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| 00:22.21 | |tbb| | anyone awake? |
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| 01:22.14 | edt | anyone have any new info on the sdhc/sd corruption problems that seem worst with the new fm? |
| 01:22.49 | eugene | edt: there's a reply in the maemo-developer's mailing list |
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| 01:33.47 | Luria | it's always so lively here :-) |
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| 01:49.24 | Luria | wow, the n800 is really buggy when the battery gets low |
| 01:49.40 | GeneralAntilles | Really? |
| 01:49.42 | GeneralAntilles | Haven't noticed. |
| 01:50.26 | Luria | ive had status bar icons disappear |
| 01:51.11 | Luria | just a minute ago, i had to reboot because "enter" on my BT keyboard would pull up the thumb board instaed of sending enter |
| 01:51.57 | Luria | deleted the profile, re-"paired" the devices |
| 01:52.12 | GeneralAntilles | I need to get a BT keyboard. |
| 01:52.14 | Luria | and i was already plugged in |
| 01:52.14 | Luria | only a reboot fixed it |
| 01:52.21 | GeneralAntilles | I want one that I can re-map to Dvorak, though. :) |
| 01:52.26 | Luria | it's so useful |
| 01:52.38 | Luria | and the only reason I'm able to chat right now |
| 01:52.41 | Luria | ah |
| 01:52.53 | Luria | well, the software side is easy |
| 01:52.57 | GeneralAntilles | I'm pretty fast on the thumbboard |
| 01:53.05 | Luria | but removable caps... |
| 01:53.16 | GeneralAntilles | Software is easy, but I gotta find a model where the caps are all the same size. |
| 01:53.25 | Luria | the thumbboard is nice, but i find the delay frustrating |
| 01:53.26 | GeneralAntilles | Thumbboard lacks multitouch, so that actually slows me down. |
| 01:53.38 | GeneralAntilles | I don't have any delay problems with the latest firmware. |
| 01:53.58 | Luria | plus the auto caps, plus the blocking of the rest of the screen |
| 01:54.14 | Luria | also, xterm with thumboard is painful |
| 01:54.53 | Luria | im really happy with my keyboard |
| 01:55.08 | Luria | ive stopped carrying around my notebook |
| 01:55.22 | Luria | no more dangerous waters on the go, though :-/ |
| 01:56.03 | GeneralAntilles | caps needs to be disabled |
| 01:56.07 | GeneralAntilles | especially as buggy as it is. |
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| 01:57.09 | Luria | oops :-) |
| 01:57.33 | Luria | should have used the stylus to minimize |
| 01:59.28 | Luria | GeneralAntilles: thing is, with a dvorak layout, you have to have a number row, which makes for a bigger keyboard |
| 02:00.02 | GeneralAntilles | Hmm |
| 02:00.05 | GeneralAntilles | True enough |
| 02:00.16 | GeneralAntilles | I learned to touch type on both layouts, though. |
| 02:00.23 | GeneralAntilles | So I can't type on them without the caps. |
| 02:00.26 | Luria | and ive found i can pretty much do without |
| 02:00.51 | GeneralAntilles | Blank-caps keyboards I just end up typing an amalgamation of both. :D |
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| 02:01.27 | verto | Hello? |
| 02:01.35 | verto | Is anyone on? |
| 02:01.37 | GeneralAntilles | Hi there |
| 02:01.38 | _Monkey | salut, GeneralAntilles |
| 02:01.46 | GeneralAntilles | At ease, soldier. ;) |
| 02:01.52 | verto | lol |
| 02:02.10 | verto | So are you guys coders for programs on the N series tablets? |
| 02:02.34 | GeneralAntilles | I'm just some choad on the internet. |
| 02:02.36 | GeneralAntilles | So, no. |
| 02:02.56 | verto | I see |
| 02:03.21 | verto | Do you even have an N series tablet? |
| 02:03.26 | Luria | i so need to download the dev vm |
| 02:03.42 | GeneralAntilles | I have 4 |
| 02:03.46 | verto | Oh wow |
| 02:03.48 | verto | lol |
| 02:03.49 | Luria | huh... why do it later... off to wget :-) |
| 02:03.51 | GeneralAntilles | 2 of them purchased before they hit. ;) |
| 02:03.57 | verto | Nice |
| 02:04.05 | verto | You got the N800? |
| 02:04.05 | Luria | GeneralAntilles, you have four!? |
| 02:04.07 | GeneralAntilles | I wuv my ITs |
| 02:04.13 | GeneralAntilles | 2 770s, 2 N800s |
| 02:04.14 | verto | They are VERY nice |
| 02:04.17 | verto | wow |
| 02:04.25 | GeneralAntilles | One 770 for my sister |
| 02:04.29 | GeneralAntilles | One N800 for me |
| 02:04.30 | Luria | i was thinking of supplementing my n800 with a 770 |
| 02:04.33 | GeneralAntilles | One n800 formy dad |
| 02:04.44 | Luria | for at home use only |
| 02:04.47 | verto | Ya, I just bought my first N800 the other day |
| 02:04.50 | GeneralAntilles | One 770 because woot had them cheap and I figured it was worth it for the extra battery. |
| 02:05.01 | verto | I played with it in the store for about an hour, and I loved it |
| 02:05.18 | GeneralAntilles | The 770 makes a perfect bedside ebook reader and webbrowser |
| 02:05.26 | GeneralAntilles | The formfactor is especially good for ebooks. |
| 02:05.28 | Luria | actually, i think the w00t deal was good for the extra *screen* |
| 02:05.36 | verto | brb |
| 02:05.41 | Luria | for the n800 |
| 02:05.45 | GeneralAntilles | gnutella is a good place to get digital copies since the legit sources hate us. |
| 02:06.35 | Luria | i read freakonomics on the n800 on a flight to miami :-) |
| 02:07.19 | GeneralAntilles | I usually watch movies/TV shows on the plane. |
| 02:07.41 | GeneralAntilles | Once you get the encoding right, the N800 is an awesome movie player. |
| 02:07.49 | GeneralAntilles | I just got a 3g phone |
| 02:07.54 | Luria | i did that on the flight back to nyc :-) |
| 02:07.58 | Luria | oh nice |
| 02:08.00 | GeneralAntilles | Rhapsody in the car over the data connection is something to see. |
| 02:08.18 | Luria | i tried edge on my phone the other day... it was abysmal |
| 02:08.36 | Luria | ie, the n800 through my motorola |
| 02:09.06 | edt | see www.baen.com for some free scifi books. If you buy they do not protect and fbviewer works great with pilot formated books... |
| 02:09.24 | GeneralAntilles | I had EDGE for 2 months. |
| 02:09.45 | GeneralAntilles | What you have to do when you use EDGE is be ready for it. |
| 02:09.51 | GeneralAntilles | Don't expect broadband |
| 02:09.53 | GeneralAntilles | you wont get it. |
| 02:09.55 | Luria | which service/area/edge class? |
| 02:10.06 | GeneralAntilles | But if you expect long page loads, then it's fine. |
| 02:10.09 | GeneralAntilles | Cingular |
| 02:10.10 | Luria | i was expecting better than 14k |
| 02:10.13 | GeneralAntilles | about 120Kbps |
| 02:10.32 | GeneralAntilles | The biggest problem with EDGE isn't so much the data speeds, but the connection lag. |
| 02:10.46 | GeneralAntilles | It takes FOREVER to start loading |
| 02:10.57 | GeneralAntilles | I managed it by doing something else while a page loaded |
| 02:11.00 | GeneralAntilles | and turning off images |
| 02:11.03 | GeneralAntilles | That helps a bunch. |
| 02:11.35 | Luria | i dunno. 14k is horrible for class 4 edge |
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| 02:11.54 | Luria | i may have to get the latest RAZR |
| 02:12.12 | Luria | but its also my service area |
| 02:12.52 | Luria | cingular/att nyc. i live 1/2 half mile from the flagship apple store :-/ |
| 02:13.22 | GeneralAntilles | I get good coverage in Tampa Bay, FL |
| 02:13.27 | Luria | maybe less, even |
| 02:13.36 | GeneralAntilles | There seems to be a tower missing right over my neighborhood, though. :) |
| 02:13.48 | Luria | at least they have an open wifi spot for n800 goodness :-) |
| 02:14.58 | Luria | i would just like packet injection to work :-) |
| 02:15.11 | Luria | that would help my "coverage" |
| 02:15.40 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 02:15.58 | GeneralAntilles | If you're on Cingular and nearing the end of your contract, check out the SCH-A717 |
| 02:16.08 | GeneralAntilles | Only 1.8Mbps HSDPA |
| 02:16.11 | GeneralAntilles | But it's very small |
| 02:16.14 | GeneralAntilles | decent battery life |
| 02:17.07 | Luria | im out of contract on cingular |
| 02:17.24 | Luria | using my reflashed and now unlocked v551 |
| 02:17.42 | Luria | sounds good |
| 02:17.42 | GeneralAntilles | I can't stand moto phones |
| 02:17.49 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia spoiled me with the 6682 |
| 02:18.26 | Luria | honestly, i want a quad band, eink phone with grps/edge and hsdpa |
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| 02:18.36 | Luria | i dont care about anything else |
| 02:18.49 | Luria | though i will admit a camera has been handy at times. |
| 02:19.23 | Luria | i cant be the only one though who want a long life all format phone |
| 02:19.46 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 02:20.05 | GeneralAntilles | I was perfectly happy with my 1000i on Nextel back in the day. |
| 02:20.09 | GeneralAntilles | That phone lasted me FOREVER |
| 02:20.24 | Luria | i remember i took my ericsson t39 to prague from berlin for a week |
| 02:20.31 | Luria | i forgot my charger |
| 02:20.49 | Luria | the phone gave out on the ubahn ride home from the the train station |
| 02:21.50 | Luria | triband gprs. black and white screen. 2002. why cant i do that anymore? |
| 02:22.45 | Luria | i would get that indian eink motorola phone if it werent dual band |
| 02:23.55 | GeneralAntilles | Battery tech really needs to improve now. |
| 02:24.04 | Luria | hah - GeneralAntilles - while looking for the samsung phone, i came across your itt post |
| 02:24.06 | GeneralAntilles | Probably the thing that's holding back mobile device development the most. |
| 02:24.10 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 02:25.14 | Luria | how's hacking on the a717? |
| 02:25.25 | Luria | one thing i like about the v551 |
| 02:25.31 | verto | back |
| 02:25.32 | GeneralAntilles | I haven't done a damn thing with the phone. |
| 02:25.44 | verto | Hey Luria, do you pay for service? |
| 02:25.47 | GeneralAntilles | I just use it for voice and the occasional text. |
| 02:25.47 | Luria | is how easy it is to hack/unlock/unbrand |
| 02:25.57 | verto | on your v551? |
| 02:26.01 | Luria | verto:pay for service? |
| 02:26.05 | Luria | of course |
| 02:26.27 | Luria | its kinda dumb to steal cellphone service |
| 02:27.18 | Luria | but im out of contract and warranty, so i dont mind taking apart the phone |
| 02:27.22 | verto | Y |
| 02:27.24 | verto | ya* |
| 02:27.37 | verto | My contract is almost out |
| 02:27.41 | verto | and I don't want to renew |
| 02:27.56 | Luria | which is handy, because motorola completely screwed up the first batch of that phone |
| 02:27.58 | verto | but I don't have web for my service plan |
| 02:28.24 | verto | So I get charged an arm and a leg if I connect to my Tmobile web from my n800 |
| 02:28.35 | Luria | you can change your services without a new contract |
| 02:28.43 | Luria | at least on cingular |
| 02:28.57 | verto | tmobile makes me sign a 2yr |
| 02:29.16 | Luria | my 1 year contractwas over about 2 years ago, and ive added services |
| 02:29.25 | verto | Once my contract drops im prob gonna ship to verizon |
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| 02:29.49 | verto | Cingular is too pricey for my plan though |
| 02:30.03 | Luria | i got a regional plan from wirefly and changed it almost immediately to a national plan |
| 02:30.08 | verto | I got unlim messaging/minutes for $80 a month with roaming and long distance |
| 02:30.23 | verto | Cingular was like $130 for the same thing in my area |
| 02:30.24 | GeneralAntilles | MediaMAX 200 |
| 02:30.31 | Luria | really? ive always found verizon to be more expensive |
| 02:30.34 | GeneralAntilles | for data on Cingular |
| 02:30.58 | Luria | mediamax 200 is only 25$ |
| 02:31.06 | Luria | on top of your plan |
| 02:31.22 | Luria | or is that the 20$ plan? |
| 02:31.48 | verto | i Haven't looked at verizons prices for everything yet |
| 02:31.52 | verto | im on tmobile atm |
| 02:31.55 | Luria | in anycase, rollover rocks |
| 02:32.12 | verto | Ya, my thing is that with verizon everyone I know is in that "In" thing |
| 02:32.15 | Luria | verto, it also depends on the people you call. |
| 02:32.15 | GeneralAntilles | 20$ on top for me |
| 02:32.19 | verto | So all my calls/text are free |
| 02:32.29 | GeneralAntilles | I have 6000 minutes in rollover on a family plan. |
| 02:32.33 | GeneralAntilles | We need to use more minutes. ;) |
| 02:32.40 | verto | lol |
| 02:32.52 | Luria | i have 3000+ minutes alone |
| 02:33.05 | Luria | and i have the 450 minute plan |
| 02:33.07 | verto | I am alone and burn about 2-3k minutes and 8-10k messages (IM, Text, Pix, etc...) |
| 02:33.32 | Luria | everyone i routinely call is on cingular, so its rare that i use my minutes |
| 02:33.44 | verto | Hey, do you guys use your N800 as-is when you get it? Or do you change out the OS on it? |
| 02:33.52 | GeneralAntilles | Use the built-in OS |
| 02:33.55 | GeneralAntilles | Modify it to hell. |
| 02:33.58 | Luria | change out the OS? |
| 02:33.58 | _Monkey | Luria: that doesn't look right |
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| 02:34.40 | Luria | what doesnt look right? |
| 02:35.03 | verto | What all do I do to modify it? I don't think I can be gettin a replacement OS when I mess it all up so I wanna be careful (Unless that Nokia updater will replace it or something) |
| 02:35.34 | GeneralAntilles | You can reflash if you mess up |
| 02:35.46 | GeneralAntilles | The one thing you want to do now is make sure it's got the most recent firmware. |
| 02:35.46 | Luria | get ssh, get root, get funky |
| 02:35.47 | verto | Alright, so the updater |
| 02:35.47 | verto | np |
| 02:35.54 | edt | verto back it up, use the updater to update it to the latest OS. |
| 02:35.58 | verto | Sweet, I can ssh to it |
| 02:36.15 | edt | verto find out what all the buttons do to |
| 02:36.21 | Luria | yeah, you may want to change the root/rootme passwd |
| 02:36.26 | Luria | :-) |
| 02:36.30 | verto | whats the default? |
| 02:36.32 | verto | blank? |
| 02:36.36 | edt | rootme |
| 02:36.36 | Luria | rootme |
| 02:36.39 | verto | lol |
| 02:36.41 | Luria | :-) |
| 02:36.44 | verto | thats lame |
| 02:36.46 | verto | haha |
| 02:36.47 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 02:36.56 | edt | just do not change the user password |
| 02:36.57 | verto | better then toor I guess |
| 02:37.01 | verto | root backwards |
| 02:37.02 | GeneralAntilles | One thing to be sure to change is the soft-power-off for the power button long-press. |
| 02:37.03 | edt | this can cause fun |
| 02:37.15 | verto | Ya, im sure |
| 02:37.19 | verto | hmmm, public wifi |
| 02:37.29 | verto | woo, who has their nokia on here?? haha |
| 02:37.34 | Luria | what is the user password |
| 02:37.37 | verto | yay for linux ssh attacks |
| 02:37.41 | edt | how do you change the soft poweroff on the button??? |
| 02:37.44 | verto | brb |
| 02:37.53 | Luria | verto, im typing in xchat on my n800, BT keyboard |
| 02:38.10 | Luria | open wifi spot at a cafe in nyc |
| 02:38.19 | edt | I am very impressed with my n800 which I have had for a month now |
| 02:38.30 | edt | BT kb is on my list |
| 02:38.31 | Luria | just as important, open power socket :-) |
| 02:38.47 | GeneralAntilles | You have to edit mce.ini |
| 02:38.59 | GeneralAntilles | Wait until you flash and get root/ssh |
| 02:39.04 | Luria | edt: i got one 3 days after my n800. havent looked back. |
| 02:39.18 | edt | foldable? |
| 02:39.22 | Luria | yeah |
| 02:39.29 | edt | make? |
| 02:39.33 | Luria | the thinkoutside one without the number row |
| 02:40.24 | GeneralAntilles | Luria, how do you carry it? |
| 02:40.28 | GeneralAntilles | My pockets are a little full these days. |
| 02:40.29 | Luria | depends |
| 02:40.31 | verto | back |
| 02:40.37 | verto | had to get my N from the other room |
| 02:40.53 | Luria | slim pocket cargo pants hold everything |
| 02:40.55 | edt | Luria do you also use a bt mouse? |
| 02:41.00 | Luria | edt : no |
| 02:41.32 | GeneralAntilles | PowerVR drivers + mouse support + Quake II = win |
| 02:41.33 | verto | Why use a mouse? |
| 02:41.37 | verto | if you have a keyboard |
| 02:41.42 | verto | lol |
| 02:42.06 | GeneralAntilles | I can't wait for the N900 |
| 02:42.08 | verto | whats the video card memory on the N800? |
| 02:42.13 | Luria | alternatively, i use a pack from civilian labs which hold n800, kybd, n800 charger, solar bt gps |
| 02:42.15 | verto | I friend in Germany was tellin me about that |
| 02:42.19 | verto | He said it was amazing |
| 02:43.01 | Luria | the n900? from engadget? was that real? |
| 02:43.10 | verto | Ya |
| 02:43.14 | Luria | it looked like a mockup at best |
| 02:43.15 | GeneralAntilles | No, it wasn't |
| 02:43.19 | GeneralAntilles | Was a cellphone of some sort |
| 02:43.21 | GeneralAntilles | No top buttons |
| 02:43.27 | GeneralAntilles | Screen was 4:3 |
| 02:43.32 | verto | idk where he got it, but he said he played with one for a bit |
| 02:43.41 | verto | can I ssh from wireles? |
| 02:43.47 | verto | or do I need to connect it? |
| 02:44.47 | Luria | GeneralAntilles: |
| 02:44.49 | Luria | http://www.tadgear.com/x-treme%20gear/gear%20organizers%20main/civilian.htm |
| 02:44.57 | edt | qstarz btq818 as a gps here |
| 02:44.58 | Luria | im using the escape rg model |
| 02:45.00 | edt | works great |
| 02:45.11 | edt | with maemomapper |
| 02:45.15 | GeneralAntilles | i-blue 737 |
| 02:45.16 | Luria | im using the iblue 757 solar |
| 02:45.23 | GeneralAntilles | I was 5hz support out of MM |
| 02:45.37 | Luria | yeah i have to do the 5mhz hack |
| 02:46.33 | Luria | GeneralAntilles, i meant the covert rg escape |
| 02:47.24 | Luria | you should look at the civilianlab.com site to get an idea |
| 02:47.35 | Luria | they are very flexible |
| 02:47.46 | GeneralAntilles | Sweet |
| 02:47.47 | Luria | but i still need a leather case for the n800 |
| 02:47.49 | GeneralAntilles | That thing looks awesome |
| 02:47.54 | edt | verto wireless or bt |
| 02:48.06 | GeneralAntilles | The Intech DS case that was on ITT looked very interesting |
| 02:48.12 | GeneralAntilles | Couldn't find it at Best Buy, though. |
| 02:48.14 | edt | what does the 5hz hack do? |
| 02:48.29 | Luria | ive seen it at j&r, but its a slip case, iirc |
| 02:48.57 | Luria | edt: polls the gps signal at 5hz instead of the common once per second |
| 02:49.24 | edt | I am using the silcon case from boxware along with a gps case which holds gps, n800, cables but not the charger (yet) |
| 02:49.26 | GeneralAntilles | I like the current case for my usage |
| 02:49.31 | verto | Does anyone have a link to something to get me started on setting up gps on my 800? |
| 02:49.37 | GeneralAntilles | It's just a little too flexible for my pocket and a little too loose to carry around. |
| 02:49.51 | verto | I heard of some things to get free gps on these |
| 02:49.51 | edt | where is the mod? and does this eat more power? |
| 02:49.54 | GeneralAntilles | Flash the firmware first |
| 02:50.03 | GeneralAntilles | don't waste your time getting it setup, you'll lose it all with the flash. |
| 02:50.12 | Luria | http://mg.pov.lt/770/reflash-n800.html |
| 02:50.13 | verto | Im fully updated atm |
| 02:50.19 | GeneralAntilles | OK then |
| 02:50.25 | GeneralAntilles | Install some repositories |
| 02:50.32 | verto | I just got it yesterday actually |
| 02:50.36 | verto | and ran the updater first thing |
| 02:50.41 | Luria | no |
| 02:50.45 | Luria | red pill |
| 02:50.48 | Luria | ssh |
| 02:50.52 | Luria | lock down root |
| 02:50.57 | Luria | then repositories |
| 02:51.23 | GeneralAntilles | I'm looking into getting an otterbox for the GPS/N800 |
| 02:51.26 | verto | so I can ssh it from my wireless right? |
| 02:51.33 | GeneralAntilles | I go canoeing in really f'ed up places a lot |
| 02:51.38 | GeneralAntilles | Google sat imagery REALLY helps |
| 02:51.45 | Luria | you can ssh from the n800 to the n800 :-) |
| 02:51.53 | verto | wow |
| 02:51.56 | GeneralAntilles | Just have one of those waterproof boating ziplocks right now. |
| 02:51.59 | verto | how do I get terminal running? |
| 02:52.01 | Luria | root@localhost is my lazy sudo |
| 02:52.16 | GeneralAntilles | Luria: haha |
| 02:52.26 | Luria | verto, read the page i posted: http://mg.pov.lt/770/reflash-n800.html |
| 02:52.36 | Luria | it has links to debs |
| 02:52.45 | verto | ok |
| 02:52.46 | verto | hmm |
| 02:52.52 | verto | do I NEED linux? |
| 02:52.55 | Luria | read through it first |
| 02:53.00 | verto | I have mac and several windows |
| 02:53.03 | Luria | we all need linux |
| 02:53.09 | verto | I nuked my linux last week |
| 02:53.13 | verto | ya |
| 02:53.17 | GeneralAntilles | Get the 770 flasher for OS X from google |
| 02:53.18 | verto | but for this lol |
| 02:53.22 | Luria | seriously, no |
| 02:53.34 | verto | that will work with my N800? |
| 02:53.37 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
| 02:53.38 | Luria | you will want a vnc client and an ssh client |
| 02:53.40 | GeneralAntilles | I've used it twice so far. |
| 02:54.00 | Luria | for working on your IT from your desktop |
| 02:54.00 | GeneralAntilles | Well, 3x for when I messed got into a reboot-loop |
| 02:54.10 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.bleb.org/software/770/770Flasher-2.0.dmg |
| 02:54.12 | verto | I can ssh from terminal on my OSx |
| 02:54.17 | verto | will that do? |
| 02:54.22 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
| 02:54.24 | Luria | why not? |
| 02:54.25 | verto | and it already has vnc |
| 02:54.28 | verto | kk |
| 02:54.33 | verto | I dont like GUI so much lol |
| 02:54.37 | Luria | ssh iss ssh, unless it's ossh |
| 02:54.42 | verto | lol |
| 02:54.49 | verto | thats a shirt right there |
| 02:55.04 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 02:55.12 | Luria | you may find the vnc to be more useful than you think |
| 02:55.39 | Luria | ive run vnc servers on both the n800 and sl-5600 |
| 02:56.17 | GeneralAntilles | I run all the ITs under VNC on one of my secondary displays as a demo. |
| 02:56.19 | GeneralAntilles | Pretty funny. |
| 02:56.28 | Luria | and even if you prefer cli, there are certain things you may have to do with the gui |
| 02:56.38 | GeneralAntilles | busybox is weak by default |
| 02:56.47 | GeneralAntilles | I'm surprised that Nokia didn't include so much |
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| 02:56.51 | Luria | GeneralAntilles, i managed a hall of mirrors with my window desktop |
| 02:56.54 | vertoo | damn this laptop. Acer is retarded, just an fyi. Who puts the wireless button pointing OUTWARD to your stomach where it will ALWAYS hit. |
| 02:57.03 | vertoo | Last message I got was at 20:55:04 |
| 02:57.09 | vertoo | MST |
| 02:57.16 | Luria | i like rdesktop on the n800 |
| 02:57.29 | vertoo | so the vnc GUI is actually useful? |
| 02:57.30 | Luria | thanks god for the 800 px wide screen |
| 02:57.45 | vertoo | its not just like, heres the login terminal, and heres like 4 worthless options? |
| 02:57.52 | edt | whats rdesktop give you? |
| 02:58.16 | Luria | vertoo, vncing into the n800 is useful for working on it from a real computer |
| 02:58.25 | vertoo | that works |
| 02:58.47 | Luria | vnc or rdesktop out is nice for fixing something on a home machine when away from home |
| 02:58.50 | vertoo | anyone know of a tts/stt app for the 800? |
| 02:59.00 | edt | synergy also lets that work - if you enable the mouse cursor |
| 02:59.17 | Luria | i set up a vlc transcode to mp3 of a wma stream while away from home |
| 02:59.26 | GeneralAntilles | Synergy |
| 02:59.27 | GeneralAntilles | Damn |
| 02:59.30 | GeneralAntilles | How do you set that up? |
| 02:59.45 | Luria | stupid osso player cant handle asf streams with two playlist items |
| 02:59.46 | edt | use the quicksynergy on garage |
| 03:00.11 | Luria | so i restreamed the wma stream from home |
| 03:00.23 | edt | setup a config file on you pc and away you do |
| 03:00.34 | vertoo | bbl |
| 03:00.34 | Luria | transcoded to mp3. lost quality, but it worked :-/ |
| 03:01.24 | Luria | edt: i like rdesktop to windows because it resizes the windows desktop to to 480x800 |
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| 03:01.54 | Luria | vnc leaves the screen as is so there is a lot of panning |
| 03:02.42 | Luria | but that too can be an advantage - sometime the dialog boxes are too small to read/use at 480x800 |
| 03:02.47 | vertoo | if you wanna swap media files from one format to another theres a very easy way without a stream and no qual loss |
| 03:02.58 | vertoo | as long as they aren't protected |
| 03:03.06 | vertoo | Just dl iTunes |
| 03:03.17 | vertoo | and set the default type to mp3 |
| 03:03.20 | vertoo | add all the files |
| 03:03.22 | Luria | yeah, not going to happen |
| 03:03.24 | vertoo | select them, right click |
| 03:03.28 | Luria | i hate itunes |
| 03:03.31 | vertoo | and you have mp3 |
| 03:03.34 | vertoo | So do I |
| 03:03.41 | vertoo | But I love a free file converter |
| 03:03.50 | Luria | will that work on streams? |
| 03:04.03 | vertoo | Oh, your streaming like internet radio? |
| 03:04.06 | vertoo | Then vlc is your bet |
| 03:04.16 | vertoo | I thought you had like wma files you wanted converted |
| 03:04.18 | Luria | uhhh.. thats what i did |
| 03:04.20 | Luria | no no |
| 03:04.30 | Luria | i wanted to listen to a wma stream |
| 03:04.40 | Luria | which doesnt quite work with osso |
| 03:04.43 | vertoo | Ya, I was kinda wondering why you used wma to begin with |
| 03:04.44 | vertoo | ya |
| 03:04.48 | vertoo | def. not |
| 03:05.19 | Luria | well, it does work - as long as there is only one stream in the playlist |
| 03:05.46 | Luria | so, i would get the 14 second station id, but it wouldnt kick over to the actual radio |
| 03:06.16 | Luria | openvpn+rdesktop, vlc transcode, restream, and i was in business |
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| 03:06.49 | Luria | of course if any of the media players were good on the n800... |
| 03:07.40 | edt | nokia should talk the the guys who setup mmplayer for the palm. They have codexs for wma and others for arm... |
| 03:08.05 | vertoo | Hey, does anyone know of a good calendar prog for the 800? |
| 03:08.17 | vertoo | Its so stupid that theres not a built in |
| 03:08.29 | Luria | you got me. i wonder how many people PIM on the n800 |
| 03:08.51 | vertoo | PIM? |
| 03:09.08 | Luria | personal information manager |
| 03:09.11 | vertoo | Oh |
| 03:09.12 | vertoo | lol |
| 03:09.27 | Luria | phonebook, cal, etc. |
| 03:09.33 | vertoo | I would personally |
| 03:09.40 | vertoo | It would be really nice for school |
| 03:09.47 | Luria | i dunno. i hate text entry on the n800 |
| 03:09.48 | vertoo | cut down on the things I need to carry around |
| 03:10.04 | vertoo | Ya, I need to either find, or code a tts/stt prog for it |
| 03:10.06 | Luria | its very rare that i go without the bt kybd |
| 03:10.16 | vertoo | How much was that? |
| 03:10.20 | vertoo | I think ima get one |
| 03:10.23 | edt | pim here, synced my old palm to kdepim and then to gpe using opensync |
| 03:10.29 | vertoo | e-mail on here is a pain in the ass |
| 03:10.34 | Luria | i wanted one then and there, so 100 |
| 03:10.42 | Luria | but the same model is 80 online |
| 03:10.49 | Luria | USD for prices |
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| 03:11.10 | vertoo | not bad |
| 03:11.15 | vertoo | Ya, im USD |
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| 03:11.36 | Luria | i assumed, but you cant assume :-) |
| 03:11.46 | edt | CAD here |
| 03:11.57 | Luria | see :-) |
| 03:12.19 | vertoo | yup |
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| 03:12.25 | vertoo | Hmm |
| 03:12.45 | vertoo | I think ima just go ahead and throw linux on dual boot with my laptop before I try anything with this 800 |
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| 03:13.03 | Luria | why dont you use the vm |
| 03:13.05 | vertoo | Im not comftorable doing things like that with an OS that crashes so often whenever you do something it doesnt like |
| 03:13.32 | vertoo | vm? |
| 03:13.39 | Luria | vmplayer is fairly stable, if a bit resource hungry |
| 03:13.55 | vertoo | I mean for the reflash of my n800 |
| 03:14.01 | Luria | there is a virtual machine development image |
| 03:14.10 | vertoo | Im going to drop linux on one for the tools |
| 03:14.18 | Luria | save you from dual booting |
| 03:14.22 | vertoo | Oh |
| 03:14.23 | vertoo | umm |
| 03:14.24 | vertoo | well |
| 03:14.32 | vertoo | Cause I want my linux back too |
| 03:14.40 | vertoo | I had a desktop devoted to linux |
| 03:14.44 | vertoo | and that kinda.... fried |
| 03:14.46 | Luria | ok, different story then |
| 03:14.50 | vertoo | my fault entirely lol |
| 03:14.51 | vertoo | ya |
| 03:14.58 | vertoo | This laptop I use for school |
| 03:15.09 | vertoo | so not a big deal to hit 1 more key when I turn it on |
| 03:15.10 | Luria | you could also use the vm image to install on the machine iirc |
| 03:15.27 | Luria | its ubuntu based, if thats your flavor |
| 03:15.33 | vertoo | debian |
| 03:15.40 | vertoo | so nope |
| 03:16.07 | Luria | http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/702 |
| 03:16.11 | vertoo | Wait |
| 03:16.15 | Luria | just so you know |
| 03:16.28 | vertoo | Luria, have you done your walkthrough for reflash using a mac? |
| 03:16.44 | vertoo | I think that was you that gave me the link |
| 03:16.48 | vertoo | http://mg.pov.lt/770/reflash-n800.html |
| 03:16.49 | Luria | i dont use a mac, and the link wasnt mine |
| 03:17.06 | vertoo | oh |
| 03:17.10 | vertoo | who sent that link? |
| 03:17.22 | Luria | i mean, i sent it, but didnt write |
| 03:17.24 | Luria | write it |
| 03:17.40 | vertoo | oh, ok |
| 03:17.49 | Luria | frankly, i just use it for the post flash links |
| 03:18.25 | Luria | i actually made sure to bookmark it, cause the bookmarks are restored after you restore post flash |
| 03:18.26 | vertoo | Ya |
| 03:18.35 | Luria | oh |
| 03:18.44 | Luria | one thing you must know |
| 03:18.54 | vertoo | I think I will wait a few weeks, cause I still have the default memory card for it |
| 03:18.55 | Luria | if you use privoxy |
| 03:19.01 | vertoo | I want to get my 2x 1g cards |
| 03:19.13 | vertoo | privoxy? |
| 03:19.25 | Luria | local ad stripping proxy? |
| 03:19.38 | Luria | oss, runs on everything |
| 03:20.15 | Luria | if you use *any* proxy, you must know about this bug in the package manager |
| 03:20.25 | vertoo | ok |
| 03:21.49 | Luria | if you do a restore, the proxy settings for your internet connection will return |
| 03:22.11 | Luria | even if you manually clear them from the connection settings after |
| 03:22.23 | GeneralAntilles | Any way to assign a global proxy setting? |
| 03:22.39 | Luria | the package manager will still try to connect through the previous proxy settings |
| 03:23.22 | Luria | which is a problem, because, then you cant use the package manager to install anything remote - including privoxy |
| 03:23.29 | vertoo | weak |
| 03:23.35 | Luria | so i keep a local copy |
| 03:23.37 | vertoo | oh ya, I noticed the default app manager sucks |
| 03:23.40 | vertoo | whats up with that? |
| 03:23.46 | vertoo | it has like 10 apps |
| 03:23.47 | Luria | you have no idea |
| 03:23.50 | vertoo | lol |
| 03:24.02 | vertoo | I was all, wheres all my linuxey goodness? |
| 03:24.30 | Luria | for something i use for like 4 days after a reflash, its my #1 or 2 usability problem |
| 03:24.53 | Luria | i actually dled skype and depedancies to a dir |
| 03:25.04 | GeneralAntilles | Flashless upgrades would be a godsend |
| 03:25.10 | GeneralAntilles | Takes me a week to get back to where I was |
| 03:25.14 | GeneralAntilles | and the settings are never all the same. |
| 03:25.17 | Luria | ran dpkg -i * and let it figure it out |
| 03:25.42 | vertoo | They prob dont want ppl hacking it |
| 03:25.44 | vertoo | lol |
| 03:25.49 | vertoo | thus the flashes |
| 03:25.54 | Luria | damn you just reminded me - i never reinstalled eboard |
| 03:26.02 | Luria | sure they want people hacking it |
| 03:26.13 | vertoo | Or at least they should expect it |
| 03:26.17 | vertoo | Linux lol |
| 03:26.18 | Luria | the sdhc patch was hackers' work |
| 03:26.30 | vertoo | I see |
| 03:27.23 | Luria | ah. dl deb, wait 5 minutes for package manager to start script |
| 03:27.31 | Luria | if it starts. sigh. |
| 03:28.19 | GeneralAntilles | How does Nokia manage to mess up their SDHC patch when the community had a perfectly good one up and running? |
| 03:28.25 | vertoo | lol |
| 03:28.36 | GeneralAntilles | I'd really like to see more OS-level development shunted towards the people in the community. |
| 03:28.41 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia just can't seem to get things right. |
| 03:29.24 | vertoo | Ok, so is there much chance I will brick my n800 during my flash? |
| 03:29.44 | vertoo | Or is it guaranteed the the flash program will fix my dumb mistakes? |
| 03:31.18 | GeneralAntilles | Bricking is pretty uncommon |
| 03:31.27 | GeneralAntilles | Just don't interrupt it. ;) |
| 03:31.28 | Luria | from flashing, yeah. esp on the n800 |
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| 03:32.14 | Luria | and have the battery well charged |
| 03:32.50 | vertoo | Does it take long? |
| 03:33.00 | vertoo | Ive got est 1hr remaining |
| 03:33.03 | Luria | no, but dont risk it |
| 03:33.22 | Luria | depends if you have already dled the rom |
| 03:33.34 | vertoo | I'll charge it |
| 03:33.37 | vertoo | lol |
| 03:34.04 | Luria | otherwise the process starts and you have to wait for the 80mb download to finish |
| 03:34.13 | GeneralAntilles | It's about a 30 second flash |
| 03:34.32 | Luria | it took 30 minutes for me - their cap not mine |
| 03:34.47 | Luria | once you have the image, its 10 seconds |
| 03:34.57 | Luria | for subsequent flashes |
| 03:35.03 | vertoo | where can I dl the image? |
| 03:35.22 | Luria | if you are running windows, just use the auto installer |
| 03:35.23 | vertoo | http://maemo.org/downloads/nokia_N800 |
| 03:35.42 | vertoo | I have windows and mac atm |
| 03:35.45 | vertoo | not too familiar with mac |
| 03:35.58 | vertoo | so I will go ahead and do it with windows |
| 03:36.23 | Luria | good plan |
| 03:39.53 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
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| 03:46.52 | vertoo | lol |
| 03:47.08 | vertoo | I took the "Linux Inside" sticker off my linux machine and threw it onto my 800 |
| 03:47.12 | vertoo | it fits perfect |
| 03:47.27 | vertoo | its like those windows or intel stickers that come on computers now |
| 03:51.24 | eugene | vertoo: i need to find my debian stickers instead :) |
| 03:51.53 | Luria | flashing is headache enough, why make it worse |
| 03:51.54 | Luria | i mean, headache if you already have installed apps |
| 03:51.54 | Luria | otherwise, meh |
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| 03:52.14 | eugene | Luria: it's not that bad :) |
| 03:52.26 | Luria | its a pain |
| 03:53.26 | Luria | i mean i understand why you can use keypresses to jump down a list |
| 03:53.35 | Luria | though that should work |
| 03:53.44 | Luria | but wraparound is handy |
| 03:54.13 | vertoo | I dont really have more then like 3 apps installed |
| 03:54.24 | vertoo | all of which I am willing to abandon and re-install later |
| 03:54.29 | vertoo | so Im not even worried about a backup |
| 03:54.35 | vertoo | yay for only having it 1 day now haha |
| 03:54.51 | vertoo | thats annoying |
| 03:54.54 | GeneralAntilles | I want click-scrolls-to-here on scrollbars. |
| 03:54.59 | vertoo | the battery meter wont report how much there is if it is in charge |
| 03:55.27 | Luria | yeah, ive been trying to figure what i can cat to get a voltage reading |
| 03:55.51 | vertoo | ok, the OS image I want is the latest right? |
| 03:55.56 | vertoo | its not a back flash? |
| 03:58.36 | Luria | vertoo, the latest, yes |
| 03:59.25 | vertoo | sweet, its already almost done |
| 03:59.28 | vertoo | that took like 5min |
| 04:00.45 | vertoo | Luria, can I flash it to this OS and do all the stuff I need to using Windows? |
| 04:04.16 | Luria | yes |
| 04:04.23 | Luria | you may want putty |
| 04:04.57 | Luria | but after the flashing, you dont *need* anything beyond the 800 itself |
| 04:05.59 | vertoo | putty? |
| 04:06.23 | Luria | google is your friend |
| 04:06.32 | Luria | ssh program for windows |
| 04:06.32 | vertoo | gotcha |
| 04:06.49 | Luria | you should also find winscp |
| 04:06.56 | vertoo | sorry if I come off kinda annoying for asking such noob questions |
| 04:07.00 | Luria | nah |
| 04:07.01 | vertoo | I am a noob to this after all |
| 04:07.17 | Luria | np |
| 04:07.23 | pupnik_ | putty = win |
| 04:21.03 | vertoo | its doin a connection timeout over the wireless |
| 04:21.23 | vertoo | what should I be doin different? |
| 04:21.32 | vertoo | Luria: |
| 04:21.51 | Luria | hmm |
| 04:22.21 | Luria | first thing - are other devices working over wireless? |
| 04:23.53 | vertoo | Yes |
| 04:23.57 | vertoo | my laptop which im on |
| 04:24.18 | vertoo | vnc viewer can connect to that also, did this fun lil infinite loop thing |
| 04:24.19 | Luria | first thing - are other devices working over wireless? |
| 04:24.23 | Luria | oops |
| 04:24.26 | vertoo | Yes lol |
| 04:24.32 | Luria | sorry |
| 04:24.37 | vertoo | np |
| 04:24.53 | Luria | you cant connect at all to your ap? |
| 04:25.19 | vertoo | to my nokia? no |
| 04:25.36 | Luria | thats... odd |
| 04:25.44 | vertoo | should it be on usb? |
| 04:25.50 | vertoo | im doing it over wireless |
| 04:25.54 | Luria | one minute |
| 04:25.59 | vertoo | ssh to its ip of 192.168.0.116 |
| 04:26.14 | vertoo | I ran the vnc viewer to that ip and it timed out |
| 04:26.14 | Luria | ah ah ah |
| 04:26.30 | vertoo | but the viewer hit my laptop at its 192 address |
| 04:26.40 | vertoo | with server running on laptop |
| 04:26.56 | Luria | ok, one sec |
| 04:27.22 | Luria | you want to use vnc client on nokia, vnc server on windows |
| 04:27.25 | Luria | yes? |
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| 04:28.21 | vertoo | umm, sure |
| 04:28.28 | vertoo | never used vnc so im just guessing |
| 04:28.32 | vertoo | you told me to get it lol |
| 04:28.45 | vertoo | I want to ssh from windows to nokia |
| 04:29.00 | vertoo | lets keep it simple at that, once i get ssh working I can figure out what vnc accomplishes |
| 04:29.05 | Luria | ok, that has nothing (specific)p to do with vnc |
| 04:29.11 | Luria | heres what you do |
| 04:29.34 | vertoo | Putty installed and waiting |
| 04:29.57 | Luria | first, install openssh following that link on that page i sent you |
| 04:30.08 | vertoo | on pc or nokia? |
| 04:30.17 | Luria | on nokia |
| 04:31.41 | Luria | you know what im talking about? |
| 04:31.55 | vertoo | im on the openssh.com page |
| 04:32.13 | vertoo | looking for an IT 07 version, or should I just install a generic linux version? |
| 04:32.21 | Luria | ok, stop |
| 04:32.27 | Luria | listen... |
| 04:32.27 | vertoo | *stopped* |
| 04:32.37 | Luria | http://mg.pov.lt/770/reflash-n800.html |
| 04:32.44 | vertoo | kk |
| 04:32.46 | Luria | go there on you nokia and you pc |
| 04:32.49 | Luria | your pc |
| 04:33.10 | vertoo | kk |
| 04:33.17 | Luria | so we are dealing with a just flashed n800, yes? |
| 04:34.05 | Luria | vertoo? |
| 04:34.06 | _Monkey | i think vertoo is a noob to this after all |
| 04:34.09 | vertoo | Ya, I flashed it to upgrade it using the nokia tools provided on the site yesterday |
| 04:34.29 | vertoo | Since then I have installed like 3 apps that idc about |
| 04:34.35 | vertoo | data loss is ok |
| 04:34.37 | Luria | _Monkey, ill get him through this :-) |
| 04:34.38 | _Monkey | Luria: sorry... |
| 04:34.51 | Luria | ok, vertoo |
| 04:35.00 | Luria | here's what we're going to do |
| 04:35.01 | vertoo | ok, im on the site |
| 04:35.06 | vertoo | but before we go further |
| 04:35.26 | vertoo | is there like a minimum memory size I should have available on my 800? |
| 04:35.36 | Luria | middle of the page - restoring stuff |
| 04:35.49 | Luria | vertoo, you dont need to worry at the moment |
| 04:35.52 | vertoo | kk |
| 04:36.00 | vertoo | k |
| 04:36.24 | Luria | so, i want you to skip to the middle of the page and read that section to get an idea of what we are going to be doing |
| 04:36.24 | vertoo | ok, im installing |
| 04:36.39 | vertoo | the open ssh thing |
| 04:36.42 | vertoo | already did redpill |
| 04:36.45 | Luria | ok |
| 04:36.48 | Luria | good |
| 04:36.57 | Luria | i was afraid you were skipping steps |
| 04:36.59 | vertoo | I laughed when I saw that |
| 04:37.02 | vertoo | lol |
| 04:37.19 | vertoo | no, im working on becomming an IT |
| 04:37.31 | vertoo | redundancy and going through each tedious step is totally ok with me |
| 04:37.34 | Luria | you dont need to disable redpill |
| 04:37.39 | Luria | thats up to you |
| 04:37.40 | vertoo | I figured |
| 04:37.45 | vertoo | I will keep it up |
| 04:37.52 | vertoo | doesn't seem bad since I still get a prompt |
| 04:37.56 | Luria | you will see more packages |
| 04:37.58 | vertoo | ok, ssh installed |
| 04:38.14 | Luria | but it will slow down the app manager |
| 04:38.16 | Luria | great |
| 04:38.19 | Luria | next |
| 04:38.27 | Luria | get xterm for your nokia |
| 04:38.57 | Luria | first link in step 17 |
| 04:39.01 | vertoo | got it |
| 04:39.11 | vertoo | installed |
| 04:39.16 | Luria | great |
| 04:39.19 | Luria | run xterm |
| 04:39.28 | Luria | and run |
| 04:39.41 | Luria | ssh root@localhost |
| 04:39.51 | Luria | l/p root/rootme |
| 04:40.50 | Luria | you ok? |
| 04:40.52 | vertoo | ya |
| 04:40.54 | vertoo | ok, im in |
| 04:41.08 | Luria | good, now passwd to change |
| 04:41.25 | Luria | dont disable root just yet |
| 04:41.49 | vertoo | k |
| 04:41.52 | Luria | changed the root passwd? |
| 04:41.54 | Luria | good |
| 04:41.55 | vertoo | ya |
| 04:42.07 | Luria | ok, now ifconfig to find out your ip |
| 04:42.23 | vertoo | already know it |
| 04:42.41 | Luria | well, just confirm your nokia knows it :-) |
| 04:42.53 | Luria | after that |
| 04:43.01 | vertoo | lol |
| 04:43.11 | Luria | on your laptop, run putty and connect |
| 04:43.15 | Luria | youre done |
| 04:43.38 | vertoo | hmm |
| 04:43.42 | vertoo | when I ran ifconfig |
| 04:43.55 | vertoo | the output reads a different ip |
| 04:44.01 | Luria | see :-) |
| 04:44.12 | vertoo | I already configured my router to set my nokia to a static ip @ 192.168.0.116 |
| 04:44.22 | vertoo | but its saying its located at 192.168.0.100 |
| 04:44.27 | vertoo | which is my routers location |
| 04:44.36 | Luria | uh oh |
| 04:44.37 | vertoo | unless inet isn't its loca |
| 04:44.51 | Luria | why is your router at .100? |
| 04:45.11 | vertoo | err |
| 04:45.13 | Luria | and not .1 like everyone else |
| 04:45.15 | vertoo | router is at .1 |
| 04:45.16 | vertoo | lol |
| 04:45.38 | vertoo | I set static values starting at 110 for all my computers to make detecting intrusions easier |
| 04:45.49 | vertoo | and it isn't matching its static |
| 04:45.51 | Luria | ok, so your router is at .1, the nokia at .100? |
| 04:45.57 | vertoo | thats what it says |
| 04:46.02 | vertoo | but the router reports differently |
| 04:46.07 | vertoo | looking at the log now |
| 04:46.07 | Luria | thats fine, but your router should be at the start of the block |
| 04:46.11 | vertoo | mac address matches |
| 04:46.17 | vertoo | ya |
| 04:46.19 | vertoo | lol |
| 04:46.28 | Luria | ok, router problems later. back to the laptop |
| 04:46.39 | Luria | putty ssh to .100 |
| 04:46.56 | Luria | lets make sure that works |
| 04:47.26 | vertoo | weird |
| 04:47.28 | vertoo | it works fine |
| 04:47.42 | vertoo | I prob just need to renew the DHCP to set its static |
| 04:47.44 | vertoo | np there |
| 04:47.55 | vertoo | I connected via ssh now |
| 04:48.03 | Luria | see, youre done |
| 04:48.20 | vertoo | sweet |
| 04:48.38 | Luria | you can leave it like this, or do the sudoers approach in the link i sent you |
| 04:49.10 | Luria | i would recommend installing pretty much every package on that page |
| 04:49.41 | Luria | told ya we'd fix it |
| 04:50.01 | Luria | next, openvpn, then vnc |
| 04:50.25 | Luria | and then youll be in remote control of your machine |
| 04:50.29 | Luria | from anywhere |
| 04:50.42 | ericz | openvpn, ooh, i'd like to hear this |
| 04:50.54 | Luria | but if youve never dont openvpn, you MUST read tfm |
| 04:51.21 | Luria | it is the easiest vpn to set up, but it is not a beginner topic |
| 04:51.40 | Luria | esp if you want to do more than psk authentication |
| 04:52.24 | Luria | otoh, it is very handy, especially coupled with a home proxy for secure surfing on anyone's open wifi |
| 04:52.37 | ericz | i'd like to be able to do that :/ |
| 04:52.57 | Luria | it's not hard. in broad strokes: |
| 04:52.59 | ericz | are you talking a 770 or 800? or can you use a vpn with both? |
| 04:53.17 | Luria | i believe the openvpn deb runs on both |
| 04:53.26 | Luria | i use the n800 |
| 04:53.30 | Luria | so i cant say |
| 04:53.33 | ericz | ah |
| 04:54.28 | Luria | plus im talking about openvpn specifically; i have no experience with vpnc and very little with ipsec |
| 04:54.58 | Luria | but, to get up an running, in broad strokes - |
| 04:55.11 | Luria | install ovpn on home machine |
| 04:55.20 | Luria | port forward 1194 |
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| 04:55.33 | vertoo | k |
| 04:55.37 | Luria | generate PSK, copies on both devices |
| 04:55.40 | vertoo | h/o |
| 04:55.51 | Luria | write two config files |
| 04:55.55 | vertoo | i need to go run an errand |
| 04:55.58 | vertoo | i will |
| 04:56.00 | Luria | run open vpn |
| 04:56.07 | vertoo | be back in like 15min |
| 04:56.23 | vertoo | if your still here we can continue |
| 04:56.25 | Luria | that said, you must rtfm |
| 04:56.32 | ericz | i think openvpn is pretty easy to install on ubuntu, never really tried though and i don't know a whole lot about it |
| 04:56.41 | vertoo | else, cya later and thx for the help |
| 04:56.47 | Luria | i cant walk you through it - not because its hard |
| 04:57.03 | Luria | but because there are security decisions you have to make |
| 04:57.12 | Luria | and you need to make an informed decision |
| 04:57.55 | ericz | where could i find the 770 openvpn client? |
| 04:57.56 | CountDown | Ahoy. Last year I got pyusb running on my 770. I now have an N800 and am hoping to again get pyusb working. Problem is, I don't remember how I did it the first time. I don't remember having to compile against the python dev libraries and libusb, but I might be wrong. Anyone have it working? |
| 04:58.29 | Luria | sorry, not using it here |
| 04:59.21 | Luria | incidentally, id like to pose a question to the channel: is there a gestures library (pref. python) for the n800? |
| 04:59.52 | procto | today was a momentous occasion: I ordered an n800 |
| 05:00.03 | eugene | procto: happy for you! |
| 05:00.07 | procto | :> |
| 05:00.14 | Luria | procto: now come the accessories |
| 05:00.23 | Luria | }:-) |
| 05:00.33 | eugene | Luria: i actually ordered my accessories before i order an n800 :P |
| 05:00.40 | Luria | what did you get? |
| 05:00.55 | eugene | a leather casing from hong kong, a screen protector from uk |
| 05:01.11 | procto | heh |
| 05:01.13 | eugene | still looking for a keyboard |
| 05:01.15 | Luria | both are important |
| 05:01.20 | procto | I ordered the stowaway bluetooth keyboard with it |
| 05:01.24 | eugene | yup. |
| 05:01.26 | Luria | but you need a kybd and gps :-) |
| 05:01.27 | procto | only 80-something on amazon right now |
| 05:01.35 | procto | also got screen protectors |
| 05:01.40 | procto | I'm going to get the gps soon |
| 05:01.49 | eugene | Luria: it's quite expensive... even n800 is not available in this part of the world. i have to import everything :) |
| 05:02.01 | procto | does anyone know if this: http://shop.brando.com.hk/prod_detail.php?prod_id=01384&dept_id=058&cat_id=303 |
| 05:02.04 | procto | fits an n800? |
| 05:02.05 | Luria | eugene, ah painful |
| 05:02.09 | procto | because if it does, that would be orgasmic |
| 05:02.47 | eugene | procto: i should go visit brando the next time i fly to hk |
| 05:02.56 | Luria | not only does it not fit |
| 05:03.11 | Luria | but according to posts on itt, it doesnt work |
| 05:03.30 | Luria | 2nd hand info tho |
| 05:03.33 | procto | with the n800 or in general? |
| 05:03.37 | Luria | n800 |
| 05:03.52 | Luria | itt=internet tablet talk |
| 05:04.04 | Luria | the nokia forum |
| 05:04.19 | Luria | i would love to be wrong |
| 05:04.35 | procto | I was already having day dreams of playing MAME with that thing |
| 05:04.46 | Luria | btw, to underscore the value of the bt keyboard- |
| 05:04.57 | Luria | im on my 800 at a cafe right now |
| 05:06.01 | eugene | hehe you bought a bt keyboard so that you can irc at a cafe? |
| 05:06.18 | Luria | i bought a bt kybd so i can use xterm |
| 05:06.21 | Luria | and email |
| 05:06.34 | Luria | and mostly not carry my notebook around anymore |
| 05:06.49 | Luria | irc is only a couple of days old for me |
| 05:07.07 | Luria | not since 1997 |
| 05:07.07 | eugene | mail is quite impossible for me. i use imap and my mailbox is about 2gb already... |
| 05:07.12 | Luria | or so |
| 05:07.26 | Luria | jesus. it really has been 10 years |
| 05:07.32 | Luria | ah, efnet |
| 05:07.38 | Luria | and server splits |
| 05:07.46 | Luria | and op wars |
| 05:07.52 | procto | Luria: I just found infoz on itt that it works at least with the 770 |
| 05:08.10 | Luria | ...er... now i remember why i stopped irc'ing |
| 05:08.14 | Luria | really? |
| 05:08.23 | Luria | link plz? |
| 05:08.32 | Luria | i was debating getting one |
| 05:08.36 | procto | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2666&highlight=bluetooth+gamepad |
| 05:08.41 | Luria | ta |
| 05:09.05 | procto | oh, another post about how that doesn't work very well on the n800 :> |
| 05:10.21 | Luria | ah, see :-/ |
| 05:10.35 | procto | but basically, the trick is in getting kbdd to work |
| 05:10.39 | procto | and then you just map it |
| 05:11.09 | Luria | yeah, like all bt devices |
| 05:11.26 | Luria | you may need to patch your kernel though |
| 05:11.48 | Luria | which i hate doing |
| 05:13.26 | procto | this has info on making it work on the n800: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4052&page=6&highlight=bluetooth+gamepad |
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| 05:23.12 | Luria | ha |
| 05:23.22 | Luria | there is an iphone convention going on outside |
| 05:23.52 | Luria | fuckers ruined the local edge network |
| 05:26.41 | ericz | Luria, what was that port for openvpn? |
| 05:27.12 | Luria | one sec |
| 05:28.35 | vertoo | back |
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| 05:28.43 | vertoo | Just thought I would let you know Luria |
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| 05:28.51 | vertoo | I love my nokia so much more now lol |
| 05:28.55 | vertoo | thx for all the help |
| 05:29.03 | Luria | youre welcome |
| 05:29.23 | vertoo | Next pay check I should get some accessories |
| 05:29.30 | vertoo | case and btkb being the first |
| 05:29.39 | vertoo | well, the extended warranty being the first lol |
| 05:31.41 | else58 | Is there a way to use the camera to stream video connection to a browser on another pc? |
| 05:32.08 | else58 | Can I use mplayer on the pc to get a stream from the n800? |
| 05:33.26 | Luria | ericz openvpn is 1194 iirc |
| 05:33.42 | ericz | Luria, k, thanks |
| 05:34.51 | vertoo | Hey Luria, im having problems with installing the "less (terminal app)" |
| 05:34.58 | vertoo | red pill mode still on |
| 05:35.03 | vertoo | it crashes the app manager |
| 05:36.11 | Luria | try getting it from the repository listing in the app manager |
| 05:36.25 | Luria | but frankly, ive never had that problem with the link |
| 05:37.12 | vertoo | Hmm |
| 05:37.16 | vertoo | lemme try again |
| 05:37.26 | vertoo | i noticed it has lag between prompts |
| 05:37.33 | vertoo | prob fetching from the repositories |
| 05:37.46 | vertoo | maybe clicking a bunch of .install files during lag did that |
| 05:37.54 | vertoo | works now |
| 05:38.09 | Luria | for those who asked |
| 05:38.11 | Luria | http://downloads.maemo.org/system/ |
| 05:38.25 | Luria | search on that page for open vpn |
| 05:38.31 | Luria | err openvpn |
| 05:39.13 | Luria | oops |
| 05:39.17 | Luria | no deb there |
| 05:39.19 | Luria | one sec |
| 05:39.24 | ericz | yeah, it just links to openvpn.net |
| 05:41.13 | vertoo | now that I got this all set up, got a good cal prog I can get on here? |
| 05:41.20 | vertoo | calendar |
| 05:41.47 | eugene | gpe-calendar |
| 05:42.10 | eugene | i haven't seen others. not the best but not too bad too |
| 05:42.32 | vertoo | It lets me add notes in list view? |
| 05:42.49 | vertoo | tis all I need out of a calendar |
| 05:43.33 | vertoo | where can I find that at? |
| 05:43.33 | _Monkey | that is a sign of good news |
| 05:44.00 | vertoo | _Monkey: What is? |
| 05:44.00 | _Monkey | bugger all, i dunno, vertoo |
| 05:44.39 | eugene | vertoo: it has a separate app called gpe-todo |
| 05:44.50 | eugene | vertoo: the calendar is just an app to add appointments, that's all. |
| 05:44.57 | eugene | it doesn't seem to work with gpe-todo.. |
| 05:46.16 | Luria | ok |
| 05:46.16 | Luria | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationCatalog2006 |
| 05:46.22 | Luria | there ya go |
| 05:46.35 | Luria | has good deb links to openvpn |
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| 05:47.23 | Luria | also recommend ctorrent for use in a pinch |
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| 05:47.56 | gorlov | hi |
| 05:48.18 | Luria | also xournal, which is one of my favorite apps |
| 05:48.27 | Luria | but you need the n800 patch |
| 05:49.20 | Luria | lesse... evince is much faster than the stock pdf reader |
| 05:50.56 | eugene | what's xournal |
| 05:50.59 | eugene | blogging tool? |
| 05:51.01 | vertoo | Hey, has anyone set up their n800 to accept a SIM card and act as a phone? |
| 05:51.35 | Luria | uhhh not possible |
| 05:51.47 | Luria | xournal is like an infinite notepad |
| 05:51.58 | Luria | it can also annotate pdf files |
| 05:52.12 | eugene | ohh |
| 05:52.27 | Luria | much better than the other sketch pads |
| 05:52.31 | eugene | guess it's better than maemopad+? i don't really like this one |
| 05:52.39 | eugene | not sure why ukmp dark fail on me |
| 05:52.42 | eugene | it crashes |
| 05:52.53 | Luria | want a new page? just click forward, it adds a new page to the notepad |
| 05:53.17 | Luria | but you need the n800 patch |
| 05:53.35 | eugene | hmm |
| 05:53.37 | eugene | for? |
| 05:53.38 | Luria | which you can find here |
| 05:53.40 | Luria | http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages |
| 05:53.45 | gorlov | what's the root default password for n800? |
| 05:53.54 | Luria | the xournal install is for the 770 |
| 05:54.02 | Luria | gorlov, root/rootme |
| 05:54.49 | eugene | gorlov: rootme |
| 05:54.55 | eugene | Luria: thanks mate |
| 05:55.01 | ericz | aw, Luria, all those debs for openvpn said incompatible on the 770 |
| 05:55.06 | gorlov | thank |
| 05:55.36 | Luria | ericz, i didnt know you were running on the n770 |
| 05:55.56 | Luria | there is lots of info on that |
| 05:56.03 | Luria | google n770 and openvpn |
| 05:57.24 | ericz | the official-ish maemo port page for openvpn seems to be down (http://www.rahkonen.org/openvpn.html) |
| 05:58.35 | Luria | there are other debs |
| 05:59.37 | Luria | look at the os2006 page |
| 05:59.47 | Luria | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationCatalog2006 |
| 06:00.06 | ericz | i tried those debs, all said incompatible |
| 06:00.13 | Luria | oh |
| 06:00.15 | Luria | sorry |
| 06:00.38 | Luria | youll have to get it from a 770 user here |
| 06:00.47 | Luria | or post on itt |
| 06:00.58 | Luria | or google mistral openvpn |
| 06:01.05 | Luria | maybe youll find a mirror |
| 06:05.00 | ericz | http://board.nokia770hacks.com/How_To/How_to_Install_OpenVPN_on_Nokia_770_OS2006 looks interesting |
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| 06:07.26 | Luria | ok, im off |
| 06:07.59 | Luria | night everyone |
| 06:08.19 | ericz | later Luria |
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| 06:19.19 | user_ | how do i change my name? |
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| 06:22.44 | `0660 | what's wrong with "user_"? :) |
| 06:23.24 | user_ | lotsa things |
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| 06:23.28 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:25.10 | vertoo | woo |
| 06:25.52 | vertoo | i love my n800 |
| 06:26.12 | vertoo | best $400 USD ever |
| 06:26.23 | GeneralAntilles | No kidding |
| 06:26.48 | GeneralAntilles | GPS, usable web, games, video, music, _and_ a shell? |
| 06:27.19 | eugene | GeneralAntilles: not to mention fm radio |
| 06:27.21 | vertoo | i need to make this my real phone so it can pwn the iphone to hell |
| 06:27.50 | GeneralAntilles | All you need is a simple 3g phone and a data plan |
| 06:27.52 | GeneralAntilles | Be perfect |
| 06:28.07 | vertoo | 3g?? |
| 06:28.47 | GeneralAntilles | HSDPA/EVDO |
| 06:28.52 | GeneralAntilles | Mobile broadband |
| 06:29.06 | GeneralAntilles | 50KB/sec-200KB/sec off your cellphone. |
| 06:29.08 | vertoo | oh |
| 06:30.07 | vertoo | but im saying, like put my sim into the memory thing and use this as my phone |
| 06:31.40 | vertoo | got a link to the gps thing i need to buy to get the mapper working? |
| 06:33.48 | GeneralAntilles | i-blue 757 or 737 |
| 06:33.50 | GeneralAntilles | amazon.com |
| 06:34.32 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.dretchstorm.com/system/files/downloads/backport/mac/tremulous.dmg |
| 06:34.53 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.amazon.com/i-Blue-757-Pro-Bluetooth-Logger/dp/B000NK8AFO/ref=pd_bbs_sr_3/102-3577594-3508115?ie=UTF8&s=miscellaneous&qid=1184481255&sr=8-3 |
| 06:40.46 | ericz | ugh, just because the 770 *sees* a wireless signal, doesn't mean i even have a shot at connecting to it :/ or i get "link-local" |
| 06:40.49 | gorlov | rootme not work :( |
| 06:42.43 | `0660 | then someone else has rooted you already :P |
| 06:42.52 | vertoo | lol |
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| 07:33.34 | gorlov | I am serious. There are still variants of the password for root? |
| 07:36.07 | suihkulokki | gorlov: there is no variants. where are you trying to enter the password? |
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| 07:37.24 | gorlov | for example sudo ping... |
| 07:37.54 | eugene | sudo ping <-- refers to user password |
| 07:38.08 | eugene | you need to assign a password for user user |
| 07:38.09 | jpizzle | hello fellow maemo folks, brand new to the community as I have just hopped on the nokia 770 bandwagon |
| 07:38.11 | eugene | sudo gainroot |
| 07:38.11 | _Monkey | i heard sudo gainroot was failing. Is there any other way to switch to root? |
| 07:38.13 | eugene | passwd user |
| 07:38.59 | eugene | gorlov: http://eugeneteo.livejournal.com/5922.html |
| 07:40.28 | suihkulokki | _Monkey: it fails if you don't have the device in R&D mode |
| 07:40.29 | _Monkey | suihkulokki: i'm not following you... |
| 07:40.42 | eugene | suihkulokki: is Monkey a bot? |
| 07:40.47 | suihkulokki | arghgghh bots |
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| 08:23.51 | CountDown | Anyone have pyusb running with maemo? |
| 08:24.04 | eugene | what's pyusb |
| 08:29.42 | pupnik | man, 320 mhz 2000x1500 22" Diamondtron monitors on sale for 60 euro |
| 08:31.47 | CountDown | eugene: pyusb is a python interface to libusb, which is a user space library for accessing USB devices. |
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| 10:49.27 | solmumaha | anyone know what happened to SoC ruby maemo bindings? looks like the project was cancelled :( |
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| 11:25.55 | alterego | I'm working on hildon bindings for Ruby right now. |
| 11:27.40 | solmumaha | oh, related to Soc? |
| 11:28.41 | alterego | No I just didn't want to wait. |
| 11:29.06 | Veggen | alterego: how's progress? |
| 11:29.59 | alterego | Figured they could use my progress but if they're not doing it, I guess it's all on me for the time being. |
| 11:30.46 | solmumaha | well it has disappeared from maemo projects, so i guess it's cancelled |
| 11:31.00 | solmumaha | so keep it up |
| 11:31.27 | alterego | I've literally just started. I'm templating the HildonProgram and HildonWindow API's at the moment. |
| 11:32.27 | alterego | I figure stick to the way ruby gnome has done things. |
| 11:37.45 | alterego | Now the interesting bit starts. :) I can't help it I still love C ^_^ |
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| 11:51.18 | solmumaha | anyone know if there are iptables-nat modules for latest firmware laying around somewhere? |
| 12:02.07 | gomiam | no idea solmumaha |
| 12:02.28 | gomiam | I'm still trying to find out whether iwconfig works or not on maemo :-) |
| 12:03.03 | solmumaha | old ones don't seem to work and i was thinking of using n800 as a router for my old g4, that has no wlan |
| 12:03.45 | alterego | It does on the N800. As does MAC assignments with ifconfig. |
| 12:06.55 | alterego | Anyone know if you can make the n800 backlight stay on whilst charging? |
| 12:09.56 | edt | alterego install acmonitor |
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| 12:10.18 | alterego | edt, cheers :) |
| 12:10.36 | edt | it allows you to have powersetting for charging and another set for battery |
| 12:12.10 | alterego | Sounds perfect thankyou. |
| 12:18.04 | solmumaha | yay, wife allowed me to order 770 |
| 12:19.04 | alterego | Not an N800? |
| 12:22.14 | solmumaha | i already have n800 |
| 12:22.49 | alterego | And you want a 770?! |
| 12:23.03 | solmumaha | it's so cheap ;) |
| 12:23.31 | alterego | My N800 was only £200 |
| 12:24.14 | solmumaha | well it's still a lot more than 130 e |
| 12:24.36 | alterego | I've only had it a couple of days. Best thing I've ever purchased :D |
| 12:26.09 | solmumaha | i love it too |
| 12:26.22 | solmumaha | everyone else thinks it's useless though :) |
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| 12:27.17 | alterego | Yeah they just don't get it X) |
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| 12:50.09 | Sonej | I lost my sound in Skype, cant here i calling or not even ppl talking. But they can hear me. Strange? |
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| 13:13.27 | pupnik | cheapest n800 in germany is 433 dollars, cheapest n770 is 330 dollars |
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| 13:14.51 | gomiam | Sonej: are you still around? |
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| 13:15.17 | gomiam | have you tried to record your voice with the recording app or the camera app? |
| 13:27.42 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 13:34.19 | pupnik | goedenmorgen |
| 13:37.22 | alterego | Are 'HILDON_TYPE_*' compatible with 'GTK_TYPE_*' ? |
| 13:38.00 | alterego | Oh, they're just macros to methods that return the g_object nice. :) |
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| 14:35.06 | zuh | alterego: (G)Type, not objects ;) |
| 14:35.17 | alterego | Yah yah |
| 14:35.28 | alterego | This is still pretty confusing. |
| 14:36.00 | alterego | I've decided the best thing to do is copy the ruby-gnome2 tree rename it ruby-maemo and add/remove the bits that need adding and removing. |
| 14:36.38 | alterego | As the Ruby-GNOME2 binding has a load of goodies premade :) |
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| 14:39.23 | zuh | I think that's pretty much the "standard" way to create a binding anyway (and the approach I used with my widgets) |
| 14:39.35 | zuh | And I didn't even know jack about Ruby! :) |
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| 14:39.54 | alterego | Well, I know ruby. But this is the first time I've done a binding this complicated. |
| 14:39.58 | zuh | I even had to ask for help with a "hello, world" level program to test them... |
| 14:40.31 | alterego | And I've never had to look at the ruby-gnome2 internals either. It's freaky. |
| 14:40.46 | alterego | Hardly any documentation for developers :( |
| 14:41.04 | zuh | hmm |
| 14:41.32 | alterego | Not for using the binding, but for hacking the binding. The documentation for using the binding is great. |
| 14:44.02 | zuh | I seem to remember there was some guides for creating the bindings too, but can't seem to locate it now... |
| 14:44.58 | zuh | Here we go, http://ruby-gnome2.sourceforge.jp/hiki.cgi?How+to+Implement+Ruby-GNOME2 |
| 14:45.07 | alterego | Yeah, I've got that. |
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| 14:45.21 | alterego | And I've found another relatively helpful document. |
| 14:45.24 | zuh | Granted, that doesn't really *explain* it |
| 14:45.37 | alterego | But nothing that documents the 'mkmf-gnome2' thingy .. |
| 14:47.35 | zuh | I guess I have just c&p:d blindly, I think I only did one widget anyway... |
| 14:47.52 | alterego | Heh |
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| 14:48.21 | alterego | It's just going to take a little more time than I thought it would. I don't mind. If I'm going to do it I'm going to do it properly :D |
| 14:51.33 | alterego | Maybe someone would like to help me ... :D |
| 14:52.57 | alterego | Seems like the majority of maemo projects are lone soilders. It's a shame really, kind of doesn't make the community feel that much like a community when you don't work together. |
| 14:54.45 | alterego | Well, stage one is complete ^_^ |
| 14:54.58 | alterego | Hopefully I'll have some good news for maemo-developers tonight. |
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| 15:03.15 | Sulis | oh! ok! what's the news?! |
| 15:06.08 | alterego | News? |
| 15:06.11 | pupnik | as a lone soldier you don't have to coordinate with anyone, or argue with anyone, or listen to anyone else's deadlines |
| 15:06.26 | alterego | Sure, but it also means it's all up to me :P |
| 15:06.42 | pupnik | you could wait until someone offers to help |
| 15:06.48 | alterego | Heh |
| 15:07.00 | alterego | Then I would have to wait for my ruby binding :) |
| 15:07.48 | pupnik | whatever you're doing, i applaud you for it |
| 15:08.00 | pupnik | i'm stuck and demotivated |
| 15:08.22 | alterego | What are you stuck with? |
| 15:08.46 | pupnik | on-screen button input on Ur-Quan Masters |
| 15:11.01 | pupnik | i'll get it done eventually |
| 15:16.41 | alterego | My N800 is basically just an internet radio and IM client at the moment ^_^ |
| 15:16.55 | alterego | Thought I've been using the browser for a reference manual to the Hildon API's. Very cool. |
| 15:17.17 | eugene | evince seems buggy. the default pdf reader works better. |
| 15:17.37 | alterego | Yeah, shame it doesn't support links though. |
| 15:17.47 | alterego | Not tried evine. |
| 15:17.50 | alterego | ~evince. |
| 15:17.51 | infobot | it has been said that evince is a document viewer for multiple document formats like pdf, postscript, and many others. The goal of evince is to replace the multiple document viewers that exist on the GNOME Desktop, like ggv, gpdf, and xpdf with a single simple application. See http://www.gnome.org/projects/evince/. |
| 15:18.02 | alterego | O_O |
| 15:18.05 | alterego | ~fish |
| 15:18.06 | infobot | well, fish is FISHFISHFISH! DO THE FISH DANCE! "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate, instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, why not read some docs, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered?, or ... |
| 15:18.15 | alterego | WTF? |
| 15:18.35 | alterego | I guess my misspelled substitutions will have to take a different format now ^_^ |
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| 15:50.43 | Jaffa | alterego: s/evine/evince/ would work better. infobot even understands them :) |
| 15:51.09 | alterego | Heh |
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| 15:56.25 | famousjs | hey |
| 16:18.45 | unique311 | famousjs, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5929&highlight=grand+central |
| 16:34.24 | pupnik | it might be a nice project to go back through #maemo logs and teach the bot more faq information |
| 16:34.54 | alterego | But you're not going to do it because you're not motivated enough ;P |
| 16:35.09 | alterego | I'm making real progress myself mind. Pretty happy now ^_^ |
| 16:35.17 | pupnik | good deal |
| 16:35.33 | pupnik | unique311: can you place calls to landline phones with gizmo / grand central? |
| 16:35.54 | unique311 | no |
| 16:35.59 | pupnik | i remember this free service that let you place calls up to a few minutes |
| 16:35.59 | unique311 | with gizmo yes... |
| 16:36.00 | famousjs | lol were you posting the log where i found that? |
| 16:36.02 | unique311 | paid service |
| 16:36.08 | pupnik | ok |
| 16:36.10 | unique311 | with grandcentral yes... |
| 16:36.12 | famousjs | yea |
| 16:36.14 | unique311 | forwarding |
| 16:36.41 | unique311 | so you would forward your grandcentral number to your cellphone or house number.. |
| 16:36.54 | unique311 | its a long story |
| 16:36.58 | unique311 | lol |
| 16:37.08 | famousjs | it's easier to just watch the video on the main webpage |
| 16:37.11 | famousjs | it explains all |
| 16:37.17 | unique311 | yes |
| 16:38.13 | pupnik | With Click2Call, your GrandCentral number will show as the Caller ID. During our Beta period these outbound calls are free, but will have a small per minute charge in the future. |
| 16:38.52 | unique311 | i doubt it.. |
| 16:38.59 | unique311 | google owns them now.. |
| 16:39.09 | famousjs | google owns everything |
| 16:39.10 | unique311 | the rules have to get updated... |
| 16:39.37 | unique311 | those beta rules where set in place from the 2 previous owners.. |
| 16:41.33 | procto | anyone here have Joost? |
| 16:41.40 | unique311 | i do |
| 16:41.42 | procto | when my n800 arrives sometime this week |
| 16:41.49 | procto | I'm going to figure out a way to re-stream Joost |
| 16:41.59 | procto | (I have it, too) |
| 16:42.02 | unique311 | not too sure about joost.. |
| 16:42.12 | procto | basically, screencast |
| 16:42.13 | famousjs | isnt there something comming out thats supposed to be better than joost? |
| 16:42.21 | unique311 | slow my notebook down when in use |
| 16:42.24 | famousjs | from microsoft or something |
| 16:42.27 | unique311 | resource hog |
| 16:42.29 | procto | there're many internet tv projects |
| 16:42.29 | famousjs | i read about something i cant remember the name tho |
| 16:42.38 | procto | unique311: yeah, because it's using your machine to stream to others, too |
| 16:42.46 | unique311 | i know |
| 16:42.56 | procto | I run it on my notebook, too :> |
| 16:43.13 | unique311 | i like receving when it comes to piracy... |
| 16:43.21 | unique311 | sharing i don't like too much.. |
| 16:43.53 | famousjs | yeah |
| 16:44.07 | famousjs | download: 30 gigs...upload: 1.5 gigs |
| 16:44.07 | famousjs | lol |
| 16:44.16 | unique311 | yes |
| 16:44.24 | famousjs | thats how i am too |
| 16:44.34 | unique311 | or use torrentflux and not have to worry about uploading your bandwidth |
| 16:44.45 | famousjs | i use azeurus |
| 16:44.52 | famousjs | just havnt used anything else heh |
| 16:45.05 | unique311 | gave up on home clients |
| 16:46.30 | famousjs | so is joost worth getting? |
| 16:46.38 | unique311 | not really |
| 16:46.49 | famousjs | even if you are on an OC3 connection? |
| 16:46.49 | famousjs | lol |
| 16:46.55 | unique311 | unless you have an amazing computer... |
| 16:47.01 | unique311 | well that too |
| 16:47.22 | unique311 | i have a descent broadband connection... |
| 16:47.32 | unique311 | and i was tapped.... |
| 16:47.44 | famousjs | do u need a good vid card for it? |
| 16:48.09 | unique311 | maybe procto can answer that one |
| 16:48.12 | unique311 | i have no idea |
| 16:48.36 | unique311 | saw that my computer had a bad reaction with it....took it off |
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| 16:49.00 | vertoo | Anyone on? |
| 16:49.04 | famousjs | yea |
| 16:50.41 | famousjs | dsl wouldnt be too great with joost i'm guessing |
| 16:50.50 | famousjs | i have dsl where i am now...but at college is the oc3 |
| 16:53.13 | vertoo | joost sucks |
| 16:53.20 | famousjs | ohh ok |
| 16:53.20 | famousjs | haha |
| 16:53.31 | vertoo | tv-links.co.uk |
| 16:53.40 | vertoo | much better |
| 16:53.59 | vertoo | right from the source itself |
| 16:54.06 | famousjs | cool |
| 16:55.22 | unique311 | vertoo very nice link |
| 16:55.27 | procto | famousjs: you need a decent one, since it uses opengl for the interface |
| 16:55.38 | procto | famousjs: mostly you need a fast connection and a good CPU |
| 16:56.05 | procto | I have a 10mbps cable connection |
| 16:56.09 | unique311 | biggest documentary listing i ever saw.. |
| 16:56.18 | procto | and a 1.4ghz penitum m CPU |
| 16:56.29 | famousjs | ohh ok |
| 16:56.32 | procto | and it plays smoothly |
| 16:56.37 | procto | I'm using wireless though |
| 16:56.38 | famousjs | i have the 3.2 pentium d |
| 16:56.50 | procto | so there's some latency |
| 16:56.55 | procto | and it's still smooth |
| 16:57.01 | procto | I'm watching Max Headroom right now |
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| 17:00.33 | procto | joost isn't optimal, but it's mostly limited by available content, like all these media systems |
| 17:03.09 | procto | it's really quite amusing to watch max headroom on joost :> |
| 17:03.17 | procto | cause they pretty much use blipverts themselves |
| 17:09.22 | famousjs | so..any other cool services out lately? |
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| 17:12.34 | famousjs | guess not heh |
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| 17:46.01 | famousjs | so..anyone hear about backtrack 3 commin out? |
| 17:49.21 | alterego | Woo, getting there! |
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| 18:19.59 | vertoo | has anyone set up their home music library to stream like internet radio? |
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| 18:20.27 | vertoo | trying to do so on my mac |
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| 18:27.20 | rhsanborn | I've tried installing some python programs and keep getting an error about distutils.core missing. Any ideas? |
| 18:27.48 | lmoura | rhsanborn, looks like you need the python-dev package |
| 18:27.54 | lmoura | is it installed? |
| 18:28.14 | rhsanborn | No, is there a python-dev package compiled for the 800? |
| 18:28.28 | pupnik | !g python-dev maemo |
| 18:28.31 | pupnik | bah |
| 18:29.37 | lmoura | rhsanborn, http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/manual_installation.html |
| 18:30.09 | rhsanborn | imoura, thanks. I'll go check that out |
| 18:30.11 | lmoura | rhsanborn, sudo /usr/sbin/gainroot |
| 18:30.24 | lmoura | rhsanborn, then apt-get install pytho2.5-dev |
| 18:32.13 | rhsanborn | Imoura, running now, thanks man. I'm trying to get a sirius inet radio script working that requires some installs. Hence my problem |
| 18:35.41 | alterego | zuh, you abouts? |
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| 18:52.28 | celesteh | hi. is there tor for maemo? |
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| 19:08.38 | alterego | WOOOO! |
| 19:10.08 | alterego | Finally _REAL_ progress ^_^ |
| 19:11.48 | alterego | I guess the biggest thing to overcome after I finish this bit is packaging Ruby+Ruby-Maemo |
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| 19:30.53 | rhsanborn | anyone know if there is an image manipulation program compiled yet? |
| 19:31.40 | rhsanborn | Would be nice to plug in my sd card from my camera and do a batch resize of my pictures for upload to an online gallery |
| 19:32.33 | vertoo | shipping a infranview client over would be prime |
| 19:34.26 | rhsanborn | imagemagick would be nice, I'm just not a dev by any means |
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| 19:35.41 | pupnik | rhsanborn: what do you mean |
| 19:35.49 | pupnik | vertoo - there are image viewers galore |
| 19:36.14 | rhsanborn | pupnik: imageviewers that can resize pictures? |
| 19:36.27 | pupnik | rhsanborn: you can try mtpaint at my site |
| 19:36.30 | pupnik | needs work though |
| 19:36.40 | pupnik | pupnik.de |
| 19:37.42 | vertoo | infranview is the most useful as it batches |
| 19:38.33 | rhsanborn | If I can ssh into my home pc (On the road for another couple months) I might try to run the compile of imagemagick on scratchbox. But I'm amateur at that kind of stuff at best |
| 19:39.01 | pupnik | if batch conversion/processing is your thing then imagemagick is the swiss army knife |
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| 19:39.43 | rhsanborn | pupnik: it's the getting it on the n800 that is the problem :P |
| 19:42.38 | vertoo | i-view is very low resource |
| 19:42.46 | pupnik | imagemagick - Unmet build dependencies: libwmf-dev (>= 0.2.7-1) liblcms1-dev libexif-dev libjasper-dev graphviz (>= 2.8) gs-gp |
| 19:42.57 | vertoo | i think it would be an easy port |
| 19:43.00 | pupnik | shouldn't be a big deal to pull that out |
| 19:43.13 | pupnik | vertoo, irfanview is available for linux/gtk2? |
| 19:44.29 | rhsanborn | I'm going to try and get to my desktop and just try a simple compile and see if its just a matter of getting the libraries and the program compiled |
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| 20:07.15 | ericz | anybody have openvpn working on a 770? |
| 20:07.56 | pupnik | ttp://board.nokia770hacks.com/How_To/How_to_Install_OpenVPN_on_Nokia_770_OS2006 |
| 20:08.00 | pupnik | +h |
| 20:08.20 | pupnik | http://www.rahkonen.org/openvpn.html |
| 20:17.08 | famousjs | wait why would you put openvpn on your cell phone? |
| 20:17.18 | famousjs | havnt been reading..sorry if i missed the reason |
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| 20:17.45 | jga23 | how do I switch my scratchbox version of python to 2.5? |
| 20:17.58 | pupnik | the n770 isn't a cell phone |
| 20:19.24 | famousjs | ohh ok |
| 20:21.26 | famousjs | i wanna see an OpenMoko |
| 20:24.16 | pupnik | yeah if i had to buy a cellphone i'd look at the FIC Neo1973 for the openmoko |
| 20:25.01 | pupnik | Epoc used to be beautifully sleek and simple. Later becoming symbian. But not symbian developers tell me it has gotten ugly :/ |
| 20:25.09 | pupnik | s/not/now/ |
| 20:35.35 | vertoo | can the n800 be a cell phone? |
| 20:36.21 | pupnik | voip |
| 20:36.26 | pupnik | skype |
| 20:36.48 | vertoo | my service uses a sim card |
| 20:37.09 | pupnik | it doesn't have a cellular receiver in it, if that's what you mean |
| 20:37.44 | pupnik | but if you're connected to the internet, you can do calls on it |
| 20:37.58 | alterego | I hear that. |
| 20:39.20 | alterego | Hildon::Program is fully ruby-inated. |
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| 20:49.56 | jga23 | how do you install a python .egg on maemo? |
| 20:52.01 | pupnik | <bad joke deleted> |
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| 21:00.20 | sbaturzio | Aloha! |
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| 21:08.13 | CountDown | How do I change the device name of the N800? I can't find it anywhere. |
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| 21:17.48 | gomiam | CountDown: that should be available at the Control Panel |
| 21:20.29 | CountDown | gomiam: I looked all around, but missed it... can you be more specific. |
| 21:21.15 | gomiam | It looks like you can change it at the Bluetooh configuration option in the Control Panel |
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| 21:21.49 | gomiam | just on top of "Connectivity" |
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| 21:22.08 | CountDown | Thanks. Strange place to put it. |
| 21:22.18 | gomiam | not so strange, if you think about it. |
| 21:22.34 | gomiam | Bluetooth is the only protocol that really needs the system to have a recognizable name |
| 21:22.53 | gomiam | (in order to set links with other Bluetooth devices) :-) |
| 21:23.21 | CountDown | Considering the wireless interface, file manager, etc use the device name as well, I'd think it would be under something more general, like About Device. |
| 21:23.41 | gomiam | the WiFi interfaces uses the device name? |
| 21:23.50 | gomiam | I thought it was always wlan0 :-)= |
| 21:24.04 | gomiam | you are right about the file manager, though. |
| 21:24.18 | CountDown | I should say the SSH server. |
| 21:24.49 | gomiam | oh, you mean the N800 host name |
| 21:25.00 | gomiam | yes, it should be somewhere else, then :-) |
| 21:25.22 | CountDown | Thanks for the help! |
| 21:25.23 | gomiam | Perhaps we should file a bug against that |
| 21:25.26 | gomiam | you are welcome. |
| 21:25.44 | CountDown | Where would a bug be filed? |
| 21:26.09 | CountDown | Ah, bugs.maemo.org |
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| 21:37.35 | seattleweb | anyone home? |
| 21:38.34 | seattleweb | anyone there...? |
| 21:41.28 | zuh | seattleweb: I'm home, but not there |
| 21:43.18 | seattleweb | right on... |
| 21:43.59 | seattleweb | so has anyone out there had success in setting up an n800 to boot from an EXTERNAL SD/MMC? |
| 21:44.01 | CountDown | gomiam: I just filed it as bug 1659. |
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| 21:46.39 | rwhitby | seattleweb: http://www.rwhitby.net/blog/n800/n800-initial-setup.html |
| 21:47.38 | seattleweb | yeah... i came across that last week... |
| 21:48.08 | rwhitby | haven't tried it on the new firmware yet |
| 21:48.31 | seattleweb | i'll give that a whirl instead of following the thread http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4053 |
| 21:48.49 | seattleweb | hmmm... i've got the new firmware.... i'll give it a try |
| 21:50.06 | seattleweb | one thing I've noticed is that /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/current/ is actually /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.18-omap1/ |
| 21:50.06 | _Monkey | Hmm. No matches for that, seattleweb. |
| 21:50.33 | seattleweb | matches for...? |
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| 22:07.02 | CountDown | I'm trying to install python package on my N800 that requires GCC to build. Where can I find GCC? |
| 22:07.51 | seattleweb | the maemo sdk i think is the only way |
| 22:08.07 | CountDown | You mean through scratchbox? |
| 22:08.14 | seattleweb | yup |
| 22:08.39 | CountDown | Hmmm... I did this a year ago and I don't think I used scratchbox. Maybe I'm remembering incorrectly. |
| 22:09.41 | CountDown | Do I just copy over the files once they've compiled, or is there a more elegant way to do it? |
| 22:11.26 | seattleweb | not entirely sure... just bought my n800 last week and havent had time yet to dive in 100% to scratchbox |
| 22:12.24 | alterego | Why don't you use the prepackaged binaries? |
| 22:15.00 | CountDown | alterego: I can't find the prepackaged binary. I'm trying to install PyUSB and it needs to build against libusb and python, both of which I already have installed. |
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| 22:17.48 | alterego | Aha |
| 22:17.58 | alterego | In which case you're going to need to use scratchbox and do it yourself. |
| 22:18.09 | alterego | You should make some precompiled packages yourself too ;) |
| 22:18.22 | alterego | But don't ask me how. I've not crossed that bridge yet ^_^ |
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| 22:23.09 | Xark | Hello. Does anybody know why there aren't native ports of binutils and gcc for the N800? It seems to have more than enough speed to make them useful. |
| 22:24.19 | CountDown | Xark: I was just asking that myself. Can we confirm that there is no GCC? |
| 22:24.26 | seattleweb | FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 22:24.36 | Xark | Well, I have gcc working, but its not a great port. |
| 22:24.44 | seattleweb | thanx rwhitby man............. |
| 22:24.52 | seattleweb | I owe you a brew |
| 22:25.18 | seattleweb | like a retard, I overlooked one important thing.... bootmenu.conf |
| 22:25.24 | seattleweb | all good now |
| 22:25.33 | CountDown | Xark: Is your GCC port available? |
| 22:25.36 | Xark | CountDown: I just installed some SDK armel packages and it mostly works (occasional internal compiler errors when using -O1 or -O2). |
| 22:25.58 | CountDown | Xark: Oh, which packages? |
| 22:26.25 | Xark | CountDown: I started with some obsolete info on a forum. If you install 3.2 libs then these instructions are OK... |
| 22:26.37 | Xark | CountDown: Let me find the link... |
| 22:26.53 | AdmFubar | quick question , how do i contact the maemo.or site maintainers? having a problem with the rss feed, keep getting the same few feed articles sent from one contributor. |
| 22:27.32 | CountDown | AdmFubar: Perhaps submit a website bug at bugs.maemo.org |
| 22:29.25 | Xark | CountDown: Look here http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=51696#post51696 |
| 22:29.59 | CountDown | Xark: Thanks. |
| 22:30.02 | AdmFubar | I'' give it a whirl...but was hoping for something a bit more direct... Thanks CD.... |
| 22:30.20 | Xark | CountDown: Now that I have an old gcc-3.4 (and g++) working I am trying to build a new "fresh" toolchain that will target armv6l. |
| 22:30.46 | seattleweb | niiice... make is compilable thereafter? |
| 22:30.48 | CountDown | AdmFubar: They're in Finland, that is direct. :) |
| 22:31.23 | Xark | CountDown: I am finding it challenging since there is little info on Maemo toolchain (everybody seems to use x86 cross compile with prebuilt compilers) |
| 22:32.00 | CountDown | Xark: Yeah... I don't know why that is. Seems like you'd want both. |
| 22:32.41 | Xark | CountDown: Also it appears the N800 binaries aren't using all the features of the newer CPU (unless I am mistaken). |
| 22:32.44 | rwhitby | seattleweb: I'll have a Coopers Pale Ale please. |
| 22:33.21 | rwhitby | Xark: look in OpenEmbedded for a built-from-source toolchain for the n800 |
| 22:33.46 | seattleweb | Countdown: are the 3.2 libs in a repository? |
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| 22:34.02 | Xark | rwhitty: Cool, I will (but I have already extensively googled). |
| 22:34.09 | seattleweb | rwhitby: done |
| 22:34.32 | CountDown | seattleweb: No idea. |
| 22:34.48 | seattleweb | i'll look around |
| 22:35.07 | Xark | CountDown: If you try to follow that forum post, one he missed downloading a package and two like I mentioned check the 3.2 repository for libs (since using older libs causes issues). |
| 22:35.37 | Xark | CountDown: aFTER A FEW TRIES i GOT ALL THE PACKAGES INSTALLING WITHOUT ANY CONFLICTS OR (SIGNIFICANT) TRICKERY. |
| 22:35.56 | CountDown | Xark: Will do. I might check out the OpenEmbedded site as well. G'luck. |
| 22:37.30 | rwhitby | Xark: http://www.openembedded.org/repo/org.openembedded.dev/conf/machine/nokia800.conf |
| 22:37.47 | Xark | rwhitty: Awesome, thanks. |
| 22:38.06 | rwhitby | dunno whether it is version compatible with the vendor libraries thouogh |
| 22:38.24 | rwhitby | ask koen in #oe about it if you have questions |
| 22:38.35 | rwhitby | (I've never used it myself) |
| 22:39.06 | rwhitby | Xark: s/tt/tb/ in my nick |
| 22:39.31 | Xark | rwhitby: Yeah, thats one of the issues I am encountering. I can build a new binutils, but its not happy with some libs (ld.do-linux IIRC). |
| 22:40.44 | Xark | rwhitby: Sorry, N800 isn't the ideal IRC platform (with crappy keyboard and squinting eyes). |
| 22:40.59 | rwhitby | Xark: np - I know the feeling. |
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| 22:41.12 | rwhitby | you can to tab completion on nicks in x-chat though |
| 22:41.16 | rwhitby | s/to/do/ |
| 22:42.08 | Xark | rwhitby: I am trying sirc (so I can screen in with ssh). Xchat is decent though... |
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| 22:47.45 | Xark | rwhitby: Hmm, so how does one use a .conf file (I am new with Debian style Linux)? Does openembedded have prebuilt packages in their repository? |
| 22:48.11 | CountDown | Xark: I have no idea. I was wondering that myself. |
| 22:49.02 | rwhitby | Xark: you will need to install and build openembedded. that is a steep learning curve in itself. See www.openembedded.org - if you are not comfortable to compiling distributions from source and using cross compilers, then best to try another avenue. There are no prebuilt packages for n800 as far as I know. |
| 22:49.32 | Xark | CountDown: Just thought I would ask first before I start digging around. I would be quite happy with just a clue about what binutils options the N800 requires. |
| 22:49.47 | Xark | rwhitby: OK. |
| 22:52.17 | Xark | So it appears that OpenEmbedded is another scratchbox-y kind of thing. |
| 22:53.42 | rwhitby | Xark: yep, but even more complicated for the first time user |
| 22:54.06 | rwhitby | (due to it's versatility and range of different platforms that it builds for) |
| 22:54.27 | rwhitby | allow at least a month before you would feel comfortable with it |
| 22:54.34 | seattleweb | sounds like fun |
| 22:54.47 | rwhitby | (and that's for an experienced developer) |
| 22:55.10 | Xark | rwhitby: I see. Still thats much for the link. At least I can probably see how they are building the toolchain (which is my current issue - as I have a compiler suitable for a bootstrap). |
| 22:55.22 | Xark | rwhitby: Er, thanks much... |
| 22:55.40 | rwhitby | Xark: make use of the people in #oe - they know lots about what toolchains are used for which devices |
| 22:55.52 | seattleweb | btw... n800 running noticable faster from sd boot partition |
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| 23:22.38 | eugene | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_easily_boot_from_mmc_card/ sounds interesting |
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| 23:24.44 | alterego | Interesting .. |
| 23:25.43 | alterego | My SDK isn't theming applications correctly. Anyone heard of this before? |
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| 23:30.07 | alterego | This is annoying. I bet my Ruby bindings actually work. I just can't test them ^_^ |
| 23:31.00 | alterego | Maybe I should re-install scratchbox or someting. |
| 23:33.38 | alterego | Maybe a restart will fix it :S |
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| 23:45.39 | alterego | Okay, I was being a giant idiot and forgot 'run-standalone.sh' ^_^ |
| 23:45.44 | alterego | Ruby-Maemo works!!! |
| 23:46.33 | alterego | I'm so happy I could cry. |
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| 23:49.38 | alterego | Bed time :) |
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