| 00:01.28 | blkhawk | I build two devices so far and both just don't work |
| 00:01.51 | pupnik | cortex a8 will basially be a p3 500mhz in your pocket, drawing 300mw power |
| 00:01.52 | blkhawk | I mean aside from supplying 5v to whatever i put in them |
| 00:01.57 | pupnik | that is sex -- emu sex |
| 00:02.21 | blkhawk | heh |
| 00:02.24 | blkhawk | 500mhz |
| 00:02.37 | blkhawk | thats enough to emulate a n64 |
| 00:02.42 | blkhawk | well almost ;) |
| 00:03.06 | pupnik | well ... it should be about 2x the n800 or better |
| 00:03.11 | pupnik | not counting the 3d |
| 00:03.23 | pupnik | (and who knows if nokia will do any 3d in the tablet) |
| 00:03.36 | pupnik | they have this gaming deal - they might cripple the opengl |
| 00:04.10 | pupnik | but if you look at dosbox or snes or even fceu |
| 00:04.21 | pupnik | you need about 4x the power of the n770 |
| 00:04.27 | blkhawk | afaik nokia cannot |
| 00:04.44 | blkhawk | there is licencing sillyness going on with the hardware manufacturer of the 3d chip |
| 00:04.53 | pupnik | yea |
| 00:04.57 | pupnik | but maybe for the n900 |
| 00:05.06 | blkhawk | but thats just whati heard from a relyabe source ;) |
| 00:05.25 | blkhawk | there is always openMoko :) |
| 00:05.25 | pupnik | i know they cant use the powervr in the n800 |
| 00:05.36 | pupnik | i don't care about 3d |
| 00:05.44 | Radar | hell, forget gaming, I'd be happier with better video playback! |
| 00:06.03 | pupnik | bah mplayer rulez |
| 00:06.06 | pupnik | ssvb is god |
| 00:06.49 | pupnik | i play all 320x240 on 770 b3cause of ssvb and he is god, and the mplayer devels are gods |
| 00:07.40 | pupnik | and we all should thank them |
| 00:08.04 | blkhawk | so send em a fruitbasket |
| 00:08.33 | pupnik | it's the most optimized app for the tablets |
| 00:08.35 | pupnik | mplayer |
| 00:09.01 | blkhawk | it has to be |
| 00:09.09 | blkhawk | it has to move lots of bits |
| 00:09.49 | pupnik | if i were that good, i would have emulators running at decent speed |
| 00:09.56 | pupnik | i will never ever be that good |
| 00:13.06 | blkhawk | anyway - do you know anything about usb-host? |
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| 00:37.33 | ppl | Hello |
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| 01:21.43 | vertoo | Hey all, any new news? |
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| 02:14.33 | agogo | hey guys..I just bought my n800..and only know basic linux..I connect to my browser fine, no problems browsing..however I am unable to ping myself from my desktop and laptop..ifconfig from n800 root says I am 192.168.1.103 |
| 02:14.51 | agogo | can anybody help? am unable to use media stream and vncviewer |
| 02:15.31 | agogo | I have the latest firmware installed |
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| 02:46.45 | teer2 | hey guys - does the ssh client in dropbear allow ssh-keys ? |
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| 02:48.03 | teer2 | I have been trying to get keys working for the last half hour, and I started to wonder if the feature was even there. No matter. Not a big deal. |
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| 02:53.04 | Radar | agogo: you may have to open ports on your firewall |
| 02:57.55 | agogo | Radar, i've already opened 5900 (real vnc server default) for tne n800 ip..to no avail. Do i actually have to instal CIFS, so that my n800 joins my workgroup, in order for it to 'see' other computers in the network? |
| 02:59.43 | agogo | a separate question, but still a newbie question. I downloaded CIFs to my Download foldr, buyt now I can't seem to find the Download folder. I have root access, but there is no download folder blow /home/user/MyDocs per instructions on Maemo wiki |
| 03:00.32 | agogo | where is my download folder? on the internal sd card? |
| 03:09.59 | procto | agogo: I don't know, but it could be under /home/user/.opera/ somewhere |
| 03:10.16 | procto | that's what opera tends to do by default |
| 03:15.07 | seebs | It turns out I don't understand OSSO as well as I used to think I did. I wanted to get the old example_camera program running, and I can't. |
| 03:15.11 | seebs | I'll eventually figure it out. |
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| 03:23.48 | seebs | Does anyone have an old copy of the example_camera program that compiles and runs correctly? The one I have makes calls out to a pair of "example_gui_*" functions that I don't have source for, and I'm not quite sure what goes in them. |
| 03:24.24 | seebs | Oh, wait, may have gotten 'em. Nevermind. |
| 03:27.21 | NeoStrider | hello fellows |
| 03:31.23 | seebs | Hello. |
| 03:34.34 | seebs | So, I got the old example_camera example working. Only it's not; it sits around chewing up 98% of CPU time with no visible output of any sort. |
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| 03:47.04 | seebs | Ahh. It just takes forever. |
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| 04:15.05 | SomeoneE1se | ... |
| 04:15.15 | SomeoneE1se | how do I close mplayer? (n800) |
| 04:20.28 | NeoStrider | esc? |
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| 04:38.47 | seebs | Hey, anyone here good with gstreamer? I had a program that I lost the source to, and I can't seem to reproduce it. (It was on an N800, which may matter.) |
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| 05:00.00 | TimRiker | I'm trying to get a bluetooth network connection to show up in connectionmanager. |
| 05:00.31 | TimRiker | the dbus-s posted in http://maemo.org/community/wiki/bluetoothnetworkingandconnectionmanager/ does not seem to become a daemon. |
| 05:00.56 | TimRiker | and it forks off many many copies of itself, and never seems to call the /usr/bin/dbus-script script. |
| 05:01.10 | TimRiker | this is on an n800 running the new 2007 image. |
| 05:01.25 | TimRiker | is there anyplace else to hook into connectiomanager? |
| 05:01.54 | TimRiker | or is there a way in a script to start a dummy connection so that the apps are happy? |
| 05:03.31 | TimRiker | http://osdir.com/ml/handhelds.maemo.user/2007-01/msg00070.html mentions a dbus call. perhaps I'll try that next. :/ |
| 05:10.59 | aaranya | Hi there |
| 05:11.00 | _Monkey | hello, aaranya |
| 05:14.53 | TimRiker | it would be nice if there was a hook someplace where connectionmanager called a shell script or other binary on connect and disconnect such that I could insert the relevant up and down steps. does it call ifup of anything else useful on a DUMMY IAP type? |
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| 05:21.21 | justin__ | Why does it seem like the 2.2 SDK rootstrap is not installing? |
| 05:26.40 | justin__ | When I type sb-conf rs /scratchbox/packages/Maemo... it just says unpacking and then quits. The reason I think it doesn't work is because Xephyr doesn't seem to exist and neither does af-sb-init.sh |
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| 05:49.22 | justin__ | IS there something wrong with the debian devkit 1.0.8 and maemo sdk 2.2? |
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| 06:20.52 | TimRiker | argh... |
| 06:21.50 | TimRiker | I can startup a bluetooth connection while I have a wlan connection open and it stays up till I kill it. |
| 06:22.33 | TimRiker | however, when I start one using the same script from osso-xterm while a dummy IAP is up, the bt connection dies after like one minute. |
| 06:22.44 | TimRiker | hmm. perhaps I should ssh out or something... |
| 06:27.22 | TimRiker | nope. even with an ssh session open, the connection shuts down. |
| 06:27.37 | TimRiker | connectionmanager still says the dummy connect is up. |
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| 06:39.39 | SeRi | is ITT down? |
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| 07:04.17 | disq | SeRi: i think so |
| 07:14.26 | SeRi | That sucks |
| 07:14.27 | SeRi | :( |
| 07:14.38 | SeRi | Thanks for the info |
| 07:29.38 | TimRiker | argh... very frustrating. my NAP link stays up until I place a video call, and that shuts it down every time. |
| 07:30.12 | TimRiker | well, unless wlan is also up, then the NAP stays up for a minute or so of a call, and then shuts down. |
| 07:30.49 | TimRiker | sure would be nice if NAP were supported directly. I've been beating on this for hours with no joy. |
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| 08:20.26 | _guardian | morning |
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| 09:34.26 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 09:34.42 | Jaffa | Bah at broken ITT :-/ |
| 09:34.45 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:35.06 | pupnik | who broekeded it'? |
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| 09:52.47 | VladDrac | is tinymail an application or just a set of libs? |
| 09:53.58 | Jaffa | Libs + an example. |
| 09:54.05 | Jaffa | Modest is an email client built on libtinymail |
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| 10:03.57 | VladDrac | ah. is it usable? |
| 10:27.21 | Jaffa | Depends how you define "usable", if you mean a well-thought out interface which matches the user's desires with the small, but high-res screen of an Internet Tablet; it doesn't look like it. If you mean, does it work, http://modest.garage.maemo.org/ suggests it works a bit ;-) |
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| 10:47.54 | blkhawk | lo |
| 10:48.46 | Jaffa | Annoying that Ubuntu UME is only targetting i386 devices (i.e. UMPCs and not the N800) |
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| 10:54.14 | gorlov | hi |
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| 11:04.54 | pupnik | i always distrusted ubuntu |
| 11:05.45 | blkhawk | yeah - there got to be an inhuman agenda behind that human fassade :P |
| 11:05.53 | pupnik | space lizards |
| 11:06.25 | pupnik | for a debian sid based distro, sidux is very clean, tight, current, solid |
| 11:12.00 | celesteh_rules | hahaha |
| 11:12.16 | celesteh_rules | it's really, really hard to recompile the kernel under ubuntu |
| 11:12.31 | celesteh_rules | it's like mac os 9 or something. they don't want you touching anything |
| 11:12.34 | dragorn | easy solution: never use vendor kernels :P |
| 11:12.59 | Mikho | what happens if you try? |
| 11:13.07 | celesteh_rules | when i used to run slackware, you could just use some easy tools and you were going, bbut not so with ubuntu that i can find |
| 11:13.19 | celesteh_rules | you have to do all the config by hand |
| 11:13.26 | celesteh_rules | which is fine if you know everything about the computer |
| 11:14.04 | Mikho | yeah, tried that once |
| 11:14.21 | dragorn | and you wouldn't know because...? (lspci, lsusb, done) |
| 11:14.33 | celesteh_rules | i'm sure there are tools that exist that make it easier. but the whole apt-get idea is based on the idea that you would not download source and compile it yourself, right? it's all about version numbers and stable releases |
| 11:14.38 | dragorn | (or hell, lsmod after booting the livecd and see what it loaded for you) |
| 11:15.18 | celesteh_rules | the computer i was trying to build on wasn't mine. and lsmod was not correctly identifying some of the hardware |
| 11:16.07 | celesteh_rules | but seriously, if lsmod can tell you everything, why doesn't the kernel compiling tools have an option to do that for you. |
| 11:16.44 | dragorn | because it's not hard to run lsmod? Also because some drivers may be under heavy development and unstable and it could be tragic to turn them on by default. |
| 11:16.56 | dragorn | s/lsmod/lsmod|lspci|lsusb/ |
| 11:17.10 | dragorn | wow, that's a horribly annoying thing for infobot to do :P |
| 11:20.03 | celesteh_rules | i really like smart tools. it seems like a tool that says, "you have X hardware. do you want the stable version or the unstable version?" would be a lot easier than going through a buggy config interface. and if it's "for people" it should have smart tools like that and not the much more intimidating (and buggy) thousand option script |
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| 11:53.40 | justin__ | Why does it seem like the 2.2 SDK rootstrap is not installing? |
| 11:53.53 | justin__ | When I type sb-conf rs /scratchbox/packages/Maemo... it just says unpacking and then quits. The reason I think it doesn't work is because Xephyr doesn't seem to exist and neither does af-sb-init.sh |
| 11:54.18 | justin__ | IS there something wrong with the debian devkit 1.0.8 and maemo sdk 2.2? |
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| 12:25.09 | celesteh_rules | question: is there a repository that has java compiled for the n800? |
| 12:43.12 | justin__ | Is it possible to install the 2.2 SDk on top of the scratchbox debian packages? |
| 12:43.50 | justin__ | The commands in the tutorial are different than what exists in the 1.0.7 scratchbox core that I got from the scratchbox repositories. |
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| 13:18.43 | blkhawk | nice got my USB Host stuff working |
| 13:29.23 | blkhawk | is there a way to use a usb dongle GPS with the gps utilities for maemo? |
| 13:29.31 | blkhawk | so far all seem to be BT only |
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| 13:36.43 | pupnik | blkhawk: did you manage to upgrade the os? |
| 13:36.46 | Sho_ | hm, the Plankton theme truely rocks |
| 13:38.44 | blkhawk | pupnik: no |
| 13:38.49 | blkhawk | pupnik: I cannot |
| 13:39.02 | blkhawk | as long as i have no way to resque it should the flash fail |
| 13:39.07 | blkhawk | damn i hate it tho |
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| 13:39.54 | sp3000 | skype-ui, maintainer: FIXME <fixme@nokia.com>. heh. |
| 13:41.14 | blkhawk | pupnik: do youthink i sould just risk it? |
| 13:41.32 | pupnik | blkhawk: well with 2005 you can't really develop for it |
| 13:41.41 | blkhawk | pupnik: I know |
| 13:41.58 | blkhawk | i am kinda working with one arm behind my back |
| 13:42.08 | blkhawk | It would be really shitty if i bricked it |
| 13:42.27 | pupnik | Since it's a prototype it might have collectors value |
| 13:42.43 | blkhawk | as a brick? |
| 13:42.45 | pupnik | my cousin has a handmade bmw 633csi |
| 13:42.46 | pupnik | no |
| 13:46.42 | blkhawk | pupnik: now thats collectors value |
| 13:47.16 | blkhawk | however i really cannot see any differences between my prototype and the eventual production models |
| 13:47.29 | blkhawk | the hardware is the same as far as i can make out |
| 13:47.42 | blkhawk | is there a complete hardware device list of the 770 somewhere? |
| 13:50.04 | pupnik | duno |
| 13:50.44 | blkhawk | if i am out of the X-loader and NOLO then icannot flash it anymore with what i have here |
| 13:51.07 | blkhawk | maybe its a Late model tho and almost identical to the production units |
| 13:51.12 | blkhawk | its a b4 |
| 13:51.25 | blkhawk | i guess that means 4th run of the beta hardware |
| 13:51.48 | blkhawk | I think that pretty darn late in the process ;) |
| 13:53.24 | pupnik | lol... pcsx-bin_1.699df-rc3-1_armel.deb |
| 13:53.31 | blkhawk | ? |
| 13:53.47 | pupnik | going to try playstation emu on the 770 |
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| 13:57.01 | blkhawk | fpm? maybe 2 |
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| 13:59.14 | gorlov | how I can use combination ctrl+c - ctrl+v on my n800? |
| 14:01.33 | blkhawk | what version is NOLO on 2006/2007? |
| 14:02.30 | blkhawk | anybody involved with 0xFFFF around? |
| 14:06.14 | justin__ | Has anyone tried to install maemo sdk 2.2 rootstrap on scratchbox with the packages in the scratchbox r4 package source? |
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| 14:13.25 | blkhawk | justin__: not me |
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| 14:20.34 | justin__ | Are you using SDK 2.2? |
| 14:22.04 | blkhawk | i currently have to use 1.1 |
| 14:22.34 | justin__ | Why? |
| 14:22.41 | blkhawk | justin__: could you tell me what NOLO version is shown when you run flasher with your device? |
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| 14:23.02 | justin__ | I don't have the device yet. |
| 14:23.03 | blkhawk | long story, short version I have a Prototype |
| 14:23.13 | blkhawk | not a production model |
| 14:23.15 | blkhawk | ah |
| 14:23.25 | justin__ | I ordered it, and I am trying to get my dev enviorment setup so I can start making programs. |
| 14:23.31 | blkhawk | and ihave been warbed that flashing the bootloader might brick it |
| 14:23.47 | blkhawk | justin__: just download the VMware appliance |
| 14:25.07 | justin__ | ? |
| 14:27.47 | blkhawk | get the vmware appliance - it has all the stuff already installed |
| 14:27.54 | blkhawk | you just need to run it |
| 14:31.42 | justin__ | If the rootstrap installed correctly I should have Xephyr right? |
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| 14:36.48 | pupnik | grr i need a psx demo program |
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| 14:46.37 | justin__ | When I try to add files to the rootstrap it gives a cp error. |
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| 14:49.26 | pupnik | OpenGL on N800. Want! |
| 14:52.51 | pupnik | itt back yaay |
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| 15:03.04 | pupnik | 2.6.16.27-omap1 does it2007he v2 kernel have mmcplus 52mhz support? |
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| 15:10.32 | ppl | If I have a small Xlib program; is it possible to simply cross-compile using gcc and run the executable from xterm? |
| 15:17.28 | pupnik | if you link it to the right things in scratchbox |
| 15:18.02 | blkhawk | do you really need scratchbox |
| 15:18.26 | blkhawk | i mean why not just cross compile it and be done |
| 15:18.28 | pupnik | i guess not |
| 15:20.43 | pupnik | fanoush's 770 flasher is sweet |
| 15:21.49 | pupnik | Dune 2 is almost playable with unbroken Sound Blaster 16 sound in dosbox 0.65 |
| 15:22.38 | pupnik | the mmcplus kernel really helps |
| 15:24.10 | blkhawk | pupnik: i wish I could get a hold of the 1.1 kernel source so i can try too ;) |
| 15:24.30 | blkhawk | pupnik: cam you tell me what NOLO version is displayed when flashing? |
| 15:24.58 | pupnik | i see no version message - am flashing from the device itself - not the PC flasher |
| 15:28.12 | pupnik | a bit unstable though - seeing reboots |
| 15:29.07 | blkhawk | dang |
| 15:29.17 | blkhawk | I need to know what the NOLO version on 2006 is |
| 15:29.43 | pupnik | have 2007he here |
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| 15:30.45 | agogo | can someone assist me with vncviewer on n800? thanks |
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| 15:33.52 | agogo | can someone assist me with vncviewer on n800? |
| 15:34.35 | `0660 | no thanks |
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| 15:39.00 | agogo | is everyone still asleep? |
| 15:39.05 | blkhawk | I guess so |
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| 15:40.08 | pupnik | agogo: what's the problem |
| 15:40.09 | _Monkey | the problem is when I try to save the javascript as bookmark, the script is too long and gets truncated so it won't work on the default opera browser in N770 |
| 15:40.18 | pupnik | hahaha |
| 15:41.52 | agogo | hey pupnik..i installed vncviewer with the latest firmware on n800..but my n800 cannot connect to any of my local machines..desktop or laptop..i opened the ports on both machines..and forwarded ports on my router..but still getting "unable to connect" from vncviewer..using local IP address..no problems using vncviewer on desktop or laptop |
| 15:42.04 | agogo | hey SeRi, I still have the same issues |
| 15:43.20 | __pv | and youre typing something like 192.168.0.1:1 where 1 is the VNC display number? |
| 15:43.39 | pupnik | what vnc server is running on your pc? |
| 15:43.48 | pupnik | debian "vncserver" |
| 15:43.50 | pupnik | ? |
| 15:44.22 | agogo | realvnc |
| 15:44.27 | agogo | pc is XP |
| 15:45.01 | SeRi | I can see that |
| 15:45.34 | agogo | no __Pv, i'm typing 192.168.1.100 only..lemme try with the :1 |
| 15:45.40 | SeRi | in XP you shouldnt have to type the display number |
| 15:45.47 | SeRi | thats for UNIX, Linux only |
| 15:45.53 | agogo | okay seri |
| 15:46.03 | SeRi | Just the IP |
| 15:46.05 | agogo | i also tried turning off my firewall |
| 15:46.16 | SeRi | make sure the windows firewall is not on |
| 15:46.17 | agogo | should i just install tight vnc? |
| 15:46.54 | SeRi | You shouldnt have to it works for me just fine |
| 15:47.00 | agogo | firewall not on..still unable to connect |
| 15:47.10 | agogo | could this be an issue with the new firmware? |
| 15:47.20 | timtimred | display number does work in xp.. |
| 15:47.24 | __pv | worksforme with debian vncserver |
| 15:47.33 | __pv | and new firmware |
| 15:47.36 | SeRi | when you put your mouse in top of the VNC server icon on the task bar what do you get? |
| 15:48.00 | pupnik | cool, vnc works grate here |
| 15:48.06 | agogo | Seri, it says "vnc server (user) 192.168.1.100" |
| 15:48.24 | agogo | i'm so jealous..only vnc doesnt seem to work on my n800 |
| 15:48.25 | SeRi | <timtimred> display number does work in xp.. Really? how is that XP is not a multy user OS |
| 15:48.46 | __pv | that has nothing to do with vnc's display number |
| 15:49.04 | timtimred | really, i thought it was a multiuser os :) |
| 15:49.19 | SeRi | each number indicates the X you are opening |
| 15:49.36 | agogo | i tried reinstalling vncviewer too |
| 15:50.05 | SeRi | what I mean you can not have multiple users loged in and work individually withouth having a damn MS license :P |
| 15:50.07 | agogo | I am able to ping my n800..and the n800 can ping my laptop |
| 15:50.09 | timtimred | right, so the first one is still 0 :) |
| 15:50.33 | __pv | but you can surely run multiple vncservers as a single user |
| 15:50.53 | SeRi | LOL I was refering at him using one which shouldnt work in XP... Well DUH 0 should work is default :) |
| 15:51.32 | SeRi | @PV and they all would control the same desktop |
| 15:51.36 | __pv | no |
| 15:51.50 | __pv | typically in unix at least, vncserver is headless, i.e. runs its own X desktop |
| 15:51.59 | SeRi | Agree |
| 15:52.10 | SeRi | But not on XP |
| 15:52.12 | __pv | don't know what some random software on windows does |
| 15:52.20 | SeRi | Thats what I am talking about |
| 15:52.26 | SeRi | You got it confuse :) |
| 15:52.51 | SeRi | I said windows can not run a individual desktop for each user :) |
| 15:53.04 | SeRi | But Linux can |
| 15:53.35 | agogo | so any advice for me? |
| 15:53.39 | agogo | reflash my n800? |
| 15:53.40 | SeRi | Now RDP does that in windows but you need a license server |
| 15:54.10 | SeRi | on license for each user... |
| 15:54.38 | __pv | run some headless vnc server on cygwin then ;) |
| 15:55.06 | SeRi | agogo... Why? Dont... Do this... what kind of firewall are you running |
| 15:55.07 | SeRi | ? |
| 15:55.11 | timtimred | you could try 192.168.1.100:0 |
| 15:55.24 | SeRi | @pv... LOL I guess that could be a solution?!? :P |
| 15:56.06 | agogo | just windows firewall |
| 15:56.33 | SeRi | see if your firewall is loging somebody trying to hit ports 5800 - 5900 |
| 15:56.38 | __pv | I remember that in windows XP there are some settings in addition to the firewall that control which ports can be opened |
| 15:56.59 | SeRi | Thats only if the firewall is on ^^ |
| 15:57.03 | pupnik | vnc is real fun |
| 15:57.13 | SeRi | ^^ Hell yea! |
| 15:57.19 | SeRi | lol |
| 15:57.28 | agogo | i turned the firewall off..but still cannot connect |
| 15:57.52 | SeRi | there is something blocking it... Maybe AV or Security suite?!? |
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| 15:58.18 | pupnik | i can't find a way to pull up the virtual keyboard on vncviewer though |
| 15:58.21 | pupnik | would be nice |
| 15:59.31 | SeRi | There is |
| 15:59.38 | agogo | it actually seems like my vncviewer requests is not even leaving the n800..nothing is logged on my fiewwall..and the "connection failed" msg is instant |
| 16:00.00 | SeRi | Hit the pad and the VK comes up |
| 16:01.02 | pupnik | hit what pad? |
| 16:01.05 | pupnik | what is 'pad'? |
| 16:01.21 | SeRi | right now I am on my N800 VNC to one of my systems using the virtual key board |
| 16:01.26 | SeRi | :P |
| 16:01.53 | pupnik | oh in the toolbar |
| 16:01.54 | SeRi | when you connect to the vnc server you have a tool bar in the bottom |
| 16:02.19 | agogo | I should actually have Seri log into my n800 remotely and what the hell is up with mine |
| 16:02.53 | pupnik | heh |
| 16:03.03 | pupnik | i think i'll install a vkbd on the linux box |
| 16:03.16 | SeRi | :) If you have ssh Ill be more than glad to help... or the vnc server |
| 16:03.28 | __pv | agogo: check your TCP/IP filtering settings http://www.windowsnetworking.com/articles_tutorials/Understanding-Advanced-TCP-IP-Settings-Windows-2003.html |
| 16:03.37 | SeRi | vkbd roxor the boxor when using vnc |
| 16:03.45 | SeRi | hehehe |
| 16:04.19 | SeRi | Windows 2003.... Thats a sevrer didnt know it apply to XP.... |
| 16:04.21 | pupnik | 4fps on small videos hehe |
| 16:04.37 | SeRi | going to check it out my self... |
| 16:04.58 | __pv | well, I once spent a long time figuring out why some ports wouldn't open on XP, and that was the reason |
| 16:05.40 | SeRi | c00l thanks for the link going to check it out for future refrence |
| 16:07.00 | SeRi | One thing I love about my N800... I havent found something that I would like to do and couldnt in the N800 |
| 16:07.25 | agogo | there's one thing Seri..you can't video conf with pc users |
| 16:07.27 | SeRi | one o the coolest settings is walking arround work and having claws mail check emails every 5Min and make a sound when emails arrive |
| 16:07.45 | SeRi | I dont have to be in my office! I can be in the server room or walking arround :D |
| 16:07.50 | Cegy | wats a good bluetooth app for the 770 so u r able to send and revice files? |
| 16:07.56 | agogo | u r a super user Seri |
| 16:07.56 | SeRi | I can :) |
| 16:08.10 | pupnik | xvkbd works, but is not really integrated |
| 16:08.19 | agogo | <SeRi> I can :) << vnc? |
| 16:09.08 | *** part/#maemo __pv (n=pv@a91-152-189-114.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 16:09.13 | SeRi | No. I use the Nokia Video conference for one on one |
| 16:10.10 | SeRi | or gmail from tablet to tablet |
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| 16:10.57 | agogo | nokia vid conf no longer for pc users eh? |
| 16:11.03 | SeRi | I dual boot for the video conference since the latest firmware does not have it |
| 16:11.11 | agogo | oh..ok |
| 16:11.33 | SeRi | But the stupid shit is that Nokia will suspend the protocol pass thru soon. |
| 16:11.37 | SeRi | They suck ass! |
| 16:11.52 | SeRi | :) |
| 16:12.38 | Cegy | does anyone know wats a good bluetooth app for the 770 ? |
| 16:13.10 | SeRi | Is not thrully PTP the PC user has to hit there server and than the N800 user |
| 16:13.18 | SeRi | blueserial |
| 16:13.22 | SeRi | Cegy^^ |
| 16:13.42 | SeRi | truely* |
| 16:14.05 | SeRi | agogo... Any luck yet? |
| 16:14.08 | Cegy | so blueserial SeRi ? |
| 16:14.10 | Cegy | nope |
| 16:14.11 | SeRi | yeap |
| 16:14.12 | Cegy | :| |
| 16:15.10 | SeRi | other than that just good for theathering and pairing for file transfer |
| 16:15.40 | SeRi | excuse my english.. it sux |
| 16:15.52 | Cegy | ok |
| 16:15.53 | Cegy | :D |
| 16:16.17 | SeRi | also there is a new media player that supports a2dp thats kind of cool but not sure if it works in N770 |
| 16:16.36 | Cegy | oh that sound good :D |
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| 16:16.58 | SeRi | whant the link? |
| 16:17.48 | SeRi | https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/wiki |
| 16:17.59 | SeRi | use to be UKMP |
| 16:18.40 | Cegy | i can't find that blueserial anywhere for me to be able to download it |
| 16:19.02 | Cegy | or if i do its .tgz wat ever that is :| |
| 16:20.36 | SeRi | trifinite.org |
| 16:20.48 | SeRi | yes you have to extract it in your tablet |
| 16:21.31 | Cegy | how how can u do that and does this allow me to send files with it ? |
| 16:21.37 | SeRi | tar -xvzf filename.tar.gz |
| 16:21.59 | SeRi | ooo you want obex transfer? |
| 16:22.17 | SeRi | ooo than hold on here is something simpler |
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| 16:23.18 | Cegy | ok |
| 16:23.54 | SeRi | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/applicationcatalogwip/ |
| 16:24.07 | SeRi | Look torse the end there is btxfer |
| 16:24.11 | SeRi | Thats what you want |
| 16:25.14 | SeRi | here is one btter and simpler to install also has a gui and icon for the taskbar |
| 16:25.16 | SeRi | http://maemo.org/downloads/search/application.html?org_openpsa_products_search%5B1%5D%5Bproperty%5D=description&org_openpsa_products_search%5B1%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_openpsa_products_search%5B1%5D%5Bvalue%5D=obex&org_openpsa_products_search%5B2%5D%5Bproperty%5D=os&org_openpsa_products_search%5B2%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_openpsa_products_search%5B2%5D%5Bvalue%5D=&org_openpsa_products_search%5B3%5D%5Bproperty%5D=license&org_openp |
| 16:25.26 | SeRi | GOD! |
| 16:25.39 | SeRi | lol thats a string for a serch in maemo.org |
| 16:25.49 | Cegy | damn |
| 16:25.49 | Cegy | :| |
| 16:25.50 | Cegy | lol |
| 16:25.56 | SeRi | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/btxfer |
| 16:26.01 | SeRi | There you thats better |
| 16:26.03 | SeRi | lol |
| 16:26.44 | Cegy | thank u |
| 16:26.58 | SeRi | n/p |
| 16:28.19 | SeRi | agogo you still in? |
| 16:28.32 | Cegy | yep |
| 16:28.37 | Cegy | nice program :D |
| 16:29.31 | SeRi | You change nick? |
| 16:30.05 | SeRi | Yea is preatty c00l |
| 16:30.11 | Cegy | i've got a good question i've got openssh install on the 770 and winscp so i can get to my files as i know how to get the root but my question is am i able to send files to it aswell through th winscp ? |
| 16:31.09 | gomiam | Cegy: you should |
| 16:31.13 | SeRi | Yes you can |
| 16:31.33 | gomiam | at least I have been able to do that with command-line SCP |
| 16:31.57 | Cegy | 2 secs |
| 16:32.35 | SeRi | scp filename_here user@add.re.ss.here:/path/to/destination |
| 16:33.20 | SeRi | or scp /path/to/file user@add.re.ss.here:/path/to/destination |
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| 16:36.55 | Cegy | so i can't drag and drop then? |
| 16:37.05 | Cegy | like to send to file to the meeory card |
| 16:37.57 | SeRi | from the device it self or from a command line remote system |
| 16:37.58 | SeRi | ? |
| 16:38.25 | SeRi | from the dive you just use the cp command |
| 16:38.33 | SeRi | device* |
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| 16:39.38 | SeRi | I am all out for google since they support OpenSource but damn manthey are starting to take over evrything... |
| 16:39.46 | SeRi | Now the 700Mhz spectrum |
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| 16:41.31 | agogo | Seri..u rang? |
| 16:41.39 | SeRi | yes |
| 16:41.49 | SeRi | How are you doing there with vnc? |
| 16:42.03 | agogo | just had breakfast..no success with vnc |
| 16:42.16 | SeRi | ooo well Good Morning.. hehehehe |
| 16:42.17 | agogo | still immediate "connection failed" msg |
| 16:42.34 | agogo | maybe not breakfast..but brunch |
| 16:42.39 | SeRi | Mhhh you can ping the pc right? |
| 16:42.51 | agogo | yup..no problem pinging back and forth |
| 16:42.58 | pupnik | heh reboots |
| 16:43.00 | __pv | and it wasn't the tcp/ip filter settings on the xp? |
| 16:43.19 | agogo | i turned off my firewall and all anti virus apps |
| 16:43.51 | __pv | i think that's not enough, since the tcp/ip filters are behind them |
| 16:43.57 | agogo | but whats weird is why i can use my laptop to vnc to desktop and vice versa..withiout turning off firewall or doing anything special..but not for n800 |
| 16:44.08 | __pv | ok, then its not that problem |
| 16:44.21 | SeRi | agogo change the ports on the VNC server to something higher |
| 16:44.24 | SeRi | try that |
| 16:44.27 | agogo | okay |
| 16:44.43 | SeRi | than at the viewer do 192.168.1.xxx:portnumber |
| 16:45.33 | agogo | again immediate connection failed |
| 16:46.25 | SeRi | Mhhhhh |
| 16:47.32 | agogo | i tried 16881 port..failed..used port forwarder check..16881 failed udp check..5900 passes |
| 16:47.36 | agogo | this is on the laptop |
| 16:48.35 | agogo | okay..port 8000 is open..used that..failed again |
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| 16:48.42 | SeRi | you shouldnt have to forward ports.... if is in the internal NAT |
| 16:49.03 | NeoStrider | hello folks |
| 16:49.09 | SeRi | hello there |
| 16:50.12 | NeoStrider | whats up, doc? |
| 16:50.22 | agogo | lemme try the other way around..install vncserver on n800..and try to view it from laptop |
| 16:50.45 | SeRi | good idea |
| 16:54.04 | agogo | while i install x11vnc..all of the installations are installed on the internal memory or? how many programs can I install until n800 says no more? |
| 16:55.01 | SeRi | Dont wait till the M800 tells you install a packege call diskusage and watch your space |
| 16:55.13 | SeRi | fulling your root directory can render your device unusable |
| 16:55.20 | SeRi | N800* |
| 16:55.44 | agogo | root directory saves on somethins separate than the internal and external sd? |
| 16:56.12 | SeRi | the sd are seperate |
| 16:56.48 | SeRi | you can see whats going on there by going to control panel --- memory |
| 16:57.17 | agogo | okay..i isntalled x11vnc..tried to run it..but there doesn't seem to be anything popping up..normal? |
| 16:57.23 | SeRi | Yes normal |
| 16:57.43 | SeRi | You can run pas x you should be able to see it in xter with tha command |
| 16:57.47 | SeRi | ps x |
| 16:58.02 | SeRi | damn man my typos are getting worst! |
| 17:00.26 | agogo | i see x11vnc running with psx, laptop unable to connect to it |
| 17:00.54 | SeRi | ok now type iptables -L |
| 17:01.11 | SeRi | there should be no entry |
| 17:01.56 | agogo | in root eh? coz now when i type it..no iptables found |
| 17:02.14 | SeRi | yes root |
| 17:02.34 | SeRi | sorry I assume |
| 17:02.58 | agogo | okay..I see Chain input, output, forward..but no entries |
| 17:03.16 | agogo | just empty target, prot opt source, destination |
| 17:03.30 | agogo | by the way..you type fast if you are using ur n800 to vnc, Seri |
| 17:04.28 | SeRi | o no not no more |
| 17:04.30 | SeRi | :) |
| 17:04.50 | SeRi | cam back to the family room :) kids are running everywhere |
| 17:05.10 | agogo | so nothin u can see there? |
| 17:05.21 | SeRi | ok c00l so is empty now lets just try a reboot |
| 17:05.25 | SeRi | shutdown -r now |
| 17:06.29 | agogo | it won't do anything after i typed in shutdown -r |
| 17:06.38 | SeRi | you need the now |
| 17:06.44 | SeRi | :) |
| 17:06.53 | SeRi | shutdown -r now |
| 17:06.58 | SeRi | Thats the command ^^ |
| 17:07.05 | SeRi | have to be root |
| 17:07.17 | agogo | cool..i thought u were just being commanding..NOW!! |
| 17:08.02 | agogo | allright..restarted |
| 17:08.14 | agogo | turn on x11vnc and try again? |
| 17:08.45 | SeRi | lol |
| 17:08.57 | SeRi | Yes try the x11vnc |
| 17:09.06 | agogo | maybe its relavant..but my media stream cannot see upnp server from desktop |
| 17:09.38 | agogo | succes!!!!! |
| 17:09.42 | SeRi | ;) |
| 17:10.10 | agogo | i can see my n800 now..but cannot do anything..but thats a different story |
| 17:10.16 | agogo | lemme try the other way around |
| 17:10.17 | SeRi | c00l I am happy is all working |
| 17:10.29 | SeRi | yes you you can you just dont see the pointer |
| 17:10.50 | SeRi | oo and clicks dont work on the meny bar buton everything else does |
| 17:11.08 | SeRi | If you want a pointer I can give you a script to enable and disable pointer |
| 17:11.19 | SeRi | menu* |
| 17:11.29 | agogo | allright..but later :) |
| 17:11.38 | SeRi | VNC should work too |
| 17:11.50 | agogo | my x11vnc turned off when the screen blacked out |
| 17:12.01 | SeRi | oo it didnt is just a flash |
| 17:12.10 | SeRi | move the mouse |
| 17:12.38 | SeRi | It use to happen to me but all i did was move the mouse |
| 17:12.53 | SeRi | or refresh the screen |
| 17:12.58 | agogo | hmm..now i cant reconnect |
| 17:13.34 | SeRi | Mhhhhhh |
| 17:13.46 | agogo | okay..success only on first try |
| 17:13.47 | SeRi | Try to reconnect whith the screen on |
| 17:13.54 | SeRi | ok |
| 17:13.57 | agogo | oppps..spoke too soon |
| 17:13.59 | agogo | success again |
| 17:14.05 | SeRi | ok now disconnect and try vnc client |
| 17:14.39 | SeRi | Man seems like you have Networking issues there if you are getting disconnected that often |
| 17:16.01 | agogo | maybe..my wireless connection with n800 drops a lot..have to reconnect every now and then..never a problem with laptop or desktop |
| 17:16.28 | agogo | but now its okay..but vncviewer saying "cannot connect to server" |
| 17:17.04 | SeRi | what kind of router you have? |
| 17:17.11 | agogo | linksys |
| 17:17.30 | SeRi | version? |
| 17:17.37 | SeRi | WRT54G? GS? |
| 17:17.54 | agogo | wrt54g |
| 17:18.13 | SeRi | 3rd party firmware? |
| 17:18.25 | SeRi | openWRT? DD-WRT? |
| 17:18.29 | agogo | nope..default |
| 17:19.00 | agogo | original firmware..never updated |
| 17:19.18 | SeRi | Mhhhhhhh I think thats the problem..... Any wais what kind of signal strength you have? |
| 17:20.25 | agogo | with n800..3 bars |
| 17:20.34 | agogo | lemme find a firmware update |
| 17:20.45 | SeRi | ok |
| 17:21.20 | SeRi | I think your router has issues a firmware update wouldnt hust... unless you manage to brick it :P |
| 17:21.28 | SeRi | hurtt* |
| 17:21.51 | NeoStrider | uploading my project to garage's svn! \o/ |
| 17:22.11 | SeRi | nice |
| 17:22.17 | SeRi | what project? |
| 17:22.36 | NeoStrider | angstron |
| 17:22.40 | NeoStrider | that armagetron clone |
| 17:22.51 | SeRi | Ahh the game c00l |
| 17:22.53 | SeRi | ! |
| 17:23.06 | NeoStrider | you know it? |
| 17:24.03 | agogo | Seri..i'm ashamed to ask..how do i update the firmware? downloaded the .bin file |
| 17:24.04 | NeoStrider | (oh no...I did a mistake) |
| 17:24.40 | SeRi | Yes I saw your release in maemo |
| 17:24.48 | SeRi | agogo download the bin file |
| 17:25.10 | SeRi | dont try the 3rd party just use linksys |
| 17:25.10 | agogo | reading the manual now.. |
| 17:25.14 | SeRi | ok |
| 17:25.16 | agogo | i think i can do this |
| 17:25.33 | SeRi | let me know if you need help I am going to idle for a bit |
| 17:25.53 | SeRi | setting the ftp server for everybody in ITT |
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| 17:33.51 | agogo | seri..upgrade done...vncviewer unable to connect |
| 17:34.12 | NeoStrider | hey! |
| 17:34.13 | NeoStrider | http://angstron.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 17:34.37 | NeoStrider | the background image is off?! |
| 17:34.44 | NeoStrider | oh...ok...now it worked |
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| 17:35.46 | SomeoneE1se | anyone know the advrage battery life on the n800 |
| 17:36.16 | SeRi | did you reboot the N800? |
| 17:36.46 | alterego | SomeoneE1se, mine lasts for 6 hours of general usage. |
| 17:36.52 | alterego | That's browsing the web and stuff. |
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| 17:37.10 | SomeoneE1se | does it die if you leave it unplugged overnight? |
| 17:37.47 | alterego | Nope. |
| 17:37.55 | alterego | Unless the battery was already flat. |
| 17:38.14 | alterego | It can last for days no "stand-by" which is basically when it's idle and doing nothing. |
| 17:38.22 | alterego | s/no/on |
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| 17:39.42 | SomeoneE1se | well then I hope it was flat |
| 17:39.55 | SomeoneE1se | else my battery is fubard |
| 17:39.59 | alterego | Heh |
| 17:40.21 | alterego | Does it turn on? |
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| 17:44.56 | SomeoneE1se | yes |
| 17:45.39 | SomeoneE1se | i was useing a few hours last night and locked the key pad beforfe i want to bed (about 1am) and woke up (about 9am) and the batteyr was dead |
| 17:45.46 | SomeoneE1se | it's charging now |
| 17:46.04 | SomeoneE1se | I had left the battery in the car I let my firend borrow |
| 17:47.30 | NeoStrider | hi unique311 |
| 17:49.42 | unique311 | hello NeoStrider |
| 17:50.09 | NeoStrider | do you have yout device on internet right now? |
| 17:50.55 | unique311 | yes |
| 17:51.02 | unique311 | its always |
| 17:51.20 | unique311 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:51.55 | NeoStrider | so, please test this website for me? |
| 17:51.56 | NeoStrider | http://angstron.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 17:52.09 | NeoStrider | tell me if its easy to navigate through it with the table |
| 17:52.11 | NeoStrider | tablet |
| 17:53.29 | Sho_ | too bad there's no driver for the PowerVR MBX OpenGL ES chip in the system |
| 17:53.57 | VladDrac | dark blue on dark background.. you must dislike visitors :) |
| 17:53.58 | SomeoneE1se | NeoStrider I can tell from my descktop teh banner is WAY to big |
| 17:54.17 | SomeoneE1se | the banner should be no more then 850px wide |
| 17:54.27 | NeoStrider | actually, its taken from the game tittle screen |
| 17:54.32 | NeoStrider | so it should fit |
| 17:54.37 | Sho_ | SomeoneE1se: It's 799px wide |
| 17:54.51 | Sho_ | (which is still too wide to fit into the non-fullscreen browser without fit-to-width view) |
| 17:54.53 | SomeoneE1se | is there a good irc client for the n800 |
| 17:55.04 | SomeoneE1se | Sho_ now eveyone uses full screen |
| 17:55.16 | SomeoneE1se | gtg |
| 17:55.19 | NeoStrider | yeah...your're right |
| 17:55.32 | NeoStrider | testing offline with my 770 |
| 17:55.36 | NeoStrider | it sucked eheh |
| 17:56.39 | NeoStrider | and about the font colors? |
| 17:57.20 | NeoStrider | ok... |
| 17:57.23 | NeoStrider | BRB |
| 17:57.24 | NeoStrider | lunch |
| 17:59.09 | SomeoneE1se | the bground img is to bid it will take less tiem to download smaller |
| 18:03.36 | __pv | xchat? |
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| 18:13.32 | __pv | what kind of network file sharing systems does the maemo file manager see? |
| 18:13.48 | __pv | it appears to detect and show mythtv, but what else? |
| 18:17.10 | SeRi | orb |
| 18:17.12 | SeRi | Ushare |
| 18:17.33 | SeRi | Tversity |
| 18:17.51 | SeRi | Ushare is what I use in my network |
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| 18:26.47 | jga23 | is there a version of rsync for maemo? |
| 18:27.24 | SeRi | yes |
| 18:27.36 | SeRi | apt-get install rsync grsync |
| 18:28.21 | SeRi | or |
| 18:28.23 | SeRi | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/grsync |
| 18:28.34 | SeRi | There is also rdiff-backup |
| 18:29.53 | jga23 | sweet thank |
| 18:30.18 | SeRi | no problem |
| 18:30.29 | celesteh_frackin | hi, i'm trying to install jalimo, but i don't understand which pieces that i need |
| 18:31.07 | SeRi | jalimo....?!? |
| 18:31.12 | SeRi | link me please |
| 18:31.27 | celesteh_frackin | http://jalimo.org |
| 18:32.18 | SeRi | ahhhhh |
| 18:32.19 | SeRi | ok |
| 18:32.22 | SeRi | give me a sec |
| 18:32.41 | celesteh_frackin | thanks. |
| 18:33.11 | celesteh_frackin | is there a better java distro? I just want to run stupid java apps, like a flickr uploader and some google toys |
| 18:33.53 | SeRi | No I thinks thats the best it gets |
| 18:33.59 | SeRi | looks like there is a click to install |
| 18:34.01 | SeRi | http://jalimo.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages |
| 18:34.28 | SeRi | That should make it easy to install that will add a repo to your application manager and install everything you need |
| 18:34.56 | jga23 | Seri, what repositories do I need for rsync? |
| 18:35.08 | SeRi | Use the click to install jga23 |
| 18:35.44 | SeRi | never mind jga23 |
| 18:36.18 | SeRi | just download the debfiles and use apt-get -i file_name.deb |
| 18:36.45 | SeRi | or use the application manager to install deb |
| 18:37.12 | jga23 | k |
| 18:37.31 | jga23 | what is grsync for? |
| 18:38.10 | SeRi | is a GUI for rsync |
| 18:38.15 | SeRi | make things easier |
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| 18:43.16 | celesteh_frackin | SeRi, the click to install does not work |
| 18:43.29 | SeRi | waz up unique311 |
| 18:43.45 | unique311 | doing good |
| 18:44.02 | SeRi | c00l... just a boring sudnay here |
| 18:44.08 | SeRi | sunday* |
| 18:44.42 | unique311 | same here.. |
| 18:45.11 | SeRi | hehehe I am not sure if to apply for a page at maemo.org for my projects or to start blogging... |
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| 18:45.34 | unique311 | blogging sounds good.. |
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| 18:45.57 | SeRi | what blogging page you recomend? |
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| 18:47.34 | SeRi | wordpress seems ok |
| 18:52.33 | whaq | Heya |
| 18:52.37 | whaq | Can the N800 print to PDF? |
| 18:52.46 | whaq | (web pages on opera, say) |
| 18:57.19 | SeRi | not sure I dont think |
| 18:57.29 | SeRi | I dont think it has convert |
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| 19:03.42 | whaq | SeRi: what about printing? cups or samba? |
| 19:04.21 | SeRi | cups no |
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| 19:04.31 | SeRi | if no cups no printing ;) |
| 19:04.34 | SeRi | no lpr |
| 19:04.38 | SeRi | samba yes |
| 19:04.48 | agogo | Seri, hows your Sunday work going on |
| 19:05.05 | whaq | oh.. |
| 19:05.11 | megabyte405 | SeRi: what are you printing from? |
| 19:05.16 | whaq | hmm.. |
| 19:05.27 | SeRi | HAHAHAHAHAHA @ agogo |
| 19:05.35 | SeRi | Is going good... |
| 19:05.38 | SeRi | :P |
| 19:05.48 | whaq | a device w/ this size w/ evernote or onenote would be killer for note taking.. |
| 19:06.04 | SeRi | @megabyte405 I dont print from my N800 or 770 |
| 19:06.16 | megabyte405 | ah |
| 19:06.44 | whaq | megabyte405: I was asking whether you can print from n800 to a physical printer or not.. |
| 19:06.58 | megabyte405 | whaq: in theory, over samba :) |
| 19:07.05 | megabyte405 | you'd need to build some printing libraries though |
| 19:07.07 | agogo | Seri, I'm moving on from vnc to trying to use CIFS (aka i've given up on vnc) |
| 19:07.17 | SeRi | ok cifs is very simple |
| 19:07.24 | whaq | megabyte405: ok, thanks :] that's pretty abundant (samba print servers) here |
| 19:07.44 | whaq | megabyte405: what printing libraries? how? |
| 19:07.48 | SeRi | If you go to ITT I posted a cifs script that automates the mounting for you and the cifs.ko insertion |
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| 19:08.07 | megabyte405 | whaq: it's pretty in depth |
| 19:08.09 | agogo | cool..i'm typing it out right now..what is ITT again? |
| 19:08.10 | SeRi | @megabyte405: In theory yes but is not possible in the N800 |
| 19:08.16 | whaq | megabyte405: alright nevermind then.. |
| 19:08.22 | SeRi | internettablettalk.com |
| 19:08.28 | megabyte405 | you'd need to build libgnomeprint and some backend (cups or lpr), and hook it up to samba |
| 19:08.39 | megabyte405 | then compile a program to use libgnomeprint, like abiword |
| 19:08.42 | SeRi | yeap meaning porting lpr or cups |
| 19:08.43 | megabyte405 | AKA - not for end users |
| 19:08.53 | agogo | internettabletalk :P..shouldve known |
| 19:08.55 | SeRi | hehehe ^^ |
| 19:08.55 | whaq | anyhow, it's probably easier and simpler to export the docs to SD or CIFS share and have a proper desktop print the docs out |
| 19:08.58 | megabyte405 | SeRi: well, those are just daemons/command line - easy peasy |
| 19:09.05 | agogo | lemme search for "Seri cifs script" |
| 19:09.23 | SeRi | not sure about cups but lpr should be simple |
| 19:09.30 | SeRi | LOL |
| 19:09.35 | SeRi | hold on agogo |
| 19:09.38 | whaq | lots of linux mobile device emerging.. |
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| 19:10.14 | unique311 | my connection just went silly on me |
| 19:11.06 | SeRi | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=55698&postcount=1 |
| 19:11.10 | SeRi | agogo^^ |
| 19:11.33 | agogo | nice seri..thanks |
| 19:12.17 | SeRi | n/p |
| 19:12.34 | SeRi | Just make sure you downlod cifs.ko |
| 19:13.00 | agogo | already have cifs.ko..now just to understand what the hell that you're saying here on the post :) |
| 19:13.49 | SeRi | lol :) |
| 19:15.59 | SeRi | wife is about to get home/... so support for the day will end soon :) |
| 19:17.30 | agogo | hmphh..ithought i installed unzip..apparently not |
| 19:20.49 | agogo | seri..your scripts.zip..its obviously a zip..or is it a rar? unzip says its not a zip file |
| 19:24.09 | SeRi | I dont remember I am going to tar it |
| 19:24.25 | agogo | it is a rar file..had to use unrar |
| 19:24.52 | agogo | however,i have saved it in my .documents..so will need to figure out how to move that stuff to /usr/bin |
| 19:24.59 | SeRi | I think is a rar |
| 19:25.23 | SeRi | you need to edit them and make it work for your path |
| 19:25.28 | SeRi | ok guys wife is here |
| 19:25.40 | agogo | okay |
| 19:25.52 | SeRi | cya! |
| 19:25.56 | SeRi | ill be back later |
| 19:29.30 | pupnik | got onscreen buttons working in Ur Quan Masters - testers needed. I am too lame with combat to kill anything. |
| 19:29.43 | SeRi | ooo by the way agogo if you need more help I also hang arround in ITT |
| 19:30.15 | SeRi | I think most of us in here do |
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| 19:36.31 | agogo | thanks Seri |
| 19:36.41 | agogo | has anyone used Seri's automount for Cifs? |
| 19:45.19 | NeoStrider | whats going on, fellows? |
| 19:46.25 | pupnik | they make it playable :) sorta. combat is still hellaciously tough for me. |
| 19:46.38 | pupnik | can my app set the screen sensitivity to be higher? |
| 19:46.55 | pupnik | salut NeoStrider |
| 19:47.08 | NeoStrider | hey pupnik! |
| 19:47.33 | NeoStrider | obligatory self-promotion to pupnik: http://angstron.garage.maemo.org/ ;-Ç |
| 19:47.34 | NeoStrider | =-P |
| 19:47.39 | pupnik | if i start tweaking with the difficulty the game developers will string me up |
| 19:47.50 | pupnik | yeah i saw - will try that |
| 19:48.16 | NeoStrider | urquam masters? |
| 19:48.27 | NeoStrider | (did I spelled it correcly?) |
| 19:48.52 | pupnik | Google: Results 1 - 50 of about 326 for "star control 2" "greatest game ever" |
| 19:49.05 | pupnik | Ur-Quan Masters |
| 19:50.13 | NeoStrider | hahahhaha |
| 19:50.45 | pupnik | I have a feeling this game is way too hard as-is for the nokia controls. |
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| 19:51.54 | pupnik | ITT forums increased number of private messages allowed. Yaay |
| 19:52.06 | pupnik | maybe it was my 51st private message that crashed it :P |
| 19:52.31 | pupnik | If anyone can help test, drop a message to ArnimS in internettablettalk.com forums |
| 19:52.35 | NeoStrider | pupnik, I have a feeling any game is way too hard as-is for the nokia controls. |
| 19:52.49 | NeoStrider | whe must re-think our interfaces |
| 19:53.31 | pupnik | http://www.smartgamepad.com/ |
| 19:53.42 | pupnik | that could be modified to fit around the n770/800 |
| 19:54.28 | pupnik | you'd have to saw it in half and lengthen it, or build a whole new case |
| 19:55.22 | NeoStrider | ugly! hahaha |
| 19:55.27 | NeoStrider | but would be nice |
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| 19:58.15 | cbx33 | hey all |
| 20:01.13 | NeoStrider | hey cbx33! |
| 20:01.57 | badvoc | Hi, Quick question to the n770 users that are running Hacker Edition OS. Is it still worth is if your not botherd about web browsing ? |
| 20:04.09 | milhouse | Browsing was fine for me on 2007HE |
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| 20:07.12 | verto | Hey all, has anyone come across any kind of program (even cooprate) that would allow me to stream my music from a computer over the web? I have a domain pointing to my ip address that I can manipulate to a port so I can access my music from anywhere, but without tunneling it wont play. I am looking for something a lil easier that would just set it up as if it were a internet radio station. Any ideas? |
| 20:07.25 | badvoc | thanks for responding, I have a n770 on ordure and the upgrade to 2007HE is intresting for me to boost the storage on the device as i understand the standard amount is 1Gb He is 2Gb, |
| 20:08.07 | NeoStrider | verto... i guess canola does that |
| 20:08.09 | milhouse | 2GB is available in latest OS 2006 also |
| 20:08.36 | milhouse | You don't need 2007HE to use 2GB memory cards |
| 20:09.45 | badvoc | Ah Great thanks for the clues. back to reading faq's |
| 20:09.53 | pupnik | icecast is a streaming server for linux |
| 20:10.22 | verto | I am reading through iceast atm |
| 20:10.26 | verto | icecast* |
| 20:10.32 | pupnik | badvoc: i had a 2gb card on it2006 no problems |
| 20:10.34 | pupnik | just slow |
| 20:10.55 | pupnik | but you can flash to a 52mhz mmcplus kernel for either 2006 or 2007 |
| 20:11.09 | verto | I have already tried several, I don't have linux on a machine atm, I have been meaning to fix that, but been a lil busy. So canola is a no-go. Icecast has a windows version I am trying now |
| 20:11.26 | pupnik | there is an #icecast channel here iirc |
| 20:12.06 | verto | on freenode? |
| 20:12.14 | pupnik | y |
| 20:12.16 | verto | pupnik: thanks |
| 20:15.57 | cbx33 | anyone here good with scratchbox |
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| 20:23.29 | SeRi | I love htop :) |
| 20:29.35 | pupnik | cbx33: just ask the question |
| 20:31.14 | pupnik | I have some dead notebook batteries to give away, free of charge. |
| 20:34.23 | pupnik | I liked your n800 successor blog entry |
| 20:34.28 | pupnik | good ideas imo |
| 20:34.47 | thoughtfix | Thanks. Actually my readers offered the best ideas in comments |
| 20:34.58 | verto | Woo, I just got slimserver working |
| 20:35.06 | pupnik | pretty contradictory ideas about what people want |
| 20:35.34 | verto | Very easy, it reads a directory and syncs with other players to make playlists. Streams my music to my domain |
| 20:35.42 | pupnik | i think the idea about gaming-compatible buttons on the side just won't sit well with people looking at these primarily as tablets |
| 20:35.44 | verto | my n800 is playing it now |
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| 20:36.22 | thoughtfix | But that's the point |
| 20:36.25 | thoughtfix | Contradictory ideas |
| 20:36.30 | pupnik | on the other hand, if they made another sliding case, there could be optional cases with integrated buttons on the side... They'd be larger and more bulky, but you would have the option for the normal case, or the case + buttons |
| 20:36.37 | thoughtfix | Maybe there will be more than one internet tablet in the product line at a time. |
| 20:36.43 | thoughtfix | Perhaps a slate and a slider or a clamshell |
| 20:36.49 | pupnik | mhm |
| 20:36.57 | thoughtfix | To be honest, I don't think people like clamshells as much as slates and sliders |
| 20:37.13 | cbx33 | verto cool |
| 20:37.15 | pupnik | yes the clamshells look old school - i think marketing wise they're not so popular |
| 20:37.19 | bburd | Hello -- I'm new to the Nokia770, new to this chat room, etc. and I have a question... |
| 20:37.30 | pupnik | welcome bburd |
| 20:37.37 | bburd | Thank you. |
| 20:39.27 | thoughtfix | This is where the Palm Foleo went wrong. It tried to make a "laptop companion" in subnotebook size and form factor |
| 20:39.34 | thoughtfix | At the cost of some current subnotebooks, too. |
| 20:39.44 | bburd | I'm trying to install GPS software. First I have to install libpcre3. I downloaded the .deb file from http://www.elisanet.fi/tapio.tolvanen/nokia770.html, but when I try to install it, I get an "unable to install package ... incompatible with existing software" message. I'm using the application installer to do the install. I've already installed some other software. Could there be a conflict? If so, how do I find out what conflicts with what? |
| 20:40.00 | thoughtfix | The ONLY advantage it has is instant-on and battery life. Everything else (especially the propretary OS) is a disadvantage. |
| 20:40.50 | pupnik | ya. i like the styling tho |
| 20:41.03 | milhouse | you may as well carry a laptop |
| 20:42.02 | pupnik | if those openembedded guys ever get their kernel working on the psion netbook pro, i'm going to be really tempted |
| 20:42.58 | pupnik | i just love the book-size form factor |
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| 20:43.19 | pupnik | but the n770 + bt keyboard is more practical imo |
| 20:44.05 | pupnik | if the 800 successor comes with opengl we're going to see Playstation and N64 emus on it :) |
| 20:44.21 | thoughtfix | My hope is that the N800 keep it's features and size, boost up CPU power to handle Web 2.0 better, and offer a scroll wheel and OPTIONAL snap-on keyboard case |
| 20:44.32 | thoughtfix | So it's a convertible slate/slider. |
| 20:44.38 | thoughtfix | or slate/clamshell |
| 20:44.51 | milhouse | i'd like to see the N800 successor shrink a little in size... something close to the 770 |
| 20:44.52 | pupnik | would you keep the integrated slider? |
| 20:45.07 | pupnik | optional clamshell sounds great imo |
| 20:45.07 | milhouse | the n800 is barely pocket friendly as it is |
| 20:45.11 | pupnik | agree |
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| 20:45.17 | thoughtfix | milhouse: Good idea. Make it fit more pockets. But then it'd have to lose the bezel (and buttons) and speaker size |
| 20:45.19 | verto | bbured: did you already update the n800 itself? |
| 20:45.29 | sbaturzio | Aloha! |
| 20:45.38 | thoughtfix | But then the N95 media phone has awesome speakers and is smaller, so Nokia has good microspeaker technology |
| 20:45.39 | milhouse | thoughtfix - i could lose one speaker, stereo speakers are _not_ necessary |
| 20:45.56 | thoughtfix | True - but make it loud enough to work as a VOIP speakerphone |
| 20:46.07 | pupnik | bburd: one way to see conflicts is with apt-get show <packagename> |
| 20:46.23 | milhouse | thoughtfix - agreed, but if it had a2dp and bt headset support... |
| 20:46.35 | pupnik | those little speakers in phones nowadays are all electrostatic afaik. fantastic performance |
| 20:46.41 | bburd | Verto, I don't know what you mean by "update." I'm using the 770 OS. |
| 20:47.10 | bburd | pupnik - I'll try apt-get right now... |
| 20:47.17 | VimSi | N95 with the screen and the os of N800 ... *dream* |
| 20:47.27 | pupnik | bburd: sorry bad advice |
| 20:47.31 | thoughtfix | milhouse: Didn't someone in this channel hack A2DP to work? |
| 20:47.39 | milhouse | yes, trevathan |
| 20:47.53 | milhouse | trevarthan |
| 20:47.53 | _Monkey | trevarthan is a cowardly programmer who stole an n800 from a baby and regularly has relations with my mom. |
| 20:48.00 | milhouse | errr... |
| 20:48.04 | bburd | pupnik - aptget won't help? |
| 20:48.29 | pupnik | bburd: i think you need a libpcre with "armel" in the name for OS it2006 |
| 20:48.32 | pupnik | "arm" was 2005 |
| 20:48.53 | thoughtfix | Hmm ... Anyone have trevarthan's contact info? |
| 20:49.05 | bburd | pupnik - where do I get the correct libpcre? |
| 20:49.11 | milhouse | kagu? |
| 20:49.11 | _Monkey | kagu is a complete rewrite of ukmp with a strong focus on object oriented design and a2dp support. You can find it here: https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu |
| 20:49.19 | milhouse | maybe somewhere on that web site |
| 20:49.36 | pupnik | dunno - must google for it bburd or contact the maintainer tapio.tolvanen@gmail.com |
| 20:49.40 | milhouse | alternatively |
| 20:49.41 | milhouse | a2dp? |
| 20:49.42 | _Monkey | somebody said a2dp was working here http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages#Bluetooth_ALSA and is good. :) If you want a nice frontend GUI for a2dp after following the instructions on that page, ask me about kagu. |
| 20:50.02 | thoughtfix | Time to write a new blog post |
| 20:50.07 | thoughtfix | about "hacks" that should enter firmware |
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| 20:50.34 | gilles | hi here |
| 20:50.35 | milhouse | i can't find it anywhere so i may have imagined it, but did Quim promise BT headset support in the next firmware release? |
| 20:50.50 | bburd | pupnik - so maemo-libpcre3_0.0.1_arm.deb isn't good enough, even though the page says its for Nokia 770? "armel" is different from "arm"? |
| 20:51.24 | gilles | i got a n770and i can't connect using mediatomb |
| 20:51.42 | gilles | any help is welcome |
| 20:51.52 | milhouse | ooooh... new SDHC kernel for 4.2007 has arrived! :) |
| 20:52.00 | milhouse | http://intr.overt.org/blog/?p=54 |
| 20:52.19 | pupnik | bburd: it's compiled for an older operating system. you have a newer one. |
| 20:53.20 | thoughtfix | Is the bugzilla down? |
| 20:54.12 | bburd | pupnik, for my future reference, how do you know that it's compiled for an older version and that I have a newer one? (How can you tell?) Also, would it help if I downloaded the sources on the Web page? Would I have to jump through hoops to compile the sources, or is it relatively easy? |
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| 20:55.20 | verto | thoughtfix: bugzilla has always been down lol. |
| 20:55.38 | thoughtfix | Doh |
| 20:55.40 | verto | At least it has always crashed me |
| 20:56.15 | pupnik | bburd: "armel" in the name indicates a binary built for OS it2006 or later |
| 20:57.23 | milhouse | thougtfix - down for me here (london) |
| 20:59.58 | thoughtfix | Hmm |
| 21:00.04 | thoughtfix | Like a good girlfriend, bugzilla is. |
| 21:00.17 | milhouse | hurrah... just booted 4.2007 with high speed and wide data bus support :) |
| 21:00.34 | pupnik | bburd: there should be an updated version somewhere - i can't test anything with gps |
| 21:00.38 | milhouse | all good so far (after a solid 2 minutes of testing) |
| 21:00.47 | whaq | like a good girlfriend? That it goes down so much?? |
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| 21:00.58 | milhouse | bless ;) |
| 21:01.08 | thoughtfix | whaq: Goes down on you when you need it the most. |
| 21:01.18 | whaq | haha |
| 21:01.46 | bburd | pupnik - Thanks - I'll look into getting an updated libpcr... |
| 21:02.07 | whaq | yep... it always listens to all your problems and never forgets. |
| 21:03.42 | celesteh | anybody here successfully install jalimo? |
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| 21:05.02 | VimSi | anyone know, why my 770 with hackeros07 is not able to make voice-calls via googletalk ? |
| 21:05.29 | __pv | agh, can't get sshfs to work on n800. fuse 2.6.5 & sshfs 1.8 compiled fine, but accessing the mount point hangs |
| 21:10.45 | thoughtfix | Ok... new article on tabletblog |
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| 21:13.47 | SeRi | <thoughtfix> I just apply for the garage account ill update you on the info once up ill post in your blog |
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| 21:13.56 | SeRi | I am out cya! |
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| 21:22.13 | milhouse | bugzilla is back |
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| 21:24.07 | NeoStrider | thoughtfix...about tablet design...what about buttons on the right? |
| 21:24.32 | thoughtfix | NeoStrider: There should be at least a scroll wheel on the right. |
| 21:24.41 | thoughtfix | Gamers seem to want buttons there more than anyone else. |
| 21:24.43 | NeoStrider | i mean for games =-) |
| 21:24.52 | NeoStrider | yeah |
| 21:25.07 | NeoStrider | anyway...you asked for it: http://angstron.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 21:25.31 | NeoStrider | now, I must go |
| 21:25.37 | NeoStrider | see you all later, fellows |
| 21:30.40 | whaq | scrollwheel rocks |
| 21:31.01 | pupnik | i think scrolling with the stylus works fine |
| 21:31.19 | whaq | sure, don't take that away |
| 21:31.21 | thoughtfix | pupnik: The screen would get less wear (and potential scratches) with a wheel |
| 21:31.54 | whaq | but scrollwheel for one-handed operations (menu nav, ebook, etc) |
| 21:31.56 | pupnik | btw i hear that the fingerprint scanners aren't particularly good for security |
| 21:31.57 | pupnik | yeah |
| 21:32.25 | thoughtfix | Perhaps not |
| 21:32.25 | thoughtfix | but |
| 21:32.30 | thoughtfix | they're excellent scrollers |
| 21:32.41 | thoughtfix | Yeah... a real wheel would be better than a fingerprint scanner |
| 21:32.48 | thoughtfix | Especially one with tactile feedback |
| 21:33.45 | whaq | how about slide-out keyboards, but on both sides like the pepperpad? |
| 21:34.15 | whaq | yeah, tactile feedback is a necessity. it's the downfall of iphone. |
| 21:36.54 | milhouse | I used someones BlackBery Pearl the other day - the rollerball on that was pretty good, I only wish it had Missile Command installed |
| 21:37.35 | whaq | milhouse: does it have an onscreen pointer all the time then? |
| 21:37.53 | pupnik | btw penguin command is close to perfect on 770.. still some scaling problems |
| 21:38.03 | thoughtfix | It's also the downfall of my Mighty Mouse. While I like the scrolling trackball on the top, I don't like the lack of feedback |
| 21:38.43 | milhouse | penguin command - that would be ace! :) |
| 21:39.34 | milhouse | my n800 with the new SDHC kernel hasn't fallen over yet - I declare it a success. Been playing audio flawlessly the last 15 mins |
| 21:40.14 | pupnik | it's pretty fun and well done gameplay - very amateurish coding though |
| 21:40.15 | milhouse | media player is sooo shit! |
| 21:40.18 | milhouse | arghh... |
| 21:40.43 | milhouse | wish Nokia would fix the bugs in media player or open source the code so we could have a go |
| 21:41.15 | pupnik | an ogg DSPsink is high on my wishlist |
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| 21:43.49 | thoughtfix | Heh |
| 21:43.57 | thoughtfix | Give me a port of Worms Armageddon |
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| 21:44.19 | trevarthan | what is the best way to get the display's state using python? I want to know when it turns off. |
| 21:44.21 | thoughtfix | Then you'll have to pry my N800 out of my cold, dead hands |
| 21:44.40 | trevarthan | thoughtfix: something tells me that W.A. uses too much CPU.... |
| 21:47.58 | disq | thoughtfix: why does tabletblog.com works but www.tabletblog.com doesn't? any way to fix it? |
| 21:48.17 | thoughtfix | disq: I have to change my hosting for that. Grr. |
| 21:48.41 | pupnik | is worms armageddon 3d? |
| 21:50.24 | trevarthan | pupnik: I don't think so. It might use a 3d engine for rendering though. Not sure. |
| 21:50.36 | pupnik | i liked the old worms a lot |
| 21:52.00 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:52.22 | trevarthan | nope |
| 21:53.02 | trevarthan | looks sweet though. |
| 21:55.32 | trevarthan | building 0.7.9 now |
| 21:55.49 | pupnik | in scratchbox? |
| 21:55.58 | trevarthan | gentoo |
| 21:58.36 | thoughtfix | I am on hold with GoDaddy to fix that |
| 21:59.01 | thoughtfix | Worms Armageddon was the last 2D Worms |
| 21:59.25 | jjo_ | no it wasn't |
| 21:59.37 | jjo_ | worms world party was the last 2d worms |
| 22:00.03 | pupnik | it wants libcurl |
| 22:00.06 | trevarthan | :) no it wasn't. Worms for Xbox Live Arcade was the latest one. |
| 22:00.14 | trevarthan | Just released a few months ago. |
| 22:00.56 | trevarthan | Does anyone know how to get the screen status (on/off) using python? |
| 22:01.14 | maxf | anybody familiar with menelaus? It seems to react when my card in inserted but still doesn't get it mounted. |
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| 22:03.30 | disq | trevarthan: i tried to find it out but couldn't you need to listen the dbus system(?) bus for "signals" |
| 22:03.53 | disq | trevarthan: nothing in Osso classes, probably there's something in Dbus. but couldn't find any example code |
| 22:03.57 | thoughtfix | Okay .... I think I fixed the www.tabletblog.com to forward to tabletblog.com |
| 22:04.10 | thoughtfix | Instead of a CNAME record, it had to be a forwarded subdomain |
| 22:04.12 | disq | trevarthan: also ported maemoscrobbler to n770, works fine, kagu works fine too |
| 22:04.35 | thoughtfix | When the TTL expires, www.tabletblog.com should work |
| 22:04.56 | trevarthan | disq: yeah, I got the message about maemoscrobbler. Any new functionality in the new version? BTW, did you just up and buy a 770? |
| 22:05.57 | trevarthan | pupnik: just tried wormux and got a segfault. gayness. |
| 22:06.05 | disq | trevarthan: i already had the 770 (since early 2006 iirc) there's some new stuff in 0.1.2, but nothing worthy of mentioning in 0.1.2a |
| 22:06.21 | pupnik | somebody did a port for zaurus, should be doable |
| 22:06.41 | pupnik | it wants a lot of stuff though, libcurl, libxml etc yadda |
| 22:07.08 | trevarthan | disq: what does 0.1.2 offer? I'm running 0.1.1. |
| 22:07.54 | trevarthan | is there like a sniffer for dbus or something? |
| 22:10.51 | pupnik | http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=18415&st=30 <<< zaurus oe games... lots of projects |
| 22:11.39 | disq | trevarthan: "dbus-monitor --system" (the signal name is "display_status_ind") |
| 22:11.52 | disq | really couldn't find the time to investigate python-dbus |
| 22:12.37 | trevarthan | disq: search for "set the backlight": http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2007-03-04.log.html |
| 22:12.52 | trevarthan | haha. you suck, _Monkey. |
| 22:13.48 | pupnik | the Sierra SCI interpreter 'freesci' should be port-able. needs the latest darcs sources though |
| 22:14.00 | disq | trevarthan: hmm. then a simple gconf callback should do it i think |
| 22:14.20 | trevarthan | you any good with gconf? I've never used it. |
| 22:14.55 | disq | i've used it in C, mostly cheated from inz's code tho :) |
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| 22:25.48 | pupnik | debhelper v5 would be nice |
| 22:31.13 | disq | trevarthan: found some samples, but that gconf key doesn't contain current display information, just settings |
| 22:31.39 | disq | trevarthan: try gconftool-2 -R /system/osso/dsm/display |
| 22:34.00 | disq | the file /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level does but i don't think there's a feasible way to hook that. will try the dbus approach once more |
| 22:35.57 | trevarthan | disq: I'm pretty sure I can use /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level |
| 22:36.20 | trevarthan | If you find a better way, let me know. But I'll go with that for now. |
| 22:37.08 | disq | trevarthan: reading the python-dbus tutorial now :P |
| 22:37.31 | trevarthan | disq: got a link to that? I'll read it too... |
| 22:37.33 | disq | btw if you'd like to use gconf for configuration, i gathered sample code for that too |
| 22:37.39 | disq | http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus-python/doc/tutorial.html |
| 22:38.25 | trevarthan | I think I'm happy with the prefs module for now. |
| 22:39.54 | trevarthan | I ran that dbus sniffer. dbus definitely looks like the way to go. |
| 22:41.11 | trevarthan | disq: aren't you a dbus wizard already, since you wrote maemoscrobbler and all? |
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| 22:43.44 | trevarthan | looks like we can just use connect_to_signal("display_status_ind", handler, sender_keyword='sender')? |
| 22:46.54 | disq | something like that yeah, i'm trying out some code which isn't really working |
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| 22:49.38 | trevarthan | yeah, I'm not sure how to create an object, then an interface for com.nokia.mce.signal... |
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| 23:09.54 | trevarthan | Any Nokia dbus experts in the channel? |
| 23:14.46 | disq | trevarthan: http://pastebin.ca/630159 closest i got |
| 23:15.33 | disq | trevarthan: appending .signal to dbus_interface makes it throw error messages on every mce dbus event |
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| 23:18.59 | trevarthan | disq: does that code actually do anything for you? |
| 23:19.13 | disq | no :) |
| 23:19.30 | disq | append .signal to the dbus if and it will generate error messages on each event |
| 23:19.46 | disq | that's the level of blindness i'm shooting :P |
| 23:19.51 | trevarthan | exceptions, yeah |
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| 23:21.36 | disq | won't work if you don't import dbus.glib though, btw. and i think the dbus bindings on the device are outdated |
| 23:23.51 | disq | btw to make maemoscrobble work i had to build libcurl and libconic from the n800 source debs. the libcurl in the 770 latest fw is outdated and has some deprecated functions :) |
| 23:32.46 | trevarthan | disq: got it |
| 23:33.02 | disq | good news! how |
| 23:33.12 | disq | i was desperately browsing carman sources |
| 23:34.22 | trevarthan | http://pastebin.ca/630175 |
| 23:34.56 | trevarthan | displays: "got signal from u'on'" and "got signal from u'off'" |
| 23:35.06 | disq | :) |
| 23:35.23 | disq | there's also "dimmed" when the backlight is off but the screen's still on |
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| 23:35.57 | trevarthan | it's funny. I had almost that exact same code, but I kept getting the "member_keyword" exception. So I removed it and all was well. |
| 23:38.19 | disq | btw, i have an "UNKNOWN" artist with a known album name. but the tracks in the album are from different artists (and the album names wouldn't match either) |
| 23:38.35 | disq | erm sorry. known artist with an unknown album name |
| 23:38.52 | disq | the tracks in it are from different artists (possibly unknown) |
| 23:41.21 | trevarthan | so, I guess we want to kick over to the idle event loop in kagu whenever the screen status changes to "off". We'll keep running the normal loop for "on" and "dimmed". |
| 23:42.31 | trevarthan | that'll chew up battery like crazy, but at least the user can turn off the screen to mitigate the drain. |
| 23:43.05 | trevarthan | or maybe we should kick to the idle loop on 'dimmed' too? |
| 23:43.20 | disq | have to check how dimmed behaves when the brightness is set to one bar |
| 23:44.34 | trevarthan | Might be useful to throw battery states into the mix too. For example, kick to idle loop only for 'off' when plugged in, but kick to idle loop for 'off' and 'dimmed' when on battery? |
| 23:44.50 | disq | would be great for in-car usage |
| 23:45.21 | disq | checked, dimmed isn't the default status with brightness at 1 bar. so it should be the second one. idle at off and dimmed, animate at on |
| 23:45.25 | trevarthan | and desktop usage. |
| 23:47.05 | trevarthan | ok. I'll work on that tonight. I'll make it behave differently for com.nokia.bme.signal's charger_disconnected and charger_connected. |
| 23:47.32 | trevarthan | Hmmm.... how do I query that state at application startup? |
| 23:48.04 | trevarthan | I need to know if it's on charger or off when the app starts. I can't assume... |
| 23:48.42 | disq | hmmm. should be somewhere in /sys |
| 23:48.47 | disq | lemme have a quick look |
| 23:51.57 | trevarthan | gonna run out and get a few more eps of BSG. back in 20... |
| 23:52.08 | disq | mkay |
| 23:52.14 | disq | bsg ftw. :P |
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