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| 00:03.53 | CtrlR | Does anyone know if it is possible to play You Tube videos and the like on the 770? |
| 00:04.30 | milhouse | not using the built in Flash, but you could try UKTUBE + mplayer |
| 00:04.45 | milhouse | UKTUBE downloads the FLV which can then be played in mplayer. |
| 00:05.17 | CtrlR | OK, I'll look into that thanks. |
| 00:05.41 | rebroad | thanks for your answers milhouse and zakx |
| 00:06.12 | milhouse | np |
| 00:06.12 | rebroad | last question: anyone know where i can get a samba server for the n800 please? |
| 00:06.12 | milhouse | server? |
| 00:06.12 | rebroad | yup |
| 00:06.24 | milhouse | Try here http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/ |
| 00:06.41 | Radar | I read a threadd about that on ITT today |
| 00:06.54 | milhouse | not sure if it's a samba server or client... |
| 00:07.22 | alterego | Well, I just tested Ruby-Maemo on a device. |
| 00:07.36 | alterego | Startup is a little slow but it runs okay. :D |
| 00:08.32 | rebroad | milhouse. i didn't see any mention of samba server on that url... |
| 00:08.57 | rebroad | (on the webpage the url pointed to) |
| 00:09.17 | milhouse | reborad: http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/#mmcplus |
| 00:09.33 | milhouse | see where it mentions ZIP files and additional modules? |
| 00:09.40 | milhouse | pptp, nfs, cifs, fuse etc.? |
| 00:09.46 | milhouse | there _may_ be samba in there |
| 00:10.23 | rebroad | ah. i see. thanks. |
| 00:13.34 | milhouse | don't know if it's what you're looking for, but this wiki page may also be useful to you: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowToAccessWindowsCIFS |
| 00:14.28 | milhouse | right i'm off... night all |
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| 00:16.31 | rebroad | goodnight milhouse. and thanks |
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| 00:35.29 | CtrlR | Uktube worked great! Thanks |
| 00:36.24 | CtrlR | Bye |
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| 01:31.38 | anculz | http://rectum.antiville.fr/ |
| 01:31.40 | anculz | http://rectum.antiville.fr/ |
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| 02:24.40 | Rocketman | So, how is everyone liking the new browser? |
| 02:27.42 | pupnik_ | why do these people want a samba server on their nokia |
| 02:28.01 | Rocketman | Probably to make for easier syncing over wifi with a PC |
| 02:28.46 | pupnik_ | if they're using winblows why not just enable the share there and use a samba client on the nokia? |
| 02:29.40 | Rocketman | To me, it makes sense to have the share running from the tablet |
| 02:29.53 | Rocketman | the idea being that they would map the share as a network drive on the PC side |
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| 02:30.23 | Rocketman | and it would allow for easy dragging and dropping of media files and the like |
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| 02:30.36 | pupnik_ | I see |
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| 02:30.59 | pupnik_ | It's not easy for me to think like a microsoftian |
| 02:31.20 | pupnik_ | thanks |
| 02:32.07 | pupnik_ | makes it easier to transfer to a variety of windows boxes as well |
| 02:32.34 | Rocketman | Well, most NIT users are probably running windows |
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| 02:35.41 | Rocketman | I think including samba and an easy to use GUI for it on the NIT side would make a lot of sense |
| 02:35.54 | Rocketman | would make things a lot easier for the casual user |
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| 02:36.54 | Rocketman | I hate plugging in my USB cable or removing my SD cards when I want to plop some podcasts or something on my N800. I guess I could run rsync or something, but I am too damn lazy |
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| 02:58.32 | pupnik_ | Rocketman: i think a samba client and browser would have made sense as part of the stock OS |
| 02:59.35 | Rocketman | Yeah, I think so too |
| 02:59.48 | Rocketman | I can understand them not wanting to support too broad a set of applications |
| 03:00.00 | Rocketman | but basic file sharing would have been nice |
| 03:00.19 | pupnik_ | yeah problem is that samba client or server are bloated pigs |
| 03:00.23 | pupnik_ | many many megabytes |
| 03:00.51 | pupnik_ | maybe an older version would be smaller |
| 03:01.07 | pupnik_ | then you'd have people whining about LDAP support |
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| 03:46.38 | rwhitby | pupnik_: I just use scp over wireless to transfer files |
| 03:46.46 | pupnik_ | me too |
| 03:46.59 | rwhitby | Rocketman should too then :-) |
| 03:46.59 | pupnik_ | rwhitby: btw scp -c blowfish is supposedly a faster encryption |
| 03:47.20 | pupnik_ | rwhitby: n800 or n770? |
| 03:47.21 | rwhitby | yeah, especially with dropbear at the other end |
| 03:47.24 | rwhitby | n800 |
| 03:47.49 | pupnik_ | ok. i get strange drops in speed with scp. starts out fast then goes down to <100kb/s, then goes back up to 300kb/s |
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| 03:48.19 | rwhitby | could possibly be waiting for the entropy generator |
| 03:48.44 | rwhitby | we had a problem on the nslu2 early on where the entropy generator ran out of random numbers and halted any ssh traffic |
| 03:48.58 | pupnik_ | what is nslu2? |
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| 03:49.29 | rwhitby | ~google nslu2 |
| 03:49.31 | pupnik_ | oh a linksys |
| 03:49.33 | pupnik_ | yeah sorry |
| 03:49.56 | rwhitby | did you get our project as the first link, above the product links? (www.nslu2-linux.org) |
| 03:50.30 | pupnik_ | yeas |
| 03:51.26 | timeless | sir: the nokia 770 doesn't have an n in its name |
| 03:52.04 | timeless | rhitby: heh (re entropy collector) |
| 03:52.43 | pupnik_ | looks like an interesting device |
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| 04:11.36 | timeless | cool, sshfs |
| 04:11.38 | timeless | oops |
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| 04:46.17 | milhouse | timeless: does that make it a "okia 770" then? |
| 04:49.06 | milhouse | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6904175.stm - and I thought Gecko glue exploited Maemo power |
| 04:51.33 | cesman | :) |
| 04:52.36 | milhouse | Mozilla Foundation needs a Geckel project |
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| 06:26.08 | colinl | hi there! |
| 06:26.52 | colinl | is there any helper function in libosso or something else, to know whether /media/mmc* are mounted or not? or do I have to do the full gnome_vfs thing? |
| 06:29.51 | timeless | i suspect there's a message indicating it's mounted |
| 06:32.40 | timeless | definitely not in libosso |
| 06:33.11 | timeless | can you use libhildonfm? :) |
| 06:34.37 | timeless | libhildonfm looks like what you want |
| 06:35.02 | timeless | _HildonFileSystemSpecialLocationClass |
| 06:35.06 | timeless | is the internal name |
| 06:35.25 | timeless | figuring out the external name is left as an exercise (the callback is volumes_changed |
| 06:36.54 | timeless | hrm, hildon is supposedly in gnome, right? |
| 06:37.11 | timeless | heh |
| 06:39.28 | pupnik_ | colinl: how about a sys call? |
| 06:39.35 | pupnik_ | checking output of mount, for e.g. |
| 06:40.13 | colinl | timeless: thanks :) |
| 06:40.33 | colinl | pupnik_: it has the disadvantage of requiring a polling instead of having nice signalling :) |
| 06:40.52 | pupnik_ | ah thanks |
| 06:41.20 | timeless | colinl: eventually there should be a public cross reference |
| 06:41.31 | timeless | i'm just taking advantage of my internal cross reference |
| 06:41.38 | colinl | :) |
| 06:41.41 | timeless | i'm supposed to be given the keys for lxr.maemo.org |
| 06:41.49 | timeless | so at some point you'll /probably/ get the same features |
| 06:41.57 | timeless | except for a minor problem... |
| 06:41.57 | colinl | nice to know :) |
| 06:42.05 | timeless | hildon is hosted by gnome these days |
| 06:42.22 | timeless | and the maemo people are banking on not having to manage their sources too |
| 06:42.41 | timeless | which is of course stupid since it means you don't get good cross links for any hildon based code, i.e. most of it |
| 06:43.11 | colinl | yeah... But the maemo people get less work ;-) |
| 06:43.21 | timeless | not work, the work is trivial and i'll do it |
| 06:43.27 | timeless | they're only saving disk space |
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| 06:52.57 | pupnik_ | latest new hampshire poll has RP in the lead of the 2nd tier - ahead of Huckabee, Brownback, Hunter, Gilmore, Thompson |
| 06:53.07 | pupnik_ | oops |
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| 06:59.39 | TimRiker | I have a bluetooth pda/phone and I can't get my n800 to use it as a modem. It seems it only wants to talk to "phones" and not pdas/laptops/etc even if they can offer a bluetooth modem connection. ideas? |
| 07:01.39 | timeless | timriker: there's a wiki or two near maemo.org |
| 07:01.49 | timeless | i'd search their to see what bluetooth profiles can be made to work |
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| 07:03.23 | TimRiker | timeless: :) that's where I'm searching now. :) |
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| 07:41.18 | dpb_ | ugh.. the garage svn viewer is sucky.. why are the fonts on visited links different size than not visited links? ;/ |
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| 07:46.32 | blkhawk[work] | lo |
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| 08:00.28 | geaaru | hi at all! com.nokia.mediaplayer dbus service manage instrospect request? |
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| 08:00.49 | evadnee | hello :) |
| 08:01.00 | evadnee | how can i watch youtube videos on my nokia? |
| 08:01.40 | geaaru | and what is interfaces and method of com.nokia.mediaplayer service? |
| 08:02.17 | evadnee | ? |
| 08:03.33 | evadnee | (rephrase) why can't i watch youtube/flash videos on my nokia internet tablet? |
| 08:05.43 | X-Fade | evadnee: You might want to look at Uktube. |
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| 08:07.36 | blkhawk[work] | anybody know what exactly needs patching in initfs to allow booting from the 2nd partition of a mm card? |
| 08:07.58 | X-Fade | evadnee: konttori made an application for viewing youtube videos.. |
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| 08:09.13 | dpb_ | Is quilt and bc in some maemo repositories? |
| 08:09.13 | evadnee | X-Fade: oo what is it? |
| 08:10.14 | dpb_ | The mozilla browser has them on build depends and apt doesn't find them.. |
| 08:11.23 | dpb_ | timeless? know about those? |
| 08:12.20 | evadnee | is there a video player for the NIT that plays flv or rm files? |
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| 08:14.30 | evadnee | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHnu94Cw59A this guy can do it? |
| 08:29.10 | guardian | does the n800 have the same screen physical dimension as the 770 ? i would like to find a screen protection film model that works on both |
| 08:31.09 | pupnik_ | i think so |
| 08:31.34 | Radar | yes, same screen |
| 08:32.08 | pupnik_ | evadnee: uktube and mplayer will handle most formats |
| 08:32.19 | pupnik_ | (taken together) |
| 08:33.02 | Radar | yeah, uktube saves the flv from youtube then opens it in mplayer |
| 08:34.07 | jani | anyone tried to new browser allready ? |
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| 08:42.06 | blkhawk[work] | flv is just a mp4 file - so mplayer can play it fine |
| 08:45.30 | db48x | dpb_: I had to get them from a debian repository |
| 08:47.07 | Ceg | can someone help me with installing minimo i have the main minimo file but its asking for the runtime files and i can't get them to install :| |
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| 08:53.04 | dpb_ | db48x: yeah, it shouldn't be like that imo :) |
| 08:53.45 | db48x | well |
| 08:53.56 | db48x | those two will pull in a number of other packages |
| 08:54.25 | db48x | and if they maintain a separate copy in their repository, it'll just add overhead with little actual benefit |
| 08:54.33 | db48x | oh, also |
| 08:54.52 | db48x | installing those will probably cause apt to remove a number of important packages |
| 08:55.58 | db48x | what I did was to allow the install to proceed, then edit /var/cache/dpkg/status so that the libc6-dev package didn't list libdb1-dev as a conflict |
| 08:56.22 | db48x | then I could reinstall the packages that had been removed |
| 08:57.15 | Ceg | so i guess its not that simple to install minimo then :| |
| 08:57.16 | Ceg | ? |
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| 08:57.45 | db48x | Ceg: dunno, perhaps nobody else here as attempted it |
| 08:58.13 | guardian | thx radar |
| 08:58.19 | Ceg | oh |
| 08:58.37 | guardian | also, is there a way to log into the device using ssh, then export display to another host, and relaunch hildon ? |
| 08:59.12 | Ceg | wat is it will the internal web broswer when i look a website etc.. and after so long it just close by itself for no reason anyone know y? |
| 09:02.17 | db48x | you might go to #minimo on irc.mozilla.org and see if anyone there has installed minimo on an n800 before |
| 09:02.42 | db48x | though there may not be anyone there at this time of night |
| 09:03.18 | Ceg | no |
| 09:03.23 | Ceg | i meant for a 770 |
| 09:03.24 | Ceg | lol |
| 09:03.33 | db48x | well, either one |
| 09:03.48 | Radar | I have minimo on my n800 |
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| 09:03.58 | dpb_ | there's a minimo project in garage |
| 09:04.22 | Ceg | is it as simple as just install it and use it ? |
| 09:04.36 | Radar | yeah, I just went there, clicked the download, installed no problem |
| 09:05.07 | Ceg | its like i've already got the main minimo file but its asking for like libc6 etc... and thats the problem am only having with it atm |
| 09:05.15 | Radar | and now with microb I never use it, heh |
| 09:05.16 | dpb_ | maemo.org -> downloads -> keyword: minimo |
| 09:05.30 | dpb_ | oh |
| 09:05.34 | Ceg | yeah |
| 09:05.35 | Ceg | lol |
| 09:07.52 | dpb_ | db48x: you installed the _binary_ packages from debian repo? |
| 09:08.26 | Ceg | it says problem with installing libxt6, libice6 and libsm6 is missing |
| 09:10.25 | lardman | morning |
| 09:11.32 | Ceg | dpb_ i've tryed it the way u said todo it but it only opens my app manager up and says updating and nothing else apart from that |
| 09:12.37 | Radar | check tools > log in app manager to see what it's doing |
| 09:12.57 | Ceg | can i do that on a 770 |
| 09:14.16 | Ceg | well if u mean can i see anything to do with the minimo then its a no |
| 09:16.02 | timeless | blkhawk: the nokia os update gateway has a sibling page that offers sources |
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| 09:17.28 | Ceg | i've got the main minimo installf file minimo_16.8-2_armel but its asking for the libice6, libsm6, libxt6 and xlib anyone know where i can find them i have the lastest os 2006 |
| 09:20.54 | AD-N770 | good morning |
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| 09:21.59 | evadnee | the 800 has youtube support with the new update does the 770 have it too? |
| 09:22.15 | timeless | dpb: yeah, what db48x said sorry :) |
| 09:22.33 | Radar | doubtful unless you use the it2007 hacker edition |
| 09:23.12 | evadnee | what? |
| 09:23.40 | Radar | nokia pretty much ignores the 770 now |
| 09:24.05 | evadnee | oh i see |
| 09:24.14 | evadnee | whats this hacker edition you speak of? |
| 09:24.43 | evadnee | i just want to play shockwave/youtube videos on his thing because 770>iphone |
| 09:25.18 | Radar | I don't know much about it other than it exists |
| 09:25.26 | pupnik_ | http://pupnik.de/Nokia970med4.png <<< My dream successor to the N800 |
| 09:25.52 | Radar | maybe check the 770 forum at www.internettablettalk.com? |
| 09:26.07 | pupnik_ | i play youtubes with mplayer on the 770 |
| 09:26.09 | dpb_ | timeless: you know if there's any plans to include them in maemo repos? |
| 09:26.51 | dpb_ | not really developer friendly when I gotta go get the debian sources and build the packages myself.. |
| 09:26.59 | Radar | pupnik_: I think they'd use the nokia logo instead of yours :) |
| 09:28.19 | Enyo | is anyone in here at GUADEC? |
| 09:28.41 | timeless | guardian: sure |
| 09:28.42 | evadnee | exit |
| 09:29.05 | db48x | dpb_: yea |
| 09:29.05 | guardian | timeless: will you tell me how this time ? :) |
| 09:31.16 | dpb_ | db48x: getting and building from the source packages seems easier. I had no conflicts. |
| 09:32.18 | timeless | guardian: DISPLAY=:0 af-sb-init.sh stop |
| 09:32.39 | timeless | guardian: af-sb-init.sh start |
| 09:32.43 | timeless | from your ssh session |
| 09:32.47 | guardian | there is no af-sb-init.sh on the device |
| 09:32.53 | timeless | hrm |
| 09:33.33 | timeless | # Script for starting Maemo environment in Scratchbox. |
| 09:33.47 | db48x | dpb_: I suspect it may have more to do with which debian version you're grabbing them from |
| 09:34.26 | Ceg | anyone know of any good media server for windows to work on the 770 / |
| 09:34.26 | Ceg | ? |
| 09:34.46 | guardian | Ceg: windows media player 11 serves media |
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| 09:35.11 | Ceg | but does it like transcode etc.. to work fine on it tho ? |
| 09:35.13 | dpb_ | oh yeah, well, I grabbed them from sarge, safest.. |
| 09:35.15 | guardian | Ceg: or you might try TVersity media player in case you don't have a genuine windows :D |
| 09:35.28 | guardian | TVersity media server i mean |
| 09:35.32 | guardian | maybe it even does transcode |
| 09:35.44 | timeless | hrm |
| 09:35.46 | timeless | maybe not |
| 09:35.52 | Ceg | lol plus TVersity does i know that but only if i could get the damn thing to work |
| 09:35.53 | timeless | guardian: so... |
| 09:35.56 | guardian | timeless: i tried to stop xserver but the device rebooted |
| 09:36.16 | timeless | the device will reboot if you stop a bunch of key processes |
| 09:36.22 | timeless | so it's not a good idea to do that :) |
| 09:36.40 | timeless | i think you should probably just try creating a second user account on the device |
| 09:36.51 | timeless | and using af-sb-init.sh as that user from an ssh session |
| 09:37.34 | guardian | so you suggest i copy af-sb-init.sh to the device ? |
| 09:37.44 | db48x | hrm |
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| 09:37.48 | timeless | osso-af-sb-startup is the package |
| 09:38.08 | db48x | why does scratchbox use 'armel' as the architecture name, while everyone else uses 'arm' |
| 09:38.11 | timeless | it's a fairly simple package, i'm sure it's available for arm and x86, so yeah, just install it |
| 09:38.19 | timeless | db4x: armel!=arm |
| 09:38.23 | timeless | arm is the old arm architecture |
| 09:38.28 | timeless | armel is the new architecture |
| 09:38.29 | alterego | armel is new |
| 09:38.35 | timeless | arm was BE, armel is LE |
| 09:38.35 | db48x | I thought as much |
| 09:38.42 | timeless | among a bunch of other details |
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| 09:38.53 | timeless | but changing BE/LE is pretty major :) |
| 09:39.04 | db48x | yea |
| 09:39.08 | alterego | Major enough yes :D |
| 09:39.10 | timeless | e.g. spidermonkey doesn't approve when you get it wrong |
| 09:39.34 | lardman | timeless: arm was le too |
| 09:39.35 | alterego | I've been using Qemu. It seems to work pretty well. |
| 09:39.39 | alterego | If a little slow. |
| 09:39.46 | timeless | lardman: um |
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| 09:39.59 | pupnik_ | Radar: if the n900 (or whatever) doesn't have right hand side buttons and a decent dpad, i'm going to look at manufacturing a cradle for it. |
| 09:40.28 | alterego | Meh, I don't want it to have any more buttons. :( |
| 09:40.43 | pupnik_ | buy an iphone. you need de buttons for gaming |
| 09:40.54 | alterego | N800 isn't meant for gaming. |
| 09:41.00 | lardman | timeless: fpa floating point numbers were stored BE even on LE systems, with the move to VFP the floating point numbers are stored with the same endianness |
| 09:41.16 | timeless | http://lists.arm.linux.org.uk/pipermail/linux-arm-kernel/2001-November/006141.html |
| 09:41.32 | pupnik_ | alterego: http://pupnik.de/Nokia970med4.png if it had these, it'd sellll morrrre |
| 09:41.49 | alterego | Rubbish. You don't know that pupnik_ |
| 09:41.57 | timeless | lardman: hrm, |
| 09:42.07 | lardman | timeless: Yes, there are lots of ways to store numbers, but arm on the Nokia was LE, as was it on the Zaurus, etc. |
| 09:42.09 | alterego | I've played tetris a bit on it but I'm not using it for games and I doubt I will ever use it for games. |
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| 09:42.45 | timeless | lardman: ok, i'll sit corrected |
| 09:42.46 | Radar | I'd rather have a slide out keyboard |
| 09:43.01 | timeless | i'd rather have a poney |
| 09:43.04 | timeless | or pony |
| 09:43.08 | timeless | not really picky |
| 09:43.13 | lardman | timeless: I think LE was the way people wrote the code to begin with, that thread is about someone wanting to try BE. I think anyway |
| 09:43.15 | alterego | Yeah, that would be neat. I don't like the lack of screen estate whilst using the onscreen boards. |
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| 09:43.39 | alterego | I'd like the PowerVR chip to work. |
| 09:43.42 | pupnik_ | What do you think sales figures on the Tablets are? Sales figures for the Nintendo DS portable were 485,000 units in *February*. Sales figures for the PSP were 176,000 for the sony PS2 in the same MONTH. |
| 09:44.24 | lardman | alterego: Have you looked at the SDK? |
| 09:44.34 | alterego | pupnik_, both those devices are way off what the internet tablets are. They're two completely different markets that Nokia has tried and failed to interfere with. |
| 09:44.54 | pupnik_ | Would Nokia be smart to release *another* tablet that's "crippled by design" for gaming? |
| 09:45.08 | guardian | buy a psp |
| 09:45.09 | timeless | pupnik: don't accuse nokia of being smart |
| 09:45.09 | alterego | "crippled by design" aye? |
| 09:45.10 | pupnik_ | Not at all. The same people want both functions. |
| 09:45.11 | guardian | case closed |
| 09:45.15 | alterego | Be more imaginative. |
| 09:45.25 | guardian | or buy a ds |
| 09:45.26 | alterego | You wont both versions. |
| 09:45.29 | guardian | works as well |
| 09:45.30 | timeless | this channel is about maemo |
| 09:45.36 | guardian | and if you really love nokia |
| 09:45.40 | guardian | find a ngage on ebay |
| 09:45.43 | alterego | Yes, I'm sure sony and nintendo will do a better job than nokia for games. |
| 09:45.44 | timeless | heh |
| 09:45.45 | guardian | you're welcome =) |
| 09:45.55 | alterego | For starters where are all the games for the internet tablet pupnik_ ? |
| 09:46.10 | alterego | Who's going to write all these games? |
| 09:46.12 | pupnik_ | http://pupnik.de of course :P |
| 09:46.31 | pupnik_ | and b, have you heard of emulators? |
| 09:46.31 | alterego | Maybe you should develop your own platform then :P |
| 09:46.40 | alterego | pupnik_, pointless |
| 09:46.42 | blkhawk[work] | nice |
| 09:46.56 | blkhawk[work] | got my root on mmc working |
| 09:46.59 | alterego | You want to emulate another device? |
| 09:47.05 | alterego | -_- |
| 09:47.15 | alterego | This conversation is getting more and more pointless :P |
| 09:47.16 | timeless | alterego: flash games! |
| 09:47.20 | alterego | WOO! |
| 09:47.27 | timeless | so you can have a battery life of 1-2 hours :) |
| 09:47.32 | alterego | Heh |
| 09:47.37 | timeless | unlike my gameboy which lasts for days |
| 09:47.43 | timeless | and is from what, 1988 |
| 09:47.49 | alterego | Heh |
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| 09:48.10 | inz | Isn't Sega like part of Nokia, we want Sonic on 770/N800! |
| 09:48.32 | alterego | In short, if Nokia were to add gay-ming buttons to the internet tablets they would lose a lot of potential business users. |
| 09:48.38 | timeless | Nokia - Nokia and Sega to take gamers to a new level of mobile ... |
| 09:48.38 | timeless | Nokia and Sega to take gamers to a new level of mobile interactive gaming. |
| 09:48.39 | timeless | press.nokia.com/PR/200211/880103_5.html - |
| 09:48.45 | alterego | Me too. There'd be no way I'd continue if they bought out a PSP. |
| 09:49.21 | alterego | Anyhow, I actually have work to do :D |
| 09:49.31 | alterego | ruby-maemo is coming along really nicely. |
| 09:49.45 | inz | timeless, yeah, I remembered wrongly, they didn't by the whole thing, just "stuff" |
| 09:49.46 | blkhawk[work] | it seems much faster - and I havent even got a better kernel yet |
| 09:50.21 | pupnik_ | the 3430 will be powerful enough to emulate most 8-bit consoles and run most 2D sdl games. With the DynRec CPU on dosbox it should also emulate a 386 PC. |
| 09:51.00 | __Nikos__ | I use a static ip on n800, i can connect to the internet but i cannot ping the device. Ping works fine when i get an ip automatically |
| 09:51.11 | pupnik_ | With cyclone core, full-speed amiga and atari 68k will be possible. |
| 09:51.30 | pupnik_ | *8-16 bit consoles |
| 09:52.14 | alterego | Sounds really boring. |
| 09:53.13 | blkhawk[work] | Amiga isn't boring |
| 09:53.36 | blkhawk[work] | plus zelda is cool - and smb3 isn't half bad either |
| 09:53.56 | pupnik_ | There are a lot of PSP and DS owners who are buying them for the hacked emulation |
| 09:53.58 | pupnik_ | yep |
| 09:54.11 | Radar | who needs those? where have solitaire! |
| 09:54.19 | timeless | where? |
| 09:54.23 | blkhawk[work] | I should write a guide on how to make MMC bootable with just a linuxpc |
| 09:54.31 | Radar | s/where/we |
| 09:54.46 | blkhawk[work] | the guides in the wiki are too OS version specific |
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| 09:55.19 | blkhawk[work] | is ext3 or ext2 better as FS on the mmc? |
| 10:00.17 | __Nikos__ | is there a firewall on n800? |
| 10:00.30 | blkhawk[work] | __Nikos__: no |
| 10:00.40 | blkhawk[work] | __Nikos__: and it usually should answer to pings |
| 10:01.50 | __Nikos__ | blkhawk[work]: when i get an ip automatically ping, ssh etc works fine. When i use a static ip i can connect on the internet but i cannot ping |
| 10:03.53 | blkhawk[work] | __Nikos__: maybe the script that sets the ip is faulty |
| 10:04.02 | blkhawk[work] | do you have root? |
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| 10:05.01 | __Nikos__ | blkhawk[work]>: yes i have root and i set the ip from Control panel-> connectivity |
| 10:05.51 | __Nikos__ | blkhawk[work]>: from the device i can ping other pcs not the opposite though |
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| 10:07.50 | blkhawk[work] | __Nikos__: i suggest you try to see what ifconfig can tell you when you are running with DHCP and when you arent |
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| 10:09.13 | __Nikos__ | blkhawk[work]>: I've already made o quick check on that but i'll try again thanks |
| 10:11.27 | blkhawk[work] | __Nikos__: I might try to replicate your problem with os2005 once I reboot my device |
| 10:12.05 | __Nikos__ | blkhawk[work]>: Ok thanks a lot! |
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| 10:16.32 | timeless | arg |
| 10:17.01 | timeless | what names does gnudiff have? |
| 10:19.22 | blkhawk[work] | any idea why some packages comlain that they are already installed? |
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| 10:20.09 | Jaffa | timeless: just had a bit of a moan on #1695, I'm afraid ;-) |
| 10:21.21 | timeless | jaffa: i don't know what to do |
| 10:21.30 | timeless | if you guys stick it in n800:browser, it's valid |
| 10:21.44 | timeless | if i move it there, some idiot will file it against in n800:browser (mozilla engine) |
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| 10:22.01 | Jaffa | timeless: It's generally the responsibility of the people who know the structure of the internal projects to move bugs to the right place. |
| 10:22.14 | Jaffa | timeless: when that happens they can get a good slapdown and it closed as DUPLICATE. |
| 10:22.26 | Jaffa | timeless: you happy for me to try & reopen it and assign it to n800:browser? |
| 10:22.27 | timeless | jaffa: it's generally the tendency of reporters to only search for bugs in the one place they expect the bug to be in |
| 10:22.35 | timeless | be my guest |
| 10:23.00 | Jaffa | timeless: really? I always search everything, cos I know how crap people are at categorising. But then I'm a neat freak who knows users are crap ;-) |
| 10:23.00 | timeless | but i expect you to do the slapping when it gets filed in mozilla engine the next time |
| 10:23.09 | timeless | jaffa: look at the bug |
| 10:23.21 | timeless | they're clear about wanting to file it in mozilla engine |
| 10:23.44 | timeless | " Since this is the only mozilla related |
| 10:23.44 | timeless | category it's rather hard to file enhancement requests against other |
| 10:23.46 | timeless | applications. " |
| 10:23.55 | timeless | they were not going to look in n800:browser |
| 10:24.17 | Jaffa | timeless: I'll happily slap people. Especially when I'm in a bad mood/feeling ill like today. |
| 10:24.33 | timeless | anyway, be my guest |
| 10:25.00 | timeless | note that the reason enhancement isn't removed is because it's a global property of bugzilla |
| 10:25.11 | Jaffa | ta - I think everyone's still just happy to have an open source, Mozilla-based browser engine. |
| 10:25.19 | timeless | these are not happy people |
| 10:25.22 | blkhawk[work] | do normal arm binarys run on OS2005? |
| 10:25.22 | timeless | they're end users |
| 10:25.33 | Jaffa | timeless: I hope you're not suggesting you *don't* want enhancement requests tracked in Bugzilla ;-) |
| 10:25.35 | timeless | and they should go take a leap into an ice berg and come back when it melts |
| 10:25.40 | Jaffa | blkhawk[work]: generally, yes. |
| 10:25.54 | blkhawk[work] | Jaffa: i want t o get dropbar on here |
| 10:25.54 | timeless | jaffa: at the moment? if you're not putting up code? that's right |
| 10:26.01 | blkhawk[work] | dropbear |
| 10:26.03 | Jaffa | timeless: tsk, you developer you ;-) |
| 10:26.06 | timeless | if you post a bug and a patch for microb, that's fine |
| 10:26.17 | timeless | jaffa: the release is clearly labeled for developers only |
| 10:26.20 | Jaffa | blkhawk[work]: dropbear had been cross-compiled anyway. |
| 10:26.20 | timeless | not for end users |
| 10:26.28 | Jaffa | timeless: absolutely. |
| 10:26.35 | blkhawk[work] | Jaffa: ya but the file is gone |
| 10:26.40 | timeless | and i'll gladly buy you meals occasionally for slappings you give |
| 10:26.41 | Jaffa | blkhawk[work]: doh. |
| 10:26.43 | blkhawk[work] | its only for os2006 now |
| 10:27.21 | blkhawk[work] | oh - is ext3 a better choice as FS on an SDcard? |
| 10:27.24 | Jaffa | timeless: There've already been some users slapped down on ITT for saying "oh, it's so buggy I've gone back to Opera" and not a) raising bug reports, b) expecting better of a pre-reelease |
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| 10:29.55 | timeless | jaffa: actually, there's one other guy i need help w/ |
| 10:30.02 | timeless | he posted a reply to my garage news item |
| 10:30.10 | timeless | and i really don't want to deal with him directly |
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| 10:49.32 | timeless | oh, jaffa, one note |
| 10:49.45 | timeless | by default bugzilla won't reassign when you reopen and change compoennt |
| 10:49.56 | timeless | so you should go back to the bug and select (*) Reassign to default |
| 10:52.51 | pupnik_ | cool... can record maemo sessions with this? xnee - Xnee can be used to record and replay an X-session |
| 10:59.14 | inz | pupnik, that is no video capture or anything, but "event recording" |
| 10:59.18 | inz | pupnik, think macros |
| 10:59.30 | pupnik_ | ah |
| 11:01.41 | pupnik_ | i wish i hadn't read about the OMAP 3430. I want an IT with it so bad now. |
| 11:04.11 | Jaffa | timeless: done. |
| 11:05.12 | Jaffa | timeless: thanks for that. I'll look for the garage item. |
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| 11:06.58 | Jaffa | timeless: which one do you want dealing with? Java applets? The bug reports in the comment? Problems with the app mgr or something else? |
| 11:07.15 | VladDrac | nice.. just got my 770, delivered within a day, from france even :) |
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| 11:08.41 | VladDrac | time to rtfm now, it appears not to support wpa2 ootb |
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| 11:16.04 | Mikho | Is there an utility I could use to find out if my maemo program is leaking resources? |
| 11:16.14 | theril | Mikho: valgrind? |
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| 11:19.26 | Mikho | Ok, I'll check it out, thanks |
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| 11:24.38 | i-nZ | Hey. Where can I get libgcrypt11 (>= 1.2.2) or libgnutls11 (>= 1.0.16) (required by pidgin) ? |
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| 11:33.08 | pupnik_ | latest i see is Filename: ./pool/bora/free/binary/libgcrypt11_1.2.0-11.1osso_armel.deb |
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| 11:44.01 | db48x | bah |
| 11:44.12 | sciboy | Indeed |
| 11:44.21 | db48x | compiling a deb shouldn't fail just because it failed to convert the TeX documents to html |
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| 11:49.08 | sciboy | Flashing a 770 with the latest firmware doesn't rely on the rs-mmc card ey? So I could get a 2GB rs-mmc, and upgrade it to 2007HE which will support it? |
| 11:49.37 | timeless | jaffa: hold |
| 11:50.31 | timeless | oh man |
| 11:50.35 | timeless | there are 7 comments now |
| 11:50.41 | timeless | there were only 2 when i lookoed last |
| 11:52.29 | timeless | jaffa: :(, well re 2006 it'd be nice to point out that we don't even support 3.2007 (or 2.2007, or the original os 2007 for that matter) |
| 11:53.04 | timeless | jaffa: the comment i need dealt w/ is izrael boss |
| 11:54.53 | Jaffa | Thought it might be. |
| 11:55.00 | Jaffa | Let me get some lunch and I'll go on a commenting spree. |
| 11:55.01 | timeless | the application manager bit i've sent along to the app manager guy since he wanted feedback :) |
| 11:55.03 | timeless | sure |
| 11:55.20 | timeless | if you comment on app manager, there's a log in app manager and the user should at least look at it |
| 11:55.52 | timeless | app manager has a component (or more) in bugs.maemo and problems should be reported there, logs added as attachments after filing reports |
| 11:56.09 | alterego | Hmm .. Time for the first package me thinks. |
| 11:56.47 | Jaffa | timeless: indeed. |
| 11:57.16 | timeless | gforge "threading" is such a mess |
| 11:57.32 | timeless | don thompson made a link for java |
| 11:57.35 | timeless | i'd leave it alone |
| 11:59.25 | timeless | darn |
| 11:59.35 | timeless | my text indexer doesn't speak russian |
| 12:00.15 | timeless | ok, but it's still easy enough for me to search the file once i'm there, good. |
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| 12:06.54 | sciboy | Does the browser support audio at all or would I have to work something out with the flash player? |
| 12:07.14 | timeless | sciboy: not sure what you mean |
| 12:07.19 | timeless | in theory it has nsISound |
| 12:07.36 | timeless | so if you have UniversalXPConnect, you could probably play a beep |
| 12:07.50 | timeless | otherwise, most normal people use flash :) |
| 12:08.03 | timeless | it doesn't have support for <bgsound> or anything like that |
| 12:08.13 | sciboy | Bummer. =P |
| 12:08.15 | timeless | and normal media is handled by this evil plugin which just launches media player |
| 12:08.22 | timeless | that's unchanged from opera |
| 12:08.26 | timeless | and is per ui spec |
| 12:08.35 | timeless | don't worry, the ui spec will never be published |
| 12:08.41 | timeless | you don't want to read it |
| 12:09.34 | sciboy | I know I don't, I just want to work on a graphical web game, oh which reminds me, it at least supports svg? |
| 12:10.29 | sciboy | Although depending on the rendering performance I might have to go for good ol' raster. |
| 12:10.40 | timeless | no |
| 12:10.49 | timeless | we explicitly list that as missing in the browser whitepaper |
| 12:10.49 | sciboy | Bummer #2 |
| 12:10.56 | timeless | no xul support either |
| 12:11.01 | timeless | canvas should be there |
| 12:11.22 | timeless | for fun, you should try nsISound and see if it's useful |
| 12:11.33 | sciboy | I think I can work around gif animations and static images. |
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| 12:11.53 | timeless | if you can make nsISound play enough sounds that you're happy w/ it, then i can explain how you'd deal w/ making it work in a system |
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| 12:12.51 | sciboy | Probably not to be honest, funneling it into flash or if I'm feeling up to it, a small python/pygame daemon would be the safest bet. |
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| 12:14.56 | sciboy | Actually... I don't think I've seen anyone do that... I could offer sound support as an offline feature. I will try to avoid Flash if I can. |
| 12:15.00 | _abc_ | hello |
| 12:15.00 | _Monkey | salut, _abc_ |
| 12:15.12 | _abc_ | salut ? .ro ? |
| 12:15.20 | _abc_ | _Monkey: |
| 12:15.21 | _Monkey | _abc_: what? |
| 12:15.25 | sciboy | I'm just surprised that svg support and tools didn't develop quicker. |
| 12:15.36 | _abc_ | salut is in French or Romanian. Which ? |
| 12:15.52 | _abc_ | _Monkey: never mind |
| 12:15.53 | _Monkey | _abc_: sorry... |
| 12:16.17 | _abc_ | anyway I have a prob that is off topic, but there are experts here so .. |
| 12:16.30 | _abc_ | gnokii config with dku5 cable and nk3120 |
| 12:16.39 | _abc_ | any1 know a config that works ? |
| 12:16.49 | _abc_ | the cable is new. I suspect it is bad |
| 12:17.09 | _abc_ | but before I take it back I want to try a few things |
| 12:19.21 | sp3000 | hmm, rollercoaster gets about 2fps |
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| 12:22.57 | sciboy | Does Maemopad+ has the ability to export images? |
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| 12:29.52 | onion_ | anyone know is the warranty 2 years for the 770 ? |
| 12:34.15 | timeless | sp3000: 2fps eh, not too bad, didn't flash have worse performance when it first shipped? :) |
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| 12:44.19 | pupnik_ | dunno... btw there are standalong flash players (gash?) that might be interesting |
| 12:48.37 | timeless | to whom? |
| 12:48.40 | timeless | nokia pays for flash |
| 12:49.26 | pupnik_ | they could end up being faster than adobe/opera |
| 12:49.37 | sciboy | I'm actually quite surprised with the progress they've made with gash. |
| 12:49.51 | guardian | duh, i thought there was a g_strcmp func |
| 12:50.19 | timeless | pupnik: what does opera have to do with flash? |
| 12:50.25 | sciboy | It still doesn't hold up to most basic apps, but still they've come a lot further than anyone else. |
| 12:50.40 | pupnik_ | what is the flash player on the 770 |
| 12:50.46 | timeless | flash7? |
| 12:51.04 | pupnik_ | macromedia-flashplayer - OSSO Macromedia Flashplayer |
| 12:51.06 | pupnik_ | ag |
| 12:52.30 | dpb_ | pupnik_, sciboy: it's gnash, not gash.. |
| 12:52.42 | sciboy | But gash is more impressive. |
| 12:52.46 | sciboy | =P |
| 12:53.26 | dpb_ | GASH, a type of virtual currency offered by the Asian online gaming portal Gamania. ? :P |
| 12:54.06 | timeless | About Macromedia Flash Player 7... |
| 12:54.11 | timeless | so says the .so anyway :) |
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| 12:55.47 | sciboy | As long as I have my youtube videos I don't really mind. =P |
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| 12:59.13 | timeless | on 770? forget it |
| 12:59.31 | timeless | for 770 you'll want an app that gets the mpeg4 that the iphone gets |
| 12:59.40 | pupnik_ | i play youtube videos on 770 all the time, using youtube-dl then mplayer |
| 12:59.44 | timeless | (heck, for n800 you want that too, but at least on n800 you can play youtube) |
| 13:00.32 | sciboy | Yeah, I was talking about the indirect route. =P |
| 13:01.14 | timeless | mplayer has its own support for flv? |
| 13:01.25 | pupnik_ | yes |
| 13:02.07 | timeless | does it support flash9 flv? |
| 13:04.39 | pupnik_ | i don't know of dunno - whatever youtube uses |
| 13:04.57 | pupnik_ | if you have a test vid < 320h i can try it |
| 13:05.04 | timeless | i don't |
| 13:05.07 | pupnik_ | <340 i mean |
| 13:05.16 | pupnik_ | <240 argh |
| 13:05.57 | timeless | height? |
| 13:06.01 | pupnik_ | height |
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| 13:11.31 | schroeder | hi there |
| 13:11.32 | _Monkey | hey, schroeder |
| 13:11.52 | schroeder | i just have one (maybe) small question ;) |
| 13:12.04 | schroeder | sdl/sound on os2007 on a nokia n770 |
| 13:13.32 | schroeder | i change the devive from dsp3 to dsp2 in alsaconf so that sdl works, but still no sound |
| 13:14.05 | pupnik_ | hi schroeder i have it working |
| 13:14.22 | schroeder | great, any hints for me? |
| 13:14.47 | pupnik_ | i just followed the steps on the ITT forums :/ |
| 13:15.36 | schroeder | hmmm, i thing i did everythink there, gconf-tool etc. do you have a link? |
| 13:17.01 | pupnik_ | hm |
| 13:17.18 | MoRpHeUz | no way to find the place to change the browser engine on the menu... =/ |
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| 13:19.17 | X-Fade | MoRpHeUz: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1669#c2 |
| 13:19.18 | pupnik_ | http://pastebin.ca/626171 schroeder << there is my alsa.conf |
| 13:20.14 | pupnik_ | but i'm not sure that addresses your problem |
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| 13:20.44 | MoRpHeUz | X-Fade: but people at the maillist are talking about an option at the menu that switches... |
| 13:20.45 | MoRpHeUz | strange. |
| 13:20.46 | MoRpHeUz | =( |
| 13:20.58 | timeless | x-fade: so, we're still looking for information about the missing menu |
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| 13:20.59 | schroeder | thanks, i will just compare that |
| 13:21.05 | timeless | morpheuz: url? |
| 13:21.10 | timeless | i need gconf dupms |
| 13:21.22 | timeless | probably a ps list to indicate if gconfd is alive ? |
| 13:21.37 | X-Fade | MoRpHeUz: Well, after editing that file, the menu option is there.. |
| 13:21.48 | timeless | morpheuz: so.... |
| 13:21.54 | X-Fade | MoRpHeUz: Strange thing is that some people have this by default :) |
| 13:21.59 | timeless | we're really looking for an explanation of how you end up w/ not having it |
| 13:22.05 | MoRpHeUz | X-Fade: exactly! |
| 13:22.08 | timeless | i talked w/ the engineers a bit more |
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| 13:22.33 | timeless | when microb installs, it sets a bit in gconf indicating there's a reason to consider the menu |
| 13:22.41 | pupnik_ | https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=702&group_id=164&atid=681 << schroeder |
| 13:23.05 | pupnik_ | schroeder what sdl game is having problems? |
| 13:23.25 | schroeder | scummvm and marbles |
| 13:23.35 | schroeder | my alsa.conf looks alright |
| 13:23.38 | timeless | then the browser starts, if it sees that bit and doesn't have any hidden= line, then it'll set hidden=true |
| 13:24.08 | X-Fade | timeless: Interesting.. |
| 13:24.14 | timeless | i think that if when it starts and doesn't have hidden= and doesn't see the gconf bit, it might mark it as false at exit |
| 13:24.15 | MoRpHeUz | timeless: hhmm...that should explain something like: people who install it while in red pill mode get this enabled... |
| 13:24.18 | timeless | still don't understand it |
| 13:24.23 | VladDrac | argh... the 2006 mailclient doesn't remember your default sorting? |
| 13:24.27 | timeless | morpheuz: eh? |
| 13:24.28 | X-Fade | timeless: Can it be a race condition? |
| 13:24.32 | VladDrac | oh wait, it's just slow |
| 13:24.39 | timeless | x-fade: dunno |
| 13:24.48 | X-Fade | I am red pill btw.. |
| 13:24.53 | timeless | we've tried it both w/ browser running and quiting browser before finalizing install |
| 13:25.00 | timeless | most of our testers aren't using redpill |
| 13:25.06 | timeless | but um, i think i'm using redpill |
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| 13:25.07 | timeless | lemme check |
| 13:25.17 | timeless | yea |
| 13:25.23 | timeless | i like red pill as a candidate |
| 13:25.28 | timeless | sp3000: pin |
| 13:25.29 | timeless | g |
| 13:25.46 | sp3000 | ? |
| 13:26.07 | sp3000 | yeah, red |
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| 13:30.20 | milhouse | MoRpHeUz: I got the menu and I don't use red-pill mode |
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| 13:31.33 | MoRpHeUz | milhouse: hhmm... |
| 13:32.28 | schroeder | Has anyone more a idea, why i don't have sound in sdl (scummvm, marbes) with os2007he on a n770? i applied all alsaconf stuff... |
| 13:36.36 | sp3000 | language? |
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| 13:39.47 | disq | morning (ugt) |
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| 13:43.18 | timeless | :( |
| 13:43.19 | Tu13es | hm |
| 13:43.24 | timeless | first attempt using red pill mode didn't work |
| 13:43.26 | Tu13es | best way to gain root access to my n800? |
| 13:43.46 | timeless | ssh root@127.1 |
| 13:43.47 | timeless | rootme |
| 13:43.57 | Tu13es | also, best way to ssh server using dropbear? |
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| 13:44.33 | Tu13es | er |
| 13:44.37 | timeless | morpheuz: ok, i'm going to try 2 more times w/ slight variations, but so far it looks like red pill isn't the explanation :( |
| 13:44.44 | Tu13es | is dropbear the best way to set up the n800 as a ssh server? |
| 13:44.57 | mgedmin | dunno, I use openssh |
| 13:45.12 | mgedmin | it's a bit tricky to install, though |
| 13:45.20 | mgedmin | so maybe dropbear is better |
| 13:46.58 | Tu13es | hrm |
| 13:47.22 | MoRpHeUz | timeless: =) |
| 13:47.24 | Tu13es | does becomeroot work on n800/it2007? |
| 13:47.59 | mgedmin | it should |
| 13:48.14 | mgedmin | btw there are two versions of becomeroot and they are different |
| 13:48.24 | mgedmin | one enables you to sudo su, the other enables you to sudo gainroot |
| 13:48.27 | mgedmin | (iirc) |
| 13:48.36 | disq | who needs becomeroot when theres ssh root@127.1 |
| 13:48.44 | Tu13es | hmm |
| 13:49.01 | lardman|afk | disq: less typing |
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| 13:49.38 | lardman | Tu13es: enable red pill mode & install openssh. dropbear doens't do sftp |
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| 13:49.52 | Tu13es | hm |
| 13:50.57 | Tu13es | ssh root@127.1 gives me connection refused |
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| 13:51.29 | lardman | 127.0.0.1 |
| 13:51.43 | Tu13es | same deal |
| 13:51.49 | lardman | localhost? |
| 13:51.58 | sp3000 | did you install an ssh server? |
| 13:52.11 | Tu13es | i thought i installed dropbear |
| 13:52.17 | Tu13es | localhost fails too |
| 13:52.27 | Tu13es | ssh: exited: Error connecting: Connection refused |
| 13:52.28 | mgedmin | there are separate packages for dropbear server and client |
| 13:52.34 | mgedmin | do you have the server package installed? |
| 13:52.42 | Tu13es | sp3000: use openssh? |
| 13:53.09 | Tu13es | ah, my dropbear-server says it's broken |
| 13:53.19 | lardman | dropbear wouldn't install on the latest it2007 when I tried, so I installed openssh |
| 13:53.23 | Tu13es | gotcha |
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| 13:53.48 | Tu13es | suppose i'll give openssh a shot |
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| 13:54.41 | Tu13es | mm, works now |
| 13:55.44 | lardman | openssh or dropbear? |
| 13:55.53 | Tu13es | dropbear |
| 13:55.57 | Tu13es | haven't tried openssh yet |
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| 13:56.01 | Tu13es | should I just do that instead? |
| 13:56.46 | lardman | if it works as is then leave it be |
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| 14:11.21 | milhouse | why do i always read about people having problems with dropbear but never openssh... can someone delete dropbear, it's a support overhead ;) |
| 14:11.50 | inz | I've seen more the other way round |
| 14:12.28 | rwhitby | Does dropbear do agent forwarding properly yet? |
| 14:12.31 | milhouse | maybe it's selective memory on my part then :) |
| 14:13.41 | mgedmin | my guess is that openssh is harder to install so users who manage to install it know how to fix problems themselves :) |
| 14:14.03 | milhouse | install xterm, install becomeroot, install open ssh (apt-get install ssh). job done. :) |
| 14:14.18 | db48x | what does dropbear do that openssh doesn't? |
| 14:14.25 | rwhitby | or with the gui, get into red pill mode, install ssh, done. |
| 14:14.29 | milhouse | nothing, dropbear does a lot _less_ than openssh |
| 14:14.44 | lardman | dropbear is a small install |
| 14:14.46 | rwhitby | dropbear is smaller and slower (at least on an NSLU2 it's slower than openssh) |
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| 14:15.03 | db48x | seems like a poor choice then |
| 14:15.13 | milhouse | anyone who wants ssh probably wants xterm and becomeroot/R&D mode as well though, no? |
| 14:15.30 | lardman | for us with 128MB(?) flash yes, for a Zaurus 5500 with 16MB total, not necessarily |
| 14:15.44 | rwhitby | One set of tests found OpenSSH on the NSLU2 to be 8x faster than dropbear at scp transfers - 800kB/s vs 100kB/s (using "scp -c blowfish" as this should be the least CPU-intensive cypher). |
| 14:16.24 | db48x | heh |
| 14:16.24 | milhouse | i used openssh on 770 (64MB) too but probably would go with dropbear on a device with less memory than 64MB |
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| 14:18.02 | i-nZ | horray for the mozilla based browser |
| 14:18.07 | i-nZ | that makes the n800 actually usable |
| 14:18.08 | i-nZ | :) |
| 14:18.19 | i-nZ | plus minimo was waaay to slow and dodgy |
| 14:19.10 | trevarthan | was someone looking for me earlier? My irssi session crapped out. |
| 14:20.04 | Tu13es | mm, dropbear was giving me more problems so i got rid of it and am installing openssh |
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| 14:23.25 | Tu13es | hm, so I think I've got it running (i can ssh into it from another machine) - how do I config it to start automatically? |
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| 14:24.53 | milhouse | Tu13es: already does that as part of the install |
| 14:24.58 | Tu13es | sweet |
| 14:25.21 | milhouse | should be in /etc/init.d/ssh {start|stop|reload|force-reload|restart} |
| 14:26.39 | Tu13es | hmm |
| 14:26.40 | Tu13es | cool |
| 14:28.08 | Tu13es | now to start fiddling with openvpn |
| 14:32.12 | trevarthan | milhouse: have you tried kagu lately? |
| 14:32.35 | trevarthan | It's much much improved from the version you downloaded a few weeks ago. |
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| 14:35.25 | geaaru | hi, is there a tutorial for nokia mediaplayer? (or informations about dbus mediaplayer service?) thanks in advance |
| 14:38.48 | Tu13es | hmm |
| 14:39.02 | Tu13es | is OpenVPN the easiest way to set up a client on the n800 and a server elsewhere? |
| 14:39.10 | Tu13es | or Hamachi? or something else? |
| 14:39.40 | disq | there's always ssh port forwarding |
| 14:40.20 | Tu13es | hm |
| 14:40.34 | Tu13es | I just need to get around my school's wireless network crap |
| 14:40.35 | Tu13es | so that may work |
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| 14:42.54 | Tu13es | ah, nice, it does allow ssh |
| 14:43.43 | geoffeg | When I put the cover on my Nokia 770 it locks the keys, shuts off the screen and wireless radios. What's the equivalent on the N800 since it doesn't come with a hard cover? |
| 14:44.01 | pupnik | does anybody know if that mozilla-based browser will work on thne 770 IT2007HE? |
| 14:44.01 | Tu13es | geoffeg: Offline Mode then Lock Screen and Keys |
| 14:44.27 | geoffeg | Tu13es: So it's a bit more effort than the 770.. Two operations instead of one... |
| 14:44.30 | Tu13es | ye[ |
| 14:44.31 | Tu13es | yep |
| 14:44.33 | geoffeg | suck! |
| 14:44.47 | zakx | geoffeg: there is a shortcut for this |
| 14:45.03 | geoffeg | smash the n800 on the ground? :) |
| 14:45.10 | zakx | nah |
| 14:45.18 | zakx | there is a "soft poweroff" mode |
| 14:45.43 | zakx | you need to uncomment the section in /etc/systemui/systemui.xml |
| 14:45.47 | zakx | then reboot |
| 14:46.08 | trevarthan | is that like a sleep mode? |
| 14:46.14 | zakx | yep |
| 14:46.17 | trevarthan | i.e. acpi/apm? |
| 14:46.31 | geoffeg | zakx: how do i activate it once i've rebooted? |
| 14:46.47 | zakx | geoffeg: it'll appear as an option in the power button menu |
| 14:46.57 | geoffeg | cool |
| 14:47.07 | Tu13es | how is that different than lock screen and keys? |
| 14:47.14 | trevarthan | zakx: is that in 3.2007? Or is that a latest firmware only thing? |
| 14:47.32 | zakx | trevarthan: that worked for me already in the preinstalled firmware |
| 14:47.34 | lardman | pupnik: I would have thought it'd be possible, or at least that it would be released eventually |
| 14:47.45 | zakx | so it's most likely there in previous versions |
| 14:48.07 | trevarthan | Tu13es: it only supplies power to the RAM, I think. I don't think anything else is getting power, so the device isn't functioning. It's asleep. |
| 14:48.15 | Tu13es | hm |
| 14:48.20 | Tu13es | reading a forum post that says it doesn't turn off wifi |
| 14:48.49 | trevarthan | Isn't the newest firmware supposed to help with wifi power usage a lot anyway? |
| 14:48.54 | geoffeg | I'm thinking of upgrading to an n800 for the firefox-based browser, skype and flash 9. |
| 14:49.04 | zakx | geoffeg: it's actually opera |
| 14:49.24 | lardman | zakx: there's a new mozilla based backend |
| 14:49.25 | trevarthan | zakx: no, there's a new mozilla based browser available. |
| 14:49.26 | geoffeg | zakx: there was just smoe release of a firefox-based browser for the n800 |
| 14:49.40 | lardman | attack on all fronts! |
| 14:49.40 | zakx | there is? |
| 14:49.46 | zakx | whoops. |
| 14:49.46 | pupnik | lardman: well a number of things work in bora, so i might as well just try it |
| 14:49.48 | trevarthan | I don't think it's firefox based though. I think it's just mozilla based. |
| 14:49.58 | zakx | so, how do i get it? |
| 14:50.00 | geoffeg | zakx: http://browser.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 14:50.12 | zakx | thanks |
| 14:50.32 | trevarthan | For example, the XUL plugins for firefox don't work, so no mozphone or firebug... |
| 14:50.36 | lardman | pupnik: If not, the source is available |
| 14:50.38 | geoffeg | trevarthan: yes, sorry.. i gues "gecko-based" would be more acurate.. but most people say "what's gecko" so i was shooting for the most recognizable name. |
| 14:51.13 | pupnik | http://pupnik.de/Nokia970med4.png <<-- once more, my ideal form factor for the n800 successor |
| 14:51.58 | trevarthan | pupnik: is that what the 770s look like up close? I've never seen one... |
| 14:52.14 | lardman | pupnik: More buttons might be useful, but a keyboard would sell it for me |
| 14:52.47 | mgedmin | pupnik: what's that thing in the bottom-right? |
| 14:52.50 | geoffeg | pupnik: i still think the camera should be at the top like macbooks |
| 14:53.11 | zyxulnaga | a keyboard is important to have |
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| 14:53.13 | pupnik | camera :) yeah a pop-out rotatable camera would be nice too - let you aim it forward or at your face |
| 14:53.26 | gla55_ | pupnik: the pad could be better for gaming |
| 14:53.32 | gla55_ | direction pad that is.. |
| 14:53.45 | pupnik | yeah, i increased the size and made the enter key smaller |
| 14:54.04 | gla55_ | pupnik: ngage classic has ok pad that you can push in too |
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| 14:56.38 | X-Fade | Oh just for your information about the Gecko based browser: http://breet.com/maemo/maemo-browser-acid2.jpg |
| 14:57.14 | trevarthan | zakx: The Thinkoutside/igo keyboards work ok. A lot of crap doesn't work on them (anything using the Fn key) and some of the keys and really quirky, but it's better than using the pen. |
| 14:57.24 | pupnik | gla55_: yeah... thing is you could never sell an IT with full-size game controls to people - you'd have to keep bezels on left and right to a minimum |
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| 14:57.42 | gla55_ | yeah it's too bad |
| 14:57.52 | gla55_ | they should sell alternative cover |
| 14:58.00 | gla55_ | same hw but a bit different plastic |
| 14:58.32 | pupnik | gla55_: exactly. That'd be a really clever idea. A different sliding cover, one with game controls on either side |
| 14:59.10 | pupnik | that way you can purchase it as an add-on piece, and only use that cover when you want the controls and don't mind a couple centimeters added length |
| 14:59.38 | pupnik | I'll do an image of it sometime |
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| 15:06.25 | geoffeg | anyone know if any work is being done to make the soft thumb board be more intelligent (like the iphone)? |
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| 15:09.28 | Cegy | hi can someone tell me how do i use the bluetooth on the 770 ? |
| 15:09.37 | geoffeg | what do you want to use it for? |
| 15:09.40 | geoffeg | internet access? |
| 15:09.42 | Cegy | no |
| 15:09.50 | Cegy | file transnfer is that possible |
| 15:10.02 | geoffeg | sure |
| 15:10.21 | geoffeg | if you have your phone paired to the device just opening the file browser will show your phone |
| 15:10.22 | Cegy | how would i do that? |
| 15:10.58 | Cegy | so i can't use my pc to accect it with bluetooth ? |
| 15:11.23 | geoffeg | never tried to use it to connect to my pc |
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| 15:11.38 | Cegy | oh |
| 15:11.48 | _Shurik_ | hola |
| 15:11.57 | geoffeg | but if you want to see your phone use the "phone" item inthe control panel |
| 15:12.11 | Cegy | oh ok |
| 15:12.12 | Cegy | :) |
| 15:12.17 | _Shurik_ | Anyone's thinking about going to DefCon this year? |
| 15:12.38 | Cegy | so is there anyway i can get to my 770 frommy pc ? |
| 15:13.02 | _Shurik_ | what's wrong with usb? |
| 15:13.36 | Cegy | am lazy |
| 15:13.37 | Cegy | :P |
| 15:13.39 | Cegy | lol |
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| 15:17.15 | zakx | hm. |
| 15:17.57 | zakx | after installing the mozilla engine, apt-get dist-upgrade wants to install osso-browser-opera-eal |
| 15:18.10 | zakx | wouldn't that override the mbrowser-eal? |
| 15:18.18 | Cegy | i wanna know how to dod that :| |
| 15:18.24 | Cegy | i can't even install minimo |
| 15:20.01 | zakx | minimo sucks anyway |
| 15:20.01 | zakx | :D |
| 15:20.10 | Cegy | really |
| 15:20.15 | Cegy | the internal is crap for me |
| 15:20.24 | Cegy | it keeps on closing itself off :| |
| 15:21.37 | zakx | so, why don't you install it using the appmanager itself |
| 15:21.44 | zakx | no need to transfer files from your pc |
| 15:21.58 | ramo102 | Hi everybody. I have a question for you :Does the Mozilla based browser supports SVG or not? And how can I test it? |
| 15:22.28 | Cegy | because i can't install it as it ask me for soem runtime files |
| 15:22.56 | Tu13es | why cant I edit /etc/systemui/systemui.xml? |
| 15:23.03 | Tu13es | permission denied, but i'm root |
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| 15:23.59 | *** topic/#maemo is maemo is the application development platform for the Nokia Internet Tablets | Good questions deserve better answers | http://maemo.org | irc logs at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/os2007on770/ | http://www.flickr.com/groups/maemo/ |
| 15:25.17 | lardman | Is there a list of n800 hardware components (i.e. chip names & numbers) somewhere? |
| 15:25.57 | X-Fade | ramo102: Svg works. At least the svg on wikipedia if you search for svg. |
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| 15:27.36 | pupnik | Tu13es: lsof |grep /etc/systemui |
| 15:28.05 | geoffeg | svg++ # cool |
| 15:28.19 | Tu13es | pupnik: still permission denied |
| 15:28.48 | pupnik | that i think that should show you any processes that have the file open and blocked |
| 15:29.10 | sciboy | Woah, back up. The minimo allows for svg? |
| 15:29.22 | Tu13es | pupnik: doesn't show anything |
| 15:29.29 | X-Fade | sciboy: No, maemo browser.. |
| 15:29.59 | sciboy | Even better. |
| 15:30.27 | tigert | zak, do not dist-upgrade |
| 15:30.27 | tigert | its not tested and no guarantee it works |
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| 15:31.29 | zakx | tigert: that's stupid |
| 15:31.54 | zakx | it's debian-based and the debian way of updating software is either "upgrade" or "dist-upgrade" |
| 15:32.19 | X-Fade | zakx: Well, upgrade isn't a problem.. |
| 15:32.30 | tigert | yes. but it is not debian |
| 15:32.32 | zakx | dist-upgrade shouldn't either |
| 15:32.40 | X-Fade | dist-upgrade is an entirely different animal ;) |
| 15:32.48 | zakx | N800:~# cat /etc/debian_version |
| 15:32.49 | zakx | testing/unstable |
| 15:32.49 | zyxulnaga | not even apt-get update works for me |
| 15:32.55 | zakx | so, that's debian |
| 15:33.28 | zyxulnaga | I have to update the package list from the package manager |
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| 15:33.41 | zakx | why should you? |
| 15:33.43 | pumpkingod | allo allo |
| 15:33.50 | pumpkingod | anyone having issues with libcurl on maemo? |
| 15:33.54 | zakx | it's just doing "apt-get update" in colored. |
| 15:34.07 | X-Fade | zyxulnaga: You need to be root.. |
| 15:34.11 | zyxulnaga | I am root |
| 15:34.15 | zyxulnaga | it just doesn't work |
| 15:34.20 | ramo102 | X-Fade: yes, but on browser.garage.maemo.org/docs/browser_paper.html they says that SVG is not supported... |
| 15:34.23 | X-Fade | It does for me.. |
| 15:34.51 | geoffeg | probably didn't add SVG to the build to reduce memory footprint |
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| 15:35.17 | zakx | N800:~# echo osso-browser-opera-eal hold |dpkg --set-selections |
| 15:35.19 | zakx | problem solved |
| 15:35.31 | X-Fade | ramo102: Yeah, you are right. They sometimes say it does and sometimes says it doesn't. Hmmm the wikipedia example I tested is a ... png ;) |
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| 15:35.53 | zakx | The following packages have been kept back: osso-browser-opera-eal |
| 15:35.57 | zakx | i win. |
| 15:36.26 | pupnik | nice |
| 15:37.49 | ramo102 | X-Fade: :-) infact... do you know a site where real SVG test can be made? |
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| 15:38.46 | zyxulnaga | apt-get fails with one of the gpg signatures |
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| 15:39.01 | zakx | ramo102: http://www-eng-x.llnl.gov/documents/tests/svg.html |
| 15:39.07 | zyxulnaga | W: GPG error: http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com bora Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG CBFC2BECC6903E72 Nokia Internet Tablet Archive Automatic Signing Key <integration@maemo.org> |
| 15:39.58 | zyxulnaga | maybe because I have the maemo repo's |
| 15:40.03 | zakx | zyxulnaga: that's a warning |
| 15:41.05 | zyxulnaga | oh warning for apt-get error for GPG I guess |
| 15:42.17 | lardman | Is the webcore engine available for download somewhere? |
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| 15:44.16 | lardman | Ah, ignore that question |
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| 15:49.37 | trevarthan | pupnik: for the n800 mark 2, I think they need to completely get rid of the pen. It's too tempting for finger unfriendly app developers. |
| 15:50.05 | trevarthan | Does anyone seriously use maemo's handwriting recognizer? |
| 15:50.29 | Tu13es | anyone else know how i can edit /etc/systemui/systemui.xml without permission errors? |
| 15:50.42 | _Shurik__ | trevarthan: I don't, I type faster |
| 15:51.03 | _Shurik__ | and even I can't read my own handwriting, I don't think n800 will get it either :) |
| 15:51.04 | disq | Tu13es: you have to be root |
| 15:51.12 | Tu13es | hm |
| 15:51.14 | Tu13es | i thought i was |
| 15:51.16 | disq | _Shurik__: same here |
| 15:51.39 | zyxulnaga | Tu13es I just edited mine |
| 15:51.43 | Tu13es | hmm |
| 15:51.44 | zyxulnaga | (as root offcourse) |
| 15:51.45 | _Shurik__ | disq: sorta sad, I filled in few forms yesterday. My hand almost fell off |
| 15:51.49 | _Shurik__ | damn technology |
| 15:52.04 | Tu13es | I did the passwd -l root thing, how do I undo that? |
| 15:52.06 | trevarthan | _Shurik_: same here. I haven't written clearly since 4th grade. And I've been using a keyboard since around the same time. |
| 15:52.21 | _Shurik__ | sad sad sad |
| 15:52.23 | _Shurik__ | :) |
| 15:53.16 | trevarthan | I think it's an honest mistake by the Nokia staff. They're trying to please everyone, and some people are used to palm's pen system. But I think it's clear that people prefer fingers and they need to fix it. |
| 15:53.17 | zyxulnaga | Tu13es: become root edit /etc/passwd and remove '!' infront of your password fields if there is one |
| 15:53.24 | zyxulnaga | then run passwd to set a new pass |
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| 15:53.39 | zyxulnaga | or -u should do it |
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| 15:54.26 | Tu13es | hmm |
| 15:54.27 | _Shurik__ | so... DefCon - anyone is going? |
| 15:54.33 | zyxulnaga | I am |
| 15:54.45 | _Shurik__ | awsome |
| 15:55.39 | Tu13es | hm, I can't log in as root because of passwd -l root, I think |
| 15:55.49 | zyxulnaga | sudo gainroot fails? |
| 15:55.55 | Tu13es | havent installed gainroot |
| 15:56.03 | zyxulnaga | it's there by default |
| 15:56.03 | Tu13es | was just using ssh root@localhost |
| 15:56.09 | Tu13es | hmm |
| 15:56.10 | zyxulnaga | open an xterminal and run it |
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| 15:56.27 | Tu13es | cal_read_block(r&d_mode): size zero, block not found? |
| 15:56.27 | lardman | needs r&d mode tho |
| 15:56.28 | Tu13es | Enable RD mode if you want to break your device |
| 15:56.31 | Tu13es | yeah |
| 15:56.38 | zyxulnaga | your device should be in R&D mode |
| 15:56.57 | Tu13es | easier to just install becomeroot or no? |
| 15:57.18 | zyxulnaga | poweroff, usb connect it and then run flasher-3.0 --enable-rd-mode --reboot |
| 15:57.26 | zyxulnaga | poweron |
| 15:57.28 | zyxulnaga | and you should be set |
| 15:57.52 | Tu13es | does that kill all my apps and stuff? |
| 15:57.56 | zyxulnaga | no |
| 15:57.57 | Tu13es | or just put it in rd mode? |
| 15:58.03 | Tu13es | gotcha |
| 15:58.19 | Presence_ | Anyone get the 770 to work with enterprise WPA yet? |
| 15:58.32 | Tu13es | what else does R&D mode do? any downsides? |
| 15:58.55 | zyxulnaga | not aware of any |
| 15:59.17 | zyxulnaga | other than anyone can get root in your device from a user terminal |
| 15:59.20 | _Shurik__ | it becomes self aware |
| 15:59.54 | _Shurik__ | do not take your R&D-ed n800 to DefCon :) |
| 16:01.42 | Tu13es | hmm |
| 16:02.02 | Tu13es | any way to get root working again without running the flasher? I'm not sure if I have a usb cable handy |
| 16:02.06 | Hyperion|n800 | is it just me or does java eat massive cpucycals in the new mozbe engine? |
| 16:02.33 | platten | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:02.46 | platten | I have mplayer installed and it just doesn't want to work |
| 16:02.47 | Presence_ | I have root, and I never ever messed with the flasher |
| 16:02.59 | Tu13es | I had it but did passwd -l root |
| 16:03.29 | lardman | platten: Run it from the command line and see what it says |
| 16:03.44 | _Shurik__ | platten: always use media converter or video converter |
| 16:03.53 | Presence_ | and you didnt do a passwd -d before logging out? |
| 16:04.14 | Tu13es | nope |
| 16:04.23 | dragorn | Presence_: AFAIK from looking at the driver source code, adding other WPA methods will be impossible w/out the driver source |
| 16:04.34 | dragorn | Presence_: The WPA key handling, etc, is all w/in the binary blob |
| 16:04.36 | lardman | _Shurik__: It may not play fast, but it ought to play them anyway |
| 16:05.01 | platten | does that mean I have to reencode everything? Is the processor simply too weak (everything works PERFECTLY on my modded Apple TV)? |
| 16:05.28 | Presence_ | that sucks dragorn...not having enterprise WPA sucks :( |
| 16:05.35 | dragorn | The apple TV is pretty significantly different than the nokia in terms of processing power |
| 16:05.41 | Presence_ | is there an usb ethernet dongle or something that works? |
| 16:05.51 | _Shurik__ | lardman: yes, but sorta kills the experience... I'd rather have smooth playback really |
| 16:06.35 | lardman | _Shurik__: True, but would be interesting to know why it refuses to work anyway |
| 16:06.44 | dragorn | Presence_: In THEORY you could get a usb 802.11 device, set it to host mode, build a power injector cable, add a battery pack, crossbuild the drivers, and run wpa_supplicant |
| 16:06.45 | Tu13es | bleh |
| 16:07.09 | _Shurik__ | lardman: not sure... I had some unconverted avi's play with no problem |
| 16:07.16 | _Shurik__ | slight delays but still viewable |
| 16:07.21 | _Shurik__ | who knows |
| 16:07.40 | dragorn | Presence_: I've done all of the above except care about wpa supplicant. It's rather unwieldy to have to carry around a battery pack though. |
| 16:08.01 | platten | does anyone know when the N800 successor will come out? Perhaps something as meaty as an iPhone (600 Mhz?) |
| 16:08.10 | Tu13es | zyxulnaga: can I use R&D mode to fix my passwd -l root and then disable R&D mode? |
| 16:08.23 | lardman | _Shurik__: I bet the mplayer etderr/stdout output knows ;) |
| 16:08.35 | lardman | s/eterr/stderr |
| 16:08.42 | _Shurik__ | lardman: I'm sure :) |
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| 16:09.23 | zyxulnaga | Tu13es: yeah you can disable it with the flasher |
| 16:10.02 | zyxulnaga | dragorn: I heared that nokia might be able to change their EULA and provide means of accessing the source code for the wireless driver |
| 16:10.06 | Tu13es | zyxulnaga: and R&D mode will let me fix passwd -l root, right? |
| 16:10.17 | zyxulnaga | I think so |
| 16:10.37 | dragorn | zyxulnaga: That would be nice, though I haven't heard it. |
| 16:11.04 | dragorn | zyxulnaga: There is a source package available already, however all it contains is the wrapper to translate kernel structs to the binary blob |
| 16:11.22 | Tu13es | zyxulnaga: would it be easier to just install becomeroot? |
| 16:11.48 | zyxulnaga | I don't know what's easier that's up to you to decide |
| 16:11.53 | zyxulnaga | dragorn: yeah I 've seen that |
| 16:11.55 | Tu13es | fair enough |
| 16:11.59 | zyxulnaga | are you refering to the one in garage? |
| 16:12.10 | _Shurik__ | brb |
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| 16:12.21 | zyxulnaga | there might be another way to get root btw :> |
| 16:12.59 | Cegy | can some help me as i've installed aircrack-ptw and i don't know how to use/get to it |
| 16:13.00 | Cegy | ? |
| 16:13.01 | zyxulnaga | gainroot does a chroot to an init filesystem |
| 16:13.09 | Okko | Sigh. "The update erases all data in the device memory." |
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| 16:14.05 | platten | does anyone know if it's possible to overclock the n800 safetly to abou 400 MHz? |
| 16:14.24 | mgedmin | what chroot? gainroot? is there some other gainroot out there that does a chroot? |
| 16:14.51 | gla55_ | platten: wouldn't the question be more like if it's possible? |
| 16:15.03 | gla55_ | or is there a tool similar to plams etc now then? |
| 16:15.06 | dragorn | Cegy: there is no packet injection on the 800. Aircrack is effectively useless, especially ptw. |
| 16:15.14 | zyxulnaga | under special conditions it does |
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| 16:15.23 | Cegy | i've got a 770 :) |
| 16:15.35 | zyxulnaga | MODE=`/usr/sbin/chroot /mnt/initfs cal-tool --get-rd-mode` |
| 16:15.35 | zyxulnaga | if [ x$MODE = xenabled ] |
| 16:15.37 | platten | I thought it had dynamic cpu frequency control |
| 16:15.54 | platten | as a way of conserving power... |
| 16:17.27 | zyxulnaga | time for food |
| 16:17.28 | zyxulnaga | bbiab |
| 16:17.29 | dragorn | Cegy: There is no packet injection for the 770 (unless you're using an external card via usb hack), blah blah blah. |
| 16:17.33 | Tu13es | hmm |
| 16:17.46 | Cegy | oh so its usless then? |
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| 16:31.53 | Presence_ | so what can I do to get wireless with enterprise WPA or just wired ethernet on my 770? |
| 16:32.02 | Presence_ | is there an usb adapter that works? |
| 16:33.09 | ||cw | out of the box? probably not, and it would be cheaper to pick up a netgear or linksys router to use as a wap anyway |
| 16:34.36 | Presence_ | cant just throw that shit into my work environment :( |
| 16:34.43 | ||cw | and as long as you run your wap in wpa, it can argue that it's more secure than letting a wifi enabled laptop connect to the ethernet... you could set the laptop wifi in ad-hoc and enabled ICS |
| 16:34.47 | Presence_ | Im set at home...its at work where it sucks :( |
| 16:35.21 | Presence_ | I set up the rogue wifi detection packages here...I would rather not show up on the rogue lists :) |
| 16:35.43 | ||cw | I mean, if they are allowing people to connect personal devices to the lan, security is out the window anyway |
| 16:36.24 | Presence_ | its all auth before IP using NAC |
| 16:36.47 | ||cw | so make it offical, I set up a public wifi here that plugs into the internet, no direct lan access, that I only plug in when guests are here and need it |
| 16:36.51 | Presence_ | if your device doesnt meet standards, you get thrown into the leper colony, which is ok, since all I want is web to the internet otherwise |
| 16:37.09 | ||cw | is there a linux client for it? |
| 16:37.27 | ||cw | is there even a windows mobile client for it? |
| 16:37.29 | Presence_ | for what? NAC? |
| 16:37.35 | Presence_ | NAC is all run on the network side. |
| 16:37.38 | ||cw | yeah |
| 16:37.48 | Presence_ | all behind the curtain |
| 16:37.53 | ||cw | but you need a client... |
| 16:38.00 | ||cw | or is it mac address based? |
| 16:38.05 | ||cw | how do laptops use it? |
| 16:38.22 | ||cw | how would you connect a linux based laotp |
| 16:38.26 | ||cw | laptop |
| 16:38.29 | Presence_ | you need a client to get internal access |
| 16:38.36 | Presence_ | if you dont have it, you go to the leper colony |
| 16:38.41 | Presence_ | which is fine... |
| 16:38.45 | ||cw | right, so back to my first questions |
| 16:38.46 | Presence_ | and there are unix clients for it |
| 16:38.59 | Presence_ | NAC is both cisco and hp... |
| 16:40.01 | ||cw | is there a windows mobile client? |
| 16:40.08 | Presence_ | sure...but I dont need it |
| 16:40.17 | Presence_ | because I just want to be in the leper colony (web access) |
| 16:41.04 | ||cw | so if there is a windows mobile, and there is unix, then a arm linux client is not too far a stretch |
| 16:41.18 | ||cw | ok then what's the problem |
| 16:41.33 | Presence_ | right...but thats alot of effort...its still WPA enterprise |
| 16:41.40 | Presence_ | which doesnt work today |
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| 16:43.29 | ||cw | so wpa and wpa2 don't cut it? |
| 16:44.52 | ||cw | hm, 770 doens't have wpa2, but does have wpa eap |
| 16:46.16 | Cegy | can someone help me with getting root on the 770 i have just ssh it and use the username as rootme but it ask for a password i don't know wat it could anyone might know wat it is ? |
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| 16:48.06 | derf | Cegy: rootme _is_ the password. |
| 16:48.09 | derf | The username is root. |
| 16:48.59 | Cegy | nice :D |
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| 16:49.38 | Cegy | is that it |
| 16:49.41 | Cegy | am root now / |
| 16:49.41 | Cegy | ? |
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| 16:52.14 | LinuxApe | anyone here using the ne mozilla browser? |
| 16:52.30 | LinuxApe | *new |
| 16:53.30 | zumbi | O_o |
| 16:53.50 | zumbi | who wants the mozilla browser? |
| 16:54.05 | Presence_ | I need WPA LEAP.... |
| 16:54.43 | Presence_ | maybe when I replace these 1200s with the hp procurve devices, EAP will be enough |
| 16:54.45 | LinuxApe | it's the gecko engine in the opera browser |
| 16:54.51 | Presence_ | since PEAP and LEAP are really cisco specific |
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| 17:00.24 | AD-N770 | do you know how to launch mediaplayer form command line ? |
| 17:01.59 | rebroad | does who know how? |
| 17:02.46 | alterego | Hmm .. My CalendarPopup wont close .. |
| 17:03.12 | rebroad | rather than using scratchbox. is it possible to gcc directly on the device instead? |
| 17:03.35 | alterego | You could use an interpreted language lebroad. |
| 17:03.44 | rebroad | AD-N770. have you tried running it from the GUI, and then running a PS to see what the process is called? |
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| 17:04.10 | ioan | hi |
| 17:04.11 | _Monkey | niihau, ioan |
| 17:04.17 | rebroad | alterego. not as efficient as a compiled prog though, is it? |
| 17:04.38 | ioan | question, a good place to get gba games for my n800? |
| 17:04.47 | alterego | Depends on what you mean by efficient. |
| 17:05.20 | alterego | It might not be _as_ fast as compiled code. But in a lot of situations you're not going to notice. |
| 17:08.16 | alterego | Okay, none of my popup dialogs are closing :/ |
| 17:08.25 | alterego | I thought 'run' took care of all that. |
| 17:08.48 | Mikho | Is there a way to clone GtkWidget:s? |
| 17:09.02 | alterego | Mikho, what do you mean by clone? |
| 17:09.06 | alterego | Copy? |
| 17:09.10 | rebroad | i was thinking of developing apps that would work on both maemo and qtopia.. does that sound doable? |
| 17:09.31 | alterego | rebroad, sure. It's doable. |
| 17:09.38 | Mikho | make a fresh new copy |
| 17:10.14 | Mikho | I'd need to copy notebook pages |
| 17:10.22 | alterego | What's with all this flippin emails from nokia I'm getting .. |
| 17:10.55 | alterego | You can write a copy func. I don't know if glib defines a gobject copy func,. |
| 17:11.01 | alterego | It might do, check the API. |
| 17:12.41 | Mikho | I can't find such a function |
| 17:13.04 | Mikho | and thanks to C, these Gtk libraries contain gazillions of functions |
| 17:13.28 | Mikho | I'd like to remove C from the world |
| 17:14.02 | alterego | It's not an issue with C Mikho. |
| 17:14.20 | alterego | Without those functions. The world wouldn't exist how you know it today :P |
| 17:14.27 | Mikho | well I know... |
| 17:15.36 | alterego | Ruby Maemo is fun :P |
| 17:16.06 | Mikho | It's just hard to feel gratitude while looking at function names such as create_new_foo_from_bar_with_parameters_type_n(...); |
| 17:16.13 | dragorn | If horrifically slow |
| 17:16.40 | dragorn | What do you think C++ does internally? Same mess. At least the GTK stuff is all named consistently. |
| 17:17.03 | Mikho | yes, the point is that it does it internally, without rubbing it into my face |
| 17:17.12 | Mikho | but anyway... |
| 17:17.20 | Mikho | I |
| 17:17.21 | Mikho | can |
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| 17:18.03 | Mikho | 't see any other way than to repeat loading the .glade file and rename&reattach some particular widgets |
| 17:19.02 | alterego | That's why I wanted to write Ruby-maemo. |
| 17:19.24 | alterego | Don't have to worry about any of that BS. |
| 17:19.33 | alterego | Especially with my dislike of C++ .. |
| 17:19.54 | Okko | hehe, Maintainer of the Skype-ui package is "FIXME <fixme@nokia.com>" |
| 17:20.07 | alterego | Heh |
| 17:21.47 | Mikho | hm, Gtk2::Ex::FormFactory looks like a solution to my problem |
| 17:23.21 | timeless | okko: i thought i complained about that |
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| 17:23.56 | rebroad | regarding getting more granular battery level readings... who would know this? only the closed source nokia developers? |
| 17:24.07 | Okko | timeless: possible |
| 17:25.15 | timeless | okko; :( i can't find a complaint about that |
| 17:28.51 | Okko | rebroad: have you checked /proc? |
| 17:29.34 | rebroad | Okko, yes |
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| 17:33.15 | timeless | http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/opensolaris-code/attachments/20070719/a4969c92/attachment.jpg |
| 17:35.03 | Mikho | oh, actually it seems libglade has meant to construct the widgets from the xml several times, it actually caches the xml structure to speed up the process |
| 17:35.52 | trevarthan | timeless: lol! |
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| 17:41.25 | blkhawk | lo |
| 17:41.43 | blkhawk | I just build a USB-host powersource |
| 17:42.51 | disq | i'm looking for a way to detect the headset button presses |
| 17:49.20 | blkhawk | any idea how to get the host mode to run or how to test it? |
| 17:50.52 | Tu13es | anyone here use hamachi? |
| 17:52.55 | trevarthan | disq: does it send a KEYDOWN event? |
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| 17:55.47 | trevarthan | my screen's backlight pulsates visibly at low power. Is that normal? |
| 17:56.05 | trevarthan | my laptop's backlight did that too before it died.... |
| 17:56.16 | disq | trevarthan: i only checked with xterm and no. couldn't find xev for armel. it could be sending some invisible X key |
| 17:56.45 | disq | haven't noticed any pulsing on mine |
| 17:56.52 | trevarthan | do all of the other hardware keys show up in xev? |
| 17:57.12 | disq | xev is supposed to show all the X events |
| 17:57.17 | disq | so probably yes |
| 17:57.49 | trevarthan | Maybe the button on the headset functions by cutting power to the mic or something? |
| 17:58.08 | disq | should be an api to detect it |
| 17:58.17 | trevarthan | dunno.... |
| 17:59.39 | timeless | sp3000: =) |
| 18:00.19 | disq | mm it sends the key 269025134 |
| 18:00.31 | disq | "1008 ff6e" |
| 18:00.40 | trevarthan | :) sweet |
| 18:01.03 | trevarthan | I really wish I hadn't lost my headset. |
| 18:02.26 | disq | the keycode is XF86XK_Phone |
| 18:02.42 | trevarthan | nice. |
| 18:03.13 | trevarthan | you gonna morse code it? :) |
| 18:03.41 | disq | i will. though i don't use the default headphones |
| 18:03.53 | zuh | I wonder if it works with the screen locked |
| 18:03.53 | trevarthan | I wonder if they put an accelerometer in that thing too. :-P |
| 18:04.06 | disq | i might have to desolder the earbuds and put in my regular iriver earbuds |
| 18:04.12 | trevarthan | zuh: do any of the keys work with the screen locked? |
| 18:04.27 | disq | if only they had the vision to do that :) |
| 18:04.38 | zuh | trevarthan: Probably not :) |
| 18:05.05 | zuh | It'd be just sensible to make it mute/unmute for media players |
| 18:05.11 | disq | they don't. iirc mce disables the keypad/touchscreen interrupts |
| 18:05.49 | disq | let me find the osso mce guy's (was it david?) mail |
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| 18:06.14 | Tu13es | so, I followed this guide and everything was fine and great |
| 18:06.22 | Tu13es | however I can't seem to run tuncfg, I get permission errors |
| 18:06.40 | trevarthan | a2dp AVRCP keys work with the screen disabled. Problem is that they're bloody slow with it disabled or enabled... like 20 - 30 seconds to register sometimes. ugh. |
| 18:06.41 | disq | "I'll see what I can do about this; for the 770 it's easy enough; the |
| 18:06.41 | disq | keypad can just be left enabled, since there's a cover anyway (with |
| 18:06.41 | disq | modifications to mce, that is). For the N800 this is not possible, |
| 18:06.41 | disq | since there's no cover, and the entire keypad (both rocker and top keys) |
| 18:06.42 | Tu13es | permission denied, that is |
| 18:06.42 | disq | are wired to the same interrupt source, which means that partial |
| 18:06.43 | disq | disabling is not possible, which means that some sort of mod to |
| 18:06.43 | disq | osso-systemui-tklock will be needed too." |
| 18:06.45 | disq | erm. really sorry |
| 18:07.02 | disq | bad, bad gmail and line breaks |
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| 18:08.06 | Tu13es | never mind, figured it out |
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| 18:11.24 | disq | mmm.. softpoweroff doesn't disable the headset button (lock screen&keys does) |
| 18:12.02 | trevarthan | I thought the whole unit shut down with softpoweroff? Like an apm/acpi suspend to ram? |
| 18:12.24 | disq | no it just turns off the screen and keys. keeps working |
| 18:12.35 | trevarthan | odd |
| 18:13.02 | disq | in fact i edited mce.ini so that a short press on the power button enables softpoweroff, a long press brings up the menu\ |
| 18:13.16 | trevarthan | what's the difference then? |
| 18:13.27 | trevarthan | Why isn't softpoweroff enabled by default? |
| 18:13.49 | disq | i think it was meant for testing (QA issues?) |
| 18:14.35 | trevarthan | yeah, I don't get it. |
| 18:15.48 | disq | i also have the led lights enabled but disabled most of them in mce.ini. they only blink if there's a chat event pending |
| 18:16.12 | trevarthan | oh, that's wicked handy. |
| 18:16.29 | trevarthan | it's like a message waiting indicator. Why the heck isn't it like that by default? |
| 18:16.48 | trevarthan | Can you please tell me how you did that? |
| 18:17.26 | disq | edit /etc/mce/mce.ini :) |
| 18:17.56 | trevarthan | wait... so which chat clients does it work with? |
| 18:17.59 | disq | to disable the led indicators for specific events, use "255;0;0;0;0;0" |
| 18:18.22 | disq | works with the built in chat thingy (won't work with xchat etc) |
| 18:18.44 | trevarthan | what does mce stand for? |
| 18:18.47 | Hyperion|n800 | anyone know if ssh for the n800 supports x forwarding? |
| 18:19.15 | disq | m* control entity. not sure about the m. could be mobile |
| 18:19.30 | trevarthan | Hyperion|n800: it supports port forwarding. Not sure about x forwarding. |
| 18:19.40 | disq | Hyperion|n800: there should be some info about that on ITT |
| 18:20.00 | Hyperion|n800 | thanks, I know it worked on the n770, i'll look into it |
| 18:20.38 | sp3000 | Name: mce |
| 18:20.39 | sp3000 | Description: Mode Control Entity |
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| 18:22.28 | trevarthan | disq: can I just remove the patterns from the LEDPatterns string? |
| 18:22.46 | Hyperion|n800 | well ssh -h turns up the -X option, so I guess it works |
| 18:23.21 | disq | not sure. to disable a pattern i replaced it with "255;0;0;0;0;0". removing them might a)revert to default b)cause mce to fail starting a reboot loop c)undefined behavior |
| 18:23.30 | disq | d)might just work |
| 18:23.32 | trevarthan | Hyperion|n800: dyndns.org. That's what I use. |
| 18:23.45 | Hyperion|n800 | ah, thanks :) |
| 18:23.47 | trevarthan | all of guardiani.us runs off a non-static ip. |
| 18:24.18 | trevarthan | disq: ok, I'll go with what you used then. I'm scared. |
| 18:24.47 | disq | removing them from "LEDPatterns" could work but never tried it |
| 18:25.15 | trevarthan | which ones did you nullify? just the battery charge events? |
| 18:25.42 | disq | PatternPowerOff, PatternDeviceOn, PatternBatteryCharging, PatternBatteryFull |
| 18:25.52 | guardian | what's the use of this maemo toolchain ??? in scratchbox repositories |
| 18:25.53 | disq | patterndeviceon is the most useless of them all |
| 18:26.07 | trevarthan | yeah... |
| 18:26.12 | disq | the leds "blip" as long as the device is on. wasting battery |
| 18:27.09 | trevarthan | can I just comment them out and add a new entry? Vim's syntax highlighting doesn't like that. |
| 18:27.11 | disq | trevarthan: while you're at it drop the PowerKeyMediumDelay and PowerKeyLongDelay vars by 500, it's easier to use that way |
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| 18:27.22 | trevarthan | ok |
| 18:27.28 | disq | yeah you can |
| 18:27.43 | disq | i just back up mce.ini as mce.ini.original and don't bother with commenting |
| 18:27.50 | guardian | i meant devkit |
| 18:27.52 | guardian | this one: http://scratchbox.org/download/files/sbox-releases/apophis/deb/scratchbox-devkit-maemo3_1.0_i386.deb |
| 18:27.57 | guardian | i can't find any doc on it |
| 18:29.08 | trevarthan | disq: yeah, good idea |
| 18:29.47 | disq | now I have sardine on the other partition i'm kinda more flexible playing with the system |
| 18:30.08 | disq | if it doesn't boot, i can boot sardine, mount the partition and revert |
| 18:31.01 | trevarthan | disq: how do I make these changes take effect? Just turn on the LEDs? |
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| 18:31.16 | Cegy | wat is scratchbox? |
| 18:31.17 | Cegy | :P |
| 18:31.26 | disq | trevarthan: reboot :) |
| 18:31.32 | trevarthan | ah |
| 18:32.27 | disq | kill -HUP mce could work though |
| 18:32.57 | guardian | isn't there anything more than schedules online ? for guadec 2007 ? like presentation slides, video streams etc ? |
| 18:33.42 | guardian | wtf, even the dog agility competition that takes place in my village streams all around the world ! |
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| 18:35.06 | sp3000 | mmm, webamecopyimglocation |
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| 18:38.22 | Tu13es | anyone familiar with hamachi? |
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| 18:42.58 | timelE61i | sp3000: ping |
| 18:43.07 | sp3000 | pong |
| 18:43.40 | timelE61i | a friend needs to find a timetable from roama sp to helsinki for tmorrow |
| 18:44.23 | sp3000 | from what? |
| 18:44.25 | timelE61i | is the busstation still open and do they have a usable web site' |
| 18:45.09 | timelE61i | it's on the west coast.. Rauma |
| 18:45.13 | sp3000 | ah :) |
| 18:45.30 | sp3000 | http://matkahuolto.fi/en/ |
| 18:47.26 | timelE61i | hrm, friend found timetable |
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| 18:47.42 | timelE61i | now i just need to find food |
| 18:49.44 | timelE61i | Ideas? :( |
| 18:50.11 | Tu13es | can I tunnel all my traffic from my n800 via a ssh tunnel? |
| 18:50.32 | timelE61i | yes |
| 18:51.05 | danilo_ | Tu13es, I'd made a port of tsocks some weeks ago, but it doesn't worked with some app's |
| 18:51.17 | Tu13es | hmm |
| 18:51.29 | Hyperion|n800 | hrm, google spreadsheets loads up with a black cell field..... |
| 18:51.32 | Tu13es | basically when I'm on campus WLAN, they block most stuff except 80, 443, 22, and a few others |
| 18:51.44 | Tu13es | so I figure I should tunnel all my traffic through 22 to my home PC |
| 18:52.16 | sp3000 | more importantly, can you tunnel food to timelE61i via a ssh tunnel |
| 18:52.19 | danilo_ | Yes. I have the same problem. |
| 18:52.28 | danilo_ | sp3000, ? |
| 18:53.25 | timelE61i | sp3000: the pizza bug predaes you, right? |
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| 18:54.28 | sp3000 | 102849? |
| 18:54.50 | Cegy | is there any wlan scanners for 770 ? |
| 18:54.56 | trevarthan | stupid internet connection. goes down once a week. retarded. |
| 18:54.58 | Cegy | or bluetooth |
| 18:54.58 | _Monkey | i guess bluetooth is the only protocol that really needs the system to have a recognizable name |
| 18:55.17 | trevarthan | shut up monkey. |
| 18:55.33 | sp3000 | _Monkey: forget bluetooth |
| 18:55.34 | _Monkey | sp3000: I forgot bluetooth |
| 18:55.47 | sp3000 | (or, uh, don't talk unless talked to) |
| 18:55.48 | trevarthan | did I miss anything? |
| 18:55.55 | timelE61i | sounds about right |
| 18:56.32 | trevarthan | I wish you could verbally abuse _Monkey. That would be fun. |
| 18:56.54 | timelE61i | does it fight back? |
| 18:57.02 | trevarthan | nah. |
| 18:57.05 | trevarthan | badmonkey |
| 18:57.05 | _Monkey | badmonkey is a _Monkey that gets no biscuit! |
| 18:57.13 | trevarthan | he knows his place though. |
| 18:57.18 | sp3000 | hm, not entirely, I reported something a few months prior |
| 18:57.28 | sp3000 | don't recall seeing that one before though |
| 18:57.51 | trevarthan | trevarthan? |
| 18:57.52 | _Monkey | rumour has it trevarthan is the man who wried the page |
| 18:58.02 | trevarthan | forget trevarthan |
| 18:58.03 | _Monkey | trevarthan: I forgot trevarthan |
| 18:58.19 | timelE61i | _monkey status |
| 18:58.19 | _Monkey | Since Tue Jul 17 20:38:49 2007, there have been 231 modifications and 14 questions. I have been awake for 1 day, 23 hours, 19 minutes, 29 seconds this session, and currently reference 1224 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode. |
| 18:58.41 | trevarthan | trevarthan? |
| 18:58.54 | trevarthan | trevarthan is a cowardly programmer who stole an n800 from a baby and regularly has relations with _Monkey's mom. |
| 18:58.58 | trevarthan | trevarthan? |
| 18:58.58 | _Monkey | trevarthan is a cowardly programmer who stole an n800 from a baby and regularly has relations with my mom. |
| 18:59.01 | trevarthan | nice. |
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| 18:59.49 | sbaturzio | Aloha! |
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| 19:03.49 | timelE61i | did you see the code stats site oloho? |
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| 19:06.57 | sp3000 | ohloh? |
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| 19:28.26 | alterego | Has anyone here ever used the CodeDialog? |
| 19:29.42 | alterego | It displays a dialog. Just not with any key pad :/ |
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| 19:42.19 | b52laptop | hi |
| 19:42.19 | _Monkey | niihau, b52laptop |
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| 20:03.51 | b52laptop | stupid question : maemo will run in another device except nokia 770 ? |
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| 20:26.46 | timeless | sp3000: http://ohloh.net/ |
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| 20:40.05 | blkhawk | does the usb-host mode work on os2005? |
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| 20:44.01 | mgedmin | blkhawk: you mean on the nokia 770? yes, it does, if you do the appropriate hardware and software hacks |
| 20:45.19 | blkhawk | ah |
| 20:45.28 | blkhawk | I might miss a software hack then |
| 20:45.48 | blkhawk | I have a power source running and switched to the host mode with the flasher |
| 20:46.05 | blkhawk | but dmesq doesn't show anything no matter what i plug in |
| 20:46.23 | Cegy | anyone knows if u can out x-chat full screen on the 770 ? |
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| 20:50.01 | Tu13es | out? |
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| 20:50.26 | VladDrac | so, where's the collection of cool 770 software apps? :) |
| 20:51.04 | Tu13es | http://maemo.org/downloads/ |
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| 20:51.59 | SomeoneE1se | anything new or exciting? |
| 20:52.45 | VladDrac | hmm, 4 downloadable apps.. impressive :) |
| 20:55.27 | soothsayer | I know this is OT, but does anyone know any place on the internet to get real-time coverage of the Pan American Games in Rio? |
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| 21:06.29 | ||cw | VladDrac: maemo.org, wiki, application catalog |
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| 21:10.13 | Aceado | Hi how can i get x-chat full screen? |
| 21:10.55 | Aceado | Ive got a 770 |
| 21:12.31 | ||cw | Aceado: the full screen button doens't do it? |
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| 21:13.26 | Aceado | Nope |
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| 21:20.30 | rittyan2 | Hi, which repo should I add in order to have libglade for nokia n800? |
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| 21:22.48 | VladDrac | but it's failing with a very uninformative "Package not found" |
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| 21:26.17 | ||cw | VladDrac: did you add the source for it? |
| 21:26.39 | VladDrac | I followed the instructions on http://pidgin.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 21:27.05 | VladDrac | installed three sources, updated, chose 'pidin' from 'instantmessaging' |
| 21:27.14 | VladDrac | in installed, seemed fine until the very end |
| 21:33.25 | Cegy | can someone tell me how i can get the file broswer type thing when i shh to my 770 ? |
| 21:33.56 | VladDrac | hmm, I wonder what account to login when installing the dropbear ssh server |
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| 21:34.27 | mgedmin | Cegy: "the file broswer type thing"? perhaps you mean midnight commander? |
| 21:34.41 | Cegy | can u get it for windows tho ? |
| 21:34.42 | Cegy | :| |
| 21:34.58 | mgedmin | in that case you don't mean midnight commander, I guess |
| 21:35.26 | mgedmin | do you want to browse the 770's files on your computer through a ssh connection? in linux I'd suggest sshfs |
| 21:35.40 | Cegy | yeah |
| 21:35.45 | mgedmin | I don't know if a windows solution exists... perhaps some SFTP client |
| 21:36.12 | Cegy | i was gonna use winscp but i think i need to install open shh |
| 21:36.16 | VladDrac | does anyone know what password to login with after installing dropbear? (or where to configure it) |
| 21:36.23 | sp3000 | VladDrac: look in the appmanagers log |
| 21:36.52 | sp3000 | menu tools -> log |
| 21:36.58 | Cegy | user:root pass:rootme |
| 21:37.12 | sp3000 | usually has details when you get one of its useless error dialogs |
| 21:37.26 | VladDrac | cegy: tx |
| 21:37.39 | VladDrac | sp3000: thanks for the tip. Still need to find my way around the system |
| 21:37.49 | mgedmin | Cegy: yes, if you want to use scp/sftp, you need to have an ssh server running on the 770 |
| 21:38.15 | Cegy | which 1 would i use for that on the 770 ? |
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| 21:39.25 | mgedmin | Cegy: I've used openssh with great success. I never tried dropbear |
| 21:40.19 | VladDrac | "Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/pool/.... libice6_6.3.4-2_armel.deb and libsm6_6.0.4-3osso1_armel.deb |
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| 21:45.37 | Cegy | where can i get openshh from? |
| 21:46.20 | sp3000 | VladDrac: maybe need to refresh? tools -> ... |
| 21:46.37 | VladDrac | sp3000: that's not it |
| 21:46.45 | VladDrac | (tried apt-get update as well) |
| 21:46.47 | Cegy | mgedmin ? |
| 21:47.05 | sp3000 | Cegy: maemo.org/downloads, search, should generally do it? |
| 21:47.20 | Cegy | no luck there |
| 21:47.39 | sp3000 | what flavor of no luck? |
| 21:47.54 | Cegy | as in i can't find it there |
| 21:47.54 | mgedmin | Cegy: what did you look for? |
| 21:48.02 | Cegy | open shh? |
| 21:48.07 | mgedmin | that's why |
| 21:48.11 | mgedmin | it's S S H, not S H H |
| 21:48.20 | mgedmin | Secure SHell |
| 21:48.43 | Cegy | cheers |
| 21:48.45 | sp3000 | VladDrac: doesn't it give more details on subsequent lines? |
| 21:48.53 | Cegy | the client/server is the 1 i want right? |
| 21:49.03 | mgedmin | probably not |
| 21:49.06 | mgedmin | I think that's dropbear |
| 21:49.11 | VladDrac | Err http://repository.maemo.org mistral/free libice6 6.3.4-2 |
| 21:49.11 | VladDrac | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.11 | VladDrac | Err http://repository.maemo.org mistral/free libsm6 1:6.0.4-3osso1 |
| 21:49.12 | VladDrac | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.13 | mgedmin | well, you could try it |
| 21:49.13 | rittyan2 | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1271 <- I wonder if it's my problem too :| bug is old and it has no comments |
| 21:49.23 | mgedmin | but don't ask me for help, as I've never tried it |
| 21:49.26 | mgedmin | openssh is the one I've used |
| 21:49.41 | mgedmin | the only trick is that to install it you need to use http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationManagerRedPillMode |
| 21:49.41 | Cegy | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/openssh |
| 21:49.47 | Cegy | thats it isn't it? |
| 21:51.35 | sp3000 | VladDrac: hm, I guess it sounds like something about the mistral repo is being broken |
| 21:51.45 | VladDrac | it does |
| 21:54.06 | VladDrac | btw what kind of restoration/debricking features does the 770 have? |
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| 21:55.27 | VladDrac | btw adding sources for 'gregale' seems to fix my issues |
| 21:55.31 | sp3000 | the backup app backs up some stuff, manual backing up via e.g. scp, reflash |
| 21:55.54 | VladDrac | ah.. there it is :) |
| 21:56.05 | VladDrac | "Welcome to Pidgin!" :) |
| 22:01.40 | Presence_ | does pidgin work now? |
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| 22:02.01 | rittyan | does any of you have evince installed? |
| 22:07.59 | rittyan | if so, could somebody please tell me where did he get libglade2-0, because on attempt to install evince from bora-extras repository I have the following error: "Application packages missing: libglade2-0" |
| 22:12.07 | disq | gah. SDL doesn't recognize the headset button keysym and instead of passing it on it just eats the event |
| 22:12.25 | disq | you get "X11: Unknown xsym, sym = 0x1008ff6e". great. (it's in https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/libsdl1.2/src/video/x11/SDL_x11events.c ) |
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| 22:15.07 | alterego | How stable is the SVN generally? |
| 22:15.22 | disq | the svn? which one? |
| 22:15.43 | alterego | Maemo, hildon |
| 22:17.05 | disq | stable? you mean the trunk? it's work in progress so i wouldn't expect much |
| 22:18.01 | alterego | Right |
| 22:20.27 | pupnik | i need a job |
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| 22:20.51 | alterego | Get one then :P |
| 22:21.29 | pupnik | what do you do alterego |
| 22:22.33 | alterego | I admin VDS servers, consultancy, web design custom apps. |
| 22:22.44 | alterego | Whatever people want me to do really. |
| 22:22.52 | alterego | If I want to do it that is. |
| 22:23.10 | pupnik | what country |
| 22:23.19 | alterego | UK |
| 22:24.06 | pupnik | doing it on your own or as part of a company |
| 22:24.17 | alterego | A bit of both. |
| 22:24.48 | alterego | I work a bit by myself, but I have long term contracts with companies that get me to do things for them and their clients. |
| 22:24.49 | pupnik | good contacts then... you doing the project management too? customer side? or mainly on the grunt side? |
| 22:25.31 | alterego | Mainly project management and grunt work. I'm the guy they get in when no one else can do it. |
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| 22:25.45 | alterego | Probably because of my price tag ^_^ |
| 22:26.14 | pupnik | i was doing that stuff for big money back in 2000 |
| 22:26.18 | pupnik | the lies got to me |
| 22:26.24 | disq | same here. though i don't like dealing directly with clients |
| 22:26.33 | alterego | I'd like to get into R&D but I dunno what. |
| 22:26.47 | alterego | Yeah, I'm not a fan of clients either :) |
| 22:26.57 | alterego | Which is the nice thing of having proxy businesses. |
| 22:27.02 | pupnik | my opinion is that business is 30-40% ass rape |
| 22:27.17 | pupnik | if you have some kind of talent where you can do honest business, you belong to a lucky few |
| 22:27.26 | alterego | I stiff them they stiff the next guy ^_^ |
| 22:28.03 | pupnik | it's the same with car mechanics |
| 22:28.32 | alterego | Heh |
| 22:28.41 | alterego | I think it's just the way the world works, |
| 22:29.01 | alterego | I don't really stiff people. I charge a basic £50 p/h |
| 22:29.05 | pupnik | well, that's true. but then rape, murder and robbery are more honest. |
| 22:29.38 | pupnik | at least then you're not screwing someone while trying to convince them they should be grateful |
| 22:29.39 | alterego | They know that, if they weren't happy paying it. Or didn't think I was worth it they'd employ the idiots they used to that screw everything up :) |
| 22:29.49 | pupnik | yeah you know what |
| 22:29.58 | pupnik | the real money is in milking the government tits |
| 22:30.06 | alterego | Income support? |
| 22:30.10 | alterego | You want to be a Chav? |
| 22:30.12 | pupnik | because the government is the big mafioso |
| 22:30.13 | pupnik | no |
| 22:30.21 | pupnik | like Ellison |
| 22:30.22 | alterego | Ah, civil contracts. |
| 22:30.23 | pupnik | Oracle |
| 22:30.30 | pupnik | yep |
| 22:30.32 | alterego | I'd love to get into that ;) |
| 22:30.40 | timtimred | the real money is in finance :) |
| 22:30.42 | pupnik | big fat tits |
| 22:31.27 | pupnik | well people in irc are not qualified to talk about that stuff |
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| 22:32.54 | timtimred | alterego, just phone an agency, if you are in or near london it wont take long! :) |
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| 22:33.31 | alterego | I like in Cambridge, so not far out ^_^ |
| 22:33.35 | alterego | ~live |
| 22:33.36 | infobot | ACTION rises from the dead and starts eating people. |
| 22:33.42 | alterego | O_O |
| 22:33.44 | alterego | Hahah |
| 22:33.50 | timtimred | cambridge is a weird outer london IT haven too |
| 22:33.56 | timtimred | citrix and ARM are there and then some |
| 22:34.01 | alterego | Yeah, I love it hear :D |
| 22:34.38 | alterego | Probably one of the prettiest/scenic industrial areas in the country. |
| 22:35.55 | alterego | My first Ruby Maemo app is going to be a decent archive (compression/decompression) utility. |
| 22:36.25 | timtimred | alterego im pretty near you in chelmsford (relatively, for irc) but commute into the square mile |
| 22:36.27 | b52laptop | stupid question : maemo will run in another device except nokia n770/800 :d ? |
| 22:36.42 | alterego | b52laptop, sure. |
| 22:37.04 | b52laptop | alterego, euh for example ? |
| 22:37.11 | alterego | I wouldn't mind commuting to London. |
| 22:37.21 | alterego | b52laptop, google.com |
| 22:37.29 | b52laptop | alterego, thanks :) |
| 22:37.35 | alterego | (Don't know off hand ;) |
| 22:37.36 | b52laptop | didn't know that one :d |
| 22:39.22 | alterego | The amount of research I've put in over the past days I get a little short when people can't be bothered to put the effort in themselves. |
| 22:43.14 | b52laptop | euh ! |
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| 22:43.51 | b52laptop | alterego, i think i have said "thanks for answering " no need to push to thing further ... |
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| 22:46.27 | Tak | perfect for the ITs: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/games/sm |
| 22:47.18 | alterego | b52laptop, it was just a general comment. I didn't mean anything against you personally. |
| 22:47.42 | alterego | More about my bad temper :P |
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| 22:56.19 | Aceado | Can someone tell me wat is safe 2 remove from the app man with the red pill enable? |
| 23:00.19 | Aceado | I mean i have the reb pill enable and i can see everythink installed and wanting 2 know wat is safe 2 remove? |
| 23:01.07 | alterego | Aceado, why do you want to remove anything? |
| 23:01.42 | alterego | You'd suppose that some things are installed their for a reason. |
| 23:01.45 | Tak | I would say that everything that's "safe" to remove is already removable in blue pill mode |
| 23:01.47 | alterego | If not installed by you that is. |
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| 23:03.42 | Aceado | Well im in the red mode so are u saying not 2remove anything from there but only on the bue mobe.? |
| 23:04.15 | Tak | that certainly seems like the safest course of action |
| 23:04.17 | Aceado | Blue mode |
| 23:04.30 | Aceado | Ok |
| 23:05.52 | Aceado | Is there anyway 4 me 2 browse my 770 internal memory? |
| 23:07.22 | alterego | What do you mean browse Aceado? |
| 23:07.35 | alterego | And what memory? |
| 23:07.58 | Aceado | The internal 1 |
| 23:08.08 | Aceado | Flash memory |
| 23:12.53 | procto | so what does it mean if when I try to turn my n800 on, it shows the Nokia splash screen, and then just remains black? |
| 23:13.17 | procto | I left it on for a while, but I locked the screen and keys and assumed that would keep battery useage low |
| 23:13.27 | procto | does it just mean the battery is slow? |
| 23:14.10 | Aceado | Its bricked maybe? |
| 23:14.21 | procto | bricked? |
| 23:15.12 | procto | I'm hoping the battery just died |
| 23:15.22 | procto | oh, so if the battery dies while asleep, this happens? |
| 23:17.43 | Tak | does this happen when it's plugged in as well? |
| 23:18.21 | procto | I don't know yet |
| 23:18.26 | procto | I'm at work, charger's at home |
| 23:18.32 | procto | so I'm gonna try it when I get there |
| 23:18.37 | Tak | sounds like the battery's just dead |
| 23:18.38 | procto | I really hope the battery's just dead |
| 23:18.40 | procto | and not bricked |
| 23:19.22 | procto | guess people only check the chan right before leaving :> |
| 23:19.28 | procto | so I'm gonna head home now, too |
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| 23:24.13 | unique311 | hellos |
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| 23:55.22 | sciboy | What was the cause of the WSoD anyhow? |
