | konttori | 32 bit display |
| 17:15.08 | milhouse | so pretty similar to the n800 (better display even) |
| 17:15.28 | milhouse | linux? third party development? |
| 17:15.54 | milhouse | i bet it doesn't have sucky video bandwidth either :) |
| 17:16.16 | milhouse | oh right - 4m 40s into the youtube vid you can see the flash handling |
| 17:16.42 | konttori | I think it's done right in that device. |
| 17:16.54 | konttori | n800 should have exactly the same behaviour as default. |
| 17:18.02 | konttori | the 704 is pretty much the perfect internet tablet. It has 7" touch screen |
| 17:18.06 | milhouse | i don't think it should prompt, what it should do is show a Flash placeholder and you should have a pop out menu when you hold the stylus on the placeholder with options "Play with Flash player; Play with mplayer; Settings..." etc. |
| 17:18.31 | milhouse | Within Settings you can have "Don't ask me this again" |
| 17:18.32 | konttori | and also let you store it |
| 17:18.36 | konttori | true |
| 17:18.55 | milhouse | sometimes I go to a site I don't want to watch the video so it shouldn't interrupt me assuming i do want to watch it |
| 17:19.11 | milhouse | Flashblock has all the flash placeholder functionality already, and a popup menu |
| 17:19.27 | milhouse | assuming that can be ported to Microb, it may not be a fantastic leap to add Mplayer functionality as well |
| 17:20.08 | milhouse | what's the cpu in the archos btw? |
| 17:21.02 | milhouse | it seems quite nippy |
| 17:22.05 | milhouse | although their actual Flash player performance sucks as much as the N800s! |
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| 17:22.17 | cbx33 | can someone look at http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=351 |
| 17:22.35 | milhouse | you can see the flash player trying to play the youtube video at about 5m30s |
| 17:22.36 | cbx33 | make sure I havnt made any glaringly bad mistkes |
| 17:23.13 | milhouse | looks about the same low framerate we had with 2.2007 |
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| 17:39.03 | milhouse | christ... someone from archos is smart. search youtube for n800 and sort by date added, all you get is hits for the bl**dy archos! :) |
| 17:39.13 | milhouse | gits. |
| 17:40.27 | milhouse | ummm... frat boy with n800... is he wearing eye makeup?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FakitHLVqVg |
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| 17:46.07 | guardian_ | does application manager look into the same directory as the .deb file i'm installing manually to match dependencies ? |
| 17:48.29 | `0660 | the answer would be no to that question, but yes to the question you tried to ask |
| 17:49.28 | guardian_ | in fact i have 3 deb files that are private, not available on any repository anywhere |
| 17:49.30 | guardian_ | they depend on each other |
| 17:49.45 | guardian_ | so i guess they have to be installed in order , file by file |
| 17:49.51 | guardian_ | or is there a way to install them in a row ? |
| 17:51.39 | `0660 | probably there is, but why would you need it? |
| 17:52.01 | guardian_ | because it's closed source demo stuff etc etc and marketing says provide a nice installer |
| 17:52.18 | guardian_ | because you can't expect sales to untar the demo application through ssh |
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| 17:53.49 | `0660 | make your own public repository and provide a one click installation file? |
| 17:54.10 | guardian_ | i'm rather out of time :/ |
| 17:54.34 | guardian_ | and i'm not sure they would allow that |
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| 17:55.03 | guardian_ | or i'll make a dirty .deb that installs also the dependencies |
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| 18:18.51 | Jaffa | Evening, all |
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| 18:24.31 | bedboi | is dspmpeg4sink available for n800? |
| 18:26.45 | rhys | anyone else get problems when switching between opera windows on the n800 now/ |
| 18:27.05 | _Shurik_ | what sorts of problems? |
| 18:27.23 | rhys | they updated the engine, and ever since it locks up for a bit when i switch between mutliple webpages. not to mention i dont have an option to "open link in new page" anymore. its just open link |
| 18:28.29 | rhys | _Shurik_, when you have 2 web windows open, and go to switch between them, the window goes blank, then the window bar at the top just flicks between your two web windows, until you tap on it, then it will finnally switch properly. if you dont tap on the top bar of the web window, it will keep flicking like that indefinitly |
| 18:28.49 | rhys | does that explain it? |
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| 18:29.51 | _Shurik_ | yes, but I haven't seen this yet |
| 18:30.09 | _Shurik_ | was there engine update? I haven't done anything since last firmware |
| 18:30.11 | rhys | im curious if its a conflict with something else i have installed |
| 18:30.15 | _Shurik_ | well, except loosing 8gig SD |
| 18:30.29 | rhys | ooo. :( that has to suck. |
| 18:30.36 | rhys | no, in the application manager, there was an update. |
| 18:31.23 | _Shurik_ | rhys: well, I think I'm getting a replacement from newegg.com |
| 18:31.33 | _Shurik_ | so not too bad. Just need to make sure I'll keep it in mmc2 |
| 18:31.48 | rhys | did it fall out? |
| 18:31.58 | _Shurik_ | no, I used it in external slot |
| 18:32.14 | _Shurik_ | and it finally got FUBAR-ed |
| 18:32.34 | rhys | how? |
| 18:32.49 | _Shurik_ | new firmware is doing something wrong |
| 18:33.04 | _Shurik_ | and burning up high-cap SDs |
| 18:33.16 | _Shurik_ | lots of people are having problems |
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| 18:34.09 | rhys | you mean the shdc ones? mines a 4gb, which the older firmware even supported |
| 18:34.31 | _Shurik_ | right, you probaby have non hd |
| 18:34.36 | _Shurik_ | mine is |
| 18:34.38 | _Shurik_ | was |
| 18:34.38 | _Shurik_ | :) |
| 18:35.09 | _Shurik_ | and sdhc kernel with previous firmware had no problems with it. It's something new |
| 18:35.12 | rhys | :\ |
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| 18:35.48 | rhys | i personally dislike debian, and wonder why it wasnt based on something else. |
| 18:35.53 | rhys | but thats just me. |
| 18:36.20 | wumpus | well yeah they can hardly take all people their personal dislikes into account can they |
| 18:36.33 | rhys | otherwise, i quite like the nokia, this web thing im pretty sure is my fault. the only thing i would ask of nokia is support the 3d accel chip. |
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| 18:36.37 | rhys | wumpus, ofcourse. |
| 18:36.48 | _Shurik_ | I think it's fine |
| 18:36.53 | wumpus | a lot of people do like debian, otherwise it wouldn't be so popular |
| 18:37.01 | _Shurik_ | it does what it suppose to do |
| 18:37.03 | _Shurik_ | and even more |
| 18:37.23 | _Shurik_ | next version will surely give more options. If Nokia won't abandon this project |
| 18:37.23 | wumpus | and do you know a distribution with a better package system? |
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| 18:38.33 | rhys | wumpus, i love slackware. a package system to me should be simple. on an embedded device it apt shouldnt be needed. |
| 18:38.42 | rhys | but tbh, the only system that is better than apt is pacman |
| 18:39.05 | wumpus | well yeah slackware has a decent package system too |
| 18:39.26 | DaniloCesar | wumpus, Deb the better package system ever. But Maemo disappoint me sometimes because I can't use all the power of Debian's package system. For example, apt-get dist-upgrade do not upgrade my "firmware"... |
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| 18:39.45 | DaniloCesar | wumpus, * apt-get is the better.... |
| 18:39.45 | wumpus | it's so much like dpkg it could be a clone though :) |
| 18:39.56 | rhys | DaniloCesar, an embedded device isnt an OS. |
| 18:40.09 | wumpus | DaniloCesar: yep, I agree |
| 18:40.13 | rhys | doesnt take a full os* |
| 18:40.16 | wumpus | would be very nice if dist upgrade actually worked |
| 18:40.25 | wumpus | instead of having to clean up the entire device for an upgrade |
| 18:41.02 | _Shurik_ | I believe it's going to, no? |
| 18:41.35 | rhys | :\ |
| 18:41.51 | rhys | embedded. its not a fully computer |
| 18:42.48 | DaniloCesar | Would be very nice.... I'm tired of backup all my conf's before a N800 upgrade... And I always forget something... lol |
| 18:43.30 | _Shurik_ | well, I think it's a part of setup |
| 18:43.48 | _Shurik_ | if one doesn't like to set their system up - get an iPhone |
| 18:43.50 | _Shurik_ | it just works :) |
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| 18:44.09 | _Shurik_ | or leave updates alone :) |
| 18:44.42 | DaniloCesar | rhys, yes... We know... Tell me, Do you are a Nokia employee? |
| 18:44.49 | DaniloCesar | Iphone?!? lol... No thanks! |
| 18:44.53 | _Shurik_ | :)) |
| 18:45.15 | _Shurik_ | how much is Neo1973 btw? |
| 18:45.22 | DaniloCesar | Iphone does not have a gcc... World sucks without gcc.... |
| 18:45.27 | DaniloCesar | $ 300 |
| 18:45.39 | DaniloCesar | and development kit is about $ 450 |
| 18:45.40 | _Shurik_ | seems like interesting gizmo |
| 18:45.40 | rhys | me? no. |
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| 18:48.56 | _Shurik_ | so, gcc runs on n800? |
| 18:49.16 | sbaturzio | Aloha! |
| 18:49.18 | _Shurik_ | I'm looking to get into developing for n800, but still haven't gotten around grasping all the concepts |
| 18:50.14 | mgedmin | mmm, openmoko |
| 18:50.33 | DaniloCesar | _Shurik_, I don't know if gcc runs on N800. I'd never tried before. But it runs on MaemoSDK. So its fine for me... But, I think that compile things under n800 would not be a nice work... |
| 18:51.01 | _Shurik_ | right, so you still need to develop in sb |
| 18:51.14 | _Shurik_ | and apparently you can't really test it unless you deploy the damn thing :) |
| 18:51.18 | _Shurik_ | this is horrible :) |
| 18:51.45 | DaniloCesar | sb? |
| 18:51.55 | _Shurik_ | scratchbox |
| 18:51.56 | _Monkey | i think scratchbox is like the glue that ties it all together |
| 18:52.00 | DaniloCesar | ow... |
| 18:52.07 | _Shurik_ | sorry, I'm all over the place |
| 18:52.19 | _Shurik_ | so when I say something stupid, just smack me |
| 18:54.42 | DaniloCesar | _Monkey, I agree. |
| 18:54.42 | _Monkey | DaniloCesar: what? |
| 18:55.32 | _Shurik_ | so I really need to read everything from the start |
| 18:55.52 | _Shurik_ | also I'm wondering if there's any benefit in using python for any development |
| 18:56.16 | _Shurik_ | apparently apps can be coded faster |
| 18:56.17 | DaniloCesar | _Shurik_, I using python to do something now.... |
| 18:56.35 | _Shurik_ | DaniloCesar: where are you doing actual development? |
| 18:57.41 | DaniloCesar | I'm trying do a risk game with pygame. But I'm not a pygame expert... So I'm learning yet.... |
| 18:58.20 | konttori | Python is much faster to develop on and it's nicely cross platform to develop on. |
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| 19:04.37 | *** topic/#maemo is maemo is the application development platform for the Nokia Internet Tablets | Good questions deserve better answers | http://maemo.org | irc logs at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/os2007on770/ | http://www.flickr.com/groups/maemo/ |
| 19:09.04 | trevarthan | would anyone like to test a Kagu pre release deb? |
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| 19:14.13 | ty | Yo! Can anyone access secure sites from their Nokia tablet's Opera? Minimo can get to Garage and such, but it crashes when I try to download anything... Help? |
| 19:14.42 | _Shurik_ | I can |
| 19:14.47 | guerby | hi, anyone with python / dbus experience (on the N800) ? |
| 19:15.12 | ty | _Shurik_: Your on the 770 or 800? |
| 19:15.58 | ||cw | ty: my bank's site works on the 770 |
| 19:16.37 | _Shurik_ | ty: n800, 128 virtual memory |
| 19:16.38 | trevarthan | _Shurik_: ever played ShadowRun? It's a lot like CS. |
| 19:17.01 | _Shurik_ | trevarthan: not really. I'm just not much into games |
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| 19:17.10 | ty | Hmm... I guess it's just the Hacker Edition then if it works on both 770 and 800... |
| 19:17.14 | _Shurik_ | I think I just got stuck on CS because I can get in and out |
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| 19:18.33 | _Shurik_ | ty: sorry man |
| 19:19.03 | ty | Naw, thanks for the time! More google hunting for me, then... -_- Maybe someone has ported Epiphany to maemo... |
| 19:19.50 | trevarthan | _Shurik_: Yeah, I used to be a big CS fan, back in college. (2001) |
| 19:19.59 | trevarthan | been a looooong time since I played. |
| 19:21.19 | _Shurik_ | it's fun |
| 19:21.40 | _Shurik_ | when driking |
| 19:21.47 | _Shurik_ | sorta like fuzzball |
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| 19:26.52 | soothsayer | After an apt-get update I get this: GPG error: http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com bora Release: The following signatures were invalid |
| 19:26.57 | soothsayer | How do I fix that? |
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| 19:28.05 | pupnik | [Slashdot: Your Rights Online] German Court Convicts Skype For Breaching GPL - |
| 19:28.06 | pupnik | http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdotYourRightsOnline/~3/136958015/article.p |
| 19:29.10 | pupnik | just played a few hours on the n770 today... the dpad is really really bad for gaming |
| 19:29.25 | _Shurik_ | indeed |
| 19:29.35 | _Shurik_ | we need a bt nintendo style controller |
| 19:30.06 | pupnik | you can buy one but it's about 40 euro and doesn't fit the nokia |
| 19:30.06 | FunkyPenguin | chaps is there an alternative rss reader out there? the one that comes with the n800 is starting to hack me off |
| 19:30.43 | _Shurik_ | I think that's all we got |
| 19:31.04 | soothsayer | FunkyPenguin: There is a plugin for claws (but the package seems to be broken?) |
| 19:31.25 | FunkyPenguin | soothsayer: yeah I noticed that too |
| 19:31.49 | trevarthan | _Shurik_: wiimote works (I think), but it's expensive. |
| 19:31.58 | _Shurik_ | yeah |
| 19:32.09 | _Shurik_ | I just don't think it's a gaming platform to begin with |
| 19:32.21 | _Shurik_ | although of course it can be |
| 19:32.23 | FunkyPenguin | nuts, if I could get past writing 'hello world' I'd look at doing something |
| 19:32.57 | soothsayer | FunkyPenguin: If you have a server you can email feeds to yourself using a variety of tools. |
| 19:33.37 | soothsayer | FunkyPenguin: Also, I think Google reader is reported to work with new Mozilla browser |
| 19:34.07 | _Shurik_ | FunkyPenguin: what is your main complaint with current RSS reader? |
| 19:34.32 | FunkyPenguin | soothsayer: google reader does work with the new browser, but if im off line it's useless |
| 19:35.11 | _Shurik_ | do not allow yourself to be offline! Ever! |
| 19:35.41 | FunkyPenguin | _Shurik_: *very* slow, false updates (shows new posts when they are old), crashes once a day |
| 19:35.54 | _Shurik_ | I see. I haven't used it a lot |
| 19:36.12 | _Shurik_ | I don't like RSS that much to be honest. I'd just rather go the website when I'm online |
| 19:36.20 | FunkyPenguin | I try not to be off line, but I have no choice at times |
| 19:36.21 | _Shurik_ | and I always have a set of e-books for offline time |
| 19:36.53 | FunkyPenguin | I sub to several sites for work and it is handy for reference |
| 19:37.02 | _Shurik_ | right |
| 19:37.03 | soothsayer | FunkyPenguin: Yeah I know. Trust me I sympathize. I hate all this 'always online' crap and the absence of decent feed readers on any platform. |
| 19:37.27 | _Shurik_ | I can't imagine it being really difficult to put one together |
| 19:38.22 | FunkyPenguin | oh yeah the rss home applet annoys me too :) |
| 19:39.22 | soothsayer | _Shurik_: It's not but it is tedious, especially for the feature I want. |
| 19:39.43 | soothsayer | *features |
| 19:39.58 | _Shurik_ | well do tell :) |
| 19:40.04 | FunkyPenguin | is the osso rss reader based on liferea? |
| 19:40.11 | soothsayer | FunkyPenguin: Yeah, I'm pretty sure. |
| 19:40.20 | _Shurik_ | I'm not saying that I will do it, but if I decide to code something, might as well be something usefull |
| 19:40.29 | FunkyPenguin | shame coz I have no issues with that |
| 19:40.39 | FunkyPenguin | _Shurik_: please do ;) |
| 19:41.07 | soothsayer | _Shurik_: Well, step 1 would be to store the feeds in a database. |
| 19:41.29 | soothsayer | (Feed items) |
| 19:41.42 | _Shurik_ | aha |
| 19:42.04 | soothsayer | That's probably the most tedious part. |
| 19:42.14 | _Shurik_ | (if I had bt keyboard, I'd take notes into the n800. Writing on the paper instead) |
| 19:42.27 | pupnik | just did that today - |
| 19:42.30 | soothsayer | The problem I was having was mapping Atom and RSS into a DB schema. |
| 19:42.45 | pupnik | used 770 as notetaking device - could keep up with most of the conversation without problmes |
| 19:42.51 | _Shurik_ | pupnik |
| 19:43.24 | FunkyPenguin | what about porting liferea as is and compare the result to the builtin one? |
| 19:43.26 | pupnik | WHAT |
| 19:43.41 | soothsayer | FunkyPenguin: Is that addressed to me? |
| 19:43.53 | FunkyPenguin | to anyone really |
| 19:43.54 | _Shurik_ | haha, sorry. I meant to say what did you do today? :) |
| 19:44.07 | _Shurik_ | forgot to enable thought->irc interface |
| 19:44.40 | pupnik | i had an interview and spent a few hours testing Ur-Quan Masters |
| 19:44.43 | soothsayer | FunkyPenguin: It doesn't meet my needs, particularly with regards to reading feeds on multiple computers. |
| 19:44.48 | pupnik | and i decided i hate the dpad |
| 19:44.52 | whaq_ | hm.. i'm searing the itt forum but can't find anything about PDF reflow function. Is there such thing? |
| 19:45.03 | _Shurik_ | yes |
| 19:45.05 | whaq_ | searching obviously |
| 19:45.13 | _Shurik_ | PSP's buttons are definitely better for gaming |
| 19:45.28 | FunkyPenguin | soothsayer: I haven't heard of a distributed rss reader |
| 19:45.35 | whaq_ | psp buttons were designed specifically for gaming |
| 19:45.52 | FunkyPenguin | the closest thing is a web based one |
| 19:46.06 | soothsayer | FunkyPenguin: The only ones I know of are 'online' readers, or alternatively, by emailing your feed items to an IMAP account. |
| 19:46.19 | whaq_ | can anyone tell me if the pdf browser on n800 (evince?) support text reflow? |
| 19:46.29 | soothsayer | FunkyPenguin: Yeah I mean web based |
| 19:46.29 | FunkyPenguin | either that or you have a central server that pulls all your feeds and then your client pulls from your server |
| 19:46.46 | soothsayer | FunkyPenguin: That's what is ideal for me. It doesn't exist AFAIK |
| 19:46.54 | pupnik | if you want text reflow then convert pdf to html |
| 19:47.10 | whaq_ | pupnik: ok |
| 19:47.17 | FunkyPenguin | cunning plan, there would be _big_ brownie points for that :) |
| 19:48.55 | soothsayer | What repository is libgcrypt >= 1.2.2 in? |
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| 19:49.30 | pupnik | Results 1 - 10 of about 79,400 for "detachable penis". (0.14 seconds) |
| 19:49.32 | pupnik | oops |
| 19:49.44 | pupnik | http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php |
| 19:49.47 | pupnik | repository search |
| 19:49.51 | _Shurik_ | is that n800 compatible? |
| 19:49.56 | _Shurik_ | :-D |
| 19:49.57 | pupnik | (was searching for the song 'detachable p...') |
| 19:50.05 | _Shurik_ | sure |
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| 19:50.33 | pupnik | good grief the first result is a *Wikipedia* entry |
| 19:50.37 | _Shurik_ | years of IRC taught me to press Cntrl C many.. many times |
| 19:51.09 | soothsayer | pupnik: Ah thanks! I knew of that site, but never saw the search box :| |
| 19:51.32 | pupnik | thank whoever made that site - it's useful |
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| 19:52.29 | _Shurik_ | what is Canola exactly |
| 19:52.31 | FunkyPenguin | ok here's another noob question.... |
| 19:52.48 | _Shurik_ | indeed |
| 19:53.12 | FunkyPenguin | is there an mp4 video player for the n800? I have over 200GB of video for my psp and it doesn't play on the n800 :( |
| 19:53.30 | soothsayer | FunkyPenguin: Mplayer doesn't work? |
| 19:53.42 | _Shurik_ | oh yes, what's is a good program to convert mp4 into something mplayer playable :) |
| 19:53.43 | FunkyPenguin | _Shurik_: canola is a kind of media centre type app |
| 19:53.46 | soothsayer | If mplayer doesn't play it your probably out of luck |
| 19:54.05 | FunkyPenguin | think of it as mythtv for maemo without the tv |
| 19:54.21 | soothsayer | Canola uses mplayer as a backend I think |
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| 19:54.29 | _Shurik_ | ahha |
| 19:55.01 | soothsayer | _Shurik_: Mencoder. There is a Java UI for it called 'video converter' (convertor?) somewhere |
| 19:55.52 | soothsayer | Is anyone else getting key errors against catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com when doing apt-get update? |
| 19:55.52 | trevarthan | _Shurik_: 770encode.pl works well for the n800 too. |
| 19:55.52 | _Shurik_ | I think I have it, but I probably need codecs then |
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| 19:56.16 | FunkyPenguin | soothsayer: looks like it has something to do with the wrappers used :( |
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| 19:56.26 | FunkyPenguin | I'll look into it though |
| 19:56.43 | soothsayer | mp4 is just a container, not the video codec. |
| 19:56.59 | FunkyPenguin | yeah just like avi |
| 19:57.59 | _Shurik_ | I see |
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| 20:05.50 | guardian | evening #maemo |
| 20:06.30 | _Shurik_ | buenos |
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| 20:07.24 | soothsayer | Anybody have pidgin installed and can run 'apt-cache policy libgcrypt11' for me? |
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| 20:11.31 | frob | [sbox-SDK_ARMEL: ~/repos/svn/garage/browser/browser-ui/trunk] > run-tablet-browser.sh --engine=mozilla --display=:2 --view=win |
| 20:11.32 | frob | AF Warning: '/etc/osso-af-init/keyboard.defs' not found |
| 20:11.32 | frob | /home/shackan/.osso/current-gtk-key-theme:1: Unable to find include file: "keybindings.rc" |
| 20:11.32 | frob | tablet-browser[19604]: GLIB CRITICAL ** GModule - g_module_symbol: assertion `module != NULL' failed |
| 20:11.32 | frob | qemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - exiting |
| 20:11.38 | frob | grrrr |
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| 20:12.49 | maddler | hi all! |
| 20:14.06 | soothsayer | Does vi on Maemo not have undo? |
| 20:14.59 | _Shurik_ | vi is scarry to me |
| 20:15.06 | pupnik | it is busybox vi with few features |
| 20:15.37 | _Shurik_ | that's even scarrier |
| 20:15.51 | pupnik | if you learn vi, editing is faster than with standard 'wordpad' style editors |
| 20:15.58 | soothsayer | pupnik: vim weighs in at 19 megs :( |
| 20:16.18 | pupnik | i know soothsayer :( you can delete the spelling dictionaries to save a few megs |
| 20:16.31 | pupnik | i will compile a slim but full featured vi sometime |
| 20:18.12 | maddler | soothsayer: there is a full vim package... but can't recall on which repo... |
| 20:18.40 | soothsayer | maddler: Yeah I know. It is just a little big |
| 20:19.42 | maddler | soothsayer: yup... |
| 20:20.15 | maddler | soothsayer: try the one here: http://www.komputika.net/maemo/ |
| 20:20.30 | maddler | it has some glitches... but it should be working... :) |
| 20:20.35 | maddler | is the one I use... |
| 20:20.38 | _Shurik_ | of course you're using bt keyboards, no? :) |
| 20:20.46 | maddler | my package I mean... |
| 20:20.53 | soothsayer | _Shurik_: SSH |
| 20:20.58 | maddler | far from perfect... but it works :) |
| 20:21.31 | _Shurik_ | ah I see |
| 20:21.53 | _Shurik_ | btw, how is secure latest firmware overall? |
| 20:21.59 | soothsayer | _Shurik_: Don't have a BT keyboard (but want one) |
| 20:22.07 | _Shurik_ | how scary is it to have it on DefCon? :) |
| 20:22.29 | _Shurik_ | soothsayer: I do too. But I haven't seen what I like yet |
| 20:22.51 | _Shurik_ | really tempted to try that laser one. But I do like tactile feedback when typing |
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| 20:24.56 | pupnik | thanks maddler! |
| 20:25.15 | maddler | pupnik: you are welcome... |
| 20:25.27 | maddler | there should be a better package laying somewhere... |
| 20:25.53 | soothsayer | maddler: Why is there other vim package 19M and yours 670K? |
| 20:25.59 | soothsayer | s/there/the |
| 20:26.20 | maddler | soothsayer: mine is very minimal... |
| 20:26.34 | maddler | no plugins... docs... or whatever... |
| 20:26.52 | soothsayer | maddler: Customized through compile time switches? |
| 20:27.02 | maddler | yup... afaik... |
| 20:27.29 | maddler | I built it 6 months ago... |
| 20:27.44 | soothsayer | maddler: Okay, thanks for that package. |
| 20:27.52 | maddler | you are welcome... |
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| 20:35.55 | HumanPenguin | Question: Any Hams within the Maemo development community ? |
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| 20:41.03 | sciboy | Hey question, if I bought a n800 from overseas and they finally release it over here, would my warranty still be valid to get it repaired here? |
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| 20:43.53 | jsj | n770 is $140 at buy.com, has it ever been lower? |
| 20:44.37 | nomis | jsj: yeah. $99 for developers when it initially was presented. |
| 20:44.57 | whaq_ | sciboy: I think it will depend on your local nokia dealer's policy |
| 20:45.17 | jsj | nomis: serious? wow |
| 20:45.49 | nomis | jsj: well, it was a selected audience. |
| 20:46.01 | pupnik | i think something like 500 units |
| 20:46.15 | Mikho | $99 for developers? |
| 20:46.22 | pupnik | hmm maemo gregale has no /usr/include/SDL_config.h |
| 20:46.36 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:46.40 | pupnik | yes |
| 20:46.44 | Mikho | is there an ongoing discount for n800? |
| 20:47.03 | _Shurik_ | yes, it's getting cheaper by the week |
| 20:47.34 | maddler | _Shurik_: you mean official price? |
| 20:47.55 | _Shurik_ | well, just as anything else. It's getting cheaper and cheaper to buy it |
| 20:48.04 | _Shurik_ | I paid 374 shipped I think |
| 20:48.13 | _Shurik_ | month and a half ago |
| 20:48.27 | maddler | _Shurik_: welcome in the family then :) |
| 20:48.27 | Mikho | It's pretty awesome that my initial hello world program is starting to look more and more like a real application |
| 20:48.33 | whaq_ | bought mine at amazon, $358.88 shipped |
| 20:49.03 | sciboy | I'm waiting to get mine once they release in Australia. |
| 20:49.05 | whaq_ | if within 30 days they have furhter discount, you can apply for the difference to be refunded back |
| 20:49.33 | disq | Mikho: developer device program ended in january. the discount codes given expired last month |
| 20:49.34 | _Shurik_ | Mikho: soon you can select who you're sending hello to via the menu? :) |
| 20:50.19 | Mikho | No, it doesn't support menus yet |
| 20:50.29 | Mikho | :) |
| 20:50.36 | sciboy | I miss my printer. =( |
| 20:50.38 | _Shurik_ | you're way ahead of me already |
| 20:50.45 | maddler | write her a letter! :D |
| 20:50.48 | _Shurik_ | scuboy: printing on paper is evil |
| 20:50.57 | maddler | :) |
| 20:51.01 | _Shurik_ | if that's what you're talking about |
| 20:51.11 | sciboy | _Shurik_, I don't have a nokia device yet so I have no choice in the matter. |
| 20:51.15 | sciboy | I like dead tree's. |
| 20:51.16 | Mikho | But it's nice to see how gtk sometimes actually does what I want it to do |
| 20:51.19 | sciboy | Less for hippies to hug. |
| 20:51.26 | maddler | :) |
| 20:51.42 | pupnik | i miss green fanfold paper |
| 20:51.43 | _Shurik_ | oh, I don't care about that. I just don't like paper |
| 20:51.46 | maddler | brb |
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| 20:52.34 | maddler | can't find a good theme for irssi :) |
| 20:52.39 | sciboy | _Shurik_, I draw a lot so I tend to like paper. =P |
| 20:52.51 | _Shurik_ | aah |
| 20:52.57 | _Shurik_ | well see, I can't draw |
| 20:53.05 | sciboy | Although cheap ass cardboard is coming in second. |
| 20:53.20 | _Shurik_ | but I can do image searches in google |
| 20:53.24 | _Shurik_ | that seems to be sufficient |
| 20:53.30 | sciboy | You got me beat. =P |
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| 20:54.02 | _Shurik_ | :)) |
| 20:54.13 | sciboy | Actually my main interest in 770/n800 is having something to view reference images and info on while I work. |
| 20:54.36 | _Shurik_ | can't it do that already? |
| 20:54.57 | eichi_N800 | Where is the script or config, which controls the app, which starts, if i put out the camera of the n800 |
| 20:55.15 | sciboy | Yeah but I'm not sure the screen is going to do the job, I need to see it in person or get one really cheap. |
| 20:55.32 | _Shurik_ | sciboy: how about just a second monitor on PC? |
| 20:55.43 | sciboy | _Shurik_, Not portable enough. =) |
| 20:55.51 | _Shurik_ | because it's really more for a close-up viewing. Screen is great but I can't use it when it's on the desk |
| 20:56.02 | _Shurik_ | I have to hold it |
| 20:56.08 | sciboy | I work on my PC at the moment and I'd really like to move away from the desk once in a while. |
| 20:56.10 | pupnik | a really fast and responsive sketch app would be nice |
| 20:56.30 | sciboy | _Shurik_, That's why I have to wait and see it in person. |
| 20:56.41 | sciboy | The resolution is fine and dandy, but I won't have it up in my face. |
| 20:56.46 | _Shurik_ | sciboy: I think you will like it. Screen is the best out of all portables |
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| 20:57.59 | sciboy | _Shurik_, Depends on the size though, one thing I've been wondering is how does it handle in bright light? |
| 20:58.15 | _Shurik__ | not too well unfortunately |
| 20:58.37 | pupnik | are there portables that have backlit lcds that can compete with the sun? |
| 20:58.38 | _Shurik__ | when I'm reading it in my pool, I have to stir to shady side :-D |
| 20:59.00 | _Shurik__ | well, iphone suppose to be visible really well |
| 20:59.14 | sxpert | "stirred, not shaked" |
| 20:59.20 | sciboy | pupnik, There's the new OLED screens they're working on, doesn't need a backlight. =) |
| 20:59.32 | _Shurik__ | that would be really nice |
| 20:59.34 | sciboy | pupnik, Also, I know lots of tablet pc's that handle in direct sunlight. |
| 20:59.48 | pupnik | it takes a lot of energy. sun is very bright |
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| 20:59.53 | _Shurik__ | that's the biggest problem with n800 as GPS in the car |
| 21:00.07 | sciboy | pupnik, Dunno what the difference is, it's not the backlight alone determining the visibility. |
| 21:00.07 | pupnik | have you ever used a flashlight in the midday sun? |
| 21:00.13 | _Shurik__ | I have to pick it up to look when driving at daytime |
| 21:00.56 | _Shurik__ | I think n800 screen is awsome still |
| 21:01.06 | _Shurik__ | we'll see more sun tolerant solutions in the future |
| 21:01.19 | _Shurik__ | it's a kinda anti beach browsing solutions |
| 21:01.20 | sciboy | pupnik, If you put a reflective surface under the screen with minimal space the sun wouldn't be an issue. |
| 21:01.22 | pupnik | the n770 is too bright already. i am a cave dweller |
| 21:01.33 | _Shurik__ | they meant to say if you're on the sun - do something fun! Get off line damn it |
| 21:01.35 | pupnik | heh yes "transflective" i think |
| 21:02.47 | frob | http://pastebin.com/d6d2f033a the new browser doesn't even start in scratchbox |
| 21:03.15 | frob | maybe timeless is around, but I already abused his patience today :) |
| 21:05.11 | sciboy | pupnik, Yup that's the one. |
| 21:05.32 | _Shurik__ | so not n800 anyway |
| 21:05.59 | _Shurik__ | n990 will probably have that, and that built in 9mm luger I wanted for self defence |
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| 21:22.08 | maddler | damn! too warm!!! here!!! |
| 21:22.19 | maddler | 40 degrees are too much! |
| 21:22.27 | pupnik | btw the sdl sound output of many games is problematic |
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| 21:28.58 | maddler | eh... I didn't had the time to restore the whole thing after the upgrade... :( |
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| 21:35.12 | frob | I don't know if it's normal, but my graphical environment scratchbox is damn unstable, even open a "save as" dialogue in maemopad kill the app |
| 21:35.19 | frob | s/kill/kills/ |
| 21:36.10 | _Shurik__ | that's what I've heard too |
| 21:37.56 | frob | _Shurik__: what? |
| 21:38.50 | _Shurik__ | that emulation is non existant pretty much |
| 21:39.35 | frob | sigh |
| 21:41.59 | _Shurik__ | just pull the slide back |
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| 21:43.49 | frob | frack, I have to reboot just to change the goddamn target, since sb assumes there are other sessions open, while there AREN'T |
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| 21:48.33 | zabi2 | hey |
| 21:49.09 | zabi2 | has anyone here been about to install ssh on the nokia 770? |
| 21:49.24 | zabi2 | has anyone here been able to install ssh on the nokia 770 i mean? |
| 21:51.50 | pupnik | got a new emulator |
| 21:52.15 | pupnik | yeah zabi2 dropbear or ... uh openssh - dropbear here iirc |
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| 22:00.19 | maddler | zabi2: yup... both OpenSSH and Dropbear... |
| 22:01.38 | user__ | does anyone know how i can get fbreader to auto-detect my ebooks? they are all in mmc2/ebooks. |
| 22:05.00 | frob | and now, why on earth do you have to restart af-fb-init.sh a _couple_ of times, with xephyr dying now and then, before actually getting to see the hildon desktop ? |
| 22:05.43 | maddler | user__: dunno... check in fbreader docs... |
| 22:05.45 | maddler | ;) |
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| 22:07.24 | pupnik | frob, mine is broken here - never get a desktop |
| 22:08.07 | frob | ypeee, xephyr dies again! |
| 22:08.25 | frob | pupnik: wow, I should count myself *lucky* then? :D |
| 22:08.48 | frob | pupnik: and this is supposed to be the *stable* sdk |
| 22:09.04 | pupnik | i seem to get "root window unavailible (maybe another wm is running?)" |
| 22:09.09 | pupnik | well i'm sure there's a solution |
| 22:10.44 | frob | pupnik: one which doesn't involve a mass killing? |
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| 22:13.58 | HumanPenguin | Hi Folks. Is their somewhere on the maemo.org site that I can set up a scratch project to get information on who may be interested. I am thinking of setting up a HAM Radio project that uses APRS (automatic Position Reporting system) with Maemo Mapper. |
| 22:15.10 | pupnik | i don't know of one. you can submit to the applicationcatalog wishlist or start a thread in the internettablettalk.com forums |
| 22:17.36 | HumanPenguin | I have started a thread on internettablettalk.com. Just wanted somewhere that I could post status etc while I experiment and decide if its possible. I suppose I could set up a Yahoo group or something (Hildon Ham) and try to gether interested folks |
| 22:18.16 | _Shurik__ | APRS? |
| 22:18.21 | _Shurik__ | so how it going to work> |
| 22:18.39 | maddler | HumanPenguin: you could have a blog on maemopeople.org :) |
| 22:20.31 | HumanPenguin | APRS is a HAM protocol you connect a PC to a RADIO and a GPS and send you location over a set channel. You also listen to other stations and print thier location on a map. Also has messageing system etc built into the protocol. www.aprs.net explains the protocol. How it would work TBC |
| 22:21.08 | _Shurik__ | ahha |
| 22:22.04 | HumanPenguin | Well in most situs we conect a TNC (like a radio modem and send signals that way. But we have several apps out their that comunicate via a sound card doing the TNC job in software. So I am thinking if I convert a Bluetooth Headset and mount it to my radio I can then communicate via bluetooth to the radio just translating the data into sound. |
| 22:22.46 | _Shurik__ | and what do you use ham radio for? |
| 22:22.51 | pupnik | anybody with an n800 want to test freesci? (sierra game interpreter) |
| 22:22.54 | _Shurik__ | I mean, I know, but like how often and why? |
| 22:23.06 | DaniloCesar | pupnik, Ok |
| 22:23.27 | DaniloCesar | Do you have a deb package of it? |
| 22:23.48 | pupnik | no, needs to be started from terminal |
| 22:23.54 | DaniloCesar | No problem... |
| 22:24.02 | DaniloCesar | python or C? |
| 22:24.24 | DaniloCesar | pupnik, send me.... |
| 22:24.28 | pupnik | both |
| 22:24.34 | DaniloCesar | nice.... |
| 22:24.58 | HumanPenguin | In this case the radio is used to pass location and message info among other hams in the area. We have a reapeater network that covers most of the metro areas in the US. we use APRS a lot for search and rescu type stuff. And just to play looking at folks location on maps as we drive etc. It is genrally done on 146MHZ so line of sight only. |
| 22:25.37 | _Shurik__ | I see |
| 22:26.14 | frob | cool |
| 22:26.21 | HumanPenguin | Ham is pretty popular in the US. ~700k users |
| 22:26.31 | frob | could it be used to *spy* on people? :D |
| 22:26.38 | _Shurik__ | My friend is HAM-ster (?) :) |
| 22:26.50 | _Shurik__ | just could never figure out is that something I'm interested in :) |
| 22:27.24 | frob | I mean, aprs transmitter in the car, receiver with maemo mapper on the other side, very sci-fi esque :D |
| 22:27.31 | _Shurik__ | well, he was untill his transiver got stolen |
| 22:27.51 | _Shurik__ | basically 101 reasons not to pay attention to the road |
| 22:27.52 | frob | uh, who the hell would steal a ham radio? |
| 22:28.13 | _Shurik__ | well, it looks expensive |
| 22:28.37 | HumanPenguin | Nods u need to be a bit of a nerd to use it. As for spying Not leagally :o) given that you need a radio $100+ and PC of some form $150 + a GPS $50 all used its a dard expensive bug. But I have it on my car and technically if the car was stolen itsa a pricy lojack |
| 22:28.59 | _Shurik__ | it was one of those submersible Yaesu radios |
| 22:29.32 | _Shurik__ | 350-400 bucks or so |
| 22:29.57 | HumanPenguin | I have that for this but I have a mobile in the car 8900 the radio I am planning to use for this is about $350 new but I have a used one that would work cost me $80 |
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| 22:30.32 | _Shurik__ | I just wouldn't know what to talk about |
| 22:30.39 | _Shurik__ | Um.. so you're driving? Me too |
| 22:30.59 | _Shurik__ | and you can't copy/paste |
| 22:31.04 | HumanPenguin | Frob: Steal the car not the radio the equipment is hidden in the trunk. |
| 22:32.17 | HumanPenguin | frob: PS used ham radios sell well if you know who to sell them to. of couse selling them without a licence can be hard |
| 22:37.30 | HumanPenguin | frob: go look www.hamradio.com few mins looking at the prices will tell you why they might get stolen. Unfortunaly 700k users dosent help with the supply and damand priceing equation ;o( |
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| 22:43.15 | lasko | I've got a question maybe someone could answer. I'm looking for an IAX client for the Nokia 770.. is there one out there? |
| 22:44.24 | HumanPenguin | frob again: cooler way of spying. This is open data and we have repeaters that sync it to the internet. This link http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/find.cgi?call=aa4rc points to a friend of mine driving up the GA400 as we speak |
| 22:45.18 | pupnik | lasko i don't know - if you see a GTK based iaxclient, it might be fairly easy to port... http://iaxclient.sourceforge.net/ |
| 22:45.38 | lasko | hmm |
| 22:46.44 | lasko | Haven't had much experience with that.. kinda hoped someone already did it.. Ok thanks I'm off to try some porting. |
| 22:48.35 | frob | HumanPenguin: wow |
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| 22:51.52 | HumanPenguin | Frob: as I say the HAM community has reapeaters all over the place. the set up is such that even though most HTs can only handle 5w the repeater network will transmit it all over a city and the internet then syncs from city to city. |
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| 23:05.17 | HumanPenguin | OK I created a Yahoo group [HildonHam ยท N800 HAM Radio] Ill post my experiments there |
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| 23:17.30 | _Shurik__ | more like standing up 400 :) |
| 23:17.52 | _Shurik__ | it's a mess right now |
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| 23:19.07 | HumanPenguin | You live in the Atlanta Area ? |
| 23:37.13 | fro1 | does anybody have doxygen packages for amel ? |
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